avatar-help

[upper valve]

did it again

completely fresh unity install with windows&android&ios

fresh 2022 avatar project didn't even click any additional settings

no "there's errors on startup!" from unity so i think i'm in the clear

i try to compile&publish my avatar. and i crash while compiling. again

[desert elk]

any errors in the console?

and what are your avatar's stats?

[upper valve]

okay NOW i'm getting a log error after i reopened unity to try again

this is an avatar i already used on quest before i just fixed his janky fingers

so you want the top of the log right

i'm getting some kind of "all pipe instances are busy"

[wicked meteor]

rn idk if I should wait till ur done explaining ur issue or if I can already send mine cuz ive been having this issue for days and im about to cry

[desert elk]

just expalain it

[wicked meteor]

I keep getting this for no reason w some avatar projects and others seem fine. Ive reinstalled unity and the cc. My c drive has 1tb and my other one has 3tb left what else can I try to fix this? im getting so annoyed at this

ive also reinstalled the avatar files too but im the only one gettung this issue w those avatars

ive also so far made like 10 projects they all do this

[upper valve]

i keep googling and other people have had this issue and it always goes unanswered 💔

[wicked meteor]

and again some avis upload fine while others just do not and it fucks up. A avi using the exact same stuff uploads fine but this one does that every single time

[upper valve]

oh okay current known issue

[ornate stump]

This usually means the package file you're trying to import is corrupted.

[wicked meteor]

ive reinstalled the avis files from their shop like 5 times now and it does it each time but for everyone else it uploads fine wtf

[cinder frost]

So I think I know the answer, but is there any way to make audio link react to an audio source on your own avatar?

I want to make my avatar have a piece of music built in but have part of the avatar animate to the beat of the music

[upper valve]

my hands are WORSE i can't believe it

can i get an example avatar to look at the hand rig i need to figure out what the deal is with my local axises because they looked PERFECTLY FINE in blender

[arctic ginkgo]

no, but you can animate something yourself

[cinder frost]

Yeah figured

[arctic ginkgo]

there's a blender plugin that can turn soundwaves into animation data if you want to use that, then import it into unity

[cinder frost]

Just wanted to avoid having to keyframe to the beat of music

[cinder frost]

Ooh that sounds much better

[arctic ginkgo]

you can probably only use that for transforms or blendshapes though

[cinder frost]

Transform is fine

I wanted to have a ring around something that expands or contracts depending on the volume of the music

[arctic ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFWN3x84NcU

[cinder frost]

Do you know if this sort of plugin exists for Maya? I don’t do much animation in blender and am much more proficient in animating in Maya

[upper valve]

like is there a way to export the sample robot to FBX

[arctic ginkgo]

oh I'm not sure, I only use blender 😅

[cinder frost]

Gotcha, may as well try and learn blender animation lol

I used to use Maya for modeling stuff but now I do all of that in blender, animation is the only thing keeping me tied to Maya lol

[upper valve]

i was thinking "maybe my fbx export settings are wrong" but i export it with the correct settings and now it's saying my shapekeys don't have smoothing groups :D

ok no wait look at this

my fbx in blender vs what shows up in unity

why did unity screw up my fingers

what's weird is the axis on that pinkie looks correct in the t pose screen

[wide canyon]

Having a weird issue with my avatar. I added two Springjoint balls but I'm having an issue where sometimes they show up on the avatar and sometimes they don't. It seems to be completely random. Like, I just uploaded my avatar and only the black hole was showing. I uploaded it again and only the star was showing. Idk what's going on.

[lost umbra]

how do you make a double sided material for quest? I seen avali with their bottom portion of the wings not invisible for the quest version.

usually with the basic quest shader, the bottom portion of the wing or inside the clothings become invisible

[agile niche]

I am pretty sure Quest doesn’t support Two-Sides stuff, same with Transparency. I tried to do it an avatar of L. Corp Angela as well but couldn’t due to the Quest restrictions.

[lost umbra]

I seen few quest avi with it so it's possible

we just doing it wrong somehow

hence why I asked

[agile niche]

True, may also be that they are using a modded sdk.

Just an idea though.

[lost umbra]

anyone else who knows how they maybe doing it?

[balmy barn]

new quest shader have backface culling option

[agile niche]

If I had to think, it could be a separate Inner Shirt model.

[agile niche]

It does, which Shader?

[somber meadow]

the new "Toon Standard" that's in the updated SDK

[agile niche]

Ah, tbh, there is way too many Shaders now lol. I can’t keep track.

Especially for PC.

[balmy barn]

no cutout tho

[somber meadow]

oh wow there's even an outline shader?

haven't touched Quest stuff in a while, but this is pretty good

[lost umbra]

I dont see the option

which version is it?

[frosty glen]

Looking for someone to make an avatar. if anyone available can dm me me with details in regards to their development, it would be greatly appreciated

[somber meadow]

VRChat/Mobile/Toon Standard, if you don't have that shader update your SDK to the latest in VCC

[balmy barn]

sdk 3.8.1

[lost umbra]

dont have theat

only toon lit

[somber meadow]

if you don't have that shader update your SDK to the latest in VCC

[balmy barn]

also have this thing

[toxic dagger]

Is anyone in here familiar with the VR Rotation Constraint? I'm trying to lock my entire avatar's rotation to play an animation without it wiggling around with my tracking.

[somber meadow]

you don't need a rotation constraint, just use the VRC Tracking Control state behavior.
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[somber sequoia]

Good way to get scammers DMing you around here. Instead go to the VRC Traders discord. Link is in #1204490664637890580

[frosty glen]

thank you

[toxic dagger]

Is it enable/disable hip tracking? :O

[somber meadow]

hip is an option in it, yes

[frosty glen]

last thing i would need is a wasted investment

[toxic dagger]

My intended steps are:
1- Turn in the direction I want to lock into by turning my body in physical space
2- Toggle the parameter to initiate the rotation constraint
3-Avatar now faces that direction only
4-Toggle the parameter to deactivate the rotation constraint
5-The avatar can now rotate to match my body rotation in physical space

Would I only need to lock tracking on the hip?

[lost umbra]

I updated it to new version and still not have the option

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand the goal here, but animator tracking control lets you disable IK (i.e. your body tracking) from moving the avatar so you can animate it.

[toxic dagger]

Here is a description of the intent, when still trying to use Rotation Constraints

Hi there guys, I'm trying to lock the direction my avatar is facing using a rotation constraint:

Intended steps:
1- Turn in the direction I want to lock into by turning my body in physical space
2- Toggle the parameter to initiate the rotation constraint
3-Avatar now faces that direction only
4-Toggle the parameter to deactivate the rotation constraint
5-The avatar can now rotate to match my body rotation in physical space

I'm able to animate the rotation constraint to lock my armature's rotation, but it always faces "virtual north" (does not face the direction I am looking). The parameters I'm animating are...

On lock request:
IsActive = true
Lock = true
Freeze Rotation Axes: x = true, y = true, z = true
Freeze to World = True

On unlock request:
IsActive = true
Lock = false
Freeze Rotation Axes: x = false, y = false, z = false
Freeze to World = false

I haven't specified a source, but I don't know how to specify "the world" as my reference, if thats even what I have to do. The rotation constraint is attached to my armature.

What parameters do I need to set in the animation to start and the animation to stop my avatar's rotation?

[lost umbra]

nvm got it to work

[somber sequoia]

no I mean, I don't get what you're actually trying to do here

[dark jay]

oof

what should i do

[somber sequoia]

use fewer textures

[dark jay]

trying to get all the game colors on it

[somber sequoia]

use hue shifting if you just want to change color

[dark jay]

its done by textures its a guilty gear model

[somber sequoia]

no idea what that means, but the answer is still "use fewer textures" if you want that size to be smaller.

[dark jay]

u havent heard of the game guilty gear

[toxic dagger]

I want my avatar to face a wall, click lock, and then continue facing the direction of that wall even if I rotate my physical body. Then click unlock and have my avatar face the direction I am actually facing.

[somber meadow]

things don't have to all be toggles

[dark jay]

ive seen models on vrchat of the same character with all the colors

[somber sequoia]

nope

[toxic dagger]

Oh oops, maybe you were talking to someone else. Sorry for the confusion aaah

[somber meadow]

also you're using a really bad compression algorithm for all of those textures even compared to BC7

[dark jay]

rgba32?

[somber sequoia]

okay, I get it now. Where are you getting the reference for the wall? World drop or something?

[dark jay]

i hit bc7 but it doesnt do anything

[dark jay]

it didnt seem to work can i have help

[toxic dagger]

That's the part I think I don't understand. How do I specify to lock with respect to world coordinates? I'm definitely locking rotation, but it's not to the direction I am facing when I click it right now.

[dark jay]

what compression algorithm should i use then

[somber sequoia]

You could drop a prefab and then use that as the source for a rotation constraint

[toxic dagger]

Just to make sure I'm being clear, the wall was just an example. I don't actually want to do constrain to target. I'm trying to constrain to world.

[somber sequoia]

oh

so is it a specific direction?

[toxic dagger]

Yes, the direction should be "current direction the armature is facing". So maybe "head" direction?

[timber wharf]

@toxic dagger if its an humanoid animation, it should use proper rotation afaik

[somber sequoia]

ok so then start over - you simply want to lock your avatar so it doesn't rotate?

[timber wharf]

if its world spawn prop with world constraints it should be constrsined to hip bone and not the root

in order to spawn in front in fbt etc

[toxic dagger]

The whole gimmick is, I get punched, and play a falling animation. To minimize my body spinning around on the floor as a result of active tracking, keep the orientation (not position) of my body stationary on the floor until I disable the animation, at which point I stand upright and am facing correctly with tracking.

[warm basin]

Anyone knows why my avatar could be doing this when imported from blender to unity, weightpainting and posing works fine in blender

[lost umbra]

he a little sleepy it's alright

[upper valve]

whats wrong with my local axises 💔

[toxic dagger]

Right now, I get punched and I violently rotate away from the punch, and then the animation plays. Which is wrong.

[somber sequoia]

there's a whole punchable system you could get to do this, if you want

[warm basin]

lmao

[toxic dagger]

I don't, I just want to lock my animation

[warm basin]

I tried adjusting bone locations but can't figure it out

[somber sequoia]

but in that case I'd simply lock the hips until you want to release it.

[toxic dagger]

Lock hip tracking

[somber meadow]

Have you already tried Pose > Reset in the inspector (visible when you scroll down)

[toxic dagger]

Ok I will give that a shot!

[warm basin]

It says "character not in T pose" but works i guess

[lost umbra]

with the new shader, I can make him BLACKER! YES

[somber meadow]

you can enforce T-Pose from the same pose menu

[lost umbra]

before

wasnt quite black enough for his name Mono

[warm basin]

thank you that fixed the issue

[balmy plover]

stupid question but its been a minute since ive done this: im uploading an avi for my friend. it came with 2 seperate unity files, one for pc and one for quest. i just uploaded the pc one, how do i make the quest one (completely seperate project file) attached to the pc one so its one cross compat avi and not 2 seperate one quest one pc avi's?

[desert elk]

attach the same blueprint id

like this
#avatar-help message

[balmy plover]

bet ill check it out, thanks!

[dark jay]

Whats the best compression algorithm should i be using

[somber meadow]

https://www.poiyomi.com/blog/2022-10-17-texture-optimization

[somber sequoia]

ooh that's better than the one I was going to link

[dark jay]

Im not using poiyomi on this

[somber meadow]

it's just a blog post about texture settings

[misty ridge]

ok so some world lighting effect or smth is able to maek my avi go from looking flat to looking like this, how do i replicate this effect?

[dark jay]

Ah ok

[pine valley]

that looks like ambient occlusion to me

although it's covering your entire face

[dark jay]

I'm using png unless i should use another format for a pc only model

[pine valley]

the format on-disk is not relevant here

you could use a jpeg, a png, an uncompressed bitmap, etc.

[somber sequoia]

(you still probably want png)

[pine valley]

(well, a jpeg would have some quality loss baked in)

the linked article talks about the texture importer settings

this determines the format that Unity actually stores the texture in

[dark jay]

Ok

Imma try bc7 fast compression

[limpid cargo]

do you have japanese IME keyboard installed at pc?

[lost umbra]

How do you set hand gesture triggers? I have a knife that I want to change animation for. Every time I open my hand, it flips the knife between forward grip and icepick grip. A fast method to flip the knife between motion.

[desert elk]

use the gesture parameters

i think

[somber sequoia]

trigger based on GestureLeft and GestureRight:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#built-in-parameters

[lost umbra]

I'm updating my Mono, the modern Ninja avatar with more robust but intuitive weapon system

I got fbt so I'mma optimize it for that

[lost umbra]

is it togglable? like ever time I open my hand, it simply switch between the two animation

[somber sequoia]

? This is just the parameter VRChat sets when you make gestures, how you use it is up to you

so I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.

[lost umbra]

I want to keep it simple, Everytime I fully open my hand, it switches grip

cause I need a fast hand gesture that I can pull during a swing

[somber sequoia]

ok so do a thing when GestureRight (or left) is 2

[pine valley]

To keep it from getting out of sync, I would use a parameter driver to set a synced "Flipped" parameter to true/false

Each time GestureRight equals 2, you transition to one of two states (depending on whether it's currently flipped)

this layer would have no animations; its only job would be to toggle that parameter back and forth

this would also make it easy to flip it from a menu

[somber sequoia]

sounds great

[pine valley]

make sure that the parameter drivers have "Local Only" checked

you don't want remote users trying to change the parameter

it'll get wonky

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#avatar-parameter-driver

Parameter drivers let you change a parameter when you enter an animator state

super useful for building complex systems

[somber sequoia]

Parameter drivers are great

[pine valley]

i use them for things like presets quite a bit

[somber sequoia]

Yep, I do that too

[pine valley]

plus lots of local-only "detector" layers that set synced parameters

[somber sequoia]

and some fun random things like furry ear twitching

[lost umbra]

is there a way to add contact to the blade so when I stab something, it will stabs with particle effects?

[somber sequoia]

Sure, contact receiver

probably just use the default collision tag Torso

[desert elk]

is there an animation activated that changes the blendshape?

most likely that

or it's on by default

[lost umbra]

theres a torso collider?

I have seen hands arms, head, legs, but not torsos

nvm, im just blind lol

[versed silo]

Hey, I don't know where to ask this but I've seen avatars where they have action menu icons right in the middle of the menu, I'm trying to find a screenshot for reference but if anybody knows what I'm talking about, I'd like to know how to do that in Unity

[pine valley]

one trick is to add a large vertical space to the label for a menu item

[versed silo]

ohhh so it's gonna push the icon so it doesn't overlap?

[pine valley]

i dunno about images -- i'm thinking of an asset that has a piece of text in the center of the action menu

[versed silo]

ohh ok

[toxic dagger]

I just wanted to follow up on this. I attempted to use the "VRC Animator Tracking Control" to lock my head and hip tracking when this animation plays. It does not actually prevent rotation of my avatar after these settings (shown in the attached image) are specified.

After the animation plays, turning my body causes the avatar to rotate on the floor.

Is there something I'm doing wrong or should I go back to attempting to use the VRC Rotation Constraint to lock my avatar from rotating after the animation play? (See original message regarding using VRC Rotation Constraints: #avatar-help message)

[halcyon wolf]

Where would I see this on unity because I’ve tried fixing it but still nothing

[somber sequoia]

you didn't put this in the FX animator, did you?

'cause that's not where you do full-body animations.

[kindred nacelle]

Hello! I just literally today got into avatar creation as I'm trying to make something of my own. I'm currently trying to figure out how to delete the feathers on the Rexuium avatar, but I cannot seem to figure out how to do that. I'm on unity. I've been at this for over an hour looking at the different tabs and options.

[somber sequoia]

Blender

[kindred nacelle]

Ohhhhh..

[toxic dagger]

Oh hang on, you're right. This is on the FX Layer, one sec while I move it over to the Action layer

[kindred nacelle]

Alright, thank you!

[somber sequoia]

Unless there's an actual object you can delete.... probably you'll have to re-model it. (I don't know the model)

[toxic dagger]

No, that still didn't have a favorable outcome. Moving it to the Action Layer creates no change.

Is there something I'm doing wrong with these settings? This is the correct added behavior right?

[kindred nacelle]

Well, there were many different opotions. I would pull one up and it would spawn a whole new model inside of unity and when I deleted the feathers on the one that did have that option it didn't carry over

They are like different rigs

[somber sequoia]

uh... not really sure what you're referring to

[somber sequoia]

read up on how the action layer should work, especially the bit about masking and using Playable Layer Control:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers#action

[kindred nacelle]

Some of them have tail meshes

Not meshes, but options

[somber sequoia]

oh well there are feathers! Though you'd need to unpack the avatar to mess with those... I still say "blender" is the right answer.

[kindred nacelle]

If I was to get rid of the feathers in blender, I would just be able to import the "default setup" thats highlighted in blue back into here?

[somber sequoia]

you could probably just overwrite the .fbx file, yep.

[toxic dagger]

Yep this is definitely the right layer then according to both you and the documentation. So maybe the behavior is the wrong behavior to specify for this animation? Were you sure this is the right behavior to prevent rotation tracking?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not actually working with your project or following along very closely, so.. probably? But you still should use masks and blend that layer up from 0 weight. I'm sure there are tutorials for this, I learned it somewhere but can't remember where

[toxic dagger]

I think it might be best to review the VRC rotation constraint approach again then, because the issue does not seem to be rooted in blending. Especially since I am able to trigger the locking of rotation using it, I just can't specify the direction in which the rotation lock happens.

If there is anyone out there who is pretty familiar with the VRC Rotation Constraint, could you reach out to me? I'm just trying to stop my avatar from rotating around on the ground like a break dancer when it should be sitting still and facing one direction XD

[arctic ginkgo]

Use animator locomotion control

this stops you from moving entirely

if you just want to stop rotation though, try using an aim constraint targeting an empty that's in front of your avatar and parented to your armature with a parent constraint.

Normal locomotion should disable "freeze to world" on the parent constraint and disable the aim constraint.

For freezing the rotation, on the first frame, enable "freeze to world", then on the second frame enable the aim constraint.

[toxic dagger]

I'm gonna investigate this, thanks!

[young osprey]

what is going on with VRC SDK it will not let me upload any avatars at all or even change any thing on it or even get the blueprint ID for my avatars that i want to update

[somber sequoia]

did you try logging out and in again?

[young osprey]

yes

[somber sequoia]

k, had to ask 🙂

[arctic ginkgo]

aim constraints can be used as better rotation constraints if you use the "world up type" feature correctly

[young osprey]

at least 5 times

[halcyon wolf]

Blendshapes Help

Hello, I need a little help with the blendshapes on my avatar (Specifically Milltina model) every time I test the avatar with new clothing I’ve added in unity my upper half strinks which is not what I want is there away to fix this?

Any help is appreciated

[frozen sparrow]

How do you upload a duplicate of you avatar?
I thought you just added a new pipeline, but it keep uploading over my original

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to provide some more detail here

[young osprey]

so what is wrong with VRC SDK as i am not the only one having this issue

[somber sequoia]

detach the blueprint ID and it'll make a new one

[somber sequoia]

I don't work for VRChat so have no idea if anything is wrong with the servers

[arctic ginkgo]

don't add a new pipeline, just clear the blueprint ID

[young osprey]

it is working now after leaving it for a good 5 mins

[formal sparrow]

See the top material light thing, like the materials look right. But on the bottom things there’s no like normals or any texture at all it’s just shiny and black

[frozen sparrow]

..i always leave that blank... So i tried to add something and it still uploaded over

[somber sequoia]

did you add the normal textures into your material?

[pine valley]

it should not be blank if you've already uploaded the avatar

[frozen sparrow]

detaching the blueprint ID still uploads over the original

[pine valley]

are you looking at the correct object?

[formal sparrow]

yes, like i said before you can see them working on the top object but not on the bottom ones

[somber sequoia]

looks like the creator made blendshapes to shrink the body when clothing is on. You probably would have to edit those or perhaps make different ones if you want them to work with different clothing.

[frozen sparrow]

I duplicated the avatar, then uploaded one. Maked changes to the second and tried to upload

[somber sequoia]

Is this the same material though? Or different and you have one set right and the other not?

[formal sparrow]

its the same material

[somber sequoia]

I do not know how this is possible

[pine valley]

I'd close the control panel and reopen it. Make sure that it's seeing two different avatars.

[halcyon wolf]

i see... okay i'll figure something out then thanks for the response

[frozen sparrow]

How do i make sure its seeing different ones?

[pine valley]

There should be a dropdown control that lets you pick which avatar you're trying to upload

[frozen sparrow]

Oh yes, its showing different one

[lilac flare]

Hey so i have an issue with vrc sdk when i creat a project then the first time i launch the project the sdk works just fine but when i wanna reopen the project again the sdk brakes meaning i see the VRChat sdk in the top but in the drop down menue there is only the option to reload sdk so meaning i cant open the controlpanel to upload anything. The things i have tried to fix it is reinstalling companion/sdk update everything sdk packages etc. tried diffrent versions of unity i have been uploading avis and worlds for quite a while but this is the first time i have had this happening

[pine valley]

Do you see any errors in the console?

[upper valve]

ohhh my god please help me

heres the finger rotations i spent hours fixing even more

[frozen sparrow]

nope

[upper valve]

this is what unity thinks its supposed to look like

[upper valve]

what settings do i need to export fbxs from blender without it screwing up my armature

[somber sequoia]

always show the first 2-3 errors, at the top of the console. But yes, this is why the SDK control panel is not loading.

[somber sequoia]

Unfortunately, the ones that were used the last time. A good guess is to set "Apply scalings" to "FBX All" and uncheck the option about leaf bones under "Armature" unless you actually require them.

[upper valve]

i always uncheck leafbones all my homies hate leafbones

[frozen sparrow]

restarted and now im getting "avatar validation failed"

[upper valve]

are you sure none of these first three need to be changed!?!?!

[pine valley]

i've never messed with those axis settings

[upper valve]

cuz ive already tried fbx all

[formal sparrow]

@somber sequoia do you have any idea why my materrials are doing this 😭

[somber sequoia]

please don't ping me directly for new questions

[formal sparrow]

its not a new question 🥀

[somber sequoia]

oh then reply, I have no idea which message you mean

[formal sparrow]

bruh

[formal sparrow]

this

u just stopped responding lol

[somber sequoia]

it's a busy channel and I'm trying to model something

yeah because I don't have answers or don't have enough information to continue

or like, other life happened?

[formal sparrow]

omg bro literally just tell me what to show u 😭

i get that but yk u were talking to other people im not tryna start smth yk

[somber sequoia]

give me a link to a message then, I have no idea where it is in the scrollback

[formal sparrow]

to what message?

like the original question or

[upper valve]

still ba dwith fbx all

[pine valley]

while configuring the humanoid avatar, there's an option at the bottom -- Pose > Reset

have you done that yet?

[lilac flare]

u got an idea how i can fix it 🤞

[pine valley]

You appear to have two copies of the gesture manager in your project

You may have a turducken scenario here

where you've accidentally copied the entire project into itself

[somber sequoia]

try upgrading dependencies, GestureManager often causes issues if it's out of date

ohh - that's it, remove one

[pine valley]

You have a folder called "Dave" in your Assets. That contains a folder called "Packages".

Does that have a bunch of folders in it?

[upper valve]

i could but then it puts him back in his A pose

and i dont know how to get exact mirrored poses in unity

theres no little thing with number values telling me how much im rotating

[pine valley]

You can just enforce a t-pose and see what you get

Or does that give you the weird fingers?

I see

[upper valve]

that was the original enforced t pose the screwed up hands

[pine valley]

Your fingers appear to be rolled weirdly

[upper valve]

and the inexplicably screwed up axise son the finger bones

i know! like it rotates them all 45 degrees

well not the fingers but the bones

so the fingers will always be screwed up

bc they screw up the bones

[pine valley]

but the rolls here look reasonable

[upper valve]

YES

it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to get that in unity

it REFUSES to show me that in unity

[pine valley]

I wonder if it's getting confused by the splaying of the hand

but that doesn't involve rolling the fingers at all

[upper valve]

no no no

that was me showing a splayed hand in blender

how its SUPPOSED to look splayed

[pine valley]

ah -- what does the rest pose look like?

reset all positions/rotations/scales for the pose bones

[upper valve]

this skeleton is from GTA IV which is basically 1:1 with the unaltered old industry standard autodesk biped

[pine valley]

Oh, I wonder if it's because of the roll on the hand bone

or, moreso, the roll on the arm bones

this is baseless speculation though

i guess i'd try rolling the arm bones so that the rolls are consistent all the way down to the hand

[somber sequoia]

roll ought to be 0 in most cases though

[upper valve]

they FEEL pretty consistent all the way down though

[pine valley]

the arm bones are all over the place

notice how my arm bones have the same roll all the way down

[proud wolf]

Hey there, anyone willing to help, I'm wondering what type of potential conflicts or issues I might have adding Dread scripts (https://vpm.dreadscripts.com/) to my unity projects.

Alot of their addons seem useful, but is there any knowledge that they are problematic with other addons or similar?

[upper valve]

well that foretwist isnt even being ued right now and its parented to the one above

[pine valley]

Oh, that's part of a twist bone

Check that unity has found the correct bones

[pine valley]

I noticed that the fingers are gray here -- aren't they supposed to be yellow (or green?)

[upper valve]

well no thats fduring the muscle testing

not on the t pose screen

[pine valley]

Ah, okay

[upper valve]

sorry im running bakc to back all the way across the house bc i have to use unity on my gaming pc which is literally only comfortable for gaming and not actual working

[stiff brook]

how do i make/morph clothes for my model?

[upper valve]

if you have donor clothes from a donor model you can start by using pose transforms to get it mostly right

lining up the most important things like elbows and shoulders and mroe or less the correct spine bones

[desert elk]

you could use blender's sculpting. That's what I do, after I size it up the best it can be

[upper valve]

and then apply the armature, start using proportional editing

[desert elk]

i sculpt it to fit better

[upper valve]

and remember to use local rotations when doing the arms

the roll on this arm seems correct though... thats the way this A pose is

[desert elk]

The roll is checked in the side menu (when you press N)
is that where you're checking? cause I can't see it on the screenshot

[upper valve]

no when i say correct i mean

thats the way its supposed to bend

[desert elk]

okay, but for VRChat avatars it's preferable to have roll set close to 0 and it could cause issues like the ones you're having
Like Kazin and Fen said before me.

[upper valve]

how would i get these close to 0 then without changing the way that this is supposed to bend

[desert elk]

roll -135 problems guaranteed

what happens when you put it at 0?

first, I'd check if putting it as 0 helps with the problems you had in unity

[upper valve]

bad.

not remotely the way its supposed to bend

[desert elk]

alright. I unfortunately do not have any other advice

[lilac flare]

Oh yeah ofcause haha Thanks! i have been looking at this so much that i couldnt spot it 😂

[upper valve]

well to correct i posed it 45 degrees forward so its equal to 0

but. now i cnat apply the armature

because

you know

shapekeys

[desert elk]

um

applying transforms has nothing to do with shapekeys?

I don't understand how Shapekeys would be a problem

unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do

[desert elk]

ah, apply the armature modifier

i have never applied that in my life

[upper valve]

its very useful

[desert elk]

it just exists, vertex groups exist

and it works

[upper valve]

and like, you gotta

[pine valley]

you can apply the armature to create a new resting pose, yes

[upper valve]

if youre making a new rest pose

[desert elk]

m

i see

I used cats for that, so 🤷

didn't know the official blender way

[upper valve]

yeah i uninstalled cats it'd just screw everything up for me 👎

[desert elk]

depends which one you used

official? very broken, unusable
unofficial? stable, works well, bugs are fixed regularly

[upper valve]

ya this was back in 2020, then 2021, then 2022

[desert elk]

ye

that would be official

it's been abandoned basically

unofficial took over

[upper valve]

also had patrons with crazy characters in their names being credited

which led to bugs

[desert elk]

ye

https://cats.neoneko.xyz/

here's unofficial

in case you're interested

[upper valve]

doubt it supports 2.9

[desert elk]

...

it doesn't

[upper valve]

ya

[desert elk]

why do you use such old blender? 😭

[upper valve]

because selection Felt Different in 3.0+

and now 4.2 i just straight up can barely run

[desert elk]

i use 4.2 and it works 🤷 maybe that's just your specs or something

[upper valve]

freezes for 30 seconds every time i click on an object and im in the materials tab

of course its my specs im on an intel

[desert elk]

i see

[upper valve]

and 16gb ram

[pine valley]

i get a decently long hang the first time it has to render a material

presumably due to shader compilation

[upper valve]

which is not an issue in 2.90 obviously

i also heard they totally screwed up eevee

anyways i dont see how my unusual rest pose has anything to do with my fingers getting screwed up in a way that doesnt even seem to make sense

[desert elk]

it's not the rest pose (the A pose) it's most likely the bone roll, which you refuse to change. That's why I asked you to check the model with bone roll 0 in unity, to see if that fixes the issue.

[upper valve]

ok ill try

wish there was a way to set them to 0 all at once

its not gonna look good regardless though

almost identical results

lol

i solved the not being able to applyt he armature thing because its not like the clothes have shapekeys

soooo

im just going to have to pose this guy until he has no roll

OR

im going to purposeflly screw up the roll on the fingers so it DOES bend correctly

i just have to figure out by How Many Degrees unity has messed up my bone roll

would be helpful if we had the actual animations unity uses for the muscle rig testing

the arm elbow and even the hand seems to have the correct roll this is why its especially infuriating

[spark walrus]

Heya um I need help lol

[somber meadow]

Best to explain your issue for faster responses

[upper valve]

makes no earthly sense to me!

[lost umbra]

Hey @somber sequoia since I talked to you here more than anyone else, mind I ask you something about shaders?

[crystal whale]

Does the toon standard shader work on PC? like will it show up as just an error texture, or can i keep using it for pc and quest?

[somber sequoia]

in #shaders sure, though lots of people know way more than me

[somber sequoia]

any shader works on PC

[crystal whale]

Okay. Update had me scared for a second because it said it wasn't available on pc

[somber sequoia]

I must have completely missed where it said that

[upper valve]

all im asking for is ONE example where the bones are behaving the exact same way in blender & unity

and to see an fbx of it

so i can figure out what i could possibly be doing wrong

ive been trying to fix this for the past 10 hours

i have wasted my entire day on these fingers

[arctic ginkgo]

I'm having a bit of trouble with trying to do some math with parameters, does anyone know if it's possible to divide a parameter by another parameter that is between 0-1?

The issue I'm running into is that division using blendtrees works by animating two animations in a direct blendtree, the one that doesn't do anything will get the weight of the input, but the weight of the other animation is added too, since it relies on normalized blend values

so that means you can only divide by input+1

if you try to account for this by subtracting 1 from the input beforehand, this works, until you get below 1. Then the weight used is negative, which just ends up setting the weight to 0 instead

so trying to divide by a number between 0-1 always provides an output of 1

i'm trying to use ratios to calculate the length of one side of triangle in order to get coordinates where a line intersects with another line (i'm doing this on two axes so i'll get the coordinates for it intersecting with a plane)

basically i'm just trying to project onto a plane

without final IK since this is for quest

[gentle goblet]

I am trying to edit my avatars animations but it doesn't appear when I click the animation tab and I'm so confused >~>

[arctic ginkgo]

it's for a wii-type menu

[barren slate]

Thank you so much! Been super tired recently so my dumb brain forgot about it lol

[gentle goblet]

Like down here my avi isn't appearing >~>

In the animator

[arctic ginkgo]

well you don't have your avatar selected

[gentle goblet]

Well now I do just not in the screenshot

[arctic ginkgo]

is the animation controller in your animator slot in the avatar?

[gentle goblet]

Yep

[arctic ginkgo]

that is not your animator

that is your avatar descriptor

check if it is in your animator's controller slot

[gentle goblet]

I uh don't have an avatar controller

[arctic ginkgo]

?

in your avatar's animator

it says "animator" on it

above the avatar descriptor

[arctic ginkgo]

it's not in the controller slot, so put it in there

[gentle goblet]

~> I don't know how it has been working but it has

The fx?

[arctic ginkgo]

no

i didn't say fx

controller slot

unless you mean the fx controller

then yes

or no

idk

[gentle goblet]

Yeah that's what I ment

[arctic ginkgo]

whatever controller you're trying to edit animations on

if that happens to be the one named fx then yes

[arctic ginkgo]

and you don't need one in there for the avatar to work

just to edit animations

it's how unity knows what animations are on the avatar

[gentle goblet]

So like this OwO

It fixed it

So when I finish the animation do I remove that after?

[thin wolf]

Anyone has faced an Issue with VRCSDK where the "review alerts" part before the upload of an avatar is not showing anything?

[surreal salmon]

i did today and just relaunched the application

[arctic ginkgo]

doesn't really matter

[surreal salmon]

if u lose the sdk i reccomend reimorting everything (the sdks and related files in the vcc

[thin wolf]

Ive releaded it and nothing, hell ive reinstalled the VCC

Might just start from scratch something mightve gotten corrupted at some point

[surreal salmon]

maybe

or export ur scene or something

anyone know how to fix this importing error?

[mighty kestrel]

did you restart unity ?

srry

i’m catching up

[thin wolf]

ive tried i keep getting this error

[mighty kestrel]

don’t answer that

lol

could you show me said error?

[mighty kestrel]

i can’t click that

😋

[thin wolf]

oops

[mighty kestrel]

mobile

[thin wolf]

Could not resolve type with token 010000ff from typeref (expected class 'ImageMagick.Drawing.IDrawablePoint' in assembly 'Magick.NET.Core, Version=14.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=2004825badfa91ec') assembly:Magick.NET.Core, Version=14.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=2004825badfa91ec type:ImageMagick.Drawing.IDrawablePoint member:(null)

keeps shooting this on repeat

[somber sequoia]

huh, ImageMagick, didn't realize that was involved here

[surreal salmon]

did u add anything to ur vcc package recently?

[mighty kestrel]

the imagemagick is what’s breaking it

that’s not VRCSDK related imo

if there is a pen on the avatar

delete it

[thin wolf]

a Pen?

Ah i think i might have an idea

[mighty kestrel]

“ImageMagick.Drawing.IDrawablePoint' in assembly 'Magick.NET.Core,” is the thing it’s detecting/erroring out, so if you added something w that file name, it’s that >w<

[mighty kestrel]

where is the fbx coming from

[surreal salmon]

unity

[mighty kestrel]

well obviously it’s not

bc ur importing it

right?

or am i misunderstanding

[surreal salmon]

from unity to blender

[mighty kestrel]

ohhh sooo i’ve had this issue before

[mighty kestrel]

what vers of blender are you using

and when is the FBX/Avatar made

[main gyro]

does anyone knoa how to fix this issue? it's on all avatar\

[mighty kestrel]

is this FBT?

[surreal salmon]

4.2 and today ig forthe fbx

[somber sequoia]

did you export from Unity with some export tool? Blender doesn't do ASCII FBX files, this will never work. You might be able to convert it with Autodesk's tool, but better, just don't export from Unity.

[main gyro]

yes

[somber sequoia]

Probably there's a model file already in your project - simply import that into Blender as it is.

[mighty kestrel]

wdym today for the FBX, what project is this?

[surreal salmon]

ill try that

[mighty kestrel]

was this a purchased or made avatar

OH

srry

i reread

nvm

[main gyro]

i just brought it lol

[mighty kestrel]

this isn’t a #avatar-help question this is a #full-body-tracking issue if it’s all of your avatars

[somber sequoia]

if it's all avatars, it's not a problem building avatars, and probably you want another channel

[main gyro]

thank you

[surreal salmon]

can u link it i think im mistaken as to what im looking for

[somber sequoia]

link what?

[surreal salmon]

autodesk , never heard of it

[somber sequoia]

oh the autodesk converter? I'd do a search, I've never used it, I just know it existed at some point

[surreal salmon]

oooh

[somber sequoia]

autodesk is the company that makes Maya and owns the FBX format, they have a converter tool

[surreal salmon]

oooh cool

[somber sequoia]

but either way, if you created this FBX file by exporting from Unity, you are doing it wrong

Except in really strange cases, there should already be a model file in your Unity project. Just import that into Blender.

[surreal salmon]

got sent the file in a weird format

[mighty kestrel]

wdym? this makes no sense to me, i want to help but my brain died on that

[somber sequoia]

what?

there are tools to export a model from unity, they suck

[arctic ginkgo]

if anyone can figure this out, that would be great, but for right now I think i'm going to just use an animation with motion time and try to match the function for 1/(frame/cliplength) with the values/curves and use motion time as an input

ofc i can only get so much precision before i get to 0, since you can't divide by it

[mighty kestrel]

you can easily pull an FBX from unity for blender though,..? no? or am i speaking about something else

[somber sequoia]

That is literally what I suggested they do

[mighty kestrel]

srry idk anything abt smooth anims

[mighty kestrel]

what did they do? your not explaining

[surreal salmon]

yes

[arctic ginkgo]

that's not what my issue is, i'm trying to do math inside of an animator. More specifically i'm having an issue with dividing by numbers between 0-1

[somber sequoia]

I'm really not sure what you are asking me

[surreal salmon]

.meta and .asset

[somber sequoia]

ohhh

So you've got a rip

[thorny token]

so i was editing a avatar and after importing it back into unity from blender keep in mind i did not touch the armature at all, i get this error with the left hand layer. in unity i tried to reset the pose and enforce the T pose but it did not help and the hand is still saying that. i have not messed with any of the animations either, literally all i did was sculpt a few meshes reimport the fbx and transferred everything over with pumpkin but somewhere something broke

[somber sequoia]

good luck with that.

[arctic ginkgo]

I'm opting to use an animation as a lookup table for dividing 1 by an input between 0-1 so i can multiply by the output

[surreal salmon]

thats a rip file?

[arctic ginkgo]

since a/x = a(1/x)

[somber sequoia]

almost certainly

[mighty kestrel]

how is ASCII format in play

[surreal salmon]

dang

[arctic ginkgo]

i can just solve for 1/x and then multiply by a

[somber sequoia]

I read the error message in their blender. Did you not?

[mighty kestrel]

still is just not my category of expertise

[mighty kestrel]

okay, i did, you don’t need to be rude bro i’m literally just asking

you have an attitude w every person you interact w

lmfao

[mighty kestrel]

where did you get said file from?

[somber sequoia]

I'm just not clear why you keep asking me questions that don't make sense, wasn't trying to be rude.

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah i'm pushing animators beyonf what they are intended to be used for, but the concept is pretty simple, i'm just comparing ratios of similar triangles to solve for an unknown length

[surreal salmon]

freind sent it to me

[mighty kestrel]

k

[mighty kestrel]

i fear that’s is against TOS and leaking 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

[arctic ginkgo]

that's like elementary/middle school geometry, but it's not as easy to apply it when you're not really supposed to be doing math in animators lol

[mighty kestrel]

so i dunno how to help ya there

[surreal salmon]

well i aint gonna use it

[mighty kestrel]

at that’s sick!! i’m learning something completely dif so

[somber sequoia]

I really try to not do math in animators.

[thorny token]

BUMP

[somber sequoia]

really not clear what the issue is from here. But curious - you use Pumkin's tools, so you didn't have luck just overwriting the .FBX? Or was the avatar unpacked or something?

waaait, I just read that error, at a guess you exported with some settings different from the previous time... or somehow you rotated the avatar in Blender maybe?

So did you do the full humanoid rig setup after re-importing into Unity? You probably have to

[surreal salmon]

unrelated note do yall hink this is a animation error?

normals are good for the models eyes

tho the iris and pupils become see through

or shader?

[somber sequoia]

Is this your ripped avatar?

[surreal salmon]

no

different project

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what you are showing in that video, it jumps around

[thorny token]

yes i did do that

[surreal salmon]

basically eyes on first phrame have a visible iris and 2nd onward dont

like a alpha mappin problem secluded to the iris

[thorny token]

i do not like overwriting the fbx i always have poor luck and i end up lookin like those inflatable tube men LOL

[somber sequoia]

oh I always do, it's easy to setup

[surreal salmon]

asset rip from fortnight they say

[mighty kestrel]

HELP

[somber sequoia]

... what?

[spare gust]

So my models head is still showing clear in unity. I checked the face orientation and it’s all correct but it’s still all messed up

[somber sequoia]

do you have front-face culling on in your shader or something?

[spare gust]

I don’t think so?

Would it be something on poyomi?

[somber sequoia]

Bottom of the shader. It really does look like the face orientation is backwards.

[spare gust]

I’ve had this issue with curves so many times but the orientation is correct

[somber sequoia]

huh

[spare gust]

It’s so weird I’ve had this issue ever time I’ve used curves

[somber sequoia]

I've used curves a bunch but I mostly convert them to mesh before exporting

[spare gust]

Same

There all converted

[somber sequoia]

weird

[spare gust]

OK DID DIGGING so my object was not to full scale causing the normals to export incorrectly

I’ll make sure to pay attention next time

[somber sequoia]

ahhh that'd do it

[spare gust]

Yup XD thank you anyway

[open topaz]

I have an avatar wich nameplate is spawning like a whole avatar above the head anyone know what could be causing this? i googled it and tried a few of the things that i found but i had no succes so far

[arctic ginkgo]

yeahh i wanted to stay away from it but i'm not really sure how else I could do this

and this was the simplest solution i could come up with so far

i've been at it for a while

i'm trying to make a menu that allows you to select with a "laser" (the laser doesn't have to be visible) like the VRC menu itself, or like the Wii menu

I'd prefer it to be quest compatible, so no Final IK

I tried my best with constraints, but I just couldn't figure out how to get the correct spot for the collision, so instead I'm using constraints to do as much of the work as possible, and then using a few different values to calculate X and Y coordinates for the cursor

[somber sequoia]

oh interesting

[arctic ginkgo]

The idea was that if you create a triangle with the angle the "laser" is pointed, you can cut it off at a fixed distance, measure the distance from the plane to the pointer, and measure lengths of the corresponding sides of the triangles, you'd have two similar triangles where the knowns for one match with a known and the X (or Y depending on the angle) coordinate for the cursor

a/b = x/y, solve for x, so y(a/b) = x
since you can't directly divide two parameters, i reformatted it as ya(1/b) = x, but since b is at least sometimes going to be between 0-1, I couldn't figure out how to divide by it

so i'm trying to recreate the function y=1/x in an animation that's setting the value of the output for 1/b, and using b as the input via motion time

b will always be between 0-1 since i'm getting the input from a proximity contact anyways

it's not perfect but it should be close enough

[lost umbra]

The partical effect isn't working and no clue why

if I hit play, it does something but otherwise, it's not on by default

[ornate stump]

You should screenshot the whole screen without cropping. And show the material settings of the particle.

[lost umbra]

I have 4 monitors, kinda hard to do

also, fixed it, looked closer at the settings, found out play on wake was toggled off

[surreal salmon]

before ya freak out ive deleted all the ripped assets

and wont be using em

[lost umbra]

new problem! my grip is reversed and not synced with other players

If I have my knife forwards, other see it was reversed and vice versa

animation isn't sync with what I see and what they see

[drifting coral]

I have an avatar that seems to be to big for my disk so if anyone can upload it for me that would be so awesome! 😭

[left gull]

what model?

cause if its a purchased model file-sharing it would likely break its TOU and get you into some trouble (and if you're asking someone to upload it to your account thats another issue aswell as its not safe + just not allowed)

[mighty kestrel]

unfortunately i just could not give less of a fck
but props to you !

[teal temple]

can anyone help, when I try to use the blendshapes, it looks like this.
I didn't edit the face on blender, but idk what happened.

[runic spade]

struggling to figure out how to reduce material slots

[left gull]

Atlas textures onto a single sheet and merge those seperate materials together

[compact dust]

1 mesh helps

[spark karma]

I have a small avatar that doesn't fit in chairs. I can't find any tutorials for av3 or any documentation regarding changing the sitting animation. I tried utilizing the sitting animation controller, changed the sitting animation to a custom edit that fits in the chair and put that in the sitting special playable layers slot, but that didn't seem to do anything. Any hint that could lead me to changing the sitting animation would help if anyone knows.

[runic spade]

I feel like I've combined about everything I can with my knowledge

[compact dust]

make avi bigger in game using the settings in your radial menu thingy

[spark karma]

It's for a client. I would like the small avatar to be able to sit in the chair in it's small size

[compact dust]

what's the sitting anim and what chair are you testing it on

[spark karma]

I'm so close to being finished, but this last bit has me scouring for help.

[left gull]

i mean if its just that list shown you could merge 3 of those fur slots togther and what's "invisible"? if its just to actually make something entirely invisible you could delete the mesh its used on

[runic spade]

no idea

[left gull]

same with merging both the "body sfw 1"s

[spark karma]

I'm testing in a copy of the default chair prefab. I'm using a modified version of Proxy Sit 1

[runic spade]

the model was already a mess to start with and I feel like I've been going downhill from there

[compact dust]

if it's quest then invisible wont exist correctly

if he's invincible why can i still see him

[runic spade]

why is blender easier than unity

[spark karma]

As a Maya user, it's not, lol

[left gull]

lots of furry models arent made to be optimized sadly, i think the literal worst optimized model ive seen was a furry one (rexioum iirc?)

[runic spade]

this model was horrible before I combined and decimated it

from over 90k triangles to 20k with very little loss in visual quality

and that was already after I deleted all the bs like clothing and some other cosmetic options

and I literally know nothing btw

I've only accomplished anything through fumbling around and basic tutorials

[misty ridge]

so.. i joined this world and apparently its lighting or smth made my avi look like this and i liked it so muchh so like is it possible to replicate whatever effect they had to my avi in normal lighting

[gilded apex]

my mayu has a gesture that when i put my finger on top of my right joystick it blinks, i just need that to go away because sometimes if im moving my finger on it a lot my avi ends up spamming blinking

[compact dust]

mayb set lighting to realistic
only works if you have the unity file for the avi and not from an avi search world

[arctic ginkgo]

someone answered you earlier already

it's ambient occlusion

[runic spade]

how can I merge them? Also I realized 'invisible' was actually the tongue but I had it set to the wrong shader

material

[misty ridge]

i mean like i wanna make it go to the avi under normal lighting since thats bc the world makes it look like that

[misty ridge]

yeah i have the avi

[arctic ginkgo]

okay so bake ambient occlusion or use a shader that has it (but using a shader for this effect is not very performant)

you can bake ao in blender

[misty ridge]

ah okii tyy

[runic spade]

currently figuring out shaders in blender I guess

[left gull]

merge the meshes together, atlas the textures onto a single sheet (or 2-3 if the image is too big/blurry with 4k since vrchat doesnt actually use higher then that despite the option to in unity) and remove the extra mesh slots

[runic spade]

is there a video somewhere to explain how to do that to me, and the meshes are already merged

also the textures are all masks

[sturdy narwhal]

Could I ask something about an issue related to trackers on every avi here? I tried posting to the user help and no one responded and when I asked on the subreddit it got auto deleted. I genuinely don't know how to fix this problem and ive had it for months

[left gull]

if its not related to adding something onto a model then it'd go in #full-body-tracking but its a bit hard to know the correct channel w/o knowing the actual question

[sturdy narwhal]

Oh thank you, I didn't even see that channel before

I was gonna ask here since i thought this was the only other support place and even though it isnt related to avatar making I just am that desperate lol

[left gull]

you could try looking on youtube but not too sure what part you're struggling on to suggest any specific videos

[runic spade]

the materials exist only in unity so I just have no idea how to combine them

[mighty kestrel]

that’s not true at all 💀

blender mats?

[runic spade]

no I mean like

there just isn't anything there

idk how to recreate them

[mighty kestrel]

you have a mat on it?

[runic spade]

that's just what the model came with

[mighty kestrel]

you need textures

and i highly suggest understanding how mats/textures work before rematerializing something

[runic spade]

the only textures I have are colormats, normal maps, specular maps, and ao

[mighty kestrel]

on the model?

[runic spade]

in unity

[mighty kestrel]

show me

[mighty kestrel]

bc this 100% looks like it has a text

[runic spade]

those have nothing to do with what the model actually uses

they are unused

idk how I'd use them

[mighty kestrel]

are you trying to add something to it? what is the end goal?

[runic spade]

the model is medum, all I need to get it to good is reduce mat slots from 11 to 4

[mighty kestrel]

you would need to probably retexture/uv the model entirely and make new textures

imo

[runic spade]

ffs I hate furry model designers

[mighty kestrel]

because those maps are from substance painter

i assume

so in order to change the materials to a smaller amount, you’d need to combine the UV’s which will break the texture, so you’ll prob have to retexture it yourself

optimization is a bitch, but unless someone else has a better idea idk

that’s just how i’d approach it

[mighty kestrel]

idk why they did it like this

[runic spade]

me neither

there was another model I was using that was much simpler and easier to work with, but I used this instead because it looked better

[mighty kestrel]

i understand needing other masks to make it looks nice, but having a base color text is kinda important </3

[runic spade]

idk why they just used masks and stuff, it's so annoying

[mighty kestrel]

it’s more of the fact there’s no good base color text, but yeah i agree

[lost umbra]

I have issue with my world constraint rather then sticking to the area I drop, it teleport to the center of the world instead

[wicked meteor]

still having this issue. ive reinstalled unity hub , the unity version , the creator companion. I have 1tb on one ssd and 3tb on the other. Ppl are telling me to clean wipe my pc but no way in hell well I do that for unity so if someone knows actual fixes for this please ping me Ive already struggled w this for way too many hours yesterday

it started off only happening w 2 avatars and every other one is fine but now every avi does this which is confusing me

[ornate stump]

I have told you that the package file itself is corrupted. You'd have to download the package file again.

[wicked meteor]

I have redownloaded the files about 5 times and im the only one of like 100 ppl having this issue

is my pc just corrupting them after downloading / unzipping or what?

and tried another avi that ive downloaded before with no problem which still does it

[wicked meteor]

said it here too

[ornate stump]

Does this mean you are unable to import any package file at all?

[wicked meteor]

yes

no poi , no vrcfury no nothing

at all gives me a error if I add it inside unity

ive closed nordvpn fully to see if that maybe caused it but no

Have been downloading a few things to stress test my pc and than that started happening

I saw someone here had this issue in January I think but they never mention fixing it so

I may just contact unity but ive tried all their tips on how to fix this

[placid mica]

This is my first time using blender..
I made a custom blendshape for an already existing piece of clothing, but now I can't figure out how to get it back into unity WITH the blendshapes
When I tried to import it, it was just the mesh :(

[wicked meteor]

I'll test some stuff including checking it on my old pc but not now cuz work in a bit

[stiff brook]

can somone help me with my clothing
(perferbly call because im stupid)

[left gull]

That looks like either a weightpaint issue (its not weightpainted to the rig properly) or you've got two armature sets (one as the body one as the shirt which isnt meant to be the case)

[stiff brook]

were would i weight paint it im a lil new

i know what i did

i axadently deleteted the skeleton

[stiff brook]

can sombody dm call me and help me with this

im braindead

[balmy barn]

pose shirt so its close to a T , save as rest , delete bones / vertex groups on it - weight transfer from body ( robust weight transfer handy )

[stiff brook]

i got it ty

[jade falcon]

I've got a voice activated effect on my avatar setup but I want it to only blend between 0% or 100%
how do I do this? I've got a blend tree for the animation

this is what I've setup for now

[arctic ginkgo]

what do you mean by this? that it's only 0% or 100% and nothing in-between?

[jade falcon]

I want it to basically toggle between the two animations

when the voice reaches a certain volume

it should switch to the on animation

[arctic ginkgo]

okay, that's best not to do in a blendtree then

just make a normal toggle

[jade falcon]

the voice parameter can be a toggle?

[arctic ginkgo]

?

no

you can't affect the voice parameter

but you can use the voice parameter in a transition condition

[jade falcon]

where do I find the transitions?

o wait nvm I think I found it

[balmy barn]

voice + motion time ( have to use broken & constant on animation if you want to avoid it gradually changing and just go to it instant , well for this exsample on colors )

3 different voice tests ive done , one move between 3 states, one just scale something , another 0 or 100 nothing in between

easymode , only require 1 animation

[jade falcon]

ok I think I've got it now

thanks yall

[plain comet]

it don't say any issues when I go to check

this is worse than when I bought Miz's new Loona and went to make a personal edit of it and the toggles were broken

for info this is GraveTeeths new Emily, just bought the bundle of Sera and Emily

all the Sera's and the Casual Emily are fine for upload but the other three Emily's do this

[brisk zinc]

Hei can I ask someone to help me out I swapped out a few face textures but with each face texture the eye lashes and eyebrows are blocky I’m at a complete lost

[queen trail]

just forwarding this to save time

[sudden violet]

make sure they are in here as well

[plain comet]

they are

thats the funny thing

[ornate stump]

Did you assign the same parameter file in avatar descriptor?

[sudden violet]

mh, the only other thing i can imagine, is VRC descriptor shenanigans.

[plain comet]

I did not know I had to check that

[grizzled drum]

How do I make a constraint allways point the same direction globally
Currently it just stays where you turn it on at

[sudden violet]

if i understand this correctly, you'd want to make sure the constraint is parented to the bone you want it to follow.

[grizzled drum]

I'm trying to have a compass allways point

Currently you will have to zero it every time the Avi loads

[ornate stump]

Pointing to arbitrary direction or to a reference object?

[grizzled drum]

World

I have a partical and shaders that do it but not a flat compass

[ornate stump]

That wasn't in given choices.

[grizzled drum]

World X Axis is north for me

[ornate stump]

Then you meant arbitrary direction.

[grizzled drum]

Arbitrary is the wrong word

[ornate stump]

It rather means picking a certain direction without any other reference.

[grizzled drum]

Reference is the world Axis

As it is for all my other compasses

[ornate stump]

World axis already is absolute.

[grizzled drum]

Therefore it's not Arbitrary

Anyways is there way to do?

Because having to sync your compass to the True ones every time you load the Avi is a Pain

[ornate stump]

Try rotation constraint with freeze to world enabled.

[grizzled drum]

That locks to Load direction

[ornate stump]

Then try aim constraint.

[grizzled drum]

Set how?

Abuse Up vector?

[crystal whale]

I'm trying to take somethiing into blender to decimate it with cats, but whenever i try to click "quick decimate", it's telling me no meshes found. How do i fix this so i can decimate things properly?

[wind skiff]

just decimate it in edit mode

select the part of the mesh you want to decimate, go to mesh > clean up > decimate and set the amount you want it decimated by

and, if you want, enable X symmetry

[crystal whale]

where do i find mesh?

[crystal whale]

this doesn't seem to be doing anything

[grizzled drum]

Only works in Editor

[ornate stump]

How it didn't work?

[grizzled drum]

Avi Load direction is zero
In Editor its world

[primal pasture]

Hi i need help 😦 when i have my newly made avi in unity and when i'm rigging it to humanoid it says it's not in t pose, can someone help me fix it?

[desert elk]

enforce t pose

[pine valley]

At the bottom of the inspector, look for Pose -> Enforce T-Pose

It looks like you're very close to the correct pose

[desert elk]

yeah

[pine valley]

I'm also unclear on the consequences of not having it in the perfect t-pose

[primal pasture]

ommg thank you

i was sittin lookin aat it for past 10 minutes

[spark walrus]

How do I get certain avatars

When I search up asta I dont get anything asta

[bitter girder]

Quick question, anyone know what causes these two stats to desync, and which is considered the 'True' overall performance stat?

• All performance breakdown stats are Medium or better
• Shows Poor on avatar selection.
• Haven't yet tested how the 'Block Poorly Optimized Avatars' setting treats the avatar, I'll do one if a bug report is needed.

[balmy barn]

one showing breakdown is broken , you will appear as medium for others - mine says very poor but its good

[bitter girder]

cheers

[balmy barn]

tested it with a new blueprint id and it behaved, overwrote a older one and it got it wrong

[bitter girder]

ahh gotcha

[balmy barn]

not sure if its on canny 🔨

[bitter girder]

hmm, fresh blueprint ID for this one didn't fix the issue. The only pre-hook the avatar has is a gogoloco vrcfury prefab.

and yet, green stats all around

[pine valley]

i'd compare it to a manually-merged gogologo

it shouldn't matter!

but "shouldn't" is not "doesn't" 😉

(it really shouldn't matter)

[balmy barn]

I dont use vrcfury , gogo or modular, but i can make the stats all sort of wrong in the breakdown

not even constraints on mine

[bitter girder]

ok, fixed it by removing gogo module, removing all animators from the avatar descriptor, on a fresh blueprint

[balmy barn]

think its the new multi upload component doing wierd things , bottom of the new sdk

but breakdown is server side checks

[runic spade]

so far managed to whittle it down to 7 material slots aaaagh

this is like pulling teeth

[pine valley]

I wonder if your animator has any "orphaned" assets in it

it's possible for things to remain in the animator controller asset even though they aren't referenced by any layers

I'd expect for these to get stripped during build (because nothing references them)

[runic spade]

I DID IT

lets gooo

[bitter girder]

You're probably right about something there. I finally narrowed it down now to - placing the animator's FX controller in the FX slot in the avatar descriptor triggers the issue after an upload.

Irrsepective of whether or not the vrcfury prefab is there, ruled that out

[pine valley]

What performance stats can that affect?

It could change VRAM usage

[bitter girder]

it doesn't, thats the strange thing. the animators count is always at 1

[pine valley]

This wouldn't change the number of animators

But it could cause extra assets to be pulled into your avatar

[bitter girder]

hmm ill count before and after uncompressed size

[pine valley]

notably, if your animations reference other materials, it could cause your VRAM usage to go up

(if those materials reference textures that are otherwise not used by your avatar)

beyond that, there isn't much that they could actually do to change your performance rank

[bitter girder]

Before: Uncompressed Size 36.13 MB && Texture Memory 61.54 MB || After Uncompressed size 51.11 MB && Texture Memory 61.54 MB

yep you're probably right

[pine valley]

well that's interesting

texture memory didn't change, but the uncompressed size went way up

[bitter girder]

.. uncompressed size is grey

hidden performance stat

I see

[pine valley]

I wonder if it's calculating texture memory inconsistently

If we naively asume that 15MB of uncompressed size equals 15MB more texture memory, that'd push you past the "Good" threshold

(which is 75MB)

[remote quail]

Any clue what might be causing this?

[pine valley]

I have definitely seen weirdly low texture memory values in-game

Try using Thry's VRAM checker

https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

[pine valley]

Do you have any earlier errors?

[remote quail]

Um just one out of teh ususal

[pine valley]

this is often a red herring, but it usually shows up as an info message, not an error message

[pine valley]

mildly interesting

Are you uploading an avatar for the first time?

[remote quail]

I for sure own the avatar lol and I haven't had issues before. Though the pc's been on for the past 24+hours with unity running, been running overtime last second for furality

Nooo not even close to my first upload

[pine valley]

Okay, so that's definitely a red herring

That error comes up basically every time an upload fails, for some reason

[bitter girder]

.. Yep, good catch

[remote quail]

Ah, should I restart unity?

[pine valley]

ha, there's your bug!

[bitter girder]

So Thry's is actually seeing the correct values which aren't showing in game

[pine valley]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a report about this already on the Feedback site

there's https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/vram-shown-in-avatar-details-does-not-coincide-with-actual-vram-use, but this is a different problem

[pine valley]

It's always worth trying that

[remote quail]

Trying once more, I'm wondering if a sketchy shader I found might be causing it, swapped it out to check

[bitter girder]

I'll add a comment to that as its similar enough/shows more information as to whats causing the issue.

[pine valley]

It's certainly the same family of problems

vram being counted incorrectly

It looks like the in-game count is not correctly including textures referenced by materials in animations

[remote quail]

K wasn't the shader, I'll relaunch. I really hope I don't need to make a new project cuz omg I've crammed so much work into this one over the past 2 days xD runnin on 2 hours of sleep as is

[bitter girder]

found this, will leave comment here https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/vram-misreporting-due-to-material-swap

[remote quail]

Still doing it

I do not wanna rebuild this dumb thingaaaa

[pine valley]

oh, you've managed to perfectly crop out the actual problem :p

the second error message is the relevant one

Basically every other message in the console just says "it failed"

[somber sequoia]

huh I didn't realize that was flagged as an error now

[pine valley]

you need to fix the importer settings on one of your models

It's always been a build-blocker

[somber sequoia]

has it? I must not have noticed then

[pine valley]

I'm guessing you have a script (e.g. something using Modular Avatar) that's adding a model to your avatar during build time

[somber sequoia]

I thought it was just a warning

[pine valley]

This wouldn't show up in the control panel, since the model isn't being used until that script runs

[remote quail]

You mean the upper bit of this?

[somber sequoia]

no, the second error down

[remote quail]

The blendshape normals?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[remote quail]

oop

I've always seen that though xD
I guess it just is less of a problem most times then?

[pine valley]

where were you seeing that..?

[remote quail]

Usually on upload, especially after making new materials and stuff

It's never stopped my till now though so I just saw it and thought nothing of it

Huzzah it uploaded

Lol

[pine valley]

i am pretty sure it's a blocker, but i just checked in a random project and it's letting me click the upload button..

[remote quail]

Nodders

[pine valley]

I wonder if the latest SDK release is incorrectly letting you try to upload

[remote quail]

If the button clicks it usually works

Probably

Once again Thank you for the help!

I shall now get ready to hop on

[pine valley]

ah, yep, avatar validation failed

This may be a deliberate change, like how they no longer block you from trying to build if you have too many parameters

yeag

Anything with a red stop-sign icon is a blocker

[limpid cargo]

i downloaded an asset that uses unity constraint.
is there a tool to convert to vrchat constraint before upload?

[somber sequoia]

the SDK can do that, yeah

check in the "3 dots" menu for the constraint, or iirc in the build window

[limpid cargo]

ahhh i see it! thank you 💗

[lost umbra]

My world constraint isnt working right, what's the issue?

[somber sequoia]

why use a Unity constraint?

Also probably explain what you want it to do

[spark walrus]

Bro I asked for avatar help a bunch of people just sent a friend request and shit I don't trust any of em

[lost umbra]

I made a smoke bomb that is supposed to drop where I stand, and after 15 seconds, it will dissipate and reset back to where I am standing for next deployment.

[somber sequoia]

yeah use VRC constraints and toggle the "lock to world" checkbox (I forget the exact name of it)

[lost umbra]

Issue is, it starts off where I stood, but then it moves to the world center instead

I changed vrc constraint and now its stuck to me desipite dropping it

I used this video https://youtu.be/pknSS56Abkk?si=1W2_3foSZoSZdfQW

[primal spruce]

Anybody know how to make a invisible toggle where it makes my body and my vrchat name tag dissapear?

i thought maybe if i move the amature to -600 in Y level it would work
but then the problem occurs where im not sure if that would work even, and i cant test it either cause im not sure how to do so

[somber sequoia]

hiding your name tag is against ToS, but body is easy, just disable your mesh renderers or swap to a discarding shader

[pine valley]

i was going to say that, but i can't actually find it anywhere

[somber sequoia]

huh

I thought it was in there