avatar-help

[somber sequoia]

in blender: edit mode, select faces, 'p' to "part" them out into their own object.

[hoary crane]

Did you select the android option when installing Unity?

Are these all separate meshes?

Honestly it's pretty good

If you want it to be a fully functional avatar though, model it with the mouth hanging open

[barren radish]

How do I fix this issue?

the feet just sink through the floor

[cerulean flax]

Yeah. I just made a bunch of UV spheres and sculpted from there.

[cerulean flax]

Thank you

[cerulean flax]

Great idea!

[lilac wigeon]

Yes

[icy haven]

there anyone getting this?

[somber sequoia]

look in your console for errors

[icy haven]

remove vrcfury and modular avatar then?

[random ivy]

Hihiiiiiiiiii! Need some blender help. How do I weight the outfit so it doesn't stretch so much with the upper leg? (Using a sculpted Chocolat base)

empty outfit is default, fitted one is sculpted

[somber sequoia]

the transparency is making it really hard to see, but the answer is going to be "better weight painting" either way

[random ivy]

that's why i'm asking about the weight paint lol. I'm no expert with blender, so i'm open to input

Here's the weight paint. Would i reduce it?

[somber sequoia]

it's a hard area to get right, but I don't have a whole lot of suggestion other than to keep trying 🙂

[junior void]

Definitely red is too heavy for this area

Also you have a working mesh, why not transfer the painting to your edit?

[somber sequoia]

I wouldn't judge that based on the color alone

[desert bronze]

hey

kazin

[somber sequoia]

definitely try robust weight transfer, but expect you'll still have to touch it up, definitely in this area

please don't ping me for random new questions

[desert bronze]

huh

[random ivy]

i transferred the body's weights to the outfit. Is that what you're referring to?

idk

[pure thicket]

i cant really tell what I'm looking at but it looks like someone didnt properly connect two meshes together so the normal smoothing is freaking out

maybe u could fix it by adjusting auto smoothing in blender? if you dont want to spend time fixing the actual mesh

[junior void]

Referring to the video where you showed it working

[limber bison]

I know what your talking about, but I'm having difficulty trying to select all the faces because there's so many

[barren radish]

Does anyone know how I can fix this? sandals clipping thru the floor so it only shows the feet

[sleek pebble]

Can someone help me add gogoloco to my avatar?

Wait nvm I think I figured it out?

I only have regular and beyond what’s the difference?

[somber sequoia]

couple of tricks here: make use of the "select more" and "select less" things.
you could mark some seams then select linked all (with 'l') to get everything bounded by seams

or go into xray mode and select vertices, sometimes that's easier

or even convert the tris to quads, that'll make selecting by loops quicker

[somber sequoia]

this is described in detail in the gogo loco documentation

[barren radish]

Hey Kazin do u know how I can fix the feet clipping issue?

[somber sequoia]

not without examining it in depth.

[barren radish]

what do you mean by "in depth"

[somber sequoia]

I mean I have no idea what the problem is given the information provided.

[barren radish]

When I upload any avatar the feet clip through the floor even if i raise the avatar up a bit in Unity*

I dont know why it does it

[limber bison]

figured it out, thank you!

[random ivy]

Got it! I transferred the body's weights to the suit before. I just transferred a fresh copy of the suit's weights to the edited one and it's much better

[pure thicket]

you should take a picture of it in unity

[barren radish]

This is another avatar with the same issues

[pure thicket]

why are they below the feet even in unity

you have to line them up with the feet, also if they are heeled shoes that raise your characters foot up its gonna cause issues cos the foot bone will still want to snap to the floor because of IK

i wonder how you fix something like that, i havent had to think about it before

[night hemlock]

Hello all. Been struggling for a few hours after using my current project's Avi FBX to update some shape keys in blender. Trying to replace the FBX file after making the edits causes the avatar to completely disappear from the scene. Tried deleting the old FBX and meta file and replacing it with the new FBX using the previous identical file name -couple other things. Just trying to avoid having to redo the project and readding components, assets, etc. Sorry to bother, any direction is appreciated.

[ornate stump]

This happens if you unpack avatar fbx prefab in the scene and update its fbx file. You should not unpack prefab.

[night hemlock]

Damn. . . yeah that is the case then. I guess I got no other choice then. Now I know to just leave it packed for future projects.

[barren radish]

They are not heeled shoes they are a different asset entirely but I can only assume they’re the cause of the problem?

[barren radish]

Is it because no one’s pointed out the avatars feet for you?

[pure thicket]

im confused what you mean

[barren radish]

I only noticed this issue after a friend pointed it out and I can only assume you’ve never ran into it because people don’t look at the avatars feet enough 🤣

I am more focused on the face

[frigid glade]

If they’re heels and you want them to raise the avatar up with them then I don’t think there’s a way to do that. You’re gonna have to move the shoes manually so that they’re above the floor level

[night ember]

If you dont have fbt technically you can?
If you have fbt then you cant

[frigid glade]

You can technically but you wouldn’t really want to because you can’t change the viewpoint

[barren radish]

So moving the model upwards in unity ain’t gonna fix the clipping issue?

[inner belfry]

Hey, I need some help, I'm trying to get an avatar I bought from a creator and when I set it up, for some reason it's like this, am I missing something?

I'm very new to vrchat creating. and some help would be great!!!

[frigid glade]

Not really no

[inner belfry]

um...help? 🙏

[frigid glade]

Do you have an fbx file??

[inner belfry]

I don't exactly see one. it should come with one

[frigid glade]

You’ll need the fbx file for the actual model itself

It looks like you have the assets for the avatar, just not the model

[inner belfry]

great, it seems the creator never even put the fbx in the first place.

nor even mentioned doesn't come with an fbx

[steel panther]

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message

[steel panther]

i don't have either of those things, do i need them?

are they they same error? 🥹

oh wait

sorry discord keeps taking me to a diff message i think

lol im so dumb, i forgot to resize my thumbnail

i got it uploaded 😹

[steel panther]

isn't this in vrc/mobile or can not be in subfolders at all

[ornate stump]

Some shader in mobile section is meant for world use.

[steel panther]

i see, i was using it for 2D eyes/mouth 🥹 is there in equiv to alpha blend for avis in that section?

it brightened up nicely while having transparency wahh

[timber wharf]

no

only add and mult blending is available for avis, and nothing with use of alpha channel

[strong estuary]

Anyone aware of any potential problems with contact recievers not working properly?

[steel panther]

hmm maybe i can make multi work

[wanton cedar]

Who made it?

They probably wrote what was included in the purchase, but you mightve missed that

[reef zealot]

Hey y'all, having a weird issue in Unity where most changes I make (shader sliders, blendshape sliders, etc) get reset after a few seconds. I don't have animations playing and I'm not in playmode.

Any ideas on how to fix it?

[balmy barn]

you have a old sdk with a controller in your animator

get 3.10.1

[balmy barn]

who is this creator you bought it from , nardragon isnt excactly unknown

[reef zealot]

Are there any new known issues with it? I'm a little hesitant to update again after the last time >~<

Removing the controller did work though, ty

[balmy barn]

id avoid 3.9 , im on 3.10,1 havnt run into anything

[reef zealot]

I'm on 3.9, when I updated to it I had to remake my project entirely because the SDK completely stopped functioning on my previous project

[balmy barn]

yeh 3.9 had issues

[reef zealot]

Which is why I'm a lil hesitant to change again haha

I guess I'll update

[balmy barn]

think all my packages have been updated for it now

[plush hull]

anyone would be able to help me edit an avi pls ? idk how to do it, down to vc for explanations

[somber sequoia]

no, but if you want to ask detailed questions in here, you'll probably get some answers.

[plush hull]

basically i bought some accessories i want to put on my avi but idrk how to do it

i bought like a christmas hat, slippers, pants and a santa cloat

[sage garnet]

watch a video on vrcfury its how i added a flashlight to my avatar

[sick star]

i have an animation that doesnt reset when the toggle is turned off for it, and i suck with animators, anyone know how to fix it?

[somber sequoia]

you'd need to show us the animation layer and the transitions to/from that state

[sick star]

these?

[somber sequoia]

those, click the other transition and make sure the conditions are what you expect them to be.

[sick star]

im not sure what would be making the animation not ever stop once it starts though

[somber sequoia]

you don't have an off condition specified there, so this will just loop back and forth

see how the other one has a condition? add similar.

[sick star]

so copy it like this? also is there a specific way i do an off condition

[somber sequoia]

I assume you want off to be when that toggle variable is off, so it should check for that to be False

I strongly suggest you watch tutorials on toggles.

[sick star]

i really dont know lmao

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's a lot, probably 1 is fine.

yep, though be aware that can sometimes be problematic.

it's probably fine here.

[sick star]

also forgot to say but idk if one would cover it since its kinda specific

[somber sequoia]

nothing specific about that, it's just a basic toggle.

[sick star]

the toggle turns on a bottle and collider, and then it turns on an animation when it reaches another collider

[somber sequoia]

doesn't matter what the animation actually does.

[sick star]

alright

[somber sequoia]

"default" option in the avatar parameters list

[sick star]

they were on, this is still kinda confusing though lol

on how fixing the animation goes, i usually avoid diving into the animator but fixing stuff would be nice

the entire thing is already setup because my friend made it for me, but he doesnt know what he did wrong or hes just lazy i dunno he just didnt make the animation reset/stop after the toggles turned off

true

well theres for sure a lot i dont understand lol

[radiant zephyr]

May you help me with something?

I wanted to learn how to make a object in edit mode visible in playmode, id tried several methods and nothing worked

Everything is already added onto the avatar, like a avatar will have a default look for when its in play mode and when its in game. ill use hair for an example

The white would be in play mode and pink in edit

[timber vortex]

anyone able to help me with some unity? i havent touched it in a year and forgot how to use it.

[somber sequoia]

feel free to ask detailed questions.

[timber vortex]

im not sure whats changed in the last year as far as uploading and physbones

[somber sequoia]

nothing really significant, but the docs are updated to reflect anything:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar

they also have a full changelog if you want to actually read about updates

[versed marsh]

So i just bought this prefab and im unsure if i completely replace my arm and rejoin the mesh or overlay the new arms

[somber sequoia]

Always replace if you can, no need to have mesh sticking around if it's not used

[versed marsh]

Sounnds good! ty :3

[still shuttle]

I have an avatar Im using a fake index controller on, I'm wondering if there is a way to create a toggle to turn it off and use default gesture animations?

[night ember]

just use a bool as a second condition

[balmy barn]

here's one way of doing alt gestures depends on a toggle or something it can detect

[heavy ingot]

Im learning how to make vr models using booth base ichigo, is it possible to get a western avatar assets and place it on the eastern avatar etc booth avatar?

[still shuttle]

wouldnt it cause claw hands?

[night ember]

no?

[somber sequoia]

you can put whatever you want on whatever you want, with some skill

[night ember]

youd have a second set of animations

[heavy ingot]

As a noob- zilch-

I barely started using Unity and VCC last weekend

[somber sequoia]

this will be very, very hard then. But you can learn 🙂

[still shuttle]

I dont see how, sorry I'm a bit confused

[heavy ingot]

Im having trouble importing her in general everytime its saying im missing liltoon scripts even though I have it installed

@somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

I don't know anything about liltoon

[night ember]

thulen literally sent an image

[still shuttle]

I understand the multiple conditions

[heavy ingot]

I keep getting this error

[still shuttle]

Im not fully understanding how it would have the other animations automatically like how you were implying with your message here

[night ember]

you dont just automatically get animations

you put them there

[still shuttle]

My thoughts exactly, yet your initial message implys that they would just auto switch

[night ember]

[still shuttle]

The word "just" indicates that adding a bool would be the only thing I would have to do lol

[night ember]

to have the ability to swap to different animations yes?

you dont need some advanced transition or component setup
you just use a bool as a second condition
if true use this set of animations
if false use this other set of animations

[heavy ingot]

Bumping. Anyone that uses liltoon, what do I do?

I purchased ichigo straight from booth

And I keep getting an error

[hidden epoch]

Im gonna try to use the assets i have too make this avatar in blender. But i uhh have no idea how to use blender does anyone have any honorable mentions for videos i can use for directions

[somber sequoia]

Rainhet's tutorials maybe. Possibly "the donut tutorial" but it's a bit dated now.

[timber wharf]

what, theres donut tutorial for every version

[somber sequoia]

oh there is? very cool, I haven't looked in a while

[pine forge]

Does anybody know how to make it so your avatar in VR Chat looks like it's moving at a different frame, i heard a year ago from one of my friends it has something to do with poiyomi or physbones, can anybody help me out with that? basically its for a ATSV spider-punk

[night ember]

constraints

a lot of constraints

[pine forge]

Explain?

like is there anything i can do or like a video i can go based off of

[night ember]

so basically you have constraints on every single bone
that freezes to world and then unfreezes

and you just change how fast you freeze and unfreeze to get different frame rates

[somber sequoia]

oh that's clever

[pine forge]

If you don't mind me asking which constraint is it?

[night ember]

Parent

[boreal heron]

I imported my model from blender as im trying to get into 3d modeling i already finished the rig and stuff for the avatar in blender and imported it all to unity everything else is fine its just this problem that i cant fix can anyone help?

[somber sequoia]

show more of the armature. Ideally from hips down to head, with the shoulder bones visible, but you can collapse the arms.

not enough info in that second image to make any suggestion

[proper warren]

Yeaaa sooo how if you dont mind me asking i aint never use these mfs

[night ember]

What

[proper warren]

how-

im so confused

[night ember]

How what

[proper warren]

how do i use parent contraints 😭

im slow as hell

[boreal heron]

I know the model is very basic but its the first model i ever made and im only doing this to see how i can import models into unity and upload them for future models i plan on making in the future

[night ember]

Its just you add a target then click enable and when weight 1 it follows that target?

Idk what you are doing

[proper warren]

im trying to do this

[night ember]

Thats definitely not humanoid

[somber sequoia]

No? The bone names are nonstandard but the hierarchy looks ok

[night ember]

Just enable the constraint and use tge freeze to world checkbox

[somber sequoia]

I don't see the neck or head though, which I did ask for.

[proper warren]

like this?

[night ember]

Sure?

Thatd freeze the bone yes

[boreal heron]

U want me to show a sc of where the neck and head is at?

[somber sequoia]

I would like to see an image of what I asked for the first time, in order to see the full spine hierarchy.

To reiterate too, you can collapse the arm at the shoulder, only the shoulder bones are relevant right now

[proper warren]

how would i make it unfreeze and do the frame shi

[somber sequoia]

...

alright then, I'll just wish you luck.

[night ember]

I already said how
Animate freeze to world

[proper warren]

dawg he looks like this 😭

[boreal heron]

yeah im pretty stupid ive never done FBX upload

[night ember]

Cause you didnt uncheck freeze to world?

[somber sequoia]

for everyone: lack of experience does not mean you are stupid.

[boreal heron]

LIKE

[pine forge]

bro is mad confused

do you make it an animation afterwards, the part where he is confused is. you said to check on the freeze to world then you said to uncheck it... so is it animation thing or do you have it checked on when in playmode

[night ember]

[somber sequoia]

you check or uncheck it via animation.

[night ember]

^

"freeze to world" is self explanatory

when checked it literally freezes it to world so it doesnt move

[pine forge]

uh huh-

[night ember]

so youd think you just animate it on and off so it freezes and unfreezes the avatar like a framerate

[pine forge]

Yeah kinda??

[steel panther]

imprted blendshapes from another model (updated version of the one im working on, nothing changed except blendshapes)
the visemes blendshapes work fine, but for some reason my eye blendshapes are stuck on these. when I clear them as set my Body back it shows nothing, until i re-enter the page and its some wrong blendshapes again. doesn't let me change them at all, anyone have any ideas how i can fix this?

[proper warren]

how do i fix when it works blender perfectly fine

[hazy sphinx]

how do i reupload an uploaded avatar to android

[past glacier]

switch build to android and just upload it again

[hazy sphinx]

tha'd upload a second avi

[past glacier]

aslong as you put in the id it will upload the same avatar just a quest version

[hazy sphinx]

where do i put the id tho

[past glacier]

switching the build to android doesnt make it a new avi upload

it will just upload it for android

[hazy sphinx]

i have 2 avi's, 1 for quest, 1 for pc. WHERE do i put the id on the quest avi?

[past glacier]

pipeline manager then blueprint id

and you can find the id for the avatar either in the pipeline manager for the pc one or content manager and click copy id

👍

[brave moss]

My face tracking isn't working. FBX has ARkit 52, and I am using an ARkit prefab, but... only eye tracking, nothing else. My method does work because FT on other avatars does work. Given that I'm an idiot with almost no blender skills and minimal familiarity with VRC's SDK, where would be the best places to start looking to debug it and get it to work where I need it?

[past glacier]

does the head have blendshapes for the mouth?

also remember to check for vrcfury update

[brave moss]

yep, full ARkit 52. So not the unity standard, no individual cheek puffs, lot of it is symmetrical only - but I'm specifically using one of the jerry prefabs for ARkit so I guess I was hoping/assuming it would be kind of plug-and-play. The model I'm working with was originally a commission for VRM format and I've used its face tracking in that context

https://pooyadeperson.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-creating-arkits-52-facial-blendshapes/

How are blendshapes actually gathered from the fbx in unity? Like, is it name correlating, or does it have to be a specific order? Is it possible my error is organizational somewhere? I can't find anything wrong with it, but I'm struggling to think of anything else that would be causing issues

[past glacier]

you have to name them exactly in blender

the eye tracking works fully right?

[brave moss]

yep

[past glacier]

you can also test with avatar 3.0 emulator

then pull up the user inputs then floats and then you can test the face tracking while in unity

[brave moss]

ah, wait

I believe the blendshapes are set up specific to hte head mesh in the armature collection

Would that be what's causing the issues? Does it all need to be unified to one, like, 'part' for the unity/VRC sdk to use it?

[past glacier]

in unity the mesh that you wanna use for face tracking has to be named "Body"

[brave moss]

Got it. That's so weirdly specific 😭 but I can see why it wouldn't be able to be autodetected. Tysm

[past glacier]

👍

[brave moss]

Just to confirm, all other meshes are safe to be any name, right? The core rigged body (fingers, legs, limbs, body body) can be safely renamed to something like "torsoCoreBody" and the blendshaped head "Body"?

[past glacier]

yes

[blissful mantle]

How do I use a contact receiver for counting touches

[kindred flame]

hi, im new to making vrc avatars and used vroid, however the physbones arent showing on the hair, idk what to do

[polar dawn]

Who knows good Audiolink values that look cool?

[polar dawn]

you need to find the hair root in the hierarchy on the left then click and drag it into the root transform on the right

[kindred flame]

so under the "Root" thingy?

[soft wadi]

does anyone know how to add headlook onto a generic rig avatar?

or add custom animations onto a humanoid rig?

[polar dawn]

ye click the arrow until you find the head still on the left

[distant sleet]

on the right is the main avatar and on left is an outfit how to transfer some bones to my avatar to set up physbones latter?

[polar dawn]

should be like a dropdown

[kindred flame]

these?

[polar dawn]

yes try and click and drag the J_Bip_C_Head into the root transform

[kindred flame]

thank you

[polar dawn]

you got it?

[distant sleet]

it should to turn on or off for merge all bones?

[thick gyro]

so i need help for whatever reasone the ma shape changer acts opposite

when set to 100

[somber sequoia]

Blendshapes in this case use the name. The only ones that seem to care about the order are VRChat's usage of the blink and eye look up/down blenshapes.

[modest ferry]

when i use PCSS its really bright and im not sure how to make it softer/darker (like w NGSS). Im not really sure how to set up NGSS and i havent found any good help online. Does anyone have any tips for using it?

[mighty basin]

i feel like this is an easy thing but i cant find it, how do you change the default state of your avatar. cause all the clothing is enabled for people who dont have my avi enabled

[marsh yacht]

what does the default state look like in unity? do you have all the clothing visible by default?

[mighty basin]

yes

[marsh yacht]

you have to hide the clothing in unity first for the default state to be without the cloting

if thats what youre trying to do

[mighty basin]

so just hit the eyeball?

[marsh yacht]

thats just a temporary fix

hold on just a moment, i actually forgot how to do it

[mighty basin]

take your time, thank you for helping me

[marsh yacht]

look for the checkmark at the top of the inspector

uncheck it then see if that fixes the problem

[mighty basin]

gotchu, ill try that and see if it fixes

[marsh yacht]

dont do this for the body just the objects you dont want visible yet

you might have to change your toggles though afterward to reflect whats going on but im not too sure

[mighty basin]

yea, from off to on to on to off or somn

[marsh yacht]

yea from off to on

[mighty basin]

ill let ya know if it worked thank you!

[marsh yacht]

ofc! hopefully that fixes the problem

on another note, does anyone happen to know why my avatar is pulling default textures instead of the ones i made ingame? theyre fine in unity but once theyre ingame the textures are messed up and are showing the default textures for the avatar instead of mine

[somber sequoia]

eyeball just controls what's visible in the Unity editor, it has no effect on the game

"properly linked"?

[marsh yacht]

if you mean the material circles, it seems that some of them were missing shaders therefore also missing textures, could this be the issue?

[somber sequoia]

if they're ones you use and are missing textures, yep, that's a problem

[kindred flame]

bro why my animation not show on scene brah

[somber sequoia]

why's that "don't destroy on load" thing there? are you in play mode or something?

[kindred flame]

i guess

oops

doesnt work in normal mode either tho

[somber sequoia]

separate issue

[marsh yacht]

awesome, ive began working on this as i must have overlooked the issue. ive had this issue before but i fixed it in a different way, will be replacing the missing shaders with Poiyomi, thank you!

i went back and double checked everything else and all the shaders are in place properly everywhere else except the materials

[marsh yacht]

a shot in the dark but close and reopen unity

sometimes it just

doesnt know what its supposed to be doing

[kindred flame]

alright, imma pray that it works

[kindred flame]

okay now it works but also this happens when i zoom in

and she goes in the ground

[marsh yacht]

the biker pose is normal from what i can recall (dont know if this depends on what youre doing) but it sounds like your camera settings went funky

[kindred flame]

🥹

[dense meadow]

im trying to actually customize an avatar for the first time as opposed to uploading a fully completed one, and i got this outfit. the installation instructions say to import the physbones but i....... dont really get what its asking, cause i cant find anything specifically about it. and yea the outfit itself has no physics imported normally. ive seen the same outfit on other avatars and it has physics, so im a lil confused on what its asking me to do qvq its this outfit https://pii34.booth.pm/items/5222688 for chiffon, if anyone could tell me what im missing id appreciate it!

[mighty basin]

it worked 👍

though while doing toggles my unity crashed and i did the dumb dumb of not saving. . . .

so i did it twice :D

[kindred flame]

why does my vrc sdk not have the folder in assets even though i do have a menu option at the top

[somber sequoia]

check the eyeball in the upper-right of the project window, you may have those things hidden

wait, in assets? that isn't how it works anymore, it's under Packages

[kindred flame]

well im following a tutorial and they use this directory

[somber sequoia]

then that tutorial is very outdated, that isn't where that is anymore.

[kindred flame]

ohhh

thank you kazin!

[somber sequoia]

it should be in Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Samples/AV3 Demo Assets/Animation/Controllers

[marsh yacht]

you can also manually add physbones btw

if theyre not properly importing correctly

[dense meadow]

i figured as much- so is it an import problem? or is it just expected to add physbones yourself?

[somber sequoia]

there's no real standard, but I'd expect the avatar would have them

[dense meadow]

i was sort of hoping to avoid that, since it seems like a lot of work, but if thats what i gotta do then guess i should get to learning :,)

[somber sequoia]

it's really minimal work

[marsh yacht]

its quite simple

[dense meadow]

yes, i expected as much too, other times i have seen the outfit the physics have all been the same, and thats the impression i got from the readme

hrm. o well, thanks for checking it out qvq oh- could it be a version issue? i use the version of unity the vcc installed

[marsh yacht]

if the clothing was made in an older version, its possible that could be an issue if it was never updated

but i suggest manually adding the physbones, reinstalling a whole new version just for some outdated cloting is more work than just adding them yourself in a newer version

[somber sequoia]

how old is the avatar? does it have dynamic bones rather than physbones?

[dense meadow]

no, the avatar itself is chiffon and the physbones on it work just fine. the outfit was....... uploaded in 2023, im unsure when it was last updated. now that im in it looking it... doesnt seem to have bones at all. alr thats. interesting.

[dense meadow]

wait, yes it does, i think? hrm. this is certainly. an experience.

[dense meadow]

AH i figured it out!!!!!! ok cool, thanks everyone for humoring me lol

[kindred flame]

im changing the shaders to be quest compatibal, is it supposed to look weird and distorted? (replying to video js so you can see what it looked like before)

[bold river]

I have everything working on my model in unity and vrchat for myself. But other people cannot see my toggles even with everything enabled. How do I fix this?

[arctic ginkgo]

do you have "sync" enabled for each parameter in your expression parameters list?

[calm knot]

I want to make a sleeping emote for my avi. I am using a particle emitter to spawn particles but it doesn't look good from certain angles. I'd like to have the particles move up and to the right from anywhere it is viewed. Is there a way this can be done?

[arctic ginkgo]

yes, this should be pretty simple, but hpw do you have it set up now? and why doesn't it look good from some angles?

you could just scale them and have them move with noise tbh

if the pivot point is at the bottom right

[arctic ginkgo]

let me try setting one up rq

[calm knot]

One moment, I'll get you some settings.

[arctic ginkgo]

hmm okay so what I was able to do was offset the pivot and then use size over lifetime to give the appearance of movement, but this wouldn't work with your size over time settings right now

[calm knot]

The particles are using size over lifetime to get them to grow and shrink after being emitted. My problem is they stack up on each other when viewed from the side.

[arctic ginkgo]

yes, i'm offering a solution that involves using size over lifetime, but then it wouldn't have the effect of shrinking and growing back and forth, just growing over time

so it looks like it's going to the right from all angles

[calm knot]

Ah I see. The growing and shrinking is a requirement.

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm sorry also that I had said it was simple at first, I think I misunderstood what you were asking

[arctic ginkgo]

you could potentially negate this with texture sheet or material animations

for example, animating the tiling

the downside to each respectively is:

• moves in steps
• changes the size of all particles simultaneously

you could also have a frame-by-frame animation for the entire thing

so like all 3 are on one texture sheet

i'm not sure if there's a solution without compromises

[calm knot]

There's no way to have the emitter always face the viewer, is there?

[arctic ginkgo]

I don't think so, no

actually i feel like there could be a solution with sub emitter particle systems

i'm not totally sure yet

agh i don't think so

[calm knot]

Hrmmm... well thank you for your help. I'm going to keep at this for a while longer and try to figure this out. I'll keep an eye here if anything comes up.

[slate otter]

How do I upload avatars on phone?? I don't have a pc in order to upload an avatar and I wanna upload files I bought onto me and a friend's account

[ornate stump]

You don't upload avatars on a phone. You need a pc that can run unity.

[slate otter]

That's the problem, I dont have one

[mortal summit]

i need help on 2D eyes, i dunno how they work at all or how to rig them

[timber wharf]

place long bones far away from your pupils

so when they rotate theyd need only tiny angles

[steep quiver]

Have or Pay someone you trust to upload to your account

[wanton cedar]

Would a contact sender from the foot to the floor be a plane on the ground or something else? Im attempting to give my footsteps noise when you place your foot on the floor, but im not sure if a plane would work best or not.

[ornate stump]

Contact doesn't have plane shape.

[wanton cedar]

oh fr?

I swore I saw a plane shape. Maybe im thinking of colliders

[ornate stump]

That's for physbone collider.

[wanton cedar]

Yeah I know

Well now im stumped, a plane sounded like a good idea

[ornate stump]

Just make a contact large radius and put under the floor.

[wanton cedar]

How large are we talking?

just enough for the leg radius to reach?

[ornate stump]

Enough for it to cover area that can be touched by the feet.

[wanton cedar]

Alright, I will try that. Thank you.

🙂‍↕️

[plush hull]

guys i would need help, i need to take a piece of clothing from an Ace base to an Akii base, i checked on unity they are not that different, i'll pay someone if needed

[round comet]

You might get scam messages saying this

Also whoever you comm needs to own Akii base and whatever asset you’re referring to

It may be better to ask around avatar servers

[vivid dirge]

I need some help for my avatar. I built it from scratch and it is a digitigrade (yes, its a furry avatar, for avian to be exact). Problem is that when I am in game, in crouch pose for exemple (and also lying on the ground), the legs don't bent correctly: the angle is not correct and they a little bit inside the torso. So I created a new animation for the pose I wanted to have in croutch pose still on blender. Imported the file of my avatar in fbx with the animation in it and then no unity, the pose seems quite off and it is even worst in game. I don't really know how to correct it.

[ornate stump]

You have to make sure that knee joints are bent forward in the rest pose.

[wanton cedar]

How would one randomize sounds via the audio source? blend tree or something?

[timber wharf]

@wanton cedar https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-play-audio

[vivid dirge]

I should precise that I don't have a vr set and so its the default movements. knees are already bend forward in the tpose (the rest one) and crouch pose, it is just that somethings seems to the wrong when going from blender to unity, or maybe something else that I don't get

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the bone pose to confirm how it actually is?

[lucid ice]

is there a way to stop unity from pixelating my textures when I put them on a model? They look fine in substance painter but just get hella pixelated when I put them on a material, despite the resolution being untouched when i export

my scales aren't supposed to look like they are from a N64 game 😭

[timber wharf]

@vivid dirge digitigrade requires constraints setup on top of fake normal legs afaik

@lucid ice first, make sure og textures are power of 2 in resolution (like 2048x1024). then check texture import settings

[lucid ice]

ah okie

here's what the import settings look like, dunno if i should touch anything

[timber wharf]

no. but if theyre say 1500x1500 youd get nearest lower power of 2 ie 1024x1024

[ornate stump]

Also change filter mode to Point

[timber wharf]

heres long article on preffered texture compression https://www.poiyomi.com/blog/2022-10-17-texture-optimization

but shouldn't make huge difference in your case

[lucid ice]

alright, thank you both

[vivid dirge]

Can I send it in MP?

[ornate stump]

Post your screenshot in this channel.

[vivid dirge]

Crouch pose

[ornate stump]

You should screenshot the rest post.

[vivid dirge]

Rest pose @ornate stump

[ornate stump]

And also view from top.

[timber wharf]

@vivid dirge #avatar-rigging message

[ornate stump]

That looks correct. But since it's digitigrade legs, it requires extra setup to it.

[timber wharf]

again, you cant just call digitigrade bones to be humanoid legs, they need extra humanoid bones

[vivid dirge]

Yes, I ahve red that I need different bones for rigging thant the actual bones

But for now my legs are not really rigged I am playing on the computer

[timber wharf]

it doesnt matter

it plays humanoid unity animations when on desktop

[vivid dirge]

even if I change the poses in unity?

[timber wharf]

well if you have custom animations for that then perhaps

then make sure clips dont start with proxy_ in their name if youre replacing/editing em

[vivid dirge]

what the proxy_ does?

[ornate stump]

Placeholder animation that's doesn't contain actual animation that will get replaced in game.

[timber wharf]

ye, proxy expected to be same across all avatars so its not bundled to save traffic/size

[wanton cedar]

thank you

[river phoenix]

Somoene know why i don't see m'y package on the top of the project but i see it in the project pannel

[ornate stump]

If you're going to change the place of discussion then you should include a link to the previous discussion too https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1448639178953855018

Have you tried clearing cache as I said before?

[river phoenix]

Yeah

Is still the same

[plush hull]

i have a mat cap texture and a txture called transparent but i don't know where to put them in my mat ( it's a body mat)

the with n the blue one

[somber sequoia]

transparent might be an alpha mask? Though I'm not sure why it would be anything but greyscale if that's the case.

could be color for a transparent material though

[blissful mantle]

how to visualize a vrc contact receiver position?

i cant see if this is correct

[somber sequoia]

make sure you have gizmos on in the Scene view, and if you select the object that ^ component is on, it should show up

[digital mantle]

Question, I lost my avatar files and I want to update my avatar, is there a way to get it back?

[night ember]

no files no avatar

[blissful mantle]

it worked thx

[late tinsel]

is there no world help?

[night ember]

theres an entire worlds & udon tab

#world-development

[hoary crane]

What texture size and file format do you typically use?

I know it's technically by MB

[night ember]

1024 resolution maximum

[hoary crane]

JPG, PNG?

[night ember]

png cause transparency

[hoary crane]

Wait... a 1024x1024 PNG is only 27 kilobytes

It can't be bigger?

[night ember]

you dont exactly need more

[grand scaffold]

Heads up, In engine the size goes up as unity converts it to a format the GPU can use.

[hoary crane]

I figured it would do something like that

Hmm

Okay so, VRChat reports my used texture memory as 2.67 mb, but the PNG file is 213 kb

Roughly 12x

And its 2048x2048

[grand scaffold]

for this reason, textures have to be uncompressed before the GPU can read them so the file size increase is expected

[grand scaffold]

Is the image itself 2048x2048 or is that just the max resolution in the inspector?

[hoary crane]

The image itself is 2048x2048px

This is good to know, cause I have to do a ton of facial expressions

[arctic ginkgo]

you may have other textures contributing to the total size

[hoary crane]

There's only 1 texture

[arctic ginkgo]

while these are small, many people don't consider menu icon textures, when you have a lot of these, it can contribute heavily

just want to make sure you check those, people forget about them

[hoary crane]

Or at least only 1 material slot. No special menu icons, do defaults count?

[arctic ginkgo]

no that shouldn't make a difference then

just wanted to double check

[hoary crane]

Then I guess it's safe to have 1 texture that is 2048x2048

And still remain Excellent in Mobile

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah i try not to go above that

[grand scaffold]

2.7mb is the standard size of a 2k texture with mipmaps enabled provided it's using the default DXT1 format

[arctic ginkgo]

it really isn't necessary to use 2048 most of the time anyways

[hoary crane]

I'm gonna have a ton of 2D facial expression plates

[arctic ginkgo]

you can usually use 1024 for most things, and that gives you 4x as many textures

[grand scaffold]

Disabling mipmaps will reduce the size to 2mb but it's not recommended as your material will likely have noticeable artefacting the further away you go

[arctic ginkgo]

yes but i would disable mipmaps on pixel-art style avatars and small textures that use single-color pixels for solid coloring

[hoary crane]

Oh wait, the Excellent rating in Mobile limits is 10 MB

I could probably go to 4k if really neccesary, but I doubt it

[arctic ginkgo]

mhm, and know that being excellent on mobile is usually going above and beyond

[grand scaffold]

4k will take you up to 21.3mb per texture nvm I was looking at a normal map which uses a greater bit depth and as such higher file size

[arctic ginkgo]

most people are far beyond very poor and never try to optimize at all

so you're doing really well if you can get to even medium rank on quest

[hoary crane]

That's weird, I figured that would be a selling point. I've never made a model worse than Good on Mobile

[arctic ginkgo]

most people don't care about quest 🤷

[grand scaffold]

4k is actually 10.7mb with mipmaps

[hoary crane]

Seems rude

Don't a lot of people use Quest?

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah, there's a false idea that most Quest players are kids, but even then, many PC players that make avatars don't even care about other PC players

[hoary crane]

My current client is a Quest player

[arctic ginkgo]

how many times I've heard "just get a better PC" as an excuse for a horribly unoptimized avatar is sad

[night ember]

I personally dont bother to build for quest cause I never run into quest users to begin with

[somber sequoia]

same

[night ember]

Im usually with other pc players or in pc only worlds like the pug

[hoary crane]

I guess I just really enjoy topology, and it makes my clients happy

[arctic ginkgo]

i play on quest so i try to keep most of my avatars medium or better, but if I do need to go above that I make sure it's still optimized lol

[night ember]

my avatar is I believe medium quality on quest
I just dont bother taking the stuff Ive made and converting it to be quest compatible

[arctic ginkgo]

the performance ranking system is worst-case scenario and is far from perfect, so many avatars are not ranked in accordance to their actual performance

like particles.. i love particles, but they automatically bump you down to poor on quest

[hoary crane]

I've never actually used particles. They seem possibly annoying, unless that includes sim fur

[arctic ginkgo]

you just really need to be careful with transparency, max particle count, and max polycount if using mesh particles

[somber sequoia]

They can be useful for fun effects and props

[arctic ginkgo]

does not include sim fur, no

fur effects are usually done with shaders, so not really a thing you can do on quest

[night ember]

you can shader to emulate particles but they arent exactly particles

[arctic ginkgo]

you can get a furry effect on quest with toon standard and some good normal and AO maps though, but it won't affect silhouette or be affected by movement

[hoary crane]

Actual triangle count really isn't much of a limitation these days, like, the NDS can handle 1024 total, I doubt the quest is THAT shitty

[night ember]

its less about the singular avatar and more about the fact that 80 of them can exist at a time in an instance

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah that's not really the biggest concern on quest, i'd say the two things that have the biggest impact are transparency and draw calls

and yes, what diven said, the limits are based on have 10s of clones of the avatar in the same instance

again, worst-case scenario

[night ember]

balancing quality and performance for game development isnt black or white

could the quest run some things? yes
will it run well? no

[arctic ginkgo]

avatar performance ranking also takes into account the performance impact expected of the world iirc

wouldn't really make sense not to leave room for the whole environment you're in lol

[arctic ginkgo]

oh and what I usualyl use particles for is projectiles, like bullets, arrows, etc

[hoary crane]

That's pretty impressive

Does the fact it flies off hurt performance though?

[arctic ginkgo]

no, that's kinda what particles are designed for lol

[night ember]

yes because its calculations that the headset needs to do

[arctic ginkgo]

well

i mean yeah it does

[night ember]

not much but it still does

it will add up very quickly

[arctic ginkgo]

they usually have a short lifetime though so there's not as many particles as something more dense

[night ember]

it also has to take the max particle count into consideration specifically

[arctic ginkgo]

mhm

[proven quail]

I would ask your client if they want their avatar to be a good rank/medium or whatever. Among the people I play with on quest, many users want quality over quantity. That means very poor avatars on quest to get the most out of the avatar. Very poor on PC can be really unreasonable because there are very few upper limits and when there are limits they are insane. A very poor avatar on PC can be anything from reasonable to the worst thing to run ever. Quest, however, already has strict upload limits to begin with. If you have optimized enough to even be on quest, your avatar is already in the reasonable category.

Also the game on quest side is actually unplayable without a customized max+ shield, where everything but voice and maybe icons/stickers/emoji is off for every trust rank (except friends). So having your avatar be good or medium won't mean most quest users automatically load it. You are a grey robot until they turn the avatar on regardless. Playing quest is basically VRAM manager simulator, where you aren't told how much you have or how much is currently being used up. You just turn on Avis as you talk to people and turn them off when they go somewhere else.

[vapid slate]

yo... can you upload avatars if ur account is banned?

[grand scaffold]

Nope, can't sign into the sdk if you're banned

[vapid slate]

ffs

[arctic ginkgo]

If you got a temporary suspension you can just wait it out

[vapid slate]

my ex reported me and threatened to swat me so i got banned for no reason

[night ember]

they dont ban you just because you got reported

[arctic ginkgo]

I do understand stalking and harassment are serious, but I don't really believe VRChat would ban you for "no reason". If you sincerely believe this you can appeal the ban here: https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[vapid slate]

i just sent an appeal, thanks :3

[arctic ginkgo]

of course! if the moderation team did make a mistake, I hope it can get corrected

[vapid slate]

will i get a notification/email when they have responded?

[arctic ginkgo]

I believe you should get an email, yes

[vapid slate]

okay tysm

[near ice]

hello, does anyone know how to fix the jagged edges here? its caused by matcap and reflections and is noticeable ingame

[earnest viper]

@near ice check normals increase mesh res tweak matcap reflection enable AA

[plush hull]

i got a problem here lol

i found a way to put the snowflakes on the body without changing its color so everythings good right

like this

but as soon as i click on vrchat sdk

it goes pink like if it did not save the material i just putted on

can someone explain ?

[somber sequoia]

pink = broken shader or material. Go look at it in the inspector

[near ice]

AA is enabled and ive tweaked matcap and reflections but still nothing, idk how to check for normals and increase mesh res

[mighty basin]

okay so im trying to make it so i can grab a rock off of my model by using constraints. and im running into an issue where i can grab the rock and it goes to my hand, but if i try to put it back, it does not go back

i can take screenshots of how i set it up just lemme know what would be needed

[quartz bone]

Are particle shadows disabled in VRChat?

I enabled shadows on a particle system and it works in-editor, but not in-game.

[quartz bone]

Oddly enough, I can see the shadows being cast on the camera and in mirrors

but not in my own view

Are shadows not viewable locally or something?

[sleek bane]

How do I find the material that is preventing me from uploading to quest? Says its using UI/Unit/Transparent, but ive look at everything being used and nothing has it.

[heady dirge]

my avatar got stuck in this position after i tried to make a animation and forgot to duplicate it, is there a way to fix it?

[still shuttle]

pumkins avatar tools has a reset pose option

[heady dirge]

how do i get that?

[still shuttle]

if you just look it up on google you should be able to find the repository for the VCC

[heady dirge]

thks for the help

it helped a lot

[iron widget]

Has anyone successfully built and published an avatar on Linux? I've been trying to get mine to upload for literaly 2 days and it is just not uploading at all.

I'm using cachyOS with the appimage version of unity hub and I always get these same errors when I try to build and publish. At this point I have no idea what's going on and can't fix it.

[somber sequoia]

show us what you have so far.

[somber sequoia]

I do this on linux all the time without issue.

I get UnityHub from their package manager for Fedora, no idea about the AppImage. Can't say I've seen that error before.

[iron widget]

I tried the package manager for arch and got the same issue. I still don't know what's happening.

[somber sequoia]

well unity hub shouldn't be a factor here. You are using the right Unity version, yeah?

[iron widget]

yeah, 2022.3.22f1

[somber sequoia]

Just opened it here on my Linux laptop 🙂

[iron widget]

Ok, but can you build and publish?

[somber sequoia]

yep

[iron widget]

Then what's goin on on my end?

[iron widget]

What package manager do you use?

[somber sequoia]

for what, my distro? I use Fedora, so of course dnf.

[iron widget]

for vrc

[somber sequoia]

alcom and/or vrc-get, whichever I feel like

I used to use vpm but it's buggy crap so I've given up on it

[sage garnet]

idk if i can ask this here but i will anyways is anyone able to help me turn my avatar into a vtuber avatar im using google trynna figure on my own and i cant figure it out

[somber sequoia]

you should use Unity 2022.3.22f1 for VRChat.

[sage garnet]

uh i said vtuber not vrchat

[somber sequoia]

this is a VRChat server

[sage garnet]

i know

[somber sequoia]

okay.

[sage garnet]

im trynna turn my vrchat avatar into a vtuber avatar

[tidal cave]

avatar stuck in preview pose after working on some animations

how do i turn it back

all the clothes are mesed up

[somber sequoia]

pumkin's tools has a reset feature

[tidal cave]

will look into it

thanks man ur goated

it owrks

works

[somber sequoia]

Thank Pumkin for makin' it 🙂

[tidal cave]

fr

[slate orchid]

Was trying to figure out the skinned mesh renderer, the emotes do work. But I got a giant purple shadow/model appearing out of nowhere. Should I be worried or ignore it?

[iron widget]

Ight, I gave up and have concluded that building and publishing does not function at all on Arch Linux, CachyOS, or any distro built on arch. I ended up transferring the project to a MacBook to build and publish.

[somber sequoia]

if you mean that bright pink color, that indicates a broken shader or material

[somber sequoia]

I've never used arch, but I do wonder what the issue is. Surely some sort of library incompatibility

[slate orchid]

Huh...well, I deleted the modifiers in Blender in order to do shape keys.

That must be why I think.

[somber sequoia]

FYI this works much of the time: https://github.com/przemir/ApplyModifierForObjectWithShapeKeys

[iron widget]

Ok, now I’m curious. I have a challenge for the creators here. The first person to successfully build and publish anything on arch Linux or CachyOS preferably, and show proof, will receive the Arch BTW avatar I just made before it goes public.

[somber sequoia]

I feel like I'm too lazy for that 🙂

[sudden prairie]

can someone help me with uploading an avatar i dont really have a clue what im doing and ive already watched videos on it

[mighty stream]

Does anyone know if the 'MuteSelf' avatar parameter should work with Push To Talk? I have it working great with toggle, but once switched to PTT it no longer works.

[somber sequoia]

feel free to ask specific questions, it's not clear what you need help with yet

[sudden prairie]

do you mind if i dm you?

[somber sequoia]

yes

as in, yes I mind - if you ask in here anyone present can help

[sudden prairie]

specifically the usasaki_PB

[somber sequoia]

if that right pic is from your unity window, can you retake that but don't crop so much so we can see much more of the window?

sure, but the window to the right of this, that isn't shown, is where the files will be

try to show the entire window for stuff like this

much better

that one that looks like the unity symbol is a scene, you could try opening that.
otherwise you might try to contact the creator about their docs being wrong. unless someone else also has this avatar and knows something

or maybe it's in "Prefab"? the instructions you linked doesn't say what kind of file this is

[sudden prairie]

ill go see if im missing thing thank you so much tho i really appreciate it

[zinc willow]

How do you make a hue shift with toon standard?

or using vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

does that shader have a hue slider?

[zinc willow]

Yes

[somber sequoia]

oh then just record an animation where you set it to 0 at frame 0, and 1 at say, 100. Then you use a float driven by a radial menu item as the position value in the animation, I forget what it's actually called.

I'm sure there are tutorials for this

[zinc willow]

It doesn't work for toon standard

[polar wagon]

this pops up everytime i try and upload a avatar

[somber sequoia]

if its got a hue slider, I'm not sure why it wouldn't. Remember you can't hue shift white though

[somber sequoia]

is that the only error?

[polar wagon]

no theres shader errors, and a blueprint error

theres nothing there, so i dont know how the pipline can be a issue

[foggy tiger]

My toggle for closing my avatar's eyes works in play mode but not in actual vrchat

The one from closed to open is set to false instead of true

But my eyes stay open in game no matter what state that's on

The toggle in the menu handles the right parameter (obviously bc it's working in play mode )

[somber sequoia]

Can you show the first 2-3 without cropping so much that you cut words off? show the whole console window

[somber sequoia]

first, as in scroll to the top of the console

[foggy tiger]

Changing lock gestures to be off in game changes nothing.

[polar wagon]

that's it

[near ice]

so i bought an outfit that fits the base im using but when i put it on, some parts of the body clip through, i sculpted it in blender and it looked perfect, but when i moved it to unity, it was still clipping, any tips?

[near ice]

anybody know how to fix this?

[ornate stump]

What "this" specifically?

[near ice]

sorry, shouldve specified but seems like the right shoulder isnt attached to the collar while the left one is

[ornate stump]

Is this after posing the relevant bone or all bone in rest pose?

[near ice]

rest pose is normal

only looks weird whenever the arm is down or up

[ornate stump]

That means the seams doesn't have equal weight paint.

[near ice]

where would that be? shoulder bones?

[near ice]

oh wait i got it

wtv i just did made it a lot better

brb

[night ember]

#1138520828556890214

[median zodiac]

Hey all!

I've seen avatars before that, when a certain item is toggled, the avatar's hand will go into an animation that poses the fingers and holds the item in question correctly, however, I'm wondering how to do that myself? Must be some weird trickery since i've been trying a buncha stuff!

[ornate stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGc8CetyXs

[median zodiac]

thanks a lot! funnily enough, I had it 98% right when i was applying what i knew, I merely clicked the wrong button for the tracking control pfft.

[stoic bobcat]

how big can an audio source be until vrchat just mutes it, I have a giant object in the sky I want to play audio but no matter what I do, it never plays, sometimes ill hear it for a moment and then it stops

[ornate stump]

https://creators.vrchat.com/worlds/components/vrc_spatialaudiosource/#spatial-audio-on-avatars

[near ice]

question, if i were to put all the clothing stuff under one parent, would it break things?

[ornate stump]

No.

[near ice]

mkay thank you

[stoic bobcat]

ill play with it more than, I added that and it still does it :/

might just need to make the area very big cause the object is just large and high in the sky

[ornate stump]

How much you sure that your audio source stay active until the end of audio?

[stoic bobcat]

it shouldnt stop, I have the audio settings on default and it loops too

its an audio thats just always active

[ornate stump]

It isn't a part of any toggle at all?

[stoic bobcat]

Yes, it plays in unity and I can hear it just fine, VRChat is the issue

[ornate stump]

Then you have to add the spatial audio source component and set the values from there.

[stoic bobcat]

I guess I’ll just have to mess with the values more until it works

Hopefully I can get it to work 😭 cause I wanted it to be a looming spaceship that people will hear it humming, go outside and just see it chilling there

[ornate stump]

It usually have increase near range a little bit so the volume doesn't start to falloff too early.

[proven quail]

If you already have toggles, you will have to change the pathing in all the toggle animations. If you don't have toggles, then your good

[near ice]

how do i make my avatar a humanoid rig

[ornate stump]

https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?t=68

[gilded vector]

ive run into this insanity inducing loop i need help on, im trying to add blendshapes to an fbx but when i update the fbx the prefabs break and remove everything (mainly physbones) and the components to merge the armature together

ive reverted the step and tried with multiple different export settings, and even tried a different version of blender. Ive even tried making the change a new fbx and duplicating everything onto it but for some reason it just makes it invisible but at least the changes stay (the way ive been reverting all the errors was deleting and re adding the fbx and prefabs by reimporting them) i just wanna hide a skirt layer on my stuff bit it wont let me with breaking everything and idk whats going wrong

Im gonna need to rest after reverting everything but if you have any tips or wanna help preferably dm me about them, and very importantly
__specify its for helping me with this, i might ignore any vague texts on accident __and i dont wanna ignore someone unintentionally that just wants to help
-# i mainly use blender 4.3.3 but switched to 5.0 every since trying different export methods

[ornate stump]

If you had avatar in the scene unpacked, when updating its fbx file, it likely is going to break the model already in the scene.

[gilded vector]

nothing was unpacked at all

[ornate stump]

If it's original prefab then it still doesn't have direct data link to it's fbx file.

[gilded vector]

anytime i changed the fbx it changed the prefab in my scene too so i really dont think thats causing it

[ornate stump]

Only thing that can update is the mesh data. Other than that, updating any object, adding, removing bone, will cause the model to break.

[gilded vector]

the only different thing ive beeen doing is adding 2 blendshapes ;m; ill try to look up some more things in the morning but ive got everything back to normal now so im going to rest

[ornate stump]

Then it likely means you exported the fbx file with extra leaf bones added in the export settings.

[gilded vector]

this is how ive been exporting my files everytime

ive done it this and i mean exact way before and it was fine so idk whats wrong now, and the item unfortunately dosent give a blender file for me to export from if thats another reason

[ornate stump]

Something definitely doesn't match between old fbx and new fbx, maybe because of blender version. The sure fire solution is to keep fbx prefab intact in the scene. This way it can update itself correctly with its fbx file.

[gilded vector]

done that, ill try looking it up to see what blender version they used but besides that thats all i can think of doing rn

[ornate stump]

Or better yet, startover with new fbx file and migrate all the component from old avatar into the new one.

[gilded vector]

?

i dont understand, its a clothing item?

[ornate stump]

Then just put the new cloth fbx to your avatar.

[gilded vector]

im sorry im way to tired to understand this rn i need to go sleep im sorry

[ornate stump]

Then go to bed first.

[slate orchid]

Okay, good news, it's not big anymore, but the bad news, it's still there. I even had the "Apply Modifier For Object With Shape Keys".

I feel I'm missing something or doing something wrong. I wish I can click that shadow and delete it.

[ornate stump]

Is it the same object as the main avatar body?

[slate orchid]

I think so? I'm gonna show more screenshots for a better picture.

The modifiers on the second picture are already deleted, I have no idea if the add-on worked or not. It did give me a different result.

Didn't work when I exported with the modifiers earlier.

[ornate stump]

What does Mask modifier do?

[ornate stump]

Also remove skinned mesh renderer from here.

[balmy barn]

scaling wacked

[slate orchid]

Not sure, this is a model I didn't make. This was made for me by someone else.

And I removed the one you mentioned.

[ornate stump]

How is it now?

[slate orchid]

The pink shadow is gone. But I don't think my character can change expression

[ornate stump]

Did you do custom fx layer for expression?

[slate orchid]

And I found something strange

Custom fx layer?

[ornate stump]

You need something to connect the model to avatar controller, and that's a job for avatar playable layers, and one of it is FX layer.

[slate orchid]

Ah okay

I have to go soon, I'll check that out later. Thanks for the help.

[vague ember]

How can i sync my avatars materials?

onto quest

[ornate stump]

Make material swap the same way as PC but with quest compatible shader.

[slate orchid]

Okay, update, the expressions work good. But when I upload, my character's on the floor and the cameras far away. But before, it was saying I had issues with the bones saying it's not placed right on the head. I deleted some bones like the search said.

I had to replace the bones from the original model with a humanoid rig on blender before and it still acts like this.

[ornate stump]

Have you tested in blender in pose mode?

[balmy barn]

facepalm into floor usually orientation wrong , dont rotate mesh in unity wont work

[slate orchid]

Yeah, I put weight painting and everything

I now discovered what happened, I deleted the modifications and the skeleton disappeared. And I used the addon, it just deletes the rig.

Gonna try to figure this out. I think i'm close to the answer.

[vague ember]

yeah everythings quest compatible

i dont know if it has something to do with the write defaults

[ornate stump]

What actual problem you're having then?

[slate orchid]

Okay, I’m not close. I tried using a different version of blender to work. Not good. The addon still deletes my armature instead of applying. I know this because when I try to move my character on blender after using the addon, they can’t move their body.

[ornate stump]

Which addon you talked about?

[slate orchid]

This one that was suggested.

[fierce thunder]

why do my feet point inwards?

[vague ember]

when im on my pc

[ornate stump]

Do the both version of the avatar has the exactly the same parameter list?

[somber sequoia]

don't apply the armature modifier, if that's what you're doing?

Also it definitely doesn't work in all cases.

[fierce thunder]

fixed it

Armature keeps spinning around root bone in pose mode in blender

i tried applying transform and all recalculating

[somber sequoia]

what action are you doing in this image?

[slate orchid]

Okay, good news guys, this whole time, I shouldn't bother with the armature. My avatar is working very good with expressions. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it!

[fierce thunder]

just rotating the root bone while in pose mode

if i rotate the bones 1 by 1 nothing happends

[somber sequoia]

rotating the root bone should rotate all its children with it though

[fierce thunder]

nevermind it fixed itself?

lmao

[somber sequoia]

heh, okay

[void kettle]

How do I fix this? ;-;

I made a whole new Unity and it still did it

[vague ember]

Yes

[still shuttle]

Have you tried using vrcquesttools network ID assinger?

[somber sequoia]

if that's the only error, it's not useful, sorry

[void kettle]

Figured. It’s just that avatar 😭🙏

[somber sequoia]

annoying.

[fierce thunder]

mobile shaders show up purple, how to fix?

@somber sequoia able to help out?

[somber sequoia]

Please don't just ping me for random questions, I don't work here.

[balmy barn]

try newer quest shader wich can disable vertex color

[chrome fog]

How I fix this

[balmy barn]

redo lipsynch , its missing a mesh

[gloomy breach]

Why is my shoulder armor positioned differently in-game???

The shoulder armor doesn't have any armature whatsoever. it's just a plain 3D model.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384419223039901726/1449140942534742016/image.png?ex=693dd12c&is=693c7fac&hm=309e63b266b55d682cdf66fd1da395f59f6ee0eb9274444b9efb804ac46fe370&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384419223039901726/1449140942883000420/image.png?ex=693dd12c&is=693c7fac&hm=2807eacd2e41d7a368b273a4837cb930d7ce41e1ee2d9eff2f1148f9a8c970f5&

dammit

images didnt l.oad

[stoic bobcat]

assuming this audio source is too big and vrchat mutes it, what would be the max i can do? I want it to still be heard without resorting to 2d audio, which id never do but i still want it to make noise :/

[royal cypress]

^in regards to the recent announcement

[leaden orbit]

Hey can someone help me out? My avatar I uploaded fingers won't move. The expressions work just fine it's just the physical hands and fingers themselves won't bend at all! Is there something missing in unity I need?

[stoic bobcat]

did you make sure to set them up in the rig menu

should be green like that if they are

[leaden orbit]

I remember setting them up in the rig menu, yes. But I could double check.

[stoic bobcat]

only reason they wouldnt move, if its correctly set up but dont move in vr idk what happened

might have to do with what ever expressions you added, maybe you accidently removed the components to make your fingers move idk

[light light]

Im having issue with a model as im trying to import to vrm. When I try loading up the model to use for a stream the clothes are not attached to the rig. When I check the vrcfury armature it says the model is not humanoid but when ive gone into the fbx it says it is humanoid.

[half ice]

hiiiii anyone have idea of this I keep getting this problem when I try to upload an avatar. I've also tried deatch the blueprint it's empty.

@dusky wharf if you wanna say anything say it here

[onyx narwhal]

not rlly an avatar but like

how do i get rid of these ugly ass cyan lines

it keeps messing up my model

[crimson lynx]

Is it possible to make smooth blendshape viseme lipsync in the FX layer similar to how VRC does their lipsync on the descriptor?

[young bear]

okay, this is a really strange question, but hear me out on this one. is it possible to make an avatar's knees bend backwards ON PURPOSE?

i have a robot design that involves the legs bending backwards and i want to replicate that on my avatar

[night ember]

thats because its marked as sharp

https://youtu.be/zCP09Y0XuhY?si=HX-Ki7vH1rTvWkIg

[quasi patrol]

I am trying to upload an avatar of mine with new cloths
I have detached the pipeline ID, I have logged out and back into the SDK, I have restarted my project
I even removed the Pipeline Manager component and let it auto add back.... im not understanding how it generates a NEW BP ID for this avi then say I dont own it?

[indigo compass]

Are you using an up to date SDK?
They just recently blocked new avatars IDs from being created by older SDKs than 3.9.0

[quasi patrol]

im on 3.8.2
thats wild cause it worked lastnight but okies I will update the sdk

[indigo compass]

#announcements message

Well they did just do it today

We have known about this happening for weeks

[onyx narwhal]

thanks

[stoic bobcat]

still trying to get this to work, the audio source might just be too big but I still want to try to make it so you can hear it making noise, what would be the max an audio source can be before its muted by vrchat by default

[somber sequoia]

There is likely another error above this one - this is usually a side-effect.

[dark jay]

why are my feet not straight but angled and how do i fix it

[somber sequoia]

what do they look like on the model itself, like in Blender?

[dark jay]

this is the legs in blender for it

[somber sequoia]

probably helps to show the leg bones too, but that looks sane.

[dark jay]

there

[still ore]

does anyone know what this means?

console log says the same thing

[somber sequoia]

upgrade your SDK to 3.10+

it would be nice if that error actually said this clearly

[crimson lynx]

first time fw blendtrees ._.;;

how can i make the visemes blend smoothly instead of instantaneously switching between eachother when talking
(like how vrc does their default viseme blend shape on the descriptor)

[somber sequoia]

blend trees don't blend over time, unfortunately

[crimson lynx]

ah
is there any way to do what im tryin to do? :,D

[still ore]

thank you!!

[surreal salmon]

whats this mean

i tried to upl;oad a new avatar but i get this error

[round comet]

Switch to SDK 3.9 or higher

[surreal salmon]

ok

[round comet]

Older SDKs no longer work as there’s a new system for generating avatar IDs

[night ember]

when you are too high up your feet go on their toes

[azure moat]

hi guys!! is there a way to fix the hand poses being stuck when they lose tracking with selfie expression? i'm not sure if there's something i can do unity-side or if there's a setting in-game for that

[pine valley]

thanks! two friends were having this issue and that neatly answers it

[round comet]

[slender robin]

how long does it take to load a model’s files to assetstudio? because it feels like i’ve sitting here for two hours

[fringe hemlock]

i have no idea on how to upload avis and yet i bought 2 of them...

[somber sequoia]

luckily there are lots of tutorial videos

[covert token]

Thank fuck this was right here. I've been fighting this error all night and google was useless

[crystal ruin]

Fucked my whole project up

[somber sequoia]

I really don't understand why that error message doesn't say that clearly.

[rocky fractal]

anybody know what to do

helping a friend

[somber sequoia]

literally right above your message

(switch to SDK 3.10+)

[rocky fractal]

yeah but does it mean , i still not understanding

[somber sequoia]

(don't use 3.9, it's buggy)

[rocky fractal]

ok ill try that

[rocky fractal]

hey thanks man

it works

[grim heron]

Why does it keep saying that?? I checked both blueprints, 2 of them are empty & it still get this message

[somber sequoia]

You too - same error as was just discussed right above

[teal mulch]

I'm trying to move this Hairpin to another part of the hair but I couldn't find out how
I've tried unpacking everything but the only thing I could move is the entire hair itself
I'm not sure what to do because all the guides I saw are about adding existing accessories/outfits without anything mentioning about modifying the accessories/outfits themselves
If it's not as simple as just moving the hairpin around, please let me know what I would need to do to achieve it

[fierce spindle]

The pin is a skinned mesh renderer, so it's probably weighted to a bone.
The Armature under your hair might have a bone specifically for the pin, but it's more likely that the pin is weighted directly to the hair bone its attached to
So to move it around you would probably need to throw it into blender and move it/reweight it

Or you could duplicate the whole hair object, delete the non-pin meshes, and try to move around the armature bones until you find the one the pin is connected to, then delete the other bones.

Then you could reparent that new object to wherever you want it in the original one

[dark jay]

Ah

[fierce spindle]

Does anyone happen to have a solution/workaround for this bug?
https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/particle-system-shapes-property-the-texture-is-being-removed-on-upload
Basically causes shape textures on particle systems to not work(picture of shape texture included)
Everything looks fine in unity, but in VRC all the particles are white

[chilly solar]

how do i fix this? i copied another avi folder to make this one and removed the id and now its bitching at me

oh i see everyone already asked lmfao got it

[humble spindle]

Hi! how do I upgrade my sdk? i've never done it before so im not sure where to go

[somber sequoia]

vcc or alcom

[half ice]

this window

im doing it rn ..

[near ice]

having this issue with boots, ive tried VRCFURY armature link, MA armature link, and even manual armature link and still getting this issue

[humble spindle]

oh. it is upgraded, but it's still giving me the blueprint id issue

is there something im missing? i don't know what any of this means. its doing this for all of my projects, old and new

[half ice]

amigo INSTALLED VERSION is 3.7.6

[humble spindle]

oof, my bad

its midnight, i probably need sleep after pulling all nighters

[eager ore]

so with creator companion it tells me to use unity 2022.3.22f1 but on unity it says theres a security alert on it, can i not use a updated unity version or will it not work?

[half ice]

huh now what

[somber sequoia]

this alert does not apply to us, you can ignore it

[eager ore]

alright thank you 👍

[stoic bobcat]

ive been doing everything I can think of, not sure what to do cause it still just doesnt play the audio or just plays it for a milisecond and shuts it off 😭

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot how you set the audio component?

[stoic bobcat]

what im trying to do is make it so you can hear it from above, i think i did find the audio limit it cuts off at though :/

[ornate stump]

And the spatial audio component?

[ornate stump]

You shouldn't make it use volume curve. Gain and far definitely beyond the limit.

[stoic bobcat]

ok, ill try turning off the curve part, ive tried that before and it wouldnt play either. spatial helps go beyond limits? i almost never use it tbh

[ornate stump]

Nothing helps go beyond the limits.

[stoic bobcat]

damn

yeah, even if I use log it cant even be heard :/

is there a doc that shows the limits of audio sources?

[ornate stump]

I sent you yesterday.

[stoic bobcat]

let me double check it then and ill find it

[spiral jay]

Okay so I have a question. I’m actually coming back to VR chat after being gone for a while and when I used to do my avatar, I used to edit them through blender by importing them from the app data from 2.93 and now I can’t do that anymore. Is there another way for me to import my booth model? I can’t find any like proper tutorials on it without breaking everything on the model.

[ornate stump]

Do you mean you can't import avatar model into blender 2.93?

[somber sequoia]

just export as fbx, set "apply scalings" to "fbx all"

not sure why you'd need 2.93

[spiral jay]

Yea, the only way I learned how was through the app data thing. It been like 8 months since I did it tho

[stoic bobcat]

ill play around with it and see what I can figure out, probably wont be able to make it so people can hear it :/ its meant to be in the sky decently high up and not even using log would help :/

[ornate stump]

What "app data" thing?

[spiral jay]

I just hopped back in and realized unity isolates its projects now so I can’t do it anymore

[spiral jay]

OK, so before I used to go to blender and in order to pull the booth model from unity I would go to blender. I would go to file. I would go to import FBX and then I will go through my local desk users. I would get to app data then I would be the the VRC create a companion thing and I would be able to pull it through that

But I can’t now so ima trying to figure out another way to pull the booth models from unity into blender. I tried a few tuts from YouTube but I broke them

[ornate stump]

You rather mean locating where your project is located then.

[spiral jay]

That’s what I thought but I can’t get to it. I copied the pattern and pasted it but still couldn’t get to it

[ornate stump]

If you are in unity, you could just right click on any asset file and "Show in Explorer" to open the folder containing your project.

[spiral jay]

I tried that, it won’t show see

[somber sequoia]

"local desk users"?

[ornate stump]

What does it do?

[spiral jay]

Hold on let me set up another project, I botched this one from the tutorial

[spiral jay]

I was using s-t

[somber sequoia]

what?

[spiral jay]

Speech to text

[somber sequoia]

okay?

[ornate stump]

Just to note, project location can changed by you and it will also show in project list in VCC.

[spiral jay]

What? Howwww

[ornate stump]

Nothing major had been changed for a few year.

[spiral jay]

I’m so confused then why is it doing this to me?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I even know whats going on here

[ornate stump]

Doing what? Changing default project location by itself?

[spiral jay]

Hold imma take a picture

Oh shoot

So like

Funny story

All of the sudden it work

I’m so sorry for wasting your time

[ornate stump]

I'm not even know what problem you got, but good for you.

[verbal latch]

what id?

[somber sequoia]

upgrade your SDK

[verbal latch]

ok

how do i do that

nvm

[wraith hamlet]

how do i get this to work i upgraded the sdk now everytime i try and upload i get this error

[somber sequoia]

check the log for details?

[wraith hamlet]

yea i did i have no idea what any of this is

[somber sequoia]

feel free to paste errors, usually the first 2-3 are the relevant ones

[somber sequoia]

poiyomi pro?

[wraith hamlet]

i dont have that

[somber sequoia]

probably the version of poiyomi you have is outdated then, try upgrading that

[teal mulch]

I tried to import my own avatar into blender and I got this (using Blender 5.0.0 and the lastest CATS extension 4 hours ago)
I used it to import the base model without any modification (Eku) and it worked perfectly fine
On the avatar I just tried to import I deleted many accessories and their armature, is it linked to this?
The 2nd image is after I deleted all other accessories and left only the base model after I got rid of every accessory (but not all of their armature)
Edit: I tested by using a new base model without doing anything to it, using Export to FBX and when I imported it got broken like this
Edit 2: I'm pretty sure the Export to FBX package is faulty for exporting avatars, if someone knows what I should do to export avatars from unity into blender please tell me

[safe holly]

Is there any way to make Unity "faster" ie; importing files, compiling shaders, etc; What can or could I do to improve that and make it a smoother experience?

My PC isn't what I'd call low end I know I'm very lucky to have what I do but it feels almost uncanny waiting 1-2 minutes sometimes just randomly clicking on an outfit for scripts to compile out of nowhere?

[ornate stump]

Remove all the unnecessary packages.

[night ember]

Get it off of a hard disk drive
Have the project be smaller

[unique acorn]

I have a problem I have yet to see here.

When avatars move and look the body is supposed to realign into position. But when uploading recent avatars the hip bone seems to want to deviat left or right depending on which way it moves. And before it is asked, there is no full body involved. Only half body and desktop.

[safe holly]

Project folder is on a Gen5 NVME, C drive with unity's core and editor is on a Gen4.
I guess it's just all the extra outfits and files and add-ons in general then? I wouldn't call anything I loaded "unnecessary".

[ornate stump]

What add-ons specifically? If it isn't anything commonly used then it might cause extra compilation time.

[safe holly]

90% of what I have is extra outfits so I can piece together items for full outfits. Poiyomi Pro, IKEHUD, Marshmellow v2 for better asset physic controls, I use NDMF,MA,Vixen for toggles primarily, vrcfury for basic optimization, Buddyworks avatar scene, pose and face expressions..... Uhhh thats kinda it.
I know it isn't as basic as just loading avatar slapping outfit with default liltoon and clicking upload but still 1-2m script compiles? I dunno even how to check to see what causes it or what scripts are taking so long to process to narrow it down any.

[ornate stump]

That's quiet a lot actually. Had it always been taking time, or it took more time recently?

[safe holly]

It's definitely gotten worse I'd say when it happens.
For context I pre-loaded my project with all the addons and shaders and tools I wanted / needed and then started loading my avi base and outfits.
Outfits always take a bit to load and import wish it was faster or could be faster. And depending how it looks I'd either keep it and organize it in a folder, Or delete it.
Outfits I liked I'd cut up into individual elements like tops/pants and keep in the hierarchy for easy access later.
After upgrading SDK from .8 to .10 it's felt like compiles are more frequent and take even longer... Worse case was yesterday waiting almost 2 minutes. But it averages about 50-70 seconds. Notably it's also only when I click on a piece of clothing in the scene view Not on the hierarchy.

[karmic laurel]

keep getting this for 2 avi's used in past and cloned there base's for a update ver but it won't upload

[indigo compass]

You need to update your SDK

[ornate stump]

If you're uploading as new avatar, you must update your sdk.

[karmic laurel]

like the vrc sdk ?

[indigo compass]

yes

[ornate stump]

It's the only sdk.

[karmic laurel]

like through the creator companion ?

[ornate stump]

That's the way.

[karmic laurel]

thank you

i hope it work's

[unique acorn]

Am I in the wrong area for this?

[ornate stump]

You're in the right place. It's just no one know the answer.

[unique acorn]

Nobody has seen this before? Like, at all?

[ornate stump]

It'd be better if you also screenshot the problem.

Also it's only 30 minutes had been passed and it isn't an active time in this server.

[unique acorn]

What would be a better time. As I don't stalk the server for it. And I know I have yet to find an answer after a year or so too.

[ornate stump]

Night time in USA.

[unique acorn]

I assume not right now night time then. Thank you.

[pure thicket]

have u checked you havent accidently got the hip bone affected by a physbone component

but yeah itd be better to actually see an example video

[valid marsh]

first time using 2022, what do i do about this

[valid marsh]

seems only buttons are affected

[unique acorn]

I can check for that. And see about a video.

[half ice]

how to fix this shit

[inland seal]

I'm having a problem where I made an asset for an avatar and it works just fine untill I turn it the sound on, The sound basically doesn't play and I can't hear it in Unity.

[void mango]

So, I have this model rigged and all

How would I actually turn this into an avatar?

Because I'm used to more humanoid characters rather than one with multiple limbs

[crisp trail]

anyone know how to have transparent parts of a mesh using poiomi

im wanting some help making the eyes

[ornate stump]

Change render preset to anything but Opaque.

[gaunt knoll]

Hi @void mango you would use IK sub Tracking for the legs. have a look there are penty of vids out there for it

[gaunt knoll]

ive never seen that before

[ornate stump]

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[strong mason]

tried to update my SDK in VCC and it auto-uninstalled and now i get an error every time i try to add it back

[crisp trail]

well now the saturation is all messed up

[gaunt knoll]

do you mind if i try something?

[ornate stump]

Try other render preset as well.

[strong mason]

go ahead~

[gaunt knoll]

windows + r
%LocalAppData%\VRChatCreatorCompanion\

[strong mason]

it did flash that... ok, im listening

[gaunt knoll]

the settings.json can you move it to a another file for a sec like your desktop

[strong mason]

ok, done

[gaunt knoll]

now try it