avatar-help

[sturdy escarp]

I imagine it would cause a break in hand animations

[somber sequoia]

nope

so far haven't noticed anything weird - but I did only move the ring finger collider.

[still shuttle]

In unity VS Blender

[sturdy escarp]

if you can move the collider and attach it to the tow bone without moving the finger bone itself that woudl be great

But I guess this gimmick is a bit more advanced than I expected

[somber sequoia]

Yes, that's exactly what you can do, via a build-time script

[sturdy escarp]

In any case thanks. If I decide to give it a go, at least I know to start looking in VRCFury

[plain mural]

ummmm. what?
I have two meshes, one with 5 materials, the other with 1

[somber sequoia]

Particle systems count

[plain mural]

ah gosh

[somber sequoia]

1-2 each

(the second is for trails)

[plain mural]

I just can't see my avatar in the world, even though I don't have the unoptimized avatar blocker enabled
Maybe I'm missing something

[leaden wagon]

yo cosmo

[still shuttle]

whats up?

[leaden wagon]

Hey

Hey! Uwu

:3

[still shuttle]

Lol is there somethin you need help with?

[leaden wagon]

I’m a femboy

I need help from u

Idk what to do since I’ve became a fem boy

[somber sequoia]

that doesn't sound like avatar help, maybe there's a more appropriate channel

[leaden wagon]

Idk what to do, should I have a skirt or smt :<

Sum femboys have skirts, right :0

Hello?

[still shuttle]

If you want like fashion advice, there are discord servers and stuff for that. My DMs are open so if you want you can DM me and I can send you links to a discord server. But we should keep this channel in this server focused on avatar help

[leaden wagon]

Ok! :3 ^^

[chilly solar]

this might be a stupid question but if you can see the blueprint id for any avatar on the website, does it not just allow you to overwrite some random persons avi if you used it in unity??

[hazy quest]

how do i agust the view point

[balmy barn]

https://vrc.school/docs/Avatars/Avatar-Descriptor/#0b37ff9175da463590f5065a3f928123

edit your avatar descriptor component , look for the view / expand , be sure your av is at 0.0.0 and you have gizmo's on

[somber sequoia]

You don't own that, you can't update it

[chilly solar]

i thought it had to be more than just letting you do that lmfao

i was like surely thats not a thing

[somber sequoia]

but you'll note it means anyone can view a public avatar

[chilly solar]

yes c:

[somber sequoia]

Private ones return a 404

(just checked, I was curious what return code they used)

[wraith saffron]

Quick blender question why are my back faces heavily tinted red? How do I change that?

[somber sequoia]

You have the face orientation overlay on

[dark jay]

how do i make the syncdance prefab audio sound clear and not muddy

[grave crypt]

has anyone ever encountered this error? i've tried everything i can think of:

• restarting unity and the vcc
• reloading the sdk
• detaching the blueprint ID
• just waiting and trying again later
• restarting my entire pc
  i seriously have no idea what's causing this. any help would be appreciated ^^

[somber sequoia]

You cropped it so I can't see the error count - is that the only error in the console?

[clear nebula]

anyonw know what could be causing this on my arms

weirdly enough when I do play on unity, that doesnt happen
nvm it does

[somber sequoia]

Looks like a shrinking blendshape used for fitting clothing

[hazy quest]

why does it fly when i jump

[clear nebula]

yeah and for some reason I cant even change this

its like forcing the 100

[somber sequoia]

if you're in play mode and can't change that, it means some animation is setting it

[clear nebula]

animation? huh

hmmmmmm

this cant be the issue right?

[somber sequoia]

that's way too cropped to give me a clue what it is

[clear nebula]

oh hell

I kinda discovered how to fix the issue

no idea what is making the issue

[indigo storm]

would someone pls show me how to add hair/clothing to my payed for avi?

[past marten]

I made the outline thicker and this black box appeared on the chat and is how to be rid of it

[chilly solar]

i have an avatar in my scene made my dragging and dropping a prefab in. i updated something on it in blender and reimported the fbx. how do i now update the prefab that was made from said fbx?

[somber sequoia]

Simply overwrite the same .fbx file from Blender, and it'll automatically be updated in Unity. Assuming you didn't unpack the model prefab in Unity.

[wise spear]

how would i make an emote that doesnt loop stop being toggled when its done playing, i cant find any tutorials that help 🥀

[chilly solar]

i did but that didnt update the prefab in my scene

i also havent ever unpacked anything

[somber sequoia]

Right click the model file and select reimport - sometimes Unity doesn't realize the files is changed

[chilly solar]

still didnt work. does it have anything to do with the fact that my prefabs dont have the same name as the fbx?

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you mean

[chilly solar]

my fbx and the prefabs made from said fbx. i know when you overwrite the fbx it needs to have the same name. idk if that applies to the prefab

[somber sequoia]

Really not sure what you mean about the name - I'm talking about just the .fbx. If you stick that in some other prefab you may have to refresh it or something

oh did you make platform-specific prefabs there? Interesting

[chilly solar]

yeah i reimported the fbx, i can see it has the new thing i added, but the prefabs in my scene didnt change

[chilly solar]

yeah i did that so i have them to put on gumroad

[somber sequoia]

I don't do that, not sure if you need to do something else there

[chilly solar]

shitt

[somber sequoia]

I didn't think so but not really sure

[clear nebula]

u were right, i removed some parameters and it workeddd!!

[chilly solar]

figured out it doesnt work because i dragged and dropped the fbx into my assets to create the prefab, therefore it doesnt update like it should. i needed to have created a prefab variant instead which updates with the fbx.

new issue, how can i transfer all my vrcfury toggles and all my avatar info from one avi in my scene to a duplicate of it with nothing

[shadow agate]

more of a unity question
is there a way to to retarget animated properties by just renaming the property (i.e. "zipper_small_down" to "zipper_normal_down")

[somber sequoia]

you can click-then-click the name of that to edit it

it's not quite double-click

[shadow agate]

that edits the object's name instead

[somber sequoia]

ohhh, yeah it would

you can do it if you edit the animation file itself, curious why you can't in unity

[shadow agate]

that works

[pearl trout]

how do i fix this?

[somber sequoia]

"this"

[pearl trout]

?

[somber sequoia]

what there do you want fixed?

[pearl trout]

the mesh it's doing a weird thing and I don't know how to fix it.

[somber sequoia]

Yes, but which thing there is the weird thing?

assume we have never seen this before and don't know what you think is "correct"

[pearl trout]

it's doing the weird shading when i put on the texters

[somber sequoia]

yes but which shading is the weird shading?

I'd guess and say maybe you can select the faces, then mesh -> normals -> reset vectors, but it depends on which shading you're trying to fix

[pearl trout]

mainly the entire face

[somber sequoia]

ok I guess I don't know what you mean then, sorry

[pearl trout]

i look at it in blender and it look fine but idk what's going on when it get's in unity

[somber sequoia]

yeah now that looks like weird vertex normals

[pearl trout]

okay how do it fix it??

[somber sequoia]

#avatar-help message

[pearl trout]

it didn't work

[mint badge]

also i just dont unpack stuff ig?

ive been just insta unpacking everything

[sturdy fable]

Ok so I have unity 2022.3.22f1 installed
I click open project in CC
It opens unity hub but nothing else
Is it not supposed to open the unity project? What am I to do?

[mint badge]

does this normaly take this long or did i break smt?

[somber sequoia]

#creator-companion might be better, but yeah, I'd think that would work

[mint badge]

@somber sequoia im missing this in the new fbx tho is that a problem?

so the avatar thing

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you mean? That ^ component isn't "in" your model file

[mint badge]

it was in the og one tho

[somber sequoia]

wait, what part of this do you mean?

oh do you mean the avatar there?

[mint badge]

ye

[somber sequoia]

did you do the humanoid rig setup on the new one?

[mint badge]

i just opend the .blend file that was provided it has armature in it

not sure about the rest

i only did the del what i dont need part

[somber sequoia]

None of that answered my question

[mint badge]

i did not do any riging no

[somber sequoia]

You probably want to setup the rig as humanoid, in Unity. That's what that "avatar" icon is

[mint badge]

thats what i have in blender rn

[mint badge]

oh

[night ember]

unity doesnt know what bones your model has

you need to assign them

[mint badge]

ohhh

yea no idea how tho😭

[somber sequoia]

most of the basic avatar setup tutorials show this

[mint badge]

might just be faster to just take the og replace the mesh n del everthing from scratch

[somber sequoia]

you still have to do this if you haven't done it yet

[mint badge]

but the og has it already

or do i need to do it for the mesh?

[somber sequoia]

it's not a mesh thing, but if the original file has it, that's good.

[mint badge]

i tought the mesh doesnt have a lot to do with the bones

[somber sequoia]

it's trivial to do though.

Mesh is linked to the armature so it deforms when the armature moves

[mint badge]

ye so my plan was just pull this back in
dont unpack it that time n just replace the mesh
pull my added stuff back on it and set it back up
del the stuff i dont need

bc i can just replace the mesh ez if its not unpacked right?

[somber sequoia]

no

[mint badge]

oh

😭

[somber sequoia]

You seem to be working in Blender, that's where you replace meshes

[mint badge]

ig yea i only use blender if i have to

ok lemme just look up the bone asigning thing n i should be gucci

cant i just do copy from other?

[somber sequoia]

I haven't had the best luck with that, but maybe. If there's nothing really custom about this, there's not really any point though

[sturdy fable]

Is there a way to upload a model without CC

Cause this is pissing me off

[mint badge]

yea good i tried it bc i just nodiced i del the eye bones by acident

😭

[somber sequoia]

Sure, you can use Alcom instead of VCC

you could just open unity hub then open/create a project there too

[sturdy fable]

Are there any good updated tutorials on that

[somber sequoia]

(you'd have to install the VRChat SDK and other stuff into it still though)

no idea

[sturdy fable]

Cause i have unity open and i tried opening the model and that works

[somber sequoia]

oh, then what's the issue?

[sturdy fable]

But i have no idea how to do the sdk and gestures and all that bs

[somber sequoia]

VCC isn't going to help you with that

[sturdy fable]

The tutorial i was using was for cc but its not working and anything i looked up wasnt helping

[sturdy fable]

Cc comes with the sdk and gestures does it not

Thats why i got it and the tutorial i was watching said to use it

But if its not working ill just import everything myself

[somber sequoia]

VCC provides the VRChat SDK and related packages. It has nothing really to do with "gestures", whatever you mean by that.

[sturdy fable]

A quest thing

[somber sequoia]

I mean, it's a very generic term that could mean a lot of things.

[sturdy fable]

Gesture manager

Its automatically in the projects in cc

[night ember]

its not

[night ember]

its not automatically in the project

[sturdy fable]

I did not add it so idk why it came with it then

[somber sequoia]

oh you mean "Gesture Manager" - yes, VCC can be used to get that.

[night ember]

the creator companion is not the sdk

[sturdy fable]

Yeah no i know

[night ember]

all creator companion does is let you manage packages in your project

[somber sequoia]

VCC is just a tool to add packages to a unity project and possibly launch unity, that's it.

[sturdy fable]

I got the cc because it had the stuff in it and was following a tug

Tut

Ok where do i find everything that i need to put into the model

[night ember]

you have to specifically add it to the project using cc

idk what model you are using so Idk what it requires

[sturdy fable]

Just The basics

If i am not using cc at all

[night ember]

gesture is not required

[sturdy fable]

Where do i find the vrchat sdk

And the gesture management because the tutorial said it was required for quest users

[night ember]

https://vrchat.com/home/download

[somber sequoia]

you can get that with VCC (or Alcom)

[night ember]

it is in fact not

[sturdy fable]

Ok how do i download it from vcc

[night ember]

all gesture does is let you test in unity

[somber sequoia]

see that Manage Packages image you just posted? That is how.

[somber sequoia]

You can pick the version added to your project on that screen.

[night ember]

they are already there

[sturdy fable]

How do i download it separately from vcc

And add it separately

[night ember]

I sent the link to it

[sturdy fable]

The project wont open using cc so im just not going to use it

Ok sorry you confused me by saying with vcc

[somber sequoia]

you don't need vcc to open unity though

But also

Use Alcom 🙂

[sturdy fable]

I dont know what alcom is and i dont wanna just search alcom download💔

[somber sequoia]

https://vrc-get.anatawa12.com/en/alcom/

[sturdy fable]

Am i going to have to download the vrchat sdk and everything separately and add it in unity anyway with alcom

[somber sequoia]

no

[sturdy fable]

Nd is there a certain version i have to have or is the newest ok

[somber sequoia]

Also, it's already added to your project so you don't need to go download it again

[unreal zephyr]

Hi, could I get some help with fixing this error? The bones appear correct in the avatar rig, but it just refuses to upload

[somber sequoia]

show the rig setup window, show the bone hierarchy

[unreal zephyr]

Anything else you need or is this ss good

[somber sequoia]

close everything below head, we can't see the arms on this

you do seem to have a whole bunch of extra bones before the hips bone though, that's weird

[unreal zephyr]

Its a MMD model, I tried to optimize but I do NOT know how to get rid of those without a migrane lol

Here's the hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I see why, you have lots of bones between the upper chest and upper arm, VRChat isn't going to like that at all

there should be one shoulder bone

[mint badge]

hm

[unreal zephyr]

So back to blender? Or is there any kind of tool I can put into unity

[somber sequoia]

Back to blender

[unreal zephyr]

When I try to merge bones using CATS unofficial, this error pops up, I don't even know where to begin haha

I may have solved my own problem

[rotund merlin]

what does this mean?

[night ember]

the build was aborted

[rotund merlin]

what caused it?

[somber sequoia]

maybe look in the error console

[rotund merlin]

what did you think i did sherlock?

[somber sequoia]

alright then.

[rotund merlin]

sorry it looked like you were being rude i had a rough day

[somber sequoia]

I was not at all trying to be rude.

[rotund merlin]

i know i apologize

[somber sequoia]

alright.

[rotund merlin]

i figured it out now thank you

[pearl pebble]

Hey I have a avatar where the physbones don’t work for quest but unity is not alerting me if there are too many physbones

[timber wharf]

@pearl pebble make sure youre checking stats in playmode if there's vrcfury involved

if some prefab adds physbones you wont see it outside and sdk doesnt block excessive physbones from uploading an avi, just deletes them

[pearl pebble]

Alright thank you

[plain lava]

anyone know how to toggle just the flying poses but making the main avatar disappear if that makes any sense

[night ember]

Im curious why you are even using a separate mesh for that

[somber sequoia]

huh yeah, that's a strange thing to do

[night ember]

or why you are using fury to do the toggle

[balmy barn]

grab that animation instead and just toggle it whenver its ment to fly

mixamo have a bunch you can use / edit before downloading

[plain lava]

ive seen other avatars do that with outfits where they will have the base outfit and then a second or 3rd outfit and when they toggle the 2nd or 3rd outfit the base one isnt there and it doesnt clip with the other outfits thats what im trying to do here but i dont know how they did it and im trying to see if theres something in vrcfury that can do that

[plain lava]

thats what i did i grabbed one with the arms out and one without the arms out

[night ember]

why not just manually make the toggle?

[plain lava]

wdym

[night ember]

why not just make the toggle yourself instead of relying on fury to make it

[plain lava]

I like fury more I don’t feel like making a toggle manually in my opinion I feel like it would be a hassle to do and I’ve tried it before and it was hard for me so I started using vrcfury it’s more easier for me

[night ember]

making a basic toggle like that only takes like a minute to do

[plain lava]

i still wanna try fury

[ornate stump]

That sounds exactly not the same issue and solution you are looking for. Avatar posing usually is done through action layer, and often customizing gogoloco.

[unreal zephyr]

It turns out I did it... kinda? I got one that properly shows up in VR, but it nuked the left side bones for some reason

[somber sequoia]

argh, computer just crashed while I was weight painting in Blender.

[somber sequoia]

FYI you don't need cats for this

[unreal zephyr]

Please, do tell me more

[sturdy fable]

waaaah i keep running into issue after issue … why is android greyed out

[somber sequoia]

install the android build tools into your unity

[sturdy fable]

I saw something saying make pc version of avatar not visible so i did that and the quest one is there

[sturdy fable]

Where can I find them

[somber sequoia]

well what exactly are you trying to do?

[sturdy fable]

Someone mentioned this on a reddit and said unity hub but theres nowhere to get other stuff

And apparently it has to be the same year version thingy as unity for vrchat

[somber sequoia]

unity hub, gear icon for your editor version

[sturdy fable]

Thank youu

[unreal zephyr]

Mostly just get this avatar working for now, then get VRCfury once its fully functional in VRChat

[somber sequoia]

if you haven't installed unity with unity hub then you can't use this, and you have to find the files in the web archive.

[somber sequoia]

I meant specifically where cats is involved

[unreal zephyr]

Ohh

I've been running into "There's no head bone here" errors when I tried a route with it and mmd tools, and cats was specifically mentioned as being good at mmd avis

[somber sequoia]

.. I have no idea what most of that means. carry on 🙂

[unreal zephyr]

I think its tedious enough to just summarize it as "I tried multiple tutorials, checked with GPT, and this is attempt #3"

[somber sequoia]

oh, I wouldn't expect chat GPT or anything like it to be of much use here.

[unreal zephyr]

yeah I figured after it hallucinated Japanese multiple times

Ok might need that tool, I don't think thats normal at all

[teal laurel]

Wtf are yout bones doing lol

I usually reset everything, configure all the bones and then use pumpkin avatar tools and gogoloco's pose animation to force it back to tpose

Can you also show how your bones are assignd to your avatar?

[sturdy fable]

Wah… trying to install gogoloco

I have vrc fury, its enabled in this project, i downloaded gogoloco and imported it, dragged it into the model thingy in hierarchy but it’s not showing up in vrchat after i upload it

[ornate stump]

You should be putting only either All or Beyond prefab, not both.

[sturdy fable]

Ok, i deleted it - does this look ok? Ill try to upload and see if it shows

[ornate stump]

Ok. Test it.

[ornate stump]

Did you put the proxy controller?

[sturdy fable]

I am not sure what that is so im gonna assume no💔 this is my first time even uploading a model hdjshd

[ornate stump]

The instruction is right there writtn "IMPORTANT".

[sturdy fable]

Its not there - i assume because of the proxy controller thingy

Yeah, i noticed and looked, but im not sure what Avatar Descriptor VF isor where to find the playable layers

[ornate stump]

Avatar descriptor is the component inside of your avatar root object.

[sturdy fable]

Okok i have done it, trying again now

Still doesnt show on the wheel in expressions :(

[ornate stump]

Are you sure you're building for correct platform?

[sturdy fable]

Ahh im not sure what you men

Mean

I have android sdk installed and its available for windows and pc if thats what you mean

Do i have to change gogoloco to android?

[ornate stump]

Between PC and Android build, what it's selected now and what platform you're testing?

[sturdy fable]

Testing on quest, it’s set to pc&android

[ornate stump]

Screenshot the sdk panel showing what settings it has.

[sturdy fable]

Ahh where do I find the sdk panel

I only see vrchat sdk at the top

[ornate stump]

That's where you hit the Build & Publish button.

[sturdy fable]

Thats what you want to see?

[ornate stump]

That entire panel of course..

[sturdy fable]

The alerts are just performance ones

[ornate stump]

Show some at the top of the Alerts as well.

[ornate stump]

Does it show "Multi Platform Upload Successfully" message after it's done?

[sturdy fable]

It just says the upload succeeded

I can see the avatar itself on quest, just no gogoloco

[ornate stump]

When in game, did you change avatar to something else and back to refresh the avatar?

[sturdy fable]

Ill tryy

I closed the game and reopened but ill try switching

Eek im not sure what i did but theres no gogoloco and now his legs dont move when i move the joystick

Im not sure what happened 💔

Ah ok i found this file titled important but dont know what it means

[ornate stump]

Not important if you use vrcfury to install.

[sturdy fable]

Okok

[ornate stump]

Delete the gogoloco prefab from your avatar and put a new one in and test again.

[sturdy fable]

This? Or only the one below it?

[ornate stump]

The one you're selecting.

[sturdy fable]

Okok, deleted, now im gonna drag and drop it back in

It shows grey like this instead of the little green circle it had before

[ornate stump]

Because that's outside of the avatar.

[sturdy fable]

Ohh i dragged it to the top one with the asterisk beside it

Okok

Didnt work and the legs are still not moving when walking

[ornate stump]

Where did you download the gogoloco?

[sturdy fable]

Uh spokeek github.io

[ornate stump]

What spokeek?

[sturdy fable]

I just hit the download zip button there

Im using alcom not vcc

So i couldnt do add to vcc

[ornate stump]

Alcom also has ability to add repository.

[sturdy fable]

Do i also need to add it as a package in alcom?

[ornate stump]

Of course.

[sturdy fable]

Okok, just drag the whole folder into it?

[ornate stump]

No. You add the repository listing in alcom and add package via manage project.

[sturdy fable]

Should I reopen the project? I did that and it says it’s importing it in unity but I’m not sure

[ornate stump]

It will be inside of Packages folder.

[sturdy fable]

Ok i dont think i need to reopen it

I’ll try uploading now

[ornate stump]

Did you even add to the avatar?

[sturdy fable]

It’s still in the folder

[ornate stump]

That isn't a "folder". It's inside of the object.

[sturdy fable]

Ahh ok

[ornate stump]

What you had actually still is the old gogoloco you imported with zip file.

[sturdy fable]

Should I delete it from the model again?

[ornate stump]

Delete the gogoloco-1.8.6 folder, delete the prefab inside the avatar, and add the prefab from the Packages folder.

[ornate stump]

Also replace the proxy controllers in avatar descriptor.

[sturdy fable]

They dont show now when i try to search

Oh nvm its in hidden for some reason

[ornate stump]

Just drag the file in.

[sturdy fable]

Still no

[ornate stump]

Do you actually have vrcfury in your project?

[sturdy fable]

I swear i added it

[ornate stump]

Confirm it by screenshot its existent in the project.

[sturdy fable]

I got a unity package of vrc fury

[sturdy fable]

I’m not sure where to find itt

[ornate stump]

Is in in the Packages folder?

[sturdy fable]

I dont see it anymore

Let me see if i can re add it

[ornate stump]

You should just add via Alcom

The same way as you did you gogoloco.

[sturdy fable]

Its installed but as a unity package

Do i drag it into somewhere?

[ornate stump]

No. Add via Alcom.

[sturdy fable]

It won’t show when i click add package

I think because when downloaded its only a unity package

Not a folder

[ornate stump]

What dialog you're showing?

[sturdy fable]

When clicking add package

[ornate stump]

You have to add Repository. Not adding user package.

[sturdy fable]

I get that when doing this

[ornate stump]

For example if you go https://gogoloco.net/ and click Download Using VCC, what does it show?

[sturdy fable]

It just opens vcc

[ornate stump]

You have both VCC and Alcom installed?

[sturdy fable]

Yes i tried using vcc but it didn’t work and i couldnt figure it out so someone else said just use alcom

[ornate stump]

Those for managing project and packages and won't fix any issue that happens inside of unity.

[sturdy fable]

No no vcc was having issues itself

It wouldn’t open projects at all

Is there no way to put vrcfury into alcom?

[ornate stump]

Click the Add Repository button. Not the dropdown menu to the right of it.

[sturdy fable]

This happens

[ornate stump]

Go to see vrcfury website and see the install instruction which include the repository link.

[sturdy fable]

Okok i think i did it and put it on the project, its importing

Do i have to redo the gogoloco stuff?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[sturdy fable]

Ok its in

Vrc fury is in packages

Do i need to put anything else anywhere?

I deleted and reput gogoloco and the playable layers thing is done

[ornate stump]

Put the same gogoloco back in again.

[sturdy fable]

Upload and check?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[sturdy fable]

Okok

[ornate stump]

Then make sure that you completely remote gogo from your project first, remove package from alcom(not repository) and add back to project.

[sturdy fable]

You want me to delete it from here?

[ornate stump]

If it's inside of Packages folder, you have to delete with Alcom.

[sturdy fable]

Okok

Here?

This is general resources not just the project

[ornate stump]

Delete that.

[sturdy fable]

Okok

Before i add it back

[ornate stump]

And add gogoloco repository instead.

Not User Package.

[sturdy fable]

Ah ok thats what i was gonna ask

Im not sure what link to p it

Ah ok i got it i think

[slender spoke]

How easy is it to adjust an already made asset with like blender or unity for someone whos never made or even rigged an asset before? Because i cant find cat themed thigh highs and ive been looking for hours and found two and neither are what im looking for. i want something i can retexture to match this and I'm getting frustrated. Apologies if this is the wrong place for this question. ||Also sorry if im interrupting but id like to at least send this before i head to bed-||

[sturdy fable]

I added it but not sure what to do now

When i tried to upload it gave this again

[ornate stump]

Did you delete the gogoloco prefab in the avatar and readded?

[sturdy fable]

Is the prefab the hierarchy?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[sturdy fable]

Yess i deleted and readded from the gogoloco in the packages section

[ornate stump]

Did you also delete gogoloco in the Assets folder?

[sturdy fable]

None shows

Do i need to drag vrcfury from packages into the model somewhere?

[ornate stump]

Delete the gogoloco again. From avatar hierarchy first, then remove from project in alcom. Back to unity and verify there is no gogoloco exist, then add gogoloco back and proceed the usual step.

[sturdy fable]

I deleted from the hierarchy and alcom, but its still in packages

[ornate stump]

How did you delete from alcom?

[sturdy fable]

I clicked the X

Remove repository

[ornate stump]

I specifically said Not Repository. Remove from project via manage project.

[sturdy fable]

Oh oh sorry

Ok its removed from the project and ill add it back to repository

Ok its in repository, but not in the project

Its not showing in unity

Add it back to the project now?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[sturdy fable]

Drag the vrcfury beyond one into the model again?

[ornate stump]

Yes. As usual

[sturdy fable]

Ok, its there, and the playable layers are done

No error when publishing this timee

Well its still loading but nothing immediately

Multiplatform upload worked ! Ill test it now

Yesss it worked!! Thank youu

[teal field]

can you do mat swaps as bools?

[ornate stump]

Parameter type doesn't do anything for animation. That means you could just use any kind of parameter to setup transition for animation.

[potent ginkgo]

i need genuine help rn im trying to edit an avi and i am STRUGGLING

im new to this

not too new but new

[somber sequoia]

Provide details, ask specific questions, etc.

[sick loom]

Maybe be more specific?

[potent ginkgo]

adding edits to the avatar as a whole

like idk how to do any of it

like im trying to add other models into the avatar

[somber sequoia]

really hard to help with that info, unfortunately

[potent ginkgo]

can i stream for any of yall?

like in vc

[sick loom]

Can’t you show screenshots?

[potent ginkgo]

yeah but wont it be faster and better? plus im slow with this so it'll take ages

i dont mean to be difficult

[somber sequoia]

If you can find someone willing to sit with you 1 on 1, sure.

if you want help from the channel as a whole though, there's no VC

[sick loom]

that is quite the ask

[potent ginkgo]

im sorry if im being bold but its been like 2 hours 😭

[somber sequoia]

what has been 2 hours?

[potent ginkgo]

since i have been stuck with this problem

[somber sequoia]

oh that's not very long 🙂

[potent ginkgo]

wha..

[somber sequoia]

I've got problems I've been working on for weeks!

[potent ginkgo]

alright sorry

[somber sequoia]

anyway, if you want help from this channel, you'll need to explain a bit.

[potent ginkgo]

okay i figured out how to add the model

now how do i adjust this certain mesh

it wont let me

[somber sequoia]

what do you mean by adjust?

[potent ginkgo]

like lower it or make it smaller or bigger

it wont let me

[somber sequoia]

if it's a separate object you select it and move it around.
if it isn't then you probably have to do that in a modeling program like Blender

[potent ginkgo]

son

im crine

[somber sequoia]

?

[potent ginkgo]

its a joke

[sick loom]

Do you mean like editing its shape?

[potent ginkgo]

yeah

[somber sequoia]

I guess I missed it, no idea what "crine" is

[potent ginkgo]

stupid way to say "crying"

[sick loom]

i assumed you meant “crying”

[potent ginkgo]

new lingo or sum

[somber sequoia]

ahhhh

yeah I guess I only speak english

[sick loom]

had a friend who always used that word

[potent ginkgo]

do i still need blender?

[somber sequoia]

maybe? It's not really clear from that pic what we're dealing with

[sick loom]

Depends what you want to do with it, I guess

[ornate stump]

Some model has Blendshapes for basic shape adjustment in the skinned mesh renderer component. If it doesn't have blendshape, then you have to take it into blender and adjust to your heart content.

[potent ginkgo]

oh well how do i add blend shape?

[somber sequoia]

Blender

[potent ginkgo]

not add sorry

[ornate stump]

Blender.

[potent ginkgo]

check if it has it

[somber sequoia]

In that SkinnedMeshRenderer component, if it had some, you'd see a category dropdown like you do for Materials

[ornate stump]

There will be a section literally written Blendshapes in skinned mesh renderer component.

[sick loom]

I assume there is none

[potent ginkgo]

amazing

that's 800 yen im never getting back

😭

[ornate stump]

That's for a cheap model yet.

[potent ginkgo]

maybe because its for a certain model

[ornate stump]

More versatile model with lot more customizable option costs usually around 5000 yen.

[potent ginkgo]

also you underestmating my brokeness

[ornate stump]

You get what you paid for.

[potent ginkgo]

sob

true

ehhh i'll find a way

[ornate stump]

Blender is the way.

[potent ginkgo]

i got this twin

[sick loom]

atleast salvage it with blender

[potent ginkgo]

okay lovely

now how do i add the outfit 😭

[somber sequoia]

what sort of package is the outfit?

[potent ginkgo]

huh wdym

[ornate stump]

Like did you already have the outfit you want to add?

[potent ginkgo]

its in the project but like idk how to replace it with the avis outfit

[ornate stump]

Have you put it in the scene yet?

[potent ginkgo]

yes

[ornate stump]

Does it fit your avatar?

[potent ginkgo]

yes

[ornate stump]

https://vrcfury.com/tutorials/linking-clothes

If you don't have vrcfury then follow installation instruction.

[potent ginkgo]

o

alright thanks twin

[wheat gyro]

Hey, I get huge lag and stuttering on JP servers. Anyone know how to fix this?

[ornate stump]

That should be a question for #1138891887374237706

[wheat gyro]

How long does it usually take for a response?

[ornate stump]

That's a community supported, answered by other players so there is no time estimated.

[clear nebula]

im eating only sardines this month bc I didnt like mamehinata and got kipfel afterwards

[somber sequoia]

tasty, high in protein, omega 3 fatty acids... not a bad plan.

[clear nebula]

and cheap

[somber sequoia]

very

(I like the ones in mustard sauce)

[clear nebula]

never tried

I'll try tonight

I was thinking if I could make 4 kemono ear on my avatar

idk if it would look strange

btw if I wanna merge 2 object in one I need to do it on blender or is there any other alternative?

[trim prism]

anyone got any tips for adding a head to a body? bassically i got this booth model but i wanna add a different western head to it. would i do that in blender?

[somber sequoia]

definitely blender

[trim prism]

oh ok, i did try in blender but it looks really messed up in unity! i joined the meshes then connected the neck by pressing "m" and "connect at center". the head matarial is like this... but the body material works fine

[somber sequoia]

yeah looks like really materials there

[trim prism]

i got no clue how to fix that or what i did wrong lol... i just assumed it would work if i joined it?

[balmy barn]

new vertices without fixing uv they are somewhere on the texture

cant tell but ive seen that a few times when i do it

[trim prism]

how do i fix the uv?

yea i just hit "connect at center" idk how it works really but it worked

[somber sequoia]

Blender of course, it really depends on what "fix" you mean

[balmy barn]

select that part in blender and look at your uv/texture

merge by center shouldnt do that tho, usually when you fill something you get funny uv's

[trim prism]

yea its like this in blender

[trim prism]

i got no clue, whatever one you suggest

[teal field]

would turning off physbones when theyre not in use help performance? like when you have multiple hairs

[somber sequoia]

I really don't have a suggestion since I'm not working with this model myself.

I think the goal would be a single material for the whole body and head

[ornate stump]

It of course helps.

[trim prism]

oooh would that fix the wierd uv? i can try that

[somber sequoia]

no, that would not fix a uv map in any way

[trim prism]

oh, im trying to fix that, idk how

[somber sequoia]

reworking the uv map would be part of setting it up for one material

[teal field]

thanks

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to decide how you want to rework the textures from two objects into one.

[balmy barn]

exsample of a fill and you get a funny uv and texture lines, look familiar?

select that part of neck and look at your uv & texture

[trim prism]

yea! i get that too i think

i can start again if its a pain to fix idm

[balmy barn]

easiest way to headswap , keep part of the neck and merge there, much easier to align vertices and sudden change of hue

[trim prism]

ooh yea, i tried joinen the vertices by the neck but idk i hit join at center

joining*

[crimson plover]

at this point i do not know what im doing wrong,
ive got 2 animation clips for volume 1 and volume 0,
using a blendtree between the two, paramter names are matched, radial toggle is put on,

but it just doesnt work, the volume keeps staying locked at 0 no matter what

[somber sequoia]

what is shown in those images looks fine

[crimson plover]

everything ive tried searching leads me directly to this, and it doesnt work

[somber sequoia]

animator layer weight is 1?

[crimson plover]

theres full controller on the main object with the menu, animation controller, and parameter list, the object with the audio source has an animator on it linked to the controller,
the layers weight is 1 and set to overrride

i know the controller itself is set up fine because the other animation layer works fine to switch between sound files, i just dont know whats up with the volume control

[somber sequoia]

I wonder if that's a property that can be changed at runtime?

[crimson plover]

which one?

the volume?

[somber sequoia]

yeah

[crimson plover]

ive tried manually sliding it in play mode, its locked at 0 as soon as i start

so the animation is kinda working, but its just keeping it locked at 0

i put this in for the blendtree's layer, for the any-state i turned off self transition

[somber sequoia]

why use anystate there?

if that's the only state in the layer, you don't need that anystate transition

[crimson plover]

oh

[somber sequoia]

remove the motion time if you're using a blendtree

that's for doing the "offset within a clip" method

you do either-or

[crimson plover]

ok took that off, still not working

but i did just find something, the soundboard volume layer isnt even showing up in gesture manager debug menu

only the sound selection layer

[somber sequoia]

fury problems 🙁

[crimson plover]

?

[somber sequoia]

I find working with it kinda frustrating.

I generally try not to

[crimson plover]

the only vrcfury i have on this whole soundboard thing is the full controller itself

[balmy barn]

can confirm, audio slider work ingame so its a thing you can change , range i think is clamped cause i remember trying to change that (world world , avatar didnt)

[balmy barn]

i also dont touch vrcfury

ive seen the mess it make of controller and leave some states always running instead of once

[somber sequoia]

I only use it if I have to, like on stuff I'm giving/selling, or the face tracking prefab, 'cause I don't want to try to recreate that

[crimson plover]

so you, both think its the full controller causing this

[balmy barn]

on clue what the animation say

[crimson plover]

?

the soundboard selection layer works fine and shows in gesture manager

[balmy barn]

audio volume thing , work

[crimson plover]

i know it works, otherwise animations would be nearly useless

ok so if it is vrcfury doing it, how do i do it Without vrcfury?

[somber sequoia]

put the animator layer directly into your avatar's fx controller

[livid river]

Is there a way to make the metallics look like how they do in the game screenshot?

[crimson plover]

ok so i think i found the issue as well, i was doing one last test before trying that,
i dont think my parameters are working right

[somber sequoia]

that looks pretty decent to me

[livid river]

The hands and cloth around it look like they're lubricated compared to the in game screeenshot

[crimson plover]

oh yea thats definitly it, the parameter in the expression file isnt synced with the one in the animator

[somber sequoia]

oh - probably use more roughness / less smoothness in those areas

[crimson plover]

even though they have the same name?...

[somber sequoia]

If you use fury, it renames stuff like this by default, you'd have to mark those parameters as global to keep the names

(where? no idea, I've just read that it's a thing)

[crimson plover]

just weird that its doing that to the volume one, since the select one has no problems

[onyx narwhal]

My avatar upload is stuck and won't move

I have this WMI error but apparently it shouldn't affect trhe upload

I'm having the same exact issue

[ornate stump]

You are in prefab editing mode, and sdk doesn't like that.

[daring mountain]

is there any raycast overlay ingame for debugging

[balmy barn]

all i know my av3 dont like it, have to use gesturemanager

[crimson plover]

i think i figured it out now,
vrcfury was doing its thing, renaming one of my parameters with VF130_, but not the other

[mint silo]

im getting this error:
VRCFury encountered an error.

Failed to build VRCFury component: FullControllerBuilder.Apply on VF_ARKit_VRCFT/VF_EyeRotation

You're missing some files needed for this VRCFury asset. Are you sure you've imported all the packages needed? Here are the files that are missing:

Packages/adjerry91.vrcft.templates/Animators/Eye Rotation/Para - Eye Rotation.asset
Packages/adjerry91.vrcft.templates/Animators/Eye Rotation/Additive - Eye Tracking - Eye Rotation.controller

(Exception in Apply at FullControllerBuilder.cs:145:21)****

[wispy spear]

I figured it out, you need to drag the prefab to the left up corner, not just double click it at the bottom

[onyx narwhal]

Doesn’t work

[wispy spear]

try open it again and do it

[wispy spear]

from the bottom to the upleft corner

[onyx narwhal]

I can’t drag it anywhere

I just have the 🚫

How do I get out of prefab editing mode

I click this arrow?

[gaunt knoll]

Yep

[onyx narwhal]

It just goes here

[gaunt knoll]

You also have to drag the whole file in not just the components you want

[onyx narwhal]

Ohhh

Ok

I think it’s going to work now

[fallow kestrel]

Hello, I'm new to avatar creation but I'd really like to get into it. If someone could please help, how do I apply a makeup texture? I've tried tutorials but the furthest I've gotten is no difference or making it look corrupted.

The first image is the normal face, and the second is how it looks when I try apply the texture. Creepy

[crimson plover]

ok so, vrcfury was renaming my expression parameter and causing it to unlink from the animation,
i went into the vrcfury full controller and make it a global variable so it doesnt rename it,
and now it still will not link the animator parameter and vrc expression parameter's together

like, the two loudness variables should be linked should they not? especially if the soundboard select variable is working perfectly fine

[candid osprey]

I've heard rumors of a new blender addon or tool that helps fit clothes onto an avatar its not meant for, far easier than it has been so far. Is this true?

[somber sequoia]

can't say I've seen something like that that's actually useful

[stone trellis]

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2046112831989575960 Can anyone tell me how this is achieved? I know raycasts are essential for this, but are constraints used? If so, what kind?

[hollow mountain]

How's rigging with VRC work for stuff with unusual armatures? Trying to make an avi from this model of Andy from Undead Unluck but it's got a weirdly detailed setup for the shoulders for example. It's got a joint for the clavicle, one for the regular shoulder bit, and a weird midsection one that makes no sense and I can't explain it.

[balmy barn]

figure out what the bone do, merge , some have 2 bones and you will need to straighten those out

some are twist/rotation ones wich can be kept arms/legs handy to avoid making it fold in on itself

[hollow mountain]

I'm really not sure what half of these do honestly. There's usually two for every major joint it looks like. When I rotate one, it just moves a small disc of the joint. The other actually does the moving of the child bones if that makes sense, lemme get more detailed screenshots. I'm just not really sure of the purpose of the 'secondary' bones since the models 'folding' looks identical before and after.

By default it has this god awful mess of random crap. Ignore the big ones off to the side, there was a wood crate that I'd guess was meant to be able to break apart

[candid osprey]

How do I have a contact sender move identical to the physbone it is attached to, and preferably, have it the exact shape as the physbone?

[hollow mountain]

I'd assume you'd bind the sender to the bone(s) the physbone itself is slapped on?

[candid osprey]

I have placed the sender on the same bone as the physbone, while also giving it the same root transform as the physbone's root transform

[hollow mountain]

You may have to make one of those deals where it's a group of like 10 small senders for the shape, I don't mess with that stuff at all so I wouldn't exactly know.

Still really don't know why we can't have 'vacuum formed' hitboxes for that stuff at least on PC.

[somber sequoia]

FYI you only need either of those things, not both.

[candid osprey]

What? A physbone or a sender?

[somber sequoia]

Putting the physbone component on a bone and using the root transform slot.

(same for a VRC constraint)

[candid osprey]

Ah.

[somber sequoia]

(not saying this fixes your issue)

[candid osprey]

(Sadly does not. I want to make a contact sender that is identical in movement and shape to my physbone.)

[somber sequoia]

I've done this before, just as you said, both components on the same transform, same sizes.

[candid osprey]

Is there no way to have the shape auto-match the physbone?

The shape of the contact sender

[somber sequoia]

not that I now of

[candid osprey]

Drat.

[somber sequoia]

I mean, not without scripting that at build-time

[hollow mountain]

Ah I think I perhaps figured out what's with the random bones.

[proper fjord]

substance 3d

[hollow mountain]

I'm guessing it's because the characters whole 'bit' is he's unkillable. So those are for mangling him up a bit.

Gonna see if I can find some gameplay of the mobile game the model is from so I can get a better understanding

[hollow mountain]

What about it?

[proper fjord]

im getting lost on the baking part xd

[hollow mountain]

Whatcha baking? I'm bored and wouldn't mind you screensharing if it's tricky to explain lol

[proper fjord]

omg your finna bless me frfr

a jacket

[hollow mountain]

Alright, mind if I DM ya?

[proper fjord]

yah your good

[charred epoch]

SO I recently made a copy of an avi I have, and when I go to change the account signed in, it affects both the copy and the original at the same time

In VCC, two seperate project folders and files

[limber bison]

how do I make one of these on my avi?

[night ember]

its just a type of menu setting you can pick

[pine valley]

it'll be either the two-axis or four-axis puppet

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/expression-menu-and-controls/#types-of-controls

[hexed aspen]

I can send a video here. This is what it says whenever I enter play mode inside of Unity.

[jagged thorn]

how do you recreate this with raycasting

[night ember]

physbones

[slow briar]

How do you share avatar links from the website?

Nvm got it

[pseudo spoke]

Did VRChat Avatar Expression Menu get changed recently? I noticed the Radial Puppet's parameter works differently now. It doesn't do the same with my older avatars but newer ones do.
Previously the way how it worked is when you opened Radial Puppet, it would turn off the parameter that you have assigned in there.
Now the parameter turns on when menu is open and turns off when menu is closed.

I know a fix would be just using Parameter Drivers, but it's such a hassle to deal with. I wish there was a way to modify that parameter value inside the Radial Puppet

[unreal zephyr]

You're probably asleep by now, but here

[rigid sequoia]

anyone knows how to use physbones without forces? so basically have bones affected by colliders but without being affected by forces (pull, momentum, stiffness...)

[frigid nymph]

im running into a problem with the creator companion it wolnt let me open it idk if this is just my computer but its just saying it cant pull it up

im trying to work on my avatar and its flat out just saying i cant use it like idk what it is

nvr mind figured it out i need to update my unity stuffs

[gray pewter]

not sure what you were seeing before, its definitely supposed to turn the param on when you open the menu and off when you close it, its always been that way.

[timber copper]

Not sure exactly what's happening, all of my bones are mapped correctly yet it isn't saying my character is in a t-pose. It greys out the setting I need to see to test its movement properly. Any ideas on what is going on?

[gray pewter]

pose > reset, pose > enforce tpose

[timber copper]

Done, but I still can't use the Muscles & settings tab for some reason.

Snaps out of the enforced post if I hit 'apply' and 'done' too.

Figured it out. I turned off bone stripping and that seemed to fix it.

[mint badge]

hey im trying to optimize my avi rn by del parts of the body mesh you cant see under the clothing and i just cant rly get everything to work
first i tried to just replace the body mesh with the armature after rerigging it wich kinda worked but the coliders got fucked up and the facial animations stopped working
then i starting from scretch n editng a new fbx fine n after del what i wanted to del and importing into unity the camera is way to high for some reason

and the cloth and hair physbones stopped working wich is fine bc im not using that anyways

[unreal zephyr]

Going off of that ss and this, can I get help with how to get the bones connected properly?

[chilly solar]

how on earth do you make one of those fluffy tails like the rex has? i cant for the life of me figure out the best way to do it

[silk glacier]

show a reference?

[chilly solar]

like this?

[silk glacier]

hard to tell from the reoslution, but it looks like Its a tecnique called cards.

theres a fluff 2d texture drawn on a plane, or a card, and that card is shaped and repeated over the tail to create an illusion of layering

Do me a favour and click wireframe view

[chilly solar]

yes yes i thought so, im just not sure how to go about placing them all?

[chilly solar]

this is a screenshot of a screenshot lmfao so i cant rn

[silk glacier]

its not as simple as placing them. it takes practice to "place" them, but its usualy planed in the modeling and UVing phase.

[chilly solar]

so what should i do?

[silk glacier]

there isnt an answer. the answer is get better at UVing and texturing.

ive been doing avatar work/world work for like 8 years and I still find fluff like that intimidating

you could research tecniques to making hair cards. or how they did it in ps2/360 era

since cards are an old tecnique

[chilly solar]

is there other ways to make a tail similar to this? i saw a method using geometry nodes which i thought of first but im not sure how to use it. id have to take some time to learn which is okay

i also thought like, can i make a high poly base and sort of pull out random verts to get a bunch of fur bits? then i could even make it a blend shape so i can texture the smooth base and then the fur can be pulled out with the blend shape? idk if those are dumb choices ive just never done this kinda thing before and im trying to find an easy ish way to do it

[silk glacier]

absolutly not. it will look bad and be terrible on performance. the easiest fur possible is to make a low poly "bulky" tail, and use liltoons fur shader

https://github.com/lilxyzw/lilToon

lil fur is aparently also apart of poiyomi, so ive just learned

[chilly solar]

its okay ill figure it out somehow

[somber sequoia]

This is the way it's been in the 4ish years I've been doing this.

[faint monolith]

Anybody good at using substane painter for vrchat texturing on models?

[somber sequoia]

kinda?

[faint monolith]

could i get some help

as in like befriending you for calling and stuff

been trying to texture an avatar for months and have never figured it out

especially with importing it into unity being a big problem

[somber sequoia]

I don't do calls

[faint monolith]

oh that sucks

is it okay if i call and you can mute while i stream or just as in physically cannot be in a call

[somber sequoia]

... no

it's not "cannot" it's more of "will not without being paid"

but if you have specific questions, lots of people in here might be able to answer.

[faint monolith]

ahhh

That's okay

But like i need help getting the unity file for a mayu avatar to be put into substance painter

[junior crag]

how would i get rid of the inner foot so it doesnt poke through

[somber sequoia]

blender, unless the model has shape keys to hide it

[junior crag]

would i need to download anything into blender, i havent messed with blender for vrc yet.

[unreal zephyr]

Yooo Kazin I'm back if you're willing to help again

[somber sequoia]

?

[unreal zephyr]

⬆️

[somber sequoia]

what does that mean

[unreal zephyr]

I managed to get everything working, but I don't know how to setup the bones so animations work, if that makes sense

[somber sequoia]

is it a humanoid avatar?

[unreal zephyr]

Yes

[somber sequoia]

then all the bones are setup so animations work

[unreal zephyr]

Then why is my avi in a fetal position ingame? That's in the mirror, first person looks like the default tpose

[somber sequoia]

I'm working on no backstory, explain what you are doing

[unreal zephyr]

I'm trying to get a mmd avi working from blender using CATS, but I have pretty much no experience working with this kinda stuff

[junior crag]

i edited it in blender but do not know how to replace the original avatar with this version and keep all the accesories

[somber sequoia]

write over the .fbx

[unreal zephyr]

I believe that there's issues with its bones being very complex, but idk how to make them work

[somber sequoia]

that's all, unless you did weird things before, like unpacking the avatar prefab

[unreal zephyr]

Any other things I need to explain?

[junior crag]

the body is gone now

[somber sequoia]

then you used a different setting for "Apply Scalings" in the blender export dialog than were previously used

I suggest using "FBX All" unless you know it should be otherwise

[junior crag]

nevermind i guess im stupid

when i tried deleting the foot i deleted the entire body without realizing somehow

ok now

i dont kno where to go to delete individual parts

is it vertex groups?

[somber sequoia]

no - if the "part" isn't a separate object, then you'll have to edit the mesh to delete what you want

[junior crag]

thanks its fixed now

theres these weird light spots on the foot now though

[chilly solar]

i did it chat, i made the tail. ashtray always figures it out somehow

[somber sequoia]

hey that's nice

[sly orbit]

psst how do i make the top one rgba like the bottom one (they use the same material)

[unreal zephyr]

Is there a better place for me to get help with my specific issue? Not sure what I'm doing wrong

[somber sequoia]

dunno, I'm not sure what your issue is so it's hard to suggest much

[unreal zephyr]

I mean its mostly just "How do I simplify this bone structure" if that helps

[somber sequoia]

ah, so rigging

[mortal parrot]

specular/metalness too high + normals need adjusting

[unreal zephyr]

Now that we have that clarified, here's the setup rn

I'm assuming that's way too many

[somber sequoia]

looks good

[junior crag]

what the hell happened

this is pc view

wait...

isnt this the pos of the camera in unity?

womp

it umm imported the camera and light from the scene since i didnt delete them

[unreal zephyr]

Not according to the control panel

[somber sequoia]

yeah it seems to not like your armature

or the mapping

[unreal zephyr]

So then how do I fix those?

[somber sequoia]

make sure the right things are in the mapping slots

[unreal zephyr]

I believe they are? Already optimized the hell out of them

[severe anchor]

Can I help you

[storm granite]

Heyy, I’m having an issue with a modified avatar. I received an avatar copy of another one and it has the same FX layer, expression menu, and parameters, but the toggles aren’t working.

The weird part is:
Body blendshape toggles work fine
But clothing toggles (like hoodie on/off or shoes) don’t work at all
The animations look correct (they reference things like blendshapes and GameObject active states that exist in the avatar)

I already tried recreating the animations by selecting the modified avatar and reassigning them, but no luck.

Everything is in the same place as the original avatar (which works perfectly), and all clothes are children of the avatar.

Any idea what could be causing this?

[heavy zephyr]

We'd need to see the setup most likely.

[storm granite]

Of the FX layer?

or everything?

[heavy zephyr]

Most likely everything? It could be anything : wrong parameter list, missing animation references, wrong menu setup, some vrcfury fuckery on upload...

[storm granite]

In this example i'm trying to make the toggle for the sucubbus outfit in the first and second image, everything in the animator and parameters seems in order to me, maybe the animations are greyed out because they're not linked? This uses a VRCFury Blendshape Link in the fourth image.

Sorry for the image spam 🙏

[heavy zephyr]

Could you do me a favor and drop your FX controller in the animator component on your avatar root? Then select your avatar THEN in the animation tab, select that animation in the list. That should show you if the properties are being referenced properly or not.

[storm granite]

You mean this list ?

[heavy zephyr]

Yes

Wait, why do you appear to have 2 copies of the same avatar in one?

[storm granite]

This is how it looks like, I'm hovering the mouse over it nothing appears

[storm granite]

One is a belly my client added

oh man... it could be a conflict of names?

Let me delete that just to try

[heavy zephyr]

It's just, you shouldn't have 2 avatars under 1 object.

That simply won't work

[storm granite]

It's not an avatar, it's a mesh of a belly with a blendshape that the client modified himself.

I tried deleting it but didn't change a thing 🙁

[heavy zephyr]

Alright then let's keep going through the list of suspects, what about your synced parameter list? What about the menu?

[storm granite]

The last image are the Parameters

and the outfit one that's connected to the sucubus

[heavy zephyr]

Looks good to me mhm...

[storm granite]

Ikkkk right 😢?!!!

[heavy zephyr]

Last thing I could think about is some vrcfury tomfoolery but at that point-

Tried baking an editor-only copy?

[storm granite]

wdym :o?

[low roost]

My avatar is invisible and doesn't show up.

[heavy zephyr]

There's a button under tools -> vrcfury I think that creates a copy of your avatar after vrcfury has run all it's upload steps

[storm granite]

It can be various things, maybe you don't have the material, or you broke the rig

[heavy zephyr]

Could be useful to see any weird things happening

[storm granite]

I would reset the rig, in the humanoid config

[low roost]

how i do that ?

[storm granite]

In your Avatar's fbx/prefab, select the rig

[low roost]

that ?

[storm granite]

could be but

did u bought this avatar?

probably you're lacking the material

do you know if it uses poiyomi?

[low roost]

I got it from the internet

[west fable]

does anyone know how to fix this

[low roost]

I don't know, but the videos that taught how to download avatars said to put this in, so I did

[wanton cedar]

Sorry for the awful wording. Would adding parent constraints to 5 extra eyes and parenting them to the normal 2 eyes make them work like the normal eyes? (Normal eyes = normal human eyes and location.) I'd just need to lock it to only be rotation, yes?

[stuck oxide]

if i want to delete an armature in blender but keep the object in the same place how would i do that?

[wraith saffron]

Would love some feedback and suggestions for the eye colour. Also please don't ask to look at my photoshop layers for this. xD

[fiery void]

deng, looks good

[minor trail]

Ooooo I really like the eyes

[knotty river]

10/10 adorable

[stoic bobcat]

any shaders use two different blend modes? I have a texture that makes a cutout and a transparency blend but im only able to do one, and im trying to keep my avatar optimized so it doesnt have a lot of meshes and materials

[ember surge]

So none of my uploaded avis aren't showing on content manager

[real whale]

How do i add the poiyomi in Creator Companion i have the files in .unity

[teal laurel]

https://www.poiyomi.com/download

Click add to vcc there

If that doesn't work copy this url and add it manually

https://poiyomi.github.io/vpm/index.json

[untold bridge]

Could anyone help me or point me in the direction of a tutorial? I am trying to make my Avatar (Tiger Mafia's Vernid) have two different colored eye/heterochromia but it only has one eye texture that is used for both eyes. I am extremely new to blender but I'm trying to figure out how to make it so I can texture them separately. I tried asking in the avatar creator's discord but haven't gotten any help so I'd reallly really appreciate some guidance.

[raw venture]

Can u guys help me?

idk how to fix this

[teal laurel]

Don't use lights if not needed

-# the one Pixel part though uhhh, i sadly have too little experience about

[gentle iris]

i keep getting this issue, used to upload correctly but now keeps giving me this and i did nothing

changed the version of vrcfury and d4rks optimizer and it works now

[zealous pine]

Hey so my avatar on quest has barely anything on it and all the textures are not great and its still too big file size for quest even though I see multiple people have the same base with way more on the quest model. Can anybody help me?

[sick loom]

Does the model have versions for each platform?

[zealous pine]

It doesn't unfortunately, I've been using vrcquesttools to convert the pc to quest version but I've done a lot of optimizing and its still too big

[uneven bough]

can vrc fury be used to replace my avatar's whole model? i got some new blendshapes and topology added to my avatar and it got complelty screwed up after i uploaded it

[mint silo]

I still need help with this

even updated vrcfury and it still comes up with this error

[mint silo]

now im getting this:
Error while saving Prefab: 'Assets/prefab-id-v1_avtr_61d89670-96be-451a-91a6-78cd67aeb103_7957688463.prefab'. You are trying to save a Prefab with a missing script. This is not allowed.
Please change the script or remove it from the GameObject 'RURU(Clone)'.
UnityEditor.PrefabUtility:SaveAsPrefabAsset (UnityEngine.GameObject,string)
VRC.SDK3.Builder.VRCAvatarBuilder:ExportCurrentAvatarResource (UnityEngine.Object,bool,bool,string&,System.Action1<string>,System.Action1<object>)
VRC.SDK3.Builder.VRCAvatarBuilder:ExportAvatarBlueprint (UnityEngine.GameObject)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<Build>d__141:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:2854)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext:ExecuteTasks ()

[balmy barn]

missing script add whatever it requires

[indigo compass]

Not VRCFury, but you can use PumkinsAvatarTools, which allows you to copy the avatar descriptor, prefabs and stuff added to the avatar from another avatar.

But new blendshapes and topology won't break an avatar unless you exported it wrong (something you can only guess at unless told by whoever exported it first), if the "armature" is scaled to 100,100,100 then export with "local only" in Blender, if 1,1,1 then "FBX All".

[indigo compass]

You need to download Adjerry's VRCFT template https://github.com/Adjerry91/VRCFaceTracking-Templates

[mint silo]

I already added that still getting Build Failed

[indigo compass]

Getting this now instead?

[mint silo]

i removed the one missing script and trying to find if theres others

[indigo compass]

How many changes have you done to the base avatar?
Missing scripts generally aren't there for no reason and sometimes importing the correct thing won't "find" those missing scripts.

I would try making double sure that I have every dependencies that the base avatar and whatever assets ask for then reimporting the base avatar and only replacing the necessary bits, which would be the avatar's scene and, if there are any, the .prefab files.

[mint silo]

Theres 44 missing scripts ;-;

[indigo compass]

Yeah, even if you just removed those, something would definitely still be broken.

[balmy barn]

where is this av from , most says what you need to import

[uneven bough]

i did use pumkins to export it and it still got stuck in t pose with it's view completely fucked

[indigo compass]

Did you setup the rigging and did you accidentally export the Blender camera as well?

[uneven bough]

i just used my current avatar profile for the new model and no i didn't export the blender camera

[indigo compass]

That doesn't answer whether you setup the rigging again, copying from your old fbx wouldn't work since the export seems to have been different.

[uneven bough]

the new model uses the exact same rig as the old model

[indigo compass]

Ok, should have asked this earlier, what do you mean "completely screwed up after upload"?

[uneven bough]

after i uploaded it when it loaded in game it was stuck in T pose and the view position was so messed up i couldn't even see my menus when opening them

[indigo compass]

If you just put the fbx straight into the scene without using pumkin tools and give it a basic avatar descriptor (you just need to give it the correct eye height) what happens then?

To me it still sounds like you have a stray camera that followed along overriding your view and that the rigging is messed up in some way, would be helpful if you could take a screenshot of what you set in the "Rig" tab on the avatar fbx.

[uneven bough]

i fixed that error by renaming this new model's armature.001 to just armature like in the old one, don't know why it's showing up again

[indigo compass]

You renamed it inside Blender or inside Unity?
Inside Unity doesn't work.

[uneven bough]

oh shit could that be what completely messed it up?

please tell me there's a quick way to fix this

[indigo compass]

Just renaming the armature in Blender and exporting again would fix it.

[uneven bough]

without having to re-add all the vrc fury stuff i added to it?

[indigo compass]

Using pumkin tools to copy stuff over would still be for the best.
But if you didn't unpack the avatar then I am fairly sure things should work.

Just overwrite the fbx

[mint silo]

I mightve solved the issue

[gaunt knoll]

yeah you added vrc fury

[umbral tusk]

How do i test the new VRC raycast? i wanna use a surface to test the raycast on my hat if it functions correctly

[mint silo]

ive had vrcfury, i didnt have Modular and BD_'s

[uneven bough]

still giving me this even after i re scaled it in blender

[indigo compass]

Is just a guess, but would assume you exported as "Local Only" "All Local".
But at this point I feel like it would just be a whole lot easier if you just recreated the rig, manually copying over the bone mappings, within that menu.

[uneven bough]

it's giving me those errors no matter what apply scalings setting i set for export

[indigo compass]

Well then I do suggest you just create your own avatar definition instead of copying from that other avatar.

Take screenshots of the avatar definition of "1Avatar" and just manually make them the same, should work then,

[uneven bough]

i have no idea how to do that please tell me i don't have to manually copy over all it's over 100 bones or something

[indigo compass]

No, it is way simpler than that.
If you go to the same Rig tab on the base avatar, you will find there being a "Configure" button, clicking that will bring you to a screen where the humanoid bones have been defined, what the legs, arms, head, spine, feet and hand bones are, stuff that needs to be explicitly told.

The "humanoid bones" are how VRChat knows what bones to move.

You just need to take a screenshot of them and make sure that they look the same on your new FBX.

Most of the bones will autopopulate

The reason why we have to go into the configure tab is because the automatic system setting all the bones could be wrong.
You generally never want the Jaw bone being bound for example, with some avatars it might choose the wrong eye bones.

Sometimes it also gets the spine structure wrong.

But you are only really checking that everything is in order and fixing like 5-10 bones total, which is as easy as dragging and dropping the right bone on the left into the field on the right.

[uneven bough]

so instead of copying the definition from my current avatar just create one from my new model and make sure it matches the current one?

how do i do that then?

[indigo compass]

Simple, instead of having it "Copy from other avatar" you set it to something create from current avatar or something

You then click apply

And then click the configure button

Where you can check the definitions.

[uneven bough]

this is what i was worried about, since it's a full body ark raptor avatar it uses constraints for some of it's bones for the humanoid bones to puppeteer so it still stands like a raptor

[indigo compass]

As long as you didn't click enforce t-pose or something the base avatar probably looks the same

Do really check how that one looks before you think something is wrong

helps settle the mind

[uneven bough]

this is my new model

[indigo compass]

Yeah, check the old one

You need to screenshot the human looking display (not actually the display, it doesn't matter, but) and everything below it (scroll down) for the new model anyway

[uneven bough]

here's how the old one looks

[indigo compass]

Does the new one have all the bones it is supposed to have?

It looks like it only has the humanoid bones, but none of the raptor bones.

[uneven bough]

how do i tell?

[indigo compass]

Left side of screen holds the hierarchy of all the bones, which bones connect to which basically, just check if both the new and old have a similar amount of bones.

From the screen above it doesn't seem like the new one does.

Which is curious when it is the same model.
Assuming the bones aren't just not visible for some reason, did you export using CATS or something?

[indigo compass]

Actually, could you show the left side you cropped out here?
I want to personally compare how the armatures look

[uneven bough]

seams like the old and new have the same amount of bones but i can't be certain cause there's too many to fit on my monitor lol

[indigo compass]

Treading outside what I really know now, special rigs like this I have intentionally kept the same as to not break anything I couldn't fix. If there is a community, discord, for this model I would suggest asking there instead as someone there likely will have edited it before.

But as a last thread to pull on, how does the avatar look in Blender before you export?

[uneven bough]

think we should try copying the definition from the old model again? is there a way to find out exactly what export settings we need so there's no errors?

cause i have no idea what the export settings for the old model were

[indigo compass]

Well that's positive, then things are most likely going wrong during exporting most likely.

[indigo compass]

Not really, can only guess on most things, other things there is nothing to go off.

I would suggest exporting with these exact settings

[uneven bough]

and keep the model's scale 1 1 1?

[indigo compass]

Choosing FBX All is just the safe option because it is what most models should be exported as.

I may have missunderstood what you meant

Yes, keep it 1,1,1

[uneven bough]

and the stuff under animation?

[indigo compass]

As far as I know they shouldn't matter, you could turn it off entirely.

[somber sequoia]

Leave everything default except Apply Scalings and uncheck the leaf bones checkbox

[uneven bough]

still getting those mis match errors

[somber sequoia]

if you re-scaled, you'll get mismatch issues, set the rig to generic, apply, then redo the humanoid setup.

[uneven bough]

still got errors, did i screw up the order? what's the exact order i need to do that in

[indigo compass]

@somber sequoia To catch you up to speed with the issue.
How it should look #avatar-help message

How it looks #avatar-help message

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what errors you mean or what you're ordering

oh interesting

[indigo compass]

Exporting from blender puts it into a t-pose

[somber sequoia]

er

well yes, it should put the humanoid armature into t-pose, is it not like that in blender?

that matches you

[indigo compass]

#avatar-help message

It is one of those special rigs

[somber sequoia]

rotation constraints to the lizard rig?

[indigo compass]

Seems so from what I have gathered

From what I know of those rigs the humanoid upper body in this case shouldn't even be weight painted to anything

[uneven bough]

yeah it uses constraints to puppeteer some of the raptor bones with the humanoid bones so it still stands like a raptor

[somber sequoia]

I'm assuming "raptor spine" is exactly what it says? If so, looks like you have the raptor bones in the rig setup instead of the humanoid bones there

[uneven bough]

should i just try assigning the correct bones to the new model's definition? is there a way to copy and paste the mapping from the old to the new?

[indigo compass]

You could try and no way to copy paste them.

I do still worry about why the pose is different, it shouldn't, those bones shouldn't even have weights.

[somber sequoia]

Yes, you should assign the correct bones.

The issue is that Unity takes a guess, and one of the criteria it uses is "bone has mesh weighted to it". In your case there's none