avatar-help

[somber sequoia]

Is there an error in the console window? there's really nothing here to go on...

[green prawn]

I know am confused and it confused my friends and I don't see any error messages

I try few things like reinstalled, turn on and off, I try window and android, updated, and relouded etc

[dawn root]

So I made an Avatar
And it says it uploads to quests
But when I get on it’s PC only
Anyone have the same issue or a Fix?

[indigo compass]

It is a bit unclear, but did you upload it for Quest?
PC and Quest versions need to be uploaded individually (with the same blueprint ID, so VRChat knows it is the same avatar).

[dawn root]

Yes I uploaded it to PC and Quest

[tiny gorge]

I have a problem with the avatar I'm trying to build and test. After I set up the avatar I was trying to build, I pressed build and test and it said it was building the avatar, and so I waited for some time but it still said "building avatar" and so I kept it building trough the night, hoping to see it done when I woke up, and when I woke up, it still said building avatar.

[indigo compass]

Never heard of it failing to upload a version, it should have given you an error when you tried.
Is your SDK up to date and did you upload the version while you were already on VRChat?

[dawn root]

No everything said it was uploaded before I got on
One of my buddies has the same problem as me
And it never gave me an error or anything

[indigo compass]

And you are on the latest SDK?

Nothing should have broken SDK wise, but they did introduce security stuff a bit ago that I think required using a newer SDK.

Another thing they introduced was server-side checking of avatars which I know for a bit meant avatars were slow to update, not noticed any slowness recently though.

[snow sluice]

hello I need your help I am bad at blender but I really want to put one outfit to a avatar if you can help me please DM me

[livid rapids]

You could use vrcfury. Its free to download and very easy! There's also plenty of tutorials for it as well.

its mostly an armature link, so its quite easy even for a newbie like me.

[snow sluice]

he don't get it the body for the avatar is pretty big you know what I mean

[livid rapids]

Is the clothing made for your base? If not it's not going to work out as expected.

[snow sluice]

of course it won't work because this Avatar is from @keen dock and the bodies from the avatars are big like big 🍑 and big 🍒

[livid rapids]

I'm pretty sure if you look at the model itself, it might have some blend shape/adjustment to change the size of those body parts. I can't really help you much since I don't even have an image of your situation.

[dawn root]

It might be that

[livid rapids]

Anyone know how to fix this? Literally been struggling and i haven't found any fix to it🙏

like i swear i fixed it myself and then i messed up AGAIN

[somber sequoia]

can't really tell which bone you're referring to or why that would happen

[unique cloud]

Trying some shapekey stuff. Is there any way to additively override a shapekey? Basically so that a shapekey is at /minimum/ what an animation dictates, but can be overridden to be 100 by another animation?

[snow sluice]

bro did not tell you I am bad at blender

[unique cloud]

I tried an additive layer, but that doesn't do anything, and leaving the layer on replace mode just hard overrides the shapekey value

[livid rapids]

the blue one that i selected is the bone im reffering to.

[somber sequoia]

looks like a root bone I guess?

[livid rapids]

Weird, I've started my rig with the hips bone, which that should be the root bone

[somber sequoia]

Can you show the bone hierarchy from the root down to say, upper leg and shoulder, in Blender?

[livid rapids]

Blender wise the rig looks fine as well? So its really confusing for me as well.

[livid rapids]

yeah sure hold on

[livid rapids]

Actually this screenshot is it.

Yeah its the bone hierarchy itself

[somber sequoia]

no I meant in the hierarchy tree on the right in Blender

[livid rapids]

Oh i get it hold on

[somber sequoia]

oh no, did you figure it out?

[livid rapids]

No i meant on what "hierarchy tree" you meant

i suppose its this? i never heard the term before so

[somber sequoia]

yeah in there, open the "Armature" one up and get enough open so we can see the hierarchy of bones

just down to upper leg/arm is probably fine to start

We're looking at bone parenting

[livid rapids]

Alright. From what I see the hips are the root but also the hair root is its own thing? Maybe I should change that

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I'd make the parent of Hair_Root be Head

[livid rapids]

Let me do that and see if its fixed

Finally! It works!

[somber sequoia]

excellent!

[livid rapids]

Jesus the times i struggled hours on something just for an easy fix to be found after that struggle 😭

Thanks a lot!

[somber sequoia]

haha yeah I'm working on such a thing right now myself, so I totally get that

[unique cloud]

found a solution, I took the shapekey's keyframes and put them into a blendtreet, then used a float to blend between the shapekeys and an absolute value, works like a charm now!

[lone flax]

Please help, idk how to make like folders for my toggles on my avatar so it's very messy

[naive bough]

Hi there! I'm very new to texturing and uploading my own avatars, is substance painter the only program you can use to apply prepaid textures? I can't seem to figure out how to get any of my prepaid textures on any of my models

[somber sequoia]

probably it depends on what kind of files you got

usually textures come in just plain image files, you wouldn't need Substance for that

[indigo compass]

It would only delay it by a few minutes.

[spark walrus]

does anyone know how to fix this? so I'm able to pop up unity but I can not open the unity project

[proper orbit]

if anybodys knows whats causing this issues please help

[grim mantle]

Anyone know what dose this mean

[boreal kettle]

hey im making a flamethrower avatar and i rigged and weight painted the flame thrower it self onto a tank on the back and i want to animate it going to the hand bone and the off animation being back to where it was its just i cant get it to work, its weird and i dont understand how to explain it, if someone can hop on a call and try and help that would be fine

[indigo compass]

Never seen before, guessing custom error from something you imported talking about parameter bits.

Assuming that is correct then remove enough things from the parameter list to free up 27 bits.
Each bool is 1 bit, floats and ints I think were both 8.

[grim mantle]

so like what i need to dealet some things

[boreal kettle]

i fixed it nvm

[indigo compass]

If you have vrcfury or modular avatar prefabs then remove one or a few of those first.

Removing things from the parameter list is only something you should do if you know what you are doing.

Because it is annoyingly slow to fix

[grim mantle]

ok will try

[indigo compass]

The SDK is annoyed if you remove parameters used in the menu.
But if you know things in your radial menu that you don't want then you could remove it from the menu and then the parameter list.

Best case there might be unused parameters in the parameter list.

[pure isle]

anyone know how to prevent this? she is in the right position in unity and blender but sinks down in game

[lone flax]

Please help, idk how to make Submenus for my toggles on my avatar so it's very messy I use vrcfury btw

[junior void]

Define the menu path like pc folder paths, names separated by a /

[lone flax]

wdym?

[junior void]

How is that not clear

[somber meadow]

In your menu path of the VRCFury toggle component, use slashes like a folder path for example what is originally Shirt would be Clothes/Shirt

[lone flax]

I'm sorry I am very new to unity as a whole

Ohhhh

Okay so like this

[somber meadow]

yep

[lone flax]

Omg thank you so much you're a life saver

[somber meadow]

it'll make a submenu called Devices, then have the toggle in there called laptop

[lone flax]

Tysm

[light charm]

hey uh guys is it necessary to use the "vrc spatial audio" script on audio sources? (i'm using unity 2019 btw)

[somber meadow]

yes or your audio source's spatial settings won't work and be applied for you on a default value, doesn't matter which Unity you use but I'd recommend updating always to the latest version recommended by VRChat

[light charm]

are you sure? that script has been causing "stuttering" problems with my audio

[somber meadow]

what settings did you apply to the vrc spatial audio source component

[light charm]

the default

[somber meadow]

I'd recommend enabling Use AudioSource Volume Curve, this'll stop it from using VRChat's own audio falloff implementation and you can properly test audio sources within Unity

[light charm]

ohhh okay
thanks!
i'll try that

[ocean vault]

for some reason this animation is not working properly, i have it so it will loop but it only loops the first second of the animation? is their something im missing

all of my added animations do this

all of the animations are looped and i have it set to toggle so i dont understand the issue

the default animations work and dont loop the first second of the dance

oh do i need this on?

[winter edge]

my avi has like 2m mesh particle triangles. how do I reduce and what are they?

[indigo compass]

You change the collider setting in the physbone component, hard to tell if it is here, but they can also be shaped based on a graph, so the ends could be thinner or something.
The collider doesn't change how much they move, that is based on the other parameters (don't ask me which one, physbone parameters make little sense to me).

[indigo compass]

Somewhere on your avatar, be it prefab or not, you have a particle system that is spawning either a ton of mesh particles or really detailed mesh particles.

[ocean vault]

is this to old to use on my avatar? i want to use it but the thing is 5 years old and the youtube vid explaining how is like 6 years ago

everything looks different

[rigid glacier]

I need help i wanna edit Kyle eyes but when i go to texture and i edit to have Green eyes It dosent show... Is in diferent fólder or...

Like is pitch black always

[night ember]

pretty sure thats a stolen version of it

[ocean vault]

oh ok well i think im just goign to pick up a model from sketchfab instead or something

or booth idk

[grizzled lichen]

how do i add back the default emotes? [the emotes thing here is empty]

when i added the other toggles it removed the emotes

[night ember]

you need to make the submenu and then have an action menu with the emotes

[grizzled lichen]

do i gotta remake the emote toggles? or is there a way to just bring them back

[night ember]

just make a submenu

[grizzled lichen]

this is what happens when i do that

[night ember]

well did you actually add toggles

[ocean vault]

what is the maximum size of a avatar on quest

[night ember]

10

[ocean vault]

damn

[night ember]

or if you mean uncompressed 40

[ocean vault]

mine is like 200mb

currently

[night ember]

thats excessive even for pc

[grizzled lichen]

i figured it out but i had to re add them

[ocean vault]

also wdym compressed

[night ember]

theres 2 size limits

[ocean vault]

like all i added was my model 30 dances and a toggle

[night ember]

uncompressed and file size

[ocean vault]

is their a way to check in unity

[night ember]

not really since size is calculated on build

[ocean vault]

oh well i guess il see the next time i build and test it

im not sure how big it is but im about to add some new toggles witch are around 70mb total

nvm like 40

[ocean vault]

are sketchfab models to unoptimized for vrc avatars?

or can i use sketchfab

[wraith saffron]

Would really appreciate if someone could help me figure out what all the "Demo", "EW", "N" tags on this model mean. https://booth.pm/en/items/5725322

There are different prefabs with a different prefix, they all seem to be ready to use right away, but I would like to know what their difference between each other is.

[ocean vault]

im afraid that if i use the 15-30mb models i found on sketchfab my avatar will be to big or unoptmized idk

[stuck grotto]

Is there a way to lock the hands in these spots so it looks like he's playing the guitar, but still maintain IK for the rest of the body?

i.e. his hands are holding the guitar, but full body tracking for his hips and legs still works

I'm thinking making the arms have 0 weights and posing them to hold in blender, but if there's something more elegant I'm all ears!

[pure isle]

does anyone have a solution?

[spark walrus]

why would u want to lock them?

if u have vr u can move them there

I'd want to have some magnet mechanism where when I move my hands close to the guitar they snap to it

[stuck grotto]

the theory here is so I can play the guitar IRL and not have it show the way my controllers are off on the table or something lol

[spark walrus]

ah

that wont work

why not make an animation?:

it's not synced but people wont care

[stuck grotto]

would an animation not make IK not work? idk

[spark walrus]

yes

u just see the animation

[stuck grotto]

yeah im trying to be As Immersive As Possible with these lol

[spark walrus]

but if ur hands are totally off position wise, how's this gonna work?

[spark walrus]

.

[oblique marsh]

ok how do i fix these

[stuck grotto]

hands on the guitar, it's fine if they're not tracked with my real hands. but i'd still like to be able to walk around and stuff with my full body tracking

[spark walrus]

when I play animations I can still walk

lik dance animations

I'd animate the arms and hands in unity, and alllow the rest of the body to still move

[timber wharf]

well just run an animation with hands tracking off, using animator states

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[left wharf]

the errors are meaning "you can not show in quest by default because your avatar is very poor. and all physbone are disabled because its count is over limitation for quest, and idk which should i remove."

[spark walrus]

I'm unable to extract from prefab, why is that"?

[oblique marsh]

k, so either i make it pc only or i fix these manually

i'd rather fix them manually

the avatar is going to be very poor anyways bc it has 40000 polygons anyways

i should mention im new to unity and avatar creation, this is my first one i made using vroid studio

[left wharf]

if you need help about optimization, you can ask in #avatar-optimization. good luck!

[oblique marsh]

ok thanks

[stuck grotto]

might be literally what i need thanks!

[oblique marsh]

nvm i just made it pc only, optimization channel is dead lmao

[stuck grotto]

gona look intot his

[oblique marsh]

how do i test my avatar, or do i need to upload it then test it in vrchat?

[night ember]

you can use av3 manager to test toggles and network syncing but actually testing you either just upload it outright and everyone can see the avatar if you switch to it or do a local test upload but you still need to open the game

[ripe zodiac]

Ive been messing around in blender for a while and ended up having an issue where when i merged another mesh onto my avatars mesh it would disappear, if its separate though it wont though, im not sure whats causing it. I havent really done much in blender so im not sure what could be bugging the mesh

[oblique marsh]

oh shit how do i fix this

i will be using standable with this avatar

[tiny dock]

this might not be a good solution but maybe make 2 seperate models, one with arms and one with arms locked to the guitar, then just rig the second arm type to the chest

and then just swap them out in unity

[spark walrus]

this

[left wharf]

i think it's not prefab. it's just fbx.

[spark walrus]

yes

ur right

can I extract anims?

or how do i make use of the anims inside?

[oblique marsh]

@left wharf you know how to fix this?

[left wharf]

maybe you need to go blender. it's probably bone rotation issue.

[spark walrus]

wow I only had to drag the fbx onto the consol

and it popped out the anims

[oblique marsh]

can blender open .vrm files?

if i can i'd rather fix this in unity

[tiny dock]

you can't really edit bones in unity

[oblique marsh]

😭

[dark saddle]

Is there a way to have an object constantly face a specific direction?

Like a compass?

[left gull]

is the problem about the heels?

[pure isle]

Them sinking in game yeah

[left gull]

iirc it bases off where the actual foot bone is located so quickest solution to avoid sinking you'd need to lower the bone closer to the origin point (try lowering it to one of these two points listed with blue)

[pure isle]

Think I could do that in unity

[somber sequoia]

might be an upside-down spine bone? hard to tell without seeing it

[somber sequoia]

drop an object in the world as the "north star", use a rotation constraint or look-at constraint to keep your object pointed at that

[dark saddle]

right but what if the avatar moves?

[somber sequoia]

if you drop a world-anchored object, it won't move, the VRC Constraints can do this

[sterile cedar]

how do i get the face expressions to override gestures so they arent combined when an animation plays on contact (booping)
i get a lot of issues where the eyes clip through themselves when activated might be an easy solution but idk how

[dark saddle]

hows this?

[fallow fiber]

so i asked my friend on pcvr to grab the hair and stretch it on my avatar and it's visible for people on pc. but when i asked my friend on quest to do it only people on quest can see it. also i noticed that them just moving their hand through it is visible on both platforms just the grabbing and posing arent. anyone know how to help?

[spark walrus]

if u have 2 folders of materials 1 for pc 1 for quest is there an easy way to switch materials?

I'm unable to install easyquestswitch

[fiery trail]

Oki a friend of mines can't see a specific avatar. We tried everything and see if it was blocked. He told me that it was the robot default avatar but as a black robot. We don't know how to fix it and he is on Quest.

[left wharf]

try reinstall EasyQuestSwitch.

[spark walrus]

I tried

maybe it got updated?

[static cipher]

bump 5, here's a strange thing to add onto it

[spark walrus]

error is here somewhere

[left wharf]

what version of your VRCQuestTools?

[spark walrus]

2.5.4

[left wharf]

hmm it's latest...
actually i tried to install both of VQT & EasyQuestSwitch now, but it just worked...

[spark walrus]

yes

for my other projects just works]

yesterdat

[left wharf]

omg ok soooo

try remove Library folder. i wish you know where Library folder is.

oo wait, before remove Library folder, you need to close Unity editor

[spark walrus]

I clicked reimport all

[pure isle]

would this mess up with how the feet are currently positioned?

[left wharf]

not reimport all. "remove Library folder" after close the Unity Editor

[hard turtle]

sorry for the ping like this right?

[arctic laurel]

mighty be dumb qeustion but anyone know how to fix this

[spark walrus]

fixed

what do i need to make 4 leg animal walk>?

[left wharf]

you can auto fix it.

[arctic laurel]

It's not giving me that option for some reason

[left wharf]

like this

expand sdk window

i can't explain well, so take a screencast

[arctic laurel]

I reopened the scene and it was fixed idk lol but thank you for the help 🙂

[left gull]

it shouldnt though you'll likely need to adjust your weightpainting a bit if you plan on using it in FBT

[spark walrus]

why's this happening?

[fallow fiber]

so i asked my friend on pcvr to grab the hair and stretch it on my avatar and it's visible for people on pc. but when i asked my friend on quest to do it only people on quest can see it. also i noticed that them just moving their hand through it is visible on both platforms just the grabbing and posing arent. anyone know how to help?

[pure isle]

i do though im not well versed in fixing weight issues just yet

[left gull]

its not that difficult/confusing once you figure out what each button/tool does, it just gets a little time consuming (if you're struggling with figuring it out try searching blender weightpainting rather then vrchat also this video is personally what i used when learning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fICQmBEt4Y though its not super in-depth )

did you make sure to remove the avatar ID in the pipeline manager?

do you know where the avatar descriptor is? it'd be either above or under it in the inspector tab

[low furnace]

i need help regarding chairs on avatars
adding the chair was done easily but it's the fact that the person sitting is seemingly offset for whoever has the chair?

for example,
this is what the sitter + everyone else sees when the chair is being used

and this is what it looks like to the person who has the chair

• the chair's proper position is seen when the sitter leaves the chair for a split second? so it's not like they're differently placed

[young bear]

that is an issue with a lack network IDs on your physbones. what you need to do is go to your top menu and go to the vrchat sdk panel (not the sdk pop-out window) and enter the network ID utility. You then want to regenerate your IDs and upload for quest and PC again

[soft breach]

hi everyone! im not the most knowledgeable with blender which is why im working on this little passion project to try and learn more, but i for the LIFE of me cannot figure out whats going on here with these eyelashes- any help is appreciated! <3

[copper carbon]

so i am working with a new version of the base i normally use (it has more humanoid hands instead of just paws) and most of the gestures just look ... bad
but ive never done anything with hand gestures before so anyone know how i can make them symmetrical or any packages i can use the animations from?

[copper carbon]

for example here is "gun"

[royal hazel]

how did you fix this?

my viseme int is stuck at 0 ingame

[fallow fiber]

is this correct?

[young bear]

yup. the ones you have are incorrect and are causing the desync

just upload as soon as you're done

[fallow fiber]

alrighty thank u! also do i have to do this every time i do edits in unity or is doing it just once fine?

also i did this twice since my quest and pc avatars are in diff scenes is that still gonna work?

[spark walrus]

how do i make animal walk on 4, i alreayd have the approprioate animes

?

[paper ingot]

please i am going to rip my hair out. this is my first time using unity and figuring these shaders out. i was able to locate and download poiyomi and arktoon successfully...but i am so STUCK trying to find THIS one. i keep looking up 'Flat Lit Toon' shader and im only able to find a github page with this long a** code.... i am so confused and overwhelmed can someone please help direct me i am trying not to cry lol

[spark walrus]

how do i make my 4 leg animal walk?

[young bear]

If i remember correctly, network ID creation is based off of hashing the hierarchy information, so as long as that's the same it should be fine. i could be wrong tho

[young bear]

the only time you'd need to do this is if you end up changing where your physbones are or adding/removing some

[fallow fiber]

yup just confirmed that it works omg tysm!!! i couldn't find anything online lol

[spark walrus]

guys

how to make 4 leg animal in game walk]

do I only need one fx contrioller that's it

or what else?

[left gull]

that shader seems like its meant for MMD not vrchat (especially considering how old the github looks if im looking at the correct thing here it likely wont work) what do you need that specific shader for?

[sturdy comet]

question. does this count as sexually suggestive like the buttcrack peaking?

[spark walrus]

how do i loop animations?

in animatin controller

:?

how

foujnd it

[left gull]

if you've gotta question it then you might aswell just tag it as sexually suggestive

[hidden loom]

Can I make Poyjomi look like standard shader when it comes to interactions with light? I am absolutely new to Poyjomi and always used liltoon but I discovered that the standard shader actually looks really good and is just missing a few extras which poyjomi probably provides.

[left gull]

you could make a emission map or try using poiyomi's sparkle/glitter effect though it wouldnt give the exact same effect, what model are you using that's requiring MMD shaders though as thats a bit odd?

[paper ingot]

a girl i met in 2021 made the eyes on an avi she was wearing and she sent me screenshots of them so i could recreate them myself but i didnt understand anything about avatar making so i never got around to it until now and i can no longer contact her through discord to ask so im just trying to copy the screenshots exactly as i see them, so i just assumed that specific shader was important? i just want the eyes im making for my custom to look exactly as the ones in the photo, really all i care about tbh

and im going off of virtually nothing here so im clinging to the small details

[primal swift]

i tried adding an eye puppet to my avatar a while ago, but now the eyes don't move around with eye look, anyone know how to fix?

[spark walrus]

i dont understand this error

[primal swift]

i think you're supposed to have a component over pipeline manager

[left gull]

^^ Yeah you need to add the animator script

[primal swift]

stroll to the bottom, add component, search animator

[spark walrus]

what's the difference btw FX and controller?

i shgould put AnimalLocomotion into controller slot ?

and delete fx?

what does fx mean?

[left gull]

oh yeah thats quite old, the download for that shaders unitypackage is this https://github.com/DarthShader/Flat-Lit-Toon-MMD-Extension/releases/tag/1.0 though i get the feeling either the SDK wont allow you to use it or it will be broken or laggy/buggy if it does go through (but like i said earlier poiyomi's sparkle/glitter effect is quite similar if it doesnt work )

[paper ingot]

do i just click on and download all 3 of those? or just the first one?

[primal swift]

i'm not sure but i just have my FX controller in controller, it works without it tho

[spark walrus]

yes

where is runnning>?

walk and run

this is the vrclocomotioncontroller

[left gull]

im guessing just the unitypackage but ive never worked with this shader/users content so you'd have to look at their info about it

[knotty kiln]

So, with a vintage freddy avatar with a generic rig, the default locomotion is fine, but when I toggle the secondary locomotion, and toggle it back off, the default locomotion's time constantly restarts and doesn't go all the way through and loop like it should.

[spark walrus]

im not getting forward

need a guide on how to set up new controllers

[knotty kiln]

okay, so in unity right

you just right click in the assets tab, go up to create

and then just scan through the next few things 'till you see "animator controller"

"animator controller" should be located near the middle of the next open slot here @spark walrus

and you basically have it

[livid rapids]

What link mode should I have for the coat to not clip trough the pants? Ive tried tweaking it and haven't found anything that works yet.

[knotty kiln]

the complex of animators depends on how much stuff you want on your avatar

[spark walrus]

yes but how do u set it up?

like all the animations

the tree

[knotty kiln]

alright

[spark walrus]

i have the animations ready but dunno how to apply

[knotty kiln]

so what kind of avi are you intending to make?

what rig?

cause I'm only experienced with generic ones

as i'm used to making those

[spark walrus]

4 legged animal

[knotty kiln]

so if you wanna set up a blendtree, right click right in the animator controller grid screen thing, and create a state

click "empty" when you right click to create the state by the way

and click on the "New State" and click "create new blendtree in state"

and then double click the state

[spark walrus]

wiht a blend tree ok

[knotty kiln]

oh, ykw

i actually have a video

you want to set up a locomotion for your avi right?

[spark walrus]

sure

[knotty kiln]

like a blendtree?

i have a video you can watch

[spark walrus]

opk

ok

i hope it isnt too complicated

[knotty kiln]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CDhptBMMLlp8nvmFj1rk0ms2AAcXGpNQ/view?usp=drive_link

you just gotta follow the yellow mouse curser and do exactly what it does

oh, and first off, in your animator controllers parameter tab

Add 2 new parameters here and name one VelocityX and the other one VelocityZ

and make sure their both set to "Float" @spark walrus

[spark walrus]

Z axis is forward i suppose

[knotty kiln]

right click on the assets tab below, go up to "create" and into "VRChat" > Avatars > Expression Parameters/Expression Menu (Grab both menu and Expression parameters)

name the expressions anything you want, doesnt matter, isn't case sensitively linked to anything important

[spark walrus]

these are menues for in game

wont need them now

just want the ,idle,crouch, walk, run, prone thing work

[knotty kiln]

oh-

ah, nuts

sorry, i dont really know how to help you with all of that, i only know how to create locomotion blendtree's for generic rigs

my bad boss

if you needed help with a generic rigged avatar with one simple locomotion i could absolutely help

but idk..

sorry

[spark walrus]

yes this

my setting looks different

from the video

[spark walrus]

what's that supposed to mean?

[forest zephyr]

anyone ever had issues with import settings?

and thats if i switch to legacy blendshape normals

it's wavy and weird

[oak hemlock]

Anyone have any idea why the VRC sdk wouldnt show up in unity? 3:

not much info on the issue on google, I have the creator companion, it matchs the unity version too

mine doesnt open the same as most other videos I watched, just so confused xD

[left gull]

do you have any errors in console? or duplicate SDKs in your project?

[oak hemlock]

I dont, I try opening it from the CC and it doesnt open the same way as the videos Ive seen on YT, its just not there at all

Ill try it again and show a SS

I reloaded and only one I see is face tracking one at the bottom.

I have gotten a random crash error from the CC before too, but Ive tried reinstalling it like 3 times Dx

[left gull]

what do the 5 yellow errors say?

[oak hemlock]

When I go from here and it asks to open unity it takes me to the unity hub

[oak hemlock]

Its been like three years since I uploaded an avatar but I am so lost, it was so easy before xD

[tardy depot]

I’m new to the server and, I thought this would be the best place to ask for help on this issue I’m having. These shorts I’m trying to attach to this avatar have a lot of clipping when I move the avatar around and on top of that it seems like the physics are working but only on the shorts and it’s somehow negating the physics on the butt and on the right leg pls help

[left gull]

yeah you're getting some errors ive never seen before like "Release of invalid GC handle. The handle is from a previous domain. The release operation is skipped"

[oak hemlock]

Yeah thats usually my luck with these things xD

[left gull]

you could try asking the bot in #1149075823593275504 about some of your errors/your issues though some errors that might be bugging it out are the fact that you're missing scripts it seems like

[oak hemlock]

would that affect the SDK not showing up?

[left gull]

sometimes red errors can bug it out yeah though im not sure if thats 100% the issue in this case

but it'd need to be fixed before upload anyways so might aswell try it out (the facetracking error)

[oak hemlock]

yeah I got it directly from Strawbunnys website, I dont see why it would have issues, all her avatars are great T__T

Would the error be something on my end?

[left gull]

it looks like you might've missed a dependency before importing the model or the one you imported for the face tracking is broken

[oak hemlock]

Even before I import, theres no VRC SDK menu, which is really what Im trying to troubleshoot

On the tuts Ive watched, people already have that at the top menu on their unity 3:

[left gull]

hm try re-importing everything into a new project but dont add the avatar and see if you get the same issue

[oak hemlock]

This avatar was really just to try to upload one since things changed 😛

Does the avatar import make the vrc SDK menu show up?

[left gull]

no but im guessing that either one of the dependecies the avatar uses or the avatar itself is whats causing issues

[oak hemlock]

even when I dont have a project open, the VRC SDK isnt there

Is my creator companion maybe the issue?

Thats where the SDK comes from right?

[left gull]

are you sure you're importing into the correct project?

[oak hemlock]

Im just following tuts from reddit and from youtube.

and VRC itself.

Im honestly not worried this avatar is having issues, Im trying to figure out why I have no VRC SDK menu on unity

[left gull]

would you be able to screen record how you're adding the SDK to your project?

[oak hemlock]

Im supposed to add it?

[left gull]

via CC yeah

[oak hemlock]

Im not sure what you mean

Im just doing what everyone else does on CC

looks like this and then I click open project, but it just opens an empty unity when I do

but not the same at the tutorial videos Ive watched, even though Ive done exactly what theyve done.

(the video was from 3 months ago)

[left gull]

that specific issue i dont know how to fix as i manually just open it with unity hub but try going back some versions to 3.7.0 and see if the SDK shows up

[ornate stump]

You're showing different project from what you opened in unity.

[oak hemlock]

Thats how I did it before, manually but it was 3 years ago and I forgot Dx

[oak hemlock]

So when I do click open project, it doesnt open unity directly, it opens unity hub, so I make a new project?

[ornate stump]

No you must not.

[oak hemlock]

which is the difference in what happens when I follow a tut

it doesnt open unity when I click open project

it opens the hud

if I click open project, it opens this

[ornate stump]

Your installation might had some problem. VCC might be pointing to a invalid unity installation. Double check in settings in VCC.

[oak hemlock]

is that an error at the bottom?

it happens when I try to open project before it opens the file explorer

[ornate stump]

Go to the settings.

[oak hemlock]

looks like that

[left gull]

you're gonna have to mess with the weightpaint on the strap and for the shorts you might be able to angle limit your phybone so it doesnt move far up enough to cause the clipping but you should probably also mess with the weightpaint or lower the jiggly-ness of the bone as too much will almost always cause clipping unless the clothing has the same UV layout

[ornate stump]

Can you open to that folder showing in the Selected Editor field?

Just checking if it existed.

[tardy depot]

I’m gonna be so honest dude I don’t know what that means I’ve only ever added clothing through unity so I’m not sure if there’s something I’m missing here or??

[ornate stump]

That should be alright. Restart VCC, try open the project from VCC. If it still doesn't open directly to unity, then check for unity license in unity hub.

[oak hemlock]

is it supposed to open a file explorer when I click open project?

[left gull]

ah i dont think your issue can be fixed in unity, it'd need to be done in blender if you want it to "jiggle" properly its also better optimization wise in most cases (though i dont know how you're adding clothes in unity)

[ornate stump]

I said it should open to unity editor directly.

[oak hemlock]

yeah it never has

opened this for me to select something

[tardy depot]

I see, but yeah I’ve always added clothing items through unity with no issues guess I’ll have to learn how to use blender

[ornate stump]

It's just all over the place. It didn't open the same folder as before?

[oak hemlock]

theres a note at the bottom here when I do click open project

[spark walrus]

hi

[oak hemlock]

"unity path was not set..."

i think it keeps defaulting to this?

[tardy depot]

Do you by chance have any videos so I can get started and see what it’s all about?

[oak hemlock]

thats what it says in the little notification at the bottom when I click open project

[left gull]

this goes over the basics of it pretty quickly but isnt super in-depth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fICQmBEt4Y (its basically just "paint the spots you want to move with your bone red" and the spots you dont want moving blue, anything in-between is basically 50% movement with the bone)

[ornate stump]

Well it shouldn't tag 2 unity with the same version so that's strange.

[oak hemlock]

yeah I dont know whats going on Dx

does this help?

[ornate stump]

You're still fine by using unity hub use Add Existing Project, and open your project from there. No creating one though.

[oak hemlock]

Ive never messed with the settings, just installed CC

[oak hemlock]

So unity hub instead of the CC?

I have tried the add project button on unity before, still no VRC SDK menu

Or I think I tried but nothing showed up when I did

this is where the avatar files are saved

[ornate stump]

Can you try again with your current project? Because what you show before are different project.

[oak hemlock]

current? haha there is no current as Ive tried multiple ways, theyre all just renamed copies of the same thing

I could try starting from scratch again but it always does the same thing xD

Ive tried reinstalling CC and unity and it still doesnt show the SDK and it doesnt open unity the way it should >__<

thats right, right?

[ornate stump]

Select that single project and Add Folder. Then screenshot how it is in unity to confirm.

[oak hemlock]

I did, theres nothing in there and it adds nothing

thats whats actually in the folder, and it doesnt show when I tried on the Add button on unity hub

[ornate stump]

You have to select the Kitsune-Nekochan folder.

[oak hemlock]

lll try

[ornate stump]

Kitsu isn't a project folder that's why unity hub can't add it.

[oak hemlock]

ah fair fair

ok its added

[ornate stump]

Then open the project.

[oak hemlock]

k, opening it now

yeah none of the tuts showed these steps, hopefully its what I was missing 🤞

[ornate stump]

No it doesn't show because you're unusual.

[oak hemlock]

haha it happens alot with stuff for me sadly.

[tardy depot]

Woah he spoke a bit fast but I more or less understood what he was saying imma just start looking at videos on blender for vrc to better understand how to attach clothes. Thanks.

[oak hemlock]

well thats a first xD

that popped up with unity, what am I supposed to click? o_O

[ornate stump]

Just close it.

Then proceed with the tutorial.

[oak hemlock]

I have one more question

is that file something I need to add too? I know its supposed to be done like the poi first, then the avatar, but is that file needed to be imported too?

the quest thing I dont even know how to do yet so Im just gunna leave that unless I have to do it too

[ornate stump]

You usually need avatar import last.

[oak hemlock]

what is that file Im hovering over though? Is that something that needs to be imported too? And do I need to add the quest file too or can I leave that off?

[ornate stump]

Quest is a mobile platform where players playing on it won't see content uploaded only for PC.

[ornate stump]

Poi and Unlit are shader.

[oak hemlock]

ahhh ok

so i should import poi>unlit>Avatar

[ornate stump]

Do it.

[oak hemlock]

Also thank you for helping my dumbass get through this ❤️

ahhhh what do I do? xD

[ornate stump]

Go Ahead.

[oak hemlock]

got a couple yellow flags

[ornate stump]

You might still need to fix VCC, so you'd have to consult in #creator-companion

[oak hemlock]

yeah that probably isnt a bad shout since its acting weird >_<

[ornate stump]

Yellow icon are warning and usually don't matter.

[oak hemlock]

okies, no red ones yet! :3

ahh once I opened the scene it got the same errors as before for face tracking

[ornate stump]

You might be missing some required packages.

[oak hemlock]

so odd, I imported all the files that came with the download >__<

Is that only going to affect being able to use face tracking? (I dont plan to)

[ornate stump]

Some package usually doesn't get included in the download due to licensing. So read the avatar manual.

[oak hemlock]

There wasnt any reme file, or instructions on her page, only some things about uploading the quest version

[ornate stump]

Then that's clearly the author's fault for not listing it all.

[junior void]

It might be listed as "Dependency"

[oak hemlock]

Yeah I tried uploading it and it failed xD

[junior void]

youre missing vrcfury

[oak hemlock]

whats that?

[junior void]

a toolkit

it will help install gogo loco

[ornate stump]

Although since it's vrcfury compatible package, you could just delete the object with that name inside of the avatar.

[oak hemlock]

I didnt know I needed that Dx

is it something I need to download?

https://strawbunnyvr.com/b/kitsu

this was the makers page >__<

[junior void]

Either get vrcfury to add gogo or delete gogo object

[oak hemlock]

ahhh it was at the top of her oage it lists stuff

VRCFURY (for gogo loco)
FT Template
POIYOMI (On download)
Unlit shader (On download)
Import Kitsu unity package.

[oak hemlock]

yeah I just noticed that xD

What are the top two and how do I get them for it? Im assuming Ill have to start over since I didnt add them before that avatar?

again sorry my knowlege on uploading is like 3 years out of date hahaha

[junior void]

Ft = Face tracking

Not needed unless you have it

[ornate stump]

You could just click on the link.

[oak hemlock]

When I try the FT one it doesnt add like the fury one

nm, had to do it a few times xD

So much new stuff @___@

oop unitys loading stuff

[hidden loom]

how do i invert normal maps in poiyomi? normally entering a negative value does it on other shaders?

[oak hemlock]

trying to build and pub again 🤞

[junior void]

On the texture itself, i believe you can invert the green channel in the import settings

[hidden loom]

please guide me through this i dont know how to. is it in unity or externally via GIMP?

[junior void]

Unity, find the texture in your assets folder, click it, see inspector

[oblique marsh]

how do i get this fixed

[hidden loom]

yes i got the texture

[hidden loom]

can u tell me a little more?

[left gull]

if you're just trying to upload those two yellow errors can be ignored

[ornate stump]

In Swizzle, change G to 1-G

[hidden loom]

thank you

[oblique marsh]

im gonna be using standable with the avatar and dont want fbt fucked up

[left gull]

it shouldnt be messed up (at least not in a way thats noticaable when using fbt from what ive seen) though ive never used "standable" so im not sure if it'd matter or not (to fix it you'll probably need to flip some bones around "hip bone up and upper leg bones pointing down" and making sure the model is in a T-pose as quoted from the VRChat bot)

[oblique marsh]

alright im new to unity so how do i flip the bones

[left gull]

needs to be done in blender

[oblique marsh]

ok

[ornate stump]

It's usually caused by rig mapping got hip bone wrong. So double check in rig configuration first.

[oblique marsh]

where can i find rig configuration

[ornate stump]

https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?t=80

[oblique marsh]

i dont see it

[ornate stump]

If it's vrm converted avatar then that's bad: it doesn't have an option to fix.

[oblique marsh]

it is vrm converted

anything else i could do?

like mb open it in blender?

[ornate stump]

No idea. I don't deal with vrm.

[oblique marsh]

guess i will upload it and see later

[rancid zealot]

My avatar in unity is blue when I switch to android from pc, the whole avatar is different shades of blue, I switched all of the shades to toon and everything, does anybody know what to do?

[spark walrus]

how to fix this?

[forest zephyr]

🆙

[lucid rapids]

how i can fix the mirror ?

[subtle sigil]

Hello, my avatar fingers close when im not pressing any buttons

[rancid zealot]

My avatar in unity is blue when I switch to android from pc, the whole avatar is different shades of blue, I switched all of the shades to toon and everything, does anybody know what to do?

[last radish]

im trying to edit an avi does anyone have tips and tricks

[rancid zealot]

Whatre you trying to edit? Clothes or other stuff?

[last radish]

rn i want to learn how to edit hair

and how to use unity

[rancid zealot]

Like the color? Or other stuff

[last radish]

color and model

[rancid zealot]

Model you probably have to go into blender for

[last radish]

ok

[rancid zealot]

But for the color there should be a texture file for, go into gimp or any other photoshop software you have with that photo, edit the color, put it back in place, and whammy

[last radish]

ok thx

[rancid zealot]

just fyi tho the hair usually is in the same texture photo as the body so be careful

also if you wanna add decals and stuff to shirts and stuff, its that same process

I would personally recommend using GIMP to photoshop the photos but if you have adobe use it

Gl tho

[last radish]

ok thank you

[rancid zealot]

np

[last radish]

does anyone know why my avatar shows up pink

[ornate stump]

Missing shader, didn't import required shader.

[rancid zealot]

My avatar in unity is blue when I switch to android from pc, the whole avatar is different shades of blue, I switched all of the shades to toon and everything, does anybody know what to do?

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot to compare? Also use Window key+Shift+S to properly take screenshot.

[rancid zealot]

a screenshot of the original?

or just a full screenshot of this one

[ornate stump]

Yes. How it should look like?

[rancid zealot]

(by original i mean windows)

got it, lemme re open unity

[rancid zealot]

Everything on the avi works, its just... blue

[ornate stump]

Isn't your texture itself also look blue?

[rancid zealot]

And I triple checked the shaders, its vrc toon shader

[rancid zealot]

The texture isnt here

its in a different folder, thats the thumbnail

[blissful saddle]

Am I able to copy clothing assets from one avatar and put them on an entirely different model I’m making from scratch and how would I attach it to new model?? 🤔🤔

[ornate stump]

Then the issue is your model has vertex color and it must be removed.

[rancid zealot]

vertex?

Sorry, this is my second avatar

[ornate stump]

Color data that's on the model itself.

[rancid zealot]

ah

how would I remove that?

[ornate stump]

You'd have to edit in blender. Or there is some plugin for unity to remove vertex color, but I don't use it so I can't recommend any.

[rancid zealot]

oki thank you, ill be back if I run into any problems, cya, thx

[ornate stump]

It takes lot more than just copying.

[blissful saddle]

That’s why I’m asking 😑

Cause idk what I need to do

[ornate stump]

Assuming you make a model from scratch so you'd have to know how to rig.

It's about switching armature of the cloth and link to the body armature.

[rancid zealot]

Slight issue with my problem, I have the plugin "VRChat Quest Toold" which has an embed to remove vertex colors but its telling me there are none

*Tools

[last radish]

am i doing something wrong?

[ornate stump]

Ignore it and see what the error is in unity.

[rancid zealot]

I hit ignore and my builds have been fine on my last and current avatar, usually its some small error that isnt an issue

[blissful saddle]

Right now I’m just molding and making sure the base is to my liking and as close as my avatar reference photo but could I take assets from another avi and put it on the one I’m making. I can figure out the rigging and everything when I get to that step.

I’m trying to save myself the trouble of putting more hours into an avi from scratch than buy a base model and do that

[ornate stump]

Then you could just copy the cloth model and put on your model without rigging. Then you still have to do all rigging later.

[rancid zealot]

Just looked at it, the avatar doesnt have vertex, idk whats causing this blueness

[ornate stump]

"vertex color" not just "vertex".

[rancid zealot]

yes

[ornate stump]

Where did you look?

[rancid zealot]

In VRC Quest Tools, the plugin hasnt led me wrong so far

[blissful saddle]

That’s fine. I just wanted to know if it was at all possible to put other clothing assets to a scratch model. Thanks

[rancid zealot]

It has the ability to remove vertex colors, and the option to do so is greyed out, indicating there are none on scene

I would look in blender but I have no idea how

[ornate stump]

Usually transfering cloth would have to wait until the base model have rigged, so the cloth can be transferred to use base rig. Without rig to start with, then it isn't much different from copying without rig, just to be manually rigged later.

[ornate stump]

Also look in the fbx file and find and inspect the mesh. It has list of vertex properties show, including the color.

[rancid zealot]

In blender? or in unity? Also how would I find that? (Sorry)

[ornate stump]

In unity. Find the fbx file in unity.

[rancid zealot]

gotcha

brb, imma go look for it

Ok, so I found the fbx, but I dont know how to inspect the mesh

wait

I think i found it

[ornate stump]

Also screenshot instead.

[ornate stump]

Definitely has color.

[rancid zealot]

So its not vertex color being the issue?

[ornate stump]

It's vertex color.

[rancid zealot]

oof

[ornate stump]

See the "vertices"? Those are attributes of each vertex.

[rancid zealot]

ooh

thx

Ill get to looking up how to remove those

[last radish]

do you know where i can find the shader?

[ornate stump]

Read manuals/instruction of your avatar.

[last radish]

im sorry im new to this do you know where i can vind the manuals/instruction

[ornate stump]

From where you downloaded the avatar.

[last radish]

ok great

these are the errors that show up does anyone know what these mean/ how to fix them

[ornate stump]

Not an errors. You could simply ignore them.

[last radish]

what is the poi toon

[last radish]

ok thx

[ornate stump]

Shader. Try google it.

[last radish]

ok thanks

[rancid zealot]

Another question, the avatar came with a unity file only, how do i open it in blender?

[ornate stump]

You had imported into unity so you already had individual files in your unity project.

[rancid zealot]

i have the fbx in unity now

how do I remove vertex colors?

[ornate stump]

Import to blender.

[rancid zealot]

I meant blender

Im very tired, sorry

[ornate stump]

Open VertexData properties tab, depends on blender version, the section will name "Color Attribute", or "Vertex Color", just remove everything inside the section.

[rancid zealot]

Apologies but I dont know where the VertexData tab is, I havent used blender in nearly a year

[somber sequoia]

it's just under vertex groups and shape keys

[rancid zealot]

This?

[somber sequoia]

below that

[rancid zealot]

copy

[ornate stump]

You could also google search for various terminology and see where things are located.

[rancid zealot]

so I remove EVERYTHING inside color attributes, correct?

And ths wont mess up the avatar?

[somber sequoia]

if you don't want vertex colors, yes

"mess up" is certainly subjective 🙂

[rancid zealot]

oof

guess its a risk I have to take

[ornate stump]

It removing color itself doesn't break the model. It depends on how you export it.

[rancid zealot]

just removed everything in the color attributes, how do I get it back to blender safe and sound?

I mena unity

(I really need sleep)

[ornate stump]

File -> Export FBX

[somber sequoia]

did you unpack the avatar prefab in Unity?

[ornate stump]

That would be yes.

[last radish]

i tried uploading my avatar and this error pops up does anyone know what to do now

[somber sequoia]

is that the only error? If not, paste the first 3-4 (at the top)

[last radish]

yes thats the only error

[rancid zealot]

Uuhhh... slight issue

[ornate stump]

As it depends on how you exported it.

[ornate stump]

You usually have to set export option "Apply Scaling" to "FBX All", and disable "Leaf Bones".

[rancid zealot]

oh

can i go back into blender and do that and re export it?

[somber sequoia]

yep

[rancid zealot]

thank god

[ornate stump]

Given you haven't close blender without saving then sure.

[last radish]

how does that work

[rancid zealot]

Is this right?

Last time I just hit FBX and did it

what do I do?

[ornate stump]

You have to open export menu after chooseing FBX.

[rancid zealot]

menu is open

[somber sequoia]

In the export dialog, set "apply scalings" to FBX All and under Armature, uncheck the box about leaf bones

[last radish]

i dont know whats going wrong but it refuses to upload my avi

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot whole unity screen instead?

[last radish]

i can

[somber sequoia]

ideally with the Console window shown

[ornate stump]

You're in prefab editing mode which you can't upload from there.

[rancid zealot]

Its... its still blue

I followed everything to the letter

[last radish]

hahahaha i dont know what to doooo 😦

[rancid zealot]

Why must I be plagued with blueness

[ornate stump]

Did you remove color attribute from every object?

[rancid zealot]

yes

[rancid zealot]

Gone

[fallow gulch]

That colour in Unity indicates that shaders are still compiling (Give it time)

[rancid zealot]

its been that color for about 3 hours

give or take

[last radish]

so i should be able to upload it from here?

[ornate stump]

It has texture so it's done compiling.

[rancid zealot]

and there isnt a secondary unity window telling me shaders are compiling

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[last radish]

great thank you

[fallow gulch]

Oh you're right
I haven't seen the text on the clothes

[rancid zealot]

ur fine

[fallow gulch]

Odd coincidence with the colours haha

[rancid zealot]

thats what im saying

[ornate stump]

Did you export to overwrite the old fbx file?

[rancid zealot]

yup

[spark walrus]

where are the velocities for vrchat avatar

the default values

?

[rancid zealot]

maybe i didnt do it right

I dont think I did it right

I thought I did

[ornate stump]

The body in the scene might be from different fbx file.

[ornate stump]

Do you understand the word "velocity"?

[spark walrus]

speed

i already found

i take these

[last radish]

thank you all for the help love you guys

[somber sequoia]

(speed and direction)

[spark walrus]

i thoguht the vrc companion would show the default speeds

in the doc

[rancid zealot]

How so? I nuked the old fbx and replaced it with the new one from the export

There is only one fbx there and its the new one

[ornate stump]

Check first whether the model in the scene is using the mesh from the same fbx file you just changed.

[rancid zealot]

How would I go about that?

[ornate stump]

It might also be generated mesh after using quest tool.

[somber sequoia]

if you mean you deleted the old one and Unity actually was aware of that, you've broken this a bit. you need to just overwrite the existing file if you want Unity to just update it

[fallow gulch]

The X and Y value for these motions are custom (0, 0 by default I'd assume)
The motion time, which is the 3rd is on 1 by default I'm pretty sure (when you add an animation)

[ornate stump]

Inspect the mesh object in the scene and see the mesh slot.

[rancid zealot]

thats what I did

[spark walrus]

these arent custom

[rancid zealot]

Sorry I wasnt specific

[spark walrus]

u have to take what vrchat controller uses

otherwise u get run animation while walking etc.

[fallow gulch]

I meant custom as in someone had to type those in manually

[spark walrus]

u need certain velocities to switch animation

u cannot customize them

[rancid zealot]

Im so sorry but how do I do that? all I know how to do is inspect mesh from the fbx

[spark walrus]

vrchat uses certain velocities

[ornate stump]

You meant default maximum velocity. Default velocity for avatar in world is 4 m/s forward running. 2m/s for walking any direction. But each world can override maximum speed to any value.

[rancid zealot]

by clicking on the body in the fbx to be more specific

[ornate stump]

Just select your avatar mesh in the scene.

[rancid zealot]

Like so?

[fallow gulch]

Ah yeah, I wasn't familiar with these values
Not sure if these also depend on the world you are in, since worlds can control walking, strafing, and running speed

[ornate stump]

Expand into your avatar object so you see all the child objects.

[spark walrus]

no that isnt what i meant

[rancid zealot]

done

[spark walrus]

not max speed, but what animation starts at what velocity aka speed

[rancid zealot]

Like that?

[ornate stump]

What is the velocity when not moving? Zero of course.

[ornate stump]

Click on the Body mesh and see where it highlight to.

[spark walrus]

u have never done it

so u dont know what imm taklkjing about

[rancid zealot]

The one with vertecies

[ornate stump]

You are describing thing incorrectly.

[spark walrus]

nah im not

[snow sluice]

hello I need help what is this and how should I fix it

[ornate stump]

At least 3 people tried to answer your question but the answer wasn't what you want, so something is wrong with your question.

[somber sequoia]

is that the only error? If not, paste the first (top) 3-4

[plain mural]

how to fix this sharp shadow?

[rancid zealot]

Did I do something wrong?

[fallow gulch]

If you modified the base controllers, and you want to look at the default values, I'd make a new project, with the avatar SDK, and I'd look at the default controllers there
The docs are not super useful either as it seems, as they just tell you to look at example controllers

[spark walrus]

my question was if the default speed values were documented

the x,y, positions for the blend tree

so each animation starts at the right time

[snow sluice]

yes this is the only error

[ornate stump]

Speed value is the actual speed of an avatar relative to world position.

There is only default maximum velocity set by world. There is no such "default velocity".

[spark walrus]

the velocity set by vrchat

the have

[fallow gulch]

What you are thinking of is the dots in the blend tree setup I assume(?)

[spark walrus]

yes

[fallow gulch]

Cause that is not tied to velocity

[spark walrus]

parameters say velocityz,x

[ornate stump]

There is no velocity set by vrchat.

[fallow gulch]

That is tied to the joystick's (or keyboard's) movement I think...?

[spark walrus]

yes

[ornate stump]

It tied to actual velocity, not controller input.

[snow sluice]

are you guys going to help me

[fallow gulch]

Either way, there are no documented values for this that I could find

[spark walrus]

i told u

[rancid zealot]

I decided im just gonna re download the project and see where I fucked up

[somber sequoia]

this is not a useful error unfortunately, there's nothing we can tell you

[ornate stump]

Have you actually test to confirm it?

[spark walrus]

test what?

the parameters are called velocity

is all u need to know

[ornate stump]

Have you seen debug menu and see how the velocity parameters change when you move in each different world?

[rancid zealot]

Bc a friend who is using the same avi had no issue so I did something wrong

[spark walrus]

they r calle velocity for a reason

[spark walrus]

dunno how to open it in game

[ornate stump]

See, you are missing the information. R menu > Options > Avatar > Debug.

[spark walrus]

my avi doesnt have that

[ornate stump]

I believe one of avatar search world has different velocity so you go to check that too.

[ornate stump]

Doesn't have what?

[spark walrus]

a debug tool

[ornate stump]

Don't you have this menu?

[spark walrus]

i dont

wait

some avatars have it

i can switch

[tardy heart]

yeah...im having the same error, soooo many times recently, i dont recall having it months ago

[spark walrus]

i dont have it

[spark walrus]

thiuus

[ornate stump]

So?

[spark walrus]

i dont have it\

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot?

[spark walrus]

i didnt know there was options

alwayus overlooked it

[ornate stump]

Do you see the debug menu now?

[ornate stump]

And what is your observation?

[spark walrus]

velocityZ is 3.0 if I hold 'w'

4.07 if i shift hold

[ornate stump]

Try on other worlds too where your avatar has different speed.

[spark walrus]

ok

gimme 1 min

2.0, 4.0

why isnt my character affected by this?

still plays walk animation, even thouugh i set velociityz to 3.0 for walk

maybe the animation is slower

idk

3.0 wouild be max animation speed i guess

[ornate stump]

Because max velocity is set by world. Not by avatar.

[spark walrus]

yes

but

the animation speed should be influenced

if u set it to 3.0 velocity, it will play slower if world walk speed is 2.0

[ornate stump]

You seem to had incorrect thought. Velocity you set in blendtree determines what animation should be play according to current avatar velocity.

[spark walrus]

I can not open a unity project, can someone help with that?

according to world velocityh

[ornate stump]

To avatar velocity relative to world.

[spark walrus]

yes

i get normal walk animation in the world where velocity says 2,0,. in the woirld where it says 3.,0, my character starts running...

[ornate stump]

Yes it should be.

[spark walrus]

how do i adjust the values in blend tree then?

if speed fluctuates

my other characters run too, btw in that blue box world

[ornate stump]

Velocity you set in blendtree determines what animation should be play according to current avatar velocity.

[spark walrus]

yes

[ornate stump]

Velocity is measured relatively to world.

[spark walrus]

so best is to get a good middle value that fits most wworlds

i guess

[ornate stump]

Not the best but simplest.

[spark walrus]

what other option is there?

[ornate stump]

You'd have to measure foot stride for an animation, and measure animation speed, and compare it to avatar actual velocity, to make sure that the avatar feet doesn't slide because animation speed play differently from avatar velocity.

[fallow gulch]

Delete the Library folder from the project mayhaps
Something might have gone wrong there
Unity will regenerate it when you open the project

Do make a backup first to be safe

[spark walrus]

FOOT STRide is the distance btw 2 steps?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[spark walrus]

not measurable

[ornate stump]

Then just approximate the value and let the feet slide.

[spark walrus]

yes for now

it is good enough

[fallow gulch]

If you can decypher it, you could also see how GoGo Loco works, since they know a whole bunch about locomotion

[spark walrus]

well, I know the default motion controller of the robot, it has all the values set up

[fallow gulch]

And it is a good start, but default loco has its issues :/

[spark walrus]

i mean the default values that comes with the robot of vrchat

u find them in the package

[fallow gulch]

Yes, I know

But just saying that it might also be worth looking at other locomotion systems, to see how they do things, because there are better ones out there

I'd rate GoGo as my #1
Locomotion Fix as #2
And the default loco as #3

But do note, that I only ever used these 3
And these are my own opinions, based on experience

[spark walrus]

i know little about them, I use it though to have the extra poses, but havent looked deep ionto it in unity yet

[hidden loom]

Thanks again for everyone who explained the little bits of things about poiyomi to me. I unlocked so much more power in my creation. Liltoon is good and all but Poi is different

[hardy light]

How do i merge lots of meshes without the mesh texture's changing

After merging them all the texture is all messed up

[spark walrus]

is there no qick reverse button for animations in the animation controller?

i want to use the walk animation to walk backwards

[ornate stump]

Set animation speed negative.

[spark walrus]

I did

no wait

what is this 1 for?

most of the time i see a 0 in that bar next to parameters

[somber sequoia]

it's described here, like all of the VRChat-provided variables: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[spark walrus]

i read this

but why is the parameter set to 1?

does it mean the default state is 1 ?

[ornate stump]

"1 is standing streight up"

[somber sequoia]

if you're looking in your animation controller when not in play mode, then it doesn't matter what value is in any of the VRChat-provided ones.

[spark walrus]

they set it to 1

[somber sequoia]

you could set it to 312 and it'd be set appropriately when in-game

[spark walrus]

i think it means to set it to upright by defauklt

[ornate stump]

Default value in animator controller doesn't matter.

[somber sequoia]

it's read-only

[spark walrus]

oh

so it is randomly put in

the value

[ornate stump]

Likely.

[spark walrus]

but when it is read only

it also takes its value from there

so set to 1 means, default state

[ornate stump]

There is no concept of "default value".

[spark walrus]

but u start upright when u spawn in a world

it has to be set to 1 somewhere

why else have a 1 therre

[somber sequoia]

you seem to misunderstand, whatever value you put there in your avatar is irrelevant, VRChat will update that

[ornate stump]

For VR player, player can be in any Upright level so it doesn't always be 1 at the beginning.

It likely be there for testing purpose only and doesn't have any effect in game whatsoever.

[somber sequoia]

it has to be there if you want to use the parameter in your own animation states

[spark walrus]

what has to be there?

[somber sequoia]

any parameter you mean to use in an animator must be listed in the animator, even if it's set automatically by vrchat

[spark walrus]

I was right

the 1 in parameters

[somber sequoia]

so you just add them as needed, set them to whatever you want while testing, and it doesn't matter what values you set any of the read-only ones to.

[spark walrus]

decides the default value

i was expecting that

[somber sequoia]

Only for your local testing

[spark walrus]

no

in vrchat

why else put 1 there?

[somber sequoia]

no that is not correct, that is a read-only value

[spark walrus]

for no reason?

[somber sequoia]

I just told you the reason

[ornate stump]

For VR player, player can be in any Upright level so it doesn't always be 1 at the beginning.

[spark walrus]

read, means get also the default value from there

u havent tested it

I did

[somber sequoia]

it does not use that value you set

[spark walrus]

if u set value to 0 u start in crouch position

[somber sequoia]

that is incorrect

[spark walrus]

1 set , meanms start upright

[junior void]

🍿

[spark walrus]

the animation start crouched

[ornate stump]

Why don't you also try yourself if you're so stubborn and keep arguing?

[somber sequoia]

*sigh*

[spark walrus]

ive tested it

locally

[junior void]

So i have an actual question here

[spark walrus]

my animation is crouch

when i spawn

in vrchat now

bc i set it to 0 for testing

[somber sequoia]

the avatar I have open in Unity right now has this set to 0 and does not spawn crouched - something else on yours has caused this

[junior void]

I've just figured out udim - was wondering the benefits for that when it comes to painting in substance painter or generally. I know poi can do udim tile discard, but i really dont need that. I was just messing around - what else would be a benefit here

[somber sequoia]

it's really a pain to deal with in substance, I don't really see the point in doing so. Also what Poi does is not udim technically

[junior void]

Hm fair enough

[spark walrus]

starts crouched

[junior void]

I haven't seen if before either

[spark walrus]

i was right

[somber sequoia]

I've mostly used it for tile discarding and decals, where you can get better resolution on the decals with a different UV map

[junior void]

I just f around to find out xD

[spark walrus]

at least the animation is crouched

camera is still up as if ur standing i think

so i was right

with default value

it determines what animation is at start

that is the reason why it is set to 1 and no 0

we're talking default controllers here

[ornate stump]

Have you checked debug menu?

[spark walrus]

sth the developers have set up

no need

check for what? when i see the crouch anim>?

[ornate stump]

I'm going to call that false conclusion.

[spark walrus]

I've tested it so I know it

and logically it makes sense

why else would it be set to 1

[somber sequoia]

I'm testing the same thing and not getting those results

[ornate stump]

For Upright parameter. If your avatar stood up the Upright should make your avatar change animation to standing up. If your avatar animation still keep crouching, that mean your locomotion has something wrong.

[spark walrus]

no

it starts crouicherd if u set it to 0

[somber sequoia]

it does not do that here

[ornate stump]

Then can you make it stand up in game?

[spark walrus]

it does

[somber sequoia]

on either of two avatars, one with gogo loco, one with default locomotion