That was already discussed, I believe, but we need a place where people correct other's mistakes when they try to speak German. Probably no need to add additional channel for that, just declaring that as a rule for #german-only (if you see the mistake, correct it). Possibly it makes sense to add a user tag "I want everything I say in German to be corrected".
#suggestions
high dock
gritty geyser
I second that
peak holly
even adding it as a rule wouldn't guarantee it would happen. A different proposal was to add channels for specific levels A, B and C which could simultaneously help with that
high dock
I'm not sure there is enough messaging throughput to accommodate the farm of channels. :) I mean to few people speaking. But maybe worth trying. What I'm missing more is place to speak at my level, but that's more psychological barrier I guess.
peak holly
the argument was that having a channel for your own level would make you feel less daunted and encourage you to speak more. If A levels can speak among themselves they don't have to fear mistakes as much as when they speak with more expert users
gilded swan
Why fearing mistakes, I rather fear saying something wrong over and over again than someone correcting it. That's the only way to know you are wrong and mistakes are the most essential elements of learning something new in general and especially in language learning
@high dock if you want than we could talk together. I could try to talk slow and in simple words and help you with your current language level.
tranquil pecan
I guess some people are afraid to either point out mistakes or get criticised
high dock
@gilded swan Thanks for the offer. I'll be at home in the evening, and then probably will join the practice room, I guess there's often people there willing to help. Or if you'll be available, I'd also appreciate your help with speaking practice. (that's probably offtopic for this channel)
@tranquil pecan You mean in text chat? I guess if a person has "please correct me" tag, it would be ok for everyone if they are corrected.
gilded swan
@high dock in how many hours is your evening, you know timezones etc
high dock
I'm in CEST, the same as Germany and most of Europe. Evening starts at 19:00. :)
gilded swan
ok, than ill be availeble
peak holly
@gilded swan not fearing mistakes would be the best approach, but you can't change human nature and you can't make people feel something on command, so it's not really a solution.
gritty geyser
i fear making mistakes cuz i dont wanna be judged ๐ฆ
i dropped spaghetti when talking to my neigbour 10 mins ago
"servus!" ....silence..... "Nachbarn!"
achso!
................................
also, wie geht's dir?
jesus fuck i feel bad rn
gilded swan
Being forced to speak in an unexpected situation and awkwardly making mistakes that you can't avoid is something completely different than confidently making mistakes in an environment in which you embrace the mistakes and not fear them but see them as possibilities to improve
My solution to this problem is to don't speak at all and just listening and reading until I am confident using the language avoiding conversations, so I get around that problem by doing so. ๐
peak holly
that is not a solution, it's delaying one's learning for no good reason. But this might not be the right channel to discuss that :P
thorny mason
I might have a solution to the problem. Make a roll called like 'Ambassador' or something. When new people join, they are automatically given an Ambassador with whom they can speak with and who can ease them into the general channel. That way, people can gain confidence in speak in the general channel ( and what I mean is, speaking German in the general channel and being used to being corrected).
How I imagine the situation to go down is that the new person attempts to communicate with an ambassador in German. They have a conversation in German. They'll most likely be corrected at some point. After the conversation, the person may 'break the ice' with speaking in German and being corrected. Which will have a knock on affect with the general channel in general
gritty geyser
While this seems reasonable and like a nice way of greeting newcomers, it's also unnecessary. Everyone who joins the server to learn German should expect to get corrected. Having an ambasssador with the intention of easing this seems like a weird concept to me in that regard.
thorny mason
I wouldn't say it was unncessary. Some people in the channel are kind of shy. Might be a nice way to ease them into the type of enviroment this is. I mean, randomly typing in the chat something in German which might be wrong, is sometimes daunting to a new commer. So they'd just type in English, which has a knock on effect to the rest of the channel and the learner's mind set
sonic surge
Yes but the issue is probably the multitude of people who join and even the ones who don't talk at all- if they're not open to criticism then we can't be faulted for that. It seems a bit cruel to say that but if they're too afraid to be corrected then there would be no point to joining a server with natives- it'd be second nature to help people who make mistakes. Even besides that, how would we be able to find enough people to actually be able to do that? I am B level and I still make mistakes; even our Cs do. It just seems like there wouldn't be enough input into the system to handle the need for an output- that would likely become tiring to people very quickly.
mystic linden
Suggestion!
A version of the learning lessons where:
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A pre-determined script is set up.
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The present German speakers play out the script clearly and slowly.
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They ask the "students" to type a summary of what they understood or ask questions.
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Presentors explain what was said from questions and then repeat certain words or phrases if needed.
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Presentors then do the script in normal speaking speed.
(Nemoses noted that we could adapt the slide shows used in the past as a basis.)
gritty geyser
Good suggestion
mental leaf
Suggestion for the Session in addition to what Lilly had mentioned (unless it's already there)
Maybe it's for more intermediate level, but it wouldn't hurt the A levels.
The script that the German speakers have presented, Can they also prepare the questions to ask the listeners? Therefore we can see how much the listeners have comprehended so far. Maybe something easy, like "how many ships had sunk in 1998?" In which the answer was in the text. And of course, something that's a little harder for the B levels, like" explain in your own words about the phrase....xxxxxx" something like that
sand bramble
I think she said that, unless I'm missing something. ๐ค
mental leaf
the Summary that Lilly mentioned is already there, which is why I didn't mention it
my suggestion is more on the details, so people really listen to the text
sand bramble
Gotcha. ๐
knotty thistle
We need a Poopgazing channel to showcase the shit that comes out of some people's minds
sand bramble
@gritty geyser This is a wonderful proposal and should be implemented immediately.
sonic surge
so just like a constant stream of my thoughts
sand bramble
inb4 ban arrem
peak holly
i just noticed that ban arrem sounds oddly similar to ban hammer
mystic linden
Suggestion
In light of all the beautiful German songs and the emergence of silly ones some of us make with others, I'd like to propose a Karaoke/Performance channel and voice chat for those that want to sing, recite poetry and read aloud.
Alternate title would be "Open-Mic".
gilded swan
A suggestion:
Maybe you all have seen, that most of the people who are on this server either never join a voice channel or only talk in English about politics etc.
Sometimes people get to practise but a learner always needs a native to help him or just talk in german with him. On this server there are plenty of native German speakers including myself who joined this server to help other people out. My suggestion is a Gesucht-Gefunden-Bรถrse where learner who joined this server can get directed to and say at which level they are and when they have time to practise german.
On this server are enough native speaker that you can arrange some sort of private sessions, in which not like with the weekly learning sessions this server already provides the channel full is and nearly no-one gets to speak. I'm aware of the fact that many people are shy and they fear making mistakes. But with the system that I introduce learners can find a comfortable atmosphere with a native in which they can talk about a specific topic which I know there is a list about some and they should be decided beforehand as well as the subject the learner wants to practise.
And maybe that can help solving the voice channel problem in which either no-one or 5+ people are in one channel which is not the best learning atmosphere especially if you are for example a beginner and you want to practise but you are afraid of yourself and then you find yourself in a full channel with a crowd of strangers sometimes already knowing each other and sonetimes talking about topics that have nothing to do with learning German.
This is just an idea I spontaneously got while brainstorming about a solution.
Beforehand arrangements can also solve problems with different time zones to a certain degree.
sand bramble
TBH we should all try to speak German more. 80% of all text and voice conversations are in English. .-.
peak holly
I like Andre's idea
An addition to it could be that when two users form a couple, the native will speak exclusively in German when taking with the other person
gritty geyser
I also noticed that half of the users in any given voice channel would remain silent while the others (usually native German speakers) would fill that gap.
peak holly
that's fine. For amny it's not easy to just start speaking with strangers, especially in a language they're not comfortable with
it can be a bit annoying if they don't participate at all, but if they just listen and maybe answer by text it's fine
gritty geyser
to clarify, I'm not casting judgement on those users, just stating what usually happens
How'd you change this?
gilded swan
Update/Nachtrag:
I don't think it's good that some people pick up German phrases and grammar from the chat of natives, because I think that a chat because it represents how you speak in a weird mix of writing and verbal communication even though you shouldn't mix those unless you are already at a certain level. I just wanted to add that because I believe that that can be a part of the problem with learning on a discord which actually must not be a problem at all.
viral dove
Suggestion:
Have a voice channel practice room for each level so if people decide to practice they won't feel overwhelmed
peak holly
that's probably a good idea. Many stay silent precisely for that reason
glass flax
This will soon be pretty easy, Discord is most likely going to add subchannels for Voice Channels. That way it doesn't even clutter the section by adding too many channels, making it visually unpleasant. Even though they might not add that feature for a while.
To calm these crazy folk down, weโre adding the ability to organize both your voice and text channels into collapsible categories.```
https://blog.discordapp.com/year-end-teaser-search-screen-share-video-chat-audit-logs-and-channel-organization-bc1c546c9301
gritty geyser
^
We're currently waiting for them to add subchannels before we introduce CEFR level voice rooms
glass flax
That's what i figured
peak holly
did they say anythign about voiceclips like those on Whatsapp?
they'd be immenesely useful here
glass flax
I don't think so, but you can always just record something with Audacity or anything like that
peak holly
but that's lame
sand bramble
Juan is pretty much the only level C that talks. I'm sure he'll have lots of fun in his own private channel. ๐
peak holly
it's not like he can't go in a lower channel to help, or speak in one of the generic channels
fathom fulcrum
How would the rules for those rooms work?
peak holly
go there and talk, if you'r ehigher level adapt yourself to the level you're in
i imagine
or if there's multiple people of the right elvel and you're above it, let them speak and help them without putting the spotlight on yourself (easy thing to happen if you're more confident with the language than they are)
fathom fulcrum
Hmm, okay, so basically let the people of that level dictate the flow of the chat?
peak holly
yeah, that's a short way to put it
mental leaf
But then it's like every new person has to check the flow of the convo whether they're at the same level, no?
peak holly
no, because if the channel is A level, the level will be A
fading mesa
I think we should have a meme channel, where people can do their shit-posting, so that the general channels stay more clean
gritty geyser
Please refer to #282831147942281216. We generally don't allow memes here. Some are okay, I suppose
fading mesa
but people still post them to general sometimes, if we just had a dedicated channel, there wouldn't be a problem
gritty geyser
As said before, if they get too bothersome, ping us
fading mesa
Why not make a channel?
I'm not against memes per se, it's just that there is no place to post them, so naturally, people do it in general
you don't have to go there if you don't want
It would all be concentrated to one place at least
fathom fulcrum
How would you "change the main structure"?
gritty geyser
Memes are not allowed. End of discussion
fading mesa
But what if they're german memes? :p
cobalt shadow
my main issue with the memes is that they arent particularly clever
peak holly
I don't think we should be strict in only allowing learning-related content. A tight community can't be built without genuine and disinterested interactions. But I don't think memes help much in this or anything else, so I prefer things to stay like they are ( = no meme channel, no stricter regulatons)
cobalt shadow
i think everyone appreciates smart jokes
but every meme i see here seems low effort
which is lame and spammy
gritty geyser
As I said, a low amount of memes is allowed
Everything else gets removed
And no, we won't have a channel dedicated to memes
It just doesn't belong on a language learning server
Besides, most of them are in English anyway
So yeah, no memes
deep forge
I mean, memes are an innocent part of the friendly conversation that goes on in General most of the time, they aren't intrusive.
mental leaf
It would seem seem to be a good idea to give the beginners something to talk about in the VC...should there be a list or something that they can talk about? Just an idea....
like, how old they are, where do they live, what do they do etc
gilded swan
they actually is a list on topics in the writing chat descriptiom
peak holly
that one technically isn't relevant to voicechat but the thing is that there's no architecture in Discord to show information when a user joins the voice channel, and anything put elsewhere will probably not be read. The best bet would be #voice-chat but even then, pinned messages are really not visibile. Discord should implement something like a sticky message for us to be able to display such information
mental leaf
yeah I saw it, but I don't think it's easy enough for beginners to do that in a speaking conversation just yet
let's say for example we take the most recent pinned one
"You can repeat doing one thing for eternity. What would it be and [Optional] how would you prevent yourself from getting bored?"
Honestly, if I were still a beginner, I can't just answer this on the spot
a B1/2, maybe
but A1, you can't do that yet. At least, I can't
peak holly
:wavecat: when
keen roost
What about a custom banhammer emoji?
gritty geyser
I think it would be cool if we had a thing on the server where we got English songs and everyone tries to translate them as well as possible to German
sand bramble
@knotty thistle would win.
nocturne yarrow
https://m.imgur.com/ir4Ra25 @gritty geyser ban emote
gritty geyser
viral dove
I second this motion
gritty geyser
gritty geyser
Karaoke channel?
sweet adder
Discord doesn't allow sending of audio clips right? I have a lot of problems with pronunciation. I think it would help me a lot if I can record myself speaking german and have someone tell me which parts need improvement.
peak holly
not yet unfortunately
the best way to do it is using a third party website for recording clips
edgy atlas
Until then, feel free to ask someone to offer advice in voice chat.
peak holly
or voicechat, yeah
sweet adder
I think I will host my audio somewhere and post it here. Maybe another channel for that?
peak holly
i think learning works fine for that, unless you want to send them in private
glass flax
You can just upload a .wav
glass flax
As long as it's smaller than 8mb
frosty helm
any sound format should do, no?
glass flax
It can be any sound format. We'll have to download it like any other file.
peak holly
eh that's not very nice though
sweet adder
I'm super duper shy and would feel bad having someone sit with me and wait for me to talk. With audio clips I can do it when I have free time and anyone can take a look, advice and other ppl can also learn from my recording and past comments.
glass flax
It's a workaround at least.
peak holly
a link to an audio clip somewhere is better than having to download the file, until we get actual voiceclips here
what sites do people use for this kind of stuff?
glass flax
I can see google drive working for this
peak holly
vocaroo, clyp ๐ค
sweet adder
SoundCloud and chirbit is nice.
glass flax
But that would probably be too easy to hijack, yeah.
sweet adder
YouTube too
glass flax
Those other suggestions are better than gDrive
sweet adder
Alrighty thanks guys. I will upload something later and put a link in #voice-chat
gritty geyser
just use http://vocaroo.com/
sweet adder
Normally Most of this sites have limits to how much I can upload as a free user so probably I will use more than one of them.
haughty shuttle
Anyone know a good site to get German definitions of words ?
sand bramble
Duden/Wiktionary.
Duden is great, but might be a bit too complex if you're just starting out.
haughty shuttle
It's for a presentation :DD. Shouldn't be :p . Thanks man!
slate dome
I would like to suggest a resource to add to the resources list. It is a daily podcast where every episode is themed after a number, and each one is only a few minutes long http://anerzaehlt.net/ should I just add it to the document or how does the process go.
peak holly
@sand bramble usually comes here and does the thing, if he's not too busy memeing
sand bramble
Who do we ban?
peak holly
you
sand bramble
:(
Sure, I'll add it, thanks. And for future reference, suggest new resources in #resources. ๐
peak holly
that seems inuntuitive
sand bramble
Intunituntive?
peak holly
anointible
cedar void
You could make an entire other server in which it is total German immersion, much like the Deutsch only vc and tc, but much bigger, and no exceptions allowed or something
Idk lol
sand bramble
We already have a me emoji. 
steady monolith
no a me emoji not a you emoji
sand bramble
Yes, a me emoji, not a you emoji. ๐
gilded swan
Wir brauchen einen Reading channel, um Leseerfahrungen oder die deutsche Aussprache zu bereden.
mental leaf
^
gilded swan
Vielleicht kรถnnte man den Vorlesestundechannel in Gruppensession oder so umbenennen, falls da noch andere Gruppensessions in der Zukunft geplant sind, um einen Kontrast zum Readingchannel zu schaffen.
gritty geyser
Nette Idee
stuck ore
I think it would be usefull to have channels per level (A1, A2, etc)
glass flax
That's planned! Discord is going to eventually make it possible to divide the voice channels into groups. As of now it would only take up too much space.
cedar void
Chuck's here too?? Aww this is a great channel!
glass flax
I mean I obviously can't speak on behalf of the mods, but the suggestion has come up before.
gritty geyser
The sub channels feature is getting rolled out to the public in the next month (s)
It's currently being tested internally and some users have access to it ;)
peak holly
๐
winged mica
maybe we could use a channel with name "german idioms" or somethign like that
chilly barn
Sounds like it would fit into #questions?
gritty geyser
Yup
winged mica
Mmm yeham you are right
cedar void
We should add a #one-line-story
Like in the English discord
Where each person adds on to each post too make a story
mossy gulch
There is a bot for that
cedar void
Where
mossy gulch
Idk the name anymore
cedar void
But even so, I think it should be a dedicated text channel
mossy gulch
Yeah
fallow halo
Hat jemand noch ein Problem mit dem "Deutsch-only" auf denglish? Haha das ist alles. Vielleicht "Nur Deutsch". Aber es ist ja nicht so schlimm
peak holly
Es ist ein Witz. :p
cedar void
Is study partner for school only?
Cuz we're all looking to study here, that's why we're here ๐ค
mental leaf
@tranquil pecan I don't know how the tag works yet for the study partner, because it seems to not really useful, since if there are any questions, people would just go to #questions or ask in #general or even #german-only
so how would it be different?
can there be a separate text and voice channel perhaps?
cedar void
^^
fathom fulcrum
How would extra channels help it though?
Availability of channels isn't an issue, after all.
mental leaf
then what's the point of having a Study Partner tag?
having the learning german tag is enough for the announcement for the weekly read out
otherwise?
tranquil pecan
@mental leaf the tag isn't for people that have questions, but for people that are looking for a partner to study with
mental leaf
so basically, they go up the list, and then if they see another person there, they ask them to be their partner?
sand bramble
Yes.
peak holly
I think how to use it should be explained in #282831147942281216, if you guys didn't do that already
mental leaf
^
sand bramble
0x1 is a busy lad atm, but he'll get to that soon.
sand bramble
Hijack #general-2.
peak holly
but that wouldn't be permanent, Arrim :<
edgy atlas
One sentence stories don't happen often enough for them to need their own channel. ^^
In fact, I've never seen them take place here.
sand bramble
Never? See #general-2. ๐
peak holly
well maybe they don't happen often because there's nothing to remind their existence to the user
gloomy lance
Maybe we could try something out like "One-Word-Wednesday" where we try to do a one-word story once a week.
vocal basalt
a nsfw channel would be fun
vocal basalt
Im fact, a nsfw is required.
balmy horizon
nein
vocal basalt
warum?
vocal basalt
schon
glass otter
I second that! ^ I already have one if we could use it! ๐
tardy mirage
I think it's a great idea ๐ค
snow valve
๐ค I thought there was already one
lapis nymph
@gloomy lance I am a bit confused by your suggestion. Do you mean a story that is literally one word long or something else?
gloomy lance
oh, i meant the one-sentence stories that we were doing - i got a bit overenthousiastiv about my alliteration there, it seems ๐
sand bramble
No, Wan-Word-Wednesday would have been overenthusiastic. An event where we listen to Juan say random words or something, idk.
lapis nymph
good try Arrem
good try
and, ah, okay, I thought you might have meant that, but I also thought you could've meant to make a story around or about a specific word.
tardy mirage
@snow valve Well at least in #282831147942281216 there's no mention to it ๐
cedar void
Do we have a Duolingo club? Idk how that works, but if we don't, we should
fathom fulcrum
There isn't an official one and clubs can only have a small number of members.
sand bramble
Berzi would murder us.
steep crystal
I'll make a club if you and whoever wanna be in it. Only 15 people in a club tho
cloud pond
What about setting up a memes channel (most of them in German ofc)?
gritty geyser
Nah
๐ง [ษส.ษksหหwสn] - 11/07/2017
Please refer to #282831147942281216. We generally don't allow memes here. Some are okay, I suppose
tardy mirage
Genuine curiosity here, is it necessary to have 2 #general channels? I've never seen any other place having two sepparate channels for the same subject (namely none in particular ๐)
peak holly
yes it is. Sometimes chat gets fast and starts talking about several things at the same time. It gets hard to follow and one of the groups might not be interested in what the others are talking about
tardy mirage
Humm I see, thanks for the info
fathom fulcrum
Before the channel was made, it was often quite a mess. ๐
tardy mirage
Yes I think they were already there when I joined, so I didn't really think of that ๐
mossy gulch
Put the general channels in a general category
This hide channels when read thingy is really handy
gritty geyser
They are in a category
mossy gulch
No i mean #282831147942281216 #announcements and #introductions @gritty geyser
gritty geyser
We didn't categorise them on purpose
sand bramble
^We wanted them singled out on top.
native bane
Are there other channels for other languages as well?
snow pine
gloomy lance
#other-languages
the name translates to "otherlanguages" ๐
native bane
Uh oh thanks :P
mossy gulch
Can we have a weekly karaoke party?
gilded swan
If you organize that? ^^
crude bloom
Put the more important channels, the ones in Learning/Unterricht, above the voice channels. I had to look for a second to find where those were. Voice channels can be filled, hence the other channels disappear.
peak holly
I agree. General off-topic stuff should be less important than practice stuff
fathom fulcrum
Ja, I think it's good if all the voice channels are at the very bottom still.
peak holly
if voice channels could be minimised it would make no difference, but alas
unless voice channels are put into specific categories ๐ค
like General Voice (under General Discussion), so one can minimise that category to minimise the voice channel. It could be a decent enough workaround
gloomy lance
what do you guys think about this:
we put the three general voice-channels into a seperate category where they are right now - that way they can be collapsed
ah sorry, @peak holly i didn't read your last message
peak holly
I thought you were about to propose to put generals in a separate category and keeping learning channels together with the text ones.
I'd not be opposed to that
fathom fulcrum
Why do they need to be next to the text channels anyway?
Is there a benefit to it?
gloomy lance
in the same category, idk ^^
peak holly
they'd be grouped by scope instead of by type, as opposed to the previous look. It's understandable I suppose
part of the struggle comes from the switch having happened in the first place so we should keep that bias in mind
personally I don't mind the grouping by topic right now, provided general vc doesn't pollute the channel list
the only thing is that I feel nur-deutsch and deutsch-only, while being certainly generals, are also learning channels for all non-natives ๐ค
gloomy lance
that's why i thought putting Casual, Nur Deutsch and Gaming into one "General Discussion VC"- category was a nice compromise
peak holly
yeah that would solve the problem well enough
gloomy lance
@crude bloom @peak holly @fathom fulcrum i hope it's better now ^^
fathom fulcrum
Hmm. On mobile it only collapses the empty voice channel. 
peak holly
I'd also move the learning group above general discussion
gloomy lance
that's what it looks like to me
peak holly
same, but mobile might differ
sand bramble
How's this?
crude bloom
This one, as it is right now, is good.
Voice channels are still visible for people to see, but the most important is that the important channels are good in sight.
sand bramble
Yeah, we haven't had this many people in voice since we got the categories, so the problem wasn't as apparent. Thanks for your suggestion!
peak holly
I still advocate for learning channels on top
edgy atlas
I started a poll, which resulted in a unanimous decision to keep the general channels above the learning channels.
This might be changed later if there's enough support for it.
spring oak
Shouldn't the #voice-chat be in the same category as the voice channels? o:
peak holly
that would make sense, yes
peak holly
not necessarily
voicechat is inherently connected to, well, the voiche chat, whereas the gaming text and voice channels aren't necessarily. I never entered the voice channel for it but I still like to discuss games in the text channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
Casca#2214 asks: How should the channels be structured?
1โฃ: #gaming and #voice-chat should be placed into the voice channel category.
2โฃ: #gaming should be placed into the voice channel category
3โฃ: #voice-chat should be placed into the voice channel category
4โฃ: No more changes should be made
sand bramble
#voice-chat is already in the voice channel category. ๐ค
peak holly
it wasn't when we started discussing this :P
edgy atlas
That's because Botto is quick. ^^
sand bramble
Well now we have to move it out and move it back in. ๐
fathom fulcrum
Thank you for changing it. This is very good.
peak holly
if you don't mind dealing with my pickiness, I'd still argue for the learning channels being on top. I don't feel like a poll would be a good metre of judgment considering the amount of users that are not interested in learning channels, or are only secondarily interested in them (native speakers, for example).
Let's also consider all the lurkers that benefit from the learning channels without participating even in polls. I think the original mission of the server should have priority over public opinion here.
gloomy lance
just to make it clear: it was a poll within the mod-team
edgy atlas
^
peak holly
well, all the more reason then, in my opinion
old meadow
oh look there's me
gloomy lance
snow pine
BASE HAS WHITE THEME AS WELL.
fathom fulcrum
๐
sand bramble
Eh, the learning channels are used less, so I personally like having the generals on top.
peak holly
I don't think a personal choice should influence the whole server :P
gloomy lance
he speaks for the whole mod team with that though
peak holly
it's not a big deal so I won't argue further ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sand bramble
I mean, I technically wasn't speaking for the whole mod team, hence the personally. I simply expressed my opinion and I'd dislike having less active channels on top.
gloomy lance
i was trying to refer to the poll we did in the team
sorry for not making that clear enough
gritty geyser
If channels in the Learning category become more active, we'll consider rearranging them again
sand bramble
Ah my bad.
steep crystal
is there something where we can tag our own native language to our profile or does everyone just do whatever?
old meadow
There's no way of having your native language as a role, but I think that's actually a good topic, I'm also interested. I believe they don't make that possible because the server is, mainly, a platform to learn german and help others on that, no matter what your native language is, and not a platform to exchange language knowledge
pine temple
I'd would like to be able to get some sort of a role that indicates that I want to be corrected. I know I make a lot of mistakes that people maybe don't mention because they think it might be rude, but if I'm not corrected I'll just get used to saying it incorrectly. Arrem didn't get it :p
sand bramble
That one we call Learning German.
peak holly
not necessarily suggesting to do it, but I'm curious if it's possible and if people would find it useful:
I was wondering if it would be possible to give all inactive users a Lurker role that would make them appear below active users (those without the Lurker role) in the member list to the right.
It could work like this:
- new users are given the Lurker role by default. Users who don't write anything or join voicechat for two weeks are given the Lurker role.
- if a user joins a voice channel or write something, the Lurker role is removed.
Thoughts?
austere trout
gritty geyser
Question, why would separating active users from those who never said anything/are inactive be useful? What benefits would others have from it
peak holly
it would make the member list more orderly and it would help 1. finding people to contact if one needs people of particular levels/natives, 2. finding specific people (say you recently talked with someone but don't remember their name or they have an untypable one), 3. have a general idea of how many active people there are, 4. have a general idea of how many and which natives are active.
In general I would like it because it would make everything more orderly. Personal preference (hence why I only proposed this in a very light way) but I wonder how many share my same feeling.
crude bloom
What you are suggesting would make it unorderly. Let's say a native speaker is active, an A,B,C member also. Four different colours will appear on the member list, because active people are seperated. This would also mean that the whole ''seperating roles'' function would be a mess.
peak holly
no, active members would appear with their regular roles. At the bottom of the list, a Lurker role would be shown wherein everyone would retain their own role colour. Just like now there is an "online" group where every non-native retains their role colour
the difference being that the current layout makes it pretty much impossible to find a user that isn't a native. My solution would make it easier to find people of any group because, usually, if you're looking for someone it's probably going to be someone who is active on the server
if not, you're probably friend with that someone and would therefore not look for them here
solemn quartz
gloomy lance
what have i done...
snow pine
solemn quartz
you have done god's work nemoses
bringing the bonnie leid o the kinrick o alba to the server
peak holly
Oi 'ave a questien: what's heaviur, a kilogramme o' steel, or a kilogramme o' fethers?
gloomy lance
ok guys, who of you broke brzrkr? ๐
sand bramble
BUT STEELS EVIYER THAN FEDDERS
primal pond
DeepL integration with botto pl0x
primal pond
Can we have something like stargazing for resources, or a tag that anyone can include in their message when posting a link or a plain text message in #resources about something that can help people learn, that way we can easily search for all the resources that aren't in the list with discord's search feature
edgy atlas
We have a curated list of resources pinned in #resources. ๐
primal pond
I know but there are a lot of things that aren't in that list
for exmaple someone talked about the tiny cards app, that message will probably get buried after a few days so not everyone will be able to see it, if we had a tag that everyone used we could easily search all the messages like that
fathom fulcrum
The whole resources channel is basically just for resources. That's why it exists.
So a new tag/channel would be almost identical.
primal pond
we dont have to create a new channel
we just have to tell everyone that when they post a link to a site or app that can help in learning they should put "$resource" in their message so when we use the search we can use that "$resource" to filter all the messages
edgy atlas
Or you search through #resources. ๐ค
primal pond
well not every message posted in that channel is about a resource
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, it's a complicated process to try to enforce when the channel is mostly resources as is. Plus it's a really slow channel. If you read it once or twice a month for 2 minutes, you will see everything.
primal pond
I don't think new members will scroll through old messages and in the long run it'll be even more helpful to have a tag or something like that
sand bramble
I've been a busy lad lately with uni starting, but we'll add everything that was posted soonish. Tomorrow afternoon, hopefully.
primal pond
Well with something like that it'll be easier for you guys to make a curated list because you won't have to scroll through hundreds of messages to look for things worth posting in the list and when you guys get busy in the future and are unable to update the list for a while people will still be able to look for things easily
sand bramble
Eh. The problem is that people are terribly inconsistent. Many wouldn't bother doing it, wouldn't use the same format/term, which would then make searching even harder.
primal pond
Can we have :thonk: please?
gloomy lance
we don't have a lot of free places for emojis left, so i don't think that is going to happen.
verbal shale
:thonk:
sand bramble
If you convince the discord devs to bump the limit up to 100, we can add it. ๐
peak holly
It's not like there aren't a bunch of emoji we never use
gritty geyser
sand bramble
There aren't actually. Many of them get used at least from time to time.
pliant parcel
I don't know if it was mentioned already but what about some kind of 'the word/phrase of the day/week' and/or possible chat groups in apps like whatsapp, kik etc. (better to use an app without disclosing ur number)
Also weekly/monthly assignments would be a great thing maybe seperated into two or three different difficults. Tho ofc this would be a lot of work in first place
gritty geyser
- some kind of 'the word/phrase of the day/week' Interesting idea
- and/or possible chat groups in apps like whatsapp, kik etc. (better to use an app without disclosing ur number) Discord has an app
- weekly/monthly assignments We used to post assignments in #writing but no one really did them
sand bramble
We still post assignments every now and then, but yeah, there's not much interest.
pliant parcel
Another suggestion country flags for user ๐
gritty geyser
What do you mean by that?
primal pond
I think he meant roles
peak holly
It's been suggested before. It wouldn't be that useful. You can always set a note for each user whenever you learn about their nationality
sand bramble
Can confirm. Works perfectly. https://i.imgur.com/4KowkgO.png
snow pine
ooooh god :^)
sand bramble
snow pine
gOd is it for me
primal pond
Who are you again?
steady monolith
dont delete 
and
gritty geyser
ok
steady monolith
i need them to feel happy
sand bramble
Suggestion accepted.
peak holly
I never quite understood 
since ๐ exists and everybody uses the latter ๐
gloomy lance
me too tbh
gritty geyser
I made that one back in the days when we still had enough emoji slots
We could delete it
sand bramble
Meh, we can worry about that when we actually run out of slots. ๐
peak holly
If you convince the discord devs to bump the limit up to 100, we can add it. ๐
- El Arremo
gloomy lance
Partner servers have an increased emoji limit afaik, but the rules on how to become a partner server are a bit arbitrary.
gritty geyser
The blob server was run by the gf of one of the devs. That's why they had an increased emoji limit
People kept complaining because the server was private and now everything's back to normal since the limit was reduced to 50
peak holly
Lol nepotism
sand bramble
We have to ask the real questions here. Are there any female discord devs that we can date to get sweet privileges.
gritty geyser
Mallory, I guess
primal pond
She was also moderating the skincare discord server i was in
mental leaf
@sand bramble asking the important questions here
wanton elk
We need a NSFW Channel.
snow pine
Oh my god I was sure Seska was going to say that. She will be the leader of this channel.
wanton elk
ofc
sand bramble
We had a NSFW channel? ๐ค
peak holly
:0 when
gloomy lance
when we made #general-2 NSFW and berzi held an AMA?
gloomy lance
oh by far
primal pond
you guys trying to spoil the children?
gloomy lance
not enough by far, i mean
gloomy lance
too many lewds make the child
gusty parcel
We should have a meme channel
gloomy lance
it's called German Learning and Discussion
peak holly
Mememan Meaming and Memecussion
wanton elk
http://prntscr.com/h2d017 @gusty parcel
gusty parcel
Okay
manic hound
With so many people from Texas it's getting to the point where we might need a Texan role lmao
gilded swan
Something like that got already discussed before. Having a Texas role there will be others who also want their nationality tagged and that would go against focusing on only German for this server and not having other tags because it's a German learning server and therefore might be better to stick with only German to avoid confusion.
primal pond
I think riot's been planing on taking over this server
manic hound
Yeah the Texan role was mostly a joke xD
steady monolith
we also need a vienna role then 
๐ฆ๐น xD
sand bramble
V I E N N A โค
heady gyro
make a spam channel, ty
edgy atlas
No. You're welcome.
gloomy lance
@heady gyro
gritty geyser
#stargazing should be renamed to "memes about Flopps"
sand bramble
Accepted. There's no need to hide it.
gloomy lance
now we need Flรถpstars
snow pine
fathom fulcrum
Floop is our star and we gaze in abject perturbation.
steady monolith
what about a george rr martin emoji
peak holly
no pls
mossy gulch
lmao
Yes
If tolkien is included
George rr martin and jrr tolkien in one emoji so we can finally have some peace
steady monolith
Perfect ^^
gritty geyser
Don't shitpost here, thanks
mossy gulch
Was that shitposting? I was making a srs suggestion, even though it may sounded as not
My bad if that was shitposting
gritty geyser
Oh no, that wasn't directed at you
My bad, we had a shitpost here which got removed
winged mica
@mossy gulch hahahah yeah It sounds funny and nonseriious. But i know you were too serious suggesting that. Ahhahahaha is a serious funny suggestion ๐
steady monolith
wheres my georgy emoji?
gaunt coyote
how about a channel for finding practice partners?
especially for when wanting to practice something niche, or when looking for people who have things in common with them (since one should only post once in the introductions channel, whereas such a channel would not be hindered by the clutter of occassional repostings when looking for new people again or looking to practice other things)
I am aware it is a niche suggestion since it would mostly rather just benefit B level people and onwards
gritty geyser
interesting idea
gaunt coyote
ty
peak holly
especially since the idea of practice partners as a role has apparently failed ๐ค
still, I wish Discord had a way to show a sticky message to the top so that various instructions could be shown to the users. Pinned messages are nowhere near as visible as they should be, and many channels on this server would benefit from it :<
gritty geyser
agreed
gaunt coyote
only every once in a while do I find some people in introductions who actually mention their hobbies and they happen to match mine and then I talk with them until we run out of topics and we sort of stop talking, and posting about looking for practice partners in other channels just gets very quickly lost in a sea of clutter
and I guess with some even A2 level people or such looking to practice something very specific that some B level people still have problems with themselves, it would not necessarily be a too rarely used channel
gritty geyser
sand bramble
Berzi. Think of a nice channel topic. Go. ๐
peak holly
I have a half-idea on how this could be regulated, considering the absence of proper pinning for posts.
The channel is supposed to be used to find people with shared interests (either hobbies or learning objectives), right?
gritty geyser
^ channel description
sand bramble
Aye. I guess.
peak holly
so provided there is enough willingness from the mods to curate this, it could be made so the first post is a modpost with the explanation and rules, and everybody that's interested posts his own interests afterwards. If they find someone, they're encouraged to delete the post, and the mods will also delete off-topic posts and posts which are too old, so that the content can always be on-topic and brief enough to easily find the explanatory modpost
obviously all the "meeting" has to be done privately by contacting the person who posted
does this sound reasonable?
gritty geyser
yup
sand bramble
@gaunt coyote Thoughts?
peak holly
then you just need to wrap up what I just wrote into a nice-looking modpost. SO I don't have to write anything more myself :D
sand bramble
Dammit Berzi what are we paying you for. ๐ฆ
peak holly
wait. Where have you been sending the payments? I've not gotten any of them! Fiddlesticks!
gaunt coyote
alright, cool, I guess looking for people in general outside of German skills makes it a more useful channel so it actually stays alive, ty for implementing
But one thing that Iยดd prefer is if it was not so much a channel that got cluttered up by discussions because then peopleยดs posts regarding what they are looking for would get lost
so it rather stayed as like a way to start PMs rather than for actual chats to take place there
sand bramble
The checks have all been sent to
Airbnb apartment with loud neighbors, Dortmund```The channel will be heavily moderated by us
gritty geyser
Hello everyone, this channel is meant for people who want to find study partners or generally other members to talk to. Please keep discussions in here to a minimum and only post relevant information related to finding others
Should we add anything else?
peak holly
hold on, I'll make a more complete version, if I may
gritty geyser
sure thing
sand bramble
That was our plan all along.
peak holly
Hello everyone, this channel is meant for people who want to find study partners or people to talk to.
To keep all information relevant, we ask that you only post your learning objectives and interests so that you can be contacted by others with similar goals.
Please converse with each other in private and delete your post if you're no longer interested or you've already found a partner.
something like that
gritty geyser
steals and posts it
edgy atlas
Botto, wait!
peak holly
I added some paragraphs for legibility
edgy atlas
Remove the double space between converse and with first, you silly meme.
twilit crown
peak holly
oh gott how did I miss that
peak holly
but still, I'm ashamed that I didn't notice myself typing that space in the first place
peak holly
also, something like "This channel allows you to find partners for learning. It's heavily moderated, so please read the rules!" could be the topic description
edgy atlas
Should I cancel that dinner reservation, then?
sand bramble
Depends. Is the dinner in Vienna?
edgy atlas
Of course.
snow pine
no
peak holly
silly botto didn't retain the paragraphs :<
sand bramble
Then no. Everyone should have dinner in Vienna.
edgy atlas
He copied your text directly, which removes formatting. We shall now scold him for it.
Nevermind, he just ruined it.
peak holly
also lol arrem "see suggestions about how and why", as if people are gonna find the discussion we had here. It's already way up
sand bramble
Well I'm gonna delete that in like 5 minutes.
People were just asking what it was so I left that there.
edgy atlas
@peak holly I asked him to fix it, and he has. ^^
peak holly
:D
gritty geyser
sand bramble
Sure.
"Heyo lovely learners. We've decided to make a channel to help you find study partners more easily - #376386781513252865. You can go there and post about your interests, or see the interests of others and maybe find someone cool to talk to! ๐
To make sure that it's easy to find partners, we'd like to ask you two things. Firstly, delete your messages if you no longer have interest in a certain topic, to keep the chanel nice and clean. And also keep conversation out of this channel. If someone's description piques your interests, you can either message them privately or talk to them in one of the other channels. Have fun! <3"
Good enough @gaunt coyote?
gilded swan
Someone in charge shoukd change the announcement message or the title of the new channel so that it becomes clear that it's just a billboard and not a chatting platform
tight hill
Try to keep conversations out of this channel.
it's also pinned in the new channel so I'm not sure where the problem is ๐
gilded swan
Is it possible to let people only write in there once every 30 minutes or so?
if not then ... never mind ^^'
sand bramble
Eh it would be messy and would lead to false positives. We'll clean the conversations manually though. Might let them stay there for a day just so the other person has a chance to see them and then we'll delete them.
scenic wharf
this reminds me i am lonely
peak holly
go broadcast a distress signal in #376386781513252865 then ๐
stray tide
Wir sollen ein Karaokezimmer haben ๐
mossy gulch
Also mentioned that one time. There only is nobody to organize it
tidal fog
was รผber eine Deutsche Kultur Kanal fรผr Deutsche Musik, Essen, Politik, etc
compact jewel
Ich finde, dass die farben von "Level A" und "Native German" ein wenig zu รคhnlich sind.
Wรผrde warscheinlich Level A, B C einen Farbton geben und dann verschiedene Abstufungen dieser Farbe verwenden.
gloomy lance
da kรถnnte man genauso sagen, dass sich dann Farben zu รคhnlich seien
Bei den Tag-Namen ist das immer schwierig, weil jeder Mensch eine andere Farbwahrnehmung hat. Deswegen sehe ich es nicht als nรถtig an, das Farbsystem komplett zu รคndern, weil man damit genauso viele Probleme schafft wie beseitigt ^^
edgy atlas
A wird rot, wir werden grรผn.
steep crystal
a calendar for people to write their own birthdays (if they want to ofc) and the link to it be pinned somewhere or a bot doing every week or month who has birthdays on which days of that week/ month idk this could be a really dumb idea but what dyall think
edgy atlas
I like it. I'll ask the others. ^^
peak holly
the idea could be expanded to the bot publicly sending an happy birthday when the user first writes during that day (restricted to less "business" channels, aka those in the General discussion category)
lapis nymph
This is not really a suggestion but points are very important:
The reputation bot doesn't seem to work for all channels/users. I got quite a few in the practice channel, for example: message ID 382961389230227461, but my reputation still stands at 0.
gritty geyser
lmao are they really
lapis nymph
yeh man, I can't go another day without them.
gritty geyser
not sure why it didnt count them
I'll just give them to you manually
eval
mem = guild.get_member(300969717701541889)
return await db.update_reputation(mem, reputation=4)
<User id=300969717701541889 warned=False reasons='None' nicknames='None'>
there you go
lapis nymph
yay much love
steep crystal
Hey @edgy atlas did you ask about the calendar?
edgy atlas
I did.
steep crystal
Aand?
edgy atlas
We never reached a decision. I've brought it up again, though. Hopefully I'll have more success this time around. ^^
edgy atlas
@steep crystal Have a look at the pinned message in #general-2. ๐
steep crystal
:D
rose bolt
Just an idea (not 100% sure if there is implenentation), but for me my number one struggle in German is the vocab itself so what about a channel that's like "the word/vocab of the day" or something making it to where people are able to learn some words that could help in our German Vocabulary
gritty geyser
Sounds interesting
mental leaf
Was reading up on College Info Geek, and saw this tip to talk about 5 minutes when you learn the language with a certain topic http://www.ratespeeches.com/t=Speech-Topics
that's a random topic generator, but it gets you going to think in a different language, instead of just following the regular "general" talk
wanton elk
Wir brauchen den Channel "vor-der-Tรผr".
tight hill
Kรถnnten Sie ihren Vorschlag etwas erlรคutern bitte?
edgy atlas
Wir benรถtigen den Channel namens Vor-Der-Tรผr.
wanton elk
Wenn jemand einen schlechten Witz macht, kann man ihn vor die Tรผr schicken
sand bramble
IOW #nemo-and-korea
wanton elk
And Laurenz
patent minnow
Kleine Idee: man kรถnnte die Sprachkanรคle nach oben ziehen, so dass man sie erste sieht. Das kรถnnte vielleicht auswirken, dass die Leute sich ermutigt fรผhlen, ihre Sprachfรคhigkeiten zu รผben.
mossy gulch
Because emojis can be animated now I suggest replacing one of the enton(g) emojis with an animated enton(g)
Or do it for one of the wave emojis
edgy atlas
We don't have to replace one of the enton(g) emojis, as the slots for standard and animated emojis are separate.
sand bramble
Note: Animated emoji can only be used by Nitro users, which is lame and probably means we won't be getting much.
mossy gulch
Wow
gritty geyser
I'm biased but can you blame discord for finding ways to support them financially? Discord as it stands is already better than Skype, TeamSpeak and the like. Imo, giving animated emotes to nitro users is justified
peak holly
Oh I'm not really complaining, it's nothing serious unless they start restricting actual features
sand bramble
Meh. Imo it shouldn't have been a server feature then. Or it should have been restricted to servers with nitro owners. Telling everyone "hey look you get 50 more emoji slots and you can upload them but pls gib money if you actually want to use them" is a shitty move.
peak holly
Hmm yeah perhaps the implementation is not the best one
But the nitro owners thing would have been worse imo
The best idea would have probably been to make them personal and allow users to "collect" emoji they liked when they see them used
gritty geyser
This is where intellectual property comes into play
Discord can't just allow you to "collect"/steal emoji without having them tied to a server
sand bramble
Well anything that hides it from the people who can't use it. Because the changelog just said hey look animated emoji, and then the server settings say hey look more slots. And only then do you read the actual "lol nitro only" disclaimer. Which is a bit of a letdown to an average user and something you'd usually want to avoid.
gritty geyser
I wouldn't have separated the emote slots into animated and static. That way non-nitro users would've had a compromise
peak holly
But then some servers would have chosen animated emoji over regular ones and penalise non nitro
The fairest implementation would be to have regular emoji have augmented, animated versions only nitro can use, but then there'd be less freedom in what emoji to add, and it would be hard to implement
edgy atlas
Or you give each server 5 slots for animated emoji that everyone can use, while Nitro users can use up to 50 of their own wherever they want.
gritty geyser
To be fair, I don't see a proper way of implementing this in general. Right now, non-nitro users will always be at a disadvantage, regardless of what you do
peak holly
As for the intellectual property thing, all is done through the discord software, so they might implement something like right click emoji to request collection, then author gets a notification and he can accept or decline. But that would generate further conundrums
It's obvious that non nitro would be at a disadvantage, but as long as it's not crippling (eg. Only nitro can use sever emoji, or non nitro can only join x servers, or other shite that's never gonna happen) I'm ok with it
What I dislike is the fact that nitro get higher quality calls. Which is justifiable with the cost of infrastructure, but if not for that, I would be against it
gritty geyser
They only get higher quality screenshare options
peak holly
still it's a non-cosmetic advantage
spring oak
I just think the price is... well phew. 50โฌ/year is much money
peak holly
it's like 4โฌ a month, not much for a working adult
peak holly
Should we have a role for the deutsche Gebรคrdensprache? Something that would appear on the member list so people interested in it can find each other
gloomy lance
I didn't know we had members able to converse in it :o
peak holly
I'm learning it
and if there are others, I figured we could group all of them together to create some cohesion and visibility
gloomy lance
ah nice, i've been looking into it too and was actually thinking about creating a subreddit for it or something ^^
peak holly
I'm not even finding it that hard, but it's not easy to find comprehensive resources for it. All online dictionaries I could find ask for money to be used <.<
peak holly
so, is the suggestion being discussed or do we not have enough interested members? :<
gritty geyser
I doubt we're going to discuss your suggestion right away as it's Christmas Eve right now 
peak holly
right, I meant it as "it's not being forgotten already, is it" not as in "do it right away REEEEEEE"
gritty geyser
We should have a #drawing channel ๐
snow pine
YEEEES.
sand bramble
Suggestion denied. Instead, we make a #flopmath channel and ban Flops from all the other channels.
snow pine
๐ฆ
gritty geyser
Maybe #floplearning ?
lucid ledge
Series Saturdays ft. German Dubs
gritty geyser
as long as its not the office
lucid ledge
when do we ban you finally
gritty geyser
You should have a channel for German memes?
fiery zodiac
modest shuttle
That would be cool
gritty geyser
mossy gulch
Make the bot respond to $$<anyequation>$$
So I dont have to do >latex \text{<blahblahblah>} <equation>
gritty geyser
I officially suggest to create "doge-emojis", because I belive in equality between cats and dogs.... I see a clear overrepresentation of cats at the moment, and I feel like the system has failed dogs, which is an insult to the best friend of mankind ๐ถ
sand bramble
And as a dog owner?
edgy atlas
Ooh, he's got you there.
nimble steppe
I have an idea, a suggestion more like, can we have more colors of language levels? For example,
Pink for B1
Purple for B2
Light blue would be C1
Dark blue as C2
hm?
neat terrace
klingt gut
fiery gulch
Even A1 and A2
lucid ledge
personally think the c's should be the pretty colours like pink n purple
gives you something to work towards yknow
peak holly
This was refused many times because people already have a hard time figuring out if they're A, B or C. Having additional levels would aggravate the problem and also not be very useful
modest shuttle
I agree with berzi
sour oasis
Gonna throw this one our there
Since many learn German in order to study at a German uni, why not have a channel dedicated for questions about higher education in Germany
everything that has to do with DSH,TestDAF,bewerbungen,ablauf des Studiums
gritty geyser
Oh that does sound interesting
sour oasis
etc
gritty geyser
so something like #uni
sour oasis
yea I guess
gritty geyser
We'll think about it
nimble steppe
I agree, asking random people in #general isnโt always pleasing for the other person : (
peak holly
I'd call it something more comprehensive than uni, since tests or other non-uni courses are, well, not uni
nimble steppe
#education ?
peak holly
#studium ๐ค
peak holly
but it sounds so boring .-.
sour oasis
@dusky ginkgo would be the boss of that channel
peak holly
๐ฅ
gritty geyser
#studying ?
peak holly
meh, education would be clearer at this point
but imo studium could pass despite being german, because it would imply that it's about german (or DACH) education specifically
gritty geyser
how general should we keep the new channel. should it solely be about education/studium/uni related questions
peak holly
anything pertaining to DACH education imo
how does Bafรถg work to how do kindergartens work etc
sand bramble
By "general" we mean if general questions about life, work or whatever in DACH countries should be allowed. So uh yeah. Wotever you guys like.
sour oasis
Thanks โค
sand bramble
(Please tell us your opinion about the question above.)
peak holly
If it's not about dach education it would be out of place in #archived-culture-study-visa
Daily life in relation to uni students or things like that are ok though
That's my opinion
fathom fulcrum
I think things like career options or moving to the country should fit too since it's all going to blend together a bit anyway.
Whereas overall cultural questions might not be as fitting.
peak holly
Perhaps. But then why call it education.
Ach egal, it's not like strict rules would be worth to enforce
sand bramble
If it's not about dach education it would be out of place in #archived-culture-study-visa
That's why we're asking how general we should keep it. It doesn't really have to remain #archived-culture-study-visa if you guys feel like other topics would be appropriate as well.
Personally I pretty much agree with Base. Like we're mostly young people and 80% with the intention of moving to Dach probably also want to study there, but I still feel like it might be a bit of a niche channel. Then again we could also wait a bit and see how people use it. Idk.
peak holly
Hmm then perhaps rename it to something like #lifeingermany and make it relevant to that.
The only problem being that lifeindach doesn't sound nearly as good and it's also not necessarily understandable by all at first glance, but Germany in the name is pretty non-comprehensive
peak holly
Life in german? Sounds like cheating
gritty geyser
:^)
fathom fulcrum
peak holly
Eh, that kind of highlights education, which as I understand isn't the goal anymore
fathom fulcrum
Oh, it isn't?
peak holly
We're trying to repurpose it for general life in dach
gritty geyser
Actually, we'd just like to know how general we should keep it
As in, should we also let people talk about going to uni in the USA, for example
#archived-culture-study-visa does have the potential of becoming a niche channel so turning it into life in Germany is also an option
fathom fulcrum
In that case, I would say not, since the original purpose is asking questions about university in Germany. Sort of like a #questions but for education in German instead of German language. Anything not-DACH-related probably doesn't make sense to put there.
To make it not exclusive to education though makes sense.
tight hill
#leben-in-dach
gritty geyser
#leben-unterm-dach
tight hill
#how2survive-in-dach
Ok I'll stop now :(
But I would prefer a German channel name for once :P
sand bramble
omg pls #leben-unterm-dach
tight hill
If you explain the joke everytime someone doesn't understand it
lucid ledge
i don't get it
edgy atlas
@sand bramble Your input is requested. ^
peak holly
anyway I agree with base above on how general it should be
@lucid ledge Dach means roof, but DACH is also an acronym used to refer to Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH) as the main germanophone countries
so leben unterm dach = life under the roof or life under DACH
unterm = unter + dem (colloquially)
lucid ledge
still dont get it tbh
gritty geyser
You meme
lucid ledge
was ๐
trim stump
Could be education and culture
sullen crest
A channel similar to #german-only but every message has to be explained in English. For beginners ofcourse
peak holly
that would be a bit too much work for each user, so much so that it probably wouldn't see much use at all. You should probably just pick a message from #german-only and ask about it in #questions (preferably while trying your best to dissect it first, rather than ask others to do all the work for you)
sullen crest
Alright, thanks @peak holly
gritty geyser
Banned
edgy atlas
It will live on in memory.
trim stump
Instead of writing intros let people write things in a specific format only, e.g:
My interests
Gaming, classical music, cooking etc
**Study partner requirements (or something like that) **
A native speaker with similar interests or a someone who's B2 etc
gritty geyser
Do you think #376386781513252865 worked?
trim stump
I don't think it did, I do think that its a nice idea and we should keep the channel, maybe bring back the study partner role and make the channel accessible only to those who have the role
also rename the channel because "meeting" is a little misleading
fathom fulcrum
But study partner and meeting are unrelated in their intended functions.
gritty geyser
The problem was that no one knew that studdybuddy role existed
And it was quite useless too
fathom fulcrum
I wanted to use it but it only existed while I was in my uni semester. ๐
So I didn't have time for German.
neat pagoda
I tried once or twice finding someone and they were like roughly 'sorry I want someone better than you to talk with' 
gloomy lance
they are still searching because they cannot find anyone ๐
gritty geyser
Yeah, all learners actually look for natives or at least for C1\C2.
gaunt coyote
I suggested #376386781513252865 long ago myself because people in #introductions kept just saying things like "hi I'm new, I'm 18 and I like languages", no common topics mentioned to message people about. If you consider merging the two, then just get rid of #introductions because it does not serve a purpose for randomuser#1309 to just say hi (they can do that in #general if they really want).
Furthermore, I would suggest there being a different colour for B1 and B2 people, because me as a B2 person having messaged people from #376386781513252865 with a purple name colour only to find out that they make several conjugation, verb past, word order after "weil" etc., gender, etc. mistakes in every single sentence, makes me think "okay I have nothing to learn from this person and I can only get worse / it will just get onto my nerves if I keep being exposed to tons of mistakes".
The nuance between B1 and B2 is a lot more important than the nuance between A1/A2 and C1/C2 to warrant a different colour to differentiate B users.
fathom fulcrum
I like #introductions better because it's good to be able to refer to the information a new user has posted for themselves rather than them needing to introduce themselves to everyone individually (they are not just random people, after all; there are people from many countries with different interests, and many do stay around in the server for a significant time period).
People more often than not do actually mention interests or other things about themselves, and conversations do start because of a user's introduction post. It's also an easy way for people to take the first step in communicating with the server.
Aside from that, it makes more sense to me to meet people and get to know them one-on-one by communicating in the server itself, in #general or wherever else. After all, this server is generally intended to be a group community for many people to learn German together, rather than simply a place to meet someone to privately DM with. I think it's better to make the group aspect a greater focus, rather than the one-on-one DM potential.
peak holly
I agree with Base.
If the two are exclusive, I prefer #introductions for its less utilitaristic, more personal scope. If #376386781513252865 isn't working or is being taken for a clone of the former, the fault probably lies in the way the idea is executed.
Perhaps we don't need a place to declare ourintentions but, for example, a bot that collects willing participants and connects them with each other
sand bramble
a bot that collects willing participants and connects them with each other
Have fun making that. ๐
gaunt coyote
Different strokes for different folks - I for one couldn't care less about the group aspect and have been struggling to find people to talk with one on one without them losing interest to keep on talking after 1-2 convos, therefore requiring to find new and new people over time.
peak holly
then mute the channel(s) you're not interested in. It doesn't mean something should be removed because you don't care for it .-.
gritty geyser
`>Furthermore, I would suggest there being a different colour for B1 and B2 people, because me as a B2 person having messaged people from #meeting with a purple name colour only to find out that they make several conjugation, verb past, word order after "weil" etc., gender, etc. mistakes in every single sentence, makes me think "okay I have nothing to learn from this person and I can only get worse / it will just get onto my nerves if I keep being exposed to tons of mistakes".
The nuance between B1 and B2 is a lot more important than the nuance between A1/A2 and C1/C2 to warrant a different colour to differentiate B users.`
This was discussed like million times.
fathom fulcrum
Mmm, I understand if your goal is different. That's no problem. But I guess my point is... there are tons of other places you can go to meet people one-on-one to share a language. There's heaps of websites, apps, message-boards, etc. But it's not really, as far as I know, the focus on this specific server which we're on now.
gritty geyser
I have to agree with Base and Berzi. #376386781513252865 was meant as an experiment to figure out if having a place to encourage 1 on 1 conversations would work out. However, it did not and that's why we are currently thinking about what to do next
gaunt coyote
I have been trying to exhaust every option I can and I'm not getting enough results - also other smaller German discords have been dying because this one exists, so I'm trying to do what I can to achieve my goals by making suggestions to this one.
gritty geyser
If you are in general quite often, you always can find a mate to talk to.
As for additional roles in order to distinguish differences in CEFR levels, we're not too keen on doing that because of the aforementioned reasons. I'll probably explain this further once I'm home and then pin it here to avoid discussions like these in the future. We're always open for suggestions, sometimes there's no need to continue having duplicate channels, however
peak holly
if it's ever to be done though, B1 and B2 are probably the ones to split, even if A and C remain unchanged
neat pagoda
I'm not sure if the meeting system is any useful all in all as far as I'm concerned, except for people that might be too shy to speak on the server
sour oasis
#376386781513252865 and #introductions should be merged, #introductions being the one which stays.
carmine mulch
Pls add music channels with bot> fredboat
edgy atlas
You're cool, and we need you here.
sour oasis
love you too casca
lucid ledge
dammit lady we've got no time to spare
these criminals are getting further and further from us by the minute
peak holly
joke's on them: if they run too far they'll actually start running towards us
edgy atlas
Lady?
sour oasis
Why do we have the DiscordServers bot ?
sand bramble
What bot?
edgy atlas
Yeah, I don't see a bot.
sour oasis
lol
I'll take a screenshot when it's up again
the tatsumaki bot isn't there as well
edgy atlas
That won't happen. โค
gritty geyser
Tatsu only has read/write access to certain channels and will therefore not show up as online in every channel you visit
snow flume
What about a Small Roleplay? It Would Be nice because you would use Parts of the Language that you are Learning.
snow pine
I like it tbh
peak holly
if started and regulated well enough it would prompt some users to write in german when they wouldn't otherwise do it
lucid ledge
the word roleplay on discord automatically triggers my fight or flight response
peak holly
then fight. Come on, roll for initiative ๐ฒ
snow flume
@peak holly
Capitalisation is my Biggest problem in German and English
Soo. Here is my Suggestion Again:
What about a Small Roleplay? It Would Be nice because you would use Parts of the Language that you are Learning.
What about a small roleplay? It would be nice because you would use parts of the language you are learning.
:)
snow flume
My idea
edgy atlas
She corrected you, is all.
wanton elk
Flappy's just Being Nice
snow pine
awww seski <3
honest steeple
snow flume
We need a Mett Emoji
gloomy lance
Nein.
snow flume
Schade
carmine mulch
Where are the brazilian emoji memes? :(
gritty geyser
Well, certainly not here
lucid ledge
polandball emotes when?
edgy atlas
Never.
carmine mulch
Add vin diesel meme
edgy atlas
Get Nitro and add it yourself.
sand bramble
Lithuaniaball emoji. When?
Also can we have a meme channel and a nsfw channel?
Maybe split up roles into A1, A2 etc.
gloomy lance
I think we should change the order of the channels too, i don't like it the way it is. Nothing specific, i just don't like it.
peak holly
pls add this specific meme i like kthxbye
sand bramble
Okay hear me out. We take #general-2 and we move it above #general.
fathom fulcrum
Delete server.
wanton elk
Delete arrem
carmine mulch
:eyeslol:
wanton elk
Pink role named seska + nsfw channel when?
tacit relic
Seriously wouldn't be better if German level roles after A devided as B1, B2, C1, C2? ๐
gritty geyser
RIP musik
scarlet zephyr
More merkel emoji?
rocky nebula
Voice chats for n number of people. voice chats with a limit of 2, 3, 5 and 10 people
edgy atlas
The bot is designed with moderation in mind, not music.
We're not adding Merkel emoji.
What would limits accomplish?
fathom fulcrum
A good way to get voice chats with limits: make your own private chats and VC with selected people there.
sand bramble
Small note, we're currently testing out a group feature which will make more focused voice chats possible.
peak holly
:0
sinful zealot
ban @sinful zealot
edgy atlas
No, Thi. :(
sinful zealot
Casca :^(
nimble steppe
I have an idea, extra voice channels?
As in, Unterricht 2. Practice Room 2 etc.
Sometimes people tend to get shy / be less likely to comfortably do the practice/Reading. This way the those people can get to a less crowded channel and study/practice with other people without having to stay in another voice channel dedicated for another purpose
gritty geyser
I've never seen a situation when all vc channels were crowded.
nimble steppe
No not like that, say there are 10 people in a Practice Room, few of them could want to practice with less people so they wonโt have to go to โCasualโ or โNur Deutschโ
gritty geyser
I mean there is always a free channel where they can go to ๐คท
nimble steppe
Meh, maybe youโre right, I was thinking too formal
fathom fulcrum
If it does end up being a problem, it's probably the best solution to just add another Casual. But idk if it's a problem yet.
peak holly
it could make sense to add a channel specifically targeted to shy people, with a limit of 4 users
like Shy Room ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
something that tells shy people that that's a place for them
peak holly
and it has to be flops
lucid ledge
I already have that
sinful zealot
but not as role
lucid ledge
you dont know that
sinful zealot
I DON'T SEE IT THOUGH send me a screenshot as proof
lucid ledge
wanton elk
mossy gulch
I'm for an extra casual tbh
Sometimes I want to talk about general thimgs but there are already people talking in casual and I don't wanna disrupt them
gritty geyser
gritty geyser
Right now Im still considering who's gonna get access to the group creation command
In theory, yes
mossy gulch
Oh I see
trim stump
Imagine 10 shy people in the shy vc too shy to say something
Also, can we make @trim stump admin?
edgy atlas
We can, but won't.
trim stump
Ban fuxxer and seska pls, ty
Also how is this group feature different than the reading role?
gritty geyser
What about "ban everyone who calls me Fuxxer"???
peak holly
Fucchser
wanton elk
Fuckser
gritty geyser
@trim stump there is no reading role to begin with so we can't answer your question
gritty geyser
Nope, we did not
trim stump
So is this group feature going to create a vc temporarily and then delete it after the session is over?
gritty geyser
Yes
thorny mason
Got a suggestion! How about something to do with translating? Like weekly translating circles where everyone works together to translate a text/song/video clip into/out of German? Or perhaps a channel for wannabe translators?
trim stump
Thats what people do in a reading session, choose a text and then people read it and translate it
Using songs and videos too would be nice
gritty geyser
We also have weekly writing session but it's B2+.
sinful zealot
Adding this ๐ to @fathom fulcrum 's name
nimble steppe
Suggestion:
Brazilian counter!!
gloomy lance
ok, you're the counter, eyes ๐
nimble steppe
mossy gulch
We should have a speed-dating channel for the last few hours of valentine
For the people with no valentine
gritty geyser
Nah
lucid ledge
@gritty geyser be my Valentine
gritty geyser
Okay
lucid ledge
๐๐๐๐๐
gloomy lance
gaaayyyyy
snow pine
gritty geyser
You know you could've told me that in person since youre sitting next to me reading this, right?
lucid ledge
Yeah but you're more enthusiastic about it on here ๐๐๐
You can make it up to me ๐
gritty geyser
๐
edgy atlas
You're two adults, why should we arrange your date? :P
reef fjord
The sun is too hot, its out of the earth's league
peak holly
word has it the moon is frigid
radiant zenith
Oy. Don't touch my name
nimble steppe
Chica with changing peopleโs nicknames
Tell me, what should I rename myself to? XDD
fathom fulcrum
@sinful zealot โค
sinful zealot
Just become ๐
edgy atlas
He'll need Unicode: \๐.
sinful zealot
๐
sand bramble
bannier, which acts just like >ban, but displays the message in German, so it can be safely used in #german-only
Please implement fast @gritty geyser
snow pine
fathom fulcrum
@solemn quartz But coding? ๐ฆ
mossy gulch
https://github.com/vegeta897/d-zone This would be the best thing on the server
gritty geyser
I dont think so
Discord doesn't really like it when you spread messages everywhere
sinful zealot
getrole Level B
gritty geyser
please stop
sinful zealot
Aw sorry :(
gritty geyser
it wont assign cefr roles for natives
sinful zealot
Aw ๐ข
gritty geyser
could you create a read only channel with a word of the day but also being extra and posting one normal useful word and one fancy word? c:
just to rephrase, a read only channel where we'd post 3 words a day?
With explanations and examples for people to learn a new word?
You could post more than just one word too idk
lost gulch
I like @gritty geyser 's idea, the other language learning discord I am in has it, it's quite useful imo
lapis nymph
While I also like the idea of a "word of the day" type thing, who would write the content for it and/or maintain it?
nocturne yarrow
How about a sports/esports channel so that us nerds dont annoy you regular people?
gritty geyser
Just download an app called "Wort des Tages"
mossy gulch
Is there no api?
gritty geyser
As of right now we're not planning on adding a "Word of the day channel"
trim stump
How about phrase of the day channel
mossy gulch
๐
gritty geyser
Nice meme
ashen zenith
Can we get the bot to post wholesome things from a command similar to dog pics
If it doesn't post dog pics can we get it to do that too
sand bramble
Well the dog/cat pics are pulled from a website that spits out random dog/cat pics. If there's such a site for wholesome memes we could add it but I have my doubts about that.
peak holly
do you really doubt it that much?
sand bramble
Yes. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong though. ๐
(I doubt that such a site exists, not that we can add it if it does, to clarify possible bad wording.)
ashen zenith
I will search
sand bramble
Might be hard for a non technical person to find. Because we need something that gives us image URLs in a really nice and clean way. Like https://random.dog/woof.json
peak holly
that's not how you use likewise
sand bramble
My autocorrect thinks it is. I actually typed like.
peak holly
i dread the day autocorrecting software will be able to speak
ashen zenith
O.o
spring oak
Warum gibt es Stadtflaggen/Wappen etc. aber nicht die badische Flagge?
edgy atlas
Overruled.
spring oak
._. wie wรคrs mit badischer Flagge als ersatz hierfรผr 
๐
tight hill
Abgelehnt ๐
spring oak
oder hierfรผr ๐
gritty geyser
Not that I'm advocating for the random wholesome meme thing, but this is about as close as I can find to anything like that. https://api.imgflip.com/
trim stump
What's the purpose of the second star?
gritty geyser
What second star
trim stump
๐
peak holly
that's not a server emoji. Ask the Unicode consortium I guess ๐
trim stump
but you can use it on messages and they end up in stargazing
trim stump
I see, so it doesnt matter which star you use, if a message is starred 5 or more times star2 appears in #stargazing
gloomy lance
You star something by using the regular โญ๏ธ if a message gets more of those, the icon of the post in stargazing changes, nothing more. ๐ has no impact on actual voting afaik.
gritty geyser
Correct
tight hill
I'd root for a new group (since Botto put a lot of effort into making it) ๐
edgy atlas
^
mossy gulch
A group would be cool ๐
dusky ginkgo
i'd like to apply for session holder then
dusky ginkgo
so we will have a separate nerd session holder and reading session holder?
tight hill
no need to (?)
dusky ginkgo
most session holders are nerds too, right ๐ค
mossy gulch
idk if I should be session holder, the ones who teach me should be session holder ๐ค
But I sometimes teach flaps ๐ค
dusky ginkgo
as long as it's not getting abused, a bit of spread shouldn't be too bad
tight hill
If y'all can't decide on a name I'll do it myself