avatar-help

[low wing]

well ok...how do i do that?

cuz the eyes arent

the puils do

cuz they are 2 different textures

there for need to be 2 different mesh right?

i even have different uv maps

[arctic ginkgo]

no, you can combine them together in the shader

it's like having 2 layers in a drawing program

[low wing]

oh?

ok how?

i dont know this at all

but i wanna keep them having 2 different uv maps if possible?

actually i can fix thuis

[somber sequoia]

Depends on your shader of choice, but many of them allow use of up to 4 UV maps

[low wing]

well i am absolutely confused

cuz if i have the same mesh i cant have layers?

i dont understand

[somber sequoia]

what's a layer?

[low wing]

exactly

[low wing]

i dont comprehend this statement

[somber sequoia]

if your intent is to have separate texture images for the eyes, I'd consider doing this with decals in a shader which supports them.

can't say I've tried this at all before, I just use rotating mesh spheres.

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm saying that it's similar to using a drawing program that allows you to add layers, where one is drawn on top of the other. Some shaders, like Poiyomi, or Toon Standard have texture slots that allow you to combine textures in the same way

[somber sequoia]

(decals is one example in poi, the RGBA masking section is another)

[low wing]

....

how the hell

that makes no sense

cuz if i have only 1 uv map

[somber sequoia]

shaders are code which can layer textures on top of each other before producing the final result, it makes lots of sense 🙂

[low wing]

i have only 1 texture

[somber sequoia]

those things aren't directly related like that

[low wing]

to me it doesnt cuz i thought they were

[arctic ginkgo]

they can use the same UV map, but you also aren't limited to one UV map actually. You can add more UV maps in Blender.

[low wing]

i am trying but this happens

[viral epoch]

trying to add this hoodie on the this follower/imitation pet , but whenever i import the fbx to blender it reorders the bones which breaks the asset unity(pet wont move with avi or imitate it)

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what you are trying to show here

[arctic ginkgo]

You can preview how this looks in Blender with shader nodes. Just add two image texture nodes, and then use the Mix color node and set the factor as the alpha of the 2nd image (the pupils in this case)

[arctic ginkgo]

this is a weight painting issue, but also you don't need to have a second mesh. What I'm saying is that the eye mesh has 2 textures: The white part (sclera) and the pupil. The shader will draw the sclera first, then the pupil.

[low wing]

it moves the eyes when i dont want them too

[arctic ginkgo]

I think what you're trying to do is add a second mesh for the pupils that uses transparency to overlay the textures

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you mean re-orders, what should we be looking at here? Are these the same object?

[arctic ginkgo]

but you don't have to do that, you can just combine the textures in the shader on one mesh

[somber sequoia]

what does? how is this setup? what action did you just take?

[low wing]

i dont get how...cuz to me a mesh has 1 texture ...the one you put on it...if i wanted more i have to add more mesh or completely redraw

just rotate on the bone

and they are both red on the weight paint

the eye and the 2nd eye are red

[arctic ginkgo]

Meshes don't have textures, meshes have materials. The materials are settings for a shader, and the shader can basically do whatever you want. If your shader takes two textures and blends them together, then your mesh can have two textures.

[young blade]

when i make eyes i jst make shapekeys and eventually combine them with the head its just easier

[young blade]

its uv based

[somber sequoia]

weight paint color is not really meaningful since paint is relative

[young blade]

you can just seperate the uvs or move them to a blank spot on ur textures

[low wing]

yall are speaking magic to me

x.x

like some forbidden knowlegde

XD

and i am from the understandingf its called a texture, and the materials are the set the textures apply to

[viral epoch]

its the same object, i was try to show how the bones order and how they are parented changes when u import the bear into blender, abd since it changes when i export it back to unity the asset stops working

[young blade]

okay so think of uvs as a projector. the texture as the image the projector is projecting. now you can move the uvs around on the image and make it project something else

lemme show you

so this is my texture and the uvs (projector) is at the top right

[somber sequoia]

I've never seen blender "re-order" an armature, but I notice in your unity pic the bones have suffixes like '2' on them

[young blade]

as you can see my eyes match the color on the image

now if i move my eyes here

[viral epoch]

yes thats just how the creator has it set up for some reason, https://kimriovr.booth.pm/items/6268773

[young blade]

it projects this image

you can map any image on any part any where on a texture

including merging two objects into 1

and projecting different aspects of the map on your plane

[low wing]

yes i get that but how do i make 2 on 1 uv map

[young blade]

2 what on 1 uv map ?

two textures?

[low wing]

yes

cuz i wanted justt the pupil to move

and i only have 1 uv map for the eyes

i get the technical in unity

[young blade]

combine both the texture images, making them into 1 png file

[viral epoch]

blender "fix" it bye making the bones line up with vrc knowlegde but that isnt compatible with the orignal asset

[young blade]

and then moving the uvs to the respective areas

[low wing]

yeah i didnt want that

i wanted them seperate

[young blade]

i mean with combine just put them side by side

[low wing]

cuz what if i wanted a different pupil

[young blade]

oh you mean a material swap? like you mean that you can switch between them in game?

[low wing]

yes

but

not with the actual eye

[arctic ginkgo]

alright, so meshes are made of vertices, right? these vertices store a bunch of data that tells the computer how to draw (render) the model. The program that actually draws the model is called the shader. You give the shader information, and then it runs code to draw the model.

Vertex information can be things like:

• Position
• Normal (Direction it's facing)
• UV coordinates
• Vertex colors
• Vertex groups (used for weight painting)
  etc

What's most important to this discussion though is the UV coordinates. You can have multiple coordinates on the same vertex if you want, each set is called a UV map. By default there's just one, but Blender allows you to create multiple and give all of those to the shader.

The shader can also take more inputs, like textures for example, and mix all this information together. The UVs tell the shader where each vertex goes on the texture, but the shader can do things like using multiple textures, multiple UV maps, change the UV coordinates, really anything you can think of. It's just using inputs, and then manipulating them with math to get a result image.

You don't need to write a custom shader for this behavior, since there are ones that already exist in Unity for you to use, but if you want to write a custom shader for Blender, it uses a very intuitive node system.

[young blade]

i dont think you can switch the uvs position live in game

best you can do is two things

either make two textures so you can switch between them

or copy the eyes and switch between those

[arctic ginkgo]

well you can modify it with a custom shader, but that's not really needed here, the texture offset property on the shaders available does everything needed for this situation.

[low wing]

yes i need to have two seperate textures... 1 is gonna be all white all the time, the other is gonna be a transparent overlay where it can move accourding to where you look?

[young blade]

yeah thats fair

[arctic ginkgo]

like for example you could use multiple UV maps and then lerp between them

[low wing]

i am just gonna not do eye tracking DX this is some intense forbidden knowledge

but i will change the pupils

like a texture swap

[young blade]

yeah that works too

[low wing]

@x@

[arctic ginkgo]

if you feel comfortable with VCing and streaming your screen I can try to walk you through the setup for it

I can also try to write some step-by step instructions with screenshots here

[low wing]

ok i would love that

[viral epoch]

help pls

[pine valley]

blender doesn't care if the first bone isn't called "Hips"

i'm guessing you have some other tool that's trying to redo the armature

just import the FBX to blender normally (rather than using the CATS operator)

[somber sequoia]

yeah I'm not sure what this means

[balmy barn]

that animator not going to do anything

[somber sequoia]

I'm guessing that the model prefab had the bones renamed in Unity so they don't conflict with the humanoid bones on the main avatar

[viral epoch]

omg probably so is there a way to add on the jacket without breaking the asset

[somber sequoia]

I don't know how it's setup

I mean, the answer is yes, there is a way to do it 🙂

[viral epoch]

screenshots?

[somber sequoia]

Personally I'm going AFK in a few minutes, and I'm not sure it'd be easy to figure out without actually having the asset itself. But "can it be done?" - yes, definitely.

[viral epoch]

could u 👉 👈

[somber sequoia]

that sounds like commissioned work

[viral epoch]

do u take commissions

[lilac musk]

Careful about sending people money online, scammers are everywhere. Though Kazin is a well known person, they'd likely not do such a thing. Just FYI is all

[somber sequoia]

sometimes, but I'm not cheap 'cause this sounds like a pain in the arse 🙂

[viral epoch]

so like $5 bucks and a pack of gum?

😃

[chilly solar]

im watching a tutorial on custom gestures and they want me to locate the vrcsdk folder in my assets but i dont have that, why?

[balmy barn]

its in packages now

[chilly solar]

where do i find it

[balmy barn]

Packages\com.vrchat.avatars\Samples\AV3 Demo Assets\Animation\Controllers

just search something like , vrc_AvatarV3ActionLayer , and select packages not asset

[small valve]

Why is my avatar medium performance in the VRC-Upload Tool, but Poor in the uploaded state?

[chilly solar]

ahh life saver, thank you

[balmy barn]

you using vrcfury/other things that add during build ? , sdk wont have a clue about them

[viral epoch]

i found d way

[chilly solar]

adjusted some bones in blender and now in unity one of them seems like its pushed into the other, you can see here it looks funky and i pull the arm bone away and its fine. why is this?

[pine valley]

reset your pose

Pose > Reset at the bottom of the bone list

[chilly solar]

life saverrrr thank youuuu

[vagrant dock]

is this normal or should i ignore it?

[craggy elm]

i don't know if the crotch is supposed to be clipping through the pants like that

[gaunt knoll]

You should delete that no nsfw stuff in the channel

[waxen jungle]

I wanna mess with my audiolink settings in play mode but my shader keeps getting auto locked and breaks when I unlock it

[gritty marsh]

How do I fix the Z- axis?
I had tried both of these a while ago and ended up messing up my model somehow
This might be an easy ajustment I am just nervous to mess up hah.

this is what it looks like in the guide I am following btw

[somber sequoia]

visit the VRC Traders discord to commission people, you'll just find scammers here.

[midnight anvil]

What does this mean?
Avi image is greyed out and there is an X in the corner

[analog grove]

Got it, thank you 🙂

[desert pendant]

idk if this is the right channel but does anyone know the name of this hair model?

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214

[midnight anvil]

I think I fixed it?

[ashen crane]

so like i have an animation that uses an audio and when i play another animation on top of it, the audio of the first animation replays.. i never had that issue and idk why is that happening someone pls help

[midnight anvil]

Ok it’s shooting pink on quest

What shader do I use for the particles on quest?

[analog grove]

Oh you weren’t kidding I’m getting like a million friend requests lol

[midnight anvil]

Wait wrong server-

[somber sequoia]

nope!

[somber sequoia]

pro tip - go delete your original message

[analog grove]

Ok 🙂

[somber sequoia]

Also don't fall for that ^

[midnight anvil]

I hate unity </3

How do I fix my nonexistent issue?

[somber sequoia]

I believe that's a world shader, you can't use it on avatars.

[half grove]

Im trying to upload a quest version of an avatar and I get these errors when I try to upload it

[chilly solar]

so uhhh i rotated my model and everything 180 in blender and now in unity in play mode it uhhh looks a little??? like?? something really awesome and totally great??? why did this happen lmfaooo

also when i did it, the scale of all my colliders were much bigger

[radiant belfry]

Hey, can anyone help me make an Avatar? I am new to the server, yes, but I am trying to get someone to make my Rec Room Avatar into VRChat. Here is some reference photos. If anyone can help, redirect me, help, or DM me.

[half grove]

Maybe check the dimensions of your skeleton in blender

[chilly solar]

youre able to export your avatar now and soon they are making it so you can export in a-pose which will make everything easier. id ask in the rec room creator hub discord instead as well. theres alot of people doing rec room to vrchat stuff rn

[chilly solar]

what do you mean? :o

[radiant belfry]

Could u help direct me-

[chilly solar]

yeah can i dm you?

[radiant belfry]

Yes ofc

😄

Tysm

[half grove]

well its just a guess but maybe the scaling on the skeleton is set to something other than 1.0 in blender?

[chilly solar]

no its 1 :<

[half grove]

oh okay

hmm

did you apply all transformations?

[chilly solar]

yes yes

like it was totally fine, i just rotated it 180 and it did all that

[half grove]

man that is weird. what about reconfiguring your skeleton in unity

that usually fixes my skeletons

[chilly solar]

oh i see, i reset it and then forced t pose again and it fixed it, thank you so much!!!

[half grove]

yay!

the reexporting will get ya

[midnight anvil]

I think I got everything working :D

[chilly portal]

I have a question about blendshapes

I bought Manuka base, which has blendshapes out of the box
I also bought these legwarmers which don't, so to use them I need to use Manuka's ones

However Manuka's blendshapes control both legs at once, what would be the best way to only have a right leg warmer

Is there a way to edit her blendshapes and only squish her right leg into a noodle or something?

[somber sequoia]

yep, in Blender or other modeling software

[night ember]

Could also use the shrinkwrap modifier and apply the blendshape adjustment to the warmer

[chilly portal]

Okie I'm installing Blender off steam

I'm going to make a back up off the project in Creator Companion first though XD I'm going to muck it up

[night ember]

you only need to make a back up of the fbx

[somber sequoia]

I like the way you think

[night ember]

and the scene technically?

[chilly portal]

Okay wait I'm close, I have the FBX in Blender, and I can see the Shape Keys, how would I copy and paste Shrink_Knee and only make it do the right leg

[night ember]

create new blendshape select only the leg vertices you want it to do it in edit mode

blend from shape while having the new blendshape selected

and have it blend from the shrink knee

[open spindle]

Can someone tell me why this is happening It's a radial and the red area works when swapped but the bun is stuck like that regardless of it changing in the actual animation

[night ember]

you mean the color or?

[open spindle]

Its a mat swap but the bun wont change like the rest of the hair

[night ember]

is it poiyomi?
is the color from a mat swap or you animation the color in the material?

[open spindle]

Poiyomi and its a matswap

[night ember]

so you are picking the color via swapping to a differently colored material or?

[open spindle]

This is what its doing

[night ember]

why are you changing the color through multiple materials instead of just doing it in 1 singular material

[open spindle]

Because i can????

Idk its what im used to

[night ember]

thats very not optimised

but is the bun also actually being animated

[orchid blade]

How can I change the scale of different parts of an avatar (the mesh) withoutbreaking/effecting the rig or going back to the original transforms after posing or going back to object mode? I want to change the sizing of legs or head for example

[night ember]

but what about using something like av3 emulator or gesture manager

[open spindle]

It breaks as well

[night ember]

2 things

do you have another animation messing with it

[open spindle]

No

[night ember]

what does the layer look like

[open spindle]

Its a blend tree

[night ember]

right but screenshot

[open spindle]

I used a toggle creator

[night ember]

toggle creator?

[night ember]

that doesnt show me anything

[open spindle]

https://shatteredfur.gumroad.com/l/vrctoggle

[open spindle]

What do you want a ss of?

[night ember]

the inspector of the blendtree

if it works in the animation preview but not the actual animator then Im assuming it would actually be animated by something else

[night ember]

since the only reason Id see that happening is another animation overriding the swap

[open spindle]

This?

I don't have anything else affecting it

[night ember]

are you 100% sure

[open spindle]

Yes

[night ember]

cause the animator doesnt change only specific parts of an animation

what is all of the layers in the controller

I see a bunch

[night ember]

what if you were to just move the hair color layer to the bottom

[open spindle]

That worked

[night ember]

so you did have another animation changing it

[open spindle]

I don't understand how

Thats like 50 different key frames

[night ember]

it doesnt matter

if an animation layer lower than that one animates the same thing it overwrites it

[open spindle]

No i mean i don't understand how i fucked up

Lol

[chilly portal]

Oh I didn't realise I can post photos in here @night ember Thanks
I just ended up recreating one blendshape slowly via reference images

Okie it didn't export properly nvm I'll do it another time

[somber sequoia]

different scaling

[chilly portal]

I just quit blender without saving, I'll do it another time I suck

[empty parcel]

Meow

[fluid wagon]

How do i stop these hideous lines from appearing-😭

[zenith spade]

Would you say my model is mid or low poly?

[somber sequoia]

can't tell from there

[fluid wagon]

Mid probably? but depending on someones standards it could be Low

[zenith spade]

Ah. Ok I’m trying to go low poly through decimation.

[somber sequoia]

how many polys does it have?

[zenith spade]

I’ll have to check

Stats.

[somber sequoia]

not bad

[zenith spade]

He was high poly I tried to decimate it to low. But I’d assume I’d still need to retopo?

[somber sequoia]

it could be excellent if you want it to be

you do a retopo if it doesn't bend and deform how you want it to

[zenith spade]

Ok. So he might be ok with out it? I’ll do test and see.

First try at low for this character.

So current was my second try.

[zenith spade]

I’ve heard some people use quad remesher instead of manual retopology. Is that valid or considered lazy?

[somber sequoia]

why do things manually if a tool does the job

[ornate stump]

Work smarter, not harder. If the result is acceptable then it's good.

[obtuse trail]

I've used Quad Remesher. Its a great tool but it doesnt do everything, yet.

Also, you need to know what you're looking for to decide if something has the proper topology. Things like joints, lips and eyelids can be easily messed up or completely ignored by an auto-remesher.

Also, what was the original triangle count? Do you have a target? For PC, 70k is ceiling for Good Rank to Very Poor. If you are making this for Quest, up to 15k is Medium Rank and up to 20k is Poor.

[fast fern]

Im having an issue with an avatar that im making were ,while weight painting, the weight is mirroring on the mesh and not the bone. Its working perfectly normal on every other bone but for this specific bone it is not mirroring to the other, only the mesh.

[glass geyser]

Not sure when it broke but i have a furry avatar I used to use and worked great till around December 2025 and started getting people saying my quest version looks broke with the blush showing and eyes closed, like some expressions are activated when its not like that on pc, its not like that when im using it on quest version though, and it worked fine before

So, is there something I need to change on it or do I just upload it again with an updated version of the sdk

[obtuse trail]

Are you using modifiers like Mirror with Armature? If so, the stack order is important. Mirror should be at the top of the stack.

[fast fern]

heres a video that shows the issue better, and yeah my mirror modifier is at the top

[proper moss]

I have a model with an oversized shirt so to avoid clipping with the legs I set up two bones at the front which control that part of the shirt. I set up rotation constraints in unity and it looks all fine until the leg rotates back... Is there a way I can have that shirt bone rotate only forward without using physbones?

[proper moss]

have you checked the name of the right ear bone? it should be same to the left side but with an R at the end

[fast fern]

I have yes, and from what im aware the names are fine. the names are shown on the video.

[proper moss]

sorry you only showed the left side. have you checked the vertex groups of the mesh? maybe its missing that bone

[fast fern]

Ohh i miss understood, and yes it was missing the right ear vertex group thank you.

[proper moss]

np!

[obtuse trail]

Your bone is incorrectly named. The L and R should be at the start or the end of the bone's name. This likely happened because you extruded the bone after you named it.

This messes up the mirroring functions in Blender

[obtuse trail]

Sadly, vrc constraints dont have that kind of limit. So yea, physbones + colliders...

[proper moss]

aw that sucks.... colliders dont work on quest right?

[obtuse trail]

they do!

[proper moss]

👀

thats awesome

thank you!

[obtuse trail]

they are very limited, but they work if you figure them out 😁

[fervent spear]

hey guys, blender sometimes does this weird thing where a random vertice will move, but it affects every single blendshape except basis? anyone know why this happens? i did not intentionally make it do this

[alpine ingot]

Thats all just with physbones and colliders? When i use any Physbones on my skirt the bottom part of the skirt goes crazy and bounces around

[obtuse trail]

There are several settings happening here.

• Limiting the sideways motion of the physbones (they are set to Hinge in the video)
• Fixing up the bone rolls so the skirt spreads out when rotated on the local X axis
• Having the skirt rigged and modeled at a 45 deg angle and letting gravity pull it down.

[zenith spade]

I use steam deck but would like to use full body tracking with VR and also use this for vtubing. It would have static jaw and static eyes though as most communication will be through body language. Thank you for letting me know the correct numbers.

But I’d still talk so it’s like a fursuit.

[alpine ingot]

So what you did in the video could also be done with the skirt i have here? Atleast this looks like 45 angle

Though i'm not sure what a bone roll is. Gonna have to look that up

[balmy barn]

notice all the skirt bones point towards mesh , much easier for physbone to avoid going into a mesh , angle limits can be used now , can do skirts with zero colliders tho

[obtuse trail]

Yup, that would totally work! Feel free to DM if you need help

[alpine ingot]

I had already asked here regarding the skirt before. Even with angle limits it went total haywire.

This here is what i tried before switching to rotation constraints

[teal laurel]

how many tries does that skirt have, i am scared to ask

[alpine ingot]

Wrong message link, wait a sec

[balmy barn]

thats an exsample my skirts only need 2 - 4 bones

very old av probably 150k tri

[alpine ingot]

For some reason i cant find the video, but the skirt just jumped around even with the angles

[alpine ingot]

Might take up on that offer then. I'm still currently in the Blender phase, so i can check if the bones are even working for that

[obtuse trail]

This was an experiment and it uses 16 bones in total.

Basically one bone for the direction each leg might rotate to.

[alpine ingot]

Finally found it.

#avatar-help message

This here was happening with angle limits

Even when i did it extremely tight like 5°

[errant jacinth]

How do I fix

It’s causing clipping when I use fit

*fbt

[balmy barn]

physbone can be stopped with angle limits , also so not a quest avatar , way over limit to some of those will be disabled

[alpine ingot]

24 meshes, what even is in that avi

[errant jacinth]

Very tuff furry model

[zenith spade]

Is it ok to use auto atlas UVs on avatars if they’re low poly?

[indigo compass]

Minimum stretch with some margins in Blender is pretty good.
All you really need to worry about is the margins really, not enough margins and the colors will bleed between UV Islands because of mipmaps, only at slightly out of talking distance, but it will look broken.

[indigo compass]

I think I completely blanked on the atlas portion.

Low poly doesn't matter when it comes to atlasing, what matters is the texture resolution.
If you don't have 4 textures to atlas together then it will be a bit of a waste, if your texture is like 16x16 then that doesn't matter, but if it is 2k or 4k then I would not atlas automatically unless I had filled more than half of the atlas with actual texture.

Since you want textures to be powers of 2, a 2 by 2 texture requires you to have 4 textures, 2 textures would leave half the atlas blank.

[zenith spade]

Is it ok for commissions or just personal projects? Like if you’re going to hand paint it. I’ve made personal projects with this approach and it came out well for what I was wanting. I get mixed results asking on Google.

[indigo compass]

It is less flexible, but if you are filling up most of the atlas with textures then it isn't that different from just having repacked the UVs.

Extra materials are expensive, because draw calls are expensive

[zenith spade]

Final result. Test in mixamo.

[chilly portal]

How do I prevent getting banned again :( I uploaded a private avatar with what I bought off booth and I got a 24 hour ban

[misty ridge]

How do friend only toggles work?

[somber sequoia]

don't do whatever was the cause of the ban.

[chilly portal]

I bought SFW versions of both avatars and didn’t make any modifications

Didn’t go into any public instance with either of them

[somber sequoia]

obviously we don't know any details so can't really help with what the cause was.

[strong summit]

So, ive a toggle for this pistole, how do i change a blendshape(in this case from 1 to 0) when i toggle on

This is the layer for toggle the pistol

[somber sequoia]

Simply have an animation run when whatever toggle conditions are met which changes the blendshape

you could edit the existing animation clip to add that extra action

[strong summit]

alr.... this is the theory, now i gotta figure out how to do it.....

[fervent oxide]

Hello, I need help with correctly installing VCC and Unity

Last time I did, I messed smth up and made my computer unusable for 20 minutes

[ashen crane]

so like i have an animation that uses an audio and when i play another animation on top of it, the audio of the first animation replays.. i never had that issue and idk why is that happening someone pls help

[somber sequoia]

instructions are here: https://creators.vrchat.com/sdk/

[fervent oxide]

Thx

[somber sequoia]

if you get stuck with VCC, #creator-companion exists, otherwise here works fine.

[fervent oxide]

alr

[half belfry]

how do I make sitting work without vrchat assuming my arms are short af and without my avatar crouching constantly. Quest 3s no steamlink

[vapid slate]

how do i fix this [the ears and tail] o-o ive been at it for 2 hours T-T

[pine valley]

seems like they just have very weak forces (and a high stretch limit)

[cosmic lynx]

i have a question regarding liltoon shader presets. i bought this shader preset off of booth, what do i do if i clicked it already and its on my avatar but i wanna get rid of it again? (assuming i saved and quit before so ctrl + z isnt an option anymore)

[vapid swan]

anyone got any matcaps that would be good for anime style avatars

[chilly portal]

I just checked the email and it says User Profile, so I’m guessing it’s not the avatar

Still sucks somebody must have reported my Bio and got me banned for 24 hours ;/ Guess I’m not writing anything in my bio anymore

Do you think I can appeal it? I just spent $120 on avatars and now I can’t use the SDK

[somber sequoia]

I think it's not avatar-creation related so maybe #1138891887374237706 may be better.

[vapid slate]

Would be awesome to have some help with this :/

[somber sequoia]

did you say exactly what about it needs fixing?

[vapid slate]

Yrah

[zealous vector]

Yo is there a way to dettect how fast an object is moving? On an avatar

[somber sequoia]

I must have missed it.

[vapid slate]

Look at the video- the ears and tail aren't connected even tho they are on the correct armature

I added physbones to them and now they are like that

[somber sequoia]

ahh, yeah I looked, but wasn't sure what about it you thought was wrong.

[vapid slate]

Idk how to fix it so that it's connected

[somber sequoia]

looks like weight painting issues, the mesh is painted to child bones so moves entirely with the child bone, when I'm guessing you want some of it to stay fixed in place?
You might be able to use curves in the various physbone parameters to reduce how much the root bone moves, but I'd probably go inspect the weight paint first.

[vapid slate]

How do I do that? I bought the asset and dragged and dropped it onto the avi

[somber sequoia]

how do you do which?

[vapid slate]

Check the weight paint

[somber sequoia]

Blender or similar

[vapid slate]

Idk blender T-T

[ebon knoll]

question, the entry state is not enough to spawn on that specific state?
I have a bool toggle for shoes, entry state is ON, OFF if set to false
in game my entry state is with the shoes off

do i need to check the bool in the parameter menu attached to the descriptor? i thought it's okay to leave all unchecked or at 0 in the parameters menu

[somber sequoia]

The default field is in there so you can use it, so feel free to set defaults 🙂

[ebon knoll]

okay thanks, for some reason i don't remember messing with it and just doing everything via entry state but guess not

[green geyser]

in blender, how can i cleanly merge this head and body without scaling either of them up or down(as well as eliminate clipping)?

[somber sequoia]

You'd have to either create some new faces between or reshape the head or something. Generically "remodel it"

[green geyser]

Okay, thank you.

[somber sequoia]

yeah nothing really specific, just rework it until it looks how you want it to

[proven quail]

Add the physbone component lower on the strand of bones

[vapid slate]

i got it working, thanks :3

[near charm]

How do I define the parameter?

[proven quail]

Add it to the parameter list

[near charm]

I'm gonna sound really stupid asking this but how do I do that?

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/expression-menu-and-controls/

#2 there

[grand summit]

how do i make a static noise texture like on this avatars sheisty https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_1b4371df-ed69-4a89-887e-490cdc810e30

[raw plover]

any way to make my imposter not have a hole in the stomach?

[smoky kernel]

so if my rig has 2 jaws how do i set it in unity

2 jaws as in one left and one right

[somber sequoia]

you could create a center bone and use rotation constraints for the others

[smoky kernel]

im not touching blender ever again, my avatar's going to be talking with the left jaw

and that's that

[olive basin]

Hello! Does anyone have an idea of what could be causing my avatar's arms to move weirdly? I checked her animations on unity and everything looked normal. I've never had this issue with an avatar before so I'm not sure where to begin looking outside of that.

[smoky kernel]

so, when i open a project it just sends me to unity, not the project, just the unity hub

[somber sequoia]

what about this is "weirdly"?

[olive basin]

Her arms aren't supposed to be moving at all when standing still.

[somber sequoia]

VRChat has some idle animation stuff that you're probably seeing. You could replace the base locomotion controller if you don't like that.

IMO it looks kinda natural

[olive basin]

Ok, I was just confused because the avatar already has a locomotion controller that came with her and when I play the animations in unity her arms don't move at all.

[austere dome]

I'd like to bump this as it is still something I haven't solved.

[somber sequoia]

in one case, that's the only animation playing.
in the other, all of the IK stuff is playing and then your animation on top

[austere dome]

I'm assuming the foot IK is still enabled for whatever reasn. Though, I'm not sure how to kill it.

[somber sequoia]

oh, is this in the base layer?

[austere dome]

It is, yes. I take it this is the issue?

I assumed this was the best place to do locomotion animations.

[somber sequoia]

not saying it is, just making sure I know what's going on here

[austere dome]

In tests, there is zero variation to when I disable all other layers but base.

So it wouldn't be overlapping animations.

And in Edit Mode, it previews fine, therefore it's related to something the Runtime VRC animation system does.

[slate jackal]

does anyone make vrchat avatars, and has used pcss before? or can understand unity really well
like knows where everything is and understands errors

[deep iron]

I have a model with rigs, was wondering how to add a toggle that just makes a png appear next to the head, the rig is also kinda weird since the avatar is genuinely a cat, dm me if you can help

[desert pendant]

does anyone know the name of this hair model? ive been looking for awhile now and i cant seem to find it.

[somber sequoia]

again, #1138520828556890214 is the place to ask that.

[junior crag]

how would i remove the background of this using liltoon shaders? (the original image was transparent and it gave it a black background)

[upper thunder]

Does anyone know what to do when this happens?

[somber sequoia]

Yes, I recommend taking a look at the console for more details.

[upper thunder]

I have, but im still very confused :,D..

[somber sequoia]

Feel free to post an error or something (see the first pin in here for help on how to) - there's nothing more we can tell you with just that message.

[upper thunder]

It says im trying to save a Prefab with a missing script, is that anything?

[somber sequoia]

Yes, you should install whatever package you didn't install

check the creator's docs for clues as to what it is

[tacit shoal]

im making this avatar and im wondering if i should make this chain full of trinkets a full skeleton tracing the chains with a phys bone ( end is anchored ), or if i should just make it one bone with squash and stretch

[somber sequoia]

you can't effectively anchor the end of a physbone chain, so the second one is probably ideal.
Also - that looks like a lot of polys.

[tacit shoal]

its actually only 80k in total

we love normal maps

[somber sequoia]

ah, so Very Poor

still not bad at all

chains are usually pretty ridiculous

[tacit shoal]

"only" 80k, because the unoptimized mesh was 2.7 mil

[somber sequoia]

haha, that's more like what I'd have guesed

[upper thunder]

alr thanks i figured it out, i needed fury

[tacit shoal]

not possible with IKs? i do have the unity plugin with the whitelisted scripts

[somber sequoia]

do you mean Final IK?

[tacit shoal]

yeah

[somber sequoia]

not that I'm aware of

[tacit shoal]

hm, i may go with B anyways

tryna keep it optimized, yknow? even if the poly count alone makes it 'very poor'

i blame the feathers

[desert pendant]

o mb

[high wedge]

ive never uploaded an avatar into unity, do i need to upload it into the xr folder or what do i need to do?

i have a unity package file for it

[somber sequoia]

ignore the XR folder entirely

[high wedge]

okay, ty

[hot parrot]

Someone said on a quest 3 and quest 3s u have fbt but I don't know where to find or if it is true

[somber sequoia]

not really. But you can get basic chest and elbow tracking from a 3 if you use Virtual Desktop.
and#full-body-tracking is the place for this

[ember jewel]

sigh i got a bunch of FBX models off of the Gumroad store. Just clothes and stuff. My issue is right now none of them ive imported so far have had any blendshapes. Ive checked the import blendshapes option but that doesnt seem to work. I also went it to blender and got applied the un applied modifiers. Dont really know what to do next. Any ideas?

[teal laurel]

Does the store page mention any blendshapes?

And do the blendshapes show in blender?

[ember jewel]

the shape keys?

[teal laurel]

I think thats what they are called.
You have the vertex groups and under that in the ui they should be

[ember jewel]

No they dont T^T

[teal laurel]

You select the meah and then they should show. Or go in edit and see if there are any

[teal laurel]

Is the list empty? 💀

[ember jewel]

sigh unfortunately

[teal laurel]

Rip

[ember jewel]

time to learn how to do shape keys ig

im havin fun

[teal laurel]

Uhhh basically, if you want to hide stuff, you usually make it small and move it into the avatar

Just know you can't add or delete vertices when doing blendshapes

You can only move them

[somber sequoia]

ideally when you move it into the avatar, center it around the bone it's weight painted to

[teal laurel]

I didn't do that once and they stuck out of my avi lol

[ember jewel]

Im gonna be honest i started doing this just today...

[teal laurel]

a

Welp

What blendshape do you need for it?

[ember jewel]

Wdym?

[teal laurel]

Well, some assets dont need blendshapes

If you hold a flashlight on your avi, it is probably a static mesh.
No bones, no blendshapes

If it is a tshirt, it usually has blendshapes, as you might have body thickness sliders, female sliders with upper chest changes etc

If it does start clipping and what not, you will have to do your own blendshapes for your avi sadly

[ember jewel]

Im doing stuff like toggleable dog ears

Ok ill figure out the blendshapes later

does anyone have any sites that actually are known for including blendshapes with their models lol

[teal laurel]

Ah, shouldn't be too difficult to do.
If you merge it with your avi (which is good in performance and not having too many meshes), just move them inside your body then

https://youtu.be/YtJ1Dbv-XUA

Small video that should give you an idea on what to do

[ember jewel]

ok ok. now how to i toggle off two different objects with the same toggle?

[ornate stump]

What method that you used to make the toggle?

[ember jewel]

Well lets say i had two separate shoe models on two separate feet. How would i get one toggle to turn on and off both of them at the same time?

[ornate stump]

"Method" I'm referring to how you make the toggle: for example, with basic animation and animator logic in FX, with vrcfury, or with modular avatar.

[ember jewel]

Ah sorry! im using vrcfury

[ornate stump]

You probably have to look for exclusive tag.

[ember jewel]

I figured it out. You can just add another object toggle to the same command :b

[slow sandal]

any idea of why this is happening

[ornate stump]

Because animator can't match the bone path with the saved rig configuration.

[slow sandal]

everything shows up as it should tho

also no funky naming

[ornate stump]

I mean it's happening in editor scene.

[sand cedar]

im using the matcap lit shader so it can be quest compatible, but is there a quest shader that can make it shiny so it doesn't look like a walking piece of poop

[ornate stump]

So next question, is the bone heirarchy including bone names match between editing scene and rig configuration?

[ornate stump]

You could use Toon Standard shader instead for more matcap option.

[sand cedar]

what is that under?

[slow sandal]

yep, seems like it

[ornate stump]

What under what?

[sand cedar]

the shader

[ornate stump]

You should have seen it right beside the Matcap Lit.

[sand cedar]

ok

[slow sandal]

okay I triple checked all the naming and etc and still

doesn't detect half the bones

[lean cedar]

Hey, while I'm not the most knowledgeable I can't attempt to help. What exactly is the issue happening? Any screenshots will help too

Feel free to DM me too if needed since I don't get notifications from here

[slow sandal]

this

[lean cedar]

the fbx set to humanoid?

[slow sandal]

yep

[lean cedar]

hmmm

whats the hierarchy like?

[lean cedar]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

honestly...

IDK QWQ

probs a fbx setting

[slow sandal]

uhhh idk what I did but it just

fixed

[lean cedar]

YIPPPEEE

[echo loom]

can somone help me with why this is happening

[lean cedar]

can you screenshot the physbone setting and whole scene?

[echo loom]

i can hold on

whoa

hodl on

[slow sandal]

@lean cedar quick question, how do I make a physbone move in all directions instead of only rotating at it's root

[ornate stump]

Change Center to pivot and try again.

[lean cedar]

erm...................... It should do that by default

unless you mean something spesific

[slow sandal]

caveman language it only moves sideways, and not up and down, is it because it's a single bone?

[lean cedar]

physbone needs to be on "armature"

[lean cedar]

if nothing moves up or down it's a setting in the physbones

[slow sandal]

as I mentioned it only rotates on the root

[echo loom]

i did what u said but its still doing it js not as bad

[ornate stump]

Are you referring to the phone just flies around?

[ornate stump]

If you actually need to "translate" a bone, that isn't a job for physbone.

[echo loom]

its not the phone itself but the entire thing complete moves off her neck

idk how to get it to stay in place w the physic bones

[ornate stump]

Then you should put physbone in the first bone of its armature. Not on the object itself. And also remove the Root Transform assignment.

[echo loom]

idk what any of this is

:((

[ornate stump]

If you actually take a look it's obvious.

[echo loom]

i mean i get that part but i meanthe first part

no need to b rude yk

[ornate stump]

That means you have to take a look inside of the Armature.001 object and you will see bone objects.

[balmy barn]

yup id check inside the armature.001 , could be alot of wierd bones, a entire skeleton

[mint badge]

i have a questing bc of audio link im using poi pro rn and trying to do some audio link stuff but when i press play there is no audio playing and also the shader isnt reacting
i alr added the audiolinkavatar prefab and also added my own audio clip bc i tought the yt stuff is just broken
(just found it i needed a camera for some reason)

[echo loom]

well the first bone i see is hips. so do i put the physic bones there?

[ornate stump]

If it's bone for body, then you have to get down deeper until you get the first bone for the sling.

[echo loom]

but how do i know what the first bone is? there are different bone for bodys like how do i know wich one to click

[ornate stump]

If the phone starts from the neck, then the path usually is Hips > Spine > Chest > Neck.

[echo loom]

after neck its the head bone but it ends there

[ornate stump]

Maybe on Chest then.

[ornate stump]

Lanyard that is.

[echo loom]

sp dp i drag that into the root transform?

do*

[ornate stump]

That would do.

[ornate stump]

This is when you had 2 physbones trying to control the same thing.

[ornate stump]

And it rather seems you add new physbone without removing the old one.

[echo loom]

wdym though? i added a physic bone like the other person said then did what u said to do.

[ornate stump]

Did you remove the other one that you put in the wrong place?

[mint badge]

can i somehow bind custom shader values like hue to audiolink?

[echo loom]

yes i did

[ornate stump]

This exact physbone?

[ornate stump]

https://github.com/llealloo/vrc-udon-audio-link/tree/master/Docs

[ornate stump]

And is there still a physbone component on the "Lanyard by YamuVR" object?

[cosmic lynx]

i have a question regarding liltoon shader presets. i bought this shader preset off of booth, what do i do if i clicked it already and its on my avatar but i wanna get rid of it again? (assuming i saved and quit before so ctrl + z isnt an option anymore)

[echo loom]

no i thought i had to take that off

[ornate stump]

You have to remove that.

[echo loom]

okay so if i put one on there what do i put for the rooot transform

nvm

dont answer that u already told me js now

[ornate stump]

If you assign the root transform, it no longer matter where you put physbone component on.

[echo loom]

ok so now im confused do i not add a physic bone compent to "Lanyard YamuVR" or do i add one too it?

[ornate stump]

You have to either:

1. Put physbone component on object where you want it to be the root of physbone and leave Root Transform None. Or
2. Put physbone component somewhere else, and manually assign the Root Transform.

[echo loom]

how do i manually do that

[ornate stump]

You already have done that though.

[echo loom]

okay well how do i do the first thing u said then

[ornate stump]

Literally "Add Component" to the object where you want it to be a physbone root.

[echo loom]

did i not already do that by adding the lanyard to the tranform root, in the amature?

[ornate stump]

You already have done it correctly though with the manual assign Root Transform. And I'm saying that the next problem you have is there are 2 physbone component that's trying to control the lanyard object.

If you already put the lanyard bone into root transform, it should no longer fly around.

[echo loom]

so i have two delete the 2nd physic bone componet?

or

[echo loom]

i did i showed you that i did in the ss

[ornate stump]

Of course that's one physbone. And there is also another physbone that you may or may not know about its existent trying to control it.

[echo loom]

so do i remove the phsyic bone componet from "Lanyard yumaVR" SENSE ITS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANOTHER PHYSIC BONE COMPONET

ooops

didint means caps sorry

[ornate stump]

Try it then.

[viral epoch]

i have an asset and im trying to animate it to move along the xyz axis and control it with radial toggles but i wont let me, it gives me a vrcfury error, about the rest position how do i fix this or is it not possible

[echo loom]

okay

[echo loom]

i did and it worked!

thank you!:)

[fervent spear]

hey guys any idea why this is happening? is it a glitch in blender?

[somber sequoia]

Seems like it's just got a different position in those shape keys, no idea how it got that way.
To fix, you could go to basis, select that vertex, and in the mesh -> vertices menu, pick "propagate to shapes"

[fervent spear]

thank you very much!

yea i have no idea either, it just sometimes happens, i notice it happens a lot more when i use the knife tool so maybe i just messed something up with that

[deep iron]

Yep

Dm

[fervent oxide]

I keep receiving the security checks failed error when I upload an avatar that a friend had made for me, and I can't seem to find a fix for it

It's my first time using VCC and the likes, so I don't really know what I'm doing wrong

[fervent oxide]

The avatar in my uploaded list is grayed out, with an X on the top right corner

[somber sequoia]

share an image of the build stats, that can happen if it's very very poor or something.

[fervent oxide]

In the vrc SDK menu?

[somber sequoia]

in the SDK build window, yes.

[fervent oxide]

Alright. I'll send the image as soon as I can.

[deep iron]

@knotty river @balmy barn #wutdatmean

[knotty river]

uploading avatars for other will involve you logging into their account... that is a violation of terms of service, and it will end up tying your account together with theirs... if they then go get themselves banned, you will get banned too, because from VRChat's point of view both accounts have been accessed by the same people 😟
so, it is best not to do such

also, the user you replied to was bonked for violating rule 10 of this server, see #rules

[fervent oxide]

Okay, new issue

[somber sequoia]

got your SDK and Gesture Manager packages up to date?

[fervent oxide]

I think so

If not, how do I update them?

[supple aurora]

Hi, i got a question... i got some hairs for my vrchat avatar. but i noticed its only for the rexouium avatars... is there any way to use them anyways?

[somber sequoia]

you can use anything you want on any model you want. It just might take some work, such as reshaping or re-rigging.

[fervent oxide]

How do I add a VRCAvatarDescriptor?

(I forgot how to do literally everything I did yesterday)

[cunning wedge]

Hey, everyone! I've been working on an avatar entirely from scratch. It's my first time doing this!

Overall, it's going well, but I'm noticing an issue that's coming up in full-body tracking that doesn't exist in desktop.

She seems to have a permanent forward hunch when I'm using FBT.

When I get home from work at about 3:30-4:00 PM EST, can someone please help me diagnose and fix the issue?

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar/#step-5---adding-an-avatar-descriptor

[fervent oxide]

Alr, fixed the descriptor

Now to fix literally everything else

[umbral flower]

hi i need an av

[fervent oxide]

How do I make it to where my avatar is both PC and Quest compatible?

Oh nvm

[somber sequoia]

hi, I need another cup of coffee

[umbral flower]

😭

[cunning wedge]

I'm sure it's something to do with how the rig is set up but everything I've tried to fix it hasn't worked. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[somber sequoia]

what did you expect from that statement?

[fervent oxide]

Lol

[umbral flower]

some help

[fervent oxide]

How do I access the rig of the avatar?

[somber sequoia]

You'd need to explain what you need help with then.

[somber sequoia]

what is it you're trying to do?

[umbral flower]

getting an av

like it says

[somber sequoia]

Can you be more specific?

[umbral flower]

na

[fervent oxide]

I am trying to fix some missing points on the hands

[supple aurora]

did i set it up correctly?

[somber sequoia]

okay well I don't think anyone is going to be able to help you with that then.

[supple aurora]

or do i need to do some other things?

[fervent oxide]

Are you literally just looking for an avatar to use?

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you mean here but find the model file, click on it, look in the inspector, rig tab.

[umbral flower]

yea

[umbral flower]

ok

[fervent oxide]

Ah, go to Prismic's Avatar Search in the game

They got 1,000,000+ avatars at your disposal

(no joke, it says that on the title)

[umbral flower]

oo thank u

[fervent oxide]

Yw!

Well, that was easy XD

Now to find the rig tab 😭

How do I enforce a t-pose?

[deep iron]

Alr ty this is legit like my 3rd day working with avatars so idk the rules and signs of risk as much

[fervent oxide]

It's my second day with this XD

I have another small issue

is this something I need to worry about?

Alright, I'm gonna test if it works fine with PC only

If it works, then it's something with making it quest compatible

It works with PC only!

[earnest wind]

does anyone know how to fix this issue? my vrcavatardescriptor is detecting my rig as non-humanoid, but in the actual model settings its set as humanoid

[teal laurel]

Is the rig setup right? (Check the configure button, and see if the names match where they should be)

[ornate stump]

You need animator component and avatar slot in the animator assigned. It should done that automaticcally, unless you "Unpacked Prefab" the model in the scene.

[fervent oxide]

Alr, I have two more things I need to fix before it's perfect

First, the camera position

[earnest wind]

i did unpack prefab

[ornate stump]

That's a bad idea to do to begin with.

[fervent oxide]

how do I fix this issue with the face?

[ornate stump]

What is it doing?

[fervent oxide]

It looks like smth is clipping through the face

I'm asking my avatar's creator for an answer to this too

[ornate stump]

Look for blendshape on the mesh to see if there are some adjustment for it.

[fervent oxide]

But I did have some other small things, the camera position (where you see when using the avatar) and the lip syncing so that the mouth moves when I talk

[fervent oxide]

Alr

[fervent oxide]

I think it could be that some textures overlapped

Three of my texture spheres have the same texture

[ornate stump]

That isn't how it works.

[fervent oxide]

Oh

Sorry

It's my first time using unity and whatnot

[ornate stump]

Isn't there a prefab that came included in the package showing the default avatar setup?

[fervent oxide]

I believe so

That would be the .fbx file, right?

Wait I think I fixed it?

Okay, texture problem solved (at least for now)

[fervent oxide]

Now these two

So, how do I position the camera that I'll be looking out of when using the avatar?

[ornate stump]

The Eye Look section in avatar descriptor.

[fervent oxide]

Thanks

[fervent oxide]

When I'm using my avatar in game, it floats up when I look down. How do I fix that?

[obtuse trail]

can you screenshot where the player camera is on your avatar?

[fervent oxide]

Yeah

Give me just a moment

[obtuse trail]

way too far

[fervent oxide]

and another, it feels like the avatar is too small (irl arms extend farther than the avatar arms)

[fervent oxide]

oh, didnt know it was too far lol

[obtuse trail]

You have to place the player camera close to the headbone.

Think of where your headset would be in the virtual space as if the avatar was a costume. Sometimes avatars with big heads need the camera close to the mouth or neck.

If you've ever seen a rl costume of a large-headed cartoon character, often the wearer is looking through the mouth.

[arctic ginkgo]

yep, you're going to want that stuck pretty far inside the head. Imagine you're wearing a protogen fursuit and put it where your eyes would be

[fervent oxide]

Oooohhhhh

Ty both, I get it!

[fervent oxide]

But now this

How come my irl arms extended longer than the avatar's?

[obtuse trail]

Fix the camera issue first and test it. The arm issue might go away.

The player camera is used to guess where the hand trackers would be in the virtual space. If the camera is wrong, the arms will also not work right.

Its not the only issue that can mess with the arms, but its a start.

[fervent oxide]

Got it

[minor trail]

@worn jackal

[worn jackal]

huh weird

does look like bounding box but then why only close to the mirror

[minor trail]

Update is almost done so we'll see

[minor trail]

Update didn't work

[worn jackal]

I dont think its render queue either

[graceful elm]

Whats a good method to keep a game object always pointed down while retaining the other rotation axies from its parent?

[somber sequoia]

Physbone with gravity?

[graceful elm]

Rotation constraints are my first thought but because of the conversion to quaternions its not as simple

Physbone is not an option

should have mentioned that sorry

[somber sequoia]

About all else I can think of is a game object dropped on the origin as a reference point for a rotation constraint

[graceful elm]

this is what I did before but its a very ugly solution, was hoping there was something more elegant

[obtuse trail]

Sadly, what Kazin suggested is what will likely work as you describe

[graceful elm]

Like I said physbones are not an option

they dont work well with setups that use many constraints. Which mine does.

I already tried physbones and their "down" direction is at like a 40 degree angle due to my constraint use

[timber wharf]

@graceful elm we need an actual example. prob adding secondary aim constraint for other axes can work

[graceful elm]

yeah this works, but you require another object to reference to give the object its rotation back, you end up with like 3 or 4 different constraints haha

[radiant tree]

Is there a good male mannequin model that isn't xbot, or Ybot, or Vbots or any of the usual avatars I see around?

[proven quail]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1138520828556890214

[sly kernel]

Does anyone know how to fix this error please?

[somber sequoia]

what error? there is no error shown.

But you don't seem to have a chest bone mapped - that's required.

[sly kernel]

Even when I have the chest bone mapped, the model gets deformed and I'm unsure how to fix it. Its also giving me all those warnings...

[quasi swallow]

hihi, some questions about adding tattoos to avis:

1. they have to be designed for the body/base, yes?
2. any links to videos or tutorials on how to add tattoos?
3. is there any way to make sure a set is designed for the newest base? i have seen some listed but the link they provide for the base takes me to some legacy models. i would hate to purchase something only for it to not be updated. any advice here?

[somber sequoia]

1. depends on how you set them up - for example, you could use a shader's decal feature to just slap an overlay image wherever you want.

[pine valley]

i always struggle with this

[somber sequoia]

resize your arm bones in Unity.

I shrink mine 5% for my usual avatar model.

[pine valley]

if someone hasn't shown you this already, check out https://nanochip.gumroad.com/l/avatarlimbscaling?layout=profile&recommended_by=library

it lets you fuss with the size in-game

I also tend to scale up my shoulder bones

[quasi swallow]

which would you suggest between the two options? i have VERY limited knowledge on how to do anything so the simpler the better

[pine valley]

i've noticed that the game's IK doesn't raise my shoulders properly

if I put my arms down at my side and then raise my shoulders, I can see my shoulders go up in-game

but if I raise my arms over my head, my in-game shoulders stay down

this, unsurprisingly, means my in-game arms don't reach far enough

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what other options there are, this isn't a thing I have cared about. But I do use Poiyomi's decal feature a bunch, usually for t-shirt logos 🙂

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - I found that my in-game elbows were always bent, took me a while to figure out that just shortening my avatar's arm bones a bit made them line up very well.

[quasi swallow]

do you have any tutorials on how to use that feature?

[somber sequoia]

search engines exist for this reason:
https://www.poiyomi.com/color-and-normals/decals

[pine valley]

Poiyomi has pretty comprehensive documentatino

[sly kernel]

Its basically messing up my resting pose and I'm unsure why...I've tried going in blender to straighten out the bones of the armature but it doesn't seem to fix the issue.

[pine valley]

it looks like you only have two leg bones

[quasi swallow]

definitely. i was moreso asking for your personal opinion on which resource to look at. thanks

[pine valley]

but it's hard to tell what's going on

[timber wharf]

to this day noone was able to answer me how to project a tileable texture as a cycled forearm tattoo or say fishnets tho i asked people who sortof live off this

[sly kernel]

Should I show the blender picture of the armature?

[somber sequoia]

Sure.

actually no

do that in #avatar-rigging

[sly kernel]

👍

[minor trail]

I've tried everything. It's not faceemo, it's not eyelook, I triple checked the shader...

I used this base before. I've done everything right...

[rocky hound]

Kinda hard to tell without seeing the project itself

[obtuse trail]

I am learning more stuff about toggles. Sadly, VRC Fury doesn't cut it for certain things. 😭

I have a sword toggle and I want to add a second option on the menu to make the sword sprout flames. I already have the flame effect animations and the toggle already works.

Should I:

• add more states to the sword layer?
• make a second layer just for the flames option?

This way of making toggles is from the VRC School website.

[somber sequoia]

Anything that needs to be able to be run all at the same time should be in a separate layer... or possibly a Direct BlendTree.

[timber wharf]

yep, the backfire of vrcf. at least it handles dbts itself

[somber sequoia]

yep

[finite moss]

anyone know why the hoodie on my avatar got a shader problem sometimes when i go to a dark place? I dont know what is the problem

i wish there was a way to debug this in the vrc unity creator tool but the lighting seems fine in it

[night ember]

thats not exactly a bug
the hoodie just has its own unique lighting (idk the term so "center?")
set an anchor override in the mesh so all meshes match

[timber wharf]

you generally want every mesh to point towards the same bone ie chest or smth

[night ember]

I usually put it on hip since that is the root of the avatar

[finite moss]

Um where can I set it? Wait i will open my laptop again

[timber wharf]

mesh renderer

[finite moss]

I didn't expect someone to solve my problem this fast so I just turned it off lol, i was so tired debugging it

[pine valley]

the Anchor Override tells Unity where to measure two things:

• light probes, which provide diffuse light
• reflection probes, which provide specular highlights and reflections

[timber wharf]

vrcf should be able to autofix it

[pine valley]

these are measured from a single point; it would not be practical to sample them per-pixel

(VRC Light Volumes samples per-pixel, which allows a single renderer to experience varying amounts of light in different places)

that's one of the thing that makes that system neat

[timber wharf]

and 600 extra executes per shader

which makes it not

[finite moss]

i used Modular Avatar to put the hoodie on my avatar

i didnt use vrcfury 🙁

i will try to change this to see if it makes any different, thx

[finite moss]

is there anyways for me to see this problem when the anchor point is different, which makes the clothes go darker like in the game?

[pine valley]

You'd need to bake lighting in the scene that your avatar is in

[finite moss]

because in VRC Creator i dont see any problem, so I have to upload it everytime to see if its fixed

[pine valley]

which would involve adding light probes to the scene, adding one or more baked lights, generating lighting, and then looking at the result

[timber wharf]

its called unity and ye you dont by default

[pine valley]

this is a very easy fix, so I'd just set the Anchor Override of each renderer to the same object and be done with it

[somber sequoia]

I'd guess that you can see it with Hai's lightbox viewer

[pine valley]

oh yeah, that would probably demonstrate how you respond to light probes

[finite moss]

i have used that one and it doesnt detect it so yeah

[somber sequoia]

Haven't actually tested myself, I just set this to the chest bone and don't worry about it further.

[finite moss]

im just a beginner guys 😔 i will try to follow but man this is kinda hard

[somber sequoia]

yeah, steep learning curve. but don't worry, you'll get it

[timber wharf]

if anything you can just blame world devs, technically its on them

imagine baking lightprobes this inconsistent

[pine valley]

light probes can't be placed flush with the floor, or they'd get very weird exposure to ambient light

so they're generally slightly above the surface, which opens the door to this kind of thing for models whose anchor is flush with the ground

[timber wharf]

afaik its just some lightprobes left underneath. cause mesh samples and blends nearest light/reflection probes. so it cannot go dark unless there was a black lightprobe beyond map while baking them. not that unity method of scaling them is very intuitive so having some under a platform is kinda understandable

[finite moss]

ok so i just did a thing, um can you help me with how can i do this thing to see if its fix? 🙁

[timber wharf]

can't you just test it in game?

[pine valley]

the problem is that even if you don't leave light probes beneath the floor, unity will still find the four probes that enclose your sample point

so you wind up snagging a probe from across the map

[finite moss]

i will have to build and upload it which will take me a while cuz my laptop is not that strong

[pine valley]

i believe it will give up and only use three (or fewer) probes if there are no probes below the floor at all

(at least, that's what the editor visualization suggests is happening)

[finite moss]

i thought there will be a faster way

[pine valley]

before you upload, look at every renderer on your avatar. you can easily do this by searching the hierarchy for:

t:renderer

look at each object and make sure its Anchor Overide is set consistently

[timber wharf]

@finite moss nah, figuring out lightprobes is def not faster. not sure if hai's viewer implements them as well

[slow sandal]

any idea on how to fix this

[timber wharf]

like, normally you really dont touch it (as an avayar creator), you just override and go. setting up lighting os a world creator thing

@slow sandal can we see green humanoid?

[pine valley]

actually, before you hit "Configure", look at the inspector -- do you see any error messages?

it's possible to have an import problem that means that:

• you have a valid-looking humanoid avatar setup
• the resulting model is completely broken anyway

[slow sandal]

only import problem is smoothing groups for blendshapes

[timber wharf]

@slow sandal are you double sure youre out of prefab mode when trying to upload?

can we see like the whole screenshot of its failing

[pine valley]

this is separate from the messages that get logged to the console

screenshot the inspector showing the 'Rig' tab in the inspector so I can be sure

[slow sandal]

do you mean the rig hierarchy or

[pine valley]

No, I mean the place you clicked the "Configure" button in to open this screen

or did you double-click here to open that window?

[pine valley]

ah, okay, good

there would be a red error message here if it was importing wrongly

next: select your avatar's root object (the one with the avatar descriptor and then animator on it) and show me the inspector, with the Animator component visible

[slow sandal]

this thing?

[pine valley]

this looks weird

your Animator component has been added to the prefab instance in the scene, meaning this is not the animator that unity originally generated

you've also got a SkinnedMeshRenderer on there ...?

show me the hierarchy; it looks like you're adding this stuff to the wrong object

[finite moss]

im pretty sure i have set the hoodie Anchor point to the same as the Blouse and every other default clothes of the avatar but damn it still doesnt fix it. This is so frustating

[pine valley]

you should be putting the avatar descriptor on the "PilotTeest" object

right click on the component in the inspector and copy it, then remove the component

then, go to PilotTeest, right click on "Transform" in the inspector, and hit "Paste Component As New"

this will paste the avatar descriptor onto the correct object

[slow sandal]

ohh, that fixes it, ty

weird because last time I did the same and it worked, so I was pretty confused

[pine valley]

are both pieces of clothing using the same shader?

even if they are (e.g. they both use Poiyomi Toon), it may be helpful to set both to use exactly the same material

once you're in spooky territory, it's important to start ruling things out (:

[pine valley]

(it's fine that it'll look broken; we're eliminating differences)

[low pine]

Hallooo!! Say I have a clothing asset with an armature that includes an upper chest and toe bones, but my avatar does not have those bones. VRCFury armature link is whining because it can't match those bones to anything on my avatar, how would one correct this?

[pine valley]

that's fine

it's just notifying you that it didn't find a match

[low pine]

when i go into gesture manager it's.. just gone? is that because of a vrcfury component issue?

"its" referring to the clothing

Also the armature disappears from the heirarchy

when in gesture manager

[finite moss]

yeah they are all Liltoon, the hoodie is the only thing I added T_T, the hoodie is sticking out like a sore thumb. Is there anything I can do to ruling things out?

[pine valley]

That is expected. Armature Link modifies the model so that it follows your main armature.

[pine valley]

there's probably a toggle to enable the clothing

(i see another VRCF component below the one you showed)

[low pine]

yes yes thats the toggle component

I have it setup to enable the asset but it doesnt appear when i click it

however it does show it as enabled in the hierarchy

[pine valley]

in play mode, select the object with the SkinnedMeshRenderer on it

[pine valley]

you should see an outline around something in the scene view (hit F to focus the camera on the object's center)

[pine valley]

i would try reusing a material from existing clothing

if that looks fine, then you have different material settings

[low pine]

found the issue

[pine valley]

i can't tell if that's a blendshape issue or a scaling issue

uncheck all of the "Align" options and try again

[low pine]

its probably align scale now that i think about it

the only 2 blendshapes are on the jacket for opening and closing it

now it appears but its in the t-pose position

[pine valley]

does it deform as you pose the avatar?

or does it stay stuck in the t-pose/

[low pine]

its attached to the hip i think

[finite moss]

I changed the hoodie material to hair material, and it still happened, do you have any other lead?

[surreal sandal]

anyone know where one could find a viltrumite outfit to put on their avatar? or maybe a superhero suit in general that could be retextured into one?

[finite moss]

@pine valley tysm, i fixed it, turn out i have to set the Anchor point here too...Mtfker I wasted 5 hours on this...but at least its done now jesus

[pine valley]

Ah! I'm not familiar with Modular Avatar, so I didn't know that would be a thing

good to know now, at least

[slow sandal]

okayy, managed to import but now my avatar its pitch black

despite looking fine in the preview and in unity

[echo quiver]

what is this error?

i saw this after uploading changed to an avatar of mine

[sand fractal]

i got this only today and idk what to do about it at all

its causing my playmode to NOT work though

[left gull]

issue with your gesture manager prolly, you could remove it if you dont need to use it otherwise look to see if its up-to date or you've got conflicting packages imported

[sand fractal]

i like having it to make sure toggles properly work

[echo quiver]

restart worked nvm

[sand fractal]

okay i restarted unity and its fine now.?

[somber osprey]

is it relevant to ask help related to porting VRC avi to VRM format or this isn't it?

[minor trail]

How do I put the bell sound onto a collar? I have the physbone and the audio source components already

[fervent oxide]

I tried uploading an avatar, but I got this error. How do I fix this?

[light dust]

Anyone on here got time to spare and deep knowledge on how to bring avatars from blender to unity

[somber sequoia]

that error by itself is of no use - see the first pin for how to share errors - you need to be looking at the first 2-3 errors, not the last.

[light dust]

I would have to get on call because whatever I'm trying to do is too complex for me to put into text

[somber sequoia]

file -> export -> fbx, set "apply scalings" to "FBX All", uncheck the one about leaf bones under "armature", save the file into your Unity project.

[pine valley]

if you can't explain what you're doing, then you need to think about it more (:

[light dust]

If only I knew how to. Spent hours searching for and watching tutorials to no avail

[somber sequoia]

knew how to what?

[light dust]

Not only that, but the whole process

[somber sequoia]

that is literally the whole process

[light dust]

I already have a model that's rigged on blender

[pine valley]

okay, so you export it, exactly as Kazin said

[fervent oxide]

That's the thing, that was the only error

I'll look at the video though

[pine valley]

i have observed failures where it only logs the "Failed to upload file" message

[light dust]

Who can I get on call with to give me the step by step process on how to do this??

[somber sequoia]

check the vrchat build window for errors/warnings there

[fervent oxide]

Alright

[somber sequoia]

Not me, but I would tell you exactly the same thing in a call.

that is literally the step-by-step process.

[light dust]

At least there would be some directions rather than just aimless searching for something that's probably in plain sight but I can't see shit

[pine valley]

if you have specific questions, ask them

[light dust]

If I knew what to ask

[slow sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMmYbrBmhk&t=

[light dust]

I'm so confused and tired by all this

[pine valley]

what about this series of steps is currently the problem?

[somber sequoia]

after you have done exactly the thing I said, if you need more, like "how to setup avatar" then this is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTlZXDJueks

[somber sequoia]

ah I haven't seen this one, nice

[light dust]

I just want one good looking avatar that isn't rigged like a malformed fish

[slate jackal]

where do I find matcap lit

[somber sequoia]

step 1: export from blender

[slow sandal]

shaders, and select toon lit

[slate jackal]

WEHRE IS SHADERS

[somber sequoia]

dropdown at the top of your material

[slate jackal]

WHERE IS MATERIAL

[slow sandal]

I mean there's dozens you can download, you don't need to go through the whole importing proces if you dont need it

[somber sequoia]

time for a basic unity tutorial

[slate jackal]

i have an avi that I bought but i need to put matcap lit on

[somber sequoia]

okay so find the material you want to change and select a different shader.

ah you have a broken script - you'll want to fix that too

[pine valley]

read the instructions that came with the avatar

you are probably missing a package

[slate jackal]

no instructions

[light dust]

None of this is helping, I literally need someone to handhold me through this process

[pine valley]

no, you need to put in a modicum of effort by either reading or watching a tutorial

[light dust]

I'm trying

[pine valley]

people are not going to drop everything and walk you through a basic process

if you have a specific problem, you can ask about it

but so far you've just told me that you've tried nothing and you're out of ideas

[slate jackal]

where do I find the shader

[slow sandal]

just follow a tutorial man it isnt that hard

[light dust]

I tried

[somber sequoia]

I wish you luck in finding such a person.

[light dust]

None of them look the same

[somber sequoia]

a lot of this process is the kind of thing where if you can't do the very, very basics, everything else is Mount Everest.

[slate jackal]

try the blender discord theres ppl who know unity and vrchat

anywaysss

where do I find the shader

[slow sandal]

find your model materials

[somber sequoia]

You need to find the material you want to edit first.

[light dust]

Thank you. That is helpful

[obtuse trail]

Anyone know Toon Standard?

I have the toggles created and they work fine. However the emission increases even though the avatar is masked.

I am using UV layer 1 for the emission map. I am also using the Emission Strength slider as a transition effect.

[somber sequoia]

honestly, as someone in there, it's not helpful at all, you won't find much unity/vrchat help there. Here is where you will.

[slate jackal]

well last time it was easy I just use the shader but idk how

ill see

[slate jackal]

WHGERE

I am on the arm

[slow sandal]

bro just loook through the UI

[somber sequoia]

I don't know where your materials are, it's not my project.

[slow sandal]

this is the default

[somber sequoia]

bones don't have materials, you need mesh objects.

[pine valley]

each renderer on your avatar will use materials, and they're generally parented directly to the root of your avatar

[pine valley]

e.g. "Body"

[slate jackal]

THANK YOU

[somber sequoia]

I figured if you know you want to change a shader, you'd know which material you want to change

but ok

[slow sandal]

if you check any mesh of your mesh you will find the materials

and in there you can select the shader

[pine valley]

you'll see all of the materials used by the object in the inspector, yes

[slate jackal]

theres a missing file IN body_base

texture*

shader*

wtvr

but I dont know how to get to it

[lilac musk]

Once you have the game object selected, look for 'skinned mesh renderer' in the inspector. It will have a material list which you can use to find the problem material to edit

[grizzled yew]

I'm trying to make some replacement animations for the basic humanoid ones.. What would cause this difference in the animation between blender and unity? The avatar's spine position seems exaggerated, causing him to be leaning way back. Animation seems to be working otherwise. It just seems to be the spine. This is frame 1 for both.