avatar-help

[junior void]

Ye, some screenshots might help clear the air

[proven walrus]

Yo, got a question, I wanted to setup a resize function for a tent on my avi, I tried using VRCFury with no luck, .. can someone help me out?

[little plume]

I need help remaking this shading

[dull sable]

so now i have a new problem. in my animation i have the plane to be scaled but in playmode it doesnt do the scale part

[night ember]

Whats the toggle look like

And the animation

[night ember]

Matcap

[proven walrus]

It's all VRCFury stuff.

I'll send a pic one sec.

[night ember]

I didnt ask you

[proven walrus]

Mb

[safe jetty]

hi so i bought this bird model from booth i tried to upload it . Its been saying im missing scripts

[proven walrus]

Means, whatever was in the project before it was exported when it was uploaded to booth u don’t got, if it isn’t essential, like for a object, it’s safe to delete those missing script warnings from your objects by clicking the 3 dots and hitting delete.

[night ember]

not much can be said other than look at where you bought it to see dependencies

also why are you in prefab view

[safe jetty]

ive been looking at the doc that came with it and its showing the missing scripts

[safe jetty]

just looking idk

[left gull]

those look like basic SDK scripts, is the model or your SDK version outdated?

[safe jetty]

im using unity 2022.3.33f1 it said on the doc to use it?

[night ember]

thats wrong

[safe jetty]

damn

[night ember]

its 2022.3.22 not 3.33

[safe jetty]

my b lemme try it

[little plume]

what abt the skin lighting?

ik it can be done in poi somehow

[night ember]

just looks like cel shading

multilayer math or texture ramp in poiyomi

[untold quail]

okay im probs really stupid, but when i go to edit the proxy hand layers animations it has completely different hand gestures when in preveiw mode. but when i set the fx layer on my avatar its just the normal hand gestures..

how do i fix that,

[little plume]

its got a fade to it

[safe jetty]

nothin changed

[night ember]

🤷‍♂️

could probably be the sdk version then

[sinful moon]

if anyone can do this really annoying this for me in blender or at least let me know if its possible to do please dm me

[night ember]

you didnt even say what "this" is

[sinful moon]

suprise

[night ember]

thats a very easy way to not get help at all

[little plume]

matcap just makes it completley reflective and you cant see te normal texture

[sinful moon]

well, its adding an asset of an avatar onto an avatar that isnt the respective one

its not clothing

[safe jetty]

nothin still i might just be at a loss here

[night ember]

then change the settings of the matcap

theres masking
overlay options
etc

[night ember]

why wouldnt this be possible?
also #1204490664637890580 go to vrctraders for that

[little plume]

teres just not

[night ember]

have you considered not using the search feature

[safe jetty]

thank u btw it worked

[ashen pelican]

Is there an easy or simple way to make an outline mask for this thang? so the outline doesn't go through the model?

[night ember]

thatd be stenciling not a mask

[ashen pelican]

Tried pressing all the buttons in the stencil do you know how to do it properly?

[night ember]

read the documentation

https://www.poiyomi.com/blog/2022-07-11-stencilled-outlines

[ashen pelican]

okay thank you 🙏

[somber sequoia]

when you open up your Blender project and work on it for 15 minutes before realizing that you've been here before.. and you go do some inspecting git and realize you never did a git pull and so were just working on an outdated file.

[timber wharf]

git:0, win robocopy:1

[somber sequoia]

no idea what that is

[sharp crater]

Just did a hand transplant (With tons of help from a friend) but setting it up in unity, for some reason, the thumb is preventing it from being a TPose Humanoid, any idea why?

(Ignore the wonky texture, that one was designed for the old hands lol)

[night ember]

just enforce tpoze

[somber sequoia]

You can just rotate the bone around a little until it matches... or yeah, try to enforce T-pose

[sharp crater]

Oh, that fixed it, thanks xD

[night ember]

its probably just too close to the palm

[sharp crater]

I was going to ask "How" but found it in a tiny dropdown menu

[fathom rover]

Hey could anyone tell me why my models eyes want to shift downward in its natural state?
On blender, and when previewing looking straight, she looks forward. but on unity the eyes warp downwards.
First image is blender, 2nd is unity (and the eye rotation states.)

[somber sequoia]

What do the eye bones look like in Blender? They should be perfectly straight upright, with 0 bone roll

[somber sequoia]

no idea which of those are eye bones?

the eye bone's head should be at the exact center of rotation, whatever you define that as

[fathom rover]

The bones are named "lefteye" and "righteye" in the middle.
When the bone is rotated in pose mode, the eyes dont clip out, so id assume the head is at the center of rotation.

[somber sequoia]

I mean the center of the eye rotation, which is different per eye. But if it works for you, great.

[fathom rover]

Okay, well I haven't changed anything here, so I'm still having my issue of my models eyes wanting to rotate downwards in unity. I play tested my model, and it caused the eyes to literally be outside of the head on vrc.

[safe jetty]

does anyone know why this is happening?

[somber sequoia]

because you did not install the Android build tools in Unity

[safe jetty]

how should i do that

[somber sequoia]

yeah - if those are the bones, being so far from the eyes, I'm not surprised it's weird

[somber sequoia]

in Unity Hub, in "Installs", select your unity version, click "manage" and add the package there

[vestal sand]

so i got an issue i tried to fix but it's always the same thing, on Blender, nothing seems to be broken but when i export the model to FBX it shows up with a blendshape on in Unity even though none are and when i look into them the model gets janky, so i applied the modifiers on Blender, still not fixed, i look if there aren't any bones named the same as an object, still not working, idk if it's during the exportation of format there's been something wrong

[somber sequoia]

in the Unity import settings you can turn off blenshape values, I forget the actual name for it, but it's in the first tab of the inspector for the model file. "deform amount"?

Also if you have modifiers, apply them before exporting

[vestal sand]

i did

and still not working

[safe jetty]

tysm

[vestal sand]

im looking through i can't see to find anything

[somber sequoia]

Just giving random useful advice, I'm not sure what the problem is given the info I have.

[vestal sand]

ok

thx anyways

[nimble cape]

Do avatars support the use of rigidbody components and retain the physics of such?

[somber sequoia]

Yes... kinda. They tend to work weird. but VRlabs has some prefabs that make them kinda sane

[nimble cape]

Gotcha, thanks

[dull sable]

Nvm turns out the animation was using the first thing of the hierarchy rather than the plane mesh i had

[spark walrus]

Where do I look for people that make avatars?

[somber sequoia]

VRC Traders discord - link is in #1204490664637890580

[spark walrus]

Thank you ❤️

[wet pier]

I want to split this eye texture in four seperate pieces (The UV map makes it show all of them at once, so you need to do one at once,)

the only issue

i have no idea what color to use

because theres no cover art in color using these eye types

white doesnt

exactly look great

and i want this to be quest compatible

[tame bay]

hey im having an issue with vrc fury and having too many parameters how do i fix this issue?
it says 403 out of 256 bits but how do i reduce it?

[somber sequoia]

look in your avatar parameters list and either remove some, or uncheck "synced" for them. Unchecking that means they'll be local-only, only you will see their effects

[tame bay]

where do i uncheck the sync if u dont mind me asking

[somber sequoia]

"look in your avatar parameters list"

[tame bay]

oops ty

hey im kinda stupid but like where is this list

[somber sequoia]

it's linked in your avatar descriptor under "expresisons"

[tame bay]

ty

this thing right?

[somber sequoia]

under "expressions", the item in "parameters"

[tame bay]

idk where to uncheck

[dusk hinge]

Hi random stupid thing with my avatars is that sometimes they try to be uploaded as a pc avatar, and Yes I do all the steps I need to do to have it as a quest/android avatar idk what happening. It's frustrating me

[nimble zenith]

Its posssible but you need to add weight paint and make it work. If you edit it to the shape of the avatar you may be able to transfer weights but even then since its "fur" you will prob have to do some manual adjustment so it bends correctly in certain areas.

Blendshapes are pretty destructive when editing unless you follow some rules in regards to them. Like 1 mixing meshes with blendshapes with another when they both have similar blendshape names can basically nuke the blendshapes in a destructive manner due to conflicting data but this can be avoided following simple rules. When editing blendshapes it has to be done a certain way sometimes. As for the material slots make sure its the same number of materials as before or pumkin wont fix it due to the data changing. Make sure there is no dupe materials being applied from other meshes etc. If you make a clip of what you're trying to do i can prob assist you further.

[nimble zenith]

You put the project into android platform ?

[jagged vessel]

I ended up figuring it out. Tysm though

[median stream]

How do i know where in the Poiyomi settings i put them?

[nimble zenith]

Good, you're big brain

[nimble zenith]

Think most of that will be in the colors and normals section & maybe shading. Poi has documentation that may help you. As I don't wanna open unity to check for u since im going to bed soon ;<

[median stream]

I see i see thanks! i will check the poi documentation

[dusk hinge]

Yes

[devout locust]

I'm confused I'm trying to fix my avatar and my eye material is completely white and I can't fix it

My eyes only show on standard not on matcap lit or standard lite

[ornate stump]

You have to take screenshot so previde more detail and context to your question.

[spark walrus]

I have 3 avatars with the same problem as each other: They're off the wonk.

When I import the avatars to VRChat, their models are rotated by 90d the wrong way, can anyone help?

[ornate stump]

Take screenshot to provide more detail and context to your question.

[ornate stump]

And how it is in vrc?

[spark walrus]

The front of the avi is the side of the avatar.

[lofty flower]

I have some random error that tells me that the avatar wasn't imported as a humanoid rig even though I adjusted the import settings to have it set as Humanoid..

[junior void]

Is the avatar assigned in the descriptor?

[ornate stump]

Did you make the avatar in blender? The model must face -Y direction in blender.

[spark walrus]

oh...

[spark walrus]

Yeah, but IDK what direction it was facing.

Well, my friend did smth and fixed it, he never told me what tho.

[lofty flower]

well it seems to be, after all there is no other avatar in the scene and I have the avatar that I want to upload selected

[ornate stump]

Do you see a compass gismo?

[spark walrus]

Ah, oki.

[junior void]

I mean the avatar rig configuration (blue man symbol)

[spark walrus]

They're facing -X

[lofty flower]

where do I find that?

[ornate stump]

Of course it's incorrect.

[junior void]

In the descriptor of the avatar in your scene

[spark walrus]

Do I need to reimport them all in the right direction or can I fix it in Unity?

[ornate stump]

Of course you do.

[lofty flower]

im not exactly sure what to show here but here is the entire menu for the inspections..

[ornate stump]

Export from blender to fix it.

[junior void]

In animator

[spark walrus]

goddamn it.

[junior void]

"avatar"

It is assigned, so show the rig config screen

[lofty flower]

oh what it says its not in tpose

I keep trying to enforce tpose but the moment i go back to this screen it just says its not tpose again???

[junior void]

Also click apply?

[lofty flower]

I did

every time...

it just goes straight back into non-tpose???

what

[ornate stump]

Does it show some Error in the menu where you select rig type?

[lofty flower]

yes

[junior void]

Show us

[ornate stump]

That's the reason.

[lofty flower]

if ur talking about this i mean

[junior void]

So open the msg

[lofty flower]

wait i might have found out what the issue is

[junior void]

Yes bc the foldout tells you

[lofty flower]

ok nope.

File 'ZTBTest' avatar creation failed:
    Ambiguous Transform 'Armature/Hips/Spine/Chest/Neck/Head' and 'Head' found in hierarchy for human bone 'Head'. Transform name mapped to a human bone must be unique.

UnityEngine.GUIUtility:ProcessEvent (int,intptr,bool&)

I assume it has to do with the actual mesh

[junior void]

You cannot name mesh to human bone

Rename head mesh to face or anything

[lofty flower]

Lemme re-import it changing the mesh rq

okay it seems to have fixed the issue!

Thanks!

Although another issue did come up

Not sure if it's because I renamed it

[junior void]

animation issue with the face?

[lofty flower]

no it just seems to be because I turned off leaf bones

when I was exporting the avatar

And since the ear physbones was a single bone it just refused to work

I just added a bone to extend off of it

no biggie

[junior void]

thats what the end position setting in unity is for

at the top of any physbone script you have end settings, extend y beyond 0 and youll get 'length'

[lofty flower]

oh shoot I just saw that feature

I'll probably utilise it when I update my avatar..

Thanks!

Either way the problem is fixed

[fierce spear]

hey, trying to fit a piece of clothing.

ideas on how to stop the hair from clipping? ive no clue how colliders work but maybe thats something i can do? id rather do that instead of making the hoodie FAAAR too big

[ornate stump]

Make shapekeys to make hair smaller.

[fierce spear]

Im dumb. That was always a solution. Thanks.

[split peak]

Does anyone have a solution to why my blendshapes weight range is clamped? and how do I disable it?

Normal <= => GestureManager/In vrchat

[ornate stump]

Does it exceed while you're testing with gesture manager?

[split peak]

yes

when im just in normal scene it looks normal, even checking on animation its fine

but whenever i upload or check on gesturemanager this happens

[ornate stump]

Does it return to idle face when it no longer toggles the gesture?

[split peak]

leme record real quick so you get the idea

[split peak]

i know its something to do with my FX

cause when i delete it, its normal

but i cant seem to figure it out inside of the animator

idk how to fix this

[ornate stump]

Make sure that your animator states through out all animator controller is set write defaults to on or off the same. Do not mix.

[ornate stump]

This is irrelevant.

[split peak]

if its this, then its all turned on

[ornate stump]

In all the layers including Base, Additive, and so on?

[split peak]

from the looks of it yes

[ornate stump]

Does the sdk report about mixed write default?

[rocky fractal]

anybody knows why when i switch avatars i can see all my clothes and boots at once for 1 second and then goes to default outfit

[split peak]

non

[ornate stump]

Is any layer in avatar playable layer still default layer?

[split peak]

worst chase is to delete FX and reupload the original and redo everything

[split peak]

is it possible to screenshare it for ya?

[ornate stump]

No.

[split peak]

i found the solution

FX and Gesture were colliding in playable layers

[ornate stump]

Colliding?

[split peak]

yeah

[ornate stump]

From the picture it doesn't tell how it's "colliding". But from my previous question asking whether you still have some layer default and you had the addtive one default.

[little plume]

i also cant get my matcaps to look right

[somber sequoia]

This is where you do what that error message says, that's where the error will be.

[little plume]

i for some reason cant open the rig editor like i normally could

[somber sequoia]

I'll always be surprised by people posting that exact image and not following the instructions in it.

[little plume]

usually theres an option to edit

[somber sequoia]

Not what I'm telling you to do, but also this issue is because you have multiple inspector windows - it pops up in one at random for some reason

[little plume]

i did. i cant open teh avatar rig editor menu

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that's the error.

[little plume]

yes i have multiple

[somber sequoia]

I run 3 inspectors and tend to lock 2 of them to force the rig setup to go into the one I want. It's annoying.

[little plume]

i have one

?

[somber sequoia]

dunno then, unity is weird.

[trim edge]

Hi there! currently trying to make my first avatar, im having some troubles making her lady bumps do the jiggle stuff. i added the vrc phys bones but nothing is happening when i hit play and go into scene and move the avatar around, it is still stiff. Any help appreciated 🙂

[somber sequoia]

you'll want to use a testing tool like AV3 Emulator or Gesture Manager to get the VRChat components active in play mode

[trim edge]

ill try to add gesture manager 🙂

[nimble zenith]

@trim edge Any emulator is not required to test physbones as the C# script has all the code to function in playmode on its own. What if for this avi you put it on each boob rather than the root? Or try seeing if setting a transform works.

[trim edge]

well im also having issues with figuring out what an animator is haha

[trim edge]

i tried to add a transform but they only move when i put the transform onto the root but even when i do that, they move unevenly

[trim edge]

well thanks anyhow 🙂

[nimble zenith]

Depending on which one a animator is a unity component, you will see it on the root of the model where the descriptor is.
There is another animator which is a window in unity which you can access by double clicking a FX Layer or going to the top of unity and clicking Window > Animation > Animator

[nimble zenith]

Maybe weight paint differs for each boob ? 🤔

[balmy barn]

its one bone, add endpoint to make them move

[nimble zenith]

Oh yeaaa i forgot about the end bone thing.

[balmy barn]

having a radius make it much easier to see if they ever move

[nimble zenith]

Does making a empty work as a end bone or would it need to be reexported with end bones via blender ?

[balmy barn]

just use endpoint in physbone setting its a free 'bone'

[nimble zenith]

Ohh gotcha. Good tip 👍

[trim edge]

we have movement!! ty~

[brittle condor]

hi all, I'm extremely new to vrchat and avatar creation, so please bear with me

this is a mmd model I made and I'm trying to put her in vrchat. all of her blendshapes are in the placeholder mesh and are connected to the bones. I'm still not sure how to properly connect the placeholder so the blendshapes actually show up on the avatar

for whatever reason her default face is a shouting expression. I have no animation controllers or any playable layers on the avatar yet so I don't know where to start in fixing it

[mental pawn]

i have made a little eye shape blendshape and i just wanted to know how can i make them toggleable in vrchat without the blenshape breaking the blinking blendshape

[junior void]

Not worth the effort imo

[round quiver]

hi im kinda new to this avatar stuff idk how i take a picture of this but my hair phybones wont stay on my avatars head and kinda fall behind??

[somber sequoia]

haha, this is the kind of thing I put my effort into

[junior void]

You could do 'if brows down' - use another blink shape or blink only at 90% strength. That requires blinking via fx setup and not vrc avatar descriptor blink

[somber sequoia]

Yep

hmm... what does the avatar descriptor blink do anyway?

[nimble zenith]

Did you export this model with shapekeys set to 0 with basis selected? I would also check the skinned mesh renderer of the body to make sure all values for blendshapes are 0.

[somber sequoia]

I don't believe that has any effect at all, I've never bothered to do it

if you really want, you can uncheck "deform percent" in the FBX import settings

[brittle condor]

yes, everything is set to 0.

[nimble zenith]

Maybe they saw a ghost lol. No but srsly i think id have to take a look at the fbx maybe. Prob just needs a little cleanup

[brittle condor]

what i'm currently doing is trying to copy the placeholder shapes onto the mesh in blender

[nimble zenith]

Were they created on that mesh originally ?

[brittle condor]

they were not. how mmd works is that the shape keys are on a placeholder mesh, which is linked to the armature. but that doesn't pass over into creator companion

[nimble zenith]

Interesting, but the placeholder in unity has the blendshapes? Does mmd deform via vertex or bones? Cause maybe you could join the placeholder with the body mesh and maybe it will merge without breaking..

[brittle condor]

the shape keys are bones. i'm currently copying all the blendshapes as poses and i'm gonna see if I can apply them to the body mesh

[somber sequoia]

.. shape keys aren't bones, they're shifts in vertex positions on a mesh object

[brittle condor]

for this model the expressions are through the bones

[lilac musk]

Your making a pose with bones and setting them as shape keys?

[somber sequoia]

yep, that's fine - that's just not "shape keys"

[slender loom]

sorry for the random question, But how do you get textures to appear inside of your shirts?

[somber sequoia]

Either model a face inside there, or turn off backface culling in your material, assuming your shader supports it. both are a performance hit.

[brittle condor]

with my model all of the expressions (frowning, blinking, etc.) are on a placeholder mesh. this mesh is linked to the armature. with mmd tools in blender I am able to view these keys, they work fine

but in unity/creator companion, this does not pass over and the keys do not appear on the model.

[nimble zenith]

Triple A games pose faces with bones sometimes rather than shapkeys. There is mutiple ways to do things. It is possible to pose the facial bones and save the deformation as a shapekey instead.

[somber sequoia]

Yes, I'm totally aware of this

Until those bone movements and such are converted into shape keys, they aren't shape keys, so the statement I was commenting on was incorrect as is, but now that I see what's going on here, I understand why it was said how it was.

[nimble zenith]

Yeah but I think you and I both know what they meant even if it was not technically correct.

[somber sequoia]

Either way, you'll have to turn these into actual shape keys, Unity can't use this as-is.
Unless you wanted to make animations that move the bones how this stuff does instead.

[somber sequoia]

I didn't and others might not, so as it was, it was an incorrect statement. But let's move on, there's no need to continue this.

[amber pivot]

Need some help!!
[Pics both taken on standalone quest]
Im working on redoing one of my avatars (Left) but ever since the first verison of the avatar, I ran into this problem of the face not being transparent. (Note: I DO have the vrchat particles shader on that material.)
when I put this on quest, I had to cut out the head images manually and that lowkey takes forever and its annoying to do.
Its weird cause another avatar i made (Right) worked just fine using the particle shader. They both the vrchat particle shader on, Left using just the multiply option while Right using both multiply and additive option.
Could using both multipy and additive be casuing it?

[main fiber]

my avatar's right arm keeps doing this weird bend, specifically on the right wrist area, but not in blender when the same FBX is imported there. Is it possessed?

[polar valve]

tenna mentioned

[brittle condor]

ok, the making poses into blendshapes thing has been resolved. but my model's default face is still her with the mouth open. All blendshapes are at 0

[somber sequoia]

got a jawbone mapped in the rig setup? Don't, unless you're actually using that for speaking

[brittle condor]

that seems to have done the trick! but will her mouth still move when I talk?

[somber sequoia]

If you use viseme blendshapes for that, yes

[solid kindle]

so i just starting working on a novabeast avatar and i cant get the clothing to look right in game

[teal field]

so instead of making a blendshape for the arm to go into the cyber arm i tried an alpha. is this a good or bad idea?

[mental pawn]

wish there was an option like blender's relative to

so it would be possible lmao

[mental pawn]

the thing here is that i use eyelook for face tracking

which means i kind of have to use the avatar descriptor blink

[mental pawn]

it allows you to use the built in selfie expression

or at the very least its one of its uses

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I don't use that, I just realized I never actually looked into what that actually does

UV tile discarding is also a decent way to do this

[mental pawn]

i mean all i really want is to be able to toggle between those states OR at least be able to switch the blink blendshape to another one that fits the squinted eye

[somber sequoia]

Yep, and I did some setup for this but I suddenly got curious as to whether that's even needed, at least in my case where I don't use that selfie thing

[mental pawn]

i do use it but if i use the normal blinking eh, things get funny

[somber sequoia]

yeah - you can use VRC Animator Tracking Control to disable that when doing your own animations, that's my method.

[solid kindle]

how would one fix this

[mental pawn]

whats the look up and look down thing?

[somber sequoia]

explain what you mean by "this"

[solid kindle]

my clothing is stuck in the tpose

[somber sequoia]

how did you attach it?

[solid kindle]

i dragged it to the nova beast in the hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

Also is it already rigged? For that avatar or for a different one?

is it a VRCFury prefab maybe?

[solid kindle]

it was made for the nova beast

im really new to this

[mental pawn]

does anyone know if its possible to make separate blinking with selfie expression?

i have the blendshapes but i dont see where to set them up

[solid kindle]

it says loco

[somber sequoia]

?

[solid kindle]

the file

[somber sequoia]

no idea what that is. Perhaps read the readme?

[solid kindle]

it just paid

says"

[somber sequoia]

that's all it says in the file?

[solid kindle]

yea

[somber sequoia]

weird.

[solid kindle]

yea

fr

[nimble zenith]

Is it the novamaid thing ?

[solid kindle]

no its a femboy out fit for said nova beast

[brittle condor]

i'm a bit confused as to how to make the blendshapes into animations

[nimble zenith]

Do you know if its a drag n drop fury asset or not? Cause if its not you will need to either join it in blender or use vrcfurys armature link component

[solid kindle]

no i dont

[somber sequoia]

You make an animation and record changing the blendshape

[nimble zenith]

do u have the link to the shop page ?

[solid kindle]

i got it from vrmodels

[brittle condor]

in blender or in cc?

[nimble zenith]

I cant help u with that then, that site is a ripper site. VRC discord can only help you with paid assets.

[somber sequoia]

In the Unity editor.
IF you mean "Creator Companion", that's a package manager and launcher tool - the real work is done in Unity

[somber sequoia]

Pay creators for their work, you won't find help with this around here.

[brittle condor]

i can't seem to find a way to make keyframes for the blendshapes

[somber sequoia]

watch a tutorial on making animations - you need the animation clip in an animation controller that's in the avatar's "Animator" slot before this will work

[brittle condor]

how come she's doing this in the animation? i don't have any of the muscle mapping selected in there

[somber sequoia]

That's "bike pose" - the default pose for Unity animation. Work with it.

(as in it looks like she's riding a bike... kinda)

[trim edge]

Hi there! im trying to add gogo to my avatar but when i go into play mode and use gesture manager it doesnt do anything, im assuming its due to me not having an animator set up but i have no idea what that is, any suggestions? ❤️

[dusty storm]

Hey, im currently trying to get facial animations with gestures working.
ive got this setup on my FX Gesture layer (with a weight of 1, on overwrite) and GogoLoco's Gesture Controller set in my avatar descriptor.
My FX Controller has a copy of the Gesture Parameters (Weight in float + the gesture number in int)
Each transtion has the contraint of = (on entry) or != (on exit) to its linked gesture number
Write Defaults is on.

i keep getting issues, of it just not showing the animation in editor/Test built version.
The animator controller will show that its swapped over and is playing the right animation when i trigger a gesture, but it wont show.

ive got it to work before by remaking all the animations again, but that shouldnt be the fix. Since last time it worked the only thing ive done was try to build the avatar and change the transitions to no longer have exit time.

Ive been trying to get this working for the past 2 hours now, and have only got it to work a few times. (and ChatGPT is not helping anymore!)

Any suggestions?
Thank you.

[rapid jolt]

Hi! I have poiyomi shader on my model and I can't figure out by myself how to get rid of the white line when the model is further.
I worry it'll be visible ingame :Ic
Tried googling for it but I'm so unfamiliar with unity that figuring out the correct terms is a little hard.

[nimble zenith]

If im not mistaken im pretty sure you need to add a few extra pixels of color near the UVs edge. That is usually where a seam would be.

[nimble zenith]

Nothing on it works at all ? Cause its suppsoed to be drag n drop, shouldn't have to mess with an animator to get it working

[rapid jolt]

Hmm, the UV's are a bit close to the edge on those back parts. I'll try extend em, thank you.

[trim edge]

Im making it from fbx's, its not one i just straight bought off payhip or jinxxy. The drag and drop no worky

[hybrid basin]

Could someone help me figure out this lighting issue? My anchor overrides are all set to chest, and the lighting on my materials are all the same. No emissions on the skin, no matcaps, no reflections, etc.

[full vigil]

I'm having this problem where the expressions on my avatar are messed up, they were fine before but then when I updated it they were messed up like this, anyone know how to fix?

[nimble zenith]

What like trying to transfer it from another model?

[nimble zenith]

If you're talking about the eyes thats your gesture conflicting with blinking on the avatar descriptor

Also looks like others are triggering though

[dusty storm]

Seems like having a plugin to take notes that crashed the build process last time might of caused issues? without it it seems to work.... WELP!

[full vigil]

what does that mean?

[nimble zenith]

That you're manipulating blendshapes on the model that are already animated. Example vrc_blink.left + wink can cause issues like that due to them both making the eyes close etc.

[full vigil]

but I didn't change any of that, it was working before and I didn't do anything but add a pickup then reuploaded it, the eye's literally don't show up at all now

and the quest version looks normal but the pc looks like that

[left gull]

do you have mixed write defaults maybe?

[full vigil]

maybe, I'll check

write defaults is on for everything

[stone inlet]

Does anyone know how to make a toggle with custom walk animation? I can’t find any videos explaining how to do it.
Ask me in DM for more details

[trim edge]

No, i mean im putting one together from scratch. Its just not doing anything when i add gogo

[spark walrus]

You need an animator. it'll be made automatically when you make it a humanoid rig. https://youtu.be/IhMmYbrBmhk?si=vZXoO2-w9At6WIOT&t=101
Ignore the error part in the video, unless yours error too. But still check mappings, so chest is slotted to chest/etc.
if the animator is not made automatically, click your avatar's main gameobject, in the hierarchy, (the one where the vrcavatardescriptor is) and add as a new component.
tick apply root motion. an animator controller will be made automatically whenever you make an animation.

[trim edge]

It is a humanoid rig but ill watch that video when i get back to my project. Thank you 🙂

[spark walrus]

then the animator just werent added automatically, and you can ignore the video and just follow the text instructions I gave. or if it were, and something else is wrong, and youll come back and let us know and someone will help

[spark walrus]

Build generation failing can cause whacky behavior, like renaming all anims/materials/etc. If it renamed your avatar hiearchy (armature to spine.001), anims stop working. sometimes anims or animator layers just break, you can use avatars 3.0 manager to copy over these things to a new avatar, if it happens again.

[dusty storm]

the animations or smth broke, remaking them + the controller layer solved all of it,

good to know tho

Didn't think it coukd do that

thank you!

[vagrant summit]

Can I animate these properties in the Toon Standard shader?

If I can, how do I add them as a property to the animation timeline

[somber sequoia]

record animation, change property. Remember you have to do it on the material that's already on a mesh renderer on your avatar. Because you're really animating properties on the mesh renderer.

[vagrant summit]

That didn't work...

I've used that method for Poiyomi shaders though

[somber sequoia]

not sure why it wouldn't work with Toon Standard

[vagrant summit]

does it work for anyone else?

Oh

Maybe I found it in the list

[somber sequoia]

list?

[vagrant summit]

the Add Property button list

I didn't ssearch deep enough

[somber sequoia]

ohh, yeah I don't dig in there much

[naive moth]

when I add this prefab to avatar, it is sideways, what do I need to check?

i got it here https://dasteel.gumroad.com/l/SteampunkGoggles?layout=profile

[left gull]

if the asset came with a .txt or a tutorial id check that first, if there isnt anything that mentions/shows your issue or can fix it just contact the creator directly

its a paid asset so w/o anymore info or someone purchasing/owning the asset already they cant really troubleshoot it for ya

[obtuse bronze]

how do i do this

[left gull]

is your .fbx humanoid?

it should add it automatically when you've set it up properly

[obtuse bronze]

it has an animator but it still has that problem for some reason

OK got it fixed

[obtuse bronze]

how do i fix this?

[somber sequoia]

setup the rig as humanoid, assuming your avatar should be. It's covered in most basic setup tutorial videos

it's the cause of your previous problem also

[nimble zenith]

Check the tranform component and make sure no rotation values are applied

[nimble zenith]

You can find the thing kazin is talking about by clicking on the fbx file in unity and going to the rig menu and set it to humanoid in dropdown

[dense lion]

anyone else getting this message? i've been using sdk for a while now.

[nimble zenith]

prob just not aware your rank has increased

[obtuse bronze]

i did that

[dense lion]

sobs i hope this gets fixed because i've been trusted user for a long time, i was using it just fine yesterday

[nimble zenith]

that the latest ?

[dense lion]

3.7.6

[nimble zenith]

Well make sure the avatar in the animator is humanoid cause vrchat sdk will look there rather than whats in the scene to validate it is humanoid.

[obtuse bronze]

So it seems like the humanoid rig is all screwed up so I don't know what to do I don't want to rerig the whole thing 'cause I don't know how

[nimble zenith]

Show me the rig setup, it doesnt always map the right bones automatically

[obtuse bronze]

ok shall i dm it to you?

[nimble zenith]

Should be fine, maybe check is just not working 🤷‍♂️

[nimble zenith]

If you prefer, you can always just screenshot it

[obtuse bronze]

ok

[dense lion]

got it to work i believe, upgrading to the newest version helped

[obtuse bronze]

sent

[vagrant summit]

Ever figure out what was causing this?

I have the same problem right now, only I'm using VRCFury to make the animation run.

[sweet galleon]

No it just resolved itself sorry :/ just keep trying to compile it until it works

Eventually it will

Then it might show up wrong in the view screen but it should upload right

[vagrant summit]

iiiiinteresting

[lofty hill]

Does anyone know why this is happening 🥲

[lofty hill]

I get that and I did that when I was trying to upload it but it errored..

[vagrant summit]

you added a thumbnail?

[night ember]

delete the blueprint id and upload again

[left gull]

im also unable to update thumbnails for stuff on both the site and in unity, seems like a vrchat issue maybe?

[oak bone]

the prefab probably isn't rotated in the right position. Fix that in blender and reimport and see if it works?

[left wharf]

this might be fixed in 3.9.2-beta.2 3.9.1-beta.2 (#open-beta-announcements message)
you could give it a try now, or just wait for the new stable release

[nimble zenith]

i saw a api alert earlier but idk if its still a problem atm

[left gull]

yeah wish they'd give us an update :(

[pallid jolt]

im having a really weird issue and idk how to explain it. I'm trying to add physbones to my avatar, but whenever i add the component to a bone that doesnt have anything parented to it the physbone just doesnt exist? the best way to describe it is that the gizmo just doesnt show that theres a bone there, and when i go into play mode nothing moves.

*I've never had this issue before

[ornate stump]

Screenshot can help you explain it.

[pallid jolt]

on the first image the bone has the component on it but doesnt have the gizmo like it should, and in play mode it doesnt move, the second is how everything else looks
this is the case for all bones like the one selected in the first image

[ornate stump]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones#transforms read a "CAUTION" section here

[pallid jolt]

ahh thanks

[earnest forge]

Is there a way to isolate each garter belt and sculpt them individually? Cause when I try to sculpt the inner part it pulls the other inner belt towards the one I'm adjusting up against the skin.

[somber sequoia]

split them into separate parts?

[earnest forge]

How do you do something like that? They're linked to the skirt, idk if that makes a difference. I'm completely new to blender.

[somber sequoia]

mesh edit mode, select faces, 'p' to "part" it out into a separate object

[autumn bolt]

Yo, haven't been on this game in years, was curious if there are any deer or moose avatars that are just animals and not furries?

[earnest forge]

I'll try that, thanks for the tip ❤️

[left gull]

there deff is, check in #1138520828556890214 for existing posts or make ur own though

[autumn bolt]

bet ty

[warped scroll]

does anyone know why my icons keep getting reset on upload? I thought it was just a high texture memory but its not. I feel like it might be VRCfury fucking things up somehow

[ornate stump]

What icons? Action menu icons?

[warped scroll]

yes

[ornate stump]

Is it the icon you set in expression menu file, or using other tools?

[tardy locust]

Between Blender and Unity, is there any efficient way to keep different versions of the same avatar mostly in sync? Mostly looking at different clothes / accessories on different versions to keep my performance ranking from dipping.

[warped scroll]

Yes it is the ones I set in the expression menu. The ones controlled by VRCFury seem to be unaffected

like I got a magic menu for example that keeps getting reset, but my expressions menu never does

[fresh rose]

i ekep getting this error when i try to open a project and it just opens teh file location of VCC

[hallow herald]

Idk why but nothing happened when I click the Build & Publish button in unity vrc, please help 😭

sorry old errors, it's that

[junior void]

whats the one red error not included

[junior void]

the blueprint id error has nothing to no with the actual blueprint, its a generic symptom of other issues

do you have any errors in the import settings screen, specifically the rig screen?

[hallow herald]

new to vrc i don't really know what does it mean

[junior void]

in your assets, you have the fbx of your model somewhere

[hallow herald]

i've imported a unity package

[junior void]

that doesnt mean its free of mistakes

the unity package will have imported the fbx too

[hallow herald]

so i need to reimport it again?

[junior void]

i didnt say that

[hallow herald]

the build & test works but nobody can se me

?this

[balmy barn]

restart unity if it was just imported , script if it has any can fail - then try upload again

[junior void]

id check the rig screen just to double check as well

[hallow herald]

So, restarted unity and he tell me this :

[balmy barn]

that error still dont matter

[hallow herald]

this button still do nothing

oh wait did I'm a dumbass? probably

[rapid parrot]

keep getting this error when trying to upload, i have double checked that all textures models etc. have the needed things like read/write and stream mips, still no luck. How do i fix this or what do i try next?

SDK version 3.9.0

also despite the error it still "makes" the avatar and shows in my avatars both on website and in SDK

OK downgrading to SDK 3.8.2 fixed it

[somber sequoia]

for future reference, this "failed to upload avatar" message is not a useful error, you want to look at the first few errors in the console for the root cause

[rapid parrot]

thanks

noted

[runic ether]

Hey there, I jsut recently started using VRCFury to make avatars faster and I'm trying to understand it's functions. Does anyone know how to make a grabbable prop on an avatar using VRCFury?

I have a character with a gun on his back and I want to make it so it can reach into a contact zone and then have it switch to its hand when he reaches back for it.

So far I have two separate instances of the same object with VRCF Toggles and Armature links on them, I'm wondering if there's another component that makes it so when one is active, the other turns off.

I'm also open to different techniques using just one instance of the item if anyone knows how to do that

I'm also not sure where the animation parameters and controller is saved in the project so I can't manually edit them

[somber sequoia]

you can find the parameters list by looking under "Expressions" in the avatar descriptor
Animation controllers will be under "playable layers" in the same component

[olive furnace]

First time using blender so forgive me if the answer is obvious.

I am trying to weight paint an asset but no matter what I do, there's always this bit sticking out between the legs. I can't seem to paint it at all and trying to add or remove weight from the area it's stemming from doesn't seem to help with anything. Has anyone seen this before?

[somber sequoia]

yeah - that's one vertex with no weight. It's sometime tricky to actually target it when it's a single point like that

[olive furnace]

Interesting. If I can't paint it by moving the brush all around the area, how does someone usually go about finding the right spot for it? Is there a menu I can use or some such?

[somber sequoia]

couple of ways - you can go back into mesh edit mode, click on a vertex, and look in the "Item" box of the 'n' popup on the right, it'll show the weights for that vertex

I often will rotate the bone less to try to see when the vertex starts to stick out and get it before it's way too pointy to easily target

also you can go into mesh edit mode and select all vertices in that vertex group, to see if one is missing

[olive furnace]

Ahh, that's great. I'll have a look into that. Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it!

[somber sequoia]

you're welcome!

I'm actually weight painting right now

[olive furnace]

Hopefully going better than my instance of it haha

[somber sequoia]

oh it's going to go way worse very soon - it's a dress 🙁

I'm refitting a friend's work though, so assuming she painted that part right, I shouldn't need to do too much touch-up, but we'll see

[olive furnace]

Oh oof. Maybe I'm not so bad off after all. It could've been a dress after all. My condolences, Kazin. I'm sorry for your loss.

[somber sequoia]

haha

[trim edge]

Heh- me again 😅 ive got most of my issues worked out, however, i cannot get the top of the clothes to move with the jiggle of her lady bumps. ive tried to add phys bones and match the same setting but it no worky. any advice appreciated ❤️

[somber sequoia]

do the bones move those mesh parts in Blender in pose mode?

[trim edge]

working solely in unity 😬

[somber sequoia]

oh you should be able to try rotating those bones in Unity too to verify they move the right parts

pro tip though: if you do try this, just undo the rotation after you're done, it makes it easier

you don't want to leave bones weirdly rotated

what you're checking for here is if the mesh is weight painted properly

[trim edge]

ok so i did actually have blender downloaded i just dont know much about it, i imported the fbx and put it into pose mode but it no jiggle

[somber sequoia]

physbones are a VRChat Unity SDK exclusive, they don't translate into Blender

[trim edge]

then wha?

[somber sequoia]

in blender pose mode, select a boob bone and rotate it, see if the mesh moves as you expect

[trim edge]

ohhhh

ok yes that can move

[somber sequoia]

ok good, then the issue is probably with the physbone setup itself, in Unity

[trim edge]

i got it fixed tysm! only one more issue and ima try to fix it for a bit before i ask for help haha

[somber sequoia]

oh good!

[lethal ibex]

I have two transitions pointing to the same animation, one with FrindBind false, another with FriendBind true. They are used only here. How to know what they change?

I want to find out, how the "only friends can see toggle" is made

[somber sequoia]

I haven't seen an easy way to do this in Unity, what I usually do is open up the animation controller file itself (it's just YAML) and search for the string to see where it is. Might be kinda advanced 🙂

[lethal ibex]

How i can find the YAML?

Stupid question, thank you!

[somber sequoia]

🙂

[grave ruin]

tried to backup my avatar project copying the asset and project settings folders only (someone on the internet said thats the "right" way since it repopulates after starting the project)
However upon starting said backup using VCC i get these errors (i was prompted to start safe mode because of compilation errors before and started in safe mode to see the error messages.)

Anyone able to explain the issue here?

[somber sequoia]

I'd start by deleting that _Poiyomi folder from Assets and installing the latest from VCC/Alcom

[grave ruin]

might be old version then? i was sure i updated everything available before attempting the backup

ill try that then

oh interesting

[somber sequoia]

Maybe, but ideally you want to use the modern package if you can anyway

could also be you have two copies - one in Assets and one via packages

[grave ruin]

when i do manage project on the original it has poiyomi greyed out

[somber sequoia]

did you remove the one in Assets first?

[grave ruin]

i didnt change anything

i mustve added poiyomi manually way back

[somber sequoia]

yep, probably

[grave ruin]

i dont even remember what for

most stuff needs liltoon

i figure i have to update manually? or can i delete the folder entirely and just use the version in vcc

[somber sequoia]

As I said, delete the one in Assets first, then restart Unity

[grave ruin]

k

now im getting errors about Kurotori Tools (before restarting)

contains avatar tools

delete that too?

might be flares avatar tools

[somber sequoia]

yeah not sure what that is, it may be out of date though.

[grave ruin]

its continueing the import now (i deleted it inside unity)

did it on its own cant restart until donw i guess

some of my assets are pretty old by now i guess it was bound to cause some issues after so many updates

[somber sequoia]

Yeah sometimes one package will get updated before another and break that other one

[grave ruin]

it killed all my installed packages for some reason i had to manually install all the packages for sdk and stuff via vcc again

i guess just copying assets and project settings doesnt cut it for a clean backup

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I would avoid backing up anything like that

[grave ruin]

now getting compilation errors again after i installed everything

its all SDK about some testattribute

[somber sequoia]

Always look at the first errors first, scroll up to the top.

[grave ruin]

NUnit

[somber sequoia]

which SDK, which unity?

[grave ruin]

3.9.0 and 2022.3.22f1

[modest ferry]

would anyone be able to help me on setting up the inspector? hes a new avi i made in blender and not sure how to set him up to work properly.

[somber sequoia]

what do you mean "setting up the inspector"?

[grave ruin]

the project was created on an older version though and later updated

[modest ferry]

settings for the animator, expressions, playable layers

[somber sequoia]

oh right - one thing you may have to do is exit Unity, delete the Library folder in your project, then restart and let it rebuild everything.
I see a bunch of hits when I search this discord for NUnit though, maybe something there is useful

[somber sequoia]

exactly what about this do you need help with? Have you watched a basic setup tutorial?

such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ

[grave ruin]

for starters if you wanna be able to move around with the avatar swap to a humanoid rig. But yes that request is very vague did you upload any avatars before?

[sharp timber]

Can someone help me? I'm trying to make a novabeast, and everything works fine. Except gestures. My face doesn't do nothing 😭😭

Like I can move the mouth when im talking, just not change expressions

[grave ruin]

can you share the fx layer showing the gestures?

[sharp timber]

Uhhh

Where do I find that? 😭

This is my first avi lol I'm still clueless with this stuff

[grave ruin]

im in the middle of trying to get my project running so i cant look at unity right now xD

[sharp timber]

Ohh ok 😭

[grave ruin]

your avatar should have a folder in your assets though

thats called fx layers or effect layers or sth

you also find it if you click your model in scene and check the avatar descriptor

[sharp timber]

So uhh

I don't have that

Lol

Also sorry I'm stupid whats the avatar descriptor?

[grave ruin]

sec ill open my project

[sharp timber]

Oki

[somber sequoia]

The component on the root object of your avatar that turns it from a 3D model into a VRChat avatar.

[sharp timber]

Uhhh

[modest ferry]

yes, my avatar hasnt changed. Im not sure if its something to do with the inspector or not. For example, i added gogo onto it, go into play mode and it doesnt do anything

[somber sequoia]

A good reference: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar

I suggest reading all of the docs here

[somber sequoia]

How did you add it?

[sharp timber]

Aw what. That's gonna suck ASS (I'm dyslexic 😭)

[junior void]

How does one even help someone who doesn't know what a avatar descriptor is

[sharp timber]

I just don't know the names for stuff lol

[modest ferry]

added the unity package then dropped it on the avi. ive always done it like that

[sharp timber]

Bru

Mb

</3

I found it tho

[somber sequoia]

Dropped what exactly?

[modest ferry]

the gogo

[somber sequoia]

...

[somber sequoia]

Okay so you added the VRC Fury prefab - this is the relevant bit of info here.

[grave ruin]

you see in the inspector on the right side after clicking your avatar, under avatar descriptor you find playable layers, find that fx layer click it and swap to animator in the top

[somber sequoia]

You have VRCFury in the project, right?

[grave ruin]

now that i look at it gesture layer might be what we look for

my gestures are on the fx layer though

[sharp timber]

Ok I'm testing that rn

[somber sequoia]

face expressions should not be in the gesture layer

[grave ruin]

ye i was just wondering i never used the gesture layer for anything

[modest ferry]

is ths what your talking about? im sorry ive never manually set up an avi before

[balmy barn]

fix humanoid first

[grave ruin]

yes click that new animator controller, then click it again in the assets below (it finds it for you)

[somber sequoia]

Those are playable layers, yes. But this exposes a problem - your avatar is not setup as humanoid. You probably want to fix that first

[modest ferry]

yes

[grave ruin]

then click animator in the top

[sharp timber]

So uh. I just straight up think I didn't port the avatar expressions 😭

Like I must've somehow forgot to import it

[grave ruin]

you should then see something like this. i want you to check if the checkbox for write default is checked or not for your gestures.

[somber sequoia]

Just because it currently says that doesn't mean it was properly done. You may have to set it to generic, apply, then back to humanoid and redo the setup.

[grave ruin]

nothing there?

[somber sequoia]

Probably if you look on your avatar's root object, it'll look like this too: #avatar-help message
That empty avatar slot is the issue.

[sand mica]

hello. How do I rig necklace or any other hanging object between 2 strings using vrm spring bone component? Is it possible to anchor the end bone of spring bones to other bone?

[somber sequoia]

You don't. Use a single bone chain in the middle and try to make it work.

[sand mica]

ok :-:

[somber sequoia]

Well - no idea about VRM, but that's off-topic for this server anyway

[modest ferry]

its on

[grave ruin]

now check your other animations that have been added by vrcfury if they are write default on or off

they should be in the same fx layer i hope

[sand mica]

Its a component like vrvchat physbone Is it possible to do it with physbone?

[grave ruin]

i didnt get to use vrcfury yet

the thing is if you have write defaults on "ANYWHERE" in the project on your animations then you have to set them ALL to write defaults on

or some wont work

[somber sequoia]

My comment was about Phsybones - you can't have connected ends

[grave ruin]

if you cant find stuff right away and just wanna fix it you can try to turn all your gestures to write default off and see if it works

[somber sequoia]

yeah probably don't do that, go fix it properly instead

[grave ruin]

yes dont listen to me im a trial and error person

zero read all experience

[somber sequoia]

haha, sometimes that's what you have to do though!

[sand mica]

ok! How do I make the end of the chain bones stay still?

And thanks for helping

[somber sequoia]

All you can do is play with the limiters, maybe using a curve to limit rotation of the end. Or maybe try putting a parent constraint on the end? I'm not sure that works.

[sand mica]

Thanks!! Ill try it

[grave ruin]

so what is the correct way for a backup now. ive now instead of just copying assets and project settings copied the whole project folder. is there anything i have to do still

ive read somewhere to delete the library folder why is that.

if i do that i will run into the same issues again i guess

including the NUnit one

i opened it without deleting the library and the backup seems to work fine

[timber wharf]

library folder is uuuh generated ie no point in backing it up

[somber sequoia]

there's no need to backup Library, it'll get generated when you open Unity

and it's large

[timber wharf]

and proper way is to use vcc backup project function

[grave ruin]

when i try to run that it takes 2 hours though

[timber wharf]

unless you cram everything into one project i dont see why it would, it just zips necessary folders/file types

[somber sequoia]

I just use git for my stuff

[grave ruin]

i cram everything into one project yes

all my avatars are in the same project

because starting a project also takes times and i like to save time

[timber wharf]

🤷‍♂️

regenerating library folder would also take a lot of time in tyat case since it contains gpu format converted textures for example

[grave ruin]

and since i just tried that i know that it will give me the Nunit error if i delete the library

i will eventually have to figure out how to work around that

but for the purpose of trying out vrcfury without messing up my backup this is fine for now

[misty laurel]

Is there a way with Poiyomi 8.1.167 to layer multiple alpha masks on one material so both can work at the same time depending on toggles?

Currently I'm using two separate materials with their own alpha mask and toggle but it causes one mask to override the other when both toggles are on at the same time.

I've been trying to mess with decals but no matter what I do it just stamps extra color/emission on top of the base texture and I can't seem to get it to work as alpha masks, I gotta be missing something.

[grave ruin]

i understand this right that when you already use modular avatar you dont need to do the armature part in vrcfury right? you can just use it only for the toggle

[somber sequoia]

why use 8 when you can use 9? But no, there's only one place for that, but you could setup the toggles in such a way that one overrides the other

Hmm also what about the "override alpha" checkbox?

[sharp timber]

Anyone able to help with this? 😭

I've tried deleting things, compressing things

Size don't change

Idk what I'm doin wrong 🥀 I just want it to be quest compatible </3

[somber sequoia]

with what specificially?

[sharp timber]

With the size being too big

By a whole .28 mb

[somber sequoia]

the usual: make textures smaller or use fewer textures, remove unused blendshapes, remove unused or unnecessary parts/props/clothing/etc.

[misty laurel]

@somber sequoia not sure why it's using that version, in vcc it's 9.1.30, but unless newer version can actually solve my problem I don't really care about updating. override alpha does nothing, I've been clicking everything alpha, different channels, changing blending mode etc...and I don't want either alpha masks to override the other, I want both to be able to work in tandem

[somber sequoia]

Because the Poi package includes multiple versions - look at the top of the material, you can choose the current version, it's probably got one in "Old" selected

[sharp timber]

So uhh

I deleted some stuff, reduced size of something

Still 10.28mb

[somber sequoia]

do another build, it doesn't update until then

[sharp timber]

I did

That's why I'm so confused 😭

The size legit will NOT go down

Or up

Like it's softlocked at 10.28 or some bs

[somber sequoia]

it's possible the thing you deleted is still there, in use somewhere else

[sharp timber]

I mean I deleted it off the like little top left menu with everything

Which I think is what I'm supposed to do

Can I maybe like. Make it so I can upload the ever so slightly over the limit avi? 😭

Bc ik on quest you can raise your download size

[indigo compass]

No

[indigo compass]

You can't

[sharp timber]

I thought you could? Like for avatars

Maybe I'm just remembering wrong

[indigo compass]

You might be thinking of the 10MB download size and the 40MB uncompressed size

[sharp timber]

Maybe?

I just know that this extra .28mb is gonna be the death of me 😭🙏

[indigo compass]

Any materials (and therefore textures) included in an animation that exists in your animator will still be included even if it can never run.

Also, restart Unity and try publishing again

[sharp timber]

Where do I find animator?

[sharp timber]

Also ok I'll try that after this thing autofixes something I messed up lol

[indigo compass]

You haven't shown the avatar, but unless it is a "feature rich" pre-made avatar then you not knowing where it is means it is unlikely looking there will help.

[sharp timber]

Ah ok

I mean it's a novabeast with maybe 5 toggles + gogoloco?

So I don't think it's too crazy

[indigo compass]

5 toggles can mean anything, is it full on clothing or accessories?

[sharp timber]

Clothes yea

[indigo compass]

Well, that will certainly take up space

[sharp timber]

I mean, I've tried making it so quest players just couldn't see some clothes by up and deleting em from the avi

Same size

[indigo compass]

Imo, you should go through all the textures and set Android (and IOS if you want to) overrides for the texture settings, ASTC 8x8 is a good choice.

[indigo compass]

And you immediately tried uploading afterwards?

Do you only have that single avatar visible (active) in the scene when you are uploading?

[sharp timber]

Yea

Also I think I just bricked something, it's still autofixing something and I can't close unity

Umm

[olive furnace]

Hello (again) all. Quick question for anyone who might have seen this before.

I'm trying to learn about Key shapes and such right now, so I have made one that essentially pushes the chest of a test asset inward like so. (First picture is default state, second is with shape key set to 1 in blender.)

However, when I import it to unity, the asset has the chest area pushed in (as in the second picture) like the Key shape is active by default even though I'm exporting the FBX with the key shape responsible set to 0. The blendshape slider in unity also doesn't seem to adjust the shape as intended either and sort of just... moves the lighting a bit. Am I missing something silly?

[timber wharf]

make sure you dont have any modifiers other than armature

cause those will remove yoyr blendshapes on export

[olive furnace]

Good to know! Though, at least for now it looks like there isn't any on there so I've done that part right at least, if not accidentally.

[timber wharf]

ah, fair, theyd be gone overall on export otherwise, not nonfunction sliders. idk then, never seen it work in blender and nothng in unity

are you sure your shapekey value is 0 to 1 in blender and not 100?

[olive furnace]

Just did a quick double check and yeah it looks like it's a scale of 0-1 on the key shape. And no worries, it really does seem like a weird one. I appreciate the advice anyway, I've written it down for future reference - always good to know more stuff!

[sharp timber]

Ok so me and my friends have come to a conclusion

It's the sdk messing up

Because I've done everything I can, nothing changes

Is there anything I can do abt the sdk being stupid? 😭

[grave ruin]

Is there any way of fixing write defaults prior to vrcfurys prompt to auto fix it? I have an avatar that had them all enabled and added vrcfury later on so it's part animations and part vrcfury toggles

I mean it works with auto fix but doesn't feel right

when i attempt to toggle all of them off by default avatar manager 3.0 warns me that might cuz issues

[timber wharf]

well, if you dont want to rely on vrcf, then you cant just toggle it off without editing your animation clips

https://vrc.school/docs/Unity-Animations/Write-Defaults/

[grave ruin]

it stopped doing it after my first upload

[trim edge]

Hello! Currently having some issues when i go into play mode and my avatar wants to get on her knees 🙄 ive tried to reimport gesture manager and gogo to see if either of those were the issues but nothing fixed it, not really sure what to do now.

[somber sequoia]

Show your avatar descriptor with the playable layers open and the Animator component visible in the same inspector window

Also are you using Gesture Manager or AV3 Emulator?

[trim edge]

i believe i have both imported into my project but it happens when i click into gesture manager in play mode.

[somber sequoia]

oh, fury.

was that image captured while in play mode?

[cunning token]

fairly new to avatar creation

i dont know what the problem is just that i have one ;-;

[trim edge]

yes it was

[somber sequoia]

Can you capture that not in play mode?

[somber sequoia]

Can you tell us what we're looking for here?

[trim edge]

i dont have it customized

[cunning token]

the hands aren't working properly

sorry, probably shouldve started with that ;-;

[grave ruin]

nooooooooooooo why are the toggles not saved using vrcfury?! they do not stay when hopping worlds. why??

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - it really helps a LOT if you tell us what to look for, since we don't know what your avatar is supposed to look like unless you tell us.

[trim edge]

options in top right, make sure to click "save between worlds"

[grave ruin]

ok..

[somber sequoia]

"saved" checkbox in the avatar parameters list. no idea how that works with fury.

oh I guess like that, neat.

[grave ruin]

should be default not gonna lie

[somber sequoia]

ok nothing obviously weird here. I dunno further, I don't generally do much with fury.

[cunning token]

i sent a video attatchment

it's meant to just be human hands, but it gets all messed up with like any gesture like shown on the video

[trim edge]

oh alright ill keep messing around and if i cant figure it out ill ask again later and see if someone else knows. thank you

[somber sequoia]

Yes but again, without you telling us what to look for, this can be hard to figure out.
Anyway, I get what you're referring to now.

[somber sequoia]

there's a vrcfury discord too

[trim edge]

oh??

[cunning token]

thanks! they're meant to look like this..

any way i can fix it? ;-;

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what the problem is, so don't know a fix.

[grave ruin]

where does it say that. in the dropdown is no save between worlds

ah i pressed the wrong options

its the options button not the 3 dots

[trim edge]

haha yeah the options menu, that shouldddd fix it, always does the trick for me

[trim edge]

so its happening even when i toggle off vrcf in play mode so thats not the issue, was told it might be something in the controller whatever that means haha

[brittle condor]

Currently out of the house so I can’t get screenshots

I have successfully ported my mmd model to VRchat and for the most part she works fine. But I had a question about bones.

The bones of the skirt are connected to the “lower spine” bone rather than the hip bone, which is the parent bone of the upper legs. While I’m pretty sure it’s most likely due to a lack of physics on the dress, the skirt ends up in bizarre positions when I sit and crouch. Should I change the parent of the skirt bones to the hips?

[somber sequoia]

skirts are kinda tricky, but that doesn't seem a bad thing to try

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I still don't know what might cause that without being actually inspecting the project, sorry

[trim edge]

all good, thank you

[charred glade]

how do i stop tiling on my png avatar

[trim edge]

ok so i see you're pretty active here, i finally figured it out. i just reimported av3emulator. just lettin you know incase anyone ever has this issue in the future 🙂

[dire dagger]

Does anyone know how to fix the lashes on her..

[trim edge]

try multiplicative? or just mess around with the options, it starts out on opaque

personally i had to invert the texture on a separate app and reimport but yours looks like it might be fine if you just mess with the options

[dire dagger]

But uhh..problem..

It’s for quest..

[trim edge]

😬

[dire dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

[trim edge]

aaaand thats where my knowledge goes pffhsfgfgh

[somber sequoia]

.... I hate silly things like that.

[modest ferry]

i got the problem fixed from earlier, im lwk js kinda stupid. Anyways, New problem! when i change into my avi im outside of the map when my avi is where its suppose to be? i really dont know how to explain this- (im the white shirt avi)

[trim edge]

yeah unfortunately i have to continuously reimport but at least it fixes it. we'll have to see once it gets into vrc

[mystic sable]

is there a tool that can set your face gestures to not overlap instead of having to do it manually in fx

[somber sequoia]

oh that's very weird

seems like something very broken in your project

[trim edge]

yeahhh 😅

[elfin gull]

Hey guys I wanna get back to making avatars , does someone can tell me whats the requirements , I use to use sum downgrade kind of unity version...even modded i think to upload crazy animations..idnw its been a while

Dm me if youre willing to help

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/sdk/ is a good place to start

you want Unity 2022.3.22f1

Optional according to Unity is not the same as optional for VRChat.

(that's a Unity window, not a VRChat-created one)

[trim edge]

yoohoo, i have a pair of pants i want to use for my avatar however they are not rigged to the specific model. is there a video anyone knows about on how to rig it to a different model? i tried to google but it just came up with how to make clothing. im not trying to make anything, just edit it sorta

[somber sequoia]

amusingly I'm literally doing this right now

What I do is first reshape the mesh to fit. Then rename all the vertex groups in the new mesh to match the bone names in the avatar's armature, repoint the armature modifier on the new mesh to said armature, then start having fun with weight painting. Sometimes you can use Robust Weight Transfer. Sometimes you spend most of the day weight painting

I'm onto making shape keys now at least

[trim edge]

uhhhhhh yep totally understood all of that haha

[somber sequoia]

want to start at the first part?

[trim edge]

honestly im not sure why i asked right now. probably gonna take a break for the day. thank you for all of your help today!

[somber sequoia]

haha sounds good

[lone hedge]

ive never encountered this issue

(yes ik his textures are fucked)

[somber sequoia]

that image doesn't help, show the list of bones instead

[somber sequoia]

ideally where one can see the full names of the bones

that armature looks really weird though

[lone hedge]

yeah ik because i suck at rigging but the issue with it is that it originally worked in another unity project perfectly fine but when i port it to a different one it screws up saying the bones are "undefined" yet all of them are the same as they were before

dear god it was bc i renamed the armature

[junior acorn]

im new to this server but i dont know how to make avatars 😭 😭 colonsobcolon

[surreal elk]

does anyone know how to fix the tummy Clipping though the shorts? thanks in advanced!

[green kelp]

There's no collision on for the stomach part

[green kelp]

If I had to guess

[somber sequoia]

I'd say probably fix the weight painting related to that belly bone

[timid fiber]

my avatar that i am working on has a few different eye colors that work by shapekeys. while most of them work, one has decided to become the default eyes when it shouldn't be and i can't even make the default eye color show up.
i have tried everything i can think of, from making extra shapekeys just to push the default eyes more forward to checking and double checking the conditions in the animator thingy so i am desperately seeking help

(ping me when responding please)

[junior acorn]

no one's gonna help are they-

[timid fiber]

i found several tutorials that helped me when i was a beginner. if i can track those down, i could dm you them if ya want

i started with like. nothing but blender knowledge i already had from a history of doing model conversions for the sims 4 but those few vrchat avatar tutorials helped me all the way to knowing what to do for most everything Except for whatever's going on right now. bro's eyes have been full of spite for me for like 10 hours

[somber sequoia]

Did you have a specific question?

[raw oak]

having a problem with physbones right now, added about 3 outfits to an avatar i bought, sculpted, weightpainted myself. after importing and linking armature the body physbones stopped affecting the body but were still affecting the clothes, never had this problem before and im not really sure how to fix it.

[somber sequoia]

it's not really clear what you wanted

[junior acorn]

yea i wanna know how to actually make an avatar

but like the simple stuff first

[somber sequoia]

do you have a base model?

[junior acorn]

no toggles or anything

no im actually planning on making a custom rig

[somber sequoia]

if so you can start here: #avatar-general message

[junior acorn]

i just need to know how to hook up the bones first

[somber sequoia]

There's an ideal armature diagram pinned in #avatar-rigging

[junior acorn]

am i doing it right-

[timid fiber]

idk if i sound pushy or anything about this but i have been at war with my dude's eye problems for so long

[somber sequoia]

you don't need the hip bones but otherwise it's a good start.

[junior acorn]

now like how do i put it all togther so the rig works right

[somber sequoia]

weight painting might be the next step

[junior acorn]

no like i have the limbs in seperate parts (arms, legs, hands, feet)

not ready for the mesh deformation stuff yet exactly, still a beginner haha

[somber sequoia]

that's ok, just merge them when you export to Unity so it's a single mesh object

[junior acorn]

no idea how to do that 😔

[somber sequoia]

you can join objects by selecting them and then ctrl+j

[junior acorn]

oh i see

do i do them for each individual limb or just the whole piece in general?

[somber sequoia]

if your intent is a vrchat avatar, one mesh object for the whole body would be ideal

but you can keep working separate

[junior acorn]

ok then, what do i do from there (otherwise from merging the parts together which im not doing)

i have the armature set up, so what next

[somber sequoia]

weight paint

[junior acorn]

how do i do that with seperate parts .-.

[somber sequoia]

same way you do it with non-separate parts

except one part at a time

[maiden warren]

How do i fix this from happening on import?

[somber sequoia]

"this"?

the leg deform?

[maiden warren]

yea

[somber sequoia]

You just dragged this into the scene brand new, right? It's not updating an existing avatar?

[maiden warren]

i exported it from blender as an fbx and set the rig to humanoid, but its keeps happening

[somber sequoia]

I wonder if you've got weird bone roll values for those leg bones

[brittle condor]

followup to question I asked earlier.

the pelvis bone is what the skirt bones are parented to. the waist bone is the child of the pelvis bone and parent of the leg bones.

Should I combine the waist and pelvis bones?

[junior acorn]

holy crap how many bones do you have plugged into that one armature

😱

[brittle condor]

a lot.

[somber sequoia]

see the diagram in #avatar-rigging - you should have hips -> spine -> chest -> upper chest (optional) -> neck -> head. Names aren't relevant, but the hierarchy is.
I usually make my skirt bones' parent bone be a child of the hip bone.

[elfin gull]

hey guys anyone havee like a bank of 3d models ? favorite website or ssum

i wanna start from a base model then add things

[maiden warren]

that was it m8 thanks a ton

[somber sequoia]

oh good, I was hoping!

[brittle condor]

okay, so I should make them one bone. thank you!

[left gull]

Jinxxy,Gumroad,Booth and VRCarena are all pretty good sites for finding models and accessory stuffz

[elfin gull]

thanks man

im coming back in making stuff for vrchat after like 4 years so idnw what changed with unity etc

🫠

[left gull]

its alot of the same stuff but easier and thankfully theres tons of docs for stuff now too

[elfin gull]

damn

i saw the app from vrchat, thats cool

[elfin gull]

damn thoses website are full of wackass furrys

bro.

[junior void]

I don't see how that's whack

[elfin gull]

dw you do you , it is for me thats all

i wont start debate look at ur picture my man

[fringe bluff]

I was looking around for some toon shaders for quest, are there any good ones if there are any at all

[junior void]

Lol okay

[elfin gull]

gum and booth cant find them

[somber sequoia]

good 🙂

[lapis nacelle]

how do i fix the sound on my avatar if none of it it working

[somber sequoia]

is it a quest avatar?

[lapis nacelle]

it has a quest version

[somber sequoia]

but which one are you testing in this case?

[lapis nacelle]

the pc version

[somber sequoia]

'cause you can't have audio on quest avatars.

beyond that, show us your setup

[lapis nacelle]

what do you need to see?

[elfin gull]

is it possiblee to load another avatar from a trigger?

like eren to titan form

[lapis nacelle]

it was also working in the last upload i just added something new and now its not working

[somber sequoia]

you could send an OSC command to an external program then send an avatar change command back in, that's about it

[somber sequoia]

then explain what you changed

maybe try to undo that

[lapis nacelle]

just added some new assets nothing that shouldve conflicted

and mad4 the quest version

i dont think thatd mess it up though

[vague shore]

hmmmmm

classic random one-off build errors 🙄

[left gull]

https://gumroad.com/discover and https://booth.pm/en

[left gull]

the top-most red errors are generally the ones that'll tell you the real issue (also hitting the collapse button will get rid of duplicate errors)

[lapis nacelle]

nevermind i fixed it

[vague shore]

tf you mean? it is specified

[somber sequoia]

hierarchy wrong?
sometimes you have to switch it back to generic then back to humanoid

[vague shore]

it was blender doing weird hierarchy fuckery
typical blender

[somber sequoia]

can't say I've ever had that issue

[thick narwhal]

Is anyone else having issues uploading because of sdk?

[lone hedge]

hey! there is this thing that has been going on with unity and vrc. for some reason, the model i am using is very stubby and short, which is no problem i can just adjust the viewpoint weirdly to make sure the torso and the rest of the body doesn’t move with the head, right? well the y value of the avatar seems to work fine, but the z value seems to be fixated on the very back of the head for some reason and no matter how far u set the viewpoint in front of the model, it still never moves and inch. does anybody have a fix for this issue?

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot unity screen how it is?

[grave ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kiXrDjxxLLE?feature=share
so i found this thing for an emote box setup but there is an action layer in the playable layers on the avatar they used it on. Mine does not show an action layer, why is that? (im using Karin)

[ornate stump]

What do you see in place of the action layer? Take a screenshot.

[grave ruin]

sec

oh nvm

its a default action button

so i guess i can just use it?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[grave ruin]

sry had to open up unity to confirm i was sure i never played around with any "action" layers in my project

so you can use custom locomation layers and stuff too?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[grave ruin]

gogo loco is probably the standard to use for locomotion?

ive seen lots of newer avatars have it in the avatar museum and such

i might use that because it lets you position vertically to fix things like high heels even in desktop mode

[ornate stump]

Not standard but commonly used.

[proven quail]

You can edit the gogo action layer, and it has logic set up for adding emotes already. You can just drag your animation in the empty emote boxes and then create menu options using the same VRCEmote value for the toggle.

(the boxes are numbered so very easy)

Another cool thing about gogo is that they have the animation speed set to the parameter go/Float, so if you make the menu options radial sliders and set the float to go/Float, and the toggle param to the VRCEmote number, then you have emotes with sliders to control the speed. It's fun to speed up the dance really fast or slow it down in game

[grave ruin]

ill check that all out soonish in a couple hours thank you

[fierce spear]

how do i stop this from clipping? i cant scale down the hair, and i can't make a collider. its very weird

nvm, figured it out, some of the children dont have physbones. this is problematic but not impossible to fix.

[past jewel]

i have a stupid issue that for some reason when i upload it telling i don't have a thumbnail, despite having one. i tried changing it, capturing a scene and re launch the project it doesn't fix it.

[somber sequoia]

that's reported as a known bug, but they haven't mentioned a solution

[past jewel]

lovely unity...

[junior void]

Upload as new avatar aka yet the ID

Should work

[somber sequoia]

oh cool, I didn't realize that would

[brittle condor]

my avatar is not showing up in the face mirror. i assume it's mostly due to it being very small, but adjusting height does nothing and I have avatars that are smaller and the face mirror works with them

[sand mica]

Hello. Im using physbone and wondering if I can grab and pull dangling physbone's end in vrchat, is it possible to set an invisible gameobject and make it 'always' grab it in certain position... like an anchor?

I want chain/rope to move but cant figure out how can I anchor the end point of it

[craggy widget]

I don't understand why it is doing this in the preview for the animation. how do I fix this?

[nimble zenith]

Looks like somethings wrong with the rig, biker pose is normal but considering their head is backwards something isn't right with it.

[craggy widget]

yeaaa it was the weight painting. bleghg

after like three hours of struggling

[crimson plover]

How does the syncing between the pc and quest version of an avatar work, so far ive heard that all the menu toggles have to be in the same spots, But what about empty folders?

like for a pc only asset, if i make it so it has a folder on quest, but put nothing in it,
but the pc version has Subfolders inside it, will that screw with the syncing

[somber sequoia]

the menu can be 100% different, it's all about the parameter list

which yes, must be in the same order

best to just use the same file

[crimson plover]

Yea heres the thing with that

there is no file

im using vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

ah I think there's a fury way of doing this but I've no idea

[pine valley]

as far as I know, it'll take care of everything for you

[somber sequoia]

ah cool

[crimson plover]

thats the thing, its not lol

thats why im having problems

ive got clothing toggles both using the same vrcfury toggle, and theyre not synced with quest

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's my experience too - works great until it doesn't, at which point you're much better without it

[pine valley]

oh, in that case, the exact menu path starts mattering more

[crimson plover]

ah

ok so knowing that,
if the pc one has multiple subfolders that the quest doesnt, is that going to unsync their toggles

[pine valley]

VRCFury needs to understand which toggles should be matched together on your PC and Quest avatars

[crimson plover]

Yes, and that is what im trying to do

[pine valley]

I would ask about this in their Discord server. I haven't had to do this before. I'd guess you can set both toggles to use a global parameter (and then use the same parameter name in both)

[crimson plover]

OH RIGHT Global parameters!

Alright, Im stupid, Thank you

[inland sparrow]

Hey, I've been making models for use in blender for a while, and just got to porting them for vrc, and I'm running into countless problems, one I want to focus on rn being materials
Basically all of my materials look like this, and I know that unity doesn't recognize blender node trees, so I want to know what would be the most efficient way to turn this into a format unity does recognize without losing in quality and what that format would look like

[pine valley]

it looks like you're just picking between three different sets of textures (with some slight color adjustments)

in that case, an easy solution would be to split the material into three materials

[crimson plover]

Oh wait, vrc takes care of it automatically? i apparently just have to upload my desktop model first

that, makes alot more sense

[inland sparrow]

but when I do how do I preserve all the color ramps, curves and other modifiers that affect the initial images?

[pine valley]

This would depend on the shader you wind up using in VRChat

You may need to just bake these curves into the texture

(so, go in Photoshop/an equivalent program and curve the image)

A custom shader could trivially do that, but it's unlikely that you'll find exactly what you need in an existing shader

[pine valley]

(because this is a custom shader, after all!)

[inland sparrow]

is there a less manual way, I have dozens of materials like that

[pine valley]

if you're currently using a heightmap, you'll want to bake that into a normal map