questions-2

[scenic sun]

B1 Niveau

[nimble viper]

Das ist wohl eine Frage….

[shut briar]

Ist rosarot malen eine Redewendung? Ich finde das nicht aber cari von Easy German hat das gesagt

[timid vector]

in which episode?

[nimble sphinx]

etw. rosarot malen -> etw. schön malen -> eine unschöne/schlechte sache als gut darstellen -> so tun als wäre etwas nur gut, obwohl es gar nicht so ist
o. ä. je nach kontext

[long whale]

Yes, it can be. Although in German, we usually say "etwas durch eine rosa Brille sehen/betrachten" -> to see/paint things in an overly optimistic way, being blind to someone's/something's faults. ;)

[sweet wasp]

Wann sagen wir nutzen und wann benutzen? Sind die austauschbar?

[long whale]

Not really. "nutzen" isn't used that often. It's more of a legal term. Like, you're allowed to live in a friend's flat while they're out of town: du darfst die Wohnung nutzen. Or a car. Or a garden. But not really much else. ;)

[sweet wasp]

Thank you 😊

[lament ingot]

Bedeutet "Abstand halten von" und "Abstand nehmen von" gleich?

[narrow pier]

hello, is the genetiv correct,
( Die Gewinner des Lesewettbewerbs erhielten Sachpreise und Einladungen zum landesweiten Wettbewerb im April )
korrigiert mich bitte

[fervent kernel]

Is it odd to use Subjunctive 1 in daily speeches

[undone verge]

if it is used in the proper way, it is not odd.

[fervent kernel]

E.g. Sie sagte, dass er ihr nicht glaube

[undone verge]

yep, would be fine

you will also hear that without K. 1

but it is not weird to speak properly (also not weird to not use it in everyday convo, if that makes sense)

[junior flame]

For saying: "I will keep my fingers crossed" we use the expression "Ich werde Ihnen die Daumen drūcken", what does Ihnen imply here, does it make any sense?

[undone verge]

'for you'

'ich drücke dir die Daumen' it is just part of the construction, the dative pronoun

[narrow pier]

can you correct mine, please?

[narrow pier]

.

[fervent kernel]

Can you give me an example for that? I just started reading this topic

[fervent kernel]

This looks fine to me

Genitive tense is correct

[undone verge]

someone could say 'sie sagte, dass er ihr nicht glaubt'

[narrow pier]

Thank you so much,
how can I know, if its ( die Gewinner des Lesewettbewerbs or Lesewettbewerbes)

[fervent kernel]

That's what i would say i misunderstood you lol 🤦‍♂️

[undone verge]

monosyllabic words most often take -es, whereas words with multiple syllables take -s

[narrow pier]

understood thanks

[scenic sun]

Hello, can i say both of them? or it's not common in German
** als offizielles Gründungsjahr gilt das jahr 1995**
** 1995 gilt als offizielles Gründungsjahr der Firma**

[scenic sun]

und was bedutet (unter einem Namen weltberühmt werden)? gibt es auch beispiel?

und auch (als Forschungszentrum dienen)?

[fallow spire]

you can say both

[fervent kernel]

Würde man sagen "Die Korrektur meines Lehrers an meiner Übung" oder eine andere Präposition als "an"?

[nimble sphinx]

entweder "von" oder am besten ganz ohne Präposition :)

[nimble sphinx]

das bedeutet, dass jmnd/etw weltweit berühmt geworden ist, und währenddessen den gemeinten Namen getragen hat

[nimble sphinx]

etwas "dient als Forschungszentrum", wenn es als Forschungszentrum genutzt wird

[fervent kernel]

Also, "Die Korrektur meines Lehrers meiner Übung", wobei "meiner" ist auch genitivisch, ist der beste?

[nimble sphinx]

jo, schon. Ich würde zwar eher sagen "Die von meinem Lehrer korrigierte Übung" oder etwas in der art, weil zwei mal "meine[s/r]" direkt hintereinander klingt doch etwas komisch, aber wenn "meines Lehrers" unbedingt drin sein muss, dann müsste das so am ehesten passen

[fervent kernel]

Alles klar, danke!

[nimble sphinx]

yo

[winter niche]

Ich lese gerade ein Buch, in dem ich die Konstruktion [Bewegungsverb] (wie gehen, klettern) + auf + Zielort (akk) + zu am Ende ziemlich oft sehe. Kommt es nur bei manchen Verben vor? Oder handelt es sich eigentlich um eine richtige Konstruktion, die man generell beim Sprachgebrauch aufbauen kann?
Beispiele:
"Sie kletterte los auf das Tor zu"
"Sie ging auf ihn zu"

[undone verge]

afaik this is a separable verb: auf etw/jdn. zugehen

and I would assume the same for 'auf etw. zuklettern'

[winter niche]

auf jdn. zugehen gibt's schon, stimmt

[whole portal]

Not sure if you would find zuklettern in a dictionary but it's pretty clear what it means so yeah

[winter niche]

Aber bei zuklettern bin ich mir nicht sicher ob das ja bestimmt geht

[undone verge]

the germans sometimes 'copy' a construction to express the same idea with a slightly different verb

[whole portal]

yea we do

[winter niche]

Die Bedeutung lässt sich ziemlich leicht ableiten, natürlich. Ich frage nur, ob es etwas ist, dem ich in der Sprache generell begegnen mag

[winter niche]

Achso, interessant

[whole portal]

I mean this is fairly harmless we definitely do it with more abstract things sometimes if we lack a better word

[winter niche]

Ich würde dann davon auch ausgehen, dass es vom Kontext abhängig ist

[undone verge]

better than harmless 🙂 it's great and creative haha

[winter niche]

Klingt auch etwas schick/literarisch

Aber vielleicht kommt es mir so vor weil ich es im Buch zum ersten Mal gesehen hab

Danke btw

[shut briar]

Janusz im Krankenhaus, eine der letzten Episode

[long whale]

*Episoden ;)

[shut briar]

Ja das passt dem Kontext auch. Ich frage mich aber warum ich das nicht am Internet finden konnte. Ist es so umgangssprachlich?

[shut briar]

I see a little difference between the two but I'm not sure if it's right.

Rosarot malen: Man weiß dass etwas nicht gut ist, aber man darstellt es für seine eigenen Zwecke

Durch eine rosa Brille sehen: Man ist selbst nicht bewusst, dass die Dinge nicht wirklich so sind wie er sie sehe

Liege ich richtig?

[shut briar]

Danke! 😭

[long whale]

Basically, yes. * Man stellt es für seine eigenen Zwecke so dar; Man ist sich selbst nicht bewusst, dass die Dinge nicht wirklich so sind, wie man sie sieht ;)

@shut briar

And no, it isn't really that colloquial.

Look, no umgagssprachlich here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/rosarot#d-1-1

(Once you've started using German "man", you can't just suddenly switch to "er" - it simply doesn't work.)

[shut briar]

Darstellen ist trennbar! German is still so elusive 😭 But thanks Susana, my classes are out and no one has corrected me in ages! Not that my professors give a shit

[long whale]

Here, have a large

🧁

[shut briar]

I see, I'll keep it in mind

[nimble sphinx]

schwer zu sagen warum es im internet nicht zu finden ist. vielleicht ist es einfach zu selten, als dass jemand darüber schreiben würde.

[shut briar]

I see. Also I was googling rosarot malen directly, but it was under rosarot. I get so overwhelmed by this website i swear. To understand something i have to understand million other things. I should start using it though now that I'm officially B2 ( still feel like A2 )

[long whale]

More cupcakes, then... And yes, it would be a very good idea. It does get easier, the more you use it, I promise. 😘

[dense geode]

Ich spreche Deutsch nicht gut. So, sent this to a friend and said he didn't understand, kinda new to german. But doesn't this just mean basically, "i don't speak german well"

[long whale]

It does (although you might want to spell it "deutsch").

[sage tendon]

Is your friend German?

[dense geode]

Oop, was typing too fast my bad lol, and i'm not sure if they speak german natively, but they know the language a significant amount i think

[timid vector]

would be weird to not understand it if they really know german unless they're just messing w you

[dense geode]

They probably are -·-

[near folio]

Vielleicht kann er gar kein Deutsch.

Lügner!!!!

[shut briar]

Ich versuche, eine Übersetzung für Humbling zu finden

Im Wörterbuch gibt es demütigend und erniedrigend, was eher negativ sind

[long whale]

And "humbling" is not negative?

[shut briar]

Hmm, I am also a bit confused about it now. When your arrogance is decreased due to some event, and you become more humble, that should be positive no?

[long whale]

It's definitely positive for those around the arrogant person, yes. But for the person who's being humbled... 👀

[shut briar]

This is more of an English question i guess, i might have been using the word wrong all this time

[upbeat thicket]

etwas bringt jemanden auf den Boden der Tatsachen zurück

Maybe?

Susana please judge my attempt at finding a fitting translation

You are so wise

[shut briar]

I'm actually writing a book review, the book I'm reading is quite sad, so I wanted to express that it is humbling...reading about the experiences of the characters make me feel rather down to earth...a little soft maybe?

So not humiliating

As suggested by the dictionary

[long whale]

I think... I might use "dämpfen". What exactly did it "dampen down" in you, Merry?

But yes, "eine Lektüre, die einen demütig werden läßt" might work well.

@shut briar

[shut briar]

Well, I'm finding it hard to explain, but I've tried articulating it in my mind, so I'll try

Demütig feels very negative, and in this case, their very real and tragic experiences damped down my arrogance, makes me feel more kind I guess I could say? And that's very positive for me... Like if this stuff could happen, my problems are nothing, wow it's hard

I translated humbling into my language and all definitions had the negative sense of the word, but there was also 'to make soft', and the word used for soft was the one we use for actions and behaviours and not for objects

[upbeat thicket]

What about: Das Buch hat mich auf Grund der realen und tragischen Erfahrungen bescheidener werden lassen?

[shut briar]

Aah! Yes!

[upbeat thicket]

That is the opposite of arrogant

[shut briar]

So i think in English humbling and humble have different connotations, so I was translating the wrong word

Bescheiden fits, but is there a different version of it I can use for the book? Like not modest but modest-making? @upbeat thicket

[upbeat thicket]

I am afraid that a fitting verb does exist. There is „bescheiden“ as a verb but I have never heard/used it

I would work with paraphrasing : Das Buch hilft, bescheidener zu werden

[real rivet]

I feel like demütig works better in this context.
Bescheiden is mostly associated with money.

Bescheiden is more the counterpart to gierig (greedy)

[shut briar]

Are you sure? All translations in the dictionary are really negative

[fervent kernel]

You mean something like a reality check?

[upbeat thicket]

Oh really? I thought of bescheiden as a general way of living

bescheiden <-> überheblich (rather than gierig)

[shut briar]

@fervent kernel hmm not quite. I guess you can try imagining the time you heard someone's life story that was filled with suffering and pain and that made you a bit quiet. Atleast for a while. That feeling. Like for a while you wouldn't talk or think about, say your favourite TV show, or something passive agressive your colleague said, maybe you would have a little smile on your face when something good happens instead of glee.....i guess i should not write the review at all 😂, this is becoming very abstract

[upbeat thicket]

es hat dich ernüchtert?

oder auf den Boden der Tatsachen zurückgeholt?

[fervent kernel]

Haha das wollte ich auch vorschlagen aber :Bedeutungen: [1] Psyche: negative Umstände so wahrnehmend / realisierend, dass die Hoffnung genommen wird, dass sich diese negativen Umstände bessern werden. Synonyme: [1] desillusionierend, enttäuschend.

[fervent kernel]

Hmm dunno
Having a new outlook on life
Resetting your priorities?

Can't believe there isn't a German word to express this

[shut briar]

That won't work cause it implies that life is tragic as a rule and it's not about one person's particular experiences any more.

[shut briar]

Yup, that's what I mean. But as for the word, I really need a single one, that expresses the state and not my reaction to that state

[upbeat thicket]

I‘m afraid there is none

Maybe just say: Das Buch war sehr „humbling“

[shut briar]

Although, ernüchtern... Hmm @fervent kernel are you sure it wouldn't work? The English translation is sobering and that feels closer to what I want to say

[shut briar]

😂😂yeah it seems that's what I would going to have to do

[upbeat thicket]

dict.leo.org is translating „humbling“ as ernüchternd

[fervent kernel]

But in use it seems to be similar to enttäuschend

[upbeat thicket]

Hm… I always thought it means to be faced / confronted with reality again but not always in a negative way

[fervent kernel]

Ye I kinda thought that too before I looked it up

Maybe some people use it that way

Wait did you guys try out Demut?

[shut briar]

Me too actually, how can all of us use it in that way but be wrong?

[upbeat thicket]

Why use words honestly? Just draw your feelings

[fervent kernel]

Yeah language can get complicated if you go deep into it 😕

[shut briar]

I am horrible at drawing 🥲

Humbleness
Humility
Demut

These are all positive. But their P1 versions are not?

Humbling
Humiliating
Demütigend

Wow 😣

[upbeat thicket]

Basically

[fervent kernel]

demütigend comes from demütigen/ Demütigung though

It's like Demut is a different word that sounds the same?

[upbeat thicket]

Demut and Demütigung
demütig machend (?) and demütigend

maybe

[shut briar]

But the adjective for Demut is demütig, that's just like demütigen

[fervent kernel]

No demütig and demütigen are different things though

[shut briar]

Yeah just like humble and humbling ne?

[fervent kernel]

demütig is an adjective that means someone is voller Demut

And demütigen is this

[shut briar]

Btw if you travel for the first time and realise that there are so many other ways of living and being, what would you call that feeling? Auf Deutsch oder Englisch

[fervent kernel]

Hahaha you experience interesting feelings

[shut briar]

Haha I think it's very normal. Like the way you see and experience the world isn't the only one and isn't the only right one

And I'm asking cause i feel ernüchtern would fit here

And i realised that it's the exact same feeling as that sad book one

[fervent kernel]

Is that a feeling of being fascinated by all the new things or do you mean someone who realises he knows nothing

[shut briar]

Well, it's again the feeling of arrogance leaving you, because you see other ways people can be in this world, so not so much as you know nothing, but you don't know everything.

@fervent kernel

Btw guys, there is this guy who made a dictionary called Dictionary of obscure sorrows, where he invented words to fill in the gaps for these feelings we all have, but don't have names for them. It's totally worth checking it out

[fervent kernel]

I mean you could use ernüchternd here i think

[shut briar]

Hmm i think i will

[scenic sun]

Hello

haben auswerten und bewerten die gleiche Bedeutung?

[viral jolt]

auswerten is more like analyse, and bewerten to assess/estimate (a worth)

[narrow pier]

Hello,
Martina bringt der Freundin von ihrem Bruder etwas mit

( so I search, mitbringen and bringen, they both use Akkusativ ) but why is here ( der Freundin ) dativ?

[delicate tiger]

"jemandem (dat) etwas (akk) mitbringen"

[narrow pier]

thank you

[scenic sun]

Abkühlend wirken Kann jemanden ein satz mit dieser Wörtwendung machen?

[delicate tiger]

"An einem heißen Sommertag kann eine Dusche abkühlend wirken"

[scenic sun]

Vielen Dank ❤

[sage canyon]

Alles wurde geschnitten, alles war geschnitten.

I sense there are two different passive forms here. But do both mean the same thing "everything was cut?"

[delicate tiger]

Vorgangspassiv/Zustandspassiv

[fervent kernel]

i thought mahlzeit is meal

but is it true its some cultural thing people say to each other before/after eating?

[blissful wigeon]

It means meal

But is also used as "bon appetit"

[fervent kernel]

where i read that explicitely states its not used as bon appetit lmao

[blissful wigeon]

It's been told to me by german natives that it's bon appetit, but I might be wrong or it might be regional

I've heard it used as such though

[undone verge]

you are more likely to hear it around lunch/breaktime at work

[fervent kernel]

i researched some more and its apparently old school tho

seems regional

[upbeat thicket]

Usually around 11-12 o'clock

it is often used at work to wish others a blessed lunch

sometimes also at home

[polar marten]

hello guys, can anyone give me advice on how to improve speaking german by myself?

[pulsar elk]

@upbeat thicket hey lena check DM please

[upbeat thicket]

please use a translator for such things

[pulsar elk]

well google translate is wrong lol

[upbeat thicket]

Then try DeepL.com

[pulsar elk]

Well idk if its gonna be right whole sentence

It gives me

Sie

I want du

[pulsar elk]

It gives me Sie but i want Du :<

Nvm

I got it now thank u so@much

[fervent kernel]

whats the difference between star and stern?

[undone verge]

in german, 'Star' means a celebrity

anything relating to the actual shape 'star' or the things out in space is 'Stern'

[fervent kernel]

danke

does notwending mean important as in necesary, or is it just a synonym of nötig

[narrow pier]

Hi, so there is this topic in the German tets about ( Bio essen ) which you have to do a Presentation about, and In the book I am reading, it did a ( Presentation sample ) and it describes it like :
we live in Italy, and my mom always makes sure to buy fresh food and she does not buy Bio essen

but is not bio essen meant as fresh food??

like the topic is ( ist Bio-Essen besser ), so you would have to compare it to non bio, meaning not fresh,

but in the solution it compares Bio essen with fresh food?

[undone verge]

Bio Essen = organic food

[sage tendon]

Yeah bio means organic, has more regulations than „regular“ fresh food or doesn’t have to be fresh

[narrow pier]

but does organic food count as fresh, genuinely asking

[undone verge]

I would say 'fresh food' is produce (fruits and veggies, fresh meats, etc). As WürstelGamer mentioned: organic food can be fresh but doesn't have to be. There's also plenty of boxed and jarred and canned organic foods

and vice versa: there is non-organic fresh food

[narrow pier]

I though in the presentation, you would have to argue between (organic) and (unorganic)
I do not know which analogy to use, but like organic and unorganic are opposite, not organic and fresh

[narrow pier]

Thank you, I think the presentation was easier to do, to talk about fresh food, rather that the differences between organic and unorganic, as I did, which was very difficult for me

[narrow pier]

👍

[sage tendon]

Bio products are usually more expensive maybe the mum doesn’t like that. Supposedly more nutritious and environmentally friendlier

[narrow pier]

oh yeah, I was surprised, cause I thought they mean ( my mom always get fresh food , never Bio ) meaning its not fresh, but as @undone verge mentioned, some of them are not always fresh

[balmy sentinel]

quick question, how can uou tell the difference between feminine, masculine, and nueter?

[viral jolt]

faq gender

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[viral jolt]

do >explain gender patterns in #botchannel next. but mostly, you have to memorise the genders. sometimes you'll notice patterns and be able to make a guess.

[fervent kernel]

is "einsteigen" correct verb to mean getting into a building,please?

[charred fog]

no

[fervent kernel]

so could you say which one is correct,please

[charred fog]

instead you could use "ein Gebäude betreten'' or ''in ein Gebäude treten''

[fervent kernel]

thanks ❤️

[delicate tiger]

second one is outdated to wrong (first one is correct)

[charred fog]

oh ok

thanks

[last hearth]

"in ein Gebäude treten" sounds a wee lil bit like "in einen Haufen Hundekacke treten"

[sage canyon]

Es gibt viele Präpositionen plus Verben optionnen, die in Deutsch existiert.

Zum beispiel: bei + ertappen + sich = to catch oneself doing something/to find oneself doing something

Kann man Da-Komposita mit der richtige Präposition benutzen, wenn man diese Bedeutung mit Wo/Da-Komposita machen willst?

(in english: will using the right preposition for a verb's preposition in da or wo komposita still unlock the same combination, but with the slightly changed meaning that goes with using wo or da composita?" or is it simply completely different?)

Zum beispiel: Ich ertappe mich dabei

[undone verge]

yes

although it should be in reference to something already mentioned or about to be mentioned

[sage canyon]

so there should be a preceding sentence saying the object, like relative pronouns?

[undone verge]

not really like a relative pronoun, but yes, 'dabei' on its own doesn't have any meaning

[sage canyon]

longer question then: I have this sentence:

Ich ertappe mich dabei, wie ich sie anstarrte, was blödsinnig war, ich hatte sie schließlich schon eine Milliarde Mal gesehen.

(this is the start of a paragraph)

is this then grammatically incorrect?

there is nothing in the previous sentence referencing what this person catches themself doing

paragraph

[undone verge]

blödsinnig

otherwise the part with 'ich ertappe mich dabei' is fine, since it is immediately followed by what you caught yourself doing

[sage canyon]

Okay, good, the book I'm reading is still grammatically correct Deutsch

sometimes I'm worried since it's a translation from English

Das macht sinn

[fallow spire]

Translatinos are nearly fully correct

[sage canyon]

really, German translations are almost always to that good a standard for everything?

can I ask why/or what makes it so?

and what about stuff like netflix german dubs of English shows?

[undone verge]

translations that are written by native speakers (books, film dubs, even most subs) are almost always correct.

Ofc translation is a bit of an 'art,' so sometimes things might be phrased slightly differently, but you can be pretty sure that the german you hear or read there is correct.

i.e. without grammatical errors and idiomatic

[sage tendon]

how to join vc

[stoic mauve]

@sage tendon, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[fallow spire]

i read harry potter, and everything was correct. i wached netflix and nothing was sticking out. i say nearly, because sometimes there are translation mistakes (one or two times per book)

[timid vector]

luckily german is a language with absolutely no shortage of translated from English media

whether it be movies or books or comics or games etc

[fervent kernel]

"Natürlich kannst du auch manuell Spielernamen eintragen."

I encountered this sentence on reverso context and I wonder why I sometimes see such syntaxes that don't seem to stress right things.

Wouldn't it be much better if the "auch manuell" came right before "eintragen", since it is what the sentence stresses?

[long whale]

Look, it's a short sentence, so, people are unlikely to miss its point, whichever way you phrase it. If you wanted to really stress "manuell" (although, frankly, I don't see why you would), you could put it first: Manuell kannst du Spielernamen natürlich auch eintragen. I'd prefer the version you suggested, btw. Not because of stress, but because it would be the default version. ;)

[narrow pier]

hello,
(für + Akkusativ ), this being said, can I summarize it for myself and say

für + ( den, einen , keinen, meinen, deinen, seinen, ihren, seinen, unseren, euren )

I do not know now for sure, if there is something else, but like when, ( für ) with used with a maskulin noun, I wrote all possible pronouns, that would be used

[fervent kernel]

Hmm ok thx

[narrow pier]

I have a question please

what is ( nächte or andere ) words like these called, are they considered as adjektives, ? how I can I search for them seperately

?

[long whale]

Look up Indefinitpronomen (for ander- or manch-)

der, die, das Nächste (if that's what you meant) is a nominalized adjective, and is declined like an adjective.

[narrow pier]

Ok, thanks you

[narrow pier]

I did not dig deep into these, but saw it in ( bis nächsten Montag .... ) so I guess its an adjektiv here

[long whale]

It is always an adjective. You just left out the "s" in your original post - a confusing mistake, since "[die] Nächte" = nights

[narrow pier]

that makes a huge difference, Vielen dank

[sage canyon]

Yes, that's correct, but that's only masculine accusative pronouns. Feminine and neutral are the same as nominative though.

Remember adjective endings are different too

-en for masc and plural, -e for feminine, -es for neutral (in accusative)

RESE NESE MRMN (only use this for the pronoun endings and adjectives alone though, because adjectives are different)

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es ein Adjektiv zum Bezeichnung der allen deutschsprechenden Leute, ungeachtet vom Land (kann Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz oder was sein)? Würde "deutsch" vielleicht passen, weil all diese Leute letzendlich "Deutsch" sprechen?

[near folio]

deutschsprachig? Zum Beispiel: Mona ist eine deutschsprachige Sängerin.
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/deutschsprachig

[sage canyon]

vielleicht deutschsprachige Welt? Ich habe das gehört...

[undone verge]

deutschsprachiger Raum heißt es

[fervent kernel]

Okay thankss

By the way, is that a common term for the purpose i've mentioned?

[fervent kernel]

I would say so

[tame beacon]

Österreicher solltest du nicht "deutsch" nennen, die können das als Beleidigung auffassen.

Wie bereits von manchen erwähnt, wäre "deutschsprachig" ein passendes Wort

[fervent kernel]

Good to know, thanks

[fervent kernel]

Where can I find short/mid stories in german at a specific level? (A2/B1)

[long whale]

German Short Stories for Beginners by Olly Richards

[fervent kernel]

What level is it

[long whale]

Somebody who's A1 assured me they were too difficult for them.

[maiden badge]

Maybe try https://german.net/reading/
They specify the level and have simple test for each story

[fervent kernel]

Not that short lol

[maiden badge]

oh well XD

[fervent kernel]

Something with a plot

[maiden badge]

Luca will zu einer Hochzeit gehen, und Bea will klettern gehen.
Should I use "und" or "aber" in this sentence? I can't decide

[undone verge]

have you tried german kids books

[undone verge]

it depends what you want to say

if these interests contradict, then you may pick aber.
If you're simply listing what 2 people want to do, und is fine.

(note: no comma before und there)

[fervent kernel]

Grimm brothers is too old right?

[undone verge]

yes

[fervent kernel]

Or can I read modern versions

[undone verge]

I wouldn't really pick fairy tales, as those aren't kids books

ofc if they interest you definitely read them, but I meant actual kids stories/kids books

'oh wie schön ist panama' stuff like that

[fervent kernel]

Ok ill try

Danke

[maiden badge]

So when I use "und" to connect phrases, there's no comma needed? I thought it only applied for listing stuffs

[undone verge]

generally speaking no comma before und

[maiden badge]

Gotcha. Danke schön

[timid vector]

hm? you always put a comma between to independent clauses linked by a Konjunktion, no?

the no comma is for when und is linking words like "rot und blau" or smth

[undone verge]

not that I know of 👀

[timid vector]

that's how I learned it but who knows maybe that's that American education at it again

[undone verge]

https://www.contify.de/glossar/richtig-schreiben/komma-vor-und/

[fervent kernel]

Question for natives or advanced speakers: how often do you guys hear the word "Furt"? Do you know what it means without having to check it out on a dictionary?

[maiden badge]

my Netzwerk Neu A1 book confirm this. I'm an idiot and blindly add coma following my habit 😓

[fervent kernel]

is feststellen just determine or is it another word without a real english translation

[delicate willow]

You will rarely find words with a 1-to-1 correspondence. Check out usage examples on Linguee https://www.linguee.com/german-english/translation/feststellen.html

Some of them correspond to determine, some do not.

[fervent kernel]

but its roughly determine/locate?

[charred fog]

it has a lot of meanings

it's not useful to try to boil it down to one or two words in english

[undone verge]

ascertain is a pretty good one

[kindred anchor]

Hey guys!
which one is more appropriate to say: ,,man muss weitermachen und die Vergangenheit vergessen" or ,,man muss weitermachen und die Vergangenheit ZU vergessen"
is the modal verb controls both verbs? ,,weitermachen" and ,,vergessen"?

[whole portal]

The second one is just wrong

[hearty blaze]

If this is referring to the group of words with 'der' as their definite article, shouldn't this say ' "der" Wörter ' ?

or can you also say it like this?

[delicate willow]

The image says Wörten and as far as I can tell, it is not a valid inflection of Wort at all.

[hearty blaze]

can't you say something like "in anderen Worten"?

obviously it doesn't work in this context

[delicate willow]

Now you dropped the umlaut, so it is a different word form.

[hearty blaze]

oh, i see what you mean

but if you change it to "Wörter", it would make sense right?

[delicate willow]

Yep, der Wörter is the genitive plural form.

For example, you could say "die Bedeutung der Wörter" for "the meaning of the words".

[whole portal]

or den Worten

[timid vector]

|| @delicate willow ||
it doesn't make sense here with Wörter
Wörter - random individual words (chicken, red, door, carpet)
Worte - Words as in "he has a way with words / he spoke some words at the funeral"

in other words, ... = anders gesagt oder mit anderen Worten

[tame beacon]

I never heard this word in Standard German tbh

[sage canyon]

Er macht sowas mit links.

this sentence has defeated DeepL: "He does something like that with left."

the original phrase in English is "He can do stuff like that."

is this wrong, or is there some idiomatic thing going on here?

I swear I've seen mit links used in a pop song before

[delicate willow]

Right. I thought we were discussing word formation, der Wörter and den Worten are both valid forms. Not interchangeable, of course.

[undone verge]

it means '(so easy) you could do it with your left hand'

[fervent kernel]

"Die Musik war geprägt von einem neuen Lebensgefühl."

I've encountered this sentence. Would the sentence be any better or worse if the passivised subject (the von group) were to be placed before "geprägt"?

I wonder under what situations this happens, where it's intuitional to a learner like me that predicative should come last but actually doesn't

[long whale]

IMO, the past participle would probably have come last in formal writing, or if the writer hadn't been trying to give the "feel" of spoken/informal language.

I'd recommend writing according to the rules you've been taught - less chance of things going wrong. ;)

[fervent kernel]

I understand, thanks

[flat jacinth]

What's the difference between "erschrecken", "beängstigen", and "verängstigen"?

As far as I know, "verängstigen" and "beängstigen" are for threat, crisis, pandemic, inflation

for example
"Die Pandemie verängstigt / beängstigt die Menschen"

[long whale]

"erschrecken" is for sudden frights, things which make you gasp, like someone jumping at you, shouting "Boo!"

[flat jacinth]

owh... as for the other two verbs?

they're the same, right?

can they also be used for sudden frights?

[long whale]

Mm... I mean, yes, they're all verbs, but we usually use "beängstigend" as an adjective, meaning "frightening", and "verängstigt" as an adjective, meaning "frightened". For the pandemic, I think we'd usually use a passive construction, as in "Die Menschen sind/waren durch die Pandemie verängstigt". And no, for sudden frights, we'll use "erschrecken".

@flat jacinth

[flat jacinth]

owhh... so the two verbs are rarely used in verb form

[timid vector]

do germans say boo too

[long whale]

"Buh!"

👻

[flat jacinth]

But, if I want to say

"The creepy dolls are scaring the childrens"

"erschrecken" doesn't fit here

But "verängstigen" and "beängstigen" are used in passive form and adjective respectively

Which verb would fit then?

[long whale]

Die unheimlichen Puppen machen den Kindern Angst/erschrecken die Kinder (why wouldn't "erschrecken" fit here?)

[flat jacinth]

owh, I thought "erschrecken" is supposed to be for sudden frights

[long whale]

So? Kids take a look at dolls and go "Gahhh!" 🤷

[flat jacinth]

hm fair enough

Okay thank you!

[lament ingot]

He does this kind of thing with his left hand.

Yep, it made DeepL say something extremely dirty. 😂

[sage canyon]

Ahhhh so it is idiomatic

Danke schön alles

[narrow pier]

Hello, hello, this looks like a rule to remember the Adjektiv endings, which I have a great problem with, I cannot understand the rule, could you elaborate it a bit please?

[timid vector]

does this help?

[long whale]

Genius! :D Why did they leave out S ER ES ER for Genitiv, though? 🤔

[timid vector]

no idea, in my experience programs for learners tend to leave out genitiv because it's seen as "difficult"

in my school if you actually made it to your fourth year of german, that's when they would teach it to you

we also learn the cases in that order instead of the normal german n>g>d>a

[sage canyon]

RESE NESE MRMN SRSR is what I learned for the full thing 🙂

it's not actually the adjective endings, it's the pronoun endings + adjectiv endings when the adjective has no pronoun.

(see the chart above, it's pretty clear)

[narrow pier]

Yes it helps very much , thank you

[charred fog]

genitive is the easiest case to understand the use of

not the most useful though

but certainly not difficult

[sage canyon]

when von exists in Deutsch, yeah

[charred fog]

makes sense, I can't sleep well at night knowing this is the standard way to show noun cases in order

it has zero logic

[timid vector]

I mean I'm not the one creating the programs here 😂

[sage canyon]

we learned nom acc dat gen in my school

[charred fog]

yep, that's the most common order for learning materials

[narrow pier]

Hello so, in ( ein
Kleines Kind hat meine Geldbörse geklaut ) , so you here, If I use kein here ( Nein, kein kleines Kind hat meine Geldbörse geklaut ) I would decline the kein, based on teh rules I have learned before, meaning adjektiv declension does not effect any declension of the words that come before it

[charred fog]

ein kleines Kind

with an S

Kind is neuter

[timid vector]

kein declines exactly like ein with a k before it

and the adjectives after it work the same too

[narrow pier]

Sorry, for the mistake, tried to explain my question

[charred fog]

yeah what Yaxom said was right

declination with kein is the exact same as with ein but with just a k before

[narrow pier]

Ok thank you, but sorry you meant the adjektiv declines just like the ( ein ), but I am afraid that, thats not the case, most of the time

[long whale]

No. That's not what they meant at all!

[timid vector]

nope pretty positive adjectives after kein and ein all work the same

ein schnelles Auto -> kein schnelles Auto usw

[undone verge]

the point of confusion is most likely that 'ein' can't act in plural while 'kein(e)' can

[timid vector]

that's true though that is on the table in the middle right

[charred fog]

the kein you're seeing on the table is just for demonstration purposes with plural since you can't use an indefinite article with plurals

[long whale]

Yes, yes, of course. I think OP had concluded the endings of the indef. article would be the same as those of the adjective - which of course they aren't.

[half bloom]

quick question, how do i say "to click" in german?

[timid vector]

click what

like make the sound with your tongue or

[undone verge]

klicken

[half bloom]

like on a computer

[narrow pier]

I can understand you now, sorry for the confusion, Ich bin Todmüde jetzt, deswegen meine Fokus ist schlecht

[timid vector]

ya that's klicken

or drücken

for keyboard buttons

[half bloom]

thanks

[mild reef]

Halloo, wenn ich sag unserer stufe wie kann ich verstehen, unserer ist akkusativ oder dativ ? Zum Beispiel ; Dass ihr nicht auf unserer Stufe seid.

[long whale]

Think: what is the question here: is it "Where are you (not)?" or is it "Where to...?/Towards where...?"

[mild reef]

can you explain a little bit i don't understand anything

[long whale]

Well, just think, in English: what's the right question for "I'm on your level" - ?

Just do me the favour, will you? ;)

[mild reef]

ich hab verstanden dankeee

[sour sandal]

wenn er stress hat, setze er sich voll ruhig abfährt in einen park zwischen bäumen und lauscht dem singen der vögel

I want to say, he likes to sit down

But with Abfahrt

] übertragen, Hilfsverb sein, auf jemanden/etwas abfahren: sehr gerne mögen

[fervent kernel]

Einer meiner Lieblingskomponisten hatte den Namen "Anton von Webern", aber wegen der 1919 österreichischen Abschaffung der Adelstitel veränderte sich sein Name zu nur "Webern" ohne "von".

Ich frage mich, könnte das "n" in "Webern" wegen der dativischen Inflektion nach der Preposition "von"? Wie auf Englisch "of the Webers"

[timid vector]

so scheints mir

[delicate tiger]

denke nicht

[plain umbra]

@light hornet So basically cases show what job a noun or pronoun does in a sentence.

[light hornet]

I dont get how sentences dont got for cases

[plain umbra]

Do you know in English about subject and object?

[light hornet]

Yeah

[plain umbra]

Cases are German's version of subject and object, basically.

[obsidian fiber]

A bunch of words can "replace" cases

But sentences aren't cases

[plain umbra]

So a whole sentence can't have a case, but individual nouns/pronouns can have them.

[light hornet]

Oh ok ok I get it

[obsidian fiber]

I see what you are doing

"What you are doing" is the object

[plain umbra]

Okay, no problem. Do you still want to know about how to use dative?

[obsidian fiber]

It's a subordinate clause, which exist in German too

[light hornet]

Yeah if don't mind helping me out

[plain umbra]

Sure, no problem. Do you know already how to use nominative and accusative?

[light hornet]

I know nominative and i know dativ but I just need a few touches to stick it into my head

I heard if u learn dativ then accusative is easier

[plain umbra]

Ah, actually you usually learn it the other way around.

You usually start with nominative and accusative and only learn dative after you feel comfortable with the first two.

[light hornet]

Oh really

[plain umbra]

I've never heard of anyone claiming that learning dative first is easier.

Yeah.

[light hornet]

Ok can u tell me about dativ since I already started with it?

[delicate willow]

Uhh, why wouldn't you learn them all at once? I don't think sequencing helps here.

[plain umbra]

So the basic idea is that nominative is for the subject and accusative and dative are the objects.

[light hornet]

Or is it better I stop and start with accusative?

[plain umbra]

Up to you.

[obsidian fiber]

Because in basic communication usually accusative is used more

[plain umbra]

But when you get to accusative and dative, they have very similar roles anyway. So what you mostly have to learn is when to use accusative vs when to use dative.

[light hornet]

Oh ok I'll go with accusative then 👌🏽

[light hornet]

Ok got it 🤝🤝

[plain umbra]

You can most easily learn it in two categories: objects of verbs and objects of prepositions.

Basically you learn the topic of prepositions totally separately because they have all their own rules.

This is a diagram I made, which helps you to see the different rules for accusative and dative.

It might look a bit complicated at first but it's pretty simple.

Basically you look at if you have a verb or a preposition, and then you look at what kind of verb or preposition it is.

[hoary wind]

Krasses Diagramm Oida

[light hornet]

Ok ill take this save this pic and work with it and start with accusative rn

[plain umbra]

No problem.

[light hornet]

Thank you so much for your time🙏🏽

[plain umbra]

No problem, feel free to ask again if you get stuck.

[light hornet]

Ok 🤝🤝🤝

[plain umbra]

It's usually not very productive for the majority of beginners to learn everything at once, because it's very overwhelming. It's too much new information to process at once, so people get really confused and stuck trying to learn everything at once. Breaking it down into small pieces and making sure you understand each of the pieces is necessary for most learners.

But if your native language already has cases and they're used in a very similar way, you might be able to learn it quickly.

[delicate willow]

Well, yeah, it's not productive to learn everything at once, but I'm talking about learning the grammatical cases specifically — for example, I was really confused when I encountered der with a feminine noun until I discovered that this is what happens in Genitiv and Dativ. Because I initially focused on Nominativ and Akkusativ only.

[obsidian fiber]

I just understand them since I took a look into German grammar

[delicate willow]

Yeah, eventually I stopped reading tutorials which don't give complete information (and therefore generate confusion when you encounter anything that doesn't fit into their simplified framework) and started reading Duden.

[obsidian fiber]

Ehem Duolingo issues

[obsidian fiber]

I read grammar books

[plain umbra]

Everyone learns differently. What I said applies to the majority of learners I've met and helped, but yes, it won't apply to everyone. It's good to always think about what works best for you, as you go through the learning process.

[delicate willow]

Can't really argue with that because you're speaking from experience.

Personally, I find Krashen's argument quite compelling that everyone acquires language in the same way (via comprehensible input). So I think the point of learning grammar is to make input more easily comprehensible. To that end, sequencing grammatical cases doesn't help much, as you are very likely to find all four of them in a text.

[plain umbra]

This is off topic for #questions-2 . You will need to go to #languages if you want to discuss this kind of thing.

[smoky palm]

Does "gegen Bezahlung" mean "for a fee"? The translations I've seen are conflicting x.x

[patent knoll]

ehehe ^^

yeah, it can mean both "for a fee" and also something like "being against payment" although tbh I'm not sure it would be used very often in this form, with the latter meaning

dict.cc mentions "gegen Bezahlung einer Gebühr" as being against the payment of a fee, so there's that

[smoky palm]

Ok, just wanted to be sure whether this guy wants to pay me or not X3

[patent knoll]

from the context, that would be a yes

[smoky palm]

Alright thank you ^^

[hearty blaze]

isn't "Menschen" the plural form of Mensch? So the sentence should be "Er hat mit keinen Menschen darüber gesprochen"?

[delicate willow]

it's also the inflected form of the singular because it's a weak masculine noun

[hearty blaze]

im sorry, what's inflected singular form mean?

[delicate willow]

if it's not in Nominativ, then it is inflected

[long whale]

faq N-Deklination

[stoic mauve]

Weak Nouns

Weak nouns are called this way because they receive the same endings as adjectives inflected with weak endings. They take an additional ending -n in every case except nominative singular. This is also known as N-Declension and affects almost exclusively masculine nouns.

Nominativ: der Junge, die Junge__n__
Genitiv: des Junge__n__, der Junge__n__
Dativ: dem Junge__n__, den Junge__n__
Akkusativ: den Junge__n__, die Junge__n__

Some nouns end with a suffix -en to make the pronunciation easier:
der Mensch, den Mensch__en__

‼ Das Herz is the only non-masculine (neuter) noun with N-Declension❣

So how do we recognize these nouns? We can divide them into 3 big groups:

1. nouns of Greek and Latin origin,
2. nouns ending with -e (most of these refer to people or animals),
3. other random German nouns (Mensch, Herr, Student, Nachbar, Prinz etc.)

Another way to divide the groups could be:

1. nouns denoting male beings in general (der Bauer, der Knabe, der Herr, der Junge, der Kunde etc.)
2. nouns indicating nationality or religious affiliation (der Chinese, der Russe, der Türke, der Jude, der Katholik, der Protestant)
3. nouns designating male beings and ending in the foreign suffixes (-ant, -arch, -ast, -ege, -ent, -ist, -oge, -om, -oph, -ot: der Kollege, der Student, der Psychologe, der Polizist, der Philosoph)

‼ der Käse and words ending with -ee aren’t weak nouns.

Genitive of Weak Nouns
You might have noticed from the examples above that weak nouns don’t have the additional -s in genitive like other masculine nouns.
Some exceptions are das Herz and nouns of group 3 that don’t refer to people nor animals (Name, Wille, Glaube, Buchstabe etc.), which take both the -n and -s endings.
Example: der Name, des Name__ns__.

[delicate willow]

Words as listed in the dictionary are in their Nennform, that's Nominativ for nouns, Prädikativ for adjectives, and Infinitiv for verbs. When the word changes to perform a certain grammatical function, it is considered inflected (if it's a noun or adjective) or conjugated (if it's a verb). For example,

sehen – Infinitiv (Nennform)
ich sehe – Indikativ, 1. Person, Singular (this verb was conjugated to agree with the subject)

So when I say that Menschen is the inflected form, I mean that it's in Akkusativ, Dativ, or Genitiv (i.e. anything but Nominativ)

[hearty blaze]

ohhh, thank you that helped a lot @delicate willow

and thank you also @long whale

[nimble viper]

Ich weiß nicht, wo du steckst < Bedeutet das, dass der Fragesteller nicht weiß, wie es dem anderen geht?

[nimble sphinx]

Der Fragesteller weiß nicht wo der andere ist/wo sich der andere befindet

bzw der, der das gesagt hat

weiß nicht wen du mit fragesteller meinst

[nimble viper]

Auf Englisch sagt man also 'Where are you at?' und das kann manchmal tatsächlich eine Frage der geistigen Gesundheit der anderen Person sein

[nimble sphinx]

ah lol, hab ich gar nicht gewust. Ne auf deutsch heißt das eigentlich nicht wie es einem geht

[nimble viper]

Ich dachte als ginge sowas hier ab

[nimble sphinx]

sowas sagt man z. B. wenn man jamanden sucht und den anderen nicht finden kann

[nimble viper]

Ach so, also nie metaphorisch so verwendet

[nimble sphinx]

so weit ich weiß nicht

[nimble viper]

Danke!

[nimble sphinx]

yo! :)

[nimble sphinx]

mir fällt grad folgendes ein: Stell dir eine Situation vor, in der du mit einem Freund Hausaufgaben erledigst. Ihr arbeitet aber nicht zusammen an den Aufgaben, sondern löst sie in Einzelarbeit. Dann könntest du ihn irgendwann mal fragen: "Und, wo steckst du gerade?". Wie du dir vorstellen kannst, fragst du ihn wo - bei welcher Aufgabe - er ist. Metaphorischer als wie in diesem Beispiel wird's eigentlich aber nicht benutzt.

[nimble viper]

Ah cool, ja ich kann mir sowas vorstellen

Werdes ausprobieren wenn die Chance kommt

[nimble sphinx]

haha genial! :D viel erfolg

[narrow pier]

.

hello , in ( Ich habe keine Schwestern ) , I really do not understand why its ( N- declined )?

[sage tendon]

It’s just plural of Schwester

[narrow pier]

thank you so much, my mistake, sorry

[narrow pier]

hello is this information correct ( Akkusativ exits when we have 2 people or two things ) like
Das Kind sieht einen Hund
so this means, when we have only one object its Akkusativ, but I am not sure about this info

[timid vector]

No that's not true

there's verbs that only have one object and take dative

and some that even take nominative

[timid vector]

but the large majority take accusative, so it's best to check but you can assume accusative if you don't have a chance to look it up and be right most of the time

[narrow pier]

ok, thank you

[narrow pier]

thankfully these are few, and I know them, but the dativ verbs, I must remember them

one question, there are some verbs that can have two objects ( akk. and dativ ) like ( geben, bringen, schreiben, erzählen, erklären, kochen, zeigen ), is it necessary to memorize these, or just the dativ verbs

[narrow pier]

so theres four categories ( verbs that can take both ** Akk. and Dativ**

verbs that only take dativ

and verbs that only take akkusativ

verbs that only take genetiv ( I have not really looked into this )

[long whale]

I'm afraid it doesn't work quite that... neatly. The only thing you can be sure of is: there are no verbs requiring double Dativ (or double Genitiv, I suppose).

[timid vector]

it's pretty intuitive which take both but yeah you can learn them by heart as well

also the genitiv verbs are fairly rare and advanced

[narrow pier]

Ok, thank you

[narrow pier]

vielen Dank

[fervent kernel]

"Die Entscheidung tritt vom Moment seiner Ansage in Kraft."

I've encountered this sentence. Shouldn't it be "ihrer Ansage" because "Die Entscheidung" is weiblich?

[long whale]

No. If a man was making the "Ansage" -> seiner. If it was a woman -> ihrer. If it was made by several people -> ihrer.

das Auto (neuter), but: my brother's car = sein Auto. my sister's car = ihr Auto

[fervent kernel]

Oh, okay! I thought it was referring to the "announcement of the decision", it's definitely rather referring to a male person making the announcement. thankss

[charred fog]

huh?

oh I looked it up and they're sein, bleiben, and heißen

never even thought about that, always just seemed intuitive

[narrow pier]

how can I say this in German ( That a great way to put it that way ) I use this in English when someone summarizes a topic, or says very Great speech,

[light hornet]

Hi yall

I have a question how hard is it to studhy the separable verbs? And what are they?

[viral jolt]

i wouldn't say there's any more difficult to study compared to regular verbs or even regular words. they're called "trennbares Verb", and they're (probably) countless.

[light hornet]

So are u saying it's difficult?

[tranquil bough]

Which is correct? I heard somewhere that some Nebensätze have the Trennenverben actually zusammen, but I'm not sure
Obwohl nach Regen aus sah, gingen wir zum Baden
or
Obwohl nach Regen aussah, gingen wir zum Baden

[viral jolt]

never found it any different from memorising any word/verb

[light hornet]

Oh ok got it

[viral jolt]

the structure would be obwohl ... aussah, but i'm not sure if the second sentence makes any sense. it should be missing something. where did you get it from?

[tranquil bough]

It's from an exercise book, the sentences are untouched, I just have to add Obwohl and restructure the words a bit

It goes as shown:

Es sah nach Regen aus. Trotzdem gingen wir zum Baden

I forgot to add Es

my bad!

But yeah, it would be zusammen? Is this for every single separable verb in Nebensätze?

Are there some other rules like this?

Since this is the first time I'm hearing about this, even though I've used Nebensätze for some time

[viral jolt]

yes

[tranquil bough]

Dope, any other rules like this? Good to know Ausnahme ?

[timid vector]

and werden

[viral jolt]

in any case if the verb is sent to the last position, than separable verbs will sit like that together

[tranquil bough]

Can you think of any other situations that would send the verb at the back, außer Nebensätze

?

[viral jolt]

not really no

[vast violet]

schön gesagt/zusammengefasst

[narrow pier]

Hi, so I am not sure, but would it not be better to say ( obwohl nach Regen aus sah, trotzdem gingen wir zum Baden ) like adding the ( trotzdem )

[narrow pier]

Thank you

[long whale]

No, that doesn't work at all. Mind you, there is the "es" missing after "Obwohl" in OP's sentence.

[narrow pier]

Welche Kursbuch/Lehrbuch benutzt du, wenn ich fragen darf?

[narrow pier]

Will it not have this meaning ( although it looked like it was about to rain, but we still went Swimming ),or any other acrivity

But I mean the (trotzdem ) corresponds to ( still ), no?

[narrow pier]

In JustJerichos second sentence, he used ( trotzdem ) did not see that

[long whale]

But you'd still need to write "aussah" (1 word, not 2), and you'd have to put "trotzdem" in a different spot: after the subject. Not to mention the "es". ;)

[narrow pier]

Obwohl es nach Regen aussah, trotzdem wir gingen Schwimmen

.

That Does not sound right

[long whale]

Yeah. That's because "trotzdem" is in the wrong spot. As I said.

[narrow pier]

It would be gingen wir schwimmen

[long whale]

That, too, yes.

[narrow pier]

You said after subject, but that did not workout for me

[narrow pier]

So there are two variations

[delicate willow]

Obwohl es nach Regen aussah, gingen wir trotzdem schwimmen?

[long whale]

schwimmen - yes.

[narrow pier]

Why the question mark

[delicate willow]

Because I'm asking if it's the right structure

[narrow pier]

Oh ok thanks

[long whale]

Mind you, adding in trotzdem after obwohl feels rather colloquial to me. I'd avoid that in writing.

[narrow pier]

I saw it on Sicher B2, but maybe, its not always right to use

[long whale]

Mm... did they list that under "speaking" or under "writing"? Because I'd be a bit surprised if had been the latter...

[narrow pier]

Unfortunately I Can't find it right now, on emwhich page it was, but I think it was under an Overview of the those two words, the exercise was, in one example to just use ( obwohl ) and in the second one to use ( both ), and it explained it like it was your choice to use (trotzdem) or not

.

I think it was from the arbeitsbuch von Menschen B1, I am not sure

[delicate willow]

What's the subject in "Mir ist kalt"?

[balmy venture]

"Mir" (edit : it isn't)

[timid vector]

no the subject is es

[sage tendon]

Es ist mir kalt

[timid vector]

a dative word can never be the subject in german

[balmy venture]

oh ok nvm

[delicate willow]

There's no es in the quoted sentence though. I guess you could say it's implied. Does that also work with "Mir ist nichts passiert"?

[timid vector]

there is an es you just can't see it

and no the other isn't the same

[delicate willow]

OK, what's up with the other one? Where's the subject?

It's nichts, right.

[sage tendon]

👍

[mint pewter]

wie kann ich z.B. das Adjektiv und Substantiv von einem Verb finden?

[nimble sphinx]

meinst du sowas wie essen -> essend und essen -> das Essen ?

[scenic sun]

Hello, we were asked to form passive sentences and this one was there

1951 • zum ersten Mal • indische Gerichte • im Haus Hiltl • anbieten
my answer was ** 1951 wurden indische Gerichte zum ersten Mal im Haus Hiltl angeboten**
but the answer i got is 1951 wurden zum ersten Mal indische Gerichte im Haus Hiltl angeboten

isn't both correct?

[nimble sphinx]

yes

[scenic sun]

thank you for the quick answer

[nimble sphinx]

np

but notice, that the second sentence uses the sentence-parts in the order you wrote above them @scenic sun

[scenic sun]

these are just example to show us how it's being built

but overall both are correct as you said

[nimble sphinx]

yes

[scenic sun]

which is required to know how to build it up

[nimble viper]

Kann es auf Deutsch gesagt werden, dass eine Person sich sozusagen an ein Totschlagargument klammert wenn sie keinen guten Grund präsentiert, warum sie etwas nicht machen soll?

[long whale]

It's... rather creative. :D I mean, ein Totschlagargument is one which makes any comeback/counter-argument impossible. So, you wouldn't have to cling to it, right?

*Kann man auf Deutsch sagen...

[nimble viper]

Okay, thanks 🙂 Yes I forgot about that interaction

Man könnte sich eher auf besagtes Argument verlassen, oder?

[long whale]

You could also say "sich an einen Strohhalm klammern": https://www.dwds.de/wb/rettender Strohhalm ;)

[delicate willow]

How do I determine the stressed syllable in damit, dafür, etc?

[long whale]

Meaning: DAmit -> with this vs. daMIT -> so that

[delicate willow]

Thanks, same thing for dafür I assume?

[long whale]

Yup.

[delicate willow]

Hm, having a hard time conceptualizing this. Here are two example sentences, the stressed syllable (as read by a voice actor) is in bold:

"Dafür wirst du bezahlen!" – "You'll pay for this!"
"Habt ihr einen Beweis dafür?" – "Do you have proof (of this)?"

In both cases dafür means "for/of this", not "so that"

[long whale]

Yeah... stress ought to be on the 1st in both cases. I think it might be because of sentence stress it got changed in yor 2nd example, though - I mean, I guess that might have kind of confused the issue.

[patent knoll]

I keep thinking of this too rn but all I can think of is that this is for the sake of expressivity. Not sure if there's some further distinction between them. There's also no such difference in all prepositional adverbs (or whatever they are called). I haven't heard anyone say, for example, womit, it's always womit. same with dagegen. have never heard anyone ever say dagegen in normal speech, unless they really really emphasized whatever "da" refers back to.

[mint pewter]

z.B verb: anfangen Nomen: Der Anfang Adjektiv: anfäglich

[delicate willow]

anfänglich

[dry olive]

woher weiß man, ob er Konjunktiv 1 oder 2 benutzen sollte, wenn er eine ‘als [konjunktives Verb]…’ Formulierung anwendet?

zB steht jetzt in meinem Buch ‘…die Ärztin hatte ganz selbstverständlich das portugiesische Wort benützt - als könne [konj 1] es für diese Sache kein anderes Wort geben’ - doch ich denke mir, dass es öfter mit Konjunktiv 2 konstruiert wird? oder, aus meinem Gedächtnis ist das meine Vermutung

[timid vector]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/anfangen -> Derived/Related terms

[fervent kernel]

What does "in trockene Tücher legen" mean? I heard it In a video but am not sure about the meaning

Pls ping if you answer

[fervent kernel]

are teilnehmen/sich beteiligen/mitteilen all the same?

[delicate tiger]

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_trockenen_Tüchern etwas ist in trockenen Tüchern, aber "legen" ist sehr ungewöhnlich bis falsch

[fervent kernel]

Danke)

[delicate tiger]

"etw in trockene Tücher bringen" geht auch

[fervent kernel]

ist das ein Sprichwort?

[swift karma]

no they aren't, "teilnehmen" just means that you are like attend a meeting or you are participating in a tournament. "sich beteiligen" means that you are doing something active, so if you are contributing in a lesson. "mitteilen" just means, that you are giving some information to someone, like "Er teilt ihr mit, dass sie zu Frau Seidel gehen soll"

[swift karma]

ja

[delicate tiger]

hast du dir den Wiktionary Link angeguckt?

[fervent kernel]

danke

[fervent kernel]

huh zu spät gesehen

[fervent kernel]

hello there !
i've got 1 doubt, what is the difference between "erstellen" and "schaffen"
thanks =D

[nimble sphinx]

naja, es gibt auch "anfangend". Ich glaube es gibt keine feste Regel, wie du von "anfangen" auf "anfänglich kommst

[timid vector]

every single verb can add a -d on the end and make Partizip I (except sein -> seiend)

[nimble sphinx]

yes, anfangen->anfänglich is a bit special. there usually is nothing like this for other verbs: example: halten->hältlich doesn't exist.

but it's quite funny

since there are a lot of similar words, when you build words this way

wohnen->wöhnlich (gewöhnlich)

but holen->höltlich is just creepy hahaha

[timid vector]

yes -lich is the adverbial suffix like -ly in english, but it of course doesn't work for every word

[nimble sphinx]

or wohnlich, a very nice word

[nimble sphinx]

btw, here "erhältlich" exists

[nimble sphinx]

at least very nice sounding, very comfy sounding

bc thats kinda what it describes, but it also sounds that way :)

[timid vector]

knusprig is one of my favorite words because it sounds so knusprig

[nimble sphinx]

uuuh yeah, very nice one :)

[idle laurel]

here! ‘vom zweiten März bis zum dritten April’

[plain umbra]

Can you give an example?

Do you mean adverbs like "guten Morgen"?

[idle laurel]

why is it dritten and zweiten yeaaa

[plain umbra]

Ah okay.

This is because of the prepositions von and zu.

They are dative prepositions.

[idle laurel]

ahh thank you!!

means time usually holds the nominativ case without bis and zu?

eg: der März?

[plain umbra]

A noun by default (like in a dictionary) is in nominative case, yes.

But as an adverb without prepositions, time adverbs are either accusative or genitive.

For example "jeden Tag" is accusative, same as gute Nacht, guten Morgen, etc.

You can read more here: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Zeit/Time.html

[charred fog]

gute Nacht and guten Morgen aren't the same

they're shortened versions of "Ich wünsche dir eine/n gute/n Nacht/Morgen"

[patent knoll]

but they are still all in accusative. jeden Tag, gute Nacht, guten Morgen and so fort.

[delicate willow]

I'd say that it is the infinitive form of sein that is the exception rather than its participle.

[plain umbra]

Oh okay, sure.

[delicate willow]

The root is sei, which you can see in its imperative, for instance, "Sei nicht dumm!"

The infinitive is formed as the root + -en, the participle as the root + -end. So that would be *seien and seiend respectively, but this verb is irregular so the e is removed from the infinitive, resulting in sein.

[sand bronze]

Can I ask a question about something that I seriously dont understand?

[timid vector]

that's why the channel is here, yup

[sand bronze]

Okay så basically

I have to use personal pronouns in this sentence, two sec

i litterally dont know if i even understood it right

I have to use personal pronouns in stead of their names

[timid vector]

The prince finds sleeping beauty and gives her a kiss

well the personal pronouns in the green are correct

so if you did that gj

[sand bronze]

Thanks! So here is my question

I have to talk about what is speciel about nr. 7? So I'm thinking about maybe bc i need to use accusative with gibt?

[timid vector]

it's probably because geben takes an accusative and a dative object

so you use both

1. ihr (dative pronoun for sie)
2. einen Kuss (accusative)

he gives a kiss to her

[sand bronze]

Oooh, that makes sense!

I'll try and say that, if it wasn't what my teacher was thinking I'll just take it anyway. As long as I learn shit

[humble whale]

Is German a good language to speak?

[charred harbor]

That’s completely subjective

A lot of people speak it

And I personally like it

[long whale]

In which respect?

[humble whale]

to American.

[hoary wind]

Depends on your personal goals

[humble whale]

Okay

[scenic sun]

Hello, Any explanation why we used gar kein here?

Eigentlich bin ich gar kein so besonders abenteuerlicher typ

[undone verge]

gar kein emphasises the not, so he's not at all that kind of guy

[scenic sun]

Shouldn't Nicht be used here in this case?

[undone verge]

usually if you're negating a noun you use 'kein'

@scenic sun

to bend a more german english translation 'he is no such (kind of) guy'

[scenic sun]

I actually thought Bin is the negated object not typ

[undone verge]

bin is a verb

[scenic sun]

Alright got it, thanks for helping buddy.

[idle laurel]

hi! “Danke für die Einladung”, danke here is not from the verb Danken right?

[undone verge]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dank

Laut Wikipedia ist 'danke' vom Dank abgeleitet.

[ripe sorrel]

"während meines lebens" why is it in genitive here? The writer could have said "während meinen leben" am i right is there something that i dont understand

This is the full sentence: Während meines Lebens als ärztlicher Berater in Fällen von seelischen Erkrankungen

[timid vector]

it could never be "meinen Leben" because there is no case that Leben could take the ending -en

but während just takes genitive, that's how it works as a preposition

[ripe sorrel]

Oh ok i get it

But can i turn this verb into a noun using "das"

Like: das leben

[timid vector]

it's already a noun, never though about it but it probably is a nominalized verb (from leben)

[ripe sorrel]

Oh its already a noun? Damn im stupid xD

Thx for helping me 💜

[timid vector]

all capitalized words are nouns in german (except if the first word of the sentence is capitalized it might not be a noun since every word gets capitalized to start a sentence)

and np

[ripe sorrel]

Im sorry but i have another question about another part of the sentence

"in Fällen von seelischen Erkrankungen"

When i checked the meaning of "Fällen" it meant: to make, to come, to precipitate

But in this sentence it means "cases"

[undone verge]

it is the plural of 'der Fall' in dative (den Fällen)

der Fall as in 'the case'

[timid vector]

yeah rhats another rule- plural nouns in dative take an -n whenever possible

[ripe sorrel]

Ok thx 💜

[ripe sorrel]

I have a question

What does "nichts auszusagen" mean?

[narrow pier]

Hello , can you correct my text please ( Mrin Bruder hat mich jetzt abgerufen um mir mitzuteilen dass Leute, die interesse für die Deutsche Sprache haben, treffen sie sich ab und zu in City Star Cafe und unterhalten. Außerdem ihre Deutsch verbessern. Die meisten von ihnen sind Lehre darüber hinaus haben viele informationen über die Sprache. Ich kann in die Meetings teilnehmen und Auf Deutsch reden ! nicht nur diese Versammlungen verbessern meine Sprachkentnisse sondern auch befreunde ich viele Schlaue Person, die Deutsch sprechen. Schließlich werde ich keine Probleme haben, in die Mündlichen Teil der Prüfung zu bestehen. Fazit ist, ich weiß jetzt und bin sicher dass ich auf dem richtigen Weg bin )

[narrow pier]

From no context and translating litereally it means ( having nothing to say ) or ( don't you have anything to say? )

[ripe sorrel]

Context: Ich machte es mir zur strengen Aufgabe, nichts auszusagen, was ich nicht aus meiner Erfahrung belegen und beweisen konnte.

Can you also translate this whole sentence for me please?

[plain umbra]

Check out DeepL for translating sentences from German.

[ripe sorrel]

Ok thank you 💜

[plain umbra]

Feel free to ask if there's something about the translation that you want to know more about.

[ripe sorrel]

Sure

[dry olive]

ich möchte gern diese Frage wiederholen :)

das fragliche Buch (in der weiteren Erläuterung unter meiner Frage) kommt auch vorm Rechtschreibreform her

[devout nebula]

Hallo

[remote pike]

Ich schreibe ein Lied , das die ganze/gesamte Nation es kennen wird .. which is better to use here (gesamt oder ganz) and why

[rugged swift]

Ich glaube es ist egal, Hauptsache du machst "es" weg

...das die ganze Nation kennen wird.

[long whale]

This does not work. I'm not sure what you were trying to say.

[undone verge]

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/konjunktiv-1-oder-2

Laut Duden kann man Konkjunktiv 1 nicht nur für indirekte Rede sondern auch für irreale Vergleichssätze und Wünsche benutzen. Aber heutzutage benutzt man für das letztere öfter K.II. Das Phänomen sehe ich vor allem in alten Büchern.

[dry olive]

(es wurde vor 1996 veröffentlicht)

[dry olive]

dankeschön!!

[long whale]

Yes, so, it was published before the orthograpic reform? Not sure where you got the "vorm... her" from, it wouldn't work under any circumstances. "von X her" = either means something originated/started in X, or it means something like "from". 🤷

[dry olive]

ich dachte es mir einfach aus 😭

[covert flax]

When should "n-deklination" be used?

[undone verge]

faq n-deklination

[stoic mauve]

Weak Nouns

Weak nouns are called this way because they receive the same endings as adjectives inflected with weak endings. They take an additional ending -n in every case except nominative singular. This is also known as N-Declension and affects almost exclusively masculine nouns.

Nominativ: der Junge, die Junge__n__
Genitiv: des Junge__n__, der Junge__n__
Dativ: dem Junge__n__, den Junge__n__
Akkusativ: den Junge__n__, die Junge__n__

Some nouns end with a suffix -en to make the pronunciation easier:
der Mensch, den Mensch__en__

‼ Das Herz is the only non-masculine (neuter) noun with N-Declension❣

So how do we recognize these nouns? We can divide them into 3 big groups:

1. nouns of Greek and Latin origin,
2. nouns ending with -e (most of these refer to people or animals),
3. other random German nouns (Mensch, Herr, Student, Nachbar, Prinz etc.)

Another way to divide the groups could be:

1. nouns denoting male beings in general (der Bauer, der Knabe, der Herr, der Junge, der Kunde etc.)
2. nouns indicating nationality or religious affiliation (der Chinese, der Russe, der Türke, der Jude, der Katholik, der Protestant)
3. nouns designating male beings and ending in the foreign suffixes (-ant, -arch, -ast, -ege, -ent, -ist, -oge, -om, -oph, -ot: der Kollege, der Student, der Psychologe, der Polizist, der Philosoph)

‼ der Käse and words ending with -ee aren’t weak nouns.

Genitive of Weak Nouns
You might have noticed from the examples above that weak nouns don’t have the additional -s in genitive like other masculine nouns.
Some exceptions are das Herz and nouns of group 3 that don’t refer to people nor animals (Name, Wille, Glaube, Buchstabe etc.), which take both the -n and -s endings.
Example: der Name, des Name__ns__.

[narrow pier]

Hello, so If I say, I see that wall in back ground that has black lines over it, and I find that design beautiful,

I do not know how to describe the wall in German but here we go ( Im Hintergrumd sehe ich eine weiße Wand mit Schwarzen Strichen darüber hinaus finde ich ihn sehr elegant )

Korriegiert mich bitte

[delicate tiger]

eine weiß gekachelte Wand / a white tiled wall

[fervent kernel]

"Frag mich wie viele Nutzer wir rausgehen lassen weil wir mit diesem Admin nicht stoppt."

Ich habe gerade diesen Satz auf #german-only geschrieben. Wie würde es besser sein oder wie ist es falsch (Kurzforme oder Weglassen akzeptiert)?

Not: "Admin" ist ein Meme

[delicate tiger]

I have no Idea what that is supposed to mean

[near folio]

Im Hintergrund sehe ich eine weiße Wand mit schwarzen Strichen (oder: eine weiß gekachelte Wand). Darüber hinaus finde ich ihn sie sehr elegant.

[atomic sorrel]

Im Hintergrund sehe ich eine weiße Wand mit Schwarzen Strichen linien. darüber hinaus finde ich ihn sehr elegant schön

[undone verge]

worauf bezieht sich 'ihn' im zweiten Satz? (schwarzen kleingeschrieben, Linien groß)

[narrow pier]

finde ich sie ? ( If I say I find the wall beautiful, I have to use ihn, and if I talk about the design of the wall then I would say , ich finde es schön, but

[narrow pier]

But by ( ich finde sie sehr elegant ) you meant ( die Strichen ) right,

[near folio]

Du findest die Wand elegant. Die Wand = weiblich = sie.

[narrow pier]

And that makes more sense I guess

[narrow pier]

Oh sorry

Entschuldigung 😅

[atomic sorrel]

"den rest habe ich gerade erst bemerkt und dann nicht übersetzt

[narrow pier]

Linien oder Strichen, this was a question in my head ?

[narrow pier]

Hello, is at that context , you would spell ( die schwarzen ) small, because Strichen comes in front of it, but if in the second sentence I say ( die Schwarzen fimde ich elegant ) then Thats called Nominalized Adjectives , Ja ?

[undone verge]

yes, if the noun were Schwarzen you would capitalise it. but if it is an adjective you do not.

[narrow pier]

Thank you, and are Linien and Strichen in that context interchangeable

[undone verge]

I would use Streifen (stripes) or Linien

[narrow pier]

👍, Danke Dir

[fervent kernel]

"I wonder how many users we make leave because we won't stop with this Admin thing"

[undone verge]

worthwhile sentence tbh

[fervent kernel]

How would one say this in German? 🥺

[south zenith]

Ich würde sagen
'Ich frage mich wie viele Nutzer verlassen weil wir mit diesem Admin-Ding nicht aufhören'

[near folio]

(ich) frage(e) mich, wie viele Nutzer wir dazu gebracht haben, uns zu verlassen, weil wir mit diesem Admin-Ding nicht aufhören.

vielleicht so etwas. Damit bin ich nicht ganz zufrieden, aber ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher, was du ausdrücken willst.

[south zenith]

i dont really know how to say 'we make leave' in this sense, but its not needed either

[upbeat thicket]

Ich frage mich, wie viele Nutzer wir zum Verlassen des Servers bringen, weil wir nicht mit dieser Admin-Sache aufhören.

[fervent kernel]

Klingt sehr gut und kurz, danke!

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[delicate tiger]

"tönt" und ausschließlich 🇨🇭

[fervent kernel]

Besser? 🇩🇪

[narrow pier]

❤️

Hello, If I am looking at a picture and deacribing things, can I use ( Außerdem and darüber hinaus ) in my speech or those are used in writing not speaking

[night dagger]

Both are fine when speaking.

[narrow pier]

..
. And please, what great alternatives are out there for ( und ), I also know sowohl ... Als auch .., but that does not always work

[night dagger]

umd?

[narrow pier]

They are usually used when you want to add more information, or when you said too many things or said at end od speech, right?

[narrow pier]

Entschuldigung, Ich bin auf sem Handy, und mache viele Rechtschreibungsfehler

[night dagger]

They translate loosely to "additionally", "furthermore", etc. - so, when you want to add more information.

[narrow pier]

Oh ok, thanks

[night dagger]

Np, check the faq I just used in #questions. It has some info about dictionaries, translators, etc - will be very helpful.

[narrow pier]

Oh yeah totally they sure help, but I had problems with this word and now I can understand them

[narrow pier]

Obwohl ich habe sie nachgeschaut, hatte ich sie nicht völlig verstanden

Jetzt ist alles 👍

[long whale]

"außerdem" is fine both in speaking and in writing. And if it's for an oral exam, "darüber hinaus" is also fine (although it's otherwise mostly used in writing).

[narrow pier]

Vielen dank

[narrow pier]

Ich war vorher unsicher ob man sie in Sprechen benutzt

[vast violet]

kann man "dazu bringen, den Server zu verlassen" sagen oder klingt das unidiomatisch

[whole portal]

Nö, das klingt ganz gewöhnlich

[pine comet]

can someone explain the difference between bahnstation, bahnof and u-bahnstation

ping me if u reply

[long whale]

die Station = stop (where you can get on/off public transport); der Bahnhof = the train station, usually with some sort of building (which would remain, even if no trains stopped there). The U stands for "Underground/Untergrund". Hope this helps. Please note capitalization of nouns is not optional in German.

[pine comet]

i see.. thanks

[narrow pier]

Hello, does tag questions in German exist ( beruflich bist du Artzt, bist du nicht ?

In English : You are a Doctor for a living, aren't you ?

[long whale]

No. I mean, you can tag on "... nicht?" or "... oder?" but nothing else.

[narrow pier]

Can you give an exaple, and is it a Serious topic, like the cases in German to learn, or its informal and not good to use

[long whale]

It's totally informal.

[narrow pier]

Herzliches dank

[long whale]

Herzlichen Dank - Bitte, gern.

[pine comet]

when to use dein and deine? shouldnt it be deine in this case because maria is female?

[patent knoll]

it is dein because it refers to the Beruf, not to Maria ^^ @pine comet

here's also a list with all of them for you. since the question is in second person (because the question is asking Maria something) dein is used. and since Beruf is masculine and singular and in nominative (because of the structure of the sentence), it stays dein

https://language-easy.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Possessive-Pronouns-Tab-1.jpg

[scenic sun]

man kann einen schulabschluss nachholen
is there a proper translation for this? i mean nachholen meaning

[timid vector]

make up/catch up

[atomic sorrel]

You can catch up on a graduation

[timid vector]

but I'm sure there are exceptions like always

[atomic sorrel]

not sure if thats right

[timid vector]

Basically, I think you would preferably say "school work" in english, since you don't really fall behind in a graduation

or just "on your schooling"

[scenic sun]

well let's wait a native then

[timid vector]

I mean they'll literally say the same thing (which you could have also found using any dictionary) but aight

[modest marten]

I don't think there is a literal translation that fits the meaning exactly. "make up"/"catch up" is a good general translation, but in this case I would rather use something like (capturing the meaning, not word-by-word translation):
"It's (always) possible to finish [school/a school degree] [later/at a later time]."
If the translation should be more literal, I would probably use something along the lines of:
"One can (always) get a school degree afterwards."

I would use something different than "make up"/"catch up" because those to me have connotations I wouldn't want to have in the phrase.
"make up" for me goes too far in the direction of "make up for it", like rectifying a clear mistake.
"catch up" sound too much like a competition to me.
Both are connotations "nachholen" can have, but does not have to have and does not have in this circumstance.

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es Probleme oder Verbesserungsfähigkeite mit diesen Sätzen?

-> Die Gäste lächelten aufgeregt den Koch an, als er die Pfanne mit dem Omelett darin hochhielt.
-> Sie schnitt sich dann zwei Scheiben Brot ab und nahm die Nutella aus dem Schrank.
-> Schmidthaushalt kaufen ihr Gewürz immer im Supermarkt, welcher aus irgendeinem Grund zurzeit jeden Tag noch mehr berühmter wird. (vielleicht in diesem Satz kann "aus irgendeim Grund" nach "wird" gestellt werden?)
-> John war wegen Paris sehr besorgt, aber er ist dann seltsamerweise irgendwo total anders hingegangen: Berlin.
-> Wir haben das Menüschild angeguckt und bei der Kassiererin bestellt, was wir zu unserem Essen zu Trinken möchten.

[modest marten]

Ich schlage vor:

-> Die Gäste lächelten aufgeregt den Koch an, als er die Pfanne mit dem Omelett darin hochhielt.
-> Sie schnitt sich dann zwei Scheiben Brot ab und nahm die Nutella aus dem Schank.
-> Haushalt Schmidt (?) kaufen ihr Gewürz immer im Supermarkt, welcher aus irgendeinem Grund zurzeit jeden Tag noch berühmter wird.
-> John war wegen Paris sehr besorgt, aber er ist dann seltsamerweise irgendwo total anders hingegangen: Berlin.
-> Wir haben das Menüschild angeguckt und bei der Kassiererin bestellt, was wir zu unserem Essen zu Trinken möchten.

[fervent kernel]

Vielen Dank ⭐

[timid vector]

catch up doesn't have any implications of a competition (outside of maybe running? at least it definitely doesnt when talking about work/sleep etc), it simply means you got a little behind (missing assignments, you were absent etc) and are finishing work faster to get back to your current assignments

nachholen - etwas Versäumtes nachträglich erledigen (from dwds)

catch up - do tasks that one should have done earlier

[narrow pier]

Hello I have a question
( Der ideale Freitzeitsport ist meiner Ansicht nach Jogging )
I noticed something, so do these have the same meaning ( Meine Meinung nach = Meine Ansicht nach ) , and if I may ask why was in the first sentence ( meiner Ansicht and not meine Anischt ) why did it become dativ, in my example ?

[long whale]

"nach" requires Dativ, whether it's used as a preposition (nach der Party) or as a postposition "meiner Meinung/Ansicht nach".

[narrow pier]

I have not heard that ( postposition ),

Wie kann ich es nachachauen,

Does it just simoly apply that nach comes at end and it affects the declension of the pronoun or noun before it ?, One other quetion please

In this sentence ( heutzutage sieht man fast jedes Kind mit einem eigenen Handy ) So I looked up dclenaion of ( eigenen ) and its original,it Nominiativ was ( eigene ) with articles of course, but my question is, does the preposition affects the declension both of the thing ( ein and eigene )

Like if there is a prepostion in the sentence, to what extent does it affects the nouns and pronouns before it

?

[long whale]

Both prepositions and postpositions (rare and mostly optional) affect everything attached to the noun they refer to.

@narrow pier

The only exceptions are adverbs/adverbial adjectives describing other adjectives: Nach diesem unglaublich lauten Konzert war ich fast taub. "unglaublich/incredibly" describes how loud the concert was, because it wasn't an incredible concert, right? so, "unglaublich" doesn't get declined in this case. Does that make sense?

[narrow pier]

So you are saying, if a preposiotion exists it can change the case of the all things realted to it ( nouns, adjectives, prouns, and articles ) but in your example, "unglaublich" was not declined, because it describes another adjectiv

I understood it like this, but can I say, that ( unglaublich ) in your sentence, can be a (gradpartikel ) righ?, Gradpartikels, also decribe adjectives, if I remember correctly

[long whale]

Mm... I thought Gradpartikeln were the ones which never change, like "sehr", but yes, if that helps you, then cosider it a Gradpartikel here. :)

[narrow pier]

hello, what is this connector called in German, I know there must be a word ,
example ( Stuttgart is a City with a lot of mountains ), but ( München in contrast, or on the other hand is flat )

I though I would use ( anderenfalls ) or ( auf der anderen Seite ), but I am not sure and ( auf der anderen Seite ) is a part of (zweiteilige Konnektor ), I am not sure if it will work, just using it alone

[undone verge]

you could say 'wohingegen' or 'während', for example

[fiery dock]

my flash cards say "guck' mal" for "look at this"

what is the ' here, or should it just be "guck mal"

[undone verge]

it's not a word for word translation

and the apostrophe isn't necessary to my knowledge

[fiery dock]

what does it mean?

[undone verge]

idk if it's a typo or supposed to replace the e that sometimes comes on the end of imperatives

[narrow pier]

Thank you, the wohingegen sound very good, so my words, as I have thought won't work

[narrow pier]

Stuttgart hat viele Schöne Hügel, wohingegen ist München eine Flache Stadt ( it wont change word order right?, )

is this example correct`?

[long whale]

No. it's not correct. And yes, it will!

[upbeat thicket]

Olympiaberg ?

[long whale]

Also, "In Stuttgart gibt es viele schöne Hügel"

[long whale]

Yeah, let's just not get into it, shall we?

[upbeat thicket]

Es ist zumindest erwähnenswert.

[narrow pier]

könntest du mich korrigieren

bitte

[narrow pier]

yes, Rechtsschreibungsfehler , Vielen dank

[long whale]

Word order does change -> you can correct it yourself.

[narrow pier]

I formed my sentence, according to this one on google (1936 musste die evangelische Kirche wegen Bergschäden abgerissen werden, wohingegen der Friedhof erhalten blieb. )

[narrow pier]

I changed it, how is it now?

I just wnated to learn the word, not the whole grammer, thats they I asked for correction

I will learn it faster that way

[long whale]

Oh no, you did not. Where is the verb in the wohingegen-clause? - If you changed anything, please link to it. :)

[narrow pier]

I think you mean, there are also mountains in München and it is not flat, but I am very sorry, I extracted that sentence, from Easy German, so I can not argue

[long whale]

The word itself is of no use whatsoever to you, if you can't use it, because you don't know what kind of word it is, what kind of grammar it requires...

[narrow pier]

Stuttgart hat viele schöne Hügel, wohingegen München eine Flache Stadt ist( in wohingegen clause, I changed "ist " to second position, the only problem I saw

[long whale]

And there is still the same mistake in it. "wohingegen" requires subordinate clause word order.

[narrow pier]

Maybe thats a mistake, but I am doing it all the time, I am trying to do some studiyng, but end up, having a though, or noticing a grammer topic, that is not my level, and at the end, I lost my precious time

[narrow pier]

you mean, ( Nebensatz ) right?, well I changed it to that now

[long whale]

No problem. I will now refrain from wasting any more of your precious time. :)

[narrow pier]

oh

I did not mean that

I think I said something rude, Ich Entschuldige mich sehr

@long whale

I did not mean to say any offensive things, sorry

[upbeat thicket]

Ah well 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Why is hinterher afterwards if hinter=behind?

[charred fog]

can you give an example sentence where it means that?

[fervent kernel]

Vor der Prüfung habe ich so viel gelernt. Hinterher habe ich vieles wieder vergessen.

[charred fog]

well why is a difficult question

I guess that ties into how we view time as related to physical space and how that connects to how we talk about time

I mean, vor means both in front of and before

[fervent kernel]

"i stand in front of x"
"i stand before x"
thats different

[charred fog]

what?

[fervent kernel]

nvm

[charred fog]

I mean like "ich stehe vor dem Haus" and how the word was used here are both uses of it

[reef geyser]

warum "Würd' so gerne tauchen bis zum Grund" und nicht "Würd' so gerne tauchen bis dem Grund" ?

[south zenith]

'bis zu-' is a fairly common phrase and the 'zu' isnt necessary a lot of the time
though when you dont use 'zu', like in your second example, it wouldnt be dative, but nominative 'bis der Grund'

however, id say 'bis zum' is better suited there since it is talking in a physical/spatial sense

[reef geyser]

thank u so much . good explanation

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe eine Frage

Why is it "Ich gehe ins Museum" but "Ich gehe zum Hotel"

[south zenith]

both can work
'Ich gehe zum Museum' and 'Ich gehe ins Hotel' arent wrong either

[fervent kernel]

Ah, danke

[south zenith]

only note i would make is that it is 'ins' because both are neuter | 'ins' = 'in das'
das Hotel and das Museum
if the noun is not neuter it is not 'das'
masculine = in den
feminine = in die

[charred harbor]

Neither “in den” nor “in die” have abbreviations

Only “in das”

Realistically “in das” is almost always contracted

[fervent kernel]

Ja, ich verstehe

More generally, if i was saying that I was going to the Hotel, it would be far more common to use ins rather than zum correct?

[charred harbor]

They have different meanings

[south zenith]

ins literally means in the, so you wouldnt use it if you are not actually going into the hotel, but just to the building

[charred harbor]

“Ich gehe zum Hotel” means you go to it but you don’t necessarily go into it (you could go into it, or you could just stand in front of it)
“Ich gehe ins Hotel” specifically means you enter inside the building

[fervent kernel]

Dankeschön, that makes sense

[charred harbor]

Because Hotel is neuter the reaction “das” almost looks like a pun

🤣

[fervent kernel]

Eine andere Frage

What is the difference between 'zum Hotel' and 'bis zum Hotel'

[south zenith]

bis means 'until'
to 'zum Hotel' means 'to the hotel'
'bis zum Hotel' means 'until (you get to) the hotel'

it would mean your going, but stop when you get to the hotel
'fahre bis zum Hotel'

[charred harbor]

It’s honestly the same thing but with “bis” expressing a limit/end-point

[fervent kernel]

Viele dank, alles gut

[amber agate]

I'm doing an exercise where I should fill a preposition mit Dativ.
I can't figure out the following sentence:
____ Regen mag ich nicht joggen.
What do you think is the answer?

[undone verge]

Do you understand what the sentence 'should' say?

[amber agate]

I don't like jogging in rain.
Right?

[undone verge]

yeah exactly 🙂 so now you just need to figure out what preposition you need to use to say 'in the rain' in german

I think technically there's two options and I'm actually not 100% sure which works 'best' here. Option 1 is very very similar to how you'd say it in english (i.e. in the rain --> in + dative article + Regen)

Another common way to talk about weather in German is with the preposition 'bei'

[vital iris]

Hez guys what is the difference betwwen fertigkeit and fähigkeit

i also found the word geschick

[long whale]

Fertigkeit = skill; Fähhigkeit = ability. Please note capitalization of nouns isn't optional in German.

[amber agate]

I see. That's what I was missing. I also thought that I could use in but since the exercise was about prepositions in dativ only, I could not use it. Thank you so much

[long whale]

I think you're missing something else: if the question is "Where?/Wo?", Dativ is obligatory with Wechselpräpositionen. Yes, jogging is a movement, but you wouldn't be jogging towards the rain. ;)

[amber agate]

I don't get what you mean by the last sentence

Yes, jogging is a movement, but you wouldn't be jogging towards the rain.
Also, how does my answer says anything about not using dativ with Wechselpräpositionen? It wasn't at all about Wechselpräpositionen, or was it?

[long whale]

Ah, you were not supposed to use Wechselpräpositionen at all, is that it? In that case, yes, "bei" was was your only choice. :) Otherwise "Im Regen mag ich nicht joggen", resp. "Im Regen jogge ich nicht gern" would have worked. ;)

@amber agate

[amber agate]

Yes, I wasn't supposed to use Wechselpräpositionen. I'm sorry if my message was a bit confusing. Anyway, thank you for the additional information 🙂

[narrow pier]

Hello, I have a question, its from Audio of German exams,
die Frage : Welche Sendung folgt auf die Nachrichten
a- Eine Musiksendung
b-Nachrichten aus Össtereich
c-Eine Sendung aus der Politik

and you must listen to the audio, to get answer, here is that Part that answers the question
" Sie hören jeztz die 19-Uhr-Nachrichten. wegen der aktuellen politischen Ereignisse beginnt unsere musikalische Reise durch Österreich etwa 40 Minuten später. Im Anschluss an die Nachrichten folgt stattdessen die Sondersendung von Radio Direkt zum Besuch des französischen Staatspräsidenten in Berlin. Unser Korrespondent Christian Ziegler Sie direkt aus Berlin.

so my question is ( Was folgt auf die Nachrichten ) means , what comes after the news, and in the Audio it says " Im Anschluss an die Nachrichten folgt stattdessen die ....... " so Im Anschluss, " does this also mean, following that?,

in my opinion the Answer would be ( c ) after I looked at the transcription many times, can someone help me please?

[long whale]

Yes, answer C is correct. :)

[narrow pier]

Im Anschluss = folgt ( is this true )

[long whale]

Yes, same as "anschließend" -> it's what comes next. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Übrigens wollte ich fragen:

"Sie schnitt sich zwei Scheiben Brot ab" mit der "abschneiden" Form würde besser passen, weil der Aktor der Aktion die resultierenden Brotscheiben bekommt?

Wäre das dafür eine gute Erklärung, die Unterschied zwischen "schneiden" und "abschneiden"?

[long whale]

Not the person you were asking, but to my knowledge, the "ab-" implies there is a considerable bit left. If I'm cutting a whole loaf into slices, I might say "Ich schneide das [ganze] Brot in Scheiben". If I were cutting a slice of cake for you (off the whole rest of the cake), I'll say "Ich schneide dir eine Scheibe/ein Stück Kuchen ab" Does that help?

BTW, here's something about prefixes you may find helpful/interesting: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Separables.html#ab

[fervent kernel]

wow, that makes a lot of sense with regards to the meaning of the preposition!

thanks

i will check that source out now, too

[narrow pier]

thank you, I will look them , but one question , " Im Anschluss " can it be used alone?, or it must come with "folgen" as in my example (Im Anschluss an die Nachrichten folgt stattdessen die Sondersendung)

[amber agate]

I don't quite understand why mit isn't used in the following sentence instead of bei.
Bei dem Projekt hilft mir Paul und sein Bruder.
Any idea?

[long whale]

It's like "next", I'd say...

[long whale]

Because it's usually "jemandem bei etwas helfen" (mit/with is what happens in English)

[amber agate]

Thank you. That's interesting. I would naturally say mit because of the direct translation from English. I guess I have to remember this one

[narrow pier]

Hello

Does discord give thr Opputunity to send voice messages?

Its will be very helpful, if We can do this here in this server, when asking a question

Or if not possible, using Vocaroo here,

[night dagger]

Vocaroo is what people use for #pronunciation, so I would just use that.

[narrow pier]

is that channel, only for pronounciation, or it can be used for other things

[night dagger]

It’s a channel to check your pronunciation :)

[narrow pier]

Danke Dir

( here Dir has to be capitalized, because I am directly talking to you, right? )

my teacher said all personal pronouns like( ich, du er/sie/es, wir, ihr sie/Sie ) these has to be capitalized, when you are writing a letter, and you are speaking to the person directly, like for example asking them something

[night dagger]

Technically, yes, because this is what you would see in professional emails and the like. However, we’re using discord, it’s very casual - you don’t have to capitalize Du, Dir, etc. only the actual formal case: Sie, Ihnen…

[narrow pier]

I know Discord is casual, but I would have to do that in a test, Thank you so much

Verstanden

[zinc dock]

Hallo an alle.
( Rund ums Auto )
Warum " ums " endet mit " s"

[rare jetty]

Its basically just short for "um das"

Like in English when you unite "it" and "is" to "it's"

[zinc dock]

Perfekt, denke für dir.

[night dagger]

Btw, you will see these contractions quite a bit; sometimes they are colloquial, and sometimes they are not colloquial at all, rather, quite necessary to sound more natural.

"kannste" - "kannst du", this would be an example of colloquial language use; not necessary to speak this way at all.

"vom Baum" - "von dem Baum", this would be an example where it's normally much more idiomatic to use "vom" rather than "von dem". If you were to say "von dem Baum", that would indicate more specificity to a specific tree.

[fervent kernel]

@night dagger what shows /books did you read when you started geman that helped you learn a ton

[night dagger]

Everything possible.

[fervent kernel]

Yes good anything u recommend though

[night dagger]

Everything on Netflix and ZDF.

I would recommend Mord mit Aussicht, Der Tatortreiniger, Kleo, Phoenix.

Tribes of Europa, Dark.

Biohackers.

How to sell drugs online fast.

Anything you can get your hands on, watch it and see if you like it :).

[zinc dock]

Das ist super
Vielen Dank

[night dagger]

kein Ding

[oblique shoal]

Hallo 🙋‍♀️ Ich habe eine Frage..
Why does verb (lassen) here is konjugated differently

1. Lass uns jetzt die Hausaufgabe machen.
2. Lasst uns etwas kochen.
   Dankeschön im Voraus🙏

[timid vector]

lass (du) ...
lasst (ihr) ...

[oblique shoal]

I see! I always confused at this part especially when they leave it blank😂👍 thanks!

[night dagger]

Lassen used to be my least favorite word 😂.

[oblique shoal]

Eep you are right about that! They can come in many forms😭 and I avoided using it in certain situations

[charred fog]

I remember I saw a really good table for preposition + article contractions but I'm not sure where it is

I'll send it if I find it

@zinc dock here

[fervent kernel]

Ich möchte meine große Wohnung gegen eine klein**__ere __**tauschen

Where did this "ere" come from?
Is there a table for this?

[charred fog]

-er at the end of an adjective means the exact same as it does in English

kleiner = smaller

and then the -e is added on because of regular declension rules in accusative feminine (feminine because the word "Wohnung" is implied already, it's "gegen eine kleinere (Wohnung)" but it sounds better omitted because it's already very obvious from context)

[fervent kernel]

ja
danke schön

[charred fog]

not sure why you circled that, that's neuter and the example is feminine

[fervent kernel]

ahh sorry

I was learning for 2 hours and im little bit tired

[nimble viper]

These adjective tables are a headache, no worries. Hopefully you get it soon and never have to use it again

eig imo absolute torture those tables are