avatar-quest

[silent siren]

which gives you the error shader

[wooden abyss]

Would anyone have any advice on packing AO and metallic maps together? Mainly just what should go into what channel..

In the quest section because I’m using the quest standard lite shader

[silent siren]

Texture 2: Metallic (R), Occlusion (G), and Smoothness (A)

https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations/#shaders

[silent siren]

those are the channels you need

mildly surprised they did RGA instead of RGB -- that normally costs you more texture memory

but i'm not familiar with texture formats on Android

[wooden abyss]

Alrighty, greatly appreciated!!! ^.^

[mental cliff]

Any idea where this shader is being used..??

[cloud kraken]

There's more materials used on an avatar than just what you see on the base selection in unity. Depending on how big this avatar is, it might be easier to select "All materials" in the project area at the bottom left and just look for anything that is pink/purple and select it and change it to VRChat/mobile shaders, however i wouldn't personally recommend that until you've tried VRCQuestTools (and failed for some reason)

[mental cliff]

Ty tyyy! ❤️

[cloud kraken]

np, hope it helps.
here's the link for VRCquest tools, it will handle most to all of the quest conversion process for you
https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools?tab=readme-ov-file
There's a link to add it to VCC a page down

can I lock a toggle to on or off so that the quest version only shows what I've locked it to?

ie: don't want to be shirtless when I'm wearing a mesh/fishnet top on PC

[magic slate]

you use the same parameters list for both, but different animators, so yes, you can do whatever you want there, including simply ignoring a parameter

[opaque flume]

Any smart cookies here know a easy way to make an avi quest compatible? (fixing the size issues and stuff) i have uploaded a pc avi and i copied the blueprint id i just have to fix some size issues and stuff before it lets me upload it (i have only done pc avis and never quest and i am completely new to this lol)

[delicate quail]

it depends on the avatar
if it's really big you may need to delete some stuff
if it's quite small just sizing down the textures could be enough

and combining materials and meshes

[opaque flume]

i tried deleting stuff originally but the size was locked and would not decrease in size, i might try sizing down the textures and combining stuff but i have never done it so i may need some help with it lol

(i also looked on reddit too for this exact issue lol)

[delicate quail]

textures click on unity and you'll see texture max size in the inspector or something like that

lower it down

combning meshes, select them in blender Ctrl + J

combining materials, there is a blender add on for it
https://github.com/Grim-es/material-combiner-addon

[opaque flume]

thx, i will try all that

[delicate quail]

you will also need to keep your toggles in mind if you have any

[opaque flume]

nodnod

mind if i dm you more about going at converting it?

[delicate quail]

No

I mean

don't DM me

so I do mind

English confusing

[opaque flume]

Alrighty

[warped steeple]

is there a hard limit on how many skinned meshes you can have on an avatar for quest? I know it affects performance rank, but i dont care about that as long as I can upload

Cause so far I've gotten away with using more than 2 even though that seems to be the limit most people refer to

[magic slate]

limits are listed here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#mobile-limits

so there doesn't seem to be a hard limit on skinned mesh renderers.

[warped steeple]

quest optimization makes my head hurt

[magic slate]

yes 🙂

[opaque flume]

for real it does for me too

[warped steeple]

Quest is a double edged sword. On one hand I'm happy vr is more accessible, but on the other, I hate how weak the quests are

[opaque flume]

you know how to size down textures? lol

i cannot figure out how and i have unity open in front of me

[delicate quail]

click the texture, in the inspector there will be texture size you can pick which one you want

[opaque flume]

if i were to guess, in here right?

[delicate quail]

max size

the first one

[opaque flume]

omg

it worked hehe

just now i have this thing

[arctic slate]

unsync (or remove) some parameters from your list this'll make the toggles you unsync not work visually for people who load your avatar late or join the world after you though, you can only have up to 256 iirc

[opaque flume]

now if i am smart it's an issue preventing me to upload it right? (the agony i'm feeling lol)

bwaaa qwq

[opaque flume]

and to add to my agony it says i have 334/256 synced bits but only 69 are in my list so where tf did the other 200 go lol

[magic slate]

vrcfury-added packages?

[opaque flume]

i do not have vrcfury or anything like that loaded lol

i uploaded the pc version of this avi and now i am getting it to quest because they are both compat but for the quest side of things i am using no packages or anything (it's in a completely new project and is seperate)

[magic slate]

ah it was a guess

[opaque flume]

i love quest hehe

[opaque flume]

i give up trying to convert it (for now) time to take a break and play vrchat lmfao

[kindred zealot]

i have a station is the armature link breaking the seat and making it not work?

this is for quest btw

[steady idol]

The seat needs to be toggled on by default

Then given a buffer animation for atleast a couple frames before being disabled

After that it can be toggled on and off however you want

[kindred zealot]

can u make me a prefab for that rq?

/make one

[steady idol]

Thats not something you can make a prefab with

This is animation related

Just have the object the stations is on enabled by default when you upload

Then have a buffer animation aka an empty state that is the default state

That has a transition to the actual on an off toggle with exit time enabled

[kindred zealot]

u can technically considering you can export stuff like keyframes and anims u just have to make it a unity package

[steady idol]

Not going to do that especially when idk your hierarchy

[kindred zealot]

look at stuff like gogo loco

it has seats

[steady idol]

And?

[kindred zealot]

its a drag and drop prefab

[steady idol]

That has a whole prefab set up to work with any avatar since its all on the root

[kindred zealot]

fair

[steady idol]

Im not going to make a prefab just because you arent going to take what I explained how to do it and actually try to do it

[kindred zealot]

alr

[vernal crown]

Im curious if quest having access to parent constraints means they also have access to aim constraints does anyone know?

[robust whale]

quest has "access" to all constraints

wich doesn't mean you can use unity constraints

VRChat created their own constraints that you can use instead, which are more performant (so you should use them on PC) and also work on quest

[vernal crown]

Ok so an aim constraint will work but is more unoptimized

ahh i see

[robust whale]

?

who said it's unoptimized?

[vernal crown]

i didnt know vrchat made a constraint system for ALL constraints

neato

[vernal crown]

just implince is all

[robust whale]

implince?

do you mean i implied it? because i didn't

[vernal crown]

no no you didnt

i just assumed

[robust whale]

oh idk where you got that from

[vernal crown]

usually when someone says something along those lines i just take it as its more unoptimized too

[robust whale]

all constraints generally are the same for performance, especially because VRCConstraints are much more performant than Unity constraints

[robust whale]

something along what lines?

[vernal crown]

either way thanks for the help!

[robust whale]

i'm just confused what i said wrong to give you that idea 😭

what i was trying to say is that constraints are a default unity thing. They weren't very optimized so they weren't allowed on quest. VRChat created their own version of unity constraints that are way more optimized and now they are allowed on quest

so what i said was Unity constraints are unoptimized, VRCConstraints are performant

I wasn't talking about the different types of constraints (parent, aim, rotation, etc)

[vernal crown]

yea

no its okay i just misunderstood is all

dont fault yourself or anything

[hearty juniper]

My avatar is showing up as an error for some Quest users and I think it's because it's over the uncompressed limit but under the compressed limit?

I can't tell because all avatar Evaluators like Thry's Evaluator only show the pre non-destructive optimizer versions of the avatar which is obviously way over 40 mb.
What should I do?

pretty much all the blendshapes are deleted once it's uploaded

[silent siren]

VRAM usage has nothing to do with the uncompressed/compressed file size

I don't recall how to check the uncompressed size

i think the Build Report that gets written to the editor log includes that

[hearty juniper]

okay okay that's great to know thank you

how do I access the Build Report?

lucky I caught you so quickly, just came back from the nintendo switch 2 direct lol

[silent siren]

I usually just open the editor log and read it there

[silent siren]

I'm pretty sure there are tools to view it in the editor, though...

[hearty juniper]

what's the editor log

I swear I've looked everywhere

[silent siren]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.0/Documentation/Manual/log-files.html

you want the "Editor" log type

%LOCALAPPDATA%\Unity\Editor\Editor.log

if you paste that into the "Run" dialog, it'll open the log

or complain that it doesn't know how to open a .log file, maybe

I'd suggest restarting the editor so that you get a new log file

rather than digging through 250,000 lines of random garbage

you can ctrl-f for "Build report" after building the avatar

Note that the upload should fail completely if your uncompressed size is too big (or you should at least see a "security checks failed" error when you look at the avatar on the website)

you might not see it in-game since you're on PC

[hearty juniper]

Alright, thank you

And yeah my PC avatar, at the very least, is 12.33 mb compressed and 33.56 mb uncompressed, so I'd imagine I'm probably not going over the 40 mb limit for questies.

[hearty juniper]

My problem comes mostly in the form of Quest users often complaining that my avatar loaded into an error. It sometimes loads fine upon trying again and sometimes it seems to just work the first time. But the fact that my avatar quite often appears as an error for quest users is really weird to me. I can't think of anything that could be the issue.

Is this something you recognize? Simple Yes or No answer works just fine.

[silent siren]

Nope. I've had intermittent problems with people erroring out when loading my PC avatar, but that's very infrequent

As long as some people can load your quest avatar, the download/uncompressed sizes are okay

[hearty juniper]

Doesn't hurt to try- what was your issue? Was it the size?

[silent siren]

No idea!

I'm guessing it's more of a "them problem"

i.e. out of disk space

that was the issue at least once

[hearty juniper]

That sounds reasonable. I'll continue looking into it if too many people complain about the error then. Thank you for bothering answering all my questions lmao, I appreciate it a lot.

[silent siren]

no prob :p

[obtuse skiff]

Ok I’m new here I don’t know if this is the right place but I need help from someone to put gogo loco onto one of my avatars

[wooden sable]

does icon size affect anything?

[random comet]

it only effects miniscule amount of vram and assetbundle size

[magic slate]

the vrcfury prefab makes it really easy

[pastel storm]

i have zero clue what im doing

im trying to upload a werewolf made by chaotic_jay and add gogo loco to it. sadly i dont even know where to start or what i would dowload to make sure it works right

i got VCC and unity tho lol

[arctic slate]

there should be upload instructions that came with the model (there generally is if the upload process is any different the normal) if there isnt anything then just install VRCFury>drag the vrcfury gogo add-on onto your models hierarchy>upload

[delicate quail]

change your shaders

MatCap lit, standard lite or toon lit

remember about particles too

additive or multiply

[wanton scarab]

https://youtu.be/pZ5W6PIrdRk?si=sfzEqAr59_vvJqHQ Follow this tutorial

It’s really simple

[unreal depot]

for some reason a quest avi im working on wont allow the body mat to stick so the body is bright pink, is there any way i can fix this? its like everytime i put the body mat on it just removes it on its own

[magic slate]

how are you putting it on?

[unreal depot]

dragging the material onto the body,

but it doesnt even give me apreview of what it would like like if the material was added it just stays pink the entire time

[magic slate]

try dragging it into the slot in the Mesh Renderer component - sometimes it's hard to get the right object when doing it onto the model itself

[unreal depot]

i tried different materials and making a new mat too with the same texture and it just wont stick

okay,

another weird thing is if im not in play mode with gesture manager is it works just fine,

[magic slate]

that suggests you have an animation which is doing a material swap

[unreal depot]

ohhh, so if i get rid of the animation could it fix the problem?

[magic slate]

if it's actually swapping to a broken material, then yep

[unreal depot]

so i got rid of the toggle itself as well as the parameter, but its still not working

when i drag the mesh to the side and place it somewhere then add the mat it works... could it still be a toggle or parameter thing?>

[magic slate]

if the material is changing when you go into play mode then almost certainly there's an animation causing that

[true burrow]

https://www.deviantart.com/ffprecurespain/art/Ultra-Cure-Happy-PreCure-Render-698795216

[golden sparrow]

If I wanna animate turning the emission on and off with standard lite, how would I go about doing that?

Animating Material._Emission Color doesn't seem to work

[golden sparrow]

I figured out why this is. If the default value is RGBA(0, 0, 0, 255), then it wont work, but when in play mode and the toggle was active and editing the material to some other value worked. I then had the idea to try RGBA(2, 2, 2, 255) as the default value and everything worked just fine, so I'm guessing some shader specific code

[whole panther]

is there any component that will work on quest to make an avatar glow like this in worlds?
i saw some other quest compatible avatars that have this

[magic slate]

best you've got is emission, which wouldn't cause that effect on world surfaces

[shy bay]

Hey guys does anyone know if there is a good deku avatar for sale for quest????

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[shy bay]

I made a post and already looked

[magic slate]

Well that's the right method.

[shy bay]

Ok

Do u know of anyone tho

[magic slate]

FYI I'm not going to answer you in DM

[shy bay]

Ok

[robust whale]

this is done using lights, which are not officially supported on quest. It's possible to get them on quest using a workaround, which is how you've seen them, but it's VERY laggy for both PC and Quest users in most cases, so it's best not to add this unless you are only using the feature for friends/people who have all said it's okay

otherwise you will just be a laggy nuisance for most people

[fossil oar]

Does anyone know where I could find an avi with a dress similar to this?

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[azure scroll]

I´m having an issue with a few avatars for quest users where they won´t see some physbones move even when the physbones are on.
I have a bunch of different versions of my main avatars and each version doesn´t seem to have chest physbones working for quest users.
I tested it in Unity and everything looks fine, and when friends enable to see physbone visuals in game they see that there´s suppose to be physbones but they´re not moving

[delicate quail]

maybe you have too many phsybone components and they got deleted on upload?

[azure scroll]

I thought so too but it´s not a crazy amount, and on my newest version of my avatar there´s quite a few physbone components but it still only disables the chest?

[robust whale]

Well what is the amount? How many components and how many transforms?

[bitter granite]

so... when is "Alpha Blended" gonna work..?

[Vrchat->Mobile->Particles->AlphaBlended] :((

[delicate quail]

for worlds

for avatars use multiply or additive

alpha blended is a world only shader

[thorny widget]

Got any good femboy avatars

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[thorny widget]

Id?

@magic slate wdym

[magic slate]

I mean that is the right place to ask such questions

[thorny widget]

Ohh mb sorry

[vestal path]

I hate quest avatars, IVE COMPRESSED EVERY IMAGE ON THE AVATAR to 124 and its not enough “the avatar is over 50” AH

[delicate quail]

well, how many textures do you have? if it's a lot, I'm not surprised

[rugged bobcat]

I had a friend make an avatar with 120,000 tri’s and I think 8 256 quality texture and it’s still not compatible

I think it’s a new vrchat update that broke it

[vestal path]

So u think vrchat sdk for side quest is broken?

If so I believe it 100% cuz my avatar textures are so low it makes no sense at all

Even thry says my mom texture is low

[vestal path]

On the thry thingy It says 40 but on the sdk it says 53 so idk 😭

[magic slate]

the "thry thingy" reports VRAM usage, not upload size

so it may not be the same

[rugged bobcat]

Yes

[magic slate]

that seems pretty unlikely

[vestal path]

Ah :(

life would be simple if the sdk it self tells me WHATS the biggest texture there is on a avatar but nooo

I feel like the thry tool isn’t showing me everything

I don’t really have a lot of things on the avatar

[magic slate]

well don't forget that texture size is just the first thing that's easy to fix, it may be a mesh that's taking up too much space

[vestal path]

And I made sure to delete a lot of unnecessary textures and it’s still not enough

[vestal path]

The mesh part I’ve already fixed that, it’s just the texture is too much

It’s alright honestly I gave up on that avatar 💔

[soft pivot]

Is there any way to keep more than 8 physbones on a quest avi? I just want my skirt to flare the same way it can on PC

[magic slate]

you can't get around the hard limits

[night nexus]

Is there a way to see what an avatar looks like on quest while using pc? I don't have a question so I don't know what people can and can't see

[flint forge]

Visually yes, but logically no (parameters, because Quest and PC are often desynced unless the creator thought about it) it is a different story and then your only real option is either a friend on Quest/Android phone or you on an alt account on a Quest/Android phone with you on your main account.

For just seeing how an avatar looks on Quest you can just upload the same Quest version to PC.

But it should just look the same as it looks like in the Unity editor.

[night nexus]

oh ok i think i just forgot to upload the versions together then

[night nexus]

hey you seem like you know what you're doing, do people generally dm other people for problems like this? bro joined discord february of this year, copy pasted your comment with the (edited) included, and then unfriended me / blocked me after i asked for their vrchat account

[magic slate]

haha wow. Lots of scammers around here though, that sounds like one

[night nexus]

they really wanted a reference pic of my avatar

[flint forge]

Almost 100% a scammer bot.

No reason to keep DMs open for most servers imo

If you need help, then you ask in the public channels.

[night nexus]

interesting, i'm just curious what the scam was if they didn't want to join me in a vrchat world or help me further

if they wanted my avatar it's publically clonable anyways lol

[robust whale]

They're asking for a reference of the character you'd want for a commission. They phrase it weird, and it also doesn't matter if you want one or not, they're just trying to get you to think they're an avatar creator so you pay them money to make you an avi and then dip

[reef flicker]

Got a question for yall

If anyone can help create a avatar for me?

[delicate quail]

create for you? no, you'll get scammers here, go to VRC Traders #1204490664637890580
but if you need any help with optimization and stuff, feel free to ask specific questions

[reef flicker]

Oh thx

[lilac sluice]

Go to #1204490664637890580
And join vrc traders

[delicate quail]

i said that already :)

[lilac sluice]

Okay👌

[shrewd idol]

Help please help me 🥲

[golden sparrow]

Trying to make a custom milltina upload to Android, but every time, it fails at uncompressed size being too large. Check the world debugger and it says the Milltina base meshes are taking like 42MB even though the file size on disk is 15MB and I ensured that legacy blendshapes IS turned on and normals are set to import instead of calculate. Any reason why this may be? Milltina is also relatively low poly

[golden sparrow]

Even high mesh compression doesn't help

[golden sparrow]

Turns out it was blendshapes. Removing excess ones made it work fine

[magic slate]

blendshapes do take up a lot of space

[manic ore]

That's why I use vrcfurys blendshape optimizer
Works wonders

[wicked folio]

HUH

[magic slate]

Yeah that message is a bit misleading, the real list is here:
https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations/#shaders

[wicked folio]

reee, just when i thought i'd be able to easily make my particles quest compatible 😭

[steady idol]

additive or multiply

[onyx fossil]

Hello, an avatar that I bought is 0.08Mb above the limit of 10Mb for a quest avatar. I have the Windows version uploaded already, but the avatar for the quest version can't be uploaded yet due to this. Is there anything I can do to reduce the size without doing anything that will damage the avatar?

[delicate quail]

lower the texture size maybe?

[onyx fossil]

I'm afraid I don't know how to do that.

I started using VRC 2 days ago

[delicate quail]

in Unity

select texture, in the inspector locate the texture size, pick something lower than what it is currently

[frozen marsh]

https://youtu.be/LSiQuB9tP2Y

https://youtu.be/uUeoWKNO6Tw

[frozen marsh]

You can send people my videos btw lol

[delicate quail]

i don't have them copied on my clipboard

and if they struggle with written instructions, feel free to send the videos yourself

[frozen marsh]

Yeah but I am not here as much as you are

[wooden sable]

how do i install MonoSH?

[sage mesa]

MonoSH is a directional lighting method that Bakery lightmapper, a paid package, uses. It's something used for worlds when lightmapping

[compact fox]

how to add physbones to a tengen avatar? im remodeling one, and i cant figure out how to put physbgones on the jewelry or hair?

[magic slate]

if it has bones for those parts, put the physbone on those bones. if not, you'll need to rig it

[compact fox]

dang i dont know how to rig

[hollow nova]

I'm not sure of its my quest or the avatar but in unity the ears blend woth the gesture smoothly but in game it snaps to the position. On the one another person made for me the ears blend when a gesture is made

[flint pine]

anyone else have this issue with standard lite?

[magic slate]

that's probably an issue with your face normals, you'd want to reset those in blender

[compact fox]

i added the pc bones and deleted the quest ones to my model, but it doesnt move with the bones i added, only from where the quest ones were

[magic slate]

my statement still stands though, but I'll add that if you added bones and didn't weight paint, that seems like the problem

[compact fox]

hm??

[magic slate]

what part of that is unclear?

[compact fox]

everything

like, the body moves fine, but things like the chain, and jewels dont move even though i added automatic weights and joing the thingies

[magic slate]

I'm not really sure what it is you did, so I don't know how to help further.

[compact fox]

i deleted quest bones and added pc bones

[magic slate]

I'm really not sure what that means, what is a quest bone vs. a pc bone?

[compact fox]

in blender

pc bones have more bones, like jewelry bones so they move, and quest bones only have the things like the arms and legs,

less bones

[magic slate]

Okay I get what you're trying to do now. not sure I'd actually swap out bones though.

[delicate quail]

yeah

just merge weights from the additional bones you don't need on quest

into other bones

like a bracelet bone may be merged to an arm bone

[magic slate]

yeah

[delicate quail]

no need to redo the whole skeleton

[flint pine]

they look fine in blender

[magic slate]

weird, most of the time stuff looks like that it looks wonky in blender too. do you have a weird normal map?

[flint pine]

There are no maps applied to the shader in the unity screenshot

[jagged sequoia]

maybe that's some vertex colors that are on the model for some reason

[magic slate]

yeah that was my next guess

[flint pine]

Omg I think that's it

[jagged sequoia]

yeah so definitely remove those vertex colors and glad to be of help

[magic slate]

that's weird, never seen that, but vertex colors can be pretty useful

[flint pine]

just removed col and its fixed

[magic slate]

excellent

[jagged sequoia]

weirdly placed vertex colors showing up on the standard light Shader is a pretty common problem

[willow hound]

Can someone help me upload an avatar ?

[cunning ivy]

I think you'd have to pay money

And I also don't think many people take commissions

[willow hound]

No I mean like teach me

If someone can ofc

[cunning ivy]

You should probably ask in #avatar-help then

[willow hound]

Oh ok thanks

Altho is for quest and idk how unity works hahaha

[magic slate]

there are many many tutorial videos for this, such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ

[willow hound]

Works for quest too?

[magic slate]

yes, though once you understand this you may want to find a video specific to quests, there are a few things you'd have to do

also https://vcc.docs.vrchat.com/guides/getting-started

[willow hound]

Can you help me on dm or you're busy?

[magic slate]

I don't do that for free, and you really need to start with these tutorials anyway.

[willow hound]

Ooooh okok sorry

[magic slate]

feel free to ask specific questions here, but it's unlikely someone is going to hold your hand and walk you through a tutorial

[thorn nest]

i know this is probably obvious. But is there any way that it is possible to add something similar to a collider (etc. mesh colliders, sphere and box colliders) on quest? I want to make a building type for both platforms that uses this

[delicate quail]

like physbone colliders? You can have them, but there's a limit of how many

[thorn nest]

not physbones, more like, where a whole avatar cannot pass through something

similar to how worlds have walls, and environment that you cant pass through normally, but on quest

and on an avatar

[magic slate]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't really work, quest or not

[flint forge]

Colliders on avatars do not interact the same as colliders in worlds, colliders on avatars do not collide with other people, so you can't put up a wall and stop people from walking through it, the abuse potential is just too great to allow it.

[thorn nest]

thats fair

[flint forge]

Colliders on your own avatar don't even really collide with your avatar as far as I understand, avatar flying and such is glitch.

[mental jewel]

What’s the best way to make a metallic-looking avatar for Quest?

[kindred fractal]

Use matcap lit and put a metallic matcap in the second slot

Or you can use standard lite and turn metallic and smoothness all the way up on the material

[twin juniper]

anybody have a avatar of tobi otogiri from kara no kioku

hes the goat

either that or hitosume

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[twin juniper]

thanks

[twin juniper]

id be forever gratefull if somebody made a tobi otogiri avatar

[pure fiber]

which one generally looks better? matcap or standard? is there an image you have ready comparing the two side by side?

[kindred fractal]

If you want it to reflect the world, standard lite is good. I can show you if you want! (With some in-game photos)

Matcap lit is just good for matcaps but standard lite has more of a general reflection

The downside is you can only really do solid colors on it

If you want a cohesive metal look that is

[pure fiber]

if it’s not too inconvenient, please do

[kindred fractal]

No problem! I’m mainly quest, so I can just open the meta app

I’ve used both before so I def have photos

[pure fiber]

i am also mainly quest ! i understand

[kindred fractal]

So this one for example, I used mainly standard lite. On the metals, blood bag and also the outfit— different levels of metallic and smoothness

And since it reflects the world (this was during halloween) you can see green on me. It’s cool for sure

It can be inconvenient at times if you want a certain color though, so metals I’ve wanted to be grey have looked blue due to the sky in some worlds

These two both use matcap lit with a matcap slapped over it

[steady idol]

Ive used matcaps to make my reflections look cartoony and consistent

[kindred fractal]

For the first one it’s gold and the second its a gem design, so you can see more of a cohesiveness for their aestjetics

Yesss

If you want a realistic metallic look, standard lite— but more cartoony and perhaps easier to design with, matcap lit

[steady idol]

Just curious if I can cel shade ambient occlusion

[pure fiber]

very beautiful avatars!
i can see the benefits of using either one, i’ll take it into consideration

thank you! 😊

i plan to have a toggle to swap between the metals being silver and gold, do you think either of those will get overpowered by world lighting if i use standard?

[steady idol]

Both probably

[kindred fractal]

Uhh maybe! I use standard lite and have a metal swap

Its on one of my commercial works and looks decent

[pure fiber]

okay, thank you :)

i’ll do testing

[olive hill]

Trying to make a 5 year old avatar quest compatible. It looks fine in unity. But in VRChat all the clothing materials are pink. The body is fine. We've tried many different things. Different mobile shaders.

The weird thing is importing a new asset shows up fine. It is just the original clothing ones that don't work.

Anyone have an idea on how to fix?

[robust whale]

it may be an issue with animations

if you have any animations that have material swaps, they could swap to PC shaders

[versed trellis]

So what’s this channel for

[magic slate]

This channel is for the discussion of developing avatars for Quest.

you know, as the topic says.

[olive hill]

That wasn't it.

So if anyone ever wonders: I was told for some reason this avatar had 5 separate material files. So only one was getting changed and you had to dig thru 4 more or something.

[robust whale]

As a quest player/creator I am SO excited for this new shader!!!

[pure fiber]

what new shader?

[magic slate]

see in #announcements for the dev update

[pure fiber]

yep i just read it…

that’s great for us 😊

[magic slate]

it is

[delicate quail]

Ahhh I'm so happy!

[snow wind]

If a avatar says for pc only can people still see it that are using quest

[pure fiber]

no.

it’s… pc… only…

if they have a quest-compatible fallback/imposter

all they will see is the fallback/imposter

but if there is none, then no, you will just be a robot

[snow wind]

Is their a way to make it quest comptible

[pure fiber]

changing shaders to vrchat>mobile
reducing texture sizes and deleting unnecessary meshes to reduce file size

remove anything that is incompatible with quest

look at the vrchat documentation “performance ranks” for more guidance of what needs to removed

[snow wind]

Alr thx

[pure fiber]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/
here you go

i couldn’t get it at the time

[snow wind]

Thz

[feral skiff]

Is there a way to make a material not render at all on quest?

[pure fiber]

could you explain a little bit more?

do you mean not render as in make it completely transparent?

[feral skiff]

Yes

Ideally for performance it would just be completely discarded.
Not setting a material just renders magenta tho.
And neither transparent nor cutout materials work on quest.

[magic slate]

not with the available shaders

[pastel storm]

If you want the thing to not show just hide it with a shape key

Or if you don't want it to exist at all, just delete it

What exactly are you asking here?

If you just want something transparent but ghostly, maybe the particle multiply or particle addition shaders? I think those can be used in avatars, right?

[feral skiff]

In this particular instance, I don't want to manage a separate model for quest
It has blush that's transparent and looks awful without transparency.
I'd be fine with it just not showing up at all on quest, by just setting the material to something that wouldn't show up.

[pastel storm]

I get not wanting to manage a separate version for quest but somehow I feel this model would have a lot of materials, yeah?

Those aren't very performant is all

That said, there are two ways of doing this without managing a separate model

[pastel storm]

1: change the texture so it has a blush with the skin colour as a background; have the shader be the same as the body

2: change the blush so instead of a transparent background it has a white background; change the shader to particle multiply

If you make the texture completely white and change the shader to particle multiply, it will be completely transparent as well, but that'd be the same amount of work just to avoid having a blush that works well

[pastel storm]

Option 1 is if you want to reduce the amount of material slots; you clearly don't care for that, otherwise you'd go on blender and reduce them

Option 2 looks better and is compatible with what you want

....man i wish we had more blend modes than addition and multiply

[pure fiber]

the particle shaders are the closest thing we’ve got to “not showing up” in game

[robust whale]

You can't have it not render at all, but your second best options are to disable the mesh renderer or use the additive shader with a transparent texture, although if this is for performance reasons then this is not going to be the best option

If this is permanent it's much better to have a separate quest version

[oak garden]

does anyone know how to fix the issue of the quest avi not moving when I move on pc?
it gets trapped in one location
on spawn

which makes it seem like im invisible/cant hear me

ive legit removed everything from the quest avi

[steady idol]

avatars dont have control over stuff like that

[oak garden]

wdym

why can no one on quest see or hear me then

[steady idol]

🤷‍♂️

[bright depot]

why does this keep happening?

[delicate quail]

it's probably too big

[bright depot]

its the same for windows too lol

[dim cove]

if it fails on one platform, it fails for all platforms

[flint forge]

Make sure SDK is up to date and post the avis stats, one stat might be unreasonably large.

[snow wind]

good avatar creators on vrchat for avatar in rpimistic avatar world

[steady idol]

what

[pure fiber]

okay i’m not the only one who didn’t understand that

[magic slate]

nope

[grizzled otter]

Man we quest users never get the cool games

PC players are the favorite I swear

[oak garden]

this only happens when they have block poorly optimised avatars on

my friends dont experience it cause my avi is on

this bug is so weird bro surely someone has ran into it 😭

[oak garden]

something to do with strange quest imposter generation

[oak garden]

there are no issues with being frozen in place if they either have my avi on or I dont generate imposters

[bright depot]

Thank you, just saw this, I’ll work on it tomorrow

[oak garden]

ill gift vrc+ to whoever helps me fix this

[delicate quail]

xDd

[oak garden]

ive been aired like 6 times in a row

💔

[errant yew]

hey all, I posted a question under "avatar-help", but maybe it might be better suited to be here, anyone feeling helpful please do check it out: #avatar-help message

[arctic slate]

does it have any uneeded vertex colours on it at all?

[sharp notch]

Does anyone know if the upcoming shader for quest will support vertex paint from blender ?

[pure fiber]

that is such a good question ^^^

[pure fiber]

i would recommend that you ask that next time there is qna

[sharp notch]

yeah i will 100%
the current ones kinda work but they make it have a white blur on top.

[jagged sequoia]

I don't know for sure but most likely given all the rest of them do

[sharp notch]

yeah but the current ones multiply base color with the vertex so its somewhat unusable. Hopeing the new one won't

[pure fiber]

there are unity plugins that get rid of it,
it’s also very easy to remove in blender

[sharp notch]

i mean in blender everything is perfect, even my own shader in unity sees the colors correct

[green saddle]

So I don't know if this is something VRChat, VRCQuestTools (kuroto), Modular Avatar or VRCFury changed
But I don't recall this being an issue until recently
https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools/issues/70
Plus VRCFury mentioning non-Mobile shaders when trying to convert an avatar non-Destructively to Quest

I've been trying to use VRCQuestTools to help convert avatars from PC to Mobile and as of late it errors much more than it used to and I don't know what I can do aside from manually converting all the materials :/

[ivory marlin]

Does anyone know where I could get an avatar that looks like an armored warrior with a guitar?

Like the painkiller

[arctic slate]

look for an existing post in #1138520828556890214 or make your own

and specify that you're looking for a quest comaptible one

[ivory marlin]

Thanks

[plush sun]

So- for quest, you can do transparent materials, even though it shouldn't be compatible, you can do so with things like glasses by making the glass lenses see through. VRchat > partials > multiply. That is how I do so for quest compatible glasses.

[sage mesa]

I believe they just patched that a few minutes ago so it no longer works

[magic slate]

yep, we should expect a lot of complaints in here soon

[onyx marlin]

yea most particals for avatars are fucked up

[steady idol]

they patched bypasses

[onyx marlin]

yea people who use bloodborn cant alpha blend particals anymore

shi kinda sucks fr kinda just took the fun out of particals 😭🙏🙏

[steady idol]

particles arent the issue here

[onyx marlin]

im mean to some of us it kinda is because we no longer can practally add details into are particals so its took the fun out of particals

[vast halo]

meh, i use additive

[steady idol]

skill issue I guess if you cant figure out how to do things without having to break tos

[onyx marlin]

we know chat 😭

[onyx marlin]

im trying to find a way around rn

[steady idol]

shouldve done it in the first place

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[onyx marlin]

i mean i was allright normally before this shi update 😭🙏🙏🙏

[steady idol]

be glad your dumbass didnt get permanently banned for using modified sdks

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/shivering-dog-shiver-me-timbers-shiver-me-timbers-dog-gif-23060744

[onyx marlin]

true but its kinda shi now either way

both modded and normal sdk are both kinda shi for particals because you cant add good details to quest now

[vast halo]

they'll either fix it, or stay broke

[onyx marlin]

knowing vrchat they will be lazy and keep it broken

[vast halo]

prolly

[steady idol]

the sheer fact you had these bypasses was the broken part

all vrchat did was patch them out

[vast halo]

I didn't bypass nun

[steady idol]

if you didnt bypass you wouldnt have any issues

🤷‍♂️

[onyx marlin]

i did quest texures for alpha blended particals

but there fucked now

[vast halo]

i DON'T ave an issue, my avis are fine

[steady idol]

then no issue

[steady idol]

skill issue

[vast halo]

not for me anyway

[onyx marlin]

well then a skill issue for ALOT of avatar creators 😭🙏🙏

[magic slate]

yes

[steady idol]

definite skill issues

[onyx marlin]

wilding

vrchat just fucked up so much avatars 😭🙏

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-gif-23306740

[dim cove]

maybe those avatars shouldn't have used bypassed shaders to begin with :)

[steady idol]

which again would be a genuine skill issue if you need to modify the sdk just to make it "look good"

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[delicate quail]

I'm so happy now actually

[dim cove]

erhm actually

[onyx marlin]

yea but they made avatars better with particals so its kinda vrchats loss with cool avatars

[steady idol]

its not exclusively particles that got fixed

[dim cove]

ehh
"cool" avatars are not worth the lag 🤷🏻‍♂️

[slate narwhal]

Huh

[vast halo]

get better internet tbh

[onyx marlin]

quest particals details didnt lag people-

[muted compass]

That has nothing to do with internet speed lol

[dim cove]

i was about to say that

🤣

[steady idol]

its not exclusively particles

[vast halo]

never had a issue with it

[steady idol]

the ENTIRE bypass got patched

[onyx marlin]

yea but im talking about the particals nothing els-

[dim cove]

😐

[vast halo]

skill issue

[onyx marlin]

quest could handle why yall had to get rid of it 😔😔

[magic slate]

I'm sure you have empirical data to support this claim too? 🙂

[dim cove]

not true

[steady idol]

got data backing you up?

[slate narwhal]

The only way quest could not handle it is if there headset is bad

Also depends on the person who made it

They do the most partials for no reason

Also depends on how much people are around you how much avatars you have on too

[magic slate]

that's the issue

if you're alone in a simple world, sure.

[delicate quail]

"there headset is bad"
you, mean, normal? like a normal headset?

[onyx marlin]

bro ive been a quest user all of the time ive been on vrchat so abput 3-4 years and i dont use pc vr either and when i make my avatars i used the alpha blended particals all the time and people around me use alpha blended particals and i and my friends who use the same alpha blended particals have never crashed or lagg even in a fully public lobby

[onyx marlin]

normal quest 2 user can handle them

[delicate quail]

not true

speaking from experience

[onyx marlin]

i use a quest 2 and i have never lagged

[delicate quail]

I lag all the time because of avatars like that

[vast halo]

get better shit then lol

[delicate quail]

??????

excuse me?

give me money then

ugh

[steady idol]

the main issue of this argument is the fact you are entirely ignoring the fact the patch wasnt specifically for particles

[onyx marlin]

my quest 2 is about 3-4 years and ive never lagged

[vast halo]

earn it

[delicate quail]

I regret joining this conversation.

[magic slate]

and we're back to the start of the conversation 🙂

[delicate quail]

🙃

[dim cove]

😐

[steady idol]

even a brick wall is easier to explain shit to

[steady idol]

tbh just let the people continue to bitch and cry when the shit they pull has consequences

[dim cove]

😂 true

[vast halo]

jokes on you, i follow tos

i'm just trollin

[delicate quail]

xDDD

[onyx marlin]

I just think that they could of just kept alpha blended particals bc there was no problem with them

[steady idol]

Ive just been ignoring your dipshittery

[steady idol]

if there was no problems then you wouldve had it to begin with now wouldnt ya?

[vast halo]

meh

[onyx marlin]

The thing is there was no problem it wasn’t lagging anyone

[steady idol]

whos better off setting limits? the devs behind the game or some random person playing the game having his own whatever experience

the limits never have been a "you know what fuck these guys specifically remove their specific shader"

[onyx marlin]

It’s particals being able to be alpha blended for quest- something that the sdk only allows for pc players

[vast halo]

ha love this

[onyx marlin]

I just think that it’s dumb because quest can handle alpha blended particals

[onyx marlin]

Fr

[vast halo]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-kim-jihoon-kim-ji-hoon-ji-hoon-jihoon-gif-4253831587061577840

[steady idol]

your experience isnt the entire platform's experience

[onyx marlin]

True but I’m saying this as from my perspective and opinion I’m just saying from private and public lobby’s no alpha blended partical has crashed someone

[steady idol]

if it didnt crash anyone or cause issues then you would be allowed to use it

[dim cove]

lag can be unpleasant, weither it crashes you or not.

[onyx marlin]

Yea but there Normally is no lag at all

[steady idol]

again if it didnt cause issues then you would be allowed to use it

[onyx marlin]

Whatever man my point ain’t getting to y’all since y’all keep “lagging” that makes quest particals look better vrchat is just practically making its game dead at this point 😔😭🙏🙏

[slate narwhal]

Your complaining about particles lagging people and they get rid of them you still see people making crashers

[onyx marlin]

Taking the fun out for quest players 😭 🙏 🙏 🙏

[arctic slate]

it'll be added back eventually once the actual headset companies make their headsets beefier

vrchat seemingly aims to do mass support rather then just being runable/playable for certain versions of headsets so just wait a few years and you'll be back to having all your unnecessary particle shenanigans

[grizzled wraith]

Bruv I had been hit by crashers that absolutely destroy headsets, blinds you cus it’s so damn bright, insta crash ect

I used to be the crash tester of crashers for multiple people all I gotta say is gawd damn all that shit hurts the eyes

[magic slate]

kinda amazing such a little thing like this is going to make all quest players no longer want to play.

[wanton scarab]

Wait guys I’m confused, did they get rid of all particle shaders for quest??? I use the quest multiply and additive on a lot of my avatars and I’m scared they’re going to look awful now

[dim cove]

no, they fixed a bypass, you should be fine (i think)

[robust whale]

just double checked, additive and multiply still work

[wanton scarab]

Thank god

[dim cove]

phew

[hardy quail]

Hey! I've made a custom avatar using VRoid Studio and want to use it in VRChat for Quest and need help with figuring out Unity (never used it before) and optimizing the avatar so that I can use it on my Quest. Would anyine be ble to help me out?

[delicate quail]

#avatar-help message
this could help

[steady idol]

Additive and multiply are the only allowed particle shaders

[pure fiber]

thankfully 😭💦

[night estuary]

just a quick question anyone know why a material would delete itself when put through the sdk?

[magic slate]

what does "put through the SDK" mean?

[night estuary]

uploading the avatar

[magic slate]

hmmm and what does "delete itself" mean?

[night estuary]

as it says i uploaded a quest avatar and one of the materials just never makes it to vrchat

[magic slate]

oh ok, I was thinking "delete" meant deleting the file from disk

[night estuary]

i wouldn't be surprised if that would happen lol

[magic slate]

I would be very surprised

[cyan pagoda]

hello?

If I apply this method and upload my Quest model, will my PC model be replaced?

[delicate quail]

No? why would it?

you only have "Android" selected

if you selected Windows as well, the pc model would get replaced

[cyan pagoda]

ty

[cyan pagoda]

@delicate quailhad already uploaded the quest version, why on my phone cant see ....

already set the limit to 10MB and 40MB

...

[delicate quail]

was the upload successful?

[cyan pagoda]

yep

but on my phone still see fallback

thats too wired

[delicate quail]

Is it Very Poor? The performance rank

[cyan pagoda]

Yep

[delicate quail]

i believe you have it set to block very poor avatars

[cyan pagoda]

And I already open the phone's setting to show very poor

[cyan pagoda]

It can have quest ver is enough

Only can set poor and lower and very poor....

So that's mean vrchat for android only accept poor avatar？

[delicate quail]

I don't know. All I know is that you have it set to "Block Very Poor Avatars"

[cyan pagoda]

got it , android version only accept poor

[magic slate]

Yeah for Android you have to manually enable Very Poors individually

[cyan pagoda]

It can't

[magic slate]

oh sorry, I was thinking quest, not mobile

[cyan pagoda]

It says u can only obey the safety settings

[magic slate]

mobile specifically does not do Very Poor, as far as I've heard

[cyan pagoda]

Im trying to test the quest version, but I don't have quest

[magic slate]

not going to work if that's a Very Poor then

[cyan pagoda]

Yep

That's too ridiculous

[magic slate]

it's totally sane IMO

[cyan pagoda]

Nowadays android phone powerful than quest2

[magic slate]

but there's a lot more going on in the background too

[cyan pagoda]

But they don't need draw two screens

Even my s23u have more strong cpu than quest3

[flint forge]

@cyan pagoda android does support very poor, but only 4 at a time. #android-announcements message

[cyan pagoda]

...

but i cant...

[magic slate]

aha!

[flint forge]

No idea why it wouldn't be working for you unless the avi just straight up doesn't load in on Quest/Android at all.

It is definitely a case of needing to force show the avi though

[cyan pagoda]

Click player and click always show, then it says it will obey safety settings

Got them, may the account problem

I understand, i create new account, and when I use my own account, it shows to me

[rugged bobcat]

Does anybody know why my quest avatar that I made doesn’t have physbones? I made it today and it was directly converted from PC, and it shows physbones in gesture manager/when I upload, but not in game

[delicate quail]

if it has one then 8 components they will all be deleted

[rugged bobcat]

I wish that was specified </3

Thank you

[delicate quail]

it is written in the sdk next to the warning

[random comet]

Does the SDK not prevent upload when you do that?

[delicate quail]

No. It uploads, just deletes all of them.

[random comet]

SDK design is just all over the place

[torpid mural]

what format do people use for quest to size it best?

[magic slate]

Go to the VRC Traders discord to commission people, you'll get scammers here, probably DMing you right now.
Link is in #1204490664637890580

[pure fiber]

as quest 2 user i found this very funny

[sudden finch]

Thanks m8

[delicate quail]

either vertex colours or you need to cut your mesh to fit the texture

[exotic viper]

Actually, it does support! Just manually enable up to 4 Very Poor from other user, Poor and Medium are unlimited

[magic slate]

yes, I was corrected after I said that, I didn't realize you could see 4

[exotic viper]

But the problem is some people unable to use it and I'm one of them unfortunately #android-discussion message

Despite their test already done since February except iOS platform

[pure fiber]

would particle shaders work well for a fur trim on a coat? for quest

[sand willow]

How do I use my Tactsuit pro with any avatar bc I only found one avatar it works with in vrchat and it's really ugly.

[delicate quail]

if you're looking for avatars, go to #1138520828556890214

[raw relic]

I've lowered the textures to & compressed them to the lowest I could go, I even deleted all I could off the avi & I could only get it to 11.29 not quite 10.00MB

what else could I do?

[robust whale]

you don't need to post in every channel

[pure fiber]

youtube tutorials may help with adding support to an avatar

although i have no idea what Tactsuit pro is

[raw relic]

well I did that just so ppl can see that I need help ig

[magic slate]

We can see it, it's better that you post in one place so we don't end up replying to 3 different copies of the same question

[pastel storm]

How do you edit textures on already made materials? I already have texture files

[pure fiber]

edit the texture, then reimport it into unity and replace it in the material slot

[austere harbor]

i'm terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to be posting this. i'm attempting to upload an avatar for quest, and this error prevents me from doing so. any and all help is appreciated.

[magic slate]

Right place, but I'm not sure there's an answer better than "search more" unfortulately

[proven zealot]

Can some one help me with this error please . I only happens when I switch the build to Android. Im thinking of re installing everything because this uh really broken it happens when I start a new project to

[pure fiber]

this happened to me,
you need one of those tools that show all the parts of your model that are unoptimised

there are a few out there, but i use something called “material replacer”

you can use that to replace it, but also if you click each material it will take you to where it is

[ivory spear]

Can someone help me, I havent used this new SDK so I dont know what to do, everything is converted for quest but I cant select Android or IOS, it just says windows

cant select ios or android it just does not work

[delicate quail]

do you have android build support downloaded?

and ios

[ivory spear]

uh how do I download that-

I stopped avatar developing for a while

and I came back to all this new stuff

[ivory spear]

where do I download that?

[delicate quail]

build settings

aka unityhub

this just takes you there

[hoary cove]

I got a problem where my avatar appears a bright magenta to quest users even though I use VR chats mobile materials

[bitter wyvern]

does anyone here know a good Emperor Palpatine avatar? i know the one by S-P-A but i’m just wondering if there’s any other good ones.

[austere matrix]

Why did transparency get removed for quest??

[austere matrix]

Missing materials, make sure you set the correct materials

[delicate quail]

it was never supported. the only thing that got removed was a bypass method, that wasn't allowed in the first placr

[errant vine]

Hello, i am new with a quest 3 headset, do you know why often time I see my friend's avatar in low poly ?

[delicate quail]

They could be impostors. Did you unlock their avatars? You can only do that if they're quest compatible.

[errant vine]

There are only quest compatible avatars ? what do you mean by unlocking theirs ?

If I download their avatar (like, equipping it) I could see it ?

[delicate quail]

you need to click on the person and select the eye icon to unlock the avatar

if it's still low poly it means that it's not quest compatible and you're seeing the imposter of it

[errant vine]

okay thank you very much !

[pure fiber]

#1138520828556890214

[pure fiber]

to correct their word, they mean Show the avatar 🙇🏻‍♀️

[delicate quail]

oh

[hoary cove]

Do I have to do that in a specific way? So I can't just drag and drop them on the android model?

[austere matrix]

Just drag n drop

[alpine bolt]

And it will never will be, honestly.

[delicate quail]

yes

most likely

[alpine bolt]

I know that's tough, but that's the way it is...

But you know what, all avatars without transparency doesn't look bad

I don't care what everyone says.

[delicate quail]

ye

[alpine bolt]

Except for the textures problems that is, but ay I mean if the damage was hit a little, it's still usable!

[delicate quail]

plus it's fixable in blender if you try

[alpine bolt]

Yeah, So don't give up on your avatars!

Get even!

[hushed orbit]

why would they just do the update for quest users tho? pc users can still see and create the avatars that they apparently dont want on the game

[dim cove]

pc can handle more

a standalone vr is like a phone strapped to your face, it's not that strong

[flint forge]

Transparency isn't allowed on Quest specifically because Quest and PC hardware cannot be truly compared, Quest/mobile hardware is optimized for power efficiency, so the hardware designers removed parts, like what makes transparency easy to render, so Quest straight up can't handle transparency well, it can brute force it, but that is expensive and leads to lower fps.

[dim cove]

☝🏻
basically what i was trying to say

[hushed orbit]

doesn’t seem like that was a real issue over the last few years tho . the update was just random and doesn’t make much sense to me . I just want my cute avis back 😦

but it is what it is

[delicate quail]

it was

an issue i mean

but whatever

[flint forge]

VRChat's more "confusing" decisions about performance rankings generally stem from the perspective of, "what would happen if 40+ avatars used this at the same time?".

And transparency is something that gets significantly more expensive if it is stacked on Quest hardware, like if you can see something transparent, through something transparent and so on.

[dim cove]

people on quest keep saying my avatar textures are messed up, despite the quest version looking fine in unity? i'm so confused (no it doesn't have vertex colors)

i'm using the standard lite shader for quest btw

[alpine bolt]

Maybe Poiyomi was the culprit? Idk

[magic slate]

no poiyomi on quest

[alpine bolt]

No, I mean the unsupport shader?

Actually, that as well

I mean on quest

[steady idol]

are you using the actual vrchat sdk

[dim cove]

yes.

[steady idol]

do you have mat swaps

[dim cove]

nope

[steady idol]

you dont need to ping me every time

do you have an image of what it looks like in game

[dim cove]

unfortunately i do not, i'm on pc

i'm using sdk 3.7.5 (sorry i dont want to update, the new ui is horrible)
manually installed (i dont use creator companion, im old ok?)

[magic slate]

add a Canny report about that, or +1 an existing one, otherwise they won't know

[dim cove]

hmm...
im thinking it may have something to do with the material settings?
but i have metallic and smoothness both set to 0

[magic slate]

without seeing what is wrong, the best anyone else could say is to play around with it until it looks right

[dim cove]

kinda hard since it looks fine in unity but apparently in-game it looks different (im a pc player so i can't test the shading myself in-game)

[pure fiber]

i can take photos for you on quest

i’m quest only

[dim cove]

uhh sure if you got time i guess, my vrchat user is the same as on discord

[pure fiber]

when is ok?

[dim cove]

i'm on now

[pure fiber]

i’ve sent invite requests

@dim cove

@dim cove just ping me when you’re available :)

i’m not going to wait with nothing to do for now

[foggy cedar]

Question, why does X and Y orientation flip in quest? I have a blend tree animation that goes up and down on pc version. The same exact thing goes side to side instead on quest. It was fixed when I changed the animation for X to Y but still, it's annoying and confusing as to why it doesnt carry over.

context

pc on the left, quest on right

[dim cove]

update: it might have something to do with the normals? i got one of my friends to help me out by screenshotting the avatar (my friend is on quest)

[pure fiber]

just so you know, i sent you multiple invites and also requests, so i didn’t not show up or anything…

[dim cove]

i'm sorry about that
i had fallen asleep

[pure fiber]

it was 2 minutes after you accepted my friend request, what… 😭

[astral scroll]

do you have gesture manager?

[dim cove]

no i do not, unfortunately

[astral scroll]

you should get that

see if the problem pops up

[dim cove]

not very helpful... i am not on quest, and am not able to test things on quest
and it looks fine in unity

[astral scroll]

um

dude it shows you what it would look like in game

[astral scroll]

What do you think is the max amount of triangles is before quest starts lagging? Ik it says the recommended amount, but past that, what do we think it is.

[dim cove]

well, i would give it a try
is it able to be installed manually? as in, not using creator companion?

[astral scroll]

uhh

I think you might be able to still do that

but i would highly recommend creator companion

[dim cove]

not happening, creator companion is buggy

[astral scroll]

hmm

[magic slate]

it is. use alcom?

[dim cove]

alr thx, i'll give it a shot

[astral scroll]

https://github.com/BlackStartx/VRC-Gesture-Manager i think this is it

correct me if im wrong

[dim cove]

eh
i'm planning on using unity in the future for making my own games eventually so i don't want to forget how to use unity without vcc lol

[astral scroll]

might have to go to older versions of gesture manager

🤷🏻‍♂️

[dim cove]

maybe, hopefully one of them work for 3.7.5

[astral scroll]

least you can do is try

[dim cove]

yep

otherwise ima just have to mess around with the material and normal map to see if that fixes anything

it is strange though because i've never had these issues before
i've previously uploaded 2 avatars using that same version and they work fine

[astral scroll]

did you make the avatar yourself

[dim cove]

yes

the model is from a game tho

[astral scroll]

this is a really stupid question but it happens, did you check in blender to make sure all of the faces are facing outwards?

[dim cove]

yes

[astral scroll]

thats weird

[dim cove]

indeed

[astral scroll]

mind screenshotting the material?

[dim cove]

yeah might take a moment tho, gotta start up the project, don't have it open atm

[astral scroll]

take your time

[dim cove]

the material settings, plus how it looks in the scene (still haven't installed gesture manager yet)

[astral scroll]

yeah thats weird

[dim cove]

sorry just realized it cut off

there

ima try something, i'll see if the "bumped diffuse" shader would be better

[dim cove]

update: it didn't help
it seems like vrchat broke the normal map

[astral scroll]

lord i hope it didnt break all of my avatars

[dim cove]

most likely not, it seems to be something for this specific avatar

i might have found the problem...
for some reason it turns the normal map blue?...
the wrong shade of blue

it only does this whenever i switch the build for quest

[dim cove]

fixed! for people who have the same issue, try messing around with the "format" setting, mine was set to auto, setting it to rgba 32-bit fixed it for me

although be warned, this will increase the texture size drastically

let this be a temporary fix until a better one can be found

[magic slate]

people keep saying to ideally use RG Compressed BC5 for normals... but that doesn't work on Android. I forget which the right one is, but you definitely don't need RGBA

[dim cove]

alr, i'll see if any of the other options help

i just picked the first one i saw and since it worked i just ran with it 😅

[flint forge]

ASTC is pretty much the only format you need to care about on android, it does a great job.

Might want to stick to the highest quality ASTC 4x4 version though if your normal map has a lot of fine details.

[magic slate]

Ah thank you, been a while since I did anything Android

[flint forge]

As for why ASTC is good, here is a fun quote

-# https://themaister.net/blog/2021/08/29/compressed-gpu-texture-formats-a-review-and-compute-shader-decoders-part-3-3/

[dim cove]

weird, there's only "rgba 32 bit, rgba float, rgba half" to choose from

[dull valve]

question rq

if anyone available to answer it

[delicate quail]

just ask

[dull valve]

gotcha so im used to lowering the mb for a avi by lowering the textures but uh they going up w the lower textures and its a completely new project

started off at 10.32 mb but lowered all the textures and it went up to 10.59 mb i think it was

so better way to lower the mb since textures aint working?

[magic slate]

how did you lower them though?

[dull valve]

from 2k to 1k to even 512

went through all the textures one by one

[vocal hull]

Hello does anyone know how to make a vroid model quest compatible?

[dull valve]

still havent figured out

[magic slate]

maybe you need to reduce the size of something else, like the mesh

[dull valve]

will give a shot thank ya

[wanton scarab]

Vroid is typically known for being a pain to look good on quest. If you mean to edit it to make it look good on quest you’ll need to use blender

[delicate quail]

you'll need to use a lot of blender, here: #avatar-help message

[prisma crow]

What are some Quest optimization methods that I'm unaware of? The one's I normally do are:
Unchecking "Generate mipmaps" on textures
Turning down the texture resolutions (with or without crunch compression)
Making menu icons the smallest and lowest quality they can
Using the Blendshape Optimizer VRCFury component
Deleting unimportant meshes on the Quest version
Deleting physbones

[magic slate]

crunch sucks

[prisma crow]

How so? I've heard mixed things about it

[magic slate]

it takes up CPU time and generally makes the quality worse

[prisma crow]

Oh I see

I only really use crunch compressiom on small things on the avatar, or things people won't pay much attention to, like small accessories

[frozen marsh]

You can also atlas stuff to make less material slots

[ashen oracle]

The worst part is that you lose quality while still taking up the same amount of vram. Crunch compression only reduces the download size, not the unpacked in-memory size. Download size is usually not a problem so that doesn't help much. If you reduce resolution or use another optimization method, you at least save on things that actually matter

[frozen marsh]

Also changing the compression on the ASTC block helps, I talk about it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSiQuB9tP2Y&feature=youtu.be

[prisma crow]

That's true, but in this case I'm working with a Booth model, so I don't think I can take it into Blender to do that

[magic slate]

of course you can

[delicate quail]

you can

[pure fiber]

i love this video and come back to it so much… 💦💦

[robust whale]

Mipmaps can be really important for high-res textures, but at the same time those end up taking the most amount of space. Thankfully mipmap streaming helps with this, but I'm thinking I might disabled generating mipmaps on my avis with really low res textures (like one 128 or 256 texture for the whole avi) since when the textures get stuck on a higher mip level it looks like dogshit and they never took up much space to begin with

[slate gazelle]

Im still having issues with quest side of the p2u avatar i have its dolly from taffybat

Playmode it keeps deleting the materials of the hair but it looks normal without play mode and i tried to contact the creator but they never responded

So i feel stuck and unsure what to do

[magic slate]

probably a material swap animation

[slate gazelle]

How do i fix that?

[magic slate]

find what's doing it first, check your FX animator

[nova sphinx]

I an making a material for my avatar, and I want to use a matcap from cel shading. However, the vrchat mobile matcap lit shader only seems to be able to darken the texture with the matcap, when I also want to have highlights. Any way to get better cel shading for a quest version of my avatar?

[delicate quail]

emissions?

[frozen marsh]

Get the open beta and use Toon Standard

[nova sphinx]

Holy hell! When was it implimented?? This shader is basically poiyomi for mobile

[frozen marsh]

https://youtu.be/BRazd85RjgA

Like yesterday

Actually 2 days ago sorry but yeah

[nova sphinx]

amazing feature

[frozen marsh]

Were you able to make the cellshading using one of the Toon 4 Band shading options for example ?

[nova sphinx]

I used a custom gradient, and it looks almost exactly like poiyomi shaders I use for my pc version. Still can't figure out how to make the specular look the way I want it to tho

[frozen marsh]

Cool. In the video I only did latex-like material and normal cloth, not sure what you wanna do

[nova sphinx]

the look I'm going for vs the look I'm getting with hte new shader

as oyu can see, the shadows are near identical, but the specular, can't figure it out

[frozen marsh]

Am I blind or does it look the same

[delicate quail]

it looks the same to me too

[nova sphinx]

there's specular highlights on the left picture, look at the hair

[delicate quail]

ah this small spot

[frozen marsh]

Do you use a metallic map ?

[nova sphinx]

I do in the poiyomi shader, but it looks very diffrent in the toon standard

[frozen marsh]

In Toon standard it might only take the red channel

I am not sure, but it says (R) next to it

I am testing making a texture like this now, to see if it works

[nova sphinx]

it's not that, the map is fine. it's just the way that metalic looks in this shader is cole to metal rather than specular highlights

this tiny little spot is all I get if I set gloss to 1, I use a gloss map to isolate the areas I want to have gloss

adjusting the three values below affects the whole avatar, and doesn't achieve the same highlight effect

[frozen marsh]

For example my metallics map has stuff on R but also on G

[young zinc]

because it is recommended to only have one material, does it effectively not make texture swaps for visemes possible for quest?

[brisk ibex]

well, you can use material swaps to change the texture which just replaces the material in real time I think, and this means you only ever have 1 material when swapping

[magic slate]

the relevant part is material slots

[delicate quail]

yeah

[brisk ibex]

my fallback avatar has like 20 material swaps, they don’t impact performance, just keep the materials slots on 1

[young zinc]

so then id need to make a total of [number of eye expressions] x [number of mouth expressions] materials for the entire body to encompass every possible combination of facial expressions?

[delicate quail]

probably yeah

[brisk ibex]

yeah, if you want to make it a fallback

[young zinc]

the animator would look insane lmao

[magic slate]

sounds like a lot of space taken up by textures

[brisk ibex]

I don’t think they take up any texture space because the materials don’t exist until added

[young zinc]

id need 72 materials in total if i were to do that

[brisk ibex]

do you just want it to be quest compatible or to be a fallback?

[young zinc]

quest compatible

[brisk ibex]

then you could just use two I think

[magic slate]

textures get packed up with the avatar and increase download size

[young zinc]

so people in quest can actually see my custom avi and such

[brisk ibex]

Yeah, but that only applies to the material that is currently applied to the avatar when uploaded

[delicate quail]

is there a quest shader that can do texture offset? 🤔

[brisk ibex]

materials used for swaps do not exist during upload

[magic slate]

... no?

[young zinc]

its not a big model by any means, low poly even, which is why i use 3 materials, one for the body, one that covers the eyes and changes them based on gestures, and one that covers the mouth and changes it based on viseme index

[magic slate]

All textures used by material swaps are of course included in the avatar package

[young zinc]

making for a pretty expressive avi in general

[brisk ibex]

well, i think this is the case because my avatar has like 20 material swaps but it is still at 0.6 megabytes of texture space

[magic slate]

what is "texture space" here?

[brisk ibex]

the performance statistic

[delicate quail]

Texture Memory?

[magic slate]

I'm not aware of this particular statistic

[brisk ibex]

yeah that one

I forgot the name

[magic slate]

okay memory is not download size

[brisk ibex]

maybe it does increase the uncompressed size further than normal?

[young zinc]

guess i wont have a quest compatible avi then hmm

[brisk ibex]

oh right, I think you can just use two material slots, one for the mouth and another for the rest of the body

it is just recommended you only use one, but I think you can use more

[magic slate]

this is perfectly normal - all textures used will be in the avatar package and thus increase the (download, compressed and uncompressed) size of that

[delicate quail]

you can use more, dw

[brisk ibex]

does make sense

my avatar does have a lot of materials each with different textures, so the uncompressed size is like 27MB,while the compressed size is like 5MB

[young zinc]

so ill be fine?

[delicate quail]

yea

2 material slots should do fine

[magic slate]

<me> wow, that's nothing! * looks at channel name. <me> oh right, quest.

[brisk ibex]

2 material slots is pretty well optimised by vrchat standards, the other day I saw an avatar with… a lot more

[brisk ibex]

I use the same model for both pc and quest, so it is actually quite feature packed

I think I have an addiction to fallback avatars

[delicate quail]

you could combine the body with the eyes and have 2 material slots only

[manic moth]

I can't seem to get android build and test working, I have ADB in my PATH and I can invoke adb from a terminal, but the SDK still says it cant find it for some reason. Anyone know what might cause that?

[summer harness]

Yoo- So I'm having a problem with Quest Physbones recently not wanting to show up at all for quest. It shows in Unity but not in game. Is there way to fix it???

[delicate quail]

Is there more components that allowed? they'll all get deleted if that's the case

[summer harness]

No- Not ya all, its the amount and some less.

[deft warren]

Hello!! I am wanting to edit an existing avatar that is free to the public but I am new to everything with avatar creation. What I'm trying to do is change the body shape and have the clothing fit to what I change the body to be.

Dms are open if there is any more questions!!

[native elbow]

Who can make me a free VRChat avatar for quest

[steady idol]

no one

[native elbow]

Ok

[deft warren]

If you go to the VRCHub discord they have a category for free requests but keep in mind it may not be very top tier with someone you would pay for.

[native elbow]

Ok

[pure fiber]

try vrctraders server

people will scam you here

[magic slate]

but remember that people don't often like to work for free

[weak basin]

I joined this server just to say that the new quest shader in the sdk beta 3 is amazing and am very thankful we got something so nice

[brisk ibex]

I haven’t used it yet, and I am so excited for that shader

[full thistle]

Is there anything I can do to have transparency on my shader materials?

or do i have to go back to blender?

[magic slate]

You cannot have alpha transparency on quest

[full thistle]

am i sol then? There are areas on my avatar now that are pure black

[magic slate]

yep, cut them out in blender if you want them to be transparent

[full thistle]

in blender am I going to UV editing?

[magic slate]

for what?

[full thistle]

this is what I see in unity, where am I going in Blender, I can look up tutorials once I know the words I need to search for

[magic slate]

oh, I'm not really sure what you need to do from here

[full thistle]

these are my materials, the black areas are what I need to crop out right?

[magic slate]

I'm not sure I could really guide from here without actually looking at the model in Blender.

[full thistle]

i can provide as many screen shots that could get you at least somewhere to have me go to look for guides

[magic slate]

all I have is "remove parts that you want to be transparent"

because "absent" is just as good as "transparent" 🙂

[full thistle]

i don't know exactly how to remove it, if I knew where to go with the materials I had I can fly on my own from there

[magic slate]

edit mesh, select faces, delete. Cut them if you have to.

[full thistle]

and that's on the model or my materials here, because I don't want to delete parts of the body if it means they can see the inside of the body

[magic slate]

again, I really couldn't give you any kind of specific advice having never seen the model in detail

[full thistle]

Well, thanks. I'll try and brute force my way to solve the issue. Again thank you

[brisk ibex]

what are you trying to do exactly?

[magic slate]

deal with not having transparency

[full thistle]

Since I have to use the VRChat Mobile shaders, I can't just cut out or make transparent the materials

[brisk ibex]

what are you using transparency for?

[full thistle]

I think it's the way my model came out, but I have glasses and also parts the body get cut off when the clothing material is applied, essentially i think the mesh overwrites it? (i think that's the best way to put it)

[brittle matrix]

What you're looking for in blender is "knife tool"
In edit mode you just press k.
It lets you cut polys, so in theory, you'd just cut the polys the shape you need.
It'll take awhile, but it'll work

[full thistle]

Knife tool and Im cutting into the mesh right?

[brittle matrix]

Yup. When you push K you'll have to pick a starting point on the edge of a polygon and then you just click to draw out. I'd recommend a tutorial or two but its not very hard, just time consuming.

[full thistle]

will do, man making quest avatars is already more tedious

[magic slate]

it really is

at least, when starting from something that's way too much for the platform. Starting from scratch with the restrictions in mind is a lot easier. I mean, except for the building from scratch part.

[full thistle]

yeah, unfortunately

[delicate quail]

is the hierarchy okay?

[frozen marsh]

Enforce T-Pose