open-beta-discussion

[quaint geode]

but scaling the model this way may make it so the grab radius is more accurate

[sonic wing]

Yea bc they were just moving like dynamic bones and it didn't react to my hands for others on my ears or tail

[quaint geode]

oh, you of course need to have interactions turned on for both players for players to move around their bones

you can test if bones can be moved/grabbed in Unity too

Main Camera in scene (or a Camera tagged as Main Camera), enter *play mode, click on game view, click and drag with mouse

and of course PhyBones with Radius larger than 0

[timber plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657545944136417280/952635727626252399/unknown.png?.gif

https://i.gyazo.com/a522f126928396630a1dd6c33ccf9fc2.mp4

kinda wish stretching was less scuffed though

[jovial sedge]

I don't think it can really be helped sadly

maybe making the parts you want to stretch a bit higher poly would help them look a bit better

[timber plinth]

that is not the issue

[unkempt finch]

Having an issue where I have an Avatar Parameter Driver that wont give me the check box despite it playing the animation and having the value check box checked. Does it just not work in play mode?

[timber plinth]

the issue is that stretching is awful

it doesnt work very well with angle limits, and the limbs are supposed to stretch way farther, but only do so when grabbed at the base

[jovial sedge]

ooh

[timber plinth]

don’t think so, but contacts and physbones should

[jovial sedge]

I never really noticed because I've only got physbones on stuff like hair and whatnot

[timber plinth]

use Build & Test on desktop mode

stretching also has an incredibly annoying bug

[unkempt finch]

Im trying to have an object have two different positions using a parent constraint but it doesnt sync with other people good

[timber plinth]

since theres no way to reset the pose of things unless u grab them, if u disable the scripts it will break the chains if they were still being grabbed

for example the robot avatar on the hub

if u stretch the antenna while theyre being blown up, it will be bugged out when they reset

[timber plinth]

why do u need a param driver

use a bool to control the directionality of the object

[unkempt finch]

Was reccomended by a friend, using the Sender and recivers to have a joint on my face that moves to my hand and back but apperently its turning the Float into a Boolean which causes it to desync with people

[timber plinth]

and 2 animations, each changing the weight matrix of the parent constraint

[unkempt finch]

I think thats how I have it setup

[timber plinth]

jointhead?

[unkempt finch]

The animation is it swapping the 1 and 0

[timber plinth]

and yea that should work fine

but u can do it in the expression menu with a param

[unkempt finch]

I wanna do it with the senders though

Thats been the whole challenge

[timber plinth]

use param driver and test in game

[unkempt finch]

Is doing it without a menu

[unkempt finch]

Ah so it only wokrs within game? Sorry still very new at all this

[timber plinth]

if ContactVariable and FistGesture

yea i think so i don’t think they ever fixed that

which is funny because contacts and physbones work entirely in unity

[quaint geode]

I didn't even know you could do it that way, I would always use two different constraints and turn one off and the other on, oops (incase it wasn't clear, I think your setup is better)

[final ferry]

How many weeks until the beta is over?

[unkempt finch]

it did end up working ingame so would recomend

[karmic anvil]

Hey I have a friend who is on Quest 2 that somehow got into the open beta, but now they can't figure out how to get back to the live version of the game. Can someone help me figure out how to do this? I don't have a quest so I can't help them out from experience and I can't find anything on how to join the beta except through SteamVR.

[coarse cape]

i have the same problem too im sorry i cant help :((

[karmic anvil]

Dang

[coarse cape]

yeah now i cant play with the friends that don’t have open beta for some reason

[karmic anvil]

If your friend and you both have the beta, can you play together? Or is all networking in general disabled on the beta version? I haven't actually tried to meet anyone in the beta build yet.

[coarse cape]

i think so. when i joined a public world besides the one that showcases the beta update nobody was there so im not really sure right now

[quaint geode]

have you tried setting the game version to live, then uninstalling and reinstalling VRChat?
(if you have multiple accounts on the Quest, try to do this on the primary account or the account that installed VRChat)

[karmic anvil]

How would you do this on an Oculus Quest 2? I know how to swap to beta and vice versa on PCVR, but no idea on Oculus Quest 2

[quaint geode]

the same directions they used to enable the beta (at the top of #open-beta-info ), but except set the version to live instead of beta

but they would need to uninstall and reinstall after doing that part above

and of course, on the primary account on the device if possible... or the account that installed VRChat

[karmic anvil]

Ah ok, thanks for that info. Maybe they can finally play with everyone again here soon lol

[quaint geode]

good luck :3 hope it goes well

[karmic anvil]

thankies

[ocean token]

When I join open beta all worlds are empty. this normal?

[quaint geode]

the current OpenBeta is not network compatible: so you will only be able to see other players on the beta, and cannot see players on the normal live version

if you're looking for other players on the beta and/or avatars with PhyBones and the new stuff, try checking out Avatar Dynamics Hub (search "dynamics" in the world search)

[timber plinth]

one problem also

is there a way to prevent grabbing locally for certain physbones

https://i.gyazo.com/a522f126928396630a1dd6c33ccf9fc2.mp4

i made my limbs grabbable but that also makes me grab my own arms every time

the only way im thinking is to set the collider size to 0 with an isLocal animation

[quaint geode]

I was just about to mention something similar

Local only animation affecting the PhyBone settings for grabbable and such

[timber plinth]

ok looks like thats what i gots to do

[quaint geode]

but I haven't tested it at all, I have no clue what can be changed with animations

[timber plinth]

for Grabbable the issue there is idk if it would work for others still

probably but i can test

[quaint geode]

yeah will definitely have to do testing

[timber plinth]

would be great though if i could disable it for the opposite hand using tags

could still grab my opposite arm

or just adjust the stupid grabbing bubble

[quaint geode]

yeah somebody else was asking earlier if there was a way to scale the grabbing bubble

[timber plinth]

i also had a bug where if i crouch down my entire avatar vanishes

[quaint geode]

there might be a silly way to scale it by changing your import model scale settings, then scaling up or down the model size on the scene

but may lead to other oddities

[timber plinth]

oh hell no

[quaint geode]

XD

[timber plinth]

scaling breaks physbones

i had another issue the other day

an avatar with a 0.001 scaled armature from bad export settings

all physbones were bugged

[jovial sedge]

I heard putting physbones on your humanoid bones freaks stuff out, did you do a workaround or did you put them straight up on the actual arms

[timber plinth]

works fine on arms and legs

but do NOT put them on the main chain

make sure also to set them to IsAnimated

and Immobile to 1

if you dont they may be really weird

[quaint geode]

I've been scared to put anything on IK bones, I've been having empty child bones as the root

[timber plinth]

dont put them on IK driven bones ever

[quaint geode]

but of course it means one extra bone on the avatar for each PhyBone script

[timber plinth]

only if you want certain features

like stretching limbs

although i think this issue is actually fixed now

if you enable IsAnimated

or maybe it just depends on where

big brain

[quaint geode]

whatever works XD

[timber plinth]

this is much easier to edit

[quaint geode]

wait, does that mean they are all separate meshes?

[timber plinth]

but i am still pissed that i needed those colliders

no theyre empties

[quaint geode]

oh, it's just for organization

[timber plinth]

plus i can toggle them individually

[quaint geode]

looks nice and tidy :3

[quaint geode]

the scientific name

[fallow rock]

Ah, I name my layers the same way for things that annoy me. It's always surprised people when they found it xD

[inner kayak]

that only works on your game, others still will see you grab yourself

physbones is run on all clients, no networking involved by default

this canny prolly useful for you
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-local-onlyremote-only-grabbing-per-physbone

[quaint geode]

oh right D:

[timber plinth]

yes networking is involved

when grabbing and posing bones

[timber plinth]

so i will still be grabbing things even if i cant see it?

i thought it networked what i grabbed

it probably does so it might work

[quaint geode]

this also makes me wonder how it works across PC/Quest hmmmm

[timber plinth]

networking

u grab and pose a bone and it sends an event

[quaint geode]

but the PC/Quest PhyBones could be different

[timber plinth]

im not sure how else it would work since you can see bones that have been posed on late join

plus u can grab bones while people are moving

ive had times where i see people grab my bones despite me moving out the way

and idk maybe it only works if the physbones is the same on both platforms

if theyre not it probably wont work cross platform

but yea im 99% sure its networked because you can even pose the bones of people who have crashed and also again when theyre not in the same place

i had a funny moment when i went through a teleporter and someone grabbed my hand after ive already teleported

so if it was not networked on my screen they would have missed my hand

[quaint geode]

I see xD I really don't know without running out and testing with somebody

[timber plinth]

but the only things that are networked are grab and pose events i think

not the bones themselves

contacts and collisions are purely local tho

[quaint geode]

I guess you'll test out your grabby arms at some point too, we'll see how it goes xD

[inner kayak]

tested in game, guess youre right

good to know

[quaint geode]

cool :3

[timber plinth]

yea thats what i was thinking from my experience

ive been on beta exclusively for the entirety of its release

[quaint geode]

I have way too many avatars to update, it's hard to find the time

[timber plinth]

im going to be working on quest compatible props like beer bottles and such

im also going to do a funny and make bones that are 500 meters long

so i can use the Gravity option of physbones and make props that fall onto the ground

physics doesnt exist on quest so its really my only choice

[inner kayak]

had someone hide me and attempt to grab/pose my bones on my end- didnt work
they still saw me grab them from ridiculously far with my huge interaction distance

[timber plinth]

yea its cuz they cant pose bones they cant see

so it wont network anything

but i was 99% sure it was networked anyway because there is no way vrchat would make it so when u grab inside a sea of physbones it picks a random one on each client

as long as u can interact with the avatar and its visible for you you can do things

except for collision

contacts are also funny because theyre fully local

[inner kayak]

i thought it wasnt networked cause my knife pull is based on physbone being grabbed

had it fail a lot with quick motions on remote

[quaint geode]

it has me super curious how it's networked for crossplatform, I wonder if there's any type of strictness we need to watch out for to make them work (same bone names, with PhyBone root the same on both?)

[timber plinth]

probably because you didnt use synced parameters

in order for that to work properly, you actually need a synced parameter for when the sword is fully pulled out

[rain root]

🧀

[inner kayak]

it was just physbone IsGrabbed

[timber plinth]

exactly

u would need a parameter driver there

SwordOut -> true and false
based on the conditions of the physbone

[inner kayak]

if physbone grab is networked, it shouldnt have failed

[quaint geode]

I thought the synced parameters for PhyBone stuff was only for late joiners?

[timber plinth]

it is but it depends on how fast u grab it

if youre still grabbing it then it would work but if you let go too fast then it will not have enough time to tell people it has changed

[flat patrol]

You can have the object with the component off by default then enable it with isLocal

[timber plinth]

no its so you can actually sync stuff

if you have say contacts that control clothing menu items

or physbones that let you pull out a sword

you want to make sure that everyone can see the same thing you do

so you sync it via a synced param

[quaint geode]

ah right right

[timber plinth]

or save it too, as u can save stuff

[inner kayak]

that bit is what made me think it wasn't networked

[timber plinth]

because the main issue with physbones and contacts is network speed

if you have like 200 ping

faster things wont register for other people

[quaint geode]

I mean everything will play locally, but if they are distant from you, it's not likely to trigger on them too

or ping too

I see

[inner kayak]

i did go through and make sure it was network synced with parameter drivers

[timber plinth]

nice

i wonder what step is for

[inner kayak]

works locally with physbone pull, expression menu, and remote

[inner kayak]

IsGrabbed true -> Step State - > IsGrabbed false

just a little buffer state so i dont immediately put the knife back

[timber plinth]

oh btw u can also use contacts

although i did use physbones for other things like

[quaint geode]

I assume the contact spot is the same for the knife I guess

[inner kayak]

i only use contacts to guess which hand to place the knife in at the beginning

i'd prefer if i could use entirely physbone though

[timber plinth]

pulling a samurai sword out of its sheath using 0 LimitAngle

[inner kayak]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-xhandl-xhandr-bools-for-physbone

[timber plinth]

and a Stretch value

i attached the sword to the end bone

and another friend of mine made a crossbow using a similar system for bolting

[quaint geode]

stop, you all are making me want to work on more avatar stuff XD

I saw the crossbow!

[queen sky]

Hey so the automatic in-game conversion doesnt seem to work that well 🤷‍♀️

[timber plinth]

no it does not

[quaint geode]

I think I saw them the 1st or 2nd day of the beta with the crossbow

[timber plinth]

its already been reported a couple of times on the canny

[queen sky]

Cool

[timber plinth]

if you want the full physbone experience use the new SDK and set up an avatar

autoconvert is probably gonna be weird for a long while

[queen sky]

Why would 1 ear be weird

The dynamic bones are identical except for root bone

[timber plinth]

settings

[queen sky]

(except transform rotations ofc)

[timber plinth]

might be animation related

also if using Scale

physbones is bugged as hell when using Scale

[quaint geode]

wait, on the topic of stuff being disabled by default, but locally on

does that work for unsheathing weapons and stuff, and other players won't be able to unsheath it?

[inner kayak]

i dont think they'll see you grab it if you are disabling the physbone for remote, but if you network it afterward they'll see it appear in your hand

[quaint geode]

ah ;_;

but the sliding grab is the coolest part ._.

[inner kayak]

^

[quaint geode]

yeah I was just searching for workarounds to that

but I guess it doesn't really... workaround

[inner kayak]

I'm using a contact that only I can interact with to enable the PhysBone once my hand is near.

its just makes everything more complex and easier to break though

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-local-onlyremote-only-grabbing-per-physbone
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-xhandl-xhandr-bools-for-physbone
I just want those two so I can ditch contacts for my weapons.

[quaint geode]

I see :O

[queen sky]

Is there a demo avatar for physbones?

[quaint geode]

there's one inside the Beta SDK, and some demo avatars in the Avatar Dynamics Hub (search "dynamics" in the world search)

[queen sky]

👍

How do I fix this issue on my avatar? I have the new SDK in a new unity project but have no idea where to start

(its a gesture that changes the rotation transform of all of my ear bones)

[quaint geode]

the first step would be to convert your previous DynamicBone scripts to PhyBones

there's an auto converter, or you can do it yourself manually

since you plan to have a gesture/animation on the PhyBones, you want to make sure IsAnimated is checkmarked on the PhyBones component for the ear

[wicked karma]

i been wondering how to setup the physbones, i cant seem to find the convert option with the new sdk or maybe i am just blind

[quaint geode]

the autoconvert option is in the Build Menu, it will be one of the AutoFix notifications there

[queen sky]

Yep done that

Gonna publish it and see if it fixes it in case the in-game converter is different

[quaint geode]

yeah the autoconvert probably doesn't put IsAnimated enabled by default, so that might alone fix it

it might be a good idea to adjust the converted PhyBone values to more closely match what you want

Radius for example must be larger than 0 for it to be interactable

you can also test the PhyBones in Unity Play mode, if you have a Main Camera on the scene, by clicking and dragging on bones in the game view

or by dragging the avatar around in the Scene to see how the PhyBones respond to movement (while in play mode)

[wicked karma]

where to findthe beta sdk O.o

[quaint geode]

the most recent Beta SDK is near the bottom of #open-beta-announcements

[wicked karma]

ouh okay, thank you and i am sorry ❤️ i get lost very easily

[queen sky]

Yep setting Is Animated = true fixes it

[quaint geode]

nice :3

[queen sky]

Not identical to before but idc if it means we get crazy better performance

[quaint geode]

you may be able to get to more closely match what you had before, by tweaking the values on the PhyBones

you can test it relatively fast by messing with the values in Play mode

but it's up to you, it's extra work XD

[queen sky]

👍

[quaint geode]

I will point out, most changes done in play mode it will revert back to the values before play mode, so if you find some good settings during play mode, make sure to write them down before exiting playmode

[queen sky]

Why is Is Animated not enabled by default? Is there a performance hit?

[quaint geode]

I think during the previous beta it wasn't functioning properly (the recent update 4 days ago got it functioning more)

[inner kayak]

you can copy the components values before exiting playmode too

[quaint geode]

but I honestly don't know if there's a performance hit

[inner kayak]

much easier

[quaint geode]

ooo fancy :O

[inner kayak]

little settings cog on the component -> copy component

then outside of playmode click the cog -> pase component values

[quaint geode]

I will definitely keep that in mind for future testing :3

[inner kayak]

theres this too

its a script that allows saving physbone settings from playmode

think i had errors with it though when attempting to upload avatars

oh its taken down

:<

[quaint geode]

rip

[fallow rock]

You can also make a prefab of the Avatar if you change multiple unique components. The Prefab and it's settings will remain even after stopping the scene simulation

[queen sky]

Why can I grab my ears and move them around but when grab my nose (and my hand slows down) it doesnt move it around?

(the only difference is the max angle is smaller and IsAnimated = false)

[dire cipher]

Is there something I am missing about how this works? I was going through the process of converting using the beta sdk and the root bone of the tail on my avatar is not included in the physbones chain. is this a bug? or am I supposed to select a bone before the root of the chain?

[quaint geode]

Radius has to be greater than 0 for it to be interactable, so there's a chance you could be grabbing something else

[quaint geode]

try setting an endpoint position on the PhyBone script, and see if it starts to include the missing bone

[dire cipher]

I thought I did that, but since I already deleted my test copy to start fresh (for sanity sake) I'll try that again.

[quaint geode]

good luck :3

[dire cipher]

I FIGURED IT OUT I OMG I AM SO DUMB. I have toggle-able clothes on my avatar that have their own armature. the method I am using to make sure the clothes deform with the main avatar, I simply parent the corresponding bone to it's counterpart in the main armature. the Physbones script sees all of these extra children and doesn't know what to do with them. fix: add all of the extra children to the ignore list.

[mortal plume]

that's such an overcomplicated way to add clothing...

you should be doing that in blender

so many extra bones for no reason

[dire cipher]

I know, trust me no spring chicken. just lazy and I don't hang around Public worlds mostly in groups of 5 so why bother going through optimizations that might save maybe 5 frames on my friends hardware between all of us.

[sour epoch]

there are also tools to change the armature of a skinned mesh 100% in unity

it's very common on booth

poor optimization affects more than just public worlds, you don't need 40 people to save 5 frames. Literally just today I was in an instance with only 12 people, and their avatars were so poor that showing avatars brought me from 90 fps to 20

I'm certainly not accusing you of being that bad, but it's a mindset thing, you know? That particular workaround is more of an "oh god why" because it's so cursed and difficult to work with, not because it's unoptimized

[dire cipher]

Thank you for your input. As I said above, I know. ROI is the reason I don't go through the trouble for myself. My hardware and my friends hardware can handle it. I am not gonna spend 45 minutes between blender and unity when I only have an hour or so to dedicate to this game at any given day. your experiences are your own. I don't have the same experiences. it's cursed but it works.

[sour epoch]

yeah but how long does it take to reparent all those bones?

switching armatures in blender is probably faster, and the auto dressing tools in unity are definitely faster

[dire cipher]

are... are we using the same program? it takes like two seconds to drag the bones out of the prefab into their places.

[sour epoch]

but there are dozens of bones

[dire cipher]

more like five...

[sour epoch]

huh?

[dire cipher]

you only need the bones that have weight data

the rest can be deleted

[sour epoch]

I guess

I mean if you're doing shoes sure

[dire cipher]

shoes don't even need an armature...

[sour epoch]

but like a whole jacket?

and if you're only counting individual pieces of clothing, well you're gonna have multiple different pieces of clothing right?

[fallow rock]

A shirt is what? Hips, Spine, Chest, Shoulders, Arms maybe Neck. that's only 8 including the neck

[mortal plume]

that still doesn't take long to do at all in blender

[sour epoch]

yeah if the clothing was made for the base, it's literally just a matter of dropping it in, changing the armature modifier, and then reparenting the mesh

done

[mortal plume]

if your workflow is fairly optimized, it doesn't take long at all to add accessories/clothing in blender, especially using CATS

[sour epoch]

anyway, you do you, just trying to tell you that there are options

[fallow rock]

Blender will always be easier for it I do agree. Unless you need the bones for something it takes barely any time at all to swap and ditch those extra bones. It just came across that doing it unity would be excessive but in all honesty you could've added entire outfits in the time we've discussed it using either method.

[muted brook]

Speaking of swappable clothing. What's the "industry standard" way to do it? Is it best to have them all be on separate meshes and toggle them that way?

[fallow rock]

ain't that always the current debate

[mortal plume]

personally, that's what I do, just to avoid having extra polys rendered when they don't need to be. it's not as good for the performance rating, but it's definitely better for real world performance than shape keys or other methods imo

[sour epoch]

that's certainly the easiest way to do it, but if you can it's better if you can combine them all into the same mesh. Even more points if you can combine the textures into only a small handful of materials. But that's a lot of work, and maybe a bit much to ask of every random person

[fallow rock]

up until recently I ran a combination of mesh isActive and blendshape toggles

[muted brook]

Is there a way to have it look good and not have everything all enabled at once for people who have safety settings on?

[fallow rock]

Since then I've swapped blendshapes out for bone scaling and gained a whole lot of fps

[mortal plume]

yea, just have the meshes disabled by default in your hierarchy

[muted brook]

Ah ok

[sour epoch]

I mean yeah, doing these optimizations doesn't have an impact on how good it looks.... it's all about the time you want to spend on it, not the quality of the end result

[muted brook]

Combining it all on one mesh means you need to use blendshapes which means it's more of a performance impact

[sour epoch]

only if you want to toggle clothing

I have all my clothing in one blend file, but I remove the components and upload each clothing set to a different avatar ID

[mortal plume]

there's also other options using shaders

like having cutout textures

and Poiyomi's UDIM discard feature

[muted brook]

Well ya. The most performant thing is just to have one clothing per avi

[mortal plume]

but that won't work without custom shaders enabled, which will make it look like a mess for people with shaders disabled

well, depending on what you use it for ig

[wheat fjord]

and if those people don't enable shaders they won't see the avatar, so if they want to see it, they have to show it, or enable them. So their loss.

I just do something special if people don't have custom animations enabled

[mortal plume]

yea suppose you could also have a system for that lol

[wheat fjord]

Usually if they're disabling shaders they disable that too

So it annoys them and if they don't wanna be annoyed they'll have to show my avatar

[fallow rock]

if you're swapping whole outfits than sure one per Avatar, but if the top and pants are separate, just having 1 toggle on each means you need 4 separate avatars. Tell me the number of combinations with 20 toggles and with no way to categorise or search in personal avatars call me crazy for not having 1 Avatar I can use with them.

[muted brook]

I use face tracking also so I just got a sign that says to enable my avi for face tracking

[sour epoch]

but is it really necessary to have so many independent toggles? If anything, it's more annoying because if you want to change outfits you have to disable all the separate things then enable all the other separate things

now of course, if you want to do something like take off a jacket when you walk indoors, cool! You can totally fit that in a good avatar

you don't need a toggle for everything

[mortal plume]

parameter drivers are the solution

enable one thing, turns off other conflicting things

[dire cipher]

State machines go brrr

[fallow rock]

not necessarily. You can still have outfit bools that the transitions can check for that toggle entire outfits but still having the ability to toggle individual aspects of said outfit

[sour epoch]

ok so if you're toggling entire outfits at once why are they separate bools

[muted brook]

I just have different toggles for different outfit combos

For outfit combos, you just need a single int

[mortal plume]

I have like 10 pieces of clothing on my avi, and the total poly count for everything is still <90k lol

only like 4 are visible at a time max

because of parameter drivers

[muted brook]

Ya mine sits at 100k ish lol. But I got all my materials atlased so I only use 3

[fallow rock]

The example system would toggle between outfits or you could, lets say, open a submenu and mix and match between them. The outfit toggle in your menu would be toggling other toggles basically

[mortal plume]

having menu items being able to control local animator parameters would be wonderful for this

because for example, you could have outfit "presets" that are local only, but that use parameter drivers to enable/disable specific items of clothing

[fallow rock]

Change to a formal attire with 1 button that has everything On but then opening a submenu that allows me to disable the Coat and shoes for a more relaxed look

or I could use a jacket or shoes from some other outfit set

change my pants, change my jewellery, change my hair style. Minimal materials and textures to not destroy people's VRAM and disabling the meshes I'm not using.

[dire cipher]

yeah, polycount is an interesting topic. Technically modern hardware even ones of humble means can handle high polycounts without melting. Its the freaking materials that are the real problem. and by that I mean draw calls. Which is why I find it strange that the VRC sdk puts so much emphasis on Polycount and not the number of materials. TLDR Polygon math is easy, Shading is the hard part.

[muted brook]

My guess is because of blendshapes and they don't feel like creating an avatar benchmark

[sour epoch]

the shading isn't the hard part (unless it's just an expensive shader, which is rare). The hard part is when the CPU needs to communicate with the GPU. Every drawcall is the CPU communicating with the GPU, which takes a lot of time

once the gpu actually has all the instructions it needs, it'll go off on it's own super fast. But lots of drawcalls means it's just sitting there waiting for the CPU to tell it what to do

[carmine moat]

Hey, i have an issue with phys bones even with 1183, it seems there's absolutly no inertia on phys bones no matter what setting i choose, that make rope-like object really hard or even impossible to make, do someone know if it will be fixed ?

sorry it's a webm video to make it fit the 8mb limit guess you shall not open the direct link if you don't trust me

[fallow rock]

I was just thinking about this for some of my models that have objects you can spin around your fingers.

[carmine moat]

yup, i do that with the tongue of my dragon, but it's not working... also for the tail, i used to swing it left and right but i can't with phys bones

[near grove]

any one know how to leave beta?

[carmine moat]

i've made a feedback about that on vrchat feedback but there's not a lot of upvote, and i found other feedback that complaining about the same issue but because no one agreed on how we should call it (inertia, velocity, acceleration, momentum issue) there's not a lot of upvotes

[fallow rock]

Did you post he Canny for it in here before?

[fallow rock]

Quest?

[near grove]

yes

i heard to uninstall it but will it sign me in through oculus account

[fallow rock]

I need to pay attention in the chat more but I'm seeing people say
Set the game version to live, then uninstalling and reinstalling VRChat

I don't have the Quest so I can't help with the specifics

[carmine moat]

?

[fallow rock]

Your Canny post for adding Inertia. Wondering if you'd posted it while people were discussing things in here.

[carmine moat]

no i joined the vrchat discord just recently

so yeah sorry for redundancy, i just wanted to know if it will be fixed before the release

[sour epoch]

I don't think it'll be considered a "bug" to be "fixed before release" but it is a valid feature request

it's probably a pretty big fundamental change to the simulation, but I think given that it's probably the source of a lot of people's complaints, it might be worth doing

[carmine moat]

yeah i can understand, to me it's more a "bug" because what is the purpose to call it physic bones if there isn't even the first law of physics in it

[hazy linden]

I would argue that a major change like that would also be necessary to do before release.
I would be worried about it breaking a lot of already existing setups if it was done like months after release

[carmine moat]

yes

[hazy linden]

But, that's also just my speculation.
If the devs think changes like that and others on the canny can be implemented smoothly later. Then it may be fine to wait.
I just hope they atleast address it with a response on a canny if they make plans to make changes like it

[carmine moat]

yup, i hope they does, because a lot of animation on my avatar rely on momentum and inertia of dynamic bones and i don't know what i would do if they don't plan to do this change :/

[fallow rock]

If you want to support it the post is
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-add-inertia-on-physics-bones
I would, very much love this as even the model I'm currently working on for the live versions uses this

It's Olskor's post

[carmine moat]

oh it would be nice thanks

[hazy linden]

I completely agree.
I'm also kinda speculating that it's what's screwing up the auto converter for some avatars. Since for any dB setup that relies on inertia, it feels like it's just struggling. They either become completely floaty or completely stiff.

[carmine moat]

for my avatar it was really funny, my wings, fins and tail all collapsed in a big mess behind my back 😂

[hazy linden]

Wtf lol

[carmine moat]

like this

[hazy linden]

Oh God, I haven't seen it that bad before.
but yeah, the auto converter definitely needs some work

[wheat fjord]

I've seen even worse

It breaks 90% of my 100 avatars

[carmine moat]

actualy it was kinda my fault, it was because to hide the wings i scale them to 0 and phys bones don't like that at all

[hazy linden]

Ah, that would do it

[carmine moat]

deactivating the script before scalling made it though

[hazy linden]

Huh

[muted brook]

The autoconvert makes my stuff way to wiggly on my simplified avi so I'm scared what it would do to my main one

[strange spoke]

9090

[warm cedar]

9090, like a true poet

[strange spoke]

oh now i know what that noise was sorry

cat did it

[warm cedar]

noise?

[lime yarrow]

Do contact senders and receivers get scaled on the head bone too? I'm assuming they do

only reason I ask is because physbones (the bone themselves) do not

so that you can interact with them

[near grove]

Idk if anyone is here but I’m done with the unity stuff for uploading my avatar but build and publish for windows is greyed out

Nvm it fixed itself

[hearty ore]

Hey, How can I create a boop function? what should I use for it to make boop?

[winged scarab]

Boop function? Like a trigger?

[hearty ore]

Yeah

[timber jewel]

you put a contact reciver on your nose, add the tags hand and finger and put in the parameter it should change

[hearty ore]

Oh thank you!

[nova gulch]

is there a prefab i can use to test physics bones interactions in unity?

[elder cairn]

Every time i try to open the new avatars it brings me to the unity hub, how do i fix this?

[elder cairn]

Nvm, fixed it

I tried to use the Sdk like a project file

Im dumb

[iron apex]

Whenever I join a world there is nobody there

[molten cobalt]

you can only see other people in the open Beta as it's not live compatible

[winged scarab]

Read #open-beta-info

Nvm

Is announcements 💀

[timber jewel]

It's also in open beta info

[winged scarab]

Oh

[cyan pawn]

Is anyone else getting stuck in open beta mode on quest 2

[elder cairn]

Just change the version, then re install

[gloomy bramble]

you need to place it in a Editor folder

the repository is there I just moved the file

[elder cairn]

I just made a phys bone protogen avatar and i just KNOW people are going to start begging for my avatar

[marble egret]

Is there any way to make a Contact Receiver shape anything but a sphere or capsule?

Like a cylinder, for instance?

[warm cedar]

Nope, not yet

[near grove]

Can someone help? My vrchat is loading really slow and stops for a while but it shows that my WiFi strength is excellent

It might be on my end but I finally actually got into the app

It crashes me whenever I click next on the welcome logo too

[near grove]

I think it might just be vrchat

It happens to me sometimes

But then it starts working again after a while

can someone help me make my avatar compatible for quest

[near grove]

I can

But not right at this very moment

I can also help you with physbones

i have the entire week lol

Alright

Currently restarting the WiFi

ive never put my oc into game so this is pretty cool

[lime yarrow]

Avatar Dynamics go Brrrrrrrr

[dreamy barn]

oooh how did you get it so you could take them off like that?

been trying to figure out how to do it for my own avatar

[small surge]

parent constraint on collision is one way and some other ways

Would not work on quest

[dreamy barn]

that's what I thought, but I'm not sure how to go about it, 'specially making it specify if it's being grabbed

[lime yarrow]

Yeah it's parent constraints, and animations to swap weights

set up using contact senders and receivers

[dreamy barn]

Yeah I've seen some tutorials about setting values when the sender comes into contact, is that what you mean?

[lime yarrow]

yep

combined with gestures

[dreamy barn]

ah okay.. I think I get it? might poke you for some clarity if needed 😛

[dreamy barn]

would the gesture only work if you're doing it, or would it also work if someone else does it?

like if they grabbed the glasses

[lime yarrow]

just me

it's not using physbones at all

[dreamy barn]

ah

but if I wanted others to be able to grab them, I guess I'd have to use physbones..?

[lime yarrow]

yeah but it won't look great

[dreamy barn]

yet physbones don't feel right for that

[lime yarrow]

AFAIK grabbed physbones don't give you proper 6dof movement

so you can't pick things up properly and move them around freely like an object

in terms of rotation

[dreamy barn]

although aren't the default colliders for hands, etc also senders?

[lime yarrow]

yeah

I'm using my index finger as the sender in the initial pickup animation

[upbeat mulch]

Just to get this right :
When you reach for your glasses, you have a contact receiver that specifies your hand has entered it. Saves that in a variable
The animation that triggers the reparenting only triggers if the grab gesture is active while the hand is in the contact receiver.
If the glasses are picked up, the hand isn't in a grabbing motion and is in the contact receiver, the glasses are put back on your head. Right?

[lime yarrow]

yes

precisely

[dreamy barn]

though is it not possible to also make it so others have to use a grab gesture? if not, that would be nice to have

[upbeat mulch]

Great, thanks a lot

[upbeat mulch]

You can't reparent the glasses onto another model since your animation is constrained to your model

[small surge]

Only worlds could be able to do that, but they dont have physbones yet

[upbeat mulch]

So they can activate the contact receiver but they can't have the glasses in their hand

[dreamy barn]

ah dang

[small surge]

(well udon can lock it do someones bone but that sounds like work)

[lime yarrow]

I could add a thing where if they touch my glasses they swap to my eyes

but that's not as fun/cool

[upbeat mulch]

Yeah sadly you can't exactly make people grab your props

[lime yarrow]

but yeah, they can't grab them properly

maybe someday

[dreamy barn]

honestly this should be a thing we could do, probably something to submit to the feedback hub

[lime yarrow]

here's hoping 🙏

[upbeat mulch]

Exactly yes, would add a lot of immersion

[lime yarrow]

Just having a props inventory and separate IDs for them would be pretty awesome

like how Neos does it

so you'd be able to upload Avatars, Worlds, and Props

and share them with people

[upbeat mulch]

Mhmh, would be nice if enabling and disabling objects didn't have to go through an animation, but instead you could just have an inventory to toggle them on and off

[lime yarrow]

They said a long time ago they wanted to do that. Guess we'll see if they ever do

[upbeat mulch]

Every day I cry that I can't actually code for VR chat

At least for Avatars

(It makes sense why it's the case, buttt still unfortunate)

[lime yarrow]

I'll be honest, I like the fact that we can't program avatars, but only because I am not a programmer and so I wouldn't be able to make any use of it at all.

I like using the current restrictions and working around them

its a lot of fun, like a puzzle

[upbeat mulch]

I'm only a programmer, and I'm so freaking lost having to go through hoops and jumps to simply toggle an item >.>

[lime yarrow]

Fair haha

[dreamy barn]

I imagine something like with how the Worlds SDK is. You could use Udon scripts for an Avatar via C# and the API that's allowed, simple as that, as it is optional

[lime yarrow]

They've expressed that they want to do a sort of "Udon Lite" for avatars at some point

Though I don't know if their direction has changed since then or not

[upbeat mulch]

Think about it, you have to make an animation to enable the object, disable it, make a new layer in the animation controller, create the states and transitions, set the transitions parameters correctly, set the layer weight to 1, add the variables to your avatar, create the setters for those variables...
When in code all you have to do is gameobject.SetActive(true);

[lime yarrow]

Lmaoo

but it's more involved than simply toggling things

and there are helper plugins for unity that make toggles easier

But I see what you mean

[dreamy barn]

Hmm how did you set the parent constraint to the sender? I have the receivers on the sides of my glasses atm and want it so it parents to the hand that grabbed them

[upbeat mulch]

I'll be honest, I've recently gotten into VR Chat and coming from being a game dev, I'm almost more lost. I just don't know where to find the information because the environment is for players, not developers

[lime yarrow]

this is all done in the animator

[dreamy barn]

yeah, I know, but I'm a bit lost

[upbeat mulch]

I think they mean the specific hand that grabbed it

[lime yarrow]

Make two different paths to different states

[upbeat mulch]

And I believe you either have to make a receiver for each hand...

Or always grab with the same hand

[lime yarrow]

with transition conditions that are hand dependent

[upbeat mulch]

Yeah

Essentially have to do it twice

[lime yarrow]

and yeah a receiver for each hand is how you'd do that

and have two different parameters. One called something like RightHandGrab and LeftHandGrab

so that you can use them in the animator transitions

or have one parameter and have one receiver set it to a different value

[upbeat mulch]

Things could be a little more intuitive

[lime yarrow]

which is smarter but harder to keep track of I guess

I don't know, it all seems pretty intuitive to me personally

but I guess our minds kind of work differently

it be like that

[upbeat mulch]

Wait what if

What if you put a Receiver on the glasses and a receiver on the hands

The hands listen for the glasses and the glasses listen for either hand

[lime yarrow]

Why would you need that though

[upbeat mulch]

That way you could even swap your glasses from hand to hand

[lime yarrow]

two receivers on the glasses is all you need because the hands already have senders

ah

[upbeat mulch]

Right?

[lime yarrow]

well if there are already receivers on the glasses you wouldn't need that

[upbeat mulch]

I guess so yes

[lime yarrow]

because you can hold the glasses in one hand and touch the receiver on the other side with the other hand

[upbeat mulch]

Mhmh you're right

[lime yarrow]

and then transition to that hand

[upbeat mulch]

though if both hands are grabbing and are in the receiver's range

I expect your glasses to start a reparenting race

[lime yarrow]

Parent constraint with dual weights

the ability to hold the glasses with BOTH hands

[dreamy barn]

mmm ok, I have this set up in the animator, but animation-wise, how am I setting the parent constraint to the sender?

[lime yarrow]

aim constraint set up to look between your hands, and a rotation constraint on the glasses to that aim constraint

[upbeat mulch]

Just move the object in the hierarchy?

[lime yarrow]

now you have the ability to hold the glasses with two hands and rotate it properly in space with both

[upbeat mulch]

Would have to use IK I believe

[lime yarrow]

Nope

I've done it with just constraints

and it works well

[upbeat mulch]

uh, not familiar with constraints yet

[lime yarrow]

they're secretly the best thing that has ever existed

(in terms of vrchat)

[rugged dirge]

so what type of collider would I use to prevent hair from going into the body

[upbeat mulch]

Literally just reading through the documentation now

[upbeat mulch]

It should be set up by default with PhysBones

[rugged dirge]

well no not really

[lime yarrow]

If you really don't want hair bones from the front to go to the back, you can use a plane

otherwise you're looking at setting up a bunch of capsules on the limbs and torso

[rugged dirge]

how do I use the plane

[small surge]

Have a fun bug with plane, it shows up on preview for one of my av, other one it doesnt

[lime yarrow]

huh lol

[upbeat mulch]

Can't you just tweak the standard colliders?

[rugged dirge]

the model im working on doesn't have the standard colliders??

[lime yarrow]

Yeah that would work to some degree but there arent any on the arms

just torso, head, and hands

[upbeat mulch]

A set of "Standard Colliders" are defined in the Avatar Descriptor, in a new section called “Colliders”

[small surge]

You want to tweak em, my head was tiny on default

[rugged dirge]

yeah im looking at them but I don't see em ingame

[upbeat mulch]

That's... Unexpected

[small surge]

They are called 'contacts' in debug

hard to see on some avs

[rugged dirge]

i guess it kinda works?

but not fully

[small surge]

Think i figured out why i can see the plane in preview, cause i have Physbones always on testing 🔨

[upbeat mulch]

You can tweak those colliders to perfectly fit your avatar

[rugged dirge]

ok

[shrewd estuary]

i may have to do this when the update goes to live

right now is no biggie as i currently have no intentions to do cool dynamics stuff on my avatar

[small surge]

I have 120~ ish i need to do, wouldnt take that long tho

[shrewd estuary]

that's a handful

[small surge]

The contacts dont really like fast worlds either ,they will lag behind

[elder cairn]

I want to reduce material slots in the new SDK (i have 7 and want to reduce it to at leat 4), and also reduce polygons but my current laptop can’t run blender

[small surge]

bit behind (worldspeed x5)

[shrewd estuary]

you can find a way to do it in unity

[upbeat mulch]

A lot of those things you can do in Unity

[shrewd estuary]

ok yeah you can do them in unity

[upbeat mulch]

Though you'll have to look at 3rd party addons

Or find code online

[shrewd estuary]

thanks for the quick correction norivee

[small surge]

cant run blender but vrchat & unity? -does-not-compute-

[shrewd estuary]

blender threw itself into an actual blender ig

[upbeat mulch]

Blender has been shredded

[elder cairn]

I play standalone quest

[upbeat mulch]

Makes sense. Well your best luck is to find some scripts that allow you to reduce poly count

Or ask someone to do it

[small surge]

Would need one if you want to upload

99% of my avs are 1-4 materials

[shrewd estuary]

dynamics + osc = possible native support for haptic suits

seen a post about it on the vrchat subreddit

[small surge]

You can do fingertracking + movement on a dancemat with osc

[elder cairn]

But how do i reduce material slots?

[small surge]

Blender

Not something you do in unity

[elder cairn]

Cuz i have 7 and am having a few problems

[upbeat mulch]

You should be able to but not natively

[small surge]

Good luck atlasing when it has differnt uv's

[upbeat mulch]

You could extend the texture and remap the UV's in a new section of the texture

I'm not saying it's easy to do without coding knowledge ahah, but technically doable I believe

[rugged dirge]

why can you only move the hand collider but not the fingers-

seems a bit weird

[upbeat mulch]

Something like this would work to do it manually but honestly if you can run (& pay) for this, you should be able to run Blender

Nvm some people have simply made extensions for that specific thing

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/pro-material-combiner-29312

[elder cairn]

I just mailed the model to someone (who i trust and know they will delete it after) and they r gonna reduce the bad stuff

[upbeat mulch]

Nice~ Honestly that's the easiest way

[elder cairn]

They are unable to do it

Can anyone help me? (The model was free idc if it gets stolen) i just want to use my avatar on quest

[leaden cairn]

How old is your laptop if you cant run blender on it? I have gotten blender to work on decade old low tier laptops. Also, If no one helps you, I might take a look at the model later, no promises as I am a bit busy today

[elder cairn]

I have a Aspire from 8 years ago (no gpu)

[leaden cairn]

Hmm… I have an (acer) aspire from 2011 with igpu and that can run blender

Even cycles, just not well

[marble egret]

Considering the new OSC stuff that just came out, does this mean that you could have a button on an avatar that does something in real life through Dynamics + OSC?

[leaden cairn]

Should be able to

[elder cairn]

For me it just gives me an errot

[leaden cairn]

Have you tried installing the intel drivers from the intel website?

Generally people install nvidia and amd drivers, but intel needs em too

Also, what is the error

[elder cairn]

It gives me an error that says that i dont have a gpu

[marble egret]

Jesus, that opens up so many possibilities

[leaden cairn]

Yep, try the drivers

[marble egret]

Damn, that sucks

I found and upvoted the suggestion though, here's hoping they add it
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-more-shape-types-for-contact-receivers

[elder cairn]

I cant update on that laptop and even if i get blender, how will i get it on the software cuz my friend says it didnt work

[leaden cairn]

???

[marble egret]

Wouldn't this be better suited to #avatar-optimization ?
I don't really see how this is related to the beta

[leaden cairn]

If your friend had problems importing, that is something you attend to after getting the program working

[leaden cairn]

Probably

[elder cairn]

Well i am using the beta SDK

[leaden cairn]

But this issue pertains to blender, not avatar dynamics

[naive wasp]

there an issue my friend had to reset his whole oculus because if you wanna get out of beta you have to uninstall Vrchat aswell as putting it back to the other release. Me and my other friends didn't need to factory reset our oculus's (as far as I know of)

[near grove]

why did they reset it?

[naive wasp]

because when they unistalled Vrchat and tried to re-install Vrchat, It wouldnt re-install

[stable wagon]

?

[thorn solstice]

I switched to the open beta, and built the tutorial robot avatar dynamics demo from the vrcsdk3 avatar 2022.03.10.14.12 public unity package. I can switch to the locally built avatar, but I don't see any secondary motion.

Should I expect to see secondary motion with the tutorial robot avatar dynamics demo?

[simple stratus]

what version of unity does the new sdk use?

[mortal plume]

same version

[simple stratus]

thanks

[mortal plume]

it's not the SDK that needs a specific version

it's the game

VRChat is a unity based game like many others

so if you want to make content for it, you need the same version as the game

[simple stratus]

I'm asking what version of unity the sdk uses

but thanks anyways

[mortal plume]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version

[hearty ore]

are the contacts toggle or buttons

[thorn solstice]

It is valid for vrchat to change unity versions, and first make it available in an open beta. I don't believe they are this time.

[small surge]

with paramter driver contacts can be toggle or a button, ive used them as both

[hearty ore]

Oh

So On enter is like a button but constant is a toggle am I wrong?

[simple stratus]

I still have an avatar file, do I still need to import dynamicbones for physbones to work properly?

[restive tapir]

If you upload an avatar with dynamic bones in the beta sdk, does it convert it automatically anyway in game?

[simple stratus]

^^^

[mortal plume]

it does, but then you can't actually adjust any of the dynamics

better to convert them in Unity

and then tweak the values to your liking

[small surge]

On Enter uses velocity speed and it will go back to 0 pretty fast, Proximity acts like a button

[restive tapir]

Should the SDK have a warning or something like "you are usign dynamic bones would you like to convert them to physbones?" Autofix

[thorn solstice]

The avatar dynamics works on the demo for me now. I changed some parameters on the tail, and now both the tail and hair work as expected.

[restive tapir]

Im talking more in a general user friendly warning or something like that

[small surge]

Dont think you HAVE To but highly recommended, it will convert their setting to it (or try)

[restive tapir]

For people that dont know or are new etc

[thorn solstice]

I don't think there is any special values I corrected, it just didn't load that system in until I made an edit.

[simple stratus]

do I still need to download dynamic bones for physbones to work?

[small surge]

If they are new to vrchat they are better of doing the new mehtod then using the old anyway

nope, my quest project one dont have it imported

if you convert a old dynbone to phys they tend to be very thin if they dont have radius and hard for others to interact with, so you would need to edit them

[hearty ore]

And Is it possible for me to set up a way so when I grab It toggles a paramater to "Grab" my head only when its on my head

[restive tapir]

yes and a lot of old avatars will not have the new configurations thats why i think the SDK should have an "autofix" option before uploading

[restive tapir]

isnt the component animatable?

[hearty ore]

Yeah But for vr the idea of a unmoving phybone being grabbed enabling a head toggle would probably work.

[unkempt sentinel]

Are there any tutorials for this stuff? I feel like they would be real useful

[near grove]

Has the beta released yet ?

[muted brook]

is it announced that it is released?

if so. it is out. if not, then it is not out

[near grove]

Idk that’s why I’m asking discord

[hearty ore]

I want to have a contact reciever enable a toggle when touched will constant work for this?

[wintry scroll]

When you say toggle, do you mean something on when the receiver is touched and off when no longer touched?

[muted brook]

well look in the announcement channel. if its not there its not released

[near grove]

Ok

[wintry scroll]

or by toggle do you mean the state switches whenever the receiver is touched.

[wintry scroll]

good news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4MTUG9KhVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P_MIqjISOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8m_RN4Qa6k&t=114s

[unkempt sentinel]

Pog, thanks

[wintry scroll]

👍 there are more, just linked a few

[hearty ore]

Thank you

[hearty ore]

Oh yeah when I did the phybones conversions it broke the neck and hand tracking a bit.

Slightly rotated off the main joint and slightly more limited neck

[knotty gulch]

anyone have a recommended collider size?

[leaden cairn]

as large as it needs to be?

[knotty gulch]

fair enough. i found one that works for me

[nocturne sierra]

So is it possible to see PC beta users in quest beta users in the same server

[timber jewel]

yes

[unkempt finch]

Do you think open beta would affect a poyomi dissolve animation, it works in unity play mode but the dissolve never plays in vrc. Have the Dissolve Alpha right clicked and shaders locked when uploading the avatar

[bright pewter]

its all in the shader, and the beta is still based on the same unity version. Check if the behavior is the same on Live first.

[small surge]

if a shader has errors from the change it will throw an error #open-beta-announcements message , yet to see anyone that has gotten it

dissolve ect should behave , none of mine changed (poi 7+)

[unkempt finch]

Im assuming im probably doing something wrong would you be okay with me reaching out through DMs to see if im forgetting something?

[wind breach]

I need some help, my parameters aren't changing when the contact is active. I'm trying to understand the basic. The receiver parameter is the same as the parameter on the animator, and the parameter is a float. I must be missing something

[small surge]

your reciver only works on a contact that is called "Channel1" , you can test it in unity

[dim cloak]

Put your FX controller in your avatar controller in the animator in the inspector.

[dim cloak]

this too

[small surge]

hand / finger is handy unless you want a custom object

[wind breach]

requires the vrchat avi descriptor. I should have realized that

[dim cloak]

No

It requires the animator component

if you're testing it in unity

[wind breach]

I've tried with only animator component and it doesn't work. although I just threw an avi descriptor on the test object and testing and it works when I throw the animator controller on the fx.

[dim cloak]

Ah if you're using Lyuma's emulator then you will need the avatar descriptor.

[wind breach]

I'm not using an emulator

it triggers in the script but not on the animator

[small surge]

not really showing your transition it would be greater then 0 to do anything right now

since its a float and need a certain number if you use multiple conditions i had to use greater/less to say i want this number

Yours would be greater then 0 that paramter , disable less then something like 0.1 cant say 0

[wind breach]

well I have my animator set up so it toggles on the object when it is greater than .5 which the trigger sets the parameter to 1 and less than .5 to turn it off which default is 0

idk what exactly is going on but it works when I have the vrc avatar descriptor on the object and asign the fx layer

ok update there doesn't need to be an fx on it

[hearty ore]

Ok. Later I’ll send a picture of mp4 of the bug I’m having.

[open blade]

Nice!

[bright jungle]

pog

oop, ik

still pog, but hecc I really want contacts to be able to drive ints/bools lol (https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-ints-bools-for-contact-receivers)

[sudden hull]

#ik-2

[full forge]

11711? When did we jump 10k versions?

[shrewd estuary]

the future is now

[bright jungle]

in the year 2082

[open blade]

Cyberpunk 2082.

[full forge]

xD

[bright jungle]

lmao

[sudden basalt]

one day when we hit patch 11711 on live

I am going to come back and reply to that message

reminder set

[shrewd estuary]

none of us will be alive when this eventually happens

[bright jungle]

sticky note = stickied

[full forge]

We'll see.

[shrewd estuary]

unless theres some breakthrough in medicine or you manage to import your actual soul into vrchat to live forever in the virtual realm

i have already done this hello real world

[humble pulsar]

That patch will allow you to live inside VRChat

xD

[full forge]

If only.

[bright jungle]

WeeWChat

[shrewd estuary]

yeah so like uhhh im typing this message from a computer i found in a vrchat world and basically doing this removed the "exit vrchat" and "logout" buttons from the menu

so once you're in you cant get out

worth it

[bright jungle]

who needs escape when you have VRChat

[full forge]

Ah, so like Sword Art Online?

[shrewd estuary]

yea

but yeah avatar dynamics + osc + ik2
mental

[paper plover]

Guys question

What is the diffrents between pc vrchat and steam vrchat
Does it effect avatar dynamics?

[mortal plume]

it's the same thing?

[wheat fjord]

I am unable to grab physbones in unity

[bright pewter]

make sure the camera is tagged as main camera

[shrewd estuary]

waow

[dusk grove]

Hey so question. I got my colliders for my hair working great in unity but on upload the colliders are completely ignored in game. Any tips, I bet I am just missing something super obvious

[quaint geode]

there's an issue with PhyBone Colliders on the head, since ingame the head is normally shrinked down for yourself to not get in the way of the camera, currently the PhyColliders on the head are affected as well

so they will function properly in Unity testing, but ingame they won't work

[dusk grove]

Even if I define a custom temp collider for now?

[quaint geode]

you can get around the issue by not having the PhyBone Collider on the head

on PC with some creative use of constraints, you can get around the issue, but for the Quest avatar version you won't be able to fix it

[dusk grove]

Oh its specifically any collider in the head section of the armature?

[strange spoke]

uhhhh we're on 11711 now what?

[quaint geode]

Head or a child of the head I think

[worn roost]

on live

[dusk grove]

Gotcha thank you for making me not feel like a dumb dumb

[strange spoke]

oh oh oh oh oh

i am fool

[dusk grove]

I've been poking at it for days trying to avoid bugging ya'll

[quaint geode]

you can do something like make a child of the neck, a "FakeHead", and then use a constraint to match the position/rotation of the real head

and then slap the collider on the FakeHead

but this wouldn't work for your quest version

[fallow rock]

Is there a better way to make a Canny post that isn't the small dialog box on the left?

[dusk grove]

Naw its not a game breaker for me and I will just wait for it to be sorted out proper. Thank you though

[quaint geode]

npnp

[dusk grove]

btw is there a good list of current bugs in the beta?

[quaint geode]

usually bugs (as well as suggestions as well as other stuff), are posted on the feedback section

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta

kinda like the bug tracker for the beta

[dusk grove]

Gotcha thank you. Also another question. Has anyone somewhat made a standardized lists of auxiliary collider names such as say EarR, EarL, Snout, TailEnd stuff like that for better avatar interaction?

Its something that came top mind while I was at work

[quaint geode]

I heard some people talking about some standardization here and there, but I am not sure if anything has really been settled

I think something like "Damage" was mentioned for PvP type stuff, instead of magic damage, spells, or swordhit

I haven't seen much else mentioned though

[dusk grove]

tbh it will never be "settled" xkcd made a good comic about it. But didnt know if someone had a running google doc somewhere or something

[quaint geode]

not to my knowledge at least xD

[dusk grove]

There it is

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png

[fallow rock]

I relate to that so hard good lord

[quaint geode]

there are 16 competing standards

[verbal geyser]

Ok i don't know if this is just a me issue

If I open the main menu and walk a little bit away, I can see myself in third person

[timber plinth]

i fixed the arm issue

i set collision radius to 0 on client using islocal

if i set isgrabbable it has sync issues

but collision radius is fine and disables grabbing locally

[dull quiver]

So has anyone had an issue on a single account quest to where you cant switch back to the live version from the beta? I'm trying to Uninstall and re install but I've seen reviews of that not working

[warm cedar]

I'm already using this standard, but most people either don't use it for pvp and just use it for Boobs so i don't have much ground to test atm lol

Danmed bot, point is that there are low chances for anything standart coming

[neon cypress]

Does anyone have nice parameters for different Body Parts like Hair, Tail, Ears etc.?

[warm cedar]

I have "Claws" (with "damage")

[neon cypress]

My claws arent that long, very smoll 😄

[warm cedar]

I have a cherub, claw good

claw beeg

[neon cypress]

The Claws of the cherub are very nice, they remind me of Wolverine but with Cat ears 😄

[timber jewel]

Please use a capital "D" in "Damage"

[flat patrol]

The receiver could always have both

Up to 16 flag I think

[timber jewel]

Still, the default ones are capital, so the custom one should too

And other people in here decided on it before as well

[flat patrol]

Any other flag I miss

[warm cedar]

Of course I did smartass xD

[timber jewel]

XD

[gloomy dagger]

Does that mean I can look high up while in VR when I sit down?

[timber jewel]

[gloomy dagger]

Wait, the Ik-beta channel.

x)

[visual path]

Uh so, I wanna make it so when someone boops my avis nose it smiles but idk how to

[short jasper]

Did you read documentation?

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/contacts#VRCContactReceiver

You'll want the "VRCContactReceiver"

[visual path]

Yeah I have it set up but it doesn't work

[short jasper]

How do you have it set up?

Did you add the collision tags for fingers/hands?

Did you set up the parameter name?

Did you set up the animation to make the avatar smile in your animator using that parameter from the receiver?

Did you make sure you made the parameter a "float" in your animator?

Receivers only use floats so you have to make any parameter relating to a receiver a float.

[visual path]

Ok now I got it

[short jasper]

Pog

[dense musk]

I actually just came here to ask this question about contacts!

Do the string comparisons for contact tags work between separate avatar interactions too?

As in, could someone light a torch on their own avatar with a “put out fire” receiver, while someone else with a bucket of water has a “put out fire” sender and can essentially douse the other’s fire if they have the animations set up that way?

Pls @ me or reply if you respond!

[short jasper]

Yeah https://twitter.com/vr_hai/status/1500666708813561859?s=21

Haï~ (@vr_hai)

VRChat #AvatarDynamics enables Avatar-to-Avatar Interactions.

Have you tried the spray can in the Avatar Dynamics Hub world?

This is a Contact Receiver. It reacts to a Contact Sender from @Yash884's avatar lighter!

VRCContactReceiver / VRCContactSender: https://t.co/QNAfEriHQI https://t.co/ss2ut2ZACT

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Check the thread.

[dense musk]

Oh my god that’s beautiful

Thank you!!

Has there ever been any talk about being able to use avatar contacts in worlds?

[short jasper]

Given that avatar dynamics is planned for worlds, it'll probably work in the same manner.

[dense musk]

I’m one of many working on an RPG, and it would really help if we could make our swords trigger gashes directly on avatars using contacts

[gusty forge]

There was a canny post which was replied to that it will happen but not in this release

[dense musk]

Well I have some awesome shit to look forward to then, thank you!

[open hedge]

so i presume you cant do any toggles or stuff like that because my model keeps messing up whenever i add a menu

[visual path]

Better question, how do you set up a grabbable object on quest

[hearty ore]

Ok I got a question, I had a avatar that used dynamic bones at first. Converted them and now the neck is kinda pc moving when I walk/run and more stiff compared to my other uploads without Phybones

[timber jewel]

Do you have a Phyw Bone on your neck / head?

[hearty ore]

Yes.

The Prefab I used does

[hearty ore]

Yeah, On the dynamic bones it was normal but on physbones it has the broken neck

[visual path]

Remove it

[hearty ore]

Oh, the reason it does it creates the hair physics

[fast siren]

Is it possible to have both DB and AvatarDynamics on an avatar at the same time? As a transition phase, so it will work on both live and open-beta

[near grove]

hey, i saw this and felt i should reply because i was literally just watching a super helpful video someone has made regarding phys bones. i personally recommend watching all of it, but for just you issue definitely refer to the points starting at 2:05 and then 15:35, hopefully that helps. https://youtu.be/B4MTUG9KhVA

i rlly hope its ok to post link if not i delete, sorry!

[warm cedar]

Nah links are fine

as long as it isn't against the #rules

[near grove]

c: oh ok good

[timber jewel]

What you should do in this case is to create an empty object on your head / neck (where ever the dynamic bone was) an put all of your hair etc (all the stuff that should be moved) in it, then put the Phys Bone script on the empty object

[hearty ore]

Oh ok

[timber jewel]

this is also talked about in the video

[hearty ore]

Thank you and I’ll try it soon as I can

[near grove]

good luck

[timber jewel]

I would still recomend to watch this video, they talk about a few things that are different from Phys Bones compared to Dynamic Bones

[final ferry]

What's a good world to meet other creators for the beta

I really want to test my player interaction stuff, but I only play in PC VR

[timber jewel]

The Avatar Dynamics Hub would be a good world to do that tbh

[quiet tundra]

Ive just lightly skimmed the OSC resources, there is input into VRC for rigging and movement, but i havent seen a 'colider to OSC' topic. Would that be a client/avatar specific thing to script and implement or is that not suported (at all or for other reasons)

[final ferry]

It's like a quest concentration camp

Most of them apparently can't switch back

[timber jewel]

Yeah Metas Update System doesn't switch back to the live version, even if you have it selected

[final ferry]

Wack

[timber jewel]

It thinks the beta is just a newer version the game which is technically is

[final ferry]

Wouldn't be a problem if Update just comes out

Officially

[timber jewel]

that is true, but that will take some more time

it will take some time for them to polish it up etc

[final ferry]

So far performance is better

But that's because less full body trusted in packed lobby

[slate mortar]

colliders are allowed on humanoid bones right

its just the physbones that are not

[fast siren]

What happened to the numbering? Did we go from 1183 to 11711?

[timber jewel]

yes

[timber jewel]

1183 is the Open Beta with Avatar Dynamics, 11711 is the IK 2.0 Beta

The last message in #open-beta-announcements was for the IK Beta and not the Avatar Dynamics Beta

[slate mortar]

So i think I found why my whole avatar had broken locomation and a not working expressions menu

[timber jewel]

as the first sentence in that anouncment already mentions...

[fast siren]

Yes but why a jump by almost 10,000 in numbering?

[slate mortar]

the auto conversion put 2 physbones on my hips

[timber jewel]

they didn't it's like 1171-1

1171 is live and 11711 (which is like 1171 1) is the IK beta

[timber jewel]

your peobably had 2 dynamic bones on your hip which it converted to phys bones

probably*

[slate mortar]

yes was for the outercolliders

[timber jewel]

are you sure?

[slate mortar]

but it was from booth xd

like that

Also

[timber jewel]

yeah booth avatars sometimes do have Dynamic Bones on the hip

[slate mortar]

guess neither of you looked at the version of VRChat, IK beta is 2022.1.1p2 and PhysBones is 2022.1.2

so build numbers didnt matter anyway xd

[timber jewel]

He was talking about the build number though and not the version

[fossil mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eLAtX61-k i seen everything

[slate mortar]

I wonder if cloth also can collide with these physbones colliders

or still needs the unity ones, could be interesting as an option

[queen berry]

just a question so its bassically a virtual skeleton right?

[timber plinth]

no

i am honestly surprised physbones doesnt even have a cloth designed implementation

maybe they can add that as PhysCloth

which would really be the same thing except each bone can offer Pull on nearby bones

allowing you to bring up the rest of the skirt when grabbing only one portion for example

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-cloth-based-dynamics-settings

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-toggle-for-acceleration-vs-velocity

[stable wagon]

for what it worth i will help support this even knowing i been staying away from this cloth problem

[ashen aspen]

I've been wondering, why dont physbones like some bones I have set up? I wanted to put some in my avatar's hair but, for some reason physbones doesn't seem to recognize it

[small surge]

set a endpoint and radius to see em easier

For some reason it ignores the last bone if i dont have one

[molten cobalt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/td1ort/im_making_haptic_vest_interface_in_vrchat_with/

[silent stone]

hey is it normal that the robot have such a massive chest bone ?

[small surge]

Think thats the 'button' bone

importing fbx does odd things to that one

[keen nova]

Wait, avatar dynamics sends osc messages in the beta now?

[small surge]

Been in for awhile

[keen nova]

Ah, guess I missed it in the update log. Was on known bugs for a while.

[vivid hatch]

@small surge no he asks that because before the last beta update, osc werent sent with contacts, that was a bug

[lusty bronze]

It won't let me leave the beta. I can't install the normal version on quest 2

[keen nova]

Wellp, now I gotta start building my dumb avatar ideas, now that I know osc and dynamics work together. Lol

[small surge]

yeh i wouldnt know if thats a thing, osc ive never used, likely never will

[dusky raft]

I believe that the contacts still do not send the OSC messages in that example. From the console logging it looks like they are driving changes of a synced Bool that then is triggering an osc ouput. Cause the Synced vrchat parameters always send OSC if it is on and they change.

[wintry scroll]

I haven't done much with osc, I have set up an akai midi controller to control my avatar, but that is about it. Not to fancy tbh

[harsh sleet]

Hello

[keen nova]

What do you mean by synced bool, how is that different from dynamics contact module updating a parameter.

[dusky raft]

Synced bool being a bool parameter in the avatars parameter list. They are probably setting it with a VRCAvatarParameterDriver in their animator after detecting the float value from a contact.

[keen nova]

Interesting, I'll have to read up on those and mess about with it.

[halcyon zealot]

To try out the pys bones is it recommended to create a whole new project for an avatar?

[wintry scroll]

I personally made a new project for the beta. I don't have a new project per avatar but a few avatars per scene

[keen nova]

At the very least, worth making a backup of the avatar before testing it out.
Would also recommend changing the id

[halcyon zealot]

Yea. Reminds me when a favorited avatar I had completely changed to a whole different av.

[shrewd estuary]

reinstall a few timss

times*

[torpid reef]

For some reason I cant get proximity receivers to work. They just flash really fast in debug mode

I connected the float to a blendtree

[torpid reef]

Nvm got it to work, checked the canny and there is currently a bug with proximity receivers using capsules

Use spheres instead

Until it is fixed

[small surge]

Pretty sure im using capsule contacts & proximity

yep works fine , guess it depends on what you are trying to do , only made a headscaler when someone poke my back (capsule) it will make my head big

[reef vault]

I would get a haptic but I think I’ll do that if they actually get to the point where they made like a full body one or something

That’s pretty cool though!

[muted brook]

I really want to get a tenz unit and do touch that way. But i need to look into it more

[reef vault]

Tenz unit?

Their gloves is a big step, I wonder if they’ll do like pants next to cover your legs

[reef vault]

Never heard of that, who’s making it?

[muted brook]

tenz units are muscle stimulators that basically shock you

[reef vault]

That sounds dangerous if it’s a shock

I’m no pro at this type of stuff btw

[muted brook]

it just contracts your muscles

owovest and teslasuits use the same tech

[reef vault]

Can’t seem to find it

[fast siren]

Is there any good way of interacting with PhysBones in Unity other than simply moving the avatar? I think I saw a GIF of someone interracting with them with their mouse?

[sour epoch]

in the game view, yeah

click and drag

[fast siren]

Can't get it to work

They move around when I move the entire avatar in Scene view, but nothing is interractable in Game view

[small surge]

Your camera must have correct tag or it wont do much, custom one dont have it ( MainCamera)

[fast siren]

It's tagged as MainCamera

[small surge]

You want gizmos on to see its radius, if it doesnt have any they are hard to interact with

[fast siren]

2 sec

[fast siren]

Thank you! When I redid everything I had forgotten to set radius, works now, thanks!

[reef vault]

In regards to the height, if I’m wearing shoes during VRChat testing do I have to adjust my height like to 6’5 instead of 6’4? (that’s my real height)

[near grove]

is there a way to get dynamic bone-like "inert" with physbones? i know "immobile" is meant to be the same thing, but there's a fundamental difference. "immobile" reduces how much translation and rotation affect the system, but in dynamic bone, inert only affected translation, meaning that you could set inert to 1, and then do stuff like move in fbt with your joystick and not get your hair/dress/whatever sucked behind you like you're in a wind tunnel, but still rotate your head or spin in a dress and have it be flowy

if not, i'd really appreciate a checkbox or something (it's ok if it's enabled by default for anyone already working with physbones) thats like "immobile rotation". unchecked it'd still let immobile affect the bone based on translation, but not reduce the mobility on rotation

i see there's a canny post on it. i'll support it there

Is there any reason why physbones won’t work on this? TwT it’s confuzzlin me.

[timber jewel]

what do you mean with "won't work"

[near grove]

Oh like, there’s no physics

[timber jewel]

when you touch it?

[near grove]

Yee

[tender dome]

you need to increase collision radius

[timber jewel]

Yeah, you need to have a collision radius higher then 0

[mortal plume]

how many bones are there in the chain