general-2

[hot cloak]

Hahaha

[sage kayak]

clean between 717104956720545975 717188206680080424

[hot cloak]

Okay ich mach

Auf Wiedersehen

👋🏾

[sage kayak]

Ist mir relativ egal, was du auf andern Servern machst

Und ist mir auch relativ egal, ob du mich screened hast

und ändere bitte deine Beschreibung @hot cloak Ich werte die nämlich als Werbung und der Haken gibt Leuten evtl. auch noch das Gefühl, dass da irgendwas offiziell dran ist, was nicht der Fall ist

[hot cloak]

Ne kein Bock

Zu ändern bleibt so

[sage kayak]

Oki, leite ich an einen Mod weiter

[hot cloak]

Und

Kein Bock hier zu bleiben

Voll Lw

[sage kayak]

Dann geh

[hot cloak]

Okay

Dein Wunsch wird erfüllt

[sage kayak]

Bei der nächsten Nachricht dieser Art bist du gemuted

[hot cloak]

Ciao

👋🏾

[half charm]

Hallo

[sage kayak]

Hallo, Wasser :)

[half charm]

Hallo Bulli

Wie geht es dir?

[sage kayak]

Gut, und dir, Wasser?

[hoary zealot]

Ohne Wasser lebe ich nicht 😩

[half charm]

Mir geht es gut, danke!

Drink Wasser und Bier

[woeful matrix]

Naw war ganz dabei die mods anzupingen xd

[arctic atlas]

@alpine forge please don't advertise here

@woeful matrix brauchst du nicht für invites :D

[woeful matrix]

Hellu Syro

Ah ja stimmt ihr habt ja nen bot der Euch Bescheid gibt xd

[opal sequoia]

faq duo

[rocky goblet]

duo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[opal sequoia]

@mental fog

[hot cloak]

Hallo zusammen

Wie geht es alle?

[hoary zealot]

Eh.

Is it just me or do the conversations in #general always go too fast to contribute anything to it

[opal sequoia]

What do you mean?

Like it's too fast to participate?

[hoary zealot]

Pretty much lol

It's like they all know each other and everything you say gets buried within a second

But I'll let them have their moment

[opal sequoia]

Hmm, depends on the time of day or what's going on. Like there's usually a period of the day where it's almost dead.

[hoary zealot]

Yeah true

[opal sequoia]

And yeah, a bunch of members who were regulars in 2016-2018 just came back to the server in the last few days.

So it's a bit more active due to that.

[hoary zealot]

Huh, I was wondering why the vibe wasn't the same

That explains it lol

[opal sequoia]

It will balance out eventually.

[open cobalt]

animes sind scheiße

[nocturne frost]

@arctic atlas @sudden panther

[arctic atlas]

lmao

I think in this case we're both the guy sitting there like an idiot

[nocturne frost]

Lmfao

[agile lantern]

hi guys, does anyone know good podcasts in german ?

Not about books but more like economics, tech or joe rogan like maybe ?

[hot cloak]

Check out deutschlandfunk

[rancid glen]

Or ARD Mediathek

[gray vortex]

@agile lantern check the pinned resources list in #resources

[sage kayak]

@raw flint @green grove

[green grove]

?

[sage kayak]

As I said already

#questions is for questions about German

so if you wanna talk about something else, do it here

If you wanna talk about some languages in general, you can also use #languages

I don't wanna interrupt your conversation, it just may demotivate some people that wanna ask questions

[half charm]

Hallo

[sage kayak]

Hey @half charm

[half charm]

Hi Bulli

Wie geht es dir?

[sage kayak]

Gut, und dir? :3

[half charm]

Sehr gut, danke!

[sage kayak]

Das freut mich

Einfach nur so oder aus einem bestimmten Grund?

[half charm]

Einfach nur

[sage kayak]

*so

Yay! :3

[half charm]

Yay

Danke!

[sage kayak]

@gentle gorge pls don't use any other language than German in #german-only

[gentle gorge]

Ok

[sage kayak]

Good :3

If you are a beginner, that's fine. You can talk English and German in pretty much any channel aside from #german-only and #other-languages

[gentle gorge]

But If don't know some words in German what do i ve to do ? Replace words that would be understood for everyone or use Google translate

[sage kayak]

You won't learn anything by that anyways. I would suggest using a dictionary like this:
https://dict.cc and then trying to build the sentences anyways

You should also checkout #282831147942281216 and #resources if you wanna try to get better

[gentle gorge]

Ok, i know i made a mistake, sorry.

[sage kayak]

It's no worries really if you don't do it again :P

I do suggest reading #282831147942281216 and #rules tho :p

[twin plaza]

@solemn gull trax told me to post it here so if this breaks the rules then blame him, thanks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iR6mQyj7m70

[solemn gull]

what that's unexpected

kind of cool

and frightening

[lone mist]

LOL

@woeful matrix

[woeful matrix]

Lmao

[hot cloak]

Hallo zusammen

Wie geht es ihnen?

[sage kayak]

Hallo lew :3

Ich würde online nicht siezen

Zumindest nicht im Chat

Mir geht es gut, und dir?

[hot cloak]

Oh, ich verstehe

Es geht mir sehr gut, danke

Verstehen Sie Deutsch?

[spiral stratus]

bulli: spricht auf deutsch
du: äh vielleicht kann er kein deutsch

[sage kayak]

Ich verstehe Deutsch, ja

[spiral stratus]

und als er gesagt hat, nutz lieber 'du' und 'ihr' statt 'Sie' im internet lmao

[sage kayak]

Oder zumindest kann ich gut so tun als ob

[hot cloak]

That’s about as far as my conversational skills go in german lmao

[sage kayak]

That's fine so far :p

[spiral stratus]

it's best to use du and ihr in the internet instead of 'Sie'

[sage kayak]

You may wanna check out
>faq beginner
in #botchannel

[hot cloak]

I heard Sie is formal ‘you’

[sage kayak]

Yes

But would you speak formally to people in chat?

isn't it normally rather like "Hey, what's up?"

[hot cloak]

Nah lol

Yup

[sage kayak]

Exactly :p

[hot cloak]

How do you say that

The same thing but du instead?

Lmao

[sage kayak]

Yes

[hot cloak]

Oh that’s easy

[sage kayak]

But conjugating for du of course

do you know about conjugation?

[hot cloak]

Its where you switch up the sentence based on what words you use right

Or smth like that idk

Could be mega wrong

Some words change depending on the noun and stuff

I think

[sage kayak]

Nuu

Conjugation is changing of verb form

due to tense / mode / person

like in English
I eat, he / she / it eats

[hot cloak]

Oh I see

So far, I’ve mostly just learned about genders, nominative and the other one I forgot the name

And I think I’ve touched on conjugation a bit but forgot about it

[sage kayak]

aye

As I said I recommend checking out
>faq beginner in #botchannel

And #282831147942281216

looks a bit long maybe, but is worth one or two reads as well

[hot cloak]

Well, I’m kind of working through a textbook right now so I think I’ll just stick to that

I don’t wanna learn stuff which is too advanced for me atm

Also

[sage kayak]

Yeah, that's what beginner is for
But if you have a textbook that works for you, that's nice

[hot cloak]

Does ‘tut me leid’ mean ‘sorry’

[sage kayak]

*mir

Yes

[hot cloak]

Oh man I suck at reading lol

Tut mir leid?

I hear it a lot in tv show

[sage kayak]

Yes

Tut mir Leid is a form of Sorry

there are other ways, too

just as in English o:

[hot cloak]

Oh I see

Can you use that in casual informal speech?

Or is it formal

[sage kayak]

it's not the most informal, but neither the most formal

Hmmm

I would say it works

[hot cloak]

Sounds good enough for me

[sage kayak]

:p

I would also say it to my fam at least

and friends

[hot cloak]

What’s another common way of saying sorry?

[sage kayak]

I say Sorry, but that may be me

I think lots of people do that, tho

There is also Entschuldigung

[hot cloak]

Oh yeah

That means excuse me right

I guess you could say that

[sage kayak]

You can use it for 'Sorry.. :/'and for 'Excuse me, do you know where..?'

[hot cloak]

Yeah that’s what I’ve learned to use it for. Mostly to say ‘excuse me, do you know where’

Entschuldigung sie

[sage kayak]

*Entschuldigung
or
*Entschuldigen sie

First is nown and interjection (one-word phrase)
2nd is verb

[hot cloak]

Ohh

I’ve been saying entschuldigen Sie

But spelling entschuldigung

[sage kayak]

:p

[half charm]

Hallo

[hot cloak]

Hallo wasser

Wie geht es ihnen?

[half charm]

Hi lew

gut, danke

und dir?

[torpid locust]

Hallo

Wie geht's?

[hot cloak]

Es geht mir sehr gut, danke wasser (:

[torpid locust]

Sprutel Wasser

Sprudel* Wasser

[vagrant swallow]

Wie spät ist es da, wo ihr wohnt?

[balmy plover]

Lonks o'clocks!

ne Spaß, ist acht vor fünfzehn Uhr

Das ist mir nur so bei deinem Namen eingefallen und ich wollte es dann unbedingt sagen

[sudden panther]

@hot cloak please change your username.

[sudden narwhal]

[hot cloak]

yo based department

[last goblet]

"ist acht vor fünfzehn Uhr"
Does this translate to "eight minutes before 14:00?"

[radiant matrix]

“is eight minutes before 15:00”

(note the verb being there all alone, it’s like part of a sentence)

there should be an “es” in the beginning

[delicate bramble]

https://www.dict.cc/?s=heraus

https://www.verbformen.de/konjugation/bekommen.htm

https://www.ardmediathek.de/ard/

[opal sequoia]

@delicate bramble Why are you spamming links?

[sudden narwhal]

can you please stop

[livid vector]

not spamming

[opal sequoia]

@livid vector Is this related to a VC discussion?

[livid vector]

Nur Deutsch channel

we shared some links to leran german

[opal sequoia]

Please use #voice-chat or #voice-chat-2 then.

[livid vector]

oh

Entschuldigung

[opal sequoia]

And Creepy Dad spammed the same links in multiple channels.

Hence me calling it spamming.

[livid vector]

schuldigung!

mein Links waren weg.

[opal sequoia]

Danke Steve.

[nocturne frost]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ztFXhpMfvNYYmkiS9

@fair iron

I need to play with her more this was so long ago :(

[fair iron]

Aww, wie niedlich!

[nocturne frost]

sie ist unglaublich freundlich

für ne schildkröte sogar

[fair iron]

Das klingt echt schön. ^^

[nocturne frost]

Nein du

[fair iron]

Aww, nein, du.

Ich bin jetzt mal schlafen.
Träum was süßes Träum was, Süßes. 💙

[nocturne frost]

Nein du

Oh und es ist sehr schwierig sie nicht zu überfüttern

[fair iron]

Ich glaube an dich!

[nocturne frost]

Sie bettelt(?) So oft bahaha

[fair iron]

Naww. ^^

[nocturne frost]

Und schaut mir an mit ihren schönen Augen ;__;

Casca was kann ich dagegen

[fair iron]

Da ist man machtlos.

Schier unbezwingbar.

Und trotzdem schaffst du es.

Gute Nacht. 💙

[nocturne frost]

[hot cloak]

Guten morgen Zusammen

[radiant beacon]

Hello

How's everyone doing?

[pulsar bay]

mir gehts gut

[radiant beacon]

Is English allowed in this text channel?

[ancient carbon]

Yup

[arctic atlas]

from the channel description: German is preferred in this channel! General banter can go here. Please refer to #info if you're unsure.

[radiant beacon]

Oh, alright

[hot cloak]

Es geht mir sehr gut danke

Und Sie?

[hot cloak]

hallo mein friend

[tacit grail]

Hallo, wie gehts?

[gentle knot]

Halloooo

[woeful matrix]

Hallo

[hearty kelp]

Hallo

[tacit grail]

Hallo

[hot cloak]

hallo

[tiny kiln]

Hallo, someone will sprechen mit mir??

Who sprechen deutsch und mit mir konnt sprechen

[sage kayak]

If you're trying to speak German, you should at least look up the missing words

[tiny kiln]

:’(

[sage kayak]

Du schaffst das schon

[serene trellis]

Hallo, Wie geht's euch alle?

[woeful matrix]

Gut und dir?

[serene trellis]

@woeful matrix Mir auch,Danke!

[woeful matrix]

Freut mich zu hören

[serene trellis]

@woeful matrix Bist du einheimisch??

[woeful matrix]

Wie meinst du das?

[serene trellis]

Bist du ein Muttersprachler?

[gritty anchor]

er fragt, ob deine Muttersprache Deutsch ist

[serene trellis]

Genau

[woeful matrix]

Ah danke

Jap alle die einen gelben Namen haben sind deutsch Muttersprachler

[serene trellis]

Ahh, ok

[gritty anchor]

Eh, koennte auch jemand der in Deutschland aufgewachsen ist sein?

[serene trellis]

Das wusste ich nicht

[gritty anchor]

Ich vermute es nur

[woeful matrix]

Ja also wenn die Person sehr gut deutsch spricht glaub schon

Weiß nicht genau solltest die mods fragen

[slim sluice]

alyer bitte lern englisch

[woeful matrix]

Tu ich schon

[slim sluice]

[sage kayak]

[slim sluice]

klar

[fair iron]

Jeder, der deutschsprachig aufwuchs.

DACH, Teile Luxemburgs, usw.

[sage kayak]

Frage ist, ab wann es 'dort aufwachsen' ist

Wenn du ab dem 1. Lebensjahr dort lebst? Dem 5.? Dem 15.?

[fair iron]

Wenn es deine Muttersprache ist.

[sage kayak]

Ich glaub nämlich, dass es bei der Frage darum ging 👀

[fair iron]

Man kann auch Muttersprachler sein und in Frankreich aufwachsen.

[sage kayak]

Das stimmt wohl

[fair iron]

Somit jeder, der im frühen Kindesalter die Sprache lernte.

[sage kayak]

Jo, klingt gut

[fair iron]

So wir bei mir mit Englisch; beide Eltern sind deutsch und ich kam in Deutschland zur Welt.

[sage kayak]

Warte, wo kommt da Englischh her?

[fair iron]

Ich spreche es trotz den genannten Punkten muttersprachlich.

Bestens, habe Dank, und selbst?

[sage kayak]

Du bist doch dort aufgewachsen, richtig?

[fair iron]

Ja, das bin ich.

[sage kayak]

Oki :P

[balmy plover]

man kann mehrere Muttersprachen haben

wenn man mit mehreren Sprachen aufwächst und diese meisterhaft beherrscht

[balmy plover]

das ist der sogenannte sukzessive Spracherwerb

also wenn man eine Sprache lernt, und später zusätzliche Sprachen

es gibt auch gleichzeitigen Spracherwerb, bei dem man von Anfang an mit mehreren Sprachen aufwächst

[toxic tundra]

Du bist ein sukzessiver Muttersprachler ne? Ich meine, seit Jahren lebst du schon in Deutschland

[balmy plover]

ich ?, also ... eher sukzessiver Sprecher auf [nahezu] muttersprachlichem Niveau. So würde ich das vorsichtshalber bezeichnen.

Es gibt halt die allgemeine Annahme, dass man seine "Muttersprache" am besten beherrscht, ist aber ein Trugschluss. Bei mir stimmt das jedenfalls nicht. Treffender ist daher die Bezeichnung "Erstsprache". Man kann in einer später erworbenen Sprache ja irgendwann mehr Kompetenz aufweisen als in der Erstsprache.

Viele Linguisten glauben zudem an eine angebliche genetische Veranlagung, die verhindern soll, dass man ab einem gewissen Alter die mutterspracliche Kompetenz erreichen kann.
Dazu gab es viele Untersuchungen und alles spricht dagegen. Die Annahme, man könne eine Sprache nur in der sehr frühen Kindheit auf Muttersprachlerniveau erwerben, ist auch falsch.

Ich hab Deutsch durch Immersion gelernt, auf natürlicher Weise, durch Beobachtungen und ohne formellen Unterricht. Zwar nicht von meiner Mutter, und nicht von Geburt an, aber was es wirklich bedeutet, eine Sprache fließend zu beherrschen, da gehen die Meinungen so weit auseinander, dass ich nur behaupten will, ich spreche Detusch.

Es darf aber nicht ausgeschlossen werden, dass man mehrere Muttersprachen haben kann. Das gibt es durchaus.
Egal wie es jetzt bei mir ist.

[lilac dew]

schön

gestellt

[sage kayak]

Ja, natürlich kann man mehrere Muttersprachen haben

[hot cloak]

hallo Leute

[sly rivet]

oidaa

[sage kayak]

@hot cloak there is no reason really to afraid of messing up

You can ask for help here, we just won't do your homework

[hot cloak]

If you say so

[sage kayak]

give us a serious attempt on it and we will give it a look

[hot cloak]

Alright

so the words are Fenster /öffnen / du and im supposed to type it in a formal way

Here is how i wrote it

Könntest du bitte das Fenster öffnen?

[sage kayak]

Looks good to me

[hot cloak]

Yay!

[sage kayak]

Very formal

/ polite

see, you are not that bad apparently

[hot cloak]

das glaube ich nicht

lol

[opal sequoia]

Just to clarify, does it mean formal like polite, or formal like "formal you"? It's just an important point to clarify in the context of German.

[sage kayak]

That's true

[hot cloak]

formal=polite i think

[opal sequoia]

Oh okay, then it's fine.

[hot cloak]

formal speech is for speaking with business partners etc or strangers

atleast thats how i treat it

[opal sequoia]

Yes, if you mean formal speech like for talking to strangers, it's wrong.

[hot cloak]

instead of du, i have to say Sie?

[opal sequoia]

Yep.

[sage kayak]

Good thing we have Base here

[hot cloak]

Thanks

[opal sequoia]

Np. Can you write the whole sentence with Sie so we can make sure it's correct?

[hot cloak]

Sure

Könnten Sie bitte das Fenster öffnen?

[opal sequoia]

Cool, nice work!

[hot cloak]

Danke!

in the next exercise i have to say it politely, not formal (like the first one with du instead of Sie)

still /sein/ Petra und Paul are the words

and I wrote it like this

Könnten Petra und Paul still sind?

still is quiet right?

[sage kayak]

With modal verbs (you know what that is?) the other verb is in infinitive

[hot cloak]

Yeah i know modal verbs

ill fix it now

so sein is in infinitive?

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, sein is the infinitive form.

[hot cloak]

and its supposed to be accusative? because theres a verb infront

wait sein cant be accusative

or can it?

[opal sequoia]

Verbs themselves don't have cases applied to them.

Only nouns or pronouns have cases applied to them.

A verb only tells you which case to use on an object.

So like for example...

Let's say you have the verb essen.

[hot cloak]

okay

[opal sequoia]

If you use an object with verb essen, that object has to be accusative.

[hot cloak]

Yeah i know that

[opal sequoia]

So if you write:
Ich esse.
There's no object so no accusative.

But if you write:
Ich esse Brot.
Brot is the object, and it's accusative.

[hot cloak]

I see

[opal sequoia]

In your sentence however, you only have one noun/pronoun which is "Petra und Paul". But since this is the subject of the sentence, it has to be nominative. Since there's no other nouns/pronouns, you can't have any accusative in the sentence.

[hot cloak]

I see

thank you

damn german is tough

i thought it would be as simple as english

[opal sequoia]

It's pretty similar to English in complexity and a lot of the grammar is pretty similar. Just the specifics are a bit different.

Like a lot of stuff that you see in German and think is confusing, that stuff often exists in English, but if you already know English, you don't even think about it when you use it.

[hot cloak]

Every language is special in its own way

my next sentence is with the words mitbringen/eure Bücher / morgen/ Kinder

mitbringer is a verb thats splits in 2 right

bringen in the beginning and mit at the end

anyways heres how i wrote it

Könnten die Kinder bringen eure Bucher morgen mit?

no way its right but lets see

[sage kayak]

it's still same as before

modalverb with infinitive

[hot cloak]

this shit is too complicated

this online classes thing ruined my german knowledge

i was getting ones in german but now ill get a 3

or a 4

[sage kayak]

You can still learn by yourself

Use #resources maybe

and ask questions in #questions

[hot cloak]

Yeah but with the teacher it was much easier

she would tell me everything

[sage kayak]

Possible 👀

But you are not that far from the answer actually

So wanna try to make it better?

[hot cloak]

Yeah

School ends in like 4 days in my country so i have to finish these due tomorrow

Ich habe Angst

viel Angst

[sage kayak]

Don't worry, just do it

you will manage and you are not alone

So yeah, other than the modalverb, what verb is here (as infinitive)?

[hot cloak]

The other verb is kann

[sage kayak]

So the bringen one is a modalverb?

👀

[hot cloak]

uhh

i guess?

mitbringen splits right?

like in 2

mit and bringen

[sage kayak]

Not when you are supposed to use the infinitive

👀

There is just a small list of modalverbs

feel free to learn that :P

[hot cloak]

Wait i got it

Könnten die Kinder bringen eure Bucher morgen mit?

[sage kayak]

Not yet

So, let's go over my sentence again

bringen is not a modalverb here

what is?

[hot cloak]

Kann?

[sage kayak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_verb#Comparison_with_other_Germanic_languages
(there is a list)

Yes

[hot cloak]

I know the serbian words for these terms

[sage kayak]

so what is the other verb's infinitive?

I see o:

Well, I don't know Serbian, but maybe you can look up what I say

[hot cloak]

Sure

[sage kayak]

infinitive is the form you would see in a dictionary

[hot cloak]

Yeah

[sage kayak]

of verbs

Modalverb I can't really explain

But there is a rather small list

and they are important

[hot cloak]

I can see können in there

[sage kayak]

Yeah, as I said before

you're right with that being a modalverb

now apply what I said before:

With modal verbs the other verb is in infinitive

It doesn't matter here whether you have a separable verb or not

[hot cloak]

so mitbringen is gonna be in its infinitive form

thats what you're trying to say

[sage kayak]

That's what I'm trying to point you to, yes :p

Just remember that in general

[hot cloak]

Könnten die Kinder mitbringen eure Bucher morgen?

[sage kayak]

If you have two verbs in one sentence

than the not finite one (infinitive) goes to the end

just as you did in the last sentence

[hot cloak]

Yeah my memories are coming back

[sage kayak]

Perfect

[hot cloak]

Könnten die Kinder eure Bucher morgen mitbringen?

[sage kayak]

Yeah, that works for me

[hot cloak]

but isnt the verb supposed to be in the second place or when does that occur

[sage kayak]

Not Bucher tho

what is the plural of Buch?

[hot cloak]

with umlaut yeah

[sage kayak]

Yes

[hot cloak]

Bücher

[sage kayak]

Standard word order is SVO

Subject verb object

so verb second place, yes

but it changes

with certain thing

[hot cloak]

I see i see

[sage kayak]

And this only refers to the finite verb

(the one, where you change the form)

In questions (without question words) the standard word order is VSO

[hot cloak]

Yeah that was how we did it in school

[sage kayak]

And it also changes with subclauses, but let's not worry about those here

[hot cloak]

Next sentence is with the following words

[sage kayak]

Hmm

You should try all of those now

and then show us your attempt

you can ping me

[hot cloak]

Frau Meier / mir / die Uhrzeit / sagen

[sage kayak]

Just keep the most important rules I mentioned in mind

Oki?

[hot cloak]

Roger that, boss

[sage kayak]

With modal verbs the other verb is in infinitive

Which was this one

Good luck ^^

[hot cloak]

Frau Meier, könnten Sie die Uhrzeit mir sagen?

[sage kayak]

Try all of them first

how many sentences left?

[hot cloak]

Just this one

[sage kayak]

Oh I see

Well, now you changed the form a bit

You made it an Anrede

[hot cloak]

Anrede?

[sage kayak]

(adressing the people)

As in

(English:)

[hot cloak]

so its incorrect

let me fix it

[sage kayak]

"Miss Meier, could you tell me the time?"

or

"Could Miss Meier tell me the time?"

[hot cloak]

the first one i see

[sage kayak]

the addressing makes more sense actually I think

[hot cloak]

okay ill fix it

[sage kayak]

But maybe you should use those in the first two example as well o:

However, there is one very clear mistake left in this sentence

[hot cloak]

Could you point it towards me

[sage kayak]

At least in terms of standard way of saying stuff

if verbs have a dative and an accusative object

I think the dative one comes first

but I'm not sure if that is a rule

[hot cloak]

i think so

[sage kayak]

What I can say, is, that your sentence, how it is now, sounds a bit weird to me

(for most contexts)

[hot cloak]

so my sentence means could miss Meier tell me the time

[sage kayak]

No, yours is

[hot cloak]

[sage kayak]

"Miss Meier, could you tell me the time?"

Which is nice

Hello daffodils :3

[hot cloak]

Bulli

Nice

[sage kayak]

daffodils

[hot cloak]

well im done for todays work

[sage kayak]

Did you change word order?

Cause dative object is not before accusative object here

but it should be

[hot cloak]

Frau Meier, könnten Sie mir die Uhrzeit sagen?

[sage kayak]

Perfect

[sage kayak]

Maybe

[hot cloak]

Thanks for helping me out

you were like my teacher today

[sage kayak]

you should make the other ones to addressings, too actually

but I'm not sure

oh, don't forget Base' help uwu

But you are welcome

[hot cloak]

Yeah

god bless you and him

Auf wiedersehen!

[sage kayak]

Bye, have a nice day

@pallid kelp why would you recommend against translating as a learning method? 👀

If I may ask

[pallid kelp]

because translation is a separate skill from understanding and speaking a language, it's extra and requires specific training to be done right. I don't like that people who speak foreign languages think that automatically makes them good translators

apart from that, from a learning standpoint, translation introduces several bad habits

it couples your native and target languages together, so it impedes the process of learning to think in the target language

[sage kayak]

Oh yeah, speaking a language well (or two for that matter) definitely doesn't make one a good translator

[pallid kelp]

since people do it without training on how translation works, it can also limit your vocab

[sage kayak]

it couples your native and target languages together, so it impedes the process of learning to think in the target language
I see, I've actually read that before 👀

[pallid kelp]

it's pretty logical if you think about it. Translation is the process of turning material in language A to language B, so clearly it gets you used to do just that

[sage kayak]

Yeah, I agree so far

[pallid kelp]

but we don't "understand" in natural language, the brain doesn't strictly need language to understand concepts, or else we'd be unable to even learn any language in the first place and we would have to have it ingrained into our brains at the genetic level, which is known not to be true in any way

take a baby from country A, transplant it into country B at birth and it will grow up speaking language B, and will have no advantage whatsoever over his peers in learning language A later on in its life

[sage kayak]

ah, so that's why you suggested to just translate keywords instead of every word one by one

[pallid kelp]

yes. The point is to get the gist of the sentence instead of translating it, because that leverages what your brain normally uses to codify meaning, instead of the higher-level layer of explicit language

essentially, understanding through language takes extra work

[opal sequoia]

It essentially depends what you mean by "translation". Translating as in trying to produce the exact sentence in the other language isn't necessarily a good idea, but understanding how to convey the same idea in another language is pretty useful.

[pallid kelp]

think of how you understand stuff in your native language. There is a "hidden layer" below the language, and if you need to translate to understand a target language through your native language, you now put your native language in the middle of what are now three layers.
Human communication happens too fast for that to be effective, and you end up basically crippling yourself for no benefit at all, unless you specifically want to translate in real time (which is a scarily hard job and terribly tiresome, which requires years of training)

It essentially depends what you mean by "translation". Translating as in trying to produce the exact sentence in the other language isn't necessarily a good idea, but understanding how to convey the same idea in another language is pretty useful.
@opal sequoia it's not that it's not useful, but it's extra, it should not be the aim of the average learner and it should never be a method to apply every time you're training your understanding or your production, even if you want to be a translator

[opal sequoia]

🤔

I disagree. An average learner should aim to be able to convey an idea in their target language.

Idk how that wouldn't be expected.

[sage kayak]

How else would you approach learning to convey certain ideas, berzi?

or is it just that you would do it rarely at most?

[pallid kelp]

i think i'm being misunderstood

[sage kayak]

That's very possible

[pallid kelp]

if you understand what a word A1 means in language 1, you don't need to learn that it maps to word A2 in language 2, because if you understand it, you will already be able to translate the abstract meaning of it into any language, provided you know the words and grammar necessary to express the same concept.

if a word exists in one language as a single unit, but in another language it needs a whole sentence to be expressed properly, you will be fine if you learn the meaning, but you will have trouble if you learn through translation.
A student that is "doing it right" will take approximately the same time to learn that concept as it takes him to learn a concept that has a corresponding direct translation. One that is "doing it wrong" will take more time to learn the word->expression couple than it takes him to learn a word->word couple

[opal sequoia]

Yes, that's basically what I was explaining to Bulli. When you consider a concept like "you shouldn't use translation to learn a language" or whatever, you have to understand that that word "translation" has specific connotations and you have to think about what exactly is intended there.

Some types of "translation" are standard or inherent, and others are "extra".

[sage kayak]

Makes sense 👀

[pallid kelp]

on the neurological level, there is a layer below language codification that serves the purpose of conceptualising meaning, and it's the same for all humans (maybe even for all mammals). It's independent of language, because a person growing up with any language A will not be inherently disadvantaged at learning concepts that are more easily expressed in language B.
Translation (in the sense i've meant since the beginning here) means forcing all the work to pass through one extra layer, and then go down until the lowest level, and then go back up through one extra layer on the way out. It's not necessary and gives no advantages except in edge cases¹, it's just that it's what people instictively do when they grow up as monolinguals

¹: for which you can just train to do it separately instead of penalising your whole learning experience for the sake of it

there's a reason why people who know several languages know so many of them. They, instinctively or explicitly, understood how this system actually works and can leverage it to learn only the symbols that represent any meaning, instead of having to go through symbols in other languages to achieve the same. It's the difference between linking to a website in 30 different places and copying the whole website 30 times over, one for each place where you need it

[sage kayak]

mhm

I understand and agree now

Thanks for taking your time to explain it to me

[pallid kelp]

thanks for having patience for my logorrhoea

[sage kayak]

logorrhoea? 👀

aaah

like diarrhea (however this may be written) but with logos = word ?

[pallid kelp]

yes 😂

[sage kayak]

It's oki, I like to catch them all with my diearper

[pallid kelp]

diarrhea (however this may be written)
just like you did, but british spelling has an extra etymological o after the h

[sage kayak]

I see, ty :p

[spiral stratus]

what is diearper?

[sage kayak]

My attempt of what berzi did

but with diaper and ear

[spiral stratus]

ah

[sage kayak]

Idk catching logorhoea made me think of diapers because of the diarrhoea

maybe there is something better, but I really wanted to force something like that here with speed

Eine Deutsche Flagge 👀

[oblique mica]

talking about portmanteau words made me think of this time a circle for germanisation of the language invented the perfect word to replace "smartphone" => "Fernsprechner"

[pallid kelp]

but with diaper and ear
@sage kayak diapear

dye a pear

[oblique mica]

"ear" and "pear" do not rhyme, though...

[sage kayak]

There is no rule about that yet, Vibaloft

[pallid kelp]

"ear" and "pear" do not rhyme, though...
i know it just made me think of it by reading it

[sage kayak]

I had to look up pear

I always forget that word

i know it just made me think of it by reading it
I like yor thought here

[oblique mica]

"There is no rule about that yet" > What do you mean?

[sage kayak]

I mean it doesn't really have to rhyme there, has it?

[oblique mica]

Well, for the explanation to word, it kinda has. If you say that diaper + ear = diapear and that it resembles "dye a pear", the resemblance is not really there. "dye a peer", now, that is a closer sound.
The portmanteau word does not have to rhyme, it could have been a mix of "diaper" and "air", for example. But I imagine that when brz (do you accept the shortcut for the name? 😉 ) said "dye a pear", they compared the sound the two expressions make.

Sorry for the wall of text

[sage kayak]

wall of texts are finee

I don't have anything to do in my life

Hmm

but for me diapear is just giving up one shared trait of its sound with diaper

for another one that diearper doesn't have

sacrificing last syllable for the 2nd

although the last may have bigger influence on the effect of recognising the word as what it is in the wild

[oblique mica]

I think I did not express me clearly. What I meant was that brz combined diaper and ear to make diapear, and then said "dye a pear". I understood it as them saying that "diapear" sounds like "dye a pear" by mistake (because ear and pear are written the same except for the extra p) whereas a closer phonetical comparison would have been "dye a peer". But I have no problem with changing the sound of the word "diaper" with "ear", it usually happens with portmanteaux

[pallid kelp]

(do you accept the shortcut for the name? 😉 )
people usually call me berzi here but brz has also been used ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique mica]

ok, berzi it is then

[pallid kelp]

for the record i wrote that just because it came to mind, not to represent the sound of the portmanteau or anything

[sage kayak]

:P

Thought so ^^

(But I needed to defend it 😤 )

[oblique mica]

thanks for the discussion!

[sage kayak]

np ahaha

[fair iron]

Jo, von mir aus.

[dry lynx]

jo, grad eben vor Corona hab ich wieder nen richtig spicy Burger gegessen

[fair iron]

Hey, nicht schlecht. Hast ihn also verdrücken können?

[dry lynx]

ging grad noch, aber er was nicht leicht

und die folgenden Tage... phew, willst du nicht erleben, glaub mir

[fair iron]

Glaube ich dir gerne. :P

Aber immerhin, du warst erfolgreich.

[dry lynx]

natürlich

es gibt aber einen Trick

[fair iron]

Ach?

[dry lynx]

mhm

du musst dort ohne Geld ankommen

dann hast du quasi keine andere Wahl, als es zu essen

bestellt hast du ja bereits

[sage kayak]

Spicy ist super

[dry lynx]

du könntest fast sagen... ist echt fürn Arsch...

he he ...

[lilac dew]

lol ich kann scharfes essen gar nicht ertragen

[dry lynx]

ok ja ich gehe von allen weg xd

[lilac dew]

Zerstörter Arsch

[dry lynx]

ich habs eigentlich immer gemocht

[sage kayak]

Lol Wormic 👀

[lilac dew]

ich mein

es schmeckt wohl

ich bin halt Warmduscher

[sage kayak]

Ist es auch immer voll wert für mich

Ich hab letztens Chillis wie Popcorn gegessen

[lilac dew]

um

[sage kayak]

und es keine Sekunde bereut!

[lilac dew]

was los mit dir

der Gedanke tut meiner Zunge schon weh

[sage kayak]

Und ja, die Tage danach waren durchaus anstrengend

[hot cloak]

Hi

[lilac dew]

hii

[sage kayak]

Die Frage hör ich öfters

[hot cloak]

Hiiiiiii

[woeful matrix]

Hi

[lilac dew]

klar

[dry lynx]

ah aber die Zeit danach ist doch die schönste :³)

hi

[woeful matrix]

Spicy

[dry lynx]

ich hab mir neulich so ne Carolina Ripper Soße gekauft

echt nice

[lilac dew]

oh ne

ich versuch momentan mich für Unikurse zu melden

[sage kayak]

Naisu, Wormic

[lilac dew]

ich will an denen teilnehmen, die komplett auf Deutsch unterrichtet werden

[sage kayak]

ah aber die Zeit danach ist doch die schönste :³)
Najaa xD

[lilac dew]

aber ich weiß nicht ob ich dazu erlaubt werde

sein werde**

[sage kayak]

Aber dein Deutsch ist doch wunderbar 👀

[lilac dew]

trotzdem

ich glaub man muss doch Beweis davon dabei haben

[dry lynx]

oh gut, dass du Uni erwähnst... ich muss bis Übermorgen eine Seminararbeit fertig haben

[lilac dew]

in der Form eines bereits erledigten Kurses auf höherem Niveau

oha viel Erfolg

[sage kayak]

*einen Beweis

[lilac dew]

ich fange erst im Herbst mit der Uni an 😄

danke

[woeful matrix]

Viel erfolg wormic!

[sage kayak]

Ah, verstehe

Vielleicht kannst du einen machen?

[dry lynx]

läuft bisher prima... hab schon... 0 von 2000 Wörtern

[lilac dew]

ja ich hab schon eine Email geschickt

[woeful matrix]

Lmao wormic

Läuft ja echt supi

[dry lynx]

besser kanns net sein

[lilac dew]

an die Lehrerin die den Kurs leitet

[dry lynx]

ah weißt du, ich bin so einer, der lieber alles an einem Tag macht, Anfang bis Ende

(zumindest rede ich mir das ein)

kann auch gut sein, dass ich faul bin

[lilac dew]

lol ich mach immer so

10min pro Tag

und dann am Allerletzten beeil ich mich bei allem und machs fertig

[dry lynx]

hehe so geht das am besten

[lilac dew]

natürlich

[dry lynx]

10 Minuten arbeiten und dann 10 Stunden erholen

[lilac dew]

ja! eine Minute pro Stunde ist eine gesunde Beziehung

gutes Verhältnis* ups

falscher Begriff

[dry lynx]

ah weißt du, ich sag immer - so lang man verstehen kann, was gemeint wird

[lilac dew]

schon aber ich soll mich doch korrigieren wenn ich verstehe dass ich falsch liege

[dry lynx]

jo fair enough

so, ich mich mich jetzt wieder an die Arbeit, muss noch einiges erledigen

aber war schön wider mal geplaudert zu haben

[lilac dew]

jaja

ich sehe dich so selten, war schöne

schön

[fair iron]

Schlau, der Hinweis.

Merke ich mir, wenn ich mal gratis essen will.

[sage kayak]

Heh

[nocturne frost]

@lilac dew wohin gehst du

[lilac dew]

@nocturne frost was meinst du damit

[nocturne frost]

welche uni lol

[lilac dew]

aso

Universität bei Pittsburgh

[nocturne frost]

[lilac dew]

komm mich besuchen

[nocturne frost]

freust du dich drauf

vielleicht

[lilac dew]

schon

[nocturne frost]

aber amerika ist...

ehhh

[lilac dew]

ja aber Pittsburgh ist geil

[nocturne frost]

ja weil du dort bist, hoe

[lilac dew]

AWW

ich werde feuerrot

[nocturne frost]

wollte aber unbedingt ein exchange semester entweder in schweden, amerika oder australian machen

[lilac dew]

achso

[nocturne frost]

vielleicht auch canada aber möchte dorthin mehr um mapes und toronto zu besuchen

[lilac dew]

mhm

austausch nach pittsburgh machen

sofort

[shell whale]

Hallo

Alle

[hot cloak]

Hilla

[shadow kernel]

so yea you need like solid C1 to feel semi-comfortable

but it's still far away from optimal

[hot cloak]

Here is for off topic?

[shadow kernel]

well, its general chat

you can talk about anything ;)

[hot cloak]

Okay

I can’t find anything # with off topic chat 😒

[sage kayak]

Offtopic from #questions is what I meant

You can have casual talk here and in #general

There are also some 'offtopic channels' like science for example

Look at #282831147942281216 (caption groups) for further information

And thanks Vahti btw, I love you

finally someone who moves instead of disappearing

[shadow kernel]

and don't ignore grammar because it's hard to feel safe around someone who speaks like a monkey

[hot cloak]

German grammar is easy for me, easier than English lol..

Vocabulary not easy

😬

[shadow kernel]

also if you have a choice and you're about to move, then pick northern germany rather than south

[gray vortex]

you're allowed to work with monkey german, but it's far from adequate level to not be considered a monkey
Just curious, is that why you have monkeys in your name or why? @shadow kernel

[shadow kernel]

because my german is monkey level

because if you move south you have to deal with patients who are 70+(that's normal) and very dialect heavy, which is like learning a whole new language

[sage kayak]

He says that, but actually there is barely non monkey, if Vahti has monkey German

[gray vortex]

Wow, you’re very strict on yourself. 👀

[hot cloak]

@shadow kernel then I’ll be surgeon

🤷🏻‍♂️

[shadow kernel]

you get the option to ignore your patients after you become a professor

as assistenzarzt you'll be the one doing anamnese and whole scut work for those higher than you

[hot cloak]

Anamnesis. Yay... we have same word

[gray vortex]

He says that, but actually there is barely non monkey, if Vahti has monkey German
We’re all mini monkeys.

[shadow kernel]

and as assistenzarzt in surgery you spend your first 6 months writing Arztbriefs

[hot cloak]

Where are you from? @shadow kernel

[shadow kernel]

poland

[hot cloak]

Then german language is easy for you

I mean

[gray vortex]

No??

[shadow kernel]

not really

I mean, both have similar grammar concepts

so it's not that terrible

[hot cloak]

Same

Vocabulary is somewhat...

[shadow kernel]

but medical german is like german 2.0

do you have latin?

[hot cloak]

Ouch

Ye

[shadow kernel]

yea that'll make stuff easier

[hot cloak]

Yay

[shadow kernel]

it's still widely used here

[hot cloak]

Nice

[gray vortex]

I think any professional German is like learning anew tho.

[whole lark]

How good is your german now rosaceae

[shadow kernel]

but you have to go through Fachsprachenprüfung, which is basically translating medicine into german

[hot cloak]

I aced in gymnasium

I can make short revisions

[gray vortex]

That doesn’t tell us much, Rosa.

[hot cloak]

To remind

[shadow kernel]

so you have to learn stuff like Pankreatitis = Bauchspeicheldrüsenentzündung

and there's a whole exam dedicated to that

[gray vortex]

Not that bad tbh, the german word tells me more than the latin.

[hot cloak]

That doesn’t tell us much, Rosa.
@gray vortex i know how separated verb works, tenses, cases..

[gray vortex]

Sounds about lvl A then.

[hot cloak]

Word order in sentences

And passive

Yes A level

[shadow kernel]

yea well, in the exam you have to write an Arztbrief, do Anamnese, do a Patientenaufklärung(procedure explanation with a patient using everyday language and no medical slang), differential diagnosis and stuff like that, and when you're done with it you have to go through Kenntnisprüfung which is an equivalent of your national license exam, if you have one in your country

so yea that's lots of work ontop of your normal student activities

good luck

[hot cloak]

Ouch

Im in 5th year study

[shadow kernel]

you can apply for Berufserlaubnis after you pass your Fachsprachenprüfung, it allows you to work but you're not allowed to do your Weiterbildung (specialty training)

[gray vortex]

You sound somewhat bitter, Vahti.

[shadow kernel]

so you're wasting time

[hot cloak]

My study lasts 6 year

[shadow kernel]

i'm not bitter, i'm realistic

[hot cloak]

I understand

[shadow kernel]

that's what doctors do

[hot cloak]

What is the best option?

[gray vortex]

That doesn’t contradict itself, Vahti.

[hot cloak]

Or should I stuck on my state with low salary....

😢

[shadow kernel]

try to learn as much as possible to be able to push through Fachsprachenprüfung relatively quick

apply for Berufserlaubnis

[whole lark]

If you like the language go for it

[hot cloak]

Just asking

[shadow kernel]

and then you're fine for a while to learn for your Kenntnisprüfung but be ready to have 2-3 years gap between you and your friends who did specialty training back home

[hot cloak]

Is it good option:
-start german regular until graduation

-then after graduation start intensively studying german

[gray vortex]

Is doing a specialty training in your country and then the German exam a better option, Vahti?

[shadow kernel]

depends on your country

[gray vortex]

How come?

[shadow kernel]

there's way too many variables to say what's better

[gray vortex]

I know nothing about medicine studies, I’m just curious.

[shadow kernel]

because it's really difficult to learn the german required to work if you're not in germany and don't dedicate tons of time to it

[hot cloak]

Ofc but my faculty is now more important

Priority

[gray vortex]

I see. What did you do then?

[shadow kernel]

i had it easy cause i just took a break in work to learn german

[hot cloak]

I’ll try to study german 20min every day

[gray vortex]

You mean a paid break???

[shadow kernel]

my wife is german and i'm just using government programs to learn german in a semi-comfortable way

nope, i'm just a parasite

:)

[gray vortex]

👀

How.

[shadow kernel]

but I'm from EU and i worked

[hot cloak]

You are not parasite

[gray vortex]

Ohhhhh!

[hot cloak]

But luckily

[shadow kernel]

so i can get unemployment benefits while in germany

[hot cloak]

I have EU passport (croatia)

Sadly I study in Serbia

[shadow kernel]

and government funds professional language courses for people like me

you can also do that if you're from outside of EU but you need to somehow secure your existence financially here

and it's not easy

[hot cloak]

Because Germany lacks doctors

[shadow kernel]

the whole world lacks doctors

but germany can afford to buy them off

[hot cloak]

Not in Serbia, many doctor hardly find job here

[shadow kernel]

that's awkward

is it because of central management being useless?

[hot cloak]

It is more like political party control state institutions

[shadow kernel]

same thing happens in Poland, the amount of spots where you can do your specialty training is limited due to stupid government decisions

yep, so that's central management being useless

[hot cloak]

You understand..

Then we have similar problem

But.. godamn.. I wish I was born in Poland instead Serbia..

[shadow kernel]

there's always a bigger fish ;)

[hot cloak]

My whole life would be better

Just to say

[shadow kernel]

but yes, Poland is a shithole, but there are worse shitholes out there

[hot cloak]

I am deaf medicine student, and I have cochlear implant

[floral aurora]

cries in US

[hot cloak]

I am only person in serbia as deaf medicine student with cochlear implant.

but yes, Poland is a shithole, but there are worse shitholes out there
@shadow kernel i agree with you

I wanted german

Because

German is more phonetic than English

[shadow kernel]

specialty training options are fine in germany

it's not centrally managed

[hot cloak]

And for me german is more easier for listening than English.

[shadow kernel]

free market when it comes to doing your residency training

you find an eligible spot, you work and it counts as your residency training

[hot cloak]

I plan to be surgeon

[shadow kernel]

yea you'll have to go through 2 years common trunk in most surgical specialties

and it's really easy to find a workplace

[hot cloak]

Nice to hear that

[shadow kernel]

germans dont want to do it cause it's too demanding

especially in stuff like orthosurgery

[hot cloak]

In my medicine faculty 65% colleagues are already learning german

[shadow kernel]

there are departments where most assistants are foreigners

especially in smaller hospitals

send me a private message when you're on a pc and i'll help you out with textbooks

[hot cloak]

Does that means, for foreign medicine student it is easier to find adequate specialty?

[gray vortex]

What do german doctors do then?

[shadow kernel]

stuff that's easy and allows you to make lots of money with little effort

[hot cloak]

I send you friend request

[gray vortex]

Which is?

[shadow kernel]

dermatology ;)

radiology

[hot cloak]

Classic

I hate studying dermatology

[gray vortex]

And what do you do?

[shadow kernel]

and stuff that doesn't require you to stand at the operating table for 8 hours straight

radiology

[hot cloak]

I have exam from dermatology in 4 days

[gray vortex]

Oh I see.

Does Germany have jobs like Radiologietechniker?

Do you maybe know?

[hot cloak]

As I know from facebook group

[shadow kernel]

yea they do

[hot cloak]

You need to check that

On german embassy in your country

[shadow kernel]

they're called MTRAs

medizinisch-technischen radiologieassistent

[hot cloak]

Im on pc please Check dm

[gray vortex]

That’s a long ass name. I’ll go google it, thanks.

[shadow kernel]

yep, it's a 3 years long Ausbildung here

but you find a job within 15 minutes if you're eligible to do it

[gray vortex]

What’s interesting tho is that it’s at a Berufsfachschule but Radiologietechnologie is a Bs. at Fachhochschule in Austria. 🤔

[shadow kernel]

there's two kinds i think

the uni one is something more fancy

more on the theoretical side of things

"how to build new ones and be able to use them" more than "how to simply use it"

at least that's how it looks like when you do it at univ in Poleland

and it's the same in Germany i think

[gray vortex]

Hmmm, I think it’s different in Austria then. My boyfriend is Radiologietechniker and if I got it right, he works with the patients and makes pictures of the organs. 🤔

[shadow kernel]

i think you can do both after univ, but i'm not sure

i know there's the classic MTRA Ausbildung where you learn that, and there's the uni where you learn that + plenty of engineering extras

[gray vortex]

Yeah, I’m not sure myself, I was just surprised that it’s at Berufsschule. I’ll ask him later if he knows what’s the diff in Austria and Germany. 🤔

[shadow kernel]

yep it may be different because in Poland to be a nurse you have to do a bachelor in medschool

in germany its a 3 years long Ausbildung

🤷

germany loves their azubis

[gray vortex]

I feel like it’s maybe not such a bad idea? They can get workers three years earlier, oder? 🤔

[shadow kernel]

yep it's generally a great idea for the market

why waste money to train people at universities when you can simply get the same result with a Berufsschule 🤷

with people who get their skills on the way while working

[gray vortex]

German efficiency 😏

[hot cloak]

holy hell this was a baaad idea

[cobalt cosmos]

hey do you guys know if one can without residence apply to university in Poland?

[lavish acorn]

Does anyone know if it's legal to practice archery in a random forest in germany?

[balmy plover]

quick look at the law of weapons says, yes. there is nothing illegal about it. But the owner of the property should be informed and agree to it. As long as you make sure no harm could come from it, go for it but rember the archer is always responsible for what happens with his arrow.

[lilac dew]

interessant

lass mal alle Bogenschützen werden

[fair iron]

Schreibt die Zahl davor, damit es richtig sortiert wird.

Also 0null, 1eins, usw.

[hot cloak]

Which is correct

Mein name ist lewis

Ich heiße Lewis

[toxic tundra]

Both

[hot cloak]

Which one do you use in everyday conversation

[woeful matrix]

Both

[hot cloak]

So you can’t go wrong no matter what

[toxic tundra]

Nope

[hot cloak]

Aye lit

[shy flare]

https://youtu.be/qQdojPEc_Xw

[mortal bridge]

Hallo alles zusammen, wie geht's? Gibt es hier jemand, wer einen guten Dokumentarfilm über das Gesichtes Deutschlands empfehlen kann? Also, auf Deutsch klar :)

[outer crow]

ja

[plain plinth]

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
Und das heißt:

Erika.

[hot cloak]

uhhh

idk how to feel about this

[outer crow]

haha es ist das lustige deutsche lied

[hot cloak]

haha drittes reich

so lustig

[sage kayak]

You guys done?

[outer crow]

wdym

[hot cloak]

germans dont like talking about zweite welt krieg

so please dont talk about it

[sage kayak]

Don't joke about that stuff here if you wanna stay

[hot cloak]

like americans dont like talking about mcdonalds

[earnest hull]

s*

[sage kayak]

Bye

[outer crow]

did you censor the s word?!?!!😳

[hot cloak]

it looks so stupid lol

[outer crow]

👍

i genuinely dont know if i am using emojis ironically

[hot cloak]

im using them ironically most of the time

[outer crow]

yeah id like to say that i use them ironically

[hot cloak]

most of the time

[outer crow]

Happy birthday

[hot cloak]

alles gute zum Geburtstag

[outer crow]

Oh thank you

it is really my bday

[hot cloak]

nice

make sure you spend your birthday as best as you can

[outer crow]

field trip it is

[hot cloak]

i just spent it infront of the computer but quarantine was peak level then

now its more chilled out

yeah you should go to a field trip

[outer crow]

i am

[hot cloak]

[outer crow]

:^)

[hot cloak]

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