quest-optimization

[peak falcon]

im trying to go from 19 skinned meshes to 2

2 for body and the rest for accessories

clothing and such

triangle count aswlel

[green oriole]

Best way: Dragging it all into Blender.

Lesser best way: D4rk's avatar optimizer to merge meshed in Unity and blender to merge the materials and reduce the triangle count.

Easiest solution, Polytool, a paid tool for Unity, has a test version you can use to see how well it handles your avatar, it will automatically optimize all that.

[peak falcon]

polytool will do ALL of it?

[green oriole]

I never got it since doing it manually provides better results, but yeah.

Not sure if it handles toggles though, doesn't say and I didn't try.

[peak falcon]

ill make a copy of my project and try it

While id really wanna optimize it as good as possible i cant spend ages on a vrchat avatar on a platform I barely use, lmao

ill report back once i try the trial/demo

[green oriole]

?
No need to make a copy, it doesn't touch the base files.

Although is good to have a backup, VCC can make a backup for you if you weren't aware.

[vagrant sparrow]

careful. you do not want it decimating your mouth, eyes, or joints (knees, elbows). you want it to decimate areas that do not bend or change shape. before using it, watch some videos on proper topology so that you know what to look for when decimating or retopologizing.

also learn about vertex groups, which will help with using these tools.

[peak falcon]

I know, but i'd rather be a little extra safe than not

[peak falcon]

Makes sense, straight non less bendy parts wont need defined bends rather than parts that are supposed to bend
Why learn about vertex groups though?

[green oriole]

I wasn't even aware Polytool cared for any of that, thought it was just entirely automatic to the point that it lacks any real control.

It is supposed to be the dumb way to optimize.

[peak falcon]

"It is supposed to" is crazy

[vagrant sparrow]

right the bendy parts use their topology for mesh redirection or to control the flow of faces. vertex groups to group areas that it should or should not touch

[peak falcon]

I see

I have a relatively fine grasp on the idea of vertex groups so im fine abt that i think

[vagrant sparrow]

just like with fabric, you can target a vertex group

[peak falcon]

Fabric?

[green oriole]

That's a terrible name for searchabillity.

[vagrant sparrow]

right so if i was making clothes or a blanket in blender, i make a plain and add the cloth modifier. if i want to wrinkle it or deform it i can vertex group the top and take the vertex group and give it weight. the rest of the mesh doesn't have that weight. you can do a lot of cool stuff with vertex grouping

[peak falcon]

why are we talking about minecraft modding 🗣️

[peak falcon]

oh yea i know i thought you meant fabric was another tool

im versed in blender vertex groups

[vagrant sparrow]

oh no

lol

[green oriole]

Same

[vagrant sparrow]

i should have said cloth modifier but i always seem to call it fabric (CUASE LEATHER IS NOT A CLOTH) lmao

[green oriole]

Heh

[peak falcon]

Is leather a fabric??

[vagrant sparrow]

cotton, leather, rubber, silk, and denim are presets blender knows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQC_xtFV0E

there is a chapter in here for using vertex groups

this is essentially what both d4rk and polytool are doing but with more showmanship

[peak falcon]

yea

i will decimate 90% and subdiv until i am back to the original amount of tris

[vagrant sparrow]

for mesh merging though use one of those tools cause you can get in trouble quick if you try to do it with pure blender

[peak falcon]

how so

If i may

[green oriole]

Not entirely sure what they are thinking about, but I use D4rk's avatar optimizer because it makes it easier to edit specific meshes, since it only merges the meshes when you click the upload button (it is non-destructive, the changes it makes only persist during upload, then it reverts), for attaching stuff to my avi I use VRCFury's armature linking component.

While I generally merge my Quest versions more than my PC versions (easier to see what part of a mesh I can remove when the avatar is in blender too), there is always something small I add to my avatars that is just way easier done in Unity, instead of in blender for every single version.

Merging armatures (for merging clothing to a base model) in Blender isn't hard, but just more finicky.

With CATS (and the unofficial one for newer blender versions) it gets a lot easier though.

Still, not often there is a reason to merge in Blender.

[vagrant sparrow]

cause you can't just merge meshes. the topology has to match. so if i have a face that has is subdivided as a 4x4 and want to merge the same size face that is a 6x4, i can't without having a flow control to have a redirect... made an example for topology, sorry it took so long

here i have two meshes (planes). one is 2x2 the other is 2x3

if i straight up merge the meshes, i have broken flow and created an ngon. see that the 2nd square on the top has 5 vertices. this can't be properly cut into a triangle by a game engine and we don't know what the result will be. so i have to create a redirection flow, so that mesh A has the same number of edges that B has where the merge will take place.

now we have proper topology. this is simple on a small plain here... but with a large model like an avatar it can get nightmarish. this is why i say that the 3rd party tools are easier than if you try to do it vanilla and are new at modelling

everything is now a quad or a triangle (all quads are two triangles anyways)

sorry its my beddy bye time and hope i am explaining this where it easy to understand where mesh merging can go wrong

oh just to close this out... that merged mesh would have been seen as this by unity. unity only renders triangles

[green oriole]

I see what you mean, but does this matter in this context?
Presumably they'll be primarily merging clothing and accessories, most base avatars to my knowledge are one combined mesh and therefore it shouldn't matter what the topology is, none of it is being directly connected.

[vagrant sparrow]

i thought they were merging the clothing to the avatar. like following the one avatar per outfit method of optimization.

either way its something they should learn. the concept is simple once you can see it

i’m really sleepy at this point though, i just hope i dont wale up and read that and be like… noooo! i explained that badly. brain dead now

[green oriole]

But you don't merge topology then, the meshes are combined, but unconnected.
I suppose it is more efficient to merge them together entirely, but that is needlessly complicated and to my knowledge you get most of the benefit there if you just remove any mesh that is being covered up.

[vagrant sparrow]

yeah joined not merged. but it still renders what is behind. the things you don’t directly see still matter. so all those hidden vertexes still count against your rating

but if the tool you use will dissolve the unseen vertexes then join is as good as merge, but thats a whole other blender plugin conversation.

[green oriole]

Ok then I get you.
I disagree that most people should need to think about that, just manually removing unseen vertices should be enough (like the upper arms below a shirt), but if you are going for excellent then yeah, merging everything is probably necessary for an avatar that is more complex.

[vagrant sparrow]

delete not dissolve. uh brain dead.

[green oriole]

Yeah, it doesn't do that, been trying to find something like that, but everything I've found just leaves visible holes in the mesh, so just done it manually.

My Quest versions usually have a lot of floating geometry, probably got some viewing angles where you can see holes, but it is good enough for me.

[vagrant sparrow]

havent tried it yet but i hear this one does it well https://blendermarket.com/products/combine

its in my group of next purchases, so ill let you know how well it works if you remind me

sucky part of blender market is you dont know if something is any good until you shell out money for it

[green oriole]

oh wow, 1 buck.
Yeah, that is interesting, might shell out for that myself to try.
Good question is if it can handle weight painting though.

[vagrant sparrow]

oh dang! i missed that it was on sale for $1. thanks for telling me!!! grabbing it now

[gusty flame]

ok was really skeptical, in the "why do I need this?" way but that looks quite good

[thin pollen]

yo i need help i want to buy new router cause my sucks and i need to have wifi 6 also with something named like this EuroDOCSIS 3.0 and i wanted to finde router with it but i could not find one did anyone have it?

[pure cape]

Might be better to put your original one into modem mode and just put a standard router in after it

[thorn cobalt]

hey do any of yall know if thee is any genuine wat to fix stick drift

[green oriole]

Replacing the joysticks

[ionic wasp]

Try WD-40 Contact Cleaner or yea, replace joysticks

Had to replace mine bc the drift was too bad

[thorn cobalt]

yeah im getting close

[ionic wasp]

If you wanna take a shot at replacing them, I think I got my kit for $20

[severe herald]

Hello, I’m looking for a help for my issue. My current experiences using the Quest 3s using VRCHAT:

⦁ Glitchy Motion
⦁ Nothing is still
⦁ Everything is shakey
⦁ Looks like an earthquake in my eyes

I’m not sure what to do and how to fix this. Looking for people who have similar experience or knows how to resolve, thanks!

[fluid arch]

help

i need to make this a bit smaller

[oblique ember]

guyss

vrc quest tool wont work

[fluid arch]

why does it say security checks failed when try to play on quest?

[inland canopy]

how do i fix this?

i switched to toon lit and this happened, was using poyomi before

[green oriole]

Looks like vertex colors, which are good when you want them, but all the Quest shaders force them to be visible which causes a lot of people issues, you either remove them in blender (Color attribute) or use https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools

[calm sequoia]

How do i remove this>

[minor raven]

have less physbones

[calm sequoia]

an we call for that

can

[gusty flame]

you look in the hierarchy for objects with physbone components, then decide which ones you want to remove.

They'd either be on a very obviously named object, or on whatever bone they affect.

You can probably take some educated guesses as to which bones: ears, tails, chains, hair, etc.

[sonic flame]

What is the best compression mode for Quest? I don't need Alpha for obvious reasons

I wanna keep texture size as down as possible

Going with ASTC 8x8 block seems good lol

[tepid pasture]

Hey it's been a while since i made a quest avatar, but I remember the limit for polygons being 20k? did they lower it to 10k?

[sonic flame]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

20k+ Very Poor, 20k for poor, 15k for medium 10k for Good

[tepid pasture]

ah ok

so I'm still under the limit then

On a side note, I have some clothes and accessories that can be toggled on and off at my clients request, but I have them as separate objects and unity doesn't like that. How do I keep them and still be able to upload the avatar?

I have 4 skinned mesh renderers

[sonic flame]

Make the clothes as a prefab with VRCFury to help with this using armature link, and upload them as separate avatars

You can even make the toggles using vrcfury built into the clothes prefab so you wont have to do extra work too!

[green oriole]

Yeah, ASTC is the best choice for both Android and IOS.

[sonic flame]

I wish Quest download size was increased by 5MB 😢

[waxen prism]

Sometimes I wish that too. But I lowered my textures from 2048 to 1024, and crunch compress to 50%. Still learning more on Unity, and will learn more on Blender. Still need to relearn that.

[heady wing]

50% less avatars being able to be shown, or 10mb limit
That’s basically your options with that

[waxen prism]

Don't forget the 40 mb uncompressed size limit too

[arctic elk]

is this something i have to worry about? i just enterd play mode on gesture manager

[long venture]

if its just gesture manager it shouldnt matter but like the warning says make sure to upload the PC version before any mobile versions

[real geode]

My blush for my avis on quest look like bricks on the face i want to fix it but no transparent shaders for quest exist rn

So what do i do..

[lunar crypt]

im wondering what to do too because my avatar uses a bunch of transparent textures (for example, the laces on the boots)

[lunar crypt]

as for your issue, does the blush use the same mesh as the face? if so, you can just put them together in a program like firealpaca (first free example i could think of)

[real geode]

I make booth avis

Its for the expressions

[lunar crypt]

ahhhhh then im not sure

crossing my fingers that somehow quest/android/ios gets a fix for this eventually. would be late asf but

[long venture]

when it comes to transparent stuff generally people take the model to blender and use the knife tool on those meshes to give it a cut-out effect

[humble canyon]

\that's functionally never happening because of the way transparency rendering is handled on mobile Hardware makes it suck a lot more compared to PC

[lunar crypt]

ahhhhh

[lunar crypt]

would 22-23k tris be too much for oculus? and is 2048 too high of a texture resolution?
edit: down to 18k tris

[gusty flame]

the suggestion is 10k, but "too much" is kinda arbitrary

[lunar crypt]

im tri-ing (lol) to get my tri count down as low as i can without completely butchering my avi o7

[waxen prism]

It would be Poor performance under 20k tris

[maiden schooner]

alr so, i never knew questies could even see particle effects on avis.. and i just found out they are basically optimized particle effects or sum. Could someone tell me how it works??

[waxen prism]

The particles like shaders use the exclusive VRChat/Mobile shaders. Particles is selective. Additive and Multiply work for it. Previously, they would show up as squares unless someone who was more talented was able to use texture to give it a shape.

[echo wagon]

idk if this is exactly the place to go but i was just wondering if anyone knows why the 10MB thing became even more strict with the whole security checks? i unfortunately cannot use avatars ive paid a lot of money for on quest and sadly im 99% quest user. so im just curious.

[long venture]

the 10mb hasnt changed its the uncompressed size iirc

you could try contacting your model creator about them making an actual quest supported version as the current limits arent that strict unless you're majorly unoptimized

theres also scripts like VRCQuesttools or polytool that can help with lowering your model's stats if the creator you purchased from is too lazy

[honest fern]

10mb has been here for a long while

[echo wagon]

Oh ok I just thought it was the 10MB bc that's the only time it would say "failed security check" is if it was over 10MB but I used to be able to use avatars over 10MB whether I uploaded the avatar or if it was a public upload by someone else

So I just assumed that's what it was bc I had to remove things from an avatar myself to make it less than 10MB then the "failed security check" immediately went away

[long venture]

unless you were using modified clients i doubt you actually were uploading over the 10MB limit

[echo wagon]

I was using modified clients bc for some reason the actual vrchat companion stopped working for me after a while and I had to resort to other sdks

No matter how much I tried troubleshooting or fixing it the vcc just wouldn't work for me 😓

So I had to use other ones

Or get someone else to upload for me

But at the same time unity and me aren't bestfriends 😭🙏

[long venture]

wow.. surprised you didnt get banned yet then

both the options you were using break TOS so just dont do that from now on

if you're struggling with your VCC you can ask for help with it in here

[echo wagon]

Oh mb I don't remember seeing that in the TOS but it also has been a minute

And my memory sucks

But I have been trying to fix it

I almost got it to work one time recently so I've been making some progress on my own

I don't really upload anymore though and also I've only used the modified client only more cently bc it's more recent that my vcc stopped working but it's stopped working in the past then randomly fixed itself

But I will stop using that now

I genuinely don't remember it in the TOS so that's my apologies but thank you for giving the reminder 😓🙏

It's just my main issue is getting the vcc to actually open in unity like the sdk. The tab where you like upload it and stuff won't open no matter what I do but it shows the little options on the top bar saying it's in the Unity project and gives me the option to open or reload the sdk but doesn't work

[lunar crypt]

How do quest avis have multiple props? Mostly asking about the 4 material limit

[gusty flame]

merge meshes / materials

[lunar crypt]

does that work with toggleable props? and props with multiple swappable textures?

[ashen valve]

with this avi there is NOTHING i can do to make her quest / optimize her more atp, I've deleted 80% of her toggles, her textures r all low, and if i take anymore assets off her she will be naked 😭
is there any tips?? is this a bug of sorts? because this issue has never happened in the past

[lunar crypt]

what specific upload errors are you getting?

[ashen valve]

shes too big, 44.05 / 40

but on pc she is 18 mb gulp

[lunar crypt]

thats so so close, hmm

[lunar crypt]

idk how much help ill be here but have you reduced her texture resolution?

[ashen valve]

ive reduced them all

like, ALL of them LMAO

[lunar crypt]

then have you taken her into blender and decimated her? im in the process of doing that with one of my models and while i cant help (still learning blender), it might help

[ashen valve]

im using the manuka base model from booth so I haven't done that,
i've been making booth models for some years now and this hasn't been an issue until lately, which is odd

[lunar crypt]

how recent? because iirc the quest size limit was changed relatively recently due to the android port of vrchat going live for open beta testing or smthn

[ashen valve]

like, ~a month

[lunar crypt]

huh. weird 🤔

i think decimating in blender will help a LOT, and you can probably do it without messing with her appearance too much

[ashen valve]

do you have a tutorial for that? im a blender newbie LOL

if anyone has any unity tips pls lmk bcs this cannot be right LOL

[lunar crypt]

i dont lol 😭 im still looking for a good one myself LOL

[pure cape]

That's oddly high for a quest avatar, have you checked what's actually using the space?

[ashen valve]

how do you do that?

[pure cape]

https://vsk.lox9973.com/abstat/

[ashen valve]

eek im not sure how to use this

[pure cape]

Run a build in unity for android, then on the site press the button and enter %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\VRChat\VRChat\Avatars into the explorer box and press enter, you should then see your avatars for selection

Any luck?

[lunar crypt]

Oooooooo omg, thats awesome (i use windirstat so im familiar with how it works/looks)

[ashen valve]

uhh not with that in particular, but when i upload the quest vers seperately, it reads as 6mb, the second i attach it to the pc version it reads 45

gulp

quest version 4 comparison

[pure cape]

that really doesn't make sense..

[ashen valve]

it doesnt like at all

makes me curious, im going to try to upload like.. in reverse

see if it works

stupid problems stupid solutions, i suppose

[ashen valve]

update: i made her quest joyous day

[nocturne chasm]

💀 reading that chat with ame as I'm here to type out I have the same problem with a booth avatar of my own.

It says 10.12 MB but if I try to delete anything or lower anything it jumps to 44mb , 45mb 😭 I don't know why or what to do it doesn't make any sense instead of lowering when deleting a item it goes up does anyone know what I should do-?

[heady wing]

Is the ~45mb value the uncompressed size?
Because that needs to be below 40mb for quest too

[waxen prism]

Lower the resolution on the textures

[long venture]

and/or delete un-used blendshapes, atlas textures, merge material slots, lower tris count

lots of pretty easy ways to lower the model size

[nocturne chasm]

i was not aware of this ty i got her uploaded 😭

[grim whale]

Gosh, I hate how strict Quest avatar restrictions have become recently- all of the avatar bases I have bought or had gifted to me that had Quest compatible prefabs before can no longer be used to make a Quest compatible avatar, and it aggravates me to no end... At this point, I am just better off having those crummy looking Imposters for my avis done instead...

[green oriole]

Aside from plugging holes that allowed modded SDKs to completely ignore the limitations (a bannable offence) I don't remember anything even remotely recently having been changed.

Last thing that got tightened was PC avatars. (200mb download, 500mb uncompressed)

[waxen prism]

@grim whale Have you reduced the textures for the ones you uploaded yourself?

[grim whale]

All the way down to levels like 32 and it always tells me it is still too big, even when the model is sub-20k tris

[heady wing]

feels like the only thing tightened in the last at least 5 years

[long venture]

alot of creators are lazy and only made their content work just barely within limits that'd allow uploads, alot of them have also started making people pay for uploads to their accounts rather then updating the packages to properly work, overall quest "supported" content is generally crummy

you could try optimizers like Polytool or VRCQuesttools though the outcomes can vary quality wise

Thry's avatar performance tool is also good for figuring out what's actually taking up all that space on the model for you to fix it

[grim whale]

@long venture Well, I don't have the kind of money to fork over for Polytool at the moment so I can't try that, but I have tried VRCQuestTools and Thry's Avatar Performance tool, and neither seem to really help- QuestTools doesn't really do much for most of my bases and Thry's performance tool doesn't really provide me information I can really decipher or work with.

I guess at this point I just give up trying to make my avis Quest compatible and just rely on impostors so that my Quest friends aren't just seeing my fallback...

[gusty flame]

are you trying to reduce the size of a mesh object?

if so, blendshapes take up a lot of space.

[grim whale]

Oh, I didn't know that about that about blendshapes. I'll have to double check.

[grim whale]

OK, so double checking my avatar bases I have been triyng to use recently, all of them for god knows what reason have over 100 something blendshapes...

[green oriole]

I recommend VRCFury's blendshape optimizer for that, means you don't permanently remove any blendshapes.

And any blendshapes set to a specific value but aren't animated are baked in, which removes those too.

[grim whale]

Not sure how to use that because at best, all I have ever used VRCFury for has been easier installation of premade toggles and GogoLoco

And not sure about automatic removal because I do visit MMD worlds and afraid automatic removal would remove the ones MMD worlds look for

[gusty flame]

Yeah that'd be a problem:

Automatically bakes all non-animated blendshapes into your avatar's meshes. Reduces your VRAM usage for free, no configuration required!

ooh but: https://vrcfury.com/components/other#mmd-compatibility

that'll handle it.

[grim whale]

Ah, I do use that already to make sure that all my prop toggles don't insta-turn on during MMD worlds

[gusty flame]

Then adding the Blendshape Optimizer probably will work for you

[grim whale]

Yeah, I guess. Also, for the main base I have been struggling with and the main one I have been wanting to use for copies of the same avatar but with different outfits, I am probably better off optimizing the shape keys for it by hand in Blender so I don't have to redo it every single time I want to work with that base

[gusty flame]

usually what I do if I have a custom version of a base is combine all the shapekeys I want into a single "me" shapekey on the base model. Then I make the "me" version by just copying it, deleting unused shape keys, and applying the "me" one to basis so it's the default.
Thus I preserve the original one in case I need it.

I have a one model with several of these shapekeys 'cause I did work for multiple people

[grim whale]

Ah. But at least I know the culprit now of why some of my Quest bases can go through and the others struggle- looks like unused blendshapes were bloating up the file size.

[gusty flame]

yep, makes sense

[grim whale]

Now I just need to go an redo the ones I have been working on (not that I mind going back in from scratch- I found other issues that I can fix with them while I was in-game anyway while at it)

[grim whale]

OK, yeah, that didn't help whatsoever... I guess my favorite base will never be able to be Quest compatible at this point... Ugh....

Cleaned up the model's blendshapes until only the visemes and MMD keys were left, decimated the living heck out of the model, shrank the texture resolution as far down as I could without them looking like blobs of color, and still zero luck.

[covert sundial]

I found your issue lmao how do you even do this

There's no way that's accurate

They're making a Michael Bay transformer lmao

[gusty flame]

that doesn't seem like a lot of triangles though

[covert sundial]

I don't do Avatar stuff very often nor do I use blend shapes that much so maybe I'm just reading this wrong but to me that looks like it's saying there's well over 6,000 blend shapes

Never mind okay I get it it's the amount of affected tris not the amount of blend shapes lol

[gusty flame]

yep

6k blendshapes would be impressive 🙂

[shy prairie]

Avatar Dynamics (PhysBones and Contacts) performance rating will be "Very Poor", so you will not able to upload for Android. Please keep "Poor" rating in avatar dynamics categories.

guys how do i fix this?

[long venture]

not sure if you've already fixed this but you'd need to remove some phybone components (likely the hair based off the screenshot) but this would mean that it wont move, if you want it to move but keep the phybone count down then you'd need to take it into blender and merge + reweightpaint the bones

[lone grove]

Can anyone help

I have a feeling its from the hair, and I know nothing about unity

[tiny prairie]

@mortal kernel Ik we don’t get along but can you try to help them

Your good with this stuff

[mortal kernel]

If your trying to make quest Avis fast I recommend questools but yes it’s gotta be the hair physbones

[lone grove]

Can you help me disable those?

[tiny prairie]

I would have helped if I knew how

[lone grove]

Idc if the hair moves or not,

[mortal kernel]

Look in the hierarchy and search hair root

Or tail root

And the physbones will be right there 👍🏻

[tiny prairie]

I’m a little special so I can’t help

Haha

[lone grove]

I dont see hair root

So I'll look tail

No tail

[mortal kernel]

Look for anything tail hair ears

Chains

Anything in that aspect

[lone grove]

Hold on I'll ss

[tiny prairie]

Kk

[tiny prairie]

Holy sweat mother of Jesus

[lone grove]

I think he didn't name it root or something

[tiny prairie]

That’s a lot help😭

[lone grove]

Lol

I had them base it off this

[tiny prairie]

Ah

[tiny prairie]

Makes sense

[mortal kernel]

If you click on any of them do you see your physbones on right ?

[tiny prairie]

I might get unity and start making avatars

[lone grove]

I clicked the lowercase "hair" and jt shows psybones

[gusty flame]

wow, what the heck is that mess

[mortal kernel]

Ss?

[gusty flame]

oh that's a search, it might be more reasonably arranged

[tiny prairie]

Thank you for helping

[mortal kernel]

Ok click on the physbones and hit remove component

[mortal kernel]

Np

[lone grove]

Done

Ok 1 error down

[mortal kernel]

Now do that to where it says physbones and u should be good

[lone grove]

2 tongo

[mortal kernel]

🫶🏼

[tiny prairie]

Like ik we aren’t friends and I think you hate me but seriously thank you

And I’m sorry

[mortal kernel]

For the physbones colliders there where you would get rid of the physbones

[mortal kernel]

Dw it’s good

[lone grove]

How do i find those

Do i just remove all the psybones or no

[mortal kernel]

Mhm

[tiny prairie]

You sure I feel like a piece of shit

[mortal kernel]

Nah it good

Idrc tbh 😋

[tiny prairie]

If you say so

[lone grove]

Oh no

Unity crashed

[tiny prairie]

I would kms

😭

[lone grove]

I forgot to click to have it be for android aka meta, and tried canceling

[tiny prairie]

If you need anything or anyone to talk to your always welcome to add me and vent

[lone grove]

I think i can select it to be android afterwards?

[mortal kernel]

Mhm

[lone grove]

Alright

I removed phsybones from hair, chest, skirt, and stuff

Annd it failed, too large by 5mb

[tiny prairie]

Oh god

[lone grove]

I removed the particle system

Gonna try again

It only removed .50 mb

This is what im working with

[tiny prairie]

Hmm

[lone grove]

For some reason, it had audio for sword slashes

I removed em, quest cant hear anyway

Only removed another .50 mb

Idk how to reduce the size more

[tiny prairie]

Erm I think chubzu passed away 0.0

[lone grove]

Oof

Shall a ping revive?

[tiny prairie]

Idk

0.0

Possibly

[lone grove]

It gave me an option for offline test

[tiny prairie]

I don’t even have unity or anything like that

I’m just here to be that annoying unwanted support person😂

Anyways, where should we have her funeral?😢

[lone grove]

Could you recommend how to lower the size?

[mortal kernel]

Compress the textures

[lone grove]

How so

[tiny prairie]

:/

[mortal kernel]

Click on the material and then you’ll see the materials image click there and you’ll see like compress something

[lone grove]

Lmao

[tiny prairie]

She awoken from the dead!

Happy now VR chat

[mortal kernel]

😔

[lone grove]

Wheres the material

[mortal kernel]

Click on something on the avatar on the right side you you’ll see the material then you can hit the down arrow and you’ll see the image texture

[lone grove]

Its at 14.17mb out of 10mb

[mortal kernel]

I’m to eepy gang uhhh delete
Things off the avatar

That should help you

[lone grove]

Hmm, i can always readd the sword later,

It barely removed any

Ok i removed the sword model completely, and it took off 3mb

Only 1.75 to go

Removed more stuff, i hope its enough

Tried the downscale beta thing

Still not enough

[lone grove]

I took everything off that was an accessory, im short 1.32 mb

[gusty flame]

remove unused blendshapes?

[lone grove]

Im only .50 mb away from allowance

I think i did it

Nope

Deleting unused materials didnt work

Annnd fuck

I deleted accessory material, and now parts of my avatar are purple

Gonna have to find those fucking pieces to either delete or change the texture

Finally got it

Although i need to see if i can re add my mask

It says uploaded, i transfer into it, but now says ingame it has no mb, nothing

Its as if i downloaded a broken model, meaning i broke something

[lone grove]

I have found the problem with the android version, It does not like the poiyomi toon shader,

had to unlock every single model for it to find the correct one since they were locked

but now, i need to figure out how tf to remove that shader properly

Anyone know how to properly do that?

first Poiyomi there is toon, and so is the last one but it has S_ behind it

[lone grove]

annnnd its handled now,

My avatar is finally done, although i lost the sword and barrier, I'm sure i can find a work around tomorrow, I am pissed it took so long for this,

[waxen prism]

Usually best for 1 avatar per project

[flat pond]

I cant furnish my quest 2.
Stuck at where im suppossed to connect it with a device with a logged in account but nothing happens when attempting to connect to my phone or with pc linking cable
Any help?

[gusty flame]

I just connected mine to wifi

[tame willow]

hey do u guys have any tips to work with uncompressed size

even when i take stuff off, make the textures smaller etc etc

it still doesnt work sometimes to the point it would be bald or have no outfit :C

if yall know any ways to make this easier PLEASE LET ME KNOW

[forest ivy]

have you tried removing unnecessary blendshapes with optimizer tools?

[earnest osprey]

hey does anyone know which bones to delete on the novabeast and how to do it

[honest fern]

You delete bones in blender

[earnest osprey]

ah great

[lone oasis]

any way to make materials with transparent textures quest compatible yet?

[green oriole]

There has always been additive and multiply, they do allow you to make transparent things, just not cutout things.
And don't expect anything better for a long while, it isn't an arbitrary decision to not allow this, mobile phone GPUs (like all standalone headsets use) just don't handle transparency as well as PC hardware.

[lone oasis]

i see, thank you

[forest ivy]

Depends on what you don't want to have physbones. I would delete the cheek bones, tongue bones, toe bones, and (if necessary) mane bones. keep the tail and ears

[trim verge]

Remember to dissolve bones and not delete them! It will transfer the weights to the bones remaining.

[trim verge]

Here is some crazy Math.

The atlas Im using for my Pyramid Head Model is 931mb
The normal is 700mb
That should be the like 1.6gb in total, however.

Through the power of compression, downscaling and I think a bit of luck, the total Texture memory is only 4.5mb and
The model still has a ton of detail. This is using the Remakes model btw. I think I may have just gotten lucky, or perhaps Im missing something, but so far in game I haven't seen anyone encounter any issues. and it loads fine on my Android and Quest. What do you guys think, was I crazy to get everything down to just a single texture?

for anyone wondering, thats a 99.72% reduction in file size

[lone grove]

Update, got PCVR, so this problem is now solved temporarily due to pc freezing after awhile until i can find a good way to keep it cool,

[trim verge]

I there there is a way for you to keep your weapons on quest. I managed to do it with pyramid head.

[lone grove]

Oh, i know i could have kept the weapons

Im just not doing too much with it rn because my heads hurting from it all

[trim verge]

Gotcha

[hollow remnant]

So. I've spent 10 hours today trying to quest optify a pc only avatar. I got it down to 12.3 mbs. But If I delete anymore of the avi it will be nude, and if I compress anymore, it will be blurry. Is there anyone here who may be able to help me with this? I was trying to have a good handful of toggles, but I'm not being left with the option to. I have the Texture download size down to 7mbs with all the toggles I wanted on it. But it's 8mbs for the download size too much for quest.

I can pay for assistance

[gusty flame]

blendshapes take up lots of space, consider removing unused ones

[hollow remnant]

is that possible in unity? it doesn't seem to work for me. I'm not knowledged on blender at all, so I'm stuck at the moment

So far I've compressed textures, deleted unused animations and toggles that I didn't need, deleted all the parameters unused and vrc menu toggles. So everything there has gotten the avatar to 12.3 mbs. Still too much for quest sadly and that's after deleting toggles I did want

[gusty flame]

I'd do it in Blender but I guess the VRC Quest Tools package can probably? Also possibly VRC Fury.

[hollow remnant]

I couldn't find anything on VRC Quest Tools

I have no clue how to use Fury, but I could try

I'm not seeing anything to do with optimizing

[hollow remnant]

I opened blender. I'm going to lose my mind

[gilded steppe]

use d4rks optimizer, it can remove unused blendshapes and merge any possible meshes

[hollow remnant]

where do I find that?

[stark dome]

github iirc

[hollow remnant]

thank you

sadly I'm not seeing a difference with the optimizer

thank you though

correction, I do see a difference, but sadly it's not a large one

if anyone is willing to maybe hop in a call with me to help me. I could pay you a bit for your time. I just need to figure out the main problem. Though I'm sure it's a poly situation with the body of the model itself since I have another quest avatar with like 3 times the toggles and blendshapes and uploaded just fine to quest

I just have no knowledge of blender, so I'm stuck

or if I could just send what I have done to someone and they can finish it. I can pay if needed

[stark dome]

You could get scammed so better ask at #1204506421631393913

[hollow remnant]

thank you

[hollow remnant]

well I got down another 2mbs

but I need like 3 mbs more to go

[forest ivy]

Sounds like you could probably delete any triangles under the clothes that won't be seen and just make it so you can't take the clothes off

And you could decimate/dissolve edge loops if the model is too high poly

[livid flicker]

Imagine taking a picture and getting memory crashed from it. I'm not happy

[vernal badger]

Not surprising that quest optimization is dead 💀

but i think thats quest in general 😆

[long venture]

its more because theres channels called #avatar-optimization and #world-optimization so people tend to message in there instead

[slate cradle]

Is there an easy way to see the quest rank of your own avatars, without a quest, and without individually opening each project? I want to get a list of which ones need optimizing, but I have a lot.

[waxen prism]

You can check it on the vrchat website

[rose parrot]

if i wanna make an avi pc and quest compatible, do i need any software other than blender or unity?

[waxen prism]

You can do it within Unity alone, but upto a point

[cyan ether]

Does anyone know how to Lower mesh's?

[gusty flame]

mesh what, count? size?

[green drift]

tryna put my avi on quest and for some reason my pants are doing this? im not finding any bones responsible for it if thats a possibility

[tough warren]

That’s a blend shape issue I think. If you enable more blendshapes, does that shape grow bigger??

[green drift]

i forgot to update it yesterday it was cuz i deleted the bones for the pants strings cuz that worked on the pc end but i just "fixed" it by shoving them into the avatars torso and attatching it to my hip armature 💀

[tough warren]

Oh 😭

Yeah that would do it

[green drift]

cant hurt anybody if you cant see it

[lilac sequoia]

how do you uncompress

[gusty flame]

uncompress what?

[cyan wave]

Personally I like binging a good streaming show with snacks! 😆

what about you? @gusty flame

[minor raven]

-# i don't think he liked to be randomly pinged

[gusty flame]

Haha, no, but it's funny

[lilac sequoia]

lmfao i meant in unity when it comes to making an avi quest compatable

[minor raven]

"uncompress" would kind of do the opposite of that

[long venture]

this goes over the limits for each ranking, with quest you should realistically be aiming for medium at the worst for most categories: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/ id suggest showing your model's stats for more specific help but the upload process is the same as it is for PC just with harsher limits mainly

[lilac sequoia]

ok

[lilac sequoia]

this avi has nothing on and it still says stuff about the compress size

[gusty flame]

Textures are something. Mesh itself has a size too, especially with a lot of shape keys.

[slate cradle]

textures, animations, and mesh size are the biggest contributor.
if it's not your mesh or textures,
it's your animations

[green oriole]

Just in case, did you attempt reuploading between removing stuff?
Those value only update on build/attempted upload of avatar.

[lilac sequoia]

yeah

[lilac sequoia]

anyone in here ever converted a minase into questie?

[simple cliff]

Any suggestions for vr ready pcs

[gusty flame]

https://tupper.notion.site/The-Current-Best-PC-For-VRChat-4fc97bb740e345b7b64ee5d02a835b28

[gleaming ruin]

Yo guys, what is up with all of the avatars saying "security checks failed" none of the ones I had where laggy, I can't use my commission, and the game seems to get more baggy with each update.

[long venture]

if you think its an accidental flag you can make a ticket at :https://vrch.at/support

but your model may be outside the max perf limits on something

[gleaming ruin]

its not my model, i got it commissioned

[long venture]

is it not uploaded on your account?

also most commissioners offer the files of the model unless its an edit of a model they're mass selling usually

[viscid drum]

Whats up with my avatar showing security checks failed? its not my model, i just editted it. its not that its laggy, low poly model n all

[viscid drum]

i fixed it, all i had to do is reupload it lmao

[hybrid echo]

all textures down to 256 & compressed by 50%, 113k polys, 11 mats, 10 skin mesh renderers... still not enough to upload to quest..

[halcyon sail]

yeah, sometimes youll need to upload again. sometimes youll even get errors from the sdk and it will still upload successfully hahaha.

[halcyon sail]

what errors are you receiving? memory, compressed memory? imo, take a look at your physbones & transforms. see if that helps in anyway. i’ve had to strip a lot away sometimes to make it quest compatible.

[hybrid echo]

at first it was compressed memory, then after that it was uncompressed memory. not a single physbone or transform

I don't play on quest but when creating a quest version for my avatar and having to remove a whole bunch of things even though there is only one outfit with nothing special feels kinda crazy

I understand quest has limits but surely not that much?

[long venture]

you've gotta remember that quests are just mediocre phones strapped to your face and that vrchat is VERY performance heavy

check for unused blendshapes aswell when trying to get the size down since that's something people overlook alot on PC models and it takes up quite a bit of space depending on the number

theres also the option of using Thry's avatar performance tool to figure out what part of the model is making the avatar still be so big

[hybrid echo]

Unused blend shapes? I don’t understand how a blendshape could be unused, could you explain please?

And I’ll check out thry avatar performance tool. I’ve been needing something to help me with that sorta stuff

[humble canyon]

a unused blend shape is a blend shape that doesn't have any animation to activate it

[green oriole]

And since it doesn't have an animation activating it and changing it then there is no point to having it exist as a blendshape, you either remove it or bake it in, depending on if the blendshape is set to above 0 or not.

[hybrid echo]

gotcha, so I've got a bunch of those how can I optimise them?

[green oriole]

Easiest and least destructive, either d4rk's avatar optimizer or VRCFury's blendshape optimizer component.

[hybrid echo]

gotcha I'll go with vrc furys one. thanks

[green oriole]

Then the blendshapes are only removed when you upload, lets you still mess around with them and animate them at a later date.

[hybrid echo]

I was able to upload the quest version without having to remove anything... thank you so much!

[still otter]

Does anyone know why I keep getting an alert alarm when I have my PCVR cable connected to my Oculus3s.. It's fine for the first 15 mins or so and then i keep getting this repeated audible alarm over and over again. Any help? Thanks!

[green oriole]

Is it the same noise you get when you plug in the Quest to charge while it is on?

[still otter]

while its on.. i always start at 100% charge and it starts at like it doesn't lose much charge with it plugged in

[green oriole]

So probably the charging noise then.
It means the headset doesn't have a solid connection to the power source, be it that it that the usb port on the headset is dirty (got lint in it or something) or that the power source is simply unable to provide a good enough source of power.

If I use my power brick to power my Quest 2 then I'll hear that noise constantly, but if I use my power bank then it is fine.
I think cable length also has something to do with it, it is harder to provide a good amount of stable power over a long cable.

You can supposedly turn the noise off (assuming it still works) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOCAkoQWYHk.

[still otter]

ah it's not that noise

[green oriole]

There are at least two noises, one really annoying bing and a gentler one.

And you just sort of get one of them

Quest 2 has annoying bing, Quest Pro has the gentle sound, it is silly.

From what I have read you could have different sounds on the same model of headset.

[torpid bane]

What is the best texture format to compress to fit on quest

[green oriole]

ASTC
ASTC 12x12 being the most compressed one.

It lowers both uncompressed and compressed usage so it is way better to use than crunch compression too.

[torpid bane]

perfect ty

[urban mica]

Hello all! ✌🏻 Just puchased a quest 3s, all tips and tricks are welcome. Im familiar with sidequest stuff but dont really know what levels I should use w gpu/cpu, textures and what framerate I should pick to get allaround good performance and looks... Other tips? 🤔 Ive got a 20k mah additional battery but dont rly know how long its gonna last if i tweak with sidequest. If this is the wrong place for this feel free to send dm ✌🏻 tyyyy

(performance for vrchat in particular)

[opaque raven]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1334168809052962876

Can someone assist me with my Quest 3, and PC, I'm cable linked directly to my pc and hardwired to a Dedicated router, trying to play through VRDesktop so i can play both pc worlds and quest worlds so i can also see both types of avatars too.

[pliant forge]

okay so weird issue... I can remove all I want on this avatar, and compress everything to the a dot, but the build size doesn't change

deleted everything, still same size

sdk doesn't update

[green oriole]

That only updates when you build the avatar, ie try to upload or build and test.

If you tried doing that then check animations, any referenced materials are still included even if there is no place for them.

[native crystal]

there has to be a better way to get this to work 1, other than this 2. im so tired 😭

im taking a nap before i die inside

[long venture]

you could try automatic tools like VRCQuesttools or Polytool but taking it into blender and manually optimizing it is realistically your best bet

(also suggest using Thry's avatar performance tool to see what parts of the model are taking up the most space)

[native crystal]

👍

[waxen prism]

Majority of the time it is texture resolution.

[summer rover]

lmao like 1mb over

time to find a random texture to kill

or material more like

[long venture]

could always use Thry's avatar performance to check whats taking up the most space, im guessing the model has either a ton of toggles which could be seperated into multiple models or tons of unused blendshapes

[summer rover]

yea def does

ill go install that thanks for the rec

hm

lowered some res

we got there

now i sleep good night

[lunar onyx]

yeah, none of that needs to be rgba32 or 24

[real leaf]

You should probably use ASTC compression here, either ASTC 6x6 or 8x8 will do fine. (Lower = better quality but more memory usage).
Also you can probably up the resolution back on some of those textures to 1024 after switching to ASTC.

RGBA32 and RGB24 uses significantly more memory and it's likely why you had to lower the resolution.

[summer rover]

I’ll switch them over. Thanks

Would that be the case for pc also?

[real leaf]

Not ASTC no, for PC use BC5 for Normal Maps. BC7 for regular textures with alpha, (can also be used on textures without alpha).

DXT1 can be used to save on memory for textures without alpha, but DXT compression can be more noticeable especially on any textures with color gradients, BC7 in comparison has no notable issues with color gradients.
So DXT1 should really only be used on simpler textures, unless you're ok with the quality hit.

Crunched compression should generally be avoided. It's primarily what causes avatars to cause a stutter when they are loaded and only results in the download / compressed size being lowered slightly, it does not affect the uncompressed size or VRAM usage.

[summer rover]

hm the thry thing doesn't seem to be letting me change the compressor off of rgba32

on the pc one that is

nvm i just did it manually

[stoic epoch]

The avatar im working on wont show up on quest despite letting me upload to android and the validations looking like this

[nocturne silo]

can someone translate this?

[open sparrow]

One of your toggles is not functioning correctly. Or out of sync with its pc counter part . I got this the other day I removed it and put a fresh one on pc side at first it refused to correct so save close Unity reopen for it to recompile and sort it’s self out then press upload sorted issue for me .

[honest fern]

Thats just the error saying it failed to build
Not an actual error

[vagrant sparrow]

check settings on the quest app. by default it is set to not show anything below a poor rating. make sure it says very poor

[stoic epoch]

Ive already fixed it

The sdk wouldn't tell me that i was using a shader it doesnt allow even though its one of VRChats mobile shaders

[honest fern]

fuck off scammer

[dawn cobalt]

Hi, I´m trying to convert my avatar to quest and i know i can make some materials completely transparent/cutout like the blush so it doesn´t show during gestures, but this time it doesn´t seem to work.

[gusty flame]

you can't use transparent or cutout on quest

[sharp zinc]

can someone help me please? idk what to do

[long venture]

if you're swapping through the SDK then it might've bugged out, try swapping from the build settings File>Build Settings>and either install or swap to it iirc

[lunar onyx]

install the android unity module

[severe meadow]

Did something change as of late? I am uploading an avatar to android rn and it's letting me upload even though I have more than the allowed requirement.

My phys bone transform count is 63 (1 below the cap) but the components are 17 even though 8 should be the max, but it's not giving me that error that stops you from uploading

[honest fern]

are you sure you are even uploading to android?

[long venture]

i thought it just removes all the phybones if theres too many of them rather then preventing upload?

[severe meadow]

I am not r*****ed, ofc I am uploading to android.

And yeah, I tested it now, it's letting me see the model perfectly despite being over the 40 mb limit too though which is weird, but all the phys bones are inactive.

Weird that it lets me upload to begin with though

[honest fern]

what sdk are you even using

[severe meadow]

The latest one that got updated not long ago.
3.7.6

Unity 22.3.6f1

[gusty flame]

buggy unity, but it should work

[faint current]

this is really sad that this option do not work anymore=/

[proper garden]

Hey yall, I have a question about hand tracking with the Quest 3 on PCVR in VRChat. I have an HP Victus NVIDIA GeForce 4050 (8GB vram) with 16gb ram. When I go thru steamVR and activate hand tracking in VRC, it’s pretty glitchy, stuttering. Is that an issue with my VRAM? Or should I just beef up the RAM?

[ivory bough]

why are you asking that question in this channel?

This channel is for quest avatar optimization.

[honest fern]

This is quest optimization in general not specifically avatars

[proper garden]

thanks for your help

[drowsy otter]

Tried using VRCQuestTools to swap textures and now the eyes are white not black. how would i fix this?

[gusty flame]

depends on why they're white

[sweet karma]

Idk

[long venture]

either that part of the mesh has vertex colours or the way it's setup for PC material/shader wise isnt supported and you'd need to find a diff method

[forest ivy]

Looks to me like it's a glassy lens, so you'd need to delete that part of the mesh in blender. Or you could try using the multiply shader under VRC Mobile

[wide agate]

Been happening to me too lol. When physbones are over the limit it doesn't load them, but they still show in the info. Also it shows the wrong info for download size and uncompressed size in the SDK.

[bold oyster]

will they bring back avitar audios for quest?

there were some avis that were cool to listento when dancing

[waxen prism]

They won't because of limitation on Quest.

You can give a pc player the avi, and have them play the audio over their mic

[humble canyon]

that was never an official feature

[bold oyster]

they should tho

[waxen prism]

you can leave feedback in the canny

it took 17th months for very poor avatars to be usable on android mobile after the removal from the first 10 days of vrc mobile launch

it did happen once for a few days in 2022, but people had been crashing on Quest 2

[long venture]

until the actual headsets themselves become beefier (since a quest is like a shitty phone strapped to your head) its really not safely possible because of how unity handles audio

id imagine they still have issues with the current limits on quest because users dont optimize their content well enough

[lunar onyx]

they kicked out the quest 1s anyway

maybe it could come back slowly

[drowsy otter]

How would i go about making glowing parts on my avatar? I've seen it done on quest before but not sure how it was done

[gusty flame]

emission properties in your materials

[drowsy otter]

that's not on my material part, keep in mind i used VRCQuest Tools aswell

[gusty flame]

it may not be available in whatever shader you are using

[drowsy otter]

well, thanks anyways, just gonna take this as a sign to leave it alone

[long venture]

you could easily swap whatever shader your materials currently use to one that has emission support

theres several shaders iirc that do and are quest compatible, i havent worked with VRCQuesttools but i assume it just chooses a specific shader every time when it converts stuff rather then giving you the different available options (cause its meant as just a quick quest conversion not actual full quest support)

[dense flax]

Use standard lite as Android shader manually, its the shader used for emissions on quest avatars

[drowsy otter]

i'll check it out in a bit

[rugged cedar]

Is this the place I can ask for help if someone having trouble with quest?
Specifically logging on the game?
A friend of mine can't get on vrc bc they are stuck on the loading screen when they launch the game. They tried reinstalling and making sure both quest and vrchat are updated. Checked if wifi was the issue too

[long venture]

this is for optimization not like technical support, you could make a post in #1138891887374237706 (and have a look in https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1264591811456794724 if anything there can help with their issue) or have them make a ticket at https://vrch.at/support about it

though based off what you've said so far theres likely a thread made in user support already with a solution you'd just have to scroll through the posts (also maybe get your friend to post their issues themselves? having a middle man can get stuff confusing and take longer communication-wise for all parties involved)

[near fiber]

hi how can i decrease the size of my avatar

i tried to lower the textures but still the same

i deleted some stuff but still

[long venture]

use Thry's avatar performance tool and find out what's taking up the most space

[near fiber]

okay i'll try thank you

[near fiber]

how to use it

ok i saw a video about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nm7I-kCL6Y

@long venture

every thing is low

what should i do

i delet some stuff too

only 0.25 left

what should i do

more

[echo shore]

Hi! Did you purchase this model, the creator does support for issues like this

[near fiber]

yes

anyway i upload it ty guys

@long venture thank you for the tool

[echo shore]

[stoic epoch]

anyone have an answer to how many parent constraints and parent constraint sources quest is limited to?

[gusty flame]

all of that is on vrchat's docs site:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#mobile-limits

[stoic epoch]

i didnt see it

wait ive seen it now

thank you

vrc fury scripts wont make a quest avatar fail security checks will it?

[long venture]

thats a bit broad, it depends on what you're actually adding but as long as its stuff supported under the mobile limitations then it shouldnt throw security check fails

[glad dome]

Guys just a small question, when im playing vr chat on steamvr the game on my quest looks like it has downgraded resolution but when i look at the cast on the pc it looks amazing, any idea how to fix this?****

[dense flax]

Quest graphic is limited sadly so on pc cast Its normal to see it like that

The only thing you could do to improve graphics on vr Its to buy the last brand vr headset😔

[green oriole]

How are you connecting your Quest to your computer?

[potent wadi]

real quick
whats the max particle emitters an avatar can have before vrc starts hiding the first particles you placed?
aka: how many particles am i able to add before vrc starts breaking and deleting some of them

[pure leaf]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[pure leaf]

Per the documentation it states a Max of 2 Particle Systems and 200 Active particles but at that threshold, it's Poor.

[potent wadi]

200 active particles, hmmmm

[potent wadi]

And dw the avatar I’m making is super poor (due to most of his abillities)

Aslong as it doesn’t crash quest or pc and works that’s all I care about

💔 💔 💔 💔

[pure leaf]

They have safeguards for all that stuff now. People can set the limits in their settings now too.

[potent wadi]

W

[sterile pine]

How can I show that I am playing vrchat in the Discord in my profile?

[sacred crow]

are you on quest or pc?

[sterile pine]

@sacred crow quest

[paper haven]

i dont think you can on quest

[sacred crow]

you can try sideloading a Discord RPC/Rich Presence app

if not, just find a program to run on your pc and rename it in discords Game Activity tab to “VRChat” and run it whenever you play the game, then it’ll show that you’re technically playing a game called VRChat

[sterile pine]

I don't have a computer.

[sacred crow]

oh.

[sacred crow]

then yeah you’re kinda screwed unless you download a discord RPC app for sidequest

[sterile pine]

I'll do that.

[sacred crow]

🙂‍↕️

[cobalt hound]

Any recommendations for this stupid "low system memory" thing? My system memory isn't even half way full and even if clear all my cash,texture,and avi memory it still says I have low memory and either won't load avis or sends me to my home world it's so stupid

[gusty flame]

how much memory do you have?

[green oriole]

Memory is not storage, on Quest 3 you only have 8GB of memory (Which is RAM, not storage), on the Quest 2 you only have 6GB, VRChat can only use those amounts minus 2GB, because that's what the Quest OS eats up.
VRChat did make it worse recently, but most recent update should have fixed it or at least made it better.

Basically all you can do when that happens is hide avatars and be in smaller worlds, in terms of MB, generally a small world will have a small uncompressed size.

[humble canyon]

system memory refers to Ram there's nothing you can do about that

[honest fern]

Ram isnt storage

[cobalt hound]

Oh okay thank you, it's just super annoying when I'm trying to turn on someone's avi when they are talking to me and it always says "too many avatars" 🥲

[humble canyon]

Yeah there's not much you can do about that because the quest headsets basically has a very small amount of ram compared to PCS

[cobalt hound]

It didn't used to be like that though :(( a few months ago it was completely fine and then I updated and I can't see anyone's avi it's stupid with each update it just gets worse and worse for quest users and I don't have the money or space in my apartment to get a pc

[heady wing]

It wasn’t really fine because back then you’d still run out of RAM, just you’d just either be sent to your home world or outright crash the quest

It’s a lesser of two evils situation

[honest fern]

Would you rather crash the headset or have it disable avatars so you dont crash

[cobalt hound]

I didn't used to crash alot I would be careful with who I turned avis on but now I can't see avis AND I crash more than I used to

Like crashing was a rarity for me unless I had everyone avis turned on

On quest you have to manually turn on everyone's avi it's how its always been otherwise you just see an imposter or a fall back people just needed to not turn on everyone's avi and it would be smooth and fine but now I can't even see imposter's it's so stupid

[honest fern]

Well sorry if you dont have enough ram to show avatars

[cobalt hound]

Is there a way I can get more? Idek what ram is I'm not very techy I just wanted to know if there was a way to make my game run smoother without a pc that I can't afford

[honest fern]

Ram is a hardware limit

Quest 2 only has 6

[cobalt hound]

Is ther a way I can clear space so not alot of ram is being taken up?

[honest fern]

Smoother is using more optimized avatars yourself and going to more optimized worlds

[honest fern]

Ram is always being used and available

Its random access memory for a reason

[cobalt hound]

All I really go on in vr is games like murder 4 and stuff are those worlds not optimized enough?

[honest fern]

🤷‍♂️

[cobalt hound]

Okay :/

It's stupid that they changed it each update just gets worse and worse for quest

[honest fern]

Idk its perfectly fine for me

[sacred crow]

ik they’re not really listening to you, but you’re not alone in this. i’ve been on quest for 3 years and have never had the issues i’m having now. so i understand, in my experience, even in an world of 2 people in green rated avatars they still don’t show, and the game is constantly freaking out. so i get what you’re experiencing, and im also waiting for some kind of fix for the new issues

[cobalt hound]

Tysm I knew I wasn't the only one 🙏

[cobalt hound]

I kid you not I just got online and got sent to my homeworld... I was already in my homewold...

[sacred crow]

oh my god that’s happened to me before too! even when i had the vrchat home as my home world 😧

[waxen prism]

It does that when a friend changes avis

Usually for those on Quest 2, or 6GB Ram phones

It takes awhile longer with 8GB phones and Quest 3

[vale sandal]

I wasn't able to play for a month, today I got some time and wanted to try vrchat again, but my headset keeps crashing and won't let me access meta library inside my headset (I'm using quest 3 and link cable). Even after reinstalling meta app, factory resetting headset and updating all of my drivers, nothing seems to help.

[gusty flame]

probably a question for #1138891887374237706

this channel is about content creation

[vague dock]

Get better lol

[half kettle]

I have an unsupported shader alert

I have tried to convert all the materials to Quest, but it seems I'm missing one material slot
When I try to "select" the alert in the SDK, it just highlights the top-level of the avatar

How do I find the exact object that has the unsupported material?

[waxen prism]

Android/Quest avatars you need to select VRChat, Mobile, and select the appropriate shader. some of the shaders there are for worlds only like Alpha Blended

[half kettle]

I already converted most of my materials to a vrchat shader.

Check above

I need to find whichever object that still has a PC shader.

[sacred crow]

hey! there’s a really good tool for this that i use called “material replacer”
you put your gameobjects into it and it lets you replace the materials on it
but you can also use it to find where a certain material is, if you just click on it in the material replacer menu :)

[twin dirge]

I’m curious about something. If we open up the Quest 2 headset, can the RAM be upgraded on it? If yes, what’s the DDR number and what can I upgrade it to?

[humble canyon]

the ram is not upgradable as its soldered to the motherboard like this is the entirety of the Quest 2 motherboard

[twin dirge]

What about an external socket? Is that possible?

Mine is already off warranty so I want to do small upgrades if I can

[green oriole]

There is no external socket, there is no room for one as you can see and phones aren't built to be upgradable so even replacing the chip might not work, firmware and software are likely to have problems with it.

[twin dirge]

I see, thanks for the help

I’ll just stick with it until I get pcvr then

[green oriole]

The only upgrades you can do, aside from comfort and Quest Pro controllers, is getting a PC.

[timber cliff]

you can connect pro to the q2?

[gusty flame]

Yes

[green oriole]

The Quest Pro controllers work on all Quest headsets.
As long as you don't update your Quest headset early or often then they are generally a nice upgrade (Meta almost literally every update make the controllers worse at first, have to wait for hotfixes or yet another large update for them to fix the issues they put in), it is very freeing to not have to care about if your hands are tracked.

[timber cliff]

i might get some then, aparrently the quest pro controllers can track fine out of headsets camera view

[green oriole]

They have their own tracking cameras, if your headset can track its place in your room then so can they.

[gusty flame]

most meta updates make things worse

[timber cliff]

they added a neat feature for devs where you could share your screen on meta calls, then they removed it

[timber cliff]

oh damn, im definately getting some

[gusty flame]

I've been tempted but reports of their reliability have made me hesitate. Also you can't swap batteries and they can't be used while charging.

[timber cliff]

can use q2 controllers while they charge

[gusty flame]

yup, that's true

[green oriole]

Generally it is fine as long as you just don't update for the first few weeks and never use the PTC.
The battery life on the other hand, yeah annoyingly not swappable and tearing it apart to replace the battery is an ordeal, but they last pretty consistently for 8-10 hours.

And can't use while charging, even with the charging cable.

[gusty flame]

PTC?

[green oriole]

Public Test Channel

[gusty flame]

oh, of course 🙂

[green oriole]

"You want Quest updates that are even less stable?"

Yeah, using PTC is insane
Especially with a Quest Pro.

[gusty flame]

yeah no, I tried that to fix issues with my floor height at one point, ended up factory resetting

it pisses me off that despite how bad this is, there's still not an upgrade worth getting yet

[timber cliff]

i just reset my floor height every couple hours

[gusty flame]

I do it at the beginning of each session now, seems to stay these days

[timber cliff]

i tend to turn physical space features off since i move a lot and boundaries suck to set up

[gusty flame]

ah I kinda need one, got some stuff I don't want to bump into, and a staircase down

[timber cliff]

i just put pillows in front of things

[sacred crow]

and i thought me punching my TV at full force was bad

[fathom cypress]

Mid quest avatar creation game is tanking due to rules on top of rules for avatar creating on quest.

[gusty flame]

it's not like they've changed significantly in a while

[fathom cypress]

taking out legacy shaders for quest was just a bad move

they say its to fix performance however the performance is still dog ass

[tough warren]

Oh god please do not start this war back up again 😭

[sacred crow]

LMAOOO

[gusty flame]

what do you mean? It never ended 🙂

[solemn flint]

Dawg playing on a quest 2

[gentle kindle]

So looks like it doesn't matter how much you optimize your world or avatar because it will automatically show "low memory"

On Quest 2 its almost unplayable and its not like it was like a month ago. I can't see other's people avi and not even the impostors and all my friends just became blue polygons wih "too many avatars" above their heads

[long venture]

On some Q2s, its still a case of not everyone experiencing that issue just a select few from what ive seen

[vapid snow]

Is there any fix for it or?

[honest fern]

dont run out of ram

you only have around 4gbs of available ram to work with

[vapid snow]

Yeah, I read that somewhere. Do you know any way to free up ram? Or is there not a way

[humble canyon]

the RAM usage with entirely be dependent on what avatars and world you're loading so there's not really any user action available besides for not showing very poor avatars at all

[vapid snow]

Thing is, one day it was working, I refreshed my cashe and then this started. And it’s literally just me and my friend who’s in it. as well as, if I leave and re-join the world it then works

[vapid snow]

I’ve also factory reset my quest to see if that was an issue but nada

[gentle kindle]

I'm starting to believe the "too many avatars" is actually broken. I turned off everyone's avatar and the loading bar keeps glitching and never finishing loading and sometimes it looks it's not even trying to load

[waxen prism]

It happens when someone changes avatars too fast.

[uneven basalt]

It's actually deeper than that

The content is not being pushed, i can't see thumbnails.

Lemme switch to the beta version

[analog kernel]

yeah i feel like it might be tbh

i've been having the same issue

i'm not loading anyone's avatars at all

no matter how many times i clear cache, restart headset, go to small worlds with a small population, i still can't see anyone's avatars except my own

they all say "too many avatars"

and this didn't used to be the case

it's just frustrating that i have to manually force showing people's imposters 🤦

like it literally won't even load imposters and fallbacks

if anyone is wondering, the temporary fix is to select someone, click on them to open their profile in the big menu, scroll down and click "show avatar details" then select either the imposter or regular avatar (whichever you're trying to load) and wait for the 3D thumbnail to load. Then their avatar should load. If you would see an imposter due to performance blocking, load the imposter. If you have their avatar force shown, load the main avatar

this trick doesn't work with fallbacks though, your only option to see them is to force show the avatar and then force load it

if they're using a PC only avi with no imposter then you can either leave them as a blue diamond, cull their avatar with avatar culling settings to make them a gray diamond, or block their avatar to make them an error robot. Whatever your preference is lol

[peak flicker]

Bruh can we ever fix the low memory thing
Deadass delete everything and it just shows up for quest 2
Then lags me back to home world when low mem shows or begins not loading avis and just having a blue diamond

[analog berry]

SAME

[peak flicker]

Been like it for ages.
Sometimes is that bad ill join a world and can't even show myself in the mirror lol have to clear cache and then choose diff avi then place same avi back on again

It's actually just so bad

Due to the many upgrades it's made vrc unplayable on quest 2 pretty much

[analog berry]

Yeah, like half of my favourite worlds are just laggy messes now

[humble canyon]

https://www.uploadvr.com/meta-quest-developers-performance-issues-bugs-regressions/

Basically the VR headset maker is making things worse with bloating the OS

[gentle kindle]

I remember when it was just "fine" when the game wouldn't take you back to home world.

[analog berry]

Example: UA High, lags at about 5 people joining

And it’s an extremely simple world

[peak flicker]

I remember when it wouldn't come up with that bs sign and actually let you just get to know people in worlds

But nah can't anymore

[analog berry]

Same

[peak flicker]

Can't even play alone you'll have issues loading one world

[analog berry]

Pc vr sounds good right now….

[peak flicker]

Fr I never thought I'd say it

[analog berry]

Can someone like actually get people to fix it? I crashed like 5 times today trying to join UDON SABER when it NEVER CRASHED ME BEFORE

[gentle kindle]

And the ram limiter is annoying sometimes because sometimes avatars do stuffs that glitch the game but I remember that most of the time the game didn't crash and returned to normal in a few seconds

[analog berry]

I’m literally over here in an avatar that’s not even hard to handle (because it’s so basic that anyone could recreate it in an hour) and even that makes it struggle

[gentle kindle]

I know right
I remember when I had to look away from some avatars because the game started to glitch but today "oh the headset is getting 4gb ram for 0.1 seconds? send him back to home immediately!"

[gentle kindle]

The developers of Quest OS should make things more simple. I know a project can become complex but dude c'mon

[latent holly]

hello i think vrchat or something is capping my fps at 40, here's why:

When im alone in max graphic setting with 100% resolution on steamvr, in an heavy world like, Project aincrad. I get 80 fps constant
When i join a chess world lobby with 25 peoples, i get around 60 fps (with shield setting to max everything hidden)
But... When i join project aincrad, with 15 people im stable at 40, (with shield setting to max)
so then, i thought about lowering my resolution to 20% and lowering all graphic setting to low/disabled) and my fps stays at 40, and , that's why
i believe something is wrong, any help ?

My specs :
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core
RAM 32.0 GB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 (24 GB), AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics (486 MB)
Headset : oculus rift s

(also i disabled ASW , asynchronous spacewarp in debug tool , which was capping fps to 40, and that's why i can higher now)

[gusty flame]

FYI per the topic, this channel is for content optimization, you might mean #quest-general

[tropic forge]

im still using the quest 2 and it runs so bad 😭

[hardy socket]

I have a Intel 7 14700
Nvidia GeForce 4070
Ram 32GB and its runs bad too

I have a lot of crashes

[latent holly]

have you disabled spacewrap?

it increased my fps by a lot

i'd suggest to use msi afterburner

and

increase your resolution to max, on steamvr and vrchat

and then restart the game and lower your res to what you normally use

now i get 80 fps more constantly and lower

instead of 45 constant and lower

huge improvement

[hardy socket]

No its enable

[charred sentinel]

idk why but vrchat cant add a cutout option to help us make things more optimized because i could make a very basic plane and then do all my designing in my textures making things look higher resolution

like example: im making a Minecraft skin but it uses alpha but due to not having it for quest im just not making a very optimized skin quest compatible because i would have to model in every little square and that's stupid for something a texture could easily fix

like half of my issues making things quest optimized is the fact i dont have cutout

[green oriole]

Quest GPU architecture put simply, when encountering any kind of transparency or cutout, has to go and redo the rendering again. (If I remember the technicals correctly)
It is really not optimized to handle these kinds of things like a normal graphics card does.

Just making them into their own meshes is better.

[long venture]

instead of modeling in every square you could just do a rough cutout with the knife tool in blender if you're not mainly a quest user P:

[honest fern]

thats literally only 100 vertices or 28 squares

for the whiskers

[unkempt condor]

I heard today a new term called "tile based rendering" which seems to be something about how quest renders things, and why it can't do transparency very easily as compared to regular gpu's

[sonic flame]

whats the easiest way to have 2 shaders for your world? One for pc (Like mochie standard) and one for quest when it's platform is switched? Both supporting monoSH baking

[gusty flame]

you can use Mochie standard on quest. But otherwise, different scene?

[sonic flame]

wouldn't it run like dog? lol

[gusty flame]

Haven't tried yet, personally

[noble spire]

Someone have a problem with pass thru ?? Before update the passtheu works with the game, and now if i use pass thru the game get stop

[solemn yoke]

I have gotten completely stumped, while creating an avatar I was met with this problem. the vrchat SDK said that the avatar size was too big however I had this issue previously on another avi I did, so I started playing around, took the tutorial bot and put a descripter on it and it also said the exact same number 17.71 mb, this revealed that a bigger issue was at play and I began deleting and reinstalling unity and the SDK, this issue however still persisted. after this I knew no where to turn so I'm hoping that someone here can help me

[snow pendant]

its talking about the "last build" which measn the last time you tried to upload it, it shows that size. it wont reveal any changes afterwards, even if you swap avis. you'll have to try and build again to find out the effects of your changes

[severe meadow]

Hey, why isn't the toon shader outline shader available to quest?

Isn't it immensely more unoptimized to copy an entire mesh (like a hoodie), flip the normals and join it with the base hoodie and thus doubling the entire thing for each piece you might have to do this on?

[gusty flame]

iirc outline shaders do a grabpass, which is much worse

[green oriole]

You either have the shader duplicate the mesh or use depth, the latter isn't even avaliable on mobile (neither are grab passes), the former approach is doable, but think only marginally better than just duplicating the mesh.

[gusty flame]

oh true, I didn't think of the shader duplicating mesh too

[waxen prism]

In the Creator Companion, switch the base to 3.8.1

And the one next to it

[severe meadow]

Did they make it available to quest? Edit: I'm already on 3.8.1. The outline version is not available to quest.

[waxen prism]

oh. the outline itself is removed from the android side

[honest fern]

Outlines in all forms will be either entirely unable to be done or not optimized

[severe meadow]

Ahh so I just gotta keep doubling the mesh and flipping it then.

Such a pain when it would be so nice to have outline on the quest shader, cuz doubling something like a hoodie takes up a lot of space

[honest fern]

The only method that would actually work would still double the mesh

[royal sparrow]

SO I have been trying to figure out what causes lag issues between quest 2 and quest 3 individuals. My world is heavily optimized and quest 3 have no complaints but I occasionally hear quest 2 ppl are getting like 9 frames 😭 Is this a local issue with the 2 or is there something I can do to help them, like a quest 2 toggle that turns off specific things. Still not sure what those things would be, my guess is shaders?

[green oriole]

Sounds similar to an issue a friend had, their terrain shader was doing triplanar mapping which meant a lot of texture samplers in the shader and turns out the Q2 GPU falls over at a specific point if too many are used, I don't know the specific point, but any kind of mapping like that will probably be too much.

@royal sparrow

Friend's shader had 17 texture samplers (tex2d used in shader code)

So like, you could open up the shaders in a text editor and just ctrl+f and count all tex2d, assuming you aren't using a shader like poiyomi which removes parts of itself when being locked.

[green oriole]

Although then you should just need to check the locked shader

[royal sparrow]

thank you! I'm, not using many fancy shaders but I did wonder if that contributes to it

[green oriole]

All depends on how the shader was made, some features can be more expensive than expected and the shader coder could also just have made it unoptimized.

[next pagoda]

Hi

[inner eagle]

ADD ai estamtion to quest Plss

[digital violet]

Why when I join any map with my headset and everyone avatars still loading and in top in their avatar there is something like 1.0 GB / 1.0 GB something like that but no because for me it shows ( To Many Avatars) is there anything can fix that ?

[honest fern]

stop trying to show everyone's avatars
use more optimized avatars

[jovial cypress]

huh

[jovial cypress]

show less avatars. quests don't have enough ram to show a whole instances avatars at once

[inner eagle]

Like yk the estamtion fbt on pc the should add that to quest and you can pay for it maybe?

[covert sail]

how do i add booty bones

need my shit to jiggle when i walk🤣

[gusty flame]

blender

edit the armature, add bones, weight paint mesh to move with it

[covert sail]

um idk how to add bodes

bones*

[gusty flame]

I usually select a parent bone and 'e' to extrude a new one from that point. You can just 'a' to add one too if you want.

[random blade]

i don't want to bother, but does anyone know what i could do for my issue in #avatar-optimization

[waxen prism]

Go to the shader for the material, and select VRChat,then Mobile, and a compatible shader. It can be located the avatar body itself, an asset, or particle. Check thru the hierarchy.

[sacred crow]

youtube and blender discord server is your friend 💗

[glossy ice]

Does the number of skinned mesh renderers make a significant difference in performance? Debating adding a second outfit or keeping them as seperate avatars

For Quest specifically

[gusty flame]

Each one adds at least one draw call, so yeah, it does add performance problems

[sacred crow]

toggle off ?
still bad?

[gusty flame]

off won't be rendering, of course

iirc though more than 1-2 will kick you into poor on an android avatar

[sacred crow]

yes… true

it’s funny, performance use toggle off = vrchat say bad performance…

[gusty flame]

?

I'm not sure I understand that sentence

[sacred crow]

sorry 💦

doing a thing for better performance,
but vrchat says is more bad performance

[gusty flame]

Yes, more mesh renderers active is worse performance

(this is a very general statement, specific cases may disagree, test yourself, etc.)

[humble canyon]

VRchat basically makes its assumptions on performance from worst case scenario everything is on

[sacred crow]

yes

[warped sandal]

id try to keep it all on one mesh and use other tricks to toggle outfits
draw calls are very expensive!!

[jagged raven]

Idk the purpose of this channel but it seems right for my problem
Every time i try to join a world on my quest it just freezes and sometimes bricks my headset and sometimes i get in the world for 1 second and then reloads the world again and does it until the headset bricks itself

[jagged raven]

Idk is it vrc related issue or is it my headset that simply cant run vrc

[waxen prism]

If you haven't yet, update your headset, and game to the latest version. Also, reset your modem.

[jagged raven]

How do i reset it

[willow cedar]

Every time I login on VR chat on my PC it does not let me because it’s asking for an easy anticheat thing I deleted vrchat and added it back but it would not let me still this has been going on for about a month now and it still doesn’t work I even looked on YouTube for tutorials and it still doesn’t let me open the file as another thing. (Sorry if this doesn’t make sense)

[waxen prism]

Uninstall vrchat, and reinstall

Easy anti cheat will be added

Look up Easy Anti-Cheat with the same symbol, and install. Sometimes I have to update that way though rare.

[blazing zenith]

So you know the max mesh material for quest is 2, which im questioning if i can technically pass it without the avi getting taken down.

Cause i have a base with separate clothes that are vrcfury compatible and idk if i can upload it bc of max material and max mesh renderers

[loud ibex]

There’s a way but I don’t know how too I have an avatar that goes way over the limit

I can assure you there’s a way but I don’t know how too

[gusty flame]

there have been ways in the past, but those involve unofficial SDKs or hacking things, all of which is not allowed. The limits are the limits, work with them.

[blazing zenith]

Well thats also why im asking, for help- guidance etc.

[gusty flame]

here is not the place to find help to circumvent the rules.

But here you can find help to optimize your avatar so it fits within the limits

[sacred acorn]

i think maybe it's cause you're using wireless

link cables are usually always better (even though they're like $109 usd from oculus..)

[long venture]

highly suggest getting an off-brand cord from somewhere like amazon, they're really no different if you make sure to check what your buying before hand and far cheaper

[wispy torrent]

My quest is barely hanging on by a thread lol, the strap for it broke about two years ago and my ex tied it in a knot and has still been in that knot since😭 not to mention I lost the back covers for my controllers like a month after it actually arrived lol

[sacred acorn]

im saving up like 750 for a quest 3 and also quest pro controllers

and then i wanna get like 200 dollar fbt too 😭

[clever briar]

How much is quest 3?

[tawdry coyote]

Depends on whether you get a new or refurbished one, if you get a new one, it’s like 500/600 , a refurbished one is like 300/400, and if you get it through Amazon, you can do a payment plan using affirm, and for the new it’s about 33/34 dollars a month

[narrow hill]

Anyone else experiencing high temps in the quest 3

[unkempt condor]

In absence of bypassing the limits you can bake your models onto the same material via either manually doing so in blender or using perhaps cats plug-in if your blender version is old enough, UVPackmaster and SimpleBake are good plugins but they are paid, with the bake one really being the only one that saves you real repeat hours. Also I'm not familiar that the material limit for quest is 2? Are you talking about a specific performance ranking?

Your specs seem more than fine to me, I'm not sure it's hardware related, perhaps you may need to wonder about software causes? If it's consistent that might be something to do with memory dumping the RAM to your hard drive causing freezes due to excessive garbage collection but that would effect everyone and not just you, try cleaning up background processes via task manager?

[sick needle]

Hey sorry, should’ve deleted it lol. We figured it out, Steam overlay was causing some weird stutters. Works perfect after turning it off.

[unkempt condor]

Awesome you got it fixed!

[proven plank]

hi, i keep forgetting, im not getting conclusive answers online and i cant figure out where to look. can quest users not see very poor avatars at all even if they forcefully turn them on?

i felt like vrc changed it at one point but i cant recall

[honest fern]

you need to force enable them but there is a hard limit of if you run out of ram it wont load avatars entirely

[shell wadi]

bro i dont understand why do some avatar creators add too many physic bones for every single part

like (right breast, left breast, right butt, left butt, right earring, left earring* i mean instead of adding right and left into 1 physic bone why do they make a physic bone for everything

cryptiacurves's new tasque avi has fricking 4 physic bones only for butt

bottom and top

is it really necessary or i am wrong? or they just dont want their avatars to be made quest

[gentle kindle]

In theory you can make only one bone to right and left breast but I don't know the avi creator's intentions. It can be for the randomness of the jiggles movements or maybe he doesn't care to quest and optimization

[sleek wing]

They dont rly aim for quest or quest conversion if there isnt a separate one already, one bone each lets it be more fluid and accurate to whatever bodypart its on, with less hassle

Ideally you can get the same result with one bone for both but it takes alot longer which, yeah u can figure why

[shell wadi]

is there any way i can replace the armature of avi with the armature i edit in blender?

[gusty flame]

of course, just overwrite the .fbx file with whatever updates you want. Make sure your avatar is not unpacked in the scene.

[jolly mortar]

Can someone help me please I'm trying to build and test my avatar so I can see how to optimize it and it's being stupid sayings something about adb. Exe that I don't have it or whatever

[gusty flame]

"build and test" requires the android debug bridge and an android device. maybe you mean to just build and publish?

[jolly mortar]

No I mean build and test cus ik trying to optimize my model and they way a video is telling me to do it is that way

So I can see what I need to optimize

[gusty flame]

ok well then you need adb from the android dev stuff and an android device hooked up

I'd probably just test in Unity in play mode, or in the game.

[jolly mortar]

Okay then can you send me a easy way to optimize a model video wise ;-;

For quest like I have never optimize a model before

[gusty flame]

there's some stuff pinned, but I don't personally have any links for this, sorry

[jolly mortar]

Okay let me check thank you tho

[rancid jacinth]

So guys, pretty new here, why is it when I go somewhere like freeze tag everyone is in imposter avatars? Are all of them really just that poorly optimized?

[gusty flame]

probably, yep

[mortal socket]

That or they're on PC avatars and don't have a quest version uploaded

[spare falcon]

Or just reason to make more money, but I doubt if they do it just to charge more

[molten zealot]

ey yall! learned about te debug tool ansd in evry world, even my home, it has insne amounts of dropoed frames and caps me at 45

[narrow hill]

Uhh guys my quest 3's facial interface broke, should I get the silicone one or the standard one to replace it?

[deep vector]

.

[edgy sedge]

idk

[gusty flame]

silicone, the standard one is awful and itchy

[narrow hill]

someone said kiwi design

tbh looks solid

[gusty flame]

I like Kiwi's stuff in general, I use their head strap.
Though I just realized this isn't an optimization topic at all so I'll stop here 🙂

[narrow hill]

tho idk if the interface is broken or the quest three itself

[narrow hill]

huh

can we not stop here?

really need the help

[gusty flame]

#quest-general probably.

[narrow hill]

😭

alr

[devout wave]

how do you get that?

[molten zealot]

Quest debug tool

[devout wave]

It was kinda cool to see what caused my shaking problem in quest link

The cable I have is unofficial and not official with meta at all so I am planning on getting the official cable from meta

[jolly valve]

dude can someone help me out wit optimizing an avi for quest i cant get this lower than 11mb for the lfe of me

[devout wave]

Just compress the textures on the avi

thats what i do

[gusty flame]

generally worse for performance and quality

[cursive phoenix]

does anyone know the best settings for airlink ❤️ i bought a kiwi headstrap and didn't notice i had to choose between link and charging

[twin igloo]

you can also try one of these cables if you want to stick to a wired connection. it works fine for me.

https://www.amazon.com/Syntech-Charging-Compatible-Accessories-Extended/dp/B0DDBFZJZH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=K4Q0M72V3FX0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vFk32dQUzhJ9zUIjVyG98AdiCRBs8qYh-bT_NseL5XPFZKJIrcMakcMcak3AXoNwNN8Mce_Guqx1T4Hu5N3Z_OcMLyOyA76m1JTrA9eBirMdiiUeSSSPFTM-QjKh3lWQNFIXZ-uyCrWncYV83Q2QjQ.kiIFFW_R1oMYlrLsh-haWKmkZPltj08YnguhVQETVPg&dib_tag=se&keywords=Syntech%2Blinkcable%2Bwith%2Bcharging&qid=1756975664&sprefix=syntech%2Blinkcable%2Bwith%2Bchargin%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-3&th=1

[green oriole]

Next time remove the tracking part of the url, it is sooooo much shorter without it https://www.amazon.com/Syntech-Charging-Compatible-Accessories-Extended/dp/B0DDBFZJZH

[cursive phoenix]

i bought a kiwi link but ty! I don't mind using it, but sometimes i just wanna using steamvr or airlink

[gusty flame]

IMO none, airlink sucks. Use SteamLink or Virtual Desktop.

[cursive phoenix]

oh alr ty do you happen to know the best settings for steamvr?

the hand tracking for steamvr is pretty nice

[gusty flame]

not offhand and I'm not running Windows at the moment, but I'm sure there are lots of posts on the internet about this

[cursive phoenix]

oh alr ty though!!

[rose sierra]

Can someone tell me if ur kiwi head strap also takes like 3-5 hours to charge?

[gusty flame]

probably #quest-general

[pallid relic]

the longer youve had and used it the longer it takes to charger and the faster it runs out

[rose sierra]

Ive had it since December and it's been the same

[tall nebula]

So my toon standard avi is running like crap on my quest 2. I can be in a world where I otherwise get something like 30+ fps on my q2 and when I'm using this avi the headset will drop to roughly 10fps and just behave weirdly. I suppose it could be my headset, it's old and I've beat the crap out of it. For context I usually run pc, I'm just on quest standalone for avi testing. Maybe I've just overestimated what can be done on quest? The same basic avi(it's foxipaws sleepy echo avi, unchanged from the quest package for the most part) runs ok-ish with standard lite shaders.

Update-ish: I tried other avis that have quest compatible versions available(public ones, they have a ton of materials/meshes/toggles etc, more than are on my avi, so if perf is gonna be bad you'd think it would be something like that) and these avis on their quest versions seem to give me 30-40 fps in this particular world. I know there is some effect that is probably causing performance issues. I'd really rather not have to try going back and forth doing a bunch of toggling features on and off if this is some well known issue with toon standard. but if I have to do it the hard way I suppose I will.

[meager moth]

pleaase please help, im trying to do a simple quest convert, of a model i bought, however the numbers are absurd. 22mib equals 17.78 mb over the limit?? i dont get it.. this is my second quest convert this has happened to, can someone explain what im doing wrong?

[honest fern]

why is the blendshapes so dense

[meager moth]

I’m using blendshape optimizer

[terse frigate]

The total is 17.78mb, which is 7.78mb over the limit

Have you tried texture compression and reduced resolution? Mesh compression?

[meager moth]

His mesh is tiny, and his textures are too

I learned he had to have everything down to 256

[honest fern]

Must have had several textures

[meager moth]

Nope

Surprisingly there was 1 mib of texture memory

[jolly mortar]

Hello how do I lower the phybones transforms count on quest with out useing this phybones I'm useing VRfury I tried the other optimizer that does that for you but it doesn't work because I have VRfury components any idea how to do this?

[green oriole]

Depends on how many transforms we are talking

[jolly mortar]

560 something for 8 quest phybones -

I need it down to like 64-

I think

I think its mostly the hair -

I'm trying something to see f it fixes it

If*

[green oriole]

That's rough, you won't be fixing that.
Either go into blender and merge bones or remove physbone components and just deal with that part being static, because it is most likely one thing taking up all that.

[jolly mortar]

Yeah that's what I'm doing now merging the bones useing cats blender thing with opti thing -

[vital sorrel]

Hello

[jolly mortar]

okay i optimized the thing but its still over 64. is anything like phybones to keep the hair and other things moveing? with out actually adding physbones -_- becuse i have an avatar the barly has any phone bones and the hair moves like it has phybones

[gusty flame]

nope, physbones are the way you do that

[jolly mortar]

werid becuse it move with out that it says it has na animions on what ever that is

[gusty flame]

what?

[jolly mortar]

here let me send a screen shot it the hair moves in game

and the hair has no phy bones let me send you a screen shot of that

but i can swear it moves in game

[gusty flame]

physbone components don't have to be on the bone itself, they can be anywhere.

[jolly mortar]

thats the thing they have no phybones even when i click the full avatar

[terse frigate]

Use the ignore transform list in the physbone component settings, and use endpoints. Sometimes you can just have one or two bones with physics for each strand, and the hair will still move fine. It won't be all flowy like pc, but it won't be static either.

[honest fern]

theres definitely physbones somewhere

[plucky frost]

I don't understand why vrchat doesn't allow cutout in the materials

[green oriole]

Mobile GPUs, like the one on Quest, only achieve their great power efficiency (which is necessary for battery life and cooling capacity) because of their differing architecture from how GPUs are made on PC where efficiency is generally an after thought.

Put simply, the architects sacrificed stuff like efficient transparency and cutout to make normal (opaque) rendering more efficient, so Quest straight up doesn't handle it well.

And before you say it seems fine, it isn't fine when you can see several meshes with transparency/cutout at the same time overlapping, which would happen if cutout and transparency was allowed on Quest avatars, on worlds it is more fine because it is on the world creator to make sure that they never stack transparency or cutout, their level of control makes that possible.

[plucky frost]

Nope that makes sense

Thank you for the answer

[static terrace]

How come VRchat won't let me click on text boxes anymore?

[sterile wigeon]

Is there a way to stop quest from loading horizons and running it in the background

Heard that eats up performance

[stark dome]

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[split grove]

does anyone have any tips for optimizing the kitty cafe? alot of quest users are laggin in my world and im not sure how to optimize it

[ashen crest]

Not heard of that one before, what kinda batches/tris does it have in the editor?

Does it use any realtime lighting / expensive shaders?

[split grove]

it uses a mixture of some lights and baked lightmaps

[ashen crest]

For quest realtime lighting, the most you should be using is a single directional light with no shadows. The performance cost of any other lights, or even shadows on the directional light will cause signfiicant performance issues on mobile hardware

The first directional light is built into the base pass of your shaders (if they use the standard unity surface setup) so it incurs no additional cost to have in the scene. But that is if the shadows are off, shadows require the geometry of everything the light can see to be rendered again, once per light.

[sterile wigeon]

yo anyone know reccomended settings on virtual desktop for less lag without bad quality graphics? I have a quest 3 use vd and have a 9800x3d and rtx 4080

I wonderr if it's my internte