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[icy flax]

Ohh.. könnte es sein, dass es erstens die Verabschieden-Phase kommt und nur dann die Genehmigungs-Phase?

[west basin]

Das Verb pass kann einmal die Bedeutung bestehen haben, was man mit genehmigen gleichsetzen könnte, es kann aber auch verabschieden/weitergeben bedeuten, weshalb es in diesem Zusammenhang wahrscheinlich bedeuten würde, dass Gesetze abgeschafft werden und somit ungültig sind.

[delicate tiger]

wo hast du denn das her? Das ist komplett falsch

[west basin]

Was ist denn daran falsch?

[upbeat thicket]

Gesetze verabschieden heißt in der Alltagssprache, dass sie in Kraft treten

[west basin]

Gesetze verabschieden kann doch auch bedeuten, dass sie abgeschafft werden oder wie würde das heißen?

[upbeat thicket]

außer Kraft treten

ist das Gegenteil von verabschieden

also du könntest auch sagen ein Gesetz wurde beschlossen/angenommen

klingt intuitiver, ich verstehe vollkommen was du meinst😊

[west basin]

Achso, aber pass/approve ist dann also das selbe?

[upbeat thicket]

ja, würde ich zumindest so sehen - keine Garantie
pass verstehe ich als „durchgewunken“

[west basin]

Ah, ok. Das wurde mir dann anders erklärt.

Danke

[calm kernel]

Hallo. Soll man eher "Das ist Marie's Buch" oder "Das ist das Buch Marie's" sagen? Dieselbe Frage gilt auch für z.B. "Die Industrie Deutschlands" und "Deutschlands Industrie".

[delicate tiger]

first one, but no ' for genitive
"die deutsche Industrie"

[calm kernel]

aber ich glaube ich habe früher "x Deutschlands" gesehen

funktoniert's so nie?

[delicate tiger]

ja, aber nicht hier (hört sich komisch an)

[calm kernel]

okay danke

[calm kernel]

noch eine kurE Frage

kurze

Katzen Istanbuls oder umgekehrt?

[whole portal]

Spielt keine Rolle

[shut briar]

How do I say I was feeling low/down?

Deepl is saying ich war niedergeschlagen. There's ni fühlen here

Is it fine?

[wise pendant]

yes, there doesn't need to be a fühlen. Thats clear from the expression

[half lodge]

hi

can someone explain why we use einem for the Restaurant?

auf dem weg ins theater Essen wir etwas in einem Restaurant

[verbal girder]

wechselpräpositionen

[half lodge]

that doesn't explain why

[ionic knoll]

hi guys! "Der Kölner Dom ist das bekannteste Wahrzeichen von Köln." Is this sentence correct? I mean the artikel of "Wahrzeichen" is das. but in the sentence it says "bekannteste". I don't get it.

[plush pelican]

Do you know about cases in German?

einem Restaurant is dative case

This noun is in dative case because it is the object of the preposition "in", and here "in" requires that its object of the preposition be in dative case.

"in" is a Wechselpräposition, a 2-way preposition, meaning that it can require its object of the preposition to be in either dative case, or accusative case, depending on the rest of the sentence.

Most prepositions require 1 specific case always for their object of the preposition.

Here is a playlist on cases in German: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQk_EIj2hea3GbXiBdXfd3MW

[plush pelican]

Der Kölner Dom ist das bekannteste Wahrzeichen von Köln.

das große Auto
das rote Auto
das kleine Auto
das gelbe Auto
das bekannte Auto

The -e on "bekannteste" is because of adjective declension. This is what is required for a neuter noun in nominative case that comes after a definite article.

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension#Weak-declension

the -est- on "bekannteste" is because it's a superlative, the most well-known

bekannt = known
bekannter = more well-known
bekanntest = most well-known

Here is a video on comparatives/superlatives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWra2Qzch4

[half lodge]

yeah that's what I asked why it's the dative case and not akk case. from what I understand they had already eaten so it is a completed act. if they were still eating I would have to use akk case

[plush pelican]

that's not how 2-way prepositions work

2-way prepositions depend upon movement to a new location

It has nothing to do with whether the act of eating is ongoing or finished

[half lodge]

my book says otherwise

[plush pelican]

Wir essen in einem Restaurant.
Wir haben in einem Restaurant gegessen.
Wir aßen in einem Restaurant.
Wir hatten in einem Restaurant gegessen.
Wir werden in einem Restaurant essen.

[plush pelican]

Pic?

[half lodge]

it's in my native language

[plush pelican]

ah

[ionic knoll]

OMG thank you for your detailed answer

[half lodge]

maybe I am translating it wrong

oh yeah

[plush pelican]

Well, I will put it to you this way: here is a video on 2-way prepositions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auWRmuw_AcY

[half lodge]

a little correction, we use the wechspräpositionen of dativ answer the question wo, and we use akk to answer the question wohin. that's only for the cases of relations of space but there are also cases for relations in time. overall I understand now from everything you posted

[plush pelican]

yeah, "wohin" means movement to a new location, "wo" means either you are stationary or all movement is happening within a bounded area

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel. People won't realize it has been answered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort.

[brave flint]

ich habe 2 interessante Bücher gekauft

not interessanten?

[south zenith]

Interessante

[plush pelican]

https://deutschlernerblog.de/adjektivdeklination-deutsch-a1-a2/#:~:text=Die Adjektivendungen nach Zahlen sind,im Plural immer auf –en.

[brave flint]

thanks

[brave flint]

just got confused for a bit

wie ist das mit viel/viele

ich habe viele interessante /n Bücher

[plush pelican]

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension#Strong-declension

Hier steht, es sollte starke Deklination sein, also "viele interessante Bücher"

[brave flint]

okay, vielen Dank!

ich war sicher, dass ich den Satz richtig getippt habe.

beim Überprüfen habe ich gesehen dass ich ihn doch falsch geschrieben hab

aber Word hat den Satz nicht falsch markiert

deswegen war ich verwirrt

ich kann Word nicht trauen. :((

[plush pelican]

Ich weiß nicht, wie "Word" in anderen Sprachen funktioniert.

Auf Englisch muss Word Fälle und Adjektivdeklination nicht behandeln, 😅

[granite glade]

Hello i dont know how to use writing area
I should put my text in googel drive and send the link there and then someone will correct it?

[delicate tiger]

Die Grammatikprüfung ist ziemlich gut, aber nicht perfekt

[wide walrus]

'ich gebe meiner mutter das buch' (dat.)

'ich gebe der mutter das buch.) (acc.)

i know in dative case it refers to the indirect receiver of an action, but i dont get how these two sentences differ? they say the same thing (minus 'the/mine')

can someone please explain

[gusty silo]

these two sentences do not differ. meiner Mutter and der Mutter are both dative

[wide walrus]

never letting ai teach me again. i learnt my lesson

[gusty silo]

lol

indeed, don't

[vernal ermine]

Friends is there any source to study opposites in German?

[plush pelican]

YouTube videos

https://youtu.be/Q7fu71QzEhU?si=CVJPkO2FenEDBaTN

https://youtu.be/u3X3D9T_jAc?si=RhDsPkxoz5NdtmYJ

[long whale]

wiktionary also gives the antonym/s, doesn't it?

[plush pelican]

good suggestion, I hadn't thought about that

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank

[plush pelican]

https://youtu.be/HJ_wi6QBlzM?si=YGTORuGXtpnOwnh-&t=755

This guy is partially understandable to me, but then sometimes I'm just like, "I have no idea what he just said."

I think it's because of two things:

1. speed. At some points he speeds up, and it's just a bit too fast for me.
2. enunciation bzw. lack of enunciation.

The time stamp at 12:35 gives an example of this. He says "Ichhabaufjedenfadeneindruckschon" in 1 second.

What do you guys think? Is it just those 2 factors? I assume he's speaking Hochdeutsch, just a bit fast and sloppily (for me.)

[whole portal]

Roland <3

He's not a TV host or anything

He just speaks normal

He's mushing it all together obviously but that's normal

With context and all it's not particularly hard to understand but that's obviously harder if you're not a native

[plush pelican]

It's like waves. He pauses to think, and he slows his speech, and then he rushes to get the whole thought out, and then he has to pause to think again, and slows down again...

the peaks of the waves are where I have trouble

[undone verge]

yeah I'd say it's mostly speed and slight lack of enunciation when things get faster. I could understand him, but a year or two ago I might not've been able to. It'll come with time : )

[vague rain]

hallo, can someone explain to me why i say "vielen Konzerten" here? Bist du letztes Jahr zu vielen Konzerten gegangen?

[gusty silo]

what would you have expected?

without that context i can only say "because it's correct" which is of no use to you

[vague rain]

i was thinking viele konzerte

[gusty silo]

aha
zu requires the dative, which is formed with -(e)n for plurals

[vague rain]

oooh ok, thats very helpful! thank you

[gusty silo]

the only exception are those plurals that are made with -s. then you get nothing

so the dative of Handys is... still Handys

[vague rain]

ok great danke

[spring pelican]

Hello.

„Ja, ich hätte gar zu gern mit ihr getanzt“

What’s the function of “zu” here? I can’t figure it out.

[long whale]

It's just part of the (to me rather oldfashioned sounding) expression "gar zu gern"

[spring pelican]

Oh, perfect. It’s part of an expression. Thank you very much.

[gusty silo]

zu does what 'too' does in english

too is also just a respelling of to used for precisely one context, originally they are the same

[plush pelican]

How long have you been learning German?

[plush pelican]

I would've only too well liked to have danced with her?

Is that the translation?

[long whale]

To my knowledge, it's 1.4. here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/gar#2

[plush pelican]

I would've so very much liked to have danced with her?

II.2. literally has "gar zu gern" in it

[long whale]

And as far as I know, it used to be used like this in Standard German, too. It's just that it's mostly become obsolete. - Oh well, okay then. DWDS must know. 😅

I'd based my reply on the fact that a sentence like "es schmeckt gar gut" would not work these days for "it tastes so/too/really, really nice", at least not in Standard German, because it's just so very dated, but "gar so/zu gut" would, as far as I know. 🤷

[undone verge]

I've lived here for over 5 years

so that's the amount of time I've heard it very regularly

[plush pelican]

Did you only start after moving to Germany?

[long whale]

#questions message ;)

(Not so long ago, that's why I remember)

[fervent kernel]

wie

[rocky rapids]

I've just finished unit 11 (now unit 6 of section 2, damn duolingo) of the duolingo german course. Throughout, and even now, I have not been able to access the guidebook for that unit. I noticed that one of the main new things in that unit was the use of 'den'. Can someone please explain to me why and when 'den' is used, and, also, what Duolingo is trying to teach me in that unit in general? Also, of little concern, but it would be nice to know if anyone else is experiencing my problem of the guidebook of unit 11 (or, now, unit 6 of section 2) of the german course not opening, but just constantly loading (on perfect wifi and on a very fast laptop).

[plush pelican]

they're probably trying to teach you about accusative case

Check out this playlist, especially video 2: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQk_EIj2hea3GbXiBdXfd3MW

[rocky rapids]

Is not accusative case thus: Ich liebe meinen Hund?

That is my understanding, at least

[plush pelican]

sure, but you can also say, "Ich liebe den Hund", and that's also accusative

[rocky rapids]

Ok, that's interesting

The version for 'the'?

[plush pelican]

You know that every noun has a grammatical gender, yes?

[rocky rapids]

Yes. I presume that 'n' is added instead of 'r' to 'der', for masculine nouns. Hund is masculine, so, Ich liebe meinen Hund.

[plush pelican]

yeah

hold up

[rocky rapids]

Katze is feminine. Ich liebe meine Katze.

[plush pelican]

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/article-declension

[rocky rapids]

You just literally answered what I was typing. Thanks.

[plush pelican]

You also do this for possessive pronouns:

[rocky rapids]

I do not yet know of german pural nouns. Please elaborate. Thanks, by the way.

[plush pelican]

and for indefinite article "a/an"

[plush pelican]

almost any noun can be set into plural

[rocky rapids]

That is a given. But how?

[plush pelican]

They usually also change somewhat, so "der Hund" becomes "die Hunde"

It depends, every noun is individual. But what you do with the definite article or indefinite article or possessive pronoun before that stuff, is the same for all of them

every noun in plural, if you want to use a definite article with it in nominative case, you use "die"

[rocky rapids]

Ah, ok. In English, 's' is usually added, sometimes with some attachments like 'es' or such. What about german? Any standard additions for pural nouns?

[plush pelican]

der Hund, die Hunde
das Auto, die Autos
die Kuh, die Kühe

[rocky rapids]

Is it just 's' and 'e'?

[plush pelican]

German is a lot more fractured. It has multiple different ways something can get turned into plural

notice "Kuh" actually had a vowel change, "Kühe", ü

[rocky rapids]

Well, frankly, I don't know what the word means yet. I don't know of 'kuh'. Does the change in form depend on the gender?

[plush pelican]

Some nouns, especially masculine ones, won't change at all in singular or plural, and you have to use the definite article to tell the difference

der Artikel, die Artikel
(the article, the articles)

[plush pelican]

it's...complicated

the simplest way to explain it is to say: with every noun, you're supposed to learn its grammatical gender when you learn the noun

you don't learn "dog = Hund", you learn "dog = der Hund"

in addition to this, it's also recommended to learn the plural form when you learn the noun, so you learn, "dog = der Hund, plural die Hunde"

[rocky rapids]

Ok... Right. Are there any rules whatsoever to go by? And yes, the gender thing is something I am already having to cope with.

[plush pelican]

because there are a lot of different ways that nouns turn into plural

and it's basically impossible to predict this ahead of time as a learner

[rocky rapids]

Rules in terms of what the pural form is as compared to the base noun?

[plush pelican]

yes

for example

der Arzt, die Ärtze

the doctor, the doctors

[rocky rapids]

der changes to die a lot?

[plush pelican]

any time you have a plural and it's in nominative case, the article is "die"

the first one is the singular form, and the noun happens to be masculine, so "der"

[rocky rapids]

That is very nice to know. If you don't mind, please give some other examples of other rules.

[plush pelican]

die Reise, die Reisen
the journey, the journeys

das Baby, die Babys
the baby, the babies

[rocky rapids]

so is 'n' usually added to feminine nouns?

[plush pelican]

das Kind, die Kinder

the child, the children

[plush pelican]

there is no easy way to predict the plural of a noun

you basically just need to memorize it

[rocky rapids]

This is very messy. But then, it makes sense. German is to my mind a very unrefined, old version of English.

English used to have genders.

English used to be messy.

[plush pelican]

https://germanwithlaura.com/plurals/

notice it's 6 categories to cover the majority of nouns, not even all nouns

[rocky rapids]

Thanks for all these resources, by the way.

I do. Imagine if this was for the english language. We have sooooo many words!

[plush pelican]

when it says, "add -e + umlaut", that means that the vowel in the stem of the word adds an umlaut to it, so "die Kuh" the cow, "die Kühe" the cows

[rocky rapids]

Thanks. This has taken me deep here, but it is fascinsting all the same.

[plush pelican]

btw, Duolingo is bad at explaining grammar. I suggest you find something else to help you with grammar, like this youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@yourgermanteacher/playlists

They have "A1.1 Grammar, A1.2 Grammar, A2.1 Grammar" etc playlists

[rocky rapids]

One more question: do you have any really simple book recommendations? Especially those specifically designed to teach german simply?

[plush pelican]

A free textbook, you mean?

[rocky rapids]

Sure, but also narrative books. Simple ones.

[plush pelican]

Here's a free online textbook: https://wisc.pb.unizin.org/readinggerman/part/introduction/

narrative books will be hard given your lack of vocabulary

you should probably work on building your vocabulary before you try books, and when you do, try to find graded readers for A1 or A2 German

[rocky rapids]

Yes. Thankfully I managed to get my hands on a collins german/english dictionary.

[plush pelican]

I know of the series "Dino Lernt Deutsch", which is A1/A2

but given you didn't know the word for "cow", you probably lack the vocabulary right now for that

[rocky rapids]

I have heard of that too. But, whilst apparently some library (according to my public library) has copies in NZ, my country, I do not know which library that is.

Oh, was "Kuh" for "cow"?

[plush pelican]

yes

[rocky rapids]

Let me guess: "Kuh" sounds a bit like "Cow"?

[plush pelican]

yep

die Milch = milk
der Mann = man
trinken = to drink
das Brot = bread

the really fundamental words are all similar

[rocky rapids]

thought so. Do you know of anything similiar to Dino lernt Deutsch?

[plush pelican]

that's free?

[rocky rapids]

Not so much worried on that, though that is preferable. Tell me of what you know, and I'll look on the internet.

[plush pelican]

There are some YouTube videos that are both listening as well as reading graded readers.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=deutsch+lernen+durch+hören+a1

But those are again like typically A1/A2, aka probably a lot of unknown vocabulary for you right now

[rocky rapids]

Yes, likely. I couldn't even understand the A1 Nicos Weg movie. It was a good movie series though.

[plush pelican]

bro

You realize that's not a movie?

That's video clips for an online app

that's free

[rocky rapids]

They combined the clips into the full 3 movies on Youtube.

[plush pelican]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

It's put out by the German government, each section uses one of the clips

[rocky rapids]

https://youtu.be/4-eDoThe6qo?si=FWkd0GwNeBNG3ICt

[plush pelican]

There's a Nicos Weg A1 course, a Nicos Weg A2, and a Nicos Weg B1 course

[rocky rapids]

That is nearly 2 hours. I was unaware of the course until like yesterday

I do intend to do it

[plush pelican]

which I recommend, btw, it's a good course, especially considering it's free

[rocky rapids]

Yes

[plush pelican]

and no monetization bullshit with hearts

[rocky rapids]

But there you go: if you want the full thing, go on Youtube.

I agree with that. Although, let's be honest, free is better than not free.

[plush pelican]

This is free and not annoying

[rocky rapids]

I know

[plush pelican]

because the German government made it to help Syrian refugees learn German

[rocky rapids]

But, at the same, Duolingo is just something I'm using.

Very interesting. Some parallels in the movies that match that intent.

Oh well, I will go off and do some Duolingo, and then, well, why not, try that Nicos Weg course. It should be good. Thanks for your time.

[whole portal]

oh wow I didn't even know that

That's pretty cool

[vague lava]

Hi, I wonder why the suffix is -en in the phrase "allen bekannt". Does it follow some grammatical rule or is it just an idiom?

[whole portal]

[Dies ist] allen bekannt.

Dativ

[vague lava]

oh that makes much sense! thank you!!

[leaden cobalt]

where is a good place to find example sentences for anki cards?

[plain umbra]

Linguee has some nice basic sentences imo.

And wiktionary is not bad.

[leaden cobalt]

OH THANK U THOSE R SO GOO

D

[verbal girder]

Now how come Brieftasche means wallet?
Letter bag? Letter pocket? hä?

[fervent kernel]

does kommnst aus work?

[long whale]

It may come from the fact that the official documents people needed for travelling (ca. 150+ years ago) used to resemble letters, and some of them were in fact called that in German: der Schutzbrief, der Geleitbrief

[undone verge]

maybe a bit like "billfold"

or no I mean pocketbook

[verbal girder]

so the reason is ... cuz it is so?

[long whale]

Ehh - what kind of reason had you expected? puzzled

I mean if you translate "pocketbook" literally into German, what you'll get is "softcover edition" 🤷

[undone verge]

passt ein Taschenbuch in ein Pocketbook rein? 🤔

[long whale]

I think it was supposed to fit in a pocket, though. 😄

[steel patrol]

If I said „Ich kenne mich gut mit (einem Ort, z.B. Berlin) aus“, would that mean that I know Berlin really well, as in I have a lot of experience being there, navigating the streets, know where to get anything someone might need immediately etc., or does it/can it mean I just know a lot of facts about Berlin even if I don’t live there and am familiar with the general culture and etiquette there? Or both?

[long whale]

As far as I know, it's usually sich in X auskennen (especially places ~ to know your way around X). When it's about knowing how to handle/work with sth, it's usually mit: sich mit Computern/Pilzen auskennen

[delicate tiger]

know a lot of facts about Berlin
☝️

[steel patrol]

Ahhh okay, that helps. Thank you

[steel patrol]

Thanks

[hushed dawn]

Im Zusammenhang mit Richtungen , wie unterscheiden sich "gegen" und "zu"

[sage canyon]

have people around you who speak it at a fluent level and are willing to teach it to you and practice it with you

then having access to resources (Leo, dw.com, dwds.de, zdf + ard) that provide you with dictionaries, sources of reading, and sources of listening/watching things in German

[verbal girder]

i saw this verb weiterlesen and it made me wonder..
can i just attach weiter- to whatever verb as a prefix to give the sense of continuing to do the action?
or is it only with a set amount of verbs, or as long as it feels correct and makes sense to attach it then it becomes a new word?
like you guys as natives, do you feel free to attach prefixes like this one to verbs as long as it would make sense to do so or it has to be an already established word with said prefix?

[long whale]

Check >faq best way to learn in #botchannel ;)

[queen garden]

I'd say it can be added to pretty much every verb? I'm having a hard time finding a verb it can't be used with right now, but there are surely some where it wouldn't make much sense.

[verbal girder]

very appreciated

[steady urchin]

gegen is against, zu is towards, example in German "gegen den Wind laufen", and translated it is 'going against the wind', "zu meinen Freunden gehen" is 'going towards my friends', mind you these two sentences cannot stand on their own, because they're Nebensätze (subordinate clauses)

[hushed dawn]

gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen "bewerben um" und "bewerben für" ?

[long whale]

"sich um etwas bewerben" is the usual one, as far as I know. (IMO, "für" is Denglish, because of "to apply for sth")

[shut briar]

Ich will sagen, I want to have a smooth academic life

Welches Wort kann ich hier verwenden?

Glatt? Reibungslos? Oder noch was

[long whale]

reibungslos sounds good to me

[gusty silo]

you could say you want/wish "das alles glatt geht" but describing it directly as glatt sounds off

[shut briar]

Ach so, verstehe.

[lunar osprey]

what are some popular german slangs used amongst teens and/or adults ?

[plush pelican]

Look up "Jugendwort des Jahres" for some examples

[lunar osprey]

ive done that n found a few, i was hoping someone could give me some examples directly though

[rare jetty]

"Digger" - The most used word amongst youngsters. It is incredibly versatile, just google it.
"Bro"/"What the fuck"/"cringe"/"same"/"lowkey"- Same as in Englisch
"Junge" - kind of the same as "Digger"
Depending on who you talk to you might hear "mashallah" or "vallah" a lot. But these are more popular amongst foreign young people

Generally you can say that the German youth uses A LOT of English words ("Digger ich hab mich legit gestern so weggecringet weil mein Bro in Fortnite zu hart gegrindet hat" is a legit sentence)

There is a Streamer ("Papaplatte") who is well known for his youth language and especially for how he uses english words in every sentence

https://youtu.be/3OufdoNd8IY?si=5c1su-_-boI2ZCk_ Watch this for further input ("Watch this ihr werdet proud auf mich sein")

[shut briar]

bedeutsam und bedeutungsvoll, was ist der unterschied, oder sie sind gleich

[long whale]

They are synonyms, neither is very common anymore. Both have 2 meanings: 1 - wichtig, bedeutend 2 - vielsagend

[whole portal]

I am not sure if you're being ironic or not

The Jugendwort des Jahres is famous for being completely detached from reality and even making stuff up

It's not much more than a marketing gag

[plush pelican]

Oh

[whole portal]

I think they have genuinely gotten it right only 2 times so far

[plush pelican]

Is it detached, or are you just not hip with the kids? 😛

[whole portal]

Well look for yourself

[plush pelican]

What do you mean "get it right"? The words chosen aren't Jugendsprache at all?

[whole portal]

Things like this have every single person wondering who tf made this up

They also likely invented the word "Smombie"

[plush pelican]

Maybe it's a corner of the internet that you don't frequent?

[whole portal]

The words chosen are often either made up, not a youth word of the year or just not youth language at all

[plush pelican]

I encounter English Jugendwörter that I've never heard of before

[whole portal]

I think Ehrenmann and I bims got it right

Fly sein was alright as well ig

Since they changed from an internal jury to a somewhat voting based system, usually all the words that make it are actually youth words

But since its now dependent on vote count, the winning words are often not ones that are actually relevant in that year and rather just the ones that are best known, mainly because they are a lot older

Like I don't recall which year it was

But very recently, one of the options was "Digga"

That's been slang since the 80s

This year has been fine I think altho it mainly just reflects international tiktok trends

[plush pelican]

Tbf, isn't that exactly where the attention of the youth is these days?

[whole portal]

Not saying it isn't, it's just a bit less interesting than stuff like I bims that was actually German (albeit pretty cringe)

[leaden cobalt]

when making ank cards, should i make cards that are english -> german or german -> english? i cant just make my cards reversible because theres too much information on one side that would give the answer away, so if i did need to do it both ways should i just make 2 separate cards per word?
i did try to get around this by using data fields to hide information as hints but it just isnt helpful and leaves too much information per card on both sides so my anki takes forever to do (generally with verbs which have their infinitive, perfect past, imperfect past and conjugation if they're irregular, which i challenge myself to recall)

or just general german anki tips wld be nice, most videos i see abt anki r all about japanese/chinese learning which is helpful to an extent but yeah

[plush pelican]

Give an example of what info you're putting on each side currently?

They say you should do cloze deletion, aka "write a sentence that uses the word, but delete the word itself (and its article, if applicable) so that you have to fill in the blank."

https://youtu.be/z30xe_qASvs?si=yLqz0KPtpROPmuwo

[leaden cobalt]

this is a verb card for example, but other cards like nouns have the noun, its plural and the english on the other side, and adjectives just have tne english and the german

currently learning the stem changing verbs so its a crunch sometimes

[plush pelican]

Eventually you start recognizing the common patterns for verbs, which is nice

[leaden cobalt]

YEAH I FIND THT I KNOW WHEN A VERB IS LIKE. when its the plural informal you (ihr) has et instead of just t

getting a feel for that is nice

i just wanna make my cards as efficient as possible but i feel like it's just too much every time and i get behind because i feel like they're overwhelming bc i have so much 2 recall for some of them

[plush pelican]

The Goethe B1 Wortliste deck didn't usually fully conjugate a verb. It just had

spielen, spielt, hat gespielt, spielte
Infinitive, 3rd person singular present, 3rd person singular perfekt, 3rd person singular Präteritum

And then the translation of the word in English, usually multiple words.

[leaden cobalt]

i just then struggle because recalling every meaning in one card can add up sometimes bc some verbs have a lot of different meanings (and i wanted to add example sentences too) so it just feels like a lot

[plush pelican]

Example from Goethe B1

[leaden cobalt]

I SEE I SEE

[plush pelican]

What you first see vs. full reveal

[leaden cobalt]

that looks pretty good actually wat better than what i've got going

[plush pelican]

(I forgot to click to show the English translation of the sentence)

[plush pelican]

Some programmer dude made it automatically. Meaning it does have the occasional mistake, but those I just corrected myself, which was a lot less work than making it all myself

Downside is it's not necessarily the words you're currently learning

[leaden cobalt]

MAKING THE CARDS MYSELF IS BETTER 4 ME bc im learning the language 2 a set curriculum (british gcse) so figuring it out has been so much work bc not only am i trying 2 learn the language im trying 2 figure out how anki works too and how 2 best utilise it

[plush pelican]

Yeah

Well, check out that video on doing cloze deletion

That might help

[leaden cobalt]

I WILL DO!!! I'LL HAVE A NOSY

also should i make cards from english -> german too or should i just go german -> english bc again its extra work 2 make the cards work in reverse too

[whole portal]

Put your minecraft on german that'll teach you half of what you need

[verbal girder]

unfortunately minecraft doesnt have much text

[leaden cobalt]

it doesnt </3

[plush pelican]

I'd say do both, but if You're only going to do one, do German->English, to help with recognition

[leaden cobalt]

COOL COOL

[plain umbra]

For English -> German, writing practice tasks should effectively cover the same thing so feel free to try doing more writing tasks instead.

[leaden cobalt]

i ask my tutor to give me sentences to translate a lot of the time so that should cover those skills in that case, that's nice to hear, i'll make sure to find written tasks to do as well

[plain umbra]

Training German -> English is more important because you want to learn as many German words as possible. Whereas it's less important to learn a translation for every English word.

You only need to know how to translate your own thoughts into German.

[leaden cobalt]

I'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABT IT LIKE THAT BEFORE that is so true actually

[plain umbra]

You should do writing tasks where you have to come up with the sentences yourself too because it's important to know how to communicate your own unique thoughts.

[whole portal]

I think minecraft did help me with plain vocab as a child actually but my memories of how I learned english are very hazy, I know that I had no clue in elementary school and the next thing I know is being bored in Gymnasium because I already knew everything; somewhere in between there I must've advanced from broken elementary school English to fluency within just 1-2 years, learning a language as a child really is crazy.

[leaden cobalt]

i find when i go 2 the beginner german chat i can barely say how i'm doing where i can say random stuff like "the three blue cats walked between the cinema and the police station" which i was so frustrated abt but couldn't figure out what i was doing wrong so that is a helpful perspective change

[leaden cobalt]

@ this

[verbal girder]

wait how old are you? minecraft isn't that old

[whole portal]

20

[verbal girder]

oh....

[whole portal]

I got into elementary school in 2010 so gymnasium in 2014, I think I got minecraft in 2016?

[leaden cobalt]

minecraft came out in 2011 so its like 12 years old now

[whole portal]

Oh yeah no, definitely 2014 or 15

Before 1.9 came out

20.09.2015

Start of 6th grade

[plush pelican]

I played Minecraft back when it was an in-browser game 🧓

[verbal girder]

me too

[whole portal]

I had contact with the game since at least christmas 2014 that's all I know

[leaden cobalt]

ALSO 1 THING ABT MY ANKI is my organisation, i put each word type into its own smaller folder bt is it more worth it 2 just put it all into the same deck (i find tht each smaller deck has a new card limit as well which fucks up my whole new card thing sometimes) (is what i'm doing not standard) (excuse my horrendous backlog of cards)

[whole portal]

I still have that world lol it's over 2GB large because we used it as a server world for several years

But yeah realizing that was 9 years ago is making me feel weird

[wide walrus]

Ich kaufe ein Geschenk für meinen Vater. (Accusative)

Der Mann gibt dem Kind das Buch. (Dative)

How do these sentences differ so much that one is dative and the other accusative? Isnt the vater the indirect object bc hes have a present bought for him?

[verbal girder]

all prepositions go with a case or two

[charred harbor]

It’s literally just because of the “für”

Für forces accusative

[wide walrus]

OH right thank you

💜

[whole portal]

Ich kaufe meinem Vater ein Geschenk. boom Dativ

[charred harbor]

Ich singe ein Lied für dich
Ich singe dir ein Lied

[plush pelican]

@verbal girder Here's a fun sentence:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0Z5AI0ren_/

Darin sprach Eilish über den öffentlichen Druck, den sie seit ihrem ersten Hit im Alter von 13 Jahren empfinde, und sie sprach darüber, dass sie immer wieder zu ihrer Sexualität befragt worden sei.

"befragt worden sei"

If I have that properly, that's:

1. Vorgangspassiv
2. Perfekt
3. Konjunktiv 1

all at the same time

Was für ein Satz 😅

https://www.sprachlehre.de/verben/formenbildung/konjunktiv_vorgangspassiv.htm

[hardy halo]

Hello. I'm not sure which of these is grammatically correct.

1. Kira wollte ein Praktikum in einer Bank machen.
2. Kira will ein Praktikum in einer Bank machen.

I think both are correct depending on when it happened, but I'm not sure.

[plush pelican]

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-wollen.html

Präsens = present tense

Präteritum = simple past, aka past tense

oh, I circled "ich" instead of "er/sie/es", whoops. Same idea, though

[hardy halo]

But both makes sense, oder? Danke.

[plush pelican]

yes, I believe so

[verbal girder]

Wäre ich in einem guten Land und würde besser verdienen (<- *in the english sentence here earn is in the past so would have i needed to use "würde verdient haben" or something else?), vielleicht dann (or dann vielleicht?) würde es mehr Sinn machen (could've also used machte(KII) instead of würde+infinitiv?) eine solche Prüfung zu nehmen (machen?)
Intention: "If i would be in a good country and earned better maybe it would make more sense to take one of these tests. (language level exam)
What do you guys think? Thanks

[long whale]

Wäre ich in einem guten Land und würde besser verdienen (= if my situation were different now, i.e. the English past signifies subjunctive here), dann würde es vielleicht mehr Sinn machen, eine solche Prüfung abzulegen

If you were talking about a hypothetical situation in the past, the English version would be "If I had been in a good country and had earned more, it might have made sense..."

[verbal girder]

oh so no vielleicht before neither after dann in the consequence clause. would it not work at all? (would it sound not german?)
is it always and without mistake "dann, verb" in situations like these?

[long whale]

I'd definitely recommend my version if you're writing. In speaking, many (if not most) native speakers would go for: ... vielleicht würde es dann mehr....

Btw, the formal noun-verb thing for Prüfung is the one I gave you: eine Prüfung ablegen. eine Prüfung machen would also work just fine in spoken German, but nehmen just makes no sense to us.

[stark yoke]

I have a question

When do I use dir and when do I use du?

Because I can't find the difference

[long whale]

du = Nominativ; dir = Dativ

[stark yoke]

Viel danke

[long whale]

If you haven't yet learnt/heard/read anything about German cases, I'd recommend having a look at >faq cases in #botchannel

*Vielen Dank - Bitte, gern. ;)

[stark yoke]

Ohhhh entschuldingung I will

This is my first month and I'm trying to get past the first half of A1

[long whale]

I see. In that case, I'd recommend just accepting "Wie geht es dir?" as is, and trying to remember that Wie geht es du? simply doesn't work. 🧁 Dativ, i.e. the explanation for why it's dir, will come up later, you see?

[verbal girder]

damn , interesting. i had the preconception that dann must be before the verb one way or another... but in your example it's switched with another element (probably something I haven't noticed before and wouldve asked about if seen (because of this preconception))

and now ive also seen the usual expressions with Prüfung on dict.cc

well, thanks once more for all the help 🤝👍🥇

[stark yoke]

Ohh yes I've been told about wie geht es dir, that's originally why I got so confused about the difference between the two

[long whale]

Yes, I'm famous for being clairvoyant. 🔮 ;)

[long whale]

If you click on "mehr Beispiele" under 4.a) here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/dann#d-1-4 you'll see it's not all that uncommon. ;)

[verbal girder]

?
i mean in a conditional sentence , with a condition+ consequence clause

[long whale]

That is what 4.a) is all about. 🤷

[verbal girder]

what's not all that uncommon? the clause starts with dann by default

[long whale]

Yes, but there are also various examples where it doesn't. Was the point I was trying to make. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Let's say I say somewhere "somit ergeben sich die folgenden Fragen" and just under where I said that I want to refer back to these "folgende Fragen". Can I say for example: "Um den oben Erwaehnten eine Antwort geben zu können, [...]"?

[verbal girder]

now im on the pc and still not seeing it

[fervent kernel]

Do I have to capitalize the E?

What's this not-using-the-noun business called also?

[long whale]

This business is called nominalized adjectives (I'll send the link once I've found it). No, in this case, you would not have to capitalize it, since you're still talking about questions: die oben erwähnten [Fragen]. However, no, you cannot phrase it the way you suggested, since the verb is either "eine Frage (Akk) beantworten" or "auf eine Frage (Akk) antworten". And stylistically, I feel I cannot recommend dropping the noun in this particular case. ;)

Here you go: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

[fervent kernel]

Ooo, cool stuff, thanks!

[verbal girder]

could it have also been KII simple form of machen instead of würde+infinitiv in the dann clause?

[long whale]

It would be hyper-correct/pretty uncommon, i.e. you'd probably find a great many native speakers would be confused if you used "machte" there. 🤷

[verbal girder]

so correct but uncommon/makes u sound funny?

what about using the conditional with added sein/haben in the first clause (würde+pII+haben/sein); it's not fit for the register here/used for different occasions?

[vernal ermine]

Letzt Jahr bin ich mit meinem Fahrrad zum Temple gefahren. Wenn ich nach halb Stunde von dem Temple zurück bekommt , habe ich gesehen dass mein Fahrrad gestohlen war . Dann habe ich mich es bei dem Polizeit beklagt. Aber nach einem Monate, habe ich es nahe meinem Haus gefunden.

Last year I went to Temple with my bicycle. When I came back half an hour from the temple, I saw my cycle was stolen . Then I complained it to the police. But after a month, I found it near my house.

Does my monologue is correct?

[plush pelican]

"letzt" is attached to "Jahr" --> needs to be declined as an adjective.

"Temple" is the English word.

"Halb Stunde", you mean "a half-hour"? You didn't include an indefinite article, and you need to decline "eine" and "halb", keeping in mind the preposition "nach", what case that requires.

"Bekommen" = receive. You probably mean "zurückkommen"

"Monate" = plural, put it in singular.

"nahe" = try "in der Nähe von X"

[long whale]

#questions-2 message would translate to Wäre ich in einem guten Land gewesen und hätte ich besser verdient, dann hätte es ... gemacht...

[long whale]

uncommon - Yes.

[vernal ermine]

I want to tell come back / return.

I have another doubt, for -was stolen can we write hat war gestolen?

[verbal girder]

alright.... i see...

[plush pelican]

Zurückkommen

[plush pelican]

Hat war?

[vernal ermine]

Does it correct

[plush pelican]

"hat war gestolen" is not correct

1. gestohlen
2. I don't know of any time that you would use BOTH "haben" AND "sein" like that

[vernal ermine]

Then what we have to write for my cycle was stolen.

[plush pelican]

Mein Fahrrad wurde geklaut. = My bicycle was (in the sense of "became") stolen.

Here, English is confusing. We use "was" to mean both "war" and "wurde"

Er war groß.
He was tall.

Mein Fahrrad wurde geklaut.
My bicycle was stolen.

[vernal ermine]

But wurde is a separate verb( to got) and hat gestolen is also separate verb. How can we mix too verbs apart from auxiliary and model verbs?

[plush pelican]

Passive voice

Das Haus wird gebaut.
The house is being (= is becoming) built.

Das Haus wurde gebaut.
The house was built.
(The house became built.)

[long whale]

Nitpicking: was being built...

[plush pelican]

DeepL goes with just "was"?

[vernal ermine]

I didn't came across that topic but that one I know in Englisch very well
Vielen Dank ❤. I will surely ask that when I reach that point.

[plush pelican]

@vernal ermine here is a video on passive voice:

https://youtu.be/43m6-wQuaGo?si=tl9IJLGsixhQ6jnu

[long whale]

Yeah, I know it's far more idiomatic, but for a learner to become aware of the distinction between Vorgangspassiv and Zustandpassiv, I just find it's useful. That's why I said "nitpicking" 🤷

[vernal ermine]

I didn't understand what you mean by nitpicking🤔

[plush pelican]

Small corrections

[long whale]

It wasn't addressed to you. ;)

[vernal ermine]

@plush pelican Vielen Dank ❤

[mighty ocean]

" In dieser Zeit "
What does this mean ?

[whole portal]

Have you tried using a translator/dictionary?

[mighty ocean]

Yes

Used DeepL

[whole portal]

So what are you struggling with

seems pretty accurate to me

[mighty ocean]

Ye

But i saw somewhere that,it means "at that time"

I just wanted to confirm

[long whale]

As you can see in the above screenshot, there are various ways of translating it, among them "at this/that time". ;)

[mighty ocean]

oh...okay...thanks again : )

[plush pelican]

If you're distinguishing between "this" or "that", don't you use "in jener Zeit" for "at that time"?

[long whale]

"in jener Zeit" sounds positively biblical, it's that uncommon. 🤷

[plush pelican]

and then there's also like "seinerzeit"?

[plush pelican]

🤔 Does it come up more often in fantasy books? I swear I've read like "zu jener Zeit" or "in jener Zeit" or something several times before.

[long whale]

= damals

[long whale]

Ah, sure, it does come up in fairy tales.

[plush pelican]

(slightly offended) There's a difference between the Fantasy genre and Märchen

[plush pelican]

can "damals" not also = "at that time"?

[long whale]

I was wondering where you'd hit me over the head with a shovel for that. (For the record, I enjoy reading both fairy tales and fantasy books. ;))

[long whale]

Sure, any of them work once you've established what time you're talking about (the Middle Ages, your childhood - whatever).

[lunar osprey]

so essentially “Digger” is just roughly translated to “bro”

[lunar osprey]

thank you !!

[rare jetty]

More or less

[lunar osprey]

okay, thanks again

are there any abbreviations people use for really long words like kugelschreiber ?

[rare jetty]

Yes there are but they are not only used among young people. Kugelschreiber = Kulli btw

[long whale]

*Kuli ;)

[rare jetty]

whatever

[languid zinc]

Hallo, ich lerne Deutsch. Kann mir jemand den Unterschied zwischen derjenige und derselbe erklären?

[undone verge]

schick deine Fragen bitte nur in einem Kanal. Sonst ist es anderen Servermitgliedern nicht klar, ob sie schon beantwortet wurden.

[languid zinc]

ok, sorry

[plush pelican]

52k? Have you worked through the tree twice? I mean, I know they redid it after I stopped, but I was at like 25k or something when I stopped.

[verbal girder]

nope

[quartz crag]

how would one typically sign off a letter in German? (hope this is ok to ask here)

[drifting fox]

Mit Freundlichen Grüßen

[ornate coyote]

"Business casual" with "Mit freundlichen Grüßen" oder "Freundliche Grüße". You can't do anything wrong with that.

If you know each other you can use "Viele Grüße" (that's more informal). If you are friends you can use "Liebe Grüße"

[lofty marlin]

I am trying to form random sentences and practice akkusativ and here i found out something itrested.
I wanted to say Wheat is yellow and then in akkusativ.
So when I say der weizen ist gelb, akkusativ would be der gelber weizen. Thats what i thought at least, but it is der gelbe weizer. Why so?

[drifting fox]

I think Akkusativ would be "den gelben Weizen".

[ornate coyote]

"Er sah den gelben Weizen."

[lofty marlin]

Thanks

[south zenith]

der gelbe Weizen is still nominative, but the reason why its not gelber is because the definite article 'der' is before it

[plush pelican]

the verb "sein" is a copula verb. That means that both the subject and the object are talking about the same thing, and so both are in nominative case--> There is no accusative in that sentence at all.

And indeed, in the sentence "der Weizen ist gelb", there's only 1) a subject, "der Weizen", and 2) an adjective, "gelb". "gelb" here isn't declined at all (it has no case at all), because it's used predicatively--that word just means, it's on its own after "sein", it's not before the noun. "The cow is blue." Here, "blue" is an adjective used predicatively.

When you say "der gelbe Weizen", here the adjective is used attributively--that word means that the adjective is before a noun, and so it is declined, so it does have a case. But it's still in nominative case. As khrejot said, the reason why you see "gelbe" here is because it's got a definite article before it.

You might want to read up some more on adjective declension (and cases). Here is a website with some adjective declension charts: https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension

The circled thing is how "gelb" is being declined in "der gelbe Weizen".

1. The noun is masculine
2. It's in nominative case
3. Before the adjective, there is a definite article.

---

Conclusion: you add an -e to the adjective to decline it, hence "gelbe"

[charred harbor]

Interestingly a few dictionaries seem to return entries for both. Perhaps “Kulli” is a more obscure variant spelling…?

It looks weird to me too, I’m surprised some dictionaries have it listed.

[plush pelican]

Dictionaries like Duden?

I think Duden only lists "Kuli"

[charred harbor]

No, Duden doesn’t list it I don’t think.

Wiktionary has both “Kuli” and “Kulli” listed though, on the English version at least.

[plush pelican]

O'Reilly?

[charred harbor]

Yeah

[plush pelican]

The German version doesn't? https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kuli

[plush pelican]

link the English version?

[charred harbor]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kulli

[plush pelican]

Interesting, the "Kuli" article doesn't link to that or say "Kulli" at all

[long whale]

dwds gave me only Kuli 🤷

[charred harbor]

Wiktionary has “Kuli” as well under a different entry

I’m surprised the Kulli page doesn’t at least say “variant/obscure spelling” or anything

[charred harbor]

Ah, the “Kugelschreiber” page has an alternative forms section and it has Kuli listed but not Kulli, despite the Kulli page claiming Kulli is a legitimate alternate form. Wtf.

[whole portal]

I checked me and my friends

I say Kuli

Some of them say Kulli

So both seem to be in use

But yeah personally I'd consider Kuli the right one

[charred harbor]

You have friends that say Kulli? Interesting 👀

[whole portal]

I see 7 people here that I know that say Kulli

1-2 of those I'd call friends so yeah

[vernal ermine]

Is there any noun with plural only with no singular in German?

[gusty silo]

there are some, like Leute 'people', Eltern 'parents' and Geschwister 'siblings'

[vernal ermine]

Danke

[vernal ermine]

Where we can use denn bro? @gusty silo

[gusty silo]

er, depends, there are two uses
one is like weil, except you have normal word order with the verb not at the end:
Samstag schlafe ich aus, denn ich habe da keinen Unterricht 'On saturday I will sleep in/sleep for a long time, because I don't have classes then'

the other is uh difficult to explain i guess, it can be used as one of those words that simply add some sort of emphasis to a part of the sentence or give it a different tone:
Was machst du denn? 'What are you doing?' (if annoyed) / 'Ooh, what are you doing?' (if interested)
Seid ihr denn schon fertig? 'Are you already finished?'
Kannst du das denn nicht lassen? 'Can't you stop doing that?'
gives it a surprised or exasperated tone often times (except if it's like the 'ooh what are you donig?' case)

@vernal ermine

[vernal ermine]

Second case is little bit tricky and I didn't understand it.

[gusty silo]

yeah it is tricky :/

it's one of those modal particles that don't really have a particular word-for-word translation into english and serve the purpose of communicating some, hm, attitude the speaker has? i guess?

[vernal ermine]

Yeah mee too I also confused about that exact meaning .

Does denn is used like in the 2nd case often in normal daily conversation and writings bro ? @gusty silo

[gusty silo]

it's probably more common in normal conversation than writing, but yeah the modal particles are decently common

[plush pelican]

You'll need to watch a video on Modalpartikel, and even then, it may take a while to understand them.

But that's something that can wait until your German is more advanced

[plush pelican]

Are you saying Modalpartikel get used in writing? Like, formal writing? Or just like texting?

[gusty silo]

yeah you don't need to understand the modal particles to get the grammatical relations in a sentence for example

[plush pelican]

I was under the impression they were colloquial and thus not used in writing, or at least not formal writing.

[gusty silo]

well if you write a novel, they might well be there
formal writing and Sachtexte will hardly have them, of course, because those try to be as "neutral" as they can possibly be and not draw attention to the person of the author

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

[gusty silo]

they're not per se colloquial, but they are "characterful" (for lack of a better word) and few formal situations allow for that. nothing wrong with peppering your speech with them in a discussion or speech, it's good rhetoric

[gusty silo]

kein Problem 😄

halt would be a modal particle that's colloquial, it might sound a bit weird and unprofessional to use that in a tv worthy speech or discussion

but others like ja and denn are not

[plush pelican]

So some modal particles are colloquial, and some not?

[gusty silo]

yeah

[plush pelican]

Are some almost formal?

[gusty silo]

can't think of any

[vernal ermine]

I have a doubt bro if you see in german only nouns are capitalized but in Guten Tag/ Morgen/ Nacht and Liebe/ Viele Grüße and also in Vielen Dank in which Guten, Liebe, Viele are adjectives. ?

[plush pelican]

You capitalize the first word of a sentence

[vernal ermine]

Morgen -> morgens why m is small letter, does it because of change to adverb?

[plush pelican]

Ich wünsche dir einen guten Tag --> "guten" isn't capitalized

[plush pelican]

yes

"Kann ich dir helfen?"

"kann" is clearly a verb, but because it's the first word in the sentence, it's capitalized.

[vernal ermine]

Oh ok I was learning that word separately without a sentence.

[plush pelican]

"Guten Tag" is a sentence, technically

There is an omitted part "(Ich wünsche dir einen) Guten Tag!"

natives leave out the stuff in parentheses in order to make it faster to say

This is why, when someone says, "Wie geht's dir?" and you reply back, what you say is "und dir?" and not "und du?"

When you say "und dir?", that has omitted stuff: "und (wie geht's) dir?"

[vernal ermine]

But this at the end of the sentence.

[plush pelican]

?

What is your question?

[vernal ermine]

"(Ich wünsche dir einen) Guten Tag!"->Ich wünsche dir einen guten Tag

[vernal ermine]

If it is at the end, you told that it should be in small letter.

[plush pelican]

No, what I said was, "the first word in a sentence is capitalized"

When I have the parentheses, that stuff isn't said

all that is said is "Guten Tag"

and then "Guten" is the first word in the sentence, because the rest is omitted, left out

[vernal ermine]

I understand that point

[vernal ermine]

Got it now.

@plush pelican Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

1.Du musst den mobilen Gebrauch reduzieren.
2.Du musst neues Passwort setzen.
3. Du kannst neuen Laptop einkaufen.
4.Du ersetzt es mit einem neuen Akku.

Does my sentence correct?

[sage canyon]

Es fehlt ein paar Dingen in #2 und 3. Du brauchst den Artikel.

#4 ist schwierig, es gibt eine idiomatische Kombination, die immer dazu passt

Da würde ich den Satz so schreiben:

Ich ersetze den kaputte/verbrauchte (used up) Akku durch einen neuen.

noch ein bisschen doof aber, weiß ich nicht, ob man ein anderes Verb braucht

(so, basically, ersetzen works always with durch)

[vernal ermine]

Why ersetzen coming in the last.

Bitte

[charred harbor]

neues Passport
This doesn’t exist

Pass exists, Reisepass exists, neither of them are neuter

“Passport” isn’t on Duden, Passeport is and that’s not neuter either

[sage canyon]

woop. stared at the dwds article too long and my brain went doofus mode. should be correct now

[vernal ermine]

It's my mistake it is passwort.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank

[mighty ocean]

Das ist sehr von Ihnen.
How did ''Ihnen" come in the above sentence?Is that a pronomen?
Pls explain.

[plain umbra]

Looks like there is a word missing in the sentence?

But yes, it's a pronoun. It's a form of formal you (Sie).

[mighty ocean]

Aah...yes...there is a "nett" missing there...

[mighty ocean]

Ooh...okay....thanks
Could you also tell me which case would that be?

[plain umbra]

Dative. The preposition von always causes its object to be dative.

[mighty ocean]

Oh...yes...makes sense..thanks again🤝🏻

[vernal ermine]

In which context we use zahlen and bezahlen ? Bitte. Do both are same?

[fervent kernel]

Ich zahle meine Steuern - I pay my taxes ; Ich bezahle meinen Einkauf - I pay for my shopping / you use zahlen when you talk about a word that represents some amount of money (Steuern), and bezahlen about a good/performance where you have to pay or get some amount of money

[plush pelican]

By "performance", I think you mean "service". You pay for a good or service.

@vernal ermine good = an object that you buy. Fruit, light bulb, furniture, whatever.

Service = someone does work for you, and you pay them for that. For example, a plumber repairs your toilet. You pay for his service.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Do you have any sentence for both case?

[plush pelican]

Not sure, ask the native 😅

[junior dirge]

A sentence for "zahlen" and a sentence for "bezahlen"?

[vernal ermine]

Yes

[junior dirge]

"Ich werde meine Rechnung zahlen" (I will pay my bill) and "Ich werde das Abendessen bezahlen" (I will pay for dinner). "zahlen" is used when you pay something that represents an amount of money, while "bezahlen" is used when you pay for a good/service

(i fixed the grammar since I used the will-future in english, so I have to use the future in german too)

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤ very understandable

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

I have one more doubt usually in Englisch , usage of it refers to things, place, animals apart from people. But in German can we use "es" Which is it in German irrespective of gender. For example consider Pizza which is femine - Es ist sehr lecker( nominativ)
Ich kaufe es im Markt ein ( Akkusativ) . Does it is in correct usage?

[plush pelican]

When you use a pronoun to refer back to a noun that has already been mentioned, the pronoun must match the grammatical gender of the noun.

Ich liebe den Hund. Er ist sehr süß.
Die Kuh ist glücklich. Sie tanzt den ganzen Tag.
Mein Auto ist Kaputt. Ich muss es reparieren lassen.

[junior dirge]

you were faster than me xD

[plush pelican]

If you haven't mentioned the noun yet, you could use "es" or "das"...up until the noun has actually been mentioned.

Was ist das? Das ist eine Lampe. Sie ist hell.

[plush pelican]

I'm typing on computer, 😄

[vernal ermine]

I understand now better.

@plush pelican du ersetzt es mit einem neuen Akku.

What you will do for this sentence?

Here the noun comes after the pronoun in the last.

[plush pelican]

first off, the verb "ersetzen" uses the preposition "durch".

Ich ersetze es durch einen neuen Akku.

second, the pronoun in this sentence and the noun, are not the same.

I replace A with B.

A and B are not the same thing, so you don't have to match the pronoun and the noun.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[quiet geyser]

how does one say "Noway!" in german? thanks

[junior dirge]

"Noway" as in "Noway thats possible"? You could say "Niemals" (which is what you would normally hear)

[quiet geyser]

Danke

[fervent kernel]

"No way" can also mean "Nicht dein Ernst" (when you are astonished)

[leaden cobalt]

where can i find audio for german words for my anki cards

[fiery chasm]

In this sentence : Das Schwierigste ist, alles richtig zu machen. Is it necessary to use "zu"?

[plush pelican]

yes, I believe so.

Have you learned about Infinitivsätze? "zu" and "um...zu..." clauses?

Here's a video on Infinitivsätze: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNUXmcmRE6Y

Here's a video on when you can do Infinitiv without "zu": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNah77Punes

[fiery chasm]

Thank you, I will watch them :)

[hard mountain]

I have a question regarding "damit" and "weil"

Erik geht an die Uni, ..... er mehr Geld verdient.

Which one is correct, damit or weil? Here I think damit is the most suitable one, but I'm not quite sure why. Anyone can please explain to me?

[upbeat thicket]

damit shows an intention/purpose or a desired outcome of an action
weil shows reasoning on the other hand

Ich lerne Englisch, damit ich mich im Internet mit anderen Leuten unterhalten kann.
Ich lerne Englisch, weil mir Sprachen Spaß machen.

At least that‘s my understanding

Yeah

weil = because
damit = so that [intended purpose]

That would more be like

Ich habe ein Auto. Damit kann ich zur Stadt fahren.

Damit is in place of „Auto“ in that case

[hard mountain]

Nah, I think both can be placed here, either damit or weil. Both seems fine to me. But I think damit is more suitable than weil here. Is my understanding correct?

[plush pelican]

"He goes to university because he earns more money"?

If he's going to university, he's not likely earning money, or if so, only a small amount

That sentence would suggest that he is attending university because of the amount of money he is currently earning.

[upbeat thicket]

Yeah yours is the pronomial adverb use of „damit“ and @hard mountain meant the conjunction „damit“

[plush pelican]

Their sentence can also be a conjunction?

Ich habe einen PKW, damit ich zur Stadt hinfahren kann.

[upbeat thicket]

But he translated „damit“ as „with that“ which is a pronominal adverb

He just got confused, it‘s fine (:

[plush pelican]

Ach so

[upbeat thicket]

Haha! Das passiert auch den Besten

Wieso sind wir?

Nichtsdestotrotz ist dieser Kanal nur für Fragen zu Deutsch, leider nicht zum Leben.

[plush pelican]

"sollte" ist schon konjugiert. Man hat nur ein konjugiertes Verb pro Satz

Alle anderen Verben sind entweder in Infinitiv-Form oder Partizip 2.

Grammatisch gesehen? Nein

Was die Bedeutung angeht, ist es ein quasi-Passiv

Der Satz kann so gebildet werden.

Man kann den Satz so bilden.

Die Person wird in beiden Sätzen nie erwähnt. Aber der Satz mit "man" benutzt die Form eines Aktivsatzes, oder? Darum "quasi-Passiv"

Ich vermute, ich hatte mir gedacht, dass ich "kann" verwenden muss.

Im Satz gab es nur ein konjugiertes Verb, du hast nur nicht zwischen den Sätzen unterschieden 😅

Kommas helfen dabei

Bist du Muttersprachler?

Hast du die Sprache hauptsächlich durch Sprechen gelernt?

Es ist dann interessant, weil du vergisst, Kommas zu benutzen, und du "das" und "dass" verwechselt hast. So einen Fehler machen normalerweise Muttersprachler oder Menschen, die durch Sprechen gelernt haben, oder?

Je mehr Deutsch ich lerne, desto mehr stoße ich auf deutsche Wörter und Ausdrucken, die ich nicht kenne 😅

Übung macht den Meister

[desert sleet]

Hallo

Ich hab eine Frage über wie die Deutsche Sprache funktioniert

warum gibt es verben mit präpositionen die die Bedeutung des Stammwortes nicht ändert?

zum beispiel: kommen und (an)kommen

die Bedeutung ändert sich nicht

ist es wichtig dass zu wissen?

[verbal girder]

kommen and ankommen do mean different things

[desert sleet]

but they mean to arrive both (?)

[verbal girder]

kommen means to come
ankommen means what you said

[desert sleet]

sorry that I dont get it, but to arrive and to come are the same thing. If you can tell me otherwise I lll be thankful

[verbal girder]

arive implies a point where something has to come to (and to stop)

[desert sleet]

I get it, danke sehr

[whole portal]

Ich komme bei deiner Mutter and ich komme bei deiner Mutter an are very different sentences

[desert sleet]

google Überstezer übersetzt dass als sie die gleiche Bedeutung hatten, aber ich verstehe

den anderen Tag mein Lehrer hat mir den Unterschied zwischen "in" Deutschland kommen und "nach" Deutschland kommen erklärt

wenn du kommen+in benutzt bedeutet "to come" in a s*xual context. Aber kommen+nach ist als Lokale bedeutung benutzt (z.b Ich bin vor 2 Jahren nach Deutschland gekommen)

[south zenith]

ich komme in Deutschland an
ich komme nach Deutschland

[desert sleet]

wenn ich Falsch liege, korrigiere mich

[south zenith]

in etwas kommen ist nicht nur sexuell
ich komme in das Haus
ich komme in die Schweiz

[desert sleet]

er hat mir gesagt dass ich muss "nach" benutzen

[south zenith]

bei den meisten ländern ja

[desert sleet]

weil "in" falsch ist

[desert sleet]

oooh ja, ich kenne diese Regel

in der Türkei, in der Ukraine usw

[south zenith]

genau

bei den ländern die einen artikel brauchen, benutzt man noch 'in'

[desert sleet]

aber ich kann nicht "Ich komme in Spanien" sagen (?)

[desert sleet]

alles klar danke sehr

[south zenith]

stimmt, Spanien hat keinen Artikel, also 'ich komme nach Spanien'

[desert sleet]

"Ich komme in Spanien an" ist richtig? oder klingt es komisch aus?

[south zenith]

der Satz ist richtig

keine Bewegung bei 'Ankommen' also 'nach' wäre falsch

[desert sleet]

"Ich gehe nach Spanien", gibt es dann Bewegung in diesem Satz

[south zenith]

stimmt

[desert sleet]

einverstanden : )

[vernal ermine]

What article does Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and any other apps have as a noun? Bitte

[fervent kernel]

wenn someone asks ''alles wohl?'', is it ok to answer with alles wohl back?

[long whale]

I wasn't aware of the existence of this expression. The only one I know is "Alle wohlauf?" (Everybody in good health?) But if people say it this way these days, then yes, it should be fine. ;)

[long whale]

I can't think of a context where I'd use them with an article -> it doesn't matter. :)

[vernal ermine]

So can we omit articles when using it?

[trail drum]

hi

[long whale]

You simply don't need it. E.g. Bist du auf/bei Twitter? Hast du den Film auf youtube gesehen?

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Does all compounds formed by - in the middle like Facebook-Webseite have two capitals?

[acoustic breach]

Yes

[vernal ermine]

Danke schön, I see you after a long time bro. How r U?

[desert sleet]

Ist heute Feiertag in Deutschland?

[fervent kernel]

„Wie arbeitest du und gleichzeitig studierst du?“ ist dieser Satz richtig?

[subtle fox]

nein der Nächste Feiertag von dem ich weiß ist der 25. Dezember

[long whale]

No, I'm afraid not.

[fervent kernel]

Why is it not?

[long whale]

The problem is word order. Here, the "und" ought to connect 2 questions. However, "Gleichzeitig studierst du" is a main clause, not a question.

[fervent kernel]

So what would be the correct version?

[long whale]

One grammatically correct (but to me rather unidiomatic) version would be "Wie arbeitest und studierst du gleichzeitig?" I'd really prefer a different construction, though, e.g. "Wie schaffst du es, gleichzeitig zu arbeiten und zu studieren?"

[fervent kernel]

Thank you, you’re being very helpful Susana!

Now I get it

[acoustic breach]

Mir geht es gut. Ich war für eine Weil nicht auf Discord

[vernal ermine]

Okay bro 🤝

[fiery chasm]

What does the preffix "ver" mean? I really do not understand its meaning, like in this example: Verstellen und stellen

[plush pelican]

Prefixes often have multiple potential meanings, they don't always do just one thing to verbs. That would be too easy 😅

"ver" in particular has a large number of meanings, they talk about it here: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Inseparables.html

[azure glacier]

yeah german can not be easy 💀

[south zenith]

Könnte aber schwerer sein

[desert sleet]

"Das ist mir vielmals passiert" klingt gut?

[plush pelican]

Meinst du, weil Deutsch nicht Ungarisch ist? 💀

[plush pelican]

Ich glaube "mehrmals" passt besser?

[unkempt gust]

ja aber wie wäre es mit "oft" ?

[plush pelican]

Du bist der Muttersprachler 😛

Meinst du, "oft" wäre noch besser?

[unkempt gust]

ja

mehrmals is like several times but oft is often

[plush pelican]

Kommt es drauf an, wie häufig dieses Ding passiert?

"oft" = regelmäßig, oder?
"mehrmals" = mehr als ein Mal, aber vielleicht nicht regelmäßig?

[plush pelican]

Ja, was ist, wenn man "several times" meint?

[unkempt gust]

da würde ich zustimmen

[unkempt gust]

wie du es oben mit mehrmals beschrieben hast

[whole portal]

Idk I find mehrmals fine

The thing I would change is adding a schon

[barren jungle]

Hi

[vernal ermine]

Does anybody have some good source regarding the usage and difference of connectors like trotzdem, denn, weil, obwohl, deshalb, aber, dass, und and other connector? Bitte.

[night dagger]

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/sentence-structure/dependent-clauses/conjunctions

Best resource I have on that topic

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[hard mountain]

Regarding lokale Präposition

Wie sagt man, wenn man eine Insel besuchen möchte?
Man fährt nach Insel Sylt (sounds weird to me)
Welche Präposition soll ich in diesem Fall verwenden?
DiV

[upbeat thicket]

Kompliziert…

Diesen Artikel fand ich sehr hilfreich!

https://blog.leo.org/2013/09/11/die-inselfrage/

Im Beispiel von Sylt: „Ich fahre nach Sylt“ / „Ich fahre auf die Insel Sylt“

[hard mountain]

Danke sehr!

[hushed dawn]

dementsprechend vs entsprechend ??

[warped oriole]

Entsprechend dem (worum geht es)
Dementsprechend (wenn du schon weißt worum es geht.)

Ich verhalte mich entsprechend dem Gesetz.

Das Gesetz gibt Regeln vor. Dementsprechend verhalte ich mich.
(Dem(Gesetz)entsprechend)

Das ist ein Haus. Das ist sehr schön.
Du musst kein Haus mehr sagen, da schon klar ist, dass es um "Haus" geht. Daher reicht nur "das" zu sagen.

Genauso mit "Dementsprechend". Dem(was?)entsprechend ist schon bekannt aus dem vorherigen Satz.

[hushed dawn]

Alles verstanden, vielen Dank

[mellow rock]

Hallo

[coral cape]

how do you turn an aktiv sentence to passiv when there is no akkusativ object?

[steel patrol]

Just saw someone say “Mir doch Latte, wenn …” in a comment of a Facebook post. I assume “Latte” is a synonym for “egal” here? I’m trying to think if I’ve heard this before.

[gusty silo]

Kunden, die ähnliche Wörter wie Sie benutzt haben, mochten auch: das ist mir... wumpe, schnuppe, wurst, wurscht, einerlei, Jacke wie Hose, gehüpft wie gesprungen, gleich, schnurz, schnurzpiepegal

[steel patrol]

I don’t know why I always have to be so very cringe, but I just imagined myself walking into a coffee shop in Germany, saying “Hallo! Ich hätte gerne einen Kaffee”, the barista going “Welchen denn, bitte?” and going “Ehh, es ist mir Latte 🤷‍♀️”

I’ll show myself out 😐

[steel patrol]

Making a screenshot of this for sure! Thanks so much for it

[gusty silo]

:p

[whole portal]

People also commonly say gehupft instead of gehüpft

And no this isn't a dialectal thing here

Googling this it seems there's also a variant with gehopst hm

[plush pelican]

What's the background for "an den Tag legen" = to show/display/exhibit?

Literally, that's "to lay on the day"?

Mut an den Tag legen = to show courage

Duden says there's also an element of surprise to it?

[hushed dawn]

"Es ist mir vollkommen egal, wenn jemand damit aufhört, mit mir zu reden,"

ist die Verwendung von "damit" hier falsch, weil Präpositionaladverbien nicht im Zusammenhang mit Menschen erlaubt ist ?

[night dagger]

If you’re looking for etymology behind a word, you should probably google that. Dwds and wiki are also good dictionaries

[hushed dawn]

Suggest the action of laying/placing something to a day (metaphorically) --> hence showing it

[plush pelican]

Neither list an etymology, already tried, dude.

[night dagger]

„damit“ bezieht sich hier auf die Handlung des aufhörens, oder

[hushed dawn]

1- Das ist wegen dir passiert.
2- Das ist deinetwegen passiert.

jemand hat mich darüber geredet, dass Beispiel 2 grammatikalisch richtiger ist als 1 .
Was denken Sie ?

[plush pelican]

Ich glaube, Hammer's German Grammar hat etwas dazu

Moment mal

[night dagger]

wegen dir ist umgangssprachlich

sagt man ja, aber deinetwegen wäre besser

[hushed dawn]

Okey, Danke

[latent wadi]

deinetwegen @undone sparrow

[plush pelican]

Was liebl sagte

[icy flax]

Das ist mir "gehüpft" wie "gehupft"?

So wäre der Spruch?

[long whale]

My best guess: day/Tag = light/Licht -> to be laid bare, i.e. to become apparent (Does that even make sense? 🤔)

[long whale]

I just had a look at DWDS and among a lot of other things, this also comes up under "Etymologie": mhd. tagen, tegen ‘Tag werden, leuchten (wenn es Tag wird), sich zeigen Plus, there is the entry right before "etw. an den Tag bringen, legen": ⟨etw. kommt an den Tag⟩ etw. wird offenbar
Beispiel:
die Wahrheit kam an den Tag - which is intransitive (sth becomes apparent). So, you basically get the version with "bringen/legen" when you want to make it transitive (to show sth.) @plush pelican

[plush pelican]

Wait, on the entry for "Tag" or which entry?

[long whale]

Yes, the one for "Tag"

[steel bough]

Hallo

[vague rain]

hallo, is this grammartically correct?

Sicher die Kaffeemaschine super nützlich ist.

duolingo made me use a different word order so just want to be sure

which was Sicher, die Kaffeemaschine ist super nützlich

[delicate tiger]

Verb at position 2

[vague rain]

so what i first wrote is wrong?

danke 🙂

[vague rain]

ive got another question, about this

why ist it "der gelben Ente" and not "der gelbe Ente"

[charred harbor]

Dative just forces -n on adjectives for some unholy reason

Genitive too

As long as you memorise that you’re good

[vague rain]

i havent learnt genitive yet, but im confused if its dativ why is it not den gelben Enten for the first one as well?

[charred harbor]

Singular vs plural

“der gelben Ente” is singular dative
“den gelben Enten” is plural dative

[vague rain]

oh so its she is giving the yellow duck water, because she always helps the yellow ducks

ok great i got it now!

[charred harbor]

Close

[vague rain]

its not right?

[charred harbor]

Not quite

When sie means “she” the verbs use third person singular conjugation

sie gibt, sie hilft

[vague rain]

ohhh

thats silly of me

thank you for pointing out

[charred harbor]

It’d translate as “they” in this case

Both sie’s

[vague rain]

ok sure danke sehr

haben Sie eine gute Nacht 🙂

[charred harbor]

Thanks, you too ^^

[viscid gazelle]

You are overcomplicating it, just say
Nachdem ich angefangen habe, Deutsch zu lernen

[acoustic breach]

...warum beantwortest du meine Nachricht im Mai?

[south zenith]

lol

[viscid gazelle]

Ich wollte dir nur helfen

[wicked herald]

Would anyone here know much about the Goethe A1 exam?

If you have taken it and failed or passed, could you give a run down on how easy or difficult the test was on the written and oral part? What types of questions are there, what do we have to read, how does the test work, etc…

I signed up for the exam for March. When I signed up, it said I only have to do a written part and also an oral exam.

[long whale]

There are model tests on the Goethe website, there are tons of youtube vids for the speaking part, and googling things like "A1 Goethe Sprechen Themen" will render tons of results. ;)

[wicked herald]

Thank you!

It’s been hard to find videos that are actually going in depth on the exams… And I have only found a few so far that actually have recordings of the people doing the exams.

[long whale]

Yes, well, videos going in-depth on writing wouldn't be all that useful, would they? ;) Just generally googling "A1 Goethe Schreiben Beispiele" will get you lots and lots of relevant results, though. 🧁

[desert sleet]

"Es gibt kein Wind draußen." klingt gut?

[acoustic breach]

keinen Wind*

[desert sleet]

akkusativ🤦‍♀️ , danke

aber ich frage ob der Satz richtig formuliert ist

weil dir Korrektur korrigiert mich

klingt es in einer Konversation normal?

[hushed dawn]

für jmdn ein.springen = to do the work of someone ? or does it just mean to substitute someones presence ?

[steady urchin]

normalerweise sagt man "Draußen gibt es keinen Wind", aber ich glaube, "es gibt keinen Wind draußen" funktioniert auch...

[steady urchin]

it means to substitute someone's presence

[acoustic breach]

Wäre "es gibt draußen keinen Wind"?

[steady urchin]

jup

das hört sich besser an 😆

[acoustic breach]

Ich sehe kein Problem mit deinem Satz, außer dass ich "es gibt draußen keinen Wind" sagen würde

Der Satz am rechts ist fortgeschrittener, aber dein Satz ist ok

[hushed dawn]

Stellen Sie sich vor, jemand hat etwas unerwartet gemacht/verraten --> dann sagt Mann ihm "Wie konntest du nur ?"

Wäre es besser, wenn "erst" anstatt "nur" geredet wird ? Ich meine, weil es ein Überraschungselement gibt, dann ist "erst" besser als "nur" oder "bloß"

[acoustic breach]

Denk an die Kinder
"Windstill" ist ein fortgeschrittenes Wort

[steady urchin]

"nur" wird hier nicht als Adverb benutzt um etwas in minimalen Maßen zu beschreiben, aber als Ausdruck, es bedeutet "How dare you?!" (aber wie du sehen kannst, ist da kein Adverb in der englischen Übersetzung)

👀 nach weiterem Googlen sagt mir der Duden, dass es "nur" als Adverb gibt und als Partikel, was dann zum Ausdrücken vom Überraschungselement dient

[steady urchin]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/nur_denn_doch

[hushed dawn]

Danke sehr.

[desert sleet]

danke sehr

[desert sleet]

danke schön : )

[jade hawk]

Are der Ehrgeiz and die Ambition just synonyms?
And same for ehrgeizig, ambitioniert and ambitiös?

[bronze mural]

Was ist die Antwort auf Frage C

Relativsätze

[undone verge]

do you have an attempt/intuition?

[bronze mural]

Kennt jemand die Antwort?

[delicate tiger]

Ja, aber probiers erst selber

[desert sleet]

ich glaube den/der

ich bin mir nicht sicher, ich bin neugrierig auf die Antwort

[bronze mural]

Dankesehr👍

[fiery chasm]

hello, what is the difference between warten and erwarten?

[long whale]

Grammar. The verbs require different constructions: auf etwas/jdn warten vs. etwas/jdn erwarten

[long whale]

Nn... I don't think they're often used in the same kind of context. And please forget about "ambitiös" - it exists, but I don't think I've ever encountered it in the wild.

[jade hawk]

yeah I checked on duden and it had a whopping 1 (one) bar in Häufigkeit

[long whale]

Come to think of it, meaning-wise, there is also a difference: "auf jdn/etwas warten" = to wait for so/sth; "jdn/etwas erwarten" = to expect so/sth

[fiery chasm]

thank you so much @long whale

[plush pelican]

So, at the time stamp, the guy says a sentence that sounds to me like, "Alter, bist du noch ganz dicht?"

But I thought the saying was "nicht ganz dicht sein"?

Am I mishearing him, or is he saying "noch" instead of "nicht"?

https://youtu.be/3sIhWhI7sT4?si=CxPVvBnE30TkXk48&t=296

He says it again at 5:14

[long whale]

Both exist.

[plush pelican]

Wieder was gelernt

😄

DWDS lists "nicht ganz dicht sein" but nothing for "noch", zum Beispiel

[old roost]

eintreffen and ankommen. When to use them?

[wise pendant]

eintreffen - to appear at a gathering or something, where you are expected
ankommen - to arrive somewhere in general

[acoustic breach]

"ich kenne viele Sprachen"
Hat dieser Satz dieselbe Bedeutung wie "ich kann viele Sprachen"?

Oder bedeutet es nur, dass "ich" die Existenz der Sprachen kenne?

[cyan raft]

The implication is the same, but the meaning is technically different

being familiar with many languages vs having the ability to speak many languages

[neat ivy]

How can i be sure about did i commited a word to memory?

Also idk how to use “ commit to memory” in english lol

[fervent kernel]

To internalize sth ^°^

Etwas verinnerlichen

[neat ivy]

Auswendig lernen?

[fervent kernel]

That's more like memorizing sth by heart

Depends what you're trying to say but I think Auswendig lernen is the verb you're looking for

[jade hawk]

Why does Spitzname get an -n in its singular declination?

[plush pelican]

N-Declension

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/nouns/declension/n-declension

[jade hawk]

Very well

[plush pelican]

TL;DR a small set of nouns, basically entirely masculine, add -n or -en to EVERYTHING outside of nominative singular, just to be different.

This is one of like 3 times when the noun itself shows indications of the case:

1. When a masculine or neuter noun is in Genitiv, it will add an -s or -es:

Das Auto des Mannes.

2. All nouns in dative plural add an -n if possible:

Ich spiele mit den Hunden.

3. This set of masculine nouns that adds -n or -en for every case other than nominative singular.

(See the chart above for example)

A fun question is: What happens to a noun with N-Declension, that is also in Genitive case? Masculine nouns add -s in Genitiv, but N-Declension nouns add -n or -en for all cases, so how do you combine those? Do you do just the -n? Just the -s? Both?

And the answer is: It depends 🤷‍♂️ Some N-Declension nouns add just the -n of the N-Declension. Some add both the -n of the N-Declension and the -s of Genitive. There is no clear way of predicting which way works, and even natives sometimes get it mixed up.

[jade hawk]

I knew about 1) and 2), have not come across 3) yet

[plush pelican]

Examples:

"der Kandidat" becomes "des Kandidaten" (just the -en)

"der Buchstabe" becomes either "des Buchstabens" or "des Buchstaben" (although more often with the -s)

"der Glaube" becomes "des Glaubens" (the -en and the -s)

[jade hawk]

How annoying though. This really just seems lke a completely unnecessary rule, especially as you mentioned that even natives get it mixed up, but hey, you can't do anything about how the language evolved

[plush pelican]

Yeah, German is about 80% logical, 20% insanity

[jade hawk]

This one belongs to the 20%

[plush pelican]

exactly

[fervent kernel]

I still don't know why they say "Die Würde des Menschen"

[plush pelican]

Did you read what I just wrote? That's a prime example

"der Mensch" IS one of those masculine nouns with N-Declension

If you have one of these nouns with N-Declension, and it's in Genitive case, sometimes they add both the -en AND the -s, and sometimes they just add the -en.

"der Mensch" is the latter, it only adds -en, because the N-Declension stuff is overriding the Genitive stuff

[fervent kernel]

I know that but some get both the n and the s. Very cruel imo 😆

[plush pelican]

yeah, there's no real way to predict it, you just have to look it up and be very careful with N-Declension nouns

[fervent kernel]

I love how interested you are in these topics

[plush pelican]

I'm trying to become fluent 😭 You sort of have to be interested

[fervent kernel]

Ja

[upper shoal]

I feel like this sentence from an exercise is wrong, is it?
Hattest du vielleicht es im Auto gelassen?

[plush pelican]

Well, "es" and "vielleicht" should probably swap spots

"Hattest...gelassen" is Plusquamperfekt, which could be right...depending on the context

Plusquamperfekt is "past within the past", so if you did B in the past, but you did A before B, you might use Plusquamperfekt to talk about A, because it happened in the past before B happened.

Ich hatte es im Auto gelassen, bevor ich nach London gefahren bin.
I had left it in the car before I drove to London.

[upper shoal]

thanks!

[jade hawk]

This is a very good source, especially as many articles have comments from regular users using using everyday language, and should be added to the resource list

[hushed dawn]

Vermögen vs Können ?

gibt es einen Unterschied ?

[vague rain]

hallo, ich habe eine frage

i got this translation exercise on duolingo from english to german: are you looking forward to the next movie

which i translated: freust du dich auf die nächste Komödie

it was correct, but another correct solution was "Freut ihr euch auf die nächsten Komödie?"

why die nächsten Komödie in plural?

and another question, wouldnt it be "die nächsten Komödien", if it were in plural?

[silver wolf]

In the original sentence, "movie" was also singular.

"movie" -> "Komödie" or "Film"

"movies" -> "Komödien" or "Filme"

But "nächsten Komödie" is wrong

[brazen granite]

Vermögen is just for capability/being able to do something while können is very universal (just like the English can/could).
The verb vermögen is also a far more distinguished/higher level word that is way less used in everyday speech. Basically you could use können everytime you could use vermögen but not the other way around.

(and as a sidenote there is also the noun Vermögen that can also mean wealth)

[cyan raft]

quite literally "the means (with which to buy something)"

I really like it when there are conceptual translations from English to German rather than 1:1 direct translations sometimes

[hushed dawn]

Wenn ich es richtig verstanden habe, meint "Es ist zu lösen" entweder "Es muss gelöst werden" oder "Es kann gelöst werden".
Jedoch mit "Es lässt sich lösen" oder "Es ist lösbar" bezieht sich nur darauf, es lösen zu können ?

[silver wolf]

Ich denke ja

[plush pelican]

In this case, that actually works in English as well, though: He's a man of means. = He's wealthy.

[plush pelican]

Ich glaube ja

[verbal girder]

god dammit i just dont udnerstand why it is this order
to me it seems like if you put sogar first it implies that for the X number of parties i shopped for i even did it for yours
and puting it the way i did it has more the meaning of i even shopped (in anticipation of your party);
Does german sentence structure just not follow this logic?

[thorn needle]

As far as I'm concerned your solution works too

[verbal girder]

are you a native?

so what is the difference on where you put sogar here, what does it emphasize

[thorn needle]

Well, it doesn't really change the meaning. I've heard both quite a lot of times...

[verbal girder]

hmmm... does duolingo's recommended version sound more idiomatic to you, at least?

[thorn needle]

Well, idk, not really - what you said sounds a bit more intense - like you highlight the fact even more that you did the shopping, but that might just be me

[jagged goblet]

...

[verbal girder]

alright.. thank you 🤝 ✅ 🙏

[plush pelican]

Sometimes, Duolingo is just wrong 😅

As you get more and more into the course, the cracks show more and more

[verbal girder]

as you say

[raw yew]

Hey, how does one say in German: I have 2 family members

[delicate tiger]

Your version is better, the suggested one sounds like there is a second party and you shopped for both ("I shopped for my party, but I even shopped for your party too")

[warped oriole]

Ich habe zwei Familienmitglieder.

[raw yew]

Ok thanks

[verbal girder]

oh wow... thats exactly how i thought it worked? #questions-2 message

so my intuition was correct and duolingo goofed

[warped oriole]

Ich denke das wichtigste ist was du betonst, nicht wo "sogar" im Satz steht.

[serene haven]

Duolingo ist nicht immer richtig, Ich glaube

[acoustic breach]

In manchen Fällen ist die Antwort von Duolingo richtig, aber es akzeptiert keine anderen Antworten, die auch richtig sind

[lucid fable]

yeah but that's what the English implies

[charred harbor]

Not really in my opinion

[cyan raft]

2 possibilities, "I even shopped for YOUR party" or "I EVEN shopped for your party!", the first one implies more than one party being shopped for, the 2nd implies that Oskar is traditionally lazy and wouldn't typically shop for anyone's party.

but yeah, sometimes duolingo doesn't care so much about word order, sometimes they care a lot about it

[verbal girder]

wouldn't the problem be here that my answer is even more correct (per the supposed meaning from the english exercise prompt) than duolingo's proposal? Or it is not necessarily the case that my answer is the more correct one? cuz that's what i think and also hilarious present said..

[cyan raft]

the reality is, duolingo is following rules, and the rule they've set out is that adverbs immediately follow the verb, they highly rely on TeKaMoLo as their structure

[long whale]

I rather disagree. IMO, Duolingo's version is the default one. Yours is certainly also possible, though.

[verbal girder]

wow....
well then duolingo is not incorrect 🤔
and my intuition was wrong

well, thanks for your insite susanah
maybe hilarious present confused which one is more correct

[plush pelican]

How are you interpreting the English sentence, and how are you interpreting the Deutsch?

[long whale]

As: in addition to the innumerable other things I do/did for you in general, and for this party of yours in particular. - Is there any other place you could put "even" in the English sentence, btw?

[verbal girder]

the way i see it is only with regards to the party, "on top of the other things i did for your party"

[plush pelican]

I understand the English as "even" modifying "shopped", I did other things for your party, and I even shopped for it.

If I wanted to say "ich habe sogar für deine Party eingekauft", like I had shopped for multiple parties, including yours, I would say, "I shopped for your party as well!"

[verbal girder]

exactly how i see it

[hushed dawn]

"Der Film Metropolis wurde kein Erfolg."

warum "wurde" und nicht "war" ?

[tame atlas]

the verb used here is the past tense of "werden" (to become) and not "sein" (to be)

so it basically means "the movie Metropolis didn't become a success"

you could use "war" too, then the translation would just be slightly different

[hushed dawn]

thank you

noch immer vs immer noch..

noch immer = hat eine kleine Überraschung
immer noch = nur eine Fortdauer

richtig ?

[tame atlas]

ich kenne da ehrlich gesagt keinen Unterschied

ich dachte immer die sind gleich lol

Google sagt auch es ist beides gleich

nur dass "noch immer" am Satzanfang stehen kann

und "immer noch" nicht

aber "immer noch" ist das häufigste

[warped oriole]

Noch immer kann nicht am Satzanfang stehen? Hört sich für mich nicht falsch an.

[languid marsh]

Hi! How do I know whether to use etwa or über?

[tame atlas]

ich hab gesagt es kann am Satzanfang stehen

aber "immer noch" nicht

soweit ich weiß ist das der einzige Unterschied

[warped oriole]

Achso falsch gelesen. sorry

[tame atlas]

can I get some context for this?

cuz I'm not sure what you mean

[languid marsh]

Sorry for not explaining myself! I read that etwa and über can both mean “about” so i’m wondering which to use

[tame atlas]

ohh

"etwa" means "roughly"

which another word for roughly in english is about

thats where the confusion comes from lol

and "über" is like when you say "this is a book about ..."

you would say über

i think

[languid marsh]

I see! I heard someone say that etwa is used for numbers?

[tame atlas]

oh yeah it is

[tame atlas]

it's basically like ca. (circa)

[warped oriole]

etwa hat zwei Bedeutungen

1. ungefähr
2. beispielweise

[tame atlas]

^

[languid marsh]

Okay! Vielen dank 🙂

[fervent kernel]

does listening to stuff in german even when you don't really understand what is being said helpful in learning?

[tame atlas]

it could be helpful to see how much of it you do understand

and try to listen carefully and try to figure out very roughly what the conversation is about

because that's already a good start if you can find out the general topic of something just by listening

[fervent kernel]

ty

[south zenith]

IMO it can also help your intuition bc even if you don’t understand what they’re saying you hear the intonation and later when you expand your knowledge some things may come more naturally bc it feels right, after jnowing the intonation of the language

[vernal ermine]

Why is it? Pizza isst man in Italien. Why can't we use - Man isst Pizza in Italien. Bitte.

[plush pelican]

You can do either

Putting something in position 1 is called "Topikalisierung" (topicalization, making something the "topic" of the sentence). You can do it with almost any part of the sentence, except for the conjugated verb (except even that can actually get topicalized too, sort of.)

Ich habe heute wegen des sonnigen Wetters mit meinem Bruder im Park gespielt.
Heute habe ich wegen des sonnigen Wetters mit meinem Bruder im Park gespielt.
Wegen des sonnigen Wetters habe ich heute mit meinem Bruder im Park gespielt.
Mit meinem Bruder habe ich heute wegen des sonnigen Wetters im Park gespielt.
Im Park habe ich heute wegen des sonnigen Wetters mit meinem Bruder gespielt.

What you put as the topic of the sentence often is used to either:

1. refer back to something said previously

Magst du deinen Hund?
Meinen Hund mag ich sehr.

2. focus the conversation on that thing (for instance, in order to correct a false assumption):

Hast du heute mit deinem Bruder im Garten gespielt?

Im Park habe ich heute mit meinem Bruder gespielt.

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank❤

I didn't get what you told that it had exception for conjugated verbs? @plush pelican

[plush pelican]

Ah, so that's a complication

One of the strictest rules of German is the V2 rule--the conjugated verb must be in position 2 in a Hauptsatz

This means that it's one of the few things you can't move to position 1--because the conjugated verb must be in position 2