#quest-optimization

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regal summit
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t:MeshRenderer

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Or
t:SkinnedMeshRenderer

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Must be spelled exactly with same capitalization

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@manic pecan

manic pecan
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ah, invisible body mesh, i found it

zenith oasis
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hi

balmy sorrel
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yo i got a question

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how do i reduce the file size of my avatar on unity ? it needs to be 10.00mb, i was at 14.00mb changed all shaders to mobile shaders and brought it down to 11.00mb

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any idea how i can reduce it some more

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im super stuck on this part

left holly
regal summit
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Also, update your SDKs! - some issues like Legacy Blend Shape Normals get resolved in the newest SDK

maiden aspen
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Why is it that after i made sure all my materials were VRC mobile it still claims I have non compatable shaders in the warning list? I still have the same problem of quest users getting double vision in one eye

left holly
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Delete the camera an create a new one and assign it in the descriptor

maiden aspen
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ok

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but isnt the descriptor on VRCworld?

maiden aspen
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ok so managed to figure out what you said, but

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now if i click on upload world it does not respond. another interesting thing is that it claims I am trusted in community labs and i can make my world public, where as before i did not have that option, i feel this may be a bug?

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I reimported SDK, no luck is wont let me upload at all, what would cause this?

regal summit
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can you show the SDK showing the error? @maiden aspen any errors in the Console window?

maiden aspen
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@regal summit no errors in console window. SdK is blank when I click up upload it is not responding

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Only weird thing is. Normally when I can upload. Theres a disclaimer that I cant upload to community labs and such. But here its telling me I can upload this world as public .

regal summit
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This usually indicates that you have errors in your project, but they get cleared when play in mode is entered.

Please disable Clear on Play - its' the 3rd button in the bar at top of the Console window. Then change something small in your scene, for example rename an object or add an empty GameObject. Now try another upload.

maiden aspen
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Ok I'll do that. Thanks for the clarification! @regal summit

rotund dragon
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Can someone help me?

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I have an avatar i want for oculus quest but I'm not sure how to optimize it, so can someone optimize it and let me clone it please

maiden aspen
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Ok so it worked as you instructed @regal summit However now it seems to load into the world and then spawn me into the skybox without anything. I learned the whole, baking, reflection, light and occlusion culling process. and it seems my world is barely a megabyte? although I do have one test mesh in there, the rest is probuilder level. any workaround for this problem of being spawned into a blank skybox?

cunning shoal
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I swear I will literally pay for someone to optimize my character at this point

Good thing I saved a backup

left holly
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what kind of optimization

torn moth
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im trying to export this for quest but her eyes aren't cooperating, if it was for pc i could just do cutout under the shader but i cant use it, wat do?

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crude cove
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@torn moth use the particles shader that the sdk gives you you have 3 i think

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the mobile particles shaders in the vrchat/mobile @torn moth

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i use the shaders that the sdk gives me and the VRChat/Mobile/Particles shaders work like cutout so trees and bushes are not 2d papper you know just try one of the shaders till it works for you

torn moth
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For the life of me i could not figure it out, i tried using the particle shader under mobile AND IT SAID IT WASNT SUPPORTED

heady wing
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Because, guess what? Particle shaders are for particles.

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mind blown am i right

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Use the blender knife tool to cut it out.

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@torn moth

torn moth
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pls im new i dont know this stuff 😭

heady wing
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Have you ever used blender?

torn moth
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very limited knowledge

heady wing
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Look up a tutorial on the blender knife tool and use that knowledge to cut out the opaque part of the texture.

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Then remove the transparent faces.

lime jolt
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can someone please tell me who thought it'd be a good idea to cap quest uploads at 10mb?

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My avatar is as optimized as a goddamn ps2 model and it's 45mb. oh no. can't upload.

mint iron
lime jolt
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I'll give it a shot. thank you.

mint iron
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No prob 👍

solemn field
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@mint iron did that fix it?

mint iron
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Ask Biadetes. They're the one with the problem lmao @solemn field

solemn field
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oops!

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@lime jolt did that fix it?

lime jolt
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Yes. thanks a bunch :)

solemn field
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i wasnt the one who said it, i was just wondering

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ive never had thet problme but ive never messed with it

crude cove
heady wing
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@crude cove

  1. I didn't need help
  2. They need help with cut-out on avatars, you can't use that shader on avatars.
crude cove
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you can use that shader on avatars @heady wing its the Quest shaders that the VRChat SDK gives you so yes it dose work

autumn violet
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Nope alpha blended is for worlds not for avatars the sdk will block the upload with that shader in use

sharp zinc
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do you know if it's possible or will be possible in the future to use the quest's hand tracking in vrchat?

humble canyon
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that's unlikely to ever happen as there wouldn't be any way to control locomotion

sharp zinc
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how do i make my avatar quest working

quasi wigeon
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what is the problem ?

fresh plaza
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I mean you could just do the point gesture to move that way :P

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but then again you would have people pointing all the time :3

jolly totem
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can you use hair cards with alpha textures or should i model the hair?

quasi harness
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you cant use alpha on quest, or any sort of cutout shaders

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android handles transparency badly

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@fresh plaza what if they just want to point at someone?

fresh plaza
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@quasi harness Too bad, time to hug them!

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:P

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Maybe a way to get around that is to point with both hands

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then again finger guns

quasi harness
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I finger ttavking is pointless. My index has it and I barely use it in vrc

timber swan
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so with the new quest 2 being announced I truly hope that the optimal requirements for quest optimization will be reconsidered.

heady wing
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There’ll probs be two versions. The og quest vesion and the more powerful version.

timid veldt
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i hope so too

real leaf
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Not too sure about that. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, because if they kept the current limits for Quest then the Quest 2 could run much better with those limits. Or they could increase the limits but have similar performance to what Quest is now.

Plus I don't think a lot of Quest 1 users may be happy about people on Quest 2 being able to see more intensive avatars (and in turn more of them) then they can on their Quest 1.
This would also set different performance targets for each Quest, overall it seems too complicated and not ideal to do such a thing. Makes more sense to keep the Quest 1 and Quest 2 similar to what they can see, but ofc due to the Quest 2 having better specs it will likely run better.

magic viper
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I imagine it'll be exactly the same except with audio since that wasn't affecting Quest 1 users much at all.

humble canyon
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yeah the Avatar limits probably aren't going to change at all as some of that new power would be going towards rendering resolution and yeah that's probably be better to use that for FPS then prettier avatars

orchid estuary
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How can I put blender avatars in untiy

magic viper
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Export as FBX and drag and drop the FBX into Unity.

dense finch
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@raw smelt It doesn't seem like it would be that complex, all you'd have to do is change the polygon standard for Q2 appearances and roll out updates the same way saints and sinners is

left holly
visual verge
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I'm hoping the quest 2 will allow more complex avatar in VR chat

heady wing
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no

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@visual verge the quest struggles to run the game normally, we'll probably barely get 60fps consistent now.

magic viper
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That's a huge upgrade, especially if they keep the limitations of VRChat Quest with that new hardware. At least you're still given the option to show avatar and that might not affect performance as much as it did.

slate cradle
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The only thing I'd expect from Quest 2 is to have the fixed foveated rendering disabled.

timid crag
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im gonna be honest, i feel like 40fps looks the exact same to like 144 fps

dim ravine
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Then something must be wrong with your eyes...

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Or the display doesn't have a high enough refresh rate to show the extra frames.

timid crag
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I searched it up, apparently your brain can only precieve at most like 60fps, any higher is nothing different

heady wing
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I used common sense, that's not how it works.

inland nacelle
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orange is fake gamer

eternal moss
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Actually it is the hardware. The eyes can see approximately 1000 fps, but if a TV/monitor is only 60fps the best you can do is 60fps. "seeing" a difference is subjective however, as some people can be shown a movie (made at 60fps) at 24.9 fps, and the same movie at 30 fps, or 60. Typically, a good 60fps monitor would have good clarity, and the background would be discernible, but most people never play to the background, and concentrate on the action (foreground).

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The main issues the Quest has: It runs on modded Android, and the chipset. The new Quest 2 eliminates some of the issues, but the fact it runs Android still is not good.

sharp zinc
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hey quien habla español

dim ravine
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The main issues the Quest has: It runs on modded Android, and the chipset. The new Quest 2 eliminates some of the issues, but the fact it runs Android still is not good.
Not exactly, Android is MUCH lighter on resources than Windows.

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Which also results in better battery life.

lusty gulch
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@sharp zinc #spanish es un canal para hablar en español

sharp zinc
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ok gracias

vital osprey
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alot of my friends on quest 2 hev the problem that when you change the avatar preformence sttings it doesnt actually work

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so you have to manually show avatars

slate cradle
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alot of my friends on quest 2 hev the problem that when you change the avatar preformence sttings it doesnt actually work
@vital osprey You can allow poor, but there is no way to allow very poor by default, since there’s no limit to how laggy very poor avatars can be, it’s the worst rank ïżŒ

vital osprey
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when they change it to poor, poor avatars dont actually show

slate cradle
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when they change it to poor, poor avatars dont actually show
@vital osprey chances are they are not poor ,but very poor. Or they don’t have a quest build.

vital osprey
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i've checked it and yes it is a quest avatar with poor preformence

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they can see me if they show my avatar

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but chaging the safity setting does nothing

slate cradle
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In that case you might be over the file size limit which means you are auto hidden regardless of performance rating

vital osprey
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its under 10 mb

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so they should see it

slate cradle
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Do you know what kind of robot they see before they show you

vital osprey
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pref block

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thay can see me when they show me

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but not with normal setting

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even tho it should

slate cradle
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Would be interesting to have someone else clone it and inspect the performance within the game to see how remote users see it rated. Perhaps there’s a local/remote difference, and perhaps it’s different from the SDK’s rating

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Just spitballing here. No idea really

trim wind
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Shaders maybe? You can't use anything but the approved VRC shaders (not even the unity defaults) on avatars. Anything else acts weirdly.

slate cradle
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That’s possible although the uploader would have prevented you from doing that

trim wind
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It should yeah. Bad/corrupted SDK? I feel like I'm reaching for an explanation here...

knotty sedge
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Is there a way to add multiple audio emotes if someone’s a mute on quest?

heady wing
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@knotty sedge The Quest version of VRChat doesn't support audio sources, so no.

knotty sedge
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Well what does anyone recommend

trim wind
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If you’re a mute on Quest, your best bet is to use a pen prefab (attached directly to your avatar) to write out what you want to say.

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Moon marker is a pretty good one and it works on Quest.

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You could also use American Sign Language. Lots of people understand it in VRChat. You’ll have to find the right community though.

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Check out the ASL world for more info.

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Third option, you could pre-load audio clips onto a phone and play them into your mic (bottom of the headset). Really low-fi, and the audio quality will probably suck, but if it works, it works. 🌝

knotty sedge
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Damn

slate cradle
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Although you won’t be able to hear it you could always put audio on the PC version of your quest avatar. PC users will hear the audio play even if you won’t.

knotty sedge
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I saw an texting emote could that be added for quest?

wheat pollen
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Is there any way for dynamic bones and audio?

humble canyon
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no

wheat pollen
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Cool

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I assume this is almost spammed daily?

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Cause if it is I appologize

trim wind
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@wheat pollen There’s a way to make things sway with head tilt; like for example, I have ears on my fox avatar that tilt when I move my head. Achieved using some extra ear bones parented to the left eye and some creative weight painting. It’s not a technique you should use if your short on time or if you’re inexperienced in Blender. There’s a lot of tweaking, and it can take days. It doesn’t look like dynamic bones either, more like ‘mickey-mouse physics’. I would only use it if you’re seriously invested in your OP & you’re after that specific effect.

arctic vigil
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im sevearly confused i wasable to upload a model with 18k polys and when i did it again with another model with only 16k it doesnt work anymore anyone have a idea why or how i can encrece it to like 20k it wasnt the first time that this happend and now with the quest 2 its now better then before with the 1st quest version my oppinion its now better then rift s even

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and it also doesnt make sence becauce it says that the mb size of the model cant be bigger then 10mb but preatty much all my models are not even 5mb or even less so i dont get it at all that drasticly poly limit thats just to retarted and makeing quest models like that is near to impossible

left holly
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No

arctic vigil
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okey how the hell did then several pplmade a quest model with 34k polys 17 meshes and 43 materials and 3 animators... explain how... and dont come with pc users see diffrent stuff then quest becauce im on a quest too

idle nymph
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are you inspecting from the quest side? If you are on PC side but inspect a quest model, it's showing the model uploaded to the PC build of the avatar_id

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I think you can go over 10k up to 20k but it's performance blocked without a manual 'show avatar'

arctic vigil
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i already said it im on quest too

sharp zinc
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Yeah, the stats for Oculus Quest are over 10k and less than 20k polys

arctic vigil
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not really i cant really upload models with 15k polys but i reasondly saw a friend useing a quest model with 87k polys i dont understand anything anymore

trim wind
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I’m not sure if there’s actually a poly cap on “very poor” quality avatars...

mint iron
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10k polys is the suggested max amount that the Quest can handle. You can upload an avatar with more but it's not recommended since the Quest doesn't have a lot of space to download large avatars.

humble canyon
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and the recommended amount before it starts Auto blocking as the default the avatar is 7.5k

arctic vigil
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despide the fackd that my models are always less then 5mb and my reasond quest model isnt even 1mb

trim wind
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@arctic vigil What happens when you try to upload models with 15k, like do you get a warning or something? ⚠

arctic vigil
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no the build and publish bottun goes gray stays for abit like it then creates a blueprint then makes the bottum klick able again and nothing else

trim wind
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What do you mean by blueprint?

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Try unpausing the scene when that happens, sometimes that can work.

halcyon dagger
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i need some help so basically i cant get into my account on anything and im really mad ive changed my password and i can only get on the website so what do i do>

arctic vigil
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@trim wind you dont get it at all

trim wind
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You’re right. Try explaining it better. Maybe some screenshots would help...

arctic vigil
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i already explaind it exactly how it is and how would i screen shot something that happens while trying to upload but goes not in the screen

trim wind
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I don’t know. Record your screen?

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@halcyon dagger Wrong thread. Try user support.

arctic vigil
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sure i record my screen upload it to yt and then delete it again... hell no

trim wind
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Well I can’t help you unless you’re willing to explain the problem properly...Good luck I guess.

arctic vigil
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good luck with your stuff youll need it sence you apperandly dont know what Blueprint is

primal sleet
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As far as I know there's nothing in Unity called Blueprint. To my knowledge that's the name of Unreal Engine's built in visual scripting language. The only reference to "blueprint" in Unity's own manual is Blueprint Mode in the Re Transforms component.

slate cradle
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okey how the hell did then several pplmade a quest model with 34k polys 17 meshes and 43 materials and 3 animators... explain how... and dont come with pc users see diffrent stuff then quest becauce im on a quest too
@arctic vigil There is no upper triangle limit. But if you are over 7500, no one will ever see you unless they force your avatars to always be shown shown.ïżŒ

There is however a hard 10 megabyte cap for avatar files... if its over, it will not load no matter what

tribal garnet
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i get 15 fps in every game i have everthing off the max fps i get is 50

south pelican
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hey

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there is no any channels ?

faint dirge
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All I want is for the pc and oculus versions to be as close to each other as possible

sharp zinc
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Am I the only person who thinks they need to get rid of having to unperfblock almost everyone?

humble canyon
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that's not going to help because all of those avatars would still need to be uploaded for Android

faint dirge
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If you’re able to un perfblock an avatar

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There’s no reason there can’t be a setting that does it automatically for every avatar on the map

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Every time I’ve been through like 20 of them at once my game performs just fine

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It’s just awkward having to stand around for a full minute pointing at all of those grey robots and manually enabling their avatars

magic viper
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A lot of my quest friends seem to crash from showing about 3-4 anime avatars. Maybe it's better on Quest 2.

humble canyon
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yay then maybe you would crash after sixth anime avatars

heady wing
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Quest version is always going to be different from PC.

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The architecture's different.
The power is different.

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the people not caring about the fact that 100k tri avatars are really bad is the same tho

magic viper
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It's really not hard to optimize, kinda surprised to see so many 50k+ tri and 30 material slot avatars with multiple particle emitters. I know those are the most popular though because it kind of gives a taste of the PC experience but at a pretty large cost.

humble canyon
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triangles the basic building blocks of a 3D model

sharp zinc
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@arctic vigil idk how you can't upload an avatar with 16k polys I made one with 96k

whole kayak
dim bluff
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@whole kayak maybe it has vertex colors?

wild edge
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Any idea on how I can get my avatar under the 10mb limit again?

sand mantle
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compress textures

slate cradle
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Compress textures, or reduce texture resolution. Atlas textures and then pack the UV’s to eliminate wasteful space on your textures which will let it look better at lower texture sizes

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Most mobile game modeling techniques work very well since it’s a mobile chipset

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Make sure you are utilizing every square inch of your UVs

sharp rock
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I've been trying to get better with my models optimization on quest with atlas texture but for some models it works fine first try but others just won't work for me or just use only one texture out of all of them

stoic ether
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how do i add people?

sharp rock
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Wrong place to ask bud

slate cradle
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I've been trying to get better with my models optimization on quest with atlas texture but for some models it works fine first try but others just won't work for me or just use only one texture out of all of them
@sharp rock if you are using tools like cats to do it automatcially for you it is much more prone to errors. I recommend learning UV editing and baking to manually atlas your stuff, it’s less prone to errors and gives much better control of the result

sharp rock
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Yeah I'll probably try and learn that then

slate cradle
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Tupper manual atlas tutorial

jaunty eagle
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Is there any fix for major lag on quest 1

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vrcStoic it’s unplayable sometimes

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Even in low spec worlds

slate cradle
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Don’t enable poor avatars, and don’t force avatars to show.

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That’s the best you can do.

sharp zinc
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suggestion for optimizations

  1. make it so all the avatars load BUT if the ammount of players in are over (value in safety settings) then either lower quality or disable avatars for people far away from them
  2. Make an option to make vrchat run at high piority (risky) BUT could make performance better
  3. make a built in converter so lets say theres this one pc avatar make a built in option to auto convert ingame (might lag but add that in safety settings)
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just some things I could think of because I just got a quest 2 and troed vrchat and had some ideas

sharp zinc
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Tried*

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i made some spelling errors (I was on phone)

wraith heart
dim bluff
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Extract and dynamic remap maybe?

cedar warren
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I have big trouble with quest optimization, if anyone knows about that stuff well, please dm me.

gaunt summit
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@cedar warren sent DM

sharp rock
mint iron
wraith heart
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@mint iron where do I find that panel

mint iron
wraith heart
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ok thanks

wraith heart
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alright well now i have a bigger problem, when I go to vrchat and it publish to android, it just says future proofing your content then just brings me back to the control pannel

mint iron
wraith heart
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well now its not showing anything, the mousr icon has a blue wheel but nothing happens

wraith heart
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Its saying that a prefab is missing, then when I click on it it just brings me to the vrchat sdk's code

mint iron
wraith heart
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@mint iron these are all the errors im getting

real leaf
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Missing scripts. Those need to be resolved

mint iron
# wraith heart

Like Eternal Ohm said, you have missing scripts. The errors tell you which bones have the missing scripts so you'll have to go into your avatar's hierarchy on the left, select the bones with them and delete the scripts (Don't delete the bones themselves)

hardy rover
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I tried making a world for the Oculus Quest and every time i try to change it to android it crashes. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Please ping me if you know how to fix it. Thank you.

slate cradle
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I recommend making it in android from the start, I tend to have unity crash when I try to build a world I originally made for pc for android instead

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Android has so many more restrictions that it could be any number of things

hardy rover
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i have a feeling that the SDK isn't compatible for some reason

sharp rock
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Sounds less of a sdk issue and a unity/pc issue

sand mantle
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sounds like you ran into support swap death, just recopy the project and reopen it and it should function better

hardy rover
sand mantle
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oh then it might be a hardware issue

hardy rover
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prob

knotty grail
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Uhhh

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Im using the quest

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and

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My mic just dosent work there

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im talking about the deafult quest mic

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Does anyone know why xD

trim wind
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@knotty grail New bug. Mute & unmute yourself & if that doesn’t work, adjust your world volume. 👏

fading urchin
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@knotty grail are you using a link cable?

sterile jolt
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i need help

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my VRchat keeps crashing when i try to go into a world

honest kestrel
sharp zinc
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Tips for anyone:
#1: Unity and VRC are against you. Keep this in mind.
#2: Use standard shader hacks to get more out of Standard shaders.
#3: Make sure your model has top notch maps, even if the textures are not HQ.
#4: Don't (bet on) using HQ textures.
#5: BAKE YOUR LIGHTING IN BLENDER

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thank you come again

dim bluff
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Bake+premultiply AO, yeah

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world of difference

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What do you mean by 'standard shader hacks', though?

sharp zinc
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You can download addons to the Standard Unity Shaders

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Such as RERO, though it doesn't work on Quest.

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But it's an example that comes to mind.

dim bluff
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Oh, yeah I use rero, I've contributed a thing or two to them. Was just wondering where it applies to quest x3

raw smelt
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yeah... you cant use custom shaders on quest... so why is it in here.. đŸ€”

gaunt summit
sharp zinc
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hola

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soy nuevo

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alguien sabe como pueo optimizar vrchat para un procesador de 1.60Ghz??

sand mantle
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@sharp zinc que instalado es gpu?

sharp zinc
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Gpu?

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Hablas del procesador de mi tarjeta de video? @sand mantle

sand mantle
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si@sharp zinc

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tu procesador deberia esta bien. no es viejo

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se es anitguo, es no posible que funcione para opitmizr

sharp zinc
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pues la alptop tienen u targeta de video basica

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su procesador es celeron

sand mantle
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esta viejo mi amigo

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necesita nueva procesador

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a menos que este de acueder con los grafic

raw smelt
sand mantle
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@raw smelt funny english man lol

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i think they gave up on their processor optimization

raw smelt
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well... then its not custom shaders on quest.. so my point still stands

raw smelt
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why are you trying so hard..? these channels arent for people using link. so bringing it up to prove your point is just.. pointless..

sharp rover
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it wouldn’t be discord without some pointless meandering :V

raw smelt
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next thing i expect him to say is "oh you can use fridges to cook things, just make sure you light your fridge on fire first."

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like of course it can do that... when you make a drastic change to it..

sharp rover
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don’t make them think too hard now, people have a hard enough time reading channel descriptions already

raw smelt
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LMAO

raw smelt
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no.. you are infact wrong for trying to insert a point that literally goes against the point of these quest channels... i dont get why you keep bringing it back up..

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it seems more like you who are the one that doesnt want to accept that they are wrong đŸ€”

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you just keep calling me "wrong" because you dont have anything to back your point up.. because it literally doesnt even have any purpose here..

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you cant use custom shaders on the standalone quest port of vrchat < that version being the one these channels were made to discuss about

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lmfao. god this place is so toxic....

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it was never an argument. you have no point to stand on. you are only attempting to spread confusion to those who dont understand the platform fully.

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hm.. last i checked the sdk flat out refuses anything that isnt whitelisted, that being the vrchat mobile shaders in the sdk. why do you keep trying here..? đŸ€”

sharp bolt
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the whitelist only applies to avatars, world creators can still upload their own

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I do agree that the perception that some people seem to have with the link is allowing the quest to see pc models etc is semantically incorrect though, you're just using your quest as a pc vr headset

raw smelt
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yes. he really is just the living definition of "WeLl AcHtuaAlly"

sharp rock
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The vrc sdk with all that I've screwed around with it and tested only uses the vrcmobile shaders and then even at that a limited few of those for avatars. Anything else it just yells at you for

dim bluff
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Standard lite does cover a lot of cases though. It's a PBR shader, so in general it covers 'most real objects'

glad fossil
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My friend on the quest 2 is having “internal errors” that keeps crashing her from worlds. She’s currently reinstalling the game. Any other fixes she could do?

cold sluice
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the quest crashes a lot I think that's normal, I crash every 30 minutes lmao

slate cradle
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Crashing on quest is not normal. It should not happen unless you have some avatars that are normally blocked being forced to render

inland nacelle
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everyone just uploads their 120k wolfboys and it kills the poor things ;_;

silent turtle
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can you make the czech republice room please

inland nacelle
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ive seen quest avis with 100 mat slots

hardy horizon
# glad fossil My friend on the quest 2 is having “internal errors” that keeps crashing her fro...

Have her increase her Safety level in VRChat settings, and go into advanced safety options and increase the minimum display performance and lower the max avatar file size. If it's avatar related as @slate cradle suggests then this will prevent poor performing avatars from displaying and reduce the amount of features that display on avatars.

They can also enable safe mode by pressing all the triggers and face buttons at once, which will disable a lot of avatar features until they go into the safety menu and reset their level. This can be used to confirm whether it's the avatars.

dim bluff
sharp zinc
hardy horizon
sharp zinc
jolly frigate
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whats the most beautiful yet surprisingly well optimized quest world you guys have ever come across?

left holly
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Quest church plus

magic viper
slate cradle
hardy horizon
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lol yeah i was referencing you in an earlier message.

frigid sigil
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some of my emotes are set to loop but when i do them ingame they dont loop. is this a vrchat not updating my avatar thing or does it have something to do with the animation override?

urban pilot
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On the crewmate avatar that jar made how can i merge the visor and suit color material together?

sharp zinc
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Poggers

cold sluice
sharp rover
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any cats users here try the new baking mode? for some reason no matter the baking type, it uses some weird garbage uv map that doesnt correspond to anything that i or cats generated

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the island sizes look like they're all wrong too, none of the uv fixing settings work

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all transforms applied, no modifiers, etc etc so im not sure whats wrong here

dim bluff
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That's prooobably a bug

sharp rover
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nevermind, somehow i missed that cats added a uv map to the model

dim bluff
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Yeah, it's also supposed to get rid of the old ones

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(on the copied model)

sharp rover
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im not sure how it got added to the original model though, thats weird

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im glad i checked there though :V

dim bluff
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That's very strange, yeah

sharp rover
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the bake mode works great btw, im getting great results from it

dim bluff
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:D

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A friend tested it out yesterday, and confirmed that pretty much everything on their avatar carries over with no struggle (as long as the avatar config is the same). So like, they had a wingflap animation and that worked fine, expressions, everything

sharp rover
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is there plans in the future to try to prioritize certain parts of the model (e.g. face, fingers, etc). i see its a feature of the standalone decimation already for fingers

dim bluff
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Uh, see the 'Animation weighting' checkbox?

sharp rover
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i tried that but the results were so-so, i don't use shapekeys either

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i might have to tinker with it some more

dim bluff
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That figures out what areas of the model are contested between shape keys or bone weights, and prioritizes them (so elbows always get saved, etc)

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Unfortunately I haven't found a trick to keep it weighting shape still, so, WIP

sharp rover
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ahh okay

dim bluff
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it'll improve, basically

sharp rover
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btw it doesn't check if the model has shapekeys, and will fail if it doesnt find any

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just adding an empty shapekey works tho

dim bluff
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but if I can nail that (especially in a way that doesn't need fine tuning) then like, hand-decimating stuff will only have minimal benefit

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oh, yeah that's a bug

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adds to list

sharp rover
dim bluff
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oof, yeah xD

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Oh, for hair, I found it super beneficial to just boolean all the hair shapes together. It made it animate better too

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But it wouldn't help with this problem

sharp rover
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wdym boolean them all together?

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you mean the boolean modifier right

dim bluff
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yeah

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Boolean modifier then apply, so you get one watertight solid

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I mostly did it cause I wanted to do ambient occlusion baking and animating with that got messy

sharp rover
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ahh i see what you mean

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the topology doesn't get too messy with that?

dim bluff
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(AO is a huuuge boost to detail)

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Uh, maybe a tiny bit messy. Not too bad.

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I -kinda- got it ready but didn't get it into this release, but I made a way to instantly copy-meshify-and-boolean selected bezier-curve based hair peices

sharp rover
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now that interests me

dim bluff
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so if that's how you do hair (and a lot of people do), you can turn it into a clean mesh without struggle

sharp rover
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yes i would love that feature

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and some way to automatically delete unused backfaces for stuff like bangs, where they never get seen anyway

dim bluff
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and more importantly, copy it twice, one at absurdly high resolution and the other at game-ready resolution, then bake normals in

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So you get hair that looks super high detail but is fast and doesn't eat up your poly limit

sharp rover
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wowo thats really really good

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you can barely tell the difference!

dim bluff
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Yeah :D Left is 56k tris, 5 materials @ 2k textures, 3 meshes. Right is 5k tris, 1 material at 1k textures, 1 mesh.

sharp rover
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that is truly awesome

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thats an excellent rated avatar right there 😄

dim bluff
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All their wing-flap animations, expression binds, everything still work

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I do wish rotation constraints were available tho

sharp rover
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thats the two big things im waiting for in vrchat in the coming years

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a better dynamic bone/rotation constraint replacement, and moving off of the old unity renderer

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and/or allowing certain custom shaders on quest, so we arent stuck with standard lite/fully lit 😄

dim bluff
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Standard lite can pull a lot of weight though, in the right world! It's just a very light PBR shader

sharp rover
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it can, im just longing for a better mobile toon shader

sharp zinc
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Hey does anyone know why I keep getting the unknown error when trying to make an account

sharp zinc
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So every time I try loading into a vr chat world my quest crashes, anything I can do to help?

cold sluice
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It either has something to do with your WiFi or your quest

lyric briar
sharp rover
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yeah but it’ll happen eventually :v!

trim wind
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@sharp rover Is MatCap affected by lighting? If not, you could always just add your “toon-shader” texture in the albedo layer and an outline or something in the matcap layer.

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Matcap is additive, so you could even add cell shading...if you want.

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Haven’t tried it yet, might be a disaster.

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We definitely need a new dynamic bones replacement. It’s a shame that they didn’t include it in the avatar 3.0 launch. That would have been the perfect time to do it.

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@lyric briar You’re totally right, which is why we’re likely going to have to wait for an avatar 4.0 before we get any of these changes.

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I imagine that VRChat will probably give players like a year or two to update their 2.0 content to 3.0, then declare 2.0 deprecated before rolling out a 4.0.

raw smelt
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for the sake of beginner creators i hope they keep 2.0 around for awhile. although i do see 3.0 as a straight upgrade in essentially every way.

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if 2.0 somehow conflicts with a new feature then i wont mind much if it gets removed then

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also i strongly feel that if we ever get a DB replacement on quest people are gonna abuse the shit out of it... which is why i think its not supported to begin with...

lyric briar
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people shouldn't do anything with 2.0 anymore

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it's pretty easy to replicate the 2.0 behaviour with 3.0, but you get so much more options if you need them

turbid kite
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Hey are there any tips for making vrchat run better on quest? my friends got quests for Christmas (I have a rift), and they can't run the game on the quests. Not only that, but the link cables are having problems too. Could anyone help us?

heady wing
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  1. stay in worlds that are optimised (not really a way to check this)
  2. don't turn mirrors on.
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If it's still garbage performance, then turn down the performance cap to "Medium"

sharp rover
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right now my avatar looks fine in standard

sharp zinc
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I mean also an optimization you can do is to lower the res of the screen your looking at

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Enable higher proformance with code in the quest 1/2 and will will be so much better at a cost of battery dropping to 1 hour 30m or just 1h

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FYI: quest 3 coming 2022 sometime if not sooner

left holly
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One headset a year. That bad pr

trim wind
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2022 is too far away. We’re supposed to have a Mars colony and nuclear fusion reactors by then.

sand mantle
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quest 2 is pretty over powered, itll take them a but to make a better model

trim wind
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If you look at the behind the scenes stuff Facebook reality labs (and their competitors) are doing, you’ll see that the tech is advancing at an insane pace.

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Like those NVDIA screen/lenses they demoed a while back that are only as thick as an iPhone.

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Or the magic leap AR tech (entreprise only for now).

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Or the Facebook reality labs 3D scanning and real time facial tracking.

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I tried out a prototype of something exactly like the Quest 2 (wired though) in 2016 as part of a closed demo; and the tech has only gotten better since then.

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I guess the main problem for Facebook is how to integrate all of this tech together in a cost effective way. They’re probably waiting for certain breakthroughs to happen in the hardware space before they launch into a Quest 03. They’ve definitely proven the demand is there though; so sourcing should get easier.

sand mantle
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either way, great technology is afoot

jolly frigate
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is there a performance difference for backface culling vs. not backface culling?

dim bluff
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It's pretty much double the GPU cost, I think?

jolly frigate
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@dim bluff double GPU on or off?

humble canyon
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if you have backface culling disabled it's double the cost

turbid kite
heady wing
turbid kite
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Okay, thanks so much for the help man

hardy nymph
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When I get close to people they disappear. Can I change that?

sand mantle
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@hardy nymph in settings, there should be a thing called “personal space”

hardy nymph
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@sand mantle thanks

inner nebula
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im on quest link and my headset mic is not working, its been doing fine for the past two days and now its just not working (i already looked at the forms and it did not help)

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any solutions?

sand mantle
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@inner nebula this is quest optimizations

inner nebula
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sorry im confused of what u mean

sand mantle
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this isnt a support channel

inner nebula
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oh mb wrong channel

robust current
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Whats the hard triangle limit for quest avatars? I cant find an answer as ive seen it range anywhere from 7000-7500 online

mint iron
abstract gust
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Is Unity's 3D Text object recommended as an easy way to make some text in-world? I'm not sure I want to trust it. Does it perform OK on Quest?

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It has a transparent background and I don't need or want that and I'm worried it's costing some not-insignificant amount of performance đŸ€”

rigid arch
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how do I enable full finger tracking?

nocturne osprey
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I need help

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Someone rescue me

cold sluice
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There is no full finger tracking for quest @rigid arch

rigid arch
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oh right, so which VR sets have full finger tracking capabilities?

willow laurel
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I have a question, My model is exactly 10k polys yet it still don't allow me to upload (I.E the build & publish for android button is grayed out) is there any way to try and combat this, without going back into blender?

humble canyon
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nope you'll have to bring it back into blender to make it less than 10K

willow laurel
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Okay, now my model looks like it's from the PS2. Sounds about right for quest

humble canyon
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this might be able to help out

willow laurel
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I used that thanks.

inland nacelle
willow laurel
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I fixed it in the #avatar-quest , I have to disable all other avatars in the scene in order to upload for quest.

shell jay
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@rigid arch I wouldn't say any VR set has "full" finger tracking unless you're using gloves or something like a leap motion but the Index controllers have decent finger tracking which if you have a PC that's VR capable you can use ALVR and a Quest to emulate the Index controllers using it's built in hand tracking but it has the caveat that you can't use artificial locomotion while having more accurate hands as it doesn't emulate the joysticks on the Index controllers so you have to use your Touch controllers when you wanna move around etc

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I wish the Quest let you use the Touch controllers as just button/joystick input while making use of hand tracking for most* positional data and obvs fingers
*I say most because I feel the gyroscope/accelerometers in the Touch controllers could still be used to make the hand tracking feel/be more accurate possibly

lone palm
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for the quest i have a link cable and my vrchat logs in using my oculus account but when i try loading it in steam its not working and also not logging in from my oculus account how do i chang ethat?

cold sluice
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it should automatically recognize the device once connected

pulsar tusk
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How can I combine materials to make one? I’m trying to optimize an avatar for quest but it’s too many materials

real marsh
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So just got my quest 2 loving it and wondering if anyone has any good recommendations how to increase performance

rocky vector
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can some make my pc vrcaht model quest also

heady wing
dim bluff
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@pulsar tusk bake or atlas in Blender using cats blender plugin generally does a pretty okay job

sharp zinc
harsh delta
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Question, if a model is all good with quest asside from more than the 7k poly and has dynamic bones, is it possible to make it quest compatable, It 2.0

sharp zinc
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Dynamic bones are an absolute no for quest. Just doesn't work

gentle geyser
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hmm im so confused. i changed everything to vrc/Mobile/Toon Lit but the unsupported 'standart' message still appears. is there another way to check what's still in 'standart' ?

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eveng changed the shaders in vrcsdk to mobile shaders lol.

autumn violet
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You should just go through all the mesh renderers in your avatar and check their materials

gentle geyser
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i cant change those shader settings can i? its the only materials i cant change. its not even connected to this avatar at this point so it doesnt even make sence why its complaining

autumn violet
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That was from one of the mesh renderers on the avatar?

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Like I mean if that was in one of the slots just replace it with a non embedded material

gentle geyser
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thats the only materials applied to this model.

autumn violet
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The amount of cropping you have it's hard to say where you are looking at

gentle geyser
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Want to jump into a vc so i can Screenshare?

autumn violet
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I'm in bed on my phone so not really lol

sharp bolt
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on the mesh renderer component theres a section called materials with a bunch of material slots

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you want to replace the materials there

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in reference to the screen shot with the face with standard

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oh wait, thats just from the imported asset itself uh

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type t:skinnedmeshrenderer in your hierachy search and check every thing there i guess?

gentle geyser
sharp bolt
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make a new material and set it accordingly, and replace the standard one in the material slots on that skinned mesh renderer

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you just need to expand the >Materials selection

gentle geyser
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legend. Thanks @autumn violet and @sharp bolt!

sharp zinc
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any ideas or help?

sharp zinc
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All the materials in my world are standard lite, but it still says standard shader is being used by something
any help?

autumn violet
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One of the messages in there will list you the materials

sharp zinc
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tysm

flat chasm
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When I use oculus link, it’s like a slideshow, constant studdering, lag and disconnecting. Is there anyway I can fix this?

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I’ve tried the oculus debug tool and it’s only helped a slight bit

spare orchid
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Same here, what are your specs?

flat chasm
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I’ve just took a picture of the specs so I don’t have to type it out

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robust current
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CPU is holding u back for sure

flat chasm
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Damn. Is there anything I can do right now or am I just going to have to wait till I can get a new pc or parts?

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@robust current

robust current
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um

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link cable is via usb right?

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or is it hdmi/display port?

flat chasm
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It’s usb. I’m using an anker usb 3.0 to usb c with a cable creation usb 3.0 active extension cable

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I was told not to use the official link cable

robust current
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ah, nvm. Just wanted to see if ur were plugging it into the motherboard instead of GPU if it was HDMI

flat chasm
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So I’m stuck till I get a new pc?

robust current
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well you just need to get a new CPU. the GPU should still be fine kinda

flat chasm
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Ok, recommendations for what I should get?

robust current
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actually try seeing what your GPU/CPU usage looks like while using VR. Im like 80% sure the 1400 is a bottleneck because vrchat is cpu demanding

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I see reviews that the 1400 is decent but thats in regular games not cpu demanding ones

flat chasm
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How can I do that?

robust current
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try seeing if frameview displays on the headset

half ferry
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hello, i have 20/25 fps in vr chat, i have (1660 6 gb, i7 2600 3.4, 10 gb RAM ssd500gb + 2tb HDD) any ideea

heady wing
half ferry
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ok, sorry

thick stirrup
sharp zinc
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There’s full body tracking with Xbox kinnect

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And a driver

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So you don’t have to buy the sensors lmao

peak pine
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for quest?

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@sharp zinc

sharp zinc
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Yes

peak pine
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wireless?

sharp zinc
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Yea

peak pine
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O.O

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ive been looking for one of those

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how much is it

sharp zinc
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How much for what

peak pine
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the full body tracking

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@sharp zinc

sharp zinc
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Like 15$ or sum

peak pine
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oh not bad

sharp zinc
gentle geyser
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When i want to upload a Quest avatar it this error message? am i doing something wrong...? losing my mind soon

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vapid cradle
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If I were to share a file with someone. Could they optimize it for me please?

gentle geyser
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id love to but i worked on unity for 12h

heady wing
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Uploading that and using it would likely cause a lot of fps drops.

gentle geyser
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only script errors

heady wing
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that stuff happens a lot. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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but seriously you should optimise that

gentle geyser
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Soo.. problem #238: so basycally that avatar has a (Standart: specular setup) material on the eyes. but unfortinately i didnt found a material i can use for the Quest version. any ideas? its for the eye lens.

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sand mantle
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@gentle geyser standard lite

gentle geyser
sand mantle
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@gentle geyser ah so heres the thing about quest... transparency doesnt really exist

gentle geyser
sand mantle
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yea, the only real thing you can try is "additive" under the mobile shaders. but you have to set it up a certain way

vapid cradle
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Can anyone optimize an avatar for me?

crystal shuttle
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How would I go about optimising a pc avatar for quest?

sand mantle
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@crystal shuttle dissolve vertices and use smaller textures

crystal shuttle
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So I gotta take it into blender?

sand mantle
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yep

inland nacelle
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how much vram (or i guess ram? idk howa snapdragon processes textures) does a quest have?

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would be nice to know physical limits lol

heady wing
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VRChat has hard limits on avatar and world sizes though, so no 8k textures on VRChat quest.

sharp zinc
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Oh.

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I'm having a problem with a skin.

hollow trench
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Ay

random fossil
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So uh, if I have a PC Avatar I worked hard on, but just slapping mobile shaders on it makes it look terrible since transparent images don't work on quest. Would I be able to just use a similar different model that I made so it doesn't look totally terrible and upload that along with my PC version onto the same avatar? so would be like, two different models on one avatar for each platform.

heady wing
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You could have an entirely different avatar for PC and Quest on the same avatar, but what you see is different depending on the device you're using.

random fossil
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Oh sweet. So long as anyone else using whatever device sees the model I set for that device, everything is fine. I attempted to upload a different model better for quest and it let me under the same pipeline blueprint, so just hoping it works like that and it doesn't bug. I'm a bit of a newbie, been at it for like a month learning unity.

random fossil
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Update: people still see me as a robot on quest, even though the avatar says PC/Quest now. Even friends.

sharp bolt
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if the model is very poor they need to manually click show avatar on you

random fossil
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17K Poly and it still looks pretty rough vrcTupAUGH ugh. optimizing for quest is harder than I thought.

heady wing
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Yeah, anything above 10k is blocked by default settings.

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And some people have settings to block anything above 7.5k

random fossil
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Figured out the issue, using VRM converter, accidentally duplicated it without checking "Duplicate for Quest". All my quest friendos can see my avatar for quest now, yay! Somehow even animations from PC carried over without my actually having to add it into the quest model.

foggy vale
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My wife is trying to play the quest 2 with virtual desktop and the game is super blurry for her. She is connected via ethernet cable to a gigabit router / 5Ghz wifi to the headset on a slightly older GTX 980m laptop (which can handle the game fine with wired vr).

She says the oculus menu is normal looking but steam vr / VRC is very muddy. She ahs gone through just about every fix she could find and nothing is helping her.

Anyone know what she can try?

sharp zinc
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Switching to Android:AndroidPlayer is disabled

warped zenith
warm igloo
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Making a quest-compatible version of a feature-rich avatar, had to shave down from ~70k

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9 980 tris 😓

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Carving off geo gets brutal towards the end

humble canyon
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you seem to be doing a pretty decent job of edge loop dissolving

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you could probably remove the holes from the belt buckle and maybe simplify the loops at the top of the leggings maybe also remove shirt buttons

loud tendon
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Hello all, I'm trying to optimise an avatar of mine, first call is combining materials together.

The avatar in question has a few materials that don't have a texture, and instead solely rely on various generic 'base colors' in the material settings.
Whenever I use CATS Material Combiner, it removes these base colours when generating the atlas, and as a result, they all end up white.

Is anyone able to point me in the right direction to solving this?

pastel basalt
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@loud tendon could probably add a small spot of that color on the main texture, and then modify the UV map so that all of the parts of the model that are supposed to be that color are mapped to that one point

loud tendon
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I'm not too savvy with Blender unfortunately, what I've done for now is making 32x32 images that are just a solid colour and assigning them to each material as an image texture and then atlasing.

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Anyway, further to my Quest optimisation journey, I guess there's no simple way to test the Quest version of the avatar on PC other than uploading a "clone" so to speak as a Windows build?

I don't own a Quest, I just wanted Quest users to see a rough version of what my normal PC avatar is.

sand mantle
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question: what is the leading cause for quest users losing their right eye?

weak sleet
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Ummm, if a quest user losses their right eye it's not gunna be to a quest, it's most likely something like a bottle of soap

sand mantle
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i ment like in worlds

autumn violet
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Most common reason is if you use the build switch button inside the sdk

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Then shaders

outer goblet
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Or light settings

lone hawk
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man the new bake tool in cats is great for making quest versions of avatars, 5,000 tris vs 20,000 tris

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sharp zinc
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Question : how many 40k avatars that are quest compatible have you made and will you make another world for them?

dim bluff
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@lone hawk is that your model? :o

lone hawk
dim bluff
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If you've got the rights to it I'd love to stick it under the 'examples' part on the Bake wiki page

lone hawk
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sadly no, i was just playing around with that stuff. and even with fanmade stuff i'm not sure how games workshop treats it.

dim bluff
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ahh fair enough

lone hawk
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i do have fanmade models i was given permission to use but i've been struggling to get some good results with them because they use a lot of floating geo

dim bluff
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next version that goes out will have several quality improvements... but I just moved so I dunno when that's gonna happen :v

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ah yeah, blender does best with singular manifold objects

lone hawk
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If i may request a feature it would be nice for pc to be able to break up the bake into up to 4 materials

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for the sake of preservering detail on models that had a lot of textures

dim bluff
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Well, ideally the only reason you should want different material slots is to use different materials. But yeah I'd like to be able to account for that

lone hawk
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yeah you have a point

dim bluff
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Have certain mesh+material slots left untouched while most everything gets baked down

lone hawk
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even then sometimes you want to use a skin shader for skin and a normal pbr shader for everything else.

dim bluff
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But yeah about quality loss, I figured out a way to kinda supersample intermediate normals so they'll be way more detailed in the final result

lone hawk
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hmmm

dim bluff
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that's the main improvement for the next release

lone hawk
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sounds nice

dim bluff
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I am also wanting to let you select materials/etc that it leaves untouched, so you could have like... hair that uses one shader and body using a different shader

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oh, and we combine all meshes into the base mesh right now, which messes up some setups where like... you wanna have held objects that you can hide. I wanna add something where for each mesh it adds a shapekey that shrinks it down to nothing, so you get the 1-drawcall equivalent

lone hawk
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hmm, i've never even considered doing props that way. smart

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i'm kinda waiting to see if they ever let us use constraints on quest, then i can do fun stuff like guns and whatnot

dim bluff
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I would really love constraints yeah

lone hawk
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man if only there was an alternative to decimate that would auto-dissolve a certain percentage of edgeloops rather than decimating

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oh shit i think i've had a breakthrough. if i use blender 3d-print tools to make a mesh manifold prior to decimating it gets much better results

dim bluff
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Haha, I've done that before

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The 3d-printify stuff is nice, but it tends to break models more often than just decimating in my experience

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I've actually been experimenting with an automated edge-loop dissolve sort of thing

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I wanna make animation weighting work better but... all of it is gonna take time

void beacon
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Should I use ETC2 or ASTC compression gor world textures. Also, 4x4 Block or 8x8 Block if ASTC?

sharp bolt
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I generally just do crunched ETC2 for most textures on quest
and for lightmaps ASTC 4x4

north ginkgo
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I'm trying to upload an avatar and upload is greyed out. I'm aware the performance is poor, but would that cause me to not be able to upload?

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Figured it out, you can't have non Quest avatars in the scene!

autumn violet
soft merlin
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Is there a reason how a Quest user can don a 776k-polygon avatar, but they're not allowed to see my 51k-polygon avatar? 🙄

sand mantle
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@soft merlin if they wear your avatar, itll unblock it cus theyll have to wear the avatar

soft merlin
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That isn't the case. I saw a Quest user wearing a Very Poor vrcPerfVeryPoor avatar with over 700k polys on it, yet the SDK won't allow them to see my vrcPerfMedium Medium performance avatar since I'm on PC. đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

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Are Quest polygons calculated differently than polygons for PC avatars?

sand mantle
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so a cross compat avatar is made up of 2 avatars

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you got the pc version (with too many polygons) and then th quest version (with not enough polygons) so since youre pc, you can see the pc avatar, but not the quest

soft merlin
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Oh, okay! :)

cold sluice
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The reason they wouldn't be able to see your avatar is because it's over the download size

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for quest it's 10Mb

sand mantle
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the sdk will prevent you from uploading something over the limit

trim wind
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I recon there wasn’t a quest version of this guys avatar.

sharp zinc
sand mantle
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thats odd, shouldnt be able to but its technically possible to upload anything of any size

sharp zinc
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Yeah it shouldn't be but I use a pretty malformed and old sdk

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It shows me some whacky stuff while I use it but I got used to it

sand mantle
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ah, so its probs just doing what it can basically and probs have less safety

sharp zinc
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Yep

sharp zinc
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Hello, I'm having a problem where people are only seeing my world I uploaded in the left eye, while the right eye is messed up. I'm attempting to fix it, but I can't do it properly, since I don't have a Quest.

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I tried changing the shaders to the materials in Unity, but that didn't help.

sharp bolt
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if you changed platforms in the unity editor through the sdk, there is an issue that causes that to happen

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you can fix it by swapping platforms to pc and back to android through unity build settings

sharp zinc
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Alright, I will try that.

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So, it didn't work. But that might be because I changed platforms with the sdk in the first place, so I will make a new copy of the PC version and change the platforms through unity

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It worked!

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Thank you so much!

sullen rain
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Hello, I have a VRChat world that works on both PC and Quest, and I'm trying to optimize the Quest version as best as I can. The thing is I do not own an Oculus Quest, so I'm really doing it blindly.
Some people says it runs fine, some that they lag, so I don't really know if this is because of Quest 1 and Quest 2 users.
I was thinking of disabling the wind zone for the Quest version, do you think this will give better performances?

abstract gust
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I have a question about transparency. Every guide tells me to avoid it, but I don't get precisely where the issue is. Is any texture with an alpha channel going to be a problem, even if all the pixels are at either 100% or 0% opacity?

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I'm using a particle system with the default fluffy white particles, and I'm wondering it that's costing performance on Quest. There's not many of them, and they're not clustering together and drawing over each other, but they are transparent so I'm worried that's the issue.

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And if it is, would the solution be to replace them with similar circles that are opaque? Or would the transparent corners of that sprite texture still cost performance anyway?

sand mantle
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so quest cant see transparent materials as far as I know đŸ€„ except if youre using multiply>additive mobile shader possibly

abstract gust
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Quest can see some transparent materials

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sand mantle
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ah i c

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then id assume its performance would be dependent from what is seen through the object then

abstract gust
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I just don't get how it works. If you have a sprite that's an opaque circle, does the 0% opacity on the corners of that count as transparency?

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Or if you have the leaves of a tree, the leaves are all opaque but the space between them is empty, does that count as transparency and thus cost the same way something like colored glass would?

heady wing
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Transparency on mobile hardware is cursed.

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Leading to having to redraw pixels multiple times for transparency.

abstract gust
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OK, but do the opaque parts of the circle in that example also count as transparency?

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Like, is pretty much anything with an alpha channel treated as transparency, and thus costs a lot on mobile hardware?

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I'm mostly thinking about trees here

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Trees and grass

sharp zinc
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Does anyone know when using the link cable to fix the mic? Cuz in game nothing gets picked up

heady wing
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But trees are very bad.

abstract gust
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Any image that has a 1, or any pixel? Because alpha channels are by pixel

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And what about the inverse? Is a pixel with alpha 0 not drawn?

sullen rain
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Hello, I am trying to optimize my world for the Oculus Quest, but since I do not own an Oculus Quest it is impossible for me to test it by myself.
I did some improvement, and some people says that it runs fine for them, but others says it lags (Both are on Quest).
I want to preserve a similar aspect in-between the two versions, so I remove only what is performances intensive, such as custom shaders, I lower the textures and lights, particles, etc...
I have a wind zone in my scene. My question is: Does removing this wind zone only will make the performances better, or do I need to setup something inside my trees in order for the game to not "just putting this script to sleep on all the trees but it's still running in the background and lagging the game" ?

thin solar
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iv noticed for me the quest 50mb upload limit is broke.

tall pike
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hey can someone help me setup my dell viser

smoky locust
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Does anyone know if you can automatically allow all avatars without using link?

humble canyon
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nope it needs to be running linked mode to see the PC avatars

silver jolt
zinc rover
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does anyone know how to do the ctrl z trick when uploading or if it even works? pls @ me if you can help

heady wing
abstract gust
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Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of

hexed trail
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Does anyone know if its possible to turn back culling off on the vrchat mobile shaders?

humble canyon
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not doable and that would basically double your polygon count as far as the rendering is concerned so you should probably just spend the triangles to make it two-sided the stuff that needs it and not make the whole model two-sided

sharp zinc
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anyone know how to fix avatars not showing up on the Quest 2? I did the whole "show avatar" thing when I selected the person but nothing changed.

sharp berry
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If you show avatar and it still does not display, chances are it was published from Unity as a pc only avatar, and not optimized and uploaded for quest.

sharp zinc
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The problem with that is that most avatars i see aren't showing up

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there are some that have pictures on their chest but the majority of them don't

cold sluice
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The screen is on the chest is a preview image of the PC only avatar

sharp zinc
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Alright, thank you, but how do I make the other ones appear? I can't even see other quest users when I see them change into an avatar that is quest compatible?

haughty spruce
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is there a way to remove backside culling on the quest? I think that's a pretty important thing in optimization to be able to render backsides

humble canyon
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nope there's no way to turn off backface culling and that would be more work having to render the backside

haughty spruce
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it would, but just adding more mesh instead would be worse imo

humble canyon
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either way that's not changing anytime soon so just use the extra geometry to make it double sided

haughty spruce
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i will, if i can fit it into the 5000 budget heh

left holly
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Instead of doubling the entire thing. You duplicate what you need.

sharp zinc
tulip moss
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@abstract gust Cutout is particularly bad on Quest. A single layer of transparency isn't terrible depending on how much is behind it. For example, I have a world with thousands of fireworks particles viewed at once, but against the skybox, minimal performance impact. You will see pretty terrible frames with cutout grass and trees.

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As discussed above, mobile chipsets are often “fill-bound,” meaning that the cost of filling pixels can be the most expensive part of the frame. The key to reducing fill cost is to try to draw every pixel on the screen only once. Multi-pass shaders, per-pixel lighting effects (such as Unity’s default specular shader), and transparent objects all require multiple passes over the pixels that they touch. If you touch too many of these pixels, you can saturate the bus.

As a best practice, try to limit the Pixel Light Count in Quality Settings to one. If you use more than one per-pixel light, make sure you know which geometry it is being applied to and the cost of drawing that geometry multiple times. Similarly, strive to keep transparent objects small. The cost here is touching pixels, so the fewer pixels you touch, the faster your frame can complete. Watch out for transparent particle effects like smoke that may touch many more pixels than you expect with mostly-transparent quads.

Also note that you should never use alpha test shaders, such as Unity’s cutout shader, on a mobile device. The alpha test operation (as well as clip(), or an explicit discard in the fragment shader) forces some common mobile GPUs to opt out of certain hardware fill optimizations, making it extremely slow. Discarding fragments mid-pipe also tends to cause a lot of ugly aliasing, so stick opaque geometry or alpha-to-coverage for cutouts.```
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This is from the oculus Gear VR post, but probably relevant

heady wing
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Finally, someone posted a multi-paragraph message about it.

tulip moss
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TL;DR is: small particles using the VRChat or Unity Mobile particle shaders are fine. Try to avoid overlapped particles or particles that cover the view (particle fog is terrible). Don't use cutout plants, sub with low poly mesh objects instead.

abstract gust
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Yeah, tidbits like this are exactly the kind of stuff I'm trying to do less wondering/experimenting about and actually just know 😛

Adreno is a tiled deferred renderer, meaning it renders the depth of everything, then renders the scene, ensuring only the closest opaque surfaces get rendered.

tulip moss
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FYI that is like super old info for GearVR, not necessarily relevant. It was more about mobile gpu in general with transparency

abstract gust
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That's fine, the basic concepts are still much needed food for thought

spring sandal
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Hello - I am having problems running VR Chat app on my Oculus Quest 2 - After several uninstall, reboot, re-install attempts here are the problems I am having: The VR Chat launchs and brings me to login (choose VR Chat or Use Oculus account). _ I just chose use Oculus account, the next screen I see is the Terms and Conditions and I hit check box on I agree. Then It says Initializing World and it starts blinking after the World takes me in front of the mirror to change my avatar. It is blinking so fast that i can't do anything but exit the app or reboot my Oculus Quest 2. How do I resolve this?
I have Uninstalled and Rebooted and Reinstalled 7 times now

molten apex
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Don't look in the mirror

hazy bluff
haughty spruce
slate cradle
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Better than having a shader that doubles it all

haughty spruce
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I actually had to look to posts in 2005 to see people suggesting a performance difference of not using culling, huh.

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For me, the problem isnt rendering the backface, but the skinning (that is on the cpu!) having to be done for more polygons

glass grail
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Hello guys I just switched to quest 2 and noticed that everything far from is impossible to see (steamvr via link) can anyone help?

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hybrid echo
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@glass grail

glass grail
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No it’s a kon, tried different sizes same

hybrid echo
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Is your guardian set up correctly?

glass grail
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I guess

hybrid echo
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Alright are you able to use the menu in Vr chat?

glass grail
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even stationary mode same result

glass grail
hybrid echo
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Alright what I think is that the avatar size has bugged and you have to change avatar

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But if your hands are too big for the menu

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You need to reload vr chat, go into a world with avatars, load in, when you spawn in there will be a moment where your avatar needs to load, if your able to change avatar before the big one loads you should be set from there

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During the time your avatar needs to load you will be normal size

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But you need to be quick before it does load

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That’s the best thing I can think of

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It might not fix but I think this is the best action

glass grail
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I don’t think the issue is avatar size but I will give it a try

glass grail
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No good problem still there

heady wing
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Because the Oculus software adjusts resolution based on your computer’s specs (i think)

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And I would also recommend using the Oculus store version of VRChat when using link.

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It’s fixes some other problems.

glass grail
sharp zinc
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he is good its not the computer specs

amber badge
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I heard that a lot of avatars don't show up on the first quest. is this still true after almost 2 years?

humble canyon
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yeah cuz that fundamentally cannot be changed as those avatars are not compiled for Android

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humble canyon
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and most folks don't have the motivation to make Quest builds

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humble canyon
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yes as at that point you're just using it as a PC headset

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heady wing
glass grail
heady wing
glass grail
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I’ve checked and set the Resolution to 1.7X and this is what i get the 3 avatars are not too far from me ..

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humble anvil
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is there any difference between using the link version of vrchat and the steamvr version?

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I'm having some problems with lag but only sometimes on the steam version, I have a 5600x and 3060ti

glass grail
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zero difference

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for me at least*

heady wing
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have you tried changing the graphics settings when vrchat opens? Or have you tried changing your config files for vrchat? And if that screenshot is taken using vrchat’s own feature, then I have no way of seeing what you mean, as screenshots are taken at a different resolution.

quartz mountain
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Im getting problems where when i join a persons game it sends me to that same game on my own for some reason?

glass grail
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i think config file will do only if someone can help me writing it

forest nacelle
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Some real optimization

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iron path
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how much better is the quest 2 vs quest 1 for vrchat?

sand mantle
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much

dusky fog
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Will there be an update that adds features from the pc version of the game to the Oculus Quest 2 version of the game? Like the camera, pc avatars, pc worlds, and custom sounds for avatars like music?

sand mantle
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possibly avatar sounds but everything else is basically impossible

plush jacinth
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i doubt it oculus is not that powerfull

dusky fog
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the Oculus Quest 2 is more powerful that the Oculus Quest 1

sand mantle
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yea, when people do direct pc-quest avatars and stuff. it doesnt quite go so well

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also remember that the quest is mobile hardware and uses a different architecture than pc

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imagine it like mincraft bedrock and java were cross compatible

plush jacinth
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maybe next gen quest will be able to do that

dusky fog
pseudo violet
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issue is just the packets are different

sand mantle
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exactly

dusky fog
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i have avatars that have sounds and music that i can't hear on the quest 2 version

sand mantle
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i feel like audio should work on quest eventually since its not like a heavy feature or anything

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but i dont make the game so idk

dusky fog
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it would be cool if the camera was on the quest 2 version too

plush jacinth
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maybe in new unity who knows.

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they could do that

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but i don't expect that tbh

sand mantle
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the way other games handled quest is that they only used the android support and not both pc and android support.

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since vrc chose to do both. its probs not going to ever allow pc stuff into the android “realm”

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also i thought there was like a camera for quest, its just not built into vrc

dusky fog
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the selfie camera for vrchat?

distant vigil
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does anyone know why the oculus quest 2 can't run steam vr at all?

flat gust
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the quest is an android device, it is incompatible with steam and everything on it
if you want to use your quest for steamvr, you can use a link cable or a third party program like virtual desktop or ivry to use the quest like a normal headset rather than a standalone device

celest cosmos
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!online

past marshBOT
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There are 38807 users in VRChat currently

foggy spoke
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!online

past marshBOT
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There are 39232 users in VRChat currently

glass grail
lone hawk
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anyone familiar with the CATS bake function know why it would put my uv's in these narrow strips like this? i have uvpackmaster btw

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humble canyon
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have you applied scale on your model

lone hawk
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yes

humble canyon
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no clue then

lone hawk
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i'm gonna see if enabling normalize islands in UVpackmaster fixes it

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nope

lone hawk
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perhaps clearing custom split normals data will help

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yup that solved it

humble canyon
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cool

dim bluff
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That's very odd

solar spade
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I'm having an issue tonight where no matter how many MB i take out, it still says I'm 62 MB when i try to upload for quest. anyone else had this issue?

solar spade
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I even tried switching it over to PC and back to try and reset it, but even as a PC build it says, "62MB is too big for this platform" :/

autumn violet
solar spade
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i have tried so many things...restarting the computer. detaching the blueprint, closing unity, then reattaching it. deleting and reinstalling the SDK. switching over to a PC build and then back to android. eventually it actually went through and allowed me to upload. i uploaded it as a completely new world as a test, to make sure i didn't corrupt my real world, and I'm glad I did because when i loaded it in game, it was there but the moment I clicked it there was an error saying "THIS BUILD IS TOO BIG TO BE LOADED." and it said it was still 62 MB. so frustrating 😩

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@autumn violet thank you so much for sharing the Toolkit, I have heard it's really amazing. I actually tried to install it a few days ago but kept getting this error so it wouldn't compile or something and wouldn't even load. :/ i tried updating my SDK, but that completely broke my game, so then I tried three different versions of the older toolkit over the course of the last 6 months, but kept getting the same errors:

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i'm not even using bloom lol!

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this just isn't my week lol

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ugh technology

autumn violet
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You have some script with the class name Bloom in the global namespace causing confusion between post processing and that script

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You can double click the error and check where the wrong bloom class is by mouse overing it in the IDE

solar spade
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first off, thank you for taking the time to read and reply, i really appreciate it

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okay so i double clicked it and it opened up visual studio

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what is the IDE that i need to hover my mouse over?

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if that's even what you meant

autumn violet
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Visual studio is the IDE in this case

solar spade
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sorry i'm sort of scripting illiterate

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oh okay gotcha

autumn violet
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You should see the GetSetting<Bloom> with a red underline

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This might be easier if we get on a call

solar spade
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oh wow! thanks for the offer!

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yes absolutely, give me a sec

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if indeed you mean now

autumn violet
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Yes

warped cairn
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I’m not sure if this is the right place for this, but I was wondering if this model is able to be made Quest-compatible? https://booth.pm/en/items/2554585

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I don’t want to buy it only to be unable to use it.

plush jacinth
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it looks too heavy for quest

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when you buy it, it won't be quest compatible out of the box

warped cairn
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Yeah I figured, thank you for your help

dim bluff
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vertex color baking!

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distant vigil
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Ok I have quick question!

So I was able to make steamvr work on my quest2 with virtual desktop and all that.

I'm currently having an issue where if I bring out the camera, my frames basically skip horrendously.
does anyone know how to fix that issue? I'd love to be able to take pictures with friends

distant vigil
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ohh I fixed it, I had to turn down the eye render quality option in the steam vr settings to around 20-38 %

wet yarrow
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Can someone link me a video/tutorial on how to reduce polygons in blender?

sharp zinc
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CATS has a 'Smart Decimate' feature that is, in general, able to reduce poly while preserving important stuff like shapekeys and weighting
Just look in the CATS plugin menu
Blender's native decimate is a bit more destructive, I wouldn't use that unless you know what you're doing
Make a backup before you do it, and test thoroughly immediately after the decimate to find if theres any issues or destroyed shapekeys/weights/etc

dim bluff
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Smart decimate is just Blender's native decimate with a workaround to fix shape keys, yeah

near wedge
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Disolve edges for meshes affected by bones, decimate for static pieces

lone hawk
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in general it's better to dissolve edge loops

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but it's a far more manual process

dim bluff
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Yeah. Bake's intent was to give you an ultra-performant model, for either quest or desktop, with zero effort

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Or, to put it another way, 'Your VeryPoor avatar has no excuse now'

wet yarrow
solemn marsh
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2 things that annoys me the most are that you can't see all skins and you cannot enable dynamic bones. Why not atleast give the user the option to enable it and when it gets laggy they can just disable it.

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mostly im just chilling with friends in a private world so it wouldn't really be a performance issue

sharp zinc
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Oh I assure you its a bad idea

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Ive seen what it does with performance

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Although it can run well if done correctly

humble canyon
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not even having the option is probably because it might get them kicked off of the Oculus store for the performance being way too bad

solemn marsh
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this is much to ask but they could make a sidequest version so people can sideload it with the extra options for advanced users

humble canyon
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that would be too much effort to maintain 3 versions just to results in most of the side quest users complaining because the FPS is bad because they turned on the extra options that they currently have turned off for a reason

left holly
bleak meadow
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How do I add freinds without being in the same world as them

distant vigil
bleak meadow
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It doesn't work fsr T^T

lime moth
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Can I unblock avatars that don’t work even when I click Show Avatar? Or are they just hard blocked from not being able to run it on the quest

humble canyon
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there is no way to show non Quest compatible avatars on the quest

lime moth
humble canyon
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if it's helpful info for why the PC avatars and the quest avatars are compiled for literally different operating system languages as PC is x86 and Quest is arm processors

fast brook
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Anyone else not able to load into the game??

fast light
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The Oculus Quest 1/2 processors are nowhere near as powerful as a desktop PC's processor and to lower the load on the Quest everything has to be built specifically for quest.

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This also applies to worlds that are not quest supported. The world owner/build team have to optimize it for Android

heady wing
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You can make a PC world with quest-optimisation techniques, but it still wouldn’t run on quest without being specifically built for android

near wedge
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oh yeah

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sand mantle
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quest 1 gon' die

near wedge
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atleast my avatars are now ranked excellent 😎

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but yeah rip quest 1

lone hawk
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facebook is gunna kill it off in a couple years anyway like they did the gearvr and go

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tech marches on

sharp adder
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Would the implementation of mesh memory optimization be a potential thing that could help quests? I don't have a way to benchmark one.

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But the basic idea is to pass the mesh data through an optimizer (i.e. https://github.com/zeux/meshoptimizer) that reorders the vertex and index data to be a straight-shot thing, which drastically helps with overhead from transformations and other mesh mutations

left holly
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At a small scale. I don't think so. On large mesh probably

dim bluff
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@sharp adder unity already does that I believe

lone hawk
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cats bake is doing dumb stuff again and i still don't know why

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uvs look like this

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dim bluff
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That looks pretty much right?

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Do you have a billion islands on your original model?

dim bluff
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@lone hawk

lone hawk
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I guess its just gonna look super muddy

dim bluff
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@lone hawk if you make your islands neater it'll avoid that

lone hawk
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The islands on the original were neat but the decimation out a stop to that

dim bluff
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@lone hawk decimation doesn't change the islands. You probably left 'Reproject' on

dim bluff
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Are you using the development version btw? I added a bunch of goodies in that

lone hawk
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Ill have to look into that

lone hawk
dim bluff
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For the new limits yeah, also normal baking is higher quality and a few bugs are fixed

lone hawk
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ah i see, does it have less of an issue with smoothing groups?

dim bluff
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Well it can't do much about smoothing groups when the geometry changes. But it bakes normals in world coordinates, decimate, then rebake to tangent. Now it super samples in the intermediate step so the resulting tangent normals are sharper

lone hawk
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ah

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it's a real shame the hard edges on the model i'm working with aren't already baked into the normal map

dim bluff
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Yeah... hard edges are geometry-dependent, so it's difficult to decimate in a way that preserves it (the decimation/normal map baking works best with organic objects)

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I could throw something in that detects hard edges and tries to preserve them, at the cost of other geometry? Not sure how that'd work though

lone hawk
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anyone got a good recommendation for a material atlasing system for worlds?

tidal beacon
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so after baking my quest avatar my colors got messsed up

dim bluff
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@tidal beacon how so, have a screenshot?

low basalt
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Is there a way to make the pictures that show Avatars not blurry?

night igloo
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Hello, So i am converting my avi until a quest compatible one. what shaders should I be using... anyone know or where to get them

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sand mantle
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@night igloo mobile standard lite

night igloo
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and which SDK

sand mantle
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whatever sdk you were using before

night igloo
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i use SDK for 3. PC can i DM u

sand mantle
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what for? this general never gets any conversations

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also game is blank soooo.... ye

night igloo
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i am lost lol

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ok so i made a model for pc then i was able to get my tris down to 15000 to make it quest compatable

sand mantle
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sdk3 avatar should work for quest, you just need to go to file->build settings->android->switch platforms

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then reupload to that platform and then boom. questified

dim bluff
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As long as it's not too high poly/wrong shaders/wrong components

sand mantle
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15k is quite a bit but technically it doesnt go above the limit

dim bluff
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yeah that's fine (now?)

night igloo
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yeah i think its considered med

dim bluff
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Ideally split that into 'shapekey' and 'non-shapekey' meshes

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but if you don't wanna edit anything that's fine too

sand mantle
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15k polies make my quest 1 testers go barf

night igloo
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i mean i brought it down form 200k lol

sand mantle
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android can literally handle shaders and even distortion stuff that doesnt work on PC. but then poligons come in and are like "SIT BACk DOWN" and fps goes all poopy

night igloo
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so ur saying its best to lower it to 10k

sand mantle
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200k to 15k, dang thats crazy

night igloo
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lmao yeah i made an opt for pc and said hmm lets try quest lol

sand mantle
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technically, but it depends if you actually care for the performance marking or not

night igloo
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i would want my shit to stay good for sure but i dont wanna crash peopel

sand mantle
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i would say the hardest limits you can hit would be 20 material slots. and 35K polies. for Q1, fps starts falling aftr 5k polygons and 3 materials

night igloo
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i have 15k and 5 materials lol

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well i tried lol

sand mantle
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thats good enough imo. especially if it is from a 200k poly model lol

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im assuming there were chains?'

night igloo
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nope lol

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jewlery and multiple hairs and particle systems and yeah

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lol

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it was like 190 or some shit

sand mantle
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thats a lot to go thru still lol

night igloo
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true lol Just gotta wait for VR to function again to try to upload the quest version and hopefully it can work as someones fallback

sand mantle
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yeash

autumn crane
# night igloo i have 15k and 5 materials lol

I started with a 151k tri model and got it down to 63k for PC, and then I just made a quest ver last night at 9.6k (you need 10k or under for a fallback avatar despite the new 20k min for quest)
Lots of decimation and I actually was lucky enough to find a lower poly version of the exact hair model I had so I didn't have to decimate the hair. Just replace it.

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I had to delete extra stuff like earrings though

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So if there is anything extra like jewelry might need to delete it so you can save tris for the more important stuff

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You should also try to Atlas the texture to cut down on more material slots. You can't even do transparency with the default VRC Materials in Unity (afaik) so even 1 material slot for the atlas would work.

trail trellis
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My decimated model was so bad I could see through his broken fingers :p

autumn crane
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Yeah that's why you want to avoid decimating stuff like the hands. Clothes can be very simple. I took my 2-5k clothes and made them less than 800 each

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You have to be very careful when decimating and make sure you make a save before decimation so you can revert if it gets too bad

dim bluff
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Further improvements to Bake! Now my model is pretty indistinguishable from the Desktop original at 7500 tris :3

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jovial sluice
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I downloaded Samsung version at 11:00 am my time it is now 1:30 pm and it still wont load anyone can help me?

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true sapphire
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Thats suppost to take like 5 minutes

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i would reinstall the ver of unity

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and when your install it again tick the android box so that it installs for you

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@jovial sluice

tired python
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is there anyway to use normal maps without using alot of materials?

sharp rover
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what does normal maps have to do with material count?

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they are an aspect of a material, not one itself

tired python
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Is there any cutout substitute in the mobile shaders?

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or any quest compatible shaders

sand mantle
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ye, use "additive" under particles i think

tired python
sand mantle
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vrc mobile shaders and then particles

tired python
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👍 cheers ill try it out

tired python
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When ever i create an atlas i get it purple like a normal map

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any one know why this might be happening

sand mantle
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send pic?

tired python
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@sand mantle

sand mantle
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is the atlas thing set to make a normal map? cus that def is a normal map.

tired python
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let me check

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how do i check atlas settings?

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for me theres update mats, save to

sand mantle
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on CATs, i think its in the window itself right?

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on CATs, i think its in the window itself right?

tired python
sand mantle
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hmm. check what the materials have in them. other than that. im not sure. id try google

tired python
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wdym by whats in them

sand mantle
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in the tab for materials. do the materials have normal maps with them as well?

tired python
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like here?

sand mantle
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yea. im not sure. but i can tell you that using .dds textures are rare and im not even sure if they work on unity. so that might be a theory on why the material combiner isnt combinding those

tired python
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oh i got pngs should i replace them?

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when i was doing pc version i would just make new materials in unity and put on the pngs that way

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think i mightve got it now

sand mantle
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ye use png

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see if that makes it not do purple. or it might do 2 atlases

tired python
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looks good now , but in unity it doesnt apply right

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do i need to delete all mats ?

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for it to apply properly?

sand mantle
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in unity, it its 5 different meshes, each mesh should have the same material

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also you may need to export the fbx after the atlas since atlasing changes the UV map

tired python
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yeah thats what i need to do

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also is there a way to apply a normal map in one atlas or no?

sand mantle
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i think you should have 2 atlases. the png atlas and then the atlas where it was purple

tired python
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alright

sand mantle
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in unity, the material setting should have a normal map slot

tired python
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got it all working , finally can make quest versions , cheers mate you saved me so much time

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also is there anyway to have a cutout texture for a quest version?

sand mantle
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ye, theres a mobile shader that comes with vrcsdk called “additive”

tired python
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in mobile i only have toonlit

sand mantle
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its technically ment for particles but you can use it as cutout for quest

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hmm. you may need to use 2 materials

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or you might be able to get away using additive

tired python
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maybe , dont think i can use 2 mats since its one mesh now

sand mantle
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where is the cutout needed?

tired python
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a cloth piece draped over

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covering the chest

sand mantle
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is there black or white stuff over it now? you may need to cut that shape out or make it a seperate mesh

tired python
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yeah black where its not cutout