questions-2

[ashen cairn]

"sich" is just part, which shows that this verb is reflexive

zb sich sehnen nach+dat, but sich vorbereiten auf+akk
both verbs with "sich"
you should pay attention to the preposition, it is part which most often indicates the case

[fervent kernel]

But I don't think, I can use whichever I want. In some cases, it changes. For example;

vorstellen sich (Akk): to intoduce themself
vorstellen sich (Dat): to imagine

Ich vorstelle mich...
Ich vorstelle mir...

That's the part I wonder

[ashen cairn]

What's your native language?

[dry bolt]

Hello, i just started learning german and i don't understand when i have to use Die and when Der

[ashen cairn]

It's difficult to me to explain, because my native language has same grammar with german
We have 4 ways when we use reflexive verbs
maybe this article helps https://www.germanlw.com/reflexive-verbs-with-sich-in-akkusative-and-dative/

[ashen cairn]

It depends on the gender of the noun

[dry bolt]

Thank you!

[golden cradle]

it changes
indeed

sich etw. vorstellen (Akk): to imagine sth.
sich jdm. vorstellen (Dat): to intoduce oneself to smn.

(yes, I’m sure what I said was correct, but I think you read it differently than I meant it)

[timid vector]

other way around @fervent kernel

[acoustic breach]

This is how i understand this verb: the verb "vor + stellen" means "to place something before/in front"

Ich stelle mich dir vor: i place myself in front of you (i introduce myself to you)
Ich stelle dir meinen Freund vor: I place my friend in front of you (I introduce my friend to you)

Ich stelle mir ein Auto vor: I place a car in front of me (I imagine a car)
Stell dir ein Auto vor: place a car in front of you (please imagine a car)

[proven sphinx]

I was just about to correct you on the second sentence. 😂

[acoustic breach]

Luckily i spotted it quick😂

[plain umbra]

Some people whom i met in the server dont consider sich vorstellen as reflexive. Not sure if it's up to debate but well, depends on your interpretation
I don't think it's up for debate. It is reflexive.

[proven sphinx]

Any verb with "sich" is reflexive.

[acoustic breach]

Then ill remove that part of the message to avoid any complicated discussion at the moment

[night dagger]

Dictionaries are usually good for confirming these things 99.99% of the time.

[acoustic breach]

Not for "introducing" part, right?

Only for "imagine", correct?

[plain umbra]

I've always seen both meanings (introducing and imagining) listed as reflexive in any dictionary or grammar source I've seen.

[acoustic breach]

Same but their (the some ppl i met) thought that (which i find convincing) that the "sich" at "introducing " is like this:

Ich stelle dir/ihm/meinem Freund meine Familie: i introduce my family

Would it still count as "reflexiv" in this?

(im currently challenging dictionaries )

[night dagger]

Works reflexively and non-reflexively according to dwds.

[acoustic breach]

I see
Ok i think i got what " being reflexiv " means

[night dagger]

Context is king as always though.

[proven sphinx]

As someone who has studied translation, context is the only thing that does matter.

It’s the main reason why machine translation still has a long way to go, since they suck at context.

Really, every time someone asks “How do you translate this word into German?”, it’s pretty much a meaningless question without any context, unless it’s something really obvious.

[jolly jackal]

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[fair orbit]

what is the difference between nein and kein and nicht

[fervent kernel]

Nein = no
Kein = no (ex: Ich habe keine Milch means I have no milk)
Nicht = not

[fair orbit]

so nein is basically to answer yes or no questions?

[fervent kernel]

Yep

[fair orbit]

alright thanks

[young atlas]

You can use it in a phrase tho

Like “Nein Problem

Or would you say kein Problem?

[fervent kernel]

Kein Problem

[young atlas]

Ok danke

[fervent kernel]

Bitte schön

[fervent kernel]

I've never thought about that way. Danke 👍

But my question was how I can know which verb takes Akk or Dativ for their "sich" part. Vorstellen was just an example

[long whale]

It's usually like this: if the verb has a "real" direct object/Akkusaativobject, the reflexive (the "sich" part) will be in Dativ: Ich wasche die Wäsche (Akkusativobjekt), ich wasche mich (Akkusativobjekt), but: ich wasche mir (Dativ) die Hände (Akkusativobjekt). For the exceptions to this "rule", look up "Verben mit doppeltem Akkusativ" (verbs with double Akkusativ). Consolation prize: there are no verbs with double Dativ. ;) "sich vorstellen" is a particularly tricky verb. However, it works as you'd expect it to, judging by its English translation: Bitte stelle mich deiner Mutter vor (Please introduce me (Akk) to your mother (Dat)) vs. Ich stelle mir einen Rolls Royce vor (I'm imagining a RR (Akk) to myself (Dat))

[fervent kernel]

A perfect explanation 👍 Danke schön 😊

[plain umbra]

Also you can just look in the dictionary and it should tell you which case it is.

[long whale]

What Basementality said is a very good idea, anyway, since many German verbs require a certain preposition, too - just like English verbs. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es irgendeine Übersetzung von "was going to" auf Deutsch außer "wollte"? "Wollte" klingt für mich nicht 100% richtig.

z.B: "I was going to call you but I forgot". Dieser Satz klingt (für mich), dass eine Person das geplannt hat aber die Person hat vergessen. Die Übersetzung vom Satz ist "Ich wollte dich anrufen" laut DeepL. Das klingt wie die Person nicht das geplannt habe. Das war ein Wille.

Das könnte vielleicht ich sein, der falsch verstehet 😅 Ich möchte mich sicher sein. Gibt "wollte" die gleiche Bedeutung?

[undone verge]

you could say 'ich wollte' , sounds totally normal to me.
'Ich hatte vor, dich anzurufen, aber...' could also work

[fervent kernel]

The English translation is "I wanted to". So for me, it doesn't cover the meaning 100%. (I'm not sure though). But if it's okay for German then done 🙂 I just wanted to be sure

[undone verge]

is english your native language? Maybe it's just where I'm from, but it also sounds very normal to me in english (I wanted to call you, but I forgot; I meant to call you, but I forgot)

[fervent kernel]

No, it's not, but for me the difference is:
"Was going to" sounds like I intended to do that. I planned to do that.
"Wanted to" sounds like I just wanted it. It wasn't planned. I just thought about it

Maybe I'm wrong. (Highly, I guess 😄)

[long whale]

Well, whatever the difference in meaning, whether real or imaginary, it's what we'll most often say in German, what sounds most natural to me. ;)

[narrow pier]

Hallo, nur um sicherzugehen, es gibt keine Lösungsblätter zu den Arbeitsblättern auf ( islcollective ). Ich muss hilf von dieser Gruppe bekommen? oder mich selbst mit meiner Lösung vertrauen?

[thorn pelican]

want to is indeed intention whereas going to is generally for more concrete plans, promises, and arrangements
however an important thing to note is as you've porbably already found, there's no 1:1 match between english and german tenses
'going to' is specifically a future form that german lacks entirely, so you're not going to find a perfect match for it

[fervent kernel]

Yes, there's not always 1:1 match and when that happens, I just wanna be sure. My German is still not good enough to decide if the things I translate work or not, but I'm learning 🙂

[night gazelle]

Is Die geistes- und sozialwissenschaftliche Forschungsinstitut a good word for Research Insitute for Social Studies and Humanities?

[narrow pier]

.

[long whale]

Only if you check the gender of "Institut" ;)

[night gazelle]

lol

didn't expect to literally get only the gender wrong from this complicated, long-ass german word

[narrow pier]

sorry, but I wonder why my message have not got any reply, is it because its in english? or its incomprehensible? #questions-2 message

[undone verge]

Muss ich Hilfe von dieser Gruppe bekommen? Oder soll ich mir meine eigene Lösung vertrauen? <-- I think this is grammatically okay but I still think the last question sounds a bit convoluted

[narrow pier]

okay, so let me clarify, in resources, I found (islcollective ) for German grammer worksheets, but I could not find solutions, so I asked, what should I do? is there really no solutions to the worksheets? and should I then ask this verber to help with my solutions if they are not right or trust the rules I know

[narrow pier]

and for the convulated sentence you say, deepl s suggestions is this ( oder sollte ich meinen eigenen Lösungen vertrauen )

[undone verge]

yeah that sounds better to me

[shadow portal]

hi

[fervent kernel]

hi whats the question

[acoustic breach]

Ich möchte sagen, dass ich nicht nur meine Haare schneiden, sondern ich wasche auch die Haare

Kann ich "ich wasche meine Haare nicht nur" sagen ("nicht nur" am Ende), um die Ambiguität, dass ich vielleicht jemandes Haare auch schneiden, zu vermeiden?

[fervent kernel]

to be honest, I do not understand your question

if you want to say i want to not only cut my hair but also wash it i would say sth like this

Ich wasche nicht nur meine Haare, sondern schneide sie auch.

[fallow spire]

"ich wasche meine haare nicht nur" stimmt soweit ich weis nicht, aber "ich wasche nicht nur meine haare" stimmt auf jeden fall

@acoustic breach your profile name is incorrect "wie gehts" is ok, but "ich bin gut" is incorrect, "mir geht es gut" währe besser

[acoustic breach]

Hmm ok
Eigentlich wollte "ich wohne nicht nur in Malaysia (sondern ich lebe auch da)" schreiben. Wenn man logisch denkt, meine ich natürlich nicht, dass ich "nicht nur in Malaysia, sondern auch in Singapur", aber die Ambiguität ist noch da. Kann man es vermeiden, ohne den zweiten Teil zu schreiben?

[acoustic breach]

Ja, deshalb das Kreuz am Ende

Ich bin gut ❌
Ich könnte mich nicht länger benennen

[fallow spire]

ok, jez ferstehe ich...

[acoustic breach]

Wollte "mir geht es gut✅" schreiben

[fallow spire]

*das kreuz

[fervent kernel]

Was ist eine Ambiguität?

Höre das Wort zum aller ersten mal

Achso zweideutigkeit

[fallow spire]

würde ich auch geren wissen

[acoustic breach]

Auf Englisch sagt man Ambiguity, wenn es richtig wäre?

[fervent kernel]

Beispiel: Löffel denke ich

können hasenohren sein oder das gerät zum essen

oder Rock

kann die Genre sein aber auch das Kleidungsstück

[fallow spire]

aso

danke

[acoustic breach]

Ja

[fallow spire]

😂 ist ja erstaunlich simpel

[fervent kernel]

Ich hätte jetzt auch gedacht es wäre etwas komplexeres

[acoustic breach]

Ok ich merke mir dieses Wort😂

[uneven sparrow]

Ich schaue der Dokumentarfilm dass du hab mir vorgeschlangst (is this correct?)

[delicate tiger]

case for "Dokumentarfilm", "dass", word order

||Ich schaue den Dokumentarfilm||, ||den du mir vorgeschlagen hast|| try yourself first before checking

[uneven sparrow]

I got it so wrong 🫣. Thanks for being so pedagogic 🙂

[narrow pier]

hello, how do you say sentences like these in german ( say what ) in contexts like ( say what, yesterday I learned how to ride a bike )

in Kurdish we use ( say what ) but I do not know for english

my question is, what do you say in German before telling them about something, like ( guess what, you are not coming to the party )

[fervent kernel]

guess what, you are not coming to the party
is this a question?

I feel like it should be
"let me guess, you are not..."

[nova sparrow]

From how I understand your text, I think it could be:
also, Du wirst nicht zur Pary kommen (können) {weil ich Dich nicht eingeladen habe}
oder
Hör mal, Du wirst nicht...
Weißt Du was, Du wirst nicht zur Party kommen...

[narrow pier]

no, its more like a follow up sentence to the main sentence

[narrow pier]

yesss, sentences like ( Hör mal ), are there many sentences like that, because when I am righting sentences like right now, that sentence is coming to my mind very often, and I want to use different phrases ( I also use " sag was " ) like " hör mal " is it correct

[narrow pier]

thank you, your sentence also works actually but I did not mean that

[fervent kernel]

anladım kanki çok iyisin

sen çok iyi birisin

[nova sparrow]

Off topic: hast Du den Film Rheingold von Fatih Akim schon gesehen?

[narrow pier]

nein, ist es ein guter Film?

[narrow pier]

why are you answering me in that language

[nova sparrow]

Hab ihn gestern gesehen und bin begeistert,
außdem denke ich, es waren einige Deiner Landsleute im Kino, und am Ende hat der ganze Saal geklatscht! @narrow pier

[fervent kernel]

ney

[narrow pier]

Ist das nicht normal im Kino Deutschlands? Und meine sie dass, es viele Kurden im Kino an diesem Tag gibt? Ja, Also, falls du sagst, ob es normal ist, dass Kurden am Ende der Filmen klatschen

nein, das ist nicht üblich

[narrow pier]

Wie wusstest du, dass sie Kurden sind? bist du mit der kurdischen Sprache etwas vertraut?

[nova sparrow]

Nein, aber sie haben manche Dialoge wiederholt/ mitgesprochen 😄

Das könnte ich nciht 😮

[narrow pier]

#questions-2 message (sorry, but I did not get an answer )

[narrow pier]

[nova sparrow]

Und die Familie des Hauptdarstellers sind Kurden 🙂

[narrow pier]

Es ist unglaublich, wie viele Kurden in Deutschland sind. Einige andere leute haben das auch gesagt

[golden cradle]

weißt du, = you know,
guck mal,
schau mal,
(a)also, (es ist so:)
mal kurz,
hey du,

[narrow pier]

darf ich fragen wo wohnst du, oder wenn du das Privat behalten wollen/ wenn du diese Information für sich behalten möchte, kann du es mir im DM schreiben oder nur es nicht senden

[golden cradle]

hey, übrigens,

[nova sparrow]

sorry:
Sag was is incorrect here
sometimes you can use:
sag mal....

[nova sparrow]

In der Nähe von Stuttgart, und dort war ich im Kino 😄

[golden cradle]

wo wohnst du?
in der Nähe von
ach cool, ich auch

[nova sparrow]

Schorndorf!

[narrow pier]

can you give some examples for them, in my head only ( hör mal ) and ( weißt du ) would work, when you want to tell something to someone. I can not get how would I use the others

[narrow pier]

hey, übrigens, ich habe gestern den neuen 007 Film gesehen und ~~es ~~ **er ** /*der * war so geil ( klingt es gut ? )

[narrow pier]

thank you

[narrow pier]

Oh cool, schön

[golden cradle]

ich würde der war so geil sagen (der Film)

*007-Film

[nova sparrow]

some people even use:
Und zwar (at the beginning of their speech)

[narrow pier]

I have heard from someone, that ( der ) for contexts like this, when replacing pronouns, is umgangssprachlich, have I got this right?

[golden cradle]

Folgendes:

[narrow pier]

like its informal, but my sentence is also informal

[narrow pier]

what ?

[narrow pier]

or I should use ( er ) instead of ( es ) but that is not common in spoken german language

[golden cradle]

nein, das klingt komisch, weil der Film keine Person ist

[nova sparrow]

I would even say it's spoken language (vs. written language)

[narrow pier]

But I can not say that in a german exam???

[golden cradle]

you can

[narrow pier]

please I am confused??

[golden cradle]

it is as you said: not common in spoken lang

[fervent kernel]

well a politician wouldn't speak like that in a formal setting, so I think formal versus informal is quite fitting

[narrow pier]

so its okay to use in exams but in not in written language as ( effct aber Alt ) said?

[nova sparrow]

I would say yes but I'm not a member of the examination crew!

[narrow pier]

ok thank you, Ich war so vewirrt über das, weil selbst in deutschen Kursbüchern wie " Menschen A2.1 ) sie haben **der **sttat **er **für personalpronomen verwendet. Außerdem habe ich gesagt, aber das ist informell

[golden cradle]

deine Anführungszeichen finde ich jetzt aber verwirrend. Wäre vlt. einfacher, wenn du die normal verwendest: mit Leerzeichen nur auf einer Seite

ah Kursbüchern meinst du haha

[narrow pier]

ist es jetzt besser?

[narrow pier]

Ja

[narrow pier]

Also, habe ich eine grammatische fehler gemacht, wie immer? oh, ich habe sogar ein Rechtschreibungsfehler gemacht

[golden cradle]

Außerdem habe ich gesagt, aber das ist informell
der Teil verwirrt mich noch

[narrow pier]

additionaly I said, " but to use such thing, its not fomal" or " but that is informal "

Warum wenn ich Sätze auf Deutsch schreibe, hat es immer viele fehler

btw is there an alternativ word to the word hat, the one that is white

[deft perch]

I'd say "..., mache ich immer viele Fehler"

[golden cradle]

hat es für gibt es ist übrigens nur Umgangssprache, wäre in der Prüfung also wohl nicht nutzbar

sind immer viele Fehler drin

[narrow pier]

I reformulated the sentence, its fine now, no?

[narrow pier]

I think u should use brackets

[deft perch]

Sätze is plural, then it'd be "haben sie/die"

[golden cradle]

hm! Danke für den Tipp! 🙂

[deft perch]

Ich war so zu vewirrt über das darüber, weil es selbst in deutschen Kursbüchern selbst wie Menschen A2.1 so ist**:** sie haben der sttat er für als personalpronomen verwendet. Außerdem habe ich gesagt, aber das ist informell. Deswegen habe ich gesagt, dass das nicht formell ist.
I might be a bit weird I just tried to fix as I could

[undone verge]

so verwirrt was already fine, zu doesn't improve it. darüber, selbst is now in the wrong position

[deft perch]

Well tbh I'm not sure about the usage of "so" but I rather use it only in (so, dass) sentences

[undone verge]

so can be used like 'das war so wild'

ich war so verwirrt

if you say 'ich war zu verwirrt' it is hanging. It feels like you're going to follow it up with some condition that was affected by you being too confused.

but that isn't the case here, so it doesn't really work

[deft perch]

Then it can be used like so in English?

[undone verge]

in this particular sense

not in the causal sense

just as a quick Erklärung: selbst was in the right position before. 'selbst in X...'. It means 'even in these books!'

[deft perch]

Alright then, to make stuff clear about darüber place

ich bin damit zufrieden, dass ...
ich bin zufrieden damit, dass ...
The first would be correct, right?

And selbst comes before its object, am I right?

Selbst ein Kind kann diese Aufgabe machen.

[undone verge]

I think technically both are possible

the sentence with selbst is right

[deft perch]

If both are correct then darüber position would still be correct I guess
Am I wrong

[vital iris]

Hallo Freunde, was ist der Unterschied zwischen Auftrag und Anweisungen ?

[undone verge]

in what context?

do you mean in the corrected text? The position there should be fine I believe

[undone verge]

Auftrag is like an order/assignment. Anweisungen are instructions/directions

[deft perch]

Ich bin darüber verwirrt | Ich bin verwirrt darüber
It's the same idea of zufrieden damit I assume, both would be correct

[vital iris]

Thank you

[flat ruin]

https://i.imgur.com/Z1cxYU2.png

Could someone verify if I picked the subjects correctly?

[plain umbra]

Not quite.

Do you know how to identify the subject?

[flat ruin]

nein 😦

[plain umbra]

Okay, so, the subject is the person/thing who is doing the action.

And it can also help to look at the verb. The verb ending changes based on the subject.

So for example "Facebook finde ich gut".

Who/what is doing the action here? What kind of subject do you need to have the verb form "finde"?

[flat ruin]

You need a person

so "ich" is the subject?

and for #2, would it be "Familie"

[golden cradle]

Meine Familie

[flat ruin]

awesome, thanks for the help

danke!

[plain umbra]

Sorry, what do you mean by "you need a person"?

And sorry for the late reply, I was busy.

[flat ruin]

No problem. I actually understood and finished the assignment haha. Thanks 😊

[plain umbra]

Np.

[worthy igloo]

wie wird „auserkoren“ heutzutage benutzt? ich habe es in einem Let's Play von Zelda gesehen, und Wiktionary sagt, es ist veraltet

[nova sparrow]

in this case Wiktionary is right you don't really use it:
ich habe ihn/sie (aus)gewählt

[acoustic breach]

Eine sehr einfache Frage

Sind "danke dir auch" und "danke auch dir" richtig?

[long whale]

The 1st is a reply to somebody thanking you, e.g. for the bottle of wine you brought to dinner. The 2nd is what I'd say if someone had also helped me, along with somebody else (whom I'd already thanked).

[acoustic breach]

Danke @long whale !

[narrow pier]

many people especially in the ninety eighties were reading comics and its was really popular at that time --> viele Menschen haben vor allem in den achtziger Jahren Comics gelesen, und sie waren damals sehr beliebt

many people especially in the ninety eighties read comics and its was really popular at that time ---> Viele Menschen, vor allem in den achtziger Jahren, lasen Comics, und sie waren damals sehr beliebt ( hello are these translations of deep l true? ) and if yes, what is really the difference between ( were reading and read ) in the sentences above, and what are their equivallences in German, if it exists

like how would do talk about an action in german that happend in the past or let me rephrase.

are there many different ways to talk about past in german except ( plusquamperfekt, perfekt and präterium )

[long whale]

Same as in Präsens, you can use adverbs to show the continuous tense: "gerade" and/or "dabei sein, etwas zu tun". We only use those to show something is/was happening at the same time as something else, though. In your example, it makes no difference to us, i.e. the German translation of "were reading" is the same as for "read (past simple)"

[narrow pier]

can you give an example with dabei sein and etwas zu tun if you can please. I want to see the contexts

[long whale]

Ich war gerade dabei, die Fenster zu putzen, als das Telefon klingelte.

[narrow pier]

My senteces turned like this ( In den achtziger Jahren ~~hat ~~ haben viele Menschen Comics gelesen ) or ( In den achtziger Jahren lasen viele Menschen Comics )

[long whale]

*haben hat

Yes, but the choice between Perfekt and Präteritum has nothing to do with continuous tense.

@narrow pier

[narrow pier]

oh okay, thank you so much. is this correct. I can not put this into to deepl since I am also unsure about how I say it in English ( Ich war gerade beim Wasser trinken, als mein Vater mich schlug )

[long whale]

No. :)

[narrow pier]

it would not even work? thanks

[long whale]

You might hear it (not sure), but... it isn't really acceptable in Standard German, no.

[narrow pier]

sorry its not on leo or deepl but another word for Computerspiele is zocken? I might have the spelling wrong. but there is a word for vediogames in German?

[undone verge]

yes 🙂

Videospiele, and zocken is a word (verb) for playing the video games

[long whale]

"zocken" is a very colloquial verb for "to play [computer games]" and for "to gamble" ;)

[narrow pier]

danke

[narrow pier]

danke

[vast bluff]

yes you are correct, it is short for Amerikaner and if it has a positive, negative or neutral connotation depends on the context and the person

[nimble viper]

What I always thought it meant a french person, like ami in french

Aja

[vast bluff]

nah but its pronounced more like ammi

[timid vector]

it's like yank

[worthy igloo]

was ist der Unterschied zwischen „Wicht“ und „Zwerg“?

[undone verge]

imp vs. dwarf, I think

very weird to me now that 'wicht' is the beginning of 'wichtig' the same way 'imp' is the beginning of 'important' 😂 I wonder if that's etymologically connected

[worthy igloo]

haha well, “important” is completely latinate and the real structure is import•ant

“From the same root as Gewicht (“weight”), thus pertaining to wiegen (“to weigh”). See also gewichtig, a (formal or elevated) synonym of wichtig. Weight is often used as a metaphor for importance; compare German schwerwiegend (“serious, grave”), as well as English weighty, heavy.”

apparently this is the etymology of wichtig

v interesting

[undone verge]

yeah, so I guess like none of the 4 words are related at all 😂 what a great coincidence

[worthy igloo]

if Zwerg is dwarf then is gnome just Gnom?

[fervent kernel]

yes

[undone verge]

I mean, Gartenzwerg = garden gnome

I think there's a lot of overlap with these small fake creatures

[fervent kernel]

There are also some regional oddities, e.g. bavaria compared to northern germany

[long whale]

While I fully agree with there being a lot of overlap, "Wicht" can have a very negative connotation, which the other words lack.

[golden cradle]

ja, auserwählt, aber sehr theatralisch/dramatisch – The Chosen ONE, die Held*in der jeweiligen Story

[golden cradle]

haha ja lustige Beobachtung!!

[golden cradle]

fake
Someone’s cruisin’ for a ||gnomin’ ||

[forest sentinel]

Hey guys
I have a sentence, where I have to insert af relative pronoun, but I am unsure.

Ida, _______ (dessen/deren/der) Eltern nichts von ihrer Verhaftung wussten, 
wurde nicht verurteilt.

I am pretty sure that in english the sentence should like:
"Ida, whos parents didn't know anything about her arrest, were not sentenced."
The problem I have is seeing, if the relative pronoun should be in plural or singular.
Any help is appreciated❤️

[fervent scroll]

masculine, neuter -> dessen
feminine, plural -> deren

[forest sentinel]

But which one should it be then?

Doesn't "der" also refer to feminine, when it is dative?

[timid vector]

deren is not der

but regardless both refer to feminine so 🤷

[real rivet]

In that case you use deren.

Singular, Female, Genetiv

[fervent scroll]

üm is not a thing, you probably mean um

um + Uhr

im + Monat/Jahreszeit

am + Tag/Tageszeit

um 4 Uhr
um halb 7
im Juni
im Frühling
am Sonntag
am Abend
am 17. [siebzehnten] Januar
Ausnahme: in der Nacht

[golden cradle]

am Tag

[fervent scroll]

im Jahr 2022

[golden cradle]

(in 2022)

other aspects of im & um:
im = in the
um X zu Yen = for Ying X / in order to Y X
um X herum = around X

[fervent kernel]

Hallo zusammen 🙂 Ich brauche Hilfe über einige Sätzen auf Englisch (nur der fettgedruckte Teil). Mein Deutsch ist nicht gut genug zu übersetzen (und ich möchte mich sicher sein 🙂 )

Hier sind der Sätzen:
"What if he won't come here?"
"What about him/her/the nature/the others...?"

Ich habe dies schon einmal gefragt aber etwas klingt mir nicht gut. Wie kann man diese Let's-Sätze übersetzen?

"Let's write this down"
"Let's finish this work first"

Ich habe gehört, dass die Übersetzungen wie "sollen wir schreiben", "sollen wir die Arbeit fertig machen" sind, aber weiß nicht. Ich kann nicht das Let's-Gefühl fühlen 😄

[cyan berry]

Hey can i have someone's help in dm ? Its beginner level and i only have a few questions.

[rocky sorrel]

If you still need help, sure.

[rocky sorrel]

"What if he won't come here?"

// Was, wenn er nicht (her) kommt? 

"What about him/her/the nature/the others...?"

// Was ist mit ihm/ihr/der Natur/den anderen? 

"Let's write this down"

// Lasst uns das aufschreiben. 

"Let's finish this work first"

// Lasst uns die Arbeit erst zu Ende bringen.

"sollen wir schreiben"

// Should we write? 

"sollen wir die Arbeit fertig machen"

// Should we finish the work ?

Hope that'll help you @fervent kernel

[timid vector]

Sollen better translates to "Are we supposed to" but in this case we actually still use the near-archaic "Shall we" in English, it's asking the other person/people if they want to do something

i.e Shall we go out to eat?
Sollen wir essen gehen?

no idea if it's common in german to say it like that but that's what he was asking about

[agile osprey]

Guys... I know I shouldn't be asking something like this but... Can someone help me with a quick exam? I need it for school...

[timid vector]

Against the rules to help with tests, sorry mate

[frank wadi]

would it be wise to learn the grammar first and once I have a semi decent hold on it transition over to sites like duolingo to boost your vocabulary, or should i still stay away from it?

[midnight isle]

The best way from my perspective is to learn grammar and at the same time collect your vocabulary. There's a lot of books out there that can allow you to that level by level

[rocky sorrel]

Thx, I shall work on my English.

[fervent kernel]

That helps a lot, thank you 🙂 but now I have another question abou that "let's" part. There's another usage of "let" in English. So, I just wonder if these translation are correct.

"Let me help you (for your homework)" -> "Lass mich dir (bei deinen Hausaufgaben) helfen"
"Let me check" -> "Lass mich überprüfen"

This is what I learned, and now the "let's" translation are with "Lasst" if I understand correctly?

[inner torrent]

let's= lasst uns, let me= lass mich, etc.

[inner torrent]

That's correct, but "Lass mich überprüfen" always needs an object. If you don't have a regular one you just say "Lass mich das überprüfen!". "Lass mich überprüfen": you can't say this I think, or it's not common at least

But it's true, "Let's go" would be "Lasst uns gehen." Note: You can also say "Lass uns gehen". That might be weird because "lass" is actually only for Singular, but in that combination (let's) it works.

Important: I'm not a teacher or even an expert, I'm just some random Native. I'm just telling you what I know. So, it might be incorrect, but it's the way we use the language.

[fervent kernel]

@inner torrent danke schön 🙂

[flat swallow]

Does anyone know of any online college that offers German as a foreign language? Google is giving me the run around with this question.

[plain umbra]

Best channel for such questions in #1033125270217048246

[flat swallow]

My bad, thx 👌🏼

[dim grove]

Can someone translate a video into English it’s around 8 seconds long

[long whale]

Please try yourself, first. If you show us what you have, we can help you with the rest. ;)

[fervent kernel]

what are the best online english-german dictionaries?

[golden cradle]

https://dict.cc
you may be interested in #resources

[fervent kernel]

wie kann ich "be quiet" höflich in Deutsch sagen?

[tame beacon]

Seien Sie bitte still.

[fervent kernel]

warum nicht "Sein Sie bitte still"?

[timid vector]

Imperativ

it is a command (but not so harsh)

there are different conjugations for Imperativ

[fervent kernel]

ja, genaue, aber in imperativ sage ich zum Beispiel: Kommen Sie bitte

[timid vector]

yes sein is a special verb

it is Seien

because the root is "sei"

basically every form of sein is irregular and must be memorized unfortunately

[tame beacon]

My music teacher likes to say: "So, du hast jetzt mal Sendepause."😂

[tame beacon]

yup, exactly

[timid vector]

Sei (du)
Seid (ihr)
Seien (Sie/wir)

bin ist ist?

[fervent kernel]

kann ich sagen: "Seien Sie glücklich bitte"?

[timid vector]

you can but it is kinda odd

maybe if you're consoling someone

[static juniper]

Die Arbeit, bei der ihr mir helfen wollt, ist sehr schwer. is it correct?

Could i get a short run down on why der is used in ", bei der ihr mir helfen wollt"

[fervent scroll]

bei der Arbeit

Dativ

[static juniper]

is there a way to detect dativ more easily in relativpromonen, having trouble with it sometimes.

[fervent kernel]

"Es gibt ein Problem. Im Stiegenhaus liegen immer wieder große Mengen von kostenlosen vor unseren Postkästen. Seien Sie bitte so nett und schließen Sie die Haustür immer ab. Vielen Dank für Ihre Mithilfe." I dont understand the meaning of this sentence. Why is it requiered to lock the door for? What does it has to do with the pile of newspapers in front of the mailboxes?

I still dont understand the connection...

[tropic thistle]

i think it's a combination of reviewing which prepositions are likely to take the dative (either dative-only or two-way: here bei should tip you off to expect a dative somewhere in the area) as well as making sure that you are familiar with the forms, so that you consider it as a possibility (which can be combined with noting common verbs that often take dative complements or objects -- e.g. helfen, geben, versprechen...)

[tropic thistle]

the delivery people who bring the advertisement flyers generally don't have the key (as a mailperson would), so if you make sure the door is locked, the people bringing the advertisement flyers may have a harder time getting in

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön

der Bildschirm steht vom Fenster, correct?

[fervent scroll]

vor dem Fenster?

[olive ravine]

"Der Bildschirm steht vor dem Fenster" is correct, but the shorter form"vorm"(=vor dem), would be also possible, however it has a worser language style

[fervent kernel]

now what about?: "der Bildschirm steht vor dem Fenster auf dem Tisch"

[olive ravine]

Correct👍, but don't forget the capital letter at the beginning and the punctuation in the end

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön

[steel patrol]

Sagt man üblicherweise, dass man gute Laune hat oder dass man in guter Laune ist?

[proven sphinx]

Eher das Erste.

[steel patrol]

Achso, danke:)

Gut gelaunt sein geht auch, oder?

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das geht auch.

[glass jungle]

Hey guys! Is anyone here familiar with WG castings? I need some help writing an email for this… and I’m struggling 🥲

[rare jetty]

@final marlin

[golden cradle]

yeah very (from the room providing side)
I have compiled a few pages of tips for searchers: https://bit.ly/DAsearch

[glass jungle]

Thank you so much 😊

[final marlin]

Ich kann kein Deutsch.

[rare jetty]

Ach so

[granite crystal]

Hallo💋💋💋

[shut briar]

Was ist die offizielle in gebrauch Wort für Procrastination auf Deutsch? Oder benutzt man Procrastination

[upbeat thicket]

Prokrastination oder etwas aufschieben

[golden cradle]

auch: Aufschieberitis; Prokrastinieren

[rare jetty]

English or German please

[thorny jacinth]

what is english

[rare jetty]

A language

[fervent kernel]

English is an unofficial term common in the colonial nation of Britain, referring to the language American

[safe plaza]

Best definition I've ever seen

[distant urchin]

faq dativ

[stoic mauve]

When do I use the dative case?

The dative case has a great number of usages, many of which are idiomatic, but is mainly used:

- to mark the indirect object of many transitive verbs (the indirect objectis that which receives the result of an action)

Ich habe dir ein Bier gekauft.
Sie gibt dem Mann das Buch.
Er zeigte ihm seinen Führerschein.

- to mark the object of some transitive verbs:

Dir fehlen die richtigen Materialien.
Es fällt mir bestimmt gleich wieder ein.
Das gefällt ihr gar nicht.

- after some prepositions:

Ich komme aus den USA.
Komm mit mir.
Ich lerne seit vielen Jahren Deutsch.

The following prepositions are always followed by the dative case:

aus, außer, bei, gegenüber, mit, nach, seit, von, zu

- after two-way prepositions when they do not indicate movement:

Das Bild hängt jetzt an der Wand.
Er joggt im Wald. (he is jogging in the woods)
Sie steht vor mir.

- to show possession, mainly of clothing or body parts:

Ich habe mir in die Finger geschnitten.
Er hat ihr die Nase gebrochen.
Die Mütze fiel mir vom Kopf.

- with many adjectives:

Ich war mir nicht sicher.
Ist dir kalt? (See >ex impersonal verbs for why there is no subject here.)
Er ist seinem Bruder sehr ähnlich.

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[golden cradle]

#botchannel

[distant urchin]

sorry. ty for letting me know.

[golden cradle]

np nw & yw! 😉

faq all may be of interest too 🙂

[stoic mauve]

See a listed FAQ with >faq [name]

:small_blue_diamond: Absentive

Aliases: Absentiv

:small_blue_diamond: Accusative

Aliases: Akkusativ

:small_blue_diamond: Adjective Declension

Aliases: Adjektivdeklination, Adjective endings

:small_blue_diamond: Anki

Aliases: Flashcards

:small_blue_diamond: Beide vs. Beides

Aliases: Beides vs. Beide, Beides, Beide

:small_blue_diamond: Best way to learn German

Aliases: Fastest way to learn, Learn fast, Most efficient way to learn, Learn efficiently, Best way to learn, Learn German fast

:small_blue_diamond: Can anyone teach me German

Aliases: Private tutors, Teach me, Teach me German, Teach German, Private lessons, Private teachers

:small_blue_diamond: Cases

Aliases: Grammatical case, Case

:small_blue_diamond: CEFR levels

Aliases: CEFR, CERF

:small_blue_diamond: Conjugation

Aliases: Konjugation, Praesens, Verbs, Verb conjugation, Present tense, Präsens

:small_blue_diamond: Contractions

Aliases: Verschmelzung, Schmelzwort, Vom

:small_blue_diamond: DACH

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:small_blue_diamond: Dative

Aliases: Dativ

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:small_blue_diamond: Duolingo

Aliases: Duo

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[distant urchin]

So, I am very stuck on Relative Pronouns. I struggled with Dativ quite a bit, so I have a hard time identifying when and if I should be using dative relative pronouns in a sentence. I've got a homework assignment and I don't want to say a good portion of them are dative, but it feels like they are.
I'd appreciate some assistance if at all possible.

[golden cradle]

what kind of assistance were you @distant urchin?

[distant urchin]

i was hoping someone could sit with me in a voice chat and not tell me the answers, but guide me and confirm whether I got it correct or if its not right and why that may be.

[golden cradle]

👍 gl
If no one volunteers, you can always type your stuff in here

[distant urchin]

i guess I can just put it here.

so, i think this is dative because im pretty sure gegeben is a dative verb

[golden cradle]

what are the objects?

[distant urchin]

the telefonummer is the indirect object, I am the direct object. since I am the one being given something.

and wouldnt he be the subject since he is executing the action

[golden cradle]

yeah

[golden cradle]

care to teach me about direct and indirect objects? /gen
I can build and identify correct sentences with very good precision, but my explicit understanding of the grammar is very lacking

[undone verge]

gegeben is a verb that takes an accusative and a dative object. 'mir' is already dative here. who is the number being given to? to me (mir).
number is the accusative object

in 'english' terms, 'mir' is the indirect object and die Telefonnummer is the direct object

[golden cradle]

are direct and indirect obj. basically translations for acc. & dative?

[undone verge]

kinda (but not really). It is better to call them dative and accusative objects

and I assume that is how Sinking is using them

[distant urchin]

I honestly had to really refresh myself for this so ive been trying to cram a lot in, im certain my understanding is everywhere. with this

but for relative pronouns, it requires me to know what case I am in, so I would think that it seems dative, but would I refer to "die telefonummer" as dative in the subordinate clause? because it seems accusative in the first half, but swaps to dative in the second half.

[undone verge]

it isn't dative in the second clause, just for the record

[distant urchin]

so I am really confused as to what should be the key i am looking for when determining the correct relative pronoun to use.

oh? its not?

[undone verge]

it should be 'die Telefonnummer, die er mir gegeben hat, funktioniert nicht'

[undone verge]

I explain why in the above message

[distant urchin]

oooh. that makes sense. i did hear dativ refers more to the beneficiary of an object.

is "bei" always dative?

[undone verge]

yes

[distant urchin]

thank you. i appreciate the explanation.

[nimble viper]

,,Sitzt der Schmerz noch tief?"

Würde man hier geläufig 'sitzen' sagen oder gibt es geläufigere/bessere/gemütlichere Verben dazu?

bzgl eines Herzschmerzens

Auch: Ist gebrauchen (Verb) sogar metaphorischer als nutzen, wenn es drum geht, dass man eine Sache was tun lässt?

zB ich hab hierbei 'gesunden Menschenverstand gebrauchen'

[night dagger]

erstens: ja, "ist" oder "sitz" passt.
zweitens: "brauchen" kann mehr oder weniger "verwenden" bedeuten.
zB: Könntest du dieses Wörterbuch brauchen? - Could you use this dictionary?

[golden cradle]

metaphorisch würde ich das nicht nennen, aber lyrischer, jawohl. Effektvoller

[nimble viper]

Ich dachte das wäre: Könntest du dieses Wörterbuch gebrauchen?

[jaunty flax]

faq akkusativ

[stoic mauve]

When do I use the accusative case?

The accusative case is mainly used:

- to mark the direct object of many transitive verbs

Ich lese einen Roman.
Er hat die schöne Frau ermordet.
Sie besitzen kein Auto.

- after some prepositions

Danke für deine Hilfe!
Ohne dich kann ich nicht leben.
Sie hatten keine Einwände gegen den Plan.

The following prepositions are always followed by the accusative case:

bis, durch, für, gegen, ohne, um

- to indicate movement in a particular direction in two-way prepositions

Er steigt auf den Gipfel.
Sie hängt das Bild an die Wand.
Ich gehe gleich ins Bett. (ins = in das)

- by adverbials of time and measurement

A definite length or point in time:
Ich habe den ganzen Tag geschlafen.
Sie kommt nächste Woche zurück.

A measurement:
Das Kind ist vier Jahre alt.
Das Tier ist einen Meter groß.

Expressing distance with verbs of motion:
Ich ging die Treppe hinauf.
Ich lief den ganzen Weg zu Fuß.

- in common greetings and wishes

Guten Morgen/Tag/Abend!
Gute Besserung!
Herzlichen Glückwunsch!

Here there is an implicit verb such as 'wünschen', where the greeting/wish is the direct object.

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[nimble viper]

Das würde meine ursprünglich Frage besser betreffen

[night dagger]

guck mal dwds

[nimble viper]

okay

danke

[night dagger]

immer gern

[clever harbor]

Is "Wie soll ich reagieren?" = "How should I react?" (future)
"Wie sollte ich reagieren?" = "How should I have reacted?" (past)

[nova sparrow]

What's the question here?🤔
Maybe the 2nd could also be
Wie hätte ich reagieren sollen...

[torn egret]

Its "how should i react" if u wanna say "how should i have reacted" you say "wie hätte ich reagieren sollen?"

[proven sphinx]

That's not how it works. Both refer to a possible future event.

"sollte" is just more hypothetical "sollen".

[clever harbor]

Thank you all

[clever harbor]

When should Sollten be used over Sollen

[proven sphinx]

"sollen" is kind of more like an order and "sollte" is more of a suggestion.

So "sollen" is often translated as "to be supposed to" in English.

Du sollst nicht dorthingehen! = You're not supposed to go there!

Whereas "Du solltest nicht dorthingehen" is more of a suggestion, as in "You shouldn't go there".

[clever harbor]

What then would be the different between sollen and dürfen?

[proven sphinx]

"dürfen" means "to be allowed to". It's similar but not quite the same.

Du sollst das nicht machen! (I don't want you to do that)
Du darfst das nicht machen! (It's against the law)

"sollen" often refers to what the speaker wants and "dürfen" to be what is generally allowed in society.

"Er soll nicht hierherkommen" (I don't want him to come here)
"Er darf nicht hierherkommen" (His mom grounded him or he's under some restraining order that bans him from coming here)

[clever harbor]

Danke dir für die Erklärung :)

[weary ruin]

This might be a stupid question, but is duolingo a good learning source or are there better sites?

[proven sphinx]

faq Duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[proven sphinx]

@weary ruin

[weary ruin]

Dankeschön!

[weary ruin]

faq babbel

[stoic mauve]

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

[proven sphinx]

I suppose there's not a FAQ for everything. 😅

[worthy igloo]

was bedeutet "zushulden" auf Englisch?
Bis zu ihrer Anklage hate sie sich kaum etwas zuschulden kommen lassen.

[nova sparrow]

never comitted a crime; no records; white vest...
and kaum means only little things

[delicate tiger]

"sich etwas zuschulden kommen lassen"

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/zuschulden kommen lassen

[golden cradle]

von
schuld(ig) = guilt(y)

[worthy igloo]

danke euch drei! @nova sparrow @delicate tiger @golden cradle

was bedeutet hier "spitze"? wiktionary sagt "great, awesome"

[golden cradle]

wiktionary hat Recht

kommt denke ich von
die Spitze = the peak

andere Synonyme: klasse, großartig

[solar haven]

Hallo, Leute.
Das ist gut nur für die Sprache lernen anfangen.
tell me please how to make this sentence correctly and at the same time save all 3 verbs (ist, lernen, anfangen)praying_dog

[lavish marlin]

@fervent kernel what are you trying to express?

[fervent kernel]

What are you talking about

[lavish marlin]

what is the sentence you posted in #general trying to say?

in any case, the personal pronoun that goes with "man" is "sein"
Man muss seine Tasche hier lassen

[fervent kernel]

You ( second person plural) have to take in your 70 liter bag a compass, etc..

[lavish marlin]

"Ihr müsst"

[fervent kernel]

Thank you

[lavish marlin]

or "Ihr solltet" if it's just advice

[fervent kernel]

So it is:

Schliesslich müsst Ihr in euer 70 Liter Rucksack einen Kompass, eine Wanserkarte, ein Zelt und einen Schlafsack nehmen

?

[lavish marlin]

I would use "packen"

"in euren Rucksack packen"

[fervent kernel]

Schliesslich müsst ihr in euren 70 Liter Rucksack packen einen Kompass, eine Wanderkarte, ein Zelt und einen Schlafsack.

Then?

[lavish marlin]

it's "euren", the "e" disappears:
"euren", "eurer", "eurem"

[long whale]

The infinitive has to come last, or at least after the first direct object in the list.

[lavish marlin]

ah yes, you have to use the same word order as in your previous sentence

[fervent kernel]

That's what I also thought

[lavish marlin]

yeah, I didn't express myself clearly with my example, sorry about that

[fervent kernel]

In my previous sentence i said

Vergesst ihr nicht eure Wanderhütte und Handschuhe und besonders eure Wanderstöcke.

Is it correct?

[lavish marlin]

if you use the imperative you don't mention the object

"Vergesst nicht..."

at least for du and ihr

it's still there for Sie
"Vergessen Sie nicht..."

[fervent kernel]

Okay

But for the first sentence

Is packen at the end

Or after Rucksack

[lavish marlin]

at the end

[fervent kernel]

Okay thanks

[lavish marlin]

and in this case "nicht" should be at the end

[fervent kernel]

So for the first sentence we have : Schliesslich müsst ihr in euren 70 Liter Rucksack einen Kompass, eine Wanderkarte , ein Zelt und einen Schlafsack packen

[lavish marlin]

👍

[fervent kernel]

Is this sentence correct now that i corrected it :

Dann in Bezug auf das Kochen : nehmt Sandwiches und Wasser für die Picknicks .

@lavish marlin

[lavish marlin]

looks good

maybe "mitbringen" would fit better though

"bringt .... für die Picknicks mit"

is Picknicks supposed to be plural?

[fervent kernel]

Yes it is

So i should say : Bringt Sandwiches und Wasser für die Picknicks mit

[lavish marlin]

yes

[lavish marlin]

Also I'm not sure about "Kochen". You could use "Essen" instead, unless I misunderstood and you meant cooking

[fervent kernel]

No you didnt misunderstood 😂

Thank you

[ivory forge]

Hallo , ich habe eine Frage. Was bedeutet das 'abends abschalten' ?

[lavish marlin]

could you provide more context?

[fervent scroll]

isn't it like relax?

[lavish marlin]

It could mean "To disconnect (from electricity, social media etc.) at evening" (in order to relax) or it could mean "To turn off an electronic device at evening"

"abends" means that it happens regularly at evening

[ivory forge]

Here's the paragraph I'm trying to translate: Um „Leisure Sickness“ zu verhindern, müssen wir unsere Einstellung zu uns selbst
ändern, erklärt Carsten Watzl: „Man sollte sich von dem Gedanken lösen, dass man nur
dann gemocht wird, wenn man möglichst viel leistet.“ Wenn man das geschafft hat,
kann man auch etwas gegen den Stress tun: häufiger Pausen machen, abends
abschalten und auch mal Nein sagen. Dann kann der Urlaub kommen – ganz ohne
„Freizeitkrankheit“.

[lavish marlin]

then the first meaning would fit better

[ivory forge]

Relax ?

[lavish marlin]

"unwind" is a good translation

[ivory forge]

@lavish marlin @fervent scroll I am so appreciate , thank you 🙏

[golden cradle]

please reference the OP when you crosspost

[golden cradle]

unwind in the evening

[golden cradle]

(i like this content^^)

[ivory forge]

I can send you the PDF if you want to read the whole thing

[golden cradle]

ah in that context, i’d use switch off (just a small optimization)

[golden cradle]

i don’t think i’ll get around to reading it, but if you have it at hand why not!^^

[lavish marlin]

Actually, it would be better not to post the same question in multiple channels in the first place. That way people won't have to respond to a question that has already been answered. You have to remember that people are doing this in their free time and sometimes getting an answer might take a bit - but feel free to repost it after a while if you think that people might not see it (for example, if no one responded and people would have to scroll up to see the question)
@solar haven

[solar haven]

Okay, of course. Sorry.

[fervent kernel]

I have a question

I have a question

ok

shoot

[long whale]

Whatever your question is, please do not cross-post. :)

[fervent kernel]

yes ofc

so

basically

i wanted to present some places with interests during a hike

and i said

Die Interessen

but it sounds weird

so what could I use

[long whale]

If you keep posting like this, you will be automatically banned (because the bot will think you're spamming). Just saying.

[fervent kernel]

ah okay 😭

[long whale]

That's because it is. You wouldn't use "das Interesse/die Interessen" for "point/s of interest".

[fervent kernel]

yes but idk what to use instead i fetched for it on Linguee

But I didn't find much of an answer

you vould say An diesem ort ist eines der Interessanteren dinge zb.das museum oder

[long whale]

You can enter a full sentence into deepl - that will def. help. ;)

[golden cradle]

(a subtype of POIs: sights = Sehenswürdigkeiten)

[fervent kernel]

In order to bring the subject I asked a question : Was sind die Interessen dieser Wanderung?

[long whale]

see above

[golden cradle]

ig
interessante(n) Stellen/Plätze/Orte/Punkte

i might even use DeepL myself for this tho, lol

[fervent kernel]

It seems great thank you for your precious help

So is this question better :

Was sind die Sehenswürdigkeiten dieser Wanderung?

[long whale]

Frankly, if you said that, I'd assume the whole place was quite, quite boring. 🤷 As in: There's nothing much worth seeing there, but one of the less boring/more interesting places is the museum. ;)

[long whale]

Much better. I'd have said "auf dieser Wanderung" (during this hike), but for a beginner, yours would work. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Thank you!

Is it correct to say

Die Sehenswürdigkeiten auf dieser Wanderung sind sehr zahlreich

bcs the place of the verb doesn't seem right

[long whale]

Placement of verb is fine. The sightseeing spots need to be in plural, though.

[fervent kernel]

yes 😊

[nova sparrow]

It would sound smoother from this thought:
There are many/numerous POI's ...

[fervent kernel]

what is a POI ?

Point of improvement?

[nova sparrow]

Points of Interests 😄

[fervent kernel]

this is what I wanted to say

but isn't it what i said ?

[nova sparrow]

Try it with
Es gibt ... in the beginning

[fervent kernel]

Es gibt viele Sehenswürdigkeiten auf dieser Wanderung ?*

Thank you

[nova sparrow]

You're welcome 😄

[fervent kernel]

If I say : Zuerst, wir mehrere historische Denkmäler besichtigen können

is the place of the verb correct?

[nova sparrow]

put the verb as early as possible 🙂

and leave the comma away

[fervent kernel]

Zuerst können wir mehrere historische Denkmäler besichtigen

Is this sentence correct :Zum Beispiel das berühmte Schloss Neuschwanstein , das von LLudwig II. von Bayern erbaut im 19. Jahrhundert wurde.

because long phrases are kinda tricky to me

nein

Wait i will write you the cooret sentences

thanks 🙂

Zum Beispiel das berühmte Schloss Neuschwanstein, wurde von ludwig dem 2 im 19 Jahrhundert erbaut.

ludwig dem 2 aus bayern iam sorry

Thank you for your help ^^

no problem

[fervent kernel]

Do we always have to put the verb as early as possible?

yeah kind of but sometimes in other tenses its different but now i would say yes

and for the past tense

for example

Dieser Ort hat Walt Disney für die Kreation des Dornröschen Schlosses inspiriert

i put the verbal base in the beginning

the auxiliar i mean

and the other at the end

yeah the sentense is right

[long whale]

In a main clause, the [conjugated part of the] verb must always be in Pos. 2 ;)

Nothing to do with tenses.

[fervent kernel]

okay

but you cant always put the verb in the front its different in tenses or do i missed st ?

[long whale]

Please show me an example where #questions-2 message doesn't apply. ;)

In whichever tense.

[fervent kernel]

should I say when i'm talking dem zweiten ?

[long whale]

In Dativ, yes.

[fervent kernel]

okay thanks

I have a question when do we know when to use either in or im?

[long whale]

faq contractions

[stoic mauve]

Contractions

A contraction (Verschmelzung or Schmelzwort) is a shortened form of a word or group of words created by omitting letters and sounds. Common examples of contractions in English are:

I'm = I am
won't = will not
let's = let us
-'re = are (e.g. we're walking home)

Contractions are often used in German, especially with prepositions and definite articles that take the accusative or dative (never the genitive). For example, zu dem is often shortened to zum, as seen here:

Pferd geht zum Zahnarzt.

Some contractions with prepositions are so common (see below) that they are effectively manadatory in normal speech. Writing the full form has the effect of emphasising the definite article, indicating that you are referring to a specific object. For example:

Pferd geht zu dem Zahnarzt, der ihm gestern empfohlen wurde.

Common contractions in German

These contractions are used very often and are acceptable in formal German.

ans = an das
am = an dem
beim = bei dem
im = in dem
ins = in das
vom = von dem
zum = zu dem
zur = zu der

Additionally, the pronoun es is often contracted when it comes directly after the verb in certain set phrases. For example, the greeting Wie geht es dir? is often contracted to Wie geht's dir?

Contractions in informal German

Contracting the article das to -s in prepositions is very commonly used in informal, spoken German, and sometimes appears in formal German in set phrases.

aufs = auf das
durchs = durch das
fürs = für das
übers = über das
ums = um das
unters = unter das

Contracting the article dem to -m is relatively common in spoken German with almost all prepositions. For example:

hinterm = hinter dem
überm = über dem
unterm = unter dem

Contracting the other articles can also occur, but this is relatively rare.

[golden cradle]

maybe you meant interessantesten

[cold iris]

Can someone tell me what's being said in German at this timestamp? It sounds like "Er ist/erst ein älterer Mann kann helfen" but that's ungrammatical nonsense.

It's right after "Nach den Russischen Besatzern sind Uniformen nicht gern gesehen"

https://youtu.be/XggVS_vvuQE?t=360

[golden cradle]

*Erst ein …

[cold iris]

That's something I thought too but it didn't make sense to me either. What does it mean in English? the verb seems in the wrong place but idk i am confused

[long whale]

See 2. here: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/erst

[golden cradle]

the order in English is diff as well:
Only an older man can help.

[long whale]

The [conjugated part of the] verb is in Pos. 2 - as it should be, in any main clause. ;)

[cold iris]

ahh becuase "Erst ein älterer Mann" is the first part. Ok

[golden cradle]

oh true lol

[cold iris]

Thanks both of you

[golden cradle]

the erst(/only) kinda means eventually,

[long whale]

Isn't it pretty much the same in English as in German? We talked to X, Y and Z. It was only when we started talking to this older man that we got help - no?

[cold iris]

Yeah that works

[jaunty flax]

if you were to say "is mine" would "ist meine" be correct?

[nova sparrow]

gehört mir ...

[golden cradle]

correct?
depending on context yeah. The referenced property has to have female grammatical gender.
but even then usually you’ll want Bernie’s translation

[long whale]

Depends on the gender of the thing which is yours.

[jaunty flax]

what would be the difference between a feminine/masculine noun then?

or would it only be correct if its neutral?

[long whale]

die Tasche -> meine; der Stift -> meiner; das Handy -> mein[e]s

[jaunty flax]

thank u!

[golden cradle]

MEINS!

[nova sparrow]

or (for all)
gehört mir

[golden cradle]

der Ring -> mein Schatz

[nova sparrow]

Sei doch nicht so gierig 😉

[golden cradle]

-.-’tschuldigung

[nova sparrow]

my precious!

[long whale]

a) they'd still need to know the gender (der/die/das gehört mir), and b) I'd say one is about as common as the other, don't you think?

[nova sparrow]

Of course you are right 👍 ❤️

[golden cradle]

actually no, i disagree ||||

[nova sparrow]

tell us!

[golden cradle]

do i dare to?!

[nova sparrow]

🤣

[golden cradle]

after Susana’s hint i’m realizing that ig in everyday life ist meins would be much more normal to say even.
i was just so taken with your sinngemäße translation that i didn’t notice – thanks for the reality check, Susana!

(i’d actually swallow the is(t):

Das’ meins.
or even closer to reality: Des’ meins.
)

[night dagger]

Woher kommste nochmal?

[nova sparrow]

depending on the region you are in maybe
g'hört mir 😄

[golden cradle]

Darmstadt bei Frankfurt, Hessen

[night dagger]

achso

ergibt Sinn

ich frag, weil meine Freundin so gut wie immer "des" statt "das" sagt

[nova sparrow]

Sie kommt eher aus dem Süden Deutschlands?

[night dagger]

also BW

[nova sparrow]

dann macht des Sinn 😄

[night dagger]

Hohenlohe

um genauer zu sein

[night dagger]

genau ;)

[golden cradle]

meins ist eher so dös, das ö ~~ wie in Köpper, aber much less engaged ’xD

[night dagger]

ich hab das mehrmals in dieser Region bemerkt

[nova sparrow]

Aber um Ehrlich zu sein, auch in Bayern wird aus das schnell des 😉

[nova sparrow]

Du kennst den Weißwurstäquator?

[golden cradle]

the Bockwurst Belt

[nova sparrow]

I'm not so sure 🤔

[golden cradle]

i wasn’t stating an assertion, just a random pun mashed up from Weißwurstäquator and Bible Belt

[long whale]

Doesn't work too well, since the Bible Belt consists of several states, i.e. it's an area, and a pretty big one, right? While der Weißwurstäquator is just a line/river separating North from South. ;)

[night dagger]

na kar, den Aldi-Äquator auch :)

[long whale]

Also, equating Weißwurst and Bockwurst is just... sacrilege. Heinous.

[golden cradle]

what do you expect from a vegan

[long whale]

Nah, that isn't food, that's culture! :D

[nova sparrow]

Aber der Aldi-Äquator ist deutlich nördlicher!

[golden cradle]

what river is it?

[long whale]

Der Main

[golden cradle]

kennich!

ok, nicht gut genug. Fließt der durch Frankfurt od— ok ja tut er lol – Frankfurt/Main.
ich bin so unglaublich schlecht in Geographie, das schlägt dem Fass den Boden aus!

[long whale]

Apparently there are various... interpretations, though: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weißwurstäquator 🤯

[golden cradle]

das würde heißen, ich lebe im Weißwurstbelt, hab ich aber nicht mitbekommen

also ich meine, in Darmstadt wird nicht viel Weißwurst~~ gegessen ~~-Kultur gelebt

[nova sparrow]

Immerhin haben sie Glühwein dort !!!

[golden cradle]

das stimmt allerdings!

den hat’s aber allerorts in Schland, oder?

[nova sparrow]

Na, ich weiß nicht 🤔

[golden cradle]

wo denn möglicherweise nicht?

[nova sparrow]

na im Norden, da gibt's dann Grog!

[urban oxide]

Wir gehen an einem Park vorbei, dann sehen wir...

Warum ist es "an einem Park" hier und nicht akkusativ?

[urban oxide]

Bitte klingen Sie mir wenn Sie antworten

[cold iris]

I'm not a native speaker but from what I see on Duden, when vorbeigehen is paired with the preposition "an" it just seems to be a rule that it's dative. But i'm not 100% sure.

[urban oxide]

ohh

vorbeigehen is a separable verb here?

I see

[cold iris]

Guess I was right. Yeah it's separable

[urban oxide]

I also remember seeing Gehen wir zum/zur X vorbei

so it seems like vorbeigehen generally takes dative no matter the preposition

Thanks! :)

[cold iris]

well zu is always dative. But I saw some examples on Duden that were akkusativ

[urban oxide]

oops

my bad

[cold iris]

oh wait

[urban oxide]

can you please share those examples

[cold iris]

nevermind I think I was mistaken. It seems to be dative always

[urban oxide]

I see

thanks again

[cold iris]

np

[narrow pier]

Hallo leute, das ist eine Aufzählungpunkt auf Wekipedia vom Thema ( Adjektivdeklination )
° abgeleitete Adjektive auf -er (die Türme des Bremer Doms; Zweierbeziehung; in den achtziger Jahren)

so my question is, how can I say or define that ( achtziger ) is adjektiv, what is its indication, like what does it describe, the time?

and what does really ( Zweierbeziehung ) mean?

[nova sparrow]

achtziger Jahre describes (as you wrote) the time: which years? the eighties, not the seventies, nor the nineties
Zweierbeziehung: relationship between 2

[long whale]

Zweierbeziehung = romantic relationship, as between a couple

[nova sparrow]

I thought about: has it always to be a romantic relationship? 🤔

[long whale]

If it were a time span, as in "for 80 years", "over 80 years", the number wouldn't be declined: achtzig Jahre

[long whale]

To my knowledge, unless otherwise specified, it refers to a love-thing, yes.

The examples provided by DWDS seem to bear this out: https://www.dwds.de/wb/Zweierbeziehung

[nova sparrow]

Ofc it's the first, that comes to mind 😃
Thanks for the clarification -> (as always) 🥰

[narrow pier]

Vielen dank

[narrow pier]

So in the ( die Türme des Bremer dorms) this kind of is a sign of love, or what does the sentence really mean by ( relationship between two) the only relationship they have is they are joined together and only destructiom tears them apart😂

[nova sparrow]

No there is no romantic relationship between the 2 towers 😉 🤔 (I suppose)
The example refers to the Dom of Bremen and its towers

[long whale]

Huh? Those were just examples for adjectives ending in -er: Bremen (German city), adjective for things/people pertaining to Bremen: Bremer

Better example: Swiss cheese = Schweizer Käse (der Käse) vs. Swiss chocolate = Schweizer Schokolade (die Schokolade)

Pertaining to the country/Of the country/Typical for the country of Switzerland (die Schweiz)

[narrow pier]

I do not get you sorry, I asked my question according to deepls tanslation

[long whale]

I don't get you, either. The towers of the Bremen Dome (not Dorm) don't have anything to do with "Zweierbeziehung". 🤷

[nova sparrow]

Dom, from latin Domus (house) -> a specific church (afaik) where a bishop resides

[golden cradle]

owo echt jetzt?
Grog klingt für mich wie etwas, was nur früher und in einer englischsprachigen Region getrunken wurde.
Und was ist Grog eigentlich genau? (kannst mich auch gerne einfach googeln schicken hehe)

(und moinmoin übrigens)

[nova sparrow]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Grog

[nova sparrow]

ohh, falsche seite

http://teetied-spiekeroog.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2.jpg

Spiekeroog ist nicht wirklich England 🤣

[golden cradle]

was gelernt^^
insb. auch woher groggy kommt :DD

[nova sparrow]

👍 🤓

[golden cradle]

(Admiral Vernon aber, von dem wohl der Name stammt:

Man bringt die Bezeichnung mit dem englischen Admiral Vernon in Verbindung, der 1740 seinen Matrosen befiehlt, den Rum nur mit Wasser vermischt zu trinken. Einer bis ins Ende des 18. Jhs. zurückgehenden Überlieferung zufolge trug dieser Admiral wegen seines Rocks aus Kamelhaar (engl. grogram ‘grober Stoff, Mischgewebe aus Seide und Wolle’, nach frz. gros grain ‘starker Seidenstoff’, eigentlich ‘grobes Korn’, vgl. lat. grossus ‘dick, grob’, grānum ‘Korn, Kern’) den Spitznamen Old Grog, der auf das Getränk übertragen wird.
)
Essenzielles Grundwissen hier bitte alle mitschreiben

ah ja grad hab ich bisschen klarere Erinnerung: Grog ist ein Piratengetränk! (Oder?)

Piratengetränk bitte auch auf die Vokabellisten

[nova sparrow]

Wobei Admiral < -> Pirat!!!

[golden cradle]

ikr!! verrückt!

[nova sparrow]

Ich denke das Problem bei der frühen Seefahrt generell ist, Wasser lange genug haltbar zu machen und Alkohol hilft da 😮
Mir kommt da das Lied "Wir lagen vor Madagaskar" in den Sinn 🤔

[golden cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttDRe3Nr74

[golden cradle]

🤯
Rum wie Wasser trinken!

eh aber bist du sicher? Das kann doch nicht gesund sein

[nova sparrow]

Nee, sicher bin ich nicht, war ja nicht dabei 🤷‍♂️

[golden cradle]

schade, war bestimmt lustig!!

[narrow pier]

Thank you

[fervent kernel]

Is this sentence well-written : Es gibt auch die beeindruckenden Ruinen der Burg Eisenberg , die im 14. Jahrhundert erbaut wurde.

[golden cradle]

ja, bloß kein Leerzeichen vor dem Komma

[nova sparrow]

Eagle-eye!

[golden cradle]

Es gibt klingt mir allerdings ein bisschen holprig. Wenn du mehr Kontext gibst, können wir die Fomulierung vlt. noch optimieren

[long whale]

Hey, the guy's green, i.e. a beginner. ;) Plus, depending on context, it wouldn't even sound clumsy.

[golden cradle]

ganz vielen lieben Dank! Das ist tatsächlich eine Stärke aber auch eine große Schwäche° von mir, mein Sinn fürs Detail.
° daher tut mir was Positives dazu total gut

[narrow pier]

When I do not understand a word like this its very strange to me, so what does ( Zweierbeziehung ) in " Die Türme des Bremer Doms;Zweierbeziehung;in den achtziger Jahren )
What relationship does the word describe, also I looked at some sentences in DWDs, it just means realtionship, but in my sentence , it confuses me. Also I think if a word confuses me that much, I should just look at DWDS, if I can not understand just move on ? Because there are so many words I do not know ?

[nova sparrow]

die Türme des Bremer Doms Zweierbeziehung achtziger Jahre

[golden cradle]

oh, würdest du also tendenziell abraten, bei Anfänger*innen Wortwahl-Optimierungen anzubieten?

[golden cradle]

grün ist ja erst mal unklar; A(nfänger*innen 😉 ) sind purpur. Aber ist es deine Erfahrung hier, dass v.a. A-ler*innen sich keine Sprachniveau-Rolle geben?

[long whale]

Judging from my own language learning experience, yes.

[golden cradle]

ist glaube ich guter Rat, Susana, besonders für mich – danke schön!^^

cw: schlüpfriger Witz

The … Dome … don't have anything to do with "Zweierbeziehung"
||mit einer Ausnahme:
Was ist der größte Dom der Welt?||
||Kölner Dom – 1.200 Sitzplätze.
Was ist der kleinste Dom der Welt?||
||Kondom – 1 Stehplatz|| scnr

[narrow pier]

Those are all adjectives?

Why does wekipedia use that hard level of vocabulary, I could not even fully understand the english

[golden cradle]

Zweierbeziehung = relationship among 2 participants
Dreierbeziehung = relationship among 3 participants (e.g. polyamoric)
and so on
(the relationship will typically be romantic (/sexual) but not necessarily)

[long whale]

Yes, they are all adjectives. Remember? That was the title of the article: adjectives ending in -er

[golden cradle]

but not necessarily
like it could also be something abstract, like the relatedness of words

[narrow pier]

Is it okay if I ask what wortwahl optimierung is? I am sorry 😅

[narrow pier]

Dabke

Danke

[golden cradle]

ofc always! That’s literally what we’re here for haha!
in this case you can simply translate the constituent words literally: word choice optimization

[narrow pier]

Wth?

[golden cradle]

by optimization i tried to express that the (potential) improvement is only small – not important

[golden cradle]

Bremen + -er = Bremer = aus Bremen
Genitiv (?)

[glass hawk]

Grün ist einfach die beste Farbe; wenn ich sie behalten kann, gebe ich die Sprachniveau-Rolle gerne auf. 😛

[narrow pier]

Oh okay, I understood from your message you sent to sussana, saying ( you advise against using hard words against beginners learning German

[narrow pier]

Vielen dank

[golden cradle]

huh, me? Which msg was that?

ah, ig you paraphrased a bit

makes sense tho at second reading, yeah 👍 🙂

[golden cradle]

hmm

faq genitiv

[stoic mauve]

When do I use the genitive case?

The genitive case is mainly used:

- to link nouns, especially when showing possession

Dies ist der größte Bahnhof der Welt.
Die Hälfte des Kuchens gehört mir.
Es gibt noch einen Strahl der Hoffnung.

For proper names, the order is reversed and an 's' is attached to the proper name as long as it does not end with an 's' sound.

Deutschlands längster Fluss ist der Rhein.

- to mark the object of very few transitive verbs

Empfindliche Haut bedarf besonderer Pflege.
Heute gedenkt die Nation des Jahrestages der Verfassung.
Wir harren einer Antwort.

- after some prepositions

The following prepositions are commonly followed by the genitive case in written German, but usually with the dative case in spoken German:

(an)statt, trotz, während, wegen

Prepositions denoting position are usually followed by the genitive case:

außerhalb, innerhalb, oberhalb, unterhalb, jenseits

A great number of prepositions that are only used in formal German, such as:

angesichts, bezüglich, einschließlich, fernab, infolge, namens, seitens, zugunsten

- by adverbials of indefinite time

Eines Tages werde ich Deutsch beherrschen.
Sonntags sind wir meist unterwegs.
Eines Nachts hörte ihr Vater sie weinen.

Note the declension in the last sentence. Although it is die Nacht, it assumes a similar form as the rest.

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[fervent kernel]

Hallo, ich bin Franzose. Könnte mir bitte jemand helfen, ein Audio in Allement zu verstehen?

[golden cradle]

ok, anscheinend ist Bremer nicht Genitiv (?)

[golden cradle]

bienvenu*e ! 🙂
für mich kommt’s auf die Länge an, aber wir können ja mal anfangen

[narrow pier]

oh, würdest du also tendenziell abraten, bei Anfänger*innen Wortwahl-Optimierungen anzubieten?

[long whale]

Nope. It's an adjective. A special case, those -er adjectives relating to places, since they don't get declined.

[fervent kernel]

1. wollen Sie etwas verkaufen? oder 2. wollen Sie was verkaufen?

[golden cradle]

beides. 2 ist salopp

[fervent kernel]

1. was machen Sie da? oder 2. was machen denn Sie da?

[golden cradle]

oh, hast du salopp schon selbst nachgeschlagen? Magst du die Antwort teilen?^^

1 gut
2 geeeht, aber besser: *Sie denn

denn Sie würde das Sie betonen, also was machen gerade Sie da und nicht jemand anderes

[fading jungle]

Can someone pls tell me akkusativ nd nominativ
and also that der den die das pls

[timid vector]

Was genau bedeutet salopp eigentlich? Bei Bedeutungen heißt es nur umgangssprachlich, oder?

[timid vector]

go to #botchannel and type >faq Nominativ

or Akkusativ

and also gender

[long whale]

I think "informal" is a pretty good translation.

[golden cradle]

& @fervent kernel

salopp ist ein Adjektiv in der Bedeutung von „unbekümmert zwanglos, die Nichtachtung gesellschaftlicher Formen ausdrückend“.
es kann also respektlos wirken, wenn man mit der angesprochenen Person kein gutes persönliches Verhältnis hat

ist also auch gut für Freundschafts-Countersignaling geeignet

[narrow pier]

in Nummerierungssystemen für Abschnitte und Kapitel: weiter mit A [gelesen: groß A]; vereinzelt: Bad mit warm Wasser)[29]

what does this really mean, that in this situation, no declension for adjektiv needed

@long whale sorry some messages came after my question that why I ping you

[fervent kernel]

Entschuldingen Sie @long whale , what are the questions to be asked to recognize a Dative of Accusative case?

[long whale]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Do you think you could give me an example?

[narrow pier]

its ( Wem ) oder ( Was )

I know you asked susana

that might be the answer though, to know what object is the dativ

@fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

for example, why is it: "Ich gebe ihm (der Mann) ein Geschenk" and not "Ich gebe ihn (der Mann) ein Geschenk"

[long whale]

You can think of it as "To whom (indirect object -> Dativ) do I (subject, Nominativ) give a present (direct object -> Akkusativ)?" However, in the end, it's kind of... arbitrary. Some verbs require Dativ, and the list is not that long. ;)

[fervent kernel]

should I say : Die positiven Aspekte auf dieser Wanderung sind sehr zahlreich instead of Die positiven Aspekte dieser Wanderung sind sehr zahlreich?

[long whale]

I'd go with the 2nd.

[fervent kernel]

Okay thanks

and is this sentence correct :

ist das richtig?: Bei ihnen fühle ich immer sehr gut

Ausserdem werden wir wunderbare Ausblicke auf die Alpen geniessen.

i feel like something is missing

[long whale]

No, the verb is reflexive: sich fühlen

[long whale]

If you're talking about the Alps, please don't say "alpine Berge". It sounds... strange. Say "die Alpen" instead.

[fervent kernel]

is it good now ?

[fervent kernel]

bitte Schreiben Sie der richtig Satz

[long whale]

Why? What's the reflexive for "ich"?

How would you say "I'm washing myself" in German?

[fervent kernel]

nein

what would be the correct form of this sentence? "Bei ihnen fühle ich immer sehr gut"

[charred harbor]

den richtigen*

[fervent scroll]

look up reflexive verbs

sich fühlen is a reflexive verb

[long whale]

And instead of spoon-feeding you the answer, I'm trying to get you to write a correct sentence yourself. ;)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vNzCDO6IgaU/maxresdefault.jpg

[fervent kernel]

just out of curiosity, is there also dative reflexive?

[fervent kernel]

ich wasche mich

[fervent scroll]

yeah

when there's another accusative object

ich wasche mir die Hände

[long whale]

Nice. So, now insert it after "ich" in your original sentence, and it's fine. ;)

[fervent kernel]

ich fühle mich sehr gut bei Ihnen

but then the translation to English would be a bit weird: I feel myself very well by your side

One would just say: I feel very well by your side

[fervent scroll]

yes, when you translate sentences, you don't just translate them word by word

because different languages express things differently

[fervent kernel]

true

[urban musk]

Not comfortable with sharing a google doc, but if someone could correct this small paragraph, that would mean the world to me 🙏 May I send it through here via just text?

[dusty scaffold]

are there any mistakes?

[proven sphinx]

"jungen" should be in lower case in the title, and the last sentence sounds a bit odd, even though it's grammatically correct. Maybe it should be more something like: "und schickten Geld nach Afrika, zum Beispiel."

[dusty scaffold]

Okay, thanks

[urban musk]

I'm only eight weeks into german class, but here's something I would like to see corrected, I would appreciate it

Meine Eltern heißen (redacted name) und (redacted name). Meine Mutter ist dreiundvierzig Jahre alt und mein Vater ist siebenundvierzig Jahre alt. Sie wohnen bei (redacted city). Meine Mutter ist Geschäftsinhaber und mein Vater ist Ingenieur. Mein Vater spielt gern Videospiele und manchmal am freitagabends wir spielen zusammen. Unser Lieblingsvideospiel ist „World of Warcraft.“ Dieser Herbst spielen wir zusammen nicht. Meine Mutter gern lesen. Manchmal reisen wir. Ich habe mehr Hobbys als meine Eltern. Die nur Geschwister habe ich ist einen Bruder und er auch Videospiele spielen. Er heißt (redacted name) und er ist sechzehn Jahre alt. Er macht nichts und wohnen mit die Familie. Wir haben auch einen Hund und zwei Katzen. Sie sind mein Lieblings. Unser Leben ist nicht sehr interessant und selten fantastisch, aber wir sind oft fein und nie zu miserabel.

[proven sphinx]

Meine Eltern heißen (redacted name) und (redacted name). Meine Mutter ist dreiundvierzig Jahre alt und mein Vater ist siebenundvierzig Jahre alt. Sie wohnen in (redacted city). Meine Mutter ist Geschäftsinhaberin und mein Vater ist Ingenieur. Mein Vater spielt gern Videospiele und manchmal am Freitag Abend spielen wir zusammen. Unser Lieblingsvideospiel ist „World of Warcraft.“ Diesen Herbst spielen wir aber nicht mehr zusammen. Meine Mutter liest gerne. Manchmal reisen wir auch. Ich habe mehr Hobbys als meine Eltern. **Ich habe **einen einzigen Bruder, der auch Videospiele spielt. Er heißt (redacted name) und er ist sechzehn Jahre alt. Er macht nichts und wohnt zusammen mit der Familie. Wir haben auch einen Hund und zwei Katzen. Sie sind meine Lieblingstiere. Unser Leben ist nicht sehr interessant und selten fantastisch, aber uns geht es gut und wir sind nie zu miserabel.

[urban musk]

Okay I see how it is LMAO

Vielen danke 🙏 💖

[proven sphinx]

Be careful about the case endings in particular.

[urban musk]

Those are the killers haha

[proven sphinx]

And it was surprisingly hard to correct your "wir sind fein". You were obviously trying to say "we are fine", but "fein" means something else in German. It means like "fancy/sophisticated".

Oh, wait. "Uns geht es gut". That was it.

jemanden gut gehen = to be fine

[urban musk]

Ooooh ja okay I'll keep that in mind then, danke. Hopefully it isnt too bad progress for eight weeks of learning

[proven sphinx]

No, it's very impressive for someone who's only been learning German for eight weeks! Great job! Keep at it. 😄

[urban musk]

Thats the best thing I heard ever, danke for your service 🙏

[proven sphinx]

Just one more thing, it's very hard to translate "as my only sibling" into German, since German doesn't have a perfect word for "sibling". I think it's best for you to just say "I only have a brother". I corrected it in the text above.

[urban musk]

Oh wow I didnt get that impression while learning about family things in this chapter but thank you for letting me know

[narrow pier]

Does not Geschwester work for sibling?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, "sibling" is a very useful word in English that sadly doesn't exist in many other languages. 😅

[proven sphinx]

"Geschwister" means "siblings" in the plural.

[urban musk]

Dang really? Thats cool to know though!

[narrow pier]

Is also comes in singular, ne ?

You are right, sorry, its Geschwester

[urban musk]

Yeah I intended for the sentence to read: "The only siblings I have is a brother and he also plays video games."

But...

now I see that doesnt read perfectly either ☠️

[proven sphinx]

Ehhhh, it's almost never used in the singular. It feels weird.

[urban musk]

Love how my english is already deteriorating

[narrow pier]

So never say in German I have a sibling, just if you wanted ,say in plural, damn, I have used that beforey thank you

[proven sphinx]

It wouldn't work in German because "siblings" is plural, so you'd expect another plural to follow.

"Die einzigen Geschwister, die ich habe, sind mein Bruder Peter und meine Schwester Anna."

This would work.

But it doesn't work with just one sibling.

[urban musk]

Well I sure wish I was taught this haha, but maybe we'll cover it in the future

[proven sphinx]

You just directly say whether you have a brother or a sister.

[urban musk]

We havent gotten to anything advanced ofc, but I'm impressed with how much has been covered still

[proven sphinx]

"Hast du Geschwister?"
"Ich habe nur einen Bruder."

That's how that conversation would go in German.

[narrow pier]

Yeah, I get it now thank you,

Ich begreife es jetzt danke

Passt hier begriefen?

[narrow pier]

Macht Sinn ( as in makes semse, Idk if it exists in German)

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das passt schon.

[proven sphinx]

It does exist, but some people take issue with it, since they perceive it as an anglicism.

More "correct" would be "Sinn ergeben".

[urban musk]

Oh yeah that would be a bit in bad tastes huh

[proven sphinx]

However, those people are fighting a losing battle because it's extremely common.

[nova sparrow]

Whent talking about siblings and you only have a brother (or a sister) it's sufficient to mention mein(e) einzige(r) Bruder/Schwester and you've got it covered 😄

[proven sphinx]

Yes, exactly.

[urban musk]

I hear German mix up english into their German sometimes as well (I could be wrong). I can see how something like that would easily be done out of mere ignorance but I already thought of how translating sayings directly doesnt quite work and will avoid doing so

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I'd advise against using it, since many teachers might still take issue with it.

[nova sparrow]

Yeah, Denglisch is quite common 😦

[urban musk]

I'm less worried about my grade and more worried about respect, but ty for letting me know it could impact my grade 🙏

I really like my professor and bet she would take issue with it; she really knows her stuff.

[proven sphinx]

There have been dozens of articles written about whether "Sinn machen" is correct or not. It's a hot-button issue right now. 😂

So yeah, just say "Sinn ergeben" and be on the safe side.

[urban musk]

I will take note of that

[nova sparrow]

Or avoid it comletely by saying:
das ist logisch
Ich verstehe
Alles klar

[proven sphinx]

Ja, aber kein Mensch sagt das, Alter.

[urban musk]

Lmao

[nova sparrow]

better now?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, a bit. 😂

But "Ich verstehe" is more like "I see" and "alles klar" is "all right". Not exactly the same as "Makes sense".

[nova sparrow]

therefore: das ist logisch!

[urban musk]

Thank you all for your inputs once again <3

[cedar violet]

hallo ich bin finn, i started learning german yesterday and im not sure if im doing well, i know about 20-30 words but understand some words in sentences because they sound like english. Does anyone have any tips?

[urban musk]

I'm only eight weeks in, but I would double check those words you think you know bc they sound like english, because some words sound like such in english but mean different things in German, even some very basic words such as "Wo."

I would probably do that first and foremost

[cedar violet]

yeah

thank you!

do you want to be friends and practice together? i have another friend whos good at german too

[urban musk]

Another things is you've got to find something that works for you specifically. For instance, I learn via college classes because I need that pressure and discipline and I know this about myself very well

[cedar violet]

oh alright

[urban musk]

Haha I'm not in this server too much (though I do want to be!) but I probably wont be the best learning partner simply bc I'm not that good at maintaining conversations lol. I have my own circles to tend to and beyond that would stress me out a bit 😭 I do wish you luck on your journey and maybe we can vc in here sometime for learning ;)

[cedar violet]

thank youuu :D

[urban musk]

Are you self-learning?

I think 20-30 words is fine for a day! Definitely going to want a way to learn grammar though bc that's very important

We use a nice book called Treffpunkt Deutsch in class :) it has vocabulary and grammar and such

and culture/history lessons!

[undone verge]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[urban musk]

Fancy!

[low marlin]

Welche Präpositionen soll ich verwenden und warum?

Beschwerst du dich - der Deutschen Post?
Beschwert ihr euch - den schlechten Service?

[nimble hearth]

hat jemand Zeit und Interesse, meine kurze Deutscharbeit zu korrigieren?

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/beschweren

[nova sparrow]

was findest Du denn zu sich beschweren für Möglichkeiten?

[nova sparrow]

Oh, nicht in mehreren Kanälen gleichzeitig posten!

[low marlin]

Okay, entschuldigen

[narrow pier]

Danke

[narrow pier]

[narrow pier]

Mein Leherer hat immer ( logisch ) gesagt, ich denke er wollte das mit beibringen. Amsonsten warum sagt er ( logisch ), wenn es selten ist

[fervent kernel]

Is this sentence correct? : Zuerst in die Schlösser Neuschwanstein und Hohenschwangau gibt es viele Touristen, die die Ruhe stören.

[long whale]

No. "in" + Dativ. The [conjugated part of the] verb must be in Pos. 2. And are you sure you need/want "zuerst" (at first)?

[fervent kernel]

Erstens gibt es in den Schlössern Neuschwanstein und Hohenschwangau viele Touristen , die die Ruhe stören.

Yes bcs i'm establishing a list

Is that correct now?

[long junco]

one last thing

since you are talking about two Schlösser, its "in den Schlössern"

[fervent kernel]

okay

[long whale]

No comma after "Erstens"

[fervent kernel]

Can you explain me why ?

[long junco]

Quote: " Im Dativ Plural bekommen alle Nomen die Endung -n."

Its because you are talking about plural

[fervent kernel]

Okay thank you ^^

[cold iris]

I saw someone on /r/de say "Ich war am Wochenende wandern und..."

Is that grammatical or is it a colloquial thing? As far as I was aware, German doesn't have an exact equivalent to the english "I am/was hiking" etc.

or maybe they left out a "beim" or something

[tropic thistle]

it strikes me as a form of the absentive, for which there is a faq: >faq absentiv — it's not a feature of the formal written language, but occurs in speech (and informal writing)

[cold iris]

Hmm ok I'll check that out. Danke

[dusty scaffold]

Does this sounds weird??

[fair plank]

Yes, say zu beginn not in beginn

[dusty scaffold]

thanks

[nimble viper]

man kann ja mal reden = there's something to be said about that ?

Dieser Spruch oder so scheint aufzutauchen, wenn's um Beziehungen oder Attraktivität geht

eg. Ich weiß immer noch nicht ob er mitgeht, man kann ja mal reden

Or might it be = people talk (rumours spread) ?

[long whale]

More like "let's see what s/he says [if/when we get around to talking aobut it]", I'd say. More or less. 🤔

Or just "We'll talk about it [eventually], I guess" 🤷

[nimble viper]

thanks!

[sand bronze]

Which case do I have to use with the verb “Essen”?

[long whale]

Please don't ask the same question in more than 1 channel. People may not realize a question has been answered elsewhere (as it has) -> waste of time and effort. Also, please be careful: essen = to eat (verb), (das) Essen = food/dish

[narrow pier]

hello, ( Die Kinder sind heute laut ) this is what is in the vedio
( Die Kinder sind laut heute ) This is what I think is right?
are both of these correct?

but I think time adjectives never come at end of sentence, and also a teacher told me that the essence of the sentence always opens and closes the sentence, so for example, in my sentence, the essence is ( Die Kinder sind laut ) meaning laut have to come at end, it must close the sentence, is this true`?

[long whale]

Your reasoning is correct: Die Kinder sind heute laut. ;)

[narrow pier]

ok thank you so much💟

[narrow pier]

Der kleine Hund des lustigen Arztes bringt dem alten Mann den roten Apfel.

the genetiv part ( des lustigen Artzes ), is it considered seperate part of the subject?

meaning ( Der kleine Hund des lustigen Arztes ) is not one element, right?

des lustigen Arztes is object? I am not sure. Danke für die Mithilfe

[long whale]

Yes, the Genitiv part is considered a part of the subject. In English, it would be the same: The funny doctor's small dog brought...

Therefore, I think you could consider it as 1 element.

[narrow pier]

Herzlichen dank. Ich mochte mich vergewissern, dass ich es richtig erfasst habe

Would erfassen wrk here?
And I use deepl for ( to make sure ) ot sure if its Richtig

[long whale]

*möchte - yes.

@narrow pier

[narrow pier]

But it has to be in past like (I wanted to do that)
I wanted to make sure

[narrow pier]

Why präsens sorry

[long whale]

-> wollte (ich mochte = I liked)

[narrow pier]

Ok so Ich wollte mich vergewissern, dass ich es richtig erfasst habe

[narrow pier]

And präsens would not really fit well, since I wanted to do that, ❤️

[long whale]

*vergewissern - yes.

(I see "mochte" where it doesn't work, I automatically assume it ought to have been "möchte", that's all. ;) )

[narrow pier]

ja

[rare silo]

is this phrase correct : "ich fahre nicht allein mit dem Auto" ?

[fallow spire]

jea

but "alleine" would be better

[long junco]

its the second one, although Salami is feminine so its "Nimm die Salami aus der Packung"

it is definetly feminine

no joke

I googlet it as well, for me it says its both but i have NEVER heard "der Salami" in my entire life xD

the Duden says feminine and masculine so..

Kein Ding

[raven matrix]

Is this sentence grammatically correct: Der nachttisch ist zwischen dem bett und der kommode.

[charred harbor]

The grammar is looking good but you should be capitalising the nouns

[fervent scroll]

no

it's between both of them

not just the bed

zwischen is also the preposition of the Kommode

[long junco]

"zwischen wem oder was?"

[raven matrix]

Is this grammatically correct: Auf dem Nachttisch steht eine Lampe, ein Wecker und zwei Kerzen

[tame beacon]

I'd say 'stehen' instead of 'steht' maybe? But I'm not quite sure

[raven matrix]

I also think it is stehen, because it is plural. However, word grammar corrector insists on steht. If someone could clarify please 😭

[tame beacon]

Hm, that's weird, perhaps it's an exception, I don't know

https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/zwiebelfisch/zwiebelfisch-gebrochener-marmorstein-a-421134.html
Well, that's interesting

So 'stehen' would be correct

[raven matrix]

why?

[tame beacon]

Because the subject is plural

Auf dem Nachttisch stehen eine Lampe, ein Wecker und zwei Kerzen.

[fervent kernel]

Does this explanation also work to understand why here is accusative? : "Ich kenne sie (Paula) schon lange."

[long whale]

"kennen" requires Akkusativ, yes, if that's what you're asking...

[viral obsidian]

Hey

[fervent kernel]

is "sie" an direct object?

in that sentence

[long whale]

Yes. You can even see it in the English version: I have known her (not: she) for a long time. ;)

[fervent kernel]

so, can I say?: "Ich glaube dich (akk) kein Wort"

[long whale]

Ehhh - no. "glauben" is one of the Dativ verbs: jemandem (Dativ) etwas (Akk) glauben. As I said, it's pretty arbitrary, and you'll have to check a dictionary

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön

[fervent kernel]

Kann ich sagen: "ich fühle mir kein Progress machen"?

[nova sparrow]

no
try sth like
Ich habe das Gefühl, ...
Ich glaube, ...

[fervent kernel]

Ich glaube mir kein Progress machen...

[golden cradle]

alla, ich find’s grad richtig krass, dass deepl nicht weiß, was du coup heißt (weißt du): https://www.deepl.com/translator#auto/auto/du coup
Obwohl das so omnipräsent ist. Aber für Umgangssprache hat deepl dann vlt. einfach eine miserable Datenbasis.

[nova sparrow]

Try tro substitute progress and think about mir

[long whale]

Ist es? Omnipräsent? Wo?

[nova sparrow]

bei mir hat sich der "du coup" auch noch nicht vorgestellt 🤣
oder vielleicht ist es ja eine sie? 🤔

[golden cradle]

The informal French adverb du coup, pronounced "due coo," is one of those little details of language that pop up everywhere but leave people at a loss to explain. You'll rarely see it taught in any French class, but if you eavesdrop on a conversation in France, you might hear it in every other sentence.
(— https://www.thoughtco.com/du-coup-vocabulary-1371191 )

[golden cradle]

weiß ich auch nicht, hab mich nicht getraut zu fragen

[nova sparrow]

so it's like communque / magari in italian? 🤔

[long whale]

I see... Well, one of the problems might be that deepl - like any native speaker - works best when given context. ;) Another might be that if it's used mainly as a filler in spoken French, deepl hasn't come across it often enough? (No idea how it works, tbh) 🤷

[golden cradle]

yeah

[cunning patio]

can someone please tell me how to say, hi my name is mia what is your name.

[long whale]

If you'd just like a quick translation, please use deepl.com ;)

Otherwise, please try yourself, first.

[vital iris]

Hallo freunde

Was ist der unterschied zwischen solch und solcherlei

[plush pelican]

How would you pluralize my name in German? This page (https://www.deutschplus.net/pages/s-Verdoppelung) says when a noun ends in -us, you add an -se, so "Argusse"?

I'm trying to talk about how in Greek Myth, there are multiple Arguses

[tiny parrot]

When do you use "Wenn" and "Wann"

[wise pendant]

Wann - question
Wenn - condition

[tiny parrot]

Ohhh, ok i got it. thank tou!

[wise pendant]

You're welcome 😁

[coral cape]

Wenn spiele ich Fußball, habe ich Knöchelschmerzen. Brauchen ich Pflaster?
does anyone happen to know how accurrate this is?

[delicate tiger]

word order in the first part, verb form in the second sentence