general-2

[silver geode]

is this active

[arctic atlas]

@sturdy shadow @nocturne frost found this while cleaning up

[sturdy shadow]

Ayyyy

[vapid glacier]

??

[nocturne frost]

Haha

Thank god the names aren't there so nobody can see how bad I did

[sudden panther]

@brave flint I've deleted your question from #942470380692590632, since it's specifically meant for questions about German. To answer it, they work just like any other voice channel. Join and talk to people, but there's a size limit to allow for a more private atmosphere. See also #channel-directory for information about all our channels.

[brave flint]

Ok

[opal trellis]

G'day peeps, hope y'alls day was great so far or is going to be great

[left jolt]

wesh wallahh

[twilit igloo]

Gotta get up at 6 am
(I slept til 14:30 yesterday)

[void mortar]

Hello everyone

[void mortar]

Does anyone like German music?

[floral tapir]

Ja, ich lebe es

(correct me if that is wrong)

[tardy palm]

ich liebe es*

lebe means live, not love

[floral tapir]

k

[tardy palm]

I listen to it all the time

[void mortar]

I like old German music, German classics. My favorite German artists are Comedian Harmonists, Rudolf Schock, Fritz Schulz-Reichel, Will Glahé, Horst Winter, James Last, Drafi Deutscher, Michael Holm, Max Greger, Conny Froboess, Franzl Lang and Frank Zander.

[floral tapir]

i know an artist, Dota Kehr.

i only know ein of her songs

Shön Gunug i (think) its called

wait, wrong artist

[tardy palm]

I listen to totally different stuff xD

[marsh torrent]

I only know of the Comedian Harmonists from that movie about them that I had to watch several times over my German learning career.

Most of the German language artists I know come from the 80s or the 2010s. I like Kraftwerk, die Krupps, Grauzone, die Nerven, die Selektion, Konstantin Unwohl, Tocotronic and some others

[hot cloak]

wonder why this server keeps growing

[opal sequoia]

How do you mean?

[hot cloak]

i mean more and more people who wanna learn german discover discord that's why

here you can actually talk with natives

[mystic badge]

Horosho

[terse heron]

Hello

[sick quest]

Is Danish easier to learn than German?

I'll be visiting Denmark this year, so that's why I ask

[bright kayak]

It depends on what you mean by easier. Grammatically, yes. It's actually very easy grammatically for an English speaker

That said, you'll likely have much more trouble actually pronouncing Danish; it's more or less in the impossible to pronounce status compared to German which has pretty easy pronunciation

Moreover, Denmark is much more accustomed to English than e.g. German because of it being a small country. English is quite a bit more prevalent than in Germany and people are on average a little bit better than in Germany, France, Italy, etc., where bigger languages are spoken.

What this means for you is that you may have trouble with people talking back to you in English if you're a beginner. Then again, maybe not.

Overall, Danish is the easier language for an English native speaker in its written form by a landslide, I'd say. In practical contexts, not so much.

Hope that helps

[sick quest]

That helped a lot. Thank you very much.

[finite laurel]

Hello!

[copper widget]

hallo

[copper widget]

say it in german 👀😂

[shy tartan]

So I was trying out lingodeer and this made me mad

[finite laurel]

Hallo, Es tut mir leid 😅

[spare canyon]

Why? 👀

[livid imp]

Hii!

[hot cloak]

They got the error wrong

[pastel snow]

They typed eine mann

Isnt it supposed to be ein mann

[hot cloak]

Yeah, but the error they highlighted was the spelling of Mann, which he spelled correctly

[pastel snow]

Oh

Lol

[tiny nest]

What do you guys use to learn/practice German?

[warped dove]

I'm using Pimsleur and Duolingo but I'm also trying to find some more reading/ writing practice. My vocab needs work

[potent horizon]

anyone else using babbel?

[warped dove]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

I'm going to check this one out too

@potent horizon I've never tried it. How is it?

[potent horizon]

im liking it a lot so far, and i believe its working. i just seem to be forgetting lessons from weeks ago. their review system really only lets u review vocab rather than grammar structrue

[warped dove]

@potent horizon yeah, Pimsleur feels like that too. I've also realized I hear much better than I read since it's mostly listening exercises, so rn my spelling sucks

[potent horizon]

ah i think im the opposite

it takes me a while to understand when things are being said

im still very much a beginner tho

[warped dove]

same. I'm honestly a bit overwhelmed looking at all these forums, but glad there's a lot of resources to learn!

[potent horizon]

def a lot of resources

[final ridge]

grammar is the most important thing in german in my opinion

I wish I could find the name of this one book i used, it was really helpful

[warped dove]

@final ridge Would it be best to focus on grammar drills more or building up a vocab initially?

[final ridge]

I would recommend focusing on grammar more to begin with, reading helps alot with comprehension of that stuff (I actually really like duolingo stories)

also @warped dove I would highly reccomend this book

[warped dove]

@final ridge Sweet, danke schon!

[merry inlet]

Sie ist ein Frau und er ist eine Mann

[shy tartan]

@merry inlet and the eine wasn't the part that was wrong

[merry inlet]

It is wrong there though

I got the articles in my sentence back to front on purpose as a joke

[hot cloak]

Hello

[timber minnow]

What's up?

[deft cliff]

Hi

[whole elm]

Wie gehts

[vivid delta]

there is ice cream in zootopia. where do they get the milk?

[wraith marten]

Menschen

[alpine isle]

Was gehts

[wraith marten]

Jo

[dire seal]

The humans

[wild ridge]

is lingodeer any good?

[hot cloak]

Same question, looks very interesting

@tardy palm you speak English and German?

Or what else?

[tardy palm]

yes

[hot cloak]

And what else?

Or is that it?

[tardy palm]

uh well that is all for now...I would like to learn a third, I just have not had the time to properly start plus I lack motivation atm

[hot cloak]

What language would you consider learning?

[tardy palm]

I mean it's more than most Americans can say so I am already happy with it

[hot cloak]

True

[tardy palm]

preferably another Germanic one or possibly Russian because it's interesting but Germany also has citizens in it that are Russian or their parents are from there so they know it

[hot cloak]

I should probably learn French at some point given Canada being a legally billingual country (which I disagree with)

[tardy palm]

I even know a few Russian-Germans

[tardy palm]

why?

[hot cloak]

Because it's litteraly only quebec

To be pm you have to know french

To be a senior government official you gotta know French

Just isn't fair

[tardy palm]

did you ever realize the USA does not technically have an official language @hot cloak

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/20/us/english-us-official-language-trnd/index.html

[dusty peak]

Sup. Do you know some way to learn German while in headphones?

Like without reading

[tardy palm]

music?

[dusty peak]

So that I could learn while walking/commuting

Music would probably be too advanced for me

Or idk, rammstein doesn't sound hard, but again, if I don't know a word, I won't be able to learn it just on the fly

[compact wagon]

maybe you need to get some easy audio book that reads out both german and english line by line

i am sure such a thing exists. but dont know where

[dusty peak]

Maybe, yeah

[hot cloak]

Yes

[hot cloak]

I tried listening to children's audiobooks on Google Podcasts

It's free btw

[dusty peak]

Thanks!

[hot cloak]

А кстати сколько ты изучаешь немецкий?

[dusty peak]

2 months

[hot cloak]

Any good progress yet?

[dusty peak]

Yes absolutely. I can already, to some extent, read some beginner-friendly magazines

not to mention being able to build some sentences

[hot cloak]

Might I ask what resources do you use? I'm interested as a fellow beginner

[dusty peak]

I use my tutor mainly XD

[hot cloak]

ahh

[dusty peak]

But also this chat (for checking hw and questions), Nico Weg (the video and the website with excersises), and read that magazine

called "Deutsch Perfekt"

[hot cloak]

nice

I use deutsch perfekt too

[hot cloak]

What is this logo and why is it on 75% of german youtube I watch ?

[solemn ridge]

FUNK is the youth program of ARD and ZDF, the public-legal TV programs of Germany

[hot cloak]

Oh ok, thanks ! Didn’t know ARD and ZDF were together

Now I’m ashamed I’m watching stuff for kids haha

[solemn ridge]

Technically they are separate programs but they both provide kind of the same stuff broadcasted on TV as given by the government

[solemn ridge]

If you would watch KIKA that is purely children program, FUNK is more for people from 13-30

[hot cloak]

Oh good, thank you

It’s interesting how the government channels in Germany invest so much in youtube

That’s quite unique

[twilit igloo]

Teenagers are more likely to watch YouTube than ZDF and ARD

[sharp lantern]

^

[hot cloak]

Yeah but it seems to be the only country (I know of) that realises that

[solemn ridge]

Some criticism about that system is also there because as German laws also apply to internet, FUNK channels are not allowed to do advertisements to generate money. Therefore they are completely free in their choice of doing whatever they want but it seems they manipulate YouTube quite hard

[dusty bobcat]

simplicissimus is making good youtube content

also a part of FUNK

[modern urchin]

Guten Abend zusammen, mein Name ist NiKi, ich treffe gerne Freunde aus verschiedenen Ländern.

[wild ridge]

https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/deutsch-warum-nicht-series-1/s-2549
it might be useful

[dusty peak]

Thanks

[wild ridge]

there is also https://www.languagetransfer.org/app
but they recommend focused/active listening

[dusty peak]

I see

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/die-sind-halt-ubel-dumm-dummy-hand-of-blood-hänno-gif-15752124

[sudden panther]

@tender mesa hello, welcome! Please note that only German and English are allowed on this server outside of #other-languages.

[tender mesa]

Ja, aber sie ziehen es vor, nicht zu riskieren, Babys zu machen, um die Nouriren nicht zu erreichen, und vor allem gibt es zu viel Einwanderung, viele Frauen nicht viele Männer
Die meisten jungen Araber denken, sie nach Europa gehen, nicht die Moral für die Ehe haben, es ist ihre letzte ihrer Sorge

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/was-machen-sachen-interview-gif-8246012

[dusty bobcat]

i can hear this gif

[sharp lantern]

@pliant geyser Please don't use this server to advertise

[strong stratus]

Hi, @gritty fox I'd suggest reading #writing-info . It explains how you can receive corrections here

[gritty fox]

@strong stratus ok vielen dank

[opaque acorn]

guys, I need some advice.

I studied German for nearly 1.5 years on my own.

then had to take a 6-7 month long break due to exams and stuff

now I am in a situation where I remember many things, but have forgotten some important stuff (mostly vocab)

how do I proceed?

like, I remember Perfekt and Subjunctive...but forgot the word for running 😒

[devout pewter]

läuft

did I help?

[opaque acorn]

yeah I know that now 😂
I was giving an example

[opaque acorn]

not yet

just tell me how do u get back on track after a 7 month long break....I remember like 60-70% of what I used to know

[raw basin]

if you watch sutff in your native language with german subtitles, it'd prob help you remember the rest

[opaque acorn]

Ahh thanks

Any more tips?

[raw basin]

i mean you could do quizlets of words you forgot

[woeful matrix]

@autumn matrix @fair iron @coarse palm @tiny violet i want to join

[coarse palm]

@sharp lantern hello are you online can you put alya in our channel

pleaaase aldi pleaaase

[woeful matrix]

Aldi pleaseeeee

[coarse palm]

aldiiii

[fair iron]

Alyaaa! I love you.

[woeful matrix]

@arctic atlas syro are u free syro

I love you too cascaaaa

[coarse palm]

pleaaase syro pleaase

[arctic atlas]

Just switch to a bigger VC ?

[fair iron]

Stranger danger.

[woeful matrix]

Helpers joined the vc even if it was full why not anymore?

[woeful matrix]

Pls syro pls

[autumn matrix]

join alya

[fair iron]

@woeful matrix Join. ^^

[autumn matrix]

blu 3

[coarse palm]

alya we're in group 6

[woeful matrix]

Yay thankkkk

[drifting topaz]

Hallo ~

[half plaza]

hallo

[turbid eagle]

[hot cloak]

Hallo wie geht's ihr?

[hot cloak]

hello

[sudden panther]

@crystal robin quite frankly no idea what that was, but please don't use this server to advertise or to encourage hate/bullying.

[broken stone]

Hi

Guten abend zusammen , meine name ist racha , ich bin aus algeria und ich mochte habe vielen freunde dass spriche deutsch

[forest portal]

Hallo Bruder-bruder

[broken stone]

Danke schon meine bruden

Du bist aus algeria ?

[forest portal]

Nee marokko

Woher kommst du (Stadt)

[broken stone]

Oooooo

3alama

Tbarak alikkom

Ich bin aus algier

Hast du facebook ?

[jagged copper]

Hello guys I have a question I'm lerning German from home I'm doing very well but I start forgetting what I know because things start being more hard im and i will not give up no fucking way can you give tips to fix that or is that normal sometime im confuse and i really like german and i can speak it a little im so close to finish A2

[forest portal]

Jaa ich hab

[forest portal]

Ich bin Algier *

[hot cloak]

If you use the language daily, you will not forget as much

[jagged copper]

I didn't forget that much

I just wanna know

how long I need to start speaking fluently

Hahaha

[hot cloak]

Hm, depends

What is your native language? How much time do you study every day?

[jagged copper]

native language is English

Everyday between 6 and 4 hours

I enjoy lerning german

[viscid hemlock]

hi

[sudden rain]

Hellö

[untold crown]

Hi

[restive atlas]

Hey

[pure spoke]

Only cool people use general 2

[restive atlas]

Ich stimme dir zu

Xd

[whole elm]

Well i just revise my notebook where i have written down all the important points

Regarding grammer

[jagged copper]

Danke

[whole rapids]

1,5-2 Jahre, aber es kommt natürlich darauf an, wie viel du jeden Tag übst und wie du lernst.

[jagged copper]

Ja du hast recht

[charred forge]

@rapid raft I studied Linguistics. Since then it was just a cascade of unknown turns.

So I'm currently trying to reimagine myself, because I feel like the further I go, the more problematic this becomes

Mechanical engineering sounds great, if you enjoy it

[rapid raft]

ah nice idk wot am gonna do after my under grad

[rapid raft]

yes "if"

[charred forge]

I was doing computer science and robotics back in school. But my father insisted I should study Chinese and I didn't have enough of my own opinion to retort

It kind of went in random directions since then

[charred forge]

Why did you go in the first place?

[tender star]

That sounds so hectic

Chinese?

[charred forge]

It is indeed.
Yeah, he had friends and China was starting to get big economically back then

This is how I fell into this linguistics rut.
But I learned to enjoy it

This is why I'm studying German now. I wanted to go study there for a long time, although it's a reach

[rapid raft]

parents

[charred forge]

B R U H

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-mmhmm-meme-mmhmm-gif-mmhmm-twitch-gif-23291803

[rapid raft]

[pure bronze]

[charred forge]

Don't be too hard on yourself though

[tender star]

Sounds right in their perspective ig

[rapid raft]

they wot i wanted to do i didnt know wot i wanted so they were like just do wot v say

[rapid raft]

yea am just chillin

[charred forge]

Is that "I'm in pain" kind of chillin'? 🙂

[tender star]

I am apparently completely free to do what I want

[charred forge]

Yeah, worst thing, it leads you into just getting generally disinterested in things. But there are so many interesting things out there.

It's as if you brain learned something it shouldn't have

[rapid raft]

goin to cllg is pain ye but am doin the stuff i like after that so all good

but am not studyin properly thats gonna be a prob

[charred forge]

No wonder.
I personally eventually dropped out. It didn't hurt me in the end, but I should've probably powered through anyway

Idk

It's the loss of direction that really is an issue

[rapid raft]

i would dropout if i knew wot i want to do

[charred forge]

This is a rational thought, you are right

TMI, but I dropped out because my father told me I'm not his son anymore 🙂 I'm a mess

What I think now, is that sometimes you have to fake it a bit, until you make it

Dawdling never helps anyone

[rapid raft]

thats wot am doin,i think my parents would support me if i dropped out and had somethin to do

but i am like productive everyday not in terms of studyin

i just study in the last min

i thought i was like havin a bad life or somthin ,caus my frnds would be partyin and shit i wouldnt

but then i realized i was wrong and in fact i am livin my life exxcept for the cllg part lol

[charred forge]

It's always the same thing, isn't it?
The same reasons, the same symptoms

Partying is great, unless it hurts your future

[rapid raft]

i literally dont have time to party

lol

[charred forge]

These are not the final parties anyway

[tender star]

Club is so addictive man

[charred forge]

It's primal and communal, what's not to like?

We are attuned to like it

[lost fulcrum]

hahaha

for chill chat and random convos

[sharp lantern]

@lost fulcrum please don't use this server to advertise

[rapid raft]

i have literally not even had a proper drink lol

[charred forge]

Not like you lost anything, really

Just my 5 cents

[rapid raft]

i thought somethin was wrong with me for havin no intrest in havin a drink caus eeveryone was lol

[charred forge]

At some point I just stopped pretending and found an identity in it.
People always react to change, but most were cool with it

[rapid raft]

i am into fitness and i got certain goals cant get it ruined by partyin and shit

[verbal shoal]

Ok

[simple kestrel]

omg zaddy zuccerberg

[fast trout]

Hii everyone

[hot cloak]

Hi

[outer igloo]

Hallo

[left jolt]

dein Hund sieht schön aus

[hot cloak]

It's a fast fish

[tardy palm]

You have to want to learn tho. But knowing if you really have the drive for it all, you need to know what you are signing up for imo
@naive charm what you are signing up for is one of the best experience you will have in my biased opinion. There just seem to be like endless advantages.

[naive charm]

"one of the best experience you will have" seems vague, but I can totally feel that

[tardy palm]

Did you want me to go into detail?

It was vague on purpose.

I was trying not to write a giant paragraph lol

I could literally say so much about it

[naive charm]

I know that feel

[tardy palm]

oh also I swear I wrote experiences but it didn't come out like that

[charred forge]

I see nothing wrong in writing giant paragraphs

I think we all read pretty well

by now

[elfin geode]

bj

[dusk wing]

69

[spark torrent]

Makes sense

[sudden panther]

@cold pewter @wicked parrot @weary fiberdue to reports from users in VC, your Level B roles have been removed. Please don't use this server to troll or mislead people about your German level.

[cold pewter]

war ausversehen

[fathom spoke]

verschenkt halt native und lasst die luete net iwelche nblödel geschichten schreiben

[sudden panther]

@lavish pine same goes for you.

[spark meadow]

wtf even are those names

[cold pewter]

was haben sie gegem meinen namen?

[spark meadow]

nichts effektives .-.

[cold pewter]

da ham was jetzt fühl ich mich bisschen unterdrückt von dir

[spark meadow]

joa, hört sich nach einem du-problem an

[cold pewter]

ich weiß immernoch nich was man gegen ne weißwurst im weck habe kann

aber dein name weiß ich ach nich was man von halten soll

[spark meadow]

a) ist das ein Verbrechen gegen die Menschheit
b) gings mir da viel eher um einen anderen Namen xD

[cold pewter]

besser ises ich find mein name nämlich super

[spark meadow]

ich kann dich nicht zwingen den zu ändern, das müssen Mods machen, er ist nur seeehr fragwürdig meiner Meinung nach

[cold pewter]

Ich finde Gurkenwas Serima Rsch kein fragwürdiger name

[spark meadow]

aua xD

[wicked parrot]

Fass dir bitte erstmal an deine eigene Nase 😉

[wicked yew]

[untold crown]

:‘)))

[nova anchor]

This cool and energetic song is one of the best singers in the world and a record holder on Instagram and YouTube.
Dedicated to my new friends
Enjoy ♥

[dusky stratus]

Wieso, was ist 1 "Weck"?

Ist das Slang für Hintern oder so? 😄

[lofty cedar]

Ich vermute mal es steht für ein 'Weck-Glas' also ein einmach Glas

[dusky stratus]

Hm. WeißwurstImGlas? Ok

[solemn ridge]

Das is ja das Verbrechen an der Menschheit

[signal ruin]

Hey

Welche Rolle brauche ich für den Voice?

[strong stratus]

Es ist eher: welche Rolle brauchst du nicht

ex limited permissions

[rocky goblet]

Limited Permissions

See the last bullet point [here](#getting-started message) in #getting-started!

[strong stratus]

Lies mal das hier, da wird es erklärt!

[covert surge]

@deft beacon Du bist verzögern

[solemn galleon]

faq gender patterns

[rocky goblet]

**Masculine words (der)**

• profession/role names (der Verkäufer, der Lehrer)
• many elements of time (der Tag, der Monat, der Winter)
• cardinal directions (der Norden, der Süden)
• words ending in:
  -- -ig der König, der Teig
  -- -ling der Neuling, der Schwächling
  -- -ant der Praktikant, der Elefant
  -- -ismus der Faschismus, der Sozialismus

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[steel grove]

I've hit 1000 cards on anki. Only 3000 more to go

[mint echo]

Good going mate

[vivid hound]

E

[steel grove]

thanks. i read your message as good morning mate which is why i said hi if you saw my deleted message lol

[bright zealot]

Hey

[untold crown]

Hey

[harsh burrow]

very cool, what kind of deck do you use, individual words, sentences or something else?

[hot cloak]

Does anyone inow what sur is

[harsh burrow]

might stand for Surfleisch?
Surfleisch ist eingesalzenes und mit Gewürzen behandeltes Schweinefleisch
salted and spiced pork

[unique wind]

Looks yummy, guten appetit!

[hot cloak]

Danke

[hot cloak]

Ah no wonder it was so salty, can’t taste the spice though

[fleet helm]

🤤

[steel grove]

It's a combination of words and phrases

[visual cloud]

ANKI RULES

[steel grove]

yeah. The only problem is I think my brain is associating the word with how the cards look instead of the meaning sometimes, which is obviously a problem. But I'm definitely learning a lot of words.

[visual cloud]

Have you tried adding pictures to your cards?

[steel grove]

it's a deck of 4000 words and phrases that I downloaded so it would take forever to do that. But if I ever make my own deck for certain things I'll do that.

[visual cloud]

Ohhhh

I use my own created decks

[steel grove]

yeah I'll probably make my own decks for certain things at some point

[visual cloud]

It’s useful

Learning words that are in downloadable decks is a decent idea if you just wanna passively know random words

I find it useful to find words I would like to know first, get acquainted with them, and then add them to my cards

[steel grove]

It's a deck based on frequency. So theoretically it's the 4000 most used German words.

So I figured that would be very useful

[visual cloud]

Ohhh

[sharp lantern]

technically you can also look up the german word on google images

[steel grove]

true

[cerulean ingot]

ggff

[shell cargo]

oh can you send me a download link?

[random lotus]

hi

[strong stratus]

hey @sweet frost, welcome! Make sure to read #getting-started carefully for information on how to jоin vоice and more

[steel grove]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/653061995

[sweet frost]

Ja gut, muss ich noch ca. 10 minuten warten

[inland halo]

Hallo Leute, ich komme aus Vietnam und möchte mit jemandem Deutsch sprechen, um mein Deutsch zu verbessern :)

[hot cloak]

Hallo zusammen! Kennt jemand vielleicht Türkisch- oder Russisch-Muttersprachler in Deutschland, die Deutsch auf dem B2 Niveau sprechen? Ich suche dringend welche, die mir bei meiner Online-Studie weiterhelfen und sich dabei 10€ dazuverdienen wollen. Mehr Infos stehen auf dem Bild. Bei Fragen oder Interesse, schreibt gerne eine Email ([e-mail]). Danke schon mal! (:

[hot cloak]

Ich kenne schon einige. Die Frage ist ja, ob ich Entschädigungen bekomme wenn ich sie über die Umfrage informiere 😂
ne spaß. Leider benutzen meine russischen freunde kein Discord. Also kann dir leider nicht weiterhelfen

[hot cloak]

Schade, ja, so funktioniert das leider nicht😅 aber vielleicht wollen sie es ja teilen, wenn du ihnen woanders davon erzählst/ihnen das Foto schickst😉

[hot cloak]

Aber natürlich kann ich das machen aber ob sie mitmachen möchten kann ich nicht versprechen ja.. ich werde das bild in unsre Gruppe reinschicken

[hot cloak]

Super, vielen Dank!👍

[pure bronze]

@sudden panther idk how do get that right font

[sudden panther]

mmm that was a nightmare 😍 I used helvetica narrow bold it was good enough

[pure bronze]

And this stupid colour transition

[sudden panther]

The original code drew a gradient, then "cropped out" the letter shape from it. But that was python. No clue if bufferedimage alone is powerful enough to do that.

[hot cloak]

Wünsche dir viel Erfolg! Habs weitergegeben

[pure bronze]

also I should somehow trim the text

[opal sequoia]

@cursive scroll Please don't spam.

[cursive scroll]

Ok sorry

[mystic badge]

Pls spam

Ill bring the bread

[dusty peak]

Morgen, habt ihr einige Texte, die ich auf Deutsch übersetzen könne? (ich bin A2)

[upbeat idol]

http://friendship.leigh.cool/index.php
you can use this

[sonic oar]

Hi there,
my name is vasanth , I have started learning german via dw deutsch lernen.

1st person wir mögen
2nd person ihr mögt
3rd person sie mögen
Formal Sie mögen

Need help with this conjunction?

ok

[sudden panther]

Hello @peak crypt, please avoid asking the same question in multiple channels. It wastes people's time and the bot detects it as spam.

[peak crypt]

ok sorry

[sudden panther]

@dapper star please stop speaking languages other than German in #german-only

And for that matter, keep in mind that every other channel is German or English only. If you want to speak Italian, go to #other-languages.

[slate yoke]

@sudden panther Thank you for redirecting!

[dense elm]

How to learn German in five days ?

im new here

[sharp lantern]

welcome, that's not a realistic goal though

[dense elm]

i just want to learn how to ask for price or a specific bread in the market... its been challenging lately

[dense elm]

Do you speak German tho ?

[slate yoke]

I speak german. as many of the members here do. I can help. just dm and we can practice

[long sequoia]

Hallo!

[hot cloak]

I'm looking for someone to practice my German speaking

[long sequoia]

Ich bin müde, aber ich will nicht schlafen 😭 d

Help

[hot cloak]

@long sequoia wie kann ich dir helfen?

[long sequoia]

Nothing really,just can't sleep

[slate yoke]

I can help

[hot cloak]

@slate yoke can I DM you? I want to practice German

[slate yoke]

yes

[hot cloak]

Dankeschön

[slate yoke]

Coffee will do the opposite of you falling asleep.

[lapis frost]

😄

@slate yoke Why I got the vibe of that you are a female 🤔

[naive epoch]

what did i miss?

[long sequoia]

Was trying to say I'm tired but I can't sleep

Idk if I wrote it correctly 🤦🏻

[naive epoch]

well

[wary wave]

do you guys prefer coffee or tea

I'm curious

[hot cloak]

coffee

need my kaffeine :v

[wary wave]

hehe right

I can't choose one actually

[hot cloak]

i can understand that haha

but for me coffee all the way 😄

[wary wave]

I think I'd say tea bc the variety it has 0.0 everything can become a tea at some point

you can always try some new tea

[hot cloak]

was like 6 months allright i only like my coffee with a little bit of sweetener and a lot of milk

and then i discovered espresso

xD

[wary wave]

HAHA

[hot cloak]

amazing difference 😄

[wary wave]

espresso hits different

[hot cloak]

for sure!

[hot cloak]

oh yeah thats true, so many options and well there is also black tea with a lot of kaffeine

[wary wave]

yeah... I'm a Turkish, so I consume gallons of black tea on a daily basis

[hot cloak]

ahhhh well turkish tea is amazing

c:

[wary wave]

ehehehhe i know right!

ok thanks for the little coffee or tea talk I gotta go to class now see youuu

[hot cloak]

have fun!

see ya 😄

[wary wave]

[naive epoch]

sup

[hot cloak]

henloo

[naive epoch]

hello

[hot cloak]

how are u doing? 😄

[pallid token]

pass the cay my friend

[wary wave]

https://tenor.com/view/karadeniz-cay-tea-pour-gif-11156755

[hot cloak]

😄

[wary wave]

do you want demli or light?

[naive epoch]

good hbu?

[hot cloak]

if i get the chance always demli 😄

[hot cloak]

im doin pretty good thank u 🙂

[wary wave]

you really love caffeine

[hot cloak]

for sure xD

[wary wave]

:)))

[hot cloak]

the only addiction i like to keep up haha

[wary wave]

ahahahah

[hot cloak]

[pallid token]

Light, thanks. ❤️

[hot cloak]

who?

:3

[pallid token]

Geh dich ins Knie.

[hot cloak]

hehehe

[wary wave]

❤️

[pallid token]

Canim benim

[hot cloak]

hol up

<_>

[wary wave]

ahajdkoapejdıwolajidşew

are you turkish or

but generally Turkish people don't drink the cay light

sus

[hot cloak]

hahaha he is a special case 😄

[wary wave]

ahjahsjahad

[pallid token]

I was born in Turkey (Sivas roots) but raised in Germany

[wary wave]

oooohhh i see

[pallid token]

Still waiting since 4-5 years to get my german passport but idk whats going on up there

[wary wave]

canim benim ahahhaha

[pallid token]

hahaah ❤️

[pallid token]

I was just testing you

Make it as dark as you want

[wary wave]

YESS

you know the way it is

[hot cloak]

can do u know da wae

we have to find the queen

uganda knuckle sounds

[wary wave]

ahdghjpaşjdhnowlad

[pallid token]

hes stuck in 2019

[hot cloak]

nooo

but uganda knuckles is one of the best memes of the last 3-4 years

😄

[wary wave]

hahhaahs

[hot cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ugandan-knuckles-gif-15852008

moore poweer 😄

[sage kayak]

Der Bot mag nicht in mehreren Channels die gleiche Nachricht sehen. Benutz erstmal nicht alleinstehende ":0" @hot cloak

[hot cloak]

okaay dankeschön

😄

[sage kayak]

Kein Ding und willkommen zurück!

[hot cloak]

❤️

[sudden panther]

@hot cloak please avoid posting just ":0" for the next 24 hours. Since you got muted for spamming it, the bot has picked it up and will again continue muting you for it.

[hot cloak]

thank you ._.

im sorry

[strong stratus]

[hot cloak]

[wanton phoenix]

:0

[hot cloak]

#freebrandon

😄

[wanton phoenix]

#SendBrandonToGuillotine

ok sorry

[hot cloak]

hahaha

staahp :3

[daring oar]

Hallo

😂

[vast apex]

brandon=stella from winx for me

[hot cloak]

hol up

[slate yoke]

If anyone wants to practice, I am here to help

[pallid token]

aaaay

[hot cloak]

:3

[swift trench]

does anyone wanna speak some crooked german on the casual channel?

[slate yoke]

Is there a casual channel?

[sharp lantern]

#972112164976459776

[slate yoke]

ahh got it

[swift trench]

ye

wanna talk some shitty german?

i mean im really bad but i have to practice for an exam

@slate yoke

[sharp lantern]

have you tried a vc?

[swift trench]

what is a vc?

[sharp lantern]

voice chat

[swift trench]

aahh

[sharp lantern]

like #972163676272468040 or study groups

[swift trench]

yeah but im shy so i usually ask random people first

its lowkey terrifying just joining a random voicechat

especially when youre terrible at german

[sage kayak]

You could just muted first and speak when you feel like it?

[sharp lantern]

all kinds of voice chats? because it's also possible to join a smaller one with limited members, then wait for one to join and try your luck

hop in german only if you want, im free

[swift trench]

thank you for the tips and the offer ill consider it :D

[hot cloak]

Hello

Bruh

I got bullied on the general

[peak crypt]

how crooked are we talking about? Because my german is 📈

[sour valley]

Wer rastet der rostet

[foggy valve]

Hallo/Hello!

[mint anchor]

Hello!

[hot cloak]

Wie geht es Heute?

[stiff pecan]

Halloo

[uneven sorrel]

hallooo

wie geht es dir?

[hot cloak]

Gut

[uneven sorrel]

ah,schön

also woher kommst du?

darf ich das fragen?

wenn es dir nichts ausmacht

[cedar peak]

Hallo guten morgen wie gehts es dir

Ich lerne deutsch

Können sie mir helfen

Ich möchte meine deutschpraxis verbessern

[hot cloak]

Moin

[hot cloak]

Ja, ich auch

[hot cloak]

Your learning German? Did I read that correctly?

[cedar peak]

Ja @hot cloak

[sacred flax]

Nein

I am reading 📖

[copper field]

I plan to read some more of Ludwig Tiecks 'Der Blonde Eckbert' tonight at about 20.00utc+1 (BST). Come and join in if you want!

In whichever channel is free.

[swift trench]

like i have to discuss body image and murder and im over here like "wie gehts?" ... "genau, genau" ... "ach so"

[hot cloak]

was good my diggas

[cobalt kelp]

@rugged cypress hey im sorry for the ping but could you add me please? i have a question but i cant msg or send a request,,,

[rugged cypress]

you can ask here?

[cobalt kelp]

ok uhh what mic do you use?

[rugged cypress]

my dms should be open tho

[cobalt kelp]

they arent haha

[rugged cypress]

aaah, SPC Gear SM900

[cobalt kelp]

okk, thank you!

[rugged cypress]

I use no settings whatsoever tho, cuz I don't know how to

[cobalt kelp]

i see, it sounds good tho :)

[wise crown]

as i was saying

yes

just for stealing?

[pure bronze]

again, #archived-sensitive-topics

[wise crown]

alrighty

[buoyant charm]

Hallo

I want to joinder prive service

[naive charm]

@tardy palm maybe we continue here

I'm geniunely curious

If you got some time I'd like to dive deep into why and how

To actually find out, which things would be why for which reasons

[tardy palm]

Why and how what

[naive charm]

Language learning with grammar works

What we create inside of our brain is a piece of knowledge right? That we can consciously access

[tardy palm]

Well like I said, you don't learn it by only learning grammar. You have to actually apply what you learn in an "immersion-like setting", which will make it way easier to remember how to actually use it than just learning it and never using it whilst consciously understanding how it functions.

One thing I have picked up is that when you use something whilst simultaneously feeling some kind of strong emotion, it becomes much easier to retain the information that was in your head while you were feeling emotional in some way.

This is essentially why immersion works, in my opinion.

If you are not immersed and just like a robot, regurgitating grammar rules, you will instantly forget it.

[naive charm]

Ok, so we learn best by getting "comprehensible input in an low anxiety setting"

[tardy palm]

But actually applying it is what makes the difference. Which is why I think not just immersion (or as you like to call it, "input") but grammar are important in learning a given language.

[naive charm]

And how does that application work?

[tardy palm]

Good question

[naive charm]

Are you using grammar to understand stuff? Or is there more to it?

[tardy palm]

Well of course, there isn't just one answer to that

It depends on how you want to apply it, although I think firstly it is more effective in an immersion setting

[naive charm]

Let's think of a concrete example. You got a sentence or so to have something concrete?

[tardy palm]

Well like for example. Something that has helped me without even being truly "immersed" is like, when I find a new word or phrase, I actually write my own sentences with those, and try using them in conversation as well. This way I have found makes it way easier to remember these new words and expressions in my head. I have found the opposite is true when you do not use what you learn. Whenever I look up a word just because I am reading a text and do not understand the word, often I just keep reading, and don't remember or use the word again. But if I took that word or phrase, put it into my own sentence, ideally in a conversation with someone, it becomes increasingly easier to remember the word after that. If I didn't ever use it, I would have to look it up like 8 times in a dictionary just to finally remember it without needing to look it up.

And I feel like this concept can easily be applied with grammar as well. At least for me it would work.

[tardy palm]

Well sure

Just like a week ago or so, I learned this German expression "jdn einer Gehirnwäsche unterziehen" and then I went and actually found a way to use it in a conversation in german-only. And since then it has been difficult for me to just forget.

And this is not just a one-off example, I do this quite often,

but that is one concrete example of what I mean.

It seems to work for me for remembering new information

[naive charm]

Oh yeah, so you say if you can learn something better by using it. Sure makes sense. We use the neurons, they fire and bond stronger together every time we use them. We agree on that front.

I have one question for you:
I learn Norwegian currently through flashcards and on each flash card there is a sentence that I memorize more or less or try to get accustomed to. And through these example sentences more and more grammar things and words pop up over time.
If I always learn meaning of these sentences and do that until every piece of grammar was used at some point during my study. Would you say I learned grammar?

[tardy palm]

You mean to the point of fluency?

(Although fluency imo is rather abstract and everyone has their own definition of what is "fluent")

[naive charm]

Would there be a point do you think I could reach if I would be doing that over and over, where I could achieve fluency?

[tardy palm]

Btw I was not trying to be a jerk or anything in the questions channel but something else just really annoyed me today so I am still burning off some steam

[naive charm]

It's alright

[tardy palm]

You mean just learning sentences?

[naive charm]

Yes

[tardy palm]

If you're not living in a foreign country or not speaking with natives nearly every day, I doubt it

But I could be wrong

Because it's like this: if you memorize a ton of sentences, that's great. But that reminds me of memorizing a bunch of facts for a history test, with like dates and names of people and etc....sure, maybe you ace this history test, but what if someone asks you a question that is not on that test? Are you still "fluent"?

And you might not know how to answer

Because you only know a limited amount of sentences

Which is why you can diversify your language skills, by actually talking to people, especially IRL

[naive charm]

Ok, sure this might be a bit of a dead end

[tardy palm]

Is this convo over now or are you still wondering about some other things

[naive charm]

Let me think, what was the thing we weren't agreeing on again

specifically

we digressed I presume

That I said we can only learn minimal or no grammar and be fine.

right?

What I mean by learning grammar btw is consciously trying to understand the concepts behind it separately.
And memorizing konjugation/declination tables disjoined from any real life application.

If you have a grammar resource that has example sentences you can read and understand. Then there is already comprehensible input in your grammar resource.

And there is comprehensible input in grammar resources.

[tardy palm]

Well I think there has RARELY been a time while I have been learning German where someone explained a grammatical concept to me with zero example sentences. In other words: explaining grammar in my experience pretty much always involves example sentences that illustrate the concept(s).

[naive charm]

Yes

[tardy palm]

When you say input I think I am still confused...I thought input just meant immersion.

[naive charm]

No input is virtually every last bit of german that reaches your brain. Alteast for me

But if I theoretically take all the example sentences from Hammer or any other grammar resource and their translations. And just memorize these sentences. Wouldn't that suffice to learn grammar? What do you think?

If I understand the sentence "I esse sein Brot" and all it's parts semantically. Do I still need an explanation why it is how it is to learn it?

[tardy palm]

As I have not gone about trying that myself, I can't give an answer based on personal experience, but theoretically, you are merely using grammatical concepts within those sentences without truly understanding them. The understanding part is important imo because if you know how to use some kind of grammar in one sentence, then you should, at least theoretically, know how to use that concept in any other sentence that you want to create yourself. My question to you is now: how can you create your own sentences or questions, if all you've done is memorize sentences. You don't know how to use the grammar in those sentences, you just know those sentences, and that's that, as far as I'm concerned.

How can you go about making your own sentences if you do not understand how it all works, is what I am asking

Because I can guarantee you...if you went to Norway, there would surely be times where there is a sentence you want to say but have no clue how to formulate because you have no true knowledge of the sentence building structures, ie, that part of the grammar.

That is, if all you've done is memorize some mere sentences.

[naive charm]

If I now have 1000 sentences all using possessiv pronouns in all ways imaginable and I understood all of them. Don't you think our brain can use that understanding to have formed a syntactic pattern to fill in the gaps, that would come later in real world applications?

[tardy palm]

Also I wanted to point out:
some people, like myself, do not want to just stop at "being understood," no no, people like me find enjoyment in the process of becoming more idiomatic-sounding.

[naive charm]

sure

[tardy palm]

Sure, why not. But why would you rather learn 1000 sentences instead of 1 grammatical rule...?

If you learn the rule, you can apply this rule, virtually wherever you want to

Of course as long as there are nearly no exceptions to said rule

[naive charm]

What if I tell you that in these 1000 sentences there was not just 1 rule, but thousands of words and other examples of other natural idiomatic word combinations and grammar rules, that I know have under my belt on top of having learned that one grammar rule.

[whole rapids]

It could, and I imagine this is how children learn, but you run into the same danger that children fall into of figuring out a pattern, a rule, that applies to the majority of situations but not all, and you would have no one to correct you (presuming you have read these 1000 sentences in isolation without other help).

[tardy palm]

If I learned conjugations for 1000 verbs in German, but somehow never noticed the patterns in the conjugations (like how for du, all the endings are -st) and I suddenly see a verb, let's say "rauben" but I don't know the RULE, I could essentially be lost just for not knowing one silly rule, which is actually a really simple-ass rule if you ask me.

[naive charm]

I mean children all fall into that danger, but mysteriously all come out sounding more natural than any learner ever

[whole rapids]

But perhaps your brain just learns better this way? Like Nate gave an example of learning things by associating them with an emotion which doesn't always work with me.

[whole rapids]

Yeah but children don't learn in isolation and get corrected by adults, plus from my understanding of language acquisition they learn languages differently than adults.

[tardy palm]

Depends on the learner...I mean the exception might not be the rule, but I have met learners that sound like they're actually German.

[naive charm]

It's a gradual process. You won't suddenly know the rule from one day to another. After some time there will be some shallow idea already dwelling in your head even if you aren't aware of it

[naive charm]

Sure they exist

[tardy palm]

Maybe that's why this argument is pointless because not everyone learns in the exact same way?
I know that some teachers cater to students that have rather different or unusual learning strategies and patterns, so that they may get the same benefit as the rest of the students.

[naive charm]

Sure, they have a bit of a different standing in the world, but these pattern recognition machines still sit in our brains

Even after we graduate highschool

[whole rapids]

I mean it's not like I disagree with your emphasis on input and how one sorta acquires stuff subconsciously. I am getting a feeling from modal particles just by hearing them a lot, for example. I would however argue that grammar is important at the beginning because it allows you to skip a lot of having to figure stuff out on your own.

[naive charm]

There are things all humans do the same. We all digest in the same way. It always comes in through the top and comes out at the bottom. Never in the middle. Never on the side.
And our brain are gap fillers. All of them. That gradually adapt to whatever neural activities are happening in out brain

[whole rapids]

I dunno, I imagine everyone acquires a language using the same tools as our human brains are all the same. It's hard to determine how our upbringing and how we have learned things before impacts that though.

[naive charm]

Could you elaborate on how you can skip a lot, maybe I just didn't think about that all that much

[tardy palm]

Surely human brains can't all be identical otherwise we would be a bunch of robots and things like IQ score wouldn't even exist?

And everyone would have the same personality

Biologically, ok, mentally? I don't really think I agree with that...not everyone gets depressed, not everyone overthinks, not everyone reacts in the same way to certain music, etc

[whole rapids]

I don't mean it like that, rather that the tools (e.g. pattern matching) we possess are probably all the same, so we are working from the same toolbox when starting out. I guess our tools may be slightly differently calibrated and whatever, but the foundation is the same.

[naive charm]

We all learn piano by practicing it over and over again, we all cry, when we are hurt. We all feel nice, when we are loved. There are things that are the same. And our way to acquire knowledge does not fundamentally change between individuals

[tardy palm]

But obviously it at least varies, as for me grammar was not a hindrance at all.

[naive charm]

There is variations in the specifics of course, like we all have lived many years linking certain emotions with certain senses or experiences, sounds, images etc.
And of course grammar can be fun and thus there is absolutely no reason to not have that be a part of your language journey

But for many people grammar is no fun. Unfortunately

[whole rapids]

By learning German grammar and its rules, it helped my mind to divorce itself from thinking in an English-like way when forming sentences and expressing thoughts. Equally, by going through rules, it helped me to know how to form tenses, etc., for scenarios that are relatively rare (compared to other forms) and which I might not encounter that often in the wild and be able to create a feeling for them.

[tardy palm]

I mean you can't just tell me that it didn't help me though...I think I know how I learned better than you do.

I know me better than anyone else.

[naive charm]

I'm not saying it has no effect at all. Because it could have some effect. Of course

[naive charm]

So you practiced speaking early on and filled gaps with your subconscious English grammar understanding?

And you afterwards corrected that by learning grammar?

[naive charm]

Your doctor probably has a better idea of how your body works then you though.

[tardy palm]

Well also not to mention I have accidentally fooled Germans before into thinking that I am also a German (while studying abroad), even if it was for a short period of time...so I think I've gotten on pretty well with a learning-approach that has heavily involved grammar. Although I also was/am actually USING the language a lot myself, which is like the other half of my strategy.

[whole rapids]

Basically, yeah. I started learning properly in a Volkshochschule and we would try to imitate the teacher and do exercises etc. If I was not sure of something, I would rely on my English grammar and hope for the best (lol). As I learnt more grammar and understood things better, it became easier to notice my own mistakes and begin the process of self-correcting.

[tardy palm]

And that's just to prove that I do know it works for me, not to brag.

[naive charm]

So we agree, that the current course system of how language is taught in schools is bad, right?

[tardy palm]

The way it's taught is not what's bad, I have completely other ideas as to what goes wrong with that.

[whole rapids]

I am not sure, perhaps. As a kid you may have simply no motivation if it doesn't interest you and that naturally hinders the learning process. How is it taught in Germany?

[naive charm]

But you probably also read and listened to a lot of German up until that point, right? So if there was both, it might just have been some help, but we can never know how much it actually helped you

[tardy palm]

I mean yeah it's not like I was a test-subject in a research study, so there isn't like data which shows exactly what helped me most or something - I'm simply just pointing out that me having learned grammar did not hinder my ability to get such comments from German natives.

[whole rapids]

I mean, I think we all fundamentally agree, but we place on emphasis on different things, which is fine imo.

[naive charm]

But in that time, you probably also read a lot and listened to your teacher speak and stuff. Don't you think that if you just talked to you and didn't "teach" grammar, you wouldn't have corrected yourself anyways, through just subconsciously getting to know better?

[naive charm]

So my stance of saying, you don't necessarily need it would not contradict your experience

[whole rapids]

Do you mean "you would have corrected yourself ..."?

otherwise I am confused

[naive charm]

yes of course 🤦‍♂️

[tardy palm]

It would contradict it

Because I don't know how I would have started speaking without having the building blocks for speaking

And if I never started speaking it, I never would have properly learned it at all

[naive charm]

But don't you think you can get the building blocks, without talking about or reading up on the grammar concepts themselves? Just by examples sentences, aka comprehensible input?

[tardy palm]

I'm sure it's possible, but I'm also sure it's possible to NOT do it like that, because I certainly didn't do it like that, and still had success I would say.

[naive charm]

I extremely rarely spoke English until I was already confidently conversing my thoughts.
I trained my idiolect by talking to my self and imitating natives

[whole rapids]

I am not so sure that would work for me. My mind is naturally inclined to find the patterns, or abstractions, of things (I guess because of my profession), so I would have seeked out the grammar concepts even if they were not directly taught to me. If I were to deliberately ignore them, and just try to imitate people, I guess it would have worked because my wife and friends would have constantly corrected me.

Through their corrections they would have helped me get a rough understanding of how the grammar works, but I am not sure how that inefficient that is opposed to simply directly learning the rules.

[left jolt]

Is yous writing books

[tardy palm]

My dad is a civil engineer, and in engineering, you really do need to know exactly how everything works, otherwise, you might be fucked over. Maybe my brain just prefers knowing how everything works.

[whole rapids]

It is certainly the case, I will admit, that you need to already have some input and some practice to first be able to get an understanding of grammar concepts.

[naive charm]

So if I show you images of a crime scene. Like every day three of them and you try to figure out what happened. Don't you think your brain will be able to pattern recognize enough so that you start to get an idea of the regularities within that crime scene and you brain will make you come up with ideas? Ideas that of course originated from the mental structure that developed from viewing the images.

[naive charm]

sometimes

[whole rapids]

Yeah I am software developer, so I kinda need to be able to abstract everything out and plus reading nothing but science as a kid made my mind like this.

[tardy palm]

I mean you can rarely understand example sentences without knowing what the individual words in those example sentences mean beforehand; and example sentences are pretty key for understanding how grammar actually works. I advise against diving into grammar from the get-go myself.

[naive charm]

of course. That makes sense. But y'know knowing how a Konjunktiv works would in the end still be a training wheel, as when you start speaking fluently you will need subconscious understanding of those things instead of conscious one.

[whole rapids]

Of course, but if I had an idea of what I was looking for and a pattern/concept that I could reliably apply to find whatever I am looking for in that image, I would first learn that concept so I can more quickly and efficiently discover the thing I am looking for.

[tardy palm]

Well, of course, subconscious understanding is something that develops over time too, but for me, it always developed after I had a conscious understanding of it. When you have a subconscious feel for a language, you will also speak more naturally as well, there's no arguing that.

Because you will speak more and think less

[whole rapids]

Yeah, grammar and such are more aids to reach this subconscious understanding.

[left jolt]

Erfolg hat drei Buchstaben: T-U-N ich kann weder zahlen noch buchstabieren

[naive charm]

Yeah and this application of grammar in the immersion setting is exactly what I mean by using grammar to aid comprehension. And grammar that you would not benefit from when applying it to the immersion setting is exactly the kind of grammar I don't think people need to be learning.

[tardy palm]

Also when you speak a lot with more of a conscious than a subconscious understanding, holy shit it is so exhausting lmao

But for me that was part of the process for building up the subconscious understanding

[whole rapids]

So would you say you are a proponent of learning foundational grammar and then learning the outer edges, the more rare cases, via immersion?

[tardy palm]

zahlen oder zählen

ok just for that I'm gonna change it to something even wittier @left jolt

[left jolt]

Dem Anschein nach lag ich eh nicht falsch // kann net buchstabieren nh 😐

[naive charm]

Hm, maybe you just didn't give your brain enough time. .... Or just maybe by learning that grammar you tried to actively understand (example) sentences using that grammar much more and by that your subconscious got enough stuff to work with to figure it out.

[naive charm]

Exactly

The amount of foundational grammar can be debated upon though

I'm currently trying 0% for my norwegian. Let's see how it works

[tardy palm]

@left jolt read it now

[naive charm]

"Lausbub" 😂

[tardy palm]

🤡

[naive charm]

Since there is much overlap from middle low saxon and proto germanic anyways, I'm confident

[tardy palm]

I think the fact that despite how exhausting it was, it was very helpful while I was abroad to speak German literally like 95% of the time

for my year abroad

It's literally like you can feel your brain wrinkles growing

while you speak

[whole rapids]

Yeah, this is probably the point where there tends to be disagreement in the server.

[naive charm]

I mean when speaking, you get comprehensible input, tailored to your very own personal preference, if the person speaking to you wants you to understand them 😄

[whole rapids]

and leads to such discussions. Good though to have a bit of discord in that regard since it allows to talk about such things, it's interesting.

[left jolt]

discord

[tardy palm]

Well I think there were rarely times where I was just completely lost, I mean I had been learning it for 4 years already before I went there, so it was much easier to start talking right away since I already knew how....I just wasn't used to speaking it so often.

There was one time where I had some arguments with a German roommate even...and yeah that was stressful af

[tardy palm]

a bit of discord on discord

[whole rapids]

ich kenne das Gefühl, wenn ich meine Kollegen von etwas überzeugen muss.

[naive charm]

And speaking with people you will way more often be completely aware of the context, making it far easier for your brain to fill in gaps, than if you would be watching a youtube video from a person talking about a matter far attached from your own everyday live

[naive charm]

Germans can be stubborn, can confirm 😅

[naive charm]

Ich hatte mal ein Gespräch mit einem Kollegen über Klimawandel. Ich rede seitdem nicht mehr mit dem

[tardy palm]

The thing I love about immersion is how you always learn words in context. The thing I was talking about earlier with emotions is connected to context as well, even if these are really weak emotions.

[left jolt]

abtrünnig

[tardy palm]

Literally the only reason I know what a Schuppen is is that my host family had one for the bicycles and some other stuff...if I lived with someone who didn't have one, I most likely wouldn't know what that word is in German to this day, because I've never seen or heard that word in my life except for when I was living there. Ofc there are dozens of other examples of words like that too, like Eierschalensollbruchstellenverursacher

That's what's cool about immersion. you build passive vocabulary

[naive charm]

Last week I was trying to watch Thermae Romae Novae, an anime about a ancient roman in a bathhouse than time travels into a bathhouse in modern day Japan. And I could understand the kids talking to each other more or less, but then there were more and more words that I didn't get.
And I though like huh this word did come up so often I should look that up. And that word was literally just meaning bathhouse 😂

[tardy palm]

That is all too relatable

[left jolt]

Es grüßt herzlichst

[tardy palm]

jo

[naive charm]

It's hard though when you are not yet at the stage where it feels like a piece of cake to understand.
It's always so draining watching Japanese anime for me. I do understand mostly when I focus all my attention on it, but it's soo tiring that I rarely do it often enough. And when I'm distracted for one second it's like power napping in a math lecture. You feel like you suddenly lost all your previous knowledge of everything and you don't get anything

[whole rapids]

Yeah, it's sometimes mysterious how that works. Today I was thinking about something (I forget what) and used the word auf jmdn. abfärben to describe something and then kinda caught myself wondering how that came up immediately because I only recall seeing that word like twice, but maybe it somehow (kinda ironically) made an impression on me?

[naive charm]

It also happened to me in English sometimes

[left jolt]

i bugged a whattle in the spackbox

[naive charm]

Probably reading and listening much more would help me with Japanese. But when I don't feel like being entertained by the anime but running a mental marathon I don't do it often

gnarf

[tardy palm]

Yeah like I said, when I was first learning how to speak, it's so exhausting that it literally feels like you can feel your brain changing somehow

[left jolt]

hey yo thats pallociously involmunted lol i borade the lamens

[tardy palm]

This happens to me too. Mysterious indeed...sometimes I am writing something in German and then a word that I haven't used more than like once, the last time being like years ago, pops into my head and somehow my non-native intuition was correct.

[left jolt]

n e r v e n

[naive charm]

r/ihadastroke

[tardy palm]

ach du kacke

[left jolt]

mariomäßig is my new favorite word

[tardy palm]

mario-like

why though

[left jolt]

at the beginning of this song he says ich mach so mariomäßig and i thought it was so funny idky

[tardy palm]

why do I get that feeling you'll still be purple on 1-1-2023

[left jolt]

[naive charm]

What about learning some grammar oxygen?

[tardy palm]

not because I think you can't do it but rather you could've been blue a while ago without anyone really questioning it imo

but you said you wanna memorize a dictionary

which i respect

so

[tardy palm]

o

[naive charm]

Apropos memorizing a dictionary,
TIL the word wellerism

[tardy palm]

he said he isn't giving himself the blue role till he memorizes one

lmao

[left jolt]

almost true

[tardy palm]

wym

[tardy palm]

I don't even know what that means

[left jolt]

i have to go through the Redewendungen book too (not tryin to memorize everything just wanna look throug and write what i can use)

[naive charm]

A special kind of saying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellerism

[tardy palm]

wait but how are you gonna get someone to tell you which ones are still used

in a massive book of them

[left jolt]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_Redewendungen

or i ll just look at this

[tardy palm]

oh ok that makes sense

did you see the one I mentioned earlier @left jolt (it is still used by people) not sure if you know it

bc I only learned it recently

[naive charm]

Oh my english word of the day: Paraprosdokian

[tardy palm]

I don't think you ever actually mentioned to me that you were gonna go through a thingy of Redewendungen too, I'm sure I would have remembered that

[left jolt]

which

[tardy palm]

jemanden einer Gehirnwäsche unterziehen

which means like to brainwash someone

[naive charm]

Btw was nice talking to you, I'm gonna throw myself on my ear, as we Germans say.
Take care!
@whole rapids @tardy palm

[tardy palm]

and there was one other one that I learned recently

wie ein bunter Hund auffallen

[left jolt]

Gras über etwas wachsen lassen – etwas in Vergessenheit geraten lassen.

doobiezeit

[tardy palm]

Lol, was nice talking to you too, cya

[tardy palm]

sich in die Koje hauen

[left jolt]

Er will gerne mit den großen Hunden pinkeln (meist ergänzt: aber kriegt das Bein nicht hoch) – mit Höheren mitmischen wollen, ohne die notwendigen Voraussetzungen zu haben. Rüden heben zum Pinkeln demonstrativ ein Bein.

Das ist doch Jägerlatein (auch: Anglerlatein) – das ist erfunden oder aufgebauscht

If writing an essay one could make a really creative title with an idiom probably

Holland in Not – etwas ist in großer Gefahr

anyway something like "abtrünnig" is a good word to know - i think the line I draw is either at or beyond words like "abstufen"

@tardy palm

[tardy palm]

how do you define that though, isn't that kinda abstract

I'm assuming when you say words you draw the line at you mean not needing to know words that are subjectively more complicated?

if that's not what you mean then I am lost and assumed incorrectly

[left jolt]

one of the criteria is if I dont even know what it means in english

like abbey and abbot

Abtei and Abt

[tardy palm]

I agree

was my assumption right though

[left jolt]

more like objectively more complicated

https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/abstufen

[tardy palm]

but that depends on your own personal interests though which is why I would say it is subjective. If you were interested in chemistry before even learning a language you won't find the German vocab for chemistry difficult

[left jolt]

true

[tardy palm]

abstufen is a pretty useful word tho

and isn't too complex

[left jolt]

so far I havent seen specific stuff

ik im learning it

ill find a word i skipped

[tardy palm]

wait

I thought that would be a word you've known for a while

it's one of those words that just seems logical

like if you know what Stufe means and then what the prefix ab- usually does

I'm pretty sure that was a word I understood the first time I heard it without needing to look it up

some words are just like that

but tbh most words aren't

[left jolt]

cant really found one most are useful

it was weird i was reading and saw abwägen and the next word when i went to dictionary that I was on was that word

Das ist ein Abwägen des Wohlergehen

[left jolt]

if im honest my brain doesnt work this way

for a lot of things sometimes it does like absterben

[tardy palm]

but are you at least sometimes like "oh that makes sense" after you see the english translation next to the German word

[left jolt]

yea

Abwärme

is what comes off a computer?

[tardy palm]

yeah but it's more general

it's like unused heat that just dissipates

so basically just "heat loss"

[left jolt]

also dann ja

interessant

[tardy palm]

but tbh never even used that word before

[left jolt]

ja das muss man nicht unbedingt wissen aber ich bevorzuge es, etwas zu wissen, anstatt es mir unbewusst zu bleiben

[tardy palm]

du hast unabsichtlich zweimal "müssen" genutzt

[left jolt]

ja anscheinend lol es sind schon 23 Tage her ohne Koffein und kann dieses Gefühl von Erschöpfung nicht entfliehen

[tardy palm]

Koffein tut gut

[left jolt]

ich habe heute zum Beispiel ca 30 bis 40 X gegähnt

[tardy palm]

junge

geh

schlafen

Koffein ist nicht das einzige was gut tut

Schlaf tuts auch

[left jolt]

wenn ich schlafen gehe wache ich nur auf um zu arbeiten je länger ich wach bin desto mehr ich den Tag genießen kann

[tardy palm]

na ja ich verstehe schon was du meinst aber man sollte halt bedenken, Studien zeigen, ein Schlafmangel kann zu ungesunden Nebenwirkungen führen.

[left jolt]

Ich habe im Monat nur 4 Tage frei ohne Arbeit und Schule. Daran bin ich leider schon gewohnt

[tardy palm]

oder sogar zu Erkrankungen

[tardy palm]

Schule oder Uni

ich dachte du bist Student

[left jolt]

Uni

[tardy palm]

wann endet dein Semester

mein Semester hat erst gestern geendet

[left jolt]

bald aber dann arbeite ich mehr

ich bin im Teufelskreis gefangen

[tardy palm]

muss das unbedingt sein

[left jolt]

will ich Geld sparen können, leider ja

[tardy palm]

willst du dich einfach nie ausruhen oder was

ich find das Leben einfach besser wenn man sich halt ein bisschen Zeit zum Ausruhen lassen kann

ich will ned ständig ackern

[left jolt]

ich kann mich nicht - ich möchte es

will ich auch nicht

[tardy palm]

dann wünsch ich dir auf jeden Fall alles Gute

pass auf dich auf

[left jolt]

🙏 babamäßig hababi

[uncut inlet]

Hallo Leute

Was können sie für Deutsch zu lernen empfohlen

Meine Niveau ist B1+ ich mochte sondern Übung machen

[copper smelt]

#questions

[hot cloak]

Listen to gzuz

Or 187

[empty osprey]

about to puke when i read that

[hot cloak]

Fr

[sudden panther]

It's still relevant to the upcoming lesson tho you dumb bot
@hot cloak the bot never claimed it wasn't. It's just programmed to always keep that message at the bottom of the channel so that people don't just use it to say "hi" or "can someone explain ... to me" and so on. So it'll delete its old message and repost it whenever someone posts something in the channel, regardless of what it is.

[hot cloak]

[sudden panther]

@hot cloak as outlined in the channel guidelines, it shouldn't be abused for questions that are not related to German. But yes it's a new channel type currently in testing and available to a small selected number of guilds.

[hot cloak]

But how are you going to (example) #general-2 it

In the keyboard there is no "chat bubble" thing

[sudden panther]

I don't understand the question, could you rephrase?

[hot cloak]

How i can type that chat bubble

[sudden panther]

You cannot use forum channels yourself until they're publicly released to all servers, if that's the question.

[hot cloak]

No, when released to all servers, how i can type this thing

[arctic atlas]

You don't have to, it's discord's default icon for forums

And when you want to mention it in text you can simply use "#" as with all other text channels

[hot cloak]

Thanks, discord updated but the "new features" didn't show up

[lavish minnow]

@near belfry Wollen wir uns also auf Deutsch oder lieber auf Englisch unterhalten?

Ich denke ich würde Deutsch bevorzugen (obwohl meine Englischkentnisse viel besser sind).

Bin gleich zurück.

@near belfry Na, bist du da?

Ja, sehr gerne. Aber du kannst schon fließend Deutsch, ne? Wie hast du es auf so einem hohen Niveau gelernt?

Ich lerne seit 2,5 Jahren.

[strong stratus]

Hi @sage kayak please

[pure bronze]

Alarm

[strong stratus]

[sudden panther]

Bulli

[pure bronze]

[strong stratus]

My new favorite emote

[pure bronze]

@sage kayak warum stinky grüne Emojis

[strong stratus]

Die sind hübsch

[pure bronze]

aber dann ist es nicht mehr symmetrisch

[sage kayak]

symmetrisch?

[sudden panther]

Emoji votes are now sponsored and funded by aldi, so we switched to her upvote emoji.

[pure bronze]

immer 👍 und dann auf einmal

[sage kayak]

Exactly

[strong stratus]

Egal

[sage kayak]

Das nennt man Entwicklung

[strong stratus]

Weiterentwicklung

[pure bronze]

Kennst du wieder nicht

[sage kayak]

So böse

[lusty abyss]

Happy mother's day 💐🌻

[hot cloak]

schonen muttertag

[median bane]

Has anyone watched doctor strange 2?

[shy shadow]

Nee doch ich hab mitgekommen, dass es ein guter Film sei

[hot cloak]

Nein

Die tickets wurden sehr teuer

[median bane]

Aha

But I think it’s better than Spiderman no way home

[hot cloak]

Idk

I will go this week

It will get cheaper

[median bane]

Yes

It was a bit horrorish

[hot cloak]

10€

[peak holly]

Ich bin neu hier

Wer kommt aus tunisien hier oder in Deustchland ?

[raven relic]

servus

griass God

i hob n bissel Deitsch glernt

ober

I kan die Sproch noch nicht guat verstehe lol

Kan ebba diese Video transkribieren bitte https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fF1Z0WtvGxc

(should I ask this in another server/channel?)

[livid lynx]

Du schreibst aber gerade Bairisch 😄

[raven relic]

sorry lmao

is there a Boarisch server

i kan nicht Hoachdeitsch reden

[livid lynx]

Don't know but you can write in #dialects

[raven relic]

thank you/ i danke

[livid lynx]

I mean I can speak bavarian haha but how come you don't know standard german

[raven relic]

theres a teacher in my school who Im learning from

she teaches me phrases and I know a bit about linguistics and Yiddish so I try and figure the rest out

[sour valley]

are you from bayern?

[livid lynx]

Yes

[sour valley]

which city?

[livid lynx]

Landshut

[sour valley]

ahh

you know Erlangen?

[twilit igloo]

I read land-shut lmao

[livid lynx]

Of course I do

[livid lynx]

It's Lands-hut

[sour valley]

lands...HOOOOOOOT
https://c.tenor.com/Wlz5SjCvX5IAAAAM/bird-funny-bird.gif

[livid lynx]

Hahahaha

[twilit igloo]

Yea I know
My brain just wants to read everything in english

[livid lynx]

true, I was dating an American once and he always messed that up

[twilit igloo]

But I am german

[sour valley]

I read ErlAngen, but it's really Érlangen

[livid lynx]

Oh, ich hab's voll übersehen mein Freund