questions

[next frost]

nvm I found my answer

[astral yoke]

In der 5. Klassenstufe haben wir 3 Parallelklassen
Die 5. Klasse(nstufe) ist 3 zügig

[scenic obsidian]

3 zügig?
3 swiftly?

[astral yoke]

swiftly translates schnell 🤔 at the first glance
It comes from Zug (but not train)

[jovial remnant]

Das Buch kann man gut lesen
Das Buch lässt sich gut lesen
Das Buch liest sich gut

I believe these are essentially the same thing. Is there any difference in formality?

[astral yoke]

No they are equal^^

[scenic obsidian]

But apparently if you have "zügig" as part of an adjective, like zweizügig, dreizügig it means split 2 ways or split 3 ways?

[astral yoke]

I see, but that's another meaning 🤷‍♂️

[scenic obsidian]

well, you had "3 zügig", it confused me, is all I'm saying

[astral yoke]

this is what it's called but as I wrote it has nothing to do with swift but rather Zug -> der Klassenzug (without trainstations and departures 😉 )

[scenic obsidian]

Wait

The 3 sections aren't separated according to ability

it's just that it's too many kids to have all of them in a classroom at the same time

[astral yoke]

Yeah, but it's 3 zügig nonetheless
only divided because you can only put that many kids in one class

[vocal zinc]

Deutschland lebt inzwischen teilweise nur noch von der Substanz. Also von dem, was mit dem Wohlstand aus der Vergangenheit einmal hier im Land geschaffen worden ist

can anyone help me understand how and why "also von dem" used here?

[civic siren]

can "Schelppern" have two meanings depending the context elp

[lunar lynx]

You can say for example
Das ist etwas, was mir geholfen hat - That is something that helped me
This is the same thing, but von forces the dative case so das gets changed to dem. It describes die Substanz.

[vocal zinc]

Von confused me to be honest

whats the primarily function of "also vondem" here?

its not refferring to the Substanz because then it'd be

die, mit dem Wohlstand aus der Vergangenheit einmal hier im Land geschaffen worden ist

[lunar lynx]

It doesn't refer to it, but rather describes what it's supposed to mean
You can think of Also von dem, was as Also von etwas, was

[vocal zinc]

ah now it made so much sense

thanks a lot

im not used to that type of sentence building

[lunar lynx]

Schelppern doesnt exist idk if this is about schleppen or scheppern but the first one does have multiple meanings

https://www.dwds.de/wb/schleppen it's basically just drag but either intransitive or transitive

[pearl horizon]

ich möchte mein schreiben verbessern

welches themas soll ich lernen

[glacial crag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit?tab=t.0

[pearl horizon]

danke

[glacial crag]

Wenn du mehr grammatische Themen lernen willst, kannst du dich auf diese Liste beziehen. Sie ist zwar nicht vollständig, enthält aber die meist nützlichen Themen

und um dein Schreiben zu verbessern solltest du einfach mit Leuten in den Schreibkanälen reden

[thin pollen]

Is there a free website where it has excersices sorted out by their level?

[pearl horizon]

ich mache das schon

[frigid tinsel]

I've been doing Grammatik aktiv each day and can recommend it. It does cost a bit of $$ to buy the book, but.... its not very expensive in the great scheme of things. Especially since 85 lessons will take me 3 months even if I do each page daily.

[thin pollen]

I do have the book but i dont wanna go through it rn i just want quick excersices to maintain my lvl until im ready to start b1

[frigid tinsel]

Als ich schleppend durch diesen ewigen Tagtraum lauf

Wow, my beginner brain 3 months ago had no hope at understanding this lol. (Lagtrain, Jinja's German translation).

Today, I clearly don't understand it yet, but I think I'm close.

What is schleppend here? I see it's a present participle (which can be used as an adjective or adverb)....

[astral yoke]

Where are you struggling then?

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmm, I guess I just want to make sure there isn't much more to present participles than "this verb looking thing is actually an adverb right now"

If it's that easy, I think I got it??

So it appears that lauf is actually the main verb. (With the colloquialism of dropping the e off the end).

[lunar lynx]

Yes schleppend is an adverb describing lauf here

[frigid tinsel]

My English understanding is "When I run drudgingly through this eternal daydream"

Or something like that....

[lunar lynx]

Yeah I'd switch When for As but that works

[novel herald]

Hi, I just started Nicos Weg course but i would like to do something more, what podcast should i listen at A1 level?

[astral yoke]

So basically you figured it out, good job! 👏

[hollow pasture]

mit Blick auf = im Hinblick auf?

[astral yoke]

I'd say it depends on what you're interested in ⁉️

[frigid tinsel]

Ich will ein Einzelzimmer mit Blick auf den Park.

Lol, my class instincts took over, so much asking for hotel rooms....

[astral yoke]

Hmm that could work but a bit more context would help 🤔

[astral yoke]

not Block but Blick 😉

[novel herald]

I am interested in sports, but to be honest i can listen to anything if that will make my comprehension better.

[frigid tinsel]

Stupid English autocorrect....

[hollow pasture]

they arent the same expression?

[astral yoke]

You could use
'mit Blick auf' in the meaning @frigid tinsel posted and obv. you can't use 'im Hinblick auf' in THAT case 😜

[frigid tinsel]

A1 is hard, you won't have the vocab to tackle most things.

[astral yoke]

Have you tried Nachrichten in einfacher Sprache?

[frigid tinsel]

However, you can passively listen to German and improve your word comprehension.

Just without full understanding

[novel herald]

So what could i do, because just doing a course feels kinda slow

[hollow pasture]

are both valid in the metaphorical sense?

[frigid tinsel]

I'd say listen to A2 level stuff, just with the knowledge that you are skipping a level and it will be hard.

[astral yoke]

they are imho

[frigid tinsel]

It's still easier to listen to A2 stuff rather than native German stuff.

[novel herald]

No, what is that?

[hollow pasture]

one should start with reading nietzsche ofc

[hollow pasture]

verstanden

[frigid tinsel]

@novel herald https://open.spotify.com/show/5yZQlynZk18XToT4r5bbZw?si=M5O7PGVHQdStZD3RhQqAng

This is an A2 podcast I listened to a lot.

Even at A1 level.

[astral yoke]

some News portals have that (you could search for the topic on it's own or search ARD, ZDF and maybe Deutschlandfunk -> dlf.de for that topic) @novel herald

[frigid tinsel]

It just seems like A2 is when most of the podcasts and news and stuff start.

[thin pollen]

there's nothing interesting you could really do at A1 tbh

[frigid tinsel]

There's really no issue with A1 trying to listen to A2 level stuff just keep your expectations for yourself in check.

[thin pollen]

i would say you could learn by yourself to help speed up the process

besides the course ofc

[frigid tinsel]

I personally did find a bunch of children songs that were appropriate for A1.

It's not a lot of content, but it's better than nothing.

[astral yoke]

on top of that some learners search for childrens songs -> Kinderlieder
BUT they can be quite advanced ...

[novel herald]

And what do you think about books for children, or this is not for me yet

[thin pollen]

yeah thats fine at a1

[frigid tinsel]

@novel herald would you be interested in like https://youtu.be/rC18LyHbQns?si=pBctYgLqSNmW0j4W

[frigid tinsel]

Depends on the kids book

[thin pollen]

used to read this

[frigid tinsel]

I would recommend Cafe in Berlin instead. You get like 90 pages of reading that is appropriate for A1 level.

[thin pollen]

has too many diff short stories

[astral yoke]

I think most books are rated age-wise so you can "guess" low ages are for A1 ...

[thin pollen]

divided into parts the first was fairy tales for children

the lion and the mouse and so on

too many ones actually

[novel herald]

https://libris.to/media/jacket/02759665_learn-german-with-stories.jpg its this book?

[frigid tinsel]

Yup

It's pretty easy at the start, ramps up slightly but always feels appropriate for A1 IMO.

[novel herald]

okay thank you guys for the help, i love yall @frigid tinsel @thin pollen @astral yoke

[thin pollen]

np feel free to ask here if u got any questions

[frigid tinsel]

Yup. Podcasts are hard for A1 but there are plenty of readers available!

[blissful swan]

whats the name of the book it looks interessant :3

btw help

i need to transform the sentence in negative form

i can use kein or nicht

[frigid tinsel]

Cafe in Berlin. It's an A1-A2 graded reader.

[blissful swan]

ty very much

[plush locust]

well, what would you do?

[blissful swan]

mhh put nicht after malt?

[plush locust]

why?

[blissful swan]

after the verb?

no

im stupid

[plush locust]

but its also before the noun

[blissful swan]

😭

[plush locust]

as a rule: if the sentence requires you to negate a noun, just slam "kein" there

you will not be wrong

[blissful swan]

it worked thanks i will remeber it next time

[plush locust]

maybe it helps but, remember that "ein" is actually also "1", so "kein" is actually also "0"

therefore: "Ich male [ein has no plural version] Bilder" = "I paint some number of pictures" --- "Ich male keine Bilder" = "I paint [no = zero amount] of pictures"

that's why "kein" replaces "ein" (or "zwei" etc.)

[blissful swan]

thanks again
i will try

[plush locust]

and once you do "zero" of something, well you just don't do it

[hollow umbra]

Can you say that "kein" negates a noun and "nicht" negates a verb? Because it's "Ich male nicht"

[plush locust]

yes this is right

[hollow umbra]

Ich male nicht Bilder, sondern Fresken (or whatever else I could paint instead of pictures)

"der Türen" is genitive here

[plush locust]

"jein" (yes and no), "kein" can only negate a noun; "nicht" can negate the following word or group of words (and in a special case - when it negates the main verb - kinda "everything") - the problem actually arises from these simple sentences on how "nicht" works...(because "Ich male nicht" finishes with "nicht", so nothing comes after.)

[hollow umbra]

"Der Türen" = "of the doors", e.g. "die Griffe der Türen" = "the handles of the doors"

[plush locust]

the usage of "nicht" is something very typically asked by beginners, but also hard to explain meaningfully before you have a certain practical command of German, hence the "hack" is: "if you want to put a negation directly [!] before a noun, just use kein instead" (<- this is never wrong German)

[scenic obsidian]

Teilweise, aber es gibt auch Verb-Nomen Verbindungen, wo alles sehr verschwommen wird, auch manchmal für Muttersprachler.

Zum Beispiel:

Er spielt kein Fußball/Er spielt nicht Fußball.

"kein" wird hier nicht einmal "richtig" dekliniert, und wird trotzdem so geschrieben.

[plush locust]

rule: it is never wrong to use kein before a noun if that's where you have negate something

(also: it can be wrong to not do it, so just do it)

(until you hit C1 or so)

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah, that's a good rule for beginners

[scenic obsidian]

Dann stellt sich alles auf den Kopf 🙃

[plush locust]

Ja, und ich möchte das darüber hinaus nicht hier ausbreiten 😄

[scenic obsidian]

Sowas eignet sich eher für #questions-2 ? 😄

[tired shadow]

I have an issue. I can understand a lot more than I can use. I'm guessing it's because I have more passive vocabulary than active. What are some ways I can bridge that gap? I want to be able to speak and write better.

I've started writing a journal in my own server. But I have look a lot of words up. Is this normal?

[scenic obsidian]

It's always normal to understand more than you use. That happens even for native speakers

I know the word "fibrous". Do I ever use it? Not really

In terms of improving active stuff, yeah, writing helps. You can also try and get corrections on that, either in #corrections or there's a subreddit for this, r/WriteStreakGerman

looking up words a lot is similarly quite normal, especially at A-level. I still look up words regularly, and I'm like C1 or something

One other thing to consider: There are certain grammatical structures, sentence structures, which you may not have even learned yet, so initially, you will be restricted in how you can form sentences until you learn those.

[frigid tinsel]

kein is an article, maybe you can see it as a weird adjective. Nicht is an adverb, which are more flexible. Usually negates verbs but can negate more things...

[frigid tinsel]

Do more output practice. Writing, speaking. I'd consider grammar exercises a good way to do more simple writing.

[scenic obsidian]

for instance, the infinitive clause

I work out to keep fit.
Ich trainiere, um fit zu bleiben.

One normally doesn't really learn that much until B1. So there are probably still more useful pieces of grammar to learn, which will help you be able to express yourself better once you've learned them.

[tired shadow]

I appreciate you all

[frigid tinsel]

That's a good point. At A1, you simply don't know enough to say most things grammatically.

It's normal.

B1 is the first conversational level.

[plush locust]

gibt es da eine Hierarchie? D:

[tired shadow]

Well, my understanding is at a B1ish. My output is an A2 I think

[scenic obsidian]

Na ja, einfach eine Nebenbemerkung, aber tiefere Fragen werden öfter in #questions-2 gestellt, Anfängerfragen eher in #questions . So ein Muster habe ich beobachtet.

[livid torrent]

I'm a bit confused about whether we need to learn articles for seasons, weeks, and days name, as all of them use "der (masculine) " as their article, and I often saw them come without their article.

[lunar lynx]

Well... if you know that then you've already learned the article (except for the week and weekend. Die Woche is feminine, das Wochenende is neuter).
They are used with articles often, such as in phrases like im Sommer, im being short for in dem, der being changed to dem due to the dative case, or with masculine-related declensions such as in the case of den ganzen Montag where ganzen is the accusative masculine form of the adjective ganz

[plush locust]

can you give an example where its with/without in your perception?

you will need the article once you want to refer to "that one summer*", for example

[livid torrent]

I checked this again, and I realized I was lost earlier. In German, for days, months, and seasons (like Sommer), we actually don’t use the normal separate articles like der, die, das in sentences, which caused the confusion.

Instead, the article is still there, but it is hidden inside contractions with prepositions, like am Montag (an dem Montag) for days and im Sommer (in dem Sommer) for seasons and months. So it might look like there is no article at all, but actually it is just combined into these forms, and we normally don’t say “der Sommer” or “der Montag” in sentences, only “im Sommer” and “am Montag.”

@lunar lynx und @plush locust Vielen Dank

[plush locust]

yes!

[frigid tinsel]

I kinda hate how everything time related is masculine (months, days, times of day...) until you reach Gute Nacht and wooopsie......

[red schooner]

Is my answer wrong only because the capital H means Hier has to be at the start? or is there something else wrong with it?

[tawny fractal]

It's just the word order, this works too

[scenic obsidian]

You already got an answer to this

"eine der Türen" is "one of the doors"

[scenic obsidian]

.

[scenic obsidian]

.

[sly oracle]

For duolingo (if you're intent on using it), you could've also told the 'right' answer apart because Hier is capitalized (which indicates it has to start the sentence). This is just a limitation of the platform

oh I didn't see your text above the image lol you already figured that out

[red schooner]

The only reason I use duolingo is because I'm afraid I'll stop practicing if I lose my streak. I also do Busuu which is a little better, and try to consume german content (which is difficult because my german is still pretty bad lol)

[plush locust]

die Woche ...

[sleek pebble]

die Sekunde, die Stunde, die Dekade, das Jahrhundert, das Zeitalter,

die Zeit

[tired shadow]

Can someone give me two examples of when to use "denn" and "weil"? Or are they interchangeable?

[muted ravine]

Hello! I'm also on duolingo and I'm really struggling with the differennt types of "the". Do you guys have any tips??

[scenic obsidian]

pro-tip: almost any a-level questions like this, there is almost certainly a youtube video about it

[tired shadow]

Okay thanks

[scenic obsidian]

https://youtu.be/TyHnzQTka6Q?si=nDQB5-xbwHmJX5qO

[frigid tinsel]

Memorize the gender of all nouns you ever learn. Then practice practice practice.

[muted ravine]

thank you so much

[dire ice]

They all mean “because” and leads an explanation, but the grammar rules are different.
In a “weil” sentence, the verb has to be put on the end. Like: Ich gehe nicht in der Schule weil ich krank „bin“.
In a “denn” sentence, the verb comes to the normal place, like: ich gehe nicht in der schule denn ich „bin“ krank.

[tired shadow]

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you

[astral yoke]

It should be ...nicht in der die Schule

[frigid tinsel]

@tired shadow do you have a reputable grammar resource? The denn vs weil question is more of a grammar question than a vocabulary one.

From the book I use....

[tired shadow]

I am watching some videos on it now. I skipped through grammar many years ago. A humbling mistake.

[frigid tinsel]

This book is only 200 pages. Honestly I read through it all in like one weekend.

It was a rush job so I didn't understand it all, still it gave me a broad overview.

I'm now going through Grammatik aktiv, which has better exercises. But I found books like this that clearly and simply lay out the grammar rules to be useful for my self study.

[frigid tinsel]

So YouTube videos are good for deeper dives and more examples. But a grammar book can get you the point in just 30 seconds, if you knew where to look. (Then again, finding the correct section is going to take longer....)

So I do recommend grabbing a grammar resource.

Basic German, A Grammar and Workbook. By Schenke, Mielll and Seago. The main downside is that this grammar book is so short, it's missing examples and context... and only covers A1/A2 at best.

The bigger grammar books are too intimidating for me to read lol. But they will be more comprehensive.

[remote nimbus]

whats the best way to study and remember german as a beginner? I'm already on Duolingo but i wanna start speaking full sentences.

[frigid tinsel]

1. Turn off Duolingo
2. Go to Nicos Weg. https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

[indigo bear]

There's no best way. You have to find what works for you. But we have a guide to help you figure out which order to learn topics.

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[indigo bear]

Nicos Weg is one option, as mentioned. Youtube courses are also good options.

A textbook is a good option too.

Just pick a combination of things that works for you.

[frigid tinsel]

Note: B1 is the first conversational level. But full and custom sentence construction (albeit very simple sentences) starts with lesson #7 in Nicos Weg, which covers conjugation in the present tense.

[remote nimbus]

thank you, yeah i heard duolingo was pretty bad but it repeats some of the words you learn multiple times as you move forward, and helps me remember them. I tried memrise but it goes way to fast and only goes over a word 5-10 times and I'm not getting those words stuck in my head

[frigid tinsel]

The issue is that a lot of apps try to cater to the "I don't need grammar" crowd. When in fact: spending a few minutes teaching grammar is probably the fastest way to ... you know... make a sentence.....

Vocabulary is always difficult. I use Anki to get a base familiarity of words. Duolingo is at least a somewhat reasonable FSRS program, but... you probably should be just using Anki instead so you have better control over which words you are studying.

[indigo bear]

Anki is the recommended flashcard app.

Although I think people also use some others like Quizlet or something?

Duolingo is at least a somewhat reasonable FSRS program
I disagree. The pacing is really strange.

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, compared to Anki and using the vocab words from Nicos Weg (or whatever other course you decide to do, like various textbooks or whatever...), Duolingo is trash.

But FSRS from the habit of "do something daily" and review older words sometimes, it gets some habits formed. Its too gamified though...

[indigo bear]

SRS isn't just practicing daily and reviewing older words. It's a more specific system than that.

I'm not sure if Duolingo even uses a structured SRS of any kind but if it does, it's a pretty bad one.

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmm, looks like Duolingo has their own algorithm called HLR

[storm plinth]

Hallo leute! "Warum", "Wieso" and "Weshalb", was ist der unterschied?
-in context oder group of people who use

[winter kayak]

All mean “why”. All three can be used to formulate a question and an indirect question.
Warum/wieso/weshalb bist du glücklich?
Ich weiß nicht, warum/wieso/weshalb ich glücklich bin.

^ in these situations wieso and warum are more common/casual.

Only weshalb can be used like this: Ich gehe morgen joggen, weshalb ich heute Abend Pasta esse.

[storm plinth]

Aaaah okay. Only if we say: I went jogging this morning, that is why I am eating a pasta this dinner. (or ..."eating a pasta tonight")

But how about "deshalb"?

[winter kayak]

Deshalb pretty directly translates to “therefore”

Ich gehe morgen joggen. Deshalb esse ich heute Pasta .

Notice the different word order

[storm plinth]

aachso

danke. I am taking note

[lilac nimbus]

I'm trying to write an intro to put in here and in a Minecraft server I'm going to play on for German practice soon.

Is

"Hallöchen! Ich bin Fuchs! Ich lerne Deutsch, also geduld mit mir. Kann es eine Weile dauern zu schreiben en Antwort. Einen schönen Tag noch! :3"
Correct? I got farther than my friend knows so I'll ask here lol. I'm mostly unsure about if "Kann es eine Weile dauern zu schreiben en Antwort." is correct. (I'm trying to figure out sentence structure right now)

[indigo bear]

also geduld mit mir
also habt bitte etwas Geduld mit mir.
Kann es eine Weile dauern zu schreiben en Antwort.
Es kann eine Weile dauern, bis ich eine Antwort schreibe.

Very good attempt though. You got very close and some of these sentences are tricky for beginners.

[winter kayak]

Habt Geduld mit mir.
Es kann eine Weile dauern, für mich eine Antwort zu schreiben.

(Tried to correct while changing as little as possible)

[indigo bear]

The main point to keep in mind here is:

Kann es eine Weile dauern
You wrote this with question word order, but it's a statement, so you need to use statement word order.

Es kann eine Weile dauern ... = It can take a while ...
Kann es eine Weile dauern ... = Can it take a while ... ?

[dire ice]

Thanks I forget about that sometimes🤣

[dire ice]

Tbh, I sometimes find Duolingo’s repeating strategy very supportive to memorize some basic grammar and vocabulary

Nico’s Weg is pretty more intense than Duolingo and dig deeper in grammar, sentence structure, and a lot of information about german history and life tips

But for beginner on A1-A2 level doing Nico’s Weg will have some struggles sometimes

Duolingo is slower but make the easy things as easy as it is to understand

[edgy needle]

"für mich" klingt da wie ein Anglizismus

[sleek pebble]

the comma is also wrong, but in such a way that it changes the meaning

[edgy needle]

Wollt ich auch sagen

It makes "Für mich" mean as much as "an mich"

[indigo bear]

Duolingo is way too slow even for people who like working slowly.

[dire ice]

Yeah their process is extremely slow

[valid isle]

Is it possible to ask anyone for help? It's quite hard to learn german when you have no mentor 😭 I'm also too scared to ask anyone because most of them are adult strangers 💔

[indigo bear]

You can just ask here in this channel for help.

What are you stuck on?

[valid isle]

i'm still stuck in A1 for a long time it's hard to understand grammar

[indigo bear]

We don't offer private tutors here, but if you ask specific questions in this channel, people will be happy to help.

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[indigo bear]

Here's something you can start with.

Do you know all these topics? Are there any you get stuck on?

[valid isle]

thanks! im mostly stuck in noun, gender and plurals

[indigo bear]

For noun gender, this is something you have to memorise for each new noun you learn.

For example, when you learn the word for "dog", you don't just learn "Hund". You learn "der Hund".

And same for the plural. You memorise that the plural is "die Hunde".

Does that make sense or do you have any questions about that?

[valid isle]

i think that helps alot! so do i just memorize on every new word i learn? is there no specific pattern?

[glacial crag]

memorise everything, there's patterns you'll internalize overtime

[indigo bear]

Yes, for every noun.

Only nouns have gender.

[glacial crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFsEX4ZY6bc&t=131s

some suffixes are 100% reliable for determining some genders, most are not

[indigo bear]

There is one rule which is useful to know, which is the rule for compound nouns.

In German, it's really common to see compound nouns, which means a noun made up of multiple words stuck together.

For example, der Schreibtisch is a combination of Schreib- (from schreiben, which means "to write") and Tisch (table). It makes "writing table", in other words, a desk.

For compound nouns, the gender of the noun is always the same as the gender of the ending word.

Der Tisch -> Der Schreibtisch

[valid isle]

thanks for telling me! I was getting really confused about this part of learning ^^

[indigo bear]

No problem. Sometimes you will see people talk about word endings and using those to tell the gender of the noun. But actually, that's also just the compound noun rule! Some suffixes have their own gender, so if you end the word with that suffix, the whole word gets that gender.

(das) -chen -> das Mädchen

But you have to be careful, that this only works if the ending is actually that suffix, and not just a word that looks similar because of spelling.

For example, "der Kuchen" is spelled like that, but it's not "Ku" + "chen" so that rule doesn't apply.

[valid isle]

It will take some time for me to get used to this more abstract system, thanks for teaching me again! it helps alot as someone learning by themselves

[indigo bear]

Yeah, I highly encourage to ask for help here any time you get stuck, or if you're unsure or want to check something.

[ornate wedge]

manchmal auf Englisch, wenn ich die Wörter eines Liedtextes oder eines Gedichtes oder sowas vergesse, sage ich "how did it go? / how did it go again?"
aber wie sagt man das auf deutsch?

ists einfach "wie ging es"?

[edgy needle]

"wie hieß es nochmal?"

oder "wie heißt es nochmal"

[thin pollen]

Whats used more for backen? the regular or the irregular form

[winter stream]

neither, realistically

i feel like the rarity of it is the reason why the analogical 'backte' exists at all

i wouldnt be surprised if neither form feels good for some speakers (id probably count me among them)

if i had to, id use backte for any purposes other than being asked in school, but since you might be asking because youre asked to in school, i dont know which answer you need

[hollow umbra]

"Ich wollte, man büke mir einen Klöben" (Max Goldt)

[ornate wedge]

vielen vielen Dank ! ❤️

[hollow umbra]

(Klöben = Rosinenbrot, oder Stuten)

But the participle is always "gebacken", not "gebackt", which indicates a strong verb

A fun verb is "winken, winkte, gewinkt", in my region you can often hear "gewunken" 😆

[winter stream]

yeah i also hear that one a lot

(and say it myself)

hello spam, goodbye spam

<@&305455824174710787> do us the favour

thanku

[jovial remnant]

In der Stadt ist die Situation ganz anders als [auf] dem Land.

I don't understand why it has to be "auf dem Land"

I thought "im" Land would fit here

but according to "Grammatik Aktiv" it's auf dem Land

[indigo bear]

Typically "in" is used for an enclosed space while "auf" is used for being on top of something especially an open horizontal area. So this has to do with how people conceptualise a Stadt vs Land.

Here are some examples to show the distinction.

[jovial remnant]

yeah apparently auf das Land refers to countryside

thank you it makes sense now

[indigo bear]

Yes. And if you use Land to refer to a country, then you can use "in" for that.

[graceful whale]

Sind "Stelle" und "Stellung" im Sinne von "Job" Synonyme?

[hexed forge]

This phrase in all caps, could someone explain it? Perhaps someone who has read günter grass?

[scenic obsidian]

Never have a threesome, otherwise you'll end up pregnant? I have no idea 🤣

[graceful whale]

I get the "don't have a threesome" part, but I don't get "sonst erwacht ihr zu dritt"

"or else you'll (all 3) wake up"?

[graceful whale]

Stimmt das?

[frigid tinsel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bUgIcJkniLY?si=rulMagAhArg_tbUC

If it helps, we've all been there man.

Sharing videos / comedy bits just as a reminder that it's a shared process for all us German language learners...

[tawny fractal]

Hmm I'd say there's a bit of a difference

I personally don't rlly use Stellung for Job tbh, rather Stelle or if so then rather Anstellung

[winter stream]

i think you would not say Stellung for talking about whether some is or isnt hired, you have a position to be filled or not

the availability of employment i think would be Stelle usually, Stellung might be your pay grade within that

[graceful whale]

Ok, I texted my old German teacher and she said she'd never seen Stellung for job either

Checks out

[tawny fractal]

Yea

[winter stream]

now Anstellung exists but that's (a type of?) employment

[hexed forge]

@graceful whale yeah I have no idea what's the correlation between a threesome and getting pregnant, are there less chances of getting pregnant zu zweit lol

[graceful whale]

So really the only common meaning then is your rank or position within a hierarchy?

[tawny fractal]

I'd say so

[winter stream]

seconded

[tawny fractal]

But even then you'd probably rather use Stellung than Stelle here

I don't think you use these like synonyms(?)

[winter stream]

(opposite?)

[tawny fractal]

Rlly ?

Or wdym

Lol

[winter stream]

i dont know how 'even then youd use Stellung' follows from 'I personally dont rlly use Stellung for Job tbh'

[tawny fractal]

Oh ich meinte, dass man auch hier nur eins von den beiden verwenden würde

[winter stream]

ah

[tawny fractal]

Hätte ich besser formulieren sollen haha

[winter stream]

yeah gotcha

[scenic obsidian]

Muttersprachler, habt ihr eine Idee, was mit dem Zitat gemeint ist?

"Schlaft nie zu Dritt, sonst erwacht ihr zu Dritt."

[winter stream]

ich hab keinen Blassen, Meister

vielleicht wüsst ich's, wenn ich in größeren Gruppen nächtigte

[hexed forge]

For context this book is full about sex stuff, it's supposed to be humourous. There is one part wher ehe is explaining what sex positions are given to to us from hell and which from heaven, all with euphemisms, it's kinda hilarious

[winter stream]

hab nie Grass gelesen, weiß nur, das er etwas eigen ist

yeah my best guess is that erwachen might be a euphemism

but what the issue with that should be eludes me

[scenic obsidian]

a euphemism for what?

[tawny fractal]

Yea probably not sleeping as in actually sleeping but having Geschlechtsverkehr lol

And then erwachen = spiritual awakening

[hexed forge]

I personally thought at first it means don't have a threesome or otherwise you'll have two more people in yourbed in the morning 🤣🤣 as someone who is in no mood to see people in the morning it's a really good advice 🤣

[winter stream]

my nächtigen was an intentionally understated thing, fwiw

[scenic obsidian]

Never have a threesome, otherwise you'll start believing in the Holy Trinity?

[tawny fractal]

Perhaps ? xd

I mean based on merrys explanation

Could be lmao

[scenic obsidian]

My idea was that it meant you'd end up pregnant, so the third would be the baby

[winter stream]

i wouldnt be too surprised if the idea was it might be awkward the next morning either, yeah, but 🤷

not the foggiest

[scenic obsidian]

but idk why that's different from sleeping zu zweit

[tawny fractal]

Yea but they already go to bed as three

[hexed forge]

My man 🤭 y'all are funnier than a well respected writer

[jovial remnant]

bro was definitely on something as he wrote it

[tawny fractal]

So can't be a baby

[winter stream]

i mean, it's Grass, he has a reputation

[hexed forge]

The I found out the second part is an idiom for pregnancy

[tawny fractal]

It's in his name

[scenic obsidian]

it could be, that's just my guess

[hexed forge]

Oh I asked claude that and it said the same

I couldn't find it online though

[hollow pasture]

do experienced learners ever have to look up genders of nouns

[lunar lynx]

yeah

[glad sparrow]

is there ways i can learn german fast?

[hollow pasture]

move to germany

[hollow pasture]

i guess thats somewhat reassuring

[glacial crag]

you need consistency, patience and clear structure

[glad sparrow]

ah ok

[glacial crag]

you also shouldn't ignore any of your abilities. Develop all of them simultaneously

(speaking, writing, listening and reading)
(vocab, grammar)

[restive anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that all four abilities help each other. Learning to read helps you speak. Learning to speak helps grammar. Learning grammar helps you read

So the fastest way forward is learning everything, strangely enough.

I'm sure some hermit out there learned only reading, then moved to Germany and learned speaking separately... It's not impossible, just inefficient.

[winter stream]

<@&305455824174710787> pls nuke from orbit

[winter stream]

i do agree, though i think theres a sense in which understanding language and producing language can be somewhat out of sync. or atleast thats a problem i have in other languages, maybe for someone else the difference of medium is more important than for me

(almost) everything you do increases your knowledge, but your ability to actively produce things caaan lag behind more than it ought to if you go on autopilot with the input you receive and dont pay attention to the structure you saw/heard exactly (e.g. ignoring what particular case something uses)

i do agree that it's fundamentally a matter of just doing more, the more you do (over a long while) the better, its just that my skills in for example russian would be much better if i were to put any effort into actually producing the language and learning how i can express something rather than just being content with knowing that something im reading or listening to feeds it to me right now and ive understood enough to get the next thing

i want to underscore ybashie's patience thing too, i think its on this server where i read someone say that you shouldnt expect a word to stick after 10 times youve encountered it, but after 20, which ive found to be very well put

[hollow pasture]

one can be passively fluent but wholly unable to produce the language

[copper bronze]

some professional translators, especially in courts or for other government work learn languages very quickly to be able to understand but not communicate. like they are able to translate all that they hear, however they can barely communicate in the language since it's a separate skill

[lilac nimbus]

@winter kayak @indigo bear
Sorry for the late reply. But thank you both! ^^

[vocal zinc]

is that real info

[storm belfry]

I start from 0, what should i learn first?

[indigo bear]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[quasi shale]

hallo, I was reading some book, and I stumble upon this phrase "Unterdrückung, Härte, Aufzwängung eigner Formen", I have no idea what it meant even with the help of AI，and the English doesn't feel right, so I just wonder what does the word "eigner" mean within this phrase.

[scenic obsidian]

I assume "eigner" is just "eigener" with an E left out. Context would help.

Also, "Aufzwängung" isn't a word, I think?

it sounds vaguely like some David Goggins "get swole by being really really extremely into getting fit" kind of thing

[hexed forge]

i am pinging this question once again. i am just relaising, undertsnanding what it means is important, if i want to use it as an example in my essay. fingers crossed someone would know 😭

[graceful whale]

still got no idea lol

[scenic obsidian]

No idea, more context (more lines before and after this) could maybe help? But even the native speakers weren't sure, so I wouldn't hold out hope

[hexed forge]

Yeah I think only someone who has read it will know, it's not a language issue. It's weird he's such a big author and I scanned through the entire internet and couldn't find anything, have to try harder I guess. I mean I could ask my professor but I'm trying to keep as much distance as possible

[quasi shale]

sorry, I was occupied, it is from Nietzsche's Jenseits von Gut und Bose, chapter 159

Here's a fuller version: Leben selbst ist wesentlich Aneignung, Verletzung, Überwältigung des Fremden und Schwächeren, Unterdrückung, Härte, Aufzwängung eigner Formen, Einverleibung und mindestens, mildestens, Ausbeutung

the thing is in the english translation eigner, which is eigener is translated as peculiar: "Unterdrückung, Härte, Aufzwängung eigner Formen" as "suppression, severity, obtrusion of peculiar forms" which sounds wierd

[copper bronze]

i mean yeah understanding and communicating are genuinely just separate skills to a large extent. and these are real career path options for many (most of whom translate written text, but some are interpreters translating the spoken language)

[edgy needle]

Eigen means "own" in this case

[edgy needle]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/aufzwängen

• ung

[winter kayak]

What translation are you using? This is from Judith Norman translation:

life itself is essentially a process of appropriating, injuring, overpowering the alien and the weaker, oppressing, being
harsh, imposing your own form, incorporating, and at least, the very least,
exploiting,
Which is much "better" (more accurate to the German) than what you posted.

(chapter 259 btw, in case anyone else is looking)

[scenic obsidian]

Is this some kind of dialect spelling? Duden has no entry for "aufzwängen"

https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/aufzwängen

[winter stream]

it's not dialectal, it's just auf+zwängen where the more common form is auf+zwingen i suppose

but it's entirely unremarkable really

i mean since we're talking about the nominalisation, Aufzwängung is better than Aufzwingung my instincts say

the latter sounds a bit malformed

but the verbs are both perfectly good

[vocal zinc]

wie sagt man heiser damit es nicht so klinget wie heißer

[winter stream]

vergleich Englisch prize (~ heiser) und price (~ heißer)

[vocal zinc]

Was wenn aus Versehen heißer sage

dem Patient

[winter stream]

lol

[vocal zinc]

Ich verwende dieses Wort nicht

[winter stream]

werdet ihr überleben

nicht wenige Muttersprachler machen da auch keinen Unterschied

und sprechen beide gleich aus

der Patient wird nicht denken, dass du ihn plötzlich als heißer (als wen überhaupt?) bezeichnest

[vocal zinc]

Thanks

I dont wanna cause a trouble

[winter stream]

it won't be an issue

[tawny fractal]

Meinst du?

[winter stream]

das ist kein großes Geheimnis, ja

[tawny fractal]

Keine Ahnung, nie wirklich gehört, dass jemand heiser wie heißer ausspricht

[winter stream]

in Süddeutschland und so machen viele Leute keinen unterschied zwischen scharfem und schwachem s

und dennoch, Lebbe geht weider

[tawny fractal]

Ja das ist schon klar 😅

[tawny fractal]

ah oke

[vocal zinc]

is bestünden a real word

dass die beschwerden seit 1 tag bestünden

is it bestehen Präteritum

[winter stream]

it's subjunctive 2 of bestehen

[vocal zinc]

Thx do u ever use it

[winter stream]

very occasionally

[vocal zinc]

Thanks

[winter stream]

it's not a very common form, usually replaced by würde bestehen

[light current]

i personally never have in my entire life

[winter stream]

you, here, Dinge gibt's

but yeah it's the sort of form some people may use and others not at all

it's certainly fine written/formal german though

there's more awkward konjunktiv IIs out there

[plush locust]

The problem with Konjunktiv II is that many forms are just identical to Präteritum, so its clearer what you mean to use the aux.verb construction with "würden + Infinitiv".

[winter stream]

expressly not an issue with this form

since it's a strong verb

but yeah

even so it's just falling out of use independently of formal ambiguity

[plush locust]

No one said it refers to this form specifically. - Konjunktiv II forms like this are mostly used in scholarly writing when paraphrasing a hypothesis, claim, or argument, though.

[vocal zinc]

Should i use konjuktiv 2 instead

If it has to be formal

Sorry i meant

When konjuktiv 1 and imperative are same

Should i use konj 2

Die Patienten haben Schmerzen (konj 1)

Die Patienten hätten Schmerzen

Or is it wrong because it tives the hypotethical meaning

[plush locust]

"Er behauptet, dass die Patienten Schmerzen hätten." is a quite clear use-case (but then, hätten is also super common)

[indigo bear]

Imperative? How does imperative relate to this topic?

[vocal zinc]

Idk what imperative is 🙁

[indigo bear]

Imperative is the mood you use when giving commands.

[plush locust]

I'm putting the claim up to need of verification here, though (haben sie denn wirklich Schmerzen? Ich habe noch nicht nachgeschaut!)

[vocal zinc]

I meant Indikativ

[sleek pebble]

really? that sounds way clunkier to me

[plush locust]

"würde + Infinitiv" is way more common in speaking with the exception of like a dozen verbs or so.

[winter stream]

i use this one readily, but any given claim about using form X to some extent gets you either flak from the non-users of it or the profuse users

i cant win this fight!

[indigo bear]

Ah I see. It's fine if you want to ask these questions, but I just want to add, since you have the Level A role, these topics are a fair bit beyond Level A.

[sleek pebble]

i mostly opt for k2, but maybe i never get funny looks because when you’re east german every uncommon feature is permissible since nobody will take you for an educated person anyway

[vocal zinc]

I know i reduced it to level A because of self hate

[indigo bear]

So you're actually Level B?

[vocal zinc]

Yeah

But i cant speak

[indigo bear]

Okay, got it.

[winter stream]

strong verb past tenses and especially subjunctive IIs are decently healthy in my area i think, which im sure is not coincidental because thats also true of the dialect here (even if most people dont speak the dialect anymore)

but any given generalisation about preterites or subjunctives is going to elicit disagreement from someone here on the server

[sleek pebble]

in my area, dative-e is healthy, but we really don’t sound fancy or posh so it’s fine

[vocal zinc]

Where

Everyone speaks hochdeutsch here

Hessen

[winter stream]

i dont believe in 'posh' being a concept that tranfers to german sociolinguistics to begin with, its a mirage, but some forms sound overly literary/edumacated to use. at any rate all of this is i think subject to a lot more regional variation than people think. not on a "everyone does this" level, but like a substantial minority level

[winter stream]

i, too, live in hessen

[plush locust]

Except when they speak Rheinhessisch xD

[vocal zinc]

Atleast in my city

[light current]

too many people from hesse

wheres the southerners

[vocal zinc]

Yay best part of germany

Far away from everywhere

[sleek pebble]

but this is exactly what i mean, if someone does it in standard german, it will make someone mention it. for example, the long speech gregor gysi gave when he became alterspräsident of reichstag, he made exhaustive use of konjunktiv, and i don’t think you could pull this off in real life without people thinking you’re trying to be needlessly fancy. however when you say such things dialectally, it doesn’t create the same effect. really, where i live it kind of sounds more colloquial even, because that’s where it gets done most, especially dative-e. i think there is a difference between saying „Auf dem Tische liegt mein Telefon.“ and „Aafm Tische läät minne Funke.“ - at least in the way people perceive it :DD

[winter stream]

definitely

even so, the subjunctive 2 of strong verbs sees some use in peoples standard german in my life, as i experience the world. not everyone, but not noone either. im like 90% sure dialectal speech here uses more preterites than standard german speech does, but thats neither here nor there as most people dont actually speak dialect anymore. bestünde remains a readily used form in some contexts

people can also vary their register of speech between more than two levels of high/formal and low/informal

if i have a serious conversation with someone i will likely speak with more preterites and subjunctives than when fooling around, neither is less genuine

[sleek pebble]

actually about preterite, i have noticed this too. i had a coworker who made a point to use it, and correctly so, not as a step-in for perfective

but it’s also a thing more commonly done in my area than in standard

[winter stream]

people have a social range of language use and i think teaching learners to acquire one isnt overburdening them with useless stuff either (you just dont have to go full force at the beginning)

[sleek pebble]

hmmm yeah i guess that’s true

[winter stream]

doesnt mean you ought to use preterites all the times

but yeah

[sleek pebble]

i need to separate this from my disliking of prescriptivism and the weird ideolect that dominates germany, which is a native problem

[quasi shale]

Dover edition translated by Helem Zimmern

[quasi shale]

Thank you

[thin pollen]

Is there a diff between passen and stehen?

Diese Hose steht mir / Diese Hose passt mir?

[winter stream]

stehen - looks good
passen - size/dimension

[winter kayak]

passt is fitting, steht is like looking good/flattering

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[winter stream]

if you talk about passt zu mir though then you're back in style territory though

[thin pollen]

How would that work?

[winter stream]

Passt die Hose zu mir? -> Do these trousers fit me in the sense of do they fit my style or whatever

[thin pollen]

Ah

Alr ty

[plain mortar]

Hi, I’m from India and I’m applying for APS. My 10th grade results are given in CGPA format, but the APS website is asking for the percentage. Could anyone please tell me what I should enter here?

[thin pollen]

Does abheben mean to physically pick up the phone when you're abt to answer?

https://tenor.com/view/pick-up-the-phone-theres-someone-inside-your-house-answer-the-phone-get-the-phone-grab-the-phone-gif-23192516

[vernal estuary]

yes, I've commonly heard it used in this context. There is also another word: ,,rangehen" (e.g., ,,Ich geh ran") that means the same thing. I think using one or the other is a regional choice (natives please chime in here if I'm wrong!)

[mint hatch]

Did anyone read a few chapters in Hammer German Grammar book? Is it very tough to follow?

[light current]

does it?

im a native speaker and never heard of abheben

just abnehmen

abheben is more like ascending

if i pick up the phone i say "ich nimm ab"

[lunar lynx]

yeah but its not really a thing to read imo

[marsh brook]

what the helly?

[marsh brook]

what the helly? x2

[lunar lynx]

its more like when you come across some specific weird grammar topic and you wanna find out more about then you try to find it in the table of contents

[marsh brook]

lebst du im vorigen jahrhundert oder wie oder was

theres no way dass das regional ist oder

[winter stream]

ich versteh schon was sie meint

[marsh brook]

noch nie gesagt
das heißt bei mir, dass man gewicht verliert

[light current]

unter wnderem

[marsh brook]

nope, just means answering the call

xd

[light current]

anderem

[winter stream]

i do also recognise abheben just fine but its rare enough for me that i had to introspect a bit after reading the doubting message

[light current]

hier heißt abheben ausschließlich halt abheben wie ein flugzeug zb

[winter stream]

i could not tell you off hand if id say "heb mal das Telefon ab" or "nimm mal das Telefon ab" if i had to

ignoring how i dont say either normally

[light current]

what do you say lol

[winter stream]

or like. "ich hab das Telefon abge[hoben/nommen]"

[winter stream]

(d)rangehen/ans Telefon gehen

overwhelmingly by far

[light current]

diese message killt mich ahshshs

so bamboozled, is ja nur witzig

[light current]

true

also works

[winter stream]

👵 👈

[light current]

thats so german tho

like if you say rangehen here youre outing yourself as a german

not a local

[marsh brook]

nimm das telefon ab klingt als ob ich es dir abnehmen soll
beziehungsweise klingts falsch LOL

[winter stream]

sounds distinctly plausible that that might be a federal-german-ism

[marsh brook]

ich würde sagen
heb mal beim Handy ab

[light current]

woher kommst du

[marsh brook]

heb mal beim Telefon ab

österreich

but thats besides the point /j

y'all weird /j

[light current]

hä wie können wir beide ösis sein

aber so was unterschiedliches sagen

[winter stream]

see, this is now definitely unfamiliar to me

[marsh brook]

welches bundesland

ich brauch das für meinen seelenfrieden

[light current]

bin gsibergerin

[marsh brook]

achso dann machts sinn

bin oöler

[light current]

ja schweizerdeutsch halt

[marsh brook]

alemannisch.... würde das nicht schweizerdeutsch nennen wenn kein schweizer drinnen ist... oder?

xD

idk

weiß nicht wirklich was bei euch abgeht aber fühle euren dialekt ^^

[light current]

ja an sich nich, is für die meisten leute einfacher zu verstehen weil wir sind sehr sehr ähnlich zum schweizerdeutschen

[winter stream]

well it's swiss in every linguistic way ig

[marsh brook]

i ka des alls ned uusheba

smh

[light current]

ich sprich halt bodenseealemannisch, die sprechen hochalemannisch

[marsh brook]

jo

[light current]

wobei ich auch mit höchstalemannisch aufgewachsen bin

[marsh brook]

würdest du's trz schweizerdeutsch nennen? 🤔
sprachlich gesehen ist ja nicht wirklich viel unterschied

[winter stream]

i would call Vorarlbergisch and Liechtensteinerisch swiss dialects, yeah

[marsh brook]

versteht man bei euch tiroler etc wsl schon oder?
nicht so arg der unterschied prolly

vor allem in der nähe

[winter stream]

but im not an authority on this

[light current]

tiroler haben garnix mit unsrem dialekt was zu tun

[marsh brook]

im not either, just asking for your opinion ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[light current]

ausser die wirklich direkt an der grenze zu uns

aber das sind so gefühlt 4 leute

[winter stream]

ive even once seen the eastern alemannic - tirolean contact zone called 'one of the sharpest dividing lines in german dialects', which i found surprising

[marsh brook]

jo nicht wirklich das weiß ich ja es ist trz so ein bisschen ein kontinuum ig

[marsh brook]

how come

[light current]

also du merkst auf einem schlag wie anders man spricht

[winter stream]

well the uh. non-swabian eastern alemannic to tirolean one. obviously

[light current]

ich fühl mich wie eine ausländerin wenn ich nach tirol und dahinter gehe

[marsh brook]

ich bin nicht all too familiar mit vorarlbergerisch aber je weiter in tirol desto alemannischer wird der dialekt vom klang her lol

[winter stream]

but yeah uh fifty billion vowel differences i guess, even if you can get [kx] on both sides i guess

[mint hatch]

Is it like very dense and takes a lot of time to read and understand?

[marsh brook]

in tirol gibts dialekte die güet sagen, [kx] haben und die infinitive in -e enden....

[mint hatch]

I came across Easy German by Kimberly and it seems like a good book

[light current]

wir haben das halt alles nicht

[marsh brook]

das ist sehr ähnlich zu schweizer dialekten

[light current]

wir sagen nicht güet, haben kein [kx] und unsere infinitive enden in -a

[light current]

ja ja safe

das schon

[marsh brook]

bei euch wsl eher guat, normales [k] und -a wie auf bairisch lol

[light current]

aber das sind genau die sachen wovon wir uns mit den schweizern unterscheiden

[lunar lynx]

it's not a textbook like Menschen or whatever. It's basically a grammar compendium, a dense wall of text

[winter stream]

i find this as perplexing as you do, i as an outsider find them to approach each other a little bit too, rather than being super far apart. but i guess maybe that is comparatively still abrupt compared to other dialect transitions

[marsh brook]

probably!
theres probably a reason why each side says that the other speaks a different lang LOL

[lunar lynx]

well I cant call it a wall of text its not formatted like that but it is a compendium that lists specific and sometimes niche grammar possibilities

[winter stream]

either way this isnt #dialects we should move ere we draw the ire of the olympians

[tawny fractal]

abheben, was für abnehmen 😭

[winter stream]

lol

[marsh brook]

irgendwie sehr „bairische“ sachen... as in die gibts im rest von österreich auch
ich find interessant wie es auch den oa diphthong zb in manchen regionen in vorarlberg gibt wobei der glb in deutschen dialekten für ein „ei“ recht wenig vorkommt
noch mehr überrascht mich aber dass es auch da varietäten gibt wo man das ganze zu einem langen a macht... basically wie im ostbairischen

[tawny fractal]

überlegt doch mal, das kommt von den älteren Telefons

[marsh brook]

fr bro

[tawny fractal]

wieso soll man da abnehmen sagen

[marsh brook]

xD

[tawny fractal]

macht keinen Sinn

[marsh brook]

außerdem teach me ur dialect pls cause uhh.... bin interessiert hah

[tawny fractal]

es gibt annehmen

[winter stream]

als ob das jetzt ein großer Unterschied wär, was für eine Geste nehmen und heben beschreiben

du nimmst den Hörer ja eh in die Hand

[marsh brook]

abnehmen klingt da schon sehr sehr veraltet

[tawny fractal]

hä? aber abnehmen hört sich so an als würdest du es jemandem abnehmen

[winter stream]

na von mir aus

[tawny fractal]

etwas abheben vs etwas abnehmen

idk

hört sich komisch an

maybe regional

[marsh brook]

wo bist du her

xd

[tawny fractal]

westen

[winter stream]

sensu lato oder stricto

[tawny fractal]

jetzt bin ich auch verwirrt, je mehr ich drüber nachdenke 😭

vielleicht geht beides idfk lmao

[winter stream]

denke stricto

das liese sich sicherlich durch einen Textkorpus wunderprächtig beantworten

und da bin ich mir einigermaßen sicher, dass abheben weit öfter als abnehmen vertreten sein wird, nur um wieviel...

[tawny fractal]

glaub abheben wurd einfach früher mehr verwendet und langsam wird's zu abnehmen, weil man nicht mehr wirklich was abhebt? 🤣

[winter stream]

na, DWDS kennt zumindest beides, und schlimmeres (aufnehmen.....)

[tawny fractal]

aufnehmen??

Wth

[marsh brook]

das hätte ich eher gesagt als abnehmen

[tawny fractal]

Was echt

[winter stream]

aha

[marsh brook]

war vorher kurz davor das zu schreiben aber hab mir gedacht ich halluzinier

[winter stream]

DWDS korpus hat mehr Telefon abnehmen als Telefon abheben

[marsh brook]

bro die deutschen ich schwör

/j

[winter stream]

ich guck auch mal die Kollokationen für Hörer

[tawny fractal]

nimm mal ab

Heb mal ab

Hmm

[winter stream]

immernoch!

[tawny fractal]

Idk

[winter stream]

wir stehen geschlagen da

[tawny fractal]

Wild

[tawny fractal]

aufnehmen ist aber ganz seltsam

Da kann ich dich nicht verteidigen 💀

[winter stream]

@light current herzlichen Glückwunsch, der erstbeste Textkorpus, den ich finden kann, hat mehr Treffer für abnehmen als abheben, ungefähr im Verhältnis von 3 zu 1

in diesem Kontext

[tired shadow]

Kann man sagt "Dass ist im Grund falsch"?

[winter stream]

im Grunde, hier wird das Dativ -e bewahrt

[lunar lynx]

Das ist im Grunde (genommen) falsch

[winter stream]

und das mit einem s

[tired shadow]

Okay, danke

[austere crag]

hey guys i been meaning to ask how does study groups work here i am confused

[hollow umbra]

Ich würde eher den "Hörer abnehmen"...

[dusk umbra]

what does weiter mean in different types of contexts? or does it only have one meaning?

[marsh brook]

„further“

„more“

type of thing

[marsh brook]

any specific sentence you.re struggeling with?

[warm comet]

weiter means continue or further or [...].
-# There are many translations in english that almost mean the same thing.
-# You can use "google translate" or the "Duden" to get all synonyms.

like in "weiter gehen" it means continue walking or just continue depending on the context.
It would becontinue walking if you are on the street or so but it means continue if you are watching a movie (in the last case a sentence would probably be structured this way: "(Der Film) geht weiter." ~ "(The movie) continues [to play].")

There is also the case of weiter being the intensification (?) of weit (like farther).
(z.B.: Dein Wurf ging ziemlich weit. Aber der Wurf von Jonas ging weiter.)

Or weiter meaning beyondas in "Weiter als der Horizont" ~ "Beyond the horizon"

[dusk umbra]

"Warten, bis ich "perfekt" bin, bringt mich nicht weiter"

does it mean further here?

[warm comet]

depends on the context. But it is probably meaning it doesn't bring you further on your journey or something like that

So in this case it is (in my opinion) like a place holder

[dusk umbra]

the translation is "Waiting until I'm "perfect" will get me nowhere"

[warm comet]

"Warten, bis ich "perfekt" bin, bringt mich nicht weiter [auf meiner Reise]"
like this

[dusk umbra]

but weiter doesn't mean nowhere

[winter stream]

individual bits dont have to mean each other for the meaningful, good sounding translation to be some way

'it doesnt get me further' is just not how you'd usually say this in english

but it is how you'd usually say this in german

[hollow umbra]

The verb weiterbringen is separated

[dusk umbra]

I see, there are so many words like "weiter" which have diferrent meanings in different contexts. How will I learn their meaning individually on each context in German? It's pretty confusing

[dusk umbra]

What does weiterbringen mean?

[frigid tinsel]

At beginner level, I'd also point out "Öffne das Fenster weiter" or something. Hopefully I didn't screw that up

But I've definitely seen weiter describe windows.

[warm comet]

Google Translate says: to advance

[winter stream]

optimally youd not learn a million individual specific meanings but the general metaphor at play

[dusk umbra]

advance as in become better? ah i'm confused sorry

[winter stream]

but again, thats an optimum, a best case youll eventually reach

[dusk umbra]

I see

[warm comet]

yes (depending on the context though)

[winter stream]

there'll come a time when you dont think about it as translating one language into the other but just understand the language on its own terms

[dusk umbra]

I see I see

[winter stream]

the idea in this sense is ultimately the same in german and english: not doing this thing will not bring you to your goal. it's the thing niaf mentioned, imagine a journey

the english version has 'gets me nowhere', the german has 'doesnt get me further along'

[dusk umbra]

is listening to content which I understand approximately 20% of a good way to learn German fast and advance to B1?

[winter stream]

but the image in both is 'im not advancing to any goal point, im stuck in place [if i avoid this]'

[dusk umbra]

and that basically means the same in that context, correct?

[winter stream]

yeah exactly

[dusk umbra]

yep I got that

[dusk umbra]

.

[winter stream]

i think 20% is perhaps a bit little

[frigid tinsel]

As in 20% of the words or 20% of the understanding? I often understand 100% of the words with 0% of the actual understanding lol

[dusk umbra]

both aha

[winter stream]

i find when i have something like 20% comprehension in a lot of music in my target languages i listen to and i dont find it to be enough to basically passively increase my understanding over time

[dusk umbra]

sometimes I understand words and not the meaning and sometimes the meaning and not the words

[frigid tinsel]

If you know 80%+ of the words it's probably good. If you don't even know the words it's probably too hard

[winter stream]

i need to look up things actively and strive to get more than 20% to get something out of it leaerningwise (rather than for enjoyment purposes perhaps)

[dusk umbra]

hmm so what do you guys think I should do to enhance my understanding?

[frigid tinsel]

But even 99%+ word understanding listening helps me. IMO

[dusk umbra]

increase my vocab span perhaps?

[frigid tinsel]

Reading, listening, writing and speaking. The usual, lol

[dusk umbra]

I see

[frigid tinsel]

Speaking/writing leads to understanding, especially if the other side helps point out misunderstandings.

[winter stream]

yeah id probably advise reading (as then you know, you dont have to guess what the word is, you see it written and can look it up) and looking up words to expand your vocabulary

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes using the word yourself is the fastest way to understanding it.

[winter stream]

you need the repetition at any rate

[warm comet]

Personally I get bored of reading sometimes. So I watch movies with subtitles in the language I want to learn so I hear the spoken words and can look them up if I don't know them. (It's not as effective as reading imo but it helps with the auditive exercise)

[winter stream]

oh yeah certainly

[frigid tinsel]

@dusk umbra I think you are at the point where you are reading/comprehending the word "weiter". But to learn all these nuances is just an issue of speaking with the word "weiter" in a variety of situations, and having a fellow German speaker correct the subtle problems.

[winter stream]

ive found it very rewarding if i can, say, watch a documentary or listen to a podcast or lecture in a target language and understand, say, 50% of uttered words but, crucially, can follow the topic

and then, yeah, look up various words i can pick out which i dont yet understand or am unsure about

[dusk umbra]

wait, what do you mean?

[warm comet]

I wouldn't recommend YouTube Videos with automated subtitles though since they often don't get the words right

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, just try writing in Beginner German channel a few sentences that use the word "weiter". You might be surprised at how quickly you will learn.

[dusk umbra]

ohh that's very useful! Thank you

[shell brook]

Hey

[dusk umbra]

hey

[shell brook]

I am new in here

[dusk umbra]

that's cool so am I

[shell brook]

What’s on the menu in this room

[shell brook]

Good to have you here too

[shell brook]

I am American
And you ?

[dusk umbra]

cypriot

I speak greek english and a bit german

[shell brook]

Beautiful country

[dusk umbra]

barely A1 lmao

[shell brook]

Are you a student ?

[dusk umbra]

am I considered a student if im learning by myself?

although I’d like to start german learning courses

[shell brook]

Great

Can we talk privately

I just sent you a friend request

[dusk umbra]

about what?

[mellow blaze]

how r verbs conjugated when directions/instructions r given

like

"how do i get to ur house?"

[winter stream]

better edit, yeah

to informal du or ihr: imperative
formal Sie: subjunctive 1
but often regardless of that: infinitives, actually, with no person agreement

[mellow blaze]

"you drive on #highway, take the blahblahexit, n continue driving until u reach 5th street, n then make a right....etc...."

so probably at the beginning or whenever u mention the "person" you use the conjuaged form

whether its du/ihr imperative

or its formal stranger with subj i

[winter stream]

Geh die Straße runter, dann geh nach links, dann lauf die Treppe hoch.
Gehen Sie die Straße runter, dann gehen Sie nach links, dann laufen Sie die Treppe hoch.
Die Straße runtergehen, dann nach links gehen, dann die Treppe hochlaufen.

[mellow blaze]

otherwise its infinitive

[winter stream]

these are the main types

[mellow blaze]

ah

danke

o so for those u dont need the zu + infinitive

i always wondered wen i needed to do zu+infinitve

n jjust kept doing it by default unless theres a modal verb

is the zu + infinitive only wen its a subordinate clause?

[winter stream]

i mean this structure is surely isolated form "Du musst die Straße runtergehen" etc., which is indeed a modal verb

[mellow blaze]

so its actually cuz the du musst is omitted....but its the same....

[astral yoke]

You could use it in constructions like:
Sie brauchen / du brauchst bloß die Straße runterzugehen und an der nächsten Kreuzung abzubiegen, dann ist der Supermarkt auf der rechten Seite.
But as you saw above, you can totally avoid that.

There's a German wordplay that goes like this:
Wer brauchen ohne zu gebraucht, braucht brauchen nicht zu brauchen 😜

[mellow blaze]

y is it wer brauchen n not wer braucht?

[winter stream]

because its referring to the verb as such, rather than using it

Wer (das Wort) 'brauchen'....

gebraucht at the end is the inflected one

[astral yoke]

It could be expanded to:
Wer das Wort 'brauchen' ohne das Wort 'zu' gebraucht...

[mellow blaze]

the sayin feels confusing....

[astral yoke]

It's for children to remember to always use zu when using brauchen 🤷‍♂️

[mellow blaze]

n the rest of the verbs?

n i didnt no u could use perfekt wihout an auxillary verb

[astral yoke]

... der braucht das Wort 'brauchen' (erst gar) nicht zu gebrauchen/verwenden.

[lone pine]

Is the following sentence correct:
Der Hund biss ihm ins Bein

I specifically need that ihm to be accurate

[astral yoke]

If it's a male person or a child (neuter) then yes
if it's a female person it would be ihr

[lone pine]

Good, doing a thingy on comparative linguistics

And one of the traits is that it's a common shared feature among European languages to have the owner of the object be in the dative case

So I need to make sure it's accurate

[scenic obsidian]

There's a Wikipedia page on this, but it's in German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienabilität

[winter stream]

theres also research on this in english

[scenic obsidian]

Feel free to link it, I am not a linguist, I just play one on TV 😄

[winter stream]

dative possessor, external possessor, uhhh what other keywords

lol?

[scenic obsidian]

It's a joke based on a popular series of commercials in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts0XG6qDIco

[winter stream]

aaah right

i am aware of that phrase

somewhat

[winter stream]

do you need to know anything more about external possessors, dative experiencers, dative possessors or whatever in german?

[lone pine]

No

The project is finished, I just need someone to help me make sure the grammar is accurate

[winter stream]

ah gotcha

[astral yoke]

I'm wondering if even every German native speaker is aware of the 'forbidden'/inadmissable uses 🤔

[winter stream]

the one with an inanimate dative possessor, the Haus one?

i think ive never ever ever thought about this before someone pointed it out to me in a linguistics conversation

[astral yoke]

Hans schnitt seine Haare --- Er putzt die Nase des Kindes

[winter stream]

ah no this is just uh

that these arent dative possessors

not that its ungrammatical or inadmissible as an utterance

well not just not dative possessors because thats trivial, its the wrong case

but that this case difference entails that it doesnt fall under the phenomenon of 'external possessor'

[astral yoke]

ah, so it's not wrong to use it like this but it's no example for an external possessor, now I'm relieved 😅

[winter stream]

yes yes

seine Haare and die Nase des Kindes have an explicit expression of the relation of one entity to the other

syntactically the possessors 'sein' and 'des Kindes' form one noun phrase with 'Haare' and 'Nase' respectively

but when you have an experiencer dative and some "random" object of the verb, theyre not explicitly connected syntactically like that

in that sense then 'external'

[astral yoke]

I see^^
but I would avoid the
Hans schnitt seine Haare construction bc it's always unclear whether he cuts his own hair or that of another person 🤷‍♂️

[winter stream]

oh yeah true, its ambiguous whether its reflexive or not, very true

but thats incidental to the internal-external possessor thing really

[marble sparrow]

Du kannst oben rechts auf "Sprache" drücken und gucken, ob es einen Artikel auf Englisch gibt. In diesem Fall schon, das Grammatikthema heißt auf Englisch anscheinend "Inalienable possession".

[astral yoke]

Okay, I get that but nonetheless try and avoid ambiguous expressions (if I'm able to realize them 😉 )

[astral yoke]

very cool, so English native speakers will have it easier with your hint! 🥳

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah, but it doesn't give nice examples of German sentences 😛

[astral yoke]

Ofc not, that much seems to be the case 🤷‍♂️

[marble sparrow]

doch, aber leicht zu finden sind sie zugegebenermaßen nicht

(oder schön)

[dense hazel]

I mean I'm pretty sure the wikipedia article does claim those are not allowed. it's just also, uh, wrong. they're just less common

[scenic obsidian]

Prescriptivism? On Wikipedia? 🤯

[fair sparrow]

hiii do i use ü or u for und du?

[astral yoke]

Ohh, pls don't use ü here!
it's
du
without Umlaut (ü)

[fair sparrow]

thank you!!

[astral yoke]

Didn't @winter stream clarify this already 🤔
Now I'm utterly confused 🤷‍♂️🤯

[pearl horizon]

wie kann man sagen „based on“

ich brauch etwas „based on“ x

über

nee

daran passt?

darüber?

[weak geode]

I think there will always be auf

[winter stream]

anhand von x? basierend auf X brauche ich etwas? wegen/aufgrund von x? in Folge von x?

what do you actually want to say

[weak geode]

ich brauche etwas beruht auf

[winter stream]

x zufolge?

[winter stream]

beruhend auf

[weak geode]

beruhend auf ja

[winter stream]

aber das ist nicht so wirklich die häufigste Formulierung

[weak geode]

dann basierend auf ist die entsprechende Formulierung

[manic hearth]

Hallo! Little question!
For the color pink... Do I have to say Pinke or Rosa?

[winter stream]

Rosa is generally more common but Pink also exists

[manic hearth]

Ooh I see, thank you so much !!

[winter stream]

theres generally also the factoid that Pink in german is mostly used for what in english you call hot pink, so being only a subset, but i think i myself somehow got the colour associations for these two words 'not correct' when growing up because i dont have a strong intuition about this at all

[manic hearth]

Oooh I see

[pearl horizon]

oh basierend auf klingt cool

also benutze ich das

[balmy raft]

1. die ein rotes Auto und eine schwarze Jacke besitzt = Nebensatz
2. Hauptsatz
3. Yes. It's in the end of the Nebensatz because of "die". Ist is in position 2

[balmy raft]

"Meine schwangere Mutter ist taub" is the Hauptsatz i think

[dreamy lintel]

guys is 4 nicos weg a1 lessons in a 1h 30m per day too much?

Im learning about 100 vocab a day

and the grammar

and after im done

i do flashcards on all the words i learnt that day

oh and also

is it fine that i sometimes dont understand the exercises fully before doing that lessons vocab?

or should i pause at every word they say which i dont understand before the exercises

[dense hazel]

yeah I disagreed with Verne. I think wikipedia is actually saying those sentences aren't allowed but that this doesn't actually agree with reality, cause like look at them they're clearly fine

[plain mortar]

Hey,

My current passport is still valid, but it will expire this September. So, I have already applied for its renewal, although I have not received the new passport yet.

At the moment, I am applying for APS using my current passport, which will be cancelled once the renewed passport is issued.

Will this cause any problem with the APS application? Can I go ahead with it?

[orchid hornet]

Better to ask in #questions since this one is mainly for grammar-related questions

[plush locust]

Look up "Relativsatz" (relative clause), the "die...besitzt" is an interjection that explains the preceding noun and is a type of Nebensatz

(it is also extremely common in both writing and speech and one of the big B1 grammar points)

It is introduced with a definite article (which one specifically is a bit tricky)

[dire ice]

I’m doing Nico’s Weg on A2 level and got bunch of new vocabulary that I don’t at all understand, I’m also stuck but hopefully I will remember them by repetitive encounters with them(I hope at least…)

[tawny fractal]

So you read the exercises, you dont understand them and then you do the vocab and then you read the exercise again? or am I misunderstanding

[dreamy lintel]

No what I do is, watch the video, understand some stuff, go to the exercises, understand some stuff then do the vocab

But I'm saying should I, in the future, pause at every word I don't understand and get its meaning?

[tawny fractal]

huh ? okay yea that I'd definitely change lol

what's the point of doing the exercises if you dont rlly understand some things

[dreamy lintel]

I do understand the grammar and stuff, but some exercises I dont get until I read the vocab, which is at the end of each lesson

[tawny fractal]

you won't know what to do, better to pause at every word and to make sure you actually know what to do. Often times people also think they kind of understand but actually dont

[tawny fractal]

yea that's what I said?

[dreamy lintel]

oh okay

thank you

[winter kayak]

I don't think you need to pause at every word of a video you don't understand to look it up (idk if that's precisely the topic, but just in case)

[tawny fractal]

Its about the exercise

[dreamy lintel]

@tawny fractal could you also please answer my first question

[winter kayak]

They are asking about the Nico's Weg video, right? Watch video -> go to exercises -> vocab

[dreamy lintel]

The exercise questions use vocab which I dont get until I reach the vocab page, so its not like I dont understand them AFTER ive done the exercises

[tawny fractal]

I mean that's something you have to decide for yourself. If you feel like youre absorbing everything and understanding them I think it's fine

[dreamy lintel]

ok ty

[glacial crag]

the sweet spot is around 10-25 imo. You do not need to memorize 100 different words daily, at all

[tawny fractal]

how can you do the exercise correctly if you dont understand the exercise fully though? or do you do the exercise again

[dreamy lintel]

i understand the context

[tawny fractal]

yea but they said they dont understand the exercise fully sometimes but still do the exercise? lol

[winter kayak]

can't you do the vocab before the exercise? Or even before the video?

[dreamy lintel]

you technically can, but by default its at the end

[winter kayak]

I see. That's kinda weird imo. I would do vocab -> video -> exercise

[dreamy lintel]

lemme get u an example question in which i dont really understand

[tawny fractal]

Im confused ? do you do the exercise again in the end?

"No what I do is, watch the video, understand some stuff, go to the exercises, understand some stuff then do the vocab"

[dreamy lintel]

no i dont

[tawny fractal]

Okay then I dont understand why you're doing it this way 😭

like I said whats the point in doing the exercise if you dont know if youre doing the exercise right

[dreamy lintel]

makes sense tbh

ty @tawny fractal @winter kayak

heres an example question which i dont understand

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/ask/l-37325550/e-37337265

last question

[winter kayak]

ironic topic 😂

[dreamy lintel]

why is that 😭

[winter kayak]

How can you ask if you did not understand one part of what someone said?

ironic because you guys were talking about how can you do an exercise if you didn't understand part of the task

[tawny fractal]

I think that's why they shared it, to show what they dont understand lol so after this Dev usually just learns the vocab and then moves on? 😅 which actually also doesnt even guarantee that you'd understand the exercise afterwards tbh?

[dreamy lintel]

@tawny fractal @winter kayak (sorry for the ping) i decided to relisten to the video again but taking my time to understand each sentence and surprisingly I did, maybe i wasnt getting it fully because i had just woken up at the time

[tawny fractal]

yea sometimes you gotta listen to stuff multiple times, I'd still do it like lolo said in the future and learn vocab first tho

[dreamy lintel]

okay tysm!

[dense skiff]

Question

Does "was" have more than one meaning?
"Was"
It is showing
What and which as options

Moreso wanting to clarify if that is true or not

[astral yoke]

It depends on the context and CAN have some more meanings but what and which are valid 👍

[dense skiff]

Thank you

[odd sierra]

Is there anyone here who is fluent in german and english who would be up for being friends and sometimes voice chatting to have relatively simple conversations? I already understand a lot of german but i really struggle with replying 🥲

[shy geyser]

can someone explain the difference between wir, ihr/Sie, and sie? like i know they‘re all plural version but idk how exactly separates them (if that makes sense)

[winter stream]

well wir is we, sie is they, and ihr and Sie are informal and formal plural you respectively (youse, you guys, you all, whatever)

the distinction between those isnt different than the one between we you they in english

group i am part of, group of people i am talking to, group of people that im not part of and not directly talking to

[shy geyser]

okay tyty

[blissful drift]

www.dw.com is an excellent site for learning german ... but there are so many on utube.com too though

[glacial crag]

"Er richtet den Tisch, wobei er ihn eben macht"
"Er richtet den Tisch, indem er ihn eben macht"

Was ist die Funktion von wobei in diesem Satz? Lässt es sich in diesem Satz wie indem verwenden?

[astral yoke]

Das Beispiel mit 'indem' bedeutet, dass zum richten des Tisches nichts anderes notwendig war, als ihn eben zu machen.
Wobei KANN bedeuten, dass darüber hinaus noch anderes erforderlich war, um ihn zu richten.

[glacial crag]

danke schön Bernie :]

[dusk umbra]

what does "durch" mean in german?

and "von"?

[winter kayak]

Prepositions have many meanings. The local meaning is through and from/of, respectively.

[formal mural]

anyone knows how long it will take for goethe results to arrive?

i have to decide betweek may and june depending on the answer

[sly sail]

so how do study channels work ?

do people know each other or they join randomly

[indigo bear]

Both.

[pearl horizon]

angeben = indicate?

and it’s separable

[oblique snow]

"angeben" has several different translations based on context and "indicate" is one of them
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/angeben

[jovial remnant]

könnte jemand mir erklären wie "im Sinne" funktioniert?

Der Sinn/Die Sinne (laut dict.cc)

"in den Sinne" würde Sinn ergeben oder sogar "im Sinn"

warum soll das "im Sinne" sein? Soll "Sinne" ein separates Wort sein, das bei dict.cc einfach nicht angezeigt wird?

[vocal zinc]

probably dativ -e at the end?

like Haus zu Hause

[winter stream]

☝️

genau das

viele Redensarten und feste Fügungen zweier Worte bewaren oft das Dativ -e, das sonst im aktiven Gebrauch in den meisten Regionen verschwunden ist

[jovial remnant]

danke 🙂

[late void]

what is the difference between "Das ist" and "Es ist"?
can i use any of them or there is some situations that i must use one only?

[ebon pelican]

Is germany a good career option for pg in medicine after doing mbbs in india

[vocal zinc]

its "this is" vs "it is"

[limpid beacon]

@late void
They overlap in many situations, but "es" has a especial function of holding a structure for some sentences. Like proper English has to have full sentences, so must some sentences in German. In those case the "es" is obligatory (the ones I can think of rn are not with "ist" though -- u can search for "obligatorisch es").
Moreover, "das" often works as a demonstrative pronoun, meaning it is as if you were pointing at sth specific. Das is also a relative pronoun, so it is the one you would use to connect two sentence, if the thing is neutrum, not es.

[limpid beacon]

I am afraid the chances you have of someone replying it here is pretty low. The server has a section for career, culture, study and visa. I would repost it there.

[left marsh]

@indigo bear sorry ping but just so people have context of why im here

[indigo bear]

Okay, let's start with nominative. There's two main uses you can think of this as:

• dictionary form (how you write a word when it's not in a sentence)
• the subject of a clause

Do you know the concept of a subject?

[left marsh]

i fear i know less than i thought

[indigo bear]

It's the thing/person doing the action in the sentence. Like if you say "The man eats the bread", then "the man" is the subject, because he's the one doing the action "eats".

[left marsh]

ohhhh okay

[indigo bear]

And for pronouns, there are different pronouns for nominative compared to other cases.

Like in English we have subjects and objects, so for example, "I" and "me" are the same pronoun in different cases. Or "he" and "him".

German has the same thing too, e.g. for "ich": ich, mich, mir

[left marsh]

makes sense

[indigo bear]

So you need to learn:

• the nominative article of the noun (der, die, das)
• all the nominative pronouns (e.g. ich)

Then you learn that together with verb conjugation.

So for example:
ich trinke
du trinkst
wir trinken

The verb changes depending on the subject.

So here's what I'll give you as a place to start.

Homework sheet on these topics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AWX0Tu_d_qpMM8zYVOknghQxAPqtIe2VP_TyhpxTdeE/edit?tab=t.0

faq present tense

[livid steeple]

Conjugation

Präsens (Present Tense)
When you use a verb in a sentence (or clause), you have to conjugate it (change the form) to match the subject of the sentence (or clause).

For example, in English, we write I eat but he/she eats. The verb has a different ending! The concept is the same in German, except German has more endings.

The first thing you need to know in order to conjugate verbs is: which ending fits which subject? Here is a simple verb “trinken” (to drink) as an example:

trinken
ich trinke
du trinkst
er/sie/es trinkt
wir trinken
ihr trinkt
sie trinken / Sie trinken
(Note: the conjugation for sie (they) and Sie (formal you) is always the same)

Vowel/Stem Changes
There are a few variations and exceptions, but the most important is vowel changes (also called stem changes). Some verbs get a vowel change, which only affects the du and er/sie/es forms of the verb. (However, modal verbs and wissen have their own special pattern, which also has a vowel change in the ich form.)

Example: ich schlafe, du schläfst

Other Changes
There are various other differences but I can’t describe them all here, so please read these websites or use Google to find more information: https://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_verbs_present_tense.htm
https://www.thoughtco.com/german-present-tense-verbs-4074838
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/PresentTense/Present.html

[indigo bear]

And some extra info about verbs.

After you master this, you can add in accusative.

[left marsh]

[left marsh]

yeah that makes a lot of sense

thank you so much for the help!!

[indigo bear]

No problem. A little bit of structure is helpful so you know what to do next.

[left marsh]

so for example, if i learn a new verb, would it be best for me to learn the conjugations at the same time so it sticks early?

[left marsh]

oh for sure, i had no structure otherwise

[indigo bear]

As a beginner, yes, you want to look at all present tense conjugations. Not all conjugations, just present tense ones.

[left marsh]

roger that

[indigo bear]

After you feel comfortable with that, you won't need to learn them all all the time.

But you do it to start with, to get an understanding of the pattern.

[left marsh]

makes sense yeah

[indigo bear]

One of the homework tasks in that link is basically that exact thing.

[left marsh]

at the moment ive been making sure i know whether a word is masc, fem or neuter, as well as what the plural would be

but ill start doing that too for sure

[indigo bear]

Yeah. That's one that you have to keep doing forever.

[left marsh]

fun times 😂

well, i got myself into this mess, have to stick with it

[indigo bear]

Ja.

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[indigo bear]

Use this when you need to find the next topic to learn.

[left marsh]

oh awesome!!

thank you so much

[indigo bear]

No problem.

[unkempt thunder]

Whats the difference between “mir gehts es gut” and “es gut mir gehts”? New to german

[astral yoke]

es gut mit gehts is no proper German 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt thunder]

Mb

[astral yoke]

And the first one should be:
Mir gehts es gut

[unkempt thunder]

My bad gng

If verbs are typically second in the sentence