resources

[misty valve]

Hey Moiisty, I recommend checking out the link in the channel description and seeing if anything there fits your needs.

[carmine moss]

i checked

but there isnt

im looking for a book thats got those 3 things in it

[hollow sinew]

particularly?

I mean, in general they are more focused into one thing at a time, I guess?

[misty valve]

It might help to explain a bit more about what you want. Like, which German level, for example. What kind of grammar you want, and what you mean by numbers.

[carmine moss]

oh ok

im new

to german

[hollow sinew]

You could give Duolingo a start, if you're a complete beginner

[carmine moss]

i use memrise

[hollow sinew]

But as a side thing, don't use it mainly

Memrise can also work, people here have been using Duolingo for quite a while and they seem to have liked it when they were beginners

[carmine moss]

is there a book that i can get though? one with vocabulary, counting and grammar for beginners?

[unkempt sinew]

What do you mean with "vocabulary"?

[carmine moss]

like learning words

because with memrise im just learning random words

[unkempt sinew]

Yeah sure, but in what way? All books about German include german words.

[misty valve]

Some of the vocabulary lists in the resources list have the vocab organized by category. Maybe that will work?

[carmine moss]

nah none

is there like a single book that has it all?

[unkempt sinew]

I use a book for French that is called Easy French Step-by-Step and it has grammar explanations, excercises and vocabulary lists in every chapter. They have a version for german as well:
https://www.amazon.de/Easy-German-Step-Step/dp/0071840478

I believe @brazen ledge uses it

[carmine moss]

oh thanks

ill buy this then

is there a book for numbers?

[unkempt sinew]

it has a chapter about numbers

[sand marten]

@carmine moss My boyfriend is using a useful book called Starten wir! A1

[carmine moss]

ahhh ok

[sand marten]

it's for absolute beginners even though it's entirely in German: it uses non-linguistic cues to teach you stuff, which I think is very useful to learn how to think in German from the get go

[carmine moss]

thx

@sand marten

@unkempt sinew it doesnt say tho

[carmine moss]

oh well on amazon it doesnt say

[unkempt sinew]

that is from amazon

you can see it in the book preview

[sand marten]

btw the book I mentioned is comprehensive and covers every basic subject including what you mentioned

[surreal timber]

Wdym with “numbers”?

[carmine moss]

ok thx

[umbral sinew]

dyou guys think duolingo is a good place to start german?

[misty valve]

Sure.

[umbral sinew]

👌

[hollow sinew]

But you might wanna use other stuff with it

Just saying

[umbral sinew]

yeah

why i joined this server

[cinder python]

Peepy!

Have you forsaken us? 😭

[umbral sinew]

no

maybe

no

[sly tendon]

@floral adder

[floral adder]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/select-and-speak-text-to/gfjopfpjmkcfgjpogepmdjmcnihfpokn?hl=en

[sly tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/user/GebruederTim

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCge-_APj_5L4E96bXYEYGMw

[primal isle]

wait.. what’s that ^ ?!?

[sly tendon]

kleine Märchen

youtube channels that have short stories read aloud

[candid wasp]

noice

danke

[split pewter]

Today's lesson was awkward https://i.imgur.com/mBW5gvc.png

[indigo junco]

Oh god Duolingo why.

[cinder python]

To be fair, your half brother and half sister may not even be related

[indigo junco]

true

[candid wasp]

deep

[sand marten]

it doesn't say they're married to each other

[candid wasp]

deep

[sand marten]

I'm subscribed to dictionary.com's word of the day, in which they send an email a day with a (usually curious or unusual) English word and explain its meaning and history and general stuff about it. Do you guys know of anything similar for German?

[hollow sinew]

Hello dear German learners, what's your recommended Memrise German wordlist course thingy?

[twin tendon]

For memorizing words? What kinda words?

[hollow sinew]

I’m just looking for something useful to work on in terms of vocabulary

Anything will do ^^

[misty valve]

@hollow sinew 5000 German Words (top 87%)

[hollow sinew]

@misty valve That one is a bit too much words Base, I wanted something that can be accomplished in short-medium time frame
(Surely it's an amazing one, but I'm thinking about finishing a course start to finish)

[sand marten]

I don't know memrise well but if possible you could pick a random subset of those Base suggested. Or just pick a context you reckon you don't have good vocab on (I don't know, food, household items, office and institutions vocab, things like that) and find a list for that

[nimble warren]

I use Mango Languages, Memrise, and Duolingo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/German.pdf

Also this book ^^^

http://www.deutschseite.de/inhalt.html This website has lots of vocab and grammar stuffy stuffs

http://bilinguis.com/book/metamorphosis/de/en/c1/ Die Verwandlung (the metamorphosis) left side is german, right side is in english, its really cool

just thought i'd share what i use to self teach German kthxbai

[brazen ledge]

With Germanpod101 you can sign up for a word a day, unsure how useful it actually is though.

[chrome gyro]

But it isn't cheap enough

[brazen ledge]

I actually just found a free one, if you want it. Offers several languages.

[waxen path]

English Grammar for Students of German: The Study Guide for Those Learning German (O&H Study Guides) (English and German Edition) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0934034435/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_XTpZAbCC0BGSM

I found this book to be very helpful

[brazen ledge]

https://www.transparent.com/word-of-the-day/today/german.html <- Helpful if you want to be emailed a word daily. Works for various languages.

[carmine canopy]

I've only been able to find a good grammar book, so I'm wondering, is there a good integrated textbook for german, so as to learn vocabulary and grammar at a matching pace?

[carmine canopy]

Personally I'd recommend Basic German: A Grammar and Workbook

And use Duolingo with it

also having a dictionary could be useful

[carmine canopy]

"basic german" doesn't seem to focus on vocabulary at all

[pastel horizon]

Begegnungen is the best for self-study sessions

Goes from a1 to c2, it's rather cheap and has free online exercises

It was made for those who do not attend a class

(or people like me who started off from scratch at university and had to get to a B2 in 6 months)

[prisma flax]

@pastel horizon Hello, do you mind posting a pic about how Begegnungen looks (like one of the pages maybe?) here or in DM?

[carmine canopy]

begegnungen looks really great.. but how are you supposed to learn with it considering it's already in german?

[primal isle]

Our English lessons in school too all used to be completely in English pretty much from the start. I don't see the problem. Easy language helps. It also has the advantage of not requiring English proficiency for studying German. I don't know the book but I suppose it might not be for total beginners if it is completely in German, or it is for total beginners and handling the issue like our English classes I mentioned did: Use very simple and elementary language at first. By the way, if the learning material is in German you have the extra benefit of practicing the language just a little bit more. And you learn all the terminology about Grammar in German already, also a loss if youʼd miss that, or you just save the unnecessary extra work of learning two sets of grammar vocabulary.

[carmine canopy]

well, for our English lessons, the books were in the native language for the first two grades, which makes more sense to me

but I will definitely try doing it this way, it might just turn out great, so thanks for taking your time to explain things!

[sand marten]

there's a workbook i've been trying for my boyfriend that is for A1 and completely in German. Trust me it does its job well. Communication is not only achieved through language and to teach a language, you don't need language, you need communication ;)

name of the book/series is Starten wir!, by the way

[carmine canopy]

has anyone here used/bought Fluent U and is it any good?

[carmine canopy]

@carmine canopy i found something that might be of interest to you

https://www.duolingo.com/words

[outer burrow]

How do I suggest a resource to add to the curated list?

[outer burrow]

I'll post it here just in case. It's the German course of Language Transfer, a learning method that aims to teach you the language without memorising anything. Instead you learn to find on your own whatever you may need through thinking logically about the language.
Here's the link to the playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wRGdwf7b_o&list=PLeA5t3dWTWvtU5nXIBbV1F_dy9VIyGDWb

[carmine canopy]

I'll add it to the list

[sharp palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Awhco_VHWE i found this to be a good, all-around video on modal particles, with examples that show them being used in regular, everyday speech

[surreal timber]

Maybe this can help someone out,~~ I’ll format this into an Imgur album when I get home~~
https://imgur.com/a/tiU9u

[prisma flax]

was ist der Titel des Buches?

[surreal timber]

Aspekte B1+

[prisma flax]

ok danke

[tiny cipher]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/e972d60678f5a4e2bee12f6ae8a2fad9/tumblr_np2y6vVyGp1tkb1hco1_1280.jpg

[marble cargo]

how do you manage to memorise this kind of stuff?

[misty valve]

Best way is to break it up into small pieces and learn one piece at a time.

For prepositions, you'll likely find it easiest to learn them by topic. Like "prepositions for going to places", "prepositions for time", "prepositions for transport", etc.

[sand marten]

well, the human mind doesn't memorise in tables so it's only natural that those look overwhelming

tables are not for memorising, and not even for studying. They're for visualising and reviewing

[misty valve]

For the cases of the prepositions, you will just learn them pretty naturally with time and examples, because they will "sound right/wrong". Or you can just memorize a handful of example sentences, that's easy enough.

[wooden nymph]

I think prepositions are best to learn in conjunction with the verbs @marble cargo

zum Beispiel "ich habe Angst vor"

[sand marten]

that's a good idea, although learning the general use is a higher priority

that is, learn what vor, mit, gegen and whatnot mean on their own, in general, but also be aware that individual verbs may use them unpredictably

[wooden nymph]

yeah, I'd just sit down and learn them all off by heart like you would learn any vocabulary if you're a complete beginner honestly

[median niche]

in school I learned the prepositions when I learned dativ and akkusati

v

[carmine canopy]

Hi, I'm learning German vocabulary through Anki, does anyone here know where I can get audio files of single words such as this one:

3-4 second audio files which contain the pronunciation

[misty valve]

@carmine canopy forvo.com has those types of files and I think you can download them if you want. It's a pronunciation dictionary with recordings of people pronouncing words.

[carmine canopy]

Thank you kind sir!(ES:Oblivion reference was intentional)

[sour glacier]

Hallo

Can someone name german bands with easy-understandable lyrics? I'm just A1

[brazen ledge]

@sour glacier A lot of music changes up how words are pronounced, like in English , so it isn't best to learn conversational German from them. I suggest a podcast, or maybe a slow reading of a book!

[sour glacier]

Hmm

Recomend a book?

[brazen ledge]

Have you done any spoken German at all?

Like, do you know the alphabet?

[raven escarp]

I teach English for a living, unraveling mangled pronunciation after teachers taught classes entire songs as a substitute for proper phonetics drives me mad.

[brazen ledge]

Yes.

As a native speaker it sound very weird.

[raven escarp]

unless its sung by the Hoff, then its sounds like the tender whispers of the gods. Am I right?

[brazen ledge]

HAHA, yes yes.

[raven escarp]

lol.

[swift wigeon]

honestly it depends on singers

[brazen ledge]

Yeahh, but even then you don't know what is right or wrong because you're a learner.

[pure bolt]

@sour glacier AnnenMayKantereit

I can understand every single one of their lyrics, no matter what they sing

also a lovely band

[sour glacier]

Danke 😃

[pure bolt]

immer gerne

[alpine gust]

https://www.schubert-verlag.de/aufgaben/uebungen_b1/b1_kap8_praeteritum.htm

[carmine canopy]

Look at this cutie

[indigo junco]

Yeeah I used that when I was A

[unkempt sinew]

Flopso doesn''t use prepositions anymore

She's Level B now

[indigo junco]

Well it really helped me to learn them

[sand marten]

so that you could avoid using them

see also: genitive case

[carmine canopy]

[merry isle]

Ohh, wie süß 😊😃

[deep magnet]

Does anyone know a good book that’s like a German dictionary for vocabulary but also shows all the conjugations? And maybe a book that teaches sentence structuring? Wenn jemand weiß, lass es mich wissen. Dankeschön 😃

[merry isle]

Wiktionary has tables showing all the conjugated forms of words. Pretty useful

if you mean a physical book, then I'm afraid I'd be simply too much

[sand marten]

you are not likely to find a book with all that, since the overwhelming majority of that data would be redundant. What you could find is a dictionary with conjugation and perhaps declension tables that would be general; that is, they'd occur once to illustrate the rules and maybe some exceptions, but you will never find a book that had declension or conjugation tables for every single word.

[misty valve]

There are verb conjugation dictionaries.

[merry isle]

They're very long tho and show only the most common verbs

[sand marten]

furthermore, the job of providing a reference for words and that of teaching the general grammatical rules are separate. It would be hard to find a single package that would do both

[copper bough]

@deep magnet Not a book, but i found this site really useful http://konjugator.reverso.net/konjugation-deutsch-verb-mogen.html

[deep magnet]

Thanks for all the recommendations guys! 😃 And yeah I’m looking for physical books so I can highlight and take notes. And thanks @merry isle @copper bough I’ll check them out! Vielen Dank Leute! 👍🏼

[brittle creek]

Do you know where I can watch german series such as dark with subtitles? (Ik Netflix buuut)

[prisma flax]

heard it was a blatant copy of stranger things

[carmine canopy]

I'm trying to learn the german IPA, is there a resource that shows what the tongue of the native speakers do when they speak?

with descriptions as well

[pure bolt]

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

I especially find the diagrams in which there is a sagittal section of the mouth useful

[sand marten]

although it doesn't have diagrams, wikipedia describes everything quite precisely in the pages for individual phonemes, and it has a page for language-specific ipa

[carmine canopy]

I'll get back to you when I'm home

[wooden nymph]

does anyone have a good vocabulary list for intermediate-advanced students?

[carmine canopy]

https://www.memrise.com/course/88171/intermediate-german-vocabulary-3/

this is pretty good

[dusk dome]

:information_source: @carmine canopy, one of your messages got quoted in #botchannel!

[primal isle]

sorry for the ping

[radiant patrol]

Hi has anyone got any like cartoons in german with eng subs?

[sand marten]

i don't think germany is very active in the area of cartoons, unless you don't mind children programmes

[mossy bobcat]

@sand marten define no active. just search on youtube for "kika serien" . there should be tons of german kid's shows.

[sand marten]

unless you don't mind children programmes

[radiant patrol]

Ah alright is there no like teen titan dubs anyone knows like cartoon network type of stuff

[carmine canopy]

we do have teen titans, danny phantom, etc as German dubs

[wooden nymph]

pokemon in german is in the resources list

I have avatar legend of aang on dvd and there's german dub option there

idk about eng subs for either of those though @radiant patrol

[late anvil]

Hello, does anyone know where I might find a good list of common verbs + prepositions + case? (for example, denken + an + akkusative). From what I understand, it's straight memorization, but I've had a hard time finding a good list. Perhaps I just don't know what to search for.

[open girder]

http://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_verb_prep_idioms.htm

[late anvil]

Du bist mein Held.

[misty valve]

Here are some short lists http://www.deutschseite.de/vokabeln/verb_plus_praeposition/theorie_verb_plus_praeposition.pdf and https://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Praepositionen/Prepositional_Verbs.html

[late anvil]

Du auch. Danke

[cinder python]

@open girder Did you ever get anywhere with the list you were making?

[open girder]

I compiled a decent amount but I kinda forgot about it to be honest. I can post it when I get home, if anyone is interested. It's a list of verbs with prepositional verbs whose prepositions are two-way.

[late anvil]

These resources are great @open girder and @cinder python . Thank you again

[open girder]

@sand marten yo dude, remember how you asked about a Word of the Day equivalent to Dictionary.com? The Android/IOS app Oxford German dictionary offers that but it doesn't seem as detailed nor allows you to get it as an email

[sand marten]

interesting. I don't use my phone that much which is why I was looking for an email thing, but this can still be useful. Ty

[marble cargo]

for anyone else having difficulty with prepositions here is a fun little song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUW9wy5aFlc

[sullen horizon]

@marble cargo looks like the chicken dance ❤ 🐤

hands shoulders knees and toes

[carmine canopy]

Where can I get the phonetics of german words?

The one with the IPA symbols

wiktionary doesn't have all the words, for example the word I'm looking for right now is "unvorsichtig"

[sand marten]

https://en.pons.com/translate?q=unvorsichtig&l=deen&in=&lf=de

[marble cargo]

Ich habe gerade tatoeba (https://tatoeba.org/eng) entdeckt. Diese seite enthält viele Sätze auf wunderschön Deutsch, und lässt mann besuchen aus Englisch (und andere Sprachen).

[nova bay]

@marble cargo Eine wunderschöne Webseite, danke, dass du sie mit uns geteilt hast. Hier gibt es noch eine ähnliche Webseite: https://www.foboko.com/satz-worterbuch/

[gilded flax]

Question question

Do we have a resource for swearing

[carmine canopy]

nope, you may add one if you'd like

[open girder]

@gilded flax https://www.thoughtco.com/german-words-to-avoid-special-slang-4071486

[gilded flax]

Yay I can insult my friends in a foreign language now

[open girder]

@cinder python Still not done with this.

I decided to go with all prepositions

I will do some analysis on them later

[cinder python]

@open girder Nice, thanks!

[open girder]

educational: https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/43826/is-the-word-schwein-necessarily-an-insult

[eager cape]

Hahaha, poor man was probably scared the whole time!

[green pagoda]

Here's some practice Goethe Exams for A1, B1 and C1 level (CEFL)

[sour glacier]

Danke!

[wooden nymph]

Can I recommend something to add to the pinned resources file?http://www.daserste.de/# this website is super useful for listening and a lot of the shows have subtitles in German

also can anyone recommend me german youtube channels that you like?

[carmine canopy]

added, thanks

[wooden nymph]

bitte 😃

[carmine canopy]

Danke schon @eager cape

[eager cape]

Gern geschehen! 😄

[halcyon wave]

this AKK and Dativ pic is very useful

[eager cape]

My old teacher suggested remembering the akkusativ prepositions by the acronym FUDGO(B was missing). Helps sometimes I guess, haha. Luckily we have dativ und akkusativ in my native language.

[swift wigeon]

I don't find myself saying "bis" with a noun right next to it very often 🤔

[sand marten]

bis Morgen 🙄

[swift wigeon]

that's "bis morgen"

note the capitalisation 😉

[carmine canopy]

bis Montag

[swift wigeon]

i stand corrected ❤

[nova bay]

@swift wigeon u better (take a) sit 😄

[eager cape]

@nova bay Does your username mean Sunday?

[nova bay]

@eager cape nein, es bedeutet Sonntag 😄

[eager cape]

@nova bay slatko 😊

[orchid jolt]

Could you point some great resources to better understand the German grammar?

[sand marten]

I think there's already enough in that respect in the resources list (pinned messages)

[sour glacier]

Maybe someone have Menschen A1.2? Danke 😃

pdf

[sullen horizon]

P: i need help with

• accusative / dative prepositions

and 2way

[indigo junco]

@sullen horizon

[eager cape]

@sullen horizon The verbs you use are important as well. For example, you use dative when something/someone remains stable. "Maria ist im (in dem) Bad."

But when you are talking about changing position, state, motion, you use accusative, "Maria geht ins (in das) Bad."

This is just the basic stuff.

I like this image.

[candid flame]

I remember a while back someone said they wanted some book that had complete conjugation tables of German verbs

[sullen horizon]

thank you @eager cape !!!

looks like a good book @candid flame

[viscid quartz]

Could someone please fix the link to download basic german in the pinned message?

Here's the file:

[deep magnet]

I’ve been practicing german syntax for the past few days and still nothing explains clearly why certain words are in certain places or why sometimes there’s a extra added word. Does anyone know a good website that actually explains most syntax/word order rules for all different kinds of sentences? Vielen Dank 😃👍🏼

[viscid quartz]

@deep magnet You can try the book I just posted, it contains all elementary syntax.

[deep magnet]

@viscid quartz Dankeschön Mann!

[viscid quartz]

If you want a reference grammar, this is a good website http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Grammatik.html

No exercises, but the explanations are good and it has many examples

[deep magnet]

This book helps a lot with grammar and structuring sentences. Nouns, verbs with all conjugations, etc. And a lot more 👍🏼

[nocturne bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3IImGiiY1Q

Turn on German subtitles if you decide to watch it.

[sinful ledge]

https://conjd.cactus2000.de/ Stumbled upon this incredible website, enjoy!

[hushed basin]

Are the second ones the past tense?

[eager cape]

It's the past participle. You can use them in perfect, passive...

[hushed basin]

Thanks

[eager cape]

Np!

[marble cargo]

if anyone's interested here is a quite useful video re: akku.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgmVwPjTtM4

[golden trench]

The first resource in the pinned message seems to be not working

It's an incorrect link?

[sudden forum]

Seems like the website that hosted the pdf is down

[golden trench]

i just googled and found this link

wow discord you have no markdown?

[sand marten]

not for urls :P

considering there's no status bar to display where the urls point to, it's better this way for now

[carmine canopy]

Can anyone please recommend me any TV shows / films that are A1-2? My listening comprehension is aaaawful 😩 😂 I'd even be ok with watching some children's TV hahah vielen Dank!

[sand marten]

if you're into trash, there's extr@, I guess

it's pretty stupid but it's easy to understand

[carmine canopy]

@sand marten ah ya I've watched all of extr@, wasn't great 😂 I think I'm looking for something not aimed at learners now :p

[sand marten]

then I don't think you're going to find anything A1-2 since material that level is by definition made for learners :P

I think deutsche welle has some graded audio stuff

[carmine canopy]

I was thinking kid's tv? They must be around A1-2 Or, I guess I'm not looking for a whole TV show that's speaking level A1-2, but is good enough for someone A1-2. I.e, lots of casual conversations, easy to understand topics, shows that repeat a lot etc

If that makes sense :~p

[misty valve]

If you like any particular show or movie in English, you will usually be able to find a German dubbed version pretty easily.

[carmine canopy]

Ya true, thanks. I'm not the biggest fan of dubbed stuff though, it's always so awkward to watch imo 😂 Do you know of anything that is dubbed really well that you recommend? 😃

[misty valve]

German dubs are often pretty good.

And anything animated is easy to dub so maybe look at that in particular.

Here is a pretty good beginner option and one of the easiest to find on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdgPKUDKSE4

Disney movies are also a good option.

[carmine canopy]

Ah thanks! That's a good idea. I didn't think of Disney films either, thank you vm 😃

[swift wigeon]

oh dear i had forgotten how horrible peppa pig's design is lel 😂

[misty valve]

The sentences are pretty good though. 👍

[viscid quartz]

Hello folks, here's a few online courses from Open University that will begin soon and might be helpful. From what I could gather, you can still watch all lectures in the free version, so it should be useful also for those who can't afford the subscription fee. 😃
https://www.futurelearn.com/search?q=german at work

[golden trench]

What is a good free place to get started? I tried the link in the pinned messages but it seems to be down

[carmine canopy]

the link is not broken, friend

[golden trench]

It does not work for me

[carmine canopy]

here's an alternate version: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LwmGt7B6qLF1FLChiKUCO7PRLUIKLbd8_gwOyVIEzv8/edit#heading=h.kkewppowlpkl

[golden trench]

Not that

The resource in that doc

The first one

'beginner german'

[carmine canopy]

I'll look into it, thanks

ive corrected the first link accordingly

[golden trench]

Thanks!

[languid comet]

I'm loving this!
www.dw.com/harry

[nocturne bramble]

https://www.deepl.com/translator#en/de/%3A I'm shoving a pin needle up my dick hole

[magic mortar]

Hey, anyone know a offline german dictionary like canoo.net?

like this: http://www.canoo.net/services/Controller?dispatch=inflection&input=laufen&features=(Cat+V)

[sand marten]

i use dict.cc on my phone

it works offline

[magic mortar]

Do you know if it works on windows?

[sand marten]

on pc they probably don't have anything but their website

at this point I pretty much rely on the internet one way or another so I can't recommend any offline dictionary unfortunately ^^

perhaps there's something on the windows store or whatever

[magic mortar]

Perhaps, thanks anyways

[sand marten]

iirc they offer some practice material and recommendations on their website

plus mock exams

[magic mortar]

Anyone have a list of strong-verb-conjugations?

[carmine canopy]

Hat jemand eine Liste von Wendungen, die ich benutzen kann?

[heavy horizon]

Wendungen? Meinst du sowas wie "useful phrases"

[carmine canopy]

Ja genau, die ich für eine Aufgabe benutzen kann, denn ich habe morgens Test auf Deutsch ^_^

[heavy horizon]

Wofür im speziellen? Es gibt natürlich sehr viele verschiedene Phrasen für die verschiedensten Dinge.

[vapid knoll]

Good German movie?

[surreal timber]

Comedy? Fack ju Göhte

[surreal timber]

STOp

IT"S A GOOD MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[earnest copper]

lingueebis goo

lingueebis good

the website

it helps for german

lingueebis good*

linguee is good*

[carmine canopy]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R8fRtyjoIQJjPcLtv96vwLkmeU8ftu-znoiNNM60VRg/edit#gid=1190634042

[carmine canopy]

https://bs.to/serie/Die-Simpsons/6/1-Ein-grausiger-Verdacht/OpenLoad

[shrewd cedar]

https://www.memrise.com/course/58866/5000-words-sorted-by-frequency-strict-typing/

[heavy horizon]

@humble patrol this channel has a curated list of resources, that you can use. memrise and Duolingo are pretty popular programs to start of with

[humble patrol]

Oh thank you

[polar ridge]

I find Duolingo a good way to keep up

[carmine canopy]

Just going to post https://www.englisch-hilfen.de here because it is in my opinion almost equally as useful for people learning German as it is for Germans learning English. There are lots of vocabulary lists which you can learn from regardless of which language you're learning from https://www.englisch-hilfen.de/words_list/vokabeln.htm

[safe creek]

Guys, is that Harry stuff they got on the deutsche welle site good?

[warped osprey]

I'm looking for content that I can listen to for 8 hours a day while working. any podcast or audiobook recommendations?

[south heart]

Er ist wieder da narrated by Christoph Maria Herbst

[carmine canopy]

What would be a good resource to learn German from scratch, starting from the alphabet and their pronounciation?

Okay, I will just check with the FAQ again

[misty valve]

For alphabet and pronunciation, pretty much any YouTube tutorial video about it should be good. Just check out any of the ones which are popular/recommended.

And that might provide you a good start overall.

[carmine canopy]

@misty valve
Yes, that was exactly what I've resorted to. Thanks for the help

[next nebula]

Hello, does anyone know a website where i could download free books? I am looking for this books

[lunar cove]

Looking for something to finish A1, any textbook that's self learning

I am not ina hurry, i just wanna finish A1 ina year

[carmine canopy]

there's a link with resources pinned

[lunar cove]

all of the textbooks in the faw seem to be german only

like it's in german and needs a teacher 😦

are these all free?

[carmine canopy]

yes

[lunar cove]

tty

https://www.schubert-verlag.de/aufgaben/internetaufgaben/a1_internetaufgaben.htm

see this is all german and i can't understand shit 😦

[dense robin]

@lunar cove what about memrise + duolingo + babbel that's how I got like two years ago a B1 cert in gothe

ofc couple years back and since then I haven't used it

[lunar cove]

babbel?

what's that

you think I can finish A1 in a year with memrise + duolingo?

and that babbel thing idk

[dense robin]

you can get it for free

you just have to confirm your email

and then refer yourself using a temporal mail

[sand marten]

tbh i think duolingo would slow you down for too little benefit

if any

[dense robin]

and confirm that mail

[lunar cove]

I just wanna finish A1 in one year

maybe finish A2 partly

thanks for the advice then

I'll try memrise, duolingo on the side

and that babbel thing

can you gus explain why duolingo would slow people down?

[dense robin]

you can do it

A1 is pretty basic

[sand marten]

because it basically just throws random sentences at you until you learn how to give the little game what it wants. There's no guarantee of learning anything, and even if you do learn it from there you have no guarantee your brain will be able to generalise the information for practical purposes. And even if all that goes right, it would have taken you longer to achieve than with different methods

[dense robin]

perhaps in a month you could reach it

[sand marten]

but yes for a1 it can help

but I have doubts that duolingo could help you even for something like a1->a2

[dense robin]

yeah I mean duolingo won't get you far when it comes to teaching you words

or even grammar

but I think it could help you reinforce what you already know

[sand marten]

or even anything xD

[dense robin]

xD well I learned english with

like back when it started

[sand marten]

it has a market because it gamifies everything so you think there is actuall progress. The twist is that what you're progressing with has nothing but the flavour of language learning. Also they advertise false things and i'll never get over their bullshit in that regard

[dense robin]

or perhaps I was exposed way too much to it

[merry isle]

I disagree, I learned basics of German with Duolingo. Went pretty well, but ofc that wasn't the only method I was using.

[sand marten]

maybe in the beginning it was useful for something but now it's just a milking machine for people who don't know better or don't want to put in the effort to read a book

[dense robin]

brzrkr

[sand marten]

as I said, the basics are fine

[dense robin]

which books do you recommend to learn german?

[merry isle]

I was reading texts in prallel to Duolingo, I didn't feel it slowing me down

[sand marten]

let's see, for very basic levels there's Starten wir!, it probably has higher levels too but the A1 book is the oen my bf is using and it's pretty good i reckon

[dense robin]

LOOOL

[sand marten]

especially because the exercises don't rely on you knowing or using another language

[dense robin]

I have that book at home

[sand marten]

aha xD

[dense robin]

what about for B levels?

@sand marten which books do kids read?

[sand marten]

well i'm not sure because my method was a bit weird and definitely not very efficient or enjoyable for non-linguistics nerds

but i suppose if you like the first starten wir then you could try the next level ones

[dense robin]

can you recommend me some?

[sand marten]

hmm there's a series of books called Greg's Tagebuch or something, but that's for "young teens" I'd say so a bit too hard for complete beginners i'd say

[south heart]

I have a recommendation which I will admit is not perfect.

[dense robin]

what do you advise me to read?

[south heart]

It is not just a kid's book, it is the classic among them

Almost every german child knows Struwwelpeter, a collection of short tales aimed at making children drop bad habits.

It's infamous for being quite brutal for a children's book and is a great piece of german culture

However, it is a bit old timey

words might crop up that aren't that much in use today

and since it rhymes, it sometimes uses strange sentence structure

[dense robin]

I will give it a try!

[south heart]

But I highly recommend that you read it at some point

the pdf is freely available, so check it out, and if its to hard for you, come back another time

It is such a classic that many figures of speech actually originate from it

so alone for the cultural value i recommend it

But yeah im sorry if its too difficult, i cant really say

the only comparison i have is that i (B1) was made to read an easier version of Don Quixote in spanish

[dense robin]

don quixote is quite boring @south heart

at least to me, I was forced to read it when I was younger

[lunar cove]

I am still not sure

Are you guys confident memrise + duolingo + babbel will be enough for A1? and how much should I study daily?

any special memrise course?

wanna finish A1 in a year but It wouldn't hurt to put more effort to get into A2 terrotiry

[south heart]

i think for A1, it should be enough

[sand marten]

if you can give about 2 hours daily you'd make great progress. From a good textbook you can do it even with just about 1 hr a day. But A1 in a year is a pretty safe expectation so you'll be way ahead if you can keep it up and upgrade your study method as you progress

i.e. introducing more practice the more you learn and study ever less generic grammar concept and more and more details

[misty valve]

I think it's reasonable to even reach for B1 or B2 if you're going to spend a year on it.

[sand marten]

Base

C1 when

[lunar cove]

B1 in a year?

[misty valve]

Yeah, absolutely.

If you're studying properly.

You can realistically get to around B1 in 3-6 months.

Because everything level A and early B is mostly just learning basic grammar, you don't need all the time and practice which makes higher levels difficult.

I mean, you still need to put in daily time and practice, of course. But it's very simple and straightforward stuff.

[cinder python]

Depends how terrible you are at learning vocabulary

[misty valve]

True, vocab is rough. 😄

[lunar cove]

I am doing the maximum for babbel without pro,

• 3 memrise sessions daily

and ~10 duolingo practise daily

would that be enough?

I might start listening to some music and study some books on the side

but I am not sure if I will be able to do anything

[misty valve]

Learning apps won't be enough to move your level up. Basically, apps are good for revision, but your actual learning should be through a text book or tutorial or by discussing grammar with people or similar.

And try to write and talk in German as much as possible. Post stuff in #writing and ask tons of questions in #questions

In other words, books/writing/conversation should be the main learning with the apps on the side. Not the other way around.

[lunar cove]

What are some good basic tutorials? german with jenny sound good?

lul

most textbooks appear to have german only and I have no tutor

I am self teaching lol

[misty valve]

I believe so, but have never watched video tutorials myself.

Ah, that's fine though.

I am also self-taught. I joined this server barely able to say hello in German and I'm now B2 after a year, even with having to focus on uni instead of German.

[lunar cove]

what

how much did you study daily?

[misty valve]

One sec, I'll reply in another channel so as not to spam #resources too much.

[lunar cove]

right

which channel

[open girder]

My notes about the best voice, the passive voice, may be of use: https://germanlearningresources.blogspot.com/2018/03/passive-voice.html

[nova bay]

@open girder Was soll das, du hast dich umbenannt 😱

[open girder]

Ich bin ein neues Pferd!!!

[nova bay]

Für diejenigen, die einen Überblick über Zeitformen gern hätten.

@open girder Und ob du ein neues bist!

[wet badger]

Hallo! Quick query. Does Germany offer a similar thing to H1B visas offered in United States?

[open girder]

@wet badger you're better off asking that in #archived-culture-study-visa

[sand marten]

oi, I'm looking for podcasts in German if anyone knows good ones.
Any theme, but no stuff specific for learners (unless it's targeted to upper level ones, if there even are any like that), and preferably with a couple hosts interacting with each other or even just one, but who doesn't just read from a script.

For example I tried SWR2 Wissen but it's so cold and "journalistic", with basically no interhuman interaction or conversation, just stating of facts and interviews intertwined with noisy, pointless sound effects and background recordings that make it a hard listen.
For inspiration: in English I'm a fan of the Dollop and Dan Carlin or I also listen to "Stuff you missed in history class".

I made some quick internet searches but the few interesting things I found had broken links and whatnot. Either I can't search for shit or Germany doesn't have much of a passion for podcasts :\

[grim fox]

Have you tried Eine Stunde History?

[sand marten]

no 🤔

[grim fox]

try, it's rather interesting IMO
not sure if exactly what you are looking for, but

it's free in, uh....what are you using for it?
site is https://www.deutschlandfunknova.de/eine-stunde-history

[sand marten]

they don't seem to have rss

but thanks I'll give em a listen soon

[carmine canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCu90oW85K4&feature=youtu.be

der Iglingorismus+er
das Tumchenmamentumlein+nis
die Heitungkeiteischaftionietätik+ur+e

[carmine canopy]

also ge- is das

ie. das Geschenke, das Geschäft

[stoic token]

not always

die Gewalt

der Gedanke

and so on

[carmine canopy]

es gibt ein gute Wörtebuch für iPhone?

[remote garden]

schau mal nach leo oder leo.org .. ich weiß aber leider nicht obs das auch für iphone gibt

[carmine canopy]

danke schön

[sacred jewel]

dict.cc @carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

Gut, danke. Ich habe das.

[carmine canopy]

Es gibt ein buch für A1 lesen?

nur lesen

Buch *

[vestal junco]

Can someone suggest me some Tipps or books to improve speaking skills ? (Deutsch)

[carmine canopy]

https://goo.gl/M906K8

[severe yacht]

http://lingq.com

one of my favorite language learning systems to import any material you want.

I read pretty much all of the articles I see in the internet

also, if you want learn vocabulary real fast, use this software

[vestal junco]

@severe yacht Thank you bro !!!!!!

[queen mortar]

Are there any books someone could recommend that is similar to Human Japanese (i.e. gives lots of cultural and historical insight to learning German)?

[slow flume]

hes right

[carmine canopy]

to all whom learning German
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GM125PGMpf7zNoXI17f6kI4FYfkVaRhF/view?usp=sharing

[grave drift]

Is there any good german spotify podcast for beginners?

[cerulean coyote]

Spotify podcast or music? If I want music I usually just google 'Deutsch Pop' or 'Deutsch Metal' and i'll get the genre with German songs but I've been of spotify being podcast til now.

[carmine canopy]

https://youtu.be/ClJUVsjoDM8

This channel

[grave drift]

Thanks

[exotic fossil]

@grave drift Just started learning German here. I found this German radio app called Deutsches Radio FM: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allaboutradio.deutscheradio It has a bunch of live radio stations from all over Germany. Good way to listen music, news, and other stuff while doing something else. Been using it for a few days and it's really neat.

Personally, I like the station Deustchlandfunk (Wittenberge - 89.5 FM). Lots of talking and calm music.

The app even tells you the name of the artist and song it is currently playing.

[carmine canopy]

Jesus german radio plays the exact same shit music as Australian radio

[south heart]

Yup, afaik we dont have a minimum share of "national" Songs like the french

Some radio stations like Ö1 are really different though

[swift wigeon]

oh yeah that was weird for me

while in germany, the radio kept playing english songs and i was like "isn't this germany?"

especially since i listen to like tons of german language music

[sand marten]

You guys underestimate how much English music is listened to abroad

It's probably the most listened to, in many cases more than music in the local language (would be interesting to confirm this with actual data)

[cerulean coyote]

English music is usually edit more I think due to the industry being more popular in America? I might be wrong though

[tardy ingot]

There is a website called radiogarden and you can find radio stations across the world

However, German radio and French radio is always music in English

[urban valve]

I'm looking for something similar to a translation practice sheet where there are passages in both German and English. I want to be able to check the validity of my translations because I tend to make many mistakes as a beginner. Any ideas where I might find something like this?

[turbid pivot]

oh hai people

[sand marten]

@urban valve something like linguee? I don't know of anything more specific. But if I may ask, why are you interested in translation practice if you're a beginner?

[urban valve]

The texts in linguee is out of my league for now. I found this though so it's alright. http://deutschdrang.com/dir/reading-comprehension/

I think translating de<>eng helps me fully internalize the grammar rules with the bonus of helping new vocab stick. To me it's more fun than just following some course or textbook. It also happens to be how I learned English so I want to stick to my tested methods lol

[nimble pasture]

Hey everyone I have a reddit thread going for ebook requests I have 43k so you'd like any just message me or see if they're already in the thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/8wmaxn/43000_books_in_german_and_original_german_books/

[carmine canopy]

Impressive

[sand marten]

@nimble pasture do share the link if/when you make a mega folder with all of them ^^

[hushed silo]

why mega of all things though

google drive is much nicer imo

or just a torrent

[carmine canopy]

google drive is capped to 15gb for most of us

he has roughly 35 gigs of books though

[hushed silo]

hm, idk how it works but the grammar pile is also about thay size and on google

(30 gigs of grammar books)

[nimble pasture]

Which grammar books?

I'd like to get them

And I'll upload them slowly for some reason my upload speed collapses when I try and upload then all lol

[hushed silo]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vN_VBIeBH5f-aCt4FFo24Wx5xXwGzWM6

here you go

there’s some german in there too, and some grammars of other languages written in german as well

(german would be indo-european → germanic)

there’s even a swiss german grammar, though the variety of it that is described in this book clearly follows some different rules from my speech, many of the things marked as “ungrammatical” seem perfectly fine to me

[potent cosmos]

How many books are there in the entire thing? 123 under Germanic alone...

[hushed silo]

idk how many there are but it’s about 33GB I think

[remote garden]

thank you, there was also something for me in there.
if that drive stays up and public all the time, the link should be pinned to the channel

[hushed silo]

it’s been public for years and rehosted quickly when it went down

[sand marten]

yeah pls pin

[hushed silo]

But then let’s make it a better formatted message

Grammar Pile 3.0: Grammar books for various languages: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vN_VBIeBH5f-aCt4FFo24Wx5xXwGzWM6

here, that’s for pinnin’

[keen temple]

Super nice

[potent cosmos]

Yay

[sleek holly]

pinning
We have a resource list for foks sake.

[carmine canopy]

I updated the resources

[flint epoch]

I made an Instagram to hold myself accountable with my learning

@bq.deutsch

Any following would be appreciated. It will help me stay focused

[high oar]

has anyone got easy german resources they wouldnt mind sharing?

[misty valve]

Have you checked out the pinned list? What kind of resources are you looking for specifically?

[high oar]

the youtube channel 'easy german'

they have worksheets and stuff, but atm i can't pay for it since ive got to pay for school stuff first

[cerulean coyote]

:/ I don't think anybody wants to cheat the channel out of the needed money

You can always just write down the words you don't know while watching, translate them, then put them in a quizlet set and study

[candid wasp]

Yeah exactly, I'd recommend doing that ^

[cerulean coyote]

https://www.seedlang.com/

Ironically, from the makers of Easy German, here is a new app which combines youtube, apps, and speaking into one program. There are detailed grammar instruction and real life stories. Find more here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdpMf-6ohOg

[wild sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKkDjgBOPjWFUZUlX9n11X4w5QctOQQZG german films with english subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKrBwD2EangahBB_k5f7raP2qXO_qhx91 verbotene liebe it looks like some 1990s sitcom

[hushed silo]

Atlas zur deutschen Alltagssprache: http://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de

Many maps of how people actually say things in different regions (grammar, pronunciation, vocabulary). Would be worth adding to the resource list.

[nova bay]

how to see resource list?

Or this is generally speaking the resource list

[hushed silo]

(on mobile it’s above the users list I think)

alternatively

[nova bay]

I got it, thanks, da gibt es leider meine Übersicht der Zeitformen nicht 😥

[hushed silo]

na dann würde ich die mal verlinken :P

[nova bay]

Die wurde schon verlinkt.

Nicht wirklich verlinkt, sondern hier hochgeladen.

Da gab's alle Zeitformen im Aktiv und Passiv, Indikativ, Konjunktiv I und II mit und ohne Modalverb eingeschlossen.

[hushed silo]

ich mein, ich kann dir nicht helfen, weiss nicht wer die Liste kuriert

übrigens, ich hätte den Atlas eher unter Vocabulary als Grammar getan

die meisten Karten sind eher wortschatzbezogen

[nova bay]

💔

[sand marten]

@sleek holly könnte es in die Liste hinzufügen

[carmine canopy]

@hushed silo Arrem und ich sind für die Liste verantwortlich

[nova bay]

@carmine canopy wo ist meine Übersicht der Zeitformen!?! Ich verlange eine Entschädigung!

[summer robin]

eine

[carmine canopy]

Kannst froh sein, dass wir sowas überhaupt machen :^)

[nova bay]

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn ich als Entschädigung zwei Eis bekäme, eins für mich und eins für @summer robin

[summer robin]

hier dann eher ohne Artikel

[nova bay]

@carmine canopy mach es drei Eis, zwei für @summer robin

[sand marten]

damit würde Luna zu fett. Ich nehme gerne ein Eis selbst um das zu vermeiden.

[nova bay]

Nein, dann behalte ich es für mich selber.

[sand marten]

damit würdest denn du zu fett! Ich muss das Eis haben, es gibt keinen anderen Weg (aber ich mache dieses Opfer gerne)

[hushed silo]

you know I just looked at the resources, and the self-grading thing for A1 is amusing. I don’t think an A1 speaker could fill out that list

since it’s all in German, and not exactly dumbed down

[nova bay]

@hushed silo verlangst du etwa auch eine Entschädigung?

@sand marten Wenn du ein Eis haben willst, dann kaufe dir eins 🤣

[cunning grove]

Reading easy German news articles:
https://www.nachrichtenleicht.de

[potent shuttle]

Anyone have any good website links to German comics? Or know where I can download some? It can be anything from translated English comics like X-Men etc. Or German original. Same goes for graphic novels. Danke im Voraus

[rare osprey]

Great webcomic: https://sarahburrini.com/wordpress/

[west obsidian]

Hey guys, I'm appearing for my A1 exam on the 2nd of august

Where can I practice for the exam. I wanted some help in utilizing prepositions and some writing practice. Speaking as well. Können Sie bitte mir Helfen?

[reef pendant]

@west obsidian just take part in the regular goings-on of the server and you'll learn plenty. :) Personally I found this link helpful for prepositions: https://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Praepositionen/Prepositions.html

The website itself is a little old-school, but the information is complete and easy to understand

If you look in the channel description, you'll find loads of resources in a google doc. Working with the "Schenke and Seago - Basic German" may be a good place for you to start, depending on your study strategy. You'll almost certainly need help with correcting your answers at first, and you can do that in #questions and #beginner-german

Willkommen und viel Spaß!

[royal basalt]

https://books.google.ca/books?id=lD6FCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

[carmine canopy]

Hello! Could anybody recommend a PDF book with exercises for B2 with answers?

https://goo.gl/M906K8 has learning material

[carmine canopy]

Kennt jemand ein gutes Lehrbuch für einen englischen Sprecher?

[hushed silo]

there’s a list of resources in the channel description, look around there

personally I’ve always been a fan of what Assimil does but I’ve never actually used it for anything for a long enough time to say how effective it really is; I don’t really know how it compares to other books either cause ofc I never had need for textbooks for german ^^

[radiant needle]

Hallo

Jemand kennt gute deutsche Lehrbücher?

[carmine canopy]

https://mega.nz/#F!oqZAhBCD!Kfvb7oahp2_163O-8iJFSw

Vielleicht kannst du hier etwas finden

@radiant needle

[bold dawn]

does anyone have any good information on the austrian dialect of german?

[hushed silo]

*s

many many dialects in austria

[sand marten]

are there features all of them share?

[hushed silo]

there certainly are features all of them shared at some point in time :P

but idk which ^^

also it’s kinda hard* to separate Austrian from Bavarian

*not really possible

[sand marten]

consider them as a whole then. Is the rolled R a common feature for example, when it comes to pronunciation?

[hushed silo]

pronunciation is really unstable

I’d reckon yes, with the exception of pockets

like I know fora fact there are swiss german dialects with a back r

and even ones with vocalized r after vowels, like in standard german

die wiki-seite ist übrigens extrem detailiert: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairische_Dialekte

[sand marten]

👍

[hushed silo]

like holy shit what

ich hab noch nie so ne detailierte wiki-seite über ne sprache gesehen

ausser Englisch

[sand marten]

14 Paragraphen o.o

[hushed silo]

viel mehr als das :P ein Paragraph ist so was

(grün markiert)

ich hätte die dinger Sektionen oder Kapitel genannt

die ganze Seite scheint auch auf Bairisch übersetzt zu sein

[sand marten]

ok, danke, war unsicher wie sie zu nennen

werden diese südliche Dialekte in Österreich bzw. der Schweiz studiert?

[hushed silo]

vermutlich, ich glaube Wien hat ein recht gutes Linguistik-Programm

aber die besten Linguistik-Schulen im deutschsprachigen Raum sind in Deutschland

[cerulean coyote]

What is that website that shows what people say in each region?

[hushed silo]

http://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/ which is also found in the resource list

http://www.argealp.org/atlas/data/generationen.html this one’s also fun but prolly not what you’re looking for (focuses particularly on dialects in the alps)

[full geyser]

glassbow added German to its translations of classics 😋
www.glassbow.com

oops, more correctly:

https://www.glassbow.com/browse/?category=English+to+German

[still ginkgo]

This may be a niche desire, but does anyone know of concise paragraphs in German designed to present large amounts of vocabulary in context?

Sort of analogous to pangrams

[cerulean coyote]

How complex? You can always just do Harry Potter

[limber cairn]

I'm trying to power through the a1 and a2 content on memrise (im learning in combination with a lot of other resources.) Right now im doing the old courses A1 and A2 and doing like 5 levels a day. Is this worthwhile or should i just jump to the 5000 word course and get lessons on basic phrases and such from things like DW?

[cerulean coyote]

Powering through each level sounds like a waste of time to me, but if you are remembering the words good enough

[misty valve]

In my opinion, the memrise course for German is too slow and repetitive, so I think learning elsewhere is better. The 5000 word course has a better place.

[hushed silo]

memrise is just frustrating

I recommend everyone who wants to use it to use Anki instead

and if you're doing a vocab course but already know some vocab, simply set the "easy" interval on new cards to 1 month (or more)

[carmine canopy]

Anyone know of any good resources where I can listen to german audio but there is also some english translations?

It's for when I am working/driving etc

Passive learning

[hushed silo]

you know, looking through the resource list, good textbook recommendations are kinda lacking there actually

by which I mean kinda nonexistent?

[celest ermine]

Hey everybody

Can anyone recommend good textbooks and websites for german grammar?

[misty valve]

Check out the link in the pins.

[celest ermine]

Thank you Basementality

Still new to dsicord

dsicord

dammit

Discord*

I didn't even know that pin was there

[misty valve]

It's okay!

Feel free to ask any questions and we will try our best to help.

[wise viper]

You can edit your messages btw

[ionic ridge]

hey @celest ermine

[hushed silo]

I am curious. to those who are now B2 or above, what materials did you use to get there? Barring native reading and listening material. Did you use textbooks? Flashcards? Did you use any sort of structured approach like s textbook series or just went with the flow?

[sand marten]

I mostly went with the flow. I started with an unassuming website in Italian (written by native Germans tho) to learn the basics, then I basically paused learning for a time. I studied it again in uni for a bit which rekindled my interest and when I left uni I kept studying by myself, but to be honest I can't really remember much of how exactly. xD
And last year I emigrated to Germany, in preparation for which I tried my best to improve by studying for the TestDAF exam. After getting here, my proficiency understandably skyrocketed and now I try, at least for 4 days a week, to actively listen, read and interact in German.
I've always been looking for a structured method to follow (for language learning in general) but so far I haven't found anything that clicked with me.

[carmine canopy]

I doubt it exists. I'd like to know whether someone's had any experience with DW's "Deutsch – Warum Nicht?" series (that's A1 to B1, I think).

I spoke at B2-C maybe 10 years ago, but upon essentially abandoning the language, much of it has been lost. I can read newspapers semi-comfortably and grok most of the stuff from context, but as far as my own German-speaking ability goes, it's close to zilch.

By the way, for C2 English, one of my friends had a tutor (a native speaker of English), and they went through a single textbook. My friend passed CPE. However, there isn't much difference between C1 and C2 English; most of it is vocabulary. I don't know if it's the same for German.

[sand marten]

CEFR levels are not language based, they're meant to be general, so it's definitely the same

[carmine canopy]

I thought as much, but you never know.

Anyway, I'll try to go through the ... Warum Nicht series and report back. I've noticed already that much of my vocabulary, especially the god damn genders (in my first language hotel is a he, and in German it's an it, etc.), is lacking. So I think that's gonna be the biggest problem.

[sand marten]

in my experience the genders are not that big of a deal after a bit of practice. I don't feel my native language interferes much tbh

what's your native language?

[carmine canopy]

Croatian. The problem is, there isn't a way to intuitively tell them for all nouns. Of course, for some suffixes you can, but not for all.

What's yours?

Oh, Italian.

(:

Ciao for now.

[hushed silo]

yea you don't really need textbooks if you move to the place where they speak the lang if you've got a bit of a foundation. It's curious though, Japanese has a bunch of well-known and recommended textbooks, for german the only one I've ever seen recommended is Assimil

[sand marten]

it's probably because there's a lot of them that none really stands out

whereas the interest for japanese has really only grown relatively recently in europe

[remote garden]

i dont think its a recent thing, what you mean are the effects of anime

[hushed silo]

there's probably also a thing where for a more closely related language you don't necessarily need as good a textbook

[deep yacht]

i do think for german it's super essential to have many opportunities to speak

i'd say my german reached b2 level when I learned it in a language school

but it only really became fluent after i moved to germany

i feel like it's one of those languages that's built from many parts, sort of like a mental puzzle of rules you have to fit together

so speaking challenges you to react and make those connections a lot faster

[misty valve]

German has so, so, so, so many resources. You can look anywhere and find 30 different perspectives on the same information. That's probably part of the reason why specific sources aren't often put above others. There's enough variety available to suit different peoples' needs without sacrificing quality.

And I would probably say that my German improved a lot through helping other people learn on this server. A lot of the textbooks are oriented towards classroom study - that's partly why they are hard to recommend for individual study. But you can just read grammar books and do worksheets - it's basically the same thing.

Once you get over the initial hurdle of Level A where you don't know where to start, everything else just builds upon itself and you can start learning something new every time you come across it, like seeing a new grammar concept in a piece of writing and thinking "Huh, I've never seen that before. I wonder where I can find out more about that?"

[hushed silo]

mh I can definitely see that.
fuck A

I’ve been studying jp for half a year now and I haven’t even reached A1

it’s ridiculous how hard it is to learn vocabulary when there’s nothing you can connect it to

[misty valve]

Makes sense. 😔

[hushed silo]

I reckon I have an active vocabulary of maybe 200-300 words now and a passive one of somewhere between 500 and 1000. But that’s just… nothing

in native materials, that still means that I have to look up around 80% of the words I come across

[fringe knot]

Anyone have any good ideas for practicing German writing and composition? I'm reading German books and summarizing chapters/ideas in German right now.

[hushed silo]

I mean I guess write opinion essays or sth

[sand marten]

yeah that's a very effective way to improve writing

summarising stuff is pretty good too but it has its limits on what you gain from it after a certain point; I'd place it at least one step below opinion essays (but it's still a trillion steps above doing nothing at all)

the news can be a good source of prompts for essays. For example the Tagesschau channel on youtube recently published a video on how the German government is considering introducing compulsory civil service for young people, listing pros and cons. It could be a good starting point to describe pros and cons you think they missed, and what your final opinion on the matter is

also, it's a very common thing to find on official tests so if you ever want to sit one of those, you'd be better prepared for sure

[fringe knot]

Thanks lads

[limber cairn]

Has anyone done a Goethe-Institute online course? I'm thinking of taking the one for A2

I know i could learn it on my own but I need the certificate for language proof for uni apps so I was wondering what to expect

[carmine canopy]

You don’t get a certificate just from taking a course in goethe

[past swift]

You'll have to take the test to get the certificate, taking the course alone isn't getting you anything

Are you applaying for universities?

aren't they at least requiring B1 as a condition to apply ?

[sand marten]

afaik you can provide a lower level certificate to apply and promise to get the required level one within a certain timespan

[carmine canopy]

afaik you can provide a lower level certificate to apply and promise to get the required level one within a certain timespan
darf man das? aber ich glaub A2 reicht eh nicht aus, die meisten Unis wollen eh mindestens B1

[hushed silo]

also ich hab schon mal von jemandem hier gehört, dass er oder sie ein A1 Zertifikat brauche als ersten Beweis, und dann aber innert einem Jahr oder so auf B2 oder so sein muss

[carmine canopy]

von A1 auf B2 in einem Jahr scheint mir einfach nicht realistisch, A1 ist wirklich noch zu wenig für ein Studium und B2 ist ja schon was ziemlich Wesentliches

[hushed silo]

also von 0 auf B2 ist realistisch, wenn man sich wirklich anstrengt (sprich: vollimmersion)

quelle: in etwa was ich mit Portuguiesisch geschafft hatte in einem Jahr in Brasilien

ist zwar nur selbsteinschätzung, aber ich denke es kommt schon hin

aber viel glück mit der Vollimmersion…

insbes. beinhaltet das ja auch häufige Möglichkeit, die Sprache in spontanen, ungeplanten Situationen zu verwenden

was man im Ausland einfach nicht wirklich kann

aber wenn jemand bereits in Deutschland ist, denke ich ist ein Jahr bis B2 durchaus machbar

von dem her würde ich sagen:
es ist möglich. aber für die meisten nicht realistisch

[carmine canopy]

also von 0 auf B2 ist realistisch, wenn man sich wirklich anstrengt (sprich: vollimmersion)
das kann ich jetzt nicht genauer einschätzen aber ich glaub da reicht ein Jahr (meistens) nicht aus, selbst wenn man vollmotiviert ist und die Sprache im Alltag verwendet bzw. im Zielland lebt

[hushed silo]

ich glaub schon, wenn man neben dem allgemeinen Sprachgebrauch auch noch selber intensiv lernt

ich hab damals in Brasilien nebenher noch täglich Zeit ins aktive Lernen investiert, und nach ein paar Monaten dann auch portugiesische Grammatikbücher und so Zeugs durchgelesen

mit nur passiv dort sein, was die meisten Austauschschüler machen, wird’s natürlich nichts

man muss auch bedenken, dass ich wirklich nichts anderes zu tun hatte, als die Sprache zu lernen… das stimmt für die meisten natürlich nicht

[carmine canopy]

mit nur passiv dort sein, was die meisten Austauschschüler machen, wird’s natürlich nichts
yup, schließlich kommts auf den einzelnen Lernenden an

[hushed silo]

ich musste täglich in die Schule, aber das war alles auf Portugiesisch, und in der Freizeit hab ich weitergelernt

[carmine canopy]

wie alt warst du denn, als du in Brasilien gelebt hast?

[hushed silo]

16

hatte meinen 17. Geburtstag dort

…glaube ich

[carmine canopy]

wenn du es nicht weißt :D

[hushed silo]

ja ist doch schon n paar jahre her

ich glaub ich war im 13/14 dort

ja ich glaub das passt, dann hatte ich meinen 17. Geburtstag nachdem ich etwa einen Monat dort war

und dann 14/15 5. Klasse, 15/16 6. Klasse, 16/17 Zivildienst und jetzt 17/18 1. Studienjahr

geht auf

[carmine canopy]

was studierst du?

[hushed silo]

mathe

[uneven cave]

The links on "Aussichten vocabulary lists: A1/1 A1/2 A2/1 A2/2 B1/1 B1/2" are dead :(

[ornate pendant]

Rip

[limber cairn]

A2

Im applying for a2 but just got told by gorthe the certificat for completion wouldnt work, even though it says on the uni's page that a cert from a language school should

[carmine canopy]

It means you have to take an exam at that school

[limber cairn]

Hmmm ok

So my options are either taking the a2 exam in september (starting from pretty much zero german now) or getting a custom test date which the overseer said came at a "high fee" and hasnt gotten back to me about specifics

The uni's list of possible proofs seems so flexible though it seems like there'd be another way i could do this

Referring to 'accepted proof of language' :

https://www.udk-berlin.de/en/courses/applications-and-the-study-process/applications-general-information/international-applicants/

[carmine canopy]

A2 german isn’t hard, you can even learn that by yourself

And next time ask in #general #general-2 or #archived-culture-study-visa pls, this one is for resources, not questions

[limber cairn]

K no problem

[carmine canopy]

Has anyone saved the A1/A2...B1/B2 word list?

[drowsy kindle]

[cosmic stratus]

getrole Level B

[carmine canopy]

Sehr gute Seite für lernen
https://www.dw.com/de/deutsch-lernen/deutsch-mobil/s-40884569

Hey Diuca, do you mean Goethe Wortliste?
https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/cs/Goethe-Zertifikat_B1_Wortliste.pdf
https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/Goethe-Zertifikat_A2_Wortliste.pdf
https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/a1_sd1_wortliste_02.pdf

[soft palm]

Hallo

[carmine canopy]

anyone know of any listening

where it plays the whole audio sample

and then goes through it sentence by sentence with a tranlsation?

[ornate pendant]

Have a look at Beelinguapp :)

[plain kernel]

mit meinem netten xd

[soft zenith]

Guys any good youtubers?

In German

[next apex]

Deutch lernen mit Jenny

[soft zenith]

Not for learning

For listening

Like gaming

or vlogs

[next apex]

No I don't know any sorry

[soft zenith]

But thanks

[next apex]

I'm still in A1.3 actually 😅

So of course I won't understand any youtubers now

[pure bolt]

@soft zenith gronkh

Most popular gaming one afaik

[soft zenith]

thanks

[pure bolt]

He's won awards for this stuff

[soft zenith]

u native?

[pure bolt]

No sweetheart, just have German friends who told me ab it

[soft zenith]

ok sweetheart thanks for the help

[sand marten]

does one have to be a native to recommend youtubers? xD

[pure bolt]

Yes ofc

[soft zenith]

no

just asked

[misty valve]

Gronkh is a good YouTuber and some of his videos even have some subtitles, which is cool.

If you want another recommendation, I think Gerugon is pretty good.

[pure bolt]

He's a really nice guy

You seen his videos with oma marmelade

[misty valve]

Here is the playlist I'm watching right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4eNUhk-Lg&list=PLlqcQ729_FGEYG8mM12CPnSYRcts42nIO&index=2&t=0s

[pure bolt]

?

[sand marten]

I had watched a playthrough of something by gronkh, i remember liking his style quite a bit

[misty valve]

This is skyrim and it's also cool because in between in-game days he writes in German in a diary and you can read it while he writes it.

[sand marten]

at the time I wasn't even able to pick up all the words he said 😢

[pure bolt]

Neither can I now lmao

That gives me hope berzi

[misty valve]

Cute, Berzi.

I watched Gronkh in the early days too so I also look forward to going back and understanding.

[sand marten]

it gets better with practice 👍 especially if you try to have various people and things you listen to

like podcasts and stuff. That's what I listen to mostly lately

in fact it's pretty much all i do for practice, but don't follow my example here 👀

[merry isle]

I have some German being spoken to me almost all the time (either real people or something on my headphones). Good method to get used to various pronunciations.

[hushed silo]

gronkh is great, I can especially recommend his playthroughs of daedalic games (e.g. harvey’s neue augen)

(got the games mixed up, Harvey’s Neue Augen is the sequel)

(the first part is Edna Bricht Aus)

[limpid rose]

Hey, is google translate good for sentences translate ?

[misty valve]

Not at all.

[cerulean coyote]

Word translation is okay though

But only use for german to English

Not the other way around

You are better using something else though

[carmine canopy]

dict.cc is a great resource

[errant fulcrum]

deepL is better than google translate for sentences translation

not for single words really tho but at least they display alternatives

[merry isle]

for words it's anyway better to look into a dictionary

[fringe knot]

one should definitely avoid using a translator as much as possible

[merry isle]

@fringe knot Translator is useful if you're totally confused about the meaning, or you're just a beginner, or you don't learn the language at all and just need to understand a piece of text. In most of the other cases - I agree with you.

[fringe knot]

Yeah but even then I think it would be better to either ask here or try and brute force the sentence by reading it like 100 times and breaking down each part

[merry isle]

Makes sense. It also totally depends on situation

[limpid rose]

Thank you guys !

[grave drift]

I dont know if busuu has been mentioned here, but i started using it today and its great

[jovial mirage]

For "Software and other utilities", I find that http://cactus2000.de/ is great, especially because you can decline nouns on it

[uneven cave]

I found this site, where you can search for common misspellings and their correction!
https://www.korrekturen.de/beliebte_fehler.shtml

[limpid rose]

I found this website, that helps you with the conjugation of the verbs in different tenses.
https://www.verbformen.com

[livid atlas]

https://www.vocabulix.com/conjugation/German-Verbs.html

This is good too.

[hushed silo]

misclassifies my old piano teacher

music and sports teachers outside of schools you use du with

in general “has he/she explicitly offered du” supercedes any other things so that should be the first thing

[sand marten]

"a child by age, not behavior"
why is such a note necessary? xD

[ornate pendant]

it's supposed to be comedic I think lol

[sand marten]

doesn't really look that way

in general i mean

[ornate pendant]

"A Simple Visual Guide"

proceeds into a mess of jumbled flow chart

[sand marten]

well there's no simpler way to display it if you do want to get down to dissecting the matter that way

which btw I wouldn't do for such a nebulous social rule anyway

[wise viper]

I like how it says "unclear, avoid using second person"

Because that's what Sie is, right?

Talking with someone as if you were talking about a group of other people

[hushed silo]

no, Sie is still second person (semantically, not grammatically)

what is meant is avoiding addressing the other person entirely

falling back to man or wir

it's an artform in itself

[sand marten]

I dare say I'm pretty good at it myself

since I do that in Italian as well

[carmine canopy]

------ begin german note folder dump -----

** ------ end german note folder dump ----- **

[ornate pendant]

nice, I was just wondering about dative pronouns a min ago

perfect timing

[fickle tartan]

why not here

[hushed silo]

more importantly did you ask for permission to post such a link here

[sour glacier]

Hello

Someone have the book Menschen - Deutsch als Fremdsprache A2/1 Kursbuck + Arbeitsbuch

?

I will appreciate ❤

[still gyro]

https://learnoutlive.com/free-german-textbooks-pdf-epub-kindle/

Free german textbooks that are public domain online! Some even have the audio to go with it

[carmine canopy]

@nimble pasture heyo Zach, I remember you posting a reddit thread with german books. Do you have Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo? 👀

[oak igloo]

hallo!

anyone here has the Netwerk A2 kursbuch and arbeitsbuch pdf?

[ornate pendant]

i might do actually

why?

oh

i don't have the pdf

[oak igloo]

aw shucks : (

[ornate pendant]

just the physical book

[oak igloo]

any suggestions for A2 books?

[ornate pendant]

I think there's another series called Logo that we used in school

[oak igloo]

Thanks!

I will looks that up.

[zenith flicker]

@oak igloo this one ? https://www.klett-sprachen.de/download/2457/NEZ_A2.1_AB_LS.pdf

I also found where you could download the Kursbuch

I don't know if I'm allowed to upload the book here or paste the URL

[oak igloo]

@zenith flicker YES! This one.

you can DM me

[nova bay]

Für alle, welche die Übersicht aller Zeitformen gern hätten.

[prime flax]

I don't see this in the rules but, can I ask for books here?

[misty valve]

Yes.

[spark dew]

Is there a resource available for morphology? A place where someone can enter a word into a search engine type format and the word will be broken down into their separate meanings, on how the word is formed?

[sand marten]

http://avdlswr-a.akamaihd.net/swr/swr2/wissen/sendungen/2018/08/swr2-wissen-aula-20180826-medizinischer-fortschritt-am-faden-podcast.m.mp3
instruktives Interview von SWR2 über Biotechnologie und wie Spinnenseide dank 🌈 SCIENCE 🌠 genutzt wird und werden könnte. Habs sehr interessant gefunden

("... nutzt wird und werden könnte" kann man das irgendwie besser ausdrücken oder geht es schon gut so?)

[carmine canopy]

genutzt, apart from that it's okay

[sand marten]

oh whoops. I had gone with benutzt at first and then forgot to add the prefix

[hushed silo]

The resource list has self-assessment checklists. However, they are in German, which is less than convenient for the less advanced learners. I have found what is essentially the same resource, but in English

Self-Assessment Grid: https://rm.coe.int/168045bb52 (less detailed, good to get a very rough guess if you have absolutely no clue)
Checklists: https://www.laits.utexas.edu/fi/sites/laits.utexas.edu.fi/files/Self Assessment Checklist European.pdf (much more detailed. I recommend going through the grid first to get a rough idea, then looking through the checklist one level lower first)

(oh also this is one large file rather than 6 different ones)

[carmine canopy]

Anyone know any good translated german books for beginners A1 level?

[glad comet]

I just have the winnie pooh series

physical copies, however

[hushed silo]

I forgot who curates the resource list but could you add the thingy I put here to the bottom, either replacing or supplementing the self-assessment checklists already there?

[carmine canopy]

Arrem and I are curating the list. I'll get to it soon

[wise viper]

do you guys know of any bilingual sites / texts? side by side EN/DE stuff

[plush kindle]

dict.cc, if you need translation.

[sand marten]

I think they mean for reading practice :P

[nimble flame]

@wise viper There's a link in the resource list for side by side texts (in the books section)

[boreal socket]

maybe I'm asking for too much but something like Linguee (words + lots of examples) but with conjugations would be real nice. Anyone know if such an app exists?

[open girder]

you could use https://de.wiktionary.org/ since it provides both of those in every article

not really an app as such I suppose

[merry isle]

There's an Android app that presents content from Wiktionary (offline), it's called simply "Deutsch Wörterbuch" and is made by "Livio". Pretty useful in case of a limited Internet connection.

[wise viper]

lol I have that app but I didn't know it worked offline 😅

[regal torrent]

https://www.conversationexchange.com

[tropic vector]

guys what are the best Anki decks for starting german? basic sentences, definitions, and audio

[wise viper]

I'm using this one.

[pale nest]

how d i get this deck?

[wise viper]

it's on the Anki webpage I believe

tap on the +, then on get shared decks

and search

[tropic vector]

i like the words, but then it uses them in example sentences and i just really wish they had audio as well

not just the defined words

[wise viper]

there's a version with audio iirc

ah you mean for the sentences too?

[pale nest]

thx!

[pale nest]

hey

after i download the deck

what do i do?

[plush kindle]

You need the Anki app. Then it works like study flashcards.

[carmine canopy]

@regal torrent does the site that you mention currently work? I am having a hard time with it

[regal torrent]

Are you using that link on your cellphone or computer? @carmine canopy

[viscid quartz]

A couple dozen german graded readers:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wNuZZLyVwttvDTBZm7bz0SgWdeQgmB9T

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WtfV6OuTDEMNEhFujARRzhBErWWELAz6

[grave drift]

@tropic vector the 4000+ deck i'm using has audio in the example sentences

[amber rain]

Does anyone know any interactive learning recourses aimed at complete beginners?

[storm crypt]

check out dw.com maybe?

[carmine canopy]

@regal torrent i was using on phone then it worked fine on PC

[regal torrent]

@carmine canopy
The site is meant for pc, sorry TTwTT it’s not cellular device friendly

[pine ravine]

i need menschen book for A2.2 any one can help me ?

[carmine canopy]

@。。。金。。。#1606 do you know of any other sites such as these to find native speakers?

[gusty copper]

IS there any website oder software, that I input a list of German nouns and get a output of their genders, plurals? I need do this work all by once, looking up in a wiktionary one by one really takes time.😫

[sand marten]

i don't know of any (although I am considering training a machine learning model to recognise german word gender) but something like dict.cc or dict.leo.org is probably faster than wiktionary since you can see the gender immediately to the side

also learning some patterns would help. Like -schaft = f

[cinder python]

That's an interesting idea 🤔

[gusty copper]

@sand marten You Programmers are really creative 😆

[hushed silo]

but would it be faster to do that, or to just load a dictionary database and have it do lookups

also I feel like by only looking at the shape of the words you’re missing an important piece of information, namely the meaning

occasionally there’s semantic patterns in the genders, e.g. many river names are feminine (exceptions exist: rhein, nil, mississippi are all masc, but it holds for many minor ones)

[misty valve]

True, but I think, more importantly, it would be an interesting project as a ML exercise. Since you have a good amount of data to test against and it will be interesting to see what the accuracy might be.

[sand marten]

@hushed silo you could code all that into features for a model

[ornate pendant]

That is a really cool idea damn

[sand marten]

morphology doesn't need to be the only factor

also, the usefulness would lie in possibly being able to visualise the data to discover patterns that escape superficial examination

[ornate pendant]

It would be interesting to see how accurate the model could be with just morphology