questions

[vocal zinc]

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[frigid tinsel]

I'd say A2 is when watching or listening to German media starts to become enjoyable. But I don't know all of what they're saying yet. If you want to fully understand everything, that's maybe B1 for easier media (common vocabulary and situations) and B2 for harder stuff.

For example: a lot of what the Hyenas in Lion King say is maybe A2 or B1 level. But Scar talks closer to B2 level.

I'm only A2, but it "feels" like this. Different characters in media / movies have different levels and different vocabularies. Understanding one set of simpler characters doesn't mean you have full understanding of the movie.

Or alternatively, just because you don't know all of what Scar says... doesn't mean you can't enjoy The Lion King / Der König der Löwen. Scar is clearly trying to portray himself in a higher register than most other characters, so he naturally has a tougher vocab.

[silent forge]

What ways of studing german did help you to stay motivated/consistent

[silent forge]

Yeah, at least you are able to understand stand somethign which make it much more enjoyable

[past flame]

Thanks man. Great explanation, I never noticed it while watching in my native language but it makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

Also note that as a foreign language student, you will learn out of order compared to natives. So it's somewhat unpredictable and random feeling where and when you get comprehension.

Despite it being a faster song, Tangled "Wann fängt mein Leben an" is all using a lot of A2 level vocab.

https://youtu.be/_S6l7Dazg-8?feature=shared

Like this is a lot of my A2 course: putzen, lesen, spielen... etc. etc.

Like despite being relatively a beginner, I have nearly complete understanding even without subtitles. Because it's really really close to exactly what my classes covered.

Then a childrens song pops up about screwdrivers and hammers and uhhhh, yeah. Tools never came up in class so I don't know anything.

[vernal estuary]

only studying weekends and your german level will most certainly decrease as you're not interacting with the language. But there are absolutely ways to incorporate learning into your daily life if you have very little time. Like Fröhlicher Schneeengel said you can do anki for like 5-10 min, but you can also write short diary entries, listen to youtube videos, or read a little bit every day to maintain your level throughout the week between big study sessions. I'm a full-time uni student with very little time to dedicate to learning (like max 1 hr most days), but these are some of the things I do as maintenence between the blocks when I have more hours to study

[rain hollow]

Do this discord group have any other platform? Facebook, Whatsapp etc.

[oblique snow]

Nothing official

[thin pollen]

can Der Moderator also mean the moderator the same way its used in english or is exclusive to hosts/reporters?

[gentle venture]

you mean like on internet forums? i think so

of course, a moderator who is a reporter who is hosting something is also something we say in English

[cedar galleon]

Hallo zusammen, does anybody have any good german novel recommendations? im currently b2 but i dont mind any difficulty, as long as its a good read

[lunar lynx]

Die Unendliche Geschichte von Michael Ende; Das Parfum von Patrick Süskind; Bella Germania von Daniel Speck

[jovial remnant]

jemand hat einen Artikel passend "zu" dem vorgenannten Thema geschickt

Ist der Gebrauch des Wortes "zu" im Vergleich zu "über" einfach Präferenz oder ein regionaler Unterschied?

[thin pollen]

Alr ty

[gentle venture]

wenn ich deine Frage verstehe, mein ich, dass es auf dem Verb ankommt

"ich sage dazu..." aber "ich spreche darüber..."

wahrscheinlich ist es unterschiedlich auf verschiedenen Dialekten

[compact forge]

Hi. I need something for Grammar study similiar to this https://yoku.bi/ website

[latent mulch]

ich nehme, was noch übrig ist
or
ich nehme das, was noch übrig ist

which one sounds more natural? and when is "das" necessary in cases like this

[tender pewter]

How and where can I add a role that I'm A?😅

[hollow umbra]

Die Vollidioten von Eckhard Henscheid. Das Genie von Klaus Cäsar Zehrer. Drifter von Ulrike Sterblich. Die Geschichte von Kat und Easy von Susann Pásztor.

[indigo bear]

Here's a list of topics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit?tab=t.0

Just search up info on the individual topics online and you will get a similar thing.

faq resources

[livid steeple]

Resources

Here's a link to our curated list of resources: https://bit.ly/gladresources. Check out #resources if you want to submit some yourself!

[indigo bear]

You can find some links to grammar websites here as well.

[compact forge]

Danke

[sleek crag]

does anyone else struggle with the strong uvula r sound? not the uh sound but the r in like fahre. I fyou don't , how did you do it? because i can't make a word out when i do it, i sound stupid

[versed verge]

It will become loaded. ‘Geladen’ is in the past tense.

[indigo bear]

There's 3 main uses of werden:

1. "to become"
2. Future tense
3. Passive voice

You probably only learned 1 and 2 so far because those are the beginner topics.

Basically for passive, you use werden + past participle and it means the subject is the one that action is being done to.

Das Brot wird gegessen. = The bread is being eaten.

[karmic crown]

@frigid tinsel I think I'm getting good with Sprechen now. Danke für deine Tips!🐐

Ready for mocktest.

[gentle venture]

geladen just acts an adjective

so it depends on the position of the verb in the clause

if the verb is final, then the verb will come last

if the verb is second, then the verb will come first

[frigid tinsel]

Do you understand passive voice in English?

"The car was started".

"The sentence was spoken".

"The book was read".

It looks different in German but its similar in role and use.

[gentle venture]

some of these will be said with man though which isn't passiv

man hat den Satz ausgesprochen -> the sentence was said

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmm... I personally think of it like a seperable verb.

Imagine if there were a fake-sperable verb like "wird-geladen".

[gentle venture]

definitely not...

if anything, geladen works as the pre-fix not wird

geladen is just an adjective, just like in english

[frigid tinsel]

uh oh. Time for me to review passive again.....

[gentle venture]

look up the difference between der Mann and man

[frigid tinsel]

Oh my, I got the ordering of passive all mixed up. Thanks for the tip

[indigo bear]

Perfekt: haben or sein + past participle.
Passiv: werden + past participle.

Just clarifying that "geladen" by itself is not Perfekt, it's just the past participle.

And just like the Perfekt tense, the conjugated verb is the helper verb. In this case, werden.

Just like you would say:
Ich habe es geladen.

In Passiv you say:
Es wird geladen.

So just remember that, in terms of word order, the werden in Passiv works the same as the haben/sein in Perfekt.

[frigid tinsel]

My grammar book has the following example:

Hier darf nicht geraucht werden

So there is a good three-verb example in passive.

[frigid tinsel]

I think I remembered the advice somewhat correctly. But then something went wrong and went backwards in my brain.

[indigo bear]

No, I'm Australian.

[indigo bear]

Btw this one is slightly more advanced.

A simpler example would be:
Das Brot kann gegessen werden. The bread can be eaten.

I don't think there's a specific name. It's just the basic word order rules.

Like here's one without Passiv:
Ich will Deutsch lernen können.

I want to be able to learn German.

The way it works is: all the verbs go at the end of the clause, backwards (compared to English), and only the first verb moves around to its own place.

So you can think of it like, if you had 5 verbs (very unlikely but just for example):
1 5 4 3 2

This would be the order.

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmmmm....

Das Auto kann hier stehen geblieben wurden.

4 verbs, the best I can attempt right now....

Though stehen-blieben is basically a seperable verb....

[indigo bear]

Ich möchte Deutsch lernen können wollen dürfen.

You can make some pretty long sentences like that but they sound silly and not realistic.

[gentle venture]

this doesn't make any sense

[indigo bear]

This one would mean: I would like to be allowed to want to be able to learn German.

[frigid tinsel]

The risks of playing with advanced grammar. Just making nonsense....

[gentle venture]

Das Auto kann hier stehen bleiben

[frigid tinsel]

Oh yeah, I guess the passive voice is basically useless here.

[gentle venture]

it doesn't require the passive

and you have two conjugated verbs

[indigo bear]

Yeah, for a passive voice you typically want a transitive verb, or at least a verb with some object.

[winter kayak]

it is sind because of 'viele' in the first sentence and 'die richtigen' in the next.

the plural nominative overrides the singular 'es', so sein becomes sind

[astral yoke]

Das Auto kann hier stehen gelassen werden.

[astral yoke]

^^

[winter kayak]

I don't really know how to explain why, just this is idiomatic in German. I think it's quite similar to in English 'there are'/'it is' (es sind...) as opposed to 'they are' (sie sind...).

[valid jolt]

i mean both would work and be correct in this case its more a style thing cause its like a sign and on these things we like simple language and repetitions

[indigo bear]

The "es" is the object.

Well, not object.

Predicate.

[valid jolt]

subjekt no? und sind is das prädikat

[indigo bear]

No, it's not the subject. The subject is the plural noun/pronoun.

Like in "es sind die richtigen", the "die richtigen" part is the subject.

[valid jolt]

i dont wanna make this a huge discussion now but i disagree cause when u leave out the es the sentence doesnt work thats a indication for the subject, the die richtigen is more a Prädikativ basically part of the predicate but describing the subject/object
and also we here in austria at least learn to ask for the subject with wer oder was in this case Wer oder was sind nicht viele? bzw. wer oder was sind aber die richtigen? both answered with es

[sleek pebble]

the sentence works without es, with a subject

es is only needed to fill in the gap that would otherwise be taken by a subject

if the subject takes its position in the beginning, es is not needed

es is both a dummy there and refers back to menschen

no matter if the subject is plural or singular, the step-in would always be singular. you can do the same thing there with das or dies or jenes

[valid jolt]

jaja das schon klar aber aber dadurch bleibt es ja trotzdem hier das subjekt wenn ich das es ersetze durch das wort worauf es bezug nimmt klar macht es weiter sinn aber ich mein wenn man das es komplett weg nimmt und nicht ersetzt macht der Satz keinen Sinn mehr

[sleek pebble]

klar, weil ihm das subjekt abhanden geht

nun, „subjekt“

[valid jolt]

ja eben das war ja die Diskussion ob es das subjekt is oder ned

[sleek pebble]

wenn du, wie du meintest, auf den text „wer?“ fragst, würdest du nicht „es“, sondern „die menschen“ antworten

[valid jolt]

weil er gemeint hat das es das Prädikat ist

[valid jolt]

aber representiv für die menschen würde man es antworten

aber die ganze Frage gerade war ob "es" das Subjekt ist oder nicht aber du stimmst mir ja zu oder nicht?

[indigo bear]

If "es" were the subject, then the verb could not be "sind".

The finite verb is conjugated to match the subject.

[sleek pebble]

sein is part of the predicate construction and requires a subject, es can replace die menschen to make the predicate complete

taking the position and function of a subject syntactically, while strictly not grammatically being a true subject

[indigo bear]

Yeah, the actual subject is some plural thing.

[serene island]

Folgt das Subjekt immer "dass" in Nebensätzen mit dass?
Ist der folgende Sätz richtig? z.B. ich habe gehört, dass morgen er nicht kommt.

[stiff kraken]

ich würde sagen dass die variante mit er auf der ernsten position sich etwas natürlicher anhört

ich kann mir jz kein beispiel ausdenken wo es so tatsächlich passen würde

aber ich glaub es ist nicht unbedingt falsch

[dusk umbra]

"Ich heiße Lucy" Why is Lucy in Nominative? I know for a fact that there are 4 verbs, including "heiße" right here that always take Nominative when they're an object in a sentence. However, is there any explanation behind this?

[winter kayak]

heißen is very similar to sein, in that they're both essentially "equivalences". And it makes more sense for a=a (nominative = nominative) than a=b (nominative = accusative)

[dusk umbra]

Hmm alright

what's a predicate adjective? what's its difference from a normal adjective?

[tawny fractal]

That sounds hella wrong

[winter kayak]

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[supple zodiac]

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[viscid echo]

Hello 👋🏼 is it worth passively listening to podcasts when you are super beginner level? Or will I not pick anything up if I don’t know any words yet?

[glacial crag]

it's okay as long as you don't overdo it

not understanding what's being said is also okay, you'll internalize how certain words flow.

but as always, it's good to learn new words everyday to understand more of what's being said

when your vocab gets to a certain amount, you can start watching easy content and working your way up

[viscid echo]

Thank you 🙂

[indigo bear]

There's no harm in doing it, but you probably won't pick up anything.

When you don't know a language yet, your brain is really good at filtering it into the "not useful, throw it out" category.

You have to start small and work your way up until you know enough to get over that hurdle.

I recommend to start with videos so that you have something visual to associate with the words, and try to just pick out individual words without worrying about understanding the whole sentence.

[winter kayak]

It will likely have a very positive impact on your pronunciation, and later on your listening comprehension. As Ybashie said, even if you don't understand the meaning of the words, your brain will be working in the background on understanding the sounds and flow. Then, as you progress in other areas (particularly vocab), it will be easier for you to pick words up from hearing native speech. Plus you'll copy patterns that you hear 🙂

But you will not "learn the language" by passively listening to podcasts at level A0. It's just one practice among many that build towards fluency.

[summer phoenix]

Hallo! Welche Option findet ihr besser: Ich durchdenke den Stoff ODER Ich denke den Stoff durch???

[pearl horizon]

Was ist die hilfreichste Übung für Alleinsprecher?

[thin pollen]

will the sentence still be corrected if we switched these two?

[winter kayak]

it would be incorrect to swap them.

[thin pollen]

"a bigger shop than" "a shop bigger than"

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[forest stirrup]

...ein größeres Geschäft als... - ...ein Geschäft größer als...

[thin pollen]

ohhh

[frigid tinsel]

You won't pickup words or sentences. But picking up sounds is still very important.

Hearing the overall flow of sentences, the pauses vs speedups, as well as when things are accented....

[compact forge]

What’s the verb mieten?

[thin pollen]

to rent

to rent out would be vermieten

@compact forge

[compact forge]

I saw

[astral yoke]

Neither!
It would sound totally normal to say:
Das ist (nicht) durchdacht.
But
Ich durchdenke oder ich denke ... durch is not really used in my opinion, we rather use
Ich muss/werde/will das noch einmal überdenken.
Ich überdenke das noch einmal.

[hollow umbra]

Yeah, but I think @summer phoenix wanted to know whether durchdenken is separable or not. In that case, "ich durchdenke" is correct and "ich denke durch" is wrong.

[fossil nimbus]

i was doing some grammar practice and came across this sentence: “Du fährst nächste Woche in den Urlaub.”

i’m doing practice with prepositions that can be akkusativ or dativ and i’m slightly confused by this example since it seems more abstract. is it as simple as “fahren” implying movement so therefore it’s akkusativ?

[wary jungle]

Yooo

I Just completed my First ever Anki Deck

Now there are No new words to learn from it

Should i move onto a A2 Anki Deck after Like a week or two of Revision for my already completed Anki Deck?

[fossil nimbus]

another question: is this zu and not zur because “meiner” is used after?

[placid coral]

You can say "ich fahre nach dem Essen zu meiner Oma." or "Ich fahre nach dem Essen zur Oma."

[fossil nimbus]

ok that makes sense

[fossil nimbus]

you just need a declension there and since mein- is taking the -er then you don’t need to add it to zu?

[glacial crag]

are you open to trying a frequency deck instead? :)

or the b1 deck

[placid coral]

The "r" from "zur" is the same as "der"

[glacial crag]

also yeah, you could move on the a2 deck, then the b1

[fossil nimbus]

OH

[glacial crag]

you'll most likely notice significant overlap between a lot of words you've already learned, which is totally normal

[fossil nimbus]

that makes so much sense idk why i was not thinking about that

because you wouldn’t say “zu der meiner Oma”

[placid coral]

even the Germans have problems with this

[placid coral]

yes

[fossil nimbus]

HAHA i was wondering if germans even have a good grasp of all the grammar im trying to drill. i assume it depends on the person like in english

[fossil nimbus]

that makes sense! danke schön

[placid coral]

You're right. In most cases the foreigners know more about german than the germans

[tawny fractal]

its like that in every language

not just german 😅

[fossil nimbus]

yes true

i was just thinking to what extent

[tawny fractal]

I mean we learn all the grammar in school

[fossil nimbus]

what are the careless grammar mistakes and what are ones people don’t really make

[tawny fractal]

but we already do everything automatically and never think about it again after school lol some basic stuff we all know ofc tho

[fossil nimbus]

i feel like there’s certain mistakes native speakers don’t make (like conjugation)

[fossil nimbus]

yes that makes sense !

[tawny fractal]

hmm, can't think of anything rn, but there's probably some

[fossil nimbus]

i did not expect an answer i was expressing a thought i had. was wondering but not asking haha

if that makes sense

just an interesting thought

[tawny fractal]

ah oke, yea definitely

maybe you'll stumble upon some here 😆

[fossil nimbus]

that’s how i’d know i’m REALLY getting the hang of it

one day i’ll be correcting germans on THEIR grammar (jk that would be annoying but maybe mentally i would)

“umm, eigentlich” 🤓

[tawny fractal]

haha yea especially when writing, there're some people that confuse seid/seit or das/dass

[placid coral]

oder zurzeit

[tawny fractal]

never rlly see that one

[fossil nimbus]

ooo good to know

[glacial crag]

Er ist, nehme ich an, in die falsche Richtung gegangen
Nehme ich an, ist er in die falsche Richtung gegangen

is the 2nd version of the sentence correct too?

I've heard this clause both at the middle and end of the sentence, but idk if placing it at the first position is common too, or if it's even right

[placid coral]

*Er ist, nehme ich an, in die falsche Richtung gegangen.

[glacial crag]

oh thank you

[stiff kraken]

in die falsche

[glacial crag]

Was meinst du denn dazu? Hast du vielleicht die zweite Variante oft gehört?

[tawny fractal]

nein

doesnt work

Ich nehme an...

[glacial crag]

oh both don't work at all? I've heard it a fair amount of times
what about in a sentence like: Das ist, glaube ich, das falsche Glas

[tawny fractal]

you were asking about the second one no ?

the first one works, idk where you wouldve heard the second one ?

[placid coral]

Das ist richtig.

[glacial crag]

oh, ok i thought you corrected the entire message since you said „Ich nehme an“ afterwards, I need a break ;-;

thank you guys

[tawny fractal]

oh no, that was just for the second one. you can turn it into a question tho if you just swap er and ist

Nehme ich an, er ist in die falsche Richtung gegangen?

[glacial crag]

this is also really useful to know, thank you so much

might have to start working through more grammar topics again since these types of constructions appear frequently on the news and in formal media in general

[mystic timber]

Hello guys, I am having a trouble with wenn and wann

[maiden condor]

Wann = Zeit

Wann treffen wir uns? - 16 Uhr, wenn es nicht regnet.

Wenn... Hmm.. Eher als als Voraussetzung

Wenn es nicht regnet treffen wir uns

@mystic timber hoffe das hilft etwas

[hexed forge]

An heiteren Tagen kann es sein, dass er einfach nur von Tisch zu Tisch geht,
Operettencharme versprüht und als Gentleman alter Schule Handküsschen an die Damen verteilt

is this a common phrase in german, Operettencharme

[hollow umbra]

Sounds weird to me: I ask you whether I suppose something? Even if so, I would use conjunctive in the subordinate clause: "Nehme ich an, er sei in die falsche Richtung gegangen?"
Much more natural question: "Ich nehme an, er ist in die falsche Richtung gegangen?"

[hollow umbra]

Not common, but very cute 🥰

Today people don't know what exactly is an operetta

[hexed forge]

i think that must be the reason people in the english sub never heard of it

do you think i could translate it as soap opera charm?

if i correctly understood the meaning

[hollow umbra]

No, soap opera is not as charming as an operetta!

[hexed forge]

i seeee

i'll keep it as it is then

[tawny fractal]

I mean yea there isn't really a practical usage for that 😆 I was more so just trying to explain to them how you could make a question out of it

[astral yoke]

@hollow umbra
There are still ppl that can tell the difference between opera, operetta and soap opera, let me try:
Opera goes back to Claudio Monteverdi (1567- 1643) and has only sung parts (there is no spoken text). The opera is dramatic, tragic or epic.
Operatta starts abt 200 years later and has sung and spoken content. Operattas are romantic, serene, comic or humoresque and in general they are shorter than operas.
A** soap opera** is a parody of one or the other. -> more like a slapstick.

[plush locust]

A Seifenoper is also a TV show as far as I can think back

(did that actually exist in a different medium before?)

[astral yoke]

I'm not sure abt that tbh, but it's definitely a recent development!

[plush locust]

yeah, as in 30-50 years ago...

[astral yoke]

with opera (as I explained above ^^) we're talking abt 500 years ago, so 50 years back is really recent from that point of view 😜

[plush locust]

naja aber das ist schon was völlig anderes 😛

[astral yoke]

Wie, was ist jetzt da völlig anders? Erklär mal bitte 🤔 ?

[plush locust]

Die singen doch nicht mehr in der Seifenoper D:

[astral yoke]

Parodie: (fast) alles ist erlaubt 🤯 !

[rain hollow]

Is VRChat helpful for learning German?

[hollow umbra]

Eine Seifenoper ist eine Endlosserie im Fernsehen, so wie Dallas, Lindenstraße oder Gute Zeiten Schlechte Zeiten. Das mit der Parodie ist mir komplett neu

[winter kayak]

The term soap opera originated from radio dramas' original sponsorship by soap manufacturers.[5] The term was preceded by horse opera, a derogatory term for low-budget Westerns.
Soap operas have nothing to do with parodying opera or operetta as far as I know. (Quote from wikipedia page)

[glacial crag]

the vc channels are useful for practicing your speaking yes

you'll learn a bit from speaking with others, but... it won't help you learn the language fully

you still need to work on all your other abilities

[cobalt aurora]

I've heard from many people in the VCs about "Tandem". Is it that good for improving speaking?

[small mango]

mcq porsi

[maiden condor]

Could be - you know what this is?

[heavy kindle]

hello guys, i saw somewhere that in german there are different endings depended on if there is an article + adjective + noun than if it was only adjective + noun or something Like that. Would anyone be able to just give me a brief explanation of this concept?

[elfin violet]

Saw a thing saying bitte was you're welcome, but I thought it meant please, does it have more than one meaning? and if so, does it get pronounced differently

[glacial crag]

This is called adjective declension. When an adjective stands before a noun, it gets a new ending

your examples:
der große Hund (article + adjective + noun)
großer Hund (adjective + noun)

The endings change to match gender, case, number and article

Ich habe einen großen Hund (ending changes again)

and if we use an indefinite article:
ein großer Hund

faq adjective declension

[livid steeple]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[glacial crag]

https://www.youtube.com/@yourgermanteacher
fill free to visit his channel if you'd like an oral explanation. He has about 5 videos on this topic if I'm not mistaken. 4 Videos for all the 4 cases and 1 final video that explains the whole system behind adjective declension

[heavy kindle]

wow, seems pretty daunting at first look xD

Thank you very much for the explanation and the channel

I ll take a look at the videos

[glacial crag]

take as much time as you need with each case :)

you'll cover it fairly quickly

[glacial crag]

no worries

[sleek pebble]

definiteness is the concept that influences this

in nominative

ein großer Mann but der große Mann

a noun is definite when it’s a specific (definite) thing, so not any man, but the man

those nouns get a definite article (der/die/das, dieser/diese/dieses, etc. - „the,“ „this,“ „that,“ etc. in english), indefinite nouns get a relative article

this changes the adjective declension in german

[torn urchin]

think of it like this: you dont need to repeat yourself once it becomes clear what gender youre referring to

in the case of "ein", its not clear whether the noun youre referring to is masculine or neuter, since there isnt anything like "einer" or "eines" in this context, and thats exactly why you need to add a -er or -es to the end of the adjective

"eine" can only refer to the feminine gender, which is why you just add a -e to the end of the adjective

definite articles (der, die, das) already include the gender, so you dont need to make a special distinction. just add a -e to the end of the adjective
the plural die, however, requires a -en at the end of the adjective, since it can be unclear whether the noun is plural or singular (die can refer to both the feminine singular and the plural, e.g. die unangenehme Frau, but die schnellen Autos)

[cobalt haven]

Hallo, I’m going to a German restaurant/bakery today and I I wanna order the Jägerschnitzel.. would I say

“Ich möchte einen Jägerschnitzel”

Now here’s where the problem comes in.. how do I say plate?

[tulip patrol]

Teller

?

[astral yoke]

it would be einen Jägerschnitzel -> Schnitzel is neuter

[cobalt haven]

Ach so, thank you !

[sleek pebble]

why do you need to say plate

also i think it’s nicer to say „Ich hätte gerne“ instead of „Ich möchte“

@cobalt haven

[vocal zinc]

Ich habe an der kasse so gesagt ich habe das gekauft

[cobalt haven]

What I’m ordering come as a plate since it’ll have a side. Not just the Jägerschnitzel

I don’t know why it made the photo small.. please click on it to read 😭 @sleek pebble

[winter kayak]

Jägerschnitzel Teller.
However if the menu is in English, you might consider ordering in English as well, unless you know the waiter/waitress speaks German.

[cobalt haven]

They speak German, English and Spanish but the restaurant is family owned and the owner+his daughter are originally from Germany

If I order in English.. how will I ever learn?

-_-

[winter kayak]

Funny story: A cousin of mine surprised my husband (German) and I by taking us to a "German" restaurant in America -- which was hilarious for multiple reasons. One, because my partner is about the last person who would feel any sort of nostalgia or national pride, especially about the German caricature represented by the restaurant (pretty much just Bayern). Two, because despite being a German restaurant, my partner was the only native speaker available. The waiter didn't even understand what we ordered in English, just because the pronunciation of the dish was German instead of English.

If the people you're ordering from speak German it should be fine. But ordering a dish won't make ya fluent (is very little practice)

[cobalt haven]

My friend is also from Bayern and helps me with lots of pronunciation, it’s little practice yes but it would also help ordering in confidence because I do plan on moving there soon.. little practice is better than no practice 🙏🏻

[winter kayak]

That's great 😄 best of luck with the ordering!

Oh and just in case because it was mentioned earlier that Jägerschnitzel is neuter -- if you add the 'Teller' after, it goes back to masculine (einen Jägerschnitzel Teller)

[cobalt haven]

Thank you so much with the story lol, definitely got a little laugh out of it

[cobalt haven]

Ah okay

[sleek pebble]

i think saying teller is redundant because you’re hardly gonna get a standalone schnitzel. usually people say something like „Ich hätte gerne das Jägerschnitzel“

[sleek pebble]

i think daring to do this builds confidence and usually you get a delighted and positive reaction

when i was in norway i only spoke norwegian but that one turkish guy at some restaurant heard me and my peers speaking german with one another so he spoke german to me. as it turns out, he used to work in germany. put a huge grin on my face and i talked to the guy for 20 minutes because i found it so endearing someone in a foreign country who isn’t german spoke german to me

[winter kayak]

There's nothing wrong with it. Maybe an American thing, it's just not always a bad idea to think about whether the people serving you XXX cuisine actually are from XXX and speak the language before launching into that language.

[sleek pebble]

so i would imagine a german restaurant owner abroad would also feel this way

yeah i guess you’ll have to feel it out

but i just mean that a lot of people are hesitant and shy when it comes to speaking, so just doing it a couple times, even just ordering something, builds confidence

[cobalt haven]

The person serving us from Berlin lol. This is his story

[sleek pebble]

worst thing that can happen is the guy doesn’t get it, but then that’s just a quick „oh sorry“ and a laugh

so you’re not ever losing something by doing it

[winter kayak]

then you should be good to go

[sleek pebble]

fun fact: wix sounds awfully close to wichsen, a crude word that means to masturbate, so the owners of wix used to have an ad campaign in germany where they said stuff like „Ich wixe!“ to mean using their website building tool

was a bit funny

usually brands that sound funny in other languages change their branding abroad (an example would be the coca cola company’s fuze tea, which, in switzerland, is spelt fuse tea, because fuze is a very foul cuss word for vagina in swiss), but others don’t, like colgate, which in argentinian spanish literally means „hang yourself,“ but they just don’t mention it, while wix capitalized on it in germany and made it funny

[winter kayak]

I think it might depend on the culture and the situation. Again, I think it's okay to do, but I think it's better to feel it out first. Because some waiters might feel somewhat humiliated or like you're taking the piss by assuming they speak the language of the country of the restaurant they slave away in for minimum wage (or less). Like a flex. In the US they'll almost definitely still take it with a giggle and a grin, but unless they've stated it explicitly or it's on the website or whatever, it can't hurt to ask in advance.

[jovial remnant]

a bit? I just burst out laughing hshhshhahah

[wary jungle]

Sorry for the late reply but, whats a frequency Deck?

[glacial crag]

no worries

[wary jungle]

Thanks

[glacial crag]

it's pretty much a deck containing the most frequently used words in the language

[wary jungle]

Ooh

Do you know any good frequency Decks?

[glacial crag]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1431033948
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1586166030
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/653061995

one's 4k and the other's 5k words

the b1 deck is also not a bad option (just keep in mind it's not sorted by frequency)

so yeah you can pick whichever deck you'd like, you can look for another one too

[wary jungle]

Awesomee

Thank you so much

Much much appreaciated

[glacial crag]

no worries, happy grinding ☺️

[cobalt haven]

The daughter spoke English to me and I panicked so I spoke in English

Better luck next time

[ornate wedge]

kurze Frage, ist es höflich das Wort "Chance" zu benutzen, wenn ich zum Beispiel eine Email oder ein Resümee schreibe?

[winter kayak]

Wie meinst du? Chance ist ein normales Wort

[winter kayak]

Ahhh, well yes try try again

[ornate wedge]

vielleicht ist's höflicher "Gelegenheit" zu schreiben oder sowas lmao

ich weiß nicht

also mehr formell

[winter kayak]

Kannst du vllt den ganzen Satz hier schreiben?

Chance finde ich nicht besonders umgangssprachlich

[ornate wedge]

also zum Beispiel "ich möchte die Chance haben, diese Erfahrung zu erleben"

[hollow umbra]

"Ich hoffe, ich bekomme die Gelegenheit, Sie bei einem persönlichen Gespräch von meinen Vorzügen zu überzeugen." 😃 "Chance" klingt etwas verzweifelter ("Geben Sie mir eine Chance!")

[ornate wedge]

aso okay, zum Glück bin ich verzweifelt lmao 🙏
Danke sehr !

[ornate wedge]

und danke dir auch !!

[pearl horizon]

when do u use gespräch fuhren

beispiele bitte

[hollow umbra]

Die Verzweiflung darf man sich nicht anmerken lassen 🥲

[ornate wedge]

ach man 😔

[winter kayak]

Führen not fuhren

And it is used when you want to say “have a conversation”, basically

[lost fiber]

wie kann ich mit anderen Menscher reden????

alle chats sind bei mir blockiert

junge junge

meine fresse

ihr seit alle

[slender forge]

Can someone explain using der/die with family names? (die Müller, der Schmidt and so on)

[placid coral]

You say "die ..." if the person is female and "der" if the person is male.

[tawny fractal]

Wdym? Usually people say die Frau Müller or der Herr Müller

Unless I'm not understanding the question

[oblique snow]

https://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/artikelnachname/?child=runde
for a map

[hollow umbra]

"Die Müller" and "der Schmidt" is rather impolite. That's what pupils call their teachers

[oblique snow]

Very regional! "Der Müller ist grad noch am telefonieren" is normal office talk

[magic token]

der Müller die Meier is in some Bundesländern rude or features of heavy dialect , der Herr Müller die Frau Meier is even better

[hollow umbra]

"Der Herr Müller", better drop the article. "Herr Müller"

[mortal path]

Würde ich so nicht unterschreiben! Der/die + Vorname ist normal in Süddeutschland, meine norddeutschen Freunde finden es klingt komisch. Der/Die + Nachname ist definitiv umgangssprachlich und leicht unhöfflich/rau

[mortal path]

"Der Herr Meier hat xy gesagt" , "Die Frau Müller hat xy gemacht" wäre absolut ok bzw normal in Bayern und vermutlich auch in BaWü

[pearl horizon]

also nur wie „möchtest du gespräch führen?“

[weary flint]

Hi, ich bin der Neuer, wie kann ich in Voice chat eintretten?

[oblique snow]

faq limited permissions

[livid steeple]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[primal prairie]

What is the difference between the study group and practice room voice channels?

[indigo pulsar]

Wie ich das verstanden habe, lernen die Teilnehmer im StudygroupVchat was zusammen, während ist practice room VC einfach für quatschen

[primal prairie]

Oh okay, danke!

[nova wedge]

Ich fliege.
Du fliegen.
Die Fledermaus fliegt.
Ich kann fliegen.
Die Fledermaus ist Fliegen.
Did I got the ending, correct ?

[indigo bear]

Du fliegst.

Not sure what you want to say with the last one. Can you give the English version?

[nova wedge]

The bat is flying

[indigo bear]

Die Fledermaus fliegt.

[nova wedge]

Oh

[indigo bear]

German doesn't have a typical continuous tense like English does.

Instead, you can add adverbs to show time.

e.g. die Fledermaus fliegt jetzt.

[frigid tinsel]

Wirtschaftlich gesehen können wir uns das Unternehmen nicht leisten.

It feels like there should be a comma before "wir", or.... something. Is this kind of sentence construction normal? It's an example sentence that just came up today

[indigo bear]

It is normal.

This is just the situation where an adverbial takes over position 1 of the clause.

For example you could have:
Heute können wir uns das Unternehmen nicht leisten.

But instead of "heute", the adverbial is "wirtschaftlich gesehen".

And why it seems like it needs a comma is because in English, we use a comma for that construction.

Because in English, we mostly stick with SVO word order.

[jovial beacon]

is sentence: Wir müssen unsere Kinder auf dem richtigen Weg behalten. understandable enough? ik i made a mistake with behalten but does it like reasallly put off the meaning

[indigo bear]

So since the subject has to be in position 1, the adverbial is pushed out of the clause. In English.

[frigid tinsel]

Ah. I was still parsing incorrectly then.

[scenic obsidian]

(wirtschaftlich gesehen) is all one "thing"

Try replacing it with "heute"

Heute können wir uns das Unternehmen nicht leisten.

wirtschaftlich gesehen = in economic terms

[frigid tinsel]

I think I see my mistake now, and it makes sense now

[scenic obsidian]

But yeah, it's hard especially as a beginner to see what looks like a verb, but isn't

[scenic obsidian]

lol, whoops you already said this exact thing, my bad

[dreamy lintel]

Just a very stupid plain question

I want to apply to Germany for university

I will have to take a gap year due to exam results coming out late

Can I go from A2 -> C1 from May 2026 until May 2028? (I could maybe try to squeeze it to May 2026 and apply early)

Just enough to pass the exam and apply for uni

[winter kayak]

Yes you can, especially to pass a test to get the C1 certificate

You have to work but two years is definitely doable

[dreamy lintel]

Is May 2026 -> May 2027 possible too? It would be better if I can do it in one year

About 2 and a half hours per day

daily

for 365 days

[winter kayak]

Possible but difficult. If you really stick to that schedule and learn efficiently, you could potentially make it

[dreamy lintel]

Hmm okay tysm

[winter kayak]

But it’s really hard to say. Individual thing

[dreamy lintel]

Also a question thats not really language related

ykw nvm its probably a stupid question lmao

thank you so much tho

[winter kayak]

All good 👍

[desert root]

good resources to easily learn german as a C1 english and B1 spanish speaker?

[frigid tinsel]

Isn't C1 like 10,000+ words of vocabulary? A2 is around 1500, so you still have to learn thousands of words in a rather short time.

[dreamy lintel]

idk, but im sure if i put my mind to it i can do it

[frigid tinsel]

Random Reddit post suggests C1 to be somewhere from 5000 to 8000, depending on active vs passive count and such. Still, its a lot of words.

[lunar lynx]

depends on whats counted anyway

you learn a verb and you can automatically use its partizip 2 version as an adjective. That's 2 words for 1

happens very often

with 10k vocab youre already fluent

[winter kayak]

Do learners actually keep track of how many words they know? I'm always kind of surprised people find these estimates useful, as I wouldn't have the first clue how many words I know in German

[lunar lynx]

I've got 9k flashcards in my anki I know how to speak the language

[winter kayak]

holy crap that's a lot

[jovial remnant]

1200 so far 🙁

[lunar lynx]

alles zu seiner zeit

[sleek pebble]

i think it’s hardly quantifiable like that and getting too obsessed with numbers and CEFR levels won’t be very helpful. better to focus on the things you notice you’re struggling with. i think the only times where CEFR levels are relevant is in exams. as for numbers, you probably know already about the do’s and dont’s of flashcards. anki tells you how long it will take to study x amount of cards according to your deck’s settings granted you’re consistent. just use this as a goal but don’t worry so much about the exact numbers and what CEFR level they correlate to, as that’s not a very accurate metric in the first place

i think there are example texts for exams that you can compare your ability to if you need to pass an exam

[indigo bear]

It's also useful for searching for learning content for your current level.

[sleek pebble]

what is?

[indigo bear]

CEFR levels.

[sleek pebble]

ah yeah

but it’s also a mixed bag, i noticed this before where i breezed through intermediate texts, so i moved on to advanced ones, where i struggled more here and there, but generally thought „yeah i get it,“ only to then see another intermediate text that was harder to understand than some advanced ones…

[lunar lynx]

These CERF levels are a good groundwork... but yes, obsessing over them is bad. I myself don't stick to them that seriously and I especially don't like when people start talking about these A2.1 and A2.2 etc sublevels.
I usually just think of them as A = beginner, B = knowns the language decently well, will make mistakes, C = fluent.

[sleek pebble]

i guess it’s all solved by diversifying your interaction with the language

[indigo bear]

The sublevels are only really for courses that are broken into parts.

[sleek pebble]

i think officially B1-2 counts as fluent, though „fluent“ is a very nebulous term in the first place

[lunar lynx]

Yes, but I feel like some people take them outside the courses too, and make everything unnecessarily complicated. Maybe that's just my experience though

[indigo bear]

Yeah, I would not use the term fluent to equate to a CEFR level. Because fluency is about how people perceive your skill, not about the actual individual skills which CEFR refers to.

[lunar lynx]

b2 is apparently conversationally fluent but I dont buy it myself

[sleek pebble]

why not

[indigo bear]

Level C people also make mistakes.

[sleek pebble]

i see a lot of immigrants who obviously don’t speak perfect german and neither do i think they could pass a C1 exam, and yet they can talk to me for half an hour in german about various topics. to me that counts as fluent

[lunar lynx]

shouldve added less frequently

[indigo bear]

The typical way to describe them in words is: Level A = beginner, Level B = intermediate, Level C = advanced.

[lunar lynx]

it is obvious nobody's gonna be perfect 😔

[lunar lynx]

yeah thats fine too

[indigo bear]

Sure but again, I think how many mistakes someone makes is not directly based on their CEFR level. It's more related to how experimental someone is with their language.

You could easily have a C1 person who makes more mistakes than a B1 person simply because they try more new things.

[cedar galleon]

Hey gang, moving to berlin this monday, anything i should bring with or know?

[winter kayak]

#1033125270217048246

[winter kayak]

I kinda see what you mean. Maybe it makes more sense to quantify it in terms of how many things someone can do right. A C1 speaker, even with mistakes, should be able to express the same thing multiple ways idiomatically. Use a variety of structures, tenses/moods, words. B1 without mistakes will be quite simplistic in comparison.

[indigo bear]

Yeah but I guess my view is that then you're essentially just getting into the actual CEFR rubric anyway.

[dreamy lintel]

Hey guys, is Nicos Weg + Deutschtrainer + Grammatik Aktiv a good combo to reach B1 in about 6 months and be confident to some extent?

[astral yoke]

That depends on various factors:
From where do you start?
How much time are you able to spend learning each day?
Are you experienced in learning languages?
🤷‍♂️

you could translate it with
-> to gain / to reach

[nova wedge]

How is heiß use other than saying it’s like for your name?
Because on its own, it means hot, I think
But you can say
Ich heiße Zeek.
What are the other meanings that one of those words with multi meetings?

[astral yoke]

My bad, then, just put to reach there, that fits for sure you can even try and use to get 🙇‍♂️

[nova wedge]

I need to practice the basic greetings, but it’s kinda hard when online cuz usernames you can just see

[astral yoke]

you're mixing
heiß -> hot
with
heißen -> how's my name 🤔

[nova wedge]

I thought the ending of the word is just based on if you talk first second third or formal or informal

Wie heißen Sie?

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think "Heiß du ...." Imperative form would ever be used....

[nova wedge]

Wie heißt du?*

[astral yoke]

Heißen is the base here and then it goes
Ich heiße
Du heißt
er/sie/es heißt
Wir heißen
Ihr heißt
sie/Sie heißen

[frigid tinsel]

There is a colloquialism where "Ich (verb)" is missing the e on the end though

So you might sometimes hear in casual conversation "Ich heiß (name)".

[nova wedge]

You forgot the E

[frigid tinsel]

There is a colloquialism where "Ich (verb)" is missing the e on the end though

[nova wedge]

I don’t think you add E to I for yourself

[magic token]

"become", "bekommen" & "werden" — A False Friend Trap

The False Friend: bekommen ≠ become

This is the classic trap. Although bekommen looks like "become", it actually means "to get / to receive":

[hot pawn]

yo anyone that has learnt German to A2+, i've just started learning german the reason was because i was put in a class where people are already A2-B1 in German, It's too late for me to change classes now and currently i don't know where to start

[nova wedge]

also ich is not a verb

It’s a pronoun

[magic token]

Ich heiße Tom. Er heißt Tom. Sie heißt Sally

[frigid tinsel]

Would a "Spy Film" ever use "Heiß du"?? Like Your codename is now JackelNeiner, Heiß du JackelNeiner.

[nova wedge]

Wie heißt du

For what is your name?

[frigid tinsel]

Imperitive.

Name yourself X.

[lunar lynx]

1. The imperative of heißen is heiß, not heiß du
2. the verb nennen would be used here instead

[nova wedge]

I believe you say this

Dein Name ist X.

[frigid tinsel]

Apparently I need more Imperitive practice.

Thanks.

[nova wedge]

I also need practice. I just got my book. I’m going through it. I need to work on memorizing.
Heiße but it’s hard to when you’re online because your username is already there unless you’re asking someone for their real name which is kind of not something you do online unless you really know someone

Oh wait I’m looking at numbers. Do you put them like the other way around when typing them?
Like neunzehn
Which is a 9 and then 10?
Like how would I do 21 because my book only goes up to 20

[lunar lynx]

einundzwanzig

https://www.busuu.com/en/german/numbers

[magic token]

Grundzahlen (die man auswendig lernen muss)
│ Zahl │ Deutsch │

│ 1–12 │ eins, zwei, drei, vier, fünf, sechs, sieben, acht, neun, zehn, elf, zwölf │

│ 13–19 │ dreizehn, vierzehn, fünfzehn … (= Zahl + "zehn") │

│ 20, 30, 40… │ zwanzig, dreißig, vierzig, fünfzig, sechzig, siebzig, achtzig, neunzig │

---

Die Regel: Einer vor Zehner (mit "und")

▎ [Einer] + und + [Zehner]

│ Zahl │ Aufbau │ Deutsch │

│ 21 │ ein + und + zwanzig │ einundzwanzig │

│ 35 │ fünf + und + dreißig │ fünfunddreißig │

│ 47 │ sieben + und + vierzig │ siebenundvierzig │

│ 99 │ neun + und + neunzig │ neunundneunzig │

[frigid tinsel]

123: hundertdreiundzwanzig

Hundreds, Ones, then tens.

[nova wedge]

Danke

I noticed the one digit goes second to last, but everything else is in order

neun­hundert­neun­und­neunzig

900 + 9 + 90

That’s funny

[frigid tinsel]

Do you know the song 99 Lufttballons? Easy way to remember

Neun-und-neunzig Luftballon

[nova wedge]

Is it like 99 bottles on the wall

[frigid tinsel]

Oh, hmmm. I might just be old lol

It's one of the few German Language songs that got really popular in USA.

But it's from the 1980s so y'all kids might not know about it.

https://youtu.be/Fpu5a0Bl8eY

[nova wedge]

Never heard of it

[frigid tinsel]

Everyone from my generation knows this song though.

[nova wedge]

Führe Befehl sechsundsechzig aus.

[dreamy lintel]

I mean I don't know if I could say I'm 'experienced' in learning languages. I know two, and English is my second language, but I learned it at school naturally. I'm starting from the beginning but I do know some basic grammar and vocabulary because I reached A2 with a teacher previously but I had exams during that time so I stopped and almost forgot everything. I can spend about 2 hours learning daily.

[frosty wraith]

How long do yall study a day?

[copper bronze]

idk like 30mins-1hr

[sleek pebble]

i try to do an hour at the very least

[hollow umbra]

And fun fact, it was brought to the US by Christiane F, the famous drug addict child prostitute from "Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo"

[nova wedge]

Dose Germans have text language like English?
Like Np lol lmao or r u

[sleek pebble]

pretty sure close to every language does

[hollow umbra]

hdgdl 🥰

[nova wedge]

What does that represent in German also the translation

[nova wedge]

I was just curious

[sleek pebble]

hab dich ganz doll lieb

shoulda put that in quotes but when in doubt, assume i mean it platonically

[hollow umbra]

dbddhkp

(Doof bleibt doof, da helfen keine Pillen)

[sleek pebble]

wgd wmds

[nova wedge]

That sounds like Forrest Gump

[hollow umbra]

lmaa (Leck mich am Arsch), ganz wichtig

[nova wedge]

lol

[sleek pebble]

lache meinen arsch ab

lol (lachen ohne laute)

XD XD

[nova wedge]

If ask so for their favorite animal stuff animal would it be

Was ist dein Lieblingskuscheltiertier?
Lol

[sleek pebble]

yes

nooo wait

only one tier

[nova wedge]

But I’m asking for your particular favorite animal as a stuffed animal not your favorite stuffed animal

[sleek pebble]

tier at the end makes it neutral gender btw

[sleek pebble]

then i guess it would be correct

[nova wedge]

lol

[sleek pebble]

personally i would ask something like „Was wäre dein Lieblingstier als Kuscheltier?“

or „Was wäre dir als Kuscheltier am liebsten?“

[nova wedge]

I think it sounds funny though

Or Lieblingstierkuscheltier

For real question, how do you ask which the to use in German? Is there a word for the groups of different the?
Die das der den dem

I guess you just asked what gender the word is

[sleek pebble]

noun gender dictates the article, unlucky for you, it’s rather arbitrary and for the most part there is no way to tell by looking at the word, so you have to memorize it alongside the noun itself

save for some few patterns

[nova wedge]

I mean, there are some words with certain endings that are usually a certain gender is what I was told

[sleek pebble]

the difference between, for example, der and den is dictated by case, a grammatical concept that depends on the function a noun has within a sentence

[sleek pebble]

yeah

-ung is feminine for example

[nova wedge]

Yeah, I need to really sit down and learn all the endings. I just can only take a few at a time otherwise I forget.

[sleek pebble]

but with the bulk of all nouns, you can’t tell

bit of an unfortunate thing about germanic languages for learners

[nova wedge]

But how would you ask in German for the correct one to use?

[sleek pebble]

for the correct gender?

[nova wedge]

Yes

[sleek pebble]

there is no way to ask really

german speakers just know by gut feeling

[nova wedge]

Ok

[sleek pebble]

yeah it’s a bit frustrating =/

[nova wedge]

I can’t say

Welches grammatische Geschlecht hat das Wort „Katze“?

[sleek pebble]

ohhh that’s what you mean

yeah of course

that would be correct

[nova wedge]

Oh ok

[astral yoke]

Or you just ask (not that bulky)
Ist das Wort XX weiblich/männlich/sächlich?

[sleek pebble]

(weiblich/männlich/sächlich)

[astral yoke]

Oh, natürlich!

[nova wedge]

Thanks I was going to ask. Is there easier way to say that for my level?

[astral yoke]

with "Das Wort ..." you make it clear that it's not abt the animal (in front of you)...

[dreamy haven]

N: Leb wohl, Mascha, lange nicht gesehen! Es ist schon eine Weile her, als ich dich das letzte Mal getroffen habe. Wie geht es dir?
M: Wau, hallo! Alles geht gut mit mir. Allerdings habe ich meine letzte Arbeit verlassen und ich suche nach einer neuen Arbeit.
N: Ich bin interessiert, was war dein Beruf? Ich bin nämlich Geschirrspüler bei Gazprom. Ich glaube, dass alle Arbeite sind gut. Übrigens, wie geht es mit deinen Eltern?
M: Alles geht gut mit ihnen, insgesamt, sie sind lebendig und gesund. Vor ein Jahr hat die Mutter eine Rente bekommen begonnen. Der Vater arbeitet noch als Baggerfahrer bei Gazprom.
N: Wau, bekommt sie schon eine Rente? Warum?
M: Sie hat seit 20 Jahre als Kindermädchen in dem Kindergarten gearbeitet. Wann war sie fünf-und-zwanzig Jahre alt, sie sollte eine Rente bekommen. Sie vermisst insgesamt die alte Arbeit.
N: Sag ihnen hallo von mich.
M: Sag auch deinen Eltern Hallo von mich. Übrigens, wie geht es mit deinen Eltern?
N: Die Mutter arbeitet in einer Fabrik als Wirtschaftsprüferin. Sie sind immer noch ledig. Es gab eine Hochzeit von meiner Schwester am Vorabend. Sie hat einen Türken verheiratet und ist in die Türkei geflogen für die Flitterwochen.
M: Die Flitterwochen, das klingt gut! Warum hast du nicht gesagt?
N: Sie hat vor allen die versteckt. Schon vor uns.
M: Das ist eine Überraschung! Also, ich warte eine Einladung zu der Hochzeit, mein Freund.
N: Gut, ich werde durch E-Mail dich sie schicken. Also, ich solle los. Viel Glück.
M: Ich verstand. Tschüss.

Kann irgendwer diesen Text prüfen und die Fehler zeigen an? Ich sollte einen Dialog bilden und ich glaube, dass der Text ist ein paar kompliziert.

[empty vale]

Sowas schickt man in #writing

Hier handelt sich es eben um grammatikalische Sachen

Alles schriftliche gehört dazu

[dreamy haven]

Ja, ich verstand

Danke

[hollow umbra]

"Heißt es der, die oder das Katze?"

[frigid tinsel]

Until I'm done at least my Anki + Grammar exercises. It is a bit over an hour/day. I don't feel like I'm doing all the practice I want though. I also have constant German Music while I'm driving, so at least 30 minutes daily of various songs or sometimes German language podcasts.

But driving means my focus is on not crashing, not on the words. It's a very passive kind of listening.

[bright orbit]

Does anybody know of any good apps for learning German?

[nova wedge]

I know ones you don’t want to try

[jovial remnant]

anki

[nova wedge]

Lingo legend is fun but it give you choices that is impossible to know the right answer with multiple ones are correct

Sie
A: she
B: they
C: you
D: he

Like what?

[astral yoke]

If its really Sie it can only be you (formal!)

[nova wedge]

It just sie but it can be they or she

[astral yoke]

Yeah but Sie <> sie ‼️

[nova wedge]

Auto capitalization because it’s at the beginning of my phone sorry

Also question do you pronounce them different?

Like is it see and zee

[astral yoke]

No not a bit!!!

[nova wedge]

I guess you only know in context in a sentence verbally

You say it like zee right?

[astral yoke]

Haben Sie noch eine weitere Frage? (only one person around)

[nova wedge]

I’m good I need to look for one of my friends to practice with

[frigid tinsel]

They conjugate the verb differently.

Sie fragt ... (she asks)
Sie fragen ... (you/they ask)

[astral yoke]

Sie/sie fragen ^^

[frosty wraith]

So I have these 200 verbs flash cards at home, would it be fine to learn these before branching out into more adjectives and nouns?

[remote needle]

how long does it take to reach B2

[livid crown]

depends on how much time you spend on studying per day

and the quality of the studying

[remote needle]

4 hrs?

[livid crown]

maybe 1 year or 1.5

[frigid tinsel]

You might be surprised how quickly you'll run through 200 vocab words. At 10 per day, it's only 20 days.

So yeah, just go through them, it's less than you might realize.

[livid crown]

do you use anki?

I have a 2300 vocab deck

[frigid tinsel]

Is it the 200 conjugated verbs deck from the top of Amazon.com??

It's fine. Just remember that definitions are a bit subjective, especially because many of those common verbs have many meanings. Secondly, 6 Present Tense conjugations are kinda redundant, and the lack of preterite / participle forms was .... ehhhhhhh

It's fine for a beginner.

[frosty wraith]

yeah

problem is i took german 1 at my uni during last fall semester as a blow off easy A class. ended up liking it, german 2 wont happen till next fall so now i wanna keep it up but not really sure where to start on the solo learning side of this

[nova wedge]

What I’m finding out is words that are kinda similar related to each other
Liebe = love
Lieber = dear
Lieblich = lovely
Liebling = like your lover /darling
Lieblings = your favorite/ beloved

[frigid tinsel]

Oh you're German 1 level? Hmmmmm

So a few notes: the 200 verb deck doesn't tell you about reflexive verbs or Dativ verb forms. Which is fine, these are kind of German 2 / A2 level when you really learn stuff like Dativ verbs or Reflexive verb forms....

I'm pretty sure the verb "errinnern" is in there, which is to remind.

However, it says "to remember" on the card. This is because "sich errinnern" is a reflexive use

Think of "to help" vs "help yourself". The "yourself" or "myself" changes the meaning of the verb. Same thing in German. erinnern means to remind. But "ich erinnern mich" means to remember. The "myself" adds to it.

I know it's above your level so don't worry about really understanding it. But, you'll probably run into little things like that while studying that 200 verb list. Overall, just look up the words in a dictionary and try to learn context. And remember that doing so at only German 1 level means you are still missing some grammatical concepts. So be sure to come back and ask questions as this stuff comes up....

I would have made those 200 verb cards differently.

[misty sinew]

Personally i find flashcards not so useful lol. I remember getting bombarded with hundreds of new words when I was learning B1-B2. Just go through with it

Better to understand verbs and words contextually

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, 200 cards is not much. It's worth giving it a shot and seeing if it works.

The real issue is that the example sentences of that particular card set are missing a lot of context....

[scenic obsidian]

And what's your method for that?

[misty sinew]

Try to find out what the word means as you read a text or hear it. I‘ve been reading newspapers and articles in German like Spiegel or DW, or listening to yaps in German like podcasts or youtube videos.

[indigo bear]

I also don't find them useful, but for some people they work very well.

[misty sinew]

Maybe overwhelming at first, but it is the pain that I had to go through

[frigid tinsel]

Like it's nominally an A2 verb card list because it clearly assumes the user knows Reflexive or Dative verbs. But it only covers present tense, so it feels too incomplete for an actual A2 student.

[scenic obsidian]

That can work, but it depends on the person. Some people find the news incredibly boring, for example

[misty sinew]

Yeah true

[scenic obsidian]

also, I've heard some people say they don't like Easy German Podcast, which to me sounds like heresy, but apparently some people just don't like it 🤷

[misty sinew]

But Textverstehen is an integral part of any German test so you still gotta do it

[astral yoke]

If you look at word-groups like that you will find similar patterns in many languages:
In German we say
Schatz (treasure) or Schätzchen (little treasure) to someone who is precious to us (partner or kids e.g.) in Italien it's the same (tesoro) or cara/caro which in French becomes 'ma chere'/'mon cherie' -> my "most expensive" -> the one that is dearest to me...

[misty sinew]

After a while I find it kinda oberflächlich

ARD podcasts offer more diverse topics but it‘s like C1 and C2

[frigid tinsel]

I did a big word dump, sorry for that. The TLDR is: read and understand those example sentences on the cards. They are the best part of those cards.

If you can understand those example sentences, you'll be solid and avoid the issues I ranted about.

[hollow pasture]

i find it boring because i dont really like content framed around being content, i have found more success consuming native-aimed content

even if they dont enunciate as clearly or slowly so its tougher to understand in the beginning

also i really hate that easy german compulsorily puts english subs, i have to hide them with a piece of paper

[misty sinew]

True.

ARD Mediathek is a gold mine for that

[jovial remnant]

I'm pretty much one of them 🙂

[hollow pasture]

radio news is really good unironically

[astral yoke]

I think they do a pretty good job in explaining ... except when it comes to explaining dialects... Then their examples are made for non dialectal ppl to understand which is of course not the real deal.
You asked me some days ago to bring examples that are hard to understand and it's pretty hard to get those on the internet bc most things there aim for a big audience. But if you try to understand Hillus_herzdropfa (I found her on Instagram) with the episode of the 'henne inne denne denna' you could get an idea. Problem with ppl with a strong (and authentic) dialect talk in their dialect only with ppl they know (and will understand); with 'foreigners' they try and use standard German 🤷‍♂️

[hollow pasture]

to be clear i dont HATE easy german or anything, for anyone who is genuinely interested in the content of the videos, they would be very useful

but ive seen so many learners try and force themselves to consume content aimed at learners which they would never obv watch in their native language

so i think even if its difficult at the start, just consuming native content is good

[hollow pasture]

i mean, a german teaching channel probably wont try earnestly to teach more than just superficial qualities of dialects

since theyre really focused on making you speak formal standard german

Problem with ppl with a strong (and authentic) dialect talk in their dialect only with ppl they know (and will understand); with 'foreigners' they try and use standard German 🤷‍♂️
you'd be surprised lol i think it might vary based on region

[scenic obsidian]

The podcast is not the same thing as the youtube channel

[scenic obsidian]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-gasp-telenovela-gasps-in-spanish-lNMF3DXBSVvlhbME4R

[hollow pasture]

both have them

unless you mean episodes released off their youtube channel?

[scenic obsidian]

the audio podcast has english subs?

[hollow pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIPR1D44BOQ

do you mean this?

[scenic obsidian]

They occasionally put an episode of the podcast up on their YouTube, but most of the episodes are audio-only

[hollow pasture]

ah okay

didnt know that

[scenic obsidian]

https://www.easygerman.org/podcast/episodes

[scenic obsidian]

I found an Austrian podcast the other day

except it only has 1 episode so far? But there's some hint that they've done something before?

||https://open.spotify.com/episode/1E31loTMab1erw61eFbsb4?si=22ab4a6d665f44ef||

[astral yoke]

yk, I've travelled the whole country (for my job) for over 30 years and came across many dialects and what I wrote above is a bit of a summary to that experience.

[hollow pasture]

okay

[scenic obsidian]

Hillus herzdropfa, I think I understand < 50% of what she's saying 🤣

[frosty wraith]

Not at all, I appreciate the advice/help! my main thing is I want to be ahead going into the class. But not like shockingly ahead, I have until August to make some progress so just looking for the best path for now

[scenic obsidian]

<@&305455824174710787>

[misty sinew]

….

[astral yoke]

with that specific episode? I had to hear it a couple of times to get the details 😉

[scenic obsidian]

I went to her instagram and clicked on the first thing that popped up

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKgh3YjtZU2/

hillus_herzdropfa

Ma soll ja bekanndlich id mit em Strom schwemma 🏊‍♀️

#hillusherzdropfa #herzdropfa #schwäbisch #schwabenmeme #comedy #schwäbischealb #schwäbischesprüche

Likes

14805

Instagram

It might as well be Dutch for how much I understand

[misty sinew]

How is Swabian even german

[scenic obsidian]

Because Swabia never split off from the rest of Germany, 😄

[astral yoke]

Hey now!!! 😜
They say
Mir kenned älles außer Hochdeitsch 🤷‍♂️

[scenic obsidian]

(Wir können alles außer Hochdeutsch)

[misty sinew]

🙃

[astral yoke]

Oh I found the episode, have fun listening!
https://www.instagram.com/hillus_herzdropfa/reel/DWHnAFpFqmC/
I hope this is not against the server rules 🫣
In the comments there is even a standard German transcript, BUT WAIT and listen first....!

[frigid tinsel]

I think A2 is overall like 1500 words or so? You really can get too far ahead in German even with like word lists composed of only 200 verbs. In any case, the study will make life easier for you later!.

[karmic crown]

Bruder I passed it. My strongest is Sprechen🏔️

[frigid tinsel]

Congrats!

[karmic crown]

A2 now in April 20. Our Mock exam is harder than the official. XD. We are required to nail 70% of the scores each of the category

I'll continue listening to your recommendation last time, while playing stardew valley in Deutsch. XD

[frigid tinsel]

"Heute haben wir keine Autos" <--- Why is this plural?

I know in English, zero can be plural depending on the situation. Its fine if there's no hard rule here... but I feel like zero / kein usually leads to singular forms of nouns.

[winter stream]

whats the context? sounds like a car dealership that suddenly, unexpectedly ran out of cars or the like

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, its a grammar exercise. I have to write the opposite of the sentence.

[winter stream]

in other contexts you can certainly encounter the singular too. but insofar as thats your question, yes you can get either, fundamentally

[frigid tinsel]

Question: Heute haben wir Autos
Opposite: fill in the blank.

[winter stream]

i see

yeah just negate it in the plural i suppose

[frigid tinsel]

The answer in the back was negative-plural. I wrote down "Früher hatten wir kein Auto".

So I guess my question really is: was my original sentence wrong? It sounds like "it depends", and as a grammar exercise we just have to make some kind of assumption for the surrounding context...

Since this is a somewhat artificial example...

[winter stream]

hm two things

a) your example is grammatical, but the combination of früher + present tense (+ negation) sounds like you mean "not before [X], not earlier than [X]" rather than "in the past", but thats neither here nor there
b) i would negate it in the plural if the original proposition had a plural, just accepting that its a bit contrived and the original sentence sounds a bit weird already without context

so like, whichever way you look at it, its maybe a bit weird, but it is a sentence one can say. but i would negate the plural with a plural here, yeah

[frigid tinsel]

Oh snap, I wrote down the wrong verb, lol.

Brain fart.

[winter stream]

haha

[frigid tinsel]

If you wanna see the full context.

Huh, I spelled "wenig" incorrectly, now that I'm looking at it again

[winter stream]

look at sentences 9 and 11 again as well

two small errors in both

[frigid tinsel]

Oh dear. "Früher hattet ihr kein Geld"

[winter stream]

jupp :p

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm

I guess "mehre" is better than viele for #11 ?

[winter stream]

no

the issue is with the ending, viel has a special behavior

you wouldnt inflect it in that position but say viel Zeit

everything you need to know about this is summarised on wiktionary quite well

[frigid tinsel]

weird.

[winter stream]

but in simple terms just remember the first and third points

dont inflect viel before a singular noun (a mass noun usually) unless preceded by a definite article or demonstrative, and dont inflect mehr

[winter stream]

yeah

no idea why it's this way

but it's how people speak 🤷

[frigid tinsel]

That's language for ya!

[winter stream]

eyup

[sharp bolt]

Du bist immer für mich da
Und wenn nicht immer
Dann immerhin immer wieder mal

What is immerhin in this context?

I also don't understand the last sentence in general

Mal is nochmal so once again, immer is always

Oh immer wieder

"Then at least now and again"?

[winter stream]

in most contexts immerhin means 'at least' (not so much for establishing a minimum number but for expectation)

[winter stream]

yes!

[sharp bolt]

Synonym for zumindest and wenigstens

[winter stream]

yes!

[sharp bolt]

Noice. Danke Vän!

Wait

[winter stream]

👁️ 👁️

[sharp bolt]

Mal means nochmal there right? Not as a particle?

[winter stream]

i would have to think about whether it's the 'instance' meaning of mal or the statement softener one

[sharp bolt]

[winter stream]

but it should be the 'a time, an instance' one i suppose

[sharp bolt]

Then wouldn't it be redundant?

Immer wieder already means now and again

[winter stream]

yeah you could leave it out i guess

its pretty natural though

redundancy isnt a problem

i think immer mal wieder / immer wieder mal communicates sporadicness better whereas immer wieder on its own borders on 'constantly'

[sharp bolt]

[tawny fractal]

Doesn't feel like it means nochmal

[sharp bolt]

So u think it's the softening particle

[tawny fractal]

Idk but "immerhin immer wieder nochmal" ?? Makes no sense to me

[winter stream]

yeah you couldnt slot in 'nochmal' there exactly, but i find it's almost equally split between the instance meaning and the softening one

[tawny fractal]

agreed

[sharp bolt]

The song is called "du bist immer für mich da" if it helps

By Mayberg

[sharp bolt]

Aight. I'll just... leave it on the shelf and maybe it comes up again in the future lol

Thanks guys

[winter stream]

:p

[worn meadow]

Pefekt: Die Lebensbedingungen der Fische sind besser geworden.
Die Lebensbedingungen der Fische wurden verbessert.

Ist meine Antwort korrekt?

Die Frage selbst ist mir etwas unklar

[tawny fractal]

Muss im Perfekt sein

[tawny fractal]

Was genau?

[winter stream]

yeah thats how i interpret it too. that the second one is also supposed to be in Perfekt

ansonsten denke ich nur, dass du vermutlich auch das wieder mit in den Satz einbauen sollst. sonst gut

[worn meadow]

Also hat...verbessert?

[winter stream]

vergiss werden nicht

[sharp bolt]

I think he already wrote it in perfekt

Above the picture in text

Y'all must not have seen it

[winter stream]

whatcha mean?

[worn meadow]

Pefekt: Die Lebensbedingungen der Fische sind besser geworden.
Die Lebensbedingungen der Fische wurden verbessert.

[winter stream]

theres two sentences to be written, the first is perfect but wurden verbessert in the second one is 'only' Präteritum

[sharp bolt]

Ah I see

I've never used verbessern in Präteritum

[winter stream]

atleast i would interpret the task to be to write the sentence with verbessern also in the Perfekt

[worn meadow]

how should the 2nd sentence be?

[winter stream]

well the passive verb werden is whats in the preterite here

[sharp bolt]

Oh is it verbessert worden?

[winter stream]

so i assume you should replace wurden with the perfekt of werden

[winter stream]

bingo

[worn meadow]

Ach sooo

[winter stream]

... sind verbessert worden

[worn meadow]

ok danke

[winter stream]

👍

:p

[worn meadow]

ich habe dieses Form kaum gehört

[winter stream]

Sätze, die schon ein Hilfsverb haben, ins Perfekt setzen, ist, wo deutsche Verben anfangen, wirklich kompliziert zu werden 🫠

thats a stupendous amount of commas, apologies for making you try to parse that

[sharp bolt]

"...have become improved"

[winter stream]

the tricky thing in german is of course that the 'become' gets moved from before 'improved' to after 'improved', and has a special form (worden not geworden)

[sharp bolt]

Die Form, Formen

[sharp bolt]

Joa aber die Grammatik gilt noch. Der Satzbau sollte nicht kompliziert sein wenn man zu diesem Niveau gelernt hat

Das Verb in der zweiten Position und der Reste geht zum Ende :p

[edgy forum]

How do the voice channels work here? Can I join any? There are like these study groups in the bottom how can I join a group like that?

[sharp bolt]

Just click on them and join

[edgy forum]

What about the study groups?

Are they like premade groups and how do I join a group like that?

[tawny fractal]

Some might be, but others no. If they're they'll just let you know

So you can just join any

[sharp bolt]

The bot creates them procedurally. You can join and wait for someone else to join or contact people and set up a group first

[edgy forum]

Where can I find people for a study group?

[tawny fractal]

I meant the ones that have people 😆

[edgy forum]

Oh yeah I understand

[tawny fractal]

#1065443550004781067

[indigo bear]

No, there's nothing like that officially. The Study Group channels are just small channels so people can study together.

[sharp bolt]

Or just ask people in dms or general chat

Or anywhere really

[indigo bear]

As long as you're not spamming strangers.

Only ask people who you know or which posted in the Meet New People thread.

[edgy forum]

Ooo okie

[edgy forum]

Where is the meet new people thread?

[indigo bear]

#1065443550004781067

[edgy forum]

Ohh that onee

[edgy forum]

Okie so I just post my introduction and let others to message me or I can also message other people?

Wait but the DMs are closed I won't be able to dm them though 😕

[indigo bear]

Yeah. As long as they say in their post that it's fine to contact them then feel free.

[edgy forum]

I see

[indigo bear]

Yeah, you need to send a friend request to DM people.

[edgy forum]

I can dm them after they accepted it right?

[indigo bear]

Yes.

[edgy forum]

Okie thanksss

[light leaf]

why do we say du musst dich anmelden
and not du musst anmelden ,, we already used du why add another dich

[winter kayak]

reflexive verb

[sharp bolt]

reflexive verbs include the ''sich'' which must match the subject. in this case it translates pretty easily to ''yourself''

du musst dich anmelden
you have to log yourself in

translating like this doesn't always work but it should help you understand reflexive verbs better in some cases

[winter stream]

🤔 well, what's the question?

[sharp bolt]

@winter stream if you wouldn't mind, could you help fill in the gaps in my dictation?

[winter stream]

sure

[sharp bolt]

it's a short segment. can you see this video? https://youtu.be/8zPfZ7aFQxM?t=1484

he just speaks a bit too fast and i can't catch all the words and it's bugging me lol

[winter stream]

lmao i did not expect 8 out of 10 cats does countdown

[sharp bolt]

Henning: worüber jetzt [...] reden? (i assume something like ''wollten wir'' just by context)

[winter stream]

wo wollen wir jetzt drüber reden is what i hear

[sharp bolt]

LMAO i kept hearing ''oder reden''

Susie: weiß ich nicht. Wir könnten vielleicht ein bisschen Spaß haben

[winter stream]

oui

[sharp bolt]

Henning: ja aber nur ganz ein bisschen, [...] viel, sind hier schließlich bei der Arbeit

and then i think susie is trying to say ''who can we make fun of''

[winter stream]

yeah i cant tell what exactly he says thats drowned out by the laughter still. it does sound like it starts with a voiceless sound and ends in an -l but i think it's just wir, which would make more sense

[sharp bolt]

which would be ''über wen können wir uns lustig machen'' but she said ''um wen...''

[winter stream]

yeah that part is also where she's unclear to me

i couldnt tell you what she really mumbles

[sharp bolt]

''um wen könnten wir Spaß...''

[winter stream]

yeah that seems to be what she says but its not any more grammatical to me than it is to you

[sharp bolt]

#questions message

it seems she was trying to form the verb phrase for ''to make fun of someone''

you know us learners, messing up the prepositions

she supposedly has a Master's in German from Princeton

[winter stream]

yeah, and in the end i dont think its a full sentence. it's just sort of hinting at what she's actually trying to say

[sharp bolt]

and taught German for a year in the US

[winter stream]

she does speak extremely accent-free

[sharp bolt]

Henning: nee nee nee, zum verrückt werden, doch

i assume that means smth like ''to be driven crazy''?

[winter stream]

du not doch i should think. just that his vowel there is lowered to an o. this sort of use of du doesnt have any equivalent in english, no idea how to translate it

[winter stream]

not be driven, just go mad, how he uses it here is some sort of... hm. its vague enough that im not sure how to explain it. it's just like saying "mad." i guess

"mad (idea), i tell you" ? no clue

i guess zum verrückt werden is sometimes used as an intensifier, not that it's intensifying anything particular here

[tawny fractal]

Sounds like she's asking who they could make fun of

[sharp bolt]

ja we went over this

[tawny fractal]

Oh I skipped that one part 😆

[sharp bolt]

is verrückt an adjective there? normally if we say zum then what follows is a noun

[winter stream]

think of [verrückt werden] as one bit that you're nominalising

[sharp bolt]

ah

so with the du is he saying to Susie that she's having the mad idea?

like ''you're crazy''

[winter stream]

"zum [VERB PHRASE]" is a semi-common pattern that could roughly be translated as "makes you go [X]", "makes you wanna [X]"

the structure is like
es ist zum [nominalised verb phrase]
it's (good enough to/fit for/ just enough to make you) [X]

[sharp bolt]

ah so ''es ist zum verrückt werden'' = it makes you wanna go mad

[winter stream]

maybe i guess. id almost say both of those things (zum verrückt werden and du) are just conversational filler / dont have any literal content but just serve to keep the friendly conversation going on

i guess it could also be taken as "hah, very funny" quite simply

[winter stream]

other statements of this pattern are things like (es ist) zum Kotzen for when you're really not enjoying something (makes you wanna vomit) or es ist zum Mäusemelken for when you think something is completely pointless (it's about as fruitless or finnicky as trying to milk mice, which serves as an absurd comparison)

[sharp bolt]

and then after that he just loses me completely lol i'm confident he speaks german words but they make no sense to me

Henning: gehen wir denn hinter noch schön von Drinksy oder (''drinksy'' is a joke that happened right before this bit in the show)

[winter stream]

it's coherent, though i think the use of für is english influence (go for a drink). gehen wir denn/dann hinterher noch schön für'n Drinksy

are we gonna go for a drinksy afterwards though/nevertheless?

[sharp bolt]

ah hinterher. it's all of these silly adverbs that always look familiar but never are

[winter stream]

haha

[sharp bolt]

and then what is ''noch schön'' doing there

cuz knowing german grammar neithr noch nor schön mean what they mean

[winter stream]

ah, uhhh, yeah

noch is the thing i translated as though/nevertheless, schön is... öh. äh. it's an adverb here that communicates that it'd be like... nice, enjoyable, maybe something youd 'casually' do, can also mean 'properly'

[sharp bolt]

[winter stream]

in english you might get the same effect in this sentence by imagining he said 'go for a nice drinksy'

[sharp bolt]

aso

i've never seen that

is it just me or does his german accent sound odd?

like he's slurring or mumbling

[winter stream]

id say it's decently similar to british colloquial/slang use of 'proper', or other stuff like 'a nice X', 'the old X'

[winter stream]

"yes". it's a completely normal thing, some people just talk like that, but it's not the uh peak neutral standard german diction of newsreaders or that people get taught

i thiiiink it's just some relatively non-specific... the-south-of-northern-germany colloquial speech

[sharp bolt]

i'm amazed she undestood him fine

this was delightful. thanks for the discussion!

[winter stream]

yeah okay he's from westphalia, this matches what i thought (i wouldn't have been surprised if it were eastphalia in southern Niedersachsen either, or the north of eastern germany, but this is also the range of spaces where i'm not good with placing accents)

[winter stream]

my pleasure, i also enjoyed this

[winter stream]

oh btw about this: im quite torn. the german expression ought to be auf not für atleast as far as i'm concerned, but i'd not use this with plain gehen even so. auf ein(...) X ausgehen sounds perhaps more like a date than just going drinking

[sharp bolt]

bin Chorleiter eines deutschen Chors. eine unserer Mitglieder kam aus Bayern und sie hat mir was lustig gesagt. Sie hat mir zugegeben dass ihrer Akzent für Hochdeutsch irgendwie wie ein Hinterwäldler ist

[winter stream]

but yeah i think für ein(en?) Drinksy gehen here is simply him calquing go for a X accidentally

[sharp bolt]

calq is a fantastic word

[winter stream]

calque, dont forget the two (2) silent letters :p

[winter stream]

oh yes germans have a lot of opinions on each other in this regard...

[winter stream]

(in german, a calque is a Lehnübersetzung 'loan translation' and i have no idea how to turn that into a verb phrase.)

[strange agate]

guys should i get A2 certificate or B1 certificate for going to university in germany

i can pass A2 easily but im like half in B1

should i try B1 or just get A2

is the B1 exam hard is the difficulty gap between A2 big

[indigo bear]

Please only ask in one channel at a time. #questions is a channel for questions about things like grammar and vocab. For questions about studying at uni in Germany, you should use #1033125270217048246 .

And the CEFR requirements are decided by the uni so you have to look up the info for each individual uni you apply to.

[strange agate]

i mean like the minimum requirement is A2 but would i have a higher chance of getting enrolled with a B1

[indigo bear]

Ask your uni.

[winter kayak]

B1, in my opinion, counts to the levels where it's still relatively "easy" to reach it in a short-ish time frame.

You obviously still have to work and drill a lot, learn new vocab, but the time isn't the prohibitive factor. As opposed to B2/C1, where there's basically no work-around for hours of exposure.

[strange agate]

can it be reached in 1 month

[winter kayak]

meh. Not really. But there are definitely intensive courses which claim that, so maybe you could pass a test, but that would be a lot of structured learning

[strange agate]

im already like halfway through B1 like i can understand the sayings but i still cannot form a proper B1 sentence

[winter kayak]

your current level also makes a difference. Did you "barely" pass A2? Or did you pass it with flying colours?

[strange agate]

i can pass A2 easily rn

[winter kayak]

okay, then your chances are better

[vagrant patrol]

which is better for a tragic poem about music?

[acoustic ferry]

Is it a great exercise to translate texts from a language i know to german and the other way

[edgy needle]

beides ziemlich liederlich

kein Reim, kein Rhythmus

kitschige Bilder

2/10

[dire ice]

Hallo Leute. I’m a bit confused while looking up words in the dictionary, especially with the explanation layout on dwds. Does anyone know what this text in green is noted for? And what do they means generally?

[winter stream]

the green bit tells you what sort of meaning this is or in what (social) context it is generally used.
on this picture these are, in order
-a technical sense in some job jargon or work context
-a metaphoric extension of the meaning (without further comment on its social role)
-a colloquial, informal use
-an elevated, high-register, formal or prestigious use

its social-linguistic information, more about what the use of something entails socially (tells your listeners about you, in a way) than what actual thing is referred to (which is described in the rest of the entry)

[dire ice]

That’s very specific, thanks a lot

I got confused from time to time, to read through all the explanation

[nova wedge]

I’m learning
The world Komme
Ich komme aus Amerika
Ich bin Amerikanischer
If I was female it’s Amerikanischerin

[lunar lynx]

Amerikaner/Amerikanerin

[winter stream]

in german theres a distinction between the uh. nouns of like.. nationality or ethnicity on the one hand, and the adjectives on the other

it's like "im a brit" versus "a british show"

[nova wedge]

Ops I spell it wrong

Ich bin Amerikaner

[winter stream]

the form amerikanischer does exist, so you'll probably have seen it to describe someone or something.
Ein amerikanischer Freund - an American friend
Ein Amerikaner - an American (person of that nationality)

[nova wedge]

My auto fill put it I did not read it fully also I don’t remember how to spell it on my own yet

[winter stream]

ah gotcha

:p

[edgy forum]

I started using this app called Anki. People suggested me I should use something called a frequency dictionary, is there a good frequency deck for Anki with 5000< words? I found some but they are really like cheap quality or like someone just made them with much effort, I don't care much about images I can learn without images but I care most about these few things. Audio with proper pronunciation,good example sentences which should have a option for audio, English translation, images is a plus but these things are a must

[edgy forum]

@ me if you have a deck like that or find one I need it as soon as possible please

[heavy badger]

how can i unlock voice chats

[livid steeple]

@heavy badger, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[nova wedge]

Also my book doesn’t teach me this yet but I learn this
Kommst Sie aus Deutschland?

[lunar lynx]

Kommst du or Kommen Sie

[nova wedge]

I keep using wrong ending I need to study more

Du fliegst
Ich fliege
Sie fliegen
er fliegt

[lunar lynx]

Yes. Please learn the basic conjugation pattern for regular verbs. When in doubt, you can use sites like verbformen.de or the conjugation section in dictionaries like Collins https://www.collinsdictionary.com/conjugation/german/kommen. You want to look at the "Present" section

[dire ice]

You can search the word in Verbformen, they give all the forms in a clearly page

[edgy forum]

Fyi I love these kind of layout decks and if there's like a deck with images similar layout then that's perfect for me if no images then please 5000 words with good translation and pronunciation etc, I can always download and add the images myself

[dire ice]

Hi may I ask again, what does the last one “gehoben” means? Does that mean this explanation is the most commonly/ widely used? Thanks!

[scenic obsidian]

Fancy/educated/posh-sounding

[winter stream]

yeah that

[scenic obsidian]

@winter stream I'm a teacher with several sections of students, not university, Grundschule. What do I call a section of students?

[winter stream]

errr, what do you mean by section

[scenic obsidian]

The children are split into 3 groups and go to different teachers as a group

I see one section in the morning, one in the middle of the day, one at the end of the day for my subject

[winter stream]

that just sounds like a class/Klasse to me

[scenic obsidian]

But I thought that means grade level

Sie sind in der 5. Klasse

Wir haben in der 5. Klasse 3 Klassen?

[winter stream]

it also means the uh. organisational groups within a garde

yeah

[scenic obsidian]

Seriously? This sentence is correct?

[winter stream]

i guess you might say "in der 5. drei Klassen" with ellipsis of Klasse the first time around?

i mean, Jahrgang is also a word if you thrist for more variety in how you refer to a grade

[scenic obsidian]

Is there another word for sections?

[winter stream]

but i dont off hand know how youd count Jahrgänge in a readily interpretable way. i dont think ive ever heard "im dritten Jahrgang"

no those are the prototypical Klassen i'd say

[scenic obsidian]

"Abteilung" is that only in the context of a business or something?

[winter stream]

this grade~class thing is certainly not something i've ever encountered confusion over in my time as a pupil

[winter stream]

yeah thats business or whatever, it's atleast not school

[scenic obsidian]

Als du ein Schüler warst, gab es mehr als eine Klasse in deiner Klasse, oder? 😉

[winter stream]

well in that context you use Jahrgang! i just dont know how to uh refer to the position of a grade in its "educational career" with a number

since that's so-und-so-vielte Klasse = n-th grade

[scenic obsidian]

What about "Lektion"?

[winter stream]

if you get a Lektion you did something wrong

(it's overwhelmingly "lesson" in the "i'm going to teach you a lesson (in xyz)!" sense)

[scenic obsidian]

I meant the first definition:

[winter stream]

it like exists, i guess

[scenic obsidian]

Or "Abschnitt" itself?

Es gibt 3 Abschnitte in der 5. Klasse

[winter stream]

it doesn't fit into what you want since if you use Lektion literally it's '(some amount of) course work'

[winter stream]

no, i tell you

[jovial remnant]

for reference I remember my german teacher calling his groups as Gruppe

[winter stream]

yeah if in doubt use Gruppe, if you must

[scenic obsidian]

Okay, thanks 🙏

[dire ice]

Thx

[dire ice]

I also heard teachers just call “Gruppe”, I think it’s just a casual way to describe?

[winter stream]

it's also quite possible that you hear Gruppe (more) due to either university or some less formal(ised) second language education classes

it's very decidedly Klasse within the ordinary german school system in my experience

but in university where it's a bit more fluid (well, a lot more arguably), Gruppe wouldn't be weird at all i find

[dire ice]

I would assume that students in university especially in age 18-22 wouldn’t care so much about how they are being called as long as it’s respectful and friendly, just casual would be good

[next frost]

how do I recieve permission to join voice channels? I want to sit in on lessons and absorb as much as I can from German speakers.

[livid steeple]

@next frost, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.