avatar-dynamics

[idle vale]

You know, that makes sense

[stiff glen]

^ direct from the docs btw.

[idle vale]

I knew about spring, but I'm messing around with Advanced and was surprised to see it missing

Ty!

I'll start there next time

[stiff glen]

Always start there!

[idle vale]

Not to get into a whole thing, but Google has been so enshittified that I'm going to revert back to bookmarking things going forward 😅

[stiff glen]

yeah, I don't use google anymore, but also, I'd still start with VRChat's docs before trying a web search

[idle vale]

Precisely, marking it now lol

[tropic thorn]

ding

[quiet dew]

dong

[tropic thorn]

@unborn dragon gotchu

[olive tangle]

dang

[torn tendon]

lol

[calm owl]

Why small bones no work

[swift meteor]

Who is it?

[torn tendon]

hey tupper

[tropic thorn]

Stop having bones that are less than a millimeter long

[torn tendon]

tupper

[unborn dragon]

Thanks Tupper

[torn tendon]

should i turn off bones

[calm owl]

but i export my model in x100 scale

[torn tendon]

convert all dynamic bones to phys bones

on or off

[calm owl]

and unity makes it a mm big

[tropic thorn]

ah, well

.. don't export it in x100 scale

[calm owl]

doh, i shoulda thought of that

[torn tendon]

Oo

Wat dis?

Dis for pb?

[tropic thorn]

I'm not really joking tho-- why can't you do that for those cases?

[fading pilot]

Will being able to change both Ignore Transforms and Charts via animations be possible in the future?

[torn tendon]

tupper fix the god damn update please

Stop

this update is ass

Do not demand stuff out of the dev

crashing, bugs

this update is crashing everyone

[simple elk]

im crashing?

[torn tendon]

They said there would be somw bugs

[shell yarrow]

Post them in our canny please !

[calm owl]

Honestly I couldnt find the export in Meters button so i just scale it to 100x and export in default cm so its scale is 1 in unity, instead of 100

[torn tendon]

Alr turnin off my data cuz phone gonna die

[surreal coral]

There's a way to convert to meters??

[tropic thorn]

This is factually incorrect! (i get to see crash counts) If you're running into issues, please check #vrchat-support and contact support if you're having problems.

[young beacon]

I can grab a different bone chain in each hand...
@pearl ingot I was just asking mostly for confirmation. It's a hastle but I can work around it. I'm sure that it can be added in, only, I'm not familiar with the mathematics behind it, so I can't really add much more than a hopeful comment. =w=

[short narwhal]

awesome to have a channel for this

[crimson berry]

yay finally channel for that

[snow marlin]

yay

[torn tendon]

woohoo..

[tropic thorn]

This is not a good idea, don't do that! it exports to meters by default. It depends on the world settings in your Blender scene.

[snow marlin]

Hi, is it possible to offset either the collider, or the spin point on a dynamic bone?
i wish to have a grab area above the spin point/joint however i am not sure how

[tropic thorn]

Export from blender in the closest-to-how-you-want-it-in-Unity scale as possible.

[merry cove]

quick question why do my facial expresion and toggles stop working when i add triggers onto my avatar..

[surreal coral]

Oh so that stuff is tracked in Blender ok

[tardy barn]

now the pain can be localized here

[pearl ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-that-pepper-next-stop-pepper-stop-it-stop-gif-23204417

[sour crown]

I like that vrchat has put effort into making is own version of dynamic bones for performance reason, and i like it even more that we have the choice of which one we wanna use. I just wish the auto conversion worked a bit more fidelly to the original dynamic bones settings. Out of the box my avatars do not have any bone movements when I activate it, and it's not a problem of bone scale.
Sadly I do not have access to my avatar original files to update them in the new sdk myself, so i'm quite sad to not be able to enjoy the new bones feature

[pulsar coral]

Heeeo, a little help, can someone tell me how I can disable the contact tag of my onw hand on a receiver but without disable it for other people?

[tacit stirrup]

Trying to do hair stretch animation. It only works on one hair strand even tho I put the parameter on all hair chains, can you only put 1 unique parameter per chain?

[tropic thorn]

Enabled embeds for links, oops.

[calm owl]

Ohh theres the button, thanks! 14 ways of doing everything in blender but 13 ways are wrong xD

[tropic thorn]

Due to the (weird, nonstandard, unoptimal) way that DB was built, a direct conversion is really hard to do without us compromising how well PB works. It is intended to work well for about 90% of the time, and the remaining 10% of cases have to be redone in the editor. Auto-conversion is not a magic bullet, it is a "good enough most of the time" bullet.

I understand you don't have access to your original files, though. To that, unfortunately, the only response is "please keep those in the future."

[sour crown]

Yeah, I can understand that. Any plan to work futhermore on your converter later ?

[tropic thorn]

I expect us to do some small tweaks but not major overhauls to conversion. Our focus is on improving "native" PhysBones.

[halcyon vault]

We using this channel to ask for help/advice or more like a showcase?

[sour crown]

Alright thanks for the answer. I'm glad to be able to still use the old version, thank you for that too !

[tropic thorn]

Again, conversion is a stopgap. Ideally you re-implement your PhysBones in the editor.

[simple elk]

wonder how a room with 40 people that you have to auto convert dyn > phys , vs a room with 40 people that all have physbones behaves, will my cpu go... hold on im doing math !! converting the first room 🔨

[snow marlin]

hopefully help lol, all avatar channels became dynamics help today 😄

[tropic thorn]

Notably that is a local-only option-- others will still see you with the conversion. Also, that option will eventually go away. Please do not rely on it.

[inner notch]

avatar dynamics

[halcyon vault]

Even the IK Beta channel xD

[verbal citrus]

I got some bones with bone length 0.006 - 0.008 m, meaning 0.6 - 0.8 cm, so multiple millimeter. I export with FBX units scale, so Root, Armature and Mesh have scale 1 and not 0.01.
From testing and scaling the headbone, it looks like everything smaller than 0.01m stops working, which would mean less than a centimeter, not millimeter.

I could totally understand if bones less than a millimeter would not be considered, but less than 10 millimeters?

[snow marlin]

lol right?

[warm dust]

Where is the new SDK????

[torn tendon]

i dont think it was meant literally

[warm dust]

I've been looking EVERYWHERE

[tardy barn]

on website vrchat.com

[halcyon vault]

The website

[snow marlin]

the website, where else man

[pulsar coral]

https://vrchat.com/home/download

[warm dust]

I looked, and it just gave me the same one I already had

[tropic thorn]

It is in the same place you always get it!

[shell yarrow]

Less than a centimeter = millimeters

[warm dust]

No Phys Bones

[forest pagoda]

tupper nuoance got mad at tupper cat

[snow marlin]

press X to doubt

[devout spoke]

what avi worlds have it for quest and pc?

[night otter]

i cant even get the new sdk to upload no matter how many times i reload my unity

[warm dust]

I can't find Phys Bones on it

[tropic thorn]

That's fine too. I can't imagine us supporting sub-1cm bones.

[scenic ore]

?

[tropic thorn]

In all honesty the fix is probably to skip the super-short bones during physics calc.

[halcyon vault]

No images allowed in this channel?

[warm dust]

Doubt all you want. I don't have Phys Bones after putting that in my Unity

[tropic thorn]

Enabled.

[snow marlin]

no capes images!

[halcyon vault]

ty

[simple elk]

Instead of 15 tongue bones, merge - 2-3-4 is enough 🔨

[tropic thorn]

oh, right

[verbal citrus]

From what I've seen, this happens on a global scale. So if my avatar were to be half the size as in scaling it locally, phys bones that worked before could stop working since they would become shorter than 1cm.

[snow marlin]

you probably have a borked project, everyone else got the new SDK just fine

[tropic thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[pulsar coral]

Sorry for the question but can someone tell me If there's a way so I can disable the contact tag of my onw hand but without disable it for other people?

[warm dust]

Literally a new project. Soooo...Sure. XD But I'll try another one. No need to be rude. And no, I've seen plenty of people complaining.

[snow marlin]

"VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.04.21.03.29_Public.unitypackage" <- this is the file i got with the new bones

[halcyon vault]

People have been getting the Burst and Mathematics issues non-stop. I almost wish I got it so I was sure on a solution

[cursive hull]

new channel pog

[halcyon vault]

People are downloading the Beta sdks instead

[warm dust]

Okay, so I got the new SDK. But I can't find it in the search. I'll try another new project. X.x

[tropic thorn]

You want to uncheck "Allow Self" on the Reciever rather than the Contact. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/contacts#filtering-1

[tacit stirrup]

Trying to do hair stretch animation. It only works on one hair strand even tho I put the parameter on all hair chains, can you only put 1 unique parameter per chain?

[snow marlin]

how's that rude... if the issue isn't on download the it has to be on the project lol
unity loves breaking, its nothing against you

[jolly crane]

can you screenshot what you're trying to search?

[pulsar coral]

Yes but I still want to be able to touch the receiver, I just don't want it to react with my right hand bc I'm holding it

[tropic thorn]

Correct, params are per-component. So if you have a single component affecting all your hair strands, stretch will read a value if any of the strands are stretched.

[tropic thorn]

I see. That's not possible at this time unfortunately!

[warm dust]

Yeah. VRC Phys just sent me to "Add New Script" or whatever...

[jolly crane]

you sure you didn't accidentally download the worlds SDK?

[warm dust]

But I'm trying again on a premade project, in case something went wonky in the new one somehow. Just in case. I'll have to try in another new project later

[tropic thorn]

There's a few reasons this might happen.

1. You're not on Unity 2019.4.31f1. We don't support older versions of Unity.
2. You didn't upgrade the SDK properly. Check https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/setting-up-the-sdk
3. There are errors in console.

[warm dust]

Yeah. I went directly to my newest download

[tropic thorn]

The first one is very common.

You must be on Unity 2019.4.31f1 (look in the title bar of the editor) for PhysBones to work. Older Unity versions do not work and do not support them.

[pulsar coral]

Oh, It's ok then, I hope It can be done in the the future, for now I think I'm going to try to use 2 different receivers, one for myself and another one for everybody else, I see you're really busy, keep the good work!

[tropic thorn]

Please make a feedback item! It's a good idea. The UI for the editor might be tough, you don't want to make it too confusing.

[pulsar coral]

Ooook, let me find the webpage

[thorny isle]

ooo new channel

i shall live here

[warm dust]

Got it working for my old project LOL Dunno what happened with the new one, but I'll try that later.

[tropic thorn]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback

[fading pilot]

The affects of the Gravity slider doesn't update when changed with a float value/radial menu. If I toggle the phys bone script off and on, it'll update, but until then, the bones will act as if the values were not changed

[wanton ether]

Im missing the VRChat SDK/Utilities/Convert DynamicBones to PhysBone option what did I do wrong? 😅
Just downloaded the newest AV3 SDK from the website, and installed it on-top of the last SDK

[tacit stirrup]

So how do I go on efficiently doing it for the whole hair, if front/back don't use same values?

[agile surge]

unpack your prefab, right-click the head bone, create empty
move the empty into the spot you want it to be
drag all the hair bones you wanna parent to it into it.
it's important that you move the empty BEFORE parenting the bones to it, or else you'll move the bones with it.

then add your component to the empty.
that way you can have a BackHair and a FrontHair empty in the head with the bones parented to them, and each with their own Phys Bone component

[tacit stirrup]

I see, so for the animation for hair stretch I will need 2 conditions and 2 IsGrabbed parameters

[regal quail]

is there a new sdk i need to download for the update, if so where do i download it at?

[agile surge]

I see no reason why you couldn't give them the same animation parameter

unless a vrc dev wants to come bonk me on the head

the angle and stretch values would go wack, but the isgrabbed would just become an AND/OR gate

[summer jungle]

So I only have 3 parent bones but the sdk is saying I have over 8 and I wanna make it quest compatible how do I fix this?

[agile surge]

I don't have unity open to test this tho

[tacit stirrup]

because 2 phys components, 2 different parameters of IsGrabbed,no?

[halcyon vault]

Parent bones?

[summer jungle]

ya

[hazy karma]

new channel?

ooo

[halcyon vault]

What do you mean though because everything that isn't the last bone in a chain is a Parent bone.

[hazy karma]

avatar dynamics are perhaps perfect for what they are, I'll say

everyone's issues lies in the forced conversion of DB to physbones

[thorny isle]

i want contacts to measure opposite what they do now for my knife

[hazy karma]

did someone rumor that you could make arms and legs physbones and have them pullable?

I miiight want to try that, perhaps

[summer jungle]

sorry im new to the hold avatar thing but like i have the ears and tail with physbones but it says i have over 8

[mighty lance]

Do physbones still need to be on seperate chains for people to grab multiple parts? Or was that changed

[thorny isle]

I’ve seen someone in game with grabbable limbs. It was cute cause you could give them upsies.

[mighty lance]

I can't find anything in the documentation saying either way

[hazy karma]

upsies?

[tardy barn]

apparently placing physbones on humanoid transforms is bad

[halcyon vault]

what words does the sdk use?
Because it's either Components or Transforms

[thorny isle]

[hazy karma]

ohhh

[thorny isle]

idk if it works though anymore, not sure if they put physbones on their arms directly or used a duplicated skeleton and constraints

[timber oxide]

I've downloaded the latest sdk, but the physbones component isn't coming up when I search "VRC Phys Bone". I feel I've definitely missed something because only dynamic bone comes up. I've ensured I am using the most up to date sdk

oof wrong channel mb

[tardy barn]

right channel

check for compile errors

[timber oxide]

that might've been it. I found something that was causing errors, deleted it, and now unity is reimporting things. I'll update on if it works or not

[night otter]

Heads up to be able to upload using the new sdk I had to turn off the default unity cam and light other wise the upload will fail every time.

[timber oxide]

This was exactly the issue, and things show up correctly now. Thank you very much!

[pulsar coral]

There's, thank u for the help.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/feedback-add-a-separation-of-our-tags-from-others-people-tags-on-contact-recieve

[grave salmon]

what could be the reason for some bones not being grabbable even though they are specifically marked as such?

[simple elk]

itty bitty ones? / no radius ?

[grave salmon]

oh fuck you're right

radius = 0

that's probably it

i have another question: is there anything special or non obvious I need to do to get contact receivers to work? I added one to my avatar, set added a FingerIndex collision tag, set the parameter type to proximity, added the parameter to my fx controller but no matter how close i bring my finger to it, the value in the animator is always 0

[pearl ingot]

What's the easiest way to make a big flat contact, like for plane or a box?

[tardy barn]

pretty good conversion job right?

[lament coyote]

Stop using bones less than a millimeter.... What if the bone in blender is well over a millimeter and in unity they're all scaled to 1 and now see this, the tip is the only thing that moves and PLUS in the beta I did some crash testing, said bones for my glasses chain were working completely fine in there, and now it's completely frozen but unfreezes when i scale the glasses up in unity....

[tacit stirrup]

looks pretty good to me.

[lament coyote]

There was some kind of change in the physbones that was untouched in the BETA that made it functional for accessories such as earrings, chains, etc that made it functional and you guys touched it and now it's completely unusable for them, because I believe it's completely unreasonable for us to have the need to fix something that is already functional with dynamic bones, and it was previously working completely fine

[tardy barn]

man ive been slaving for over 6 hours on this cape trying to get it looking nice

the bones are too wiggly

[valid topaz]

i see that "OnEnter" is most ideal for making a toggle button, but it still seems a little confusing for this purpose. How would i pull this off if it resets itself the frame after by default?

[halcyon vault]

Use the parameter it's setting to transition into a state with a Parameter driver to set a second synced parameter

[valid topaz]

like this?

[halcyon vault]

yeah. you can modify the logic a bit to make it a flip-flop style or have a second button that disables it

[indigo rivet]

New to this post..

did the update break locomotion for anyone?

bobble head effect?

[supple plume]

how do you preview the contact thing on the editor? i don't think you can just click it

i set the FX controller on the descriptor, but i don't' know what to do to cause the actual touch while in play mode

[halcyon vault]

Yeah, you can make your own Sender and mark it with the Keyword that you're checking for in the Receiver. Move that into the Receiver and see if it triggers

[supple plume]

so i have to create an object with the sender and move it in the scene?

[valid topaz]

i'm a little stumped on this one. got any ideas on how i might achieve this?

[halcyon vault]

yeah, I've been using that for simulating the right and left hands

[leaden wing]

is there a PhysBones help channel?

[remote tide]

right here

[ashen swan]

ears go STRECCCC

[torn tendon]

YAAAAAAA

[valid topaz]

ty for posting that physbone tutorial yesterday o7

[short narwhal]

cool

[leaden wing]

ok, i had an avi that worked perfect in the beta but now its hairs acts is if its extremely stuff and barely moves

[valid topaz]

perfect timing with the update lol

[remote tide]

is it a public avatar or one you uploaded yourself?

[leaden wing]

uploaded myself

[remote tide]

you'll want to update your avatar project to the latest sdk then, convert dynamic bones to physbones and tweak the settings yourself

[supple plume]

yea that seems to work, thanks!

[leaden wing]

the avi had all PhysBones bones in the beta

was already converted

[remote tide]

oh are you on quest?

[supple plume]

also another thing, is there a difference between using "Finger" and all other variants? like "Finger L" and "Finger Index", do i need to add all of them to my receiver? or only the most general one?

[remote tide]

a physbone limit was implemented during the beta, your avatar needs to have less than 64 transforms and less then 8 components

[leaden wing]

yes but its a PC / Ques avi

[halcyon vault]

Transition into Driver On would check the Receiver Param is On and that the Synced Param is Off,
whilst the transition into Driver Off would check that the Receiver Param and the Synced Param are both On.
Both the transitions back into the Waiting would be checking the Receiver Param is Off

[leaden wing]

hmm, maybe its over the limit

[halcyon vault]

Finger covers all of them but it allows you to get more specific if you want

[valid topaz]

thank you thank you !

[supple plume]

because in the editor setting a more specific finger doesnt' work

[leaden wing]

Another issue is when I import the lates SDK or even the one before it , it breaks the avi

I guess I may have to start over with the latest sdk 😦

[vestal obsidian]

Can someone link me some good, accurate, and in depth avatar dynamics tutorials? I want to convert over and I don't know all the steps do do so.

[thorny isle]

try in game, i noticed earlier that i could only get contact senders to work in unity, not the built in ones like hand and finger

[past carbon]

Couple silly questions:

• is there a way to enable collision between phys bones and one of the built-in colliders (torso, for example)?
• is there a phys bones setup out there that makes a single object grabbable and posable anywhere in local space?

[leaden wing]

Is that the PC limit or Quest limit?

[tacit stirrup]

why don't these sync with the fx layer?

[short narwhal]

Quest limit

[thorny isle]

use the autoconvert function built into the sdk, and watch the video that’s pinned
skip forward a bit til when forces are starting to be explained

[vestal obsidian]

Ok.

[thorny isle]

it’s pretty intuitive and similar enough to dynamic bones that it shouldn’t be too big of a jump

[leaden wing]

Welll my PC version had the same proplem so its not the limits

[jolly crane]

are you using the avatar 3.0 emulator?

also, make sure that the FX controller in question is in your avatar descriptor

[tacit stirrup]

yea the fx is already played on the avatar in play mode
and I should have the 3.0 emulator in the project but not in use on the avatar atm

[torn tendon]

how come i cant convert? i dont have the option to convert my bones even tho i have the new sdk?

[short narwhal]

do you have Dynamic bones installed?

[torn tendon]

yes

[errant gate]

Can someone explain to me what avatar dynamics does for quest?

[short narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ronwThXPFz8

[valid topaz]

in the event my parameter memory hits 128 is that a hard cap or only a suggestion

[past carbon]

bumpity bump

[torn tendon]

nvm i fixed it. i just updated my dynamic bones

[errant gate]

TY

[short narwhal]

cool

[short narwhal]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-dynamics

[jolly crane]

hard limit

cannot go past 128 bits

how did you set it up in your FX controller?

can you show the transition between off and on

okay, and how are you testing this? are you testing it in unity or did you try it in game

open the Debug menu in game and check if the parameter is changing

[valid topaz]

pain

how the heck do ppl get their avatar to be so unbelievably customizable with 128 being the hard limit

[jolly crane]

avoid using Floats and Ints whereever possible

you can do a lot with Bools

[weak perch]

so what is the easiest way to get around the small bones issue with physbones? Do I have to reduce the amount of bones, or can something be done to the export scale from blender to fix it in unity?

[wary karma]

can you give a pb a handful of colliders to be? i tried setting some colliders in the colliders tab, but they stay green instead of blue or transparent

[summer hollow]

I should repeat my question:

[wary karma]

the ears on my avatar dont have the bones perfectly placed, a pb-s dont allow an offset.

[summer hollow]

I want to have a contact receiver add per-hit, to a float that determines a value tied to my armour animation. Just a small amount. The goal is to simulate armour damage using cumulative hits and then be able to reset it somehow. Not sure how feasible this is.

[carmine elk]

where can I find a ''how to'' for phys bones? 🤔

nvm got it

im dumb

[vestal obsidian]

For installing the new physbones SDK, do I just drag and drop it into my project?

[pulsar sundial]

where do i download physics bones

[tacit stirrup]

it comes with the latest sdk

[short narwhal]

download the Avatar SDK off of the website

[pulsar sundial]

alright

[leaden wing]

Is there a reason for nothing showing up under the builder like this?

[short narwhal]

check your console for any errors

[ashen swan]

I got that once when I had problems with bones in my model

[peak grail]

so i think ive troubleshooted a problem i have where the physbone components, if they have the hip bone as their root transform, but use the ignore transforms, dont correctly work. leading to a very messed up IK. both for the walking and when crouching or proning it rotates the whole armature by 90 degrees. (in opposite directions each, tho) has anyone else seen this? and apart from giving each bone chain their own component, has anyone figured out a workaround?

[short narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s9nwUhtrEk&t=50s the tutorial I used for headpats

[vestal obsidian]

Do I just drag and drop in the new avatars SDK?

[leaden wing]

If I use VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.03.04.12.28_Public It looks normal. Any SDK after that make it not have the info.

[short narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4mMA3gZlSs&t=2s this tutorial would cover that you just put the collider on the head instead of the nose

[short narwhal]

yes

[vestal obsidian]

ok

[full wadi]

What settings should I be focusing on for on-person pickups? is the maximum distance of the 'pickup' based on the size of the bone? or a fixed number? I'm just hopping back in blender to make changes now, so if I need to add like 6 bones to the chain that's not out of the question

[gentle pier]

Is there a way to test colliders unity before uploading avatar?

the collider interacts

[short narwhal]

basically they would be the size of the bones as basically you're attaching like the pick up objects to a leash made out of physics bones

[vestal obsidian]

I just imported the new SDK. Why is there nothing here?

[peak grail]

https://i.imgur.com/pIcv0S3.jpeg something like this

[leaden wing]

same problem for me

[valid timber]

Seen that. Same thing with having the head as a root bone.

[peak grail]

not sure if thats the same for me, i had problems with my hair but that was because of the hair bone end points that is mentioned in the documentation. was easy to fix. didnt do this one at all, tho

[peak grail]

did you get yours going somehow?

[vestal obsidian]

I restarted and I think it fucked up the project.

Oh thank fucking god I made a backup!

[valid timber]

Had to create a dummy bone to parent the physbones too. Like with the head, the hair bones were connected to head. So I had head as root and it messed up. So I went to blender, added a bone called “hair root” to the head with head as the parent, and made all the hair parented to hair root instead of head. So basically hair root acted as a middle man

[vestal obsidian]

Under the vrchat sdk panel it only says "reload sdk"

[peak grail]

with a change like that, can i update my fbx in place?

[valid timber]

I’ve learned the hard way to always back up, and to back up your back ups haha

[full wadi]

so make a few chonker bones like this and maybe zig zag back and forth a few times? :^)

[vestal obsidian]

Oh don't worry I backed up 😄

[valid timber]

Mhm. It won’t affect anything negatively. The hair root bone in my example had no weights applied to it. It solely existed to ground the physbones without messing up the IK

[short narwhal]

I think so yeah I haven't tried making one of those kind of things before

[peak grail]

does your ik in general, also act slightly different with the physbones? it seems like it leans more for me, even with just the components that dont have the mentioned issue?

[gray talon]

is there a button to reset all bone positions?

[valid timber]

Hmmm, I’ve noticed nothing of that nature.

[valid timber]

In game? You can reset your avatar from the expressions menu

[gray talon]

but then i needa set all my cloth again....okay thats stupid

[full wadi]

Thanks for your help friend! I'll give it a go

this feels like the jankest science i've ever done lmao

[peak grail]

yeah, its really weird :/

[rustic terrace]

How do you make it so that players can grab objects off of your body, like detaching a hairpin off of my head for example?

[valid timber]

From my limited testing, multiple bones together in a chain, or stretching

[leaden wing]

i wish i had a backup.

[short narwhal]

hopefully it does work okay

[gentle pier]

Anyone?

[halcyon cargo]

in unity play mode

[gentle pier]

You can interact with bones but what about the colliders?

the recievers and such

[halcyon cargo]

hmm maybe if you checked 'to self' and try with your own avatar's bone, or just via the fx layer

[cedar maple]

I'm here to share this if anyone else has had this issue, and i'm gonna report it to the canny as well. To explain:
Back on dynamic bones i had a collider under my avatars feet so that when my avatars tail would lay on the ground, it would settle on the ground. But now with the new phys bones, there is constant jitter when it lays on the floor collider, ive tried messing with all the tail bones settings and troubleshooting many things but it always stays jittering

was wondering if anyone else is experiencing similar issues

[leaden wing]

Hmm, i see a ton of errors just importing the last SDK into a new unity project

VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.04.21.03.29_Public = tons of error on a new project with nothing else imported

VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.04.20.16.27_Public = no errors

i think that 4.21 sdk is what screwed up my existing project

[weak perch]

i did this and smaller bones still dont move for me. I'm working with a tongue that is on my avatar (not for sus reasons lol) and i have exported it so it is the correct size with unity scaling at 1.

still doesnt move

the only thing that does work is dissolving its bones, but this reduces the quality of movement it once had

[pearl ingot]

So before I go insane, what are the common reasons for a Constant Bool Contact Receiver not triggering? It works in one of my scenes, but the exact setup doesn't seem to be working in another.

the bool isn't changing

[carmine elk]

so we dont need to add colliders to the hands manually anymore, right?

[short narwhal]

your hands are automatically taken care of

[carmine elk]

thank you! ❤️

[tacit stirrup]

how does it know the size of the collider tho if you don't set it up yourself? does it detect the way the mesh is built?

[pearl ingot]

it's on your avatar descriptor, at the bottom, under Colliders. You can size them there if you don't like the defaults.

[tacit stirrup]

I've had the same issue but with the physbone parameter bool, it doesn't trigger for me even tho in the script the IsGrabbed is at 1

[short narwhal]

like it just pick some default value for the radius of the finger bone colliders

[odd grove]

um uh where did you even find the parameter? What do you do after giving it a name?

[tacit stirrup]

after you give it a name it generated 3 parameters that you also need to add to the fx layer parameters page

it worked for another script earlier but not anymore in this other script. tho i followed the same steps

[odd grove]

So you manually make a parameter with a corresponding name? like Taildrag_IsGrabbed

[pearl ingot]

you create the parameters yourself using those names

[odd grove]

Riiight, thank you both!

[pulsar topaz]

tweaking physbones is so tedious

[odd grove]

How come?

[tacit stirrup]

have you had any luck doing an animation with that yourself?

[hybrid kindle]

Is physbone broken on tiny bones rn?

[remote tide]

yes

[hybrid kindle]

Ah oki oki

[odd grove]

So can you just use the parameter in layers afterwards? and is there a way to play test in unity?

I know game scene lets you grab things, but does it activate animations upon stretching? (as an example)

[rustic sinew]

i would like to request a feature for physics bones, gravity does behave ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from dynamic bones

in dynamic bones, gravity would only affect if the bone base was at a different orientation from the starting position

if you put gravity on bunny ears, ears would be stiff while head is in normal position, and when you tilt your head, ears would start being affected by gravity

[remote tide]

use gravity falloff

[rustic sinew]

you mean the curve?

[remote tide]

https://sippbox.life-is-pa.in/5udGRqtig

[rustic sinew]

OH thanks

i see

thank you

btw congrats for the release of avatar dynamics

kudos for all the team

you all should celebrate lots

[remote tide]

i can hear lots of champagne bottles popping in the server room

[short narwhal]

especially since it works so well on Quest

[tropic thorn]

Just separate the bones, don't have bone heads be on top of each other.

That's really all you have to do.

[lofty walrus]

I am VERY disappointed with physbone collider quality

it's like the bones ignore the colliders half the time

[tropic thorn]

Can you be more specific? PhysBone colliders have fewer bugs and have higher fidelity for collision.

[weak perch]

they are separated

[tropic thorn]

... Do you need that many?

You could probably pull that off with like three bones. Maybe five, with two on the end for the extra.

[lofty walrus]

posted to feedback - https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/physbones-colliders-not-as-solid-as-dynamic-bone-colliders

[tacit stirrup]

still looking for help as of why this doesn't sync with the parameters in the fx layer

[weak perch]

@tropic thorn probably not no, but with the minimum needed for movement to finally work it looks worse than it did before. im currently rerigging the tongue now anyway but it just seems a little unnecessary.

[lofty walrus]

But they don't seem consistent, or as "solid" for a lack of a better term. Lots of clipping when compared to dbone colliders

[tropic thorn]

The core issue is the weird scaling that's going on causing distances to be far shorter than they should be, I'm just trying to help find mitigations.

[pearl ingot]

yep. physbones parameters work fine for me. Contact parameters on the otherhand sometimes refuse to trigger their parameter changes in the editor.

[lofty walrus]

I've been trying all sorts of adjustments with simple/advanced and limits. Just can't seem to get it right

[weak perch]

Thats fair, and that you have done, so thank you

[tacit stirrup]

any idea why it doesn't sync on the image i sent above

i'm lost

[pearl ingot]

Well it defaults to false. it's only going to change to true while it's being grabbed

[tacit stirrup]

it is grabbed, hence it's set to 1 on the right

i was testing it in play mode while the fx layer is attached to the avatar

[lofty walrus]

@tropic thorn Here is an example of Dbone vs Physbone colliding. (watch the skirt and legs) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400164147654033419/967048073924718632/Tda_Models_-_Chloe_Hi_-_Pc_Mac__Linux_Standalone_-_Unity_2019.4.31F1_Personal_Dx11_2022-04-22_08-43-27-1.mp4 (dbone)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400164147654033419/967048246499364904/High_Quality_Models_-_Chloe_Hi_-_Pc_Mac__Linux_Standalone_-_Unity_2019.4.31F1_Personal_Dx11_2022-04-22_08-41-44-1.mp4 (physbones)

[pearl ingot]

yeah i'm having the same issue with contacts. does it work in-game?

it's possible the emulator is bad

[tacit stirrup]

hmm I haven't tried, I guess I should stop wasting time and try it in game instead lol

usually testing it all in unity before going in game

[bold pine]

so i set up a contact receiver, but when someone hits it, it only shows the effect for me, no one else, and i dont have "local only" checked

[crisp saffron]

Is there a canny issue about the new SDK counting disabled PhysBones scripts as active?

[lofty walrus]

@tropic thorn saw your reply. I'll work on a set of videos.

[crisp saffron]

Cool, now I just need to set up hand colliders.

[hexed seal]

Is there a hard phs bone limit for pc avatars?

Phys bone component limit that is?

[crimson berry]

for pc no hard limit

[hexed seal]

Cause can’t upload past 8 components for some reason

[crimson berry]

bcs ur on android target probably

[hexed seal]

Nope

[crimson berry]

yes those are all android limits

ur unity bugged

reopen project

[carmine elk]

erm, which settings do I play with to get the chain fall?

[halcyon cargo]

gravity down @carmine elk

like 0.02 maybe and play with it from there

[ionic kelp]

What do I need to do to make my physbones interactable? No one can touch them with the boxes checked and they don't show up as blue.

Is it because I toggle the script in an animation?

[carmine elk]

it looks like it wants to bend but the bones bend in chain instead of individual bones

if that makes sense

[halcyon cargo]

gravity falloff as well

other than that i've noticed the physbones aren't great at giving each bone in the chain the dynamics it needs

[ionic kelp]

Oh, I need collision radius, don't I?

[polar acorn]

is there anything about how to pick up a sword or bat off your back using these new dynamics?

[halcyon cargo]

yes

[loud kite]

hi miss @halcyon cargo im confused is there a sdk that suports physbone and work which do u recomend

[carmine elk]

okay, its the angle that allows the chain to bend!

[halcyon cargo]

you can just turn it off

you might have an easier time turning off the angle (to some chains) and also set the forces to simplified instead of advanced

[halcyon cargo]

the latest vrcsdk available for download on vrchat's website

[loud kite]

thx

[arctic linden]

has anyone been having issues where scaling the bone of a phys bone doesn't work correctly.

[cedar maple]

Ok after some more troubleshooting with my tail, it seems like the reason its flickering/jumping with the collider has something to do with the 'immobilize" option

when the immobilize option has any value to it, the tail will jump around, but as soon as its set to 0, it seems to act how i want it to

[opaque glen]

What are these red and blue balls?

[rustic terrace]

Does anyone know how to make the stretch radius longer?

Longer than 5

[robust pecan]

I remember during the beta some people talked about how you couldn't animate settings of physbones during runtime
is that still true? I want to change the gravity setting with an animation

[tropic thorn]

This is not a bug, this is intended behavior

[tropic thorn]

Turn Gravity Falloff to 0

[robust pecan]

Doesn't the SDK always count disabled stuff as active since for Performance Ranking
it wants to know the worst case scenerio of everything enabled?

[short narwhal]

sdk always counts disabled components in it's totals for the ranking system

[crisp saffron]

k

[robust pecan]

It'd be cool if it could look through animations and such to get a better estimate since most avatars can't have everything enabled but eh

[ionic kelp]

I'm stuck with capsule shaped physbones, eh? I can't flatten them?

[tropic thorn]

Can't do that, scanning for stats repeatedly is very performance heavy

You can't look at animators at runtime either, they turn opaque (they're "compiled", basically)

[robust pecan]

I was imagining it'd only run through multiple times at upload and then when loaded in game it'd come with some metadata saying it's performance rank
plus as you're right, it'd take longer/be performance heavy, maybe it could be optional so for people who want to make avatars with a lot of stuff but know only some is shown at any given time could wait longer during upload so their avatar isn't ranked very poor.

[tacit stirrup]

how come when editing the default colliders in the descriptor (hand, feet etc), it removes the collider on the unedited side

[quick hawk]

the bones on my avatars belly keeps moving and locking in place without anyone moving it.it does it on its own and when i move it to fix it, it refuses to go back to normal. i thought they would have fixed this by now.

how i fix?

[robust pecan]

Here this should go over the settings that'll let you fix it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[quick hawk]

i hope i explained it well enough.

[robust pecan]

Watch the video it goes over the different settings in Unity
I think you'll probably wanna mess with Pull and Immobilze but idk

[valid topaz]

i am at my wit's end with trying to get this touch toggle stuff to work

does anyone have a tutorial they could shoot my way

you would not believe how many technical difficulties i have had in the last 6 hours that impeded on me working on this 💀

[hidden brook]

i can't seem to interact with my own physbones

[gray stone]

https://i.penny.moe/t0d29hbgvz3e.png

Do the colliders here auto collide with all phys bones?

[gray stone]

on the descripter

[grizzled meteor]

I’m struggling to understand how it works on quest? Anyone know?

[silent crown]

How do you easily reset a posed physbone in game after someone moves it? how do you get it to reset to default without reloading the entire avatar?

[gray stone]

U just to grab and let go and it goes back to its normal simulation

[silent crown]

okay I'll give that a go thanks, maybe mine was just being weird haha

[dawn sonnet]

New channel.

[frigid cosmos]

Sorry if someone asked this before, does Physbones not work on small objects? It would work if I enlarge the object but at its original size it wouldn’t move

[robust pecan]

I think it has an issue if the child and parent are too close to eachother maybe that's why?

[hidden brook]

not sure what's wrong here

[frigid cosmos]

That might be why

[frigid cosmos]

Not an expert on this yet but try to set colliders size to 0 since you are not assigning an element?

[hidden brook]

that's what it was at before, didnt work

[frigid cosmos]

Your Collision radius is also 0

[hidden brook]

OH

therree we go

thanks

[frigid cosmos]

[ornate olive]

can someone explain how the contact sender work?

[jaunty vigil]

Trying to add dynamics to the hair but all the hair is under the head parent. I tried both adding phys to the head and the hair bones indivisibly but when I move it around in unity it doesnt move. their a way to fix that?

[karmic geode]

if the bones are smol they wont move

[jaunty vigil]

these small? I'm not using the small ones in the head idk what those are

[karmic geode]

apparently if they're smaller than 1cm

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones

[jaunty vigil]

no way theyre smaller then 1cm

[karmic geode]

is it just one bone for the whole strand?

[jaunty vigil]

thers 2

[lament coyote]

it's a bug

it will hopefully be fixed because in the open beta my glasses' chain used to move now today it freezes

[ivory mountain]

how does one remove some? vid doesnt explain,,,

[karmic geode]

Either set the end point of the phys bone, or try scaling your avi up to like 2 and test it. if they move when your avi is scaled up then its the bug

[karmic geode]

remove phys bones? click on the bone with the phys on it and delet the script

[lament coyote]

it is a bug

like there's no way it should behave like this

[karmic geode]

well based on what tuptup said who knows if it gets fixed

[ivory mountain]

ty, ill try that

[lament coyote]

it's funny cuz as i specified in the open beta it used to move normally in game and now they might've touched something in the code that makes "tiny" bones freeze with it

[karmic geode]

Yep, but tuptup said it's a low priority bug, and wasn't sure if they'd support bones that small

[cedar maple]

https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/phys-bones-jitters-on-colliders-with-immobilize

I've reported my issue to the canny now

[karmic geode]

easy solution, make the avi a squirrel

[valid topaz]

is there a more simplified way of doing this? slowly watching my parameter slots fill up 🥲

[karmic geode]

Use a single param called MENUON? a toggle should only use 1 bit

[frozen breach]

contact parameters don't need to be in the avatar params object. the contact reciever should sync it automatically regardless[if the docs are accurate on that]

[torn tendon]

Can someone help me with dynamic bones can i get them for free plz i need them

[restive girder]

Dynamic bones is no longer used

[old condor]

bruh you dont need dynamic bones

[restive girder]

Phys bone component comes with the new sdk

[restive girder]

Read the provided documentation in #announcements or watch sipps tutorial video linked many times here if you scroll up

Or here anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

Nobody can give you dynamic bones for free since it's a paid asset even if you wanted it for some reason as that would be theft.

[torn tendon]

Alr ty

[pearl ingot]

So after spending 2 hours trying to figure out why my contact isn't working, it turns out the emulator doesn't simulate contacts at random

worked fine ingame

[dusty shadow]

But that will be fixed no? Bc that means basically almost ALL chains or assets with chains are broken till you rigged them freshly again

[karmic geode]

it's "a lower priority bug"
and tupper isnt sure if smol bones will be supported.

[dusty shadow]

I mean makes sense but still we have to redo all the chains again ^^

[grizzled bloom]

do I need to redownload the avatar sd3?

[daring night]

i updated my my sdk, and im not seeing the physcbones script

[short lily]

I'm trying to optimize my physbone script count using the Ignore Transforms section like so.

This setup creates one chain for each ear transform on my avatar, since they are the only transforms not on the list.

It used to work with dynamic bone, but physbone seems to have issues doing this. My avatar is wobbling uncontrollably as a result.

Is there a different strategy we have to use now?

[torn tendon]

Dose anyone know any good setting, for boob jiggle? I can’t for the life of me replicate the old physics.

[cedar maple]

depends on how many bones are in them but i can share my settings you can try

no guarantee they'll be good for your avi

[lofty light]

Is there a way for me to add a counter somehow and connect it to a blendtree? I have 2 avatars, and when they are close together I want a float value to slowly go up until it's full. The avatar's have ears, and I want the ears to slowly go up and slowly go down based on how long they've been by one another. The longer they are closer the longer the ears stay up

[flint shadow]

avatars that i upload with dynamics arent appearing ingame for quest users

[short narwhal]

if it exceeds the poor ranking for physics Bones on Quest it removes all the physics bones

[flint shadow]

no like it literally does not appear

it doesnt even exceed poor

and it was working before when i uploaded it 2 days ago

[grizzled bloom]

I reinstalled a new sdk and physbones still arent in it but the C# VRC_PhysicsRoot is?

[torn tendon]

I have 2 but I deleted the end bone

[jolly crypt]

has anyone figured out how to do the hue slider thing that is in the dynamics hub?

i want to impliment that + a saturation slider that are kind of on top of each other, making a up down hue picker and a left right saturation picker that you kinda control at the same time

[whole granite]

im tryna make a slap thingy with the new sdk
how do i make it move where the slap is

[finite plume]

Seems Phy bones are somewhat broke on quest side lol

[whole granite]

fr

[austere ridge]

Any good tutorials for contacts?

[molten cipher]

How to fix the Physbones not showing up in the scene editor? The PhysBoneManager gizmo is currently active.

[patent herald]

Hi, idk if this was asked before, but i didnt find anything about it online. How do i make pys bone colliders global? From what i got, only the hand colliders are global, but custom added ones arent?

[gritty valley]

EDIT: physbone colliders are global, at least based off of everything ive seen, where do you see otherwise

[patent herald]

I have custom ones on my thumbs, which do not interact with any external bones, only my own ones because i added them as colliders

[gritty valley]

so your thumbs arent touching what, someones hair I assume

[patent herald]

Yea

[gritty valley]

but your other fingers are?

[patent herald]

Yea, the automatic ones at least, i also added colliders to them for testing, which dont interact aswell

[wary burrow]

I don’t believe there is any way to specify custom global colliders; that would be way too easy for people to exploit

[gritty valley]

i think that might be part of it if you set up colliders on your avatar but left the other ones blank

i would do them all custom or none imo

is it possible to have grabbing a physbone overide the limitation angles?

[gloomy hound]

Quick question setting up phys bones, do I untick/remove the dyn bone script or can i upload with both scripts? Will they conflict?

[short narwhal]

there's a button that can Auto convert the dynamic bones to physics bones

[sage mist]

the bones are making my avatar hand freak out how do i fix that

[lusty niche]

slightly annoyed that physbones don't seem to stop running when i disable the bones they're attacked to like dynamic bones did. means all the bones for all my hairstyles are actively calculating at the same time till i re-do my animations to disable the physbone scripts directly x.x

[gloomy hound]

soo, will they conflict? or can i leave both ticked?

[ruby nest]

when i have two conditions in a transition, do they function as AND or as an OR?

[mellow hawk]

An interesting tutorial avi. lol

[wary burrow]

Why have both?

Yes that will probably break things

[pearl ingot]

is it possible to make a fully "kinamatic" phys bone that can be driven by a rotation constraint?

but otherwise not move with motion

i want a rotation constraint to drive a phys bone to get it's angle param

[sudden urchin]

Two condition in same transition is AND
Both have to be true.
But you can make multiple transitions to a state from the same state, those function as OR but have a priority order on what's checked first.

[gloomy hound]

in case i had to switch back to live instead of beta, didn't wanna lose bones in that event

[austere ridge]

cant change what the parameter is changed too I think

[rocky oak]

is there anyway i can get just the scripts phys

[pearl ingot]

if you have any tags to interact with others in a combat way, the standard is "Damage" with a capital D

(so all content is compatable)

[austere ridge]

It was more so trying to do it when it recieves a humanoid collider that it changes

It is a receiever

[pearl ingot]

Ah right. No you can't. you get 1 or a proximity

if you need different values, use different params. they're free and unlimited

since they don't go in sync file

[austere ridge]

I don't understand how to set this up

[sudden urchin]

You'd have to use drivers if you want to change another parameter instead of just that one

Otherwise, multiple contacts for each type of collider you want and the parameters to fire.

[austere ridge]

I don't know what a driver is. I am just trying to make it so when the sword trigger recieves a any of the above hitboxes it changes the parameter

[wary burrow]

Phys bones is now though

[sudden urchin]

It does change it.
It changes it to 1. \

[ebon moon]

how do you grab the phybone in unity?

[austere ridge]

The action does not happen in unity's play mode when I try moving the hitboxes togheter

[sudden urchin]

What hitboxes are you moving together.
Is your Sender set with any of those tags?

[austere ridge]

No sender, just a receiver

[sudden urchin]

Then it won't work.
Reciever only recieves from a Sender.

[austere ridge]

So the default triggers don't give out a torso tag

or any normal humanoid tags

[sudden urchin]

Don't know what you mean by normal.

[ruby nest]

does it have to be the same for the exit?

[sudden urchin]

You can exit based on whatever you want the reason to exit to be.
Whether it be a specific time (Exit Time) or specific conditions happening or not happening.

[austere ridge]

I am trying to make it so the sword receives action from any of the auto generated collision boxes

what is a parameter drive?

any good tutorials on this stuff, documentation is hard to process for me

[tardy barn]

parameter driver is a state behavior, so basically like a component but for the animations within a controller

parameter driver does as the name says, it drives a parameter to a certain value when the transition goes to the animation

[austere ridge]

so both my animations need a driver?

[meager breach]

anyone know how to make receivers attach to other's armatures

or hands?

[jolly crypt]

has anyone figured out how to do the hue slider thing that is in the dynamics hub?

[pine drum]

Hey I have an avtar that some one else made but I want to add phys bones to it can some one teach me how

[gritty valley]

google it

[austere ridge]

Do vrc avatars by default give off a sender

like for the collision boxes

[sturdy yarrow]

where can i download the new sdk

[mellow hawk]

https://vrchat.com/home/download

[sturdy yarrow]

is this the one with physical bones?

[mellow hawk]

Yes.

It went into the live version so no need to download it from the discord.

[plush arch]

A tip for PHYSBONES

To prevent the bone from pushing into a mesh, don't use colliders, they take up too much data and can lag.
Use angle limits. Reduce the angle until it matches whatever curve you need for the bone chain in particular.
Use the Yaw, Pan, and Roll to angle the bones to match the curve. Don't go past the middle line, or it'll become stiff.
You can also apply a "curve" to the bones. The higher the curve is, the further it'll torque the angle to that orientation.

(situational: if you have a set of strands being controlled by one physbone component) If you want a strand in particlar to be different than the others, you can use "ignore transforms" at the topmost bone of that chain, and it'll remove it from being affected. you can then copy the component and duplicate it, changing the settings so it's just that strand. Then modify it to your heart's content

[thin scroll]

is there anyway to ignore the defaut/standard colliders on a phys bone componenet?

[next basin]

Hi, I downloaded this but I dont have the physbones in the inspector :/

[sudden urchin]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_22ea3656-e488-4a24-bd47-8372c4c86d1f
Howdy, I made a world with a public Avatar Dynamics avatar.
There are four versions of it for the outfits.
All avatars are green and I'd be happy for people to use them and test them.

[mellow hawk]

It doesn't show when you click "add component" like this?

[next basin]

correct

[mellow hawk]

Check that you are using the avatar sdk and the unity package has these numbers; "2022.04.21.03.29"

[lusty ember]

So I've only seen a few people report this issue, but when I convert some avis to physbones it breaks the Viewpoint

As in, its no longer accurate to where the view point actually is

the "viewpoint" indicator in unity is actually just the rotation axis from where the moving the head will rotate from

but the real point from where you see the world from is higher than the view point indicator

[sudden urchin]

Don’t have your phys bone use a humanoid bone as the root bone (like the head)
The rotations of that object will no longer be tracked to your tracking points and cause issues in look

[lusty ember]

That's not possible with a LOT of avis when it comes to auto convert

[sudden urchin]

I know that has cause issues for people in the past. I do know some viewpoint issues is mostly a rig and t-pose issues.

If that really is it’s own isolated thing it’ll need to really be looked at

Make a new root bone for your hair to fall under. You can do it in Unity if you really want to

[lusty ember]

same avi, but this is what happens when you auto convert

[sudden urchin]

Try without scaling your whole avatar down

[lusty ember]

The view point indicator moves, and that changes of course where it roatates from, but the actual part you see the world from is identical

[sudden urchin]

Avatar scaling in scene is bad, scale from the import fbx options

[lusty ember]

How do I scale an AVI from import FBX if I haven't imported this avi in literal years

[sudden urchin]

The FBX file in Unity, select it and the inspector has a Scale option

A vast quantity of avatar issues are caused by people scaling their avatar’s root in scene
Most things aren’t happy unless you’re 1,1,1 scale

[lusty ember]

that's what happens if I scale back to 1

[sudden urchin]

Is the avatar in the ground or did the viewpoint move up, if so just make a duplicate and compensate it back down. Then try the conversion

[lusty ember]

I moved the view point up to show how far away it is from the moving axis

[sudden urchin]

You care that much about the anchor?
You’re also on Center origin

I haven’t had much issues if the anchor is off when moving viewpoint.

Perhaps the descriptor got bugged (as it usually does)

Could toss a fresh model in and add a descriptor and see what happens
Or duplicate, remove descriptor, add new
Etc

[lusty ember]

you think if I were to export this FBX, with the new bones to another fresh project it might fix it?

[sudden urchin]

It’s worth a try but could potentially be the same thing if you’re bringing the bug over

[compact mirage]

funky tool

~~https://imgur.com/a/sK96AM5~~

oh no embeds D:

[solar vigil]

cry

[compact mirage]

I do

[lusty ember]

Alright tried most of these things and it still big broke

Idk why the conversion fucked up the viewpoint

seems like a random thing for it to fuck

[sudden urchin]

Hm. Test in game of one compensated for in viewpoint and one broken but unchanged, if it’s fine it’s fine.
Otherwise it’ll be worth making a canny post to check

[sudden urchin]

Love your scripts man, sad it took me too many years to learn of them

[lusty ember]

so if I compensate pre-conversion, it just has the same problem, but at the place I converted it

[sudden urchin]

Why do you need to compensate before hand?

[lusty ember]

to see if it fixes it

[sudden urchin]

I see.
I hope you ISP is ready for the many uploads lol

[lusty ember]

Moving the view point still moves the ACTUAL view point, but the view point in unity represents where the headset will rotate from

the actual view point is way above it

[lusty ember]

I have gigabit is whatever

[stray abyss]

Is there a good way to make touching bones look "softer" with physbones? I get the general movement looking nicely but especially if its only a couple bones it looks more like pushing around a pretty stiff chain that just moves out of the way. While with dynamic bones i can softly touch bones more separate and free rather than a connected chain

[whole osprey]

What does phys bone collider do??

[sudden urchin]

It does what dynamic bone colliders did

[short narwhal]

except a lot more performant

[whole osprey]

I have no idea what that does

I wanna make it so I can’t grap it how do I do that??

[sudden urchin]

Alright, phys bones are jiggly bones, they make your hair move
Phys bone colliders are things that your phys bones can knock into if you assign it

Disable grabbing on your phys bones

[jolly crypt]

how do you force a dynamic interaction to be synced between others?

can you even do that?

[sudden urchin]

Use a local parameter to Drive a synced parameter

[jolly crypt]

okay, will that still allow others to activate a contact?

[sudden urchin]

Yeah, turn off grabbing and posing

[whole osprey]

Will I be able to grab it in vrc??

[sudden urchin]

Yeah, your local parameter under consideration is the float of the contact.
But you’ll drive a synced parameter to make it work

[sudden urchin]

If you disable it, no.

But you can make it so only you can grab it by only limiting your interactions in game

[jolly crypt]

i see

[whole osprey]

I want everyone to be able to grap it

[sudden urchin]

I keep feeling like you’re moving that goal post a lot

[halcyon gate]

you need to enable colliders for the bones as well

and have those checked

[jolly crypt]

wait, doesnt local only mean that another person can activate the contact and you wont see it if it doesnt register for you?

[sudden urchin]

Local means the person wearing the avatar will have that parameter be effected

[jolly crypt]

so lets say i have a button that spawns my sword

with local only, others can press the button and we will both see the sword right?

[sudden urchin]

You’ll be at the whims of the network sync
I personally do a dual toggle

If the float and network sync is nice, the effect goes off with the contact
If it isn’t nice, I also at the same time drive a networked sync bool to say the effect happens so there’s a second chance to catch up

This keeps people joining late caught up too

[sudden urchin]

Only you will see the sword with just that setup, but you will drive a synced parameter so everyone will see it

[jolly crypt]

mk

so

i tried this

it did not change anything

the problem persists

[sudden urchin]

What did you try?

[jolly crypt]

setting all the buttons to "local only" being on

when i press the button, people cant see the change in params either way

[sudden urchin]

Yeah, you aren’t using any Parameter Drivers then.

[jolly crypt]

what do you mean by that

[shrewd ice]

So uh anyone else having the issue that a phys bone isnt being shown in the editor despite the bone being present? Every other Physbone is shown and works

[sudden urchin]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/state-behaviors
Check the Avatar Parameter Driver section

Sadly it’s old documentation, parameter drivers are no longer local only but can be local or synced

[jolly crypt]

i put this on the base of the avatar w/ the descriptor?

and this will force sync all params i put into it?

actually, i dont even see this script in the sdk components

[sudden urchin]

I’m going to recommend playing with it and familiarizing yourself with Unity animators and the AV3 workflow.
It’s an Animator script that goes inside your animator on a state

[jolly crypt]

uhh

so like

im guessing you have to manually activate it

?

or can i get one to consistently refresh

[sudden urchin]

Here's my setup.
You can see the parameter driver on the side.

I only transition to Blade Grab when my contact fires off its parameter (my local one).
On Blade Grab I have a Driver that drives a Synced parameter and turns it true.

Now I have another layer that makes the effect happen when my Synced parameter is true.

I get to play with avatar dynamics,
everything stays network synced.

[jolly crypt]

ill see what i can do

this sets the parameters to what you specify when the animator enters the state right?

it doesnt constantly keep it in the state you specify?

[sudden urchin]

The driver is on enter yeah.

[jolly crypt]

okay i get it

thanks

[inland wasp]

ok I have a question because I wanna know if this is happening to anyone else is that fine

[jolly crypt]

actually

@sudden urchin while i have you, how does this work with blend trees? for example, a color hue shifter

[snow spire]

Anyone know how to set up a grabable object Letsay a Headphone.
I want to grab/pull it with my hands.

[sudden urchin]

Probably the same way as a state.
On enter it does its thing.
It might be a consistent thing that fires every frame inside the state, I don't remember entirely. I don't consider that much because I build in parameter resets everywhere.

[raw minnow]

Is there a minimum bone length for physbones?

[cursive hull]

don't ask to ask, just ask o:

[cursive hull]

effectively yes, very short bones will not simulate
this is a known bug, vote for/comment on it it here o: https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones

[inland wasp]

ok well the bones are working for me even though I am on the same version

[cursive hull]

assuming you mean they aren't, are you on standalone Quest?

[inland wasp]

wdym by standalone like with no pc assistance?

[cursive hull]

by standalone, I mean not linked to a PC

[inland wasp]

yea

[cursive hull]

You'll need to equip an avatar with physbones uploaded to it, as no existing Quest avatar has dynamic bones, so there's nothing to automatically convert
if the avatar you're using used to work in the beta but no longer does, that's likely because it's using too many components/transforms/etc, and thus it's physbones have been disabled
also, see https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/avatar-dynamics-live c:

[inland wasp]

ok thanks

[raw minnow]

That's what I figured :/

[short narwhal]

and they put in a hard cap so that nobody runs around with like 2000 physics Bones on Quest

[inland wasp]

it also happens to other peoples avatars when for them it works

[olive tulip]

Is there a way to make colliders other than the hands global? e.g feet, head etc?

[supple garden]

quick question: do contact receivers work if you toggle the gestures off?

[craggy warren]

I’m trying to use phys bones in place of a hinge joint to have something rotate vertically in my hand relative to my wrist but it keeps acting as if there’s a permanent weight against a single side instead of relative to my wrist

[lean dawn]

So for some reason my Ears wont work with the new dynamics, i was wondering if anyone could help me with that?

[stable crag]

hey there, Is it possible to make a bone that has a collision radius for grabbing and moving but not have it collide directly with other bones/colliders like the hands?

[lean dawn]

It looks like theres a few bones wont let move at all with the dynamic

[torn tendon]

where is the " physic bone Parameters " ??

[fringe iron]

tying to make the head contact a little wider but unity crashes every time on upload. Any idea why?

so the 'head' receivers are still effected by his muzzle

it uploads if the collision target isnt head

but id think, for head receivers to hit that, it needs to be head yeah?

[supple garden]

to answer my own question, yes the receivers work with disabled gestures

[fringe iron]

ey, answering mine too. Head contacts cant be parented to the head bone

[crimson pebble]

is there a way to test contact receivers in the editor before uploading? I have something that's supposed to activate on hand touch but I dont want to load into vr every time to test it.

[stable crag]

you can make an empty object in the hierarchy and assign your sender to it, then in play mode just move it to where it needs to touch

[crimson pebble]

I tried that, but it didnt seem to do anything.

it works in vr though, guess something messing it up.

[paper vale]

moving this to here since i just noticed they made an avatar dynamics channel

im still confused on something with physbones and i havent been able to figure it out 😭

basic summary,
any bones that are grouped into one empty gameobject cannot be grabbed simultaneously.
they can be posed, but if you grab it again and let go to reset the pose it will reset every bone contained in that group.
this means if i wanted to, for example, play with two ears at once, i cannot do that cause it prevents me from grabbing more than one bone at a time.

the only solution i have to this so far is making the direct bones i want to move have physbones, but it makes optimization for quest a huge pain and also adds a lot more components that shouldnt be needed 💀 i could make ~15 physbones components be contained in just 5

ill include a gif that sort of shows what i mean

if i cant have them all in one root bone without them doing this please tell me 🥲 i just barely figured out physbones and im getting issues already

[halcyon gate]

sounds like it could be an issue with gravity

[cedar maple]

is anyone else not able to record gravity? like in an animation i want to animate gravity increasing on an object but despite the animation having had worked in dynamic bones increasing the gravity, this new animation (set up the same way) isnt changing whatsoever

which is weird to me because in the avatar dynamics testing world there is that avatar with the fishing rod like object that you can adjust all the bone settings on in the menu

so i see no reason why this shouldnt work

[real zinc]

I tried something like this, the issue I have is that it doesn't trigger remotely the first the you activate the trigger. But it does for you, so the whole thing gets offset for you and everyone else. It's visible for you when its hidden for them and vise versa. I hope this is an actual bug, and not just me screwing up something (and I don't think I did). so to my knowledge at least this won't work until they fix that issue

[torn tendon]

I'm so confused on the new system, I'm trying to make hair dynamics and I just can't find a setting/setting combo to make the hair move more loosely

Anyone have any suggestions for what to mess with?

[tardy barn]

anyone might know why this isnt working? I have 3 other receivers setup on my avatar that work flawlessly

The parameter is not even being driven in the animator

[tardy barn]

I have this setup, reduce pull and momentum for a bit more flow

[torn tendon]

I'll mess with it, Thank you

[tardy barn]

gl

[real zinc]

someone beat me to it >_<
but here you go, this is for very long hair with gravity, not 100% sure how it looks without

[low vortex]

Quick phys question without having touched any of it yet. Can I shake peoples hands now or do people have to shake mine? (Grabbing im guessing)

[tardy barn]

its definitely possible, but difficult

[real zinc]

unless you add phsy bones to your hand/arm people cant grab and/or pose it

[tardy barn]

not as simple as tossing a physbone on your hand and arms

yeah its not recommended, avoid physbones on rig bones

[real zinc]

yeah definitely not recommended

[low vortex]

Why

[tardy barn]

give it a shot and see what will happen to your poor avatar

[low vortex]

Oke

[real zinc]

its vrc after all >_<

[tardy barn]

sometimes shit works, sometimes it breaks hard

[low vortex]

What if I make empty object in my hand and add phys

[tardy barn]

majority of the time it breaks hard

you will have to assign it to the transform either way, if you want people to shake your hand

[low vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-cells-unlock-your-brain-gif-14425366

[real zinc]

I think at a early point like this, you just have to play around and test out your ideas to see what works and what doesent ^^

[low vortex]

woosh

[tardy barn]

give it a shot who knows what might happen

[low vortex]

Thanks for thoughts tho
Ill play around

[bronze tree]

anyone that has settings for collider set up for T pose pandas base with phys bones now?

[strong cipher]

Anyone found a decent setting for physbones applied to well, boobs that aren't absolutely mcfricking crazy in the physics department?

[honest inlet]

quick question. i have this collider set to the leg. i changed the transform to leg it moves with leg. i set it to none it moves with leg. is there any reason to change it from none?

[upper raven]

i have the same question

[thin marten]

not at all you can keep it on none:
if you keep it on none the collider will follow the game object where you put the script
if you set the root to another transform (hand for example) it will strictly follow your hand whatever you do with your leg.
this is used to make you able to put the script on an empty object in the root of the avatar and make it still follow a bone so you can access the script easily without searching in the armature

@honest inlet

[honest inlet]

thankya.

[gilded elbow]

helloo- since the last vrchat update, my avatar hair are acting weirdly flopping around

before , they were static and that was for the best

[thin marten]

you have to change the setting of the physics bone of your avatar on unity. the automatic conversion work well but it's not perfect.
it is recommended to update your avatar to the new version of the sdk and fix everything on unity

@gilded elbow

[fringe iron]

can you set receivers and such as toggles? Ive tried but I cant seem to get them to turn on as a toggle. They work when left on in the hierarchy, but I cant seem to turn them on with an animation

[thin marten]

you can do a trick by using another parameter

[visual verge]

I would like to ask if anyone knows which step I am doing wrong on fx?
The acceptor goes from 0 to 1 after a collision, I think I'm not setting it wrong
but fx always stays the same,I have tried multiple setting(Many people have different settings LOL) and bool or float but nothing works🥲
Thanks a lot if anyone can point out my mistake🥺

[sudden urchin]

That’s why I do a double action version for two chances, one that works locally for me and the network synced parameter driving.
Works fine, I have no issues.

[thin marten]

try that

on the first clic it should play the animation and in the second clik it will disable it (note that it doesn't work really well with loop animation it work well with only toggles)

[thin marten]

i don't know it's the same for me... i alway test it in game to make sure

[fringe iron]

Oh thank you so much!! Ill try that out!

it works!! Thank you so much!

[tacit stirrup]

how come when editing the default colliders in the descriptor (hand, feet etc), it removes the collider on the unedited side

[bronze tree]

does anyone know what to do with this? it wont let me upload the updated phys bones avaatr

[scenic crown]

omg the physbones debugger is exposing people for having 'bits' wheeeze

Note: turn your physbones components off when those are.. off 😂 🤣

[thin marten]

np 😉

[thin marten]

ouch i know this issue but don't know really how to fix it

i "fixed" it by deleting the project and start over but i don't recommend you that, try to find a fix

[visual verge]

I will try to upload the check
But are my FX settings correct?

[thin marten]

yes

[bronze tree]

Yea as a avatar creator that’s going to be my worst nightmare

[thin marten]

it is

[thin marten]

to me it's a normal thing... i restarted so much time that i can create a speedrun category by itself and do a WR XD

[scenic crown]

[tacit stirrup]

@thin marten is it normal when changing the 'Automatic' option to descriptor collider for the hand, it lets me edit the left hand collider while the one on the right disappears?

[thin marten]

i don't know i never tried that, let me check

[fringe iron]

ah ive gotten this error before! My issue was accidentally having the fx animations set to a bool state, while having them as floats in the parameters menu

fixed it for me! But im not sure whats causing it there

[thin marten]

it doesn't disapear on my side so yeah it's not normal

[bronze tree]

Thankyou ! I’m going to look into that

[torn tendon]

You got it in the wrong place lol

It is in your Gesture Layer

Or you have masks in the FX Layer?

[tacit stirrup]

hmm... weird, it puts the pivot on one of the left hand collider while the other one is gone

[wet rune]

Hmm... having a strange thing that I've set up a menu action I want to activate using a contact point. But while it said contact point works for me locally, other people don't see the effect.

[visual verge]

I tried using gestures to test but it still doesn't work T-T
and there are only preset settings for mask

[torn tendon]

Are you changing a blendshape, then the gesture layer is most deff not the place to play. Furthermore, are you using that wierd AV3 emulator, or are you straight up only using default unity playtime. If it is the latter then try putting said anim in the animation controller at the root of the avi.

[visual verge]

I use blendshape, and I tried fx and the gesture layers you said didn't work
And I really don't understand T-T about your later explanation
My English is not very good
can you explain in more detail please? Thank you so much T T

[torn tendon]

So the way I handle is a little different

Hate gamebar, as I showed off the animator

Mine is a bit more advanced as the eyes follow the position of the finger

Also I use a proximity

I do not sync with params (that is a waste imo for this use case)

Try setting the nose variable to a Int for shits and giggles, (0 is false and 1 is true)

[visual verge]

AHH
I understand what you mean, I use UNITY test

[torn tendon]

Okay, then set the Animator with your FX layer, as you WILL not see changes unless that is so

Furthermore, make nose an Int

I use that over the other as it just seems more trustworthy imo (description says 0 and 1, and although the technical bool is a 0 and 1 in bitmath, it is Mecanim we are talking about here)

[visual verge]

I think I got these steps right
int bool fl,I have tried

[visual verge]

yes i test like this

[torn tendon]

Hmm, well if that is all right then I do not see what is wrong, this is a strange predicament

See here

This follows your rules

[visual verge]

I found the problem!!
I put the fx into the avatar after in unity playmode
I put the fx in before play mode and it worked

I feel like a BIG IDOIT

But I really appreciate your detailed explanation, you let me find my mistake
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
and you avatart set it very cute

[torn tendon]

It happens to all of us! No problems, we all have our silly moments.

and thanks for the complements!

[junior prairie]

I tried to set the bone on my snoot to immobile but in vrchat it is still moving when i move 🤔
Works fine in unity though

also tried setting stiffness to 1 to no avail, anyone else experienced that?

it's a two bones, one bone + leaf

also seems as if the hinge is ignored too

[torn tendon]

Cannot say it didn't work for me?

[inland stirrup]

So I've been trying to narrow down how physbones interact cross platform. Is there any place to see this? At the moment, my two avatars, one for quest and one for PC, have issues where people on each platform can grab/lock bones and see it on their end, but people on the opposite platform can't. For example, Quest User grabs, pulls my tail. However, on PC, this doesn't happen; I can see them essentially pantomiming the act of doing so, but my tail, on PC, does not move.

I just need to know if I'm wasting my time trying to chase this when, in reality, it's not synced at all.

I see nothing on it, but for things like "Is stretched" or "is grabbed", it'd be odd that it can't fire, identically, on both platforms when someone, for example, pulls a tail.

To note, my armatures are identical, running identical Physbone setups (Copied over from the PC one to Quest with Pumpkin tools) and confirmed working on each independently. However, in cross platform usage, syncing grabs still seems to be hit or miss. At one point, a quest user grabbing my tail actually pulled my umm... well, chest, across the map. Hilarious, but frustrating. That was before I made them identical, however.

[junior prairie]

Yes, in Unity it works perfect for me as well, but once in vrchat it does not anymore

[torn tendon]

Uploaded, issue is not persistent, my ear is locked

[junior prairie]

almost as if it is completely ignoring the settings

so strange

[torn tendon]

Make a issue on it

[junior prairie]

yeah i should, thanks for the help!

[torn tendon]

Might be a niche thing, I assume your rig is generic

might that have something to do with it

[junior prairie]

i'll check that out it is pretty generic, well besides that snoot bone which is not a mechanim thing of course

[torn tendon]

WEIRD, maybe the ids are tangled? I am not sure about cross syncing, but maybe it is not well sync'd?

[inland stirrup]

Or at all.

Or runs on a "If the 'grab' fires and 'bone' is in the 'zone' it is grabbed."

[bronze tree]

is there a way to have colliders and phys bones not visible in play mode? so i can see the actual mesh moving, normally i would turn off dynamic bones in gizmos but i dont see the phys bones there

[torn tendon]

Well I mean, the Avatars in the Dynamics room seem all good?

[inland stirrup]

See, that's what I'm saying.

However, I can't find anything about it.

And I've poured over the documentation multiple times.

I had this same issue with avatar paramaters, where if the two independent avatars have identical params, to a point, but differ after, they would still fire incorrectly cross platform.

That one was easy, share params, regardless if one used all of them or not.

They suggest running two different Assets for both platforms but man is it giving me a headache sometimes. lol

[torn tendon]

Me waiting for an exposed ID system

[junior prairie]

You got me an idea there, the bone was not parented to the head, now i parented it and it works, that's odd

[torn tendon]

seems it might have just been a one of those days thing lmao

[junior prairie]

x3

[inland stirrup]

Welp, time to just push "yay physics" to both and chase this stuff till another day. I simply cannot make them more identical, as I set them up on PC version, sorted all issues, then copied them over.

[torn tendon]

On god, you deserve a gold star for giving the Quest people a slice of the dynamics to begin with. Pat yourself on the back.

[inland stirrup]

My dude, Quest has it's own avatar.

I'm medium spec on both platforms.

I wish to pass away.

[inland stirrup]

I appreciate though. I just... wish answers to this stuff wasn't such a pain.

[torn tendon]

Don't we all (me having WW2 flashbacks to making that kissma model 9.8k tris, AND LOOK GOOD)

[inland stirrup]

I haven't hit the realm of retopology so for now it's 14800 or so with decimation and fixes by hand.

Maybe one day.

[torn tendon]

how do i get the new physbones stuff i wanna convert avatars into physbone

[inland stirrup]

Basically, setup your unity project with everything you need, including the latest version of the SDK, then put in your avatar package. From there, there is a tool you can use there to convert them.

[torn tendon]

#quest-optimization message

[inland stirrup]

I recommend still doing it by hand. The conversion isn't perfect.

[torn tendon]

oh thanks :D

[torn tendon]

Update SDK > do things > read sdk, and be cool

[inland stirrup]

Is it weird that I actually remember that as I was scrolling through. lol

[torn tendon]

i was about to breakdown

Lmao

[inland stirrup]

Especially how hard the Eye's were to keep.

the dream.

For now, I'm just trying to figure out cross platform bones. I've been waiting patiently to give Quest some physics.

Might settle for that, for now.

[paper kestrel]

Quick question if I were to add phys bones to a model is this channel correct to ask help?

[torn tendon]

The most perfect one

[paper kestrel]

Okay thanks c:

[bronze tree]

is there a way to have colliders and phys bones not visible in play mode? so i can see the actual mesh moving, normally i would turn off dynamic bones in gizmos but i dont see the phys bones there

[tacit stirrup]

click the gizmos at the top right

[bronze tree]

oooooooooh haha thanks !!!

[paper kestrel]

Is adding phys bones hard

[bronze tree]

the auto convertor worked fine for me ! maybe finding the right settings for longer meshes is more of a challenge

[paper kestrel]

Well I had a hard and difficult relationship with unity rn, I had to waste 6h to fix it, and rn it is fixed but I didn't had a chance to use it, so I am very very noob and new to all this

[torn tendon]

Mmm, Inert did not translate well for me

[bronze tree]

yea i think a lot are struggling, myself included

[junior prairie]

nothing is ever easy once physics is involved

[bronze tree]

i agree

[torn tendon]

true

[paper kestrel]

I didn't even had a chance to actually try unity yet

[torn tendon]

recalls Physics AP course

you got it easy ^^

[torn tendon]

don't

[bronze tree]

if you need help you can always shoot me a message ! im still trying to figure out phys bones but im familiar with most of unity (:

[torn tendon]

same here so if one of us are busy and you need help you can also dm me

Been using unity since 4.3

[bronze tree]

if someone did find good settings for long hair so it wont be so stiff with phys bones u would be a life safer for me

[torn tendon]

oooo i wish i started earlier

[torn tendon]

4.5, 4, 9, 0

[junior prairie]

No gravity?

I think depends on the hair 🤔

[torn tendon]

gravity is animated for me

I have a slider for how much I want applied

[tawdry bluff]

I encountered an issue with Sensors:
I have 2 On-Entry sensor on my avatar that are supposed to trigger an animation when entered at a certain speed. (In this case a sound effect)
This actually works perfectly fine ON MY END, but not for the others in the lobby.
So they can trigger it and I can trigger it, but only I get to hear the resulting effect

[bronze tree]

thankyouuu <333333

[torn tendon]

easy

Uhhh

[junior prairie]

From the docs it is an animation parameter so you add it to the anim controller and use it?
Did not do that yet but that's how i understand it

[torn tendon]

HERE
Lookie?

Sorry ping'd wrong vid

[junior prairie]

is that parameter being used on the node to the on state?

you have nodes between each state going from off to on and vice versa
there are constraints on them you can set that tells the node to pass from one state to the other

lemme show in a sec

[torn tendon]

Here

[tawdry bluff]

You'll just have to set up a simple animation that triggers when the set parameter is true

[wet rune]

Hmm, is anyone here familiar with Contacts yet? I'm having trouble with a contact not being set or unset for non-local users unless its pressed several times.

[junior prairie]

does this work in unity play mode? so enable and disable plays your animation

[torn tendon]

There is 2, just the UX is garbo

[tawdry bluff]

Same issue here, the networking appears to be faulty for contacts

[torn tendon]

Int because it don matter

0 and 1 are 0 and 1

0 == false and 1 == true

Mhm

[tawdry bluff]

So, what is actually not working for you pooch?

[torn tendon]

That doesn't effect anything

If the avatar animates, then you are good

[tawdry bluff]

cus, the setup looks correct

[torn tendon]

The way you animate effects zero, I am more worried on the logic

Is the layer weight 1?

I said, it is just 2

I have 2 trackpoints

The UX is garbo

I have a large bump for my backhair, so a sphere doesnt work for me

Yeah, you will track way too early

[steel thistle]

User Experience

[tawdry bluff]

ye, just move it down

[torn tendon]

No?

Restrict the colider ot hand only

[tawdry bluff]

you can select what affects it

just put it to hands

[torn tendon]

Make an empty gameobject with this

This mimmics the ones that VRChat has

[tawdry bluff]

All Hands are contact senders by default

I mean, are you moving sth into it to actually trigger the contact?

[torn tendon]

wait whats a good physbone value for puppy ears?

[wet rune]

This is what I have happening. VR me trying to poke an 'on' and 'off' button on the avatar. You can see when I press it, on the local avatar it turns the light on right away, but it doesn't turn on until several more pokes. Likewise when I use the menu to manually trigger it, I have to make several presses as well.

[torn tendon]

can I see your reciever config

[tawdry bluff]

Yea, I have a Contact as well that is only working properly on my end and not for other people

[wet rune]

Its not seemingly a problem with the 'boop' thing I did, that works but its only firing off an animation that then exits. This is trying to control a toggle.

[brave bear]

Hiya I run into this problem where the tongue of my avatars aren't working with the new Physbone due to the bones being too small?.... Will there be a fix in the future for this, I tried to resize them in Blender but it still doesnt work

[tawdry bluff]

Devs said that it is a low priority fix unfortunately

[torn tendon]

i would break down to that

[junior prairie]

maybe it is looking for an INT parameter

since it is setting it to 0 and 1

[brave bear]

Damn 😭 Literally no matter what I do, it just wont work

[junior prairie]

your headpat is a bool

[harsh copper]

Can we animate physbone settings with animations? I wanted to animate the gravity and immobile sliders and put them on a radial but it doenst seem to do anything in practice

[lofty walrus]

thought they all needed to be floats

[junior prairie]

your parameter is a checkbox