questions-2

[calm kernel]

wait

nicht essbare is together

i see thanks

[fervent kernel]

hallo

[hushed dawn]

warum ist es "eines Tages" und nicht einfach "ein Tag".
warum Genetiv so ?

[delicate tiger]

"Ein Tag geht schnell vorüber" man muss es nur zum Subjekt machen

[fervent scroll]

nominative is mostly only for the subject

letzten Monat - das ist hier Akkusativ

[plush pelican]

Well, it depends on which way you mean "one day"

the same as it depends on which way you mean "get", which could be, depending on which meaning you intend, bekommen, verstehen, kaufen, werden, etc etc etc.

"eines Tages" for "one day" means a sort of generalized, unspecified "one day", like in a fairy tale: "One day, Little Red Riding Hood was walking in the woods..."

Hammer's German Grammar 2.3.3(c) talks about this:

TL;DR you use Genitive for "expressions of indefinite or habitual time"

[hushed dawn]

Danke für die Erklärung

[whole portal]

Äh

[obtuse steppe]

This doesn't belong here, use #1025098289521119293.

[fervent kernel]

WHAT

[long whale]

Please don't shout (all caps = shouting). The #questions channels are for questions about the German language (grammar, vocab) ;)

[vernal ermine]

Fröhlichen Sonntag Freunde

[vague rain]

Hallo. can someone help me with this? I looked at faq contractions but i still dont understand this. danke

[long whale]

Maybe try looking up >faq two-way prepositions - ? And then come ask again if you still don't understand? (You're aware those are wrong, right?)

[vague rain]

yep theyre wrong i just dont know why yet 😂

[vague rain]

danke, i will 🙂

ok so i am still a bit confused ..

[proud oak]

In this case "in das Geschäft" is translated to "into the store".
But "in dem Geschäft" is translated to "in the store".
Perhaps seeing it like this will help.

[long whale]

You are clear on ins = in+das = Akkusativ

and im = in+dem = Dativ

Right?

[vague rain]

yes 🙂

[vague rain]

this does help danke.

[vague rain]

so it is just the matter of working out which case to use?

[long whale]

Yes, exactly.

[vague rain]

ok its starting to make more sense 😅

i probably will understand it better and better over time

danke schön 🙂

[vernal ermine]

Das Piknick ist von Morgen 9 Uhr bis Abend 4 Uhr.

Is this correct?

[brave flint]

do you mean 4pm or 4am?

Das Picknick ist von 9 bis 4 Uhr.

Das Picknick ist von 9 Uhr morgens bis 4 Uhr nachmittags.

[vernal ermine]

4 pm

[brave flint]

Oder:
Das Picknick ist von 9 bis 16 Uhr.

[vernal ermine]

Can I know why we use morgens instead of Morgen and nachmittags instead of Abend?

[brave flint]

when used with time, "morgens" is typically used after to specify if am

[vernal ermine]

I didn't get it.

[brave flint]

if you wanna use "Morgen" you need the preposition "am"

9 Uhr am Morgen

but that sounds weird.

better to use "morgens"

[vernal ermine]

I think morgens has another meaning as every morning?

[brave flint]

yes, it does

If you wanna say that the picnic is tomorrow, you say

Das Picknick ist morgen von 9 bis 4 Uhr.

if you wanna say 9 am, you say

Das Picknick fängt um 9 Uhr morgens an.

if you wanna say there is a picnic everymorning

a) Es gibt jeden Morgen ein Picknick im Stadtpark.
b) Es gibt morgens ein Picknick im Stadtpark.

[vernal ermine]

@brave flint Vielen Dank ❤😊

[brave flint]

bitte schön 🙂

[neat ivy]

What is the meaning of links on german tureng says links but not making a lot of sense

[long whale]

Well, a link to a website just translates to "der Link" in German (plural: die Links). However, there's also https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/links?bidir=1

[flint shale]

Hallo, I'm making Anki cards and looking for two words in German. When I'm finished in a restaurant and ask for the check, my dictionary says Rechnung, is dit correct? And the other word is for lunchroom.

[long whale]

Yes. "Die Rechnung, bitte" = "The check, please". I'm not sure what a "lunchroom" is - perhaps you could explain?

[flint shale]

maybe this is different in countries, but over here a lunchroom is a restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch, but no abendessen

[neat ivy]

Hmm at mine sheets its uses links by: links sind Angelo und Marina. Maybe its mean: on right hand angelo and marina?

[long whale]

"on the right hand" - ? Have you checked the dictionary I linked to above? ;)

[neat ivy]

Yeah

[long whale]

I guess we'd call that "[das] Café"

[long whale]

So, what made you come up with "on the right hand"?

[flint shale]

Danke sehr! 😄

[neat ivy]

There is bla bla on the right hand there is bla bla too

[long whale]

Yeah, but "links" does not mean "on the right hand/side"! Just look at the word! :D

[neat ivy]

What is the meaning of links sind angelo ond marina than?

Angelo and marina is left?

[long whale]

On the left are Angelo and Marina, yes.

[neat ivy]

İst sind means to be?

şsnt*

isnt

[long whale]

they are = sie sind

[neat ivy]

Thx

[neat ivy]

is this sentence correct?: Mein Freund lustig wie deine

How many fails is there lol

[undone verge]

what do you want to say? The sentence has no verb

[fervent kernel]

"Mein Freund ist genauso lustig wie deiner", Wolltest du sowas sagen?

[neat ivy]

Mine friend lüstig as yours

[fervent kernel]

👍

[neat ivy]

Thx

[somber aspen]

wir sind pech oder wir haben pech?

[verbal girder]

thank god for technology (atleast i do)https://www.dict.cc/?s=pech#:~:text=to be unlucky (with)

[long whale]

Please don't post the same post in more than one channel. People may not realize your question has been anwered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort. ;)

[south zenith]

Haben

[dry breach]

Was ist der unterschied zwischen erbitten und einfach bitten?

Gibts tatsächlich einen Unterschied?

[unique dune]

man erbittet etwas aber man bittet um etwas, erbitten klingt aber sehr formal

ist jetzt nicht so normaler sprachgebrauch mMn obwohl es eig das gleiche bedeutet

[dry breach]

Ganz klar, danke!

[long whale]

formal -> formell, förmlich

[charred harbor]

I thought it was Denglisch

[vernal ermine]

Guten Morgen

[hushed dawn]

"Es war alles anders als" or "Es war alles andere als" ????

[long whale]

Both work, but they mean really different things.

[hushed dawn]

Könnten Sie Beispiele schreiben bitte ?

[long whale]

1st: Everything was totally different from what I'd expected

Es war alles [ganz] anders, als ich es erwartet hatte.

2nd: It was anything but nice

Es war alles andere als schön.

i.e. = It was really horrible.

[hushed dawn]

Einverstanden , danke

[long whale]

"einverstanden" = I agree :D

[hushed dawn]

Dann alles verstanden 😂

[hushed dawn]

Könnte ich ***doch/bloß/doch nur/nur ***in Berlin wohnen !

Warum sind die fette Wörter "obligatorisch" zu schreiben?

[undone verge]

you have to have them to build this 'form' of sentence. It's part of the rules.

if you don't add them, it just sounds like a question

[hushed dawn]

Ach so,

also wenn es ein Wunsch ist, müssen wir sie addieren ? Aber wenn ein Satz ein Bedingung ist (Kon 2 satz), fällt sie aus ?

[long whale]

Yes.

[hushed dawn]

Es war nicht "für"/"zu" essen geeignet.
Welches ist richtig ?

[unique dune]

thank u for teaching me german

[long whale]

That's just what I wasn't trying to do (or I'd have pinged you). 😄 It just occurred to me learners might think German "formal" was the exact equivalent of English "formal".

[long whale]

zum Essen ;)

[unique dune]

ik i was just kidding ur just such a good teacher ur even teaching germans german (i fr forgot the word formell)

[oak wren]

zum hier Essen xd

[olive sluice]

Hi zusammen, kann ich kurz fragen, was bedeutet sich erwischen hier? Wenn mich irgendjemand mit diesem Buch in der Hand erwischt, weiß ich genau, was mir blüht.

[long whale]

It isn't a reflexive verb. The "mich" is just the Akkusativobjekt: jemanden mit/bei etwas erwischen = to catch somebody [red-handed]

[olive sluice]

Danke dir sehr! Aber was bedeutet was mir blüht in diesem Kontext～

[long whale]

Scroll down a little, you'll find it: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/blühen ;)

Please note ugs = umgangssprachlich = colloquial

[olive sluice]

thanks!!! It means probably: if someone catchs me with this book in my hand, i know it clearly, what will happen to me～

[long whale]

Yes, you got it. ;)

[olive sluice]

Thanks a lot

you are literally a excellent teacher!

[coarse briar]

1: Es ist vier uhr fünfundvierzig. Es ist drei und. 3. Es ist sechs uhr fünfzig. 4. Es ist elf uhr zwanzig. 5. Es ist acht uhr sechs.

[rain galleon]

How do I address a formal email to someone who is a woman doctor (but not a medical doctor or a professor)?

"Sehr geehrte Frau Doktor xyz"?

[long whale]

Exactly like this, yes.

[plush pelican]

Why not just "Sehr geehrte Doktorin xyz"?

[south zenith]

The female term doesn’t apply when directly addressing someone

[plush pelican]

Is this true of all titles?

Do you have to say, "Sehr geehrte Frau Bäcker xyz"?

[south zenith]

As far as I’m aware
It also goes with Frau Professor
Id that’s what you mean by it

Idk if Bäcker counts as a title

[plush pelican]

"Sehr geehrte Frau König" 🤣

Surely, this doesn't apply to everything

[south zenith]

Like in English we say dr/professor instead of Mr/mrs/ms, so its their title, we don’t use baker and most occupations as a title in the same manner

[rain galleon]

thank you for the answer

[long whale]

Let me correct myself: apparently, we're supposed to shorten it to "Sehr geehrte Frau Dr. Xyz," (but she's definitely not going to feel insulted if you spell out her titel, so...)

[rain galleon]

ok thank you I just sent the email, so hopefully I did it right lol

[brave flint]

Gehen Sie entlang der Straße.
Ist der Straße hier im Genitiv?

[plush pelican]

yes. "entlang" is interesting, it can be used either as a preposition (in which case, it requires Genitive case) OR as a postposition (in which case, it requires Accusative case).

[brave flint]

also: Ich gehe die Staße/den Fluss entlang.
aber: Ich gehe entlang der Straße/entlang des Flusses.

Gibt es andere Postpositionen?

[plush pelican]

ja

[brave flint]

Sind sie immer + Genitiv?

[plush pelican]

hier ist es Genitiv als Präposition

https://grammis.ids-mannheim.de/terminologie/505

[brave flint]

Ach, Entschuldigung

[plush pelican]

"zufolge", das erscheint sehr oft in Medienberichten/Nachrichten

Damals wünschten sich gerade mal sieben Prozent der Briten Camilla als neue Königin. Der jüngsten Umfrage zufolge hält sie mittlerweile jeder zweite Brite für eine würdige Nachfolgerin von Queen Elizabeth II.

[brave flint]

Der Umfrage zufolge

• Ist das im Dativ oder Genitiv?

[plush pelican]

Du kannst das selbst nachschlagen

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/zufolge

bei Nachstellung mit Dativ

[brave flint]

danke schön!

[neat ivy]

Can you make sentences like: Ich mache gern sport aber nicht FuBball

[charred harbor]

I’ll leave the “this is/n’t idiomatic” stuff up to natives but:
sport -> Sport
FuBball -> Fußball (B ≠ ß)

If you can't type ß for whatever reason you should always type it as ss, never B

[neat ivy]

k

[delicate sapphire]

this is a fair long shot. have fun with another oddball question of mine but i gotta try asking the germans. when i was way younger i would stay at my grandparents and they had this blanket that i have been trying to find one similear to forever now. i dont know its name just remember what it was like. it us suppper fluffy lots of air in and the like the sheet over the blanket had equaldistant dots on it that gave it a nice texture.

[obtuse steppe]

This channel is for asking questions about German. Maybe this would fit in #1033125270217048246 better? (To be completely honest, I don't think anyone there will know exactly what blanket your grandparents had either, it might not even have been a German design.)

[delicate sapphire]

true ill give culture ago thanks

[vernal ermine]

In the word Mach's gut. Why there is 's after Mach.

[unique dune]

because its a contraction
Mach es gut -> Mach‘s gut

[vernal ermine]

But for es the conjugation is Macht. Why it is Mach?

[gusty silo]

in this case es is the object, it's conjugated to the imperative

[vernal ermine]

Danke 🤝

[vernal ermine]

Freunde, I have one doubt.

Consider there are 2 persons. One is Peter and another is Julia. In English we can say Peter and Julia are pilots as English don't have gender problems. But in German , how you will say Peter und Julia sind _____( pilots)?

[charred harbor]

In German mixed groups tend to use the masculine version

So "Peter und Julia sind Piloten", I believe

[whole portal]

Berufe werden generell oft einfach in der maskulinen Version angegeben

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank ❤

[vernal ermine]

Danke 🤝

[trail goblet]

When I speak in German casually, will it necessarily make a difference if I mispronounce my cases? (As in, if I said "mein Schwester" instead of "meine Schwester" if I spoke too fast)

[undone verge]

it will make it sound like your german is worse than if you said them correctly

will germans notice? Yes, most of the time.
will it make what you said gibberish? No, not most of the time.

[trail goblet]

OK, thanks. Just wondering because I tend to stumble over my words and forget things

[undone verge]

just keep trying 😄

[long whale]

I sympathize. It happens to everybody who's learning a language. IMO, the important thing is not to stop trying to get it right. ;)

[trail goblet]

I even stumble on my English sometimes and it's my first language lmao 😅 German definitely keeps me on my toes

[sour tiger]

sie hat mir unterrichtet? oder mich

[long whale]

See where it says in the first line jdn/etwas [in etwas Dativ] unterrichten? The jdn stands for jemanden, i.e. Akkusativ: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/unterrichten ;)

[vernal ermine]

How we will tell "That is nice of you" in German?

@long whale ?

[long whale]

Please try yourself, first, or use deepl.com You can then ask whether your/deepl's version is correct/idiomatic. :)

[vernal ermine]

@long whale ?

I am asking seriously

[long whale]

I was also serious about my reply. This is not a translation service, you see?

[sour tiger]

Ohh thanks

[vernal ermine]

Das ist aber nett von dir.
Is it the correct translation for it @long whale

[sour tiger]

I usually use chatgpt

[vernal ermine]

There are many chatgpt. Which chatgypt you are using?

Is there are any German Chatgypt?

[vernal ermine]

How it can be same ? There is aber which means but?

[long whale]

faq chatgpt

[stoic mauve]

**AI-generated text**

This FAQ explains rules and advice for using text AI tools such as ChatGPT.

🔹 **Server rules regarding this topic:**

• Do not answer any questions by using AI-generated text.
• Do not ask for AI-generated text to be corrected.

🔹 **Problems with using AI for answers and corrections**

• No fact-checking: Tools like ChatGPT are very good at writing texts and often provide answers that sound good, but they are not capable of fact-checking their own answers.

• Fake information: It’s very common for these programs to make up fake or incomplete information, which is explained convincingly but is mostly wrong.

• Non-deterministic: The information is also partially randomly generated, meaning that if you ask the same question multiple times, you will usually end up with different answers.

• No language knowledge: It shouldn't be used for grammar or vocabulary questions, as it doesn't understand linguistics, nuance, or how a native speaker might actually use a given word or grammar point.

• Missing context: When correcting texts it needs to understand what the writer was trying to express. As such it may miss mistakes or correct things that don't need to be corrected.

🔹 **Reasons NOT to use generative AI for learning**

• It delays the development of important skills in language learning.
  Relying too much on AI generated texts or solutions may get in the way of learning the necessary skills of language acquisition, such as how to look up words or phrases in a dictionary, using critical thinking, or actually applying learned concepts.

• AI is not designed to guide learners.
  If you ask an AI a question, it will provide you with information, whereas if you ask a human, they will ideally ask you to show your understanding and offer advice on how to find the answer.

• AI output requires scrutiny
  AI output must be verified, but beginners to German or to language learning often lack the knowledge or experience to do so.

🔹 **Good uses of AI-generated text**

• Ask ChatGPT to come up with some story ideas that you can write about.

[vernal ermine]

I am not using ai instead I use deepl.

[long whale]

II.2. https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/aber

[vernal ermine]

What you were telling is that aber comes in the meaning of really. But in my sentence, I have not used really.

[long whale]

deepl gave you the idiomatic version, i.e. what a German would probably say where an English speaker would say "That's nice of you"

[vernal ermine]

@long whale please see above.

The problem started with Ankicards.

@long whale Can I trust and learn ankicards?

[long whale]

I wouldn't know. I only use cards I made myself. 🤷

[jade hawk]

Looks like this is an anki card set based on the Goethe wordlist, so it should be trustable

[vernal ermine]

But are you ok with the last sentence? @long whale

[jade hawk]

I always look up the phrase/word from an anki card in a dictionary, just to be sure/to look at other uses

[vernal ermine]

Who make those?

[jade hawk]

The Goethe wordlist? Whoever's working in the Goethe Institute
The Anki cardset based on it? Some random ass internet user

[vernal ermine]

Which one( dictionary) you are using to refer the phrases?

[long whale]

In spoken German, those particles/filler words frequently occur. It isn't really important whether you put it in or not.

[jade hawk]

Collins

[vernal ermine]

Mobile app or a book like dictionary?

[jade hawk]

Internet website

[vernal ermine]

I didn't know . I was trusting it as an standard phrases. ☹️ I think I learned wrongly.

[vernal ermine]

Danke for your patience🤝.

[vernal ermine]

Nice Surafd

[jade hawk]

Not sure if it's wrong. From what I understand, based on what's said here, I think aber in some contexts does not mean "but" and instead is just used a filler word which either doesn't mean anything, or changes the sentence to sound more casual or laid-back

[vernal ermine]

Vielen Dank 🤝

[hushed dawn]

Im writing a "Meinungstext" and i have a question about the following:-

Can I use "einerseits" in the beginning of one paragraph and begin with "anderseits" in the following separate paragraph ?
Or is there a better way to formulate it ?

[long whale]

Are you supposed to just explain your opinion? Or are you supposed to discuss something - Erörterung - ?

[hushed dawn]

a brief explanation of my opinion in a 3-4 lines in each paragraph.

[long whale]

In that case, you don't really need the "andererseits", do you? Here are a few suggestions for what to use: https://www.anleitung-zum-schreiben.de/meinungsrede-schreiben-muster/

@hushed dawn

[lime sigil]

I pronounce german fairly good for a beginner, but I stuggle with long words like Kraftfahrzeug-Haftpflichtversicherung, which means motor vehicle liability insurance, or Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz, which means "beef labeling monitoring task transfer act" (I dont know how 6 words fit into one, and how this is a job).

imagine telling someone what I do at my job is Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

I rarely encounter these words, but its better to know

[lusty plaza]

it is a law

[lime sigil]

oh, really

I never knew that

[lusty plaza]

yes, it is because the last word means "law" so the whole name is the name of the law

[lime sigil]

UK: I have insurance for workers!

germans: Arbeiterunfallverischerungsgesetz

UK: wat

Germans: arbeit=worker

wait

were getting off topic

my question is

how to pronounce longer german words

[lusty plaza]

maybe say the word slower

[lime sigil]

real

[tardy vault]

or say it in dif parts 🤷

[long whale]

Trust me, words like that are extremely rare in the wild. ;)

[plush pelican]

You pronounce them like the individual words that make up the compound word, don't you?

Arbeiter-Unfall-Versicherungs-Gesetz

Here, there's an S at the end of "Versicherung" to help it connect more smoothly, but other than that, it's just the words themselves

[lime sigil]

thx! I understand much better now

[south zenith]

Bewertung vs Rezension?

habe ich Recht, dass eine Rezension detallierter ist ?

[long whale]

Bewertung can be about pretty much anything, like what you thought about a hotel on tripadvisor, or the evaluation of somebody's work performance. Rezension is specifically used for (professional) reviews of books, plays, exhibitions, etc. in the media.

[south zenith]

gotcha, danke

[whole portal]

What do you mean by "like that"? Just composites of 4 or more words or ...?

[analog wharf]

Hey guys, I am doing an A1 course in German and we are going to introduce ourselves. Does this make sense or would you change anything? We need to include name, phone number, where we live and birthday month:

Hallo, Ich heiße Simon. Mein handynummer ist ********, Ich Vohn in Schweden und mein Geburstag im April

[hard jewel]

Not everything is correct

Hallo, ich heiße Simon. Meine Handynummer ist **, ich wohne in Schweden und mein Geburtstag ist im April.

I think that’s correct

[long whale]

*Meine Handynummer - otherwise, yes, that is now correct.

[hard jewel]

Ok

I forgot

But that’s not because I didn’t knew that

It’s because of my keyboard on mobile

[analog wharf]

Thanks guys, let's see if I can say it out loud today as well 👀

[vernal ermine]

Guten Tag Freunde!

[hard jewel]

Guten Tag

[hushed dawn]

Ich erwarte von dir, einen Teil der Kost/en zurückerzustatten.

"Kost" hat kein Plural, aber warum wird es als "Kosten" in diesem Fall geschrieben ?

[gusty silo]

they're not the same words
die Kosten - the costs (plural only)
die Kost - higher/formal register word for the food (singular only)

[hushed dawn]

Okey !

[long whale]

As a side note: zurückzuerstatten ;)

zurückerzustatten

[kind crystal]

Hey! Could someone help me check my translation for this text?

Das Erhabene, welches besonders das Resultat von formlosen, unbegrenzt erfahrenen Gegenständen sei und eine Vorstellung von Totalität und enormer Quantität beinhalte, ruft laut Kant Bewunderung, Achtung und Ehrfurcht hervor.

According to Kant, the sublime refers specifically to the result of formless, boundlessly experienced objects and contains a concept of totality and enormous quantity – it evokes admiration, respect, and reverence.

[gusty silo]

there's a mismatch between the two texts

i assume you're translation from german into english

besonders doesn't mean "refers specifically" but is "especially"

not a limitation of what is referred as saying that it's especially found in that context

[kind crystal]

ah

alrighty i'll change that

[long whale]

I suspect (!) it's supposed to be "[als] unbegrenzt erfahrenen Gegenständen", i.e. things experienced as boundless, but that's just a hunch, albeit a pretty strong one. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Gfh

[sour tiger]

Which one is correct?
Internet ist wie ein Fenster in der Welt.
Internet ist wie ein Fenster zur Welt

[fallen ocean]

HELOOO

I NEDD HELP

THIS IS I DONT UNDRESTAND WHT DOSENT MEANN

[unique dune]

please dont post the same message in different channels

[fallen ocean]

BEC I NEDD HELP SOORRUY

[unique dune]

you'll survive

[long whale]

If you add "Das" to "Internet", both are fine, grammarwise. But only the 2nd says what you probably want it to say: the internet is like a window to the world. I suppose you didn't want to say "The internet is like a window in the world", did you? That's what your 1st sentence means. ;)

[trail goblet]

Even if I'm only B1-ish level German, can I still tutor Key Stage 2 (age 8-11) german kids the subject English? It's something I'd like to do as work experience

as in teach them the english language

[long whale]

Sure, why not? (It might not be that easy to find an employer, but that wasn't the question, was it?)

[trail goblet]

Ja, I was talking about it with my German teacher and he said about doing a Zoom meeting once every 2 weeks, etc cuz we have a partnership school 🙃

[sour tiger]

[plush pelican]

You'll need to learn about the common issues of going German->English, whereas what you've been learning is the opposite, the issues of going from English to German.

For instance, tenses are probably going to be a big issue, knowing when to do progressive stuff.

[verbal girder]

2day i learned about another dual dictionary (someone mentioned it here): https://de.langenscheidt.com/
besides this one i currently also know (and use(at least sometimes)) the following dictionaries: dict.cc, duden,dwds,wiktionary,leo,pons,linguee,verbformen(i think this one is better than reverso?)
any other tips for good dictionaries you advanced learners and not know?

[plush pelican]

Today I learned about langenscheidt, 😄

Idk any others, other than what you listed

[neat crater]

"Wir werden euch besuchen."
"Wird sie bei uns wohnen?"
"Mutter wird für mir kochen."
Are these correct?

[proven sphinx]

für + Akkusativ

[long whale]

The last one is not. What case does "für" require?

[neat crater]

Oh uhm that's right

[proven sphinx]

So how would it be then?

[neat crater]

it's a translation task and I actually meant to write mich first, but then got confused because it's dative in Hungarian

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, exactly.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, cases aren't the same across languages, unfortunately.

[neat crater]

Yup, thanks a lot

[plush pelican]

Perhaps I'm lucky in some sense: English doesn't really have cases, so I can't get confused like this 😅

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but you had to wrap your head around the concept of cases in the first place, which can't have been easy, either.

[plush pelican]

yeah

[proven sphinx]

I mean, you guys don't even really understand the concept of grammatical gender, to be fair. 😅

[plush pelican]

yeah, cause we don't have that, either

[proven sphinx]

Old English had four cases and three genders, but over time it lost all of them.

[south zenith]

truee, but id argue more can at least grasp the concept from the little bit of spanish or french they had to take in high school

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's what I thought as well.

[plush pelican]

I took 2 years of French in highschool, and I don't think we even talked about cases, or indeed the past tense... 💀

[south zenith]

not cases, the genders i mean

[proven sphinx]

French doesn't have cases...

[plush pelican]

ah

well, then, that would explain why we didn't talk about them 😄

But seriously, it was so bad. I learned more German in 2.5 months than I learned French in 2 years

[proven sphinx]

That sounds very familiar....

To be fair, French is mandatory here and most students absolutely hate it.

[south zenith]

||its normal to hate the french||

[exotic dirge]

Absolutely

[proven sphinx]

Especially if you're neighbors with them.

[exotic dirge]

Took spanish and I´m rather happy that I did

[proven sphinx]

Unfortunately, you can't choose between French and Spanish here in Switzerland. French is mandatory, either way.

[south zenith]

oh you mean neighbor neighbor

[exotic dirge]

Ah damn, I´m from Germany and if you go to the right school u can even take chinese xD

[proven sphinx]

That would also apply to Germany...

[exotic dirge]

ye

[south zenith]

sorry i meant french speaking people, since switzerland also has a french speaking population

[exotic dirge]

Germany does too actually

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's literally the reason why it's mandatory here.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but I'm sure it's not 23% of the population. LOL.

[exotic dirge]

Roundabout 18% of the population can somewhat understand and speak French

*german population

[proven sphinx]

That's pretty impressive, actually. It's far higher than I was expecting.

Well, 23% of the Swiss population are native French speakers, so it's quite a bit different.

[exotic dirge]

More and more people are doing Abitur here and for that u need a second foreign language and u most likely can take spanish or french

[proven sphinx]

I don't actually know how many Swiss Germans can speak French, though.

[exotic dirge]

Dayum thats a lot

[proven sphinx]

Probably around 25%? Even that's pretty generous. It's probably much lower than that.

[exotic dirge]

Thats fr a lot

Didnt expect that tbh

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's the second most spoken language in Switzerland.

[exotic dirge]

Not english?

[proven sphinx]

Well, no one speaks English natively here except for a few expats and immigrants.

[exotic dirge]

ah natively

[proven sphinx]

I was talking about native speakers, but I guess a fair amount of Swiss people overall speak French, I suppose.

Maybe if you count everyone with at least some basic knowledge of English, it may be more than French speakers overall.

Probably around 60% or so?

[exotic dirge]

In germany the amount of people who can speak english is about 80% I would say

Just most pensioners cant and they only make a cut of 22% or so

[proven sphinx]

That seems like a very high amount. Maybe a bit too high? What about all those older people from former East Germany who didn't learn English in school?

[exotic dirge]

Yeah when I think about it maybe like 60%

I mean kids cant and most elderly neither

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I think that's more realistic.

[exotic dirge]

True

[proven sphinx]

80% seems more like Denmark numbers or something.

Apparently, it's close to 90% in The Netherlands somehow.

[exotic dirge]

lol

thats huge

[south zenith]

why even learn dutch at that point smh

[proven sphinx]

It's a bit outdated, but still.

[south zenith]

surprised by swedens number tbh, didnt expect it that high

[exotic dirge]

apparently about 69 million people in germany can speak and understand english or somewhat and that about 60.72%

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's a very similar percentage in Switzerland, apparently.

[exotic dirge]

It´s a official language there so I´m not really surprised

[proven sphinx]

No, it isn't...

[exotic dirge]

*official

[plush pelican]

Their language isn't big enough to dub everything, so a lot of American tv shows are simply played in English, with Swedish subtitles. So Swedish kids learn English watching television and YouTube and stuff

[exotic dirge]

Nevermind its not

Im trippin

[exotic dirge]

Ah, that explains it

[proven sphinx]

Only in the UK, Ireland and Malta is English an official language, though the Maltese aren't native speakers, either.

In Europe, I mean.

[exotic dirge]

Oh I thought it was in the nothern European countrys too, but well nvm

[proven sphinx]

No, but they speak English extremely well anyway.

[exotic dirge]

They still do learn it from an early age

[exotic dirge]

yeah

[proven sphinx]

Not dubbing movies also helps.

[exotic dirge]

Lol

[proven sphinx]

They only dub children's shows/movies.

[delicate sapphire]

just had a though does german also have that whole strong vs weak statments that english has when your writing acdemically

[gusty silo]

what are the strong and weak statements in academic writing? i've not heard of this (but perhaps i just don't recognise your phrasing)

[delicate sapphire]

ehhh mmm gimme a second

think thats the word but let me double check o wait its active vs passive

[gusty silo]

people's opinions on active versus passive are a case of much ado about nothing from what i gather

occasionally muddled by people thinking some things are and some things aren't passives when it is not so, simply because of how it comes across, rather than for grammatical reasons

for what it's worth i think as much as certain institutions advise people to not use passives, actual academic writing seems to not have heard of this because many authors in academia seem to do their darndest to get rid of themselves as actual figures in the paper (be that through using "we" even when it's a single author or, quite commonly, a million passives)

i do imagine the same opinions either in favour of personal or in favour of impersonal writing will crop up in German writing too, even if maybe there's a bit less of a deal made about this(?)

[long whale]

You're quite likely right. Still, I do think German tends to use Vorgangspassiv (that's the one with "werden", KingOfNova) a lot less than English.

[gusty silo]

that seems plausible indeed

if nothing else german probably uses fewer genuine passives because we can do basically the same with using "man" as the subject, rather than getting rid of a subject

[delicate sapphire]

nifty thanks for the answere anothere one of my questiosn

i guess tangently releted follow up question is there a style of writing that is normal in a formal setting?

[long whale]

I... guess so. Just like in English, right?

[plush pelican]

This is taken from a German server, they were talking about how right-wing demonstrators have experience avoiding getting their stuff banned by avoiding the strafbare statements and such.

Bei Demos kriegen die das leider recht gut hin, doch
Hast natürlich immer deine Handvoll Trottel dies nicht hinkriegen aber da schauen die Cops dann gerne woanders hin

Is "dies" supposed to be, "die es"? Is this a common misspelling when writing casually? Or is this even a misspelling at all, or just a very very umgangssprachliche way to write it, like writing "gonna" instead of "going to"?

[long whale]

You're right. Should be "die's", and yes, I think spelling it without the apostrophe is very common on the internet.

[hushed dawn]

"Besuch auch unsere bunte Welt der Dinos oder die Piratenwelt, ____ außer Piraten auch schlangen, Krokodile, Affen, und andere Tierfiguren zum Einsatz kommen."

Warum wird "wobei" als falsche Antwort betrachtet ? Nur "wo" war akzeptabel

[undone verge]

'wo' refers to the place, the 'bunte Welt'

wobei means something different and doesn't make sense there

[sour tiger]

Ich habe eine gute Laune tagsüber / oder während des Tages

[long whale]

I'd use the 1st. If you're basically trying to say this changes in the evening, I'd pull it forward (and no article): Tagsüber habe ich eine gute Laune ;)

[sour tiger]

Thank you so much

[plush pelican]

Danke!

[jade hawk]

When saying something like "You'll get better" or "You'll become more confident" or something akin to that, am I supposed to just use werden two times? Doesn't it sound a bit weird? Du wirst besser werden. Du wirst selbstbewusster werden

[lusty plaza]

it is grammatically right and for germans it sounds normal

[jade hawk]

Very well

[tacit bramble]

kann mir jemand eine frage beantworten?

gibt es vielleicht eine Möglichkeit die " Native speaker " rolle schneller zu bekommen?

[long whale]

Only the mods can confer it, and good luck on rushing them. ;)

[tacit bramble]

kann ich nicht einfach sowas wie nen einbürgerungstest machen

[long whale]

You'll have to do a bit of writing, anyway, yes. 🧁

[tacit bramble]

also über dich oder ein mod, sodass ich die rolle (schneller) bekomme

[long whale]

I'm not a mod. 🤷

Why is it so important to you to get the role so very quickly? If I may ask? @tacit bramble

[tacit bramble]

wollte nur fragen

hab lust mit deutschen über politik zu reden

Normal

Und auf der suche nach einem server auf dem das eventuell geht habe ich euren gefunden

[lusty plaza]

dann musst du aber in #1025098221653073940 schreiben

[long whale]

So? Once you're in VC, everybody's going to know you're a native speaker: 🤷

[tacit bramble]

aber ich kann ja nicht ohne rolle in ein VC oder?

[long whale]

Sure. Didn't you read #get-roles ?

[tacit bramble]

geht ja nicht ohne rolle

[tacit bramble]

Doch

[lusty plaza]

du kannst selbst einstellen, dass du in diesen Kanal kommst

[tacit bramble]

soweit ich verstanden habe muss ich nur lange genug deutsch schreiben

[tacit bramble]

Wie?

[lusty plaza]

id:customize

[undone verge]

just wait 15 minutes dude

easy as

[tacit bramble]

oke

Wollte ja nur fragen

kein stress

[undone verge]

alles gut!

[long whale]

@calm kernel You can just DM me, you know. 😄

[neat crater]

Does 'also' also take inverted word order like 'so'?

[south zenith]

are you asking does 'also' take first position?

''also habe ich das gemacht'' (correct) vs ''also ich habe das gemacht'' (incorrect)

if so, then the answer is yes

[neat crater]

uh I think so

thanks

[neat crater]

What's the correct word order here: "Ich werde auf den Computer Sachen machen."?

[novel tangle]

i will do stuff on my computer

[neat crater]

I'm asking whether the word order is correct, not its meaning

[novel tangle]

oh okay

yeah its correct

[neat crater]

Thanks

[novel tangle]

but use dem instead of den

[neat crater]

Why?

[novel tangle]

u used the wrong case

[neat crater]

Does auf take dative or?

[novel tangle]

i dont know how to explain that in english bro but trust me

[south zenith]

auf can take either depending on the situation

[novel tangle]

you just have to use dem instead of den

[modern night]

"ich werde an dem Computer Sachen machen"

[neat crater]

it's not about trust, it doesn't even matter if I get it wrong, I need the reason so I can learn

[south zenith]

wechselpräpositionen

[jade hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381911915095654401/1155829262167842836/2b2a48720b8a1b0af61b67b16bde3c45.jpg?ex=653659e2&is=6523e4e2&hm=fe278d0759925b4b76293468f8bfade222b364a3821158df3133268d96935659&

[novel tangle]

yes okay no problem but the word order was good

[neat crater]

That seems useful, I'll save it

[novel tangle]

thats very useful

[obtuse steppe]

The mods pinned one in #questions;
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/339907286048964619/eDSIrIY.png?ex=6539a054&is=65272b54&hm=f13b0aa6e3f15c1edbb56452125f715a2138545ad69d2afd5aedf3f74bc86892&

[jade hawk]

ya

[brave flint]

wo steht entlang?

[long whale]

It doesn't fit in there, because it works in a different way. entlang der Straße -> preposition + Genitiv vs. die Straße entlang -> postposition + Akkusativ

[brave flint]

danke! ♥️

[sour tiger]

Can we use während when comparing two things like in English we say living alone can bring... While living with family can bring...

[long whale]

Sure!

[sour tiger]

we also use the genetiv in that case? 👀

[long whale]

No, no, you're using it as a (subordinating) conjunction -> case doesn't come into it.

Ich esse gern Pizza, während meine Freundin lieber Lasagne isst.

[sour tiger]

Ohh got it got it

Thank youuu 🥰

[hushed dawn]

Ihr müsst nur zwischen 18 und 29 Jahre alt sein.

wird "sollt" stattdessen müsst in diesem Fall falsch sein ? Erklären Sie bitte, wenn es ja ist.

[long whale]

*Wäre "sollt" in diesem Fall falsch? Erklären Sie es mir bitte, wenn es so ja ist.

"sollt" doesn't work. "solltet" would work, though.

[hushed dawn]

Warum ist es so ?

[long whale]

"sollen" in indicative: someone in authority said this!

Now, you can be as much in command as you want to, you cannot oblige me to be a certain age - is the best explanation I can come with, I'm afraid.

[hushed dawn]

Ohh !! Ich dachte, dass "sollt" höflicher ist als "müsst"

[hushed dawn]

Aber ja, es ist jetzt klar. Danke

[mortal notch]

"Es hat relativ wenig Nähr.....t - it has relatively less nutritional value" what word did I write in my notes beginning with Nähr

[gusty silo]

Wert

Nährwert

that's the value part (nähren - 'to feed', that's the nutrition part)

[long whale]

... and if you'd just looked up "value" in the dictionary, you'd have got there as well. ;)

[mortal notch]

Ok danke

Ich schreibe sehr schlecht

(meine Handschrift)

[gusty silo]

😆 tja ja, kommt vor

geht mir oft nicht anders

(oder ging, kA, hat sich etwas gebessert)

[raw merlin]

how do i breathe air

[gusty silo]

Do us a favour and stick to the sort of questions outlined in the channel-description rather than this

[fervent kernel]

Könnte jemand mir bitte erklären, was die Unterschiede zwischen diesen Sätzen sind?

1. wenn wir nur nicht dorthin fahren müssten
2. wenn wir nur nicht dorthin fahren mussten
3. wenn wir nur nicht dorthin hätten fahren müssen

Zusätzlich, was für Grammatik ist die Nummer 3? Es ist tatsächlich ein Nebensatz. Allerdings sieht mir die Wörterordnung falsch aus. Sollte es nicht so sein?
"wenn wir nur nicht dorthin fahren müssen hätten"

[long whale]

1 means to wish for something unreal (present/future) 3 is what's called 3rd conditional in English (hypothetical past) 2 is... weird. For 3, Argus just answered this, wait, I'll find it for you: #1162551041888370738 message Hope this helps?

[gusty silo]

i feel like 2 is either ungrammatical or unparseable, but i'm unsure which

maybe i'm overstating the case but it feels malformed

i assume the intended meaning is equivalent to the not highly elegant Wenn wir nur nicht dorthin fahren gemusst hätten

(unsure if that's grammatically proper but it atleast is easily parseable for me)

hm maybe i should engage both the thinky bit in my head and the looky bits in it too and come to the conclusion it is equivalent to the infact fine option 3

[fervent kernel]

Ok, I was mostly confused with 1 and 2, because 2 was one of the results of DeepL. About the number 3, it sounds really unusual to me (because of the grammar I've learnt). Well, I guess, there's nothing to do about it, but just get used to it 😄

Thanks

[long whale]

Yes, I'm afraid that's "because of the grammar you've learnt so far" Argus explained it extremely well in the thread I linked to - I'd really recommend you read all of it. ;)

[fervent kernel]

I've just read it 😉 Thank you

[hushed dawn]

"Würden wir darüber gewusst, konnten wir die Zeit sparren."

Give es etwas falsches ?

[delicate tiger]

"Hätten wir das gewusst, hätten wir Zeit sparen können"

[hushed dawn]

how to say in german "to deal with a company" in the sense of to pay to them to work/do something.

[delicate tiger]

"jemanden beauftragen"?

[hushed dawn]

Benutzt man den Begriff "gebrochen" in Bezug auf Tischtennis Ball ?

[long whale]

*Tischtennisball (in German, you can't put 2 nouns next to one another, you have to at least hyphenate them) - I wouldn't. If it's in pieces, it would be "zerbrochen".

[calm kernel]

omg im back#

after being banned

i missed it here

[jade hawk]

Do I need to use dative for the phrase "to be sure"?
"Ich bin mir sicher, dass..."
I'm getting mixed result with DeepL and different dictionaries, some are saying that the dative sich is needed, some are saying its not

A while ago I saw a distinction somewhere on the internet that specified that "sicher sich sein" meant "to be sure", while just "sicher sein" meant to be safe

[long whale]

It's optional in "I'm sure"

Other native speakers may disagree with me, but I wouldn't say "Du bist sicher" to mean "You're safe", I'd say "Du bist in Sicherheit"

[jade hawk]

What about this phrase

[long whale]

Yes, that's perfectly idiomatic. Nirgends ist man vor ihm sicher! (You aren't safe from him anywhere!)

[jade hawk]

Alright thanks

[hushed dawn]

"Hätten die Betroffenen in kälterer Umgebung gelebt, wären manche Fälle verhindert worden."

Is it correct ?

[long whale]

Not quite. kälter- is missing the correct ending (no article at all -> different ending) And in the 2nd part, the conjugated verb is not in accordance with the subject (which is plural).

[hushed dawn]

jetzt ?

[long whale]

👍

[pure walrus]

does this sentence make sense: Ein täglich die Zeitung lesender Mensch

[lunar void]

as an answer to a question or as a first part of a sentence, yes

[upbeat thicket]

grammatically correct although it sounds quite stiff - you might try saying "ein täglicher Zeitungsleser"

[pure walrus]

thank you all

[pure walrus]

That was example from book. I asked because i have never seen or heard this before

[fervent kernel]

could osomeone explain me how to do 2,6,7,8

can't seem to figure out

[long whale]

Perhaps a stupid question, but have you looked up the words in a dictionary, and if so, in which?

[fervent kernel]

leo

[long whale]

Hmm... Perhaps have a look at this page here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/anführen

Tell me if that helps, okay?

Because I can't quite figure out how to help you to do this (except just by giving you the answers, which doesn't seem a very constructive kind of help).

I mean, it's basically a vocabulary exercise: either you know the words and which other words they go with (and they should all have come up in the book before) - or you don't. 🤔

[fervent kernel]

ill check it out

[long whale]

For 6, 2 of them should have come up in this particular form in the dictionary, while 1 of them didn't - that's the one which doesn't fit.

[opaque heron]

Hallo! Is picobello a German word? Is it used in daily life?

[gusty silo]

picobello means very proper, very clean

it's decently common i guess

like it's definitely not obscure

there are a few more weird pseudo-borrowings from romance languages like italian or spanish in informal german

[opaque heron]

wow, that is really interesting, danke!

[gusty silo]

if you speak spanish (no reason to think you in particular do), try not to think about it too much when germans say "mit Karacho" for example

(yes that is theoretically the spanish word it sounds like, but germans simply mean "with full force/lots of speed" with that phrase)

[opaque heron]

Interesting, thank you!

[sleek lily]

Hi, I hope everybody's doing grand. I was wondering if someone could help me by explaining the following sentence:

"Da ermöglicht durch dieses vorgängige phänomenale Bewusstsein von der Einheit des eigenen Selbst, liegt Wissen von der Welt für Jacobi in der organischen Natur des Menschen begründet"

I'm trying to render it into English but I'm not sure how it should be translated. So I thought I'd ask. It's from a formal text.

[gusty silo]

Da in this usage means "because"

whether that's the best english translation or not

It's from a formal text.
indeed it is, as evidenced by its language

like, well, the da

:p

you could translate the da as "As it is bla bla bla by bla bla bla, knowledge of the world for Jacobi lies in yadda yadda"

[sleek lily]

Thanks.

I think the "Da ermörglicht ..." sort of confused me. So I guess it could be rendered as "As it is facilitated ..."

[gusty silo]

completely understandable, what the german there is doing is that an "ist" is dropped

"Da X ermöglicht ist"

normally i'd also expect the ermöglicht to still be on the other side of the whole rest of that clause, but i assume for clarity-to-one-type-of-reader, clarity to another type has been sacrificed

[sleek lily]

True

@gusty silo Danke vielmals für deine Hilfe 🙂

[gusty silo]

kein Problem!

[hushed dawn]

"Was gibt es da Schöneres als sich ein erfrischendes Eis zu gönnen."

Why is "Schöneres" capitalized ?

[undone verge]

it is a nominalised adjective, since it is a noun here, it is capitalised

[hushed dawn]

In Bezug auf einen Beschwerdetext. Ist solcher Satz richtig zu schreiben ?

" ...... , daher ließ sich die unterhaltsame Möglichkeit nicht erleben" ?

[upbeat thicket]

grammatically speaking it is correct although it sounds a bit stiff because of the use of passive form - so rather phrase it with active : " ... , daher konnte ich / konnten wir die unterhaltsame Möglichkeit nicht erleben. "

[shut briar]

Does Entwurf come from entwerfen? That would imply that Entwurf is meant to be entwerfen

[whole portal]

entworfen* on the last one

But yes they're related

[shut briar]

Wow that's cool though, has so much more meaning in it

[calm kernel]

Can I use hierher in these contexts? :
"Gehen Sie hierher." "Kommen Sie hierher" etc

oder reicht hier?

[long whale]

No, "hier" alone doesn't work. However, except in certain dialects, Gehen Sie hierher doesn't work, since it kind of contradicts itself: "Gehen Sie!" can be used on its own to mean "Go away! Leave!", while "her" = towards the speaker.

-> For "Come here!", "Kommen Sie her!" is enough, you don't need the "hier", provided the person you're addressing knows where you, the speaker, are. ;)

[calm kernel]

Okay, danke für die umfangsreiche Klärung

[long whale]

*umfangreich- (no -s-)

You'd use Erklärung here. "Klärung" (clarification) doesn't really work with detailed/long/umfangreich ;)

@calm kernel

[whole portal]

umfangreiche Klärung is what they do in a sewage treatment plant

[calm kernel]

i was gonna say erklaerung, and changed it the last secon

d

sometimes u gotta go with ur first answer for real

[obtuse steppe]

If I recall correctly I already recommended you simply use a translator like DeepL earlier, if you have questions about why something is translated like it is, then feel free to ask them.

[unkempt gust]

you can say: "Wie geht es Ihnen?"; (formal)
"Wie geht´s?" / "Wie geht es dir?"; (informal)

[obtuse steppe]

I'm very sorry if that's how I came across, it wasn't what I meant. I'm just trying to say it saves time if you just use a translator.

[unkempt gust]

Are there any translators that give you multiple, different translations?

[obtuse steppe]

Yes, DeepL gives multiple options.

They also have the option to check individual words' translations and definitions.

[opaque heron]

Hallo! Why is "Bayern" plural here? 🤔

[gusty silo]

the people, not the Land

ein Bayer, mehrere Bayern

[opaque heron]

Oh, thank you!

[flint shale]

Weird question probably but how do people 'meet' for the voice channels? For example, I'm at A1, how do I find others at this level to talk/chat with? I don't think we have level tags do we? Thats where the colors come in Martian duhhh 😄

[upbeat thicket]

#1158705189100982352

[flint shale]

Danke sehr

[vague rain]

Hallo! I have a question about this phrase:
Die Temperaturen waren hoch, mir war immer heiß.

first why do i use "mir" here, and second could i instead use "ich?"

[upbeat thicket]

Mir ist heiß -> I feel hot
Ich bin heiß -> I am hot (attractive)

[vague rain]

ok perfect thank you 🙂

[upbeat thicket]

subtle but significant detail 🙂

[vague rain]

definitely, could you also explain to me why i use mir instead of mich?

[gusty silo]

dative is used for feelings oftentimes

[vague rain]

ok sure. first time im encountering this so its good to know 🙂

[gusty silo]

it's not endlessly productive (you can't apply this to all constructions involving feelings), but it's rather common

Mir is kalt, warm, heiß, schlecht, übel, unwohl dabei...

[upbeat thicket]

Mir ist (es) x -> Es is the hidden subject here similar as in "It is raining" in English where the "it" also is no real object but a mere grammatical construction

[gusty silo]

also in other constructions like "Mir gefällt das" or "Mir ist nach Eiscreme"

[gusty silo]

which resemble spanish "me gusta" if you are familiar with that

you have come to the right place

we may have an answer

[upbeat thicket]

we probably have an answer

xD

[gusty silo]

zwei Dumme, ein Gedanke

[upbeat thicket]

uhm

i saw that

[gusty silo]

ah yes, what a useless question

thank you

well goodbye

[upbeat thicket]

[gusty silo]

that was quick

😹

[vague rain]

sorry guys i have another question ... i am currently practicing talking about the past and i cant really seem to get this

[gusty silo]

sure go ahead

aha

which auxiliary to use, a relatively complex thing at the beginning

[vague rain]

auxiliary 😳

[gusty silo]

auxiliary verb = helping verb

the role sein and haben play here :P

[vague rain]

ok 😅

yep

[gusty silo]

Hilfsverb in german

[upbeat thicket]

if you have verbs that are for movement or changing of a state then you'd use "sein", else "haben"

[vague rain]

ok i see, same in my native tongue

[vague rain]

ok only that?

[gusty silo]

if you want the thing in Fachchinesisch (jargonese), this is what the Duden says in its big grammar

[upbeat thicket]

so schwimmen is a verb that indicates movement -> "sein"
machen is a verb that doesn't fit in that category -> "haben"

[upbeat thicket]

that would make me quit learning german

[vague rain]

what is this 😭

[gusty silo]

i'm only really posting it for the many verbs that are given as examples

[plush pelican]

There are some exceptions, but that's a sort of general rule that's right most of the time.

If you want to be sure, check the verb online somewhere, for example: https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-schwimmen.html

Note: most verbs use "haben", verbs using "sein" are a minority.

[gusty silo]

what Lena says is what you should focus on. just think of that and check the dictionary

[vague rain]

ok understood.

ok um.

i found this on the dictionary ive been using

is this wrong then?

[gusty silo]

there is infact a note about this in the duden grammar

but you will by and large not hear this

[vague rain]

sorry what is duden?

[gusty silo]

a dictionary

the main one in german speaking countries

[vague rain]

ok i see

[upbeat thicket]

THE go to dictionary

[gusty silo]

for the record the note is that with a few verbs of movement, the choice can vary depending on a certain aspect of the movement, but with schwimmen (and one or two others) speakers nevertheless still prefer sein despite that

so encountering schwimmen with haben needs you to encounter an exception without encountering the exception to the exception

so uh yeah no :p

[vague rain]

jeez.

maybe for now itll just be sein for me 😂

[gusty silo]

language is a fractally complex thing if you really look at it. luckily, we usually don't need to

it is really need only be sein for you, yep

[upbeat thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/mandelbrot-set-gif-25738870

[vague rain]

great thank you 🙂 very helpful

ill get back to learning !!!

[final pond]

Yeah bro

Good luck with your "verbs of movement"

Ich bin geblieben

Just learn an auxiliary verb for every verb

[queen horizon]

hi

[verbal girder]

best one is goethe institut's Onleihe

[tranquil flower]

https://www.projekt-gutenberg.org/info/texte/allworka.html

[vernal ermine]

Guten Morgen Freunde!

In the phrase -- ein stück Kuchen. Why there is no declension in stück. Does stück act as an adjective.

[verbal girder]

there's no "stück"

[median briar]

actually, "Stück" is still a noun in this context.

just like when saying "a piece of cake". the word "piece" doesnt turn into an adjective either.

the difference is, that "ein Stück" would be the subject, and "Kuchen" would be the object, if that helps.

[jovial hedge]

i love adjectives and their endings

[vernal ermine]

I didn't understand your point.

[median briar]

the difference between "ein Stück" and "Kuchen". Because in your example, both are nouns

[verbal girder]

you wrote the sentence wrong

[vernal ermine]

I was meaning a piece of cake.

Please give me a piece of cake.

[median briar]

yes. piece is a noun, and cake is also a noun. thats what I meant

[vernal ermine]

How you will tell it in German.?

[median briar]

you'd either translate it literally (Bitte gib mir ein Stück Kuchen.), or youd ask "may I have a piece of cake" (darf ich ein Stück Kuchen haben)

[vernal ermine]

What case is followed here?

[median briar]

both are fine

personally, Id use the second one though

[charred harbor]

"ein Stück" would be the subject, and "Kuchen" would be the object,
I don't think this is correct

[median briar]

please elaborate. If I made a mistake, it would be beneficial to be corrected

[charred harbor]

In this sentence the subject would be “ich”

In those sentences, sorry

No I’m misreading

The sentence with ich xD

“Ein Stück Kuchen” may as well be one giant noun, anyway, and the case it would be depends on context.

[median briar]

you are correct, however, the example provided was not a complete sentence, it was "ein Stück Kuchen". in that case, the subject would be "ein Stück". in a full sentence, both would be the object

"ein Stück" and "Kuchen" that is

[verbal girder]

its basically just how you express a piece of cake in german

[jovial hedge]

,Kuchstück'

there

[verbal girder]

please..

[median briar]

actually, it would be "Kuchenstück", but yes, you can put it in a single word

[verbal girder]

still it's zwei Stück Kuchen

[median briar]

zwei Stücke Kuchen

[verbal girder]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[jovial hedge]

,ein Stück der Kuchen' ?

fancy genitive action

[median briar]

"ein Stück des Kuchen(s)" is genitive

[jovial hedge]

Kuchen can be plural tho right

so it would have a ,der' article and wouldn't have an ,s' added

[median briar]

oh, if you meant one piece of multiple cakes, you are correct

[charred harbor]

The -s thing is for singular, typically

Not for plural

[jovial hedge]

feminine also, right ?

[charred harbor]

Mostly masculine

[jovial hedge]

no i mean feminine wouldnt have the s

[charred harbor]

singular genitive -> "des Kuchens"
plural genitive -> "der Kuchen"

Ah yeah feminine usually doesn't

[jovial hedge]

i was taught that only masculine and neutered have the ,s' and ,des' article

[charred harbor]

Ah yeah sorry, you're right

Masculine and neuter

[jovial hedge]

youre right too !

[charred harbor]

des Kind(e)s
des Tier(e)s

😄

[verbal girder]

i don't know ...

[median briar]

if the meaning is two pieces of cake, you have to use the plural of piece (Stück), so pieces (Stücke).

[verbal girder]

according to my book it stays singular

[jovial hedge]

bitte gib mir zwei Kuchenstücke 🙂

[median briar]

actually, both of you are kinda right, I was wrong

It is Kuchenstücke

but "zwei Stück Kuchen" is also correct

honestly, I should have known better, with german being my mother tongue and all

[jovial hedge]

i get english wrong all the time too

[charred harbor]

drei Dutzend Eier
zwei Paar Schuhe```

[jovial hedge]

ohh yeah that does make sense

ich stimme zu

[charred harbor]

I think the "zwei Stück Kuchen" version is more common

[median briar]

yeah, usually you would use that. for example, when my grandma used to call us to eat cake, she'd say "Jeder bekommt zwei Stück Kuchen"(everyone gets two pieces of cake). I just thought it was colloquial.

[charred harbor]

Nice grandma 😆

[vernal ermine]

I want to know whether ein is based on gender of Kuchen or Stück? in this sentence.

[long whale]

Stück

die Torte -> Ich möchte ein Stück Torte

[vernal ermine]

Why it is so? Normally the noun in the last decides the gender of article.

[long whale]

#questions-2 message

What you said applies to compound nouns (still neuter in this case): ein Kuchenstück, ein Tortenstück

[vernal ermine]

What type of noun is this?

[charred harbor]

You'd have to elaborate what you mean - it's neuter though

Also it should be capitalised obviously

[vernal ermine]

Little bit confused but ok 👌

@charred harbor @long whale Vielen Dank ❤

[south zenith]

ein Stück Kuchen
das Stück, so in nominative and accusative it stays ein, if it was dative it would be "mit einem Stück Kuchen"
its the same grammar concept as "eine Flasche Wasser"

[quaint cipher]

so i am a little confused why "es gibt" doesn't conjugate for the accusative case. could anyone help?

[undone verge]

what do you mean? It does take accusative case

[quaint cipher]

i was talking with a german friend and she corrected me because i said "es gibt ihr" but she corrected me to say "es gibt sie"

[undone verge]

ihr is dative

sie is accusative

[quaint cipher]

oh she was going on a rant about how it's not conjugated

[undone verge]

native german speakers who don't interact a lot with learners often do not understand themselves what is going on with their langauge under the hood

so the correction is almost always right, the reasoning might not always be

that said: this indeed isn't 'conjugation'

the verb 'geben' conjugates for 'es' (the subject) as always. geben --> gibt

the case of the object taken by the construction 'es gibt' is accusative

[quaint cipher]

"ich hoffe es gibt ein Apfel"
i just asked her and apparently this is a correct sentence

so i could force an accusative out

[undone verge]

that is an incorrect sentence

is your friend really german?

[quaint cipher]

i mean accusative conjugation

[undone verge]

Ich hoffe, es gibt einen Apfel.

[undone verge]

there's no such thing as accusative conjugation, unless I'm missing something obvious

[quaint cipher]

yea she is

[quaint cipher]

einen

[undone verge]

that isn't conjugation 💀

in any case, I wouldn't take your friend's advice on anything anymore, since that is a very simple sentence that is very obviously wrong

[quaint cipher]

conjugation isn't just verbs

[quaint cipher]

that's what i was thinking but she is a native speaker

so I'm very confused such to say

ok she said that she made a mistake but like idk that seems like a tough mistake to make

[long whale]

Were you writing or speaking when you asked her? (It's still a bit weird, because I'm usually able to tell whether someone says "einen", just swallowing most of the -en at the end, as is normal in spoken German, or if they just said "ein".)

[quaint cipher]

writing

[long whale]

Either the world's coming to an end, or... maybe her parents aren't native speakers? 🤔

[quaint cipher]

her parents are polish

but she was born and raised in Germany

[long whale]

Mm... well, there you probably have your explanation. Don't get me wrong, though, there are many kids with non-native parents whose German is excellent. And your friend may just have had a 🧠 💨 ;)

[quaint cipher]

i mean, no one is perfect always in any language

[shut briar]

Die Rolle des Übersetzers ist die des Kulturmittlers

Is this sentence correct? I translated it using deepl cause i wanted to find out how 'is that of a' could be written in german

[hushed dawn]

Das Jahr bring für unser Unternehmen eine große Veränderung mit ______.
Can you explain why the most suitable word is "sich" and not "Ihnen" ?

[glossy jay]

Whatt's the difference between beantragen and sich bewerben?

[opaque heron]

Hallo! How can we write this sentence without "da"? Can we say "Gibt es Kaffee zur Brezel?" 🤔 What is the meaning of "zu" here?

[delicate tiger]

"etwas mit sich bringen"

[hushed dawn]

how does it differ from mitbringen ?

[proven sphinx]

It doesn't mean the same thing. "mit sich bringen" means "to entail/involve", whereas "mitbringen" means "to take with you".

[hushed dawn]

Ach so, vielen Dank

[edgy belfry]

I love relaxing at home.

is "Ich mag bei mein Hause entspannen" a wrong translation, if so, why

Ich liebe es, zu Hause zu entspannen
is shown as the translation on google translate

[past harness]

the google translation is right

[stuck pendant]

with. It is basically asking "Could I get [Is there] coffee with the ..."

[edgy belfry]

why

[opaque heron]

Danke!

[stuck pendant]

no prob

[upbeat thicket]

„Zu Hause“ or „Zuhause“ is a fixed expression meaning at home

But I would suggest looking up the zu-Infinitive and getting a more detailed explanation than I gave you 🙂

[edgy belfry]

I see

[jovial hedge]

it sounds like youre saying "i like relaxing with my house" haha

[edgy belfry]

If I say "Ich mag in meinem Büro entspannen" would that be correct

[upbeat thicket]

and the „zu entspannen“ is because „Ich liebe es“ (in front of the comma) is a main clause and the part after the comma is a subordinate clause, therefore the zu-Infinitive-form. If you didn’t know, in German basically the verb in a subordinate clause has to go at the end

[jovial hedge]

i think you can say ,ich mag zu Hause entspannen' too right ?

[upbeat thicket]

Yeah but that has a slightly different meaning than „Ich mag **es, ** in meinem Büro zu entspannen“

[jovial hedge]

insted of lieben you can use mögen

[upbeat thicket]

Ich mag es, in meinem Büro zu entspannen
[I like to relax in my office]
Ich mag in meinem Büro entspannen
[I would like to relax in my office]

[jovial hedge]

oh wow i didnt know that thats really interesting

[edgy belfry]

Is the "es" in "Ich mag es", er or sie in any case?

If so, what does it depend on

[upbeat thicket]

No it is similar to „It is raining“ where the „it“ is just a symbolical grammatical structure

[edgy belfry]

alright

[upbeat thicket]

don‘t know if that makes any sense

[edgy belfry]

I understand

[edgy belfry]

I see. Danke

I'll have to learn when to use zu infinitives then

[edgy belfry]

is there any instance where we refer to the noun by their gender. like can I say "I bought a Donut. He is not good." when translated literally from German because it is Der Donut (It isn't actually the case for this sentence, according the google translate). Is there any other situation when that happens. I remember seeing something like that, but idk if its a special case or something.

referring to inanimate objects by their grammatical gender.

oh huh. It is actually the case when I changed the full top to a comma

So it's a mistranslation, right?

[proven sphinx]

That's always the case in German.

"Ich aß einen Apfel. Er war köstlich."

"Ich aß eine Birne. Sie war köstlich."

[edgy belfry]

I thought so, but google translate made me a bit confused

Thanks

[plush pelican]

conjugation is just verbs, FYI. For anything else, it's "declension", and both conjugation and declension fall under the umbrella term of "inflection".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection

[proven sphinx]

The only case that gives native speakers pause is "das Mädchen", but even there it's more correct to say "es" rather than "sie", especially if the sentence comes immediately afterwards.

"Das Mädchen war auf dem Spielplatz. Es spielte mit den anderen Kindern."

[quaint cipher]

huh ok. seems like a weird distinction but thanks anyway

[plush pelican]

yeah, idk why the terms are like that, that's just the way they are

[edgy belfry]

right

[proven sphinx]

Conjugating verbs just works quite differently from declining cases, so I guess it makes sense that there's a different word for that.

[jovial hedge]

my native language is vietnamese, which has no declensions, no conjugations, and no purals haha

[plush pelican]

wow, you have my sympathies 😅

[jovial hedge]

also no cases i dont think

[edgy belfry]

but has 6 tones

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, East Asian languages tend to be very analytic in that respect.

[quaint cipher]

ah yea i've heard of that. pretty tough phonology but super easy grammar (easier than english)

[quaint cipher]

tbf my brain thinks very simplistically

[jovial hedge]

we do have tones but it's less grammatical and more definitions

[quaint cipher]

i don't think grammatical tone exists

[jovial hedge]

honestly its a really simple language to learn

[edgy belfry]

My native language has no genders (and inflection I think since it's mostly an agglutinative lang) but tons of grammatical moods and cases

[quaint cipher]

the phonology tho

[jovial hedge]

there are some instances where you'd change the tone depending on the situation but its really rare

and each dialect is different as well

[edgy belfry]

17 grammatical moods and 8 cases

[proven sphinx]

German doesn't exactly have a simple phonology, either. It has a pretty ridiculous amount of distinct vowels, for example.

[jovial hedge]

there are a lot of vowels in vietnamese as well lol

[quaint cipher]

8 vowels with length (not counting dipthongs)

[proven sphinx]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Hanoi_Vietnamese_vowel_chart.svg

Yeah, you're right, but German still has like almost double that amount, I think?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Northern_Standard_German_vowel_chart.svg

Yeah...

And those are just the monophthongs.

[edgy belfry]

interesting

[quaint cipher]

also a distinction between h and x is very rare

[edgy belfry]

quite focused on the front of the mouth

[proven sphinx]

Is it? I feel like every Semitic language has it, for example.

Dutch naturally has it as well.

[quaint cipher]

are semetic languages known for simple phonology tho?

[proven sphinx]

Not really. 😅

[jovial hedge]

but we have a lot of accents for vowels, 5 for each specifically

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, indeed it is.

Lots and lots of front vowels.

[jovial hedge]

a ă â e ê i/y o ơ ô u ư plus their 5 accents

[quaint cipher]

but yea arabic as like 3 laringals iirc

[edgy belfry]

I'm curious now. but I can't really find the vowel chart of my language, malayalam.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, Arabic phonology is very complex, I won't deny it, but at least they only have three phonemic vowels.

[quaint cipher]

all can be distincted by length tho and dipthong

[proven sphinx]

I guess it's a matter of perspective if you find distinguishing between a ton of consonants or a ton of vowels harder.

[quaint cipher]

also most modern dialects have 5 but MSA has 3

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, true.

[quaint cipher]

consonants are like pushing the buttons in a trumpet. vowels are like sliding a cornet

that's how i think of it tho

[proven sphinx]

Danish has even more vowels than German does.

[quaint cipher]

danish also has a phoneme not found in any other language

[proven sphinx]

Germanic languages in general are infamous for having a large vowel inventory.

[edgy belfry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_phonology#/media/File:Danish_vowel_chart.svg

[proven sphinx]

English is not an exception here, obviously. English vowels are very hard to get right.

[quaint cipher]

which is weird that proto germanic only had 5 core vowels

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, true.

[edgy belfry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Malayalam it's kinda weird that they consider r as a vowel in my language

[quaint cipher]

but with nasality and even some vowels had a 3 way length distinction

[proven sphinx]

In the end, whether a language has a "hard" phonology or not always depends on your native language. French is really hard to pronounce for speakers of other Romance languages, but not so much for speakers of German, which shares almost all sounds with French.

[edgy belfry]

yeah

Number of phonemes and frequency of those phonemes across all the languages make a language phonology difficult usually

[proven sphinx]

I mean, I'm not surprised at all that learning to speak French as a Spanish speaker would be a nightmare. Their phonologies barely line up at all, despite being related.

[edgy belfry]

yeah

[proven sphinx]

So it's not just a matter of speaking a related language, at least not always.

[jovial hedge]

this is gonna sound weird but as a vietnamese speaker french doesn't seem too hard

it might have to do with their occupation but we share some words

[proven sphinx]

Maybe you've just had plenty of exposure to it since Vietnam used to be a French colony?

Yeah.

[jovial hedge]

which is pretty interesting how an eastern and western language matches up

[jovial hedge]

here are all the vowels with their accents, and you can also combine vowels but they'll share an accent
á à ả ã ạ ắ ằ ẳ ẵ ặ ấ ầ ẩ ẫ ậ
é è ẻ ẽ ẹ ế ề ể ễ ệ
í ì ỉ ĩ ị ý ỳ ỷ ỹ ỵ
ó ò ỏ õ ọ ớ ờ ở ỡ ợ ố ồ ổ ỗ ộ
ú ù ủ ũ ụ ứ ừ ử ữ ự

[shut briar]

Hey can someone bitte help me with this

[bronze root]

looks good to me :)

[plush pelican]

You can say either

"Ich hasse es, das Badezimmer zu putzen"
OR
"Das Badezimmer zu putzen hasse ich"

But how common is it to phrase things like the 2nd sentence there, with an Infinitivsatz that is both the topic of the sentence as well as the object of the verb?

[inland folio]

hey guys, i need help in something

we know how things get seperated into nominativ,akkusativ,genetiv,dativ?

what happens with plural?

how does it change

in "the"

[plush pelican]

just look at a declension chart for "the"

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/article-declension#Definite-Article

[inland folio]

thank you so much!

[shut briar]

Thanks 🙏, also would you sya this is eher gehoben oder Standard?

[bronze root]

a little bit more gehoben than standard

[inland folio]

guys whats the article

when u say the nationality of something

like

Der ......... amerikanische Erfinder Thomas Edison

we need a certain article of Beruhmte

[proven sphinx]

I'm not sure what you mean?

"Der berühmte amerikanische Erfinder Thomas Edison" is already perfectly fine.

[inland folio]

like is it Beruhmter, Beruhmte, Beruhmten

etc

[inland folio]

ohh okay thank you so much

is there an easy way

to find the cases

i struggle a lot with it

[proven sphinx]

Well, it depends on the gender and the case.

But in this particular case, it's the same for all three genders at least.

[inland folio]

like when do we know its nominativ, akkusativ etc etc

[proven sphinx]

Der/die/das berühmte...

It doesn't change.

But it does change with the cases.

[inland folio]

yes

[proven sphinx]

Maybe this helps.

It should be the same for any other adjective.

[inland folio]

yes ik this

but how do we know

when its akkusativ

when its nominativ

for eg in feminin the articles are the same

for nom and akk

[proven sphinx]

It basically depends on what comes before it and what function it has in the sentence.

Die schöne Frau (Nom.) sieht mich vs Ich sehe die schöne Frau (Akk.)

Is it the subject or the object?

Of course, it is more obvious in the masculine: "Der schöne Mann sieht mich" vs "Ich sehe den schönen Mann."

But that doesn't change the fact that "die schöne Frau" is still in the accusative case in the second sentence above.

And as for all cases, it's the preceding verb or preposition that tells you what case it needs to be.

For example, "sehen" always requires the accusative.

[inland folio]

thank you so muchhh

[fervent kernel]

Hey, I am looking for someone to make me a structured study plan that I can do. I have many resources but they are just all over the place and I just need something more structured. I am in A1. Feel free to shoot me a DM!!!

[agile summit]

heyo, when casually texting a friend in german, what would be your equivalent to starting a sentence with "also" or "btw"?

übrigens feels a little contrived lol

[upbeat thicket]

i was about to say "übrigens"

[whole portal]

🤔

[opaque heron]

Hallo! I learned "nach einer Weile", but this is "noch" and I couldn't find its meaning. What does "noch" mean here? 🤔

[fervent kernel]

„we sat a little more time under the sun

again, multiple uses

[opaque heron]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

Np

[south zenith]

ist das Dino lernt deutsch?

[agile summit]

ahahah sorry

i was looking for a super super casual way, like an equivalent of btw. but as i found out there isnt rly one

and either way the person im speaking to is also young and internationalized so weve been just saying btw

[whole portal]

Übrigens is pretty casual to me idk

Like it's not Nebenbei bemerkt

Lassen Sie mich anmerken, dass

[verbal girder]

ehhh it has problems loading 🤷‍♂️

[glossy jay]

Would the imperative of rechnen be "rechn"? How is it pronounced?

[fervent kernel]

rechne. and it’s pronounced the same as rechen, just the n before the e

[glossy jay]

i mean, like for machen it'd be "mach"
So it wouldn't be "rechn" because that's unpronouncable?

[fervent kernel]

nope

it’s rechne

[glossy jay]

wait
i thought that "mach" is the formal and "mache" is the informal for imperative lol

so thanks

[fervent kernel]

np

[plush pelican]

If you want to look up the imperative of a word, just use a verb conjugation website.

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-rechnen.html

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[plush pelican]

Depends on what you mean by "formal" vs. "informal"

both "mach" and "mache" are the imperative for "du", meaning both are addressing someone informally.
For addressing someone formally, it would be, "Machen Sie".

On top of that, it's very common in colloquial German to drop the E ending for the du version of the imperative.

[fervent kernel]

german is such a pain in my butthole

thinkers my native language

[glossy jay]

By formal I meant colloquial, sorry

[plush pelican]

no problem

[glossy jay]

anw danke

[glossy jay]

meins - in substantival use only, slightly informal, but fully standard) Alternative form of meines

What does "substantival use only" mean?

[vernal ermine]

Guten Tag Freunde!

[hushed dawn]

Sagt man "Lesen zum Spaß" oder "Lesen aus Vergnügen" ?

[fervent kernel]

Beides ist möglich. Es ist formeller zu sagen „Lesen aus Vergnügen“

[whole portal]

zum Vergnügen

Zumindest glaube ich nicht, dass du aus Vergnügen meinst.