avatar-quest

[keen aspen]

it would be on the avatar itself, not on specific body parts iirc

so clicking on the name in the hierarchy, which lights up blue around the avatar, there would be a blendshape optimizer im fairly sure if it has one

if not, click Add Component and find Blendshape Optimizer VRCFury

[dim nimbus]

Thanks

[keen aspen]

np

iirc how it was explained to me, it bakes unused, nonanimated blendshapes upon upload to help with size

[dim nimbus]

Even with the optimizers added it seems to still be too big

If I sent the files would anyone be willing to troubleshoot? If they can be fixed to work I can just do a new package to import to the files to help

[keen aspen]

Most avatars have it in the TOS you're not allowed to share the files

can you just tell me the name of the avatar you're working with? how customized is it?

[dim nimbus]

~~deleted ~~First one is this one, I just reskinned it and changed defaults to fit the persons character (They own the files) and this one Deleted I added a toggle for a new skin (They own the files and sent me a version with a file that is supposed to be quest compatable but my unity is saying its too big to upload)

Both are currently uploaded as PC avatars but they can only use Quest at this time

[keen aspen]

https://tenor.com/bVEqW.gif

i am gonna suggest deleting the links now

mainly for the snivy

after you delete the links (i have them opened) can you show me the SDK information for them. Show me all the warnings with a too

[dim nimbus]

Snivey

The Dreamurr one will take a bit, I got to reconvert things

[keen aspen]

did you compress the textures at all?

wait

you said they can only use the quest version?

can you elaborate a bit

[dim nimbus]

They have no PC

Just a standalone quest, Now I have them uploaded as normal for when they do, but when I try and upload the quest version (Used vrcquesttools for Dreamurr)

It says they are too big

[keen aspen]

you can upload quest versions as PC

and they'll work for PC just fine

Quest versions don't explicitly mean they ONLY are for quest, it just means (usually) that they're versions of the avatar optimized to WORK for Quest

but you need to compress textures it looks like big time

which can you go to the textures folder for me and open up one of them in the inspecter so i can show you how to do that?

[keen aspen]

no

in the inspecter in VCC.

all you do is go to the textures folder at the bottom and find one of them, click it, and on the right it would show you information in the Inspecter tab.

[keen aspen]

i want you to click on Max Size and lower that to maybe 512 and click apply for me real quick and see if the texture quality lowers too much

[magic slate]

VCC?

[keen aspen]

Kazin i'm going to hunt u for sport /th

[dim nimbus]

Done

[keen aspen]

ok, now we're going to compress it so it'll be easier for VRC to load, I want you to click Compression for me and show me a screenshot of the drop down

[keen aspen]

ok lets do format first then,,

[dim nimbus]

Where do I do this?

Oh

Derp

[keen aspen]

https://tenor.com/hSfA76kXdFD.gif

can you click on resize algorithm for me, i'm trying to find some specific compression formats for you and aaa

[dim nimbus]

Only two options, Mitchell and Bilinear

[keen aspen]

let me open up one of my own projects real fast,,,

ok thisll be way easier now

go to this tab

[dim nimbus]

Ok

[keen aspen]

Make sure Max Size is 512

[dim nimbus]

Ok

[keen aspen]

and click Format, click this option in the dropdown

click apply

do this for every texture

[dim nimbus]

Ok

[keen aspen]

and then try to build and publish it, and show me the SDK information (It wont refresh information until you go to upload it again)

[dim nimbus]

Snivey uploaded fine, doing dreamurr now

[keen aspen]

show me Dreemurr's SDK too, and Thry's Evaluation

[keen aspen]

are there any clothes you dont plan on wearing?

[magic slate]

381k!

[dim nimbus]

I can remove some stuff, just need to figure out how without breaking the scene

[keen aspen]

can you show me the hierarchy then?

its actually hilariously simple to delete things like clothes, i've done it plenty a time

[dim nimbus]

Most of the outfits are on the FBX and controlled with blendshapes

[magic slate]

wait, this is a quest avatar that's got 381k polys?

[dim nimbus]

No, its an avatar I am trying to convert to quest for a friend

[keen aspen]

i dont need the armature,,,

[dim nimbus]

I am new to this stuff, where is the part you want?

[keen aspen]

everything in the hierarchy that isn't under the Armature, so collapse the dropdown for it and then take another pic

[keen aspen]

so after compressing all the textures its still unable to upload for quest?

and i mean ALL the textures, even the clothes and such

[dim nimbus]

Yes

[magic slate]

oh wow, you're going to need to remove a LOT of that

[dim nimbus]

But I think I have learned a bit to help me figure stuff out

[keen aspen]

thats good

[sour prairie]

Trying to convert Unity constraints to VRC constraints and I have no idea how

where would I get the script that I can add?

Nevermind...

[keen aspen]

did,,, did you find out unity can do it for you automatically,,,

[sour prairie]

yes

[digital verge]

i got everything for quest installed i dont why its not loading the module

[flint forge]

Can you show it installed in unity hub?

[pastel storm]

help

[magic slate]

You can't use that on avatars, even if it's in that folder.

[pastel storm]

that's stupid ngl i just want some transparency man 😭

[magic slate]

the mobile phone strapped to your face isn't really capable of doing that well

[pastel storm]

i mean the quest 2 is basically a samsung galaxy note 9 imma be honest 💀

but it can handle it perfectly, and with the quest 2 being entirely offsale now and the quest 1 literally fully unsupported i think vrchat should start loosening the requirements eventually. maybe not by much but definitely by some margin

[magic slate]

I suspect "perfectly" is when you're the only one doing it. But yeah maybe they will relax the limits a little

[pastel storm]

fair

considering i'm pretty sure they have not changed the limits since the OG quest

[keen aspen]

asking again in here bc i didnt get an answer: what is the best compression format to use to basically make a texture as small as possible size-wise

trying to fit a fun little thing onto my avatar for quest and i dont know what format to use to make it just a wee bit smaller

,,,, im just gonna use crunch compression at this point.

[jagged sequoia]

they did update the limits for Quest 2 it used to be half the triangle count that's currently allowed

[glad ravine]

So this lighting bug happened and i have no idea what it is.
Im on a quest 2 with a custom avi

Any ideas on what it is or how to fix it would be nice. It also only happens on this world

Even on worlds with flashlights thay seemed to have caused the issue here

[flint pebble]

You can have working flashlights on Quest? Or is that part of the world's assets? I tried putting a flashlight for the Quest version of my main avatar and VRChat keeps disabling it.

[glad ravine]

Yea. Thats a toggle

I have on my avi

I have another avi made by bread expert with glowly eyes. The toggle was called eye bloom and my freind figured out how to do a flashlight

Idk how he did tbh

[flint pebble]

Oh

Good to know at least :3

[glad ravine]

@flint pebble its a particle system

[flint pebble]

Oh

[hybrid phoenix]

physbones just arent working on any avatar i upload for quest, and ive seen a few that would have physbones for quest that just dont

they work in play mode in unity but just not in vrchat ^^

[robust whale]

i mean tbh i don't really understand why alpha blended (or at least a cutout shader) isn't allowed on quest when multiply and additive are. I keep hearing that they are not the same kind of transparency, but you can use 2 material slots to get pretty much the same effect as you would with a cutout shader. It practically looks the same (although it does have some slight rendering issues with mirrors), so i'm not sure if it's somehow a cheaper way of doing the same thing or there really isn't a reason to not have at least cutout transparency

i just wish they'd add cutout transparency so it can be used in a single draw call rather than 2

[keen aspen]

meta: look at all the cool things our standalone VR can do and handle!!
also meta: pls dont think about transparent textures it makes our headset's brain hurty 🥺

[magic slate]

Yeah cutout would be fantastic, and is probably minimal

[supple basin]

can someone please help me convert my pc avatar to quest im not very knowledgeable on how to do this and there are not enough videos online to help explain how to

[arctic slate]

You should post the stats so people can see what you'd actually need to change/optimize for it to work with quest ( also theres tools like VRCQuesttools and Polytool that can do it automatically for you though the outcome can vary depending on how large the model size is/how things are setup on it)

[ivory lily]

ok so i have this custom kitbash I made, I uploaded it once, and was able to have all the clothes, decent quality textures, and face tracking, and I was able to upload it to quest.

I changed the tail, combined all the clothes textures/UVs to one texture because I heard that having less mats is meant to help with making an avatar smaller. I did this to make a public, but I cant upload it to quest because its too big, I cant fit more than one clothing item on it. I genuinly dont know why its bigger than it was before because I optimized it more than I did with the other one, which was able to upload??

[magic slate]

probably no way for us to tell you why it's bigger without inspecting it

[keen aspen]

my guess is probably from combining the textures because it goes from multiple small texture sheets to one giant one

Atlassing textures I usually would only do as a last resort because it can break and be bigger than just having the multiple slots, I found out the sad pathetic way that I didn't need to lower texture quality on my funny rabbit hutch if i just put the blendshape optimizer on it when I was converting it to fit on my quest avatar :')

[magic slate]

oh true, if you combine textures badly you could end up with larger textures

[keen aspen]

I always try to lower the texture quality on the existing ones before resorting to Atlasing, and if it still doesn't fit, then I'd say fuck it we ball and make it a crunchy texture atlas, but that's one of those... rare edge cases where i'm lucky it actually works like that.

Also if you use VRCfury abuse the HELLLL out of those optimizer components!

No reason not to, and they help lower avatar size!!

VRCFury recently rolled out Parameter compression, which is in beta, which I'm tempted to try out at some point for conversion stuff

[burnt agate]

pain

[keen aspen]

staring at the avatar like wtf is there left to optimize,,,

[proper grail]

been tryna optimize an avatar for quest. Keep getting this error when i try to upload to quest

[sour vault]

You're either missing the paramater stuff or need to add it on the avatar you're uploading

[random creek]

how do i have different shirts for a texture painted avi, would i just paint over it? i wanna mek it a toggle

[arctic slate]

you'd need to edit the texture yeah, though for the actual toggle you could do it as a texture/material swap (or you could cutout the section of the mesh that'd be changing and duplicate it aswell)

[random creek]

where would i be doing that?

this is my first time making an avi for me

[thorny bluff]

Do I have to make a new parameter for each submenu or can I use the same one for each submenu

[magic slate]

are you using them to drive an animation or something? Otherwise you don't need a parameter at all.

[random creek]

so i have all my avatar bones, but i dunno how to keep the texture

[random creek]

could anyone help wit visamemes?

i really am struggling and i would like someone to do it for me? i cant really use blender, but i'll give an update

[outer python]

Does anyone know what would cause my normal maps to break like this? They only look like this on mobile. The second avatar I uploaded a few years ago, and its fine, the others are all from this summer (Except the pupdroid, didn't mean to switch to that) I already tried updating the SDK, and disabling Kaiser/DPID.

[slender wagon]

they should increase it 10mb is nothing thats makes quest avatars bad in my eyes

[magic slate]

get better hardware

dismissive perhaps, but the limitations are real

[slender wagon]

i am a pc player but i want that quest user see my avatars good too but its hard with 10mb limit

[flint forge]

As long as Quest 2 is supported, at the very least, they can't.

[magic slate]

yeah it's really hard

[flint forge]

I doubt we will see any increase any time soon, any increase just lowers the amount of avatars that can be shown overall.

But, as far as I understand they could just drop the 10MB upload limit and instead rely on the uncompressed size being the sole size limiter, it is what soley matters anyway.

[timid stump]

I never talk here and if this is the wrong chat to ask this, please correct me! But does anyone know where I can find this avi and why it got taken down? If it costs money and wasn’t meant to be public then I understand but if it does cost money can someone plz lmk if they know who made it and where to find it/ a link for it

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[timid stump]

Okay thank u, my apologies !😭

[magic slate]

no worries!

[frozen lintel]

anyone know a fix for this?

[rose lagoon]

The scream by Edvard munch

[covert vale]

cant figure out how to fix these textures

its a vroid to vrchat to quest

[cerulean sable]

why am i getting this error and its a quest shader?

[cerulean sable]

that's a thing im confused on to, been asking around and cant find any help

[outer python]

Are you on Linux by any chance?

Actually you could try backuping your project and, then delete the VRC SDK & Library folder, then reinstall the VRC SDK. I'm not getting those other errors, those sound like your SDK has been corrupted in some way.

[wooden fable]

Meant for worlds not avatars

[outer python]

IT WAS THIS SETTING! AHHHH! It needs to be set to XYZ and for some reason it was set to the other option. I never changed this.

I'm going to make a fresh project on Linux and see if this is set wrong by default there, and open a Canny if it is.

Actually I might need to open a canny anyway because the SDK is supposed to catch this stuff.
(I'm like villian origin story level miffed about this ngl, I kinda hoped it would be a more complicated issue.)

[outer python]

I fixed the broken normal maps issue.

[magic slate]

Linux user here - I don't have that setting, but normal maps should be OpenGL format for Unity/VRChat

wait, android, one sec

ok yes, I do:

defaults, I changed nothing

[outer python]

Weird, I wonder if setting the project to Vulkan for Linux some point automatically changed it? OpenGL mode has performance issues at least with Nvidia.

[magic slate]

yeah possibly - Vulkan might use the DX normal format

Mine has always been in GL mode, not sure I've noticed any real performance issues, though I wonder if I should try changing that

seems to have just crashed, that's fun

[outer python]

Yeah, it has been crashing a lot for me lately, I switched back to openGL when that started happening

[magic slate]

I may not have all the libraries needed, never tried this before. Works fine if I revert that change too.

[outer python]

I think the latest version 2022.3 LTS worked 100% in Vulkan mode, but I don't think I can upload to VRChat from that version.

[outer python]

Check if the option changed

[magic slate]

which option?

the editor crashed when trying to start with it set to vulkan mode, so I couldn't check anything

[outer python]

The normal map for Android player, it might have changed even if it crashed idk

[magic slate]

oh I reverted the settings file from git, so no idea

[outer python]

Ah

[outer python]

Okay, a fresh project on Linux just has that normal map format option set wrong.

[cerulean sable]

What's a shader that can be for quest particles?

[cerulean sable]

Is Linux like windows?

[magic slate]

weird! I haven't seen this

[outer python]

Yes!

[scenic tapir]

Hey

[gritty knot]

Is there ANY way to get avatars on quest without a pc?

Obviously not the obvious avatar worlds, like me buying an avatar

[shut jetty]

Js ask someone to upload it for u

Or have the creator u bought it from upload it

If they do uploads

[gritty knot]

well now I feel dumb 😭

Thank you 😄

[jagged sequoia]

both of those are actually against terms of service as far as uploading to Walker VRchat account

[gritty knot]

pause.

[shut jetty]

No its not??

Having the creator upload an avatar ain’t nun wrong w it

[jagged sequoia]

it is incredibly insecure to give someone else your login credentials to upload for you

[gaunt stirrup]

yeah it is cause it links the user's ip's so if one of them gets banned both do

[shut jetty]

No its not

A lot of ppl do it

If u don’t trust it then don’t do it

[gritty knot]

What if... You just clone the avatar?

[shut jetty]

Then thats leaking

A paid avatar

[gritty knot]

No no like get the person who made it

Buy it and then clone it

[shut jetty]

Still wont work

[gritty knot]

How so?

[shut jetty]

Cus the avatar is private

So u cant clone it

[gritty knot]

oh-

[shut jetty]

The only way u could is if the creator made it public

[gritty knot]

I see

[shut jetty]

So its js if u trust the creator who made the avatar to upload it for it

But i’d say its fine because ive bought multiple avatars

[jagged sequoia]

trust me bro would still be quite insecure

[gritty knot]

Obviously you change the password afterwards but still, they can get stuffs if they wanted

[shut jetty]

If ur insecure abt having someone upload an avatar for u thenn thats u

[shut jetty]

No they can not because u need a code for ur acc

[gritty knot]

I don't have any type of avatar in mind kinda thing or anything to go off for a completely new model so,
thank you but no thank you

[jagged sequoia]

having someone else upload your avatar where you don't have access to the files is a good way to get a broken Avatar

if any future VRchat updates make changes to how avatars work

[gritty knot]

true...

I guess I just gotta suck it up with the public avatars

It's just VERY hard to find a good looking male avatar that fits my style

No, sorry

Thank you for asking though

[shut jetty]

If someone makes an avatar and people buy it its definitely not broken and if it they can get it fixed

[gritty knot]

😐

[shut jetty]

Js ignore em

[jagged sequoia]

what if they get hit by a bus

[gritty knot]

as you wish

[shut jetty]

Bro there not dead

[gritty knot]

Extreme but effective example

[gritty knot]

But what if...

[jagged sequoia]

treehouse in the shade has not been able to get any updates as the creator has literally died

[shut jetty]

And a creator is gonna make sure the avatar is done right

[shut jetty]

Idk who that is

[jagged sequoia]

https://medium.com/vrchat/remembering-1001-973ac391c4df

[shut jetty]

Never heard

[shut jetty]

also sum creators have mods to do uploads to

[gritty knot]

huh?

[jagged sequoia]

point being it still possible for creators to no longer be on the platform for whatever reason

[gritty knot]

sorry... English?

[shut jetty]

It’s not hard to understand

[gritty knot]

-_-

My bad

[shut jetty]

And if a creator is not on the platform any longer someone would say that

Point being a creator will make sure the avatar is put on your account without any problems

[jagged sequoia]

that would also be entirely dependent on the creators mood as far as if you could ever add anything to the avatar if they're the only one with access to it

[gritty knot]

Does anyone have any trusted Avatar creators that make male avatars in mind?

[shut jetty]

Bro js go on payhip

Or sum

Like this conversation is getting nowhere people buy avatars and get it uploaded by the creator

And a creator isnt gonna be rude to a customer for asking for something to be added on the avatar no matter what mood

[gritty knot]

Didn't mean to annoy you, just trying to understand things before I buy anything i shouldnt

[shut jetty]

And they could always do it later when their mood improves

[jagged sequoia]

how the heck is that going to work if it's a paid asset that's not made by the original creator of the avatar

[gritty knot]

I'm guessing if you buy assets you can edit them no?

[jagged sequoia]

yes it's a good idea to find this stuff out before you buy something

[shut jetty]

If they have the assest they can add it onto the avatar

?

Hello

[shut jetty]

You can

[gritty knot]

Exactly, then there's no worry

Lol

[jagged sequoia]

if you bought something and gave it to the Avatar Creator to add it to your avatar your breaking terms of service of the paid asset you purchased by Distributing it to someone else

[shut jetty]

Its called gifting an assest

Cus theres literally a thing to gift assests

[gritty knot]

If you payed for it, give it to someone who knows how to do stuff it isn't distribution, it's editing an asset with assistance

[jagged sequoia]

yes and this is also a lot of extra labor you're putting on this Avatar Creator when you only gave them like 40 bucks to babysit the upload

[gritty knot]

You would pay for improvements or edits

It's pay for labor

[jagged sequoia]

all parties involved who's touching the model have to own it so actually that would be against terms of service

[shut jetty]

No they don’t

What

Good lord

[gritty knot]

Lol

[jagged sequoia]

like lots of assets mentioned in their terms of service like getting a skin commission requires you and the commissioner both owning the model as a prerequisite

[shut jetty]

Listen to whoever you want but

If you go on payhip theres a lot of good male avatars you can buy

And a lot of people have bought them

[gritty knot]

u

[shut jetty]

So theres no chance the creator is gonna scam you

[shut jetty]

If they upload an avatar for anyone who buys there avatar

[gritty knot]

They gonna have to catch me first

[shut jetty]

🤦‍♀️

[magic slate]

and yet, you're talking about piracy in a public channel

[gritty knot]

Nuh uh

[jagged sequoia]

I've posted like three different avatars terms of service that say there is no concept of sharing models for assistance

[shut jetty]

oml all he did was ask a question and i answered it and your making a big deal out of it

[gritty knot]

ong...

[shut jetty]

Just because he could ask the creator to upload the avatar for him

oml

[gritty knot]

Apologies all for the inconvenience, I didn't mean to annoy

[shut jetty]

legit called him insecure for saying he could get it uploaded

[shut jetty]

Nah not u

Ur good

[gritty knot]

•-•

From what I've gathered, to get an asset for me to use and someone to edit I'll need to buy it twice for both parties involved, that's fine

[shut jetty]

no not really if the creator owns the assest then u dont need to buy it

Cus if you know how to edit ur own avatar theres no need to go back to the creator

[gritty knot]

Yes but I don't have a PC or know anything at all about editing avatars

[gritty knot]

And yes, of course

[shut jetty]

Yeah so if the creator has the asset then if they allow it

They’ll edit it for you

[gritty knot]

yesh

[shut jetty]

simple as that really

[jagged sequoia]

typically model makers don't offer commission services for doing texture edits

[shut jetty]

Yes they do ??

[jagged sequoia]

I've never seen any

[shut jetty]

Thats not my problem

[gritty knot]

"Typically" I'll just have to find a good avatar with someone who does it

[jagged sequoia]

maybe the culture just is different for like anime avatars versus furries

[shut jetty]

A lot of ppl do it so dw even worry abt it

[gritty knot]

Thank you for your help and sorry for annoying you 🙂

Have a great rest of your day

[shut jetty]

Ur good have a nice day as well

[jagged sequoia]

@gritty knot

[simple scroll]

simply unsafe,
even if it's your love one, better not do it.

(same like, not tell your love password for your smartphone)

[jagged sequoia]

wonder if it should be written somewhere a bit more easily Google the don't do account sharing for Avatar upload as it took me a bit of a while to find it explicitly written down

which makes it a bit difficult to point out to people who go just lots of people do it so it's not a problem excuse for bad behavior

[simple scroll]

using password manager kind of utility be best bet

[gritty knot]

I mean I have a relatively new account not linked to anything other than my headset with a completely different password and email so, even if I do get booted off id just reset my quest password just to be sure and then make a new VrChat account lol

[jagged sequoia]

that would be evading a ban which would also be against terms of service

and also could get the Avatar maker ban as password sharing would basically the two of you treated as alt accounts of each other

[elder osprey]

Hiii yall. Where do I see my quest avatar size? I don't have a quest, so it won't show it to me in-game.

I managed to upload something... and it didn't error/fail due to size, but I would like to know how big it is.

[uneven nest]

Anyone know any good male punk/zombie avatars ? That are capable for the quest.

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[gentle gorge]

By chance, does anyone know if there’s an avatar of Jeff from the movie Finch? If not, does anyone know someone who might commission?

[magic slate]

^ same answer for you, there's a channel for this

[sharp oasis]

is the texture supposed to look like this?

it went from being smooth to... that.

while I was optimizing it for quest

it all looks... scrunched up

[magic slate]

not sure how we'd answer that one, having never seen any of this

what's it for?

[sharp oasis]

it's the stomach of the model

it looks like that normally

[sharp oasis]

but while I was trynna optimize it for quest it changed into that...

[magic slate]

and what did you do to it?

[sharp oasis]

I didn't do anything, I just clicked the autofixes and changed the shaders to standard lite

cuz that's what a video said to do

[outer python]

Was it toon shaded before? Could you send more zoomed out screenshots, it's hard to tell what's going on with so little visual context

[sharp oasis]

yeah it was toon shaded

[outer python]

There should be a VRChat Mobile Toon shader, use that instead. Standard Lite is PBR.

[sharp oasis]

ah I see

thanks a lot

btw is EasyQuestSwitch any good?

[outer python]

I haven't used it much, I usually just use separate projects & prefab variants, then copy changes between them (optionally, but highly recommend, by using Git)

Git is super very un-userfriendly though

[magic slate]

haha it sure is

[hushed monolith]

Wanted to ask for some helpful tips on quest converting. My avatar is currently at 11.57>10, I’ve deleted assets and lowered resolution on textures + lq crunched them.
I just wanted to ask if anyone has some other tips or suggestions as to how I could lower the size

[arctic slate]

Do you have any unused blendshapes on the model you can remove? those can get rid of quite a bit of space

[flint forge]

VRCFury's blendshape optimizer, it removes unused blendshapes seamlessly each time you upload.

I would also recommend using the ASTC texture format, aside from not causing stutters on load like crunch does, it can compress heavily, especially if you set it to the 12x12 variant, not sure if it will lead to a lower download size though, but on Quest it is just good to do it regardless, it is just a better format.

[hushed monolith]

This and a few other optimizers and it brought it down to 10 something. Thank you !

[hushed monolith]

Currently got it at 10.5. Anyone got some other tips ?

[arctic slate]

have you tried checking what's taking up the most space with Thry's avatar performance tools?

[hushed monolith]

How do I do that ?

[arctic slate]

there should be a vcc link on their page for easier import https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools iirc it should be under its own tab near the top once its imported

This is just a quick guide on how it works/looks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nm7I-kCL6Y (if you know how to import packages with VCC then you can skip to around 0:55)

[hushed monolith]

Thank you !

[pastel storm]

Hellooo
I use LilToon shader on my avatar but when i change the shaders to vrchat mobile it turns red

Textures are white, materials are white
i can only solve it with pure white emissions xD

[flint forge]

The avatar's mesh has vertex colors, colors baked right into the mesh, you can remove them either in Blender or with https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools

[pastel storm]

ohh o.o

thank youu

i willtry

[flint forge]

All the mobile shaders multiply the texture with vertex color for whatever reason so this pops up.

[pastel storm]

ah okie

i tried to make it on blender

deleted this keys

but still not work xD

ahh remove all vertex colors worked thank youu

[thick vault]

Start by using the right unity version

Your avatar may otherwise be invisible ingame. Thats common and probably has more symptoms

[solar gazelle]

Uhhh guys I'm having a problem, there's an avatar with a transparent face, but I can't upload it to quest without it having a black box over its face, is there a transparency shader I can use? Pls?

[magic slate]

there is not

is that the actual root bone in the root bone slot?

(which you clipped in this pic (don't do that), but I saw in another)

[random creek]

ooooh

how do you check that

[magic slate]

that's a lot of spine bones

[random creek]

yea...

[magic slate]

oh this is a lot of bones in general, looks like a complicated rig for games, interesting

kinda wondering if you can skip spine bones like that

wouldn't surprise me if you can't

[random creek]

could someone or could i just look for a person that would just do this action?

like just set the bones in the avatar so i can upload it

[steady idol]

50/50

some bones it will let you other bones it will yell at you

[arctic slate]

you'd have to commission someone, go to VRCTraders (link in #1204490664637890580 ) though it'll cost you

that depends on who you commission, each verified artist there has their own examples of work and price sheets, id imagine the lower the price the newer the person is to rigging (but that doesnt mean that the higher the price the better the quality either so be a bit nitpicky and reach out to them to ask lots of questions so you dont get screwed over)

[random creek]

hmm

[somber star]

How do I get an avatar made??

@civic thicket

[jagged sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar/

[bronze edge]

hi, i am having some issues with avatar download size

is there a way to break down how big each item is to see where i can trim the fat?

[sinful quiver]

Have you reduced the resolution of the textures?

[bronze edge]

yes

some of them like the face i would like to keep at 1024 but most of them are 128

the avatar size is less than 10mb but the download size is too large

and i am not sure where to start looking

[sinful quiver]

Have you use VRCQuestTools?

[bronze edge]

i have but i have made changes since i can rerun that but the face looks TERRIBAD after that 🙂 let me do it again

it dropped it at least to 12mb but that is still 2mb too large :/

[sinful quiver]

Remove what you don't mind losing on Quest. Sync parameters.

[bronze edge]

already done that but i think i found the issue just testing

[arctic slate]

theres tools like Thry's avatar performance tools that give you a breakdown of what's taking up certain amounts of space on a model but generally the best ways to lower the size are lowering texture rez and removing unused blendshapes

[bronze edge]

thank you that was what i needed but i spent a lot of time going through all the materials used in the FX layer to make sure all the textures used is correctly sized

took me 30 minutes but avatar is looking GREAT on quest now

[sinful quiver]

👍

[granite schooner]

how i can take this mr sharkk avatar for add another cosmetic option pls

[magic slate]

"take"?

you'd have to find where to download the source files, or buy it if not free

[dry steeple]

VRCCQ actual agony because some constraints dont work

I bought stuff to put on an avatar, and it's not compatible(I think)

[magic slate]

Unity constraints don't work on Android/Quest but you can convert them to VRC Constraints which do

[dry steeple]

yeah I did that and changed texture size and shaders for everything and now its just telling me "build failed" when I try and upload it

[arctic slate]

id check your console and look for any errors there

generally it gives you a reason for a failed build

[somber star]

Anybody ever bought from a guy named Alex on here?

[magic slate]

this server? avoid, go to VRC Traders instead, where vendors are verified. Link is in #1204490664637890580

[lucid current]

Somebody have this avatar

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[lucid current]

Thx

[gaunt haven]

is there a way I can upload an avatar under a specific avatar id (that is mine) for quest? I just copied the files of my original PC avatar and I'm trying to optimize it for quest rn

[magic slate]

put the blueprint ID into the pipeline manager component (on your avatar root)

[gaunt haven]

alr ty ty

[gaunt haven]

but its a mobile shader??

is that shader only for worlds or something?

[magic slate]

yep

docs: https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations#shaders

amusingly that one isn't listed

[gaunt haven]

tried putting mobile toonlit on it and it fucked up the thing

i think it requires transparency

yeah it definently does

[magic slate]

Yep

[gaunt haven]

are there any quest shaders that allow transparency

[magic slate]

not alpha transparency in the easy way, no. You'd need to cut out the mesh you want to hide

[gaunt haven]

huh

hmm

but its like

a blush thing
it appears when i do a certain gesture

maybe quest just wont have blush then/hj

[magic slate]

yeah, this is a pretty common use-case for transparency

that's the easy answer, yup

[gaunt haven]

lol

but i wanna try

[jagged sequoia]

the glorified cell phone processor that's inside a quest headset has a hard time with transparency rendering

[gaunt haven]

it doesnt like me

[gaunt haven]

oh god

[primal bramble]

Gogo loco uses a rotation constraint which is not compatible with android. Is there an alternative way around this? I'm guessing this just prevents questies from flying? Anyone dabble with gogo enough?

[magic slate]

is that the latest gogo loco? I figured it'd use a VRC constraint now

[primal bramble]

Prob a version behind

[magic slate]

if not, you should be able to auto-fix that, see in the build console

[primal bramble]

There's an auto fix?

[magic slate]

sorry, not console I mean the build window, it may have a notice about that

I'm not up on gogo loco, haven't been using it lately

[primal bramble]

yea it says it should auto fix

[magic slate]

cool, you could try that

[primal bramble]

Am I blind? Where is the auto fix button?

[magic slate]

I'm not sure it fixes the animations properly

[gaunt stirrup]

expand window

[primal bramble]

omg lmao

I'm not blind, just stupid

[magic slate]

it's really not obvious

[primal bramble]

Thank you, maybe in the past its been open and ive always just clicked auto when I could see it. 🤔 Silly silly me, thank you again lol.

[somber star]

So many scammers in here 😭

Why do they all say the same thing

[somber star]

Who is a legit avatar creator that’s not overly expensive?

[gaunt stirrup]

"overly expensive" is kinda subjective, but looking for commissions here is only gonna get scammers in your dms

[flint forge]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1204506421631393913
When you don't have anyone special in mind I think the VRC Traders discord is the best place to find people to commission, you can find a link to it here in this discord. And not just any server can become a community server, they have to be vetted.

[somber star]

Thanks you who would yall recommend because people trying to get me to pay 400+

[gaunt stirrup]

you can post a listing with a budget and wait for someone authorized to dm you, there's also a portfolio section if you wanna look through there and find an artist you like

[somber star]

Thank you man that’s all I needed

[leaden charm]

anyone know how to fix this???

I don't know how to crunch or compress avatars

[magic slate]

"this"?

[leaden charm]

One momment

[magic slate]

uncompressed

[leaden charm]

is there any tool that I can make it compressed?

[magic slate]

which means lower texture sizes, mesh size, etc.

[leaden charm]

I lowered the textures

[magic slate]

remove parts you don't need

[leaden charm]

and compressed them

I see

[magic slate]

etc., etc. #quest-optimization

[flint forge]

Methods that compress, like mesh compression or crunch compression, do not do anything to the uncompressed size and that is the size that actually matters for performance reasons.

Reduce texture resolution and use VRCFury's blendshape optimizer.

[scarlet dagger]

I've been running into this weird issue every now and again where models will tint the VRChat android shaders colours
I don't know how or why, but it only happens with the vrchat mobile shaders and I can't identify any pattern as to what causes this

[magic slate]

it's vertex colors

those shaders mutiply the output color by the vertex color, you can delete those in blender or I think vrc quest tools

[scarlet dagger]

:o I've heard of these but i have no clue how they work

what even is their purpose?

[magic slate]

it just stores a color component on each vertex. They can be really useful for fun shader effects

[scarlet dagger]

but not useful for other things :catplush:

[magic slate]

or even just colorizing something without input textures

[scarlet dagger]

understood

much appreciated

[gaunt stirrup]

i use vertex colors all the time. It could be useful for example, having an underlying shade while the texture swaps the palette, among other things.

[magic slate]

I keep meaning to use them

[gaunt stirrup]

liltoon and poiyomi use them for certain effects which is why PC models have them, tend to not translate well to quest

[scarlet dagger]

do they have a performance benefit?

or are they just exist :3c

[magic slate]

can't see how it'd affect much at all

[gaunt stirrup]

any performance benefit would probably boil down to not having to add more materials, depending on how it's used 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet dagger]

and do i remove them in blender?

[gaunt stirrup]

there's a dropdown called "Color Attributes" (not sure why blender has to make up their own name for everything) it's under like a green triangle menu

[magic slate]

that's one way, yep

[gaunt stirrup]

oh wait that question didn't say 'how" lol

[scarlet dagger]

saves me the trouble of fucking arround and finding out or googling it, danke

i fixeded it

[pastel storm]

Had this issue happen before no idea how fix before but I had a quest ver ready for an avatar that would be 10.4mb so I get rid of one thing then all of the sudden the avatar jumps to 58mb some how. Had this for a while.

[frozen marsh]

I made a video about this, how to change Quest textures' resolution correctly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSiQuB9tP2Y

[snow echo]

I need help uploading my vrc avatar on quest

[soft mirage]

Is there any ways I can use a vrchat/mobile/lightmapped shader for quest avis

can when I try to use it, it says use a shader from vrchat/mobile

[magic slate]

it's for worlds, so no

[soft mirage]

OK so when I change the shader type on my avi even if there is no texture or color the part of the aviso that is useing the shader turns black can you help with that?

[magic slate]

Probably vertex colors are the problem. You can remove them from the mesh with Blender or I think VRC quest tools

[soft mirage]

ok

it work now thank you

[gaunt stirrup]

I accidentally uploaded the pc version to IOS again. I remember having a conversation with someone about accidentally uploading an avatar with a custom shader, like poiyomi, to quest/mobile, and what would that even look like in game. Well, seems I have the answer finally: it replaces it with standard lite. Not that interesting but thought i'd share anyway

Also thought it was strange that i could even display the very poor model on ios

[silent siren]

Are you sure about that? "Uncompressed size" would refer to the size of all of the assets on disk after decompressing the downloaded avatar.

notably:

When calculating your avatar's size, VRChat does not decompress individual assets! For example: If you set "Compression" to "High Quality" in a texture's import settings, it increases your avatar's download size and uncompressed size.
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-size-limits/

[flint forge]

-# They store asset bundles in the cache, so it is uncompressed in RAM, not on disk, your cache would fill up a whole lot quicker otherwise.
At least the idea behind the uncompressed size is to represent, as closely as possible, the amount of MB an avatar will take up.
I do not know exactly how crunch compression works, but it is essentially like lossy zipping up of the texture, when you then want to use the texture it has to be unzipped, so grows back to its original size, however that is only done when the avatar is being loaded in.

I am a bit confused by the quote you quoted, because I am not sure if I am getting what it is trying to say, if you set the "Compression" setting to high quality, then the texture format chosen for PC will end up as BC7 (possibly always, not sure), which does just straight up take up more space than the standard DXT1, so it would increase download and uncompressed size.

[silent siren]

The crunch-compressed texture is decompressed into a format the GPU can understand before being uploaded to the GPU

It wouldn't get written to disk

and yes, it's clarifying (somewhat poorly) that this has nothing to do with the compression formats Unity is using

The uncompressed size is how large the asset bundle is. This often leaves a lot of compression ratio on the table (e.g. if your avatar has a large solid white texture that isn't crunch-compressed)

hence the extra compression step before uploading and the corresponding decompression step after downloading

also, notably, my avatar has a download size of about 2.43MB with an uncompressed size of 9.5MB, and it takes up about 8.3MB in my cache

so it's definitely not stored in a compressed form in the cache

(Although, that could be different on the Quest platform, for sure)

[obtuse zinc]

Can someone help me convert an avatar file to fbx

[arctic slate]

what type of file?

[pastel storm]

I need someone who is interested in making me a avi

[wooden fable]

Nobody will make you one for free, that's too much time and effort. If you want to commission someone, it's much safer to go to this Discord server: https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1204506421631393913 and only buy from verified artists. Ignore any DMs from this server, they are very likely to be scams.

[robust whale]

you coudl be interested in making your own avi

then you'll have one for free

all it costs is your time

but you get to learn :)

[pastel storm]

What do I need to download

Also what specs dose my PC need

I have a decent CPU horrible GPU

[robust whale]

idk exact specs, it really depends on what you end up making with it, but any recent computer should be fine, i make mine on a mac laptop lol

[pastel storm]

Oh ok so what software

[robust whale]

to make it fully from scratch for free, you will need a modeling software (i recommend Blender), and it's best to have a image editing/drawing app, i personally use FireAlpaca but there are other free ones like GIMP, Krita, etc. Then you will need Unity and the VRC Creator Compantion. If you go to the VRChat website, there should be a download section. Download the Creator Companion from there. On the Unity website download the Unity Hub, and create an account and "buy" a free personal license of unity. Then download version 2022.3.22f1 from the Unity Archive. After everything is installed you should be able to open the VRChat Creator Companion and select your Unity editor install location. VRChat Creator Companion is what you will be using to make new avatar projects in unity

so in short, these are the programs you need:

• Modelling software (e.g. Blender)
• Drawing/Image editing software (e.g. FireAlpaca, Krita, Gimp)
• Latest Unity Hub
• Unity Editor 2022.3.22f1
• Latest VRChat Creator Companion

oh also if you want to make quest avatars you'll need to install the android build target after you have everything else set up with unity

[still dragon]

I would love to help you out ❤️

[magic slate]

beware of scammer 🙂

[arctic slate]

read above, asking for commissions here isnt allowed and will only get you scammed go to VRCTraders (link in #1204490664637890580 ) and find a verified seller there

also ignore any DMs you get from people in here about it as this server is heavily botted by scammers

[safe whale]

Hello

Can you help me on that I was trying to joined but said the link is invalid

[arctic slate]

i could DM you the invite if you mean a dead link but if its a case of it not allowing you to join it then your account might've been flagged as a bot since its so new + sketchy looking

[safe whale]

Oh really

[arctic slate]

They've got a bot that filters that stuff iirc so if you're unable to join it/are banned from it then you'd need to contact someone on their mod team im pretty sure

[safe whale]

Can you help me out

[arctic slate]

with what?

[safe whale]

There's no way I can contact their mod

[arctic slate]

hmm give me a minute to see if i can find a way

[karmic frost]

How does the person in the guide at about 0:25 hide the specific parts of the model, the answer to this is likely really obvious but for the life of me I can't figure it out. https://youtu.be/Hpsuyvl7ec4?t=25

[robust whale]

idk what hotkey they are using, but you can click the checkbox in the inspector to disable them

top left corner of the inspector

[karmic frost]

Tysm

[long sinew]

Im having trouble uploading a fallback avatar, I dont see the option to do so anywhere despite the fact it says my avatar qualifies

I uploaded it for both windows and android already

[magic slate]

iirc you do it in the android upload, there's a checkbox in the control panel

[pastel storm]

Anyone know good avatar worlds for quest

[delicate quail]

this! and sometimes it doesn't show up at first so you may need to reopen unity

[long sinew]

Im not seeing the checkbox anywhere

[magic slate]

oh hah, I didn't know about the reopening one, haven't done this in a while

[long sinew]

its not there, Its uploaded for windows aready with the same blueprint id

[delicate quail]

it's right here

[long sinew]

how the hell did i not see that

thank you

[delicate quail]

you're welcome

[magic slate]

oh that's where it is now

[stark ridge]

Anyone got a good tutorial for converting a PC avatar into quest. I just uploaded him and I wanna make him quest compatible.

Never mind, I figured it out

[upper heart]

i need help it says missing script for gogo loco

[arctic slate]

did you import gogo loco already?

[upper heart]

this quest avi has gogo loco beyond

i already uploaded the pc one

[arctic slate]

does it also say missing script outside of prefab mode? and if it does couldnt you just remove the broken script and re-add it with VRCFury or do you have specifically tailored animations for it to need to be already on the model

[velvet rover]

Can someone tell me what the fuck is causing this? I make my avis Quest Compatible cause I want Questies to see the style of my Avatars but that's a waste of time when all they see is me dressed up like I'm fucking emo. I've been trying for months to fix this on my own and I've reached my limit. Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can fix this nuisance of a problem asap? (Black and white is the Quest version FYI)

[delicate quail]

Is the problem the colour?

Does the pc version use some fancy ways to texture the purple? emissions or something else, I don't remember the name

[velvet rover]

Kinda. So the PC version naturally has detail that is visible on the material but when I apply the material to the corresponding meshes for the outfit it basically becomes a solid black mesh.

These are the materials for Quest end

These 4 are the problematic ones because when I apply them to their corresponding meshes, the meshes turn solid black.

With minor exceptions

In reality, they should obviously look like a black and white version of the PC outfit.

Here's what happens when I make it standard Lite instead of toon.

This is how it should look on Quest.

And this is how it actually looks on Quest

[flint forge]

Would guess vertex color, either remove in blender or the unity addon VRCQuestTools.

[velvet rover]

I'm confused.

[flint forge]

Mesh can have baked in color (not a replacement for textures, way too low resolution, each vertex is a pixel)

This can remove them https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools

[velvet rover]

Okay

[delicate quail]

wrong server for commissions

[floral gate]

mm. you'll probably just get spammed by scam dm's now. i think there's a link to vrctraders in the community servers tab.

[delicate quail]

yeah

[meager tundra]

im trying to make a foxy on quest from TJOC and i finished him on PC and when swapping to quest it looks like this

this is PC

i dont know why it gets so dark

[celest plaza]

hey guys, I need help. I'm trying to upload an avatar, but every time I try to it says "Attempted to load the data for an avatar we do not own, clearing blueprint ID." how do I fix this?

[jagged sequoia]

this spot in the Avatar description on yours would have a button that says detached click on it to detach the build ID

[random comet]

That isn't the culprit error, scroll up and show the errors above "Assetbundle was not built"

[robust whale]

looks like you're having the same issue as person above (vertex colors)

just remove vertex color attribute in blender

i think D4rk's avatar optimizer can do it in unity as well

[meager tundra]

thats the weird thing, i did

[meager tundra]

mind sending link to the tool?

[robust whale]

https://github.com/d4rkc0d3r/d4rkAvatarOptimizer

easy to find just google it

[meager tundra]

ty

[robust whale]

if you already tried removing vertex colors maybe it's occlusion map issues?

[meager tundra]

no occlusions

how do i use the tool to maybe try and fix the vertex color layer?

fixed it

[wind nest]

good

[marsh wave]

CAn anyone help me with my shader and material issues in unity im trying to make a avi quest but ive got one more error left and i can not find it

[delicate quail]

what error?

[marsh wave]

ive searched everywhere it dont exists

[delicate quail]

wrong shader

[marsh wave]

yes but how do i find it

[delicate quail]

in unity you need to pick a VRChat mobline shader

[magic slate]

They're looking for the material, not the shader

[marsh wave]

i have for every material available unless there is sopmething im not understanding

[delicate quail]

yeah, they need to pick their materials and select one of the vrchat mobile shaders

[magic slate]

make sure you check particle systems, and any materials which are used in a swap

[marsh wave]

i have like a bunch of error but i fixed them all nowe im just left with this one and im confused

[delicate quail]

or is that not what's going on?

[magic slate]

That is what's going on, yes.

[delicate quail]

yeah

[marsh wave]

canone of you call me and help me search real quick ?

i feel like i might have to start over

[delicate quail]

Select all of your materials, in the inspector select VRChat > mobile > and pick one of those, people other use standard lite, I think

I can't call rn, but the shaders should be there

[marsh wave]

thats what i did ive check every material 😭

i dont get it

it makes no sense why i still have one

[delicate quail]

what shaders did you pick? maybe it's mad cause you picked a shader that's made for worlds

not avatars

[marsh wave]

most of them are this unless it rendered wrong then i picked a different one

but i never picked worlld

[delicate quail]

if they all have that one it should work

[marsh wave]

Cries*

[delicate quail]

double check and it doesn't work close and open unity, maybe it needs a refresh

[marsh wave]

i did give that a go before thinking maybe its just not registering that its completed but it didnt change anything

i feel like i might need to start from scratch its just one more material thought thats like invisible or something i even stried showing the hidden mats

[autumn thunder]

hello guys, are there any wearable daft punk avatars? im new to this game and was looking for them...

[magic slate]

try in #1138520828556890214

[autumn thunder]

thanks but unfortunately I didn't find anything

[magic slate]

that's the best place to look. you could make a post asking too

[arctic slate]

You could also try looking in Prismic's avatar search world in-game

[misty arrow]

why give the option of using light mapped in mobile section if u cant use it on the model to upload like what

[magic slate]

that's a world shader

[arctic slate]

its part of the base SDK rather then specifically the avatar SDK so its included in the options list iirc

[dense valley]

Hey can someone help

I’m unable to upload an avatar to quest despite putting the avatar into VRC quest tools

There’s a copy of the PC version that’s entirely optimized for quest, yet it doesn’t show up for my friend

Nvm brain fart

Ok so

I assume it takes time to show up on someone’s account whenever I upload to quest/update it?

[ionic zephyr]

Try changing lobbies or restarting the game, and it should be fine

[dense valley]

I found the issue

But hey since you’re here

How do I compress avatars

x3

[ionic zephyr]

Lower the texture resolution for ex.

[dense valley]

ok

how do i add a texture to a material

@ionic zephyr ??

[ionic zephyr]

Select the material and drag the texture into the slot

[strange bison]

ok so im not sure what's going on here:

[soft mirage]

dose anyone know how to make a world constraint prop the can be seen by other people

[magic slate]

As long as you trigger it with a synced variable, it should be visible by other people

[dreamy edge]

is it possible/ideal to just duplicate a model into a new scene rather tha duplicate the entire project if i want to make a quest version of the avatar?

[delicate quail]

If your quest avatar is the exact same one as pc I don't see why not

[dreamy edge]

well it is aside from the materials, since poiyomi doesn't work on quest

[delicate quail]

then I think you could do that

just "Save Scene As" and you'll have a copy of the scene and just change the shader

[dreamy edge]

also, is there a way to preview what an avatar looks like on quest if i don't have a quest?

just to make sure it displays correctly

[delicate quail]

from my knowledge no, but it should like it does in unity

[agile swallow]

has vrc upped the requirements from 10mb to 40mb?

[arctic slate]

there isnt any annoucement/notice of that so it isnt likely

if anything they're more likely to lower the amount even more since with 10mb people are still rarely having issues

[magic slate]

iirc it's 10 compressed and 40 uncompressed

[robust whale]

yeah you can even just do it in the same scene

[robust whale]

it'll look like how it does in unity, the only thing that might not look the same when making content for vrchat are custom shaders (either not vr compatible or not quest comatible) but that won't matter for quest avatars since you can't have them anyways

only matters for PC (avatars and worlds) and Quest worlds

[pastel storm]

I recently bought the knockout avatar and im trying to create an quest/android version of it because its an pc only, the problem is that after I change all the shaders, and the texture even to 265 its still 30mb big...

Does anyone know some more tricks? And yes I also deleted the phy bones to a minimum

I just dont know what I can do more... really need some help now

Note: I am not allowed to share the avatar so please try to explain things to me or send me some good helping videos

[delicate quail]

less meshes?

less tris?

it's kinda hard to say what you can do if we don't see the avatar

[arctic slate]

use thry's avatar performance tool to check what's taking up the most space on the model

lots of reasons other then texture size that make a model's size large, tons of unused blendshapes is another really common reason for big avatar sizes

[torn moon]

deleted unused blendshapes, remove any additionsl UV sets, remove unused/extra vertex groups, remove vertex color attribute data

ur issue is most likely a mesh memory problem than an actual texture memory one

if ur avatar has alot of tris, seperate the head to be a single mesh, if its not already

when blendshapes are added, it bloats all vertices its combined too, not just the vertices the blendshape affects

[pastel storm]

thanks I will try those things when im home

[pastel storm]

How can I reduce the mesh memory in unity?

[magic slate]

remove unused blendshapes, decrease poly count

[pastel storm]

how can I remove them in unity?

[magic slate]

I think vrc quest tools can, also VRC Fury has "blendshape optimizer"

[pastel storm]

thanks

[pastel storm]

can I delete mesh/clothing that I dont need without breaking something?

[magic slate]

Sure, though I'd do that in Blender.

[pastel storm]

okay

I DID IT

UFFF

[magic slate]

Rule #10, don't advertise here

[pastel storm]

no thanks, I want to save some money

[delicate quail]

wrong server. Go to VRC Traders, link in #1204490664637890580

[arctic slate]

asking here will get you scammed/scammer DMs and isnt allowed so id delete your message

[shy bay]

Well I don't know who I would ask then

[arctic slate]

like the person said above go to VRCTraders

they've got a wide selection of verified users to choose from

[delicate quail]

exactly! here you'll just find scammers

[old escarp]

If u bought an avi from someone try asking the creator

[shy bay]

So that's probably my best place

[arctic slate]

yep

[shy bay]

Ok thx

[hollow cedar]

what tools/add-ons did you use? (if any)

[robust whale]

report the avatar, don't send it here

now people can access the avatar

[fresh wraith]

Question, for making an avatar visible for quest, dose it just have to do with the texter or dose having toggles and stuff effect that as well? ( I don't need anyone to see the toggles just want them to be able to see the avatar ) I'm pretty new to this

[pastel storm]

uff I use thry, (some avatar opti tool) and vrc fury

[green forge]

👍

[silent cedar]

Hi, sorry, for what purpose?

[magic slate]

sus

[delicate quail]

sus

[silent cedar]

Sorry, I don't know you. I will not be accepting your friend request.

[delicate quail]

if you have anything to say just use the server, adding people like that is very sus

[silent cedar]

^

I mean this with all due respect your account has been around only since November on discord as a platform and this discord server as a whole, we have no mutual friends and I don't recognise your UN from within VRChat. Under no circumstances will I be accepting a friend request or even a DM from you at this time, if you have anything you need to discuss with me, it is likely not personal enough to warrant privacy or some sort of nonsense that breaks the rules of this discord or some type of terms of service. There's just no way. Thank you.

😂

As well these are the first messages you have ever sent in this discord. This activity is very suspicious.

[pastel storm]

from pc only avatar to Pc and Quest avatar thanks to you guys

[fresh wraith]

So for lowering bone count for an avatar is there a way to select everything in editor that has bones or do I have to do it one by one?

Like fluff, feathers, ect

[ionic zephyr]

One by one how?

[wanton scarab]

I use blenders cat plugin for optimizing avatars bone counts. There’s a section in the plug-in that says optimization and there you can select a set of bones from the list that you can reduce it’s number of bones. Sometimes though it doesn’t show everything so you may have to do some individually

That’s the method I use. I don’t know if there’s a better method out there

[fresh wraith]

Thank you that helped a lot!

[wanton scarab]

Np!!!

[hot sparrow]

Was this just some oversight or

[delicate quail]

that shader is for only for worlds i think

[hot sparrow]

Sigh

[mellow fiber]

i need help with this too

[carmine siren]

someone who knows if there is a recom Quaritch avatar from the Avatar movie? or if someone does comissions for free which I dont think anyone would do tbh

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214 for the first question, unlikely for the second

[daring basin]

that toooooo!!!!!

[odd mesa]

Anybody got a muscleman avatar or know a world which has a muslceman avatar

[delicate quail]

go to #1138520828556890214

[delicate quail]

Rule 10. No advertising.

[haughty bison]

I'm sorry

[pastel storm]

anyone upload avis by chance?

[delicate quail]

there is a tutorial in the pinned post in #1139216499123437668

what part are you having trouble with?

[dim karma]

hey is there anyone with knolige about unity pysebones i am making avatars for vrchat and the part i wane move dousnt move it all it stays as stiff as a rock

[delicate quail]

show your physbone set up

and does the physbone show up on the avatar?

[dim karma]

thats what it dous

the under thingy shout move

[delicate quail]

does the physbone show up on the avatar in unity?

[dim karma]

those are the bones the kama thing shoud move

[delicate quail]

where did you place the physbone? on what bone

[delicate quail]

increase the radius

I see it now

[pastel storm]

i can’t upload it myself..thats why I’m asking if anyone does uploads..

[dim karma]

how big

[delicate quail]

don't, you'll get scammers in your DMS and don't give people your log in info either

[delicate quail]

that depends on your avatar, try to increase it slowly until you think it's good

[dim karma]

how big shoud it be

[delicate quail]

that depends on your avatar, try to increase it slowly until you think it's good

[dim karma]

wel i mean like as big as the avie or the moving thing

[delicate quail]

the radius is basically how far the physbones are going to move

yours is at 0 so they don't move at all

[dim karma]

alr i wil try that and keep you uptodate thxxx

shoud root transform have anything in it

[delicate quail]

only if you put the physbone component on a different object then the one it's supposed to move

[dim karma]

it stil dousnt move........

[delicate quail]

is it weight painted properly?

that's the only thing that comes to my mind

[dim karma]

what dous that mean

kinda new sorry

[delicate quail]

when you move that bone does the thing move with it?

[dim karma]

it deforms yes

[delicate quail]

I don't know what else could be wrong

[dim karma]

thats the problem no one knows whats wrong...

[dawn olive]

I know you

A little

Go look around Star Wars creators specifically

Might find answers with them

But I asked somebody

Set up your root transform

And turn on “Is Animated” in the settings physbones

Make sure to Ignore the bones that aren’t needed (anything not in the Kama)

Main ones to make sure it ignores is the legs, spine, and maybe arms

[wooden fable]

Just a correction, the collider doesn't affect how the physbone moves. Only what it collides with. So a tiny radius is harder to grab and move with your hands and less likely to collide with a nearby physbone collider, but a big one is easier to grab and is more likely to collide with a physbone collider

[delicate quail]

Thank you for the explanation 👍

[raw atlas]

@swift saddle hey bro I want to talk to you can we talk for a min?

[jovial magnet]

How do I make an avatar completely disappear? nameplate and all, like How gogo loco used to do it?

[robust whale]

animate it under the floor. beware this may cause the avatar to not reappear when the toggle is disabled

[jovial magnet]

How so under the floor? the entire Armature from the armature bone? or

[robust whale]

the way i've done it is using an additive animation to move the avatar under the floor from the hips

but this was on quest before constraints, so you may be able to get the same result from a parent constraint on the armature

[jovial magnet]

maybe.. tysm

and would the parameters be like how I would lock gestures?

[magic slate]

turn off your mesh renderers

(you can't hide nameplates though)

[cyan apex]

hiding or obscuring nameplates is also against vrc tos

[lyric cipher]

Unless you tell people to turn them off in settings you can't really do much. Srry broski

[dry zealot]

Just add a game object with a mesh component. No need to assign a mesh or material. Just empty.

I have an avatar with an offset option. But I keep the head above the ground.

https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_3105e3e5-dc7c-4c9e-9603-0fd0b9924e51

The current version of gogo freeze doesn't have that yet idk what to do with it

[robust whale]

ohh alright. might cause issues when optimizing for quest but good information, thank you

[daring yoke]

I Would like to say i know what im doing and can tell what errors mean but ive made 4 different projects and keep getting this error and im not sure what it is but i cant upload or see the validations and i know its cause this error (THIS IS ONLY ON THE ANDRIOD BUILD)

p.s the gesture manger has nothing to do with it

[magic slate]

"missing prefab" is weird, I wonder what that is

[daring yoke]

omg its almost like i said its not gesture manager because its not i use it all the time i know its not that that is not it i did fix it tho my scene was corrupted due to previous network error thanks tho captain obvious

maybe its the 3 errors around it! hehe '

[magic slate]

wow okay, good luck then.

[daring yoke]

its just a quest avatar i can just remake it have had to do it before thanks for the luck tho

[dry zealot]

no it just add 1 mesh

not skinned mesh

[summer parcel]

Can a quest user see the face tracking aspect of another users avatar? Just a question

[flint forge]

If it was setup correctly then yes.

Eye tracking would likely always work since that is just puppeting the eye look system.

[still tusk]

🙃

[delicate quail]

no transparency for you, cry

[flint forge]

Maybe one day they'll put in some disclaimer that it is meant for Quest worlds.

[arctic slate]

you should fix the gesture manager error then close a re-open your project and console for the fresh errors, it might actually list what the issue is because other then that one error theres no real indicator as to what the issue is

also no need to be a douche canoe to someone trying to help

[thick vault]

douche canoe wtf 😂 im keeping this

[daring yoke]

Again it wasn't gesture manger and he was the douche saying "oh I wonder what it could be" is so rude and douchy also the issue was already fixed if you took time to look I don't understand how y'all are so rude and expect people to kneel for u

I had gotten rid of the gesture manger thing and was still getting those 3 errors I use gesture manger all the time and know it's not that I just delete the prefab no issues I'm not stupid

but like I said i just redid the project I think it was corrupted due to network error

Sorry I'm so tired I just woke up and can't punctuate

[peak pendant]

Does anyone know a good tutorial for how to make a Quest follower?

[magic slate]

I was absolutely not trying to be rude, I was curious how that prefab got created, since it really shouldn't, but you're of course welcome to be obnoxious to someone actually trying to help. I'll be happy to ignore you going forward.

[muted pumice]

Or be polite clearly

[prisma shoal]

anyone familiar with this error?
Library\PackageCache\com.unity.collections@2.1.4\Unity.Collections\UnsafeParallelHashMap.cs(125,46): error CS0117: 'JobsUtility' does not contain a definition for 'ThreadIndexCount'
when building for android specifically, i get about a dozen of this sort of error followed by a few "failed to build avatar"s with unhelpful stack traces, even with no custom packages

update: whatever the cause may have been, reinstalling unity fixed it

[stiff summit]

did VRChat remove the limits for the amount of phys bones to upload for Quest?

[delicate quail]

can you upload over the limit?

[delicate quail]

not the we know of, but you're the second person to report experiencing that

[stiff summit]

I did and it freaked me out

[robust whale]

oh yeah, just happened earlier to my friend

i was teaching him how to upload avatars/helping him customize a base to match his sona and we uploaded the quest version just fine, then realized the physics don't work..

look in unity and somehow no error stopping us from uploading with 11 physbone components? just performance ranking saying 11 will be very poor and max is 8

solved the issue by removing some components, but weird it let him upload with more than the limit (although they were stripped in-game)

https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/physbone-component-error-on-android-build-target-validations-not-appearing

[true burrow]

https://www.deviantart.com/coeghepher/art/Ultraman-Z-Beta-Smash-1147718980

[signal idol]

Hello idk if this is the right place to ask but if anyone can make an avi for me that would be appreciated lol. It’s a street fighter character and if you wanna know more friend me plz

[karmic frost]

Where do you find the folders related to the vrc sdk? I checked both assets and packages but nothing is showing up in either even when making a new project.

[magic slate]

Packages/com.vrchat.*

[karmic frost]

I do apologize as I am very new to unity but do I search that in the packages folder within unity?

[delicate quail]

yes

[magic slate]

I assume you know how to find files on your computer

[karmic frost]

When searching the files of the project the folders, both com.vrchat.avatar and com.vrchat.base are present but they are still not showing up within the packages section of the actual unity project. I'm guessing there's some blatantly obvious thing which I am missing here.

[magic slate]

oh in the project window in Unity they have slightly different names, but really ought to be obvious

[karmic frost]

They'd be located here correct?

[magic slate]

See the eyeball at the upper right?

it's saying there are 25 items hidden

[karmic frost]

well shit that explains it, thank you so much for helping me with this really simple screw up on my part

[magic slate]

it's so not obvious

[novel marlin]

Before I could upload an avi to be chat and now I just can’t and it’s giving the “you must fix the issues listed above before you can upload build”. There are a lot less optimized avatars on vrc and my avatar was able to be uploaded just before, it just had the poor quality marked on it

How do I fix this so it lets me upload like before

[magic slate]

depends on what's blocking it

[novel marlin]

All stuff it had no problem with before

Like material slots and bone count

[magic slate]

we can't really help without some information

[torn moon]

the hardlimits have been updated a good while ago, that may be your issue, your uncompressed size maybe

poor quality wont prevent an upload, hard limits and incompatible shaders, components will tho

so def start there and lower textures where possible perhaps

u could ss the sdk menu and the console log, it could be something else too

[magic slate]

^ what I was asking for, yep

[novel marlin]

I looked at it and it was the same as before with no major issues just now it says I need to fix all errors above instead of just letting me upload with poor quality

I checked log and console and there’s no issues there either

All my shaders are mobile standard lite

Would high memory prevent me from even clicking the upload button at all?

[magic slate]

it says fix all errors but doesn't list an error?

[novel marlin]

It lists the errors but it’s just small stuff like 9 materials recommended 4

Let me just reload unity as a whole

[pliant elm]

face on the desk
has anyone been able to get through the new stricter Quest uploading requirements yet?.....
ive been trying to for a while...
and i havent bene able to get one avi up for quest in months...

[novel marlin]

You can get through them for some reason if you remove a specific package and just upload avi with very poor quality which is what I did before but when I cleared my library and tried to replicate it, it just didn’t work

Now I’m back to not uploading until I can fix it

Land I’ve found no help online for anything either

[arctic slate]

that sounds like your avatar isnt properly quest compatible, what do the stats/upload panel look like?

[pliant elm]

no errors i know that, but not being compatible is odd bc its an avi claiming to be quest compatible

[arctic slate]

<@&397642795457970181>

[arctic slate]

lots of avatars claim to be "quest compatible" but either dont get updated to fit the current limits or are just compatible in the sense that it doesnt use PC only scripts (some creators are also just scummy to where they intentionally make their content not instantly uploadable so that you'll pay them to upload to your account even though its against TOS)

gotta check that stuff ahead of time with the creator (or even other users like in #avatar-general )

[scenic raft]

just gonna post this here because it doesnt make sense lol.

[thick vault]

its a world shader

[pastel storm]

ouch

[spare void]

[steady idol]

Thats not an avatar shader

[prime tiger]

As for me:

NOW that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

[random comet]

Put t:renderer in your hierarchy search and look through each renderer that results in the hierarchy for a material using the wrong shader

[prime tiger]

I'll try that

Also do I need to upload my avatar to all three platforms in order to be able to use it as a Fallback?

[random comet]

Pretty sure it's just at least Quest and PC

[prime tiger]

Ok found it

that was due to two items I tagged as Editor Only that didn't have any material

And I confirm, only PC and Android are required for a fallback avatar

[scenic raft]

well it should be, only thing that did what i wanted it to 😂

[delicate quail]

i agree they should make the categories more obvious, separate worlds from avatars

[dim cove]

aren't world and avatar sdks seperate anyway? so why would they include world shaders into the avatars sdk?

[delicate quail]

i didn't know that, i've never looked into world upload

[dim cove]

they used to be in the same sdk back in the old days

[novel marlin]

I was able to upload with these errors before and it’s the quest version of the avatar but after clearing the library it won’t let me press the upload button because it’s says I must fix all errors before upload

[steady idol]

those arent errors

[novel marlin]

Well it’s still not letting me upload despite those only meaning the avatar had poor quality

[steady idol]

have you tried scrolling up

[broken mica]

I wonder if they will ever raise the 10 mb for quest

I hope they do

[random comet]

Unless the Quest 3/3S is mass adopted then most likely not

[ionic snow]

Is anyone able to texture paint this for me

for undr 50

[ionic snow]

meant to put this in #avatar-help

[torn moon]

is it already UVed?

[ionic snow]

I dont know how to do that

I literally know nothing

[arctic slate]

asking for commissions of any kind isnt allowed here

you can go to VRCTraders (link in #1204490664637890580 ) and look for someone there but asking here will only get you in trouble and get you scam DMs

[ionic snow]

Im sorry

[proud trail]

People should make more anime charactrs in suits

[flint forge]

Even if it was mass adopted it isn't like the Quest 3/s has enough RAM to spare.

But, I think they could drop the 10MB limit since the 40MB uncompressed limit is what actually matters.

[pastel storm]

deadass was going to ask the same question because I have an asset that claims to be quest compatible, thanks for answering lol

If only creators knew that it wasn't for avatars-

[torn moon]

some are whitelisted for quest, but yeah that one is not whitelisted

multiply works fine for quest, u can even get a slight transparent effect when used on meshes that have vertex colors (although it looks kinda poorly)

[wise pond]

Hey, so the documentation seemed to remove the helpful table of what happens when you exceed limits on Quest, and its been some months since I was in the swing of things, so I want to ask:

Is there still a hard-cap for particle systems on Quest? Not particles, the number of systems themselves.

Previously if you exceed, what was it... 4? Particle systems, all systems would get removed, even if the avatar was shown or some of the systems were disabled?

Current docs make no mention of this. (I know particle systems auto throw you into on Quest. I am not here to debate use cases.)

[coarse shard]

hello, im wondering how i would go about, converting a vroid avatar to vrchat while making it quest compatible

[arctic slate]

theres likely a few youtube videos out there that go over how to do that but mainly its stats need to be within the listed limits provided here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits (id aim for medium for the best playing experience)

iirc vroid relies on transparency for ALOT of stuff but that isnt supported on quest/iOs so you'd need to manually cutout or remove those sections of the mesh in blender

[coarse shard]

thats what i tried doing, i see the matrix i dont understand shit

[magic slate]

matrix?

[arctic slate]

yeah not quite sure what a "matrix" is in this case

maybe provide a screenshot of what you're looking at and stuck on?

[magic slate]

maybe the table of items on the performance ranking page?

[coarse shard]

meant, just amount od ui and stuff is overwhelming

[magic slate]

possibly we can help if you ask questions

[arctic slate]

the more specific your question the better someone can help

[coarse shard]

yeah i just don't know what menu i should be on to remove transparent layers

[magic slate]

not a menu, and there aren't transparent "layers" in Blender. have you worked with Blender before?

[coarse shard]

nope

[magic slate]

ah. it'd help to start with a basic tutorial

[coarse shard]

anytime i try changing the shader in unity black boxes show up around the eye

and eyebrow

[arctic slate]

because quest shaders dont support transparency

[magic slate]

yeah - if you're trying to use quest-compatible shaders, it's not - yeah that

[arctic slate]

your first step should always be finding a video that goes over the basics on how it works/what each thing does, in your case id look into specifically learning how to edit meshes and using the knife tool

[pastel storm]

can someone help me out with uploading an avi into unity

im so confuesed bruh

[delicate quail]

what's the step that you're struggling with?

[pastel storm]

all of it

like i have the avi

and i have VCC

and the right plugins

and idk how to use unity

[delicate quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8&t=46s

follow this

if you have questions about anything not mentioned there, ask them here

[pastel storm]

alr

[delicate quail]

that's for worlds