cinder bay
I guess ya, but I'm just wanting to try and make a vehicle that uses the vr controllers as much as possible. So I was planning on having a physical e-brake, light switch, and maybe a gearshift?
But still, the answers are seriously appreciated, I've been wondering how to do this since I started playing this game, and I was never really able to get a straight answer.
Also, would the jittering affect objects that are technically part of the main player's avatar?
grand temple
on the current live build, the jittering isn't too bad on the avatar. It's only really the pickups. In beta, it's a bit more problematic, the avatar can fall behind and so can your view point. Also there's an issue where udon is not capable of making the player sit down in a seat
I would probably recommend holding off on cars in udon at the moment, it's not really possible right now due to those issues. Setplayervelocity is great though if you want to do some pickup-based mobility tools
cinder bay
Got it, and ya, I noticed that issue in the current public build as well
cinder bay
Also, how much easier is it to work with weapon animations? Because I know if you want to pull off realistic gunfire you need to mess around with state machines which are janky as hell currently.
grand temple
I wouldn't say state machines are janky, you just need to know how to work with them. Some of the specific rules you have to follow for objectsync to work properly is taxing, yes. The main thing that udon changes is that you can move the logic away from the state machine and onto udon, which is the way it should be. Then the state machine is purely visual, which significantly simplifies things. And the udon can handle everything from syncing to the number of bullets you have left
scarlet lake
what are some of the specific rules to conform to object sync with state machines?
With Udon I made a gun ammo GUI pretty easily, using udon to trigger animations on the animation controller, but I'm not sure exactly what the best way to do that is for sync.
fickle stirrup
udon and sync are not currently compatible 
scarlet lake
sync as in udon variable sync, sync as in animation controller sync via VRCObjectSync or syncing animation controller when interacted with via Udon?
quartz agate
I was about to ask a question of udon(food) then im reading this and see thats not the case here
pseudo marsh
The naming is intentional, and the things you connect the nodes with are called noodles, but that's about the similarities ^^
quartz agate
Thank
sullen flume
why udon instead of ramen though
halcyon badge
Udon thicc
quartz agate
i agree with thiccness
sullen flume
oh well, can't really argue with that
ramen usually have thicc soup compare to udon though...
pseudo marsh
It's a pity when you have eaten Udon / Ramen in Japan at least once and then come back only to be disappointed when you grab some from your favourite local Asian restaurant. No real way to get the original with all the ingredients here though :/
obsidian pawn
Are the Vector3 Set X/Y/Z nodes broken? I'm confused because there is no output to store, and my debug logs are showing that it is doing nothing to my Vector3 variable
obsidian pawn
okay thanks.
halcyon badge
That's why I had so many issues lol, worked around it but glad to know
scarlet lake
Is the udon update going to improve the fullbody for the avatars?
grand temple
it will improve the way that other people see you, but I'm not sure if there are any changes locally. It's not due to udon though, it's mostly because of the 2018 update. And udon is being packaged together with 2018
scarlet lake
Oh. I'm saying that because a few people said vrchat udon update is gonna change how the body off the fullbody works so it works more natural.
Vrchat did say they improved it not so long ago but not the best improvement
grand temple
"udon update" technically yes. Udon itself has nothing to do with it though
sullen flume
@pseudo marsh u can still find good japanese restaurant if u look hard enough, but yea they r rare
pseudo marsh
I mean there are only 2 in my area, one is a ramen/udon shop and the other a full restaurant, the food at the latter should be quite good according to a friend. Still have to go there though.
pseudo marsh
Near Hannover, Germany
dusk compass
i need help from a vrchat moderator or administraitor
pseudo marsh
This is the wrong channel to do so. Check #user-support-old and #vrchat-support
@dusk compass
opaque sage
if you indeed want personal help from a moderator / administrator in regards to VRChat stuff then https://help.vrchat.com/new
Unless it's specific Udon stuff then just ask it here and anyone might help you out 
turbid hull
Does vrchat have any mechanism for persistence of data across sessions for a user in a world? I saw something about "high score tracking" being possible somewhere, how is that stored and handled?
torpid patrol
No there is no persistence of data
raven peak
The talk was probably what persistent data could look like and could be used for.
stuck mountain
@turbid hull there is some work done on building a string and putting it into a UI InputField, and letting the user select, copy and paste it to save and restore state. I think this is a pretty good approach
VRC UI Shape doesn't currently work so it will be a bit tricky to test this until they fix the UI shape which lets you click on input fields etc
hazy galleon
state of the world as a giant password
hollow garden
oh, hadnt thought of using the clipboard to get text in
meager dove
Why is it that when I get an object's position, if I get its global position I can see it changing correctly, while the local position seems to be stuck at what it was in the beginning? Shouldn't it be getting the position relative to its parent?
grand temple
you're definitely interpreting it correctly, that could potentially be a bug. How do you have things set up? Does it have a parent or is it just sitting in the scene directly?
meager dove
the object is parented to another object, on which I have the udon script
grand temple
and you're certain it's checking repeatedly? How is it being outputted?
meager dove
I'm checking on every update, and outputting it through the debug log
if I get the global position, I can see it getting updated as I move the object
grand temple
and you're moving the object itself, right? Not the parent?
meager dove
however, if I get the local position, it's stuck to the initial value
yeah, the object itself
I tried both by moving it with the move tool, and adding a rigidbody component to have it fall
in both cases the same thing seems to happen!
grand temple
ok it took me a minute to get back, but I just checked myself and it is definitely working
I wouldn't be surprised if you're just running into the classic problem of not compiling. The easiest way to fix it that I know of is to duplicate the graph, compile that, delete the old graph, and replace it with the new one on any gameobjects that use it.
meager dove
hmm, I will try doing that then!
still not working ;_;
I also tried it on other objects and scenes, and the results are the same
just to be sure, these are the relevant noodles
also I'm pretty sure it is compiling correctly, since when I switch from local position to global position, it starts tracking it correctly
tame matrix
local position is the position you read from the inspector
also note that if you print a vector it will only print the values up to one decimal point so if the object hasn't moved enough it might seem like the value hasn't changed
meager dove
yeah, that's the position I need!
also when I move it, I can see the value in the inspector changing, but the output remains the same
dawn gate
you could try duplicating the nodes that are giving you the position, I know I had issues with trying to re-use some nodes for both the true and false sections of a branch, maybe that same issue is also happening here?
like have one set of nodes for setting the variables at start, and one set of nodes for getting the position during update
meager dove
I will give this a try as soon as I can!
scarlet lake
That copy and paste world state idea is pretty good. I wonder if there's any compression algorithms made for it.
meager dove
@dawn gate duplicating the nodes seems to have worked!! thank you!!!
dawn gate
nice!
turbid hull
Hmm, reading from a string and writing to a string based on some state associated with the player might be the way to load user data
fiery yoke
Now that made me think of Input Field character limits and since you can set that to infinite, what would happen if you just fill them up with data? Probably just a out of memory exception/crash. So I guess be careful with the complexity of your string xD
grand temple
Apparently the clipboard size is determined entirely by how much ram you have so you can probably go wild
The real limiting factor is decoding it. That can expensive ish after only a few hundred characters. Not enough to be unreasonable, but certainly enough that you wouldn't want to be doing that much every frame
muted valley
is there a plan to make it where quest can see all avatars?
covert ingot
Probably not, also wrong channel
muted valley
oh then where would i ask this
covert ingot
grand temple
where you ask won't change the answer
it's a limitation of the quest itself, they're just not powerful enough
muted valley
@grand temple dude it has over 100 megs of ram
scarlet lake
Any pitfalls with setting the type in Game Object Get Component as a string instead of using an explicit type node?
flint urchin
Nope, just got to know the names
queen panther
I'm very new to udon, how would I get an object to move forward when a button (ex: w) is pressed down? I'm trying to make a very simple vehicle
grand temple
@queen panther you can get player input with input.getkey or input.getkeydown. the first goes on/off directly with the key, and the second goes on for just a single frame when the key is pressed. To use this, you need an update loop that detects the input and then branches if it's true. Then for a very simple example, you can do transform.translate on the object you want to move. You don't want this to be frame rate dependent, so the amount it moves needs to be multiplied by time.deltatime (or time.fixeddeltatime if you're in fixed update). When you do that, the amount it will move will be in units per second rather than units per frame.
You can also use input.getrawaxis with Horizontal/Vertical, which will give you floats between -1 and 1 based on input. This will work in VR unlike getkey A
queen panther
Thank you so much!
queen panther
so this is what i did, but it's not doing anything when i press play and then press w
it works if i get rid of inputs and just have the update method. so i assume something is wrong with how i'm implementing inputs
stuck mountain
@scarlet lake check out #udon-info for more info. Basically udon is a new scripting engine developed by vrchat, based on unity c# functions
fiery yoke
@queen panther Regarding your particular case:
Input.GetKeyDown is only true for the first frame when the key is pressed.
In this particular case you would probably want to look into "Input.GetAxisRaw"
In particular "Horizontal" and "Vertical", these are responsible for WASD-like moving
grand temple
He's not doing getkeydown, he has getkey. That should work, but maybe you're not focusing the game tab? Input will only work on the game tab.
queen panther
I got w and s to work, but i'm struggling to get a and d directions to work
grand temple
yeah that's why you would want to do getrawaxis instead
queen panther
i did do that
grand temple
can I see?
grand temple
I can't see what you're doing in the vertical one
but I wouldn't have two separate translates. Instead use vector3 constructor in order to plug in separate values for the x and the z
grand temple
that should work. You might be having trouble with the compiler, it's a very common problem. Try duplicating the script, manual compile, and then delete the old one and replace it anywhere it's used
queen panther
I got it to work with the vector3 constructor!
thank you for all your help
I really love coding, but i'm still a bit of a noob at it
grand temple
great!
queen panther
now to get an animation to play while it's walking. I'm trying to make an at-rt from star wars
grand temple
yeah, just plug the input into an animator and then use a blend tree
queen panther
okies!
queen panther
So i'd want to use a 1D blendtree? I've never used them before. Before I would just set up the animator with parameters and different states
queen panther
oh ok
so, i have a sitdown animation, a standup animation, and then a walking and a running one. Right now i just want it to walk
fiery yoke
I actually had no idea GetKey was a thing, up to this point I was convinced that there is no way to get if a key is currently down xD
fiery yoke
Can someone help me out?
I know that "==" checks for reference/pointer equality and .equality checks for "content" equality. So Object.Equals will do the later, however what if you want to check for a reference equality?
queen panther
@grand temple sorry to bother you, but i just have no idea as to what you mean by plug the input into the animator
grand temple
Set animator float, use floats in blend tree
queen panther
can i see an example if it's not too much trouble? I'm really struggling with this
queen panther
i got it partially working :)
queen panther
Do stations not work currently?
queen panther
I got it to rotate based off mouse movement, now to get it to only do that when the player is sitting in it
pseudo marsh
Do stations not work currently?
@queen panther Unless they fixed it, they don't work, see https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-bugs/p/stations-cannot-be-sat-in
stuck mountain
They did claim to fix it in this week's patch:
- Fixed issues with Udon Stations
- Some optimizations to voice chat
- Fixed avatars on stations not working
They should sit, but I think there are some udon functions missing so stations aren't fully functional yet in udon
Ugh that canny is frustrating because it's poorly worded and doesn't include build number, yet tons of people voted on it likely for the wrong reason.
Forgive me if I understood wrong, but the canny is specifically requesting the Udon function to forcefully sit the player in the station, which is something common that many trigger-based worlds do.
Of course when @queen panther uses the vague phrase "not work", I have no idea what it actually means: is it like from a user's perspective (click on the station should work), or from the udon programmer's perspective (I don't know how to do it due to a missing node)?
I wish people would be more precise with their language in these types of situations. Udon is still really new
oh wait a sec, so stations on avatars work because you're not required to have the trigger component with "UseStation" RPC... but stations in worlds will not work because the prefab comes with a VRC trigger that is not supported in SDK3
I see, no wonder this is confusing
I kept forgetting that stations don't automatically do their thing because the script works differently on avatars
queen panther
Sorry for not being precise. Is it possible to have chairs that players can sit in rn?
Such a thing is pretty important to the vehicle I'm trying to make lol
fickle stirrup
at lest you can make a small subgraph to teleport player to the vehicle's chair coords in the update function while you wait for the fix if there's no methods to sit on them via udon
pseudo marsh
Is it intentional that the latest VRChatDSK (From 03.02.2020) tells my i have the wrong Unity Version? I installed 2018.4.14.f1 (as per the info-Thread) but the SDK says i have to use 2017.4.25f1
This does not seem right.
fiery yoke
@pseudo marsh Yeah you can ignore that for now
native fern
still no working stations...? sad 
queen panther
Getting audio to play while the walker is moving is proving to be incredibly difficult. anyone have any tips?
scarlet lake
How do you use effects on keyboard
queen panther
Wdym? Like getting keyboard input?
queen panther
is there an equivalent to an or statement in udon?
fiery yoke
I think you mean the "Conditional Or"
SystemBoolean.__op_ConditionalOr__SystemBoolean_SystemBoolean__SystemBoolean
This is only for Boolean tho, so what exactly do you need?
strange charm
I have an object that's disabled and has udon behaviour attached to it. the udon contains Event_OnEnable that does simple stuff. When the object is enabled the first time, nothing happens. If I disable the object and enable it again, the Event_OnEnable fires and works on all subsequent toggles. What's going on here?
nevermind, I found it reported in the canny
strange arrow
Is it possible to have an AnimationCurve variable? It seems like it might be possible but it's not explicitly an option
is there a way to use one as a variable to an Udon graph?
fiery kestrel
Hellooo
queen panther
?
scarlet lake
What is Udon?
clever eagle
you know how youre not allowed to add your own custom scripts to vrchat unless they are specifically whitelisted, but as a result all worlds have to be made with minecraft redstone (triggers)
udon is vrchat's own custom scripty thingy, kinda like playmaker, except its really secure because virtual machines or something, and you can make programs in it as you would with playmaker or C#, except this time it's allowed in vrchat worlds
scarlet lake
Udon (饂飩, usually written as うどん) is a type of thick, wheat-flour noodle used frequently in Japanese cuisine. It is often served hot as a noodle soup in its simplest form, as kake udon, in a mildly flavoured broth called kakejiru, which is made of dashi, soy sauce, and mirin.
fiery yoke
Thanks Alexa.
sick thunder
Why would this Start function be causing the object this UdonBehaviour is on to get disabled? (The "stand" variable is set to a gameobject that is a child of this object)
fiery yoke
That shouldnt happen. Can you show the Assembly (as a picture)
sick thunder
sure one sec
well it only happens if I put it on an object that has a bunch of custom events
fiery yoke
Then most likely something is wrong there. Do you modify the object state anywhere else?
sick thunder
no not the state of the parent gameobject
I think something is wrong with the program since calling the custom events from other programs doesn't work at all
is it because I'm not assigning value to a boolean?
here are my vars
why are the instance_ vars there?
fiery yoke
everytime you have a node that has inputs it generates variables for you.
instance is usually things like gameobjects and udonbehaviours etc. Its very generic.
sick thunder
sounds good
fiery yoke
The graph essentially tells the program what default values the variables have. So that shouldnt be the problem.
Im relatively sure you've either made a mistake somewhere, or the graph messed up. Best bet would probably be trying to isolate the problem via elimination.
sick thunder
hm
I just find it very strange that if I put in that start function the whole thing disappears
it looks simple enough
ohhhhh
is it because the "Stand" object is not enabled at the start?
maybe that freaks it out for some reason and it reverts to null
fiery yoke
Ohh I think I know whats going on
UdonBehaviour on GameObjects default to "this". So if you havent set stand to anything it will default to itself.
sick thunder
I've set it for sure
fiery yoke
You need to make sure that stand is assigned to the child before start.
fiery yoke
So you have a parent that has UdonBehaviour which has that start function. And it has a child that you assigned to stand?
sick thunder
I keep getting these errors from my mirror but they shouldn't affect anything
yeah I have it on auto compile and ctrl+s constantly
fiery yoke
I dont think that that alone will do it
usually going into playmode and exiting it, then hitting the compile button should make absolutely sure that its compiled
fiery yoke
Yeah this has been the main issue for pretty much everything
fiery yoke
If youre interested this is why going into playmode and exiting it will fix this:
https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.3/Documentation/Manual/DomainReloading.html
That is also why going into playmode takes forever with Udon
sick thunder
interesting, good to know!
wheat kettle
Hey question to anyone, would it be possible to make a web browser with udon?
crimson flame
how much does this diffe from regular unity and is it more complicated than unity?
grand temple
Udon doesn't have direct access to anything external at the moment
And it would depend what you mean by regular unity. Most cases like modelling or map design is very similar, and you can even use editor tools to do stuff like gaia or probuilder. Scripting is the one big difference, though it's still pretty similar because udon is based on c# and has all the same names of functions and properties, so unity documentation applies. It's really very similar to other visual scripting systems like bolt, just with some security restrictions. So for a lot of people, visual scripting is a lot easier to learn than normal scripting, though if you're already used to normal scripting you might simply prefer text based
compact pilot
How do i remove these
solar quail
delete cache
scarlet lake
@compact pilot ask in #user-support-old
compact pilot
Ok
crimson flame
@grand temple it sounds nicer but i dont know anything about coding
grand temple
Yeah it's a lot less intimidating to get into because you don't need to learn syntax, but you do still need to learn general programming concepts like arrays, for loops, execution order, stuff like that
crimson flame
is it finally supported on vrchat publicly? or if i make a world with it would it be private only
raven peak
At the moment its only a open beta feature running in unity 2018. Not sure entirely how vrc wants to handle things when released.
pseudo marsh
For me it is wonderful there are custom compilers / languages to generate the udon assembly code, e.g. UdonPie (Python) and Doshik (C#-ish)
oak falcon
and UdonSharp
jolly perch
Don't forget UdonSharp!
pseudo marsh
Haven't heard of UdonSharp yet, know the other two from http://ask.vrchat.com
flint urchin
UdonSharp is pretty new, so probably why
sullen flume
holy crap finally something for c#!
i have another question for udon compilers, can UdonSharp directly convert my normal unity c# script into udon?
flint urchin
That's the idea. However, does require some slight modifications.
serene moat
using UnityEngine;
using UdonSharp;
public class RotatingCubeBehaviour : UdonSharpBehaviour
{
private void Update()
{
transform.Rotate(Vector3.up, 90f * Time.deltaTime);
}
}
oh, that's totally acceptable lol
however i think we can expect even those minor modifications can be automated later?
sullen flume
im saying maybe there will be something in the future that can just go into ur scripts and automatically change MonoBehavior to UdonSharpBehavior?
flint urchin
Maybe, but how would the script know what is what and not change the wrong files
sullen flume
also i dont understand why there are so many advanced stuff gets created for such a new thing as Udon, apparently the VRChat community is super big
yea idk man, im just saying maybe? lol
but if the only thing i need to do is add using UdonSharp; and replace MonoBehavior with UdonSharpBehaviour im totally fine
tame matrix
they exposed the assembly for people to play around with which is why people are making a bunch of compilers
sullen flume
that's still amazing cuz i know a fact that i dont wanna touch anything with assembly
hexed crow
What is udon?
grand temple
it's a visual scripting system that can be used in vrchat worlds. It is much more advanced than the previous system, triggers. Which will lead to better and more in depth vrchat worlds
hexed crow
Ah
agile grail
algun argentino para server japones?
thorny silo
does this mean VRChat is getting rid of triggers altogether?
opaque sage
Theoretically.
The old non Udon system is intended to be kept around in SDK2, but to my knowledge it's not going to be getting additional features from the point of Udon release on. (Full Udon)
That doesn't mean that the new SDK with UDON can't end up with simple options available eventually.
Maybe this will help you https://ask.vrchat.com/t/vrc-triggers-udon/196
fickle stirrup
can someone make a canny about non-existent UnityEngineJointSpring that cannot be connected with the UnityEngineSpringJoint that needs to be returned
or is everything right and am I doing something wrong?
ah, so JointSpring also exists but we have no acces to it?
grand temple
I don't think jointspring is the same thing as spring joint. Spring joint is more generic and it's just a rigidbody joint. But jointspring is a wheel collider thing
wheat rover
Is there any way to, like, get debug output out of Udon when running it in VRChat?
flint urchin
Exceptions are thrown into the output log. And you can use Debug.Log to post messages
wheat rover
Output log? Where's that?
flint urchin
Windows Key + R (Start -> Run)
%appdata%/../locallow/vrchat/vrchat
wheat rover
Ah, okay, thank you
grizzled horizon
any way I can do an and statement between branch nodes? Im trying to do something when specific keys arent pressed
flint urchin
You can do and yes
grizzled horizon
using what kind of node?
what I currently have but I cant include the Op Conditional And since I can only find bool nodes for that
Im trying to have the event active when WASD is not pressed(false)
flint urchin
You have to do branch after it
Get Key -> And -> Branch
But if you want something not run when they are pressed, use OR
So if any of them is true, the branch will be true
grizzled horizon
Not sure if that will produce the effect I want, wanting it to be true when no keys are pressed out of the 4 in agreement
flint urchin
then do Unary Negation
But either way, if this is true, you just follow the False path
inverse logic
grand temple
also you can do input getrawaxis, then "Horizontal" and "Vertical". This gives you both desktop and VR input, as well as being analog
grizzled horizon
would inversing the output of the InputGetKey really make it output from the lack of a key press though? that doesnt sound right
also using getaxisraw is a useful tip once I figure this out
flint urchin
You need to reverse the true to false if you want it to be true when no keys are pressed
grand temple
yeah getkeydown is only true for the first frame that the key is pressed, so just getkey is correct
flint urchin
So if you do what I posted and add a Bool Unary Negation, it will be true when no keys are pressed.
grand temple
and inverting it means it will be true if the key is not currently held
flint urchin
!isTrue = Is not true aka false
grizzled horizon
I want to actively brake wheel colliders when not rotating if that explains my application
Ill toy with it a bit
flint urchin
Then what I posted will do that
grizzled horizon
yeah im going to mess with that a bit
flint urchin
If any key is pressed, the condition will have TRUE and the branch will follow TRUE
So, if you need it to brake when it's not true, just do it on the false path
pallid mango
Or gate should really have as many inputs as you want so you don’t need a tree of Ors
fallen prawn
How to get player from collider?
fickle stirrup
@fallen prawn try other > Collider Get GameObject > GameObject Get Layer > Int32 Equality, 9 - Player and 10 - PlayerLocal
or you want to get a player name/else? hm, then after get gameobject try to use get components then with for loop use component get name and check if on player object exist something like playerApi, if yes then you can use collider's gameobject get component this api thing - get_displayname and other player related things
fallen prawn
@fickle stirrup I want playerID to compare with Get local playerID
**I'll try get displayname.
flint urchin
We can't get the players from Trigger colliders. It's protected.
It's returning CharacterController which we do not have any nodes for.
Work around is to make a gameobject with a capsule collider on it, then either do a check if the gameobject name matches, or is on a specific layer
mint coyote
So, I'm an issue with this error in the log:
Assets\VRCSDK\Dependencies\VRChat\Editor\Components3\VRCPlayerStationEditor3.cs(33,40): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Udon' does not exist in the namespace 'VRC' (are you missing an assembly reference?)
As far as I can tell, nothing I've installed into my project should be interfering. The project is pretty fresh, it's largely just the models and textures at the moment.
flint urchin
I'd reimport the Udon SDK then
mint coyote
Hmm, I tried that, but no dice. I’ll try deleting it all and reimporting in the morning
tame matrix
make sure you're using sdk3 with udon and not sdk2
zinc thicket
A bit of a silly question, but the settings menu is in the main SDK menu, right?
or at least is a tab in there?
pseudo marsh
So, I'm an issue with this error in the log:
Assets\VRCSDK\Dependencies\VRChat\Editor\Components3\VRCPlayerStationEditor3.cs(33,40): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Udon' does not exist in the namespace 'VRC' (are you missing an assembly reference?)
@mint coyote I also get that, really strange since it happens even before you import the Udon-SDK.
flint urchin
You import SDK3, then the Udon package, and the error goes away
zinc thicket
Uhhh... What happened to player mods?
grand temple
udon does that directly now
zinc thicket
Oh..
via a script that basically add upward force when space is pressed or is it a setting somewhere?
grand temple
it's a setting that udon can change
search for playermods in udon, there's a bunch of stuff there. Including enable legacy locomotion/stutter step
zinc thicket
Is there the docs somewhere? Or not really? I could only find station mobility...
grand temple
there's plenty of documentation for unity functions. Most nodes even have a button that will link you straight to it. But vrchat nodes do not have any documentation at the moment
zinc thicket
Yeah, that's what I figured :D, but do you know the exact name for setting player mods? I can't seem to find it..
grand temple
might be something something vrcplayerapi
zinc thicket
Yup, found it, thanks! I guess I got quite a fair bit of exploring to do...
grand temple
oh yeah, and in the "instance" of all those playerapi nodes, 99% of the time you'll want to just plug in the output from a "networking get local player" node
zinc thicket
Oh yeah, I just remembered: Do you know how sides are handled now? Do you do basically now do a:
void OnTriggerEnter (Collider other) {
VRCPlayerApi player = other.gameObject.GetComponent<VRCPlayerApi>();
VRCPlayerApi local = Networking.getLocalPlayer()
if (player == local && local != null)
doStuff();
}```
Or is there a different method now?@zinc thicket onPlayerJoined->Instantiate Gameobject with collider->AddComponent thisjoinedplayerApi+rigidbody kinematic+set_layer local or not, and with trigger enter check for this gameobject because players things protected and you can't even read them (what PhaxeNor methioned few messages above)
zinc thicket
Oh, I see...
fallen prawn
@fickle stirrup Tried ... can't.
(I use 10 for LocalPlayer layer.)
fiery yoke
I think Im gonna make a simple system just for this whole purpose. Seems to be a common enough problem
grand temple
noodlebowl has it
fiery yoke
Playercollision handling? I wanted to see what noodlebowl has, but I couldnt download it at that point.
flint urchin
@fallen prawn you need to create a game object in the scene. Put it on say the player local layer. Add a capsule collider to it (2 meter is fine. Adjust ground height too)
Then just do a check against the name
Capsule and rigid body. Make sure you set it to be a trigger
Disable gravity on rigid body
Then you’re good to go.
fiery yoke
@grand temple which system in noodlebowl actually contains the player collision handling?
grand temple
The jump pad makes use of it I believe
I'm not sure if it's two separate prefabs or it's included in the jump pad
fiery yoke
Hmm I think a more general system would allow for more flexibility, I already have an idea on how to implement it. People can just use, whatever they think is easier/better to use for them.
fiery yoke
Actual question:
If a Get method returns null, how do you test it for "null-ness" without running into a NullPointerException?
Found the answer myself:
(The reason why you need to use ReferenceEquals instead of just Equals is that Equals cannot be invoked on null and would then give an NPE
ReferenceEquals is static and therefor is not invoked on an object instance, so it does not have that issue.)
flint urchin
If this is for the player api, the problem you will run into here is that it will trigger for everyone.
fiery yoke
No this was more of a general problem I had for a lot of situations. Also why should it trigger for everyone?
If this runs completely locally then how would it touch remote clients?
flint urchin
If you use a OnTriggerEnter and check for player local, it will fire no matter who enters it
fiery yoke
But isnt that the purpose of player local? The layer is only local for you, for everyone else its player.
flint urchin
It fires because of the CharacterController
I've tried all the VRChat layers and it always teleported both players
fiery yoke
Well you're probably assuming a setup that I dont intend to use
flint urchin
No, which is why I said if this is for the player api that was being talked about a few messages up
fiery yoke
Well it is still meant for the player api thing, but not directly using the actual Players collision
fiery yoke
Btw I just did a quick test, and instantiating objects with Udon behaviour works for me, can someone confirm that I didnt just do something wrong?
(Ahh the problem was with prefabs, not with objects from the scene...)
worn kestrel
Does that mean you can duplicate objects already in the scene and not run into the bug with VRC stripping behaviours?
fiery yoke
Im relatively sure VRC isnt actively stripping the UdonBehaviour, more likely that either something goes wrong in the deserialisation from prefab to gameobject, or that there is some problem with keeping the program source available since it needs a link to a file to read the source.
But to answer your question @worn kestrel according to my tests, yes.
worn kestrel
I never intended to imply that it was intentional, but thanks for letting me know
fallen prawn
How to send custom event through UI?
Tried "THIS" method, but can't.
flint urchin
Got to make sure that Udon behavior have a custom event called the same
fallen prawn
Still can't so I tried this
fiery yoke
@fallen prawn Sliders do not invoke "OnValueChanged" if you change the value using the inspector. They only do that if you actually slide them around in the Game window as UI elements. Have you been doing it this way?
fallen prawn
Umm, I didn't know that before.
I tested in play mode and it work now.
hollow garden
Can UDON change the URL of a videoplayer component?
nova hornet
Not sure if it can in its current stage, but it most certainly will be able to when the relevant nodes are implemented.
I think it's pretty safe to say anything you're able to do with triggers you will be able to do with udon.
fallen prawn
Right now UDON doesn't have any VRCVideoSync Node, so can't right now.
noble portal
Will Udon replace C++ used by Unity when uploading UGC?
languid pendant
C++ (or C#, you probably meant) can't be used in live. It's replacing the trigger system.
noble portal
Ah
nova hornet
There are compilers being worked on by different people so you can code in different languages (Java, c#..) with udon. The trigger system will still exist but not being worked on anymore, just being kept functional.
pseudo marsh
Currently there are 3-4 compilers / "languages" that work with the current system (and I know of):
UdonPie (Python)
Udon#
Doshik (C#-ish)
torpid patrol
If you’re familiar with c# I’d go with u#
stuck mountain
Yea people are calling UdonSharp "U#" for short:
fallen prawn
How to set color using vector4 value?
I can't attach it.
OK I need Constructor first 🤦♂️
But I still can't use vector4.... fine I'll wait for it. Right now I need to get x,y,z,w first to construct it.
fiery yoke
@fallen prawn "Color" is a seperate Class in Unity that has its own constructor. I dont know if that solves your problem...
fallen prawn
Yes I use constructor.
The point now is I can't directly use vector4 to construct it now.
Thanks.
fiery yoke
@fallen prawn No you can implicitly convert Color into Vector4 (and vice versa) in Unity. The node you need is called "Color.Implicit" and then choose the Overload for Vector4
fallen prawn
I didn't know that before thanks.
hollow garden
I didnt mean the vrc sync player
I literally just want to interact with a native unity videoplayer
flint urchin
@hollow garden It's not exposed yet, so got to wait for them to add it or say why it isn't added.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-feedback/p/video-player-support
zinc thicket
Um.. Instantiating stuff is via VRChat.Instantiate() and not Object.Instantiate(), right?
fallen prawn
@zinc thicket IDK though wait for someone coming.
But I recommend VRChat one because ... it work.
I can't UdonBehaviour.Get[index] then send custom event.
It create this error.
So I ask how to send custom event through array of udon?
grand temple
you need an array of udon behaviours, not udon event receivers
I've never messed with event receiver, what even is that?
grand temple
oh I see, the node is named differently for some reason but it's the same thing
fallen prawn
grand temple
I recall someone said that udon behaviour arrays were broken in some way, but you can instead do a component array
fallen prawn
Let me try.
I can't put Udon component inside this.
(I'll try array of gameobject instead.)
grand temple
yeah if you drop it in through the inspector, it would default to the transform because it does not know what you're trying to specify
fallen prawn
Use search ... also can't
grand temple
you could loop through on start and convert the transforms into udonbehaviour
zinc thicket
Uhh.. When you Get variable, it automatically casts from Object to whatever the variable type is, right?
fiery yoke
@zinc thicket I think thats just for the nodes to connect properly. In assembly it doesnt cast anything as you just PUSH the variable into whatever you need.
zinc thicket
That's what I thought.. I guess I'm running into bugs... Or something..
fiery yoke
Well actually I think it does a lot of boxing in the background like on the layer between uasm and c# so maybe it does infact cast everything from and to object...whats your problem @zinc thicket ?
zinc thicket
In C# you MUST cast it (unless you just use the magic var of course, even then it errors anyway), or it errors... Since there's no casting, I'm assuming the VM does it automatically.. But the problem is for some reason, it's saying I'm trying to compare a bool to a GameObject when the variable is of type GameObject, not bool...
fiery yoke
can you show the graph?
fiery yoke
just the section
zinc thicket
Here you go:
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
fiery yoke
I meant a picture
zinc thicket
It's uhhh.. Too big to picture
fiery yoke
Copy and a pasting the string leads to problems with Variables (plus I dont have the Udon Project open rn)
zinc thicket
Any way to zoom out?
Or is the only way is to screenshot on a stupidly large resolution screen?
Or do you mean just *this*?
fiery yoke
GameObject get GameObject? xD
zinc thicket
I tried that directly into a GameObject.Equals and it errored..
I was trying to see if existingPrefab != null
fiery yoke
Ahh yeah that is a common error
zinc thicket
Feeding the variable into GameObject.Equals results in error, but doing this doesn't.
fiery yoke
Let me test something really quick
zinc thicket
But the problem is now without consistency, both were causing "Cannot cast bool to GameObject` errors, so I'm perplexed.
Whereas the other method mostly works, sometimes not when I do a "compile".
fiery yoke
Okay so I dont know what exactly your problem is but this works to test if a GameObject is null or not
zinc thicket
That's what I originally tried.
It was giving me cannot cast errors.
100% of the time.
fiery yoke
You did something wrong then. This works.
zinc thicket
I know, because if I wrote it up in C#, it should work.
fiery yoke
Either it failed at a different point then or you messed something up
zinc thicket
I don't think so, since a program that just branches and does nothing failed, so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh well, let's not dwell on this. I got it working with that "hack", even though it's weird.
fiery yoke
Well all I can tell you is that the stuff in the picture works for me :P
zinc thicket
If it works for you, probably a bug or I need to update/downgrade or something messed up in import.
Thanks anyway for trying... 😛
balmy ember
The info page dosent actually say what udon is
tame matrix
the link in there has an explanation of what it is
torpid patrol
a delicious eastern noodle dish?
fallen prawn
@torpid patrol I prefer Ramen
viscid reef
has anyone tried using subgraphs in the new update?
Just testing a simple subgraph that adds 1 to an input
https://nyanpa.su/i/FL3h1AMq.png
https://nyanpa.su/i/UXXG1AOF.png
https://nyanpa.su/i/LIu01AN2.png
Results in an error:
AssemblyException: Undefined data identifier 'FAILED_TO_FIND_PARAMETER'. Identifiers must be defined before use.
Unless i'm doing something wrong it looks like the graph compiler can't find the input variable for the subgraph node even though its there
and the line "PUSH, FAILED_TO_FIND_PARAMETER" should be "PUSH, test"
scarlet lake
@viscid reef
I have tried it now. The result is as shown in the image.
I think the new SDK has problems with public variables. Old UDON public variables are not displayed in the inspector in my environment.
viscid reef
seems like a bug, i've put up a canny for it https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-bugs/p/feb-23-update-subgraph-inputs-not-recognizedmissing-resulting-in-compile-errors
you can get it to work by changing the assembly to point to the input variable instead of the placeholder 'FAILED_TO_FIND_PARAMETER'
fallen prawn
I have a problem.
After update SDK3 and Udon
I reload and recompile like what announcement says.
But Udon script still don't work.
Can't figure out why?
So I ask that does anyone have this problem too? or how to slove this problem?
flint urchin
You get any exceptions?
fallen prawn
no
flint urchin
I guess this is using the graph, you got code or pictures to share?
fallen prawn
picture of graph?
flint urchin
Yeah, though would prefer code/copy paste
fallen prawn
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flint urchin
A tip, before I go check this, is use Start instead to set the player properties for the local user.
That might even be the issue itself.
OnPlayer{Event} is events that are meant to be used as a way to do something in the world when a player join/leave.
Local user properties should be set in Start, before any other events are fired
fallen prawn
I use this method on previous version ...
And it work.
fickle stirrup
it's just better to set it once than call this each time someone join or leave, but it's not meant that it shouldn't work
fallen prawn
IDK that "Start" is trigger everythime that Player "NetworkReady"? or just local player?
flint urchin
The Start method is local only and what's in there will only trigger for the local player
flint urchin
what?
fallen prawn
You are fan of S3RL too?
Wow!
OK my udon is back again!
But I can't set jump impulse?! Anyone can?
torpid patrol
S3RL is great
wheat rover
Is there anywhere with a changelog for updates in Udon?
flint urchin
#open-beta-announcements has them
wheat rover
Oh, thank you
fallen prawn
I have saw what Altcentauri post on #udon-showoff .
But I can't figure out how "Damage" work
I can't see any node that damage or heal, but it have respawn.
So right now, I have to create my own variable for health? or is there any node that about health?
pseudo marsh
To my knowledge you have to track such things yourself, VRChat itself doesn't have a concept of "health" or similar
fallen prawn
@pseudo marsh There are VRC Combat system but the exposed node doesn't have health or something similar like what you said.
fiery yoke
I also wanted to work on a Combat System somewhat similar to Blades&Sorcery but theres a lot of things that Udon is still missing to actually make some of the mechanics possible :/
Is it possible to explicitly cast in Udon?
fair bough
UI Button still not work?
flint urchin
They work
fair bough
hah? how use with udon?
I use On Click()
UdonBehaviour.SendCustomEvent
what wrong
Umm i think..... found mistake point
flint urchin
You need to add the UiShape component to the Ui you want to interact with
fiery yoke
Does anyone know what I did wrong to get this? oof
fair bough
I use UIShape now but...
I put udon in root ui it not work... but now i put in button... it work yet.... thanks
flint urchin
UI buttons will still have to use their event functions in the inspector.
You can reference a Udon behaviour and send a custom event to it
peak brook
@fallen prawn I didnt use the built in combat system at all, I created my own from scratch (The built in one is super basic and not really worth the effort to try to use)
fair bough
Date convert timezone not work
torpid patrol
Is VRC.Instantiate meant to instantiate for everyone or just locally? It is behaving local currently.
fickle stirrup
@torpid patrol i think we should send a custom network event to instantiate an object specified by sender and sync it; sometimes we need a local instantiated object so yes it should be local/or network and local instantiating method variants instead of one 🤔 hm
flint urchin
VRCInstantiate, behind the scenes has broadcast in it.
The question is for if it will be local only, everyone, or a option
stuck mountain
Network synced objects need to be assigned a random but shared identifier across all clients. For this reason, having each player spawn a local object at the same time wouldn't automatically cause them to be matched up
torpid patrol
I know photon does give an ID automagically so it really should already be doing that
fair bough
What is onInteract broardcase type? All or Local?
torpid patrol
Interact is local, if you want to do anything networked you gotta use SendCustomNetworkEvent (this May or May not be buggy)
fair bough
Thanks... And one more.... How sync object transform with use Udon.... (I don't see vrc_object sync script in list)
flint urchin
UdonBehaviours has a sync position checkbox on them now
fair bough
oh this thing i forgot it Thanks so much
dark glen
are there any plans for some kind of GET/SET Json node. i would like to save simple string/int text client side on users and i think a node that saves and gets that data from X file would be really great!
fair bough
oh
acoustic delta
We are very limited what we have access to in terms of extra libraries, but there is in theory nothing stopping someone from writing a JSON implementation in Udon... 
dark glen
yeah, iv tried using StreamWriter/StreamReader but does not seem like i can implement those haha
acoustic delta
Ah no we don't have any generic IO capabilities right now, and are probably unlikely to get it. Only thing I can think of right now is declaring a TextAsset variable, which you can assign a txt file in the Inspector, and then read the contents via the "TextAsset.get text" node.
The .text variable is read-only so you can only fetch the contents and not save it.
torpid patrol
Generic IO is a pretty big security hole so they absolutely will not give us access to that
fair bough
...nice idea for storage config
dark glen
@torpid patrol Oh yeah i know this. but a get/set json node would be handy to have
grand temple
it's not a perfect solution, but pretty much the only one we have right now https://twitter.com/Phasedragoon/status/1224738922904711169
silent mortar
What is Udon you mean?
pearl mantle
Yea, and why does it have such a weird name
raven peak
Quick description its vrchats solution to custom scripting and is named udon cause the node graph resembles noodles.
torpid patrol
udon is fat noodles though
dark glen
Is there a mode for checking if a user is a desktop or vr user?
flint urchin
Yes, it was added last update, IsUserInVR
dark glen
Great. Thanks!
dark glen
Could anyone give me a hand. So i'v been using UdonSharp to code something that enables/disables objects on a timer. it does work via the editor but in game it does nothing. so i tried replicating the script in the graph editor but the same result... works in editor but not in game. any ideas?
https://gyazo.com/4242536afa6307493460686f5ca01ce4
flint urchin
@dark glen Udon in-game is a bit buggy at the moment. So some/many things may not work properly
We got to wait for update
dark glen
yeah thought that could be the case as i don't think there are any errors in what i have done. thats a shame though. thanks!
flint urchin
But if it works in the editor it will/should work in app too
dark glen
yea
im getting no errors. iv even done a few debug things in game like checking to see if it writes to a UI string. but it seems when ever i try to mix interact and update the script breaks
misty parrot
will render texture eventually be usable (spawned and set by script)?
I know you can manually set the render textures and cameras to target them, but as of now it cannot be done by udon.
fallen prawn
Do anyone have description or documentation of VRCPlayerAPI Combat?
I don't understand any node.
Setup? Damage?
pseudo marsh
From what I have heard it isn't that great so you will want to create your own with Udon, @peak brook is currently developing one: https://twitter.com/Centauri2442
Twitter
dark glen
does anyone know if there is a node to get the current players position in node graph? or like left/right arm?
grand temple
yes, like this
fallen prawn
@pseudo marsh I mean the built in one.
I don't understand the node set up
dark glen
@grand temple fantastic worked great. With the get tracking data node I know the left and right hands would relate to vr but what about the head tracking data can that be used for both vr and desktop?
heady sun
anyone made cod zombies type thing with udon yet ?
dark glen
Haha vr hat will have reached its peak once we have zombies
heady sun
if im right with udon fully working map shooting / wave based system with all should be possible
grand temple
@dark glen yes, head works fine for desktop. Even hands work for desktop, they're like bottom right and bottom left of the camera fixed in place
fiery yoke
Is there a way to populate an array with a range (starting at a and ending at b) of elements from another array?
I know this would be possible with Array.Copy, but unfortunately we currently only have access to Array.CopyTo...
grand temple
are you asking how to do it period or are you asking how to do it without a for loop?
fiery yoke
without a for loop. Trying to avoid having a O(n) problem (O(1) instead)
grand temple
then yeah I think you answered your own question. Can't do it without copy
fiery yoke
Well there is an interesting way using Shaders, but you can only truncate the end and only up to like 2000 elements
grand temple
the one possibility might be just doing set variable and plugging in the array you want to copy from
flint urchin
grand temple
not sure if that would work or not, but it's worth a shot
fiery yoke
And then Phase?
grand temple
like this
fiery yoke
Yeah but how would you control which range gets copied into the new array?
grand temple
oh, definitely wouldn't be able to do that
fiery yoke
Well that was what I was asking for :P
I think what you showed could also just simply be done with CopyTo
I think the reason why CopyTo is accessible and not Copy is because CopyTo is an instance-method and not a class-method like Copy
I think the reason why CopyTo is accessible and not Copy is because CopyTo only modifies an object, while Copy returns a new object.
grand temple
how does copyto work anyway? it only has a single input and no options
fiery yoke
Its supposed to have two parameters the destinationArray and destionationIndex
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.array.copyto?view=netframework-4.8
grand temple
seems like it should be able to do what you want if it was fully functional
fiery yoke
Well again you could only truncate the end. Not the start.
EDIT: Not even that since the destinationArray needs to have enough space to store the sourceArray so yeah...
grand temple
oh gotcha
fiery yoke
But yeah lol youre right CopyTo is missing its second parameter
But still Im curious, do we generally not have access to any class-methods?
acoustic delta
What do you mean with class-methods?
fiery yoke
Static functions
EDIT: Yeah we do have access to static functions...I was confused.
grand temple
instead of having to deal with this
fiery yoke
Interestingly enough CopyTo should be functional, its just the node that is broken.
flint urchin
still present afaik
fiery yoke
Yeah I think so
fiery yoke
I think methods that modify an object, by returning a new altered object are not accessible/implemented, unlike methods that modify an object in-place. Which is unfortunate.
worn kestrel
Neither Copy() nor CopyTo() return anything, so I don't think that's the issue
Also Copy() is still O(n), although it will still be faster than a Udon implantation
fiery yoke
Well yes youre right, however O(n) in C# is significantly less problematic than O(n) in Udon.
And yeah I got myself a bit confused there. Then I really dont know why Array.Clone is not a thing...
torpid patrol
The one I've been feeling I need most is Array.Resize(), for now I've had to use for loops for every resize operation I do, not very computationally efficient
worn kestrel
I feel like if you are needing to resize alot, than lists would be a better option
If only udon supported lists
fiery yoke
Working with arrays in Udon is not fun right now.
torpid patrol
Yeah lists would be great but that doesn’t excuse the need for resizing arrays
acoustic delta
Working in U# right now, and I've just redefined those as normal functions ArrayResize, ArrayCopy, Contains, IndexOf, etc. It's not as efficient as if we had those natively of course, but at least makes it fun to work with it again.
dark glen
@fiery yoke if you use a List in C# you can do something like List.AddRange. But iv not tried that with the node editor
acoustic delta
We don't have access to Lists
dark glen
Ahh ok
fiery yoke
Also redefining the function wont get rid of the huge O(n) problem at which Udon is very bad :P
acoustic delta
No as I said, not as efficient, but definitely a QOL improvement. If you need performance improvements then there are other more impactful things such as avoiding cross-behaviour communcation with GetProgramVariable.
tame matrix
ideally you’re not going to be resizing that often for speed to matter
otherwise you’re better off making one huge array
torpid patrol
Airgamer is correct here, what I want is lists but in the absence of those I need to resize arrays a lot, which is unfortunate since it’s not very optimal
dark glen
is it possible to set a avatar position in the world. like have a portal to a new location on the map?
grand temple
yes of course, just teleport the player
dark glen
ok sorry another question. is it possible to get the camera object from the player? i need it to use the world space ui events
stuck mountain
@dark glen VRC_UI Shape sets the camera slot on the canvas component for getting events
They seem to not even give udon access to this field...That's probably intentional
dark glen
Ah ok thanks.
undone panther
Will the official integration of udon break the scripts of current worlds?
stuck mountain
no. VRChat is going to maintain two systems in parallel:
I believe the way it works is the game will pick an assembly for triggers, or an assembly for udon, and load one or the other when you join a world based on which SDK it used
dark blade
So i read the udon page but i still don’t get what udon is. Is it like an animator thing for unity or like a thing on how to interact with things or what
dark glen
@dark blade It is a visual scripting language that allows to to create vrchat world logic that exceeds the current live sdk capabilities
dark blade
So for worlds to do more complex things than unity?
dark glen
yes. just look in the #udon-showoff to see some examples of what people have made
dark blade
What about avatars
dark glen
as of right now UDON is only for worlds and as far as i know avatars are not being given access to udon for a very long time if at all
dark blade
Is it pretty simple to use for even a special ed to use
dark glen
i mean it's all drag and drop stuff so it's pretty easy once you learn what the nodes do
dark blade
Ok thanks
misty parrot
Is there a base way to setup a "singleton" like udonbehavior to act like a world manager? for like gamemodes.
fiery yoke
@misty parrot Dont quite understand exactly what you mean. AFAIK there currently is no way to share information directly between UdonBehaviours. You can only set&get Variables between UdonBehaviours. I already made a event subscription system, that could probably be expanded to share data.
Is there a concrete example to explain what behaviour you want?
grand temple
You can get variables from other behaviours too
So if you want to store a bunch of data in one behaviour you can totally do that
What more would you need?
fiery yoke
Yeah, sorry. Usually if you have a setter you also have a getter and vice versa, so I implied that in my head.
Well @grand temple it would be neat to just say GameManager.playerCount or something like that, where GameManager is a UdonBehaviour that has a ProgramVariable called playerCount
Without having to assign the UdonBehaviour (dependencies)
grand temple
You can get gameobject by name if that helps
fiery yoke
Dependency management is a huge thing in OOP and its handled pretty bad in Udon as of right now
grand temple
Establish the reference at start, use the variable privarely
misty parrot
I want to have one object to exist in the world, that may have at least one behavior attached to it. this behavior is responsible to managing score, teams, etc.
My main problem is how to get this one object without having to manually plug in the object into the value or when it was a spawned object to can refer to it. I'm afraid that find object with tag would be the only way.
I'm also worried that sync var/authority may cause some issues when many external behavior refer to it and modify score/call events. But i don't know how safe/stable it is to attempt this.
grand temple
Yeah get gameobject by name is exactly what you want then
fiery yoke
Networking is definitely a problem with Udon
grand temple
There's been some progress lately but it's still not finished. I wouldn't rely on it at all yet
fiery yoke
Also GameObject.Find is neat, but its not that scalable. Especially since you have to remember that you may not rename a GameObject you require by this method (without changing the code)
grand temple
Just do single player stuff for now
misty parrot
okay
grand temple
For general usage absolutely, but as a Singleton it's always going to be named the same
misty parrot
but i guess i hope they have a proper way to know what is a singleton is when a world is loaded in a later update
without the jank methods of finding objects by string
grand temple
Nah you can do stuff at start immediately very reliably
Oh that's not what you mean
grand temple
Yeah it's definitely not perfect but it's not that janky either
fiery yoke
Hmm that got me thinking... maybe you could actually do a Singleton and combine that with dependency injection?
grand temple
What do you mean by that?
fiery yoke
In normal C# you could have a Singleton class and when you have a class that needs a reference to that singleton instance, you attempt to create a new Singleton, however that will give you the already existing singleton, meaning that you now have a reference, without directly referencing the instance.
Maybe something similar could be done with UdonBehaviours
misty parrot
But usualy that part is easy because of the static keyword
Udon doesn't have afaik, similar to that. Unless you mean something else
fiery yoke
Hmm...maybe a call and repsonse approach?
The requesting instance broadcasts, then you have a system that catches that broadcast and sends back a reference to some other instance.
None of that is possible tho I think, because you cannot send parameters with Messages
misty parrot
sadly
grand temple
Sounds like something that could be done for you in a custom compiler. Merlin's been doing stuff like that in udon#
grand temple
For example he plans to implement sending events with arguments and getting returns by just setting and getting variables, but you never interact with those, it's just behind the scenes and in the compiler
fiery yoke
I wish there was a global marker. So you could set/get variables that are marked as global in any Behaviour
raven peak
@misty parrot if its not already added you can make a canny request asking for those features. I would also suggest adding how it would be useful and how it might look in udon.
misty parrot
I was just wondering currently if someone had made a "singleton like" behavior so far with the current udon. But i will go check canny rn.
raven peak
Make sure its feeback and not bug report for udon. https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-feedback
misty parrot
I hope i word this right, hopefully i can edit it later if I'm unclear.
Edit, posted now: https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-udon-closed-alpha-feedback/p/udon-singleton-behavior
dark glen
heya all. just wanted to know if its possible to make a button to copy all text for a user in vr and a button to paste that text?
fickle stirrup
@dark glen i think udon is not supporting win key pressing or clipboard control, at least there's no TextEditor access, so only ctrl+c/v into selected input field 🤔
grand temple
that is correct, though at the very least udon can detect pressing ctrl and then it can select input fields, so you don't have to worry about the player manually selecting them. All they have to do is ctrl c/v
undone light
is it true that udon will allow me to force nametags off in my world? that's something I'd really like to be able to do...
grand temple
it's a requested feature but I don't think it's going to happen
dark glen
@fickle stirrup ah that's lame. Just because I have a save /load system in place that gives a user some text to copy. While on desktop that's easy doing it in vr is quite the challenge
But on another note I have 2 objects that follow the users left and right hand. Iv tried using the on collision enter event but it seems udon is missing the .tag so I can't figure out how I can tell what is colliding with the game Object.
grand temple
Check by name, layer, or some other identifying feature like whether or not it has an udon behaviour on it
upper kelp
So is udon like a seperate client or can u upload to main vrchat with it?
stuck mountain
@upper kelp Please read #udon-info - it requires switching VRChat to open-beta in Steam, and you also need a new unity project with a special SDK just for UDON and the current unity version on 2018.
So to answer your question, it's not exactly a separate client, but it requires the beta client to play udon worlds.
torpid patrol
It will be in live eventually
grand temple
make a branch which takes the bool from the input
you'll probably want to do "input get mouse button" rather than "input get mouse button down" because input down only fires on the first frame that you have pressed the button, it does not stay active continuously
delicate hazel
Yah . I know it. I m a unity programmer. But i didnt know how to use udon.
Just trying to figure it out.
Like there isnt have Keycode Thing.
grand temple
if you're already familiar with C# you might want to try udonsharp, it's a C# compiler for udon
delicate hazel
Yah? Where can i get it
grand temple
delicate hazel
OK . That s very helpful.
Is very nice and easy to use. Only compile take a liitle bit longer than the unity compile.
flint urchin
That's to be expected, as it needs to convert everything into uasm.
misty parrot
Just be aware that it is bounded by the limitations Udon put upon. Not everything is available to use. Just check the errors/warnings in the console often.
flint urchin
No
delicate hazel
OK Then
delicate hazel
Is has any to get local player camera or avatar top parent?
I try to use Camera.Main Or Gameobject.FindGameobjectwithTag. Both doesnt work.
rose arrow
@delicate hazel No, Udon is intentionally prohibited from accessing VRChat internal GameObjects and Components.
If it's not part of your world assume Udon can't access it. Some systems have APIs that expose specific functionality for example VRCPlayerApi has methods for getting the controller positions but if there isn't an API for it you'll need to make a feature request on Canny.
delicate hazel
Yah. I figure it out. But if i try to make something bigger without the unity internal components is kinda a hard to do.☹️
novel saddle
Hey I was wanting to find out if any of you more experienced persons know what programming language (if any) Udon closest resembles. I'm not a programmer but the development of Udon has had me interested in learning, so I want to start with the language which would help me understand Udon's system the best.
Many thanks for any replies! I hope you're all having a good day/night
fiery yoke
@novel saddle Udon is built ontop of C# (in Unity) which is an Object Oriented Programming language inside the .NET Framework by Microsoft.
If you want to learn how to make things with Udon start simple and work your way up. "The Cube" tutorial on the official Udon post (in the info channel) is a pretty good point to start. I also recommend watching basic tutorials on Unity development ( I recommend Brackeys, as they have a wide variety of tutorials and are relatively beginner friendly) and try to understand the general concepts, not necessarily the exact execution of code. The C# documentation on microsofts official site also helps understanding design principles and concepts in the beginning and when you're a bit more advanced.
novel saddle
Thanks a lot!
fair bough
ummm how rotate face to player when player get in area
scarlet lake
no more breaking changes?
can we start now
Will the new udon have bone rotation for the avatars to make fullbody look more natural?
pearl mantle
can i programm avatars with udon aswell? Or just worlds?
acoustic delta
Udon for now is only available when making worlds.
pearl mantle
But what if i want to send RPC when someone boops my nose? Do i have to use shader for that?
grand temple
avatars can't do any kind of send RPC, that's a trigger/networking thing
pearl mantle
Yeah
grand temple
if you mean you want some kind of event to happen, then it would depend what you want to happen but the most versatile type of event is a stop action particle. They're pretty involved to set up though
scarlet lake
Is there any way to teleport players locally without sync
fiery yoke
Thats not how that works.
However maybe putting them in a station and moving that station has the effect you want. Dunno
scarlet lake
No the players are always synced I think theres no way to do it
I wanna do a floating origin but i guess its not possible with udon
raven peak
cyan laser has done some stuff to locally change other players positions in a room. so maybe with that system you could do it in udon.
scarlet lake
Do you know where I can find it?
raven peak
its a thing he put together so you would have to ask him on how he put it together. if you want to see it here are the two place. https://twitter.com/CyanLaser/status/1180655212568043520?s=20 https://twitter.com/CyanLaser/status/1238918516490690560?s=20
he uses it more to make it look like gravity is changing.
it would have to be remade in udon and then converted into your idea.
scarlet lake
I guess I could have an object that the player is teleported to in each frame but it would be just much easier if I could do one local player teleport that isn't synced so I dont have to fight the server
fiery yoke
@scarlet lake As I already said: Pretty sure that Cyan used Stations that are local to manipulate the player positions locally. From what I remember essentially in Cyans system everyone is in a station, and when you move, you dont actually move, but everyone around you moves.
hidden mirage
So, if I use Unity Engine 2018.4.19f1 [LTS] and VRC-SDK3 (without Udon), will I be allowed to publish avatars on the current Live build and use these avatars on the Live build?
raven peak
no
hidden mirage
ok, so i would need to switch to beta to use the avatars made in 2018?
what about if i use the actual sdk2?
and completely forget about udon
scarlet lake
@fiery yoke Thanks it seems to work with stations, now i just have to create a custom player controller & animations I guess
raven peak
this is a newer engine so 2018 assets packages cant be loaded in 2017.
hidden mirage
oh ok
raven peak
you can use the sdk2 or sdk3 for avatars.
hidden mirage
so if i use 2018, gotta use beta build. if i want to release to Live build, gotta use 2017.4.28f1. is this correct?
raven peak
it is suggested to use sdk3 for avatars now. and due to how the files are it will complain if you dont also have the udon files.
yes
also this would probably fit better in #open-beta-discussion since this channel has to do more with specificly udon.
hidden mirage
oh ok. sorry about that!
hidden mirage
gotchya
scarlet lake
Does the combat system work in udon
rain pendant
are raycasts completely broken in udon right now?
trying to use either of the outputs (the RaycastHit or the return value) makes my graphs fail to compile
dark glen
@rain pendant i get that error all the time, honestly not sure what causes it. some times having the same node connect to multiple inputs will break a graph. iv had luck fixing the error by starting a new graph and making sure no nodes are used more then once when they are being used in a input
rain pendant
i got raycasts working in udonsharp pretty much fine but consistently get compilation errors trying to read off the outputs in an udon graph
so there's nothing wrong in the udon VM with it, the graph nodes for raycasts just seem to be broken
storm dove
I'm stumped, what am I doing wrong
Assembly:
.data_start
instance_0: %VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi, null
strength_0: %SystemSingle, null
instance_1: %VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi, null
speed_0: %SystemSingle, null
instance_2: %VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi, null
speed_1: %SystemSingle, null
instance_3: %VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi, null
impulse_0: %SystemSingle, null
.data_end
.code_start
.export _start
_start:
PUSH, instance_0
PUSH, strength_0
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi.__SetGravityStrength__SystemSingle__SystemVoid"
PUSH, instance_1
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseNetworking.__get_LocalPlayer__VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi"
PUSH, instance_1
PUSH, speed_0
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi.__SetRunSpeed__SystemSingle__SystemVoid"
PUSH, instance_2
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseNetworking.__get_LocalPlayer__VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi"
PUSH, instance_2
PUSH, speed_1
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi.__SetWalkSpeed__SystemSingle__SystemVoid"
PUSH, instance_3
PUSH, impulse_0
EXTERN, "VRCSDKBaseVRCPlayerApi.__SetJumpImpulse__SystemSingle__SystemVoid"
JUMP, 0xFFFFFFFC
.code_end
You aren’t doing anything wrong. There is a bug currently where if you connect one node to multiple it will break
storm dove
Even using a block? How am I supposed to do multiple playermods then? When I chained them together it totally broke the assembly
flint urchin
By using a single vrc player api node that is
If you use one for each of the mods then that will work
But as I said, it's a bug
storm dove
Alright, I'll give that a shot. Thanks
Still nothing... none of the mods are working.
cunning mist
@storm dove If you're still having the issue, I believe only the first option from a Block actually fires with this issue. If the first one is setting gravity strength to 1, you're probably unable to notice a difference. Try putting the run speed as the first option out of the block.
outer hull
how do i make it so that something like a cube will grow with each onpickupuseup?
im kinda new to udon
grand temple
Onpickupuseup > transform get local scale > multiply by 1.1 or something > transform set local scale
outer hull
vector3 multiply?
wait i cant connect onpickupuseup with transform get local scale
do i need to place something else down?
wait i got it
grand temple
Transform get local scale doesn't require input because transform, gameobject, and udon behaviour will all self reference. It will automatically put to itself
If you wanted to specify another object that's where you would do it
outer hull
do i need to specify the pickupable if im doing it on an object other than the pickupable?
grand temple
Setting scale has nothing to do with the pickup
grand temple
Oh, I think I misunderstood you. If you put onpickupuseup in an udon script, that needs to be put on the same object that has the pickup
outer hull
but wouldnt that make the pickupable grow?
grand temple
Only if you leave the transform slot blank and let it self reference
outer hull
sell reference?
grand temple
If you want to affect a different object, you need to make a public transform variable and then use get variable in the graph to plug into the get transform and set transform. When it is a public variable, it will show up as a slot in the inspector for the udon behaviour component
outer hull
so i gotta make 2 udon scripts?
grand temple
No
Make a public transform variable in the udon graph
Use get variable to plug that into the get transform and set transform
Then on the object that has the udon script, you can drop the object you want to affect in the transform slot
outer hull
on the object i wanna scale or on the pickupable?
grand temple
The pickupable needs to have the udon script in order to receive the onpickupuseup. It needs to know what object you want to affect, this is how you do it
outer hull
does there need to be an update node?
outer hull
what about the string?
grand temple
What string?
grand temple
That's the name of the variable
outer hull
does that need to be plugged in to anything?
grand temple
If you have the bug where it just says string, bool, bool, then you need to activate the first bool because that refers to it being piblic
Variables stand on their own and don't need to be plugged anywhere. If you want to get and set them, you have to use get variable and set variable nodes
outer hull
what do i set the string to?
grand temple
Anything, it's just a name
outer hull
so do i set the set variable to the bool or the string?
grand temple
Huh?
For one you don't need a set variable since you will be setting it in the inspector. All you need is a get variable, which you will plug into the get transform scale and set transform scale
outer hull
okay so i do i put in the get variable
grand temple
It should just be a drop-down with all your variables
grand temple
Can you take a picture?
outer hull
grand temple
Oh you literally have a string variable
You need a transform variable if you want to target another object
outer hull
so delete the string variable?
grand temple
As long as you're not using it for something else idk
outer hull
ok i removed the string variable and added the transform variable
do i set is as bool?
grand temple
No it needs to be a transform
outer hull
oh it says public now
idk why it said bool before
ok so do i put the transform in the get variable?
grand temple
Yes
outer hull
ok what about the bool?
outer hull
so how do i set up the pickupable
grand temple
Add component vrc pickup
outer hull
how do i make the pickup interactable
grand temple
Put a collider on the same object as the pickup
outer hull
do i set the "is trigger"?
grand temple
Is trigger means it will not collide physically, so it would fall through the floor
Unless you have other physical colliders involved
outer hull
so how do i make it do the script?
grand temple
Can you be more specific?
outer hull
when i pick it up it acts like a normal pickup object, how do i make it so that it can stick in my hand and use it when i left click?
stuck mountain
That's called Auto Hold. It should be an option on the VRC Pickup component @outer hull
outer hull
yeah i got it
thanks
but its now scaling 1 frame at a time
how do i make it so that when i hold left click itll continue updating?
also the pickup is scaling up instead of the object i wanna scale up
grand temple
If you want it to happen continuously them you'll need a bool. Set it to true on down, false on up. Then have an update loop with a branch. If the bool is true, the branch will go and scale the object
As for scaling the wrong object, have you assigned it in the inspector of the object?
outer hull
how do i set the bool up?
grand temple
I'm not sure what part of that isn't clear. Make a bool. Set it to true onpickupusedown. Set it to false onpickupuseup.
outer hull
how do i connect the onpickupusedown and onpickupuseup to the bool?
grand temple
Set variable
Set and get variable is how you interact with variables. You never interact with the variable node directly
outer hull
okay and how do i get that set up
i put it in
i set up onpickupuseup with the set variable
but where do i connect the set variable
grand temple
You need a bool constant
Which is just something you can set to a constant unchanging value and then plug it into somewhere like set variable
outer hull
so onpickupuseup > set variable > const bool > get variable?
outer hull
just set variable?
grand temple
Get variable will be used in the update loop
outer hull
how do i set up an update loop?
grand temple
Add an update node
Plug it into a branch node
Plug your bool into the branch node
When the bool is true, it will send flow out the true side of the branch. When it is false it will send flow out the false side
grand temple
That's the bool input
grand temple
????
You set the bool with the usedown and useup. The bool is then used in the update loop
outer hull
how do i use the bool with usedown and useup? the bools have no connectors
grand temple
That's what set variable is for. You never interact with the variable node directly
outer hull
so how do i set the setvariable to the branch?
grand temple
You don't. set variable sets the bool. The branch uses get variable to get the bool
outer hull
okay what am i doing wrong because this is making no sense
grand temple
You need a bool constant to plug into the set variable
cunning mist
Tucker have you gone through the spinning cube tutorial? I feel that might help you out in a few places with understanding the different parts of Udon's systems.
outer hull
i did
cunning mist
Alright, tell me exactly what you're trying to do with this system. Start to finish.
outer hull
basically make it so a room scales up when you hold left click and stop when you stop holding
i got the pickup and the auto hold function done
I also put it on an update, worked as it should, the problem is I don't know how to link the pickup to the udon script
grand temple
They just need to be on the same object for the pickup to send it's events to udon
outer hull
and how do i do that
grand temple
Add the component
outer hull
on the pickup
im just starting clean
what do i put in first
a useup and a usedown?
grand temple
Yes, plug both into a set variable
Then make a bool and select that in both set variables
grand temple
Now the bool constants so that you can define what you're setting them to
Set it to true for down and false for up
outer hull
what do i connect the bool consts too
grand temple
The input of the set variable
The input is what you're setting it to. The bool const is just a way for you to check a box and be a bool that you can plug in somewhere
outer hull
theres nothing on set variable that has an input parameter
grand temple
Yes there is, it's the little gray circle. Plug the noodle into that
outer hull
2 bools?
grand temple
You need to set it to true on use down and false on use up, so yes two book constants but they are both setting the same one bool variable
outer hull
then what?
grand temple
Coould you send a picture?
grand temple
Set the second to false
Right now you're just turning it on without turning it off
Also the default state should be off
outer hull
how do i set the second to false??
grand temple
uncheck the box
grand temple
you don't need anything else in those chains, that's it
now make a new update event and add a branch to it
plug the bool into the branch using get variable
outer hull
like this?
grand temple
yes
then on the true part of that do the exact same thing you had earlier where you get the scale, multiply, and set the scale
outer hull
get scale, multiply, and set scale?
grand temple
yes, you did that earlier when it was just on a click
outer hull
do i need a transform variable?
grand temple
yes
outer hull
where do i connect that to?
grand temple
it's the exact same way you did it last time
outer hull
did i show you in a picture?
grand temple
no but you apparently had it working
outer hull
i dont remember how i did it last time
grand temple
then read the messages from the last time you asked
outer hull
i cant connect the get scale to true
grand temple
get scale is purely involved with variables, it doesn't have any flow
outer hull
so how do i connect the true and false parameters?
grand temple
set scale has flow, you connect it to that
outer hull
"get scale is purely involved with variables, it doesn't have any flow"
"set scale has flow, you connect it to that"
grand temple
yes?
outer hull
does it or does it not
grand temple
those are two different things
grand temple
yes
and then set scale requires variables, so that's where you plug in the transform get variable and the scale you want to set it to, which is multiplied from the get scale
outer hull
what if i want the scale to be never ending?
grand temple
every time it will get the scale fresh and then multiply it so it will be never ending, yes
outer hull
do i use delta time?
grand temple
you could but only if the accuracy matters. That's also a whole other layer of complication and it would probably be best to stick to the basics
outer hull
like this?
outer hull
using....?
grand temple
get variable transform
outer hull
...where's that in the list of nodes?
outer hull
like this?
grand temple
roomsize is your bool, not your transform
if you don't have a transform variable, make one
outer hull
like this?
outer hull
connect that to the set scale?
cunning mist
Use a GetVariable node and connect that instead
outer hull
got it
cunning mist
👍
outer hull
is that all for the true parameter?
grand temple
yes that should do it
outer hull
cool what about the false
cunning mist
You shouldnt need anything in the false parameter, you should be good.
grand temple
what does the object's components look like
outer hull
the gameobject is a test cube to see if the script works
grand temple
a picture please
grand temple
is that the same object that has the pickup on it?
grand temple
then it won't work
outer hull
the pickup has the script
grand temple
it needs to be on the same object in order to detect onpickupuseup/down
????
picture of the entire thing
cunning mist
Give us a full screenshot plz
grand temple
of the components on the object
outer hull
outer hull
grand temple
ok that's good
and the object that you dropped into the room variable, is that something with a mesh that you would see if it changes size?
outer hull
yes
grand temple
you changed it recently, have you tried again since then?
cunning mist
Any chance we could get a screenshot with the whole node graph?
outer hull
i cant zoom out
grand temple
you can do shift space to full screen it
cunning mist
There's a shortcut for that??
I've always rightclicked on the tab
outer hull
grand temple
it might not have compiled correctly. Could you try adding a new public variable and see if it shows up in the inspector?
grand temple
oh boy
so you're absolutely sure it's not working?
I mean aside from the fact that it should be stuck on when you first start, which you still haven't fixed
outer hull
yeah i tested it again, nothing happens
maybe its just scaling really really slowly
so im setting the multiply to 2
grand temple
it's 1.01 every frame, which should mean as much as double every second
cunning mist
If that doesn't work, try changing out the transform thats being scaled for the pickup object itself, as in place itself in the room variable.
west plover
