right?
#avatar-general
cedar flare
wintry glade
Yeah you still need to animate, but you wont need to do the brute animation of leg,knee,foot,toe. Dragging the toe bone will drag the rest
cedar flare
oh cool!
I should learn to set that up, thank you.
I'd still like to try looking for free alternatives to final ik, or something though
wintry glade
Well the problem is even if you found another ik based system it isnt whitelisted
sand wren
yea but if u dont use final ik then it wont look as good bc final ik does foot planting
wintry glade
Yeah thats what I was saying, you can fake the legs walking but you cant ground em
wintry glade
Yeah that's the shame of needing third party. Pretty sure you can do procedural animation with Udon but that's world only obviously.
We will probably eventually be able to do procedural animation on avatars in house but its hella low priority
alpine kite
SOS looking for avatar creator for commission
heavy shale
How would I Make a prop like a flashlight switch hands with parent constraints? Ive seen people have guns they can pull out of holsters, but im unsure how you can switch parents
silver mango
Can someone sum up for me what is going on with write defaults?
neon finch
Well... There was a prefab out there a while ago that allowed you to do exactly that. Not sure where it is.
But really almost all prop animations and stuff that creators use is mostly an illusion, they technically have two versions of the prop, in your case the holstered on and one in your hands, you just flip between the two of which one is enabled/disabled when you toggle your prop which gives the illusion that it snaps to your hand or whatever.
The prefab is technically more optimized and better, and there's a couple different ways to go about your props and stuff but that's generally the idea behind it.
silver mango
From what I gather, write defaults should no longer be used as it can cause layer desync
I need to go and rework all my layers to not use write defaults anymore?
That also... means I have to make reset animations for all my animations too if I'm not mistaking
For the love of god please tell me I'm horribly wrong in this lol
barren hemlock
I still use write defaults and haven't seemed to run into any issues yet
silver mango
I haven't either to be honest but then I haven't been online much lately
I really hope not, it would suck if write defaults doesn't work properly
barren hemlock
Although I also have turned off Write Defaults recently for everything except gestures and this also seems to work fine with no extra tuning
silver mango
I'll have to take a look at how much things I will have to change, I think quite a bit
barren hemlock
Only gestures will really need work mostly
silver mango
U might be right in that, looking back at my layers it looks like only my gestures will break
barren hemlock
And like I said, I have Defaults on for gestures and they work fine
barren hemlock
Oh you're fine! I have it on for gestures, off for everything else
silver mango
Would love an actual verification on this whole write defaults thing though, like should we really go out of our way to avoid using it, or what's the deal
so far it only seems people have found the answer through personal testing but yeah like, a verification would be cool
barren hemlock
According to the Docs: If you want to use Write Defaults, you will have to keep track of all the possible properties that may be written by a node with this enabled.
It's just saying that with Defaults on, the animator may reset things you don't want reset
silver mango
Wow, hmm
barren hemlock
Remember that it will reset EVERY property. So even though gestures may likely only use fingers and blendshape control, it will reset every property it doesn't use to default. This can cause issues especially if you're using the FX layer since that takes priority
This also takes into account layer execution. Animators run layers in order from top to bottom so it may reset defaults for something from a previous layer
silver mango
Which I assume is part of the reason they disabled it in the first place aswell in that one patch?
barren hemlock
I assume so as well. With this layered AV3.0 system Defaults can cause issues for other layers
silver mango
Damn, that's a shame
barren hemlock
It's not completely necessary, but it is good practice now for the 3.0 animation system
silver mango
Yea, I might just make it a rule for myself to avoid write defaults if this really seems to be the case then
barren hemlock
As long as you configure your gestures with it off then that's the bulk of the work
silver mango
True, most of my other layers I can just check it off without any additional work
Thanks for the clarification, I know what I'll have to do now
barren hemlock
You're welcome!
safe mirage
what is the best way to do expressions? I'm currently using the handlayer from vrc with any state to do my facial expressions and I'm only using the right hand since I wanna avoid overlapping blendshapes with the left hand. Is there a better way?
ping pls
tranquil pulsar
@heavy shale this might be a little late but using the parent constraints you dont change parents, you just give it two different sources and then use an animation to flip the weights for each source. So starting the weight for the hand would be 0 and the holster be 1 and use an animation to flip them.
heavy shale
Im not at my computer today so I can't test it. Butnim assuming if your hand isn't nearby when you swap weights, the gun will follow your hand but be floating?
merry swan
constraint will follow your hand wherever it is, so it will float to the point you set it to
have a stick like that on hip of mine, animation tells it to use this point instead and it will float over to it
heavy shale
Sorry just trying to understand the workflow here, if you set a game object with the correct orientation in your hand, changing weights will warp and rotate to the direction of the gameobject?
merry swan
yeeh not something i can explain, found tutorial awhile ago
you set 2 points, set the constraint to have animation 1 is there 1 is other place
heavy shale
Mkay. If you find that tutorial I would appreciate it
merry swan
infinite points really
merry swan
https://youtu.be/5paKoocFS48 (audio loud)
heavy shale
Ty
merry swan
constraint vrhat , you will find others
lavish yarrow
Putting my Vtubing model into VRChat
solemn crag
Hi can someone help me
floral rock
Is there a parameter or method to detect if the avatar user is on quest or pc when they wear the avatar?
red pilot
Anybody have a good tutorial on how to make flying avatars? I looked for tutorials but all of them are outdated
floral rock
Example: q and p wear the avatar on the same id. They each load their version on that id. Q’s looks like P’s to P but to Q it’s a different version without shaders or some functions. I’d like the pc avatar to know that Q is on quest and do an animation or material swap to look like the quest version (embedded on the pc avatar version)
Practical example: quest is a red body and pc is a blue body. I’d like the red body to display to the pc viewer automatically when a quest user is wearing it
red pilot
I thought they did that automatically? either that or the quest users I saw were hacking
oh wait, i read that backwards. nevermind
merry swan
no way to detect that , only tracking far as i know
neon finch
https://i.imgur.com/xKbWcqX.png
I don't think you can do difference between Quest and VR, but with TrackingType you should be able to tell if somebody is in VR, Desktop or Full Body
But Fooma, Quest and PC avatars are uploaded separately to the same blueprint ID, so they can look completely different and have completely different animations.
Most people keep them close to the same but just make PC look better, have more polygons, different shaders and more complicated animations.
PC players will only see the PC model if someone is in a Quest version of the model though, I think that's the main limitation you'll run into. Which is probably the problem that'll prevent you from doing what you want.
I think you can have Quest only models though, I've seen a few of those and PC didn't load those models and just used a default robot with the thumbnail, not sure exactly why.
floral rock
Yhea I have a different quest model and textures loading than the pc version so the quest users don’t see robots, was just curious if the pc users could see the quest version in this manner without it being on separate ids
floral rock
I may canny the request since the functionality seems there already.
fallow sequoia
@floral rock This should work: you can put a ParameterDriver on the Quest that forces a parameter to a specific value, but force it differently on the PC version of the animation -- not absolutely sure, but this should give priority to the wearer's ParameterDriver setting.
actually -- just combine that with IsLocal and it will totally work
floral rock
Thanks I’ll try that, I’ve noticed if I change layers or the synced parameters themselves it just won’t display correctly between quest and pc, changing that way may help by forcing that value
It’s like a red banana/yellow apple problem. Quest avatar is a banana, pc avatar is an apple. Parameter driver says color the material. Pc sets that to red, quest says that is yellow. Quest should see other quest as yellow bananas but pc players as red bananas. I don’t know if that makes sense
fallow sequoia
Yeah makes sense. If you use IsLocal to drive the parameter change you can be sure some remote setting isn't going to override it. So only the local avatar will set the value and you'll get the wearer's value.
strong tree
Specific question: how long can an animation be?
if I remember correctly, there is some sort of time limit in place I think?
fallow sequoia
There's no real time limit other than memory limits on avatars, but the longer you make any one animation, the more likely you'll be unsynced for late joiners watching it.
strong tree
well, in my case it's basically just an idle animation (ear twitching) so I don't care about syncronisation ;)
fallow sequoia
hehe. how long does an ear need to twitch?
strong tree
would be nice if we had a way for RNG in the animator :/
hehe. how long does an ear need to twitch?
@fallow sequoia well, just several different styles of ear twitching ;)
fallow sequoia
it's actually possible to do PseudoRNG using inputs like Visemes and Velocities
strong tree
yeah... but...
wait...
*needs to test something*
hm...
Visemes are 0-14, right?
fallow sequoia
yes
strong tree
that's a good tipp... but sometimes I don't talk for a while, if I listen to someone... would be nice if we could use the data of eye tracking for example...
fallow sequoia
Eye tracking parameters are on the todo list
strong tree
:D
fallow sequoia
I also want to do net-synced RNG anyway
strong tree
would be especially interesting for ears, because they could turn to the listener like the eyes do :3
fallow sequoia
oh that's a cool idea
one of the ideas for upgrading eye look is to have interest points (for example a loud sound or speaker)
strong tree
now that I think about it... maybe I could achieve something similar with rotation constraints
fallow sequoia
yeah def could use constraints to tie the ears to the eye movements
strong tree
I'll try that, and take a look if it looks kinda okay :3
maybe the turning with the eyes, and the twitching with visemes...
thanks for the answers :3 (and stay awesome)
fathom crane
V3 eyes have been locking onto 'nothing' since forever and I must jump up and down in a special manner to get them to unlock. interest weighting might be a nice idea and may possibly solve that
strong tree
I don't have a problem with them looking at others
but apparently my rotation constraints don't work with the eyes as source :/
it works in the editor, but not in VRChat it self...
to test it, I also disabled dynamic bones... didn't help
fallow sequoia
@fathom crane V3 eyes should lock on to the eyes and mouth (actually wanders around them) of another V3 avatar with eyelook. It can also lock onto a V2 avatar that did the older rig-based eyelook. Otherwise, it'll pick random targets in space in a cone forward of the current head direction.
barren wyvern
when will they fix it so ppl can clone avatars again ?
sand wren
u can...
Its just bugged so u need to hide the avatar before u can clone it
must be overriding some sort of property when it loads
barren wyvern
tried it
neon finch
I've always had my cloning on so I never ran into the problem of having to turn it back on so somebody can clone off me.
faint gust
not everyone has cloning enabled
neon finch
True!
jaunty ruin
can i get more Parameters? over 16
or how can i optimise my parameters in avatar 3.0
merry swan
object toggles ? 2 parameters on turn stuff on , other off, theres 255 object/emotes
merry swan
int goes from 0-255 , use 2 one for enabling 1 to 255 objects, another to turn them off 1-255 (toggle wont do, use buttons)
You can do 1000's of object swap/toggles/material swaps ect
VRCfaceBlend is rarely used, dont think i know anyone who actually have one set up
wintry glade
I've just started clearing it from the list
merry swan
Was wondering if Cats might have it as a option to create someday , but if you add any layer on the avatar they are instantly useless unless you add them back to do something
jaunty ruin
so i only need 2 parameters
merry swan
if you need alot more object toggles 2 is easy to use, can be done with one but its abit of a mess
jaunty ruin
oki but how am i able to have multiply stuff active
merry swan
equal enable, but wants equal & not equal to go back to default
clothingon = 1 (turn this on) clothingoff = 1 turn that one off , ect
merry swan
This doubles the buttons but least its usable, since you need a off button, IF vrchat ever add a toggle we can set a custom exit number / parameter on that would be really handy
toggle = x and exit = y , (not just 0/255 and 0
sand wren
u can use 3 parameters if u want also
in most cases tho u can do tricks with just 2
where u set the parameter to a specific value
and then in ur crazy advanced animator network
u have logic to change the second parameter
for example i can make the parameter go from 00 to 01 or to 10 or to 11
and i could check that param for all values that end in 1
but it really over complicated
dusty gulch
TIL Unity doesn't have the ability to play audio source on particle birth/death/collission without needing custom scripts 😦
woven pecan
thanks god it doesn't
silver adder
You can always hide someone's avatar if they are doing something you don't like, limiting creativity is a bad thing.
It's VERY hard to make any form of gun without the firing sound cutting itself off.
woven pecan
and you need an audio source on particles for this?
fluid grotto
This doubles the buttons but least its usable, since you need a off button, IF vrchat ever add a toggle we can set a custom exit number / parameter on that would be really handy
@merry swan Have the stage parameter be one and zero, but it controls a non-stage perimeter that is custom values
heavy mantle
do anyone have those huge tails that are on alot of the female models?
red pilot
can someone @ me when VRchat finally gets their shit together and I can start making avatars that work again, I'm quitting
sand wren
whats wrong with them
neon finch
ay ,i know this sounds dumb but , is there a way to get cool avatars for free ? i mean avatars that have like crazy music effects and shit
small topaz
Does anyone here make custom avatars? hit me up 😄
final bramble
anyone know of a world that has Trump or Biden skins for Quest?
neon finch
Check the Community Guidelines, political figures are not permitted.
low salmon
Is it possible to use Gesture Weight for Fist at all?
I don't seem to be able to make it control the weight instead of 0% -> 100%
topaz shell
anybody up to be commission to add bones/rig a model for me? DM
inner remnant
I have a question, do I turn of future proofing when I upload?
merry swan
yes its useless
late tartan
Just spawn in an empty game object, slap an avatar descriptor on it and upload that lmao
silk meteor
Hello! Is there a way to scale down an avatar within the client?
I finally got upload privileges and my custom made avatar is a little big
just a tad!
barely noticeable
silver adder
Someone would have already, if this game supported ray-tracing.
neon finch
S o o n
eager horizon
kind of pointless for a game like this
considering most worlds cant even implement fake lighting correctly I doubt ray tracing would look good on per world basis
sand wren
a lot of worlds only look right with toon shaders bc the creators could care less about appropriate lighting and only design it for anime avatars
but in some cases like my world or vrchat home or great pug or any other world with decent lighting yea maybe worth it
also would make it cool to see realtime raytraced reflections for standard shader so u can say see urself in someones glasses or jewelry
sand wren
i mean if u have an RTX capable GPU the performance impact should be next to none bc thats what the card is designed for
at least in theory
foggy pelican
Even with RTX cards there is quite a performance impact
sand wren
but for a game like vrchat id assume it shouldnt be too big
eager horizon
I mean thats in theory. But if the tensor cores cant keep up with the ray tracing calculations it will bottleneck your whole card
foggy pelican
They already struggle on "pancake" games. How's VR going to go with full Ray tracing support?
eager horizon
the weakest link is always the speed of your game
foggy pelican
I mean yeah probably. If a headset and the game supports it
sand wren
but headsets like pimax are pushing it too far even for regular GPU/
like sure pay thousands for a 4k or 8k vr display but what machine can render vr games at that resolution
foggy pelican
Well anyway. This conversation has gone on too long in a channel not intended for it so imma just leave it at that.
eager horizon
well they arent really 4k or 8k, but still a bitch to run
sand wren
it would be cool to see avatar 3.0 avatars abuse the new vr mode parameter
you could use it to make the avatar look like theyre in vr or fullbody like some sort of gimmick "me_irl" thing
solar lodge
yo hold up why have I NOT seen any Kakegurui avatars??
verbal forum
Are avatars2.0 broken for uploading?
woven pecan
try to ask in #avatars-2-general
neon finch
So here's a question, since the camera component is only shown to friends, would it be possible to create an animation that is only sent to your friends for let's say... You want to contact all your friends that are exploring the world to respawn so we can all group up again or switch worlds, you do your animation and it pops up on everyone's screen. Similar to a world wide screenspace shader but limited to only your friends to keep from annoying everyone else in the lobby.
Lakuza does something similar but with the screenspace shader effect and only in restricted lobbies where he and his friends explore worlds. My friends and I prefer being around public worlds rather than limiting us to just people we know, so I'd like something nondisruptive but similar.
That way you don't have to run around huge exploration worlds to find your friends or try to contact them all through other means, or invite them all again in the next world.
fluid grotto
I believe if you show someone’s avatar their camera still shows up, doesn’t it?
hard quest
Does anyone have any recommendations of worlds that have 3.0 Avatars? I only saw a few through searching so I don't know if people also have worlds with them.
solar lodge
@hard quest what is a 3.0 avatar?
sand wren
#avatar-development-links @solar lodge
solar lodge
thank you!
bright vine
Can someone help me. None of my worlds load. They all just say 0.00b loading
sand wren
@fluid grotto no i think your avatar needs to reload into the world afaik
solar lodge
still don't understand @sand wren
sand wren
did u click the link that says "what is avatars 3.0"
solar lodge
I'll figure it out
sand wren
read the text
solar lodge
got it
forest harbor
👌
neon finch
Hmm, I'm not sure Adeon. I haven't tested it much myself yet.
lapis sand
Cameras are friends only, and as far as I noticed for non friends they leave transparent image
So maybe a gifantic cube with a globally stretched screenspace shader and use the camera view to send those messages? You could set it so the camera would be looking only at mirror reflection layer somewhere low inderground and would be looking at a plane with a bunch of graphics saying to respawn and stuff
Or maybe hide it somewhere in your body, like head and make camera clipping planes extremely short so it only sees the planes
neon finch
Would the cube be very disruptive if people don't have my shaders enabled then? Wouldn't it appear as a giant standard shader cube and cover up the skybox?
sand wren
u can try making it default to standard transparent or cutout
and for people with animations off if its always on u can just turn it on in animator
also that isnt quite the same thing anyway
cameras are cameras and have different perspective of things for example a phone camera for selfies
neon finch
Hm, whenever my materials usually default to standard no matter what setting I have the rendering options on it only goes to the normal standard opaque.
Hmm.. Still not entirely sure how to make my idea work though with this information.
fluid grotto
Would the cube be very disruptive if people don't have my shaders enabled then? Wouldn't it appear as a giant standard shader cube and cover up the skybox?
@neon finch When your shaders are disabled, it will use the shader defined as your fallback shader, if it is whitelisted. For something like a camera you should just use Unlit/Textured, as it cannot be shader blocked.
neon finch
How do you define the fallback shader then? I’ve never noticed that setting. And unlit/textured sounds like a good idea
fluid grotto
sand wren
unlit/textured will be black for non friends
fluid grotto
Unlit is on the white list, why would it be blocked?
Mobile/Unlit as well
Nothing in the VRChat directory gets blocked
If Unlit/Textured isn’t falling back to Mobile/Unlit, or some other unlit shader, or some other unlit shader, that sounds like a bug.
You sure your Mesh didn’t just have black vertex colors?
sand wren
no im saying it will be black if using camera rendertexture
and not friend of the user
remote valley
I've been away for a few days-- are avatars 3.0 still having all of the issues they were last week?
merry swan
Only one i got with wd off / gestures blending togeather faces switching from one gesture to another on same hand, otherwise seems alright
it doesnt reset fast enough to 0 at default
having a delay fix it but then its really delayed
sand wren
one issue ive had is only in desktop mode my avatar floats instead of walking
and idk why
i never use desktop so
fluid grotto
I've been away for a few days-- are avatars 3.0 still having all of the issues they were last week?
@remote valley
Currently:
-root motion is weird for index controller users (fixed on current beta)
-on the latest SDK, you cannot currently simultaneously do material swap on FX and animate non-humanoid bones on gesture, masking can’t let you do both at once. Not fixed on beta.
-Temporary pose space does not activate if in fullbody. Not fixed on beta.
-Fullbody toggles are now fixed on live
Not aware of any other bugs
fluid grotto
Blender to model, unity to make it have any interactive features, special effects, or animations. And also to compile and upload it.
Blender is not a game engine
New User. Blue
pure fjord
Can someone please help me understand an error i am getting when i try uploading a 3.0 avatar?
fluid grotto
Post the error here to everyone, anyone who can help will respond - people tend to not want to commit to trying to answer a question that has not been asked yet :)
tepid spoke
Is there a vrchat avatar creators discord? We're looking to hire an experienced vrchat avatar creator to create a set of customizable avatars. Feel free to DM me thanks!
light flax
check https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions
Else VRCTraders Discord in #community-servers-old
low whale
Haven't checked in with 3.0 in a while, do chairs work now? Any news on rescaling?
merry swan
avatar chairs no, rescaling no
low whale
🙁
frozen burrow
anyone ever used Lyuma av3 emulator
jolly dew
Does anyone know where the best place to get clothing for avatars would be? Like Headphones, sweatshirts, etc?
quiet edge
deviantart
woven pecan
Best place to get clothing is buying from people who specialized on it (be careful, some of them will try to resell free recolored objects). Free variants is booth, sketchfab, some other sites, which discord bot don't allow me to write, and last but not least is deviantart. Please respect the authors and check/ask their permission to use it in VRChat and use for selling (if you want to sell it). Also check polygon count.
depends on what you prefer
sorry, I haven't finished my world yet 😎
but you could type in search bar in worlds something like "boy" or "wolfboy"
almost no one makes the avatars of the guys, and those that exist are a rework of one model :/
because most men prefer to see tiddes
compact abyss
@frozen burrow yes
woven pecan
And you will be the only guy with a male avatar among your friends ;D there's like, 70/20 for girls/boys avatars
and 10% is cursed weird something
as it turned out, furry is not the main problem
you'll see someday, I don't want to spoil the surprise
anyway, i can send you some maps id, but after i done with my work
neon finch
Can I still use a model with over 7,500 triangles on quest?
fluid grotto
You can, but only people who set their preferences to “poor” will see you automatcially, everyone else will have to click on you and choose to show your avatar
If it’s 7500 or under, everyone should see you automatically
verbal forum
How do you view your triangles
sand wren
in blender it shows in the statistics
if u don't see it it should be in bottom right i think for 2.9
if not there right click and see if u can enable it
if in unity it shows in the sdk the count
verbal forum
thanks wunder
eager horizon
dont repost in multiple channels. @stark iron
stark iron
Sorry
eager horizon
theres plenty of tutorials out there to teach you how to upload avatars and how a functional avatar should look like
sand wren
why ask discord when u can ask google
strong tree
one of the most fundamental truths I learnd, more than a decade ago: If you have a question, the possability that exactly that question was asked in the past is extremely high, you just have to find the answer. And the Internet is way faster to search for that, than a Library ;)
neon finch
So for someone to make me a basic avatar, how much do you think it would cost?
fluid grotto
Depends on the details, do you want it from scratch, do you want a kitbash, are they making it from a base they already have, etc. wildly varies the price. The more work you are asking them to do, the more they will ask.
floral rock
Is there a way to include in an animation the ability to swap icons on an Expressions Menu?
merry swan
Not really but you can make a submenu with different one
sand wren
currently u cannot modify the menu at runtime
fluid grotto
Is there a way to include in an animation the ability to swap icons on an Expressions Menu?
@floral rock I think I feature requested this one.
like a submenu type that shows the icon of it's active choice
and then you can change the menu variable to boot them out when they pick one
floral rock
it would help, especially since I had to move to an inventory manager and lost the circular arrow indicators for toggled synched paramaters
can just swap with an On or Off icon based on an animation. If this could be swapped out, you could maybe have a default animation of multiple icons, creating animated gifs for menus?
sand wren
nope
like i said u cant modify the menu at runtime
either make up ur own menu or display or do it another way
at least until its eventually supported
undone cloak
aight gAmErS, where can I find some good artists to throw my monnies at?
undone cloak
im super bad at modeling... ; u ;
silver adder
Commission's are nothing but trouble, unless your rich. It's an easy way to lose all your money.
It's better to take the time to learn how to do it yourself, there are plenty of excellent, and even free tutorials online.
But that's just my opinion. I don't have anything against commission-based artists.
neon finch
@undone cloak What are you looking to have done? And what are you willing to pay?
undone cloak
a humanoid monster lad, and im uncertain what kinda prices are normal
neon finch
"Humanoid monster lad" is pretty vague. Are you only looking for a custom model? What about animations? Accessories?
primal pond
prices are dependant on what you want on there and the level of detail
a fully from scratch model is gonna cost you quite a bit usually, for example
neon finch
From scratch is practically unnecessary and redundant at this point. Even a professional might be tempted to use Make Human or VRoid as a starting point
opaque panther
My most recent avatar I just mix matched different hair and faces and stuff and got what I wanted
primal pond
I mean if you want a quick and dirty way of doing it sure, use those tools
from scratch I feel still keeps the uniqueness of it tho
untold geode
is ?nyone else experiencig lags?
sand wren
comissions are great if you know who to ask
not me tho because i don't have the time or patience right now
fast light
If you are looking to get commission work done I'd suggest going to #community-servers-old and going to the second post you will find a link to vrctraders that is a hub for commissions of avatars worlds etc.
stiff tartan
Is VRChat still broken in terms of 3.0 avatars animations and facial expressions?
Ever since the update that broke all animations came out, nothing has been the same with any of my avatars.
Is it still being fixed, or do I have to change something?
upper remnant
@stiff tartan are you following a write defaults: off workflow?
stiff tartan
what
I havent changed my avatar since build 1004, and its still broken, I assumed this was all getting patched, because a bunch of updates that came out broke many things of 3.0 avatars
My avatar was working perfectly prior to 1005, but its still not working. Haven't changed a thing.
atomic sequoia
What makes the model quest compatible?
halcyon grove
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-limitations look through here, it says what limits there are
drifting radish
how can i create my own avatar?
primal pond
@stiff tartan avatar 3.0 stuff should be working for a bit now, so I'd assume it's something on your avatar's end
Oh and the write defaults off workflow is a thing vrc wants to standardise, it's basically working with having your states not write defaults
While having then on wouldn't normally cause any issues, it can sometimes create a few unexpected effects
stiff tartan
@primal pond Ok correction: everything works, but I cant see my own mouth moving, yet other people can?
primal pond
oh thats a common bug as of late
silver adder
I thought that was supposed to have been fixed? I'm not getting that issue on any of my avatars.
The local viseme thing anyways...
primal pond
I've experienced it still happening on certain avatars
stiff tartan
Yeah it doesnt happen with everyone
tawny folio
whats an easy way to convert models from a mdl file to a obj or a fbx?
sand wren
blender source tools
but all models that get converted need a ton of work
usually very broken and missing textures bc will need to convert them all from vtf
raw dew
TIL using extra materials, which are not part of the model, in a Unity animation will screw up the references. So I put one extra material on the face of an eyeball.
real pond
Been messing with the locomotion layer lately, trying to make it so FBT users don't get walking animations while crouched.
Since the Base layer forces some IK off, I tried turning off the locomotion animations altogether for 6-point FBT and adding them back with the additive layer, this didn't go quite as expected.
Using VRC Animator Tracking Control to set the hip and feet to animation made the hip go up in your face.
https://puu.sh/GO6rV/6228203f7c.mp4
Only letting the animation control the legs however had slightly better results, although it looks very wonky. https://puu.sh/GO6tj/b64c23ab14.mp4
low ether
HI PPL
fluid grotto
So you want fullbody users to glide around if they are crouching?
real pond
Yeah.
fluid grotto
I’m not sure if the SDK lets you conditionally un-override lower body on locomotion. It’s a checkbox on the avatar descriptor
The avatar either disables leg Ik on locomotion all the time, or never
real pond
Yeah that's unfortunate, there has to be a way to do it using the additive layer though. 
primal pond
wouldn't setting the hip and feet to tracking stop it from doing that?
real pond
It would turn off the animation altogether.
fluid grotto
No even in fullbody, lower body Ik is disabled when doing stick locomotion
primal pond
isn't that... what you want?
fluid grotto
You can disable this. But then it’s ALWAYS disabled, there is no animator control of it
real pond
@fluid grotto Yeah it is, unless you uncheck the "force locomotion animations for 6-point tracking" thing.
fluid grotto
Right but then it’s always disabled and he only wants it disabled when crouching
primal pond
even with the state behaviour?
fluid grotto
There is no control over that checkbox
primal pond
no not checkbox specifically
but you can change what parts of the skeleton are affected by either tracking or animation
fluid grotto
VRC animator tracking control does something different
It disables the IK and lets the animation play instead
primal pond
yea i never played with it so I wouldn't know
real pond
Basically, animation control sets hip and feet to animation while standing and walking, but the animations freak out.
fluid grotto
I guess the solution would be to uncheck it and manually disable the IK whenever you actually want it disabled, but you’d have to monitor velocity and make a walking state instead of using the standing bkendtree
real pond
You can still use the blendtree, but only enable it when velocity is over/under 0.
fluid grotto
Man we need a total velocity speed magnitude perimeter
real pond
I'm gonna go, but here's the Additive controller I made for it, it only has walking anims (no jumping).
https://i.imgur.com/WOy4iGI.png
primal pond
at what point can we consider unity's animator system a mini computer
fluid grotto
Well it’s Turing complete so
primal pond
we already got if statements with and, and or
fluid grotto
If it is turing complete, it’s a computer
primal pond
yes
severe cobalt
When you upload an avatar, does it upload the entire unity file or just what is needed to make the avatar work?
Just wanna know what all people get when they rip so I know if I have to make different Unity projects for each and every avatar. 🙄
marsh haven
You can't do anything to truly prevent ripping
fluid grotto
With future proofing off, it compiles the scene and sends it.
With future proofing on, it does the above, then also packages the project in a unitypackage and sends that as well.
severe cobalt
Not trying to prevent ripping, just lessen what they get in one go
marsh haven
Ah
Either way they'd still get everything besides the shaders.
Which with simple name checking they'd find anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fluid grotto
For worlds the entire scene is included.
For avatars, only the game object with the avatar descriptor and its children are included
severe cobalt
So, just to double clarify, if I have a Unity Project with 5 avatars in it, upload each, someone rips one of them, they only get the assets that went into that avatar. Yes?
fluid grotto
Assuming future proofing was off, yes.
silver adder
I should probably turn future proofing off then...
I've got all my avatars in a single project.
fluid grotto
Also I am pretty sure all past revisions of a blueprint are still accessible
Not sure on that though I don’t poke around the API much
severe cobalt
Okay thank you very much.
fluid grotto
But yes it is worth disabling future proofing for only the reason of faster uploads. They are probably never going to use the unitypackages you send them
VRChat got too popular, the idea of them recompiling everything I can’t imagine how much resources/time that would take
Maybe if it were done on demand 🤔
severe cobalt
Which I feel would be the only sensible way of going about it.
fluid grotto
What kind of be a nightmare the first time each avatar gets worn it takes like what three minutes to load
worldly obsidian
So... Hm. I'm trying to use Unity and import the SDK through the Import Package -> Custom Package option but I can't drag the assets into the the hierarchy? This is the SDK in Unity's 3D section, nothing else.
Oh. I thought this was #avatar-help
limber anchor
idk how to change avatar .. all the avatars in the game is boring i wanna new avatars
agile solar
Go avatar shopping.
untold geode
Is there a place on the internet with locomotion animation packages for download?
silver adder
Mixamo.
Fun fact, the majority of VRChat's default animations came from Mixamo.
Which is why the whole "proxy" animations thing in the SDK is even a thing, because they can't redistribute the animations.
sage cloak
yea
small crescent
did they break build & test for the 100th time with this update?
it keeps switching back to my last non-offline avatar instantly
eager horizon
I mean, Theres still the old way of uploading it, Thats what we did before the feature existed
Things just break in this game with every update, just get used to it
small crescent
oh i'm used to them breaking everything for 2 weeks at a time
eager horizon
than why complain about it
small crescent
because being used to crap QA doesn't mean you can't complain about it
eager horizon
become part of the QA than
small crescent
would be a very expensive QA
small crescent
i'd rather pay if it meant that the development environment didnt break every week
woeful ruin
@small crescent @eager horizon Would you mind posting a bug report on the issue? https://feedback.vrchat.com/client-bugs
That being said:
- Does the headlook issue occur with any avatar in use while in desktop, or do you have to use the latest SDK?
- Does this only occur on AV3 avatars, or does it happen on AV2 as well?
- Does this occur with the default locomotion controller, or a custom one?
kind meadow
aye yai yai did not know how much I needed offline build & test until it stopped working after the update ;___;
earnest willow
Could we please get a fix to the shoulders rolling whenever you're on Desktop? It's local only but it shouldn't even exist
It happens on Avatar 2.0 whenever you crouch and on 3.0 all the time
potent flare
To fix the shoulders on 3.0 you need to make a custom IK pose
I made a bug report on this a long time ago
There is no way to get rid of it on 2.0, but at least you can fix them on 3.0 avatars
woven pecan
Can i get an example of custom ik pose?
potent flare
I just simply took my idle animation and made it an IK pose lmao it worked somehow
woven pecan
Oh
potent flare
But yeah before my avatar would twist the arms or shoulders
woven pecan
I'll try that, thanks for the advice
potent flare
I really wish 3.0 had a lot more testing before going public, simply replacing 2.0 once it was completely ready. Now there are 2 versions of avatars and both are very broken. This is the most chaotic state the game has ever been in since 2018
A fix to one version breaks the other
New issues are born seemingly out of nowhere
woven pecan
hold your complain, there is still a new year update (hope it's not like last one) ;D
potent flare
I don't even know what happened last new year's, wasn't playing at the time, but I really hope that some of these issues get resolved soon
They focus on adding new features way too much
Don't they know that by adding more you are just breaking more
fluid grotto
It’s an early access game things are meant to break
potent flare
But not this much
fluid grotto
Yes, this much
fluid grotto
It’s really not
potent flare
You really are not adding an argument here
fluid grotto
I have some pretty complicated avatars.there are a few outstanding bugs currently that all have work arounds. The majority of “broken” things were not supported features yet anyway. Do you have specific examples?
potent flare
Well, I am pretty sure it's considered breaking when your avatar works completely fine on one update, but a few months pass and suddenly it's broken
fluid grotto
Well, I am pretty sure it's considered breaking when your avatar works completely fine on one update, but a few months pass and suddenly it's broken
@potent flare Not necessarily. Just becomes something works doesn’t mean it was made to documentation, and if it wasn’t, the fact that it broke wasn’t a bug.
primal pond
I mean they do have a point, one of the more recent updates broke 3.0 avatars completely, buuuut that's been mostly resolved by now
potent flare
lmao, my avatars are made as simple as possible
So what you are saying is that changing my idle pose is not in the documentation?
primal pond
so what exactly do you mean with "broken", in what way is it breaking
fluid grotto
Well without specific examples I can’t really comment. You are being very general and vague.
potent flare
and not to mention all the stuff you get to read about in these bug reports, worst part is that they all practically exist
primal pond
that's minor tho, yeesh
fluid grotto
Are you really going to call that broken? It is probably not intended behavior, but if that’s how everything worked initially, no one would be calling it a bug.
primal pond
not saying they shouldn't fix it tho
potent flare
It's just my example
It didn't work like that initially
When 3.0 came out, I made my avatar and it was fine
Now every 3.0 avatar does this
fluid grotto
Sorry but I feel like you’re making mountains out of mole hills
potent flare
to some degree
primal pond
it's a minor thing, I wouldn't exactly call it broken
potent flare
So you are saying that people shouldn't be able to make a custom idle pose?
fluid grotto
Yeah you might not like how it works but it’s certainly not broken
primal pond
where did I say that?
fluid grotto
Custom idle poses work just fine for me.
potent flare
They do, because this glitch happens to bigger or lesser degree, depending on the pose
primal pond
I don't see how this'd impair custom idle poses either
potent flare
Look, this issue didn't exist until recently so I it's extremely safe to say that this wasn't intended
primal pond
maybe that's one me tho, I don't see many people do custom locomotion animations yet
obviously it wasn't intended
and obviously it should be dealt with
fluid grotto
My avatar uses custom locomotion because I ride a skateboard when locomotion. It has not effected me at all
potent flare
So you are comparing something that doesn't move feet with IK that does?
fluid grotto
My feet move a lot, I push off the ground and etc
fluid grotto
The default walking animations don’t use Ik either, it’s disabled. It’s all animation.
primal pond
oh you're talking about the ik taking over the idle pose?
potent flare
Yes
potent flare
Now there is a weird delay
fluid grotto
If you don’t want the Ik, you can disable it.
primal pond
so you're complaining about the delay?
fluid grotto
I don’t see how the delay breaks anything
primal pond
I... what?
potent flare
Well it could be related
primal pond
yea the legs spreading out is just the ik taking over and readjusting
potent flare
Because before this, IK would update every time you would turn your avatar
fluid grotto
If you don’t like your default IK leg spread, there is a muscle slider for it in bone config screen
primal pond
wait that's thing adeon???
fluid grotto
Yes
primal pond
oh fuck
fluid grotto
potent flare
Well, let me have a look
primal pond
I thought that was for previewing?
potent flare
No, these are muscles
But either way it's already at 0
unless it works in reverse
primal pond
hm
fluid grotto
hm, good point. you want your feet closer together?
primal pond
wouldn't the ik pose determine the spread?
fluid grotto
You'll probably just have to edit your reference pose.
potent flare
Yes, how it stands normally before spreading out
The pose is already at the point where it should be
fluid grotto
IK pose should be t-pose. feet spread slider is what controls how far apart the feet targets are
potent flare
I will play around with this for a bit, will see what happens
fluid grotto
To be honest I've never messed with the IK pose
potent flare
I had to, because my avatar's arms would twist since the 3.0 update
Before it was fine
fluid grotto
Your bones might have been rotated oddly?
potent flare
Nope, I checked that for weeks before I tried changing the IK pose
primal pond
could you show us the original pose anyway? just in case
fluid grotto
And you had no first child warnings or anything?
primal pond
no the pose you get when first importing
potent flare
So the default IK pose?
primal pond
front and side view
potent flare
do you need to see bones?
primal pond
that would be helpful, yes
lime escarp
I am having a hard time finding hard numbers on avatar limitations. Is there a wiki page I am missing that outlines in clear numbers what the recommended limits for everything from bone counts to texture resolution and shader amounts are?
Or is it all more... loosey goosey?
potent flare
When you compile your avatar it will basically tell you where your avatar is at
Performance warnings
if you don't get them you are doing well
lime escarp
Hmm, I see!
3.0 (among other things) finally got me interested in making VRC content, and I like adding fluff and features. But there's many ways to approach things like clothing variants, it'd be nice to have a reference telling me whether a texture atlas or extra drawcalls from shaders would be most acceptable...
I guess I'll just have to do trial and error, then!
potent flare
You should be fine, the only thing that VRchat gets really upset about is dynamic bones
lime escarp
Eggselent
primal pond
While the performance rating vrc gives is a good estimate, it's not always accurate when making some larger avatars
potent flare
It's reaction to dynamic bones doesn't even make sense anymore since you can disable them
primal pond
Yea, one of my avatars has an absurd number of shit on it but only a few of those are rendered/enabled at a time
So the performance drop is really not as bad as vrc would estimate it
potent flare
It just shouldn't count towards it anymore
lime escarp
Oh, there was a list with hard numbers
potent flare
for example my avatar would be medium if it wasn't for the dynamic bones
primal pond
Well when I look at the performance rating I usually go by "what would it do if I have EVERYTHING enabled at once"
So the avatar I was talking about has about 3 meshes enabled at a time: a head, clothing and an axe
But because I have multiple outfits on there my avatar is ranked at low performance
potent flare
People have asked to only count performance on the visible layers
primal pond
Yea thing is, that's kinda difficult to estimate
potent flare
I am all for it, but one problem still remains, the rest of the layers still sit in your computer's memory which affects performance in a way
primal pond
To calculate the different combinations would be pretty hard
Yea true, they do have a slight impact
But it's much less than the system is telling you
potent flare
Yup
I am currently testing the IK stuff
There is definitely something very off
Things are acting really weirdly
I just tried sprinting around and the legs are... I don't know how to describe... sticky?
Ok, there is definitely nothing I can do, I just tried some other avatar and this one is even weirder... the legs go forward instead of sideways
It seems I was right, restoring the default pose reduces the effect
primal pond
The fuck
potent flare
Now it looks like all the 3.0 avatars
slightly spreading
But I need the pose on my avatar, it's the whole point to deliver that look
I guess I have to hope they notice my report and do something about it
I even tried to make a pose where the legs go inside of each other to try to counter the effect, the same thing still happens
very resilient
fluid grotto
But I need the pose on my avatar, it's the whole point to deliver that look
@potent flare disable auto-foot stepping doesn't fix this for you?
potent flare
It does, but that disables IK completely which shouldn't be required
My avatar worked for years with IK enabled, I don't see why it shouldn't now
fluid grotto
I guess I don't know the behavoir you want. Auto footsteps would always mess up custom feet positioning
potent flare
It didn't until recently
Therefore it as a glitch
Seriously, I am not dumb. I made this avatar with 3.0 it worked flawlessly once I fixed the twisting arms issue which still exists on 2.0 avatars when you crouch by the way.
primal pond
lemme go check if this happens on my end too
potent flare
They simply messed something up with foot tracking in these recent updates, I only wish I knew which one so I could pinpoint the exact problem
I haven't played for months
Your avatar might not spread legs, but do pay attention to how your legs move when you stand still for a while, that didn't used to happen unless you would rotate your avatar (look around)
primal pond
yea sometimes one of my feet seem to take a step back
potent flare
That is exactly what it is
It just doesn't appear to be as bad when using a default pose
primal pond
from what I can tell it's simply the ik kicking in too soon
potent flare
From what I noticed it actually kicks in too late
Your feet would be tracked instantly before
So as soon as you would stop moving your feet are already tracked
but now it's weird
primal pond
well yea it's delayed when stopping movement
potent flare
They might have done this on purpose to maybe save network performance, but they caused a new glitch with it
primal pond
yea one of my models seem to slightly spread their legs a little bit
yea doesn't seem like you can do much against it
potent flare
Yup, I already tried all I think that could help, but it didn't
The only thing that works is disabling IK
But that's not really an option in my opinion
primal pond
I mean, unless you want to make your own locomotion system
potent flare
But now I wonder if this is local or everyone can see it
I don't think that would fix it, this is pretty much hardcoded into the game. You can see any avatar doing the exact same thing
try 2.0 as well
anything that has IK
primal pond
with own locomotion system I meant have the ik be off and go purely on animations
potent flare
I know they have been tinkering with IK recently, so the fault lies there
primal pond
or even make your own ik, finalik is supported
potent flare
Ah, but all these things shouldn't be
The IK worked completely fine for a very long time, they just need to fix it up
primal pond
yea they definitely need to brush up the ik
potent flare
Do you want to test if this is local or not? I am curious
primal pond
but i'm just saying, if it bothers you that much, those are your options
sure we can test that
potent flare
My name is exactly the same on VRchat
potent flare
sent a friend request to you
fluid grotto
There is some bone roll oddness that happens locally that seems to vanish after it all gets pumped over network IK. Something is lost in translation and it ends up fixing weird bone rolls
mossy ridge
Has anyone had an issue yesterday when props was not being displayed to other users? Want to know just incase my friends somehow had animations disabled or something like that. Or if I somehow did something wrong, even tho the props showed up for me just fine.
fluid grotto
Be sure it is actually updating when uploaded. Change something obvious
tepid sage
hey can anyone shed some light on an issue i have.
i transformed my avatar from SDK2 to SDK3. but somehow that fucked up the dynamic bones on the skirt, without touching them at all. it took me ages to make them collide okay-ish on SDK2 and idk why they break on SDK3 suddenly
raw smelt
anyone know a good place to buy/commission avatars?
woven pecan
@raw smelt check first one in #community-servers-old called VRC Traders. I'm not sure if this is the best place, but they are at least moderated
the best option is to find someone you know so as not to become a victim of scammers :/
upper remnant
graceful nest
👍
fluid grotto
Also gumroad
sand wren
deviantart and bowlroll and sfmlabs and blendswap and many other sites have a plethera of free public assets though
fervent swift
Looking for an avatar base files if you know where to get them lmk. 'I'm looking for the files for TDA Amai by Leillada.'
fluid grotto
Putting audio of each Viseme as an animation to see if I can understand it trying to repeat what I say lol
sonic spade
Oh that's gonna be interesting
fallow sequoia
@fluid grotto cool! Been wondering when someone would try that. We may need an option to mute speech and just let the viseme triggered sounds play.
barren hemlock
I was thinking of making a speech recognition system using the viseme parameter. Would be neat to use for word-activated stuff
sand wren
i was gonna do that for my kk slider avatar so u just speak in animal crossing
and i could make it with avatar interaction features where if u also use animal crossing avatar u can hear
misty moon
How can i make it so that when i make a fist in vrchat my avatar plays a set animation?
sand wren
make it so that in your animator when GestureLeft or GestureRight is 1, transition to animation
undone patrol
hello
final urchin
If i use steam to make vrchat account how do i do the vrchat sdk so i can publish my avatar
austere rose
you do vrchat account
agile solar
If i use steam to make vrchat account how do i do the vrchat sdk so i can publish my avatar
@final urchin You can't use a Steam account to upload stuff.
final urchin
Can i tern it into a vrchat account like i created it through vrchat not steam. I used steam can i chang it
silver adder
You can link a VRChat account to your Steam account.
agile solar
^
silver adder
You'll keep your progress.
pastel cargo
Hello I would anyone happen to have the puppet Kermit avatar, the one with the noodly legs and arms? That’s on your hand
Or if you know where I could obtain it that would also be appreciated
neon finch
Does avatars 3 work with XPS models?
tepid sage
does a smart person here know how i can put the avatar SDK2 default crouch on avatar SDK3? i cant find the default crouching animation anywhere
safe mirage
@tepid sage you can put an Idle stand anim to the crouch and should give you the result you want
tepid sage
thanks ill try that when i get back on pc later owo
wanton thicket
are avatars 3.0 like, having physics if you touch yourself with dynamic bones? i saw some avatars that can interactue with their clothes or ears and something like that
foggy pelican
You could always interact with your own dynamic bones
wanton thicket
really? i never tried, that's awesome!
foggy pelican
Just needs to have dynamic bone colliders set up.
Though it's not exactly good for performance if used in excess.
wanton thicket
i didn't know how, thanks you nwn
cedar lodge
hii i'm lookin for an animator that looks more like an SDK2 avatar with crouch and stuff
idk if someone here already changed those SDK 3 idles for something more normal
upper talon
@foggy pelican U/I
merry swan
Action layer sure is picky about layer order, have one that disables locomotion on a toggle at bottom it will make my avatar 'bicycle' pose instead of running the animations above it, but if its the first layer it behaves.
tepid sage
@safe mirage it is not exactly the same crouch as avatar 2.0 has
i need to find the exact same one to make the dynamic bones i put on the skirt works
frail chasm
I was wondering if anyone would be up to fixing this model in unity for me
tepid sage
nvm i found it. there were multiple ones
burnt flax
i see anim body with other obj don't work so well. i try making among us avatar and try get to do vent and it just end up broken. any recommend how fix that?
forest lintel
Any fix for VRoid avatars having their legs look like a pretzel?
strong tree
Does avatars 3 work with XPS models?
@neon finch well, you need to convert it, and almost all XPS models need some to get the Polycount and bone count lower so they can work in VRChat
neon finch
So its possible for a vrchat avatars to have TOO many polygons!?
fluid grotto
Yes. 70000 triangles is the maximum recommended. Any higher is considered VeryPoor.
neon finch
Well, I'm not particularly worried, the XPS model I'm using is actually a model rip from a naruto ultimate ninja storm game, its not a highly realistic model commonly seen with XPS models.
upbeat sundial
Where do you guys feel is the best site to purchase high quality avatars?
That don't have to do with commissions because those can be hundreds as I understand it
neon finch
Gumroad and Booth.pm are very popular from what I've seen.
Sketchfab can be good but be careful because there's a lot of non-game ready models there
upbeat sundial
Hmmm haven't seen gumroad ill give it a try thanks!
crystal cosmos
anyone do 3d modeling here? pls dm 
woven pecan
@crystal cosmos go to #3d-modeling
ocean hare
I'm not sure if I'm in the right place to be asking for this, but anyone know where i can find some Undertale avatars? Really weird and specific i know but would be useful.
void robin
Just type "Undertale" into the World search bar and see what comes up
ocean hare
Good idea
bleak bluff
Does anyone have a big tits anime 3.0
woven pecan
a man of culture as well
silver adder
Does anyone have a big tits anime 3.0
NFSW avatars are against the community guidelines.
neon finch
I think it’s only if you use them in public worlds
sand wren
to some extent yes
the major rule is if the users are of age and consenting to the behavior
and if its not being streamed to a service that isnt mature
because its a report based system, so if people report you, you get banned
silver adder
I saw someone with a NFSW avatar in a public instance yesterday, couldn't report them without making it obvious tho.
What trust rank do you have to be to use the in-game reporting functionality?
merry swan
social menu , click there if you dont wanna click the avatar
silver adder
I've done that many times, but I've never seen a report button.
sand wren
its when you go into details
or click them on social
that or write one up on the website with more details
i think double reporting is also OK
i.e. if the avatar is NSFW and for trolling and the user is harassing you
u can report them both
wind scarab
So y afraid to point and report you can block them then report all at the same time
floral marten
valid kraken
Can someone please help me find a turkey avatar for my friend?
one that can be downloaded within the game
thank you!
austere rose
@tepid sage replace the prone by idle2 for the sdk2 pose as example.
tulip thicket
So apparently unity assets are on sale right now, I already got dynamic bones but is there other stuff like particular shaders that I should pick up?
I didn't know if I should put this under help cuz its more of a general discussion kinda thing imo
toxic arch
Oooo someone ping me with responses too 👁️
low whale
I just spent at least an hour messing around with particle force fields and making a particle animation with them and setting up the FX layer and everything, only to find out they're not allowed when I clicked upload 🙃
gentle flare
So apparently unity assets are on sale right now, I already got dynamic bones bu...
Poiyomi shaders, it can be free if you search for it
silver adder
Dynamic Bone is really the only asset that VRChat directly utilizes.
strong tree
Poiyomi shaders, it can be free if you search for it
it is free, but there is a paid "pro" version, which mostly just get new features earlier added
neon plaza
@tulip thicket @toxic arch some good things to look at on my list include; UMotion Pro, Mesh Baker, AllSky, Final IK (these are all for various use cases- Avatar/World making)
tulip thicket
ooo animation editor
neon plaza
A good real time lighting based shader on there is RealToon, I don't use it myself but a friend does, its good for some things
tulip thicket
awesome, i'll look into these, thank you for the recs
light kraken
hi, i've been looking into making avatars, just wondering
a) what version of unity to use
b) are there any other programs i need
i have never done any 3d modelling ever so this is probably not a great place to start
fluid grotto
Unity 2018.4.20f1 to upload and edit content
Blender (current version) if you are modeling new content or editing models
And you’ll need to download VRCSDK from vrchat.com, which is an add-on to unity that gives you all the vrchat stuff with the upload button
marsh haven
Is there a solid method of sort of optimizing a shit ton of animator layers?
fluid grotto
What exactly are you doing to optimize them
upper remnant
Other than reducing layers to what is necessary, you can avoid using any state or resting in a state that checks an excessive amount of conditions
fluid grotto
How many transition checks would be considered excessive
marsh haven
Yeah I'm trying to minimize it as much as I can, but since I'm also using a lot of Particle drivers for this particular project I was thinking of there being other small things I could do alongside it.
fluid grotto
And if you have exit time that only checks at the end of every loop, that’s less intensive right
upper remnant
Not sure, I don't know anyone that has profiled that.
@marsh haven you can turn stuff off non-locally since you're most likely making something that only needs to do particle death locally
marsh haven
You mean like the particles themselves holding the driver? If so they're off by default ofcourse. Same with the Menu
fluid grotto
The downside of making stuff local only and driving it with parameters is it will be slightly ahead of the rest of your animations, which are synced up with your network Ik.
marsh haven
In this case that wouldn't matter a lot
fluid grotto
I had a skateboard that appeared when I walked around, if I did it with perimeter drivers people would see my skateboard vanish before I actually stopped walking, and appear a good 2 seconds before they’d see me start moving
marsh haven
Yeah but I'm using like a UI and menu that does physically requires me to touch the UI which drives a Local paramater that drives 2 synced parameters (Combination system) which then has it's own behavior
toxic arch
<@!249371015744978945> <@!193525465732874241> some good things to look at on my ...
Thank you! Picking up UMotion and final IK as they will also be hella useful for my own game development
keen yacht
Can someone try to help me find Seven Deadly Sins Avatars for quest 2? What worlds have them if anyone knows?
brazen pine
does anyone know where i can get the nutter butter skin
silver adder
That's a base game avatar. Just scroll through the "Public Avatars" list until you find it.
brazen pine
do you have the skin
rich nest
pallid elk
Alright, for real time. How to i bone my eyes to get them to not make me derpy in 3.0
I adjust them a tiny little increment in blender, and they go the other way XD
sand wren
i dont know what you mean
eye bones have to be 0 roll, pointed straight upward
and you change the rotations in the descriptor
agile citrus
Anyone here interested on making me a custom avatar? (payed)
neon finch
dm a spotify song or playlist to listen to!
opal gale
hey guys were can i find scp avatars
tawny laurel
Quick question about avatars 3.0 performance. If i have an avatar that's poor performance because of dynamic bones, but good performance normally, and I add a way to disable the dynamic bone scripts with the action menu, will the performance in game be equivalent to a good avatar even though it says poor as a lower bound?'
graceful nest
Nope
It's not dynamic, but if people have their dynamic bone limiter on then it's gonna display the rank according to that
solemn hamlet
Anyone have attack on titan titan avatar so i can copy him plz
barren hemlock
Actually yes @tawny laurel That does work. It won't update the performance rank, but your avatar will be as performant as if you don't have those bones on it
Also note that they must have your animations shown for that toggle to work for their game
pastel cargo
Hey, anyone know where to get the Rick astley dancing avatar?
heady glacier
Can someone mod my avitar please
low whale
So I was going to share a package for a particle effect I made that constantly spawns particles in a rainbow pattern in the shape of your body, and allows you to drop particle clones in the world, then make them explode/etc. But when testing it on models other than my own main one, the particle effect pointing to the body mesh seems to be generating particles in a shape that's like... a bunch of large circles that are generally arranged in the shape of a body? I don't know anything about modeling itself - does anyone know why this would be the case? Is it something to do with some sort of technique that is used? On my model the effect matches the shape of the actual body perfectly.
upper remnant
@low whale what are your shape module settings? It's probably just the geometry of that particular avatar
low whale
I use it on vertex/random for mine but I tried two free ones I got online on all the various types/modes, vertex, triangle, edge, random, loop
They all seem to result in generally the same weird "a bunch of circles" appearance
upper remnant
you may want to take them into blender and try to see what it might be doing
low whale
I could try that, though I don't know a whole lot about blender. I sort of figured the effect would work on any avatar, and found it kind of weird that I got the same thing twice in a row, although maybe that was a coincidence. I'll try some more as well and see if they have the same issue
upper remnant
yeah, because you got a similar effect with different avatars, it could be unrelated to geometry and maybe your subsequent attempts are broken some other way
i think the only thing you can do is try to inspect those avatars in blender as well as you can, and maybe try other avatars. or you could continue to fiddle with settings until something positive happens
low whale
Will do, thank you for the insight!
simple talon
Does anyone know some good looking realistic shaders?
vestal shell
agile solar
Depends on the complexity and the commissioner's rates.
Some charge >$100, some $20.
valid patrol
Some charge $1000 and give you a base with free deviant art models
hardy vigil
is there some exact definition on what is acceptable in err...
well adult female chest fat
cough ||nipple rulings||
valid patrol
I think you cant have the tip
hardy vigil
so really no "pointy bit" bumps in shirts?
hardy vigil
hmm... is there an official source
valid patrol
rules?
hardy vigil
i kinda tried looking for the documentation that people keep mentioning when it comes to versions of things recommended but nobody can tell me where documentation is ^^;
valid patrol
The community guidlines only say no nudity or pron
fluid grotto
General rule is, if you have to ask, the answer is no.
Use common sense. If you aren't sure, don't do it.
hardy vigil
generally speaking, that's a pretty bad rule of thumb
valid patrol
Probably best to not have anything at all
hardy vigil
but yes, i get what you mean. More like i'm using tools to start myself off with a starting ground, but said tool does have those parts, that i am trying to minimalize it as best as possible
just thinking on the "if i don't do good enough" side of things as a precautionary
hardy vigil
yeah trying not to add to it tbh
well to keep a long story rather short, I wanna get a "Barbie doll" esque version as a base model.
then when i'm satisfied with the rigging and such i wish to make several versions that are in different outfits
this is why i was asking for extra oppinions
valid patrol
Its pretty much up to a mod at that point
fluid grotto
I'd not upload anything that you'd get banned on Twitch for.
valid patrol
You get banned on twitch for the stupidest things
hardy vigil
well i'd ban myself from twitch for twich existing to be fair
valid patrol
dont use that as an example
hardy vigil
i hate the platform
valid patrol
Youtube is its own biased shit show
hardy vigil
think i'm in the clear then
yeah but at least i know it's a shitshow i wouldn't get banned from
😂
valid patrol
both platforms love animal abuse
hardy vigil
thanks adeon
valid patrol
and have biases towards certain groups of people
valid patrol
youtube is biased to mainstream celeberties and stuff, and twitch is just pokimaine or something
hardy vigil
hey i don't know how much automatic moderation is a thing in VRchat. but i do know that oculus users are screwed from Facebook automation
valid patrol
and that one who threw a cat
fluid grotto
Just remember the minimum age for VRChat is 13, so, don't upload anything that would be inappropriate to other players of that age.
valid patrol
look up alinity throws cat
hardy vigil
think i'll pass, but still wtf
fluid grotto
And as far as the animal discussion goes, please, #general-media
valid patrol
ok
hardy vigil
yup yup, back to koi ^^;
valid patrol
dont feel like going to another channel so ill just shut up
hardy vigil
or talk avatars 🙂
strong tree
I would say, basically everything that you can see on people/people wearing in public (real life, that is) and is commonly accepted, should be allowed.
compact fog
dry slate
sinful junco
So basically by if i just had a sphere , enabled as collider, activate a particle on the fist animation that can be toggled if wanted, put a sphere in the vicinity of where a weapon would be on a avatar, if within the sphere let it live for a set time, if exits then kill, this particle has a subemitter that spawns the weapon as a particle but parented to the hand to that it appears that you've just grabbed a gun off your avatar at any given moment with out activating any gestures and or emotes. but then again the question is why , why would you do this much when you know the other way of doing it would be less complicated, it would still work and be more optimized. but then again at the same time having something not alot of other people have done to their avatars before would be pretty cool however at the same time no. just no. you wouldnt do that. Some people call me a terrorist. I consider myself a teacher. America, ready for another lesson? In 1864, in Sand Creek, Colorado, the U.S. Military waited until the friendly Cheyenne Braves had all gone hunting. Waited to attack and slaughter the families left behind. And claim their land. Thirty-nine hours ago, the Ali al-Salam Air Base in Kuwait was attacked. I, I, I did that. A quaint military church, filled with wives and children, of course. The soldiers were out on maneuvers. The 'Braves' were away. President Ellis, you continue to resist my attempts to educate you, sir. And now, you've missed me again. You don't know who I am. You don't know where I am. And you'll NEVER see me coming.
silver adder
Wut
unreal pelican
If you formatted that neater I might have actually read it entirely.
Instead of this huge wall of text.
teal dirge
strong tree
I need a lot of things, but they aren't just magically turning up ;)
woven pecan
i have an angel dust model, but it's sfm
odd spade
Does anyone have a defalt, aiden, or wrench avatar from watch dogs?
sand wren
odd spade
do you know of any safe sites that i wont give my pc aids with?
supple cliff
does anyone know why my vrchat pictures dont save to my vrchat pictures folder.. and know these arent steam screenshots
odd spade
thx 👌
odd spade
also found out about tobias's avatar world while i was looking
ivory nebula
default expressions menu uses voodoo magic :(
undone swan
Anyone got some gender neutral avatars and is willing to share them?
raw yew
deft lodge
Going to post that here as well 
AV3 Feature request to get a "Health" parameter when playing PVP gamemodes (or any gamemode that includes an avatar health system)
https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/feedback-can-we-please-get-a-health-parameter
real patrol
I like this idea despite how little it may be 👀
vast fern
Are there any tutorials on how to add custom locomotion animations? I'm not having any luck finding any.
fluid grotto
Short version:
Grab copy of the example locomotion controller from the example folder in your SDK and attach it to the locomotion layer slot on your avatar descriptor.
Then inspect the controller and replace the animation clips you find in it with ones you want to replace
That’s if you just want to replace the animations with your own, if you want your own custom logic let me know what you want it to do
gloomy marsh
I’ve always wondered...
Does the avatar’s model have to be packaged in order to be turned into a model or can it be unpacked completely?
vast fern
Short version:
Grab copy of the example locomotion controller from the example ...
Thank you. I was pretty confused because I was trying to edit the Running Proxy Animations but those were only 1 frame. I figure I have to animate a full run cycle.
fluid grotto
Yeah the proxy animations are just placeholders. the uploader will see the word “proxy” and replace it with the real thing. If you want your own animations they’ll need to be from scratch. And rename them
The unity standard for walk cycles is one foot hitting the floor at the start of the animation and the other foot hitting the floor in the middle. That way you can blend walks into runs etc. Total speed/length of the animation doesn’t matter, it all gets normalized 
agile solar
In VRC or Unity?
agile solar
You... can't. You need a headset to move your hands/arms.
Your mouse only controls your head movement.
neon plaza
@vapid patio its 'R' on your keyboard, only works if its actually set up in the avatar
vapid patio
how do u do your own custom animations
agile solar
how do u do your own custom animations
They have to be part of the avatar itself.
real patrol
The lengths people go
vapid patio
what
agile solar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ZO33ptU44&t=34s
@neon finch Hey! It's you! 
neon finch
If you read the description for the video, it has a link to M.O.O.N.'s tutorial for it
woven pecan
Moon's tutorials is unfinished
Of course, now you can move your arm, but it cost you your gestures
Or, you can do it in other way (probably) and have both features
vapid patio
If you read the description for the video, it has a link to M.O.O.N.'s tutorial ...
yes Ik but Im asking that how do u open avatar 3.0
Ill watch the vid but first I need to open it
woven pecan
yes Ik but Im asking that how do u open avatar 3.0
Do you mean animator?
vapid patio
Idk
sand wren
u would need to make a puppet menu that animates ur arm based on 3 parameters
vague agate
do anyone know avatars with cool animation
wet swift
Does anybody know where I can get the base for this avatar https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781490385951653908/781538914367701003/unknown.png ?
woven pecan
Does anybody know where I can get the base for this avatar https://cdn.discordap...
looks like ukon
tame galleon
Has anyone ever seen the small cockatiel head in a business suit avatar? The business suit portion is modeled after a normal human. I would like to clone this if possible
slow violet
I am looking for an artist to commission a custom Avatar - Please DM me if interested with fees, Approx time needed to complete and an example of work would be nice 🙂
lusty escarp
Anyone know where I can find the avatar that's just a sign describing different vr chat users?
brazen panther
does anyone know where i can find couple avatars ?
woven pecan
worlds -> avatar worlds
lapis ocean
Can anyone help me find a Gardevior Avatar???
agile solar
Can anyone help me find a Gardevior Avatar???
Pokémon avatar worlds exist.
lapis ocean
Pokémon avatar worlds exist.
So there's two of them one for Quest in 1 for PC
deft horizon
ma dudesies im struggling hard to find an anti-spiral avatar from tengenn toppa or something like it any help with finding something like that?
remote valley
Can the bounce effect of a springjoint only really be done in VR? I made a springjoint but went to test it in desktop and couldn't really notice it even in an MMD world
misty granite
Any advanced avatar/prop makers here taking commissions?
robust orchid
Does anyone know the limitation/extent of how far you can go with replacing an fbx in a project with a new updated version to avoid going through setup process with rigging and exporting materials and all of that
what causes problems with this
Like how far is okay
I assume it gets bad when I start adding new materials and stuff or deforming the mesh or adding new bones to the skeleton, stuff like this
but weight painting and such would be fine
sand wren
@robust orchid u can do literally whatever u want with the fbx, there are no limitations
although if u break it u won't really have a backup fbx
and also if u make rigging changes u might have to reconfigure its humanoid into tpose or switch it to generic and back to humanoid if new humanoid bones were added
and also usually unity will replace objects by name so if u swap the names of 2 meshes it will swap their components
but if u change somethings hierarchy it should follow the object just fine
u can also add or change materials as long as u re-extract them if theyre inappropriate
robust orchid
cool awesome.
I've been doing that instead of constantly reconfiguring my files when doing small changes.
it's seemed to be going well for me i just wasnt sure the limits. but what you've said makes sense to me
as long as I'm not doing major massive changes it should be fine, which is what i kinda thought
sand wren
well massive changes should still work
it would just require you to undo what was improperly set up and redo it
which is more work than just setting it up from a clean slate
but usually i use 2 fbx files
one is a backup for latest working version
and another is the newest version
if everything is fine no issues i copy all components that i didnt have with a script and then test
cosmic mesa
Can anyone here help me make my own avatar
blissful hinge
Anyone know where people are getting that fairly common robot hand for their VRC avatars?