avatar-dynamics

[pearl ingot]

or at least able to turn on and off

[clever echo]

Is this trigger parameter type for the new avatar dynamics?

Why is it an option?

[devout star]

I've never used it, but it's been there forever.

[little owl]

triggers are useful in traditional animators. You can set them and then they'll be automatically turned off when they are used in a transition. But due to their nature where they may be turned on and then immediately turned off, it doesn't really make any sense to sync them through avatar parameters

[turbid badger]

its an animator thing

reminder that animators have existed in unity for years

they arent magical things created by vrchat

[robust pecan]

Doodly doo

[sonic narwhal]

Hey, I tried physbone-ing a cape and it looks fine in Unity, but VRChat makes it look like an invisible camel lump. Anyone here know how I can fix this?

[fresh helm]

need visual example of the issue and how it's setup in Unity

[turbid badger]

nope not really

you can use fixed joints since those are still allowed...?? for some reason..?

but that system is old and pretty bad

its how people did it before those constraints existed

[robust pecan]

So fixed joints which I presume as you said are old
would be more perfomance intensive and harder to deal with
are allowed on Quest?

fun
Guess I'll have to look into that

[turbid badger]

i didnt make the rules, complain to tupper or smtg

[robust pecan]

I'd love to

They make a lot of weird decisions from my perspective
some I've later found to be less weird but it'd still be nice to actually have a discussion
or at least more output for their reasoning as they seem to give very little without being directly asked

[turbid badger]

vrchat.canny.io

[robust pecan]

Trust me I use it
Even there they don't give much in the like of responses

[sonic narwhal]

Well in Unity, it looks like this

Then in VRChat, it looks like this

[fresh helm]

I think it's inside that green collider there

also based Blazblue model

you can go into play mode in Unity and have a good close look at it

could prob just make the cape's collider radius smaller to fix it honestly

[sonic narwhal]

Again, in Unity, it works just fine. But I could try messing with the cape collider

[north hatch]

is there a setting to make dynamics grabbable or poseable only by me?

[sonic narwhal]

Would the default colliders have anything to do with it? I never really touched those

[fresh helm]

Nah, shouldn't

it's probably just Unity having a Unity moment and for some reason the colliders on there are all slightly smaller than ingame :^)

[sonic narwhal]

Well that's annoying lol

[simple elk]

🔨 derp nm collider

[next mauve]

Okay, I'm looking for "Is this possible?"

I essentially want to make a gun that someone else can pick up from me and fire.

1. Picking up the gun is easy, give it a phys bone and as much stretch as possible.
2. The difficult part is making it fire when they pull the trigger.

Since I don't have access to their gesture parameters, I need a way to guess if their finger is curled. Right now my thought is to use a Contact Receiver and check for proximity. Essentially once it is grabbed, check to see a change in distance with the index finger. Once the distance meets a threshold, trigger the gun to fire...

I'm just looking to see a sanity check if there is an easier way to do this. I know I could easily make a second custom avatar that passes a "Trigger is squeezed" value, but I want this to work for anyone, regardless of avatar.

[jolly crane]

your main problem is that the other person cannot rotate the gun

the grabbing is only position

unless you had 2 physbones, and made it a 2 handed weapon

but that's still not perfect

[next mauve]

Hmm.. I did not think of that...

Maybe it's possible to pick up two objects at the same time? ... then you could interpret the orientation...

(I don't think you can actually pick up two objects with one hand at the same time though... )

[onyx vapor]

Random out of the box idea. You could maybe add multiple contacts to act as kind of axis detection. Then when one of those detects a finger, you know roughly which direction the hand is and can manually animate it's rotation based on that. It would be jank.

[next mauve]

Ah true! I do have collision with not just the hands but also the fingers.. not sure how to get that mapped to 3D rotation though...

I'm sure some mad scientist on here will find a way... if not maybe something will click in my project..

Thanks for the feedback!

[onyx vapor]

So like, have a contact on the front middle, if finger collides with it you know the gun is held straight/ normal - do nothing. Another contact at the front right side - if that is touched then you know you need to rotate the gun about 45deg to line it up.
It would need a lot of contacts to make it accurate, too many, but thought it was an interesting idea

[next mauve]

Right, you could also quickly spin the object until you get the correct contacts... the problem is that it would be super janky and not update very well when the other person spins their hand... like it might flip around for a few seconds before aligning somewhat correctly...

You could also use the new distance detection with this ... but that would also get really complicated....

I think this is definitely something people are going to want.. I'd like to find a way to make it happen.

[modest tusk]

you could use the built in avatar->avatar colliders on the fingers and palm to collide with the physbone on the gun, provided that they grab the handle correctly

i did something like this to get a pseudo-DPS effect on something else

although that was attached to a parent and not floating somewhat freely so idk how well that’d work

[next mauve]

Hmm... what happens if you have two overlapping grabbable physbones? Does the other player grab both at once? Or just whichever it considers "closer"?

I'm thinking about the possibility of grabbing two physbones and using that to determine the rotation.

Kinda like how a two handed weapon would work...

[modest tusk]

it’s whichever is closer

[next mauve]

Darn... -.-

[modest tusk]

if you want people on quest to be able to pick it up too you might have a hard time getting that component value down

[modest tusk]

doing it like this does get rotation kinda down, tested by me, but idk how well it does on a free bone

[next mauve]

Yeah, I'm not focused on getting this to work for quest, I just want it to work at all...

[modest tusk]

i can’t see it being done with physbones just cuz they don’t do good with rotation

well

with only physbones

[next mauve]

I'm up for any solution... like... for example, we can calculate the distance from one collider to each of the fingers and wrist.. using avatar interactions... but I'm not exactly sure how to use that to actually determine where the gun needs to go.

[modest tusk]

honestly

try making a physbone in the handle of the gun, but with a smaller radius than the handle

you want it to fit inside the hand and palm colliders that come on the avatar, but you don’t want the physbone slipping through the cracks in the colliders

i’ve done it before for diff applications, but if done correctly it’ll rotate the physbone along with the hand

[next mauve]

Every avatar hands are different sizes and shapes though..

[modest tusk]

shit true

geez

[next mauve]

Some have their thumb in a totally different position

Hmm.. I'm still thinking using the "distance" to each digit might be the most reliable choice... but its only distance, not direction... and we can't really do calculations in vrchat...

[turbid badger]

one thing you could try is to orient it using 3 contacts and getting the values of them into a blend tree using proximity

from that u should be able to detect the axis based on the distance to the large colliders

maybe long capsules

using the hand collider

although i think this is too complicated for an avatar

and i would recommend just making it so you can holster and unholster with contacts or physbone

[dark drift]

is there a guide for somewhat world-constrained objects? Ie if I want an interactive prop like ball or bottle. I have some ideas but why not ask first.

[torn tendon]

For some reason my physbones (I converted them in Unity) are grayed out for people and they can’t manipulate them.

Do you guys know why? (I have the “Is grabbing?”) on.

[little owl]

they need a radius

[rain edge]

Hey everyone, still trying to get a custom to the new Dynamic/Phys bones system released no so long ago and appear to be having an issue one of my avatars I am working on for a friend.

Having issues with hair and cloth sticking out for no apparat reason after being converted from base Dynamic Bones to Phys Bones.

Doesn't appear to be any colliders pushing these parts you can see in the screenshots up. However, we wanted to know if there's any particular reason why this would be happening?

Help would be much appreciated!

[jolly crane]

well the first problem I can see is that massive collider under the floor

you don't need huge sphere colliders for floors anymore, you can use Plane physbone colliders

[rain edge]

Awesome! That's a change I can adopted no sweat!

[little owl]

it'd be good to change to a plane collider but that's certainly not the problem you're having

[rain edge]

I've seen same recommendations from other people regarding that. Plane Collider for the floor it is.

[little owl]

the problem is because you have physbones inside colliders on the body

[rain edge]

You may be onto something there...

This is a live view of all the dets

[little owl]

first thing to try would be to make a curve on the radius so that the first bones have a smaller collider

physbones behaves differently because it's made out of capsules instead of spheres, which makes for significantly better collision against small objects like hands but when you put physbones inside a large collider they tend to be pushed very strongly out rather than being brushed away

[rain edge]

So there might be a collider inside lifting up one of the first bones on the front and back cloth?

[rain edge]

True true

[little owl]

yes, clearly

[rain edge]

Looks like you're right. This is clearly different from the OG Dynamic Bones we're use too. I'll try and make a few edits on the offending colliders.

They're really not needed there anyway.

There's already colliders surrounding the legs/body to stop the parts clipping through the body.

[little owl]

It's good to get your latest stuff up to date and using physbones as it should be used, however the team is well aware of this particular issue so a solution to that is on the way. No need to panic and reupload everything

[hushed trail]

hey to budge in a bit - i had to put a position constraint component on the plane/floor collider, otherwise it would strictly be beneath my avatar instead of strictly on ground-level

[rain edge]

I've got copies. Happy to edit any way possible 😄

No panic, if it breaks? Well I just revert to a previous backup.

I'm trying your recommendations though. Modifying the sizes and some colliders and removing a few I can see bunched up near the bits.

[rain edge]

@little owl Looks like you were right on the money

Adjusting the sizes, removing some colliders and modifying the collisions has fixed it.

Not sure why this avatar has almost 15 to begin with? Time to optimise manually.

Really appreciate your help!

[snow spire]

So question, is it true you need to animate Parent and/or rotation constraint to do something like this?
https://twitter.com/necuroN/status/1521780649069522945?s=20&t=mf8ClnkNWDvMB_EY84IKmA

凪＠エルデンリングうううううう (@necuroN)

やっとトリガー引くだけでもてるタイプの剣と槍とかの実装できた！　先人たちの知恵に大感謝！ #VRChat #PhysBones

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Or this
https://twitter.com/Rusk1221/status/1519078977377234944?s=20&t=mf8ClnkNWDvMB_EY84IKmA

らすく (@Rusk1221)

夜寝れなかったからPhysBonesで刀の抜刀みたいなのを作ってみた
カメラアングル雑すぎない…？
#PhysBones
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[remote ferry]

Not quiet sure why that is tagged as physbones tbh

But yes

You would have to animate a parent constraint for that

[snow spire]

Alrighty, thanks

[mellow hawk]

I feel like you could do this by monitoring a phys bones {parameter}_Stretch driver. At X stretch turn off one sword and turn on a duplicate parented to a hand.

Would take up more tri's then parent constraints tho would be quest compatible.

[dark drift]

I've placed contact reciever on random object. When Reciever Type (variable) set to Constant it works just fine, debug capsule lits green and debug console shows True. But if I select Proximity capsule starts blinking (still blue=inactive) and var is always 0.0

looks like capsule doesn't work for proximity, sphere works ok

[simple elk]

capsules dont really work too well - yep 🐇

[next mauve]

Yeah. This is where our conversation was headed... definitely seems overly complicated for what it is.. but it would work... hmm..

Also, good idea with the blend tree. I was thinking of using just animations, but a blend tree would be much cleaner.

Also, as a reminder, the theme was to allow someone other than the avatar player to pick up your weapon and use it.

[torn tendon]

what makes physbones shake in that really gross way when i move

[turbid badger]

stuttering?

what do you mean shake?

[torn tendon]

not so much shake

cant think of a better word though

it reaches the point i set for the angle limit thing and then just shakes

kinda bugs me out

[turbid badger]

oh that happens for me sometimes

do you have any Scale value for your armature or bones?

Scale does not like to cooperate with physbones

like at all

[torn tendon]

no

i think i just dont udnerstand physbones good enough yet

is there any kind of ingame debug for physbones or something

[turbid badger]

yes and no

you can test in unity with much better view

but in vrchat the only option you have is Physbone view in Avatar Overlay

but it only shows your colliders

nothing useful

[green robin]

Question would it be possible to make audio play on the movement of a bone like for example a bell, Would I need to set up a float that plays the audio at a set angle

Or would it be better to just have a sender/receiver set up that just plays the audio on contact?

[mellow hawk]

I believe that with the phys bone angle driver is updated if just the transform changes.
So something like a cat bell would play if the avatar moves or is hit.

[naive thicket]

On the VRChat docs, there is an implication that a contact receiver can set a parameter to a specified value, but the values it sets seems to be predetermined? Am I missing something or is that just how it works? I was hoping to be able to set an int parameter to 2 upon contact.

[toxic dawn]

How do I make it so the hands wouldn't go throurugh the fabric by using physbones?

[harsh copper]

just

dont use physbones on the bones that should cover the hands

only add physbones lower

Any update on physbone component parameters being animatable?

[vale tapir]

do yall have any advice on optimizing a skirt for the new physbone features? I'm trying to make it stiff instead of floaty.

[late bridge]

hit the play button and just start messing with the sliders. once its at a point you are happy with, copy it, hit the play button again, and paste values

[worn mica]

Imma ask here by any chance, anyone has a bow prefab that works with physbones?

[torn tendon]

so im trying to work on a headpat thing for my avatar.. but is it normal for a float value to not have "equals" instead of just greater and less?

[dark drift]

It is but why would you need float variable at collision for this?

[torn tendon]

i was following a video that told me it "needed" to be a float for some reason?

if theres another way i should go about this id love to know!

[simple elk]

int / bool & float work now, use bool for that one

[dark drift]

Make var constant (bool), in animator default empty state, if var goes true goto play sound after that (exit time 1) go back (if head still being patted it will play again but it wont allow spaming). I'd do smth like this

[torn tendon]

ahh thank you both !!

[mellow hawk]

Floats were the only way to contacts before in the beta, so a lot of videos got outdated after the update.

Best to read the bottom of the component tool tip, will tell you what it needs for that interaction type.

[gusty whale]

I have a small issue that I need some help with. I have some avatars that, when I put them into VRC, the physbones kind of spasm, and it's only in VRC that they do. I test them in Unity, and they're fine.

[mellow hawk]

Check to see if you have a colder inside the bones radius

[stark pond]

has anyone figured out how to get physic bones to interact with blend shapes (IE constraint the blendshape value based on the stretch value)

[gusty whale]

I tried that, and I'm not finding any colliders.

[rain ice]

Idk about editing the blendshape itself, just make it into an animation and mess with the parameters in your fx layer

[mellow hawk]

You can assign a parameter for the phys bone to the value of. When you set the Parameter field the component will generate three drivers: {parameter}_IsGrabbed, {parameter}_Angle and {parameter}_Stretch
Using these drivers you can control anything on your avatar animation controller. So you could use these drivers to control an animation that had a blend shape.

[rain ice]

I have these all set up to play my existing hand gestures, they could be set to anything

[torn tendon]

I bow to you genius

[simple elk]

Not sure why you have them all in one layer, only one of them can be active at once

[turbid badger]

^^^

just make one layer per gesture per hand if you want full control and using Write Defaults

otherwise u need to do all left and right hand gestures in a layer for each hand

[rugged pendant]

When I'm on PC, and a Quest user grabs my PhysBones and drags them, I can't see it. Is that normal and something I can't fix? Or did I mess something up with the avatars? The PC and Quest version all have the same components, except the Quest version has a few less PhysBones and a Quest-compatible shader.

[gusty whale]

Does anyone have a solution for spasming physbones?

[leaden crypt]

has anyone ever resolved using physbones with skirts? i was trying to figure out why skirts keep clipping through the legs and i found out that even as hinge-type joints the physbones just pass through or ignore the colliders outright

[soft sorrel]

Just a question how come only 8 phys bone pieces

[torn tendon]

Hey is it just me or is there a delay in the phybones now

[faint atlas]

so im playing around with avatar dynamics, and i want an animation to play for both users when 2 of the same avatar come into contact, with a custom sender and receiver.
i was under the impression that simply making a sender and receiver on both, while disallowing self, would make it work, but this seems to fail and acts like the sender is self interacting regardless when in play mode

also tested by disabling sender on 1 and recevier on the other and it did work, so the issue is definitely related to it not disallowing self properly.

[dense bridge]

OOP Wrong channel sorry

[sudden urchin]

What's the performance cost in practice for Contacts. (Not performance rank)

[torn tendon]

Also immobile isn’t doing anything anymore

It no longer have any effects anymore, even if I put it on 1.

[errant notch]

#announcements message

They changed a bit of ho it works

Maybe you switched the setting

[torn tendon]

@errant notch I didn’t touch anything

Even in vrc all my stuff is jiggly

I can’t seem to remake my old physics

It’s all weird movements that I can’t seem to fix, and there is this half second delay

Ya this update kinda broke all of my models

[jaunty sorrel]

Anyone aware of any avatar dynamics driven keyboard systems

I had an idea of using physbones to make a keyboard

basically index finger + bone = keypress

[short narwhal]

https://twitter.com/Yash884/status/1519560861462970369?s=20&t=5htJcGBbsEHVhJHGZOXWSw

Yash_88 (@Yash884)

Finally got my #AvatarDynamics #VRChat Keyboard Packaged and ready for Release. Updated it a bit and fixed quite a few bugs with syncing, It is now available on https://t.co/J9d9v2a7mt on the Avatar 3.0 Prefabs tab as "Yash's Avatar Dynamics VRC Keyboard" HAPPY TYPING!

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[jaunty sorrel]

Could use this to drive character emotes better than the ingame system

of course yash did it

yash is the best

❤️

[sudden urchin]

Hi, did the SDK break Phys Bone colliders by not letting you change their Height value anymore?

[austere surge]

^what they said

[sudden urchin]

https://vrchat.canny.io/sdk-bug-reports/p/1194-bug-sdk-capsule-colliders-missing-height-setting
Canny post is up

[jaunty vortex]

Using a slightly older sdk since new one doesnt have the collider height; anyone know whats causing this?

[turbid badger]

how fast is the Min Velocity for the contact enter

is 0.05 a tap or like a poke

[sudden urchin]

I have a tap work well with that

I have a setting of 3 that a pat seems to consistently hit too

[ornate olive]

does anyone know why this happened? everytime i switch between tails the physbone does this and sometimes all of them does the same thing. in the video only one tail that does this

[rich dust]

is there a way to make a toggle for how stiff dynamic bones are? like just use a radial puppet to make dynamic bones move differently

[turbid fulcrum]

If you're still trying to solve this, you can make a local variable that sets a synced one to whatever value you want upon activation if you want to do that

[turbid fulcrum]

Ooooo that's kinda nice! Are the bones rigged at all or just to put the contacts in them?

[minor rose]

That or replace the integer = 2 animation condition into a boolean = true with a unique name, that will save parameter memory.

[turbid fulcrum]

Oh yeah that too, but only if the result doesn't need to be synced. It wouldn't work if the change has to be persistent since late joiners wouldn't see it

For animations that only play once it would work

[remote ferry]

They removed that feature

It used to be a thing in the beta

[civic ridge]

hey so i made a buzzer and im trying to make it so when someone presses the button then it plays a buzzing sound, but it doesnt work. this is how i set it up, what am i missing? audio source i just put on the button itself but its off by default in the hiarchy

[jolly crane]

you have "parameter" set as "1", do you have a parameter called "1" in your FX controller? how do you have the toggle set up for it in the FX controller

the contact receiver is simply to drive a parameter, you specify the name of the parameter you want to modify in that slot

[civic ridge]

i have no idea what the name of the parameter is. the buzzer is on a world constraint i spawn when i point

[jolly crane]

you need to define a parameter

call it like "Buzzer" or something, and put it in the Parameter slot of your receiver

in your FX controller, add a Bool called "Buzzer", and then set up a toggle using it

[civic ridge]

oh i had no idea about this bool thing how do i do that?

[jolly crane]

do you know how to set up toggles normally?

[civic ridge]

yea

[jolly crane]

okay, it's literally the same thing

it's just the receiver driving the parameter, rather than you doing it manually through a menu

you don't need to specify it in your avatar's expression parameters file, it only needs to exist in the FX controller

[civic ridge]

https://i.imgur.com/sRg8r0h.png like this?

[jolly crane]

that's the first step. don't forget to set the layer weight to 1

[civic ridge]

ok done, anything to put in mask?

[jolly crane]

no

you don't need masks in the FX controller unless you're doing very specific things

[civic ridge]

I see, so now it should work?

[jolly crane]

did you add the parameter in your FX controller, and set up a toggle for your thing?

[civic ridge]

in the parameter i wrote the same name as what i wrote here

in the FX layer is my own custom hands layer where i just made that

[turbid fulcrum]

Btw, you don't need to add left and right hands

You can just use the "hand" one

[jolly crane]

eh

[turbid fulcrum]

It will work with both

[jolly crane]

they duplicated the default Gesture controller to make their FX controller, which is very common

[civic ridge]

all this is confusing me ima just upload it real quick and test lol

[jolly crane]

that is completely unrelated to the contact

[civic ridge]

ok so still doesnt work. i think its something i need to do with the audio

[jolly crane]

can you show how you made your toggle in the FX controller

[civic ridge]

is there like a special way to toggle the audio or something

Ok

[jolly crane]

to me it sounds like you literally skipped the entire logic part of it

[civic ridge]

idk i just tried to follow what he said the best i could

https://i.imgur.com/XnUL23V.png

thats how i normally do it

[jolly crane]

ok, never put the same controller in Gesture and FX

[dark drift]

Can't I animate VRC Contact Reciever? Allow Self Filtering to be precise

[jolly crane]

two completely different layers for completely different things

[civic ridge]

i only do that so when im playing an animation its not doing that specific finger pose

[turbid fulcrum]

If not you could have two of the same with different self/other options and toggle between them

[jolly crane]

you can have a different set up in each layer to do that, but you should not have the same controller in both slots

that is really bad practice

your FX layer should not contain humanoid bone animations

such as the animations for finger movement

[civic ridge]

I see, but does this have anything to do with the contact receiver issue?

[jolly crane]

it's going to be

also you have yet to show me your toggle at all

[dark drift]

And can I somehow just disable some of my default colliders then? My thing uses feet as source so it'd be easier to disable my feet colliders. Animation I mean

[jolly crane]

did you set up a toggle like this?

[civic ridge]

no

https://i.imgur.com/hKsAybd.png

[jolly crane]

okay so you lied earlier when you said you knew how to make toggles

one moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD2jlZC8FmA

this video covers 3 different types of toggles, the first one (simple object toggle) is the one you care about

you're basically going to be setting up a toggle for the gameobject with your audio source on it

[civic ridge]

i didnt lie i thought he meant just putting the animation on the finger poses

[jolly crane]

but rather than using a menu parameter for it, you will use the parameter used in your contact receiver

no, that's not related at all

you could call that "gesture based" toggles, but those should also never be mixed with the finger animations

for gesture based things, you set up things in your FX controller separately from the finger movement, and you just drive transitions based on the GestureRight or GestureLeft parameters

[civic ridge]

ok thank you i'll follow this video yo sent

so it cant work with gesture based toggles with the finger animations?

[dark drift]

ok, I just moved my colliders on empty object and created second object with other settings. Still less messy

[jolly crane]

not sure what you mean by that. essentially, your Gesture controller should contain nothing but transform animations

for example: hand poses, tail control, ear control, etc

FX should contain only non-transforms (like toggling objects, blendshapes, material swaps) or transforms that are not part of your armature. note that if you do that, you need to be careful about masking layers

[dark drift]

different animation controllers like gestures or fx created just for convenience, in fact you can place whatever wherever if its separate layer.

[civic ridge]

Ok I understand now my way of doing it was just unorthadox

[jolly crane]

the Playable layers get compiled into a single animation controller at runtime, they are each set up with different settings

each one has a purpose

there are some things that can be done in one layer or another, but there's a "way" to do things for a reason

[jolly crane]

yes, you basically carried over old 2.0 SDK techniques into 3.0, and it doesn't quite work the same anymore

[turbid fulcrum]

I don't think you can disable them in animations, what are you trying to do?

[civic ridge]

funny thing is i never used 2.0

[turbid fulcrum]

2.0
vietnam flashbacks

2.0 was such a stack of hacks one on top of another

[civic ridge]

ok assuming i set it up right how do i setup the audio source correctly so that when someone presses the button then it activates the audio source

[dark drift]

I solved it the other way. I have some toggle that reacts to players nearby so I want the ability to enable/disable it for myself

[jolly crane]

have the object for your audio source disabled by default, and make animations to disable/enable said object

[turbid fulcrum]

Oh nice

[jolly crane]

put both of those animations in your new layer in FX, and transition between them based on the parameter you madef

[turbid fulcrum]

Make sure to have "play on wake" toggled on

[civic ridge]

ok and then will i still have the ability to play it when i strike a certain finger pose or its in the expressions menu

[jolly crane]

I thought you were just trying to play an audio clip when a contact receiver is touched

[civic ridge]

right

[jolly crane]

you can make it trigger via doing those other things, it's just a little more setup in the FX controller

you can make it work however the hell you want

it's just about getting the animator logic right

[civic ridge]

yea the concept in the video you sent is new to me so im a bit slow in that matter

[gilded elbow]

hello, my avatar hair move naturally with physbone in unity- but when in vrchat it's completely different and super jiggly

why?

[jolly crane]

are you sure you set it up with physbones and not dynamic bones?

the dynamic bone to physbone conversion can be pretty weird

[gilded elbow]

im 200% sure

further more, i didn't changed anything on my avatar, it worked perfectly

today i started to play in prison escape, and i noticed how my hair were super jiggly

it wasn't like this yesterday.

even though i haven't made any change on my avatar ..

or vrchat settings

my avatar is fully made of physbone, there's no dyanmic bones..

and from the value in the settings, everythings should be fairly immobile , when i move in unity, my hair are immobile a lot, while in vrchat it's chaos

i don't understand what's happening

[civic ridge]

ok i decided im sticking to the toggle system where i put animations on the finger poses because i wasn't able to learn the right way, sorry sacred i tried. the contact receive is registering its just the audio source thats not activating

[gilded elbow]

that's my vrchat settings, it's all jiggly, but.. it's the same when i click on convert all to physbone, it's all jiggly too

so no matter my settings in vrchat it's the same

my avatar is fully made of physbone, not a single dynamic

those are my settings in unity.. Please help >o<

[simple elk]

Angle is really small and immobile high

[jolly crane]

@gilded elbow you really should get rid of that large collider

you can use a a plane collider if you want stuff to collide with the floor

[simple elk]

That pic of settings means you have physbones off

[jolly crane]

no?

[simple elk]

there is no limit

[jolly crane]

no limit means you can have as many bones as you want. they also have the auto conversion disabled, which means that dynamic bones will not get converted, but Physbones on avatars will still work

[simple elk]

right now you will see everyone that has dynamic bones

[jolly crane]

no reason for the converter to also turn off Physbones lol

they can coexist

[gilded elbow]

so.. what should i do..?

i'll disable my big giant collider

but im not sure it would stop my hairs from being suepr jiggly

[simple elk]

🤢 dynamic bones , rather have em badly converted then have it on that one cpu core

[ornate olive]

no one?

[tacit stirrup]

any simple more straight to the point explanation about the immobile thing change?

[turbid fulcrum]

I think you can choose if moving with the joystick affects it or not

[dark drift]

isnt it other way around? If you dont use immobile as a parameter for your physbones at all, then you can use it for joystick movement only

[ornate olive]

do you know what, i'll just figure it out myself

[simple elk]

how are these the same , the long is the new sdk - wich has zero setting for lenght on capsule, small is the old sdk setting , if i copy the old capsule values to the new it will be small 🔨

[jolly crane]

check the Height value using the debug inspector

there is a bug where the height field is not visible with the normal inspector

[simple elk]

yeh i see it

used the height setting on multiple avs , this sdk made that one go poof - debug its back

[sinful pumice]

How do I add a prop that other people can grab? I want to add some guitar tabs as toggle able props, but i want to be able to move them, and let other people move them as well

[jolly crane]

that's a pretty challenging thing to do. when you grab a bone, it's just basically creating an IK chain that aims to the point you grabbed it from. you can't control the rotation of it

so people wouldn't be able to really grab them and manipulate them properly

you can *sort of * do it better by having a second physbone that you can grab to rotate the object around, but it's a bit jank

[sinful pumice]

I remember there was a pcvr avatar with interactive chips, how was that done?

[frank minnow]

physbone capsule colliders have lost their "height" parameter. is this intended behaviour?

[frank minnow]

ah, i'm not the first to notice this.

[frank minnow]

how is this inspector accessed?

[frank minnow]

got it- ah, you're quicker than i

Good to know for sure. thanks!

[unkempt gyro]

Dunno if I should ask here instead of #avatar-help but just in case... when using Custom on the Colliders section of the avatar descriptor, my right foot goes way off in the distance, though oddly, it's perfectly fine in automatic. Any ideas why this is?

It isn't just the foot either, it seems to happen with the hands too

[pearl ingot]

Do VRC Contact receivers work in worlds blueprints?

can i use them to detect player hands entering a volume in my world etc

[simple elk]

worlds dont do dynamics yet

[mellow hawk]

The custom colliders are mirrored off the avatar, it does not update when you move the avatar itself. If you change the value for any colder not mirrored and change back, should fix it.

[unkempt gyro]

Huh. Weird. Thanks for the fix.

[torn tendon]

vrc broke the phybone. there nothing you can really do

also update your sdk

[torn tendon]

Is there any way to make immobile useable again?

[gilded elbow]

what do you mean? it's like this for everyone? the problem came from vrchat, not me?

[torn tendon]

Ya the vrchat update did it

[gilded elbow]

when did they updated it..?

[torn tendon]

Yesterday

The update basically broke all avatars

[gilded elbow]

Ohh.. i see..

[torn tendon]

I can’t seem to remake my old settings since the update

[gilded elbow]

Thank you ! i'll just wait till they fix it then

[torn tendon]

Ya this was intentional. idk why they thought this would make things better, but it didn’t.

They probably won’t even fix it

[gilded elbow]

im not sure in what way it could be better though..

[torn tendon]

Ya it just made things more aids

[gilded elbow]

the only difference it made for me, is even though everything was fine in unity, it wasn't the same in vrchat anymore

[torn tendon]

Because you didn’t update

I know, that’s why I can’t remake anything, nothing works how it supposed to

Immobile isn’t really usable anymore

[fierce forge]

Does anyone know how to properly configure grabbable "props" using physbones

i have it like half working rn

[torn tendon]

You need to update your sdk

Then it will show the new dum stuff

[gilded elbow]

I see~ thank you :3 i'll update i hope i can still make my physbone working afterward x3

[torn tendon]

You can try. Immobile doesn’t really work that well anymore

It also adds an delay for some reason

[gilded elbow]

i was mainly using immobile.. but i gues.. we can do the same without it.. maybe

[torn tendon]

Ehh it doesn’t really work like it did before

It makes the physics look a bit dum

[sudden urchin]

How about examples of your setup and what is wrong with it not working consistently
Especially since there’s 2 immobiles now

[torn tendon]

I can’t really do an example of the new immobile

It basically dose no effect

But the first immobile setting has a delay before it dose anything. Like it won’t jiggle or do anything after like an half a second.

Also it doesn’t behave like it dose before

[blissful garnet]

Just came here to ask about this

[fierce forge]

is there anywhere to download the avatars from the dynamics hub world? im interested in looking into how the Valentine's one works

[torn tendon]

Hi there, was wondering if it’s possible to have a toggle that works as an on/off button for avatar receivers. Example: receivers are default on, but when you have the toggle set on, receivers don’t react to interaction.

[simple elk]

yep just toggle the gameobject/component

[steel thistle]

That was what I answered them in #avatar-help

[silent palm]

Can you animate values of a Physbone component?

I.e. adjusting gravity value with an animation

I want to make a kite that falls a little then gets lifted back up

[next portal]

I played around with that a little, and it appears to me that the physbone components only take into account the values at runtime, and changing them with an animation appears to do nothing.

I made an animation that oscillates the gravity value of a physbone component between 1 and -1, and it had zero effect on the movement of the bone.

[turbid badger]

this new update broke all avatars that previously used Immobile to some degree

because now its a different calculation

i thought this stuff was already out of beta

why are they making breaking changes that require re-re-re-updating avatars...?

[lone geyser]

and how many of us give feedback on beta stuff?

compare that to the now vast populous of players using it, gives a ton more feedback that they're acting on actively

also found this ref sheet, use it as a basis

[turbid badger]

funnily enough theres new bugs that didnt exist in beta i think

one of them being sometimes people have to pause and then unpause their interactions in order to be able to interact with certain people

even if their settings allow for it

and its something they have to do, not you

and happens only when you join the instance, and for no one other than late joiners

[lone geyser]

theres new bugs now cause not enough ppl tested beta to find these out then

[turbid badger]

but this didnt happen in full lobbies during the beta

and i played on the open beta for about 2 weeks

[lone geyser]

and now with a thousand times more testers, new scenarioes come up that they can fix

and improve

im personally glad about this minor fix for world-movement immobile, simplifies it more

[turbid badger]

me too but could they not break a lot of other things in the process?

is there no configuration that could have been preserved (default for older components)?

also my tail keeps jittering as it moves for whatever reason

[lone geyser]

could be colliders that need to be tweaked

and hey, they're doing the best they can with the most popular vr socializing game, for free, for all vr platforms, with 10k-20k players daily and a small team of devs

[turbid badger]

that literally does not magically deflect valid criticism

[lone geyser]

how should they not break a lot of things while fixing other things, then?

just saying "stop breaking stuff" doesnt magically fix it

[errant notch]

VRChat is a relatively tiny team of people. They're not going to find and fix every bug before releases

[lone geyser]

there will always be bugs, and we should be grateful for the massive improvements we've gotten thus far since 2017

[scenic steppe]

Im having an issue where my model ears do inside of the head during an emote. The emote only changes transform.
Phys Bone are on
Is animated is toggle on
No gravity or limits settings
No colliders
Works fine with dynamic bones or no bone movement add on

Any ideas how to fix this with phys bones on?

[turbid badger]

easy. by keeping the original configuration still available and applying it by default to the older components like I already stated

[dusty saddle]

Is there any obvious reason why 1 set of bones don't want to stretch while others do? 😮 even though the "Max Stretch" is set?

[turbid badger]

the way that stretching works is that it only moves bones, so if you painted weights on the root bone instead of the end bone, it will not stretch

[dusty saddle]

Actually I fixed it, hah. So this is one set of phys bones only for dynamics proximity receiver. I forgot to add the empty game object to ignore list of the phys bone on the parent

But thank you for your answer! 🙂

The parent seems to win in some settings

[faint atlas]

im playing around with avatar dynamics, and i want an animation to play for both users when 2 of the same avatar come into contact, with a custom sender and receiver.
i was under the impression that simply making a sender and receiver on both, while disallowing self, would make it work, but this seems to fail and acts like the sender is self interacting regardless when in play mode

any way to fix this or is it a bug?

[onyx vapor]

Yes but you will need to turn the phys bone off then on (after some delay)to get it to take on the new values

[silent palm]

Ahh I see

So you can’t actually animate the values

But just toggle the component

[brisk latch]

Does anyone know how blendshape animations would work with the new avatar dynamics? For example if I have sleeves i want to be able to pull them up and down

[oblique tartan]

anyone know if the new bones are broken at the moment cant move anything

[short narwhal]

basically you can control anything with the Avatar Dynamic stuff if it's an animation clip

[fluid summit]

We need dynamics on all avatars it’s will be so cool

[pulsar parcel]

i want to have just a single head root to move every chain of hair, but in doc it says that using humanoid bone can cause issues, how can i make it work?

[dark drift]

Just create extra bone parented to head and parent hair to it.

[pulsar parcel]

ye i see

thx

[onyx vapor]

you can animate the values, and they will change, but the changes wont "take effect" until the bone is turned off then back on again. This is in the documentation as a way to change phys bone properties through animation, but it notes that this (then turning the bone off/on trick) is not fully supported and may break in the future

[silent palm]

Ah I see

[bitter pilot]

how do i fix the slow-motion physics, and the chest just sinking in

[hearty wing]

How do I manually move physbones in Unity with my mouse? I feel like it’s something basic I just whooshed over my head along the way.

[sudden urchin]

Play Mode
Game Window
Make sure the Camera you're looking at is the Main Camera (tagged as Main too)

Click and drag.

[hardy estuary]

Is there any way to turn off /turn on the phys bones. Example i have a toggle for a partial face mask and when the mask is on i don't want the hair behind it to move and clip through so i normally turned the Dynamic bones off. It says in the doc that you can't animate the properties so how can i achieve this ?

[jolly crane]

they said properties, not the physbone itself

you can either disable the phybone component or the object it's on

you could also try just setting angle limits for the hair

[hardy estuary]

well.... they also says that turning off the bones Might work but if problem occur later they will not fix it so i was looking for the official way to do it

angle limits wont work as it would look too stiff when the mask is off

documentation : However, if you animate a property of a PhysBone component and then animate the component off and then on, you may get the behavior you want. Be aware that this is not a support method of animating these properties, and will not be supported in future changes. (In other words, it might break. If it does, we're not going to try to fix it.)

[jolly crane]

you misunderstand

animating physbone properties won't do anything unless you turn the component off and on again

that's what that bit is saying

but turning off a physbone is fine

[hardy estuary]

OH

well then ok , thank you for the clarification

[lilac ruin]

anyone know why a contact receiver would work fine in editor but once in game it will just behave completely differently. mostly just flashing the animation for a single frame before returning to its original position...

ive got other ones working perfectly fine... but this one is just not working

[dapper coral]

I updated models and now I need to update them again because the new immobile type changed the immobile calculation? looks odd now

[dark drift]

i had some troubles with capsule recievers and proximity, replaced them with spheres

[lilac ruin]

I tried both on this layer and man it just refuses to do what its doing in the editor. so frustrating

and im just using On Enter for simplicities sake

[dark drift]

well try constant then if it fits you, empty state (if is collide)> animation <(exit time 1)

[lilac ruin]

https://gyazo.com/17882efa35686a5de766d6057363b19d just will not stick lol

constant wont work for this

[dark drift]

why not, with this setup it just catches moment of contact and playnaimtion regardless. you just wont be able to use speed or whatever is added to onenter

[lilac ruin]

doesnt constant need the collider inside the sphere the entire time to be in the next animation?

[dark drift]

of course not, think of it as play dance button in round menu, its active for 0.3 sec but animation plays till the end

[lilac ruin]

im just using a simple setup with any state

[dark drift]

once again, any state - transition to animation if contact - animation - transition to exit (if youre using anystate, i'm just more used to use empty state as default) with exit time 1. try this

maybe its because of anystate tho, cause you may be restarting animation or switching it to another one right after starting it, i don't know where your colliders are

[lilac ruin]

ive got 4 other contact receiver setups almost exactly like this using any state working as intended... its just these damn glasses... I am using the same parameter on two different receivers, one on the hip, one on the eyes. one is only active at a time tho based on the state

thats the only difference here is the 2

changing them to constant is actually making it react in editor like it is in game.

[dark drift]

i guess this is what happening, you touch your face, val goes true with on enter, then it instantly goes false (zero? dont remember what it operate with) and your anystate instantly swithes to default animation

[lilac ruin]

thats what seems to be happening I just dont know why

[dark drift]

i mean that how it suppose to work

replace anystate with empty state and make exit time 1 transitions back to it from animations (if you need to play them just once)

or instead of empty state use glassses off

just dont link anything to anystate

[lilac ruin]

ill try it

welp. without anystate it just refused to transition at all then crashed my unity. im done for the night ive been banging my head against this for hours lol

[dark drift]

Well im sorry

[lilac ruin]

lol its fine, its just one of those things. like its working just fine on other layers but these glasses, I just wanna be able to grab them off my waist and put them on my damn face!

[dark drift]

Should then set chain of animations aren't you?

Like glass on waist - if touch waist - glass in hands- if touch face - glass on face and backwarda

[lilac ruin]

yea thats what I tried before it crashed my unity lol

[lilac ruin]

thats what I had

im gonna remove the 2 triggers using the same parameter and simplify the transitions just to see whats going on here

yea nothing... no transition

aand crash again...

[normal urchin]

what are some good values for a cloth cape?

[dark drift]

If you using collision as the source then you dont need exit time, glasses stay in hand unless they brought close to eyes. Also are you using same var for both waist and eyes collider?

[lilac ruin]

I took out the waist trigger completely just incase it was causing some weird conflict

[normal urchin]

and one more thing. I want the cape to rest on the ground, but not when I'm in the air. Is there any way I can do that?

[dark drift]

Theres grounded avatar parameter, you can use it to disable floor collider

[normal urchin]

awesome, thanks

[dark drift]

Probably

[molten blade]

is there any reason that a a receiver on proximity mode would not change the parameter values, yet changing it to static mode allows it to display 1.0 or 0.0 (because I have it on a float as that is the value I need it to be)? In the unity editor it seems to work fine, but not while in game.

[dark drift]

Capsule had this behavior for me

Sphere works fine

[molten blade]

it is a capsule, going to test that now

is there a cany for that I can vote on?

[dark drift]

Dunno, probably, common problem

[molten blade]

yup, working

[oak frost]

i cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to make my avatar's hair not do this

its like the hair hits the collider and then juts outwards. no amount of gravity fixes it

this didnt happen with dynamic bones - if a bone hit the collider it would kinda just slide off

[dark drift]

Try smaller angles

[little owl]

get the latest SDK and set your colliders to treat physbones as spheres, that setting is brand new specifically to solve that problem

it allows hair to wrap around shoulders better, and is how dynamic bones worked

[warm mortar]

Can you create extra global physbone colliders so I can interact with other players physbones? Say like a stick or something?

[oak frost]

oh my lord

thank you so much

[buoyant oyster]

I heard some avatar have arm vibration issue with PhysBones. Sample movie: https://twitter.com/_kitsune_tsuki_/status/1521473941298368512
I investigated and found the conditions. That happens if

1. It has additional bone chain(s) on LowerArm.
2. and Hand bone is not the first child of LowerArm. (This causes warning message on Builder view of VRChat SDK)
3. and VRCPhysBone moves additional bone chain from its root. (in other words, VRCPhysBone RootTransform is first child of LowerArm)

I guess some part of IK solver treats the additional bone as the Hand, and calculates LowerArm rotation with the result of VRCPhysBone movements, then the arm vibrates.
I haven't post to Canny yet because it might be a "specification" (or RIG requirements), not a "bug". But actually some creators get troubled with this issue and it's hard to find the source of the problem from its behavior. so I think we need some improvements. But what is suitable request in this case? Any suggestions?

キツネツキ (@_kitsune_tsuki_)

ちなみにこんな現象でした。
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[simple elk]

2 can be fixed in unity , sort bone script , it leads to wierdness if you ignore bone order

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/silenttools

[oblique tartan]

is it just me or everyone else but i cant touch or move anything on my avi now but eveyone else can to me it was working fine before

[delicate forge]

when wanting to set up a capsule collider i can no longer define the height, please fix

[lean quarry]

For some reason, my contact receiver is not getting any information of it being touched.. Can someone please help?

[simple elk]

sdk broke it, enable debug to get it back

[delicate forge]

oof

thx

[lean quarry]

Anyone know if I'm doing anything wrong?

[simple elk]

wich kind are you using, capsules arent trustworthy

[lean quarry]

ah ok then

let me try with spheres

nope! still nothing

no reaction at all

[lean quarry]

please help

[steel thistle]

Check if tag is correct, parameter is correct

[lean quarry]

the tag and parameter are both names Pat

[steel thistle]

Are there any sender with tag Pat?

[lean quarry]

It's the first receiver that I've put on the model

[steel thistle]

Receiver expects a sender to have the same tag to get the contact. If you use custom tag then you need to add sender with matching tag. Other people's avatars also need the same tag to interact with your receiver.
Otherwise, just use tags provided such as Hand tag to get contact info with the hands instead.

[lean quarry]

oh! that type of tag! They both have the tag hand

[steel thistle]

Then check if the parameter is changed after the contact.

[lean quarry]

it does not

Oh! Now it does! It did not show up when I did it with the 3.0 avatar emulator

[steel thistle]

I see

But avatar emulator should also react the same way

[frigid trench]

Reposting because wrong channel before oops
Hey people! 👋
So after asking left and right a bunch of people and myself noticed that the last update changed the behavior of PhysBones.
Using the new SDK or not; it seems that now the value of the "Spring" slider affect differently the physics.
In other words now stuff tend to wiggle forever, which wasn't the case 2days ago.
Even after reading the patchnote ||unless I didn't understand correctly something in it||, it seems this isn't mentioned anywhere.
So I was curious if this is intended or not? Or if there was any words about it that I missed?

[wooden patio]

I've noticed a change in the behaviour as well,
When the patch for the phys bones came out I updated my avatar and now a lot of the bones act differently from before..
Which is honestly quite annoying...

[rare lake]

it's happening to me too and yea its a bit frustrating, I took the time to perfect my values when physics bones first came out and now they dont act as they once did. I have to go back into unity and alter each avatar one by one to get the original look and its quite time consuming. I'm hoping for an official answer to this topic because i'd hate to fix everything and then the next update is... "haha yea oops we messed up, we're reverting the bones to what it should have been"

[ionic hound]

yes they changed it, which is annoying to do that 2 weeks after release.
tho after fixing a bunch of avatars i figured out that the only values affected are "pull", "spring" and in advanced "momentum".

it almost fixed itself to put these values more into the center, for example:
if the bone doesn't pull at all i changed the "pull" value from 0.05 to 0.1 or 0.2.
if the bone doesn't stop to flipping around i put "momentum" from 0.9 to 0.7.

[frigid trench]

This is also the way I've been "fixing" it so far yes; making the sliders less extreme on whichever side of the bar they are and it kinda goes back to how it was before.
Only annoying thing is that it makes us re-upload avatars and I don't want to be dramatic but since this wasn't in the patchnote if this happens every update that's gonna be not fun to deal with 😬

[wooden patio]

In my case what I noticed by working on some phys bones I did didnt cover the length I set before anymore, changing the endpoint position has fixed some issues for me

This fixed the ears that were messed of for example

[crisp valve]

how do i add physbones on my VRoid avatar?

[short narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[crisp valve]

i tried it before but i couldnt find teh hair root on my vroid avatar

i cant find the parent bone of my vroid avatar hair

[mellow hawk]

Make a new game object, parent all the things you want to move, add a phys bone component to that game object.

[crisp valve]

ty ill try

@mellow hawk how do i go about doing thsat tho

[mellow hawk]

Open the hierarchy, navigate to the part where you want to add phys bones, right click the parent game object, new empty game object, name it, drag and drop all the game objects you want to move into that component, add a vrc phys bone component to the new game object, play around with it till it looks nice, done.
Bonus points, making another game object lower in the hierarchy and use the root bone part of phys bones, map that to the new parent object you made earlier to stay more organized.

[crisp valve]

ty

[dark drift]

what is typical velocity for onenter for punch/stab

2 works

maybe for smaller avatars it wont tho?

[crisp valve]

@mellow hawk i tried it but when i added physbones on the new game object the hair wouldnt move

[mellow hawk]

Do your child objects have grandchildren objects in them?

Example: tail 1, tail 2, tail 3 etc?

[crisp valve]

im doin hair

[mellow hawk]

fair enough, but do the parts of the hair have child objects inside them or is it just one object?

[crisp valve]

what happens if they do

[mellow hawk]

Could you send a screenshot of your hierarchy?

[crisp valve]

one moment

@mellow hawk can isend it to u some other time i have to do something now

thansk for the help tho

[mellow hawk]

For sure, always open to pings and dms

[crisp valve]

thanks

[hasty flower]

So I'm working on the hair for my VRoid model and so far I've pretty happy with the results but the only nitpick I have currently is that the lighter-color hair clips into the bangs when there is forward momentum. Is there an easy way to prevent this from happening? My initial thoughts are to try and use limiters so that it can't move backwards but I figured I'd ask here if there is a better way.

How the model normally looks for reference:

[hasty flower]

Yeah limiters seem to be working. I need a separate script for each bang (mainly because the VRM converter is jank) but it's working. I'm open to any better ideas or suggestions if anyone has em 🙂

[elder prairie]

is it possible to have a player picked up with the new bones? you can pose bones but can you do it with the "root" of the player?

[novel iris]

Does anyone have some good values for phys bones for tails?

[simple elk]

using av3 emulator?

[mellow hawk]

This would work in game.

[simple elk]

try av3 , its not gonna talk to your controller on descriptor

[carmine bear]

how does one make a grabbable prop, like a sword?

[lusty grove]

I have this tiny bit of an issue with phys bones, I installed the latest sdk, and when using physbones colliders shape type: Capsule, it doesn't show the height of the capsule, unlike in sipboxx video, anyone with the same issue ?, pic for reference:

in sipboxx video:

[simple elk]

sdk broke it, enable debug to get it back

[lusty grove]

🧎‍♂️

Thanks 😉

[simple elk]

last time i tested it , av3 emulator does not work with 'colliders' thats on descriptor have to fake em

if you are using a capsule one, try sphere

capsule arent reliable, sphere should behave

[noble kelp]

Anyone know how i could make something disappear after being grabbed and pulled

[torn tendon]

This was happening to me too a bit earlier, then I did something, now it's working again! I don't really know what I changed, but I'll let you know if I recall!

Alright, found it!

[lilac ruin]

Just as a follow up from yesterday I deleted the receivers, parameters and transitions. Remade it all but gave the hip and eye receivers different parameters and now its working 🤷‍♂️ it must have just got bugged out at somepoint...

[torn tendon]

What I did is, I added the AnimatorController before going into PlayMode, adding the AC after going into PM doesn't seem to get the job done, although, the value changes!!!

Didn't test it in-game yet!

[torn tendon]

gl

[lilac badger]

Uhh quick question, if my hair bones have collision On will they interact with the Descriptor's head collider? or do I need to add one manually?

[fervent nimbus]

yo wtf

where did the capsule height go

it's gone

it's just radius now

is this a bug?

pls help ;w;

[mellow hawk]

It's a bug with the new sdk, enable debug for now

[fervent nimbus]

thank god

ok where's the debug enabler

[mellow hawk]

Inspector > top right > three dots > debug

[torn tendon]

no need to define the params under Receiver on the Expression Parameters synced parameters list right?

[grizzled barn]

Copying over the Phys Bones settings for my avatar and for some reason, a value of "1" for colliders always creates this insanely huge collider and I have to set it to 0.0014 ish in order for it to be a useable size. This only happens for avatars I export from Blender as FBX. If I grab the same avatar as FBX directly from Gumroad and place the same collision value (1), it's normal size. Why are my Blender FBX exports not working with the native collision values in Phys Bones? Anyone seen this or have any ideas?

[torn tendon]

Try Apply Scaling FBX All or FBX Units Scale

[ancient carbon]

Question I didn't touch my physbones on my avatar but the grab broke, has anyone had this or know a fix? Should I try to reimport the sdk?

Even testing grab in unity doesn't work

[torn tendon]

did you try augmenting your Collision Radius?

[grizzled barn]

Thank you SO much 😄

[torn tendon]

Any idea why this works in Unity but not in VRChat?

[limpid ravine]

Tried again with setting up the phsybone gesture toggle for my tongue and it still doesn't seem to work as intended It seems to work as a toggle but the phsybones seem all wonky where they don't move fluidly like all the other bones are

[errant notch]

You don't need to add parameters from PhysBones into your avatar synced parameter list

[silent palm]

Newest SDK fucked my dynamics and I have no clue how to fix em -.-

[torn tendon]

Unless I choose to set it to Local Only... But even if I don't do that, and remove it from the synced parameters list, it does literally nothing

[errant notch]

Why set it to local though

[torn tendon]

I'm not trying to start an argument, just looking for a solution.

[errant notch]

The solution in your situation should be to not have Local Only on

What collision tag does the capsule have?

[torn tendon]

as I said I did try it without Local Only to fit your fancy, also I use Hand and Finger as Tags

[errant notch]

What does the capsule sender have though

Hands and Fingers as well?

[errant notch]

The param there is EyeIsTouchedL1 but in your animator it's EyeIsTouchedL?

[torn tendon]

it seems to be working when using a bool param, with Receiver Type set to Constant

[torn tendon]

EyeIsTouchedL is the Float ver, and EyeIsTouchedL1 is a bool

[errant notch]

So it works with bool but not proximity?

[torn tendon]

yes

[errant notch]

Were they both set up this same way (I see local only is unchecked here)

[torn tendon]

No. I just uploaded another version with my preferred setup (Local Only, Param is listed in the avatar synced parameter list)

and it works just fine

Anyway, thanks for your help...

[errant notch]

So then maybe something is wrong with local only synced

Which, again, I can't see a reason you need local only on

[torn tendon]

Because I want to, and it should work just fine anyway, here, found it, it's just a sdk bug... https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-proximity-contact-does-not-work-with-capsules

Now that I changed my Contact Receiver to Sphere, it works just fine...

[vestal otter]

the other chest dont work for some reason

i have the script in it

but it just doesnt show up

i also attached the root transform

all the other bones are working fine and was able to rig them up

but for some reason this one doesnt seem to work

anyone know the reason?

n vm

found the reason

[silent palm]

Update: Got it fixed and even more optimized! VRChat breaking things teaches me to learn new things if that's any upside. :-)

[cedar marsh]

how do i do this

i don't get a vale

[dawn sonnet]

Pretty sure it's telling you it'll have a value of 1 when being interacted with?

Binary system.

[cedar marsh]

ok

How would I go about making animations or facial expressions when bones are pulled or interacted with

Because I can't figure out how to go about doing

Also I've been struggling trying to figure out how to make the receivers.. incenters and I don't know how I would go about making the toggles I try to look at tons of tutorials but they weren't very helpful

All I know is it some sort of float but I do not know how to make it so it gets interacted or makes certain things happen when interacted with

[turbid badger]

fingers crossed that tomorrow or the next day they will fix the bug that randomly makes it so you cant interact with people until you both toggle your interactions off and on again

[turbid badger]

incredibly easy

whateverPhysboneObject_Stretch

and check something like > 0.5

or if u want to make a more complex animation, like you pull it and it gets gradually expressive

u use the parameter in Motion Time, or a blend tree

[turbid badger]

that is also pretty easy

if u use a bool just check (false) or (true) in your animator

if using floats, u can use the value to determine how deep they are in the contact, for stuff like big button presses and nose boops

u do all the toggles and animations just as u would for any other parameter

vote on these if you havent already btw

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/can-only-grab-one-part-of-the-same-physbone-hierarchy-at-a-time
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/11922-bug-physbones-interactivity-seemingly-disabled-until-allowpause-interactio
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-add-option-to-ignore-collisions-with-root-for-better-db-conversion
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1184-physbones-freeze-in-whatever-position-they-were-in-when-disabled
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/request-possibility-to-move-players-around
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-add-support-for-multiple-root-transforms

[thorny isle]

wall of links

[fringe iron]

question! What does it consider physbone components? I removed the 'too many bones' warning, but im not sure what its seeing as a component

I didnt add any interactions, just a dynamic bone conversion

[turbid badger]

oooo i had a great idea

i could make it so that a text pops up saying you cant interact with my avatar by using a big contact

and if i use a non synced parameter it will be local to the player touching it

so people stop bugging me about the pesky bug

[thorny isle]

i shall not be blinded by your contact when in the debug overlay

[turbid badger]

it will be so big that you will be inside of it so

[thorny isle]

you still see it from the inside

[tardy light]

my hole model i shaking does anyone know what causes this?

[turbid badger]

doesnt work for me it just goes away

[thorny isle]

the contact or can’t see inside?

cause at least the head ones you can see from the inside, first person view

[tardy light]

i check again

nope i dont!

[cedar marsh]

If you could so kindly show me a video or a gift like seeing how things work so I can put it together cuz I'm still need to most of this stuff especially with a blend trees j

[tardy light]

its only doing that ingame not in unity tho

[turbid badger]

did you update your sdk?

they changed how physbones work again last update

[tardy light]

i think so never had a problem like this ever

the model is like flickering

ok fixed it dont know tho haha

[turbid badger]

oh my god

i am dying of laughter

so.... vrchat like

they limited the radius value for contacts, right?

did you know they only limited the positive value???

🤣

https://i.gyazo.com/08717e055c52192872e82d4f513dc0c1.mp4

this is seriously hilarious i didnt expect that to work

please never patch ty

[thorny isle]

a lot of physbone stuff go wacky if it’s negative

inside collided freak out if too close to the center of the physbone, unless the physbone radius is negative

then it’s calm and doesn’t freak out , but slightly inverted and not grabbable

[turbid badger]

aw it doesnt work too good on negativ

[noble tide]

known this since the beta
if you mess with negative values in a certain way you can turn a capsule into a coin, flat sides included 😉

[turbid badger]

can u make it still work with senders with negatives?

[noble tide]

id assume so but not entirely sure

worth a shot though since we dont have any box or plane shapes

[turbid badger]

i tried a lot of different things but i couldnt get it to respond in unity

trying to make it so i can tell people when interaction is off

[wooden ginkgo]

if I dont set endpoint length in physbones does the last bone get ignored like with dynbones?

[stuck badge]

So i have been messing around with the Avatar Dynamics for my Couch avatar, and managed to do something pretty cool imo. People are able to open the doors, and turn on the different switches to enable most of my functions. And if they pull the gray thing on the bottom it resets everything.

I am wondering though, i would like to have some sort of a Hue silder that people can mess around with.

Currently i have it set so the handle has a Sender and then i added a bunch of receivers on the different colors.

But i have no idea if it's possible to do something with blendshapes or whatever.

[turbid badger]

no because of this absolutely annoying bug with dynamics

plus gotta get the based quest users to figure it out some day

[elder prairie]

dont know if i should ask this here or the osc, but can osc detect if bones are interacted with, specific pulled. so like can i get like the angle and distance from on bone to another?

[lofty walrus]

am i going insane, or is the height option for the physbone capsule collider no longer available in the new sdk?

...maybe i need my coffee

[jolly crane]

it's a bug

switch to the Debug inspector to see it

[lofty walrus]

omfg

lol

ty

[obsidian granite]

is there any world with many dynamic avatars?

[noble kelp]

anyone know how to make something toggle off after being pulled

[deft dove]

You could probably utilize the _isGrabbed or _Stretch parameters of the PhysBone component to trigger an animation in your FX layer that turns what you want off.

[torn tendon]

Does anyone know how to make a physbone for hanging sleeves? I’m kinda new to this

[deft dove]

Have a child bone of the upper arm for the sleeve with an endpoint bone at the same position as the wrist (or where ever the sleeve ends). Have a PhysBone component on the sleeve bone and use angle limits to make sure the sleeve doesn't clip through the arm.

Bam, dangling sleeves.

[torn tendon]

thanks! would you mind teaching me how the measurements work? the video tutorials confuse me

[deft dove]

As in the angle limits? You could probably use Trigonometry for that, but I would recommend just trying out small values and seeing what works.

[torn tendon]

ahhh okay thank you!!

[jovial copper]

Avatar dynamics doing weird shit with an arm ... video shows 1. Physbones autoconvert vs. 2. Dynamic bones original. The World is a little dark but you can see my controller, its not the tracking, its the avatar

[gray vector]

is there a on release function that can play an animation?

[deft dove]

You can transition to an empty state when _isGrabbed is true, then transition to a state with the animation you want when _isGrabbed becomes false again.

[gray vector]

is there any videos on this?

[deft dove]

No idea.

[gray vector]

also how do i put a physbone on one bone that doesnt have any children

cause I cant put it on the chest

that will bug it out

[errant notch]

Create a child bone

[gray vector]

on the bone i want to move?

so i give it a child with no weightpaint right

[errant notch]

Chest
-ChildBone
--BonesYouWantMoved

Yes

[gray vector]

huh

[deft dove]

You could also manually define the endpoint in the PhysBone component.

[cedar marsh]

how would i go about at pls like me know

i been you find out for last 2 hours

been srawing around with it

[turbid badger]

you just type in a parameter name and it will write to Parameter_Stretch as a float

and you use this in the animator

[jovial copper]

After way to long time I finally found out that its a weird and maybe very rare bug (and a way to fix it)

I dont have any scripts of the humanoid armature (checked that multiple times)

The faulty script was this one:

as soon as i disabled it - everything worked well. I tried to change everything. delete and made a new script, disabled collision grab/posing no radius but as soon as there was a script on that bone it made whoopwhoop ingame

i moved the script to the next bone. Chain1_3 ... this fixed it.

Thats defintly a bug and seems to have something to do with the position of that specific bone. idk. i fixed it. hopefully its rare enough so that nobunny else runs into that

[turbid ice]

got a question about the 3 extra parameters that are made with physbones (_isgrabbed, _stretch etc). the documentation mentions that they dont need to be defined as synced parameters in the vrcexpressionparameter object, but where would i put them so that i can use them? directly into the parameter tab on the FX layer or whatever layer i'd need them on? asking since im used to the av3 parameter setup before physbones and im confused where i can put these parameters to use them.

[finite crystal]

What settings do you normally use for hair

[west axle]

omg this is what i was having troubles with for so long, thanks for linking this

so frustrating when you think you're doing something wrong but its literally a bug instead

[sudden urchin]

You can define them on any layer you're using them on, whether FX or Gesture or Action etc.

Always remember, when you upload the avatar the SDK will merge all your layers into one super animator.

[turbid ice]

thanks for the headsup! 😄

[torn tendon]

ikr!

[west axle]

very much appreciate your find

[prime hemlock]

Yeah I've had something like this happen. It sucks

[molten mauve]

help: I don't see height option for physics bone colliders when in capsule mode

sdk is in the most recent version

[vital shore]

Best way to disable physbones temporarily for an animation, and reset them to their starting pose? I am losing my mind, because I did this before but lost the data.

[storm stirrup]

How do I use regular dynamic bones instead of converting them to ohysbones

[dawn sonnet]

Uh. Why?

PhysBones work a lot better.

[snow marlin]

avatar creators try to adapt to change challenge (impossible)

[void cobalt]

I'd like to thank dynamic bones for their contributions up to this point.

Now send them away forever, because physbones have no expectations of me paying for them ;3

[west axle]

Though intimidating, physbones are so powerful

[snow marlin]

they're just bouncing there... menacingly

[autumn fossil]

how do we export an avatar with physics bones? with the vrcsdk, right?

[gritty valley]

the same way you publish one without them

or any avatar

[ember goblet]

you don't. physics bone only works internally. it doesn't stay with the avatar.

[modest wind]

Running into a weird issue with physbones. I've got one set on my chest so that a ribbon parented to it can flop around, but doing so causes my head to be subject to physbones even though it's part of the ignore list. Any idea what's going on here?

[rose lantern]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones#humanoid-bones
you shouldn't use humanoid bones as the root for physbones

[thorny dome]

Frankly I personally have loved the change lol! Much more to work with, also the added benefit of not being a total frame killer? What???

[desert jewel]

Which angle do i have to limit so the tail doesn't go into the body anymore

[void cobalt]

I have an avatar set of wings with these states
No Wings OR Wings

I put physbones on each of the wings roots, and they work if the wings are on by default.
Problem is, if the wings are off/turned off and you turn them back on, they have an eternal physics conniption fit.

Based on my troubleshooting I suspect the way they are hidden and revealed via scaling to 0 and back is the reason this happens, and if that's the case, then is there an alternative method I can use to toggle the wings on and off or some workaround to make the scaling method behave with the physbones?

[little owl]

Just reduce the slider until it can't anymore. There is no "which angle" to control, there's only one angle and that affects all directions in angle mode

If you want the end of the tail to not be limited as much as the start of the tail, you can use a curve so you apply a lower angle to the startt

[little owl]

Scaling to 0 breaking stuff is a known bug, should be fixed eventually. But in the meantime you can just scale to 0.0001 instead

[void cobalt]

All right, thanks.

[hollow birch]

I cant change the height on the capsule collider

[crimson berry]

you need to change mode from normal to debug to see it

[hollow birch]

thank you

[mild stirrup]

recently i saw a vid of someone that had a sword that they could de-attach from their body and move around or just let it float, and they could also put it back in place with proximity, how do i do that?

i have a toaster laptop avi and i want people to be able to take out the toasts and put them back in

[mild stirrup]

also i there a way to give the colliders specific sizes? or off set them? so they are not like this

[placid ginkgo]

is that normal if only sdk is import?

have this problem and not know why or how to fix

[mellow hawk]

Did you move your avatar after you made your collider's? If so just edit and undo edit them to fix that.

[placid ginkgo]

the yellow moves diffrent then the body

i did change nothing get update of the ava load it in unity then upload

[mellow hawk]

Is it only the right hand, or is it both hands?

[placid ginkgo]

both hands and dynamics on up from neck

[turbid ice]

Is there any particular reason as to why sometimes physbones just don't work at random times? Example: when I load in initially I can't be interacted with externally (I can interact with myself but others can't interact with me and I can't interact with converted avatars), but if I swap avatars a couple times (between my current fully physbone one to a converted one and then back to the physbone one) it works again. It happens every time I play pretty much and it's kinda annoying since I have to swap avatars 2-3 times before dynamics decides to work

[safe wind]

So, I'm having an issue with a couple of my tails. They don't retain there shape when I unrestrict the angel.
See in the first picture, this is how this tail is supposed to rest.
However in the second picture when I set limit to off so it can naturally swing, it moves and rests elsewhere, anyway I can change this?

All the other tails have the same settings. Gravity is off

[mellow hawk]

Try messing around with the Pull force. More pull, more it wants to be at rest pose. Could also try Stiffness to reduce the angle of movement.

[placid ginkgo]

still look for a why and how to fix

[dark drift]

common problem, usually disabling/enabling interactions in quick menu helps, no need to change avatars

[twilit dune]

Can anyone help me with the physbone angle parameter please?
I have set the parameter "MovementValue", and can see the MovementValue_Angle parameter available in the animator.
For some reason though, I can't get it to trigger an animation though when - for example - the angle goes above a certain amount.

[twilit dune]

Nevermind, I figured it out~
You can't use them on sub-animators. XP

[blissful garnet]

The phys bones moves, but the mesh is not afflicted. What am I doing wrong ?

[mellow hawk]

Do you have bones on the fbx?

[fiery brook]

Can anyone help me

I was trying to publish my avatar with phys bone

And it said that I have to much transforms

[lyric compass]

I think I figured out why physbones are vibrating like this in some worlds. It gets worse the further away you get from 0,0,0 in unity.
This video demonstrates physbones vibrating in a hat.

1. Physbones Enabled via a toggle - Work fine in my world where spawn is very close.
2. Physbones Disabled via toggle - Works fine when located far from spawn
3. Physbones Enabled via toggle - Start to vibrate when located far from spawn
   Note: My physbones are not attached to the actual head bone in my avatar because they tend to break if you do that. The way VRChat "hides" your head from first person is by scaling down the head bone, and if physbones are attached to bones that are too small they break.
   What I have is a dummy headbone parented to my neck bone with a rotation constraint to the real head bone.

Now question is how do you prevent them from vibrating further away from 0,0,0? 🤔

Seeing as the physbones for my coat doesn't vibrate it's gotta be some settings right?
Here are settings for the center and the brim of the hat respectively

Actually the coat does vibrate a little bit but not as bad as the hat

[compact mulch]

does anyone know how to have late-joiner sync on physbones? i have an avatar that has a facemask setup thru grabbable physbones and seemingly if i join a world and later move the mask, later joiners that join after ive moved it will see the mask as in its original position unmoved.

[lyric compass]

Tried to disable my head collider but that wasnt it 🤔

[lyric compass]

Seems to be testable in Unity if I move my avatar out 30000 meters away so I guess I just gotta keep changing stuff until it stops hmm

[bitter girder]

is it possible to set "Allow Posing" to a toggle? I tried and it only works on my tail

[mellow hawk]

I think you need is animated on to do that. Not sure.

[bitter girder]

I have is animated on for my ears tho hm

[lime lion]

So now that the new dynamic bones broke everything
i'm trying to figure out how to fix the problem where i can't turn off specific toggles to have physics on (I used to have a toggle for physics, and not it doesn't work at all and stays on all the time), any ideas on how to fix this?
For example, I could choose to turn off my tail bones so it doesn't move around at all (it would look stiff), and I also had a toggle that could turn it ON and make it have normal physics.
But now it's broken and it remains ON all the time no matter what I do to it in the toggles menu..

[brazen seal]

any way to avoid this from happening? i want it to only move in one straight line so i changed the limit to an angle of 0 but, it seems to also stretch when pulled to any other direction.

[prime hemlock]

If your avatar is still using dynamic bones but just converted there is nothing you can do because any animation references to dynamic bone scripts are no longer referenceable after the auto conversion. Aka phys bone conversion breaks toggles and other db animations. Only thing you can do is find a way to reference the new script (which might actually be possible with a custom keyframe), not use converted physbones in your settings, or remake the avatar with phys bones.

[prime hemlock]

But I have no idea what the reference would be called. I haven't touched phys bones yet. Could probably ask someone who has animated them what the ref looks like

I'm gonna legit try this method actually and I'll report back

[prime hemlock]

Yep that's what I'm gonna try doing!

[dire gate]

Dumb question but is it possible to make grab-able objects that can be grabbed by other users

[normal urchin]

So uhh

I am once again asking for good values I can use for a cape

It’s a long cape that goes past the avatar’s feet

And since I have it connected to the arms at the ends, I want it to be able to naturally drape down

[lofty walrus]

It's kind of not possible to provide because it all depends on the amount of bones and how well they are weight painted. Plus your other dependency for having it connected to the arms. You may have to play with curves

[normal urchin]

I’ve messed with the gravity value but it’s quite tedious considering it’s about 7 modules I have to edit, so I’m wondering if anyone’s found some good success

[normal urchin]

The bones and weights are fine

I’m only looking for values with physbones

nothing to do with the model itself

[lofty walrus]

However, I will advise that you find a looping walk animation and play it in unity. Adjust the PB in play mode for real time updates

[normal urchin]

When I said it’s connected to the arms, I meant it in the sense that the 2 ends of it are tied to the upper arm, so I can raise my arms and the caps stretches out

[lofty walrus]

Just remember to copy the settings before you turn off play 😀

[normal urchin]

I suppose I can play around with it more

If someone has some values that have worked for them, reply to this with a ping and let me know. Thanks

[rugged solar]

This says capsule, but there's no height options, and it appears to stretch to infinity, am I missing something?

[warm mortar]

Can you create extra global physbone colliders so I can interact with other players physbones? Say like a stick or something?

[lofty walrus]

It's a bug. Switch your inspector to debug and it will show

[lofty walrus]

Simple answer is yes. You can create an empty child object and add a receiver component to it. Set that component to interact with anything

[finite plume]

Is there a way to toggle off phybones?

[warm mortar]

How would I set it to interact with anything? Having it set to receiver type constant?

[lofty walrus]

Select all of the options you want it to trigger with - hands, fingers, head, etc etc

[warm mortar]

But will that cause me to interact with other peoples physbones or only the ones I list on my own avi?

[lofty walrus]

Remember, a receiver is not the sender

[warm mortar]

So for instance, say I have a knife and I want to be able to move another persons hair with it

[lofty walrus]

ok, so you are talking about physical movement and not triggering animations or anything. If your knife has bones on it, then I think all you need to do is give it the PB component, set the Endpoint position (if needed), select allow Collision and set a radius

[warm mortar]

But doesn't normal collision only apply to colliders you add to it?

I'll give it a shot thought because it's the only thing I have left to test

I'm talking about global phys bones like your fingers that can apply collision to anything by default

including other people

[lofty walrus]

well, in that example, anyone can interact with my tie. Although I never tried having my tie touch someones hair Oo

[warm mortar]

Yeah that's kinda what I'm trying to do

I'm thinking they forgot to add a system like that

[warm mortar]

This is because they're using global phys bones to grab your tie

I'm trying to figure out if we can apply or mimic those global phys bones

[lofty walrus]

Try it the same way, just dont give any movement to the knife bones. Maybe it's it's stiff, it will work the same way?

if it even interacts at all

[warm mortar]

I guess I'll give it a shot, I've been trying to use colliders to do it this whole time but maybe using phys bones instead might work

[lofty walrus]

oh, pb colliders are local only and need to be assigned to the bone on the avatar - so those wont work

@warm mortar @ me if you try it and it works. I'd be curious

[warm mortar]

Will do

[teal pelican]

I'm working with contacts. I set a constant parameter with the name of "boops". I went to the FX layer and have tried a Int "boops", Bool "boops" and Float "boops".

Animation Controller Parameter Not Found:'boops'

Despite when building & testing looking at debug. 'boops' appears as a bool under param list.

Parameter - The parameter updated on the animation controller. This parameter DOES NOT need to be defined on the synced Avatar Parameter list. The parameter can be a Float, Bool, or Int, depending on the Receiver Type used.
Am I doing something wrong?

[lofty walrus]

You need to add a parameter with the same name in the parameters tab if the animator menu (where you made the layer) and set it as a bool, int it whatever

[teal pelican]

this parameter DOES NOT need to be defined on the synced Avatar Parameter list

I've tried that too, still doesn't work.

[willow spoke]

i went to upload an avi to vrc and it continuously spits out this error in the thousands anyone have a fix?

[normal urchin]

So, I played with curves on the actual bone colliders and everything wokred out in a decent manner. Thanks for the help!

[lofty walrus]

That warning is for the parameters menu you need to create typically if you are setting up the menu wheel

[normal urchin]

hi Fiy

[lofty walrus]

This is where you need to place the parameter

[teal pelican]

I have it there.

._.

[lofty walrus]

Can you take a screenshot of your layer, parameter and contact receiver component?

[teal pelican]

bruh

[lofty walrus]

lol. time for photoshop

[teal pelican]

like its there. it can see it

[jolly crane]

are you testing it using the Lyuma emulator?

otherwise it will not work properly

[teal pelican]

I have, but ive also tested in-game.

Same issue.

[lofty walrus]

what does your receiver look like?

[jolly crane]

could be a Write defaults issue on your controller

[teal pelican]

Write defaults all off.

[lofty walrus]

Also, in the layer - and there are multiple ways of doing this, but this works for me. I usually do anystate to the default, then toggled

[jolly crane]

you wanna double check? since it's on by default when you create a state

[jolly crane]

not a good idea

any state is worse for performance

[jolly crane]

the way they have their toggle already set up is the optimal way

[lofty walrus]

Did you set the transitiion conditions?

[jolly crane]

and is that on every layer of your controller?

you cannot mix WD settings within the same controller

[teal pelican]

Yes.

[lofty walrus]

hmm....

[teal pelican]

It worked earlier thats the thing, Then I saved went to dinner, came back

and its not working at all

[jolly crane]

is your FX controller in your avatar descriptor?

[jolly crane]

what does that boop animation actually do?

what does it affect

[teal pelican]

Toggles a particle for a brief second. Its a little hit marker like from cod lol

When you boop the nose

[lofty walrus]

ok, stupid question... but only cause I've done it before. Did you make a duplicate and set a sender/receiver on the dupe, but forgot to put it on the main?

[teal pelican]

wym?

I dont have any dupes

[jolly crane]

some people still duplicate avatars when they make animations

[lofty walrus]

I do it. Old habits. I also dont trust unity lol

[jolly crane]

so they're saying that if you do that, it's possible you added the receiver on the clone, not the original

[normal urchin]

got the cape working with very minor clipping

[teal pelican]

Oh I do that for making them, but Im on the original and everything is on it.

[jolly crane]

no reason to do it really. if the pose ever gets stuck you just hit Reset pose in Pumkin's avatar tools

[teal pelican]

I dont keep the duplicates.

I delete them & their temp controllers.

[jolly crane]

I mean like, there's no reason to do a duplicate at all

all you need is a dummy controller to make animations with

[teal pelican]

Ive had it break to a point pumpkins couldn't even reset it before.

[jolly crane]

was your avatar unpacked?

[teal pelican]

Yeah

[jolly crane]

there you go

one of the many reasons you never unpack

after unpacking, that thing in the scene has no relation to the original FBX

it couldn't be reset because it didn't have a reference as to what it should be like

[lofty walrus]

Great! Now check out Tuppers video on setting the "Z" axis on the bones so you can really make use of the limits in PB so you can kill that clipping

[teal pelican]

I dont get why this doesn't just register though its weird asf.

[normal urchin]

I'm testing how it is in game now

[lofty walrus]

never knew that

[normal urchin]

but i'll check that out, thanks for the tip

[jolly crane]

could be that your animation's paths are wrong, are you sure you had the root of the avatar selected when you made the animation?

[teal pelican]

Its not an animation issue, its a parameter not registering.

[jolly crane]

there might be a space at the end of the name

[teal pelican]

nope

already checked that

[jolly crane]

both on the receiver and controller?

[teal pelican]

mhm i ctrl+a and ctrl+c/ctrl+v'd just to be safe even

Like I said it worked, I saved closed turned off pc to go to mothersday dinner came home and now its not working

[normal urchin]

alright, working pretty well so far