open-beta-discussion

[timber jewel]

0 = no collision

[mortal plume]

if there's only a single bone, you most likely need to adjust the end point

or add an extra end bone

[near grove]

Oh. It was like that with the base itself so I assumed it was fine. It just goes Boob Root - Breast Upper L and R

There’s no “end” bone

[timber jewel]

then you need to set an endpoint

[near grove]

Frick. No clue how to, but I do appreciate you answering me

I honestly really do appreciate it

[sour epoch]

You can also export with leaf bones from blender if you want to define everything there

[tender dome]

endpoint position

[timber jewel]

it's right there

[tender dome]

https://i.imgur.com/30dI3Ye.png

[near grove]

O

Sorryy ;_;

[tender dome]

[bright jungle]

you might be looking for #ik-2 o:

[cold jetty]

woops thanksp

[turbid saffron]

Some of the posts are hard to read or understand. I want to check OB again, but did the "dynamic bones that were off get turned into active physbones on runtime conversion" thing get resolved?

Or rather, how would you resolve something like that... ?

[umbral apex]

Instead of disabling the DB, disable the gameobject

[opal zinc]

I got the beta and things work really well! Im really excited for the full update to come out

[dark dune]

Has anyone had issues with physbone angle "flickering" like this? https://i.imgur.com/9p1g43X.mp4

That 0.144 value is even out of range of the bone's max angle, and we're able to reproduce it fairly consistently.

[lost zephyr]

Hello smart people :D

[shrewd estuary]

hello

[lost zephyr]

not you

[shrewd estuary]

:sadge:

[shrewd estuary]

i can assure you i am incredibly intelligent i know what 2+2 is its pineapple

[dark dune]

A clue! Resetting the scale seems to make the angle value more stable

[shrewd estuary]

the story develops!

full length puzzle game where it's just you trying to solve issues with your vrchat avatar dynamics

[swift garnet]

Hi, ever since switching back from the beta I can’t use anything in my actions menu on any avatar and I tried uninstalling vrc, my mods, and going to beta and back to the original again

(Im on index if that matters)

[wind flame]

When the beta isn't a beta anymore (if that happens) is it gonna update into normal vrc or is it gonna stay a beta?

[vivid hatch]

so you are asking if the beta will be a beta when its not a beta anymore ? x)

[small surge]

when its live , wich is after beta, when? no one know still some quirks to stamp out

[shrewd estuary]

when it's not in beta it goes out to the live branch (normal vrchat)

(which will be a while from now.)

[wind flame]

Just wondering bc i can't get the beta it doesn't let me bc I don't have the oculus app or steam so

[shrewd estuary]

ETA for release is: it'll be out when it's ready.

[wind flame]

Ty for the information

[dark dune]

Well, I opened a canny just in case. https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/physbone-angle-value-flickers-in-an-object-hierarchy-that-invovles-scale

[small surge]

Think the 1.1.1 scale was something they warned about awhile ago, uh dont remember where

[mossy python]

So with Dynamics Part 2 you will be able to drive world parameters with your avatar’s contact senders yes?

Or only the other way around

[silent bolt]

Heyo I am trying to download the open beta right now, but it is asking for a beta access code?

[hollow hatch]

on steam? that box can be left blank

[flat patrol]

might only be with the default collider

[silent bolt]

It said it was an invalid code.

[hollow hatch]

all you do is select the beta in the list, you don't do check code

[mossy python]

@floral flint is there any planned integration for contact senders/receivers to communicate with worlds?

[floral flint]

Yes, canny is marked as planned too I believe

[mossy python]

Excellent!

I plan on making a fully fledged save system using avatars that drive parameters upon entering the world

[hearty ore]

People are making awesome avatars i#using these

[dusty aspen]

So does anyone know how long the new avatar dynamics are going to be in open beta before being released to the public?

[shrewd estuary]

a while

at least a few more weeks

this is a pretty major update, it needs all the time it can get to cook in the oven.

[dusty aspen]

Okay, i want to try it out but a) i want to still join my friends and b) my pc is still in a box somewhere so im using my quest for now

[dusty aspen]

Oh ill bet, id rather wait then have it rushed and full of bugs

[shrewd estuary]

h

[barren wigeon]

How does the chip avatar keep the chips on the tip of the bones?

[shrewd estuary]

you can try to get your friends to switch to the beta as well

[dusty aspen]

True, thank you

[violet iron]

Momiji!

[jaunty herald]

where physbones

how get

[keen nova]

#open-beta-info
also https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/physbones

[warm cedar]

I recently asked someone if they were going to upgrade their avatar with physbones, they said "maybe".

You fool! the only right answer is yes.

[molten cobalt]

maybe point out the part in the documentation about Dynamic bones being deprecated so the person so they know they'll have to upgrade eventually or be at the whims of the audio converter

[dusty canopy]

Hay anyone know how to get out of the beta

[flat patrol]

[warm cedar]

Pc? Simply turn off the beta, On quest: Idk I don't own a quest

[graceful pendant]

on quest you have to delete it on the MAIN ACCOUNT OWNERs profile and reinstall there

the 2nd accounts are just shared app holders

[wheat fjord]

What does "tracked internally" in the canny mean?

[floral flint]

That there's an internal task tracking that issue/request

[wheat fjord]

So you're guys are just watching that request then?

[floral flint]

[warm cedar]

They are looking around for the issue, mainly before they start working on it

[wheat fjord]

Is it possible AD will take longer than a month (from now) to go to full release?

[floral flint]

It's a possibility yes

[wheat fjord]

How about 2 months?

[floral flint]

We're trying to go as fast as we can, but things take time, especially when we want to do them well

[wheat fjord]

3.0 took like 9 months, do you think this will take that long?

[floral flint]

Those two systems are nowhere near in terms of complexity, so no

[warm cedar]

Unless some security bug magically appears

UsinG PhysBOnes to Heck Ur DatA

[wheat fjord]

🤦‍♀️

[warm cedar]

Don't forget VRchat is running Unity, magical bugs are not uncommon

[molten cobalt]

it's a good thing we don't have a casting system or there would be a lot more magic bugs

[final ferry]

Casting system?

[molten cobalt]

Magic

like a spellcaster

[warm cedar]

The game would BECOME a magic bug

[final ferry]

We use particles

For magic

If you're talking about raycasting, there's a limited version of that

[warm cedar]

[{< Unity moment >}]

[near grove]

Just wondering but when a quest user as myself goes onto the open beta version I can't see anyone else, is this a bug or am I doing something wrong

[timber jewel]

The beta isn't network compatible, so you can only see people who are also on the beta

[near grove]

Well damn

Is it temporary at least?

[autumn dagger]

I dont know why this is happening but Assets\VRCSDK\Dependencies\VRChat\Editor\Components\AutoAddSpatialAudioComponents.cs(204,54): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Components' does not exist in the namespace 'VRC.SDK3' (are you missing an assembly reference?)

[devout sapphire]

why the hell is this a thing?: i make a fist and the animation keeps playing, whereas in live servers it works how i want it; an animation that plays WHILST i'm doing fist, but in physbones beta the animation just stays on? tf?

[devout sapphire]

edit: turns out you need all your gestures to have Write Defaults ON. all of mine were off, fixed the problem.

[zinc bough]

hi ive been told u can use the new dynmic system to activate paremters? but couldent find how any1 can explain or direct me to where it explains that?

[final ferry]

You use float to activate parameters

[gusty forge]

For future reference, write defaults will make unity return to the original state before the animation in question was played after it finishes so in this case, if you close your eyes on fist gesture, your eyes will go back to normal when you dont have a fist gesture active. If you decide to turn it off, you will have to copy unity's built in reset system as stated above so for a fist gesture, you'll have to reset it after the gesture is finished or it will get stuck.

This is at least as far as I know so I might be a bit wrong here and there

[sweet dragon]

I have a question meaby a little dump but still bothers me. So how exactly the parameters will be handle. That grabing will be build in the system or I will be forced to set this up in parameters on avatar ( still new to beta ). I thing if i need to optimise my parameters...

[prime zealot]

Question is it a sepreate package for physbones and if so where do we purchase or get them

[sweet dragon]

physic bones is a beta of vrc and it will be build in the sdk (if you ment dynamic bones (whitch is the script whtich handles it rn you need to buy it)

[fallow rock]

it's just the sdk in #open-beta-announcements, Build 1183

[prime zealot]

Oooooo I thought us have to buy a while package for it

[fallow rock]

It's the in house solution to secondary movement to it's all free just like osc

[lapis urchin]

Wish the open beta was live so I could play with friends during it even if they couldn’t see or interact with my bones

[outer python]

same here man same here

[candid slate]

im having strange uploading issues after unity crashed during an upload. was working fine beforehand

now it is failing to upload the asset bundle

[outer python]

maybe try clearing/unlinking the avatar ID

as if it crashed during the first upload it will have assigned one before actually uploading it and since it already has one now for a avatar that does not exist it sees it as a id for a avatar not uploaded by your account

[candid slate]

ive tried it with a different one and the same one with a different pipeline id and its still upset

[outer python]

odd

[candid slate]

quite, idk what happened. I feel like vrc is still expecting something from me on the earlier upload when it crashed

[outer python]

i hate to say it but you might have to start fresh but wait for some other responses first as i am nowhere near an expert

[candid slate]

mmhmm

[outer python]

maybe if so then it should fix itself eventually

[small surge]

See if console is spamming any errors , yellow/red

by spam i mean 500+ of them (collapse)

Had one that gave me 2-3000+ was some bone somethingsomething but fixed it

[candid slate]

non only a few

I think ill just have to wait a bit but idk

[fluid peak]

raycasting on avatars? eyo?

may you share the secret of the raycasting?

[dense jasper]

nothing is showing up in my builder...

[dusk pagoda]

https://github.com/VRLabs/Raycast-Prefab

needs finalik though, but its proven to be very useful for the AD test project ive been working on

[fluid peak]

oh its the grounder thing

[dusk pagoda]

yeah

[fluid peak]

yeah made my own version of it, but really wanted to be able to collide with players

oh well, one can dream to get such tech one day

[dim siren]

Hello, I have a question. for physic bone, we already have an idea of ​​what the performance ranks will be for PC and QUEST?

[proud vault]

Yes, you can find the values on the VRChat docs site. just be sure to switch to the Beta version in the top left to see physic bones listed

[molten cobalt]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

https://i.gyazo.com/1c358ac1c6b3050cfa5ff4f5c88e7a0b.png pc

Quest https://i.gyazo.com/6dc0dc18abc4ada9bfc84bda36646316.png

[dim siren]

Oooooo 🥰🥰🥰🥰

Thanks!!!!!🥰🥰🥰🥰

[thin mountain]

So i only has odd question

this is about the triggers

specifically OnEnter
I am trying to get it so all I have to do is slap a button fast. and have it trigger.
but
as soon it is slap its register but resets too fast for the animation control to act

it seems I have to slap it few times before it it properly actives

I would make smoll comment about maybe add timer trigger. were as soon as its touch has timer before it auto resets?
or if anyone knows any tricks to make it work tell me

[proud vault]

Are you saying the animation controller is not processing during the two frames you hit the button so it never sees the parameter change?

[thin mountain]

nevermind? I think figure out what is "wrong"

I am trying to use on enter as a stage system with animations that loop and have exit time.

for way little test is working is this
Deactive (not looping) > activing (not looping) > active (Not looping) > Idle state (is looping) > deactiving (not looping) > deactive

my issue is triggering between deactive to activing

and Idle to deactiving.

the parameter is being set off.

It takes few hits to start the first trigger
but the one with looping animation that is issue for time wise. for all these animations have exit time so they can complete their animation. (i am picky and enjoy fluid animation)

so recommendation to those who make stage based animations as example
sentry gun
deactive > active > idle > de active
use constant or maybe proxy.
for on enter doesnt work as well as I thought it would. because it needs the animation to not have looping or no exit time
for issue i ran into isnt a trigger rather animation

Simply put. timing between it looping back into itself and going to another animation is issue. so ya. I am dumb

[flat patrol]

@molten cobalt wait wasn't boundary 4x4x4 medium before ?

[mellow sigil]

wait so if ur inj the beta can u switch back to normal?

[shrewd estuary]

yes

you do it the same way you got into the beta

[mellow sigil]

uhhhh never joined beta just asking questions haha

[simple oar]

Quest open beta has a problem

I cant switch back to the live

[hollow hatch]

It's known, and there isn't anything that VRChat can do about it, it is an issue with how the Quest system handles changing build channels

[candid slate]

still having the uploading issue

even so on a completely different unity project

[hollow hatch]

Have you gotten errors, sharing them helps figure out the issue

[candid slate]

yeah i mentioned earlier today, its just asset bundle upload failed

it happened after a unity crash during upload earlier today

[hollow hatch]

Move to #user-support-old for help on this as it shouldn't be beta sdk related. Share a screenshot of the console, the whole window, not just a cropped part of a small section with the one error you say you have

[vestal vigil]

uhh

[tribal sleet]

There should be "grab" exclusions in the SDK for the elements you don't want to be pull-able

For example if your hair and ears were children of a parent bone and you wanted someone to be able to grab your ears but not your hair

[gritty salmon]

why not just split into separate components

[tribal sleet]

Obviously you could just use two scripts for this but it would still be a helpful feature to implement

[tribal sleet]

Didn't let me finish typing

[gritty salmon]

sure, but that's likely to add a lot of complexity, so... why?

the devs are more likely to implement features with a compelling description of why it's worth the implementation cost, runtime overhead, and conceptual complexity

here it seems to me there's a simple workaround that probably actually makes your setup more organized

[tribal sleet]

With all due respect, it was simply a suggestion for a feature I personally thought would be helpful and did not warrant such a lengthy breakdown of why the idea was bad or whether or not a workaround makes it subjectively more organized. Personally I like to have as few scripts to manage as possible on my model and it made sense as a use-case for scenarios such as my or on many other models that feature both hair and ears under the same hierarchy. Neither you nor I know the code behind physbones nor do we know whether or not it would be complex to implement in the slightest or if it would even add any amount of runtime overhead

[gritty salmon]

I agree that we don't know how phys bones works. But when writing a feature request, keep in mind the AB problem - you have some problem A, you think of solution B, and feature request that. But wouldn't it be more useful to state problem A - the motivation for not wanting more components - so that the developers can consider other solutions to your problem, and can understand why it's important to solve it?

I have no particular stake in this feature request, so I don't care either way, but being clear about why this is important to you will help your case.

[vestal gale]

Feature makes potential sense to me to be implemented so

[abstract rose]

Is there any way to get back to live on quest 2?

[brave forge]

yes let me get a link

[slender ocean]

lol so the changes you make to the colliders on the descriptor don't seem to actually do anything in game, nice nice

[brave forge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/switch-to-live-from-beta-oculus-temp-fix

[small surge]

The contacts? they are mostly for others to hit collide with , like a bat

[abstract rose]

Thanks

[brave forge]

Np

[small surge]

want to trigger something when someone step on it, they have contact on feet set up

[sonic field]

when is the avatar dynamics open beta gonna be in the live build?

[small surge]

no one know, my guess still april sometime

[sonic field]

man i wish it comes out sooner

cause its so fucking good ngl

[small surge]

its also buggy if you check canny

[sonic field]

really? i haven't had any major issues or bugs with it?

whats buggy with it

[small surge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta go read 🐇 im to lazy, we really want int/bools for recivers/contacts for one

[timber jewel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta?sort=top

[sonic field]

ah kk

[small surge]

I have a output log that will grow to insane size after 25 min from watching the spam of PhysBoneManager::UpdateCollidersForChain - Max collider records , 536mb in 25 min

since i tend to be on vrchat 16-30 hours sometime i dunno how large that file will be

(yes i dont sleep sometime)

[sonic field]

jesus 16-30 hours

tf are you doing for 16-30 hours on vrchat

[celest parcel]

Hi, a buddy of mine got the Open-Beta, and is trying to disable it, any way he can do that?

[sonic field]

just click the none option

[thorny haven]

My automatically converted physbones for the hair move in the exact opposite direction from where they're supposed to be going; is there an easy way to inverse this without having to recreate every script?

[celest parcel]

On Quest sorry, I should've specified

[modest ivy]

change the version back through the oculus app/website and reinstall

[sonic field]

oh idk then

[sonic field]

rn no you have to re do the hair it was the same for me on my models

some models are lucky and they work fine right away out of the box and some dont

[small surge]

If the dynbone get converted and is on a humanoid one, it does odd things, not sure if thats why you get that tho, havnt seen any of my avs do that (120~ ish)

[timber jewel]

Phys Bones allow the root bone to rotate which is why it doesn't work. If that’s the case I would recommend to put all of the things that should be effected by Phys Bones in an empty object and set the root bone as that empty object.

[dim cloak]

Actually, from the explanation I've been given about how physbones are calculated now, splitting up into more scripts (within reason) allows for the calculations to be split across more cores as each component can then go on a different core. So it's actually beneficial (again case by case scenario) to have more than one script sometimes, even if it ends up being a bit more cluttered or annoying to deal with.

[hard pond]

#open-beta-info
#open-beta-announcements

[brave forge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/switch-to-live-from-beta-oculus-temp-fix

[celest parcel]

Thank you! i will send it to him

[brave forge]

np

[patent tapir]

So I want to make it so this microphone prop on an avatar can use colliders to interact with others' bones. I have the collider on it, do I need to do anything else for it to work? (ex. if I hit someone's hair with the microphone it will move)

[hearty ore]

Yeah I am pretty sure it’s called a physbones collider just search phys in search and also hi I’m drill-x

And I’m a stupid quest man who is stuck in beta

[carmine vector]

Have you turned the version back to live before you uninstalled vrchat? then installing it back. i was stuck and that's what got me out of it. But Idunno. :L

[hearty ore]

Yeah

It does a missing data download

Missing the beta content

Corrupting all of it restarting the download and installing until it is beta

[half onyx]

is it safe to assume the new vrcsdk beta will be similar at launch and compatible

like if I made an avatar with it now

it wouldn't break in the update

[sour epoch]

yes, that's safe to assume. There were breaking changes during the closed beta but by now it's a pretty good bet that there won't be any more

[half onyx]

is there any way I could import the sdk to an old avatar file and it wouldn't break

I haven't tried

[sour epoch]

yeah, just do it

well assuming the avatar is already SDK3

[half onyx]

yeah

[sour epoch]

if the avatar was using SDK2, there's a whole migration process. But SDK3 to SDK3 + avatar dynamics is no big deal. There's even a tool to automatically convert dynamic bones to physbones

[half onyx]

manually? or it just does

[sour epoch]

there are buttons to do it in the vrchat > utilities section and also in the upload panel

[bright pewter]

And if you have dynamic bones in the project and upload it without converting, it will convert them ingame as well.

though, youre better off doing it in unity, and adjusting

[near grove]

Playing with AD stuff:
I set up a contact so if you have your right hand in the area and make a fist, it turns on the mesh renderer for an object. If you put your hand back into that same area and do open hand, it turns off the mesh renderer.

Or, it's supposed to. And it does, when testing in Unity. I can put my tester R Hand in the zone and set the GestureRight param to 1 (fist) and boom, the mesh renderer turns on. Perfect.

I used the Test Avatar function, and in-game, nothing happens. It doesn't turn the mesh renderer on, and I can't figure out why.

[dry topaz]

@gaunt kite needs to know how to get the new bones working on models 😳

[carmine moat]

hey, does anyone know if the issue were animating phys bone parameter don't work will be fixed ?

[gaunt kite]

I didn't say that

(but yes, i do need to know)

is there already any tutorial up or?

[dry topaz]

hehehe

[twilit sigil]

so like if im setting up some outfits to swap between how would i make it so it turns off one outfit button when i press another?

[dry topaz]

the way i saw it done was to define a set of outfit integer params for each accessory slot

i have a character that swaps between models like this

avatar*

[twilit sigil]

so like the int for each model should be 1 2 3 4?

also dont know why i put this in beta discussion oof

[dry topaz]

https://i.imgur.com/C4XXb3M.png

[twilit sigil]

ahhh ok

[dry topaz]

u know how to do the web thingie to get the param to change the model?

google would help if nah cause i've not done it myself before 😦

[twilit sigil]

are you asking if i know how to setup the transitions for it?

i think is what your asking?

[dry topaz]

yes those arrows and such, the fact you know what it's called bodes well for your chances lol

[twilit sigil]

thank you for your help ill see how this goes lol

so could i by chance get a pic of your web?

[dry topaz]

npnp, hmu in dms and mssg av3 help next time tho >:V

[dry topaz]

hm,. lemme see lol

[twilit sigil]

you good to move to dms? so we dont have too much in the wrong channel lol?

[analog violet]

Does anyone know any phys bones avatars?

[mossy python]

Time to fuck with some PvP avatars

[warm cedar]

👀

[final ferry]

There should be some in the beta world

[analog violet]

Wheres that?

Is it just called beta world?

[analog violet]

?

[final ferry]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_f995a2eb-7ddc-4558-aef1-815c3b23df6c

Avatar Dynamics Hub

[neat swift]

Hi I was just wondering if anyone knows when the open beta becomes apart of the full game

[limber quartz]

When it’s ready basically.

[neat swift]

Is there a specific date it should be? I kinda got stuck in the open beta

[limber quartz]

No confirmed date yet. You on Quest or Steam?

[neat swift]

Oculus

[limber quartz]

Hmm, have you tried the steps listed here?

#open-beta-info message

Just in reverse basically

[neat swift]

No I haven't thank you

[shrewd heron]

some of the avatars that i have saved when changing into them i kinda break the whole avatar and these are the dynamic avatars that i have found from friends. is there a reason for this or is it a bug? and also is anyone else experancing this?

[timber jewel]

Do those Avatars have a Dynamic / Phys Bone component on any of the humanoid bones (e.g. hip, head, ...)? Or do they have one of these set as a root Dynamic / Phys Bone?

Phys Bones allow the root bone to rotate which would break these setups. If that’s the case I would recommend to put all of the things that should be effected by Phys Bones in an empty object and set the root bone as that empty object.

Avatars often have the head set as a root Dynamic / Pyhs bone for all the stuff that is on the head

[shrewd heron]

it does have a phys Bone componet at the hip and the head.

[timber jewel]

or on the hip

yeah that's not going to work

as I said, Phys Bones allow the root bone to rotate which menas putting a Phys Bone on the hip or head doesn work

an easy fix would be to create an empty object and put all the stuff that should be effacted by it in that empty object

so right clicking on the hip > create empty > add the Phys Bone script > put all the stuff in that empty object

[shrewd heron]

Okay probloem being i am on oculus so i have no idea how to fix it also i just fix it my rejoining the world hecause for some weird reason that seems to fix it also are root dymantic a diffent collour when viewing then on the avatar dymanics menu under config or are they trhe same

also is there any way to get friends who dont have open beta on the world or to get on to their instances while in open beta on the oculus.

[timber jewel]

the open beta is not Network Compatible, this means if you are on the beta, you can only see people who are also on the beta

so you wont be able to see friends who are on live

[near grove]

Okay, I've been messing about with more AD nonsense, and I'm not sure if this is specifically an AD issue or a general "I'm a dufus" avatar setup thing

• Avatar has a Contacts Receiver that will play a brief sound upon contact from Hands. The receiver type is Constant.
• The animation activates the Audio Source component that is attached to an empty GameObject. (The GameObject is always active)
• The criteria on the transitions set up in the layer in the FX controller are:
  Activate Conditions: [Ding] [Greater] [0.5]
  Deactivate Conditions: [Ding] [Less] [0.5]
• Has Exit Time is Checked. Exit Time and Transition Duration are both 0 on activation and deactivation transitions.

In-game, the audio will play upon touching the contact region exactly like I want it to...once. And never again. Not until you reset the avatar.

What have I set up incorrectly?

(Side note: It doesn't activate the sound at all if I try using OnEnter w/ Min Velocity = 0, thus why I went with Constant, which should deactivate when they take their hand away.)

[timber jewel]

has Exit time is why it only plays so short, has exit time should be turned off

I would also recomend to use Equals = 1 and Equals = 0

[near grove]

Equals is not an option with a Float.

Also, the sound is playing, and sounds fine. It plays the whole sound and works perfectly once. It just never plays it again.

[timber jewel]

oh yeah ups my bad xD

[small surge]

greater + less = specific number (annoying tho)

you can then use that to drive a paramter

[near grove]

Testing in-game with debug and visible contacts, the contact turns green when the hand collider meets it, every time, and the Ding parameter goes to 1.00. The hand collider goes away, no more green, Ding goes to 0.00.
But the sound plays just once, and never again, despite the above being true every time.

[timber jewel]

can you send a screenshot of your Animator setup

[near grove]

The animation itself is just checking the box to activate the Audio Source on the GameObject.

[timber jewel]

I would really recomend to uncheck has Exit time

Has Exit time means that it will just do the transition without any parameters to change

(after the set exit time of course)

@near grove

[near grove]

Alrighty, I'll give that a try and see how it goes!

[timber jewel]

At the moment you can't but that will come in the future

As also mentioned here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181question-will-physbones-be-made-available-for-worlds

[humble arch]

Here's to hoping that IK sync for OSC will be a thing

[marble blaze]

hm

[near grove]

@timber jewel Unfortunately, no good. Exit Time is turned off for all transitions and the bell rings, but still only just the one time.

[timber jewel]

Hm, do you have Play on Awake turned on on the Audio source?

And do you toggle the Audio Source or the object the Audio Source is on?

[near grove]

1. Yep!
2. The audio source, not the object

[timber jewel]

really weird

the only I dead I have left is to put the Auido Source on an object and only toggle the object and not the audio soruce it self

at least that's how I do it

[near grove]

Though with further testing, I wonder if there's some issue with transitioning back to the wait state in general, for multiple of my animations...

Testing some AD contacts that involve changing a blend shape doesn't revert the blend shape back to default, despite using VRC Animator Tracking Control on the Wait state to specifically tell it to use Tracking instead of Animation

[timber jewel]

Is write defaults turned on ?

[near grove]

Yes, on all of them.

[timber jewel]

Hmmmm

[near grove]

It's driving me nuts, because similar contact animations on a different avatar are working as intended, just not on this one.

Re: blend shapes

[timber jewel]

Yeah, I'm also a bit out of ideas

[near grove]

Additionally, an animation to turn on a mesh renderer is completely not activating at all with a contact that involves R Hand in a region + gesture x_X

[timber jewel]

Do you only is a turn on animation and left the "wait" empty?

[near grove]

Wait is empty, yes

[timber jewel]

maybe try to make an turn off animation for the Auido source

I never needed it, but one of my friends only got it to work that way

[near grove]

Worth a shot. This particular avatar is really giving me a headache for multiple things, lol.

[timber jewel]

let me know if it worked ^^

[near grove]

Okay, adding an animation state/animation that specifically turns off the audio source seems to make it work. I had to do the same with the contacts that change blend shapes. I don't know if this is unique to contacts and it will have to be done every time, but it does the job.

[timber jewel]

Yeah on my Avatar I don't need to do that, but my friend needs to do it on his to make stuff work

kinda weird, but hey, at least it works

[hexed summit]

How do i add Physbones on my current avatar?

I wanna have hair physics

[small surge]

Go into unity with open beta sdk add it

[drowsy reef]

@bright jungle im using 2019.4.31f1 and i just started a new project

[bright jungle]

right-click the VRChat SDK in the asset browser and hit Reimport? that's odd o:

[drowsy reef]

tried it

didnt work

[near grove]

just wondering as a quest, how do you get it?

[drowsy reef]

the open beta?

[bright jungle]

See the top of #open-beta-info c:

[bright jungle]

make sure you have the burst 1.4.11 and mathematics 1.2.5 packages imported?

[near grove]

Thanks but I still have a problem, some of my avatars when I use them they just stand completely still and I see kinda in 3 person

Is there a way I could fix it?

[bright jungle]

known issue afaik, try restarting and/or reinstalling the game

[near grove]

Alright thanks I’ll do that!

[drowsy reef]

how do i check that?

[bright jungle]

go to Window > Package Manager and search for both

[drowsy reef]

yeah i got them

[bright jungle]

not entirely sure then, sorry o:

[near grove]

So apparently Receivers that use Proximity can't be capsule-shaped. Bug or feature?

Looks like it was reported on the Canny with multiple upvotes, so seems to be a bug.

[slender ocean]

Likely a feature, hard to calculate proximity on something that isn't a point

[near grove]

In which case, perhaps they can include an if/then so a capsule+proximity combo can't be created on a Contact

[strange willow]

Question when’s will the beta come out for everyone

[bright jungle]

no ETA, but when it's ready

[rain lagoon]

oof, phys bones gizmos are pretty laggy in the scene view @w@, compared to dyn bones at least

wait, i keep getting this error spam

i click clear and it starts stacking up again super fast

[wintry scroll]

yes, I checked that canny after pulling my hair out. The benefit, because it does work in editor, is that you can basically limit changes along a differing axis by moving along the thin axis. Basically this makes implementing sliders easier.

I then found another bug https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-const-inside-proxmity-trigger-causes-unusual-animator-behavior-and-causes-u

[wild rover]

i was wondering do you need dynamic bones in order to use phys bones

[molten cobalt]

you do not require Dynamic bones installed to utilize physics bones

having Dynamic bones installed only helps with auto converting from Dynamic to physics in the unity editor

[gray grove]

Can wait for someone to realize that they cant get out of beta lol

Unless they reset quest

[near grove]

Leave the beta, uninstall and reinstall

Done it for testing on my own device

[gray grove]

Oki

[tired hill]

People have been complaining about that for like 2 weeks now

[gray grove]

For my friend doesnt work

Lel

[near grove]

If that doesn't work, then my only assumption is because my device is Organization based

[tired hill]

Some people have been factory resetting their quests and that fixes it, haven't tested it myself so I'm not for sure that works.

[near grove]

Imma blame that one on Meta

[gray grove]

Meh i have pc thankfully

Me too

[near grove]

F**k Meta Store, all my homies hate Meta Store

[wintry scroll]

Hopefully we get constraints on quest soon. You can really do a lot with physbones when you use them alongside constraints.

Like if you aren't using collision or grab you can take a chain of a hundred+ hair bones, and only physBones the longest chain and rotation constrain the rest of the bones.

That was already done with dynamic bones

but because physBones do rotation calculation, you can use a position constraint to get solely movement without rotation.

there is the benefit as well you can just turn off an axis of movement

[warm cedar]

we should create a canny for it

(If it doesn't already exist)

[wintry scroll]

let me repost the existing one

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-constrains-on-quest

[warm cedar]

I agree with this, I had to remove all the fun from my quest version because of Parentconstraints

[wintry scroll]

but right now I'm using constraints on my avatars chest to control how much it moves and rotates individually. But also it allows me to have collision because I turned off z axis movement so I literally can't push my avatars boobs into my own body.

[outer python]

cant wait for the avatar dynamics to hit live compatible

[wintry scroll]

I'm excited as well, I want people on pc to try it and if they can reupload their avatar with it if they need to.

[grave topaz]

any idea when it will be live? i have 12 avatars for sale that are broken with the phybones and 8 others i want to fix as well so i was wondering if theres any time frame so i can try to plan around that as much as possible

[wintry scroll]

I don't expect it to be soon, but also you can't be sure. Like a couple months of more, but also no idea it may be less. What platform are you using. I have a booth and I know you can offer multiple downloads wihich can be toggled per download, So you can potentially prep it for download or offer a phsbones option now.

[strange spoke]

yeah it could be a month, could be 2

[grave topaz]

i use payhip so they dont have a multiple options part. but i was thinking of just updating them now in preparation i just dont want to much to change and them be broken again lol

[wintry scroll]

Maybe prep the unity files and have them ready for upload

[grave topaz]

good idea thank you!

[lunar pecan]

The open beta describes WHAT you can set up but never describes HOW to set it up or even get the open beta on quest

[bright jungle]

It does - see the top of #open-beta-info c:

adding them to an avatar is pretty simple - select a bone, click Add Component in the inspector, and search for "phys"

[wintry scroll]

Once you get the sdk you can follow my tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4MTUG9KhVA

there are also a couple on youtube on the senders and receivers.

[bright jungle]

also https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/latest-release

[umbral apex]

For physbone buttons, does the bone need to exist on the fbx or can I just add a gameobject to the armature?

[wintry scroll]

you can make gameobjects, that is what I usually do

[wheat fjord]

I already upvoted this. I do quest port a majority of my content. Not having constraints really makes some feature porting impossible so I'd like to see this feature become compatible.

[umbral apex]

can emoji be triggered in any way other than from the action menu or quick menu?

[outer python]

has there been any hints when this may be live compatable

[limber quartz]

Not yet.

[molten cobalt]

no

never have a release date for when they're live they just go live whenever the developers feel like it

[timber jewel]

It's more of an when it's stable enough for a live release rather than when they feel like it

[tired crest]

I wonder if some issues have been remedied or updated as a lot of my avatars are broken

[mint geyser]

Do you think we'll be able to have something that spawns a prop when interacted with? IE a stranger reaches into your avatars magician top hat and pulls out a bunch of flowers.

[outer python]

maybe but cant do flowers gotta go a rabit

[mint geyser]

XD very fair! Couldn't think of a better hypothetical

[stray flicker]

no, the flowers seem possible, if you make it so that the flowers have their own physbone (considering how you can configure it so other people can pose your bones and all)

[mint geyser]

Oh yes that's a point! A hidden thing that becomes visible upon interaction them can be posed around (aka being held by someone) sounds like a good way to do it atm

[small surge]

could try Detect IfGrabbed = 0 trigger world constraint where they left it, likely look odd if you start moving tho since its also a bone ,dunno not tried

[mint geyser]

Mmm OK when I get around to making the avatar ill give it a go

[sullen elk]

Hihi, if I have a model that was uploaded with AD on it.
And I try to load into it on the Main build (not beta)
Will it work like a completely normal avatar just no AD?

[surreal pier]

yes

[hazy geode]

I look at the feedback and I see progress on bug fixes

Can't wait for the update. ^w^

[hearty ore]

They should add a toggle of bones should have drag.

[hazy fable]

im having troubles with vrmode with physbone (i'm on quest) i believe this is a problem w my unity project, but when I upload the avatar in vrmode I am stuck in an animation pose

[dense merlin]

any ideas when the dynamics will come to the base game? or has that not been said anywhere yet

[warm cedar]

Give or take 3 months, that's my prediction, if not longer

[hollow hatch]

It will be out when it is ready

[glossy basalt]

Small video I found a bug in the beta with dynamic bones colliding with each other. when I turn to just dynamic instead of physbone dynamics it's fixed so not sure how I'd report this.

[near grove]

I see a new world out called avatar dynamics and I can’t for the life of me figure out how to turn it on quest

[mortal surge]

A rundown of the way to get in on Quest is in the #open-beta-info thread. Just note that it is not Live Compatable, ie you can only join and play with people who are ALSO on the beta. To play with people outside, you'll have to go back to Live.

Avatar Dynamics world is for the new Open Beta.

[near grove]

Oh ok thanks so it’s that way just for testing for now or?

[scenic phoenix]

You can join that world on live but the avatars functions don’t work unless your on the beta if you need help going to it I can help ya

[mortal surge]

Yeah, for right now the Avatar Dynamics are in Beta and not Live for testing. At some point in the future, when the devs consider it "as done as it can be" it will leave beta and all will get to enjoy these new features.

For now, they are they if you'd like to help test, get a head start on making avatars, or simply wish to try them out!

[hearty ore]

May I ask a silly question?

[limber quartz]

#open-beta-discussion message

Gonna start linking to Spark’s comment anytime anyone asks about a release date :v

[hearty ore]

I am wanting to figure out what physbones I can use for toggles

[dense merlin]

ooh thanks. i never saw that message as it wasnt something easy to find XD

[rough latch]

Hello, so I'm trying to figure out the whole grabbing items situation and what I want is an item to appear in front of me. So I can then grab it or let anyone else grab onto it.

This is currently my set up and its not working

[small surge]

Set a radius or its hard to grab

[remote seal]

Is there a seperate thing you need to download for physbones, or is it part of the sdk?

[marble tiger]

It's a part of the SDK

[remote seal]

Ok thank you!

[delicate lintel]

Does anyone have any beta models I could clone later?

[hearty ore]

I got some but it’s cally3D so no sorry

Am wanting to ask what contacts I could add to them if I should add contact revivers

[short jasper]

Someone needs to make ears that make rubber hose sounds when you stretch them

[young stream]

omg yes

[hearty ore]

Oh hell ya

[drowsy elbow]

When is the beta over

[flat patrol]

F̸o̷r̴ ̷t̸h̴i̶s̴ ̷B̵e̵t̵a̷ ̷?̵ ̴.̵ ̷M̸a̷y̵b̴e̴ ̷s̸o̶m̶e̷ ̶m̴o̸r̶e̵ ̶w̷e̶e̵k̶s̶.̵ ̷W̴h̴o̶ ̸k̵n̵o̶w̵s̵.̷

[drowsy elbow]

Ah reasonable or maybe never

[reef dome]

A shame that you can’t join anyone whilst you’re in beta mode

[drowsy elbow]

True which sucks but if you just get all your homies to go in beta it’s not that bad

I don’t go in publics at all anymore so I’m just staying in beta until it’s over

[reef dome]

Public lobbies are a gamble
You either have good/amazing people, assholes, crashers, or just your normal black cat lobby

[drowsy elbow]

Yup so I’m good with the friends I have now bc any public I go in people are disrespectful they just think there the shit

[reef dome]

Oh
And racist too

[muted bloom]

Make it scrub through the sound from the stretch rate, as well as pitch it down a little the longer the stretch is

Than a whack sound when you let go if it was stretched a lot

[solar wren]

how would you do this im very tempted now

[hexed salmon]

How can i join the open beta?

[near grove]

vrchat properties in steam library

[hexed salmon]

Hm I see, I think I did it properly cuz I’m on quest rn

[muted bloom]

You can make an animation that controls and audio source’s pitch and put it on a blend tree that monitors the stretch value of the phys bone

[bright jungle]

See the top of #open-beta-info c:

[solar wren]

is there a video that sorta shows how to do it before i mess something up?

[muted bloom]

Honestly I doubt it… that’s very specific

[near grove]

hey i'm having a bit of trouble with the physbone colliders as they don't seem to be working at all

[muted bloom]

Your Phys bone must have some radius (not zero) in order to be collideable, and the collider must be added to the collider list on the phys bone

Also watch out for what part of the avatar the collider is attached to since you need it to follow a specific body part

[tender dome]

to this day i still dont understand what curves do https://i.imgur.com/H3QlJxB.png

[timber jewel]

with them you can have different values per bone in the chain

so the left side is the start of the chain and the right side is the end of the chain

at least that's how I understood it @tender dome

[strange spoke]

yeah basically

[timber jewel]

it's basically a multiplier of the value you set above

[strange spoke]

you can count how many bones are on that chain you but the phys bone component on, and then the graph can be imagined like each bone is separated evenly among the graph, so if you wanted the first bones to have more pull than the end of the bones, you'd make the graph slope downwards

[timber jewel]

yup

[strange spoke]

if you have 3 bones, then the left side of the graph will be bone 1, middle will be bone 2, and right side will be bone 3

[tender dome]

pog, thanks

[twin musk]

Help, I put colliders in my legs but my skirt just flies through them when I move the model, as if they aren't even there

[strange spoke]

is the skirt a cloth or does it have phys bones?

[twin musk]

Physics bones

[strange spoke]

have you made sure to put the leg colliders in the collider category inside the phys bone settings?

[twin musk]

Yeah

"Use Colliders" is checked and I have the two legs on the list

If I move the legs themselves they work, but if I move the model the skirt just "lags behind" and flies through them

[near grove]

i was curious, when do you think beta will go live? ive been stuck in the beta and just wonderin how long im going to be in here

[timber jewel]

maybe a month or two, there is no real ETA and there are still a lot of feedback / bug reports on the canny

[near grove]

okay good to know, ive asked a few different people and they all have different answers, ranging from a week-months

[timber jewel]

cause nobody really knows xD

[bright jungle]

no ETA, but "when it's ready" is a good guess

[hollow hatch]

Some time between now and next year

[timber jewel]

"end of summer" xD

[rain lagoon]

why does the tongue do that @w@
i checked "is animated" and stuff?

[timber jewel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1183-small-pull-does-not-work-if-parent-of-the-phys-bone-root-is-moved-scaled

[solar wren]

i have a boop button basically on my avatar, if you touch it my facial expression changes and it says boop on my head, in game it works perfectly fine for me but when other people do it (quest or pc) it doesnt work at all for them, any reason for this?

[muted bloom]

So you see it happen when they touch you but they don’t see it happen when they touch you

Or do you not see it either

[solar wren]

i can see it

they cannot

[hearty ore]

can I have that video about contacts

[swift pulsar]

seems if theres multiple avatars in the Project, the auto conversion only applies to the first selected one leaving a unsupported component behind (in the case of a Quest build, this means a Project that leaves a customizable + presets, it will prevent you from uploading the selected avatar till you remove everything BUT the one your working on/Remove DynamicBones from the others,

[near grove]

When is the beta coming to the full version?

[near grove]

scroll up a lil bit we just talked about that ^^

[bright jungle]

in short, no ETA, it'll be out when it's ready c:

[humble pulsar]

It’ll be out in 2022 ^^

[timber jewel]

2077*

[narrow stone]

Quick question guys

Soo, to use those PhysBones I need to install different Unity version? If yes, where can I find this info?

[timber jewel]

yay, update

[hollow hatch]

You use the same version that you used for the current live release, 2019.4.31

[narrow stone]

oh okay, thanks

[bright jungle]

pog

[unkempt crag]

...are the emotes just gone? or moved?

[soft mason]

so im guessing people know the issue where avis with dynamic bones components on the main armature ends up locking the avatar’s movement when converted to phys bones

wonder how thats going to be fixed

[sudden basalt]

It's still accessible through Wings, Action Menu, as normal

[muted bloom]

Are permissions still bi-directional? (interaction is always mutual?)

[lethal oracle]

Anyone had this problem? Can't grab bones in play mode

[spice garden]

your camera must be tagged as main camera

[sullen vigil]

I know a surprising amount of people that are not gonna be happy with that one 👀 but I guess they'll get used to it.

[lethal oracle]

Thanks!

[muted bloom]

Hasn't it had a message saying they're going to be moved for quite a while? :p

[wraith island]

what was the issue on this?

Fixed issues with DB to PB conversion when DB was placed on humanoid bones

[sudden basalt]

no worries, it's in Open Beta. I'd encourage them to submit feedback as normal and we'll still review it

[fallen oxide]

I still want a way to disable other's being able to see your own debug information

[tender dome]

odd choice to replace the emojis button

[near grove]

how do u get open beta for queest

[tender dome]

#open-beta-info

[rain lagoon]

thxx

[raven laurel]

emoji button moved hmmmm

[vestal vigil]

open beta update, nice!

[near grove]

Just after I got finished updating my baby too

[pliant thorn]

What is a meta quest?

[wraith island]

vrchat already calling it meta quest

[vestal vigil]

its the renaming of the oculus quest

[wraith island]

oculus quest

[near grove]

Oculus rebranding

[vestal vigil]

basically meta absorbing oculus

[sullen vigil]

i thought Facebook became meta tho. not oculus?

[wraith island]

oculus > meta

[gilded stream]

What did you do to the baby? 👀

[crimson spire]

facebook owns quest

[wind talon]

We've been calling it the Meta Quest for a few months now 🤔

[pliant thorn]

Ok so what’s the difference of oculus quest and meta quest?

[vestal vigil]

oculus quest is a bit more iconic

[wind talon]

There is none

[raven laurel]

oculus merged into meta

[near grove]

Added in a AIO Liquid Cooler, r9 5900X, and some more fans.

[wraith island]

for me its still oculus

[pliant thorn]

Then what is the purpose🤣

[hollow hatch]

Official branding

[vestal vigil]

I so want the vrcat in the VRC menu to be able to walk around in it and do cat things

[near grove]

Again, rebranding

[crimson spire]

does oculus still exist?

[near grove]

No, Oculus is Meta

[iron geode]

😂

[sullen vigil]

still hate their new name.

tho it is fitting for them.. cuz it's all Meta Data now 👀

[pliant thorn]

I mean I have two headsets one has a blue turn on sequence and one with the normal quest loading

[wraith island]

the program on my pc is still oculus, it still says oculus at booting up my quest and on the quest so for me its still oculus

[pliant thorn]

So I guess I get both the iconic and the new

[vestal vigil]

I was so sad when a big fat figure eight encumbered my screen as I turned on my quest 2

[crimson spire]

Meta means dead anyways

[timber jewel]

I have an open world
https://vrchat.com/home/launch?worldId=wrld_f995a2eb-7ddc-4558-aef1-815c3b23df6c&instanceId=93222~region(eu)

[near grove]

Metaverse... Pfffft more like Petrabytres of Metadata stored of you on the Meta API.

[vestal vigil]

soon meta will know if you're straight or not without needing you to say so directly

[muted bloom]

Hm... switched to steam beta and it downloaded 1183

[sullen vigil]

it already does. it just doesn't tell you it does..

[vestal vigil]

oof

[obsidian wagon]

meta called me a gay man🥲

[sullen vigil]

Meta collects enough Data to figure out if you're gay before you find out yourself

[near grove]

They will also need to know
Your Blood Type
Your Daily Diet
Your ... (etc 57 more)

At least valve just wants me for what games I am interested in.

[muted bloom]

My 10+ year old google account thought I was a woman. I'm not even trans or anything lol

[limber quartz]

#open-beta-discussion message

[near grove]

This is a good thing, break the data collector

[plain orchid]

with is animated's warning, does that mean it can affect perf rank?

[gilded stream]

That's the general rule with any form of rendering.

[plain orchid]

that doesnt answer my question

[gilded stream]

Oops, I suppose it doesn't

[near grove]

I do not think that it will affect perf. rank as of yet, but I do believe we might have numbers of limits soon.

[sullen vigil]

pretty sure we already have those numbers. they where posted like a week ago already.

[lime yarrow]

I think the is animated thing affects performance in the sense that the bone has to update it's root position every frame or something

[spark shadow]

anyone else dynamic bone interactions dont work, like the avis in the dynamic bone hub dont work, they dont have any bones. and yes my bones arent limited

[near grove]

For isAnimated flagged bones?

[lime yarrow]

So it's probably kind of taxing if you have a bunch of them?

[lime yarrow]

Are you in the beta?

[gilded stream]

• Added performance warning when turning IsAnimated on a VRCPhysBone component

I don't think specifically for this yet.

[spark shadow]

yes i am

[near grove]

now are you in the RIGHT beta, as there are two releases
The IK_Beta for, well, IK
and the Current Beta for your PhysBones needs

[spark shadow]

aaa tysm , it fixed it

[near grove]

No problema!

[tender dome]

yes, because its updating the rest position every frame

[gilded stream]

I think the specific question was whether it was going to affect Good, Medium, Poor type ranks.

[plain orchid]

yeah it makes perfect sense that its somewhat performant

[tender dome]

oh, no it doesnt affect perf rank

[plain orchid]

but i have multiple puppeteering controls for the tail and ears so i use is animated for multiple scripts

so i just want to make sure i dont make it too intensive

this didnt seem too bad with db but idk about pb

[velvet flax]

• Avatar Interaction permission now defaults to Everybody instead of Friends

honestly should be set back to friends, main reason being forcing that will just allow another degree of trolling

[ionic bison]

Everything is hard on perf with DB

[gilded stream]

I mean, can't you just turn it off the same way you would have turned it on?

[plain orchid]

i know its very painful to do anything with it

but what about pb

[velvet flax]

yes but my point stands that just forcing the default to everyone allows a new degree of troll's to happen

[gilded stream]

Seems like a minor annoyance than anything else. Once you get trolled enough, you'll just turn it to friends only.

[rough spoke]

For people who were curious about the warning on IsAnimated

[regal pond]

dose the auto convert only work on 3.0 SDK avatars?

or dose it try to work on SDK2 avatars

like the in-client convert

[plain orchid]

in game it works on both

[hearty ore]

Im trying to make a slapable Physbone but it wont activate

wait nv,

hold on

Yeah

I have my on enter and minimum speed 0.25 and when I test it in play it wont activate the sphere

but it is on a physbone

[muted bloom]

SDK2 avatars will be auto-converted, yes. They will be given default contact senders and phys bone colliders on the hands as well, which will collide with EVERY converted phys bone on the avatar. Disable self-interact in options to avoid it if the avatar doesn't play well with these automatic colliders. converted dynbone colliders will still collide where they have been set up to

[hearty ore]

Yeah I can't figure it out

I need

help

[viral crescent]

can someone tell me more about the new physbone system, like I was always uploading avatars with already build in dynamic bones, so if Im gonna still use the dynamic bones does the avatars gonna work with new phys bones if yes what about quest version of it ?

[abstract haven]

yo any update of how to get out of open beta

im kinda stuck in that mode 😅

[upper mountain]

Quest?

[heady panther]

I just updated from https://files.vrchat.cloud/sdk/VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.03.10.14.12_Public.unitypackage to https://files.vrchat.cloud/sdk/VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.03.18.16.13_Public.unitypackage

And now I just get this - with the SDK no longer able to function.

[abstract haven]

Yea

[upper mountain]

#open-beta-announcements

[humble pulsar]

You have to remove the old SDK completely then import the new one. I believe just sticking the new one on top of it breaks it

[abstract haven]

already tried

it doesnt work ;-;

[shrewd estuary]

yay tupperware said the thing

[viral crescent]

do the same as you did with making your vrchat open-beta but switch it to live version and then reinstall your vrchat if your doing it on oculus

[abstract haven]

ight

thx ^^

[viral crescent]

did it worked ?

[abstract haven]

trying it now

[viral crescent]

okey

and realy, someone does need to make a video of how to do it since alot of people are getting in to this problem lately, like how to switch to beta and back

[abstract haven]

It worked thanks ^^

[viral crescent]

np

[fresh notch]

https://fxtwitter.com/HighTaleVRC/status/1504917193162645510?s=20&t=Jx9w9nEbQ2Iy97mN171jEg

So I did the avi
But the stretch option for the armature bones makes them stretch too far after letting go when they're stretched the first time

Similar thing happens when you toggle the whole script off once the bones were stretched
The position they were left at is their new rest position
So you can keep stretching the bones further like that

But maybe the toggle issue was fixed by now idk
It used to be there

[timber jewel]

is this from 1183 or 1184?

[fresh notch]

Can't check atm sorry
I'm at work

But if it's an sdk version issue I'll have to update then

[timber jewel]

okay then it's from 1183

[fresh notch]

Ah

[timber jewel]

a few things were fixed with 1184

which released like 40 min ago

[fresh notch]

Aaaah

Soon after I tweeted that haha

[heady panther]

I'll give that a go!
Edit: That did the trick

[hearty ore]

is on enter a float?

Cuz Im trying to interact with it and it won't work

[surreal pier]

#open-beta-announcements message

[hearty ore]

Is the on enter script a float?

[surreal pier]

why do you ask me?

[hearty ore]

Idk

I thought you may know im

not very bright

[timber jewel]

there is documentation for it, and yes it is

[surreal pier]

I'm not sure if it is, but you can also just quickly test it I suppose

[timber jewel]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/contacts

[hearty ore]

Ok

I asked due to a interaction is wiggin out

and as I test it it wont activate something

[inner kayak]

Added a new button to the Quick Menu dashboard for setting Avatar Interaction, replacing the Emotes button
i smile as that damn emote button dies

[surreal pier]

enable debugging and see what it does

[hearty ore]

I feel proud

I will not say what it does but it works

[hearty ore]

Can I make a and gate in vrc?

[knotty gulch]

Me and some friends are in beta, but we can't join each other

There's two of us stuck together and another two stuck, and neither pair can see the other

[final ferry]

Are you trying to make animation where you need two things to be activated

If so, it's been there for awhile now

[hearty ore]

Uh Its a thing using physbones

two physbones being pulled to max streach

to activate something.

[final ferry]

It takes a bit of empty objects and parenting so I won't be too hard

[hearty ore]

oh

Ima read the rules rq

[sour epoch]

you can make basic logic gates with parameters and transition conditions. When you make a state transition, all the parameters must be fulfilled so anything in one transition is effectively an AND gate. If you make multiple transitions going between the same states, only one of them needs to be fulfilled, which is effectively an OR gate

[hollow hatch]

You all need to be in the same beta, the IK beta and the AD beta are not the same. IK is live compatible, AD beta is not.

[hearty ore]

Ok

[knotty gulch]

Yeah, the two just messaged me saying they didn't update their beta today

[hollow hatch]

There is that too

[near grove]

i super appreciate this, thank you

Hello im new here i do have one question to ask does anyone know a confirmed release of the full beta or are we not even close?

[humble pulsar]

I’m assuming you mean the live release? Then no, there is no confirmed release date yet

[near grove]

Thank you for the info

[timber plinth]

huh???/

randomly now on the new SDK the performance rating became "excellent/good" for quest

i think maybe something in my sdk broke and its using PC perf ranking

[modest ivy]

wait it's like that on the sdk too??

uh oh

[timber plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657545944136417280/954578266826608680/unknown.png

lol

it used to be ranked as Poor

[modest ivy]

it's using pc performance ranks in game too i reported it already

[timber plinth]

nice

[modest ivy]

but that's weird that it's also on sdk

[bright pewter]

15k and above should be medium

[timber plinth]

now i can actually upload a decent looking fallback

🤔

[timber plinth]

pretty sure the sdk is also used inside of the client so that would make sense

[modest ivy]

oh actually that's yeah

[warm silo]

I'm happy they finally fixed the head collider bug

[timber plinth]

the shader whitelist seems to be working still

but they probably just missed some sort of filter for perf rank

[limber quartz]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1184-interaction-icon-feedback-dynamic-swap-to-handshake-icon-when-perms-is-gran

[limber quartz]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1184-tooltips-for-selecting-global-avatar-dynamics-permissions-is-mismatched-in

[regal pond]

did this new sdk break Quest Avatar ratings?

[modest ivy]

Yes

[regal pond]

casue it's letting me amking somthing that was once Poor (19k poly) as Excelent

as if it has it's PC Limits

[near grove]

is there any way to change the phys bone collision radius' shape type to a sphere?

the collision radius being a cylinder is creating a big problemo where when i'm moving the model it creates a very unpleasant fluttering motion

[inner kayak]

collision mirror seems to not like avatar not being at 0,0,0

[open mountain]

i cant leave open beta

[near grove]

make sure ur not in offline mode

[open mountain]

wdym

[near grove]

steam client being in offline mode prevents u from updating game when u switch to a different version

[open mountain]

im on quest

[near grove]

o donno then

[lavish pendant]

#open-beta-announcements message

[flat patrol]

Well. Keep your avatar a 0,0,0

Some practice seen weird.

A pose character. Dynamic bone a humanoid bone. Scale a model in a scene. And so on. How can it go wrong.

[bright pewter]

You cant stop me adding hundreds of avatars in one scene!

[inner kayak]

you’ve described a ferret avatar

A pose, dynamic bone on spine, scaled to 0.06.

[flat patrol]

No

[inner kayak]

i refuse 👎

[flat patrol]

You refuse,

[floral flint]

I hope it never gets overwritten or corrupted

[short jasper]

If you make individual scenes for each avatar you can open multiple scenes at once by right clicking the other scene(s) you want open and then clicking "Open Scene Additive"

It's incredibly useful and I highly recommend it to anyone who makes avatars

(Also don't have to worry about laggy scenes/long loading times)

[hybrid lion]

avatar interactions default to everyone
rip

Get ready for harrassment guys

[limber quartz]

Finally gonna have to make use of personal space in publics. 😛

[hybrid lion]

Is there better friend detection systems now with av dynamics?

i mean toggling it to friend only would be the most effective way but still, i wanna differentiate with what friends and everyone can do

[limber quartz]

you mean this? https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-allow-option-to-toggle-onoff-dynamic-perms-on-a-per-user-basis

[hybrid lion]

Thats weird but ok

I meant a friend detection in av3

can currently done with hacks with the camera system and some shaders / render techniques on pconly

[earnest rivet]

does anyone know if there are any tools for converting dyn bones to physbones in unity?

[void oracle]

So.. DB->PB convert is being further improved right? Tested it on my avi today. But well.. it literally broke everything except for the ears 😦
On further digging I found that some DB are simply not replaced by PB. Those just got deleted. Like hair and tail.
Collider positions do not seem to match either. Looks like they are all off by a bit. Am I maybe missing something I should prepare before converting? Does anyone got any tips what I should look at before converting to minimize the fatal impact?

[void oracle]

Latest test sdk has a menu entry for that in the SDK menu

[earnest rivet]

thanks

[flat patrol]

Kind of sus. What kind of friends you have in your list.

[warm cedar]

Quick question, the VRCparameterdriver, could it be used on 1 platform to send a network update to the other?
E.G on pc, I have an animation that plays, and it has a VRCparameterdriver that sets my bool "Knife", and on my Quest FX layer, I check if "Knife" is true, would the animation play on quest? I'm assuming yes, but I'd love to see if anyone else tried this already

I'm going to test this out in the beta, will post the results

[void oracle]

I think I read that it will work as long as the parameter name is the same on both versions.

[warm cedar]

yeah it worked

good to know that's possuble

[timber jewel]

is there a way for me to test this in Unity it self?

(the stretch parameter)

[uneven terrace]

How do I get into the open beta

[fallow rock]

Can you grab and stretch it in the Game window when simulating?

[timber jewel]

yeah of course I can

[timber jewel]

#open-beta-info

[velvet flax]

i dont think those are ment to look like that

i dont even rememeber how i set those up orginaly aswell so i cant check on a beta sdk upload

[timber jewel]

I fell like my stretch isn't working

well I was just dumb

[timber jewel]

this thing is fully stretched, but the float is still at 0

[timber jewel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1184-small-max-stretch-doesnt-work-with-stretch-parameter

[umbral scaffold]

I have a question. Is dynamic bones and physbones are gonna be able on every single avatar soon on quest?

[timber jewel]

Phys Bones yes, Dynamic Bones no

Dynamic Bones are replaced by Phys Bones

[glossy yew]

Why can other people not see this?

I want to walk up to someone and say ‘Don’t click the red button!’

Also, I am curious, when does the update go to the live channel?

[warm cedar]

This will teach people to stop pulling the cord

[limber quartz]

#open-beta-discussion message

[modern burrow]

in play mode i try to click and drag the new phys bones and they stay still and throw this error at me what do i do

[warm cedar]

The camera you use, needs to be tagged as MainCamera

It's a pretty common issue, don't worry

[modern burrow]

?

it is

[warm cedar]

Yes

that

[modern burrow]

yea still not workin :/

[warm cedar]

well i'd say show a video but I don't think that's necessary, that is odd

[modern burrow]

i can vc if you want

dont have to tho ill figure something out

[warm cedar]

I need to test my avi right now so I can't, sorry bud

[modern burrow]

oh okay

its fine

[umbral scaffold]

Like every single avatars? Even the old ones?

[wicked coral]

Old quest uploads dont have dynamic bones on them because they weren't allowed. They would need to be re-uploaded with phys bones

[umbral scaffold]

Oof

Thanks

[wintry scroll]

omg I love it

[warm cedar]

A lot of people love it, Too much. I'm getting abused even more now xD

[bright jungle]

awh lmao

[wintry scroll]

I set up something similar with my demo naga https://twitter.com/McPhersonsound/status/1500552255518351360?s=20&t=Rs6oQu7q8ck1HTJCIF-Z4A

Garrett “akalink” McPherson (@McPhersonsound)

making progress with avatar dynamics. Using stretch parameter to make the character visibly uncomfortable when you pull her hair

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 6, 2022, 7:21 PM

[warm cedar]

Okay look, now it's VERY obvious to stop

[warm cedar]

We need more of this
#stopavatarabuse

[limber quartz]

Phys bones will be supported on Quest due to being leagues more performant then dyn bones.

[umbral scaffold]

Ooh Thankiee

[stiff acorn]

IIRC, PhysBones on Quest will have the same or similar perf rank limits as Dynamic Bones on PC.

So, you can't go crazy with them.

[burnt wave]

ayo how can i enable db if im using oculus with link since im running vrchat through steamvr and cant enable beta on it?

[near grove]

Where do you go for questions relating to like, not being able to go back into the most recent patch?

[burnt wave]

maybe im not understanding how everything works smo help plz

🙏

[bright jungle]

Here - assuming you're on Quest, switch to Live, uninstall the game, and reinstall it. If that doesn't work, wait a couple hours before reinstalling c:

[bright jungle]

See the top of #open-beta-info c:

[near grove]

I've done that, the only issue is it isn't letting me reinstall

[bright jungle]

restart the Quest? o:

[near grove]

Alright, I'll try that! Get back to you if it doesn't work

[burnt wave]

theres not option when i right click on it or click 3 dots

when i right click steam vr to access properties

[near grove]

Nope! I'm gonna try to uninstall some other stuff, maybe it's that

[worn quarry]

#open-beta-info

[burnt wave]

i did

it wont show properties

[bright jungle]

maybe, but Oculus' handling of other branches is known to be buggy, as noted in #open-beta-announcements - could wait a bit and see if it's fixed with time o:

[worn quarry]

Also you are not supposed to look for SteamVR, but VRChat.

[burnt wave]

but im running vrchat through steam vr

[worn quarry]

You installed VRChat through Steam or Oculus?

[burnt wave]

steam

[worn quarry]

Then do it in Steam.

[burnt wave]

enable beta in steam?

hows that work

[worn quarry]

Switching branches of VRChat has nothing to do with SteamVR.

[burnt wave]

yes it does my client wont show in oculus version of steam

vrchat

my b

it says unknown sources and i cant right click nothing happens

[worn quarry]

Because you installed VRChat through Steam, not Oculus.

[timber jewel]

you need to change the version in Steam

not Oculus

[burnt wave]

how do i fix it

[worn quarry]

Switch to the Beta build in Steam by right-clicking your entry for VRChat in Steam, select the Properties menu, and click the Beta tab on the left. Select Open Beta from the dropdown list. Press OK, and Steam will update you to the latest version of the Open Beta.

[burnt wave]

ok thanks so much

its there

is oculus or steam open vr better

unrelated to forum but yk

[worn quarry]

Performance-wise running Oculus version is better, since it shouldn't run SteamVR.

But for example now IK 2.0 beta is Steam only.

It's not available on Oculus.

[burnt wave]

ok and 1 more thing how do i stop vrchat from sometimes limiting my frames to 60 or 75 ive tried everything

messed with my drivers, steam options, etc

sometimes it runs 120hz fine in every world and sometimes limits even if i restart steam vr or oculus or my pc

on

ive went to windows and made steamvr servers, composter, vrchat and oculus as high performance

[worn quarry]

On Oculus headsets you would need to disable Asynchronous Spacewarp with OculusDebugTool.

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/native/pc/asynchronous-spacewarp/

iirc

[burnt wave]

omg really

pls work

ive been dealing with this sh for forever

idc ab antialiasing

or whatever tf its doinng

[worn quarry]

Both SteamVR and Oculus headsets by default halve framerate when a game is not able to run at headset's native refresh rate.

So for example if it can't run 90fps, it will instantly go rendering at 45fps, then 30fps and so on.

[burnt wave]

is there a way to disable in steamvr too?

i had it to auto

[worn quarry]

I think with an Oculus headset it's not required, but I only owned a Rift S in the past.

No idea how it works with Quest.

[burnt wave]

ill lyk if it still does it in a sec

information is power ;p

is not being able to disable antialiasing or advanced filters in oculus part of being a developer or something?

the switch wont flip and ive reset even my operating system and downgraded to windows 10

being a quest user is not fun xD

wow my game looks absolutely amazing wtf

its like a whole different game i wonder if it was the oculus setting or the beta

yep no limit

thanks so much

[signal condor]

yoyo question, why is is that when i attach a physbone script to a bone, it doesnt jiggle, no movement or nothin

it converted over from dynamic bones, and doesnt show any sort of collider radius or anything until i put an empty gameobject on it

[hallow mauve]

How do you use this option on quest?

[signal condor]

oculus app > menu(bottom right) > my library > VRChat > scroll down to version and tap > change live to open-beta >uninstal and reinstall vrchat

[hallow mauve]

Thanks

[proven oxide]

if its a single bone, the script doesnt detect it because it doesnt have an endpoint
you can set one on the script or, like you’ve been doing, add an empty gameobject so the script can see where the bone ends (aka an endpoint)

idk how to explain it too well

but basically you need multiple bones for the script to work, or else it just wont work on a single bone

[elder cairn]

HMM

[signal condor]

heres the thing, it still doesnt work even if i set an endpoint or create another gameobject thats a child of the original bone

[hearty ore]

So wait is the beta ending tomarrow?

[signal condor]

nvm, its working now

[bright jungle]

There's no ETA, it'll be out when it's out

as always there's tons of rumors and conjecture everywhere about the beta/game in general

[hearty ore]

ok

[wheat fjord]

It'll be out when all the bugs are fixed. Check the feedback canny for those bugs

So far they've released a new beta every week. Guess we'll find out on Friday if that trend continues

[hearty ore]

Ok

[signal condor]

also is an avatar loading in and being stuck in its idle pose a normal glitch thats happening with this update?

[dawn crown]

Anyone know why my ears does this? The ears gets miss aligned once its in play mode and well...does not behave like it should

[mossy python]

Gee y’know VRC this Dynamics update would be a wonderful time to let Quest users upload Bone Constraints since y’all have said they’re coming soon for the… oh I don’t know… last year and a half?

[inner kayak]

vote and leave feedback on canny

they would be really nice, but they would probably promote the use of multiple meshes/skinned meshes, which Quest already heavily restricts

i assume that’s why they are hesitant to add

[mossy python]

Let’s be real do you think anyone is gonna vote for it lmao

[inner kayak]

i mean 100+ people did

[mossy python]

Fair

[inner kayak]

front page of AD canny

plus the 2 other duplicates with around 100~ votes in quest creators and feature requests

[mossy python]

Most of the time it seems Quest issues just get swept under the rug due to most creators not making Quest content primarily

[inner kayak]

it’s wanted by many

[inner kayak]

that’s also due to little reporting

but optimized quest creators are very few, so i see how their voices get burried

[mossy python]

Yeah

[inner kayak]

sadly, quest “creators” just beg for PC avatars, shaders, and transparency

stuff that the mobile platform just can’t do well

and that’s what gets attention on the canny

which burrows burries the actual issues

[mossy python]

The only shader thing I would like on Quest is incorporating a shader that supports normal maps and matcaps at the same time

[inner kayak]

that would be nice

[mossy python]

Other than that Standard Lite and Matcap Lit service me just fine 99% of the time

[inner kayak]

id be down for more dedicated mobile shaders

and maybe at least one that supports hue

[mossy python]

Standard Lite does

[inner kayak]

that’s the color property

not hue

it’s not the same

[mossy python]

Well for Emission at least

[inner kayak]

i guess

but i’d rather not glow full bright everywhere

[mossy python]

Yeah that’s fair

[inner kayak]

and matcap lit with cell shading is what i use the most

standard lite just does not work in many worlds on quest without emission

[mossy python]

That’s my second most used

Most used for me is Standard Lite with custom smoothness and normal maps

[inner kayak]

i just can’t use standard lite on my face

i don’t like seeing the shadow of my nose from straight on

[dense jasper]

pardon

[inner kayak]

predictive text bad

[mossy python]

Use custom normals

That’s what I did for the eyes of the model in my pfp

It has concave anime-style eyes but I used a data transfer modifier to transfer the normals of a subdivided cube

You could easily do that to flatten your avatar’s nose

[inner kayak]

maybe in the future, but i’m good with the soft look matcap lit provides me

[mossy python]

That’s fair

[inner kayak]

that’s good to know though

forgot data transfer did more than weights

[mossy python]

I used Matcap Lit on my Kris avatar to give it more sprite-like shading

[restive tapir]

is it safe to update the beta SDK directly or do i have to do something special?

[final ferry]

Directly is fine

[warm silo]

Is the increase to Quest preformance limits permanent?

[sour epoch]

no, that's a bug

[modest tartan]

How come i enabled the beta version but when i go to join friends it send me to a world by myself each time?

[hasty crater]

The Physicsbones open beta is not network compatible with the live version of the game.

[modest tartan]

Thank you alias!

[unkempt finch]

Hello this might be a dumb question but how did u enable your unity game mode to interact with ur bones like that to test?

[small surge]

game window, be sure camera has tag set up right (default one does, custom does not)

[unkempt finch]

Gotcha, does the main camera position matter in VRC when uploading?

[small surge]

nope

[unkempt finch]

Epic thank u

[timber plinth]

no it spawns something called VRCCam that is based on where the avatar is

u can use scripts to move the camera like u can in the editor

u can also use vrcx and upload a custom image thumbnail for your avatar if u don’t want to use the camera

[mental marsh]

Anyone think it will fully come out next week or the one after?

[inner kayak]

december 6th, 1792