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[blissful mantle]

like you do a rotation animation on it and then after record stop and then preview its back to being where it started

[mint silo]

alright got the head done

[desert elk]

Nice. I'm assuming you wanna delete the old one?

Delete it, position the new one, apply transforms, and merge. And should be good

[delicate olive]

just a quick unity question
I have both a highlight and roughness map and I'm using lilToon shader. Both can't go under Smoothness, so what do I do then?

[desert elk]

if the body's bones are named the same

[somber sequoia]

I wouldn't think highlight would in either case, but I don't know that shader really.

[mint silo]

so im just deleting the oppisite of what i have left correct?

[desert elk]

Don't delete anything

just name sure the body's chest is named chest, neck - neck, etc

otherwise you'll get two chest bones

and it's not gonna merge properly

[delicate olive]

Smoothness is the "main texture" under Reflections with lilToon shader that's why

[blissful mantle]

everytime i click previiew it also changes rotation

the other ear stays the same at preview

why is preview rotating the left ear

[mint silo]

this what i have left on the Kemono Red Fox's head, theyre both named Chest and chest

[blissful mantle]

this seems to be broken

[desert elk]

I'd for safety and to avoid mistakes give them the same name, capital letters included

or do it with Thulen's methodd

and you don't need to worry about stuff like this

[mint silo]

yeah im still lost

[desert elk]

is it not working? what's happening?

[desert elk]

did you apply all transforms before exporting from blender?

[blissful mantle]

yes

is that what broke it?

[desert elk]

no

if you didn't, that's what could've happened

I'm not sure why it's happening if transforms were applyed

[blissful mantle]

the ear jus doesnt want to be animated

[mint silo]

did you apply physbones?

[blissful mantle]

yeah

does it not allow bones to be rotated in animation clip when physbones is attached?

it even changes in the animator

the default state changes at 0 when doing preview

how to fix this

[mint silo]

idk not sure honestly

[balmy barn]

check your rig if your ears assigned to jaw, ears are not humanoid bones

[mint silo]

i honestly dont want to merge and come to find out i messed something up

this is like my 4th attempt on doing this

[blissful mantle]

bruh it was attache to jaw

aaaaaaah

[mint silo]

So how do i go about doing this since Raruh doesnt have feet?

[desert elk]

are there feet bones in blender? if yes, add them to the configuration in unity

[light charm]

it could be your fx layer

[mint silo]

no there isnt any feet bones

[desert elk]

so you'll need to make them yourself

[mint silo]

Apparently for some magical reason cats decided to delete the foot bones

[desert elk]

so merge the armatures manually

[upbeat quartz]

uh- how- how do I fix this,,,

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to mark some of those parameters not synced. Possibly that means remove props or add-ons or something like that.

[upbeat quartz]

Is there a way I can fix this without unsyncing things?

[desert elk]

I don't think so, a limit is a limit

[vestal dove]

i changed the shader but it still says unsupported shader

[desert elk]

check particles if you're using them

they also count

[somber sequoia]

VRCFury has a "parameter compressor" thing that may work for you, but it's not ideal. Ideal is probably to separate your avatar into two, especially if you've tried to stack up too many outfits or props.
Or, rework how you're using parameters, such as to use bools instead of int or float, since 8 bools = 1 int/float

[balmy barn]

fjacetracking? rare to see that over limit

[somber sequoia]

yeah face tracking takes up a lot 🙂

[vestal dove]

didnt know there were particles ty

[untold minnow]

Does anyone know how I can loop avatar dances with vrc fury? I can only loop the audio and I don’t know how to loop dances if there is a way

[near cove]

i have a model in unity for vrchat I added the gogoloco and descriptor and hair physics and hand/face gestures---- but now I want to go back to blender and rig/ add shoes to the model? how can I do that without ruining all I did in unity? Is that possible? I thought I could add more shoes / accessories in blender and then save the fbx of the model as the same one I worked on in unity and it would update with the same settings of the model in unity-- but I'm nervous of losing all the work ;s;'

is it possible to add more clothes/accessories/hair to a model back in blender that will update to the finished model in unity? \ . /

[balmy barn]

if you didnt unpack , overwriting fbx shouldnt break anything

[near cove]

what does unpack mean ;3;'

[balmy barn]

white is unpacked ( never do this , punch anyone who says you should ) , if you av isnt that color and you can right click it and see 'unpack' option its not unpacked

[near cove]

oh yes I've never done that! cool!

thankyou!!

[mint silo]

do i just merge the foot on to the existing armature?

[compact dust]

woh how is le hierarchy colored

[balmy barn]

https://blog.febucci.com/2020/10/custom-hierarchy-for-unity/ its a very old script

[compact dust]

:o

i love it

[mint silo]

Yeah this is confusing, im trying to merge the feet and i have not a clue to attach what to what

When i attach the feet they sit at the bottom and not attached to the correct spot

how do i connect the feet to the lower feet?

How do i connect?

[frail temple]

select the feet bones second while holding shift, press ctrl p and then parent the bones, Keep offset if you want them far apart

[mint silo]

Thanks

[frail temple]

ran into a problem weight painting, when i have awkward topology to work with, what's the easiest way to fix it without raising the triangle count dramatically? (already tried remesh and subsurface divide modifier)

Also the model is not symmetrical

[vestal dove]

any idea the issue?

[mint silo]

Why am i in the ground

[frail temple]

make sure your avatar is at 0, 0, 0 in blender and unity

[mint silo]

def at 0,0,0

[frail temple]

Even in Rig?

[mint silo]

i fixed it, it was something to do with the anim that i had it on

[elder hound]

has anyone had this problem with impostors?? :C left is pc, right is impostor

[mossy jacinth]

looks fine to me

[somber sequoia]

paste the first 2-3 errors, not a random one, this is usually a side-effect of another error.

[somber sequoia]

really difficult to see what is going on here, but note that the subsurface divide results in more polys. And sometimes you have to add polys to get things to deform well. Maybe you can remove some elsewhere.

[untold minnow]

What does this mean? And how can I fix it?

[somber sequoia]

okay..... so a bunch of things here. You're weight painting with weight = 1 and strength = 1. Weight painting is all about relatives. With that low-poly, the edge loops right on joints probably should be about 50% to each bone. Maybe try the smoothing tool?
I tend to paint with strength = 1 and weight = .02, but I also do this with a drawing tablet.

also am I counting too many arm bones?

[frail temple]

I tried and it always goes over, i have to redo the topology, smooth tool don't work in this instance

[somber sequoia]

I also tend to suggest turning on auto-normalization.

no no, smoothing for weights, not for modeling

[frail temple]

oh shit u right

[frail temple]

Yeah i know

[somber sequoia]

ok

(I also smooth with low strength, like .2)

[somber sequoia]

not sure I've ever gone to that menu, but sure

[frail temple]

If i smooth with a strength of 0.2 and this happens

[somber sequoia]

ah - it's Blur

I have a popup when I hit space in weight-paint mode, I pick from there

but yeah that looks kinda closer. Part of the problem you have here is the actual joint is in the middle of a bone

To me, this mesh + rigging are not done well, I'd make edge loops at the joints where the bones connect

it could be the viewing angle.

it's also way lower poly than I tend to work with

[frail temple]

yeah it's from a ps1 game, i did the legs easily but i am having major trouble with the hands and fingers

[frail temple]

Mesh wasn't joined, stuff was in a thousand pieces

[frail temple]

Oh really? i was given the rig by someone

[somber sequoia]

arms have two bones

maybe one of those is wrist but it seems way long

[frail temple]

Woops

[frail temple]

Oh yeah that is the wrist, i didn't notice i overscaled it, thanks!

[somber sequoia]

shoulder -> upper arm -> lower arm -> wrist/hand -> fingers

[somber sequoia]

it's funny how difficult that 3D wireframe view is to look at when you're not the one moving the camera around.

[frail temple]

Apologies, gonna use numpad

[somber sequoia]

no it's fine! It's just an interesting observation

I also think I'd probably be editing the armature there rather than the mesh but both are perfectly valid options

[frail temple]

here's a complete view from all numpads

[frail temple]

Honestly what i was thinking but i was afraid it was gonna do some more tomfuckery, will try that instead, thanks!

[somber sequoia]

is tomfuckery like an extreme version of tomfoolery?

[frail temple]

there's probably a con to adapting the armature to the mesh rather than redoing the topology yourself tho, right?

[somber sequoia]

eh... if it looks and works right, it probably doesn't matter

[frail temple]

Basically yeah, what blender has been giving me for the past week

Oh yeah one last question, this character has a jacket that runs alongside his back all the way to his feet, what bone should i weight paint that on?

This is it

[somber sequoia]

uh.... its own bones, if you want it to move via physbone, otherwise legs I guess?

[frail temple]

It's apart of the mesh itself and not an accessory

[frail temple]

No i meant what bone should i assign weight painting that part to so the jacket doesnt stay in place while the character moves, the hips or the spine?

[somber sequoia]

yes, I know what you meant - my answer is still the same

[fair kestrel]

Hi! I'm having an issue that when exporting my avatar from Blender as FBX, when I import it to Unity the rig shows it sideways. Also, when I upload to VRCChat, crazy things start happening. The avatar is facing downwards and also stuck in T-Pose. When using Gesture Manager in play mode on Unity, it doesn't register the avatar and put it in the correct pose. It also doesn't go into Bike Pose when in play mode. Can anyone help?

[somber sequoia]

In Blender are you working with +Z going up, and have the default axis conversion settings in the FBX export dialog?

[hollow sun]

What is the correct way of getting this hip setup to work in unity, if it is at all possible?

trying using this but the effect it gives is the same as if I just dont use the "Scale to" component at all in Blender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx2LtlZqG3g&ab_channel=LewisAnimation 👈 this is a rly short 4 min video where I got this technique from, it works fantastically in blender even If I don't use bendy bones (the guy in the video does, but they apparently are a Blender only thing) it gives really good results as you can see in the first pic.

[fair kestrel]

im using the fbx unit scale if thats what ur on about? also i am using z+ going up

sorry for not replying

[mellow vigil]

I'm needing help making a toggle. The toggle I have has a few animations that play for certain parts of the prefab. How can I make a toggle that will play all of the prefabs animations once its toggles? I've tried doing it manuely and using vrc fury and it just toggles on without moving

[hollow sun]

update, look at seems to work best, had to fiddle around but now I'm getting good results

[arctic ginkgo]

what i can think of off the top of my head is animating with proximity contacts, so you use the contacts to measure distance, then use an aim constraint to get the direction correct, and animate the scale based on the proximity contact parameter

look at/aim constraints are kinda the same thing, aim constraints just have more control. But yeah if you want the scale to be affected too try adding a contact receiver to the "HipUpper" bone and a contact sender to the "HipLower" bone where the tail and head of the "Hip" bone should be respectively. Then you can use the parameter to control the scale, you can try animating the X and Y axes to change inversely proportional to the Y axis scale to maintain volume like the stretch to constraint does

[raven sun]

I'm having a weird issue with particle systems where for some reason I can see them in game view when I hit play but not in scene view. They do play in game, I just can see them playing in scene view for some reason

[mellow vigil]

I'm needing help making a toggle. The toggle I have has a few animations that play for certain parts of the prefab. How can I make a toggle that will play all of the prefabs animations once its toggles? I've tried doing it manuely and using vrc fury and it just toggles on without moving

[undone fable]

Hi everyone. I have an issue with uploading an android avatar. no matter what we do, it just refuses to even load in VRChat
This is what it looks in the menu:

This is the current thing in the descriptor:

[somber sequoia]

which unity version do you have there?

[undone fable]

2022.3.6f1 but i am in a call with my friend and they have 22f1 and they get the same result i do
this is the only avatar i have uploaded that has this issue

At this point, I only uploaded the FBX Rigged

[somber sequoia]

definitely upgrade (that one is buggy), but that version wouldn't be a blocker

[undone fable]

only 1 material, no parameters, no menu, no Animator controllers, no visemes

[raven sun]

the simplest way I can think of is set up a Boolean variable and add it to all the transitions for all the animations

[mellow vigil]

I'm not sure how I would do that

[mellow vigil]

but I think I understand enough about them now to try to and get it to work

[south kraken]

how do i fix this error? as far as i can tell no animations are being previewed in the scene
it comes up after i upload the avatar

i have been having issues with legacy constraints breaking on upload

[potent dawn]

how do i fix this

[compact dust]

the white ones dont mean anything

[potent dawn]

it wownt let me add a vrchatavatardescriptor because of it

[compact dust]

well its not because of the white ones

[potent dawn]

welll then how do i fix it

[compact dust]

if im not mistaken they dont mean anything at least

[compact dust]

well are there red errors?

[potent dawn]

no

[compact dust]

you're attempting to add the vrcad to the root, correct?

[potent dawn]

yes

[compact dust]

so what happens when you click add component and the descriptor

[potent dawn]

that error message pops up

[somber meadow]

screenshot the hierarchy, or just your whole unity

[timid kite]

can somebody help me set up a ||lewd|| prefab please? i make avatars but booth prefabs require way more knowledge. dm me please! i really really really need help >< be 18+!

[compact dust]

if its a system then follow one of the tutorials

[compact dust]

thats not how you do it

[potent dawn]

then how do i do it

[timid kite]

it does have a tutorial and i did exactly as it says but it doesnt work

[somber meadow]

you need to drag that into your hierachy

[compact dust]

you need the avi in the left side heirarchy, go to the root, and click add component onto it

[somber sequoia]

there are 4 errors. The red ones. Show those.

[compact dust]

or just this, then click add vrc desc from the sdk

[potent dawn]

where is the hierarchy

[compact dust]

left tab

[potent dawn]

scene?

[potent dawn]

it wont let me put it there

[compact dust]

wdym

[potent dawn]

i cant drag my file there

[compact dust]

._.

[potent dawn]

it does the stop sign mouse button

[compact dust]

you're clicking the model block and dragging it, yes?

[potent dawn]

yes

[compact dust]

video?

[fathom current]

need help dont know why top part of hat is invisble but looking at it from the bottom its not

[potent dawn]

im dragging the model from my files to it

[viral tendon]

does anyone know how to fix this im still learning between blender and unity and i cant seem to figure out why this is happening

[potent dawn]

oh nvm it started working

[compact dust]

what's le problem

[viral tendon]

the face wont show up textured

its like hald transparent half not

[compact dust]

is the material applied?

[viral tendon]

yeah

all i was doing was adding a new hair and then i dropped it in unity and used pumpkins to copy the avatar materials and settings of the body of the previous models

[compact dust]

did you also try manually applying or only the tool

[viral tendon]

i only did the tool let me try manually

[compact dust]

could be that the tool messed it up on copying or smth

[potent dawn]

how do i fix these

[viral tendon]

this is what happens when i put it in the scene at first

[compact dust]

shoot
i had this happen but idr what fixed it 😭

[viral tendon]

its all good haha

[compact dust]

put an animator in the vrc desc

[viral tendon]

ill keep messing around with it and see if i can get it but if anyone has a solution or you remember how let me know

[potent dawn]

what

[compact dust]

animator

in vrc descriptor that you added

[potent dawn]

where do i get that

[compact dust]

not in vrc desc, its a seperate component

mb

[potent dawn]

where is that

[ornate stump]

You should watch tutorial video at this point https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?t=73

[potent dawn]

i already did

it didnt help

thats why i came here

[compact dust]

btw would you happen to know anything for this besides the blender shrinkwrap modifier #avatar-general message

[ornate stump]

You might have to watch each section closely. You clearly didn't do the rig configuration part.

[potent dawn]

i did it didnt work

i watched it 3 times

it didnt work

thats why i came here

[ornate stump]

How is the rig configuration look like now?

[compact dust]

if it didnt work, maybe you should try a different tutorial (idk)

[potent dawn]

what

[ornate stump]

This menu.

[potent dawn]

that image is blurry

[compact dust]

its readable

[ornate stump]

I took it from the tutorial video.

[ornate stump]

I just do sculpt and fix weight paint manually.

[compact dust]

would i have to weight paint it if its just a slight change

i presume not

[fathom current]

hey dont know why but the top of my hat is invisible from the top but not from the bottomany idea how to fix it

[ornate stump]

Polygon face orientation.

[fathom current]

huh forgive me for i am stupid

[ornate stump]

Polygon has frontside and backside. Backside doesn't get rendered by default in unity.

[compact dust]

does vrcf have smth for a world constraint btw

[fathom current]

so ingame it will be fine?

[ornate stump]

The game is also made with unity.

[fathom current]

fudge how do i fix this

[ornate stump]

Edit the model to make sure that polygon face is facing the correct way.

Or use shader that can custom cull option and disable face culling.

[main copper]

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[ornate stump]

Did you create cloth toggle using modular avatar or vrcfury?

[main copper]

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[ornate stump]

My first thought was the automation tools was creating preview object which isn't the same as object being toggle hide in the viewport. But what was the issue?

[main copper]

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[ornate stump]

Good to know there was an option there.

[arctic ginkgo]

use the active state, there's no reason you should have to turn them back on unless your avatar is set up wrong/lazily

also then your avatar preview will show the clothes you'd prefer instead of having them all overlayed

[main copper]

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[left wharf]

Modular Avatar, maybe?
idk what you bought so i can't tell you exact answer.

[main copper]

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[shut plover]

can decals be used to create eye look?

[desert elk]

I don't think so
Can you not weight paint them so some bones?

[soft coral]

How should I go about Syncing the "Animator Play Audio" behaviour ? I've tried using it before and the audio seems to be different for everybody which isn't what I want.

[night ember]

youd still need eye bones but sure
secondly why not just give those clearly 3d modeled eyes bones?

[wooden jasper]

I'm using the Moe model in Unity, with the Riltoon shader applied.
After uploading to VRChat other players see my avatar's hair disappear when they are close to me, making me look bald.
The hair appears normal when viewed from a distance

I'm not sure how to solve this, so I'm leaving a question.

[ornate stump]

Likely skinned mesh renderer bounds are too small.

[wooden jasper]

Thanks! I'll check the Skinned Mesh Renderer bounds and adjust them. I really appreciate your help!

[weak briar]

this looks so cursed with only the eyeballs moving and nothing else xdd

[sharp oasis]

For bones it says recommended 75, but I know there's an ammount that causes the alert to dissapear. How many bones is it?

[weak briar]

I think 180

or somethin along that line

[sharp oasis]

I know in the case of triangles it recommends 32k but you can go beyond 2x that and it still counts as green

[weak briar]

yes, but as always less is better

[sharp oasis]

ofc

trying to keep this avi orange but bones

[weak briar]

btw the 75 bones recommendation is based on a basic humanoid rig, cause that one has around that many

[light charm]

i believe the limit is 150 bones before it goes very poor

[weak briar]

yeah 180 or that, dont know the exact amount

[light charm]

i think it was 150

[weak briar]

still 75 more bones to use is a lot

[ornate stump]

You all could just check the docs. No more guessing.

[light charm]

true

[weak briar]

we could, but that would take the fun away

[weak briar]

if you go by that logic, you could always say "just google it and dont ask questions here "

[sharp oasis]

turns out I was so close to the limit that updating from the front one to the back one puts me over the limit

tut

time to merge them in blender..

[ornate stump]

That's what I always do.

[weak briar]

haha, fair enough ^^

[weak briar]

are those the rotation axis or what are these rings

[sharp oasis]

glowstick rings

[ornate stump]

It's still be fine when answering accurate answer. But when it's into guessing, that's out.

[weak briar]

oh

[sharp oasis]

butye. could just merge armatures in blender instead of attatching the bones in unity

I can never remember how to do it correctly though lol

and it'll probably mess up the quest version if I do that

[desert elk]

why would it?

[unreal pasture]

why did vrchat remove this option

legit ruin my whole animation cuz it no longer work in game

[ornate stump]

Which option?

[unreal pasture]

particle texture

no longer work in game

[sharp oasis]

is it just me or are quest avatars even harder to upload now. The 10mb texture limit was one thing but now even ok avatars are hitting the (new??) uncompressed 40mb limit

[ornate stump]

Do you actually mean texture on individual particle, or texture using as emitter shape?

[unreal pasture]

i screenshotted it

the emitter texture

in unity it work as normal but in vrc they legit remove it

[ornate stump]

Did you test with gesture manager in unity? Make sure that the logic you spawn the particle is working.

[fluid niche]

Is there anyway at all to message a user you're not yet friends with on VRC?
I'm desperately wanting to contact a specific avatar creator to ask if they'd consider sharing the files as it's an avatar I've found myself feeling very much me and I'd like to make some tweaks to make it more my own.

Also, would I be right in thinking there's no way to download existing avatars somehow to open in unity? I'm assuming any useable data is lost after build time anyway.

[ornate stump]

Download existing avatar is called ripping and is illegal.

[fluid niche]

That's what I figured, hence the desire to reach out to the creator directly, but i just can't seem to find any way to do it whatsoever. The only option is a friend request, but i'm not able to provide any context as to who the hell this random person sending a friend request is.

[unreal pasture]

its not that

it spawns

in game

it just does not have the texture shape

i add

[desert elk]

if they're an avatar creator they may sell their stuff somewhere and have socials linked

[fluid niche]

Sadly they don't have anything other than "black cat" written in the avi description and even less on their profile page.

[dreamy grail]

toss it into #1138520828556890214 it might be a base

[desert elk]

could be worth a try

[fluid niche]

Oh thanks, I'll give it a shot 🙂

[desert elk]

it could be a model available for purchase somewhere

[cursive roost]

lol does anyone know why this happens? The torso is kinda like rotated to the right, my friend who made me and helped me upload the avatar checked the bones and they’re all fine it’s only in-game, it also fixes itself with fbt and mmd animations (image below is me facing straight towards the camera, evil aforementioned torso)

[somber sequoia]

shape? The tooltip it says it uses that texture for color, not shape. Are you trying to set particle color or emit from a specific shape? If the latter, you can definitely use the renderer or a mes object

[unreal pasture]

i used to be able to do it

[somber sequoia]

You're saying that used to actually affect shape?

[unreal pasture]

the emission only appear

in the texture

i used to do all the timme

[true flower]

So.
I'm trying to make a Four Axis Puppet switch menu thingy and have hit a point where what the video is telling me is not what I see in the program (Specifically, the drop-down for Blend Type so I can set it to 2D Freeform Directional). The video is only three years old so I'm a little surprised the information is out of date, but I don't have much else to go on.

Here's the video, the point I'm stuck at is 6:41
https://youtu.be/UU9NFJz2qls?si=9160OlP5GHXZ3u6u

And here's me:

[somber sequoia]

double-click on that blend tree animator state

[true flower]

In the flow chart window? I get a box that says "Blend Tree" with a slider for "Gesture" "L" I think? it's cut off... lemme screen shot it

[somber sequoia]

Yeah that should cause the inspector to show the actual blendtree - at 6:44 in the video

yes, now click that box, and look in the inspector

[true flower]

AH!

[somber sequoia]

basically you're going into the blendtree state and then you can work within that.

At the top of the "flowchart window" is now a sort of path display, you can click on parts to go "up" a step

[true flower]

which will take me back to the previous window...? cool

[somber sequoia]

yup

[true flower]

I can't find a gif of kissing exuberantly without looking creepy in this context, but do know that I am very grateful for this. Asking questions about Unity has been a hit or miss proposition (especially as a beginner, who doesn't even know the words to ask the questions) so anyone actually taking the time to help is greatly appreciated. 🥰

[somber sequoia]

happy I can help!

[true flower]

Ah-- now I see. He says, "Enter the Blend Tree" clear as day, but without knowing what that meant (and missing the movement itself), I didn't realize he'd transitioned to a new page.

Yeesh, I need a book that has a darn good glossary of these terms.

[light charm]

what avi is it?

also, check to see if the avatar creator has any socials linked to their profile or bio

[true flower]

Ooo, I'm in the same boat with a particular avatar, and let me warn you: Apparently there are scammers who use this kind of setup to get an "In" with the creators, so when you reach out to them, be very conscious of how you say what you want to say to them. 😅

[frail temple]

@somber sequoia Can i ask you a question again about the weight painting issue i had? completely understand if you don't want me to mention you

really apologise for the mention but you're the only one familiar with the issue i had at hand

[somber sequoia]

you'll probably need to remind me, but sure

[frail temple]

it was concerned with this mesh over here, you recommended i move the bones to align with the mesh's topology

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948173379535022/1347001693639807148/image.png?ex=67cae555&is=67c993d5&hm=78db20689e2b647d3e719e0dd69794118601e1ef3e87157d0ddb2929a5963bb8&

[somber sequoia]

ah yes

[frail temple]

Here we go, my question is , how can i duplicate these edges in order for me to weight paint easily? i tried the knife tool but it's either too inefficient or it just breaks the topology

[somber sequoia]

duplicate?

[frail temple]

Yeah, Shift + D, i want to recreate these lines so i can weight paint each finger easily

or is that a horrible idea?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand what duplicating gets you?

[frail temple]

Oh, i am stupid, doing shift d on these vertices doesn't change the topology

[somber sequoia]

nope

[frail temple]

Uh, is the only way to recreate this is with the knife tool?

[somber sequoia]

can you explain what you're trying to recreate? I'm really not following

[somber sequoia]

oh are you trying to add edge loops so this joint flexes better?

[frail temple]

Yeah, i tried doing ctrl + r but it barely shows me anything

What's the best way to add edge loops without breaking the topology or anything else for the matter?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah because you have triangles, that'll work well with squares but not like this.
What I'd probably do is select the edge on the backside of the finger and bevel it

for something this low poly, the inside can just be one edge, outside 2, and the sides would have a triangle, this way the outer two edges can flex away from each other, stretching the face between them.

[frail temple]

Do you have a video representing this? i am not exactly following...

[somber sequoia]

yep, one sec

something as basic as this shape

I beveled the outside edge, then just merged the extra vertices it makes into the inside edge, but you can achieve this in a lot of ways

[split cairn]

So I've been trying to make two separate versions of an avatar but when i change the material for one it also changes the other, anyway to fix that?

[somber sequoia]

here, I'll add an armature to better demonstrate:

[somber sequoia]

Make a second material. Materials are not avatar-specific.

[split cairn]

not sure what you mean

[somber sequoia]

Materials are global inside a project. If you want to have different materials on different avatars you need to actually have two different materials.

select one in the project window, ctrl+d to duplicate it, apply it to the second avatar and adjust as you like

[frail temple]

and i'll merge those vertices aswell

[somber sequoia]

yeah basically that's how I did this

[frail temple]

a tear just went down my cheek, i've finally done someone's instructions perfectly(ish) in blender

[somber sequoia]

it's a little easier without the triangles - you can dissolve those dividing edges temporarily if you want

yay! 🙂

[frail temple]

I see, got it! You've been a huge help! this model was tearing my hair out during weight painting

[somber sequoia]

it's really low poly, so that does make things hard sometimes

[frail temple]

the topology here is also pain

atleast i don't have to worry about porting it to quest

[somber sequoia]

probably wouldn't be hard from the look of it

[stable zealot]

I need help. I seem to have broken my avatar's gesture controller. The hands are frozen in-game now.
No matter what I do to the gesture layers, nothing changes.. And there's no masks on the fx layers either if anyone wonders about that.
I think this happened either when I was trying to remove facial expressions from the gestures in the fx layers or when I added the GPU Particles prop to the avatar. I'm at a loss. I tried removing the model's gesture controller so that it would use the default but the hands are still frozen.
I'm really not sure what I could have done to cause this

[somber sequoia]

there's an in-game option to disable gestures on the radial menu, make sure you didn't turn that off

[stable zealot]

Nah that's not toggled

[somber sequoia]

hmmm I think what I'd do then is remove all the animation controllers and test in unity in play mode. Then add the gesture one back, and make sure it works, possibly setting some of the layers' weights to 0 to exclude them. Basically exhaustively test each layer until you find the conflict.

[stable zealot]

That's the weird part.. When I remove all of the controllers, the hands still don't move in Unity

[somber sequoia]

did you update the model .fbx file and break the armature? or the link to the mesh?

[frozen laurel]

Hello everyone

[heady pumice]

can someone make avatars for me im struggling and need one for my group i have money

[desert elk]

you'll get scammers here

go to VRC Traders

link in #1204490664637890580

[tall dock]

Anyone knows his way around VRLabs slashing system? Im in the need of some help

[narrow raven]

anyone that knows how to get past 256 bits?

[narrow raven]

so tired of this

[tall grotto]

Might have to reinstall VRCFury or GogoLoco on to the project. I would recommend asking the VRCFury discord server if you still have problems

[heavy zephyr]

What kind of help?

[proper storm]

not place to ask, just go to vrcfury discord and ask

devs for vrcfury dont talk here

yeah but still worth asking the people who know more about it

you get response faster

[tall dock]

Basic setup of those slashes, customization and how to use it with vrcfury because i hate merging it

[heavy zephyr]

For the basic setup just follow the instructions provided?

[left gull]

you could hit unsync on some of your parameters to save space (though that means whatever toggles you unsync wont look the same for some users) or just remove some toggles and make a 2nd version of your model with them

VRCFury might also still have a unlimited parameter script though it can be buggy if the majority of the param space taken up is with other VRCFury added components iirc

[tall dock]

As for the other things?

I guess customization I can dabble in the particle systems from the prefab but vrcfury usage?

[heavy zephyr]

For the rest, customization is mostly just editing the particle systems and audio if you want yeah. For vrcfury I really wouldn't recommend it, especially cause you can just use the avatar manager and merge everything in 30 seconds

[tall dock]

Yeah but sometimes I remove those systems if things don't go well, that's why I'd prefer to use vrcfury like the fury prefabs of the weapons made by Liindy

[heavy zephyr]

Well otherwise just find the controllers you need merged, the targets you need placed and add the necessary vrcfury component to them. Tho I'm still convinced the time spent doing this can't be much shorter than to just delete the layers and objects if you need to remove it

[tall dock]

Hmm, i'll give it a try

If i find it too confusing i'll just do the avatar manager thing

[worldly whale]

how do i use mulitple normals?

oh wait never

mvn

[charred scaffold]

Hey! I’m not entirely sure where to ask this but I was wondering if there’s a way to do a moving texture sort of effect. I saw a Blender model that used shaders to create the effect that its galaxy textures were moving depending on the camera’s position but I’m not entirely sure how I could do that in Unity hmm

Unity kinda stumps me as a program and I really wanted to try this on a VRChat avatar I made from scratch in Blender

[somber sequoia]

You'd do this in the shader in Unity. What you do depends a lot on which shader you use, but I've done it with Poiyomi a few times.

if the shader doesn't directly support it, often you can just animate panning the texture itself.

[left gull]

i think theres a few PC only shaders that can do this effect, panoramic or panosphere something?

[charred scaffold]

Gotcha. I generally use Lil’ Toon so I’ll see if I can do that there but if not I can try something else 👍

[somber sequoia]

Those are really specific things, but yes, you could do that too 🙂

[odd bane]

?

[somber sequoia]

53 errors - go look at the first 2-3, a lot of the others are likely side-effects

[odd bane]

its mainly the secord screenshot I sent

[left gull]

2nd screenshot doesnt really say the error

its kinda just saying it failed not really why it failed

[odd bane]

??

[somber sequoia]

yeah there's not really any useful information in these images, unfortunately

[narrow raven]

why are these so messed up bruh

is there a way of making them like this and also fixing the fact that when i walk the go flying?

[somber sequoia]

specifically what about this is the issue?

[narrow raven]

2 things are the issues, the fingers moving too much when walking and the fact that the physbone arent aligned

like the second picture

[somber sequoia]

ok the aligned thing is probably because the bone roll values in the first model are inconsistent

as for "moving too much" - tweak the limiter to your preference, the first one seems to allow more movement

[balmy plover]

does anyone know what this error means? happens when i try to set up visemes in blender using CATS unoffical for 4.1

[balmy barn]

get 4.2 i guess

[spare zenith]

if i understand right keep quards option do not works after sdk update?

[balmy barn]

nope

[somber sequoia]

knowing just python and not what it's doing, it seems that shapeKey is null - maybe it's looking for a missing shape key?

[spare zenith]

-_-

[desert elk]

4.2 > 4.1
and you could try asking the unofficial cats discord

[somber sequoia]

you generally want to look at Trangles, not Faces. But yeah, this did change recently.

[spare zenith]

i just always use that option and it was really handy=/

[worldly whale]

hey uh im really confused rn. the avatar is stuck in a preveiw animation state even tho im not preveiwing an avatar

[desert elk]

you can reset that with pumkin tools i

i'm pretty sure

[somber sequoia]

yep

[worldly whale]

how? using the pose editier?

[somber sequoia]

somewhere in there is a reset tool, I'm not entirely sure where

[worldly whale]

i got it. not quite the same way but i did it. i used a tpose animation

so its working enough

[somber sequoia]

oh that'll work

[glass condor]

Any ideas? After uploading from Blender into Unity and creating my avi, he is sunk into the floor like this. I also notice that the avatar was slightly sunk in during the comfiguration. What happened?

[narrow raven]

which one is it?

[somber sequoia]

which what?

[glass condor]

I should also mention that it's perfectly on the ground in blender and not floating/dipped into the ground in the normal view of unity.

[somber sequoia]

and all transforms are applied in Blender?

[glass condor]

I believe so.

what could I still be missing?

[balmy barn]

look at where origin is or you have some locomotion animation thats 'breaking' and sends you into floor

[glass condor]

no locomotion changes, and the origin (in blender at least) seems to be at the right spot.

[narrow raven]

which is the option to make them move less

whats the name

[somber sequoia]

it's not about moving less it's about setting the limits how you want them. Which are called "limits" of course.

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones/#limits

[glass condor]

Actually I did notice this

I think the toes aren't where they're supposed to be? (the very bottom)

[balmy barn]

check in unity with a avatar descriptor that line shows up, or blender a yellow dot

if it looks like that you are going to sink

[glass condor]

seems to be at the feet

[balmy barn]

test with default base controller to see if anything in locomotion messing up

or just all default easier

[glass condor]

Like this? It's already default and was when I uploaded...so i doubt its that.

[spark walrus]

Hey everyone, hoping there will be someone here that might know, but I'm trying to set up physbone physics on a new avi I've made, and for the life of me, I cannot get physbones to work on the body. Hair, ears and tail work perfectly fine, but body will not. When adding the component, I can do everything, but there is no white physbones on the avatar like there usually would be, like what happens with the hair/ears/tail

[somber sequoia]

by "body", what exactly do you mean?

[desert elk]

you can't physbone humanoid bones, so if you mean arms/legs/spine, etc it's not gonna work

[somber sequoia]

well... you can but then they're just floppy and you can't actually move the limb

[desert elk]

yeah

[somber sequoia]

so in most cases it's not really what you want.

and so! What exactly do you want here, @spark walrus ?

[spark walrus]

You can definitely do like, jiggle physics, unless something updated and now you can no longer do that, so the usual, breasts, butt, thigh, things like that. All human physics.

[somber sequoia]

you can very much do those things

(they aren't "humanoid" bones, as far as Unity is concerned)

[spark walrus]

Yes, and yet, any time I try to put a physbone on any of that, it will not work, and I'm not entirely sure why. The base I'm attempting to use is the VRBase Egirl, if you know that one at all. I might have to just ask in Zinpia's discord if y'all don't know.

[somber sequoia]

perhaps show the physbone component and what the gizmos look like on the actual bone

[spark walrus]

The physbone component is there, but the gizmo is just...not.

[somber sequoia]

is this one bone or a chain of more than one?

[spark walrus]

One bone.

This is how the bones were set up in Blender by Zinpia.

[somber sequoia]

Increase the Y value for "endpoint position"

try .05 to start

[spark walrus]

...No way. That worked.

[somber sequoia]

yup

Physbones must be chains of 2 or more bones, this kinda fakes it by extending the last bone

[spark walrus]

Ah, I see. Interesting. Thank you.

That literally fixed all the issues I was having. I'm going to go finish this nightmare. Thank you!

[somber sequoia]

excellent 🙂

[glass condor]

Well...uhh...still having the issue with the floor sinking thing despite fixing everything. I'm not even sure if it's a Blender issue or a unity one.

[narrow raven]

thx

[frail temple]

@somber sequoia Perfect!

[somber sequoia]

nice!

[frail temple]

quick question, should i dissolve this face now orr?

Topology doesnt change when i dissolve/delete it

[somber sequoia]

face?

is that not an edge?

[frail temple]

Sorry, edge

[somber sequoia]

oh ok. Technically it doesn't matter much since it'll be triangle'd automatically at some point. I usually don't overdo the triangle stuff unless I actually need them to get something to flex right.

Rigid stuff, whatever, it's not overly important.

[frail temple]

I'll just kill it just incase

[somber sequoia]

it often makes working with the model easier, such as when making edge loops

[glass condor]

update: its literally going through the bounding box wtf

[somber sequoia]

you can set that in unity

[glass condor]

how

[somber sequoia]

on the mesh objects somewhere, I don't have an avatar project open, but it should be obvious

[glass condor]

...I'm still really new, and I've never had this issue before, so like...I'm lost.

[somber sequoia]

so look at a mesh object in the inspector

[left gull]

google is a good friend when avatar creating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6d9Pd9AnY

[balmy barn]

shouldnt have a bounding box there, merge your meshes

[somber sequoia]

right at the top, "edit bounds"

[glass condor]

my stuff isn't invisible, Its just that my legs are in the floor and my arms are at my head. My viewpoint is in the right spot as well, so I know it can't be that.

[left gull]

not just for being invisible they share the same method for re-sizing the bounding size its just that the invisibility issue is more common

[glass condor]

ah. This runs into another issue, sadly--theres no "skinned mesh renderer" in the inspector 😥

reminder of what this looks like in game:

so I think the bounding box is just a symptom of something else going on.

anybody...?😥

[somber sequoia]

What do you have then, just a Mesh Renderer?

[glass condor]

yep

[somber sequoia]

this is rigged?

[glass condor]

yep.

[somber sequoia]

something is definitely not right then.

possibly an un-applied modifier when you exported

[glass condor]

the character has floating arms, hence why I didn't fuse it all together mesh-wise. There's another character I made with this set up that works fine.

un-applied modifier? If it's one that could be putting my character in the floor, that'll be it.

[glass condor]

I'm just worried about the floor issue, bc like I said, other models were fine with the skinned mesh renderer, so it has to be something related to that, right?

[somber sequoia]

maybe?

[glass condor]

what are the modifiers that could be putting my character into the floor...?🤷🏿‍♀️

[somber sequoia]

it's your blender project, you can go see what modifiers you have

I'm not saying that has anything to do with your floor issue, but it's weird you don't have a skinned mesh renderer, an un-applied modifier may have caused that.

[glass condor]

regarding the floor thing, all Google searches keep saying that it's an animation issue? Which is weird cuz I don't think I ever messed with animation in the blend file. 😥

[desert elk]

you could always reexport from blender and untick "animation", maybe something got in there somehow 🤷‍♂️

[somber sequoia]

that wouldn't matter unless you took one of those animations and actually used it in unity

[glass condor]

only thing I see is "bake animation" being checked, I could turn that off unless there's any reason I shouldn't? (I should probably mention that I'm exporting with 'FBX UNITS to Scale')

[desert elk]

try fbx all

[somber sequoia]

You checked for modifiers first?

[glass condor]

alright...how do I check for that😅

[desert elk]

the wrench

where your armature modifier is

[somber sequoia]

check mesh objects under the wrench, you're looking for things which cannot be auto-applied on export, such as subsurface or mirror or various other things

[glass condor]

no modifiers present

[somber sequoia]

you DO have an armature modifier though, right?

[glass condor]

...hypothetically what would happen if I didn't?

[somber sequoia]

You wouldn't have skinned mesh renderers, your avatar wouldn't move with the rigging, and it might end up in the floor

so back to what I said: this is a rigged avatar, right?
(no, go rig it properly)

Without that, the mesh won't move with the bones, weight paint will have no effect.

[glass condor]

it is, weirdly. I checked the other model I used with the same rigging and mesh (only thing that changed was the texture) and it has no skinned mesh renderer, yet...its perfectly fine.

I can even link the avi since it's public, it works without issue.

[somber sequoia]

without investigating I'll just say "huh, okay"

[golden pecan]

my avatar preview shows up without any clothes how do i fix D: (left image is how it normally looks like)

[desert elk]

it takes the look of your avatar in unity i'm pretty sure

so if by default it's not wearing clothes, it'll show up like that

[glass condor]

I'm seriously starting to think this is a unity bug, because I ported the working fbx, swapped the textures, and it's STILL DOING THIS.

[verbal elm]

how to i fix this error?

[glass condor]

look through all of the stuff attached to your Avi and try to locate any missing scripts in the Inspector.

Remove them when you do find them.

[verbal elm]

im not sure how to do that but i will try

im severely new

[left gull]

you might wanna check any upload instructions on the download page or in a provided .txt that comes with the package

removing random scripts could just break your model

[golden pecan]

figured it out :DDD

[glass condor]

oh yeah, make sure you have the required stuff downloaded, whether it was on the store page or in the notepad/readme that went along with it. Sometimes, a missing script will turn into its proper form when you install Liltoon or Modular Avatar for example.

[edgy wind]

Since I update to new SDK my gesture manager wont show expression and toggles I have setup until I go in game? anyone had this issue

[balmy barn]

had issues with contact/recivers so i went back to 3.7.5

av3 did nothing

[edgy wind]

yeah start to feel like rolling back to that

while the sdk thing for build to both is cool too many issue it seems with some of my tools

[somber sequoia]

I'm only working with it on a world so far

[chilly solar]

When i create materials that dont have an image texture and make them toon lit, they all just turn white. what can i do about this? my toon lit materials with image textures look fine tho

[desert elk]

are white emissions set over the whole texture?

it happened to me before and that was the reason why

[chilly solar]

i mean i dont know

how would i check or change that

[desert elk]

idk, I don't use toon lit, but I assume it has emissions somewhere in there

search the options

[chilly solar]

i have outlines that are emission

they turn white when set to toon lit as well

do tool lit materials NEED to be an image texture?

[untold minnow]

I’m trying to do textures

But everything is purple

Can anyone tell me why?

[desert elk]

you have face orientation enabled

probably

[untold minnow]

and do you know any

alternatives

from substance painter that I could use to textures

[jolly ingot]

is the vrchat head chop script tied directly to the veiw point orb?

[jolly ingot]

not any 3d unless you want to do blender, but with 2d textures you can use gimp

[timid kite]

why is the map crooked? what did i press?

[somber sequoia]

ArmorPaint seems quite nice, it's free if you build it from source, and pretty cheap if not

[ashen jay]

all of my params are synced, but still cannot be seen by other pc users?

[somber meadow]

Your quest and pc parameters file need to have the same order

[somber sequoia]

ideally just use the same file

[ashen jay]

will this effect both pc? im saying me and the other person are both on pc

[austere bay]

My viewport is completely fine in desktop but in vr it's too low, like around my neck. What can I do about that? T-T

[ebon bolt]

What does the physbone overlay mean on my avatar, like theres so many different colors that aren’t explained at all

[jovial sphinx]

can someone help me figure out how to get like neon hair and nails for my avi?

[left gull]

like what does each colour mean? (green is collider white sphere/capsule is phybone's collision radius/white line is actual phybone/blue is the direction/angles the phybone is limited to or will move it iirc)

[ebon bolt]

ohhh okay tysm

[left gull]

bring the raw image texture to an image editor (gimp,MSpaint,firealpaca,photoshop etc) and overlay the desired neon colour on it

or do those same steps but use just white on a seperate layer and save it as a seperate image (make sure to make the background transparent or black before saving as the new image) then set it up as an emission map so you can animate it to be different colours in your shader

[lilac hawk]

how would i setup this rig?
I tried making it use the humanoid base but the shape is off so i figure i have to use a custom IK system, ive got finalIKStub but i dont really know how to configure it and i cant find any good tutorials for vrchat with it.

any advice/tutorials that would help me out?

[ionic sundial]

I'm getting this error several times. I've checked all my materials but I'm not sure where mipmap settings are located

[somber sequoia]

it's a checkbox in the inspector for an image file. usually there's an "auto fix" button in the SDK build window

[ionic sundial]

ah gotcha

the auto fix thing only showed up for a few textures but not all of them

[somber sequoia]

ah that makes sense - it'll only know about what's currently on the avatar

[jovial sphinx]

working on it

idk how to make the hair and nails neon tho.

[austere bay]

it's all about shaders and textures, I'm not sure what you want people here to do?

you just kinda have to play around w materials

until you get what you want

I'd recommend using poiyomi

then you don't have to really use textures, you can make some simple pink materials without textures

[jovial sphinx]

this the first time making an avitar and im stuggling to findout whats what

i got updated gogo on it

[austere bay]

there's loads of youtube videos on using materials, esp poiyomi (poiyomi is free)

[ionic sundial]

went through and turned on mip streaming for every texture and its working now. thanks for your help !

[austere bay]

in the nicest way possible you do have to just do it

like you have to mess around with unity

you have to make mistakes

thats how you get better at making avatars

[somber sequoia]

I'm assuming by "neon" you mean using emissions

[austere bay]

they could just get an error shader

very pink

then they'd get the colour they want

[somber sequoia]

@jovial sphinx I'd be happy to help here, if you'd like to ask again.

[chilly solar]

im having 2 problems here, first, im trying to build and test my avatar but it sayd "this avatar does not contain an animator, you need to add an animator component for the avatar to work" but i just did it before with an unfinished version of this avatar and didnt have a problem. im not sure what to add to fix this. also, i made my blend shapes for the visemes in blender and cant figure out how to get them in unity. i select my body as my mesh and they just arent there, im not sure what to do for that either

[ornate stump]

If all blendshape doesn't exist in unity that mean your mesh object has unapplied modifier other than armature in blender.

[chilly solar]

i mean i have solidify for outlines but thats it, i have modifiers applied on export tho

[ornate stump]

That's the problem.

[chilly solar]

ahh okay, what should i do

oh i cant apply it with blend shapes?

[ornate stump]

You have to somehow apply modifer while in editing.

[chilly solar]

well how can i do that

[ornate stump]

If modifier can apply as shapekey then use that option.

[chilly solar]

it doesnt :c

[ornate stump]

Then that's unfortunate.

[chilly solar]

im making this avi for my sister and shes fine with the mouth not moving, so ill look past it for now

do you know what i can do about it saying i need an animator tho?

[somber sequoia]

https://github.com/przemir/ApplyModifierForObjectWithShapeKeys
This is a thing that often (but not always) works

[ornate stump]

It's commonly because you didn't configure rig as humanoid in unity fbx import.

[weak briar]

isnt this like skkeeper ?

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what that is

[weak briar]

an addon that lets you apply modifiers on objects that have blendshapes, normally that wouldnt be possible as known

[somber sequoia]

ah then it sounds like it

I've been using this one for a few years, haven't heard of that one

[weak briar]

these functions are really handy to have, and I also used it in my project

[weak briar]

yeah I guess they serve the same purpose but are different developers

[somber sequoia]

makes sense.

[weak briar]

just preference what to use in that case

[somber sequoia]

I actually wrote one the other day to clean up unused vertex groups, just something I needed.

[weak briar]

you mean you wrote your own plugin/script ?

[somber sequoia]

yeah

[weak briar]

bruh, i could never. im too stupid for that

[somber sequoia]

I've been a software engineer for a long time

[weak briar]

I had computer science in highschool and then never again

[weak briar]

handy to have those skills

-print "Hello World"

[chilly solar]

so i got rid of my outline so i can have visemes instead of just not having them, but they still wont work. they show up in unity now but dont work in game

this is what it looks like in unity

[ornate stump]

All viseme slot must be assigned, uniquely.

[chilly solar]

so i NEED every one of those?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[chilly solar]

thats funky i swear i didnt do them all months ago when i did this for another avatar but it WAS months ago so idk

[soft lance]

I'm getting this error when trying to export my vrm in unity:

NotImplementedException: URP exporter not implemented
VRM.VrmMaterialExporterUtility.GetValidVrmMaterialExporter () (at Assets/VRM/Runtime/IO/MaterialIO/VrmMaterialExporterUtility.cs:13)

[somber sequoia]

you don't usually need to export from Unity, you could just take the model file (likely FBX) and turn that into a vrm

[soft lance]

I did changes to the model in unity and was trying to export it like vrm to test some stuff
watching tutorials I see they use the VRM0>Export Export VRM0.x... that is the one I do when getting the error

[remote sail]

uploading an avatar to PC but it won't let me upload it because it goes over the Android size limits

[mild solar]

adding decals to an avatar’s face material. and for some reason every new decal i add, it won’t let me change the alpha value when trying to animate a toggle for it.

but the decals already in the material from when i bought the avi are able to have their alpha changed

[ornate stump]

Try switching build target back and forth, or restart unity.

[ornate stump]

Have you mark the new decal property as animated on whatever property you want to animate?

[remote sail]

restarting unity fixed it, thanks!

[mild solar]

TYSMM

[proper steppe]

i am really lost here, i switched to 2022.3.22f1 everytime i open the control panel i get this and it doenst stop

[proper storm]

Can you randomize properties from objects with parameter drivers?

[timber wharf]

@proper storm uh, theres random for param driver, wdym from objects

[proper storm]

component properties

from objects

[timber wharf]

via animation

[proper storm]

but thats not random

[timber wharf]

uh, use motion time

[proper storm]

unless there is a component that can do that

[timber wharf]

like say you want random color, make animation that shifts hue from min on frame 0 to max on frame 1 ie every possible value is present. set param via driver as random float 0 to 1. play animation with motion time as that param. done, you have random color

[proper storm]

Ah I already get what you mean

thats easy enough

Its very scuffed way of doing it, but probably the only way lol

[timber wharf]

avatars in a nutshell

[proper storm]

indeed

[violet sundial]

could anyone fluent in blender help me out with this? I dragged an asset in that I didnt need and now its doing this, and I wanna remove it cuz its not neede dbut I cant find out how to get rid of it

nevermind it just fixed itself

im so lost

[proper storm]

unity moment

[spark walrus]

What is a realistic amount of polygons for a public kitbashed avatar? Mine currently has 200k

[proper steppe]

I went back to 2022.3.6f1 , it made me delete modular avatar and my project went back to imprting everything .

[somber meadow]

you have a corrupted state machine somewhere in your avatar descriptor's animators, look through your animator layers for a completely empty layer and delete it

[proper steppe]

I will look for that when it finish import

[ornate stump]

Under 70k. Regardless of kitbashed or not, doesn't matter.

[desert elk]

yeah, try to aim around 70k

it may be unrealistic with some of the bases, but it's always good to try

[somber meadow]

Depends of what you're targeting

Don't base your tri count off VRChat's ancient tri count value for performance ranks on PC (The 70k poor rank was made when the Nvidia 10 series GPUs were still the most used). Modern GPUs (I'll throw in 3060 or higher) can deal with millions of tris in a render pass fairly quickly the only issue is just bad topology. It's fine if you're slightly above 70k like 130k, VRChat's way more CPU limited either way and you should focus on that more, you'd want to optimize material slots and animator layers a lot more than anything.

For Quest, I would actually take consideration for the perf ranks since the platform's hardware is more simple

[spark walrus]

It is so rare to see any avatar with 70k or less polys

[timber wharf]

while trying to keep my stuff medium for sake of it id say 200k is fine

[spark walrus]

The Zinpia Low poly base uses 25k

[somber meadow]

200k is definitely fine for majority of modern GPUs, if you're getting over like 300k I'd probably take consideration

[spark walrus]

Ok thank you. Going to start making public avatars and was looking for a good hard limit for myself for polys

[somber meadow]

oh public

[spark walrus]

Yes public

[somber meadow]

Public avatars are kinda iffy for me as I usually optimize the most I can everywhere (Using UDIM tile discards, and minimizing material slots), privates are more of just passion projects of what I can mess with

[spark walrus]

Im planning on optimizing every way I can

And every way I know how

[timber wharf]

would be cool if they introduced local slider for stats, ie you set it to x2 (or x0.5, x10, anything) and your shield now blocks not 70k but 140k, not 32 but 64 materials etc. that way theyd put responsibility onto player while making shields usefull again, since ye, 90% of avis are beyond very poor. pc only ofc, quest already runs like ass.

[somber meadow]

Yeah I wouldn't think VRChat would give players control of perf ranking

[timber wharf]

so yeah, for now pc ranking is straight useless. like, it should be normal distribution with most of avis being medium, not 90% failure not enforced in any way.

[wind skiff]

kinda pointless if the most lenient setting blocks 90% of avatars still

when only 20% of those cause 80% of the lag

[timber wharf]

@wind skiff uh, 700k?

[spark walrus]

I need help

[desert elk]

#creator-companion

post it there

[spark walrus]

i need a fix asap

[timber wharf]

it complains about face tracking. when it happens, on vcc launch or later?

[keen orbit]

Has anyone been having issues with their SDK not reconizing humanoid models?

[timber wharf]

have you set it to humanoid rig on import?

[keen orbit]

ya

[wind skiff]

an avatar with 700k tris could outperform one with 60k

[keen orbit]

its just decided all my models arent in humanoid even when getting the settings turned off and one

on*

[wind skiff]

you probably have some error in the rig definition

[ornate stump]

Does it have error in the rig config menu?

[wind skiff]

show the full editor

[keen orbit]

ok!

sorry for the first one

accident copied both

[ornate stump]

What does it show in the sdk?

[timber wharf]

you got red errors

[wind skiff]

looks fine, what's telling you that it isn't humanoid?

[timber wharf]

probly sdk is not even working to point where it supposed to figure out the rig

[keen orbit]

the SDk let me take a pic

[wind skiff]

and what was the error you got while uploading or entering play mode?

[wind skiff]

the red error just says that a preprocessor (like ndmf or vrcfury) threw an error

[keen orbit]

like the model is just getting started so im used to the red circles

not the triangle

[desert elk]

did you try switching to generic and back?

[keen orbit]

ya

[wind skiff]

select the letstrythis object and screenshot the inspector for it

[keen orbit]

thats my go to

[desert elk]

I see

[keen orbit]

ok

you wanted like whats in the inspevtor right?

i started clipping without askin

causee thats my fury stuff

[sweet pulsar]

How do I stop unity from doing... whatever this is. It doesn't happen on blender

[ornate stump]

The avatar slot in animator component isn't the avatar of the model.

[keen orbit]

oh my goodness ok thats so silly

[wind skiff]

also, do not assign vrcfury generated files to your avatar permanently

[keen orbit]

whats that

[wind skiff]

that

just reset both to default

[keen orbit]

ok!

Thank you yall for your help as silly as it was

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[wind skiff]

you're limited to 4 skin weights in unity/vrchat

only the four highest weights on a vertex are kept, the rest are discarded

if you select one of those vertices and check the Item tab, does it show more than 4 vertex groups on it?

[sweet pulsar]

I have identified and checked the verts individually

that being the case do I tediously fix it

or is there a solution

[wind skiff]

the only thing i can think of right now is the robust weight transfer plugin, which has an option to limit vertices to 4 skin weights each

[sweet pulsar]

Blender can limit total weights, but then I would have to go and fix the weight painting of every bone before normalizing it

[wind skiff]

maybe do that on a small area first, to verify that this is actually the problem, then do it with the rest of the mesh

[main copper]

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[timber wharf]

https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer?tab=readme-ov-file

or build a test one and https://vsk.lox9973.com/abstat/ (i think test builds dont cap)

oh, tho you dont need second one cause you hit uncompressed limit, not 200mb compressed one

also https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

[main copper]

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[small hare]

how can i change this logo

is that even possible?

[desert elk]

idk if it is with vrcfury

[small hare]

it is with vrc fury 🙂

[desert elk]

manually I could tell you how

I know that you can change icons of toggles with vrcfury

but I'm not sure if the "next" menu can be changed as well

[desert elk]

that's a lot of textures

[main copper]

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[desert elk]

try lowering their resolution

and if it doesn't work you may need to merge some in blender

[timber wharf]

@main copper so all 21mb textures are 4k, downscale them to 2k or smth

[desert elk]

yeah

4k is too much

[main copper]

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[desert elk]

yes

resize them to be smaller

[main copper]

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[timber wharf]

yes and apply, you can see uncompressed size on preview

[desert elk]

yes

[timber wharf]

(unless you use crunch)
(dont use crunch like ever)

[main copper]

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[ornate stump]

It's for further download size reduction with even lower quality. Doesn't affect texture file size.

[timber wharf]

@main copper crunch only changes download size, but whole avi is getting compressed anyway so it is not making as much of a difference as it shows, ie if you crunch and texture became from 10mb to 1mb in preview window, that doesnt mean your download size will get 9mb less, probly like 1mb. and it makes stuff look worse. and again, doesnt benefit actual game performance in no way.

[wind skiff]

crunch causes a frametime spike when you load an avatar cause it pauses to uncrunch all the textures

if you have a lot of crunched textures, uncrunching takes a while

[still shuttle]

Huh that's weird cuz I crunch compress all my textures, they never look bad, and it takes down the overall texture memory like crazy. I've had avatars go from lagging the shit out of me to not only cuz I didn't crunch compress textures lmao

[left gull]

most textures arent super detailed to begin with (or rely on normal maps to give the detail) so lowering the texture wont really effect em

same with crunching them (though ive had issues with it looking entirely different in-game when using it)

[wind skiff]

ur probably confusing crunch for lowering resolution or changing the format

crunch has zero impact on texture memory/vram, only on filesize

[still shuttle]

Not really, most of my textures stay at 2048 or the slightly lower one, I literally watch it work lmao

I've been doin it from the very beginning, it's even helped me lower quest avis who where just slightly too big

[wind skiff]

filesize wise maybe

[timber wharf]

@still shuttle crunched texture is uncompressed into normal dxt into vram

crunched texture itself takes some moment to uncompress on load but idk, some people say it does lag spike them

[wind skiff]

a bunch of crunched 4k tex will cause a lagspike, especially on older cpus

[still shuttle]

All I'm saying is it's always been a factor that has helped me massively with avatars and it's never caused a lag spike for me

[wind skiff]

it doesn't reduce vram usage or prevent avatars from lagging the shit out of you though

[sleek agate]

Cute?

I don't know why, but the hair seems off to me.. can anyone point out the problem?

[desert elk]

i think the hair looks good

[sleek agate]

Making the front hair a little longer seems to have fixed whatever was putting me off

The best way to describe it, was it felt like someone just got a doll and put hair on it.. idk

[delicate olive]

personally I think the hair looks too big for the head

that's why it looks unnatural

[sweet crypt]

does anyone know how to fix this

[desert elk]

you need to delete some parameters

you have too many

[sweet crypt]

thats why is failed to upload the file?

[desert elk]

most likely

you can check the console like it says

[sweet crypt]

im stupid and dont know what this means

[true flower]

NOT STUPID: You just don't use the same logic Unity does for terms and meanings. I'm hitting the same wall, constantly.

[sweet crypt]

i usally just give up but im in a motovaited mood

[true flower]

Waves flags and pom poms Go! Go! Go! Go! 🥳

[sweet crypt]

also its 11 pm at night and im bored so minus well try to learn how to fix it. id google it but idek what to look up

[true flower]

That's the problem with 'kids these days' and using "just Google it" as a default reply: We WOULD if we knew the search terms to use

[sweet crypt]

from the unity discussion page it says it could be because the browser i use but i dont know how that would effect it

[true flower]

Looking over your screenshots, I'm seeing some familiar problems: It looks like Poiyomi (the shader) is snarled up somehow and causing calls to parts that aren't responding. My first (and best) guess would be to start your upload procedure over from scratch (A whole new profile in VRCC, a whole new project, etc.) and to follow the upload instructions TO THE LETTER. can't skip anything or 'improve' any parts, just do what it says and nothing else.

That might not work, but you can at least eliminate it from the possible causes.

[balmy barn]

too generic message, restart unity try building again - then look at console , incase some script derped

[sweet crypt]

in other words my best bet is simply trash this file and restart

[balmy barn]

yellow errors can sometime tell you connecting to asw ect failed

[true flower]

Harsh, but it's worked for me in the past

[sweet crypt]

sigh was trying to avoid making a new project but what has to be done so be it. ill give it a try.

[true flower]

Oh! And when you DO get it working, remember to go back into File Explorer and delete all the not-working folders. They take up massive amounts of space.

[balmy barn]

no one said make a new project, sometime scripts imported doesnt behave properly until unity is restarted (had one 2 days ago)

[desert elk]

copy project, remove some parameters from the copy. Does it upload? Issue found
You don't need to delete the one you have now. You experiment on a new one/copy of this one

and always restart unity as a first step

[true flower]

Mmmm... Listen to the others. Use mine as a fallback if nothing else works.

[warped moss]

I'm running into an issue with my avatar's eye movements while setting up face tracking. Everything else is working smoothly, and the facial expressions feel really fluid, but my eyes are stuck moving together.. I can't get them to move independently or go cross-eyed. It makes the expressions feel a bit stiff.

Has anyone else dealt with this before? Any tips on how to fix it would be really appreciated!

[primal cliff]

heyy does anybody know how i can toggle with vrcfury when i toggle one outfit one that the second outfit is auto toggled off?

[mental estuary]

Exclusive tags

https://vrcfury.com/components/toggle#exclusive-tags

[frail temple]

Quick question, which bone should i merge all the weights to? since this rig has 3 fingers but the mesh only needs one

Should i put all the weight data on the ring finger, middle finger or little finger?

[formal fulcrum]

I need to find and overwrite the default finger idle animation. I have no idea how to find it, or override it, since it doesnt play in the editor.

[true flower]

Complicated question: The margin between walking and running on my avatar doesn't seem to be wide enough-- actually I don't seem to be running at all, just walking at top speed no matter how far forward I push the stick. I'm looking at Playable Layers>Base and seeing a complicated workflow (is that the right word?) under Locomotion, which includes boxes for Walk Forwards and Run. What I'm not seeing is where to adjust where one end and the other begins.

According to the Googles, "Speed" refers to how fast the animation plays. Am I overthinking? Am I looking in the wrong place? What is the logic I need to be using? I need a nudge. Help! 😅

[trim scaffold]

I messed my avatar up somehow and REALLY don't wanna start over if I can avoid it. The lip-syncing doesnt seem to be working at all when I speak. Only happens on this one avatar, and all the manual expressions work just fine.

I think it started when I copied the avatar and re-set everything up (I have a custom mesh). I've seen some people online say that it could have something to do with the "override" but I'm not seeing anything wrong in my settings and I'm not sure where to look. Anybody have any ideas?

Everything else works just fine. Just no mouth movey when talky 🥺

[austere bay]

are your bones all mapped correctly in the import settings?

sometimes if you have something mapped to the jaw it doesn't work

[heavy zephyr]

So you have a custom base layer then right? The slot isn't empty?

If so, do you know where it comes from? Because most often it will either be empty or one from gogoloco and both of those are fine.

[trim scaffold]

nothing on the jaw. I read about that one too and there's nothing there.

Am convinced it has something to do with me duplicating the original

[austere bay]

have you got legacy blend shapes on?

[trim scaffold]

these settings seem to match my other working model. (opening the working version to double check)

[true flower]

Yes, it's a custom base layer, came with the avatar-- a freebie, but still produced by a creator that is not me. I have an email that I'm still puttering with to ask them about another part (complicated and not (I believe) relevant here), so yes, asking them is an option... but me learning what the heck I'm doing is kinda the real overarching goal, here.

[austere bay]

what do your layers look like in the sdk? maybe that's causing it?

otherwise I'm not really sure, you could check all the blend shapes definitely work in blender

then export the fbx again and reimport into unity?

[heavy zephyr]

That's fair. Tho for a start you could try simply removing that base layer and seeing if it solves the issue (without breaking other things).

If it does, you can keep it like that and take your time to learn more about that base layer.

[timber wharf]

it should be middle ofc cause quest-type controllers dont track ring or pinky

[true flower]

That's... an option. I mean I backed it up before I started this part of my futzing so I can go back to square one if I have to... OK, I'll try that and see what I can learn from that point. Thanks! 😁

[heavy zephyr]

I wouldn't be against looking at it further with you but there's no telling how messed up it could be since it's a custom one. That's why I mentioned trying that first so at least your avatar functions properly in the meantime

[frail temple]

Oh , should i move the middle finger to the middle of the mesh aswell?

[timber wharf]

hm not sure if it matters much, just test how it curls

[true flower]

The real problem is, I don't know the words I need to look this stuff up, and I don't know the logic or the process to make guesses (yet). I'll get there, it's not rocket surgery after all, but I do expect to be annoying with questions for a good while, yet. 😅

[timber wharf]

well for sure paint it properly first

[frail temple]

Got it, will come back to you once it's good enough to upload to vrchat

[timber wharf]

@true flower click on lines connecting those states, thats where conditions are defined. also check if theyre actually show run animation in the preview

top speed of player is 4

[heavy zephyr]

I could get on a VC with you to help. You also have access to the vrchat creator docs and a template base layer in the avatar SDK that you can look at

As well as the unity docs when it comes to the rest

[true flower]

Tried that. Not going to pretend they weren't there, but I didn't recognize anything as such.

[timber wharf]

oh tho its probly 2d blend tree

being locomotion and such

[true flower]

I find those a bit hard to read-- like a parts catalog when I need the instruction manual (or more accurately, the "For Dummies" book). But we persevere... 😅

[heavy zephyr]

Alright, when I finish eating dinner do you want to get in a VC so I can look at it?

[true flower]

Ah, I can't (RL, donchaknow) but thanks... I'll bang away at it and gather up another question later 😅

[heavy zephyr]

Alright, good luck!

[mossy jacinth]

anyone know if its possible to make physbones with two connected points? like a bridge

[supple adder]

Heya, was wondering what the best way is to turn gestures into toggles. I want to get fingertracking soon, but until then, I want to make the finger gestures into toggles and turn off the finger gestures. Is there an easy way or good tutorial for it?

[somber sequoia]

it is not

[mossy jacinth]

VRC animator tracking control my beloved

[thick oar]

gamers

[heavy zephyr]

Simply add a bool to your parameters list, menu and animator.

Then add this bool = false as a condition to go to any gesture that isn't neutral. Also make a transition from anystate to neutral when you bool is true.

[thick oar]

if i change the bone hierarchy to match the whole chest needs to be above neck thing does that break my animations

also how do i get back to that menu

[somber sequoia]

inspector for the .fbx file, "rig" tab, "configure" button

[thick oar]

thankers

but still, does that break my animations

[somber sequoia]

yeah it would. You could try using hfcRed's animation repathing thing, or just manually edit them if there aren't that many

[thick oar]

68 bones

ill try the repathing plugin

[violet sundial]

if I were to try and change the clothing on a premade model, how would I do that?

I have the files and stuff for the clothing that I want but its on a different avatar base and not the active one im using rn

currently looks like this, trying to give myself a hoodie

[somber sequoia]

you want to put clothing made for one avatar base onto another?

[violet sundial]

no, all theclothing I want is in the files

but I have no clue how to switch it out

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure how that answered my question

[violet sundial]

how do you want me to answer it??

its the same base

I just dont know how to switch the clothing

[somber sequoia]

oh ok, 'cause you said "different avatar base"

[violet sundial]

okay well thats my bad

now we're on the same page

[somber sequoia]

yep, just trying to understand the problem 🙂

well if the clothing is all separate objects in Unity you can simply delete the ones you don't want, and add the new ones, then figure out how to attach it, something like VRCFury's ArmatureLink is useful here.

[violet sundial]

its on different avatars in the files, im just trying to rip the clothing from one onto the other

[somber sequoia]

well if the clothing are separate model files, you can just drag them into the new scene

[violet sundial]

I cant really access it seperately, thats what im trying to do

[somber sequoia]

ah, probably then bring the model into blender and split it up into the parts you want

[violet sundial]

can I try and streamthis to you maybe?

Its hard to explain through text

[somber sequoia]

that's not really something I do

[violet sundial]

well Im not sure what to do them

IM just gonna be honset, its not helping

and im not experienced enough to thoroughly explain the problem

would you have any idea if these files play a place in it?

[silver flame]

I like optimizing for quest since its a challenge, im only struggling with physbones, like idk what ones to keep, what ones to get rid of

[somber sequoia]

.meta files are stuff Unity adds, don't delete them, and if you move any file that has one, move the .meta file along with it.

Otherwise .mat is a material, and .png is an image file

[tardy walrus]

I just bought this model but idk how to open it in blender to do the textures. im not gonna pay for an expesnive ahh adobe software
https://kittomatic.gumroad.com/l/Novabeast?layout=profile&recommended_by=library

if anyone knows how to get it to open lmk TuT

[desert elk]

well, what do you have now?

[mossy jacinth]

should be a feature in the near future