questions

[brisk lance]

it's because im kinda learning by each word yk?

which may be a wrong idea

[winter stream]

i mean its generally fine, you have to learn in some way after all

[brisk lance]

hell on the anki thing for the sentences i try to trasnalte the sentence word by word to find the meaning

[winter stream]

noch is still and kurz is short, certainly. you might not say one or the other in english perhaps, not a big deal either way

[brisk lance]

and is it a common expression? using them both

[winter stream]

hm i dont think of it as a particular expression but it is common to combine them, yeah

[brisk lance]

ohhh i seee

tyyyy

[winter stream]

hope it helped a little

[brisk lance]

like if u want an example for me it's weird to see "oder" as being "isn't it? right?" like it just means "or" it's so wild

i mean like it is or but the meaning is "isnt it"

[winter stream]

ah yeah sure, word usage doesnt always correspond one to one between languages

[brisk lance]

yeahhhh

[winter stream]

i remember someone remarking on the or? construction among non-native english speakers, dont know if its a common thing there. but yeah its very normal in german, and i remember this person mentioning it a few times because of how noticeable it felt

i also sometimes find i have to cut down on the number of adverbs im using when speaking english compared to german

which sometimes leads me to overuse 'just' i think

[brisk lance]

As a Portuguese native speaker, i could TRY to imagine it being said as "ou?" but in my view it feels too insecure??? It's like saying "Am I right, or...?" like expecting someone to say they are wrong haha.

But I could also try to see it as an extension, I sometimes see rhetorical expressions like let's say "Am I right, or am I not right?" so maybe that's where the oder thing is from. IDK. I'm trying connecting the dots with linguistics HAHAHAH

[scenic obsidian]

Can you give an example?

[brisk lance]

hmmm do you use just a lot in german?

[winter stream]

yeah its often just rhetorical. theres a bunch of other, often regional expressions for 'isnt it?' and some people use them profusely

[brisk lance]

ohhh i seeee

[winter stream]

hm unsure, largely but not entirely the modal particles of course. im not sure to what extent these are necessarily all modal particles or sometimes just literal. but ich war grad eben mal bei.... where three words realistically equal a single 'just' in english

[brisk lance]

WOW

[scenic obsidian]

How does that sentence change with 1, 2, or 3 of the words?

grad
vs.
grad eben
vs.
grad eben mal

"mal" softens things, right?

[winter stream]

yeah

[scenic obsidian]

"grad eben" vs. "grad", is that like, gleich, it just happened?

[winter stream]

grad and grad eben probably dont communicate anything differrent

[scenic obsidian]

grad = just
grad eben = just a second ago/just a moment ago
?

[winter stream]

yeah and english just is probably the thing most like german modal particles and such. it can indicate recency, it can soften things, it can indicate some sort of.. minimal expectation?

[winter stream]

yeah basically

[scenic obsidian]

I think in English, we can add things onto "just"

🤔

just
just now
just just now

that last one is hard to google, because google thinks it's an error and doesn't actually search it

or maybe it's "just now, just now"

🤔

[sly sail]

hallo

19/30 on B1 Goethe hören prüfung

is that good/bad?

if your level is early B2 do you need like 27-30/30 ?

[nova wedge]

Die Fledermaus hängt kopfüber in der Höhle.
Sie frisst eine Banane, weil die Bananen ist süß sind.
Any more fixes I have to do I think I fix all of them

[winter stream]

i dont spot any clear issues. i think it would be more natural to say weil Bananen süß sind without an article

but it's not exactly ungrammatical

[nova wedge]

Danke

[thin pollen]

How does sich verbinden lassen work? I don't really understand the examples as the meaning I have saved for it is to be connected on the phone/transfer a call but shouldn't verbinden be enough ?

"ich verbinde dich jetzt mit/zu der anderen Abteilung" is it correct to say that instead ?

[thin pollen]

Sie frisst eine Banane, Weil Bananen süß sind

Unless you're talking abt some specific bananas then you use die intsead

[nova wedge]

Danke

[tulip meteor]

I mean, it just indicates they're having someone else do it, for whatever reason

[craggy oyster]

What are youtube videos that can help me learn german? Im still a beginner but I do have books A1 to B1 from my mom

[worn meadow]

Kann jemand mit der Bildung des Satzs mit darauf helfen?

z.b. Nummer 4: Missbildungen-radioaktive Strahlung

Die Missbildungen können darauf, dass die radioactive Strahlung zurückgeführt werden

Ist das richtig?

[dire ice]

try Yourgermanteacher and Easygerman, good and popular german teaching youtuber

[dawn leaf]

What's the sentence structure for fragen with modalverbs and zeit?

Is zeit considered der Rest?

[hollow umbra]

Nein, "die Missbildungen können auf die radioaktive Strahlung zurückgeführt werden".

Mit "darauf, dass" brauchst du einen kompletten Nebensatz.

Die Missbildungen können darauf zurückgeführt werden, dass die radioaktive Strahlung die DNS angreift

Oder so

[scenic obsidian]

@thin pollen

Yoshi is talking specifically about "lassen" here. One meaning of "lassen + (verb)" is "get somebody to do (verb)"

See #2 here: https://germanstudiesdepartmenaluser.host.dartmouth.edu/Lassen/Lassen.html

[scenic obsidian]

On the other hand, I'm not sure what sentence You're talking about here.

It could be that they were using "sich + lassen", which, if you look at that same site on #3, is similar to "können" with passive voice.

So it could be like, "Diese zwei Systeme lassen sich verbinden." = Diese zwei Systeme können verbunden werden. = These two systems can be connected.

Could you give the actual example sentence you were stuck on?

[light lake]

"Ich öffnete die Wohnungstür und rief: „Hallo?" why does rief have no ending ?

[scenic obsidian]

to call out, like yell out loud, not through a phone or something, is just "rufen"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rufen

to call someone through a phone or something is "anrufen"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anrufen

[light lake]

aight

[light lake]

"Ich nahm ein T-Shirt vom Boden auf" what does auf add here?

[vocal zinc]

I didnt know aufnehmen could be used like that

I'd normally say aufheben instead

There are seperable verbs in German, which means while the original word is "aufnehmen", when intended to use you say the "prefix" part, which is the auf here, at the end of the sentence.

aufnehmen => Ich nehme auf, du nimmst auf, er nimmt auf etc

but the very first meaning of aufnehmen is to record something

[thin pollen]

Can't really find any examples. Just the definition on Nicos weg

Wasn't even used in the video

[thin pollen]

the examples I mentioned in my question were the AI results I get on Google when searching so idk if I'm allowed to quote them

[light lake]

This is why I am confused

[serene island]

ich lade das Bild hoch, weil das Gendersterchen sonst nicht zu erkennen ist.Bitte beantworen Sie die Frage im hochgeladenen Bild

[hallow birch]

Hi! Any German youtube channel you would recommend?
I'm keen on storytelling around technology, history or video games.
I also really like when people are nerding about something related to these topics too?

[scenic obsidian]

Weil der Autor faul war 😄

Das ist eben das Problem mit dem Gendersternchen: Wenn es viele Jobtitel gibt, muss man es immer wieder schreiben, es ist ermüdend.

[scenic obsidian]

There is an "escape key" thing, btw; if you put \ before the asterisk, it won't be interpreted by Discord as part of an italicizing thing.

Hirnforscher*innen und Sprachwissenschaftler*innen

[serene island]

dang, thanks for this Tipp

[plush locust]

It's not normal contemporary language. Where is that example from? (I also had to verify in a dictionary if that's established or creative word usage, or just a translation error) Aufheben is what you'd use in typical speech.

[plush locust]

Ein Fehler? Ich wäre konsequent. Es hat ja auch zwei Leerzeichen hinter "wie" 🙂

[plush locust]

Oooh danke!!!

[serene island]

könnten Sie mir bitte erklären, was Sie eigentlich meinen. Ich verstehe zwar Ihre Antwort wörtlich aber nicht inhaltlich.

[light lake]

Dino lernt deutch

its very highly reviewed

[hollow umbra]

You caaaaan use "aufnehmen" here, it's okay only slightly weird. @plush locust is right, aufheben would be more normal.

[light lake]

Dino lernt deutch destroyed

[scenic obsidian]

They didn't put the Gendersternchen repeatedly simply because they made a mistake. Morri would have been consistent and put the Gendersternchen every time. Also, after the word "wie", there are two spaces instead of 1, which is another mistake, although whether that's your fault or the original author's, idk

[scenic obsidian]

Is this perhaps a regional thing?

[hollow umbra]

Perhaps Ralph Caspers?

[hollow umbra]

Hmm, don't know, probably not. Aufnehmen is to record a cassette or VHS Video, or spilled fluid with a cloth

Fun fact, in the Eifel and Trier region they say holen instead of nehmen 😆 "Ich hole eine Kassette auf", "Ich habe fünf Kilo abgeholt", sehr lustig

Das holt kein Ende

[serene island]

vielen Dank für die Erklärung

[light lake]

welp it is what it is

thanks for the help ill just ignore it then

[serene island]

Was bedeutet nicht binär in dem Kontext des Bildes. Ich habe das Wort eingkreist. Heißt es, dass das Gendersterchen nicht binäre Personen berücksichtigt.

[frigid tinsel]

I missed the discussion lol. Wow, now I'm worried about my understanding/use of aufnehmen.

[plush locust]

For a typical German speaker (from my experience), "aufnehmen" would imply that you take something in, so, you make it yours, keep it to you, etc.; aufheben just describes the physical action

[sleek pebble]

aufnehmen can also mean to record

both with a camera and taking something up on a record (noting something down)

[winter kayak]

Ja genau

[nocturne crest]

if i mantain a 90%+ grade from 9th grade till 12 grade does that help me in getting into a german college?

i currently have in the first term of 9th grade a 94.6%

so if i can get this term more than that and then equalise them it would get me an 96%/97%+ in 9th grade

[winter kayak]

#1033125270217048246

[glass void]

Hello.

Da sah er mir ins Auge:
„Der Freiheit gilt’s, wohlan!
Ihr ist in alter Liebe
Auch mein Herz zugethan!“
Could you guys please translate this to English? I cannot understand absolutely anything here.

For example, shouldn't it be "Ihr seid"?

[winter stream]

oh uhhh whats this from, i may or may not remember this

[winter stream]

not nominative ihr

[glass void]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Im_Krug_zum_grünen_Kranze

[winter stream]

its the feminine dative one

ah okay then i dont know it

[glass void]

So that would be something like "For you, my heart is also [???]"?

PS: Zupfgeigenhansel's version of it is amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuvcN7L-Hig

[winter stream]

He looked me in the eye:
“for freedom then, very well
to her(freedom), in old love
my heart too is drawn”
more or less

[glass void]

I'm starting to get it!!

[winter stream]

reformulating the individual clauses into something simpler:
Da sah er mir ins Auge:
Es gilt für die Freiheit, wohlan! (wohlan is basically just some high register expression for well then/well now)
Auch mein Herz ist ihr(der Freiheit) zugetan

jemandem zugetan sein = to have affection for someone

or for something

[glass void]

Deine Erklährung ist mir zugetan.

[winter stream]

haha

[winter stream]

oops i typod for as from in the beginning here

basically in the context it seems to be about liberal leanings during the post-napoleonic repression era

[glass void]

So I suppose "Im Krug zum grünen Kranze" is like "In the pub, to flourishing circles"?

As in, new groups of people flourishing, with new ideas.

[winter stream]

there was a time there after the french republic/empire was defeated when basically the 'old powers' of the aristocracies tried to do away with the idea of the political citizenry, this is a fairly significant thing in the former half of the 19th century, certainly here in germany. influences a lot of writing during that time

[winter stream]

hm maaaaybe sounds like a very plausibly generic pub name without deeper significance though

[light lake]

So it does make sense in the context I presented ?

[winter stream]

Kranz doesnt have the extended sense of 'circle of people' that Kreis has

Kranz is more or less just 'wreath of flowers'

[winter stream]

that aside the language is very typical of the era regardless of political leanings i think. a lot of nowadays noticeably dated but readily intelligible 'classic' poetry is like this

the “der Freiheit gilt's” for example is a sentence you'd not really say anymore. but basically it's about dedicating something to (the cause of) freedom/liberty

doesnt seem to be about dedicating anything particular though (not, e.g., drinking to liberty), just a general exclamation that this is what the person speaking there values

[plush locust]

it makes sense, but don't ever use it in practice in a conversation anno 2026 (because it will result in a jarring moment)

[winter stream]

the uh. term in the previous stanza, den freien Sinn zu hegen, Freisinn is a common synonym for liberalism/liberty/democratic leanings etc during this time

throughout the whole 19th century, they still had a 'free-thinkers people's party' during the german empire

[glass void]

I was about to ask you about this sentence!!!!

The poem is finally making sense to me!

Thank you so much

[winter stream]

🙌

[light lake]

I'll just use either nehmen or aufheben

[magic mauve]

Wie kann ich an einem Voice-Call teilnehmen?

[deft elk]

Guys I need to understand somethin how can I learn German here? Is there a clear plan that tracks people’s progress or is it just individual effort with some help on the server?

[plush locust]

if you pick something up from the ground you use "aufheben", end.

[light lake]

and if its from a closet?

[hollow umbra]

Ich hole eine Unterhose aus dem Schrank

[plush locust]

Was meinst du damit? D:

[light lake]

whatever he said above u

[plush locust]

Well, then it's fine!

[frigid tinsel]

Schwiegereltern: The silent parents.

/s

Soooo... I see that its "Parents in law", but what the heck is the etymology here?

Wiktionary doesn't seem to have anything.

[plush locust]

a) why do you care? ; b) the question itself is interesting (but not related to contemporary language at all)

(noting b means, I also wanna know)

[frigid tinsel]

I guess just curiosity. Hmmm. Maybe my American brain just really wants "ei" and "ie" to be close.

But there's all kinds of German words where the ei / ie shift results in clearly completely different word.

[sly oracle]

mittelhochdeutsch swiger, althochdeutsch swigar; alte indogermanische weibliche Gegenbildung zu Schwager in dessen alter Bedeutung „Schwiegervater“

[plush locust]

yes, and "ei" is just "egg" 😄

[plush locust]

and can you go before this? (i.e., beyond copy-pasting from a dictionary?)

(not an attack, btw, I can't go further, myself, too)

[sly oracle]

then answer yourself https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sweḱrúh₂

yes

[winter stream]

what do you mean by further or before here 🤔

in time or like in content in some sense

[plush locust]

danke!

Der Punkt wäre eher: "copy-pasting"

[sly oracle]

they clearly didn't know the answer so I posted the answer from duden? like what

[plush locust]

...(almost) no one knows the answer, to be honest...

[winter stream]

(side note, the word could even potentially be etymologised within proto-indo-european. but that's neither here nor there)

[sly oracle]

ok no idea what you're talking about have a good day

[plush locust]

You, too.

[zenith talon]

Does anyone know some youtubers that play games in german while teaching it?

[scenic obsidian]

That's very specific. I have seen one guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPt_EfzIjQ

[vale grove]

is there a less formal way to speak in past tense

i lowk dont feel like doing allat

my mom says there isn't, but she's old and i dont trust her

[zenith talon]

thank you :) . Yeah I know it's very specific

But it's basically how I learned english on my own when I was like 7

Since that worked so well I figured I should use the same tactic for german

[scenic obsidian]

What do you mean, doing "all that"?

[vale grove]

like

in english I can just say "I ran" but in german I have to say "Ich habe gelaufen" or whatever it is

[scenic obsidian]

Ich bin gelaufen

that is the casual way

the formal way is to say "Ich lief" and use Präteritum

There are 2 past tenses in German

Perfekt (Ich habe gespielt/ich bin gelaufen) and Präteritum (Ich spielte, ich lief)

Perfekt is what is used in normal conversation casually, Präteritum is used in like, narratives and more formal stuff

More generally: If you're finding forming the Perfekt tense to be bothersome, I have some bad news for you: That's just the tip of the iceberg of learning an entire foreign language.

[vale grove]

aw man

[scenic obsidian]

Shit takes quite a lot of dedication

You didn't learn English overnight, you're not going to learn German overnight

It is a project that takes years, not days or weeks or months

[vale grove]

yeah i know, i've just already been learning for years

[scenic obsidian]

and you still have trouble forming Perfekt tense?

🤔

What has been your method of learning?

[vale grove]

well i dont have trouble with it

im just lazy

also i've only been learning it in school

[scenic obsidian]

"ich habe gelaufen" is wrong, to be clear

[vale grove]

i'm aware

i'm actually taking proper classes now, though

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah, the speed of language learning in schools is suboptimal

[vale grove]

the ones in my older school were terrible

now there's a better program

[scenic obsidian]

Pro-tip: If you really want to see noticeable progress, you need to be dedicating at least an hour a day, every day, to learning the language.

There are plenty of resources online for free btw

#resources Check the pinned Google Doc

I recommend the youtube channel YourGermanTeacher for A1-B1

[plush locust]

...or at least 15 min. A day. just something a day (make it a habit)

Daily (or even bi-daily, just regularly) is more important than time spent on block.

[indigo bear]

15 minutes a day can be enough for maintenance. But what Argus is saying is that you need to spend overall an hour per day to see noticeable progress. You will not see noticeable progress with 15 minutes per day.

Or I usually phrase it as at least 10 hours per week.

[fossil flame]

I got a setup to start with for myself, basically it has a database of words you describe as well as dictionaries that show up when you click words, I felt it is a good idea to share my new setup as people have been talking about Anki in #beginner-german , but what could reliance on this make me lack? Speaking wise I repeat words and sing songs but curious to see further criticism (I am hoping to talk to people as well that is why I joined here)

I also setup Anki for 5000 most frequent words

[dire ice]

„Bitte, bringt den Müll aus, räumt auf, putzt das Badezimmer“
„Sebastian, bitte, bring den Müll raus, räum auf, Putz das Badezimmer“
This are examples of **imperative plural” and “imperative singular”, but I only see the difference with the “t” at the end of the verbs, is that because the first sentence is said to more people as plural?

„Bitte, bringt (ihr) den Müll aus, räumt (ihr) auf, putzt (ihr) das Badezimmer“, is that what makes the difference? as this sentence is meant to be said to multiple people?

[jovial remnant]

that would be right

[paper remnant]

Hi

Is Netzwerk Neu A1 a good book to start?

How to read it, the entire book is in German?

[winter kayak]

sure

[winter kayak]

It's "meant" to be used in a classroom with a teacher. It can definitely be difficult to try to use a textbook from A1 that's completely in German. There should be alternatives more suited to self-study.

[paper remnant]

I already bought it without knowing that it is meant to be used in a classroom

I guess, I need to use a lot of DeepL translate

Thanks for resolving my query!

[timid ether]

That's exactly what I did at the beginning. You should be fine :)

[paper remnant]

Thanks! I guess it is like opening a rusted bolt, takes a lot of effort at first, after that it gets easier (the translation part)

[indigo bear]

Although DeepL is a good translator, for this situation I recommend to learn to use a dictionary and look up individual words.

And for things like grammar explanations, there are many free websites online where you can read that info alongside your book.

[winter kayak]

If your German ends up as good as @timid ether 's we might have to call it an official method 😛

[timid ether]

Oh wow, that's a very nice compliment

[paper remnant]

@timid ether How much time did it take you to reach C2 if you don't mind me asking?

[timid ether]

Hmm, I've been learning for about five years, and I would say that I had reached C1 about two years ago, although I officially got the Goethe certificate just last summer. I could very most likely pass a C2 exam right now, but not sure if I am completely C2, maybe C1+ or something.

I've been working exclusively in German for over 2 years, where is where I personally noticed a lot improvement.

[paper remnant]

So you started at A1 5 years ago?

[timid ether]

Yeah, just about.

[paper remnant]

I have also have same amount of time - 6 years to learn German

[timid ether]

I did Duolingo for a month or so, gave up for a bit and then came back to it with a different, much more intense approach.

[timid ether]

Nice, I can recommend this post; I wrote it ;), maybe there are some things that could help you. https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/1k59n8f/from_zero_to_c1_my_german_learning_journey_tips/

[paper remnant]

That is exactly my story. Did Duolingo for about 2 months, then quit (I hated its gamified approach and XP grind)

One more question, How much did it help in your career?

[timid ether]

A lot, but I know people in Berlin who do not speak German whatsoever who do very well because they work at startups where only English is needed.

[paper remnant]

Are you from Non-EU country?

[timid ether]

Yes, I'm American.

[paper remnant]

Thank you for clearing all of my questions!

Very much appreciated!

[pliant scarab]

Hallo Zusammen! Kurze Frage. Ich habe die Definition des Verbs „Biegen“ gegoogelt und daraus verstehe ich sowas wie → etwas durch kräftige Macht umformen, ohne dass es sich zerteilt. Was haltet ihr davon? Noch eine Frage dazu, die eigentlich die Ursache meiner Fragestellung ist: kann man auch durch einfache Bewegung „einen Teil des Körpers“ bzw „den Arm“ , „das Bein“ oder „den Finger“ biegen?

[hollow umbra]

Ja, manche Leute haben so flexible Finger, dass sie sie nach hinten biegen können!

[winter kayak]

Würde man für normale Bewegungen eher 'beugen' sagen? (Arme, Kopf, Knie, usw)

[pliant scarab]

das wäre doch keine normale Bewegung 🤣 Also wenn man sich mit der Hand eine Schulter berührt. Gibt es kein Verb, das so eine Bewegung beschreibt? Wäre es nicht „biegen“?

[keen mulch]

can ,,meines Erachtens" be used as a synonym to ,,meiner Meinung nach"?

[winter kayak]

yes

[vocal zinc]

are those normal or fancy medieval words

also is vertrauensvoll like being trustworthy himself or trusting others easily

[winter kayak]

normal

[vocal zinc]

oh so people do use zurückhaltend etc

[winter kayak]

I believe trusting of others, in this instance .

[vocal zinc]

thanks i still lack a lot

[winter kayak]

In the future, you can use a dictionary (mono- or bilingual) to find the definitions of single words.

[vocal zinc]

thanks

[echo sun]

Is it fine if I kinda just ask random questions in the beginner German place

Just so I could like practice stuff and then continue talking from there

[hollow umbra]

All quite normal. Perhaps except "unerschrocken", there are simpler alternatives like "mutig", "tapfer", "verwegen", "furchtlos" (all with slightly different meanings of course)

[hollow umbra]

Trustworthy is vertrauenswürdig

[winter kayak]

yes, the channel is just for chatting in German for learners. If you have questions about German language/grammar, you can pose them here. But you can also ask questions there 😉

[rigid cloak]

What is the best method to learn German speaking!?

[indigo bear]

If the question is related to the conversation (like if someone corrects you and you want more info from them about it), you can ask in #beginner-german . But if it's just a random unrelated question, or you want to make sure people see the question, ask here in #questions .

[winter kayak]

you might check out #resources or some of the faqs. (try #botchannel with commands like >faq best way to learn, I think there's a few others as well)

[rain hollow]

Should I give paper based or computer based exam for Telc B2?
Which one have most advantages?

For example: We can edit, copy-paste in computer based exam while writing. But can we mark/underline some text for getting context in computer based exam?

Or is there any chance of reviewing my answers with AI? Then maybe I will get less marks.

[winter kayak]

Whichever is your preference. In theory, this shouldn't affect the grade, and if there was a notable difference between online and paper scores empirically, I would expect a professional organisation like Telc to correct it.

[rigid cloak]

Vielen dank

[winter kayak]

how are you going to finish your bachelor if you move to Germany now?

also, this is a question for #1033125270217048246

[rain hollow]

I also feel its impossible, just asked casually. Thanks.

[jovial remnant]

(auf einer Party)

• kennst du jemand/jemanden hier?
• Nein, aber ich möchte mit jemandem/jeder/jedem sprechen!

-Du musst bitte deinen Teller spülen. es gib nur einen Teller für jede/jeden

Die fettgedruckten Texte sind correct, die durchgestrichene Texte dagegen sind dem Buch nach falsch. Ich vermute, das ist falsch. Habe ich recht?

[winter kayak]

Kennst du jemanden hier? -> correct
Kennst du jemand hier? -> also correct, as declining jemand is technically optional

Ich möchte mit jemandem sprechen! -> correct (I want to talk to someone)
ich möchte mit jedem sprechen! -> correct (I want to talk to everyone here)
Ich möchte mit jeder sprechen! -> correct if it's only women

es gibt nur einen Teller für jeden. -> correct
es gibt nur einen Teller für jede. -> correct if it's only women

are you sure the first option was jemand? Or was it jeden? It depends on the meaning of what you want to say

[jovial remnant]

well, I looked at the answers a couple of times and it says jemand is the correct answer for "kennst du ... hier"

[shadow wasp]

Hey guys any alternative to nicos weg course instead? It’s kinda hard

[edgy needle]

„Stille!“ gebot der Ephorus, und die Schüler saßen regungslos in den Bänken und sahen ihn erwartungsvoll an.

„Ihr Kamerad Hindinger“, fuhr er leise fort, „scheint in einem Weiher ertrunken zu sein. Sie müssen nun helfen, ihn zu suchen. Herr Professor Meyer wird Sie führen, Sie haben ihm pünktlich und wörtlich zu folgen und keinerlei eigenmächtige Schritte dabei zu tun.“

Erschrocken und flüsternd brach man auf, **den **Professor an der Spitze.

Warum "den" und nicht "der"? Warum Akkusativ?

[winter kayak]

What is difficult about it?

[shadow wasp]

I am not used to learning a language like it

[winter kayak]

well, that I don't get.

[winter kayak]

It's normal for it to be difficult, but is there something about Nico's Weg in particular that is giving you trouble? Could help inform a suggested alternative

[shadow wasp]

I really don’t know what to take notes since its just an online course

Its my first time 😭

[hollow umbra]

"Der" würde auch funktionieren. "Erschrocken und flüsternd brach man auf, der Professor [ging] an der Spitze."
Hier jedoch: "Erschrocken und flüsternd brach man auf, den Professor [plazierten sie] an der Spitze."

[scenic obsidian]

That's this weird thing where it's an aside set in accusative by itself, not because of a verb, but some things by themselves are set in accusative.

[scenic obsidian]

The children put the professor in front?

Or who is the "sie" referring to in "platzierten sie"?

[shadow wasp]

Actually the dw app doesn’t have any translations and when I do the exercises idk a shi

[scenic obsidian]

The dw app absolutely has translations.

[shadow wasp]

Mine doesnt lokk

Look

Its just deutsch/deutsch

[scenic obsidian]

You're literally on the first page, they will tell you what that all means if you simply keep going

They do 2 things:

1. they often give instructions first in English and then in German.

The highlighted sentences mean the same:

2. they will have new words with a little underline thing showing you can click on them to see a translation

They also often have a list of vocabulary with translations at the end of each lesson

If you look on literally the next page:

You can open up the script from the video and click on new words and see their translations.

[vocal zinc]

people who reached b2 and more whats your method of studying through books

im currentlly using a book that covers from b1 to c1, its mostly for übungsgrammatik

[shadow wasp]

Ohh thats why 😭 and umm any tips on how do I retain the information and umm how do I really take notes its my first time learning a language myself

[vocal zinc]

do you repeat exercises after completing them, write down new words into a notebook etc

[timid ether]

#questions message

[timid ether]

Some topics I personally repeated yeah, like Plusquamperfekt because it didn’t stick at first

[edgy needle]

ach

das ergibt sinn

[edgy needle]

Hammer doesn't disappoint

thanks a lot

it does actually make sense if I think about it now

[frigid tinsel]

A combination of try harder and don't be so hard on yourself. I know it's a contradiction but forgetting stuff is part of the learning process.

Try hard enough that you know you gave it your best.

But accept that you will forget and need review.

If you are remembering everything you learn, that's honestly a sign that you're probably going too slow, and should instead be covering more ground.

Memory also works in strange ways. Just because you forgot something today doesn't mean you'll forget it tomorrow

[spiral axle]

would it be right to say “ich brauche wasser jeden tag trinken” or “ich muss wasser jeden tag trinken” ? or does it not matter

[frigid tinsel]

The first sentence sounds wrong to me. But I'm bad with zu-infinitives.... It feels like you need "zu trinken" at the end there.

[vocal zinc]

thanks. nwoadays i feel like i cant learn even a letter let alone a word. i feel so overwhelmed its probably because of the stress. im in germany for 2 months and angry at myself for not being fluent by now. (i have a past learning experience). but i think i must admit i still need time.

[spiral axle]

i’ve seen verbs paired with zu, like “zu essen” or “zu nach hause” but why is there a zu there at all?

[hollow umbra]

Ich brauche jeden Tag Wasser. Oder: Ich muss jeden Tag Wasser trinken.

[vocal zinc]

zu is the equivalent of to in english

zu essen = to eat

[spiral axle]

but i thought the verb essen by itself was “to eat”

[vocal zinc]

while modal verbs dont require a zu other verbs do

[frigid tinsel]

Two different zu. zu infinitive is a verb concept. zu hause is a preposition

[vocal zinc]

eat is to eat itself

no okay let me rephrase it

you still need a "zu"

think essen like eating

if that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

zu-infinitives is B1 level. But verbs have many different forms. In this case it feels like zu is needed but I'm bad at explaining (and don't fully understand myself yet lol).

[spiral axle]

so when there’s a time/day in the sentence, its regularly in the beginning-ish?

[timid ether]

You’re in the best place to learn, just use the language as much as possible and you’ll be fine

[spiral axle]

so add a “zu” when a future action is in the sentence

like, i need to eat = ich muss zu essen

[hollow umbra]

Wasser brauche ich jeden Tag. Wasser muss ich jeden Tag trinken. These work too, but put special emphasis on the water (as opposed to some other drink)

[frigid tinsel]

No

[vocal zinc]

its the same as in english really

but u dont use zu with modal verbs

[spiral axle]

oh!!!!!

i understand it now

[vocal zinc]

möchten wollen müssen etc they dont take a zu

and brauchen is not a modal verb

[hollow umbra]

Except brauchen. "Wer 'brauchen' ohne 'zu' gebraucht, braucht 'brauchen' gar nicht zu gebrauchen."

[vocal zinc]

[scenic obsidian]

@hollow umbra going back to this, who does the "sie" in your "platzierten sie" refer to?

[spiral axle]

so js to reiterate: “ich brauche ein hemd zu kaufen”

that would be correct

[vocal zinc]

yea

[spiral axle]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[scenic obsidian]

Why not just use muss?

Ich brauche (noun)
Ich muss (verb)

Ich brauche ein Hemd.
Ich muss ein Hemd kaufen.

[spiral axle]

i’m js trying to get the rules of it down

[frigid tinsel]

This probably doesn't mean what you think it means.

If you are shirtless, and a cop says "no shirt no shoes no service"...

[round cobalt]

Don’t understand the use of da here

[hollow umbra]

No

[scenic obsidian]

As far as I'm aware, using brauchen + the zu Infinitive is mostly done in the negative?

https://learngerman.dw.com/de/brauchen-zu-infinitiv/l-38573517/gr-39134268

To say you aren't obligated to do something

[frigid tinsel]

It's like, you need THE SHIRT in order to perform shopping.

[scenic obsidian]

Du brauchst in diesem Restaurant kein Hemd zu tragen.

You don't have to wear a shirt in this restaurant.

[frigid tinsel]

VS: I need to shop (to find a shirt).

[spiral axle]

oh i get it now

[spiral axle]

so i should just follow this then, to not complicate it or confuse myself or others (?)

[scenic obsidian]

Da = because/seeing as

[scenic obsidian]

For now. Yes

[frigid tinsel]

Be familiar with zu-infinitives because they're really common.

Accept that it's a B1 level concept and the drills are at the B1 level.

[hollow umbra]

Hmm, it's not really true about the children taking the professor to the front, your explanation was better

[round cobalt]

I understand it as the day will come that you push away the last of your friends

[scenic obsidian]

The day will come (when you get overthrown), seeing as you are driving the last of your friends from your side...

[round cobalt]

Ohk

<@&305455824174710787>

[scenic obsidian]

The problem is, I'm no longer sure my own explanation works 😅

I found another source which says the absolute accusative is normally used to indicate a kind of possession

[round cobalt]

is it normal to use da so or it’s more for novels

[hollow umbra]

Yes, only negative, or with some sort of restriction, e.g. "Du brauchst die Mülltonne nur mittwochs rauszustellen."

[scenic obsidian]

If it helps, English often uses "since" where German uses "da"

The day will come, since you're driving the last of your friends from your side

I thought da was more colloquial, if anything?

[hollow umbra]

It's only in novels. "Der Tag, da..." sounds very formal, normal is "Der Tag, an dem".

[scenic obsidian]

Wait, so it's being used as a relative pronoun and I'm totally wrong?

[round cobalt]

ok, so for normal essays it would sound weird

[hollow umbra]

Or "Am Tag, als Conny Kramer starb"

[scenic obsidian]

I should have remembered this, it's listed in Hammer's:

[light lake]

not a question but just a general thank u for sticking with us german noobs here

i miss sophia (iykyk)

[ionic latch]

hi i cant send pictures but i have some A1 german homework and i cant figure out what necklace/locket is supposed to be. it's 5 letters long like this: __tt_

[frigid tinsel]

In German, the word for "chain" is often used as a necklace, bracelet, or similar.

[scenic obsidian]

https://www.dict.cc/?s=necklace

[frigid tinsel]

Lol, or that. I tried de.wiktionary.org first and it doesn't have the answer.

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/necklace

I had to go to chain to find the answer.

https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/chain

[tepid frigate]

what does the word leichter mean in this sentence

[astral yoke]

do you know the meaning of the opposite word (of leichter)?

[tepid frigate]

huh

idk what leichter means and i search up and it says lighter

[astral yoke]

and how would you translate lighter to the opposite?

[tepid frigate]

idk

lighter is something which starts fire

[astral yoke]

can rain be lighter?

[tepid frigate]

no

idk

what u mean

[astral yoke]

you're NOT searching for a noun here...

[tepid frigate]

oh

can it mean lighter as in weight

heavier then

surely

is the oppposite

[astral yoke]

GREAT!!!

[tepid frigate]

oh

so what does tht have to do with it

[astral yoke]

we get there in a bit:
Once again try and find all opposites of heavier you can imagine

[tepid frigate]

lighter

[astral yoke]

well that is obvious... anything else comes to mind?

[tepid frigate]

no

not immediately

[scenic obsidian]

leicht = easy

leichter = more easily

[tepid frigate]

oh

[scenic obsidian]

@tepid frigate https://www.dict.cc/?s=leichter

[tepid frigate]

idk why the google translate wasnt telling me that

[astral yoke]

and easy would also be the opposite of heavy....

[tepid frigate]

ohhh

[scenic obsidian]

Lesson learned: Don't rely on Google Translate

[tepid frigate]

yes

[scenic obsidian]

Use an actual dictionary

[tepid frigate]

fe

ty both

[astral yoke]

another problem is: translations that give you only ONE answer,
It's always a bit of ambiguity in language...

[scenic obsidian]

Dict.cc is a good English-German dictionary, btw

[tepid frigate]

ok

ty

[mellow blaze]

how would u say "fail" like wen people do something stupid

"epic fail..."

[frank falcon]

I'd probably say "(epic) fail" as well lol
But depending on the context you could use "verkacken" too
What are you trying to say?

[mellow blaze]

like "wats 1+1?"
Responder: "a window!"
Asker: "what an idiot....it's B"

therefore...."fail"

referring to the two idiots

[frank falcon]

I have absolutely no clue what you mean by that sorry

[astral yoke]

If you want to go ironic you can say:
Netter Versuch <-> nice try
Or you just compare:
Even my kids / grandparents could've done better <-> Sogar meine Oma / Tochter könnte das besser

[mellow blaze]

i guessed its used slangishly in eng

well how about if u say u're gonna build a fence

n u boast how well of a builder u r

n as soon as u put the final nail, the whole fence suddenly falls apart, like in cartoons

which people would say "wow fail" cuz u boasted how well u can build

[frank falcon]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/große Klappe, nichts dahinter

[frank falcon]

But Imo if you're talking to younger people fail works pretty well too

[mellow blaze]

so just use the english word fail

i was thinking wat german word would be used based on the context

Versager

or Reinfall

[astral yoke]

Reinfall could fit indeed...

[mellow blaze]

so wen someone does something stupid as well i could say , was ein Reinfall

[astral yoke]

you can double it with
größter Reinfall aller Zeiten <-> most epic fail ever

[mellow blaze]

ah

groesster Reinfall aller Zeiten

that sounds fun

yes i learned something new now!

[winter stream]

ive definitely heard 'verkackt!' as a response like this, but that is vulgar unlike the english one of course

[mellow blaze]

how about groesster Reinfall im Momente

[astral yoke]

not exactly

[mellow blaze]

so verkackt is like "f-uped"

[winter stream]

if its about hitting some target, people also say 'daneben'

[astral yoke]

You can say sth like:
Größter Reinfall des Tages/der Woche/des Monats/des Jahres

[mellow blaze]

but not groesster Reinfall des Moments

[astral yoke]

You better name how long that 'moment' is day/week/month/year

[mellow blaze]

how about groesster Reinfall dieses Moments

would say this moment

than some random one

[tawny fractal]

sounds akward, in english too no ? biggest fail of this moment (?)

[astral yoke]

I'd name the moment like
Größter Reinfall der Stunde
bc a moment dulls the message,
a moment is gone and the next moment comes, so you could have a series of greatest fails continuously
BUT maybe that's just me 🤷‍♂️

[tawny fractal]

yea sounds off

'Ein Schuss in den Ofen' fällt mir sonst noch ein, das haben Team Rocket in Pokemon immer gesagt, als die weggeflogen sind 😂

[hollow umbra]

Eine Riesenpleite, Hornberger Schießen, Satz mit X: War wohl nix

[tawny fractal]

Satz mit X: War wohl nix 😂 wir haben auch echt dämliche Sprüche manchmal hahah

[astral yoke]

Ich glaube, dass der Reinfall wirklich dem 'feeling' beim 'fail' am nächsten kommt!

[mellow blaze]

how do u say cringy

[scenic obsidian]

cringy

[timid ether]

cringe

[mellow blaze]

thats it?

just cringe? not german word?

or is it like kringe

[scenic obsidian]

Germans borrow English words all the time, especially popular words like "cringe"

[frigid tinsel]

The real question, is how do you conjugate cringe, and what is its gender?

The all too common "man downloadet / du downloadest" question.

[scenic obsidian]

cringe is an adjective

Normally, you don't need to decline it

Das ist cringe.

[mellow blaze]

cringah or crinj?

[winter stream]

krindsch

[mellow blaze]

so like english

[winter stream]

jupp

[astral yoke]

Sag mal, cringe ist nicht wirklich annähernd ein deutsches Wort und bloß weil Generation Alpha's das verstehen, oder zu verstehen glauben ist das noch lange nicht für andere verstehbar! 🤯 🤔
Wenn ich Google translate frage, kommt schaudern als Ergebnis. Wieso ist das dann nicht die Antwort, sondern nur cringe ist cringe auf Deutsch?

[scenic obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FragReddit/comments/t44399/was_ist_euer_liebster_anglizismus/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FragReddit/comments/11mjsby/was_habt_ihr_als_kind_getan_wo_euch_heute_bewusst/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FragReddit/comments/sjhym5/warum_ist_der_ganze_bewerbungsablauf_so/

[winter stream]

na die Frage ist halt nicht nach dem wortwörtlichen Sinne, sondern halt eben dem umgangssprachlichen Sinne

wenn niemand "boah Bruder das ist voll zum Schaudern" sagt, ist es eben nicht wirklich die richtige Übersetzung

[scenic obsidian]

"schaudern" ist eher ein Verb, "cringe" wird hauptsächlich als Adjektiv benutzt. Was wäre das deutsche Adjektiv da?

[scenic obsidian]

Was ist, wenn wir Deutschlerner sowas sagen würden? 😄

[frigid tinsel]

In English it comes from the verb to cringe.

[winter stream]

ob man jetzt hier von 'gutem Deutsch' reden will oder nicht, ist für diesen Zweck ja eher zweitrangig

[winter stream]

ich fände das in dem Fall lustig und nicht völlig unverständlich, aber naja

[frigid tinsel]

But that makes sense that maybe only the adjective form, popularized by the internet, made it to Germany....

[astral yoke]

Und du glaubst ernsthaft dass Menschen über - sagen wir mal - 40 ALLE sagen würden das ist cringe anstatt schauderhaft/eklig/grässlich?
@scenic obsidian

[winter stream]

i mean we can question what the point of german learners wanting to have translations for various english social codes is, but i mean it's young-to-young communication for the equivalent german peer group, and they do say it, so whatever

[winter stream]

wat?

[astral yoke]

so rum...

[winter stream]

theres not a strong, independent (youth-)cultural reference for 'cringe' as like a reified idea

[frigid tinsel]

Das ist so cringend

[winter stream]

i would simply not refer to the idea of 'cringe' either

[scenic obsidian]

Reified?

[winter stream]

but evaluate something by some other cultural norm

[astral yoke]

So you mean you're teaching young foreigners to understand young Germans and older ppl don't matter at ALL!!!

[scenic obsidian]

Wenn es menschliches Verhalten ist, wäre es eher schauderhaft, eklig, oder grässlich?

Oder peinlich?

[astral yoke]

Ich meine das kommt auf den Kontext an...

[scenic obsidian]

I think they're saying the very nature of the question presupposes that the target is a youth audience anyway, not that they personally are trying to exclude older people

[scenic obsidian]

Dein Freund nennt die Lehrerin aus Versehen, "Mutti"

[astral yoke]

I think that's just what's happening bc of a let's say less mindfullness of the younger ones...

[winter stream]

im saying that if learner want to know how an idea in their life is talked about by corresponding people in german society, i can give them an answer even if the idea in question is an object of youth culture

[winter stream]

"made into a thing" uh what i mean is the human habit of turning a diffuse experience into a 'recognisable concept' that people talk about as if it existed in some obvious discrete sense

[astral yoke]

With that you're saying, cringe is ONLY a word that a youth generation would use (which is not true) and therefore you're narrowing your answers down and are SOLELY understood by younger ppl 🤷‍♂️

[winter stream]

is this too deep into the matter for this channel? undoubtedly. but i think it approaches a technically accurate way of interacting with this question

[winter stream]

well older english speakers arent in the habit of saying "man thats cringe" either, they talk about their discomfort with something in different words and frame it in different ways too

i think its more effort to try to in some way 'deconstruct' the idea behind 'cringe' in the youth slang sense to then give an answer that lets people express their idea in a more recogniseably, tradiert/established way in german, than is necessary

[mellow blaze]

schauderend work?

[winter stream]

i mean you can say '(das ist) zum Fremdschämen' some amount of the time

[astral yoke]

Sure they aren't using cringe and THAT is MY point, they would of course use German words that would fit... 🤷‍♂️

[winter stream]

Meister ich verstehe nur bedingt, wo das Problem liegt 🫠

[mellow blaze]

so would schauderend work?

[winter stream]

its highly unnatural to slot in 'schaudernd' for 'cringe' where you use cringe as a young internet-faring english speaker...

[tulip meteor]

Is this just about the word cringe specifically?

[winter stream]

it doesnt get across why you schauder - not out of fear, but because someone violated some social expectation

[mellow blaze]

how about eklig?

we're trying to find a german word/s that equivalate cringe

[tulip meteor]

that's a really weird point ngl

peinlich

zum Schämen

[mellow blaze]

peinlich sounds good

[tulip meteor]

But in like 99 % of cases ... cringe/cringy, yeah

[mellow blaze]

does eklig work

[tulip meteor]

I wouldn't say so

[mellow blaze]

like awkwardly detestable

but peinlich seems quite fitting

[astral yoke]

Okay, lass es uns auf englisch versuchen zu beleuchten, damit es ALLE verstehen:
If a person asks what word could I use instead of cringe in German and you use 'cringe' as an answer, what's happening?
The asking person thinks EVERY German would understand the meaning of cringe which is NOT the case!

[winter stream]

im not convinced by this premise!

:p

[tulip meteor]

Yeah me neither

[weak geode]

beschämend?

[mellow blaze]

ooo taht sounds fancy

beschaemend

[winter stream]

i think a valid assumption may be made that a somewhat socially aware youngun is going to infer that if my translation for an english slang word that older english speakers dont even use that way is the sameself english word, then its going to be localised to youth culture in german too

[weak geode]

yuh

[tulip meteor]

Like I get the point and I do agree that this might be the case for a subset of people, but I a) in most situations where you would use cringe, it's probably with a speaker who does understand it and b) I think most people understand that the majority of loanwords aren't necessarily understood by older generations

[astral yoke]

soo, let's just fire up DWDS and look up cringe and cringy... I'm quite sure the findings would support my point of view...

[tulip meteor]

Like there's a whole debate in English where purists argue that "cringe" cannot be used as an adjective in English because it used to be just a verb

[winter stream]

ich bin gleich mal kurz weg, mein Telefon ist fast alle, aber wir können von mir aus gerne - auch in Direktnachrichten - weiter darüber reden

[mellow blaze]

cringy would be the adj form

[tulip meteor]

Yeah and they used specifically cringy

[mellow blaze]

based on that then there needs to be equivalents to cringy and cringe

[tulip meteor]

Whose popularity is rather recent

[mellow blaze]

adj n verb

i guess schaudern would work for the verb form

peinlich n beschaemend would be cringy

[astral yoke]

there we go: JUGENDSPRACHE (all others excluded):
https://www.dwds.de/wb/cringe

[mellow blaze]

the adj form

[tulip meteor]

I think the common translation is (fremd)schämen

Nobody is arguing it isn't

This isn't adding to your point any further

[mellow blaze]

ooo that one seems good too

fremdschaemen

i guess that be a noun form

[sleek pebble]

that would be fremdscham

fremdschämen is a verb

[mellow blaze]

oh

that would be consistently easier

fremdschaemen and fremdscham

verb n noun

[winter stream]

well you're not going to translate 'that's cringe' as 'das fremdschämt', just to be clear

it's 'das ist zum fremdschämen'

[mellow blaze]

wat about das ist fremdscham

[winter stream]

hm that doesnt sound quite natural in this use

[mellow blaze]

or fremdschaemend

[astral yoke]

das ist zum fremdschämen...
Where's the problem???

[mellow blaze]

das ist fremdschaemend

cant use gerund form?

[astral yoke]

you'd rather use: Das ist beschämend.

[tulip meteor]

I don't think there's really a problem with that

[astral yoke]

with what exactly?

[mellow blaze]

then y not use beschaemen as the verb

[tulip meteor]

Though if you're in a situation where you can just use cringe(y), it's probably the more native-like variant

[tulip meteor]

.

[astral yoke]

no, it's an adjective...

[winter stream]

in welchem Sinne

1. meinst du „das ist kein Grund cringe zu benutzen“? das sollte es nicht sein, ich wollte nur die richtige Verwendung klarstellen, weil manche jetzt schon möglicherweise irreführend erwähnt haben, dass cringe ein Verb ist (ja ist es, aber nicht im Satztyp „that's cringe“, wo es tatsächlich als Adjektiv fungiert)
2. meinst du „warum hast du das nicht früher als Übersetzung angeboten“? ja bitte, verständlicher Einwand, allein ich habe das Gespräch ja nicht begonnen, ich habe mich erst eingeklinkt, als es um die Frage nach der Aussprache des Lehnwortes ging, und das Lehnwort findet rein faktisch Verwendung unter jungen Leuten, selbst wenn es aus mancherlei Standpunkten vielleicht eine nicht zu bevorzugende Übersetzung darstellen mag

[mellow blaze]

but beschaemen is also a verb

[astral yoke]

Be careful with that: jemanden beschämen would work but not beschämen on it's own

[winter stream]

„das beschämt“ just sounds off in this context. you'd simply use the participle for better or worse

i mean you can say it, it sounds very high-register to me

[mellow blaze]

wat about "das beschaemt sich"

[winter stream]

not with sich

you caaan say das beschämt mich, das beschämt sie, but those sound very formal and old fashioned to me

[mellow blaze]

i guess then das ist shamlos

[winter stream]

i would not say that normally, i might write it in a book

[mellow blaze]

or doesnt carry the same weight

[weak geode]

schreib einfach nur cringe

[astral yoke]

Naja, da habe ich schon vorher erklärt:
cringe (engl) is NOT cringe (German) but only cringe (Jugendsprache)

[winter stream]

cringe (engl.youth speak) is cringe (DE.Jungedsprache), we do agree on this

merely i think translating like to like is not per se misleading

[mellow blaze]

pretty much cringe is adopted by the youth under the english definition of it

but means nothing to older people

[winter stream]

both languages have different... linguistic social milieus? for lack of a better word for 'register'

[weak geode]

im more than sure that in other European languages ​​the word cringe is also used and there is no particular problem with it

[astral yoke]

and therefore you HAVE TO learn other meanings ...Except you ONLY want to communicate to ppl of your generation...

[mellow blaze]

hence i was going for a german way of doing it

wouldnt sound as hip

[winter stream]

to be sure, learning how to talk with „normal people“, so to say, rather than people immersed in youth culture is a valuable and necessary skill to learn in language learning, i dont disagree at all

[weak geode]

thats normal

[mellow blaze]

but u no it regersters to almost everyone

[winter stream]

i just think it is also fine to give translations that are social group specific if it can reasonably be read out of the question, which i think it can

[astral yoke]

I think it showed in my post with DWDS:
Young ppl might understand it, BUT not ppl of ALL ages and that's my point...

[mellow blaze]

so....then we've established beschaemend and fremdsham as the equivalents

[weak geode]

i get it

languages ​​evolve and add more and more new words to their vocabularies, so this is normal

[mellow blaze]

or fremdschaemen verb

beschaemen the adj

so das fremdschaemt

?

no wait

[astral yoke]

SORRY to all BUT I'm only trying to make you aware that learning a language is not only to communicate with ppl of your age, BUT with all ppl and there we are... 🤷‍♂️

[mellow blaze]

das ist beschaemen

[astral yoke]

beschämend^^

[mellow blaze]

das ist beschaemend

[winter stream]

i think you realistically use fremdschämen just as a nominalised infinitive

[weak geode]

new words gradually push old ones out of use and so on in a circle

[winter stream]

or atleast that's as good as accurate for learning purposes

new words dont always push out older ones, they often just disappear into the void again tbh

certainly the half life of 'slang' is often not great

[mellow blaze]

then again it think "Cringe" as a verb is rarely used in english

its usually the adj cringy thats used

unless its asking how u reacted

hast du fremdschaemt?

[weak geode]

with each generation new words appear and old ones disappear, so yes

[astral yoke]

hast du dich fremdgeschämt...

[mellow blaze]

i didnt no fremd was a prefix separatable

hast du dich fremdgeschaemt

[winter stream]

if this comes from a place of frustration with people on this server often being very immersed in a youth slang speaking bubble, i understand that. but i dont go into every conversation with the hopes of trying to like... Leute dafür zu sensibilisieren, mit dem Ottonormalbürger reden zu wollen, wenn se den Drang dazu garnicht in sich spüren. mer kann net allen helfen

[weak geode]

and new words just appear to describe something new that has appeared in the world, for example, the word tablet is relatively new

[winter stream]

well yeah you always have some new gains and some losses in the active or passive vocabulary of an age, thats not the point im making though, rather there's no guarantee people will still say any given bit of youth slang in 10 or 20 years

[winter stream]

a Wörter und Sachen approach to language is not really the driver of changes in how people talk about emotions tbh but yeah

[mellow blaze]

i mean u could always call a tablet a "Komputerplanke"

how about "hast du dich beschaemt"?

[weak geode]

thats true

[astral yoke]

Hmm, maybeeee that's my cue then, making everyone aware that it's not only ppl in their twens talking to ones of their kind 🤷‍♂️
THAT wouldn't be standard German...

[mellow blaze]

or beschaemen cant be used that way

[pliant scarab]

calling Digga a coworker sounds disrespecful, doesnt it?

[winter stream]

what do you mean now?

if you're thinking of calling your mates Kollege, this is extremely normal

[astral yoke]

Look I start to cringe when ppl start to address others as DIGGA... for me that's NO WAY to address others but there we go...

[lone nexus]

I thanked someone for something earlier and got the response, "Der geht doch fast immer". I'm having trouble understanding the meaning of "der geht doch".

[mellow blaze]

so can we say "hast du dich beschaemt, als du das gehoeren hast"

[pliant scarab]

I dont really know either use the word, but I have that feeling yeah

[astral yoke]

No you would ask:
Hast du dich (fremd)geschämt, als du das das gehört hast...

[mellow blaze]

bernie hat sich beschaemt/fremdgeschaemt, wenn er das gehoeren hat

so i cant use beschaemen, the verb

only the adj

n i cant use fremdschaemend the adj

only the verb

thats strange....

[astral yoke]

Bernie hat sich (fremd)geschämt, als er das Wort gehört hat...

[mellow blaze]

not wenn? in the case of all the time

i always thought wenn was an almost all the time implyment

n als was a specific time

[astral yoke]

This would be:
Bermie schämt sich (fremd), (jedes Mal) wenn er das Wort hört

[mellow blaze]

oh

ok that makes sense

i didnt no fremd was a separate prefix

its not even a normal prefix

[astral yoke]

See, and that's how you're learning here 🥳

[mellow blaze]

n with these discussions/debates

we all learn

still....i dont understand y beschaemen cant be used....

how diff is the meaning compared to fremdschaemen

[astral yoke]

and I appreciate that very much! 👏 🙇‍♂️

[mellow blaze]

is beschaemen kind of like "disgusting n distasteful shame"

n fremdschaemen is awkwardly weird shame?

but beschaemend the gerund adj can be used

[pliant scarab]

ich hab so viel drüber gelesen und möchte auch eine kurze Frage dazu stellen: [fremd]schämen wurde mit "to cringe" verglichen. Also ist da genauso so wie "to cringe", Wort die eigentlich bedeutet "sich peinlich fühlen, wegen etwas das ich nicht getan habe" oder halt "sich peinlich fuhlen"?

[mellow blaze]

but i cant do the gerund adj with fremdschaemen

[astral yoke]

FREMDschämen is being weirded out bc of others....

[mellow blaze]

o

so the verb itself means due to others

[astral yoke]

you get it^^

[pliant scarab]

das ist es. Danke.

[mellow blaze]

but cant it be an adj form, its a foreign influenced shame

[weak geode]

geht doch means approximately like there we go

[mellow blaze]

or thats just a mouthful to think, therefore doesnt flow easy with the head than just beschaemend, which is shame

das ist beschaemend, das ist fremdschaemend

[astral yoke]

Let's look at schämen, beschämt sein beschämend... OK?

[mellow blaze]

ok

[astral yoke]

sth is beschämend: its nothing said abt who initiated this feeling, ok?

[mellow blaze]

but cant fremdschaemend "imply" it that someone did

[astral yoke]

I made a mistake that's beschämend. (it's me in this case)

someone (not me) made that mistake. it's still beschämend.

[mellow blaze]

then in that case, cant it imply that a foreign influence caused it

ok....

[astral yoke]

Another person behaved 'wrong' can be beschämend or can be zum Fremdschämen...

[mellow blaze]

but y not fremdschaemend

a gerund form like the other one

unless wen u say "das ist beschaemend" it can be either ur fault or another person's

but das is fremdschaemend is only someone else's fault

[lone nexus]

I'm not sure I understand it in this context, then. (I was thanking someone for coffee.)

[astral yoke]

But if someone makes sth obvious wrong I CAN say:
Ich schäme mich (für diese Person) <-> for said person
which is als a form of
fremdschämen...

[mellow blaze]

..

[pliant scarab]

ach. "sich schämen" geht doch nicht, wenn ich mich selbst verirrt habe?
Ich dachte es wäre anders als [fremd]schämen

[mellow blaze]

but i still dont get y u cant say fremdschaemend

[astral yoke]

Doch:
I made a mistake, and I should have known better -> Ich schäme mich (für mich)!

[mellow blaze]

das ist fremdschaemend

[astral yoke]

Because of the relations who is ashamed of whom...

[mellow blaze]

oh so fremdschamen is shame of "blank"

not "shame"

the prefix forces a need for filler

[astral yoke]

It's I'm (utterly) ashamed bc OTHERS behaved terribly wrong!

[mellow blaze]

worn?

oh so its closer to fremdschaemen is being ashamed

of something by others

but beschaemen is being shame

[astral yoke]

so ich schäme mich (for myself/for others)

[mellow blaze]

but fremdschaemen has an implyment of ur involvment

vs beschaemen is just shaming

doesnt have to be invovled with u right?

[astral yoke]

Ich bin beschämt (bc I did sth wrong/bc others did sth wrong)

[mellow blaze]

ich bin schaemt fremd

[astral yoke]

Fremdschämen is ALWAYS sth OTHERS did wrong

[mellow blaze]

i did nothing wrong but others did

[astral yoke]

Ich schäme mich für...

[mellow blaze]

so from the pov of das ist fremdschaemend

makes no sense cuz "das" is the one that did the shame

that would make sense then

wow that took a while to grasp

vielen dank

[pliant scarab]

sounds like a big W

[astral yoke]

maybe I'm not the best at explaining grammar, but we get there... 🤷‍♂️

[astral yoke]

🤔

[pliant scarab]

nichts, wofür sich man schämen soll 😎

[astral yoke]

Ja, manchmal wünschte ich, ich könnte Grammatik einfacher erklären, aber meistens finde ich genügend Beispiele...

[pliant scarab]

ich fand es Super

[thin pollen]

Can someone explain how mit anpacken work?

[winter stream]

i can only guess what the issue is but presumably the 'problem' is that mit isnt the preposition of the object, but rather functions like an adverb 'together with us'

so you might say Pack mal mit an! which for practical purposes translates into english as 'Come lend us(/them/whoever) a hand' or 'Come help us here' but would be very awkward to translate word for word into english because you just dont phrase things the same way

'Ich packe beim Umzug meines Nachbarn mit an' - what this communicates is 'I help my neighbour moving/with his move', but more literally and in worse english it's something like "I grip(anpacken) along(mit) at/during my neighbour's move"

anpacken is to grip something, so the idea is typically you help with some physically demanding task, you help someone move something heavy for example
and the mit 'with' is used like an adverb and means doing something along someone, with someone, together with someone, in addition to someone else

but there's no noun that's explicitly added to it, you just do it 'along, together, too'

[scenic obsidian]

How do you translate that? "Ich hätte das niemals anfassen dürfen"

My first thought is, "I should've never touched that." but that's "hätte...sollen", right? I still don't get the difference between hätte dürfen, hätte sollen, and hätte müssen.

The best I know is that hätte müssen is stronger than hätte sollen.... I think?

[mellow blaze]

i would guess duerfen would give a sense of its all "someone's " fualt for u being stupid

i think sollen implies a morale code n therefore its "ur" own fault

i would think muessen implies its definitely all "ur" fault

[winter stream]

id say in this use, think about the obligation that dürfen normally entails coming from present-me talking to past-me

'i should've never touched that' is a perfectly fine translation, whatever difference there is between this sentence and 'ich hätte das niemals anfassen sollen' can be ignored for translation purposes.

i find in this context dürfen might be stronger than sollen (“i shouldnt have even been allowed/able to do that at a baseline level of possiblity”, rather than “i should not have done it given the option to”)

but i dont think it's a particularly relevant distinction to make between these two possible sentences

[winter stream]

this is true when not negated, to be clear.

Sie hätte das machen dürfen - She would have been allowed to do that. (does not entail any obligation to act, it would merely have been possible)

Sie hätte das machen sollen - She should have done that / She ought to have done that. (this can be advice or an order, the strength of this is anywhere in the 'middle')

Sie hätte das machen müssen - She should have done that / ought to have done that. (this entails a necessity or strong obligation)

english regrettably doesnt have an unambiguous way to distinguish the hypothetical/irrealis counterparts of 'You should do that' and 'You must do that'. you annoyingly can't say "she should have must to do that" because english modal verbs dont have infinitives and participles.

when negated, it's:

Sie hätte das nicht machen müssen. - She wouldn't have had to do that, she didn't need to do that. (no obligation to do something, but also no prohibition to do something)

Sie hätte das nicht machen sollen. - She shouldn't have done that / she ought not have done that. (it would've been better if she hadn't. this can be a little better, this can be much better.)

Sie hätte das nicht machen dürfen. - She should not/ought not have done that. (it would've been much better had she not, can even imply it should've even been impossible or forbidden)

the big difference between german and english of course is how the negated and non-negated versions of modals relate to one another.
in english 'must' expresses the extreme degree of both obligation to do something and, when negated, obligation not to do something.
in german, müssen is instead only for whether you have a positibe obligation to do something. du musst - there is an obligation to act. du musst nicht - there is no obligation to act (and neither is there a prohibition against acting).

this doesnt change significantly between hypotheticals and non-hypotheticals in german, but - ive never thought about this before - i guess english doesnt distinguish 'should' and 'must' equivalents in hypotheticals

[scenic obsidian]

She needed to have done that?

[winter stream]

aha yes, thats the one

[scenic obsidian]

We use weird replacements for our modal shit a lot

[winter stream]

can you negate this obligation?

She needed not to have done that is just the absence of a positive one, not a prohibition, right?

[scenic obsidian]

She didn't need to do that

Idk if that's the same

"She need not have done that" works

Sounds a bit old fashioned, though

[winter stream]

but is there something that unambiguously a counterfactual prohibition? rather than a counterfactual 'would have been good if'?

[scenic obsidian]

Didn't need/need not is absence of obligation, yeah

[winter stream]

because counterfactual prohibition is the thing in your screenshot

[scenic obsidian]

Explain "counterfactual prohibition"

[winter stream]

'it would have been imperative for me not to do that'

[scenic obsidian]

She needed to have done that, no?

Oh, to NOT do it

She needed to not do that?

[winter stream]

i suppose so

[winter stream]

thats "kinda" what the german there is

[scenic obsidian]

I'm much better at distinguishing German modal stuff than English

[winter stream]

but that in effect just means "i really really shouldnt have done this"

so whatever i guess. as i said i dont think theres a huge difference between "hätte nicht sollen" and "hätte nicht dürfen" in this context

[scenic obsidian]

Is there a big difference in any other context you can think of?

[winter stream]

only when discussing something legalistic

like permissions in some official context

but here where its just different degree of doing a wrong thing

it doesnt matter much

[winter stream]

like uh. i can think of situations where someone might have made some costly mistake by pressing some button, for example.
you could say "er hätte es nicht machen dürfen" to imply he shouldnt even have been able to do that (so something went wrong elsewhere, before this accident)
something like '(by law) he didnt have the authority to do this to begin with'

whereas "er hätte es nicht machen sollen" may merely conclude that the fault lies with the person who pressed the button

or a politician stepping outside the law. not only ought they not have done it (it was bad), er hätte es garnicht tun dürfen (because it was actually illegal)

[mellow blaze]

in a small sense, it matches wat i thought they meant

[jovial jackal]

hey guys, just to make sure i'm not tripping, is this correct:
A: was ist dein Benutzername?
B: (gibt seinen Benutzername)
B: was ist deins?

[old bramble]

yes

[astral yoke]

last line must be:
wie ist denn deiner...
@old bramble

[old bramble]

tut mir leid, habe mich hierzu nur auf die beiden oberen nachrichten bezogen

[astral yoke]

auch da ist das 'was' mindestens komisch 🤔

[old bramble]

wie sonst? mit "wie"?

[astral yoke]

Würdest du fragen: Was ist dein Name?

[old bramble]

1000%

Umgangssprachlich halt

[astral yoke]

Interessant, und die Leute die hier Deutsch lernen wollen sollen zuerst mal Umgangssprache lernen?

[round cobalt]

So it’s a replacement for als? so my initial understanding was correct?

[light leaf]

besuchen sie uns doch
whats the point of DOCH and what does it mean here and alone as a word

[livid crown]

what is the benifit from gegenüber here?

[molten plank]

Whats the equivalent of bless you in German?

[winter kayak]

the translation is not right. It means that house number 84 is directly across from the standpoint of the speaker.

[winter kayak]

Gesundheit

[livid crown]

okay thank you

[jovial remnant]

wegen laut(en) Verkehrs
wegen defekt(er) Bahn

I am really confused here with "wegen + Genitiv"

wegen (des) lauten Verkehrs (des is omitted - so "lauten Verkehrs" makes sense from this perspective)
wegen (der) defekten Bahn (from this perspective "wegen defekter Bahn" doesn't make sense)

what is happening here?

[winter kayak]

they're not omitted, it's simply nouns without articles. There are special declination rules without articles. Genitive masculine/neutral no article is -en, genitive plural/feminine no article is -er

[quasi garden]

I am just learning German from scratch. I want to improve my German skills. What material should I study, approximately? In order.

[light lake]

check pinned messages

[cedar sand]

jungs

bist du frei oder hast du frei? (weiß schon die beides geht aber welche passt am besten wie in Eng “are you free”)

[surreal ocean]

Kommt auf den Kontext an

Beide haben verschiedene Bedeutungen

[simple gyro]

Can u guys hear what i said… haha
Embarrassing haha
My 2nd day…

||desutchland von oben||

I like this guys voice in this documentary

https://youtu.be/EUD511ROE-E?si=vCQZ62k4GLS7ywqg

[cedar sand]

dieselbe bedeutung wie “are you free” in Englisch

[thick galleon]

hallo Leute. ich lerne gerade B1 und habe eine Frage - das Wort "mal" verwirrt mich. was kann es bedeuten? ich kenne "times" (e.g. dreimal). aber was noch?

[frigid tinsel]

mal is also a particle, a word that doesn't match a traditional definition (not a noun, not a verb, not a preposition...).

Ex: "Gluck mal", mal here is a modifier of sorts on the Imperitive to make it more polite (or, a command from parent to child).

The particles are perhaps the hardest words to describe because they have very little meaning by themselves and instead act more like modifiers or changes to the feeling of a sentence.

[weak geode]

mal can be also mean once in word einmal

[frigid tinsel]

Fortunately, particles are reasonably easy to understand in context and a bit of practice.

[weak geode]

and nun mal is used to express that a situation or fact is unchangeable and must be accepted

[weak geode]

functioning similarly to eben or halt

but it all depends on the context ofc

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah, that's the hard part about particles.... Context.

[thick galleon]

that was it, I believe - most frequently used without a seemingly particular meaning, but used for something i hadnt realized yet

[weak geode]

you need to spend a lot of time with the language to understand the context with particles

[thick galleon]

yeah i should get the hang of it eventually

thanks to both

[tulip meteor]

Practise your A

It needs to be more open

Rest is very good

[glacial crag]

"Wie geht das Deutschlernen?"

Kann ich in diesem Fall "geht" statt "läuft" oder "verläuft" verwenden?

[weak geode]

man kann es in diesem Fall durch das Wort läuft ersetzen, aber verläuft wird in einem anderen Kontext dieses Wortes verwendet

[glacial crag]

Also heißt das, dass ich hier weder geht noch verläuft verwenden kann? damn =(

dann merk ich mir das und benutze ab jetzt nur das Verb "laufen", danke!

[surreal ocean]

"Are you free" has two potential meanings in English

As in, "do you have free time?" and "are you out of jail/are you unafflicted"

"Hast du frei" refers to free time, "bist du frei" does not

Perhaps I am wrong but I have not encountered frei sein being used that way

Usually you say or hear "hast du heute/morgen/am Wochenende frei" not "bist du"

Okay, for example...you could say "für eine Stunde frei sein" but tbh I would just say "ich habe eine Stunde Zeit"

[sacred ravine]

Curious about comprehensible input -- I've been watching "Learn German with Falk"

He speaks incredibly clear Hochdeutsch slightly above my comprehension (sort of in the sweet spot for CI of 80-90% comprehension if I have it on in the car/background without subs), but it's VERY slow. I'm sort of concerned about the speed of his speech relative to native content or even learner content like Nicos Weg: Should overly slow CI content be avoided or is it fine if one is still a beginner (Learning at the A2 level here -- Not at a "could pass an A2 exam" degree of comprehension/production here, but I would be able to easily pass an A1 exam)

[winter kayak]

I don't see why it would be bad. You can always supplement with stuff at normal speed.

[cedar sand]

are you free in terms of time

that makes it clear though, thanks

[hollow umbra]

"Wie läuft das Deutschlernen?" Oder "Wie geht's mit dem Deutschlernen?" Sind beide gut. "Wie geht das Deutschlernen?" klingt eher wie "how does it work too learn German?"

[glacial crag]

achso, sehr gut zu wissen dass man "mit dem" benutzen kann

Danke für die zusätzlichen Informationen, den zweiten Satz schreibe ich jetzt auf

[surreal ocean]

Yeah

It's actually a separable verb too

Freihaben

[mellow blaze]

so itd be ich habe 2 Stunde frei

[frigid tinsel]

My teacher confusingly says that: "Ich habe Frei", and "Ich habe Zeit" are both correct.

But never "ich habe Freizeit".

Uggghhhhh

[winter stream]

this is true :p

[frigid tinsel]

I think these are the things that scare me most about German.

What makes sense to my American brain might be very very wrong.

[winter stream]

i'm free 👍
i have time 👍
i have time for leisure 🤔

[timid ether]

Don’t forget the Auslautverhärtung

[hollow umbra]

And both mean sliiiightly different things

Ich habe frei means I have no work. Ich habe Zeit means I'm doing nothing. Ich habe frei, aber keine Zeit, because I have other plans. Ich habe Zeit, aber ich habe nicht frei, uh, I'm slacking off at work..?

[hollow umbra]

https://youtu.be/VdrjQg9DN-A?t=58m8s Also Herr Toi, a propos Wochenende, das habe ich nur für die Agentur getan. Normalerweise habe ich auch Freizeit.

[zenith talon]

Should I learn the conjugation for each irregular verb

[glacial crag]

yeah you should, but remember to start with high frequency verbs first

Example:
nehmen
nimmt (this is the er/sie/es form)
nahm (präteritum)
hat genommen (past perfekt)

It's also a good idea to learn high frequency verbs first. You'll forget a couple of forms as time goes by but it's perfectly fine, you'll reinforce them with lots of input

[marsh wharf]

Es gibt ein Satz: "..., obwohl nichts Derartiges geplant gewesen war"
Gibt es eine Bedeutungsänderung, wenn ich sage es durch Vorgangspassiv: "..., obwohl nichts Derartiges geplant worden war"?

[glacial crag]

Oh I just noticed that I mentioned high frequency verbs twice... .-.

[zenith talon]

Got it, ty. Is there a list somewhere in the resources?

[wintry dagger]

does anyone here play counterstrike? im english native looking for german who knows english and german to play with and learn off of, ive been taking classes for german 6 days now

[indigo bear]

#gaming

[light lake]

Bro why do they say the answer is hatte hier? who puts plusquam perfect in A1 material ? also was i supposed to get it from context since the speaker is talking about the past? i feel u could say habe hier and be ok

[scenic obsidian]

If you keep going to 31, what would you put there?

And then how would you translate the sentences into English?

Also, some more context (like showing literally even 1 sentence either side of the actual sentence) always helps

[light lake]

war

[scenic obsidian]

okay, and how do you translate that whole thing with 30 and 31 into English?

[light lake]

i already heard that, but i was always skeptic whether yada yad a

[scenic obsidian]

I had already heard that before, but earlier I was always skeptical, whether...

[light lake]

still crazy to put plusquamperfekt in what is supposed to be an A1 section (im redoing the whole book)

[scenic obsidian]

so we are talking about a time that's before the past, a past before the past, which is Plusquamperfekt

[light lake]

i know i just didnt think they would put it there

[scenic obsidian]

Also, what's the prior sentence?

[light lake]

In Berlin ist "Fassbrause" sehr beliebt.

i mean

i get in retrospect why is plusquam

but like

[scenic obsidian]

A1 does seem a bit early for this

[light lake]

i sitll feel like u could get away with perfekt

but fair

i mean plusquam wasnt even on my radar to use

i feel sucky because i know a lot of grramar (conceptually) and i need a lot of time to gain the vocabulary to use it

[scenic obsidian]

I guess practice the vocab, then

[light lake]

on it

its gonna suck

"Ich muss den Computer runterfahren" is ausschalten only for lights or something ? or it carries different nuance?

[astral yoke]

Computer ausschalten works as well... not really special nuances here 🤷‍♂️

[tulip meteor]

Okay sorry for memeing <@&305455824174710787> seize them

[tardy mason]

Ich lese ein deutsches Buch über die Geschichte der Elektrizität und es enthält das Verb "fernübertragen", kann es aber nirgendwo finden in meinen Wörterbüchern oder in online Wörterbüchern finden. Was bedeutet es und wie verwendet man es?

ich werde mal versuchen, einen Beispielsatz zu finden

"[von Guericke] wußte, daß es sich hier um Elektrizität handelte und wußte auch schon, daß sich die elektrische Wirkung fernübertragen läßt."

Für mehr Kontext: Das "hier" bezieht sich auf das Leuchten einer Schwefelkugel, indem man daran mit trockener Hand reibt.

[astral yoke]

Du hast eine elektrische Quelle (die Schwefelkugel, eine Batterie, einen Generator) und kannst die dort bereitstehende Energie (Strom&Spannung) an einen von der Quelle entfernten Ort (den Verbraucher: Motor, Licht, Heizung usw.) übertragen
(wir lassen Nebeneffekte wie Verluste hier unbeachtet).
Ich hoffe das hilft zum Verständnis 🤔

[tardy mason]

Ja, so habe ich es verstanden, danke!

[rare forge]

deutsch metamorphosis channel b1 question is legit?

[glacial crag]

Not sure if there is, sorry for the late reply

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1riTGsT3k&t=962s there's this video tho

[astral yoke]

<@&305455824174710787>

[hollow umbra]

Ich würde sagen, derselbe Unterschied wie "etwas ist geplant" und "etwas wird geplant". Das eine ist der Vorgang der Planung, das andere der Zustand des Geplantseins

[thin pollen]

Can we use relative clauses with subordinate clauses?

And are the articles used with relative clauses changed by cases?

"Die person, der du immer hilfst -----" ?

[lunar lynx]

Every relative clause is a subordinate clause

[frigid tinsel]

The chaining of relative clauses, of which is complex, is possible but the understanding, of which that was chained, gets far too indirect.

Just don't go overboard and you are probably fine lol

[thin pollen]

Can I say sth like "ich hasse, wenn eine Person, der ich immer hilfe ---- "

I think Nicos weg talked ABT using more than a relative clause before but I don't remember what the ruling was

[lunar lynx]

Yes that's fine (though I think it should be ich hasse es, wenn...)

[thin pollen]

Alr Ty

[eternal sparrow]

What's the difference between Falls and Wenn?
Falls means if.
Wenn can mean both when and if.
Is there a difference between the "Wenn if" and the "Falls if"?

And when do we use which if there is a difference

[astral yoke]

if is always like in case of (there's an if -then -else construct in some programming languages: if the condition is met then do A else (=otherwise) do B). So it's not sure whether the condition is met but IF the condition is met then we do X (if not, then we don't do X).
Wenn can describe that if but also describe the moment of the occurring of an event and then its when.
In German when you use Falls you almost always express the uncertainty (to a certain extend).
When you use wenn the uncertainty is less strong or there's none at all: it describes rather the moment when the event happens. Hope that helps. 🤷‍♂️

[winter kayak]

Just adding examples:

Falls ich etwas höre, sage ich dir Bescheid. -> If I hear something ( I might not), I'll let you know.

Wenn ich etwas höre, sage ich dir Bescheid. -> When I hear something, I'll let you know.

Falls wir Schluss machen... -> If we break up

Wenn wir Schluss machen... -> When we break up

Very important distinction 😉

[nocturne crest]

do i have a chance to travel to germany? if i have above b1? or be atleast b2/c1 because i really want to travel to germany and study abroad

i

[winter kayak]

#1033125270217048246

[nocturne crest]

ok ok

[winter kayak]

you might genuinely consider googling checklists and guides on studying abroad in Germany. You're not the first person to do this, and it's usually much more reliable than asking repeatedly in a discord server

[nocturne crest]

oki oki ty

[eternal sparrow]

Thank you so much for the explanation to @astral yoke and @winter kayak!

[waxen willow]

Hi Im looking at the lessons pages but they seem to be inactive?!

[rain hollow]

how to type it?
its showing on ~ button but when i type i get `` not the stylish one shown in the keyboard.

,, ist es jetzt Morgen oder Abend? `` is it ok to type in German?

Or "Ist es jetzt Morgen oder Abend?"

[plush locust]

Just use " (Shift+2 on a PC keyboard) before and after a quote etc. Anything else is just a typesetting issue.

I know people who put in the effort to use »these« instead, because they like how it looks

But it doesn't matter unless you write professionally.

[rain hollow]

Yeah, I can use the normal " " string/quote symbol easily. I hope my deutsch examiner won't mind as I will give the exam with computer.

[astral yoke]

No, don't worry it's perfectly fine to use the normal ones.
If you want, you can use Alt-Codes ALT+0132 (on NUMPAD)„ and ALT+0147 (NUM)“ .
But as Morri already wrote this is not a must.

[rain hollow]

Herzlichen Dank euch

[red schooner]

Is "the earlier artist" wrong because the english doesn't make sense, or the translation is wrong? English is not my native language and it sounds OK to me but the green owl refused to accept it

[winter kayak]

It’s because they mean two different things. Translating this directly it is “earlier”, not “former”, despite this being a phrase I can’t imagine saying

Former is ehemalige

[marsh wharf]

Danke

[thin pollen]

is merken equally used for these 4: "notice / remember / realise / memorise"?

[winter kayak]

Remember/memorise is sich merken (reflexive)

Idk what you mean by equally

[astral yoke]

When you write it like that it falls to short:
Etwas (be)merken -> notice sth
Sich etwas merken -> memorise
merken -> realise
remember see below

[winter kayak]

It fits. I’ll remember that= das merke ich mir

[thin pollen]

was talking abt the definitions listed on dictionaries they tend to go from most to least accurate but I couldn't tell if it was the same for merken

Alr Ty both

[thin pollen]

Is there a way to differentiate between remembering and memorising using sich merken tho?

"das merke ich mir" does it always mean remembering here

[astral yoke]

Memorising is more the effort of making sure to never forget (like while learning)
Das merke ich mir is just the decision not to forget -> remembering if it's an event as in someone crossed you

[thin pollen]

Does it have to be specifc or with something that implies memorising instead of just remembering like mentioning a list for example
"Merke dir diese Liste"

[astral yoke]

Sounds good to me as explanation ! 👍

[thin pollen]

Are there any words more specific ?

Ones that are only used for remembering and ones only for memorising

[astral yoke]

depending on the outcome:
auswendig lernen -> learn by heart
Putting much effort in: pauken... 🤔

[nova wedge]

I meant someone that made me very confused with German. I was showing him some of the things that I’ve been learning.
Like
Die Fledermaus ist gut im Fliegen, weil sie große Flügel hat.
And he told me I should capitalize sie I was like I thought you only do that when you are doing formal you. Not for she

[sly oracle]

that's correct, 'sie' is only capitalized for formal address, not for 'they' or 'she'

or at the beginning of the sentence of course

[nova wedge]

So I have no idea what they were going on about so I’ve been doing it right for a long time. They was trying to tell me to capitalize it as like I’m pretty sure that you just do that if you’re talking to someone.

[sly oracle]

was it another learner? they were probably just mistaken

[nova wedge]

No, it was a native speaker, but they also speak swabian german

[sly oracle]

idk then, maybe it's dialect or maybe I'm the msitaken one

[nova wedge]

I’m pretty sure not correct with basic German we’re learning cause they also told me I’m supposed to capitalize der das and die but I see no one on this server doing that

It’s either particular to swabian german or the area he’s living in or I don’t know

But it just seems like everything he has told me it has been not good advice