#suggestions | German Learning and Discussion | Page 5

fathom fulcrum Jul 20, 2018, 11:25 AM

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🤖

fickle bloom Jul 20, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Can we make a george michael channel where a Wham!Bot is always playing George Michael and Wham! Songs?

sand bramble Jul 20, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Yes.

ashen zenith Jul 21, 2018, 10:38 AM

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yes !!

hoary sequoia Jul 21, 2018, 1:22 PM

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please get a wham bot fr

nocturne reef Jul 21, 2018, 11:31 PM

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could we maybe make the color assignement more intuitive? so that there is somewhat of linear change in color for A < B < C < Native ..

gritty geyser Jul 22, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Information about each colour can be found in #282831147942281216. I don't really see how it poses a problem for people who read through it, which we strongly encourage

lime sparrow Jul 22, 2018, 7:43 AM

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I mean I have read through it and been here for a while and I still have to think every time what the hell orange is

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orange > purple > blue > yellow is just not logical I agree

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perhaps changing the orange to red

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red > purple > blue is a lot more sensible

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yes I know red is currently taken

gritty geyser Jul 22, 2018, 7:45 AM

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I'm too used to the current colour coding. I honestly like it this way.

lime sparrow Jul 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

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could you stop filtering the letter A, followed by the letter F

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it’s just obnoxious

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I was typing up an explanation and it just disappeared

peak holly Jul 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

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wtf

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@sand bramble can you stop memeing with the filter please?

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(because I hope it's not intended to be a serious thing to block)

sand bramble Jul 22, 2018, 10:29 AM

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No. AF is why we have the filter. :^)

peak holly Jul 22, 2018, 10:30 AM

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as in as fuck?

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or is there something else i should know

sand bramble Jul 22, 2018, 10:30 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/EmBG0VP.png

Imgur

peak holly Jul 22, 2018, 10:31 AM

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ok i have no idea what's going on there

sand bramble Jul 22, 2018, 10:31 AM

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There's this dude who keeps adding af to the end of every message. We added it to the filter to mess with him.

peak holly Jul 22, 2018, 10:31 AM

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but it's still a rather disruptive and broad rule that can definitely make regular chatting harder for no good reason

lime sparrow Jul 22, 2018, 10:32 AM

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if you have to mess with that guy then restrict it to that guy

tawdry talon Jul 22, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Oh its that guy with 'god complex'

crude orbit Jul 23, 2018, 10:40 PM

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first of all how about we add a meme channel, and also pls fix pinned message in #general
https://i.imgur.com/ClvzvAb.png

Imgur

gritty geyser Jul 23, 2018, 11:47 PM

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The invite link's still working afaik

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And it's nice to use a unique invite since that allows us to track its uses

edgy atlas Jul 23, 2018, 11:55 PM

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What about the invite in #282831147942281216? Pinned messages are, in my experience, too often overlooked. I'd be interested in knowing how much more traffic the one in #282831147942281216 gets than the one pinned in #general.

crude orbit Jul 24, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Also... Stargazing seems fucked

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📎 Screenshot_20180724-191651.jpg

twilit crown Jul 24, 2018, 6:17 PM

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I can see the embeds.

crude orbit Jul 24, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Hmm I'll try restarting?

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Yeah that didnt help

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Hmm maybe discords fucked

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Who knoes

gritty geyser Jul 24, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Discord does that when you disable website previews

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not sure if mobile is affected by it too

crude orbit Jul 24, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Hmm, I had it disabled earlier.. re enabled it when I hopped on WiFi though

gritty geyser Jul 24, 2018, 6:25 PM

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not sure then

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 2:50 PM

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pls remove spam filter that filters out my aaAAAaa

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:^(((

gritty geyser Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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It's been there for two years now lol

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I can extend the limit though

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 2:58 PM

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oh but I could do very Long aaAAaa's before

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but no Long AAAAA's

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oh aaaa's

gritty geyser Jul 25, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Yeah Arrem changed that because he's a meme

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 2:59 PM

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awww :^( sobb

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I love doing irregular screaming

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but it's ok if you don't Change it back :^(

lucid ledge Jul 25, 2018, 5:03 PM

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can you make thi an exception

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because lets be honest

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if thi has a reason to break the spam limit

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its a good reason

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Aaaaaaaa

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Heckeee

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I just scream in excitement a lot

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It's ok nit everyone has to hear

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But thank you hecke aaaa

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 7:46 PM

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please implement command that shows freya pics

mossy gulch Jul 25, 2018, 9:11 PM

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If there are people in for some sort of book-reading club (if it's not some sort of anime) I'd certainly be in. (As a group)

sinful zealot Jul 25, 2018, 9:14 PM

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anime group ? : O

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oh and allow bot to play music when only one person is in VC :^(

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pleaseee

sand bramble Jul 25, 2018, 9:42 PM

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We don't mind groups as long as they're not against the rules. Just get a decent number of interested people and preferably someone willing to moderate.

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Allow bot to play music when no people are in VC as well.

primal anchor Jul 25, 2018, 9:53 PM

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does a bot play music in VC if there is nobody listening

gritty geyser Jul 25, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Nah

lofty oracle Jul 25, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Or maybe we think they don't

gritty geyser Jul 25, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I know mine doesn't lol

ashen zenith Jul 25, 2018, 10:46 PM

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I'll mod an anime group :D

crude orbit Jul 25, 2018, 10:49 PM

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how about a eh

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meme group?

ashen zenith Jul 25, 2018, 10:54 PM

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This whole server is a meme group

fickle bloom Jul 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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How about a German Stammtisch channel? There we can talk and discuss things on a proper German Stammtisch niveau.

lime sparrow Jul 27, 2018, 7:58 PM

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but no one here is 60 years or older

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how can you go to a stammtisch as a young person

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stammtischs are for old people who go to the bar every day

fickle bloom Jul 27, 2018, 8:14 PM

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We‘ll make it happen

sand bramble Jul 27, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Just age faster.

edgy atlas Jul 27, 2018, 11:08 PM

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>gamerule randomTickSpeed 1.

lucid ledge Jul 27, 2018, 11:13 PM

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I'm 62 I'll be the founder

gritty geyser Jul 27, 2018, 11:13 PM

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No

peak holly Jul 28, 2018, 5:30 AM

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What exactly would a stammtisch in discord form entail?

crude orbit Jul 28, 2018, 4:13 PM

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KGF

worthy hamlet Jul 30, 2018, 1:05 AM

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@sand bramble hey can you turn off filtering of the word "a(nospace)f" in #other-languages

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bc that's the danish word for "of"

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and like

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makes it kinda hard to write in danish lol

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😄

lofty oracle Jul 30, 2018, 1:09 AM

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hahah oh god

worthy hamlet Jul 30, 2018, 1:11 AM

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😂

peak holly Jul 30, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Wtf that shite is still not off? That's it I'm making my own German server

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With wursts and hookers

lime sparrow Jul 30, 2018, 7:31 AM

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seriously can you just remove that it's just annoying

crude orbit Jul 30, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Yeah it's annoyingaf

gritty geyser Jul 30, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Afaik it was removed already

lucid ledge Aug 6, 2018, 9:43 PM

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everyone was very mean to me today making fun of me asking a simple question this is a server for asking uestions I feel incredibly unwelcome and I'll be making a post on /r/German about the abhorrent mods on this server @sand bramble bitch af

sand bramble Aug 6, 2018, 9:45 PM

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Overmemed.

crude orbit Aug 7, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Can we get a nsfw channel?

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That's not been suggested yet.

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2018, 9:59 AM

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nope. not allowed on partnered servers

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~~also, you're old enough to find your own porn~~

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source: am in the process of getting a server partnered. we had to delete our nsfw channel.

crude orbit Aug 7, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Can we have a NSFF channel then?

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Not Safe For Flappy

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Where we post undercooked steaks

fathom fulcrum Aug 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

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How is that NSFF?

ashen zenith Aug 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

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yea shes french 👀

crude orbit Aug 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

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You should only eat cooked steaks.

ashen zenith Aug 7, 2018, 10:04 AM

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nsff would be cooked steaks

crude orbit Aug 7, 2018, 10:04 AM

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No I banned flappy from eating raw steaks you see

lucid geode Aug 8, 2018, 10:49 AM

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So is our Server partnered?

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What is partnership anyway

peak holly Aug 8, 2018, 10:50 AM

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moar stuff

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less nsfw

lucid geode Aug 8, 2018, 10:51 AM

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So worse?

lime sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 10:56 AM

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for one there’s the discord.gg/german invite

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which is nice

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and better voice channels

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and the admin got a sweater and free discord nitro

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and there’s some other minor stuff i think

peak holly Aug 8, 2018, 10:58 AM

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probably users limit and stuff like that

lime sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 10:59 AM

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user limit is basically unrestricted, nah

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the japanese server I’m on isn’t partnered from what I can tell and they’re at 8k members

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nor is Learn a Lang at 4k

sand bramble Aug 8, 2018, 11:09 AM

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From what we've learned, member count doesn't mean anything as long as it's above the minimum requirement. You just have to be annoying enough. We probably sent the request like 4 times.

lime sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 11:21 AM

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in what period?

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we got rejected but they didn’t give us any indication for why

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(we’re gonna ask why, we assume it’s because it’s an obscure topic)

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our subreddit is 20k, they say they consider any above 8k

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and you’re not even affiliated with a sub

gritty geyser Aug 8, 2018, 11:55 AM

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We're affiliated with r/German

lime sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 12:01 PM

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do you even have a shared mod

gritty geyser Aug 8, 2018, 12:33 PM

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No and it's not needed

lime sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 12:54 PM

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did you apply as "subreddit" or "other" though?

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because they told us thay if we were to apply as subreddit then they need both a reddit and a discord contact

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(preferably the same person)

gritty geyser Aug 8, 2018, 1:21 PM

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We applied as subreddit and I talked to a few devs after we've waited for a response

sand bramble Aug 9, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Rude.

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Also, I've jokingly said it before but as an actual serious suggestion: #dialects
while I seem to be the most active dialect speaker here, I've seen people asking questions about dialectal variation a bunch, and I feel like there's definitely conversations that aren't happening because they don't have a place to be.

If you consider adding it I would further like to ask for a strict "no dialectal discrimination" rule, at least for that channel, that I can point people towards to shut them up, cause I can already see myself be annoyed at people making fun of $dialect$

peak holly Aug 9, 2018, 10:30 AM

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I'd enjoy a dialects channel. We have one over on the Italian server and it's rather interesting what comes out of it, and I also find learners are often interested as well.

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I know you're sensitive about the matter and I understand your view Sascha, but I don't know if there's a need to have such a rule right off the bat. After all I would consider it common sense to avoid discrimination of any sort, but especially of dialects if the channel's focus is exactly that

gritty geyser Aug 9, 2018, 10:48 AM

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We'll think about adding a dialects channel if people are actually interested in a it. That being said, we're probably going to have a poll about the matter soon

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Also I just noticed, I never corrected you @lime sparrow. NSFW channels are allowed as long as you make use of discord's built-in age gate.
https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001494012-Discord-Partnership-Requirements

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lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 10:56 AM

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nsfw channels as in the discord functionality, yes

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but nsfw channels as in "a place to share explicit material" not

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Also regarding the rule thingy, it should go without sayinf but sadly it doesn't seem to, at least on the #german-dialects channel over on learn a lang

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(which used to be a great channel once but all the regulars have moved on...)

peak holly Aug 9, 2018, 11:04 AM

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I don't know that community but I don't see blatant reasons to consider this one similar to it by default, so my attitude would be that of seeing how it unfolds and whether the problem even arises. Making an explicit rule on something that's not currently a problem here could in some way make it happen more rather than less. My two cents

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 11:04 AM

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fair fair

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 3:32 PM

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oh one more thing regarding the dialect channel thingy: I’ve found in other places that people really only seem to start asking questions about dialects once a place for that actually exists. I’ve found that a lot of people are acutally interested but don’t really think about it until they see the option.

but really I just want there to be a place for dialect speakers tbh, I absolutely love discussing dialectal differences but if any others are around they’re hiding well, or might simply not find it an appropriate topic to discuss around learners for fear of confusing them

peak holly Aug 9, 2018, 3:37 PM

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which is fair considering the differences between hochdeutsch and the so many different dialects. I don't think there's any "safe" place for dialects for the unknowing learner's standpoint unless there's a dialect channel

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 3:37 PM

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also I promise that I’ll keep my dialect out of discussion in other places unless explicitly prompted if I have a dialect channel ^^

tough siren Aug 9, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Does German have a lot of dialectical diversity?

peak holly Aug 9, 2018, 6:11 PM

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yes, although most dialects are not very active compared to standard german anymore

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 6:15 PM

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some “german dialects” are actually more closely related to english than german, even; the variation goes back millenia in some cases

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(low german is often grouped as most closely related to anglo-frisian, where english belongs to too)

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but it’s a continuum

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the most active dialects are in the south

peak holly Aug 9, 2018, 6:16 PM

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the term dialect should be clearly defined or made obsolete imo. It's often diminishing in respect to regional languages that can stand on their own feet, as is the case in German and Italian for example

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 6:16 PM

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imo “language” is the one that deserves to go obsolete

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dialect is more well-defined

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the distinction between teh two words is political in nature tho, so yea

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one should go

gritty geyser Aug 9, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Discussions like these are better suited for channels like #questions or #beginner-german

lime sparrow Aug 9, 2018, 6:28 PM

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how about #dialects? :P

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Can we clear up people that "ree" is mocking autistic people and it's the sound version of "autistic screeching" and can we ask everyone not to do it :((

gritty geyser Aug 10, 2018, 11:36 AM

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it's not going too far, in all fairness. There's not been any mention of autism whenever its been brought up

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 11:37 AM

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I don't think that changes the origin of the word thi

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tho

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Can we at least clear up people on that

wild aurora Aug 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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No offense but you create problems that don‘t exist :x

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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Most aren't aware and might use it in fromt of people who're sensitive to that

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What do you mean?

gritty geyser Aug 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

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you seem to be the only person sensitive to that

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suggestion closed

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

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Fine

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 12:01 PM

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while I’m not bothered by it per se I do find it to be kinda in bad taste and also just generally annyoing

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mostly the latter tho

sand bramble Aug 10, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Tbh it's literally the sound frogs make when threatened, there are at least 3 videos of it on yt.

lofty oracle Aug 10, 2018, 5:16 PM

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When I looked up the origins of the word some weeks ago, that's also what came up

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Some pepe stuff or something

raw finch Aug 10, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Wow you closed a suggestion literally ten minutes after it popped up, complaining nobody has responded to it yet?

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Lol what

sand bramble Aug 10, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Nobody said that people didn't respond to it.

raw finch Aug 10, 2018, 5:38 PM

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How many people are on this server? To be fair: how many active people are on this server? And you waited for two. Two.

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:38 PM

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What are you even rattled about.

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There was further discussion in general two.

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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there was a discussion outside this chanenl jeff

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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It didnt continue here.

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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beforehand

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or afterwards?

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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If you read up it said to move to general 2.

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Scroll up there and there is more talking.

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I feel it should be mentioned that the thing connecting "reee" to autism is just that one meme. It's not something autistic people actually do, so I don't see how it would be offensive.

rugged atlas Aug 10, 2018, 5:40 PM

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I think most people associate it with 'autistic screeching'

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Not really.

rugged atlas Aug 10, 2018, 5:40 PM

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And the whole point of a meme is that it's not just said once

raw finch Aug 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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@digital sorrel Looked it up, found no text saying the discussion was taking place elsewhere so I just saw this one here, so I'm sorry if it sounded rude. But this is confusing.

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Never seen it referred to as that

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Its fine dude

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But this discussion was closed anyway.

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It is fine now.

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 5:46 PM

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@rugged atlas still if you made a meme saying "cats go 'woof'" and people for some reason started repeating it, saying "woof" would only refer to cats for people "within the loop". Anyone else would still not get it and think of dogs instead.
In the same way you can't change the significance of a sound through a meme and then use it to say that someone using that symbol (in an ambiguous way, so it very well may be that it's not referring to your meme at all) to offend a particular category.
Offence is not a word, offence is an intention; if the speaker doesn't intend to offend and the word they used is not universally offensive, then there's no offence

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(by universally I mean understood as offensive by all, or the relative majority, of the currently spoken language's speakers)

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@raw finch still, nowhere does it say that on this server, decisions like these are taken democratically. We can suggest and if the admins don't want to approve they just don't, regardless of how many people disagree with them

rugged atlas Aug 10, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Yeah I guess I'd say that reee is universally accepted as being associated with autism in my circles

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I've never seen it referenced it here.

rugged atlas Aug 10, 2018, 5:48 PM

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That's just the experience I have anyway

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Like that

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And most of my friend groups dont think that way either.

gritty geyser Aug 10, 2018, 5:49 PM

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reeeeeee

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stop

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 5:49 PM

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but here's the thing, "in my circles" means that it's not universal. So within your circles you and the other members of the circle should avoid using it lest you want to sound offensive, but otherwise there's no such connotation to the word

rugged atlas Aug 10, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Still you gotta accept that there are people here who have made it known that they find it offensive

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:51 PM

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If you guys still wanna discuss and stuff maybe move to #general-2

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But the topic was closed twice on both channels.

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 5:54 PM

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hey it's fine to discuss stuff even it's "closed"

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:54 PM

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I didnt say it wasnt

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Just warning you.

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I feel warned ⚠

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Good

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 6:00 PM

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so I’m curious, is any actual serious discussion about #dialects happening in the mod channels? my suggestion would be to just create it, and if it turns out to be very inactive, say, after a month (I find it really hard to judge with this topic) then you can always just delete it again.
on another server I am on there was barely ever talk about food, then someone asked for the creation of #food. we were sceptical that it would be active at all based past experience. it’s now one of our most active off-topic channels ^^

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 6:02 PM

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You've been asking for this a lot lol

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 6:02 PM

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of course

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I mean I only seriously asked for it once and got a non-answer

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which is why I’m asking for an actual answer again

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but yes, it’s a topic that is very important to me

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and I’ve had a few good discussions with others on the server here about the topic

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 6:04 PM

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I see.

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 6:05 PM

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(here I come to back him up again) even if I don't have as strong an interest/involvement with the topic I do feel like it's not that hard a suggestion to parse. A channel about dialects would contribute way more to the server's purpose than something like #science (and I say that despite absolutely loving that channel) even by only its presence. Even if it were to end up being deserted it would be no big deal to remove it if need for that be felt

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some channels were born to redirect frequent and busy topics but that's not the only reason for making new channels

digital sorrel Aug 10, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Yeah. I dont see it hurting.

sand bramble Aug 10, 2018, 6:12 PM

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It was briefly discusses and nobody opposed it. Though things are slow now since I've been traveling a lot and we intend to do a small user survey as mentioned earlier.

lime sparrow Aug 10, 2018, 6:13 PM

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nice

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 6:21 PM

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ah right, forgot about that

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Hey it's alright that the suggestion isn't gonna be realised, so can we not talk about it?
yes, I was misinformed and the origin was the pepe meme, though nowadays a lot of people use it in stead of "autistic screeching", but since people here mean no offense it's fine since it doesn't affect me directly

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 8:14 PM

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thi, we (or at least I, since I can only speak for myself, but I think this counts for the others as well) weren't bashing on you

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I just saw a topic to discuss and wanted to examine it. I'm sorry if you felt targeted, it wasn't intentional

sinful zealot Aug 10, 2018, 8:16 PM

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No, I wasnt feeling targeted, I just unintentionally started a discussion I didn't want

peak holly Aug 10, 2018, 8:17 PM

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I don't think it was a flame or negative discussion though. Imo, any discussion that allows people to understand something better is a good discussion

sand bramble Aug 11, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Math level roles for mathematicians on this math server.

fickle turtle Aug 12, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Hi, can you make it so one person can listen to music alone in a chatroom? Also, can you make a channel specifically for jamming to music?

crude orbit Aug 12, 2018, 6:04 AM

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One exists already - if you go to your favourite surfboard for the internet mega-highway, then download uBlock Origin. At this point you have the entirety of the internet free of ads - including everything the bot can queue 👈😎👈

sand bramble Aug 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Yes, Youtube. The bot won't play when there's just one person in voice to prevent people from taking the bot all for themselves.

peak holly Aug 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

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communism!

fickle turtle Aug 12, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Oh.. hm

stiff zinc Aug 14, 2018, 2:05 AM

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since when did memes become serious discussion? At above commentary

digital sorrel Aug 14, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Eh. Let's not bring it up again fam.

lapis nymph Aug 15, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Suggestion: implement Base's starred suggestion in #science

stiff zinc Aug 16, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Maybe we could have a channel just for posting German music? I know we have media but it's not really like other servers where you just scroll trough seeing other songs people like

crude orbit Aug 16, 2018, 8:12 PM

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yes/no surverys to be answered with xdd and

sand bramble Aug 16, 2018, 8:24 PM

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xdd

terse kindle Aug 16, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Suggestion: ban daniel

lucid ledge Aug 16, 2018, 11:02 PM

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🅱aniel ARREMBESTMODXD

ashen zenith Aug 16, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Dan Baniel

crude orbit Aug 16, 2018, 11:11 PM

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sand bramble Aug 16, 2018, 11:11 PM

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aaa

lucid ledge Aug 17, 2018, 1:01 AM

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aaa

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Love you so dearly for this

lofty oracle Aug 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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I can't even read it

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Free what?

unkempt socket Aug 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Elektorn

lofty oracle Aug 17, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Yeah I dunno what that is

unkempt socket Aug 17, 2018, 1:52 AM

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It probably is a misspelling of electron

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Tru.

ashen zenith Aug 17, 2018, 9:10 AM

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aaa aaa aaa aaa

primal anchor Aug 17, 2018, 11:07 AM

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what

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aaa

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🕋

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:40 AM

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This is written in #282831147942281216 :
#writing This channel is used to discuss or ask questions related to the writing lessons.

Can it be reworded to say that it's for posting writing in general? Since there aren't really writing lessons.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:41 AM

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tbh I find the learning category rather confusing. I don’t exactly see the point of #writing and #beginner-german

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is the latter meant as like #german-only but for beginners?

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cause it sure isn’t used that way

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:41 AM

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No it isn't.

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It's a place where people can go to study together (in German or English), but without getting interrupted like they might in a general channel.

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It has no specific rules except that you're not allowed to interrupt people who are trying to learn or practice together.

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Whereas all the other learning channels do have specific purposes.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:43 AM

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ah so just generally for when two or more people wanna do exercises together or what not

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Yeah.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:43 AM

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that makes sense

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okay, what about writing?

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:43 AM

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#writing is for when you have a long text you've written and want to get corrections on it. Usually posted in an editable Google Doc.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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there’s an interesting format I’ve seen regarding that sorta things btw

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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It's so that long texts can be separated from other channels because mixing the two is really messy.

gritty geyser Aug 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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#writing isnt useless at all

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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where you have a channel where people only post, e.g. in this case, the text

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and in a separate channel, people give feedback

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so that things that need feedback don’t instantly get flooded

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by discussions

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:45 AM

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That seems fine but ours isn't busy enough to necessitate that. People don't post texts that often.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:46 AM

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also I dunno if this would make sense but might #lessons not better fit the voice channels category?

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are there ever non-voice lessons held?

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Generally not but theoretically they could be. And it's also used for organizing and promoting upcoming lessons, or discussing other things related to them.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:48 AM

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anothe rthing that just came to mind, discord now has priority speaker things with permission. it might be a good idea to create a @teacher (or sth like that) role for people who hold lessons which simply allows them to use priority speaker. I dunno how busy lessons get but it can’t hurt to have the option

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only in the Unterricht VC

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(and maybe also perms to mute there)

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(inb4 already exists)

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 11:52 AM

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Ohh, I see. I don't know about the priority speaking feature but there is a Session Holder role for people who host sessions. They can mute/move people in VC.

peak holly Aug 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

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yeah it would be apt to add permissions for priority speakers to that role if it's possible. Locally to the Unterricht channel would be most appropriate, again, if it's possible. I agree with Sascha

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

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mh so it does already exist

gritty geyser Aug 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

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session holders can mute people???

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how?

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

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priority speaker btw just means that you can have a push to talk thingy where your own volume increases and every elses’ is decereased

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rightclick while in VC → server mute

gritty geyser Aug 17, 2018, 11:56 AM

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i see 👀

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:56 AM

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(mute is for yourself only)

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(server mute essentially turns their mic off)

peak holly Aug 17, 2018, 11:57 AM

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I haven't been in a lesson on this server for the longest time but at least when I did, it used to be rather crowded and it became customary for people to mute themselves when it wasn't their turn to speak/read

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 11:57 AM

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I hope they don’t get too crowded :P

peak holly Aug 17, 2018, 11:57 AM

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especially since many understandably have low quality mics that can be quite noisy

gritty geyser Aug 17, 2018, 12:03 PM

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i didnt experience the era of a berzi in a vc 👀

fathom fulcrum Aug 17, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Whether or not it's crowded depends on the time of day and when/how it's promoted or where it's run.

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Sometimes you have only 1 person show up, other times 40.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 12:22 PM

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well I hope I get like… 5 for my lesson ^^

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off-topic tho

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Writing was where we used to post prompts when people actually did them. @edgy atlas wanted to post one again iirc.
And yes session holders can mute people. It's meant to be used to deal with people who disturb the lessons.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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could you give it priority speaker perms too?

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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We were planning to. I was unaware that they rolled it out though.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 4:22 PM

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yea it’s a thing. very bottom of the list

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Not on mobile yet ree. I'll bug beef.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 4:23 PM

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eh jus tmake me admin and I’ll fix it

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easier

lucid ledge Aug 17, 2018, 5:50 PM

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LOL

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we cant have anymore male mods sorry 😢

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Suggestion: gofundme gender reassignment surgery for beef so we can have more girl mods.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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eh all the non-germans will assume I’m female from the name anyway

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it’s fine

rugged atlas Aug 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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i didn't actually tbh

sand bramble Aug 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Maybe if you got an anime girl avatar.

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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I tried that for a day or two

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couldn’t stand it

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too weird

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this avatar is too long-ongoing to change

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I only do variations on it now

gritty geyser Aug 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I'm so sorry Sascha. I'm one of those people..

lime sparrow Aug 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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it’s fine I’m used to it. I do correct people on it but it’s not a big deal

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much worse is when people misspell my name ^^

peak holly Aug 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

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I'm used to Sasha (and other spelling variants) as a masculine name more than feminine

edgy atlas Aug 19, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Let's have actual suggestions here, please.

lime sparrow Aug 19, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Suggestion: add Reaction Role to this server and set up a proper role assignment channel. This bot allows users to add/remove their roles simply by reacting to a message by the bot, which is a lot nicer than having to type the messages in a spam channel. It also provides a nice space to explain what each role is good for (e.g. explaining the CEFR levels). It happens occasionally that a newcomer joins and doesn’t understand how to add roles as they’re new to discord, this streamlines the process a lot
https://discordbots.org/bot/reaction-role

Discord Bot List

Reaction Role

Clean role management using reactions! Users may join/leave roles just by reacting.

gritty geyser Aug 19, 2018, 12:51 PM

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I'd rather implement that myself, sorry

lime sparrow Aug 19, 2018, 12:51 PM

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well, do it then

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:P

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I don‘t care which bot you use the suggestion is to have a bot that does this

peak holly Aug 19, 2018, 1:03 PM

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neat feature to have

gritty geyser Aug 19, 2018, 4:56 PM

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3 days ago, Oolt suggested if we could have a separate media channel for posting German music. I really like this idea and I hope the admins have taken this suggestion into consideration. Vielen Dank :) @stiff zinc

gloomy lance Aug 19, 2018, 8:25 PM

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@gritty geyser
#archived-media actually started out as a music channel but was then extended to have a place to discuss movies etc. too. As it really is a bit hard to find something in there, we added a google doc and pinned it to let members write in music they like. That way, it should be easier to find something you want to listen to and it's even categorised ^^

idle remnant Aug 20, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Would be interesting to have flags of German and Austrian Bundesländer and Swiss Kantons as emojis

gritty geyser Aug 20, 2018, 6:31 AM

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We did have flags of exactly that for quite some time but no one ever used them. Besides, right now we sadly don't have enough emote slots to implement your suggestion

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idle remnant Aug 20, 2018, 6:37 AM

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😕 well, it was still worth asking

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In this situation, I guess I have to go to the higher instance - the Unicode Consortium - if I want to have it 😉

lime sparrow Aug 20, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Technically, no you don't have to

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flags aren't implemented as single emoji in tge first place

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but as sequences of regional indicators

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so really you just need font makers and discord to accept, say the sequence chzh as "flag of zürich"

sterile mirage Aug 21, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Proposed by: @hoary sequoia
Anderesprachen VC channel

hoary sequoia Aug 21, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Oh it wasn't actually proposed by me lol

spiral lynx Aug 21, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Suggestion: a separate channel for searching&finding people to talk to/chat with

mossy gulch Aug 21, 2018, 5:09 PM

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We already had such channel, the concept didn't work and was archived and then fully closed

sand bramble Aug 21, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Yeah. Nowadays we just recommend asking for people to contact you in your introduction.

spiral lynx Aug 21, 2018, 5:10 PM

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ah okay.

crystal crest Aug 22, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Taggable pat command would be nice

pliant cloak Aug 23, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Removerole Level B

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Removerole Level B

sand bramble Aug 23, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Command names are case sensitive and all of our commands are lowercase. Also #botchannel not #suggestions. mmlol

deft ember Aug 26, 2018, 3:29 AM

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I joined a Dutch server, without the intention to learn Dutch anyway, but they have something interesting. A role that basically works as a tag that lets everyone know that you want them to correct you when you commit mistakes

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Have you thought about doing something like that here? I wouldn't expect anyone to be annoyed for being corrected

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But... Idk

lofty oracle Aug 26, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Wait but

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Isn't it common sense here that someone'll correct you whenever you make a mistake?

deft ember Aug 26, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Yes, I guess

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But maybe some people dislike being corrected (?) We could make a "don't correct me, I have a fragile ego" tag

gritty geyser Aug 26, 2018, 6:11 AM

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It's actually a good idea. Yesterday some natives and a C-learner had an argument, because the C-learner thought it was rude to correct every mistake and others disagreed. Also there is an accident in my experience: I made some meme dude leave because I corrected his sentence. :^)

fathom fulcrum Aug 26, 2018, 6:33 AM

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I agree that if such a role were to be made it should be a "Don't correct me" role, not a "correct me" role, as correcting should definitely be the default. Most people want to be corrected, and many new people take time to learn about roles; it would be unfair for them to have to apply a role just to get corrections.

Better yet, I think people should just be mature and tell people if they don't want to be corrected instead of arguing that trying to help people is rude. It's a German learning server and it should go without saying that being corrected is a part of that.

atomic pilot Aug 26, 2018, 7:13 AM

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^ +1

gritty geyser Aug 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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people should just be mature

Ehm, it's kinda hard to implement.

wild aurora Aug 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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The idea is pretty decent and i kinda like it
However i‘ve only seen one person - the one yesterday - complaining about being corrected
So idk if it‘s worth it :x

keen roost Aug 26, 2018, 7:29 AM

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I agree with Base. A big part of learning is having your mistakes corrected. If one's ticked off by that, they could just ask the other person to stop correcting, rather than have a role for that which users might not check before correcting mistakes (because, again, this is a learning server). It's not worthy of an entirely new role imo.

Plus, I think this was sugested before as well, and still not implemented.

gritty geyser Aug 26, 2018, 8:20 AM

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I'm on another language learning server and they also have the correct me role. Not everyone makes use of it though and people correct one another anyway. Personally, I'd like people to correct every bit of my German. :D English too.

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 10:01 AM

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alternatively, on the japanese servers I’d been on they have a tradition of putting a \📝in their usernames to explicitly request corrections

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that said I think it’s fine to correct people and if anything there should be an opt out

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like I dunno if someone doesn’t wanna be corrected put a \🚫 in their nickname

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also I see I missed drama where did that happen?

sand bramble Aug 26, 2018, 10:11 AM

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That's a nicer proposal than a role tbh. Makes it more visible. Though honestly if you don't want to be corrected on a learning server, you're doing something wrong.

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#german-only at about 16:00 yesterday.

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 10:14 AM

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sieht so aus als wären nachrichten gelöscht worden, traurig

atomic pilot Aug 26, 2018, 10:43 AM

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@lime sparrow ist alles noch da, scroll von hier aus runter https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/222013061886640128/482911618464874507

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 10:43 AM

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mh es kam mir ein bisschen inkohärent vor

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habs schon gefunden

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aber ist schon gut :P

atomic pilot Aug 26, 2018, 10:44 AM

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ah

idle remnant Aug 26, 2018, 11:05 AM

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Der Tag, wenn es keine Korrekturen hier gibt, wird mein letzter Tag in diesem Server sein 😉

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Könnte vielleicht eine neue Rolle "correct me" erstellt werden, die (wie z.B. "Learning German") am Anfang aktiv ist, und die man selbst entfernen kann?

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:08 AM

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then you still have to check whether they ahve the role

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that’s annoying

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if they don’t wanna be corrected, have them show it visually somehow

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and assume corrections are fine otherwise (unless they just told you not to ofc)

idle remnant Aug 26, 2018, 11:10 AM

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True. Maybe this doesn't really make sense 🤔

fathom fulcrum Aug 26, 2018, 11:13 AM

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And what is the benefit of this auto-assigned role over an opt-in no-corrections role? @idle remnant

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:14 AM

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the only way a no-corrections role would make sense to me is if it changed the color, but then colors are already in use so that’s not really doable

gritty geyser Aug 26, 2018, 11:16 AM

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How about no new roles since people who don’t wanna be corrected can just write it next to their name or sth?

keen roost Aug 26, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Yeah, like a server-accepted emoji as Sascha suggested

raw finch Aug 26, 2018, 11:19 AM

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@lime sparrow Disclaimer: Please don't correct me unless I lost the ability to speak German.

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:19 AM

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sure I’ll remember it for the remainer of this conversation

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please remind me again next convo

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^^

raw finch Aug 26, 2018, 11:19 AM

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😄

atomic pilot Aug 26, 2018, 11:25 AM

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can i get a grammar nazi role

idle remnant Aug 26, 2018, 11:25 AM

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@fathom fulcrum my idea was, anybody who joins, would notice which roles they got and remove it if needed. Opt-in role requires a bit of research and not everybody may immediately notice it. But as I said, I'm not sure if it's a good idea anymore.

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:26 AM

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can I get a “beats up grammar nazis” role?

atomic pilot Aug 26, 2018, 11:26 AM

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but people still have to find out how to remove their own roles @idle remnant

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:27 AM

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like seriously while obviously not as bad as real nazism it’s definitely a super obnoxious thing, and kinda discriminatory too (since it often targets dialectal variation). but that’s a discussion for another place and time

idle remnant Aug 26, 2018, 11:27 AM

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but they would immediately see that they have it. in opt-out case they may be fully unaware

lime sparrow Aug 26, 2018, 11:27 AM

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the name is pretty apt

sand bramble Aug 26, 2018, 11:38 AM

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We also might be trying to solve an unimportant issue here. We rarely get people who complain about being corrected. 🤔

lucid ledge Aug 26, 2018, 1:33 PM

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I'd like to be but a lot of people just, dont?

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either bc they dont know or bc they dont read

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~~or they post something about the austrian version of bafög 😒 ~~

lime sparrow Aug 31, 2018, 7:59 PM

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as I’m gonna hold a session tomorrow, might I have the session holder role for then at least?

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asking now lest I forget it

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also just as a question: why are the session thingies not just roles?

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like the groups

sand bramble Aug 31, 2018, 8:04 PM

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To prevent clutter. This way we can create channels when needed and close them when the session is done. Also each group can have its own mods that can manage messages in the group channel and add people to the group.

lime sparrow Aug 31, 2018, 8:08 PM

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I see so that #485166177904099338 thingy is actually a thing that gets created every reading session?

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but for some reason some sessions were held in the public channels before?

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(as I have joined some before without being in this group)

sand bramble Aug 31, 2018, 8:12 PM

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I see so that #485166177904099338 thingy is actually a thing that gets created every reading session?
Correct. All g- and vc- channels are temporary. Sometimes we're just too lazy to close them so they stay up for weeks even when they're not used, like sciencepractice. 👀

but for some reason some sessions were held in the public channels before?
Yeah, I've seen people sometimes do a session in a public channel for visibility, bc a group is only visible to its members. We're fine with either option.

lime sparrow Aug 31, 2018, 8:15 PM

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either way, as I’ve said in #485166177904099338 just now:
It was not at all clear to me that you need to be in the group to participate in (all the) events, this is not obvious. It is also not written anywhere in #282831147942281216, so even the few of us who do read those channels don’t get that info.
My suggestion to fix this is to create a channel #events in which every upcoming event can be advertized, with info like “do >sub reading if you want to participate, you will be notified” or whatever

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people who don’t care can mute it, and unlike #lessons or so there woul dbe no other talking that might flood it out

sand bramble Aug 31, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Yeah, the groups are a relatively new thing and we somehow forgot to add it to #282831147942281216. I have planned to freshen it up a bit anyway soonish.

lime sparrow Aug 31, 2018, 8:23 PM

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(note I’m well aware I’m prolly the only person who reads those channels upon joining a server. and I’m always disappointed by how sparse they are)

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(if it went by my rules, those channels would not only contain important info but also backlogs on historic moments on the server and all the juicy drama ever)

wild aurora Aug 31, 2018, 8:25 PM

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day1: meming ... day 13123: still meming

lean light Aug 31, 2018, 8:48 PM

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^

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day 70: hell that was fun

fathom fulcrum Aug 31, 2018, 11:28 PM

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As far as learning sessions go, unterricht is effectively that "events" channel you're talking about. The channel is intended to contain all planning and advertising for those sessions. Anyone who looks there can see people discussing it and ask how to participate, if needed.

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Speaking of which, I was wondering if the channel list could be reordered so unterricht is a bit lower down and learning is at the top of its group? Maybe it will discourage people from posting every question about grammar in unterricht.

hoary sequoia Sep 1, 2018, 8:25 AM

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^ good idea imo

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 8:46 AM

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people can talk in Unterricht, which moves the announcements out of view

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imo in such an event channel, only session holders ought go be able to speak. also cough cough session holder

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I definitely agree with the ordering but imo it won't really do the job still

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Everyone should be encouraged to hold sessions tho
If you need the session holder role in order to announce anything it becomes more complicated than it should be

sand bramble Sep 1, 2018, 10:06 AM

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On the other hand if you don't need the session holder role to announce things, people will needlessly ping learners. Learning German used to be pingable and it would always get mentioned for the silliest things. mmlol

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 10:13 AM

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I think he just meant that people should be able to post there without a role. Not necessarily to ping.

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 10:17 AM

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yeah i was referring to Sascha
sry for not making it clear enough

sand bramble Sep 1, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Ah I see.

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 10:32 AM

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I mean why would you hold sessions without session holder anyway?

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seems like a moot point

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 10:34 AM

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my two cents: I agree with base's idea of moving learning to the top of its category.
I think everyone should be able to write in unterricht but ideally it should only be a place where discussion happens during a lesson (for example for questions, details or corrections on the lesson being held). Outside of lessons, it should ideally only be used to advertise/propose/discuss possible lessons.
I think session holders should be able to ping Learning German (I believe it's already so?) and they should be instructed to do so:

in Unterricht when proposing a lesson, to see who/how many would be interested or have suggestions,
in Announcements when the lesson's time/date has been determined, to inform all users (some may keep unterricht muted but still be interested when stuff actually happens)
in Announcements again when the lesson is about to take place, so people can join.

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Why would you hold a session without a session holder? You don’t really need a session holder for reading sessions for example.

sand bramble Sep 1, 2018, 10:57 AM

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I've moved #questions to the top now.
Session holders can already ping people, yes, however they can't post in #announcements, since we've kinda stopped using that one for lessons anyway.

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:15 AM

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is there a reason for that? 🤔

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I think people may tend to mute unterricht even if just one lesson they're not interested in takes place there, whereas announcements is going to stay unmuted by most users even if a couple announcements for lessons (that are definitely going to happen because they've already been discussed and planned) pop up every once in a while

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:23 AM

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We have refrained from pinging any roles recently because everytime we do, it turns into a REEEEE PING-shitfest. If sessions become a regular thing again though, that should not be a problem anymore.

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:23 AM

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One possible issue with announcing lessons in #announcements is that they can actually happen quite frequently. Even though it seems otherwise lately since not many people have hosted them, you could easily have them multiple times in a single day, several days in a row, in consecutive weeks.

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:25 AM

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There were actually regular sessions a while back with one or two sessions a week and we did not really have problems with that. Back then, there were only about a fifth as many people on here though.

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:25 AM

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having roles for individual lesson "series" would solve this problem but on the other hand it would produce who knows how many roles

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so one would see only one announcement per "series" and be instructed to get the respective role if they're interested. If they're not, they won't be pinged for additional notifications on that lesson series

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:26 AM

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But that would also require some more advanced planning of lessons and people dedicated to hosting them. Right now the way it works is that anyone who is willing can host any kind of session at any time.

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:27 AM

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i had kinda taken that extra planning phase for granted, refer to what I proposed above for the Unterricht channel

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in theory, lessons detached from planned series could still be announced in Unterricht

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:30 AM

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This problem is why the temporary channels and "clubs" were introduced. The biggest problem is that either everyone gets pinged or it is harder to join a session because you just don't know about it. I guess we then just have to figure out what the series are and how they are organised so we can properly set them up. Then we could make a list of them or something so they are available to join for everyone without having to ping everyone all the time

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As you said, "special" lessons could be announced seperately

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:30 AM

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This would be fine if such series of lessons existed, but currently they don't.

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And it doesn't really answer the original question of what to do about the vast majority of sessions held.

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:31 AM

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Yes, that has always been the biggest problem with setting up a system around it

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:31 AM

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This is essentially creating a system for something which doesn't currently exist.

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:31 AM

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well, Sascha's idea of making lessons on Swiss German would be considered a series, for example

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it is often the case that something doesn't see much success because a system doesn't exist to support it specifically. See the reasons why the #dialects channel was introduced, and it also ended up being correct seeing how it does see decent usage since its creation, whereas before it, discussion on dialects was limited to minuscule, random questions and answers

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:33 AM

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I disagree. The sessions could easily be successful without a formal system. The reason they don't exist is because no one is available or willing to host them.

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:33 AM

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^

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That has been the number one problem with any session here

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:35 AM

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I too think they could be successful without a formal system, but I also think that having such a system, if also well advertised, would encourage users to make use of it. I think many who currently could or would hold a session are not aware of how welcome they would be to do it, or don't know where to start.

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:36 AM

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We could try to change that though. For example by creating a group for people who want to or are available to host sessions - in there, we could try to set up a format/time schedule etc.

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:37 AM

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Sure, it could work.

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:40 AM

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I think everyone on the server would profit from the sessions being revived and they were actually a lot of fun back then. I'll ask around the mod team about setting up a group like that and then maybe we'll have an announcement or something like that for it.

Thank you two for your input ❤

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 11:47 AM

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well, Sascha's idea of making lessons on Swiss German would be considered a series, for example
think of it more as a one off with potential for follow-ups :P

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:49 AM

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well yeah, if follow ups happen ^^

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I like Nemo's idea of a sort of "guild of lesson holders". In there, people could propose stuff to make lessons about and members could organise themselves on who would hold the lessons themselves and how to organise them

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 11:50 AM

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question is of course what kind of sessions are there even? there’s the reading sessions and maybe occasionally some one-off like my swiss german thingy

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haven’t seen much else

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:51 AM

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There used to be grammar lessons too.

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We could always set up like, you know, a list of lesson topics and a schedule and get people to volunteer their time for each one.

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At least it'd be easy to do for Level A or so.

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 11:52 AM

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as in sth like a google poll thingy where you ask for things you’d like explained and then someone can decide to make a thingy?

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:52 AM

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one could make lessons on individual topics, or with specific objectives (like how to develop a good learning method for german, or how to best learn vocabulary), or series of stuff (like a series on A0 fundamentals, or a series on adjective declension)

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 11:53 AM

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one certainly could but the things you mention seem much better suited to any of the following approaches: one-on-one, scripted videos, text

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:53 AM

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an open poll format would be useful for Base's proposal. One where people can introduce new options but also "upvote" other people's options that they like

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 11:54 AM

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sessions only make sense to me if they’re rather interactive

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that sounds hard to implement via discord

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:54 AM

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You just need to be creative about it. 😄

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:55 AM

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oh but they are. We used to do them in the past. People would do exercises on some website while being guided by an experienced speaker, who would also explain concepts and answer questions, not to mention explain why an incorrect answer to an exercise is incorrect, and all the sort of stuff we already do in #questions , but more immediate and with better support for explaining pronunciation, for example

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you could even watch videos in tandem

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really, you can do anything you could do in a classroom pretty much

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Back in the days there used to be 30 people in a VC just to take turns reading something or 25 people in on a grammar lesson.

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 11:57 AM

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And I do not envy those hosts. 😄

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Ah it was fun, you always have a mute button mmlol

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 11:58 AM

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really the problem was when people had very noisy or bad quality mics, because they aren't really at fault for that but it does get annoying

gloomy lance Sep 1, 2018, 11:59 AM

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The grammar lessons were hosted by a person who sadly does not have the time to do them anymore. The only reason they stopped is that we could not find a replacement.

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 12:55 PM

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#lessons literally just became #botchannel, maybe you could also announce that sth like #botchannel exists

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Or maybe disable bot commands for anybody apart from session holders there?

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I'll probably put #lessons on my ignore list

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What’s your ignore list?

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config ignore list

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 1, 2018, 12:57 PM

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#282831147942281216
#announcements
#suggestions
#writing
#resources
#other-languages
@trim stump
#introductions
@grizzled yacht
<Not Found: 127070316538232833>

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Yeah, you should put it on the list

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 12:58 PM

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won’t that also make it impossible to announce group things then?

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 12:58 PM

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@lime sparrow I have workarounds for that, Sascha

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Session holders will prolly be able to use the bot there

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Actually, why not put all channels from the learning group on the list?

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Because it's convenient to look up words in #beginner-german or #questions for example

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Oh right

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 1:28 PM

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(i realise this would imply more coding work but) wouldn't it be more convenient to have a black/whitelist for individual commands? Or at least categories of commands. For example lookup commands could work almost anywhere, but role assigning commands would only work in botchannel

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 1:48 PM

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My bot has that as well, yes

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If excessive bot use in #lessons is a problem, I'll deactivate the affected commands for that channel

fathom fulcrum Sep 1, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Danke schön. ❤

peak holly Sep 1, 2018, 1:52 PM

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(honestly I don't see why role assigning should be a thing anywhere but in botchannel tho. And possibly the generals)

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Done

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?

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 5:57 PM

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so yea I guess based on the fact that multiple times we had to explain joiners that this was about swiss german etc, I think it might be nice to have sth like a dialects group (let’s call it dialects cause I always hope someone else is gonna teach dialectal stuff too ^^)

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based on feedback I’ll prolly organize something again some other day if I get a good idea

sand bramble Sep 1, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Group created. You're the only member and mod atm. mmlol

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2018, 6:47 PM

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neat

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“dialects”?

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I think there should be a voice chat role. That way, people who want to meet up in the voice channels can @vc and people will show up

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@admin

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<@&221738850748334080>

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 8:11 PM

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you don't need to ping them 👀

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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~~Please post suggestions in #suggestions~~

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Nully are you ok

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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People who want to vc, will go to vc, i don’t think you need ping them

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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billy

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Oxi???? mmlol

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@fickle turtle Also, don't ping mods or admins needlessly

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Hey suzu

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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this is #suggestions

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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I didnt realize the reaction time was slow

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Sorry

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Are you drunk, oxi? mmlol

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No, discord just bugged out and showed this as #general lol

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LOL

mossy gulch Sep 1, 2018, 8:13 PM

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excuses, excuses mmlol

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:13 PM

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But yeah, please don't ping us for that, we'll get to every suggestion in time

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:14 PM

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Okay

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Is there a time limut

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Limut

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Limit*

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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For what?

mossy gulch Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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No

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They'll get to every suggestion

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They don't have to do it within a certain timespan iirc

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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For mod response

mossy gulch Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Just be patient 🕰

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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There's no limit

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Okay thanks

gritty geyser Sep 1, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Mods are humans too, they aren’t online 24/7

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:16 PM

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I understand

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 8:17 PM

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~~although some aren't even online 1/7~~ mmlol

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Lmao

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Do the admins get lots of pings

wild aurora Sep 1, 2018, 8:21 PM

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admins not, mods occasionally (although they still get pinged by @ mod)
this isn't the place for questions tho

fickle turtle Sep 1, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Ok ill ask someone personally thx

lean light Sep 1, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Suggestion: Andreas emoji

fickle turtle Sep 2, 2018, 1:41 AM

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A channel for watching movies/videos together

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A channel specifically for listening to music

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Voice channels**

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A voice channel for games

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Practice german through different games.

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Like german vocab bingo or something lmao

fathom fulcrum Sep 2, 2018, 2:24 AM

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There's a voice channel for games. You need the gaming role. Read #282831147942281216 for details. @fickle turtle

fickle turtle Sep 2, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Thank you

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I think there should be an LGBTQ+ channel for people in the community to talk about related topics

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Voice channel and regular channel

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Why can’t you talk about LGBTQ+ in other channels? I don’t think there would be enough activity in such channels, especially since it’s not even sth german-related

lucid ledge Sep 2, 2018, 11:11 AM

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^ seconded

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I'm sorry but it seems redundant

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I know for a fact lgbt+ don't talk about or being lgbt+ enough to warrant it

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There are plenty of communities out there specifying in it

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But this however is a German server

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We've got lots of lgbt folks and allies on here whod be willing to hold a conversation with friendlinesss and respect

fathom fulcrum Sep 2, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Just to add some clarification to this: new non-german-language channels are usually only made when a topic completely takes over other conversation in #general

lucid ledge Sep 2, 2018, 11:16 AM

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You can make a sub group I suppose?

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It seems like an ok compromise but just remember the channel gets deleted once inactive and thus all the message history (barring starred posts I believe) gets deleted

mighty zodiac Sep 2, 2018, 4:49 PM

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I think there should be an explanation in #282831147942281216 what the purpose of groups are
I have a rough idea now, but I had to do search:groups for that 😒

lime sparrow Sep 2, 2018, 4:55 PM

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yep, already complained about that too, suppsoedly #282831147942281216 is being fixed

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it’s basically roles that have mods which can’t do modding elsewhere

mighty zodiac Sep 2, 2018, 4:58 PM

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What about additional channels? Pingability?

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Further information will follow soon. #282831147942281216 is currently being reworked

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btw, this exists

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help Group

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 2, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Page 1/1 (3 commands)

Group Commands

Commands for temporary sessions.
Groups are made of text and voice channels that are
temporarily created whenever a session is happening.
All groups are opt-in by default which means you
have to explicitly join them in order to be able
to access them.
Each group has moderators assigned to it who can
either start or end a group session and even ping
all members of it along with the ability to manage
messages within the group channel.

group <group>

Join a group.

groups

List all groups this server has.

unsub <group>

Leave an existing group

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2018, 5:12 PM

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@mighty zodiac Could you elaborate on "additional channels" and "pingability" please

lime sparrow Sep 2, 2018, 5:12 PM

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group mods can ping the group

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others can't, afaik

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2018, 5:12 PM

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correct

lime sparrow Sep 2, 2018, 5:12 PM

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part of what makes them nicer than roles

mighty zodiac Sep 2, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Are there channels unaccesible without the group?

lime sparrow Sep 2, 2018, 5:13 PM

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temporary ones for events

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group mods can make and delete a temporary voice+text channel

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2018, 5:14 PM

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the only other channels that are opt-in and therefore inaccessible by others are #science and #gaming

gritty geyser Sep 7, 2018, 9:40 AM

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It’s just a trivial detail but how about adding a german version to the English welcome msg?

fathom fulcrum Sep 7, 2018, 11:50 AM

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I recommend:

Hallo und willkommen in diesem schrecklichen, tristen Land, wo wir dich zwingen, die furchterregenden Konjugationen und Fälle zu bekämpfen, und die Leichen deiner gefallenen Brüder, die die Prüfungen nicht überlebt haben, zu fressen.

near hamlet Sep 10, 2018, 2:45 PM

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I suggest a bot that translates and an other one for "word of the day" I know it's basic but helpful

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And I can help with the development

gritty geyser Sep 10, 2018, 2:47 PM

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The bot can already translate words tho

near hamlet Sep 10, 2018, 2:48 PM

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which bot?

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and how

gritty geyser Sep 10, 2018, 2:50 PM

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The only bot we have, just type “>help lookup” in #botchannel or sth

lapis nymph Sep 10, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I am the bot for word of the day

thorny mason Sep 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Hey I just joined an English learning server to have a gander (since I'm a native) and I noticed something that they did which I think would be really cool here. A word of the day/word of the week text channel were a bot just updates it with random words from a dictionary (and sometimes urban dictionary) with the definition. I think that'd be really cool to have here

lucid ledge Sep 12, 2018, 11:13 PM

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we have pferd

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like

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what more do you need??

fathom fulcrum Sep 12, 2018, 11:26 PM

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It's not a bad idea but it has been suggested and rejected many times previously for various reasons.

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The main reason being that there's about 100000 more efficient ways to get a word of the day.

idle remnant Sep 13, 2018, 12:26 AM

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What's the point in a "word of the day" anyway? To effectively learn a language you need (much) more than one new word per day...

fathom fulcrum Sep 13, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Well it can be useful for coming across interesting or unusual words. This is probably more useful when you're at like Level C or native or so.

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There are websites out there that provide that service. I think it can be harder to find German ones, but to those interested: consider finding an English word of the day website/service you like and then learning the translations for the English word. Could be a good learning experience.

lapis nymph Sep 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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I agree that "Wort des Tages" is only effective when it's directed at your level, or are exotic words that even a native speaker rarely uses. The Dictionary app provides such a service.

peak holly Sep 13, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Dictionary.com has a word of the day newsletter for English that one could use the way Base suggested. It's neat because they provide background for the word and not just the word itself.

gritty geyser Sep 15, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Start a Sascha fan club🙌

lime sparrow Sep 15, 2018, 11:39 AM

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~~it already exists in the form of the dialects group~~

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why

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what gives me the honor

lapis nymph Sep 15, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Sascha is a big plus to the server

raw finch Sep 15, 2018, 4:10 PM

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That's funny because his flag is a big plus, too.

peak holly Sep 15, 2018, 4:12 PM

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star this ppl

lucid ledge Sep 15, 2018, 4:13 PM

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ARREMBESTMODXD

peak holly Sep 15, 2018, 4:14 PM

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do eet

lapis nymph Sep 15, 2018, 7:12 PM

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That was my joke :'(

lime sparrow Sep 15, 2018, 7:19 PM

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sorry pferd the people here aren’t smart enough, you have to spell out the jokes

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I got it dw

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here I starred you to show appreciation

gritty geyser Sep 15, 2018, 7:34 PM

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I starred you too pferdo, even twice!

lapis nymph Sep 15, 2018, 8:33 PM

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so kind of you

crude orbit Sep 16, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I starred you 4 times

lofty oracle Sep 16, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Here, take these 6 stars from me

thick yarrow Sep 16, 2018, 1:04 AM

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my mic

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iT does not unmute

sand bramble Sep 16, 2018, 8:25 AM

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@thick yarrow Not a suggestion. Contact the mods elsewhere for such issues.
I assume that you have been server muted, however we have no way of checking unless you're in a voice channel, so ping a mod the next time you're free and we'll check it out. Sorry for the inconvenience.

lime sparrow Sep 16, 2018, 8:55 AM

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you could check in the audit logs

sand bramble Sep 16, 2018, 10:28 AM

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I did but he's not in them. And given that he joined at 3:02 today and complained at 3:04, I think it was just him. mmlol

raw finch Sep 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Ernsthafter Vorschlag:
Neuer Thread #GehobeneSprache

gritty geyser Sep 18, 2018, 6:39 PM

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What does that mean?

peak holly Sep 18, 2018, 6:39 PM

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interessantes Konzept, aber brauchen wir eigentlich einen separaten Kanal dafür?

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elevated speech

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= posh speech

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i'd love that if it ends up being made btw

gritty geyser Sep 18, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Thanks berzi 💜

mighty zodiac Sep 18, 2018, 10:30 PM

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kann ich nur befürworten

drowsy orchid Sep 20, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Ein Musik Channel.

fathom fulcrum Sep 20, 2018, 1:34 AM

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That's one of the uses of #archived-media @drowsy orchid

drowsy orchid Sep 20, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Like a channel to listen to music through discord.

gritty geyser Sep 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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You can use the #botchannel for that

raw finch Sep 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Ernsthafter Vorschlag, volume 2 (was ist aus 1 geworden? Befasst man sich damit?):
Länder- und Regionsflaggen als Emoji (wie 🇩🇪 z. B.)

lime sparrow Sep 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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das ist definitv nicht umsetzbar

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es gibt nur eine beschränkte anzahl von Emoji, die man auf einem Server haben kann

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und die Liste für den Server hier sieht recht voll aus, selbst wenn man da mal aufräumen würde könnte man kaum alle Länder und Regionen unterkriegen

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(insbes. wenn man bedenkt, dass die Welt nicht nur aus Deutschland besteht!)

idle remnant Sep 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

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(wer hat so ein fantastiches Chat geschrieben, wo man nur eine beschränkte Anzahl von Emoji haben kann und der Name nur 32 Zeichen Lang sein kann? xD)

lime sparrow Sep 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

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übrigens

📎 unknown.png

idle remnant Sep 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Übrigens, Österreichische Länder-Flagen sind nicht auf dieser Liste! Wir können sie fordern!

gritty geyser Sep 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

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@raw finch mit deinem Vorschlag befassen wir uns gerade. Allerdings dauert alles ein bisschen länger, weil viele der Mods momentan privat beschäftigt sind

wild aurora Sep 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

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~~mehr mods?~~ 👀

gritty geyser Sep 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Auch ein weiterer Punkt, der zusammen mit der Überarbeitung von #282831147942281216 dann vollendet sein wird

raw finch Sep 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Danke!

gritty geyser Sep 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Immer gern

wild aurora Sep 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

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😦

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ich bin mir nicht sicher ob dein internet gerade memed oder ob das die antwort auf alles ist 👀

gritty geyser Sep 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Ist der Zug :^(

nocturne reef Sep 21, 2018, 2:28 PM

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in den lern-channeln finden sich immer mehr memes und gespräche die dort nicht hin gehören..
könnten da mal user ermahnt oder zumindest die memes gelöscht werden?

gloomy lance Sep 21, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Ich kann dir versichern, dass wir des Öfteren Leute ermahnen, wenn ein Gesprächsthema nichts mehr mit dem Kanal zu tun hat, aber im Moment kann ich ehrlich gesagt dort nichts finden, was nichts mit Deutschlernen zu tun hätte 🤔

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Natürlich bekommen wir nicht immer alles mit und es gibt sicherlich eine Masse an Gesprächen die da nicht hingehören, aber jedem Mitglied des Servers steht es frei, andere darauf hinzuweisen, wenn ein Gespräch zu weit abdriftet.

gritty geyser Sep 21, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Zudem wäre es nett, uns bei solchen Ereignissen dann zu pingen, damit wir schneller reagieren können

drowsy orchid Sep 21, 2018, 9:51 PM

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A role play channel

fickle turtle Sep 22, 2018, 2:20 AM

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how about a channel dedicated for people who want to watch shows/videos/movies together

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i think this would be really cool to have because then a group of people can learn together by watching a show with german subs or dubs but itd be extra fun because they wouldnt be doing it alone

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so they would join in the voice channel

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then they could talk and watch if they want

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Bot commands providing pre-written explanations to common questions. E.g. if someone asks what cases are someone can just type >cases and then the bot posts a write-up and some further reading material

Of course someone would have to write it, I honestly just wanna take care of the threeish questions people without exception ask about Switzerland (do you speak german? how is Swiss German different? I heard you have four languages in Switzerland, how does that work?) cause they're getting a bit old

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The reasoning being basically some questions are asked commonly enough that it makes sense to just... automate them as an FAQ thingy

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 7:19 AM

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oh yes pls

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perhaps there could be a mod-only command to make these sort of automated explanations and give them a name, and if someone gives a good explanation to a common question, a mod could come by and quickly "pin" the explanation to the bot, and the command to invoke it would be public

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seems more practical than pinning, which tbh is a shitty system i'm not sure why discord hasn't reworked yet

fathom fulcrum Sep 22, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Whether or not the suggestion is accepted, it still makes sense to write the FAQs beforehand, so maybe you guys can write up the answers you don't like repeating and, even if you don't like pins, just work with that until a better solution is provided.

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Cause pinning/linking is, I assume, still better than re-answering.

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 7:34 AM

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ye

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I would definitely not want just anyone creating the shortcuts, but like, have anyone who feels qualified write up a thingy and then you let it be peer-reviewed by some natives (for correctness) and learners (for usefulness) and add it

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(don’t wanna end up with the You use the accusative to answer the question “wen?” explanation that natives like so much)

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(maybe the actual command to call them would be sth like >faq cases)

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Base wrote a cool guide to adjective declensions btw
And pferdo has a whole blog about passive

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(And sascha is working on word order afaik)

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 8:19 AM

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no I gave up on that

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there’s some phenomena I simply cannot explain

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and I don’t want to give half-assed explanations

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seriously wtf is wrong with double infinitives why do they exist what

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they make no sense

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 8:21 AM

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'course they do

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 8:21 AM

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I think you could just post the stuff you got right and write a note that there are scary scary german phenomena that you can’t explain

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 8:21 AM

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verbs that use other verbs

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applying a f() to a f()

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Wow such jerks, they’re just taking advantage of others!

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 8:28 AM

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suzu I also got some feedback that basically said “restructure the whole thing” in a way I agreed with, but I don’t have the motivation to do so now that I know I’m not telling the whole truth

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also serki, that looks dangerously like a proof by abstract nonsense

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_nonsense (literally)

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 8:29 AM

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oh, looks like i have something to read

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 8:30 AM

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eh just category theory

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 8:31 AM

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German is just math undercover busted

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@lime sparrow i think even just part of the truth would be helpful for learners, especially for beginners

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 8:33 AM

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I would still have to rewrite it in a useful way

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it’s too confusing rn

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https://github.com/Adarain/Linguistics/blob/master/German Verb Placement/german-verb-order.pdf it’s here tho

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I wouldn’t really share it tho, it can perhaps serve as a primer or sth but not as a real and good resource

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 8:58 AM

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why thank you Sascha

📎 d4f14c9fc258494a20ea9216a7c8bb5e.png

sand bramble Sep 22, 2018, 10:26 AM

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>faq was discussed briefly and we wouldn't be against it if the general consensus is that it would be helpful. I would like us to agree on how it would work first though. Additional questions from my side:

Who would be able to add/modify questions? Would it make sense to allow motivated users to edit the content as well?
Dya lads think that learners might feel a bit memey when receiving a pre-written explanation from a bot rather than from an actual user?

wild aurora Sep 22, 2018, 10:32 AM

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yes although you might want to limit it either to c/native roles or create a new role
if just mods were able to add or modify the texts it would take weeks to get it going
they can always ask further questions or ask to elaborate on things since the command is invoked by another user.. sometimes you just get tired of repeating an answer over and over again

peak holly Sep 22, 2018, 10:33 AM

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imo:

The mods, upon suggestions from users. Both for new ones and edits. Maybe an additional role for people who are often in a position of answering questions, who would also be allowed to add and edit these faqs.
Maybe sometimes, but when it comes to some questions that really are frequent I don't think there's much harm in that. Those questions can often just be googled and people who answer them are definitely more "abused" than those who ask them. Answering with a faq is less cold than answering in a lackluster or dry way because you've already explained that thing a million times in the past and lost any enthusiasm to do it again in an effective way.

sand bramble Sep 22, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Alright. We could go with a whitelist system that would give edit access to trusted individuals.
As for the usage I'd propose assigning a unique identifier to every question, and having >faq add <id> <text>, >faq edit <id> <new text>, >faq show <id> and >faq remove <id>. Though it might be a bit memey to have to remember IDs even if they're just text. 🤔

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 10:44 AM

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I'd be in favour of having these tags/faqs or w/e you wanna call them act as dynamic commands.
->

>cases # outputs information about cases
# as opposed to 
>faq cases ...

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As for who gets to edit what tag. For now I'd say that only the original "tag creator" gets to edit their tag whilst trusted members get to create them

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this naturally includes mods in everything

wild aurora Sep 22, 2018, 10:48 AM

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mh but whats the point of enabling other people than mods to create but not edit (all of) them?
this way you're still dependent on someone else

idle remnant Sep 22, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Not really a suggestion, but can anyone tell me why I'm notified when somebody calls @ Moderation?

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 10:51 AM

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screenshot?

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you shouldnt be notified as you dont have the role

idle remnant Sep 22, 2018, 11:05 AM

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I use mobile version of the app (Android) and it pops up as a notification

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I didn't make a screenshot and after I clicked, it's obviously away

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 11:06 AM

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might be discord memeing up then

wild aurora Sep 22, 2018, 11:07 AM

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you could test it 👀

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 11:07 AM

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@wild aurora I'll see how im gonna handle it btw. It's still in very early development lol

wild aurora Sep 22, 2018, 11:08 AM

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yeah dw take your time
i just wanted to say that if you use a whitelist you should trust the people so much ^^

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 11:16 AM

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personal opinion:

anyone can write a text and ask for its inclusion but it has to be quality-checked, even if the author is trusted. While e.g. I consider myself knowledgable and capable of producing accurate texts for certain topics, I would still like someone to check whether they are free of mistakes and generally useful before they are included.
perhaps, but I feel a bit memey when I get asked the same quesiton every time the word “swiss german” comes up so it’s a balancing act. Also imo it ensures a higher quality in the answers

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also certainly once an answer to a topic exists it shouldn’t be set in stone

lapis nymph Sep 22, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Maybe maintain a sort of wiki where answers are pulled from there and anyone who is trusted can edit that wiki?

mossy gulch Sep 22, 2018, 11:18 AM

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So we are talking about a tag system?

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 11:18 AM

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we are, nola

mossy gulch Sep 22, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Oh cool

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Heyo, Im pretty much done with the essential commands now. If anyone is interested in giving me feedback and testing the (yet to be ) restricted commands, please join the feedback group with <sub faqfeedback (Ping me if my devbot is down)

fickle turtle Sep 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Can you @ me whenever you respond to my suggestion

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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use #voice-chat or #archived-media for that

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or something like rabbit

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I think she meant a VC, not a channel for typing

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we have 6 VC channels, Im sure one of them can be used for activities like these from time to time

gritty geyser Sep 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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I would use math lasagna memes for that tbh

raw finch Sep 22, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Channel #Expressions. Erklärung überflüssig, denke ich.

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 1:46 PM

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<sub faqfeedback

tawdry saddleBOT Sep 22, 2018, 1:46 PM

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:white_check_mark: Alright, I added you to Faqfeedback.

atomic pilot Sep 22, 2018, 3:21 PM

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<sub faqfeedback

fickle turtle Sep 22, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Okay

lime sparrow Sep 22, 2018, 8:48 PM

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@raw finch Channel #Expressions. Erklärung überflüssig, denke ich.

Wofür wäre der denn gut? wird doch schon wunderbar von #questions abgedeckt, oder?

raw finch Sep 22, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Pro Woche zum Beispiel ein Ausdruck oder eine Redewendung im Fokus, um so gezielt das Verständnis bestimmter Redewendungen zu fördern.

fickle turtle Sep 22, 2018, 8:52 PM

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I think its sad that you cant make an extra voice channel soley for watching shows and stuff together, but since youve decided no, whenever I want to do that I'll have to ping everyone to make them aware its happening

sand bramble Sep 22, 2018, 8:55 PM

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We generally avoid creating channels for topics that aren't actively discussed, to avoid clutter. That of course doesn't stop anyone from participating in or organizing any activities they like in the regular channels. We have plenty of voice channels and there's always at least one that's empty. Should that change in the future, we'll be happy to add more.

fickle turtle Sep 22, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Okay, thank you. I'll definitely organize some activities in the regular channels!

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That way they know to move to the voice channel to watch a show or something

fathom fulcrum Sep 23, 2018, 5:36 AM

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I'd like to request the following channels: memes, music, books, art, animals, physics, philosophy, anthropology, food, cars, hobbies, technology, sleeping, movies, selfies, study, news, politics, health, paranormal, cartography, writing, business, roleplaying, word-of-the-day, phrase-of-the-week, linguistics, environment, travel, and dream-interpretation.

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And matching voice channels.

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Thank you.

mossy gulch Sep 23, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Dream-intepretation lmao

mossy garden Sep 23, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Nationalities/Countries roles

atomic pilot Sep 23, 2018, 8:39 AM

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timezone roles

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:40 AM

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Nationalities/Countries roles
Oof, that’s too many, continents at most 😰

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@mossy garden could you elaborate on that. Why do you think this would help the server and its members

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 12:35 PM

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you can always add your country's flag to your nickname, some people do so

raw finch Sep 23, 2018, 12:38 PM

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@mossy garden @gritty geyser I can. On another server, namely the French-learning server, we've established these roles as well to identify who speaks which language as mother tongue (not countries!). As far as I can tell it helped those who had a question concerning other languages so natives could find each other faster. Of course, if you want to learn another language apart from German you'd have to switch into private conversations - but tandems may be more possible than before.

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I'd support this proposition and strongly recommend it.

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 12:41 PM

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While I don't have anything against (I don't learn other languages than German right now and not plan to do it anytime soon), isn't it better to search for a server that's dedicated to the language you're trying to learn?

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 12:43 PM

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i think he meant the other way, as in some aren't comfortable with English as the language they learn from so if they saw someone who speaks their native language they could contact them to tandem using something other than English

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it makes sense

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 12:46 PM

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Hmmm okay. It may make sense, I'm unable to assess since I'm perfectly fine with learning from English (well, except of some vague words' definitions, but dictionaries are usually great in that matter)

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But in the end it has nothing to do with countries/nationalities

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which was the original proposal

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 12:47 PM

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but the original proposal wouldn't be of any actual use :P

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 12:49 PM

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Every now and then someone brings up this suggestion. We usually dismiss it because there's no real benefit for anyone who mainly wants to learn German. As such, we encourage newcomers to talk about their home country whilst introducing themselves

earnest blade Sep 23, 2018, 1:17 PM

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Nationalities/Countries roles
people can just add a tag to their name or a flag

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:45 PM

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@fathom fulcrum I second your request. I have made a request for a music channel before, though, and it was turned down because the mod thought that it was unnecessary and that the music bot shouldnt be hogged by one individual. Im not sure if theyll change their mind but we can only hope. I love the idea for a hobbies, paranormal, politics, dream-interpretation etc channel & voice channel. I REALLY REALLY hope the mods will accept your request

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 1:48 PM

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@fickle turtle he was being sarcastic

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:48 PM

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What a shame

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A lot of those ideas were really good lmao

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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tbh i thought you were being sarcastic too

wild aurora Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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you don't need an extra channel for that tho

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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Esp politics

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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ancap

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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No i wasnt serki

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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you must be really enthusiastic about your dreams then

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Theres nothing wrong with anyone who is, but not particularly

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I think itd be an interesting channel where people can discuss their dreams though

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Ive had conversations with people who like talking about politics and others get annoyed because they want to talk about something else. Thats a red flag that there should be a politics channel

wild aurora Sep 23, 2018, 1:54 PM

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you already can choose between 6 voice channels
if you want to discuss another topic just go to another vc.. they are hardly all used at the same time

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 1:57 PM

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its a language learning server, not a dream discussing one

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 1:59 PM

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But...if they arent specifically for that topic then people who want to do something in that channel will become angry?? I dont understand why its so hard to just make more channels? Or at least change the names of the channels you already have lmao. Like the meme channel, really? XD people go there but they dont discuss memes. Clutter shouldnt be an issue. Thats what the arrow beside the header is for. Click on it and all the channels will disappear for those who dont like the sight of many channels. And I understand that this is a language learning server, but people do not only discuss language here. We get to know each other and build friendships. That is what the other channels are for. Like you can say the same thing about the gaming channels. This is a language learning server, not a gaming server

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The gaming channels being private has no relevance either, because you can just make more private channels for those who want to talk about politics or art, but that hasnt even come up. The answer has just been no.

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Aight just stop the discussion here. We've already explained multiple times why we're not going to add more channels, be it text or voice channels. As for a so called politics channel, I advise you to read #282831147942281216

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Ok

mossy garden Sep 23, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@gritty geyser I thought just to make it more interesting and see where is everyone from. I wouldn't make the country roles mentionable. Just to see from which countries people visit and learn German.

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It wouldn't serve a practical learning objective. I just thought it would be cool

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:06 PM

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There was an idea some time ago to have a map of the users (see the second pinned message here) and some people added themselves there. Unfortunately, I think the lack of visibility somehow made it less popular than it could be

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unrelated remark: somehow, in comparison to the older-style internet forums, many things on Discord are much less visible

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:21 PM

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It might sound cool to you but i think it’s actually a lot of work for the mods to make countries roles

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:34 PM

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I dont think itd be too hard if they split up the work

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:37 PM

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excuse me?

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Me?

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You want me to repeat what I said, Im confused

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195 countries ÷ 5 mods = 39 countries per mod

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Excuse me? = are you joking? That’s a lot of work!

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:41 PM

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39 countries? Thats a lot??

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😬

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Yes, mods have life too and it’s not even useful, it’s just for fun

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Is there some way for regular members to become mods? Cause Im enthusiastic about this group and Id love to pick up the work the other mods dont want to do/too busy to do

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I think many people would use that function

gloomy lance Sep 23, 2018, 6:45 PM

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When we as a mod team think it is time for new mods, we ask trusted members that we seem fit for the job.

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Cool

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:48 PM

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the map is a good idea

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its like the birthday thing

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but sadly even the birthday thing is overlooked a lot

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:48 PM

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which birthday thing?

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:48 PM

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the one pinned in #general-2

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:48 PM

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^

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:49 PM

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ach, thanks. I don't visit this channel very often

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:49 PM

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What makes one a trusted member

gloomy lance Sep 23, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Sadly, discord does not allow for a more visible way of presenting things other than pinning messages

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:49 PM

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we'll actually address the issue of both the birthday list and the map quite soon

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:49 PM

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like, there are people who've been here, two years, have hosted sessions, have been generally lovely and rule abiding

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it aint a quest progression thing

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:50 PM

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What do you mean

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 6:50 PM

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that means you wont be a mod

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:50 PM

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I mean there are loads of things that go into what one has to do to be a mod?

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and its more than just doing x

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Gotcha. And lol @gritty geyser

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So basically follow the rules, be here for years

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:51 PM

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nah I'm just saying hun

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there are people who've done that

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who've been fucking lovely, but it dont promote them to mod

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Oh so its like what @gritty geyser said. No one will ever become a mod

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Unless theyre friends of the existing mods ?

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😬

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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cept that aint what he said?

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lmao

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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lol

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Which part

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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if you're long time in a community, admins and mods like you, trust you and so on, they may decide to make you a mod

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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people can become mods, just its a decision made by all of them, not one person

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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it's that simple

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@idle remnant kay thanks

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 6:53 PM

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lmfao you think someones gonna suck up to what, all 5 mods

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@lucid ledge no??

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XD

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I wasnt thinking about that at all. From what I read it sounded like the only ones able to become mods were people who, like ein Haub said, the mods like (which I assumed were close/friends of the mods)

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But I understand

idle remnant Sep 23, 2018, 6:56 PM

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it would be weird for the mods to give the extended permissions to somebody they don't really know. How can such a person be trusted?

fickle turtle Sep 23, 2018, 6:56 PM

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I understand that. Theyd have to be around for awhile

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Could we make a system where when a suggestion is made, it has to be seconded by someone before it gets to the mods? I'm not sure how it will exactly work but I'm hoping this kind of system will minimise not-so-reasonable suggestions..

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:03 PM

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now now, we don't want to make the mods' job too easy do we ;)

gloomy lance Sep 23, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I don't think that is necessary, but i understand your sentiment ^^

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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lets make a system where a suggestion doesnt get to a mod unless its seconded by a mod

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A suggestion template like this would be nice-

Suggestion:
Reason for suggestion:
Seconded by:

But it's up to the mods ;)

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:11 PM

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a battle royale where 100 suggestions enter and only one will come out alive

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:15 PM

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I'd appreciate some kind of template but I don't think we'd make it mandatory unless more suggestions like the one from an hour ago arise

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:21 PM

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i feel that reasonable suggestions tend to have an implicit reason for why they'd be useful inside the suggestion text itself. In essence, we already have this "template" already without having to explicitly state it: a user's message contains the suggestion, which contains the reason in some form, and "seconding" is often expressed with reactions like 🆙 ⬆ and the like

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:26 PM

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i just remebered
tfw a new command is done in two days but nobody has added a german version to the welcome msg yet sadlol

sand bramble Sep 23, 2018, 8:27 PM

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You have to pingspam beef for that.

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:28 PM

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💭 does arrem even do anything around here

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:31 PM

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@gritty geyser Hallo und willkommen @ ! Sieh bitte #282831147942281216 an, um anzufangen 😄
ping ping ping

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:32 PM

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.

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:36 PM

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done

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:36 PM

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i do hope you added a full stop before the emoji

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pretriggers

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:36 PM

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I dropped the emoji and added a fullstop

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didnt cuz the original doesnt have it either

peak holly Sep 23, 2018, 8:36 PM

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good boi

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:37 PM

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i need a newcomer to see the msg

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 8:37 PM

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you can ask arrem to kick you he would just be happy suzu

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:37 PM

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lol

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@sand bramble could you kick yourself pls

sand bramble Sep 23, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Just get callum to leave tbh.

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 8:55 PM

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thats your job

crude orbit Sep 23, 2018, 10:04 PM

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its a language learning server, not a dream discussing one

I have a dream that one day you'll learn Scottish 😞 @gritty geyser

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Btw can we get a meme channel?

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Idk where I should post my memes?

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 10:09 PM

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#general

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 10:09 PM

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straight to arrems dms

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Sending arrem memes to arrem = memeception

sand bramble Sep 23, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Suggestion: ban everyone who mentions memes in this channel.

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 10:18 PM

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you just mentioned it

sand bramble Sep 23, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Yeah but there's a catch. It only applies to callum.

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 10:38 PM

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I think you should make me mod because I'd second this

sand bramble Sep 23, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Hm ok but one of the requirements is dating a mod. Can I interest you in some juicy beef?

fathom fulcrum Sep 23, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Yes, I'll do it.

lucid ledge Sep 23, 2018, 11:20 PM

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thot 😒

crude orbit Sep 24, 2018, 3:23 AM

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Base you'll fuck anything that moos 😒

crude orbit Sep 27, 2018, 12:21 PM

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That was a good pun

lucid ledge Sep 27, 2018, 7:46 PM

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OK IT WAS BUT IM NOT GIVING IN TO STAR BAIT

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 9:58 PM

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i think the music bot should be allowed to be played for one person because i dont see people using the music bot very often, and if they want to play a song they can join the vc where everyone else is and they can add their song to the queue

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I specifically turned that off to prevent bot hogging

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 9:59 PM

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which is why i said what i said above

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i dont think there would be any bot hogging since the bot is rarely used, and like i said people can add their songs to the queue

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there is a way to make it so that one person plays a song, then another user and so forth

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if thats what you mean by bot hogging

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:01 PM

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You're talking about user hogging. I'm talking about channel hogging where one person is able to spawn the bot in a specific channel without others being able to listen to music from another channel

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:02 PM

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oh that was a complaint from someone? hm

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so the bot cant be played in multiple channels if only one person is listening to it? thats strange

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:03 PM

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well, the bot cant split itself in two

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:03 PM

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but it cant ordinarily do that either though right

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without it being just one person

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therefore, those that want to use the bot can just enter the room with one person and add their songs to the queue, which solves the channel hogging issue

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:05 PM

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you do realise that my current solution achieves the same, right?

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:06 PM

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yes but it also raises issues. if someone wants to listen to music, say to wait for other users to join the voice channel, they cant because of your set up.

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:07 PM

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if you want to listen to music alone… why the heck would you want to do it via discord

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where you’re getting doubly compressed audio

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cause it’s taking already meh quality from youtube, and then being further limited by discord

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just like… open youtube in the background? or spotify, or your favourite music player app

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same effect, better quality and no need to use a bot

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the only time it makes snese to use a bot is to listen to music together

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(and even then there’s better services online if you ask me, but those might not work so well on phones)

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:09 PM

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id want to listen to music with other people actually, but why not be able to listen to it alone first which lets people know that someone is listening to music which in turn invites them in

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i dont want to @ everyone every time i want to chill and listen to music with people

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:10 PM

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I am so glad you do not have the power to do so in the first place

wild aurora Sep 29, 2018, 10:10 PM

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no offense but if you just wanna listen to music with some people this may not be the right server for you

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:11 PM

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oh.

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so listening to german songs to help learn a language isnt useful..gotcha

wild aurora Sep 29, 2018, 10:12 PM

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none of your played videos in the past month were german lel

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:12 PM

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I mean I would in fact argue it is not, but that is definitely outside the scope of this channel

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:13 PM

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yeah i know but i was making the point of why have the music bot as an option so people can listen to music together while at the same time saying if you want to listen to music together this isnt the server for you

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Together = at least 2 people

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It's as easy as that

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Everything else counts as listening to it on your own

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Use youtube

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:15 PM

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okay

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its nice talking with you guys

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:17 PM

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lets not be passive aggressive eh

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:17 PM

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im not

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but you all have lmao

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and thats why im glad we have these talks so it shows the passive aggressiveness of some of the mods on here.

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others have been responsive and helpful without violating their own rules in #282831147942281216

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:18 PM

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only one mod has been talking here

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:18 PM

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that isnt true.

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:18 PM

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neither syro nor me is a mod

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here = this discussion

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:19 PM

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here = not just today (:

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:19 PM

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no, you do not get to decide on the meaning of my words

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:20 PM

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lol alright

wild aurora Sep 29, 2018, 10:25 PM

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don't take it personally but sadly all of your requests were kinda questionable
i can see your point but keep in mind this is a language learning server and your suggestions did not add anything useful in that regard to it

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at least so far

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:29 PM

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i dont agree that all of my suggestions had nothing to do with learning a language, and im not the only one, but no matter if you (or others) have found my requests 'questionable' that does not warrant the blatant disregard for the strict set of rules in #282831147942281216. Because my requests are not what others like it makes sense for me to be treated disrespectfully? if thats how things are run here..wow. that definitely makes sense then since people are allowed to get away with using racial slurs here

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:29 PM

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what exactly are you referring to when you quote the rules in #282831147942281216

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:30 PM

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ill screenshot it hold on

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rules #1 and #3 i believe

📎 relevant_rules.PNG

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:32 PM

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your point being?

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besides, what do you mean with

people get away with using racial slurs
why dont you report these things

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:32 PM

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you ask the first question because youre a mod yourself or because you genuinely did not understand what i said?

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:33 PM

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well I may just be a bystander but I'm also unsure what you mean

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I don't see rules being broken here right now

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im particular also not the ones you quoted

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:35 PM

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and i figured it was commonplace since when i brought up the 'mods dont really have that big of a job' point in the very beginning of my speaking in suggestions, there were a few people (not sure if all of them were mods) spoke up and said we regularly patrol the chats/voice channels. it is my fault for not @'ing a mod when the n word was being spoken, but i guess i was afraid of being seen as a "angry black woman" at the time lmao

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and one second let me clarify what you both arent understanding

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"be nice to everyone"/"dont be a jerk". i think passive agressiveness counts as being a jerk

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:37 PM

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its nice talking with you guys
-you

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not passive aggressive?

wild aurora Sep 29, 2018, 10:37 PM

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^

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:37 PM

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i was being honest. i actually do enjoy talking with you all

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although it makes me shake, i am honestly the most interactive and excited to talk to you all than anyone else on here, primarily because the usually discussions i walk into are not of my interest

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though at the same time, i do enjoy the fact that when sometimes when i interact with people on here the nastiness comes out and that is just as important

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because the other members deserve to know who the leaders of this server are

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:43 PM

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what actually upset you about this conversation. You proposed a change, I turned it down and told you why

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others even agreed on it

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:44 PM

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im not upset with the fact that my request was turned down, it happens often even when I dont see the logical reason why it had to be turned down.]

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what upsets me is the attitude that comes with it

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but primarily it was from the person with the kingdom hearts picture

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"SO glad you dont have that function" sounds like an insult to me lol

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:45 PM

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you did propose pinging everyone on the server

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just to invite people to listen music with you

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:46 PM

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but what did you mean by saying that

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:46 PM

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if you don't see what's wrong with that idea then I don't know what to say

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:46 PM

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yeah youre right. but i also suggested a channel just for listening to music and chilling with friends, but that was turned down so i figured thatd be the only way to let people know i wanted to listen to music with them'

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:46 PM

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I'm extremely glad someone who would ping everyone justto listen to music is not able to do so

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and I don't think I have to defend that stance

wild aurora Sep 29, 2018, 10:47 PM

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the point here is the @ everyone ping ^^
i'm not sure if you realized what you said but this would ping like 7k(?) members

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:48 PM

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yeah i suppose if thats an issue i see where youre coming from. before coming here i didnt realize how big of an issue getting a notification from discord was

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:49 PM

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so i used to be on a server with about half as many users

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:49 PM

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i thought the comment was offhand though

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:49 PM

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and occasionally, someone would find a way to ping many users

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like, just a few hundred

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I don't think you realize how much chaos this creates

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:50 PM

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i dont haha

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:50 PM

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we're talking hundreds of people coming in to ask why they were pinged

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because they believe someone called them

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:50 PM

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mhm

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2018, 10:50 PM

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it's madness

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:51 PM

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i feel ya.. but i think i suggested roles for the voice channels at one point (if i didnt, correct me) and it was turned down which would have eliminated that issue

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:51 PM

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youre completely losing your point here

fickle turtle Sep 29, 2018, 10:51 PM

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i actually think a mod said "if people want to go to the voice channels they will" which was beside the point

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im not trying to argue im trying to help you understand where im coming from

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2018, 10:52 PM

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because the other members deserve to know who the leaders of this server are