avatar-help

[uneven bough]

k, now before i start recording since i already have my audio's far maxed out for vrchat at my avatar's default size do i need to figure out what it's default height is and put that info into the recording? what if i wanna tweak it later?

[ornate stump]

You will have to record 2 keyframes: one is minimum range when avatar is at smallest (0.2meter), and second is maximum range when avatar is at tallest(5meter).

[uneven bough]

to clarify what i mean is if i do all this and get the audio to scale in game but it's far setting ends up being too high for me at the avatar's default size and i want to change it from 40 to 20 for example will it then auto recalibrate and scale the audio with the new settings without me having to go back and redo all this animation stuff?

[ornate stump]

To adjust you have to only do the recording part again.

[ornate stump]

If someone DM you and offer avatar service, that's definitely a scammer.

[uneven bough]

alright then i'm just gonna make it 40 at 5 meters and 1.6 at 0.2 meters, so i'm assuming i just hit record to add a keyframe but i'm ussuming i have to actually scale my avatar to 0.2 meters and 5 meters for the min and max range right? also i just realized the near setting would also have to change with avatar scale so how do i do that as well?

[ornate stump]

You don't have to scale your avatar to record. And you do recording the same way for Near.

[uneven bough]

ah ok, well since i currently have the far setting at 40 at my avatar's default size i'm assuming i'll need to find out my avatar's default height (is there a way to quickly check that in unity?) then do some math to find out what the far setting should be for default height right?

[ornate stump]

Avatar default size doesn't matter. What only matter is the range when the avatar is at minimum size, and maximum size.

Hence I said: 2 keyframes: when at minimum, and when at maximum.

[uneven bough]

oh so it just automatically set's it to 40 at 5m and 1.6 at 0.2m?

[ornate stump]

It will do that when setting up for the logic in the next part.

[uneven bough]

ah ok, now u said the near setting will be recorded the same way but i set it's sphere to reach the ground cause my audio is a sound that's suppose to come from a spot on my avatar and the ground but only has a single source so what about that?

[ornate stump]

You just record the same audio source into the same animation clip.

[uneven bough]

k now before i start recording should i have my audio source prefab checked? what about it's parent?

[ornate stump]

Doestn't matter.

[zinc forge]

Can you see other people's favourite avatars?

[ornate stump]

No.

[uneven bough]

k now how do i actually do this lol

[ornate stump]

Take some 5 minutes to try first, or watch the video.

[uneven bough]

i mean i'm assuming i obviously hit the record button but how do i get that height info in?

[ornate stump]

You don't get the height. I only told to record the range at minimum and maximum.

[uneven bough]

and how do i do that?

[ornate stump]

Take some 5 minutes to try first.

[uneven bough]

i have no idea where to look for "minimum and maximum"

[ornate stump]

You should be asking more descriptive question just like this. Not the "how do I do that". Hit record, see animation timeline to be the first frame, make change to range slider that will be the at the minimum range, move timeline to next keyframe, record slider that will be at the maximum range.

[surreal salmon]

Animation work is both easier and harder to deal with than you'd think

[uneven bough]

oh u mean the far setting for the audio?

[ornate stump]

Of course whatever you want to record.

[uneven bough]

and i'm assuming this is where i make the far setting 1.6? can i also set the near setting to it's minimum so both settings are recorded in same keyframe?

[ornate stump]

You could just proceed without asking me the confirmation question. That only slow down your progress and we already had been 4 hours just for this single animation clip.

[uneven bough]

what do u mean by "see animation timeline to be the first frame"?

[ornate stump]

Timeline at the top. The white line is current playing/recording time.

Move white line to change where the keyframe will be record.

[sour quartz]

Question: I have a sound and animation that plays when you touch the avatar and it works fine in unity but when I upload it to VRchat the sound doesn't play anymore but the animation does - anyone knows why?

[ornate stump]

You have to add the spatial audio source component and set the values from there.

[uneven bough]

i just realized, could i just use the gain and near settings for the min and max keyframes? cause if the loudness falloff is always inverse square then wouldn't it be best to keep the far setting as high as possible to keep it from getting unrealistically cut off?

[ornate stump]

This is your own judgement so try it out.

[uneven bough]

i just want to confirm that the far setting just instantly cuts off the audio to 0 once outside it

[ornate stump]

Audio volume is interpolated between near range and far range where near will be at full volume and gradually drop to zero at far range.

[uneven bough]

no what i'm asking is if my vrc audio source uses inverse square falloff then wouldn't the far setting just instantly drop it to zero outside it? cause if it gradually dropped it to zero then it wouldn't be inverse square falloff, would it?

[ornate stump]

It likely is inverse square but I don't confirm it's the case.

[sour quartz]

is that different from this?

[ornate stump]

It isn't audio source. VRC Spatial Audio Source component has to be added to the same object as audio source.

[sour quartz]

ohhhh wait i totally get what you mean now! I completely forgot about that ^^
thank you i think i can work from there

[uneven bough]

okay i think i got the keyframes with the min and max audio settings, does it matter that there's only 9 spaces between them?, can i increase the distance to make it smoother if i need to?

[ornate stump]

Distance doesn't matter.

[uneven bough]

k, so what do i do now?, but before i go further i need to ask: when the gain decreases as i get smaller it should still be just as loud from my perspective no matter what size i am right?

[ornate stump]

It get changed depends on your height. Then perceived volume is entirely depends on the settings of you recorded.

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot what you had recorded into the clip?

[vivid temple]

Morning all. Does anyone have any resources or examples on how to rig long skirts and dresses; specifically ones that go all the way down to the ankles?

I was following Airbee's "how to deal with skirts in VRChat" video but it seems to break down once the garment in question goes past the knees. The colliders become a lot more spread out and you end up with those bone chains basically slipping off of your legs and clipping.

[uneven bough]

don't worry i think i figured it out, so what do i do now?

[somber sequoia]

That's about the best one out there, beyond that, you're in the same situation the rest of us are in, trying to figure out what works best for our specific project

[ornate stump]

Back to the animator controller, find the state you added for the clip, enable Motion Time for that state and choose EyeHeightAsPercent for its parameter.

[vivid temple]

Hm, gotcha. I guess I can continue to experiment with this mock model.

[somber sequoia]

I've got something that's somewhat "okay", which started from that video but then I did a bunch of things differently. I don't have any video or documentation on it though.

[vivid temple]

If it's an avatar model I can examine in game or if you can grab screenshots or something from the Unity project that'd work too!

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure how useful an image is going to be though, it's more of the way I did some of the weight paint and used rotation constraints more than colliders.

I should probably revisit that project, I keep putting it down, annoyed that I can't just use Magica Cloth 🙂

[uneven bough]

so can i just exit the anamation tab i made the keyframes on or is there a way i have to save them?

[vivid temple]

heavens that'd be nice wouldn't it

[ornate stump]

You may keep them docked somewhere or just close it.

[vivid temple]

I did hear about using rotation constraints. I think the video tutorial goes into those briefly with some basic values but yeah, it kind of falls apart for anything longer than one's knees

[uneven bough]

i have no idea where to find those states

[ornate stump]

Do you remember where you drag the animation clip into the animator controller?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah it really does - above the knee you can do pretty okay, but I was going for a kilt, which should be below, and the best I got was "okay if I mostly stand still and don't move much"

[vivid temple]

huge mood

[uneven bough]

oh the grid

[ornate stump]

Once you dragged the clip in, it became a state that contains your animation clip.

[uneven bough]

so now i click on it in the grid?

[ornate stump]

You could ask less about confirmation. Take some action first until you done or get stuck.

[uneven bough]

done. now what?

[ornate stump]

Make sure that layer weight is set to 1.

[vivid temple]

My current thought is maybe the upper legs (referred to as "thighs" in my rigging system) should be weight painted directly to those bones, similar to just doing a normal pair of trousers; then it's rigged with physbones using the skirt technique from the knees down.

The two challenges there seem to be would be figuring 1. how to rig the back to work with the roll of the hips/butt when one bends their thighs forward to e.g. sit; and 2. ensuring the lower half physbones are positioned correctly

[uneven bough]

of the new layer i created in the layers tab right?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - what I did was is use rotation constraints to move the thigh area of the skirt along with the leg bones, so I could also put physbones on that with a little bit of movement, so it looks a bit more natural.

[vivid temple]

guess that's today's experiment

[somber sequoia]

good luck! I put it down out of frustration 🙂

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[vivid temple]

here be my hubris, an avatar with the two most difficult things to rig in VRChat without exploding everyone's computers: robots and draping clothing

[ebon sapphire]

so for some reason, I just can't upload to quest like at all, anyone know anything to fix this?

[uneven bough]

done now what

[somber sequoia]

install the android build tools

[ornate stump]

Screenshot what you have right now to confirm that you had everything correct.

[somber sequoia]

discussed in here over and over:
#avatar-help message

[ruby prism]

Is it possible to make SFX quest compatible

[uneven bough]

any specific windows?

[ornate stump]

• The state you set Motion Time
• Layer weight
• Assignment in FX layer in avatar descriptor

[somber sequoia]

if you mean "sound effects" then no - no sound on quest avatars.

[uneven bough]

for the fx layer u mean in the playable layers or in the anamator?

[ornate stump]

Assignment in FX layer in avatar descriptor

[ornate stump]

You will need something in the Expression slots below, so create some of the files assign to those.

[uneven bough]

what files?

[somber sequoia]

menu files: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/expression-menu-and-controls

[ornate stump]

What file kind is written in the slot.

[uneven bough]

what slot?

[ornate stump]

Didn't you see the image I post above?

[uneven bough]

waht need to go in those?

[somber sequoia]

I linked you to the documentation on it, please read that.

[ornate stump]

You should take some time to process the answer before right immedietely ask next question.

[uneven bough]

so just create a new expressions menu and new expression parameters where i created the animation clip?

[somber sequoia]

why don't you try that and see if it works.

[ornate stump]

Location of where you create it doesn't matter.

[ornate stump]

Also less confirmation question, that's very inefficient.

[uneven bough]

k created those now put them in those 2 boxes in the descriptor?

[wraith geyser]

hello, for some reasons all my upload fails, i tried on 2 different avis. any idea what wrong? pls

[somber sequoia]

There's not any useful information in that log message. Is that the only error in the console? And there are no errors in the build windows (above where you click "build and publish"?)

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message

[wraith geyser]

nothing ver revelant either i think

[somber sequoia]

that's a lot of texture memory - and yes, that prefab error is the actual problem.

wait, don't put gesture manager on your avatar.

it belongs in the scene, not on your avatar.

[wraith geyser]

its in the scene

[ornate stump]

It's rather the scene had the gesture manager but the project didn't have it.

[somber sequoia]

delete that or install the gesture manager package

[uneven bough]

sorry, since i'm adding this audio scaling to 2 avatars that are the exact same except for a single prefab on one of the bones i should add those menus to the other avi's descriptor right?

[vivid temple]

you'll need to install Gesture Manager in the companion

[ornate stump]

If another avatar already had something in expressions slot then you don't have to do anything.

[wraith geyser]

ok ty, bc its not part of the avi i didnt think it was important to add it back

[uneven bough]

well a prefab that's activated with vrcfury to be precise

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message Read this message.

[ornate stump]

Doesn't matter.

[vivid temple]

Gesture Manager is useful for testing the avatar in Play mode in Unity without having to open up VRChat. But if you're not worried about that then you can just delete the missing object in the hierarchy

[wraith geyser]

do i need to delete the missing sps sfx too? or no

[wraith geyser]

sorry im confused

[somber sequoia]

We don't know what's wrong with that one, but that certainly is an option.

[ornate stump]

Confuse about what?

[uneven bough]

k those menus are in now what?

[wraith geyser]

the message u told me to read

[ornate stump]

Test the avatar.

[ornate stump]

What about it is confused?

[wraith geyser]

maybe coz my english isnt very good but that message made no sense to me

[ornate stump]

1. Change your avatar image.
2. Change your internet.
   Simple as that.

[uneven bough]

upload and test it in game?

[vivid temple]

Not sure about that. But did you try re-uploading again after deleting the missing gesture manager/installing the gesture manager package?

[ornate stump]

However you can test the avatar either in game or unity gesture manager.

[wraith geyser]

ok it was sending me to a totally different message for some reason, ty

[ornate stump]

It's just discord thing.

[wraith geyser]

yup i tried, instant error, even after removing the missing fx

[vivid temple]

I'm assuming this is an avatar base or something you got online; were there instructions with it?

[somber sequoia]

You would of course have to provide the error message if you want help with it.

[vivid temple]

'cause every avatar thing can be different and it'd be hard for any of us to help with how a creator set things up with any specific asset

[wraith geyser]

the basics instruction
Open a fresh Unity 2022 project, ADD SPS & VRCFURY TO PROJECT
Import Poi Shaders
Import avatar package
Upload

im trying with a different thumbnail

[uneven bough]

the audio gets louder when i increase my height and quieter when i decrease it, are those settings for the audio source suppose to revert back to what i set them to before making the keyframes? is it cause i didn't close that keyframe window?

[ornate stump]

The values is reverted because that is what is was before recording.

Which doesn't matter since it's going to take value from animation when testing or when in game.

[zinc thunder]

is there a way to limit how far a vrc rotation constraint follows?

[somber sequoia]

unfortunately no, we have no limiters, just the weights

[zinc thunder]

darn

[somber sequoia]

I really want limiters.

[vivid temple]

wouldn't that be nice for this skirt/dress nonsense...

[uneven bough]

ah ok, so u think only setting min and max for the near setting in the audio source will fix it? if so how do i edit those keyframes i made?

[somber sequoia]

... and magica cloth 🙂

[vivid temple]

And Magica Cloth

[ornate stump]

You have to edit the keyframe in the animation.

[somber sequoia]

watch a tutorial on using the unity animator - move the play head to the keyframe and simply change the values there, or do whatever you want.

[zinc thunder]

dude fr because if there were thresholds i could have it so my avatar's chosen eye bones can go 180 and look any direction while the rigged/"puppet" eyes which are constrained to the eye bones could only go up to 24, which would make it better for when i turn on my toggle that makes the "puppet" head of my model follow the angles of the actual eye bones and turn any particular way

basically

owl type head movement would be cool

though

i could go out of my way to use that eye movement blendtree that was made

that could also work

[vivid temple]

I wish that Unity (and so by extension VRChat's) constraints system was as robust as Blender's; it's soooo much easier to do complex motions without having a bunch of extra dummy bones and solvers for aiming and orientation

[somber sequoia]

yep, sure is

[vivid temple]

just having an equivalent to the Transformation constraint would be such a huge time save. take any transform value (pos, rot, scale) and map it to whatever other transform value you want, completely arbitrarily, no holds barred

[wraith geyser]

still the same error
i tried changing thumbnail
i don't know how i could change my internet tho, my pc cant use wifi, im linked through ethernet, and i have fiber connection, still the uploadd is very slow and gets an error around 50%

[somber sequoia]

You cropped it so we can't see the error count, is this the only error?

[wraith geyser]

yup the only one

[somber sequoia]

that's frustrating.

[wraith geyser]

well 17 yellow but 1 red

[uneven bough]

okay so i just did some testing in game and the audio is just as loud to me whether i'm at max or minimum height but the volume in every height in between is very inconsistent, any idea what's causing that?

[ornate stump]

That's because the your range settings is not collate with avatar height. I can't continue with that, you will have to figure out how much range collate to avatar height.

[uneven bough]

collate?

[somber sequoia]

English isn't their first language. "related to" perhaps works there?

[ornate stump]

Also when editing keyframe, see the Curve tab in the animation panel. Click on it, and select all keyframe line, right click open its menu, and make tangent Linear

[uneven bough]

u talking about those 9 steps the keyframes move in i was talking about?

[ornate stump]

What 9 steps?

[proud dagger]

What should i be looking for?

[ornate stump]

The skull texture that is in your material.

[uneven bough]

the keyframes i made only move in 9 steps between each other

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot what you have for that? I don't even know what 9 step you're referring to.

[ornate stump]

It's just a blank space.

I didn't say anything closely relate to the blank space.

[uneven bough]

then what do u mean by this?

what range?

[ornate stump]

Your number doesn't scale right with the avatar height.

[ornate stump]

And you have to change keyframe curve tangent first

Also when editing keyframe, see the Curve tab in the animation panel. Click on it, and select all keyframe line, right click open its menu, and make tangent Linear

[uneven bough]

i don't see a curve tab in the animation panel

[ornate stump]

Maybe take time too look.

[ornate stump]

Actually I doubt that the bottom of your animation panel is out of the screen.

[opal relic]

Heyo, I am trying to make this happen for an avatar: Object 1 and Object 2 are off by default. When Object 1 is toggled on and the user goes to turn on Object 2, Object 1 is to be turned off and vice versa. I started setting it up only for Unity to say something about exclusive tags, which I am unfamiliar with.

[uneven bough]

found it something was obstructing it lol, don't see the other settings you're talking about though

[vivid temple]

You'll want to type in the name of a tag like "sabre" or whatever into that Exclusive Tags field.

When you go to toggle something with the "sabre" tag, it'll then check for any other toggles with that same "sabre" tag and turns them off for you, so that only one item with the "sabre" tag is visible at once.

[opal relic]

So in the exclusive tag, I am to enter the name of the object I want off for when that toggle is on?

[vivid temple]

The text of the tag can be anything, just so long as they match across all the objects you want to group together

[opal relic]

So the name of the object or the name of the other toggle?

[vivid temple]

it can be anything. it doesn't point to anything.

[opal relic]

hmm

[vivid temple]

you just have to pick a tag or keyword to use consistently

[opal relic]

But the rest I did correctly?

[vivid temple]

see this example on my avatar. If I'm in game and enable "casual outfit", then it'll toggle the "casual outfit (shoes)" off because they share the same exclusive tag.

[opal relic]

Ohh, I think I am getting it

[vivid temple]

This'll also work across objects, so there are other clothes I have in my Unity scene with the "Clothing" tag and this'll work across all of them

[opal relic]

In other words, toggles with the same exclusive tag tell the game "only one of these toggles with this exclusive tag can be on at one time".

[vivid temple]

correct

[opal relic]

💡

[vivid temple]

refer to the docs if you're ever stuck https://vrcfury.com/components/toggle

If multiple toggles contain the same Exclusive Tag, only one can be active at a time. For example, if you have multiple sets of clothing which interfere with each other, you can define an exclusive tag clothing. When one is enabled, all other toggles with the same tag will be disabled.

Multiple tags can be given, separated by commas.

[opal relic]

In that case, the "turn off" bits in the toggles aren't necessary.

Correct?

[vivid temple]

Correct

[uneven bough]

still helping?

[ornate stump]

and select all keyframe line, right click open its menu, and make tangent Linear

[opal relic]

Thank you so much Kavaeric!

[vivid temple]

I think so anyway, I usually use animation clips for this sort of thing--but I don't see why it would need the "off"

[opal relic]

Yeah, me neither

[vivid temple]

just give it a spin and see what happens

[uneven bough]

where though, what window, what setting? the blue and green lines in the animation tab? clicking those doesn't do anything

[somber sequoia]

Yeah, if you use a WriteDefaults on workflow, those usually aren't needed.

[ornate stump]

Left click the dot at start and end of the line to select, right click to open menu.

[vivid temple]

hello kazin can you tell I'm procrastinating on figuring out this kilt/skirt rigging lol

[somber sequoia]

hahah, so you're where I am

[opal relic]

Is rigging a skirt really that complex?

[somber sequoia]

If it's not just a teeny mini-skirt that barely moves, yep.

[vivid temple]

no, if you have the right tools like Magica Cloth

[somber sequoia]

(which we don't)

[vivid temple]

however, we don't

[vivid temple]

hey

[opal relic]

lol

[vivid temple]

unlike trousers, they don't have legs/sleeves that can just be weight painted to the legs

and usually they're drapey in a way you want to have physbones to simulate them flowing and stuff

[opal relic]

Why not just set collisions?

[vivid temple]

that's the simplest way, yes

you just add a crapload of physbones and colliders

[somber sequoia]

Because that only sorta works, and you need a lot of bones

[uneven bough]

k i clicked on both dots and went both tangents > linear for both, that right?

[ornate stump]

More action, less question.

[opal relic]

Y'all are giving me an idea

[vivid temple]

but that's effectively a bruteforcing solution; the avatars I've seen that do this have like, loads of these and basically rocket to Poor or Very Poor even before anything else

[opal relic]

What's the solution then?

[uneven bough]

ok now i have no idea how i got the scaling wrong

[vivid temple]

here's one I found in SurRoom that was successful; there's like 8 bones in each chain and like 12 chains. 96 bones in the skirt alone, times the 4 colliders for the legs you're looking at 384 collision checks which is an immediate Poor rating.

[ornate stump]

Had the curves got straighten now?

[opal relic]

Wowwie

Now I am second guessing making my own dress; let alone making it Quest compatible.

[uneven bough]

not sure

[ornate stump]

Hit A key to zoom focus.

[vivid temple]

depends on the way the dress is. If it's like knee length the problem is a lot less, er, problematic. Airbee's youtube turorial is still the best on the subject

[vivid temple]

you can also just weight paint it to the legs like a normal pair of trousers too if you don't mind not having the simulated cloth physics

and if it's a something like a big puffy ball gown then you basically won't see the legs at all and won't have to worry about most of that

[opal relic]

Shouldn't be too bad. It'll be relatively low poly.

I'm putting it on a Beat Saber avatar.

[vivid temple]

yeah it also gets a lot easier if you're only ever needing to rig it for standing

[opal relic]

Oh Lord, yeah, I can't imagine how messy it would be if I decide to add floor collision.

[ornate stump]

Do change tangent on the dot again.

[proud dagger]

Found it

[ornate stump]

That should do to. Test the sound and it should be more consistent. If it's still not good then you have to edit the range

[uneven bough]

yup that's a sure improvement, though it does seem to get a tiny bit quieter the smaller the size

[ornate stump]

That's where you have to figture out yourself what your good number is for you.

[uneven bough]

on the animation curve graph?

[ornate stump]

The curve is done. you have to change number on the keyframes.

[uneven bough]

well i didn't get my math wrong when setting the min and max near settings so i don't know what to do

[olive furnace]

Bit of an odd one, but does anyone know why these physbones are so intent on sticking to the floor when in play mode?

Even if I delete the physbone components within unity this still happens, which is even weirder still.

[vivid temple]

Object is extremely heavy or you accidentally superglued it to the floor. Happens to me all the time.

In reality, check how that object is parented to your hierarchy, if it is at all

[ornate stump]

It'a just trial and error now.

[olive furnace]

Thanks! Not sure how it happened really, it's just part of a sweater and hasn't been touched throughout the entire project. The base model I started with doesn't have the issue so it's definitely something I've done. Time shall tell!

[uneven bough]

k, thanks for spending so much time helping me!

[vivid temple]

Yeah, it just looks like it's been parented directly to the avatar root or even sits outside of ther avatar (though I imaigne other things will break). Could also be that pickup script thing that's been set to be locked to world space

[tranquil path]

brain not understanding a single thing but still a fan of vrchat even tho i cant download it on anything i have

[wraith geyser]

did you change something in hierarchy? i think that happen when u delete bones by accident

[olive furnace]

Unless it was parented to the avatar's hair somehow then I don't think it should be something I've deleted. I have imported a good few things through Modular Avatar over time, however, so I wouldn't be surprised if one of those shifted something and I didn't notice until it was too late.

[vivid temple]

I'd just check the hierarchy. If the hierarchy is fine, check if there are any scripts/components that are improperly configuring that object's position

[olive furnace]

Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the assist, both!

[proud dagger]

I fixed it thanks for your help and patients 😅

[opal relic]

@vivid temple Like I mentioned, I did indeed draw inspiration from the convo and came up with this dress design!

Bottom-right may be the final design. I just have no clue how I am going to rig this thing.

I want the dress to bend as expected when seated. Doesn't have to warp like if there were actual legs underneath the dress.

My only idea is to make custom poses since I use Standable.

Perhaps I could use certain constraint components where the bones of the leg part of the dress follow the rotation of the leg bones 50/50.

[vivid temple]

since the legs aren't actually visible you could probably get away with basically rigging it like a mermaid tail

[opal relic]

I would, but that would make the avatar feel less grounded.

[vivid temple]

Well, you have all that cloth sitting on the ground plane, right?

[opal relic]

Yes, which I plan on adding a physbone component to.

I'll see whether or not my idea will actually work once I cross that bridge.

[vivid temple]

@somber sequoia proof of concept working surprisingly well so far. sitting on a chair; sitting cross-legged; lying with one leg over.

[night ember]

the cross leg pose is the most impressive

[opal relic]

Waaait, how'd you do that exactly? Is that weighted to the legs at all? Hella impressive.

[vivid temple]

issue of course with rigging the phys stuff from the knees down means for poses where the legs cross at the thighs, you run into the typical issue of the bottom of the dress/skirt separating into two halves

but perhaps that just means doing a clever thigh rig for these to resolve the crossover stuff. hm

[cobalt cloak]

Can I do that? When I activate the audio link, will my body color change?

[night ember]

if the shader supports that?

[cobalt cloak]

its poiyomi

[somber sequoia]

promising start!

[real sequoia]

Hey yall when uploading an aviator for quest when you select the platform it goes to should I only select android?

[night ember]

if you only want to upload that version of the avatar to quest

[real sequoia]

Well if I pick android will pc user still be able to see it?

[night ember]

if you also upload a version of the avatar under the same id to pc

[real sequoia]

Ohhh ok ok I want both to see it that’s why I am asking

[night ember]

uploading both at the same time technically saves time but if you have pc only features like shaders then youd need to upload the pc version separately

[real sequoia]

Ohh I am so confused lmao but I think I get it

[opaque thicket]

pls how fix ts

[night ember]

pc and android avatars are entirely independent
the only thing connecting them is the blueprint id
if it has the id itll upload to that specific avatar

[night ember]

go ask in the vrcfury discord

[opaque thicket]

ok

[somber sequoia]

The answer seems kinda clear though - don't do both of those things.

[real sequoia]

Oh ok

[real sequoia]

Should I use both then is what u are saying?

[night ember]

if you want to upload that specific version of the avatar in scene to both

[lapis bough]

what are theese warnings? when i open the content manager in the sdk it spams theese warnings

SDK 3.10.1

is someything wronng with my project?

[tired loom]

Ok im trying to retexture hair for my avatar in substance painter but when i export it and apply the texture in unity it shows all jumbled up, ive even tried to only use one layer with no emissions, metallic, or rough but it will not export correctly, does anyone know what im doing wrong?

[wraith geyser]

easy fix, click here and pretend you didn't see anything

[quick heath]

Does anyone make demon slayer oc avatar tutorials?

[vivid temple]

I think there would be a way to resolve the thigh rigging issue if there was some way to like, measure or animate the top skirt bones based on the pure distance the legs were from each other

so it could expand if one spreads their legs (e.g. when sitting cross-legged) and avoids the crossover rig issue

[somber sequoia]

you could use contacts for that, as annoying as that sounds.

[tired loom]

Nvm i was hitting the wrong button lol

[spring zealot]

i need help with these

[somber sequoia]

nothing in the video is useful - show the rig setup

[spring zealot]

that the thing i click configure for the rig and that pops up

should i re import the modle

[somber sequoia]

Does it even have an armature?

[wraith geyser]

mayble click this tab?

[spring zealot]

💀

[somber sequoia]

that tab is not useful here

OH you have debug mode on

[spring zealot]

what do i do then

[somber sequoia]

3 dots menu at the top right of the inspector, switch it off debug

ah, select "normal"

[spring zealot]

thank you

[somber sequoia]

it's the upper of the 3 dots menus actually

[spring zealot]

idk what to show

[somber sequoia]

what's in there looks reasonable

[spring zealot]

so what should i do

idk if i should get another model

[wraith geyser]

you could try to switch the rig to another type, then switch back to humanoid to configure again a new one: manually drag and drop bones from armature or double check that all bones on the right spot (dont forget to check hands and head, and remove the jaw bone) and apply
Prolly not gonna work but worth a try.... maybe

[somber sequoia]

yeah worth a try going generic and back

[night ember]

thats very hyper specific

[spark walrus]

Haiiii Need some help with my avatar!
Just bought an avatar for the first time but I don’t own a pc to upload it.
Can I possibly get help for that. Will pay.
Dm me!

[flint siren]

My friends, I have a question. I have some posts on my profile or account, but I don't have the files on my computer because I formatted it. Is there a way to download them?

[night ember]

you cant download avatars

[flint siren]

Why? I already own it, but I can't contact the VR chat service, and that's why.

[timber wharf]

uploaded files are not smth to be reuploaded. if you lost your source project, that vrc servers dont get ever, then its over.

[proven quail]

see if the creator of the avatar does uploads or has a trusted uploader first. If not, ask a trusted friend. The uploader will need your login cridentials so it's kind of a big deal. Also, the uploader would need the files, which can be file leaking/sharing, according to most creators. (if your friend deletes the files after upload no foul play is going on, but creators generally don't want file sharing to snip out the possibility that the uploader might keep and leak the files anyways)

[proven quail]

the compiled file vrchat saves of an avatar is a really uneditable thing. Even if vrchat went through the trouble of distributing these files to their owners upon request (they will never), they are mostly useless unless you use some shady ripper software to reconfigure them. Even then, I don't believe the final output files are very good either.

[light trench]

[ Technical issue with Rig/Scaling ]

Got an issue with being unable to accurately interact with my avatars body.
EG: I cant touch my avatar's Stomach with my hands ingame. There is quite a bit of distance between where my IRL body is and my ingame one. This is the same for most avatars (Hour glass figure and cartoon meme avatar alike)

Calibration is in the correct place. Tracker balls are in the same spots on the avatar as irl.
Viewpoint has been moved both forward and back, did not resolve the issue.
Arms and legs bones have been stretched or shrunk to various degrees. Neither seemed to resolve the issue.

If anyone has any other ideas on how to resolve the issue lmk. Struggling to find any info online.

[vivid temple]

funnily enough I was learning about contacts

so I've heard that proximity contact type + capsule contact shape are broken in game, known, and not yet fixed

so it could be that? No idea though

I literally just checked in to bug someone if that's true or not

[light trench]

This isnt a contact mechanic issue. Its a full body issue being physically unable to make contact between my hand and body.

[vivid temple]

oh I see, sorry, misread

[light trench]

np

[spark walrus]

Thank you so much!

[waxen jungle]

is there a setting in vrcufry to disable visemes for spesific gesture expressions?

[proper depot]

I got physbone jitter on the sleeves of my shirt even though there are no physbone colliders? No double physbones components, nothin, just 1 on the root of the bone chain, yet its jittering very badly, this is only seen in vrchat and not in unity. Excuse the camera view I dont have the sprout plug in

[prisma monolith]

is there a way to use vrcfury to make it so that when i toggle the guns on this avatar and make the fist gesture these shot affects can fire?

[proud dagger]

Im putting my logo for quest is there a way for that or do i still need to use a image editor for the logo

[somber sequoia]

what do you mean "putting my logo"?

[proud dagger]

I have a logo im putting on a shirt for my avatar

[somber sequoia]

yeah I'd edit the texture for the shirt and put the logo onto it

since you don't get decals in quest shaders

[gaunt knoll]

Yes and no this isn't the discord they have their own

[minor crater]

idk how to un squash her. i export the fbx out of blender as fbx all and apply transformation (1.00 scale)

[prisma monolith]

i made the shots a toggle instead, but when i test it the texture is missing, what do i do

[grave field]

anyone can help me or know of a tutorial to set up the rexouium 1.7 hd rig? i cant get the damn tail or any other physbones to work

[kind heath]

usually happens if you unpacked your prefab and then made changes to the armature afaik :/ you can use pumkins avatar tools to transfer most stuff over to a fresh version of the avatar

[minor crater]

i didnt touch the armature is the thing. usually i just have to fix a value

[young vigil]

Does anybody know how I could do a floor contact? I want to make it when my axe hits the ground it'll play an animation, I thought there might be a better way then just making one big contact under me

[somber sequoia]

not really, make one big contact under you.

[prisma monolith]

yo guys how do i make it so t hat my shoot gesture for my weapons only toggles if my guns are on?

[somber sequoia]

add the "weapon on" condition into the transition goes to the shooting state

[prisma monolith]

where do i add conditions again? im using vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

oh, no idea how to do that with fury, sorry

[prisma monolith]

i joined their server and asked the same thing, also its fine

[plucky drum]

trying to upload my avatar with its quest compatible version but its uploading as 2 separate avatars

[somber sequoia]

did you use the blueprint ID from one for both of them?

[plucky drum]

yup, just figured it out, i didnt copy the entirety of the first ID when doing so, missed 1 letter at the start. all fixed now

[hoary crane]

Arrrrggghhhh I still don't get it. Even using a premade skeleton I STILL have that issue where the character steps back into a weird position every time

[somber sequoia]

Without FBT? yeah that seems to be normal.

[hoary crane]

That's not a bug, it just happens?

[somber sequoia]

as far as I'm aware. I asked about it at one point, and that seemed to be the consensus

[brave pollen]

I uploaded avatars and it wont load in the vrc page like I can click it but it wont fully load the page

[latent junco]

everything is mapped correctly but im still getting these errors 😭

[junior void]

is the configuration file assigned to the avatar?

[latent junco]

how do i acsess that

i belive it is

[gaunt knoll]

believe*

[junior void]

you check in the animator component on the root of your avatar

[latent junco]

yeah everything is literaly fine 💔

[junior void]

did you edit the avatar in blender and re-export it to unity?

[latent junco]

yeah

[junior void]

did you maybe cause the armature to change name?

if you have multiple in blender, it will rename to "Armature.001" etc

[latent junco]

oooh

let me check you might be right

[errant ledge]

ı also drag αnd drop it doesn’t work

[junior void]

you can drag and drop them into unity, however unity has no idea where to assign them

so you have to then in unity assign the images to materials on your avatar

[gaunt knoll]

are image files supported?

[gaunt knoll]

uncompress the file then drag the file its self into unity

[errant ledge]

ı did that αnd it doesn’t let ოe

ı drag αnd drop αnd it has the x ı can’t

[junior void]

are you trying to drag them onto the material orb?

[ornate stump]

It's inside of compressed folder. You have to extract the file to somewhere else first before drag into unity.

[gleaming totem]

I'm looking for help. Does anyone know how to edit models or VRChat avatars from the texture in Blender? Specifically, how to draw on the model itself so that it's transferred to the 1:1 texture image and then save the texture image?

[balmy barn]

texture paint tab , then save it after , rare i use it but its handy for basic things like emissions/masks stuff

[gleaming owl]

Yeah sure I can help you on that lol if you don't mind?

[ornate stump]

Scammer.

[gleaming owl]

Hey why did you call me scammer

[gleaming owl]

Did you ever scammed you or did I talk to you

[gleaming owl]

Am new here just trying to share some experiences

[ornate stump]

1. Joined today.
2. Offer help while the poster need is Q&A.
3. Account is less than a month old.
4. No profile/bio.

[ornate stump]

Then just share it here.

[gleaming owl]

Ohh now I can understand what you mean

[gleaming owl]

Yea I just heard discord month ago from a friend that's why I open and think of making some friends

[gleaming owl]

I hope you understand the situation

[ornate stump]

What do you know about "3d modeling"?

[gleaming owl]

I do make 3d models

[ornate stump]

What a very much coincident joined today just to offering some help to a random person.

The person is asking for instruction on how to do texture painting in blender. If you know that you should just post it here. There is no need for "i can help if you like".

[gleaming owl]

I don't know much about this server and I just joined so I don't know how you do your things here

[gleaming owl]

My bad for that

[ornate stump]

Instead of sorrying, just post the essential information to prove yourself.

[gleaming owl]

Alright

[errant ledge]

also this can someone help

[ornate stump]

What shader you're using?

[gleaming owl]

First step

Open Model → Make sure it has a UV-mapped material.

Switch Mode → Select the model → Texture Paint.

Select Image Texture → In Shader Editor, make sure your image texture node is active (this is where you paint).

Paint → Use the brush directly on the model.

Save Texture → In Image Editor → Image → Save As… → .png or .jpg.

I hope you could understand this step but if you don't get it let me know

[ornate stump]

It has some flaw but Ok. And I'm not the one who asked the question.

[gleaming owl]

What did you mean

[ornate stump]

If you're competent enough you should know.

[gleaming owl]

Did you mean I give her the wrong process

[ornate stump]

A few yes.

[errant ledge]

https://m71loe.booth.pm/items/6545180

[gleaming owl]

With my experience I so e how hard to explain it but if am the one making it myself I will found it easier

[ornate stump]

That isn't a shader.

[errant ledge]

its a texture\

[ornate stump]

I'm asking what shader you are using for the face material.

[ornate stump]

One of the flaws: JPG should never be used for image format for a texture.

It's obvious for its reason.

[errant ledge]

yh idk im new i think liltoon

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot to comfirm the material settings instead?

[errant ledge]

ok

[ornate stump]

The material is from the original package, or you created yourself?

[ornate stump]

Try to look for Vertex Color option in the material and disable it.

[errant ledge]

huh

[ornate stump]

Can you take a look in the material at all?

[gleaming totem]

Can someone help me with this, or is this a scam? I don't know, I'm just waiting for an answer so I can continue. I can keep searching if no one knows.? 😥

[somber sequoia]

is what a scam?

[gaunt knoll]

Is Vrchat a scam yes

[somber sequoia]

haha

[gaunt knoll]

I don't know how you are refering to blender being a scam

[somber sequoia]

or maybe this channel

[gaunt knoll]

Maybe but your here your worth a visit every now and then

[ornate stump]

You already have got answered right below your original message.

[stable isle]

heya, i've noticed that when scaling an avatar, parent constraints don't follow the avatar properly (objects will separate from the model). is there a way to fix that?

[somber sequoia]

They should, can you show how you have one setup?

[stable isle]

ye, gimme like 2-5 mins to open the project

[stable isle]

it's this zipper on the chest. It's parented to one of 5 points along the body to allow for a smooth zipping animation, but those points separate from the body.

[somber sequoia]

that's an interesting way to do this

[stable isle]

it's the only way i could really think of...

[gaunt knoll]

Ohhhh your the person that was having trouble with weight painting

[somber sequoia]

k, not what I thought you meant by the behavior, I thought it wasn't following with the body, not that it's just not following your path

[stable isle]

the points aren't following the body. that's themian issue....

here's a visual of the points as reference. It looks like while the position does change, and the scale changes, the relative positions don't.

[gleaming totem]

Unfortunately, it doesn't update.

[hot aspen]

Anyone know why the eyes are gone? looks good in unity, and works in a MMD world just fine

[balmy barn]

check roation values, first one should have none

if there is some your eyebones not right

[hollow mesa]

how do i fix this?

[gaunt knoll]

open unity hub should say active

[hollow mesa]

I need to fix this anyone know what it means at all?

[somber sequoia]

is that the only error?

[hollow mesa]

its tricky bc i had old ones pop up that ik r irrelevant

let me try to clear it and retry so i get them

[marsh gust]

im close to finally finnish,but this happend XD

[somber sequoia]

second image isn't useful - first one is, assuming those are the first errors listed.
It looks like that Marker package might be out of date, or your SDK is not one compatible with it.

[hollow mesa]

these two are the only ones u need to care about the old one does not matter

[hollow mesa]

i can just remove that then ig

was there anything else that i could take action with>

?

got this after removing the markers and trying again

[somber sequoia]

nothing of use in those messages - again, always look at the very first errors.

[hollow mesa]

Think this would be right

[somber sequoia]

Looks like the same error as before.

[hollow mesa]

ok well that is the start of the errros sorry

that is as "first" as it gets

[somber sequoia]

ok then same thing I said earlier is my best guess

[hollow mesa]

see

[hollow mesa]

i removed the marker but im still getting the issues

[somber sequoia]

removing the object doesnt' fix it, the package has a compile error.

[hollow mesa]

well then how do i fix it?

i removed like all the marker related stuff

[somber sequoia]

either remove the marker package or work out the version dependency issues

I haven't used that package myself

[balmy barn]

that script messing up , you can just move the folder out of unity to test

[hollow mesa]

ah i confused myself with where i was targeting thanks It should be good

[cobalt cloak]

how do i fix that

[compact mortar]

Can someone help me make a gif is there a tutorial to turn this into a gif

Bc i want them as gifs on vrchat but it wont upload as gifs or videos

[balmy barn]

to a gif ? or a tilesheet

you can easy animate a tilesheet just by changing offset and size

[compact mortar]

Idk what a tilesheet is i just want them uploaded as gifs on my vrc account not as an image

[compact mortar]

Idk how to that

I want them as animated emojis on vrc

But idk how

So I need a tutorial

[livid river]

Why isn't the prefab staying in one spot and keeps moving where my model is?

[somber sequoia]

You'd have to anchor it to the world with a constraint if you want that

[livid river]

How do I do that?

[somber sequoia]

parent or position constraint, "freeze to world" checkbox

well I guess other types too

[livid river]

Didn't work, it's still moving around with my view

[ornate stump]

How did you set constraint?

[somber sequoia]

no, wrong constraint - you see it doesn't have the option I said

you want a VRC position constraint

[ornate stump]

You have to use the constraint from VRC one.

[livid river]

So like this?

[somber sequoia]

that's the one

[livid river]

It's still moving

[balmy barn]

dont leave this empty , it must exsist even if none

none = grabs whatever its on

empty = world drop wont work , doesnt go back to where it started

exsample if you dont enable it

[livid river]

So like this instead?

[balmy barn]

yup, try now

[livid river]

Still moving

[balmy barn]

never had one fail so you need to check your toggle/parameter there

[livid river]

My bad, I had to preview the animation and it's seems to work now

It works now, thank you for the help.

[mint badge]

hello im trying to link this text to my forearm instead of the the chest and having the rotation locked

its a prefab

[gaunt knoll]

this is rex text?

[mint badge]

no KAT

[gaunt knoll]

aaa that was it

[mint badge]

and no matter what i move the text stays at the same spot idk why

[gaunt knoll]

move that to your arm

[mint badge]

i tried and that doesnt work

[gaunt knoll]

if thats the case you can set the attachment point to none and try putting the whole thing it self on your arm

[mint badge]

still and still not rotating

[spare dome]

Hi im trying to add a texture to this model i applied to the model and its showing in the inspector tab that it has been applied but when i entire playmode it shows the default textuire

figured it out nevermind

[kind heath]

can you show the inspector when you select that prefab? are there vrcfury components on it?

[proud dagger]

How can i put a logo on the center of a shirt on unity Android i did it for pc but its a bit different for quest without decals etc

[wooden river]

Does anyone know how to fix the lighting

[austere bay]

delete the light source or move

[wooden river]

I tried deleting the light from blender and unity it still doesn’t work 🥺

[sly cove]

ok then! maybe try preventing them from being imported?

(you can do this by clicking your model, and in the inspector view that appears, uncheck "Import Lights" and "Import Cameras"

[mossy ore]

I need help

[gritty tree]

can someone help me rq

[mossy ore]

anybody make me an avatar for $0.00

I have 3d model

[somber sequoia]

you'd need to explain

[hidden hamlet]

can someone help me configure the character for android and computer

[spice fossil]

when i upload my avatar it's like this. why?

[pine valley]

this kind of thing can happen if you exported a new FBX from Blender with the wrong "Apply Scalings" setting

basically, the default ("All Local") makes the model 100 times smaller than normal

this means everything gets scaled up by a factor of 100 in Unity

[spice fossil]

how would i fix that?

[pine valley]

if this scaling factor changes, it's possible for the humaniod avatar (which is how Unity understands where your bones belong) to get screwed up

[pine valley]

try selecting the model asset in the Project window, going to the Rig tab, and hitting "Configure"

[spice fossil]

in blender?

wait

[pine valley]

over in Unity

(this is not a humanoid model; i just grabbed a random model to show you)

then, at the bottom, do Pose > Reset

you may need to hit "Enforce T-Pose" as well

This will make Unity figure out where your belongs belong again

Alternatively

It would probably be easier to just export with the right scaling mode

that'll make sure other stuff does not break

[spice fossil]

sorry its been a minute since ive used unity where do you find this

[spice fossil]

..

[pine valley]

if your model broke after re-exporting the FBX, you probably just need to switch this back to "FBX All" and export again

[spice fossil]

where do i find this

[pine valley]

before you do anything: did this problem start after updating the FBX?

[spice fossil]

yes

im pretty sure

[pine valley]

okay, then I'd suggest checking this first

You probaly left Blender's FBX exporter set to "All Local"

that's the default

if this is the problem, then switching it to "FBX All" will make it match the size of the original model

It will look fine outside of Play Mode, but the animator will behave very weirdly

[spice fossil]

okay thank you!

[pine valley]

I'd also test this in Play Mode before uploading; the problem should appear there as well

ideally, use the Gesture Manager package to test the animations you'll see in-game

[spice fossil]

in unity?

[pine valley]

yep

[spice fossil]

play mode?

[pine valley]

you can enter Play Mode to preview your avatar

[spice fossil]

yeah i did that for the pys and it was fine

[coarse merlin]

hello!!
I use index controllers
and I realised a few days ago why my fist gesture wasn't working
turns out I have to hold down my triggers for it to register
I know a few things about gestures and the animator
but I'm not sure how to make the trigger input into a touch input

[night ember]

thatd not really be an avatar thing
all pressing the trigger does it manipulate the gestureweight float

it doesnt really control if you are making a fist or not

[coarse merlin]

so its not just my avatar?
its a system thing

[night ember]

your bindings or controller itself is fucked

[coarse merlin]

it has to be the binding
I have rebinded recently
probably came from that
thank you for your insight 💝

[rare jacinth]

So question i wanna do a tail sway toggle on a avatar but I suck at animations. Does vrcfury have an option where I can possibly do that?

I know you can do other stuff like make contacts

Also how do I use vrcfury to add audio to a contact headpat?

[somber sequoia]

it can definitely do both things

[rare jacinth]

Do you know how i can do that or a tutorial that shows how?

[somber sequoia]

I don't really use Fury, sorry. But there's some docs on the website and a discord for it too.

[stable isle]

heya, i've noticed that when scaling an avatar, parent constraints don't follow the avatar properly (objects will separate from the model). is there a way to fix that?

for my outfit that i'm making, there's points that are a zipper path, when scaling the avatar those points misalin from the body (smaller = further out, bigger = clip into body)

[rare jacinth]

Do you happen to possibly have a link to the discord so I can ask them about it please?

[somber sequoia]

I imagine it's listed on the website

[rare jacinth]

I found it

[pine valley]

You should throw in a scale constraint as well. Parent constraints don't respect scale.

Alternatively: add an empty object where the zipper point should be

parent that to the body, and then target the new object with your parent constraint

The former will scale the object that the parent constraint is on. The latter will not

[somber sequoia]

you shouldn't use "fix model" unless you've got exactly the thing it's designed for, which I believe is MMD stuff.
Otherwise, in Blender, check the bone roll values for all the main humanoid bones, it should be 0.

[plucky drum]

avatars fingers keep bending weird at the tips when the hand is flat and idk why

it looks fine in every other position, its just like this that it breaks

[somber sequoia]

oh also your hip bone should be pointing up

[stable isle]

that's what the zipper points are. they're parented to the body with vrc parent constraints already.

though i could try the scale constraints.

the weird thing is the parent object the zipper points are on scale properly.

[pine valley]

the empty object would be parented directly to the body

not using a constraint

[stable isle]

so like direct-bone parents?

[pine valley]

Correct.

something like

• Hips
  • Spine
    • Chest
      • Target

you can then constrain something to follow Target

this will give you the correct position as the avatar changes size

[stable isle]

so the issue with that is the points around the spine (under the breasts) need 50% weight paint between the chest and spine to bend properly

if i just set it to one bone, the points will clip into the mesh

[somber sequoia]

one of your images has it pointing down

[pine valley]

oh, hm, i thought i tested this and got the expected result, but trying again, the scale constraint doesn't make the object move around as the source object changes size

[somber sequoia]

oh perhaps that's another bone in the way

now that I look at it

(it's a small and low-quality image up there)

[stable isle]

hmmm.....

yea it's a really annoying issue...

[pine valley]

This should be the way to go

[somber sequoia]

ok - it's facing -Y with +Z up, in Blender, right?
the avatar, I mean.

[pine valley]

You can use multiple "target" objects in a single parent constraint

This will give you exactly the right position

[stable isle]

right...that's what im already doing

[pine valley]

by "targets", I mean empty objects parented to specific bones

and positioned where the point should be

These targets will correctly move as your avatar is rescaled

[stable isle]

in that case it's about the same thing. i'm parenting the zipper points to bones that are then armature linked to the model with vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

Okay. Last thing I can think of is to (in Unity) switch to generic rig then redo the rig setup.

yes

okay, I guess I don't know what else to look at.

[pine valley]

look at your model in play mode – how are these targets attached to your body after VRCFury runs?

I don't remember if it uses parent constraints or directly parents the objects

[pine valley]

(re: this)

[stable isle]

in vrcfury they directly parent the bones to the model. They then use vrcparent constraints as-is to attach to those parented bones

[pine valley]

doing what you've described works fine for me

I have a "Chest Target" and a "Neck Target", which are armature-linked onto the chest and neck

The cube is parent-constrained to follow both targets

[spice fossil]

hi, im still haveing the problem. where do you find this in uinty

[pine valley]

so you've exported the model from Blender with "FBX All" scaling?

[spice fossil]

im pretty sure

[somber sequoia]

find your .fbx file, click it, look in the inspector. "Rig" tab.

[spice fossil]

i got this

is this the issue?

[somber sequoia]

no

[spice fossil]

this is what happens

stillll

[pine valley]

what did you do, exactly?

[somber sequoia]

redo rig setup

[spice fossil]

i did the fbx in blender and it still doesnt work

[somber sequoia]

"did the fbx" - it'd help if you explained more precisely

[pine valley]

"did the fbx in blender" is pretty vague. you need to have a very clear idea of what you're actually doing

[spice fossil]

this

[pine valley]

if you're still having rig issues, then you should go ahead and do this:

[spice fossil]

i just did let me see

if it works

it still doesn't 😅

[somber sequoia]

did you redo the rig setup?

[spice fossil]

no, the only thing i did was edit the mesh

[somber sequoia]

ah. So go redo the rig setup in Unity.

[spice fossil]

wdym?

like

this?

[somber sequoia]

set it to generic, apply. then set to humanoid, the usual

[spice fossil]

do i re-do the the bones?

these

[somber sequoia]

if they are wrong, you should make them right.

[spice fossil]

okay

[somber sequoia]

(chest is missing)

[spice fossil]

i added it

im testing and seeing if it fixed

it still not working ]

😅

i have no clue whyy

[left wharf]

have you checked export settings?
in blender, export settings, Apply Scaling to FBX All

[spice fossil]

i did yeah

[left wharf]

oh i haven't read before mb

[spice fossil]

its okay

im just so confused lol

[stable isle]

is it parent constraint or vrcparentconstraint?

[pine valley]

I am using the VRC constraints

[stable isle]

interesting...i'm not sure why mine isn't working then....

[pine valley]

you can try my setup out

[stable isle]

yea...here's what mine is setup as

the zipper is the one on the left. it's a bone that's parented to the points. and the point is parented to varoius bones

i'll take a loot at yours tho

[pine valley]

You're missing a step

[stable isle]

what's that?

[pine valley]

ZipperPos1 should be parent-constrained to another object

(and that object should be armature-linked to your chest)

That's why scaling your avatar isn't making the points move correctly

see my prefab for an example

(or is Chest armature-linked?)

[stable isle]

atm it's parentled to a chest bone that will armature link to the avatar

it's on an outfit

[pine valley]

oh, I see: you have an offset on your parent constraint

[stable isle]

yea

[proven walrus]

How can I attach seats that also work on quest?

[pine valley]

the Chest bone should be offset from your actual chest bone

the constraint should have no offset at all

[stable isle]

ah....hmm.....

that's...a problem.

[pine valley]

in my example, the "Chest Target" is placed here

and the cube is set up like this

[stable isle]

gotcha. i was using skinned mesh constraint from hai to make sure the points stay on the top of the mesh

and i was modifying the position offsets so that they move with body modifications like breast size

[pine valley]

i saw them developing that a little while ago

i haven't tried the technique out yet myself

[stable isle]

yea, normally with vrc parent constraints or with that tool it automatically makes offsets on the constraints

[pine valley]

the issue is that the parent constraint won't increase/decrease the offset as the target object is scaled up or down

[stable isle]

yea....

[short garnet]

I have a question. I took the FBX file for my avatar, the one that comes in the Unity project folder, and modified my necklace. Now, how can I get it to use the new FBX file? Do I have to add all the textures to the FBX file in Blender before exporting it? Is there a tutorial on how to do this?

[stable isle]

i'm not really sure what to do in that case.

[somber sequoia]

No need to do anything with textures. You simply export the FBX file with the proper settings, overwriting the one in your Unity project, and if you didn't drastically change the armature, it should Just Work™

.... unless you unpacked the model prefab in the scene. Don't do that.

[pine valley]

wait, what if you turn on "Solve in Local Space"?

one effect of this is that it'll respect the scale of the sources

scaling something up means that 1 unit of local-space is now a longer world-space distance

[short garnet]

The problem is that when I export it from Blender and add it to the Unity project's FBX folder, it doesn't appear with the textures, but it does appear with all the clothes already placed. It doesn't appear like when I load the project without modifications. I don't know if I'm explaining myself clearly

I always take the fbx file from the assets > fbx folder and put it in Blender, but for days now it hasn't been displaying correctly in Unity, like the original project.

[stable isle]

then they move based on their offset to the origin of the parent object, which is 0, 0, rather than parenting to the body

[somber sequoia]

Yes, you need to setup materials in Unity, blender stuff isn't going to carry over

[pine valley]

could you make a prefab that's just the constraints? I'd like to see how this is set up

i don't need the actual model assets/etc.

(i'm getting off for the tonight but i can try it out tomorrow)

[short garnet]

Is it normal that the original project only shows one item of clothing from each part, and when I add my FBX file, all the clothes appear?

That's why I was asking if there was a tutorial; it's the first time I've modified one

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what is in your project or model files

[short garnet]

Is there a tutorial that teaches you how to do it? or how to add it as an accessory, like a new necklace that appears in the radial menu

[somber sequoia]

sure, there are lots of tutorials for adding items

[short garnet]

Do you have any recommendations?

[somber sequoia]

nope

this creator has some good stuff: https://www.youtube.com/@SippsAvatarBox/videos

I don't exactly keep a list of tutorials around though.

[stable isle]

sure

[short garnet]

Thank you so much for your help 😄

[stable isle]

so unfortunately not really. they're sorta baked into the prefab, including the armature.

I'd be down to give yu the unitypackage to take a look at

[stable isle]

it's a rar file. open it in file explorer, extrac thte contents.

[sleek oxide]

yeah tnx that was the next thing i tried haent uploaded smthin in a while xd

sry to bother again can someone help me with these errors

[balmy barn]

its that script again, remove it

very old and outdated

[green lance]

Tried to add assets utilising vrcfury. my model already has gesture toggles and it worked in play mode but for some reason it won't upload? I do want to specify I bought these off booth so I do own these assets but its saying I don't for some reason???

[quasi crypt]

i got a problem i keep getting this basically when i click on a menu it did this infinite loop and is there a way to get rid of it or make it stop doing this or fix this so i wont encounter this problem ever again

[tender spade]

may i have some help in unity please
i have a VRoid rig in unity and when i try to add clothes to it the sleeves stay T-posed when i hit play
i have VRCFury armature link enabled and have watched many videos but nothing i do seams to work, any advice?

[bronze karma]

Are the bones named the same?

[tender spade]

no but when i started messing with the names more things semed to break so i stopped messing with that, should i rename all of the bones to match?

[balmy barn]

id do that in blender (easy just join mesh) but i can see you converted the vrm in unity wich is abit of a mess with that old converter

[tender spade]

Am I able to make it a toggle in blender?

[balmy barn]

how id do it - pc shader uv discard, quest keep it as seperate mesh and toggle it (unity) , but i always convert vrms in blender or add things there you dont end up with huge amount of meshes/materials

[tender spade]

Ok thanks! I’ll try that out

[unkempt iris]

hi id like to double check something! my avatar's front should be viewable from -y in blender right? so when i export it in unity it wont be rotated wrong?

[gaunt knoll]

+Y is forward +Z is Up

unless you changed them in your settings but default is +Y

[unkempt iris]

ok!!! just wanted to check

[proven quail]

That just means someone left an id in the Avi or something, or you've logged into another account in the project. Before, you would get an upload error because the avatar id would be linked to another account. Now the SDK automatically clears them for you as soon as you are logged in and it detects IDs linked to other accounts.

[green lance]

How should i fix it

Im highkey stupid

[proven quail]

There is nothing wrong. The SDK is just making sure your content is upload ready

[green lance]

Ok

[proven quail]

The other errors you got are very generic, just try uploading again

[stuck wadi]

how do you fix this

[gritty rover]

Does anyone know where i can find the derp asset?
Photo reference don’t mind the gun

[balmy barn]

there is a asset to move eye bones?

[sleek oxide]

whats the fastest way to find a missing script and delete it

[balmy barn]

build see path to object when it fail to find the script

[sleek oxide]

yeah idk what u just said 😄 im new to Unity

[oak briar]

anyone having issues Uploading avatars

[sleek oxide]

yeah sadly

[oak briar]

its weird that haven't said anything about it

[sleek oxide]

i said whats the fastest way to delete scripts i need to delete 3 of them to i think finish uploading

[oak briar]

Wym?

[sleek oxide]

cant find these ones

[oak briar]

it telling you where it is

[sleek oxide]

the numbers are the location?

[oak briar]

Its telling you Assets/FindMissingScripts Those are the Locations

of the ones giving you errors

[sleek oxide]

i felt so dumb that the file was in front of me tnx

[gaunt knoll]

probs fury

[proven quail]

where is your chest bone and shoulder bones? Unity and VRChat need them for the humanoid rig.

[left gull]

a bit late but that version of miko ooka was only shared around on ripper/pirater sites a long time ago, so you cant get it looking like that legally

there is a free model on booth iirc that's just the normal miko ooka though

[gritty rover]

Damn

[left gull]

found it: https://booth.pm/en/items/2861557

[gritty rover]

So why are the eyes like that then

[left gull]

because it was an edit of the model linked

[gritty rover]

Huh well that sucks i love those avis well damn thank you

[left gull]

i used to be a big user of miko ooka/"derp-chan" edits b4 i learned about where they're from/their usage permissions so i love helping people get their hands on their own :)

[balmy barn]

https://bowlroll.net/file/29215 it there, had it a very long time, pw not hard to figure out

[gleaming totem]

I am happy to receive any help I can get. @dreamy depot

Private chat

[dim dove]

I’m struggling with a avatar that I’ve made and I would love it if someone could help me

[somber sequoia]

that's what this channel is for.

[still shuttle]

Feel free to post here about the issues you are having. We cant help if we dont know whats wrong

[dim dove]

Thank you both firstly I appreciate that

so yeah i had gotten a free avi then free cloths and such but i cant seam to add anything else like gogo loco and the clothing of my choice. And seeing as how I dont want it to be over the top im keeping it simple. But now im noticing I made it for PC and Quest users cant see me.

pretty much im brand new to this and im super lost

[somber sequoia]

take one problem at a time and explain what you were doing, and what the result was

[dim dove]

sorry yes

Treid to put in gogo loco just to sit down in game lol. after putting that over i thought I had done it i uploaded it to vrc and when i got there it was no where to be seen in the little hud

[sleek oxide]

how do i get gogoloco if the avi didnt come with one

just downloaded it on a website?

[somber sequoia]

https://gogoloco.net/

[proven quail]

did you use the VRCFury prefab for gogo? If so, do you have VRCFury installed in the project?

you have unity installed and the creator companion and all that?

ohhh, you want someone to do it for you

go to VRCTraders discord and commission someone

[sleek oxide]

So basically I put in myself gogoloco but its not showing up in game do I need to put it in unity before the avatar or what im bit confused

[somber sequoia]

explain exactly what you did, perhaps we can spot an issue

[sleek oxide]

So basically when I uploaded the avi theres no gogoloco then I deleted the avi from vrchat website and tried putting in gogoloco myself and it still didnt show up

[somber sequoia]

I mean explain "putting in gogoloco myself" here

[sleek oxide]

The unity package file in the unity

[somber sequoia]

That is all?

[sleek oxide]

Where the avi Files are

[somber sequoia]

Just adding the package to the project is not enough

All that does is make the contents of the package available for use in the project.

[hardy crest]

Does anyone know why this happens? The View Position in the editor is correct, in game it's quite far off.

[night ember]

whatever the rig menu shows

what you upload in scene isnt necessarily the actual height

also if you have a long neck you dont actually want the view point to be that high up

it fucks with the tracking of the hands

[hardy crest]

Hand tracking is fine, but it's hard to place the viewpoint when you're not setting it where the eyes are.

[sleek oxide]

can someone drop me vrcfury file 😅

[gaunt knoll]

Just type vrcfury on the internet

[sleek oxide]

yeah but im confused on the websites it isnt clear to just press download

source codes etc overwhelming

[somber sequoia]

there's literally a "download VRCFury" link right on the homepage though

and then a page that describes how to do that

Did you need help with some part of that?

[sleek oxide]

i need the unity file but not that it adds it to creator companion

[somber sequoia]

why though?

But if you do need that, it's also linked on that same page

[sleek oxide]

because if i do it manually through creator companion it doesnt work when i inster gogoloco \

[somber sequoia]

that is not the reason. How you install this package does not change how it works.

Assuming you don't have like, multiple versions of this installed somehow

[sleek oxide]

only through vcc one

thats all maybe need to update it somehow?

[somber sequoia]

I would install the latest one, yes.

[fast jay]

the avatar descriptor isnt showing up in unity

[somber sequoia]

any compile errors in the conosle? Fix those first.

[fast jay]

uhhh

i cant use my computer atm

[somber sequoia]

not sure how we'll be able to help then, sorry

[fast jay]

also

is vcc supposed to open unity hub when u click on open project then i have to open the unity project in unity hub or is it not supposed to do that

[somber sequoia]

I don't use VCC or Windows, but I believe it should open the Unity editor, and that will cause Hub to open if it's not already open.

[fast jay]

it opens just unity hub and not the editor

[somber sequoia]

perhaps the wrong path is in VCC? I'm not sure if that's a thing there, perhaps ask in #creator-companion

I know in Alcom you can specify the path to the Unity editor.

[fast jay]

alcom?

[somber sequoia]

like VCC but third-party, runs on all platforms, and is claimed to be less buggy.

I use it because it runs on Linux.

[fast jay]

ohh

i see

[gaunt knoll]

The path can be set in CC

[somber sequoia]

ah, thanks, good to know.

[chilly solar]

hi friends, my tail wag anim isnt working for some reason? ive never had a problem with these. i did add a speed slider which ive never done before, maybe thats why? any thoughts?

[gaunt knoll]

Probably the only thing CC and alcom has in common

[somber sequoia]

Got looping enabled on the clip?

[chilly solar]

indeed

also thats better to be off on toggles that dont loop at all right?

[somber sequoia]

so what exactly happens when you say it "doesn't work"?

I'd think a wagging animation would loop, but it's entirely up to you.

[chilly solar]

when i go into play mode and turn it on, it just doesnt play

i also enabled is animated on the physbone

[somber sequoia]

Have you watched the animator while testing in play mode? Which state is active at the time?

[chilly solar]

how do i do that? in play mode the animator doesnt show anything

[somber sequoia]

are you using an emulator like Avatar 3.0 emulator or gesture manager?

[chilly solar]

gesture manager

[somber sequoia]

okay then you should be able to watch the animator in playmode.

[chilly solar]

:c

[fast jay]

oh yeah i have a model i made in blender, what file type should i export it as

[somber sequoia]

nono, not the animation window, the animation controller view

[chilly solar]

OHHH

[somber sequoia]

FBX

[fast jay]

ok

[chilly solar]

i dont know what im looking for tho here

[fast jay]

what about the textures cause it makes it have wierd textures

[somber sequoia]

set "apply scalings" to "FBX All" in the export dialog. And uncheck the option about leaf bones.

[somber sequoia]

watch which state is active while you change the menu items

[fast jay]

ok i see

[chilly solar]

im sorry i dont understand, you gotta be more specific :c

[fast jay]

do i export textures seperatly into like a folder or something

[somber sequoia]

I'd suggest finding a video about debugging. You watch the animation controller respond to the actions you're taking in the game, to see what it does, and why it isn't doing what you want.

[somber sequoia]

Definitely have textures as separate files, so you can use them in materials in Unity. Where you do that is up to you.

[fast jay]

i see

the wierd thing is the textutres in unity look like the textures of the model in blender specifically when i go to the animation tab

of blender

[somber sequoia]

I'm not really sure what you mean or are asking about?

[fast jay]

sorry, i usually word stuff weird

imma ask another question

so

how do i select what texture goes where

in unity

[somber sequoia]

textures go into materials, materials go into material slots. In blender you specific which faces those materials are applied to.

[fast jay]

i see

[chilly solar]

okay i figured out my tail wag anim problem i set up the speed slider wrong so i gotta learn how to do that, but now my chest size slider also does my fur and ear size slider and i literally dont know why, none of them are correlated in anyway

[narrow lotus]

Not sure if i can use this channel for this, but does anyone know where i could possibly find this hair? (i've seen it on some avatars and couldn't find anything on boothplorer)

[rich forge]

i need help making avatars can someone help

[ornate stump]

You have to elaborate the help you need.

[rich forge]

what program do i need to use ig

[ornate stump]

If you have to ask that question then it's more worthy for you to read this post #1139228456090087495 message

[rich forge]

oh mb... thank you

[eager surge]

Why does it not show the vrchat SDK and how do i make arm_l2 an ancestor of arm_l1

[fast jay]

is that a mii

[prisma sedge]

Wrong unity version. VRChat uses 2022.3.22
Check the rig settings by hitting the configure button

[gaunt knoll]

2022.3.22f1

[merry scaffold]

my sdk dos not let me login

dos anyone know what to do

[errant comet]

Can you log into the VRChat website with the same credentials?

[sleek oxide]

if i try to paste in gogoloco unity package its not letting me do it whats the problem like the avi is all good but doesnt have gogoloco

and have one error Missing Prefab Asset Gesture Manager does it have to do with anything

[somber sequoia]

Add the Gesture Manager package via VCC

it's very useful for testing.

No idea what is going on with gogo loco or why you won't just install it via VCC

[somber sequoia]

Blender, if it's actually not rigged properly.

[sleek oxide]

i installed it through vcc still nothing

[somber sequoia]

Doesn't mean it's on your avatar though. Is it?

[sleek oxide]

doesnt have files for gogoloco on the avi can i maybe screenshare becasue ive been messing with it way to long

[somber sequoia]

feel free to post images

But if you don't have a gogo loco prefab on the avatar in the hierarchy, it's not going to do anything

[plucky drum]

ive made a quest compatible avatar. its performance is poor but it works but upon adding a bottle with 900 triangles to it, it updates to say quest users will by default have it blocked. the error message only appears when the bottle is on the model. is there anything i can realistically do to improve or fix this?

[eager surge]

Yeah

[somber sequoia]

add fewer triangles

(it'd help to see the actual number, there's no need to crop your images so much)

[plucky drum]

the actual number is in the top left

[somber sequoia]

no I meant the avatar, you already said how many the bottle has

[sleek oxide]

when i drag the gogoloco it wont let me drag it in

[somber sequoia]

again, why are you trying to drag in a unity package?

[plucky drum]

oh avatar is 18000

this is the number with the bottle enabled

[sleek oxide]

but installing it through vcc isnt working i got vcfurry and i need the gogoloco files to be imported

[somber sequoia]

If you already installed gogo loco via VCC then it's already in your project and you don't need to install another unitypackage.

[plucky drum]

i know it says no more than 10000 but that simply isnt possible for the model ive already crunched it down so much

[somber sequoia]

And again "isn't working" - explain what you mean by this. As I said, just having the package in your project does not mean it's on the avatar itself.

[sleek oxide]

how can i check where the gogoloco is located because i tested the avi by uploading it and it wont show up

[somber sequoia]

Expand the avatar in the hierarchy on the left and see if the prefab is on there somewhere. If not, add it (see the gogo loco instructions for full details)

[sleek oxide]

bruh i need someone to help me while i screenshare this is to confusing 🥲

[somber sequoia]

Fuuujin usually has good ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INsbWTHx050

[sleek oxide]

its not even showing up in tools vrcfury is but gogoloco no sign of it

[plucky drum]

ive crunched the bottle way down to 148 triangles and im still being told that somehow pushes it over the limit. ive had prior version of the model push an extra 1k tris from where it currently is so i dont think its tri count thats the issue

[somber sequoia]

Did you enable read/write on the model file?

[plucky drum]

yup

[somber sequoia]

also that bounding box is crazy

oh that one is better

[plucky drum]

yea i forgot to scale it down

[somber sequoia]

still really big

[plucky drum]

yea its down to the right size now

[eager surge]

How do I change the version and make arm_l2 a ancestor of arm_l1

[somber sequoia]

I answered for the latter - go into Blender and reset up the rigging.

As for Unity, VRChat has docs on that, you'll need to remove that one and install the proper version. You can just have VCC install it, if you use that.

[sleek oxide]

dont have the file to drag on my avatr for gogoloco

[somber sequoia]

look in prefabs maybe? I know it's a prefab you want

[stuck wadi]

how do i fix this

[somber sequoia]

See #quest-optimization for clues on how to decrease the size of your avatar. Often you can decrease texture size, or remove unused blendshapes.

[stuck wadi]

oki

[wraith sail]

blender keeps crashing when merging armatures ??