open-beta-discussion

[sleek badger]

oh

[verbal scaffold]

or just make it one-sided, only other can grab your hand

max angle...

[lime yarrow]

No, on quest you won't be able to do it at all

[verbal scaffold]

idk, i've had quest user shake my hand :3

[sleek badger]

but i dont wanna change that.. same as the hair, i just dont want it to move in one direction

[lime yarrow]

They won't see it

They won't see your hand be grabbed

Only you will

On pc

[verbal scaffold]

so the quest user that freaked out being able to shake my hand couldn't see my hand being shook huh

right

[lime yarrow]

They shouldn't have been able to

[sleek badger]

also max angle is already at 180 and isnt doing shit 🙂 👍

[lime yarrow]

Constraints don't work on quest. Period

[jovial sedge]

A lot of Quest users use external applications and stuff to emulate PCVR, don't forget that

[sleek badger]

i guess their quest is haunted xD

[lime yarrow]

Unless you're using that weird modded client

[verbal scaffold]

didnt use constraints

[lime yarrow]

In which case boo to you

[jovial sedge]

All my friends who have the Quest 2 are playing in PCVR through shenanigans

[sleek badger]

huh?

[verbal scaffold]

haha shenanigans

[sleek badger]

shenanigans?... i mean.. you can just... plug your quest.. into your pc

[lime yarrow]

That's not emulating pcvr

[smoky pilot]

How do you take off the beta on quest

[verbal scaffold]

or air link

[sleek badger]

yes

[lime yarrow]

That's just using pcvr

[sleek badger]

because it IS pcvr

[lime yarrow]

I'm talking about quest standalone vrchat

That should be obvious

Quest standalone cannot see or use constraints

[quaint geode]

set version to live, then uninstall and reinstall VRChat

[violet pewter]

do the same that get you to open beta, you may need to uninstall and reinstall the game tho

[sleek badger]

they literally said ''playing in pcvr''

[lime yarrow]

And if you didn't use constraints you used a modded client which is a bannable offense

[sleek badger]

so.. i assumed.. they were playing.. pc vr

duh xD

[jovial sedge]

I dunno what the process is like, it's not like I have a Quest lol

I think whatever they do is more like streaming it

[sleek badger]

its a bannable offense to have a vrchat that works better than actual vrchat?

[lime yarrow]

Lmao

Modded clients are against the terms of service yes

And will get you banned if you get caught

[sleek badger]

yeah but thats kinda dumb

i mean imagine beatsaber without modding

[lime yarrow]

The "grabbable limbs" mod (I've seen it before)

[sharp ocean]

one question, do i uninstall to add the beta to get more tracking points?

[jovial sedge]

It's because it's a multiplayer environment, totally different thing

[sleek badger]

anyways im gonna make grabbable hands the good legal christian way now

[jovial sedge]

Sure some mods are harmless but a lot also can screw over other people playing with you

[sleek badger]

do i just apply it to the hands?

[lime yarrow]

If you're on quest standalone you can't. Are you on PCVR?

[sleek badger]

or fingers as well

[violet pewter]

yes it's either open beta or IK beta ^^'

[sharp ocean]

oki

thx

[sleek badger]

also i shouldnt need to apply to the arms right? since they should just move with the hands.. else.. there wouldnt really be much point to them being grabbable xD

[lime yarrow]

It's not as simple as you think

You can't just add physbones to the arms

It will break

[sleek badger]

wait hold on

yeah

how do i make my hands grabbable if im not allowed to put physbones on them

[lime yarrow]

I'm telling you it requires three sets of arm bones and constraints

[sleek badger]

that sounds like.. excessively complicated

[lime yarrow]

It is

[sleek badger]

ugh

thats dumb then

nevermind

[lime yarrow]

Because it isn't an "intended vrchat feature"

It is a "community workaround"

[jovial sedge]

it's heavily gimmicking Unity to pull it off

[sinful crest]

is the unity version the same as live?

[jovial sedge]

is there a video guide on it somewhere though? 👀

[violet pewter]

yes

[sleek badger]

what should i put here for expressions?

[sinful crest]

ok ty

[sharp ocean]

@violet pewterhow do i download the new version?

[violet pewter]

if you dont know then you probably have nothing to put here, leave default

[lime yarrow]

It requires your "real arms" (the ones you control) to have no mesh weighted to them, then your mesh is weighted to another pair of dummy bones, and then lastly you have a third arm that has physbones on it. And the dummy arm with the mesh gets constrained to either your "real arm" or your "Physbone arm" when your Physbone arm is grabbed or let go

[violet pewter]

the open beta? on what platform are you?

[sharp ocean]

steam with index

[violet pewter]

in the properties of the game in steam, in the beta tabs, choose open beta

it should make it update automatically, restart steam if it dont

[sharp ocean]

im soooo dum ;-;

[violet pewter]

no it's okay dw ahah

[sleek badger]

are you sure?

[violet pewter]

yep

[sleek badger]

i mean i made expressions in the vroid

idk if it came with them tho

[violet pewter]

ah then you need to do the animations

[sleek badger]

oh

[lime yarrow]

If you need help setting up an avatar you should be looking at tutorials

[jovial sedge]

Oof yeah that does sound complicated, sounds doable though... has someone made a more thorough guide or do I just gotta go off this

[sharp ocean]

@violet pewter what is better open beta or ik?

[lime yarrow]

Not having us walk you through it step by step in here lmao

This channel is for discussing the open beta specifically

[sleek badger]

i literally just asked about one singular step though

i never asked ''how do i add expressions''

[lime yarrow]

Okay but if you knew how you'd know what that part is for

It's pretty important

Anyway that's okay

[violet pewter]

IK let you try the new ik (up to 10 tracking point, a ton of bug fixe for fbt etc) open beta is about the news avatars dynamics

[sleek badger]

eh?

[lime yarrow]

It for your expression menu

[violet pewter]

ik let you play with peoples on live too

[verbal scaffold]

this is for if you know how to do most things, just not niche open-beta stuffs

[lime yarrow]

The one that lets you access your action menu

Expression menu is a customizable menu you set up to control your avatar

[sharp ocean]

@violet pewterwhat is the beta access code?

[sleek badger]

i am so not ready to text out the fullbody tracking but hErE i Go @-@

[lime yarrow]

It is a huuuge part of making an Av3 avatar

[violet pewter]

there's none, just choose it and should be good

[sleek badger]

ive been sitting in this chair all day im not prepared to get up now xD

[lime yarrow]

Not sure. I haven't looked. I saw a couple people doing it and instantly understood it, but I think they're also using some tricks to get it to act more natural with the IK

And I didn't look into it because it's not something I want to do right now

So I'm not sure if there's a comprehensive guide or not. Hopefully somebody will chime in if there is

[jovial sedge]

Oh well, if there isn't now there will probably be one down the road

[lime yarrow]

Oh yeah definitely

That's why I love this community

Either a tutorial or a (Unity) helper script will get made eventually. To let you set it up "automagically" haha

[jovial sedge]

Yeah, I was kinda just taking shots in the dark with this whole physbone stuff until some people made videos on it and now I have a decent enough understanding on it all

[lime yarrow]

Part of the fun for me when it comes to these things is figuring it out myself, though I recognize not everybody has the time for that

I don't watch tutorials like ever

It's like a puzzle

[jovial sedge]

I've got no grip on Unity at all so I don't think I'm really capable of flipping switches randomly yet but that sums up half of my Blender experience honestly

[crimson nexus]

Besides the avatar dynamics hub, do y'all know of any avatar worlds with avatar dynamics for quest?

[sleek badger]

WHY

NOW

AGHH

[warm cedar]

reconnect my friend

[violet pewter]

kekw

[warm cedar]

My school has those issue constantly

[sleek badger]

the literal SECOND i wanna hop into vr to test the avatar

[warm cedar]

reconnect until it does the right thing

[sleek badger]

yeahh thats not how that works

[violet pewter]

my internet sucked too much today i couldn't play vrc at all, just connect, but i still technically had internet :^)

i barely managedto test 5min my avi before getting disconnected and trying for now idk 2h

dies

[sleek badger]

you literally just proved it doesnt work

reconnecting doesnt magically fix the internet

its just shit rn

i have to wait for it to stop being shit

[warm cedar]

are you using a shitty provider?

[sleek badger]

no idea

[warm cedar]

well it's sad that you have to wait to be able to test your avi

take a cookie while you wait

🍪

[sleek badger]

thanks 8-8

waiit..

oh i fkn knew it

grrrrrrr

why does it just do that sometimes >:(

[rigid pollen]

Tried restarting your modem?

[sleek badger]

oh my god

i am going to fucking murder someone

[sleek badger]

no you fkn uninstall the driver is what you do

so i did that

restart my pc

internet works fine

wait ages to get into pcvr

take even more ages to get into steam vr

go through the entire process off calibrating my kinect tracking

finally go into vrchat

and the fucking wifi cuts out again

[jovial sedge]

you get up
you mow the lawn
it grows

[sleek badger]

first just ipv4 like last time

then ipv6 as well

then ipv6 has internet again

and then not again

can someone just like throw me at a wall

i dont wanna do this anymore

i hate technology

[jovial sedge]

I've come to accept everything in the circle of VR is going to be frustrating and/or painful in one way or another

First year of owning a VR headset I was pretty impatient, now I feel like I could wait out the sun dying out if I could live long enough after putting up with everything I've had to

[turbid chasm]

Anyone got tips on what the phys bone settings for hair should be?

[jovial sedge]

It's really down to preference honestly, hard to make something objectively bad

I can give mine either way though if you want something to work off of

[turbid chasm]

It would be helpful please ^_^

[jovial sedge]

You can ignore the Colliders part, that's just model specific stuff

[turbid chasm]

Ty very much for the help < :

[dim lotus]

hello how do i get the open beta on quest 2

[stable mantle]

Need to open the oculus app on your phone & visit VRChat's store page, or visit the quest listing on the website when logged in.

If you scroll down to "version" you can click the version number and switch to the beta channel.

Within 30 minutes it should tell you theres an update on the Quest for VRChat.

[dim lotus]

ok but the wired thing is im on the quest app on my pc it said versoin i put that to open beta but i think i need to create a new acc cuz it says get when i look at it on the app

it just installed

[sleek badger]

ok

fkn

finally

im so tired

it lookslike part of the tail is weight painted to the head

idk why but animations or whatever vrchat calls them dont work

(like dance, backflip, etc)

its grey and when i click o it it makes a weird noise

[dim lotus]

k im going to see my quest now brb

[sleek badger]

she's sinking a bit into the ground but i guess thats just kind of the case with fullbody tracking in general

also.. open beta doesnt include imrpoved ik :(((

aha!

there we go

found it

how do i paint all of it?

can i just select these vertices to be 0 weight?

[dim lotus]

wait can some one send a link that leads to the inscrutons for the beta

[crimson nexus]

^?

[dim lotus]

i need help with that i need help to get to the quest 2 beta

[jovial sedge]

oh wow so I technically was right then lol

I had this exact very problem happen once and I don't really know how or why but there's a way to fix this kinda stuff without hunting each single bone down like a psycho

[sleek badger]

how your model looks in unity

how your model looks in vrchat (in vr)

tell me im wrong 😂

legit why are her freaking hands so big 😂 theyre like really small

i was thinking maybe something about scaling by height vs armlength but i couldnt test that because vrchat is stupid and decided to exclude the better ik for the new beta

[jovial sedge]

it's to separate which build is causing which issues I'd imagine

shove it all into one thing and it gets harder to track what's wrong with what

[slender ocean]

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/2.79/sculpt_paint/painting/weight_paint/hide_mask.html

shift+k to fill while in mask mode

[sleek badger]

yep thanks

ughh i was asleep around this time last night 😭 and today i havent even eaten anything.. and am far from asleep, or even in bed

ill replace the fbx with the fixed weight painting in unity and thats IT

i am completely drained

literally spent my entire day on this

[jovial sedge]

Yeah reminds me of my day 1 in Unity

you eventually remember breaks are something you need to do after the excitement dies off and it's just stress left over

[sleek badger]

literally

like 13 hours

straight

i have done literally nothing else all day

i havent even eaten anything

well i bit into like one sandwich

but i never finished it idk why

i wasnt really feeling it and i got carried away with unity

im not even hungry for some reason

[sleek badger]

lolll yep

that is my current state

[jovial sedge]

pure unfiltered dopamine

makes you not really feel things that you should feel

[sleek badger]

but now i cant even get a break because im stressed its so late already

and my sleeping schedule was just getting better so i dont wanna mess it up again T_T

[jovial sedge]

yeah good luck, iirc daylight savings is done tonight which means you're getting an hour less of sleep as is :^)

[sleek badger]

its literally like

[sleek badger]

oh g r e a t

oh

nah

not here ig

not until after my bday

question

why do we only do daylight savings in summer

or.. well, warmer months

why not all year

i mean if there is any time we need more daylight its winter

...ah

fkn americans xD/j

see this is why you should just get up later.. xD

if you get up and its dark, its too early

• a night owl

anyways

one annoying thing i found

if you do your phys bones from one bone

like for example my bow tie

you cant grab two of those at once :(

noticed i couldnt ''adjust'' my bowtie

it only let me grab one part at a time of it

but what i WAS able to do was grab two separate parts of my hair at the same time

so.. thats annoying

[jovial sedge]

You can't grab two physbones of the same chain right now, I don't think we really know if that's a bug or just a limitation

[sleek badger]

now whats going on ?-?

if i wiggle her now this tail just kinda.. protrudes out her back

im pretty sure its the start of the tail

but why is it moving with it

why is it wiggly

i didnt add a phys bone to it

and i didnt add it as a root bone either

and this didnt happen until i removed the weight painting from the head either as far as i can tell

nope nevermind found it -_-

[vapid carbon]

So how do u get out of open beta ._ .

[violet pewter]

on what platform are you?

[vapid carbon]

Oculus quest 2

[violet pewter]

you do the same you did to get to open beta, and then you have to uninstall the game from your headset and reinstall it again

[quaint geode]

set platform version to live, uninstall and reinstall VRChat

[vapid carbon]

I tried that and it didn't work

[sleek badger]

huzzah :)

no more tail sticky outies

now i gotta force myself to stop torturing myself with unity and get some rest

[violet pewter]

verify back that the version is set to live and try again? reboot your headset after uninstalling before reinstalling back maybe?

[quaint geode]

I heard having multiple accounts on the Quest could make it more complicated

not sure if the game can be installed multiple times on different accounts, or if the version switch back to live has to be done on the main account on the device*

[sleek badger]

so.. how do i convert dynamic bones into physbones again?

[violet pewter]

in the sdk or runtime in game?

[quaint geode]

In Unity or Ingame?

[sleek badger]

unity

[violet pewter]

you should have a button in the sdk board

[sleek badger]

wait but dont i need the new sdk?

do i just drop that one in as well?

[violet pewter]

you need

[sleek badger]

sleep

[violet pewter]

to convert dynamic to physbones, you need the openbeta sdk and dynamic bone in your project, then in the page where you see your avatar perf one of the warning should be about dynamicbones

[sleek badger]

okay ty

wait i go in the menu thingy and auto fix it?

[violet pewter]

you installed a new version of the sdk on another one or something?

[sleek badger]

..yes..? i think?

if i understand your question

[violet pewter]

totaly remove it then and install the last sdk

[sleek badger]

this is an old project with the old sdk and dynamic bones

[sleek badger]

well why didnt anyone tell me that sooner >:(

[violet pewter]

(you always should remove the sdk before installing a new version)

[sleek badger]

i mean i only see this one

whatever

[quaint geode]

the previous SDK you had, was it: SDK2 or SDK3?

[sleek badger]

cool now im pink

[sleek badger]

3

[violet pewter]

shaders goes brrr

[sleek badger]

do i leave or delete these

[quaint geode]

wait wait

[violet pewter]

what was that?

[quaint geode]

deleting the old SDK before bringing in the new SDK is not recommended if it's SDK3 Avatars

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/updating-the-sdk

[devout sapphire]

how can i make a button trigger that activates an animation like a toggle? where it STAYS ON as opposed to play only once per button press?

[sleek badger]

AAAAAAA

[violet pewter]

oh lol good to know, i never used different version accross the same project anyway personnaly x)

[sleek badger]

i couldve just continued 🥲

oh...

great..

it autosaved the change against my will

cool

thats fine

thats cool

thats great

this is great

[violet pewter]

(also ig this betasdk is an exeption lol #open-beta-announcements message)

[sleek badger]

thanks naia :,,)

[violet pewter]

what's the problem exactly?

[sleek badger]

the problem is now the old sdk is gone even though apparently thats NOT what im supposed to do

do i just drop the new one in anyways and hope for the best?????????

[molten cobalt]

basically the Avatar broke all of its references to the sdk?

[violet pewter]

yea should be good

yea well when reimporting back the sdk it automatically fix it

[sleek badger]

idk??

again what do i do with these

[violet pewter]

leave them

[sleek badger]

okay

[violet pewter]

import last sdk

[sleek badger]

ok there

now what do i do

[violet pewter]

(also why would ur shaders be broken if you remove the vrc sdk? ig you were using the shaders provided by the sdk maybe?)

[sleek badger]

yep

i was using vrchat specific shaders

[violet pewter]

go to vrcsdk, in the build section one of the perf warning should be about dynamicbones with a button to autoconvert

(ofc this process isn't perfect and it's highly recommended that afters you tweaks them manually etc)

[hard turret]

Quick question about contacts
If I want to play an animation on both avatars when there is a contact, do I need to have both a sender and a receiver on each avatar (like, overlapping in the same spot)
For example a simple nose boop. I can make the avatar being booped play a sound, but if I want the person nosebooping to also play a sound do I also add a sender to the nose and a receiver on the hand of the other person?

or is there a better/proper way to do this?

[sleek badger]

which one of these is even the one in my viewport anymore-

[sleek badger]

thank youu

so you do do it like i thought

okey

[violet pewter]

i think yes? if i understand well what you mean yea ig that the way to do it

[hard turret]

Yeah it makes sense and it's pretty straightforward, just wanted to check if there might be a better way to do it

[devout sapphire]

how can i make a button trigger that activates an animation like a toggle? where it STAYS ON as opposed to play only once per button press? please DM me or send a video if you could :x

[violet pewter]

oh no wait,
reading again, no you should just make so when you're booped it trigger the sound, avatar sound can be heard by anyone (that have the safety enabled for)

or u meant like they play another sound?

then yea it's what you said

[hard turret]

Oh, no I just used sound as an example. I'm doing separate animation with particles and stuff for each avatar

[violet pewter]

then yea

[hard turret]

Yep, thanks!

[last cairn]

How do I leave beta? ^^'

I switched it back and everything

But its not letting me

[little python]

How exactly do i get it on quest

[violet pewter]

you're on quest?

[last cairn]

Yes

[violet pewter]

uninstall and reinstall it back

[last cairn]

Okay, thank you

[violet pewter]

#open-beta-discussion message

[little python]

Thanks

[sleek badger]

why cant i grab stuff in game tab anymore?

also which one of these is the one thats showing in my view?

cause i wanna edit the fbx in blender

and idk which to replace

i think is this..?

.........im just gonna hope..

[violet pewter]

probably the name of the camera

[violet pewter]

throw them in your scene and compare x)

[sleek badger]

too late

[violet pewter]

https://vrclibrary.com/wiki/books/random-assorted-tips-with-trixxed/page/physbones-how-to-grab-them-in-the-editor

[nocturne copper]

if you try to move a bone that has physbones attached directly to it, it wont move. try selecting the hips or armature and test physbones that way

[sleek badger]

welp!

seems to have worked :)

wait

[violet pewter]

no? in the game view i always was able to move my physbones directly

[sleek badger]

didnt it need a tag?

idk which tho

guess ill click the link

[nocturne copper]

ah must be different for me then.

[sleek badger]

ah

maincamer-

wait

but it IS maincamera

[violet pewter]

delete it and create it again

so you're sure idk x)

[sleek badger]

oh right

you need two bones

or wait

no you dont

you just change the endpoint position?

i forgot xD

[violet pewter]

from your screenshots it should be good

[sleek badger]

ah yeah

that seems to work

[violet pewter]

you need an enpoint to include the last bone of your chain (so yea is needed if only one bones)

[nocturne copper]

so, im not sure if this is happening to anyone else. but in game i load into my avatar, and the walking animations, my view point and positions of my hands are very broken. but its just certain avatars?

[sleek badger]

okayso

it lets me grab the snoot

but ears refuse to work

idk why

grabbing is enabled

and they worked just a second ago too

[violet pewter]

very much probably that its dynamic/physbone that is placed on a humanoid bone (what break the most hips and head)

so a bunch of avatar with runtime autoconvert dynamic to phys break cuz of that.
and can break if you yourself put the physbones on your hips/head out of habits

[nocturne copper]

omg thanks i did put one on my hips for a tail out of habit from dyanmic bones

ill try that

[violet pewter]

👍

(basically from what i understand, compared to dynamic bone physbone root bone can rotate, + there's a tracking bug if setting physbones on humanoid bones even if doing the right exclusion)

[verbal scaffold]

best part is the -parameter- section

[tender dome]

every public open beta instance

rindo's everywhere

[jovial sedge]

there's already a specific avatar trend???

[tender dome]

yeah someone made a public rindo with physbones

and every quest user has it cloned

[dim cloak]

lol

[tender dome]

im not really complaining, rindo is a cutie

[sleek badger]

.....oh no xD

this is uh.. hm xD

[jovial sedge]

working as intended

[sleek badger]

... help? :")

[visual sage]

select the mesh and armature in blender and press ctrl + A and apply all transfrom and export your model again

[sleek badger]

okay thanks i will try

[near grove]

I can’t find anybody

[hollow robin]

Yo anyone know how to leave beta on Quest? Me and a friend are currently stuck and I was wondering if anyone can help

[tepid notch]

I've heard uninstalling and reinstalling works for some, but for most you'll have to factory reset your headset

[sleek badger]

didnt do anything :(

looks the same

in unity

help

https://tenor.com/view/tears-sad-cute-kitty-cat-gif-14193216

[shrewd estuary]

avatar spread speedrun

[sleek badger]

sad ball noises

[sleek badger]

can someone please help me? :"(

[native wing]

Did you unpack the prefab? You might have to add another model to the scene and copy/paste your physbones and descriptor

[near grove]

What does factory reset even do to…that?

Because I’m afraid to even try

I might as well uninstall again

Hey, I know many people have asked this but I've changed it back to live then uninstalled and reinstalled over and over but it still wont take me off of open beta?

[urban kettle]

I was just about to ask that

[near grove]

Lol

[near grove]

I stayed on live, then just uninstalled, hoping it works

Just now actually

Did it work?

Cause hasn't for me yet

[near grove]

Oh im waiting a while lol

[near grove]

Alright

[near grove]

Lemme tell you I lowkey panicked, because everyone suddenly disappeared and I was in a public Murder 4 world too. Then after a few hours I drew up lines and figured it was this

[scarlet smelt]

I was scared when I first did it ;-;

[near grove]

I see

[scarlet smelt]

I heard people's things werent going back and i thought i was one of them

but thankfully i came back 😄

[near grove]

How???

[near grove]

Some people got hit. So, like, who’s taking care of this issue?

[scarlet smelt]

who knows...

but i had thought of something

[near grove]

Facebook lol

Probably

[jovial sedge]

it's up to Oculus

dumb issue with their dumb and bad software

[near grove]

Absolutely skadiddly ahh software 💀

[scarlet smelt]

What if you guys cleared your cache.. and then re-installed?

[near grove]

Did dat

[scarlet smelt]

FU-

welp, nothing else to do but wait

hang out in the avatar dynamics room

[jovial sedge]

as someone who still has the Rift S I literally suffer every day I use VR because the software is SO bad

[scarlet smelt]

with random kids 😔

[scarlet smelt]

as somebody with the oculus quest 2 with bad guardian support and bad battery i suffer slower than you do and the software is worse :DDDD

[jovial sedge]

at least they try to give the quest support

[scarlet smelt]

true

[jovial sedge]

rift s lost support the moment the original quest got more sales :^)

We've been in the dark for Oculus for years

[scarlet smelt]

oof...

[stable mantle]

Factory reset doesn't do anything. You just have to uninstall VRChat, switch back to the main branch, and wait a while till the Quest "syncs up" with the setting, then you can install. I have no idea why it's not immediate.

[scarlet smelt]

sorry lil bot buddy, but i get it now

[near grove]

Main branch? Like the dropdown panel you use to switch between beta and live? Do I gotta keep my Bluetooth on? I gotta record a track for goodness gracious

[scarlet smelt]

So, you gotta wait until the quest notices that it's one game needs it to switch over.

[frosty river]

Make sure you are not trying to change from beta to live while using a guest account on the quest, seems can only do it while using the main account.

[sleek badger]

bump :,(

idk why but the hierarchy is totally different in configuration mode

i dont understand T/T

[near grove]

Fair enough

[scarlet smelt]

so... its telling us to touch grass-

[near grove]

What do we use to make avatars again? Or is it just ingame as I keep forgetting

[near grove]

Why touch grass when I can eat ass?

[scarlet smelt]

true true

[near grove]

Imma go call my bf fr 🤣

[scarlet smelt]

LOL

[near grove]

Where can I make an avatar?

Or is it in-game

[native wing]

Thats kinda vague. Do you want to make it from scratch, or a website you can design one?

[near grove]

I fixed!!!!

[near grove]

Both really

[sleek badger]

i mean if you want an anime avatar vroid studio is a pretty good starting point

[native wing]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-your-first-avatar

[sleek badger]

you can import and edit it in blender from there for the ''from scratch'' part

or just use as is

(although youll have to convert it and possibly make some adjustments)

[leaden cairn]

I don't know if this would help, but often I have to click on the model, click "Rig" in the inspector, change "Animation Type" to "None", hit "Apply", change "Animation Type" to "Humanoid", and hit "Apply" to get unity to detect rig changes. If you had a problem with scale/rotation/size and you applied transforms in blender (ctlr + a > apply all transforms), unity doesn't detect that without re-generating the rig. idk why, if anyone knows @ me
Not sure if this will help, just thought I might be something to try

[distant coral]

can someone help me out with a slight issue im having with the new dynamics beta?
whenever i try to play on virtual desktop and launch vrc while on my quest i cant see my freinds even though we all have beta installed

[sleek badger]

ah tbank you!! i havent thought of that, ill try that tomorrow

[leaden cairn]

yeah, it took me a while of "why do these changes to the armature not make it better" to figure that one out xD

[mental marsh]

anyone trying to hang out in the open beta?

[near grove]

Sorrry

[minor grotto]

Maybe a silly question, but is the beta SDK compatible with the live build. As long as i don't upload beta stuff with the avatar? Or should i just make a brand new project

[visual path]

What do the collision tags do

[proven oxide]

its compatible! I uploaded both dynamic and phys bone avis from it, for the live and beta

it doesnt restrict them to one version, the phys bones just wont work on live

[minor grotto]

Alright, Thanks :)

[proven oxide]

np! <3

[unkempt sentinel]

if i make a hand bone grabbable will the IK track to it?

[inner kayak]

i saw someone in game do that, not sure if it was directly on their hand though

i do know that someone was using a duplicate of their armature with physbones activating constraints to make themselve posable

just try it and see i guess

[unkempt sentinel]

👍

[novel olive]

not true rift is genuinely worse

Quest 2 feels much better because atleast you have the option of skipping oculus PC software altogether and just using Virtual Desktop

and besides that its actually properly supported

Rift was dropped in support super early in favor of quest

[novel olive]

any chance of upgrading?

you could sell your Rift S on the second hand market to make up a part of the cost of a Quest 2

[minor grotto]

So for contact recievers and senders. Should the animations be in FX or Gesture?

[leaden cairn]

Fx Layer

[minor grotto]

Thanks

[tulip beacon]

is anyone having issues using phys bones, where certain body parts arent allowing the new bones?

[plucky owl]

a friend gifted me vrc+ while in the IK beta, and I can't see it

[tulip beacon]

So the Dynamic bone shows and works but the phys bone isnt showing or working

[timber jewel]

You need to set an end point

[gaunt nymph]

Anyone else stuck in beta

[vague nacelle]

If you can't switch back you have to factory reset your headset and it should allow to to switch back and forth freely other than that I have found no other fix.

[gaunt nymph]

Fuckkkkk Ok ty

[vague nacelle]

I had to do the same sadly...

On the bright side my new physbone avatar world is uploaded and public finally. So that was an exciting first world build. ;-;

[gaunt nymph]

Woo

[jaunty sentinel]

huh

cant you just, uninstall the game and clear app data?

if you have no data of the app from clearing it surely it would let you reinstall live

nukeing the entire headseat seems overkill

[vague nacelle]

Too late for me to try that now XD

I already nuked it at this point ;-; I also found an issue with my worlds mirrors being both on at the same time. I hope to fix it here soon as I put my hook my PC back together when I get the chance too.

[fresh peak]

I filled in the values from Dynamic Bone into Phys Bone, and the performance of the two seems to be quite different... Do i have to adjust myself? Or did I fill it in wrong?

[timber jewel]

you can't just copy stuff over, you should have just used the auto conversion tool

if you have the open beta SDK, you can just select an Avatar with Dynamic Bones in the Builder of the SDK and click on Autofix for it

[fresh peak]

okay! Thank you very much

[fresh peak]

Will phys Bone no longer need to set collisions on the hand, unlike previous dynamic bone?

[minor grotto]

Damn, i wish you could set a contact receiver to be a flat plane. Would make my project alot easier lol

[timber jewel]

Nope they don't, your hands automatically have colliders placed in to them and you also don't need to add them to your phys bones

[warm cedar]

To add colliders onto physbones, do you have to add physbone colliders to the bones themselves?

[dark delta]

Is more than 3 trackers available now? I’m on the beta but 4 trackers didn’t work the 4th doesn’t do anything do I need to do 5 one for the other limb as well?

[warm cedar]

#ik-2

[dark delta]

I’m on the beta

[warm cedar]

The IK beta, or dynamics?

because Dynamics beta is not the 10-point tracking beta

[dark delta]

Ik

[warm cedar]

Then you're in the wrong chat my friend

[dark delta]

Oh

I asked there too then

I didn’t realize this was for a different thing

Just says open beta….

[timber jewel]

wdym?

[warm cedar]

Well I just stopped working on it, but there's a "collider" array inside the editor

[timber jewel]

If you have a collider somewhere on your Avatar and want it to collide with a phys bone, you need to add 1 to the collision size on the phys bone and then drag the collider in the new slot you created. Or are you talking about something completely different?

[unkempt crag]

Is there a way to reset a posed bone without resetting the avatar?

[timber jewel]

at the moment there isn't, but there is a suggestion to the canny to add a rest button for the phys bones

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-feedback-add-a-button-in-action-menu-specifically-for-resetting-physbones-t

[near grove]

How do I carry this new update to my quest 2?

[timber jewel]

#open-beta-info

I have to say, this is a really cool idea
https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/td1ort/im_making_haptic_vest_interface_in_vrchat_with/

[sleek badger]

oh?

[sleek badger]

oh!!!!!!! !I JUST REALized what THE ISSUE WAS!!

look!!!!!!!

[wraith island]

Oh reddit embeds got better

[sleek badger]

ill still try the switching from and back to humanoid thing

ayyyy and it actually worked!!!!

tysm @leaden cairn !!

im still confused as to why configure looks so different tho??????

actually maybe i should ask this somewhere else?

idk

ill ask somewhere else

[delicate maple]

help

i get this error when trying to upload or do anything

in the game scene

what is happening?!?!?!

[cinder gale]

If you and someone else are in the beta can you two still play?

[inner kayak]

yes

beta can join beta
live can join live
beta cannot join live

[delicate maple]

anyone know how to fix

[inner kayak]

trying to grab a physbone in game view?

or clicking on upload screen?

[delicate maple]

literally clicking on the game view at all while it is "playing" will cause the error

[inner kayak]

do that to your camera

[wispy herald]

Did they fix the issue with beta can’t go back to live

[delicate maple]

there isnt a camera in my scene

[inner kayak]

add a camera

mark it as MainCamera

[delicate maple]

that fixed it

[inner kayak]

you can grab and pose physbones from game view now too

[inner kayak]

not a vrchat issue, the admin account on your quest needs to switch the game back to LIVE

then reinstall

[delicate maple]

also i have to select this right?

[inner kayak]

yes

[delicate maple]

alright

[wispy herald]

I did I just wanted to know Bc I did that didn’t work so I had to reinstall vrchat to work again

[inner kayak]

The Beta version of the game is newer than Live, so Oculus does not treat it as an update. You'll always have to reinstall after switching to Live to get the Quest to download the correct version.

[wispy herald]

Ah ok 👌

[rough pumice]

Is anyone else’s avatar’s elbows still clipping through their body in the IK Beta?

I’m only in half body but I thought the new IK was supposed to stop that from happening

[mortal pumice]

when i imported the latest sdk i got these 8 errors

[quaint geode]

in Unity, try deleting the file mentioned at the bottom of #open-beta-announcements to fix it

[mortal pumice]

doesnt exist

[quaint geode]

try using the Asset search (the search bar directly above the Assets) for PhysboneMigration

[mortal pumice]

i did

its just

not there

[quaint geode]

weird XD

I assume you were using the previous Beta SDK, and upgraded to the most recent Beta SDK, and it triggered these errors?

what it might be, is when the beta SDK is imported, it's also supposed to grab the Burst and Mathematics packages too

[mortal pumice]

i mean

i just imported it over the normal sdk

and then when that didnt work

i deleted the whole folder and reimported it fresh

[quaint geode]

hmmmm, while deletion installs/upgrades are not usually recommended for SDK3 Avatars, the Burst and Mathematics packages still should of been imported when you added the Beta SDK hmmm

you might be able to manually add the two packages through the package manager (Window -> Package Manager), but I can't say I've actually done this myself

Burst 1.4.11 (Aug 16, 2021), Mathematics 1.2.5 (Nov 8, 2021), are the two packages that should of been imported with the Beta SDK

since the new PhyBones need them

Burst requires Mathematics as a dependency

[mortal pumice]

i alr have both added

[quaint geode]

WHAT XD I have no clue then ._.

wait, did you upgrade a SDK2 project to SDK3 Beta?

[mortal pumice]

nope

sdk3

and there were no errors in the original project either

im just gonna attempt to upload and see what happens

[quaint geode]

not sure if it will build with errors in the project, it will probably just say missing prefab on upload, since it doesn't build

[maiden gust]

hey am might be a silly question but how do i test the stretch property for the bones in unity

far as i remember there was some way to do it right?

[quaint geode]

you can test the PhyBones in Unity in Play mode, with the Game view

you can click and drag on them

[near grove]

Do u guys know if beta ends today and when the next update is?

[inner kayak]

june 12th, 1942

its a beta for a reason

[mortal pumice]

it uh

[near grove]

What

[mortal pumice]

worked fine?

[quaint geode]

I wonder if those are old errors then XD

well good it's working either way then

[near grove]

I'm asking does it end today, and when it's implemented into the live version of vrchat

[maiden gust]

i might be missing something cause...... u know im not able to do so..?

[quaint geode]

check if the radius of your PhyBones are larger than 0

[inner kayak]

no, when its polished enough

[maiden gust]

they are

[inner kayak]

right now is the stage where people test, report issues, and provide feedback

[near grove]

Alright thanks

[quaint geode]

there's a lot of relatively large bugs still on the PhyBones OpenBeta, there will be at the very least one more update to the beta before it goes live, but it could be weeks before it goes live

[near grove]

Oh OK

[quaint geode]

and who knows how many beta updates there will be before then

[bright jungle]

It's not going to end today no, especially since it's the weekend, and since so many features are still on the canny

[near grove]

Thanks for the help

[quaint geode]

is there a Main Camera on your scene (or a Camera tagged Main Camera)?

[near grove]

Yea I just found out about beta last night, talking to friends about how cool it would be to have dynamic bones on quest

[maiden gust]

yep

[bright jungle]

they're not dynamic bones note, they're physics bones

they do vv similar things, but physics bones are actually optimized properly, multithreaded, and you can have triggers/colliders/etc

they're also an in-house asset rather than a third-party one

[quaint geode]

when you try to click on them in the Game view, does it trigger any errors in the console?

[maiden gust]

nope

[quaint geode]

I think we covered everything though, can't think of anything else, unless you unchecked Allow Grabbing or something

[inner kayak]

set camera to MainCamera, set physbone radius above 0, enter play mode, in game view can grab physbones

if no work update sdk

[restive tapir]

I tried to conver dynamicbones of a secondary avatar within my avatar, at the moment i didnt had loaded the unitypackage. Does the convertion doesnt work if you dont have the dynamic bones loaded?

[molten cobalt]

yeah you would require Dynamic bones in your Unity install to do the conversion

[cinder gale]

Does anyone know what is up with quest users not being able to swap back to Live after using the beta

[timber jewel]

that's because Metas Update system wont downgrade to the live version because the beta is technically newer

[quaint geode]

for Oculus, set version to live, then uninstall and reinstall VRChat

[cinder gale]

So if in beta. set game version to live then uninstall and reinstall

[quaint geode]

correct

I heard there are some extra complications if there are multiple accounts on the device, but I haven't troubleshooted that personally

[wheat fjord]

Have any other PC users been in the open beta long enough to experience the 3D audio bug?

[quaint geode]

I've experienced it only in the Avatar Dynamics Hub (or whatever is the name of the test world), I haven't experienced it anywhere else

so I was kinda curious if it was associated with that world, or just a beta bug

[wheat fjord]

How long have you spent elsewhere with a high number of users?

[quaint geode]

very very little, is the problem XD

usually with only 1-2 other people outside that world

[wheat fjord]

I think it only occurs with a certain number of users

May have to do with how they're distributed and how much they're speaking

As it's a bug with 3D audio

[quaint geode]

did they actually make any changes to the 3d Audio this beta though?

[wheat fjord]

Only people who know that are the devs

[quaint geode]

yeah xD

[wheat fjord]

it may have been a change to something else that caused it

There was another audio bug before but this one is worse as the old one could be fixed by rejoining the world

Once you have the bug it occurs in every lobby and every world you go to

You have to restart VRChat

[timber jewel]

probably because so many people were there

[wheat fjord]

I'd like to investigate it more, but I need more people to test it

[near grove]

Anyone have issues when you can’t see people on open beta? I have

[quaint geode]

the current OpenBeta is not network compatible, meaning you will not be able to see other players on the live game client, only other players with the beta game client

[near grove]

Ok, so I have to uninstall and re-install in order to see other people

[quaint geode]

yes, you will have to set your version back to live, then (if on Oculus) uninstall and reinstall

[near grove]

This a very important message to everyone when going to open beta

[mortal plume]

I mean, it's always mentioned in the announcements

[cinder gale]

how do u enable the bones on quest?

[bright jungle]

See the top of #open-beta-info c:

[quaint geode]

there are no DynamicBones to convert to PhyBones on the Quest versions of avatars (since Quest avatars never allowed DynamicsBones)

therefore the avatar creators will have to update the avatars manually to have PhyBones

to test on the beta on Quest*, you'll have to find avatars updated specifically for the beta, you can find some in the Avatar Dynamics Hub (search "dynamics" in the world search)

to touch other people's PhyBones, and for people to interact with your PhyBones, both players have to have interactions turned on in the settings

there we go, I think I covered everything that you could possibly mean by that question xD

[timber jewel]

they could also just update them on PC and then port them over to Quest

[cinder gale]

ya just sucks because there arent cery many out there

[quaint geode]

a lot of content creators are updating their own personal avatars, and figuring out the new systems at the same time

the beta still has a bunch of bugs too that are people are waiting to get fixed before doing stuff* too

and some people just wait till it hits live before updating stuff so they don't have to worry about beta updates messing with things

but yeah with time we'll see more public avatars updated

it's kinda weird to update public avatars right now though, since the avatar creators would want to update both PC/Quest version with PhyBones at the same time

but if they did that, the avatar would lose DynBones on live (I think?)

[sonic wing]

where can i get the asset for the new dynamics

[flat patrol]

A yes, free manual labor.

[quaint geode]

PhyBones is in the Beta SDK package, which can be found on the Beta SDK links in #open-beta-announcements

newest one would be at the bottom

[sonic wing]

it would not let me download the sdk 3

[quaint geode]

does the links there not work for you?

seems to be working for me, just tried it again

[runic canyon]

does anyone know how to use the dynamic bone to pysbone converter i found the script but i dont know how to run it

[modest ivy]

It should be in VRCSDK > Tools

I think it also shows up in the builder tab as well

[small surge]

auto fix can do it, but if there was never any set up, you need to add physbone

[fluid girder]

I’m stuck in the beta

[modest ivy]

reinstall

[fluid girder]

Now what

[craggy lantern]

Same

[craggy lantern]

That doesn’t fix it

[modest ivy]

you set your version back to live right

before you reinstalled

[scenic phoenix]

To fix it (oculus) select live then reinstall the game if it asks to update skip update
For steam go back to properties then betas then select none

[leaden cairn]

Is it in A-Pose in blender? And no problem

[sleek badger]

it is

[marsh junco]

will/is there an option on pc to use dynamic bones instead of phys bones

[lusty rapids]

Just noticed ur profile pic I love the hazbin and helluva

[warm cedar]

Got a quick question about animation parameters on physbones, do I have to create a parameter named _stretched, or is it customized? I don't quite get it

[leaden cairn]

then you have to change it to a t-pose in blender if you want it to show up as a t-pose in the unity scene. Using pose mode should be fine to move the arms up and in cats, click apply as rest pose

make sure you do it symetrical. you can select the right side, click Ctrl + c then Ctrl + Shift + V, which should copy the selected bones and apply their transforms to the opposite side(this is in blender pose mode)

[gaunt flower]

the patch notes say that you can choose whether to convert all people's dynamic bones to physbones or not from your end but they eventually plan to convert everyone to physbones

[livid anvil]

anyone got any good quest avatars (or avi worlds) with the new physics?

[molten cobalt]

nope everybody's too busy working on their personal avatars

[livid anvil]

aww man

[molten cobalt]

so basically there's not much to do on the beta on Quest if you don't upload your own avatars

[livid anvil]

oh that sucks

i have no idea how to make avatars

[vital horizon]

how do people grab the physbones inside unity?

[livid anvil]

would anyone be willing to make me a physbones avatar?

[molten cobalt]

people are highly unlikely to make a whole Avatar for free for somebody

and physics bones aren't terribly complicated

[granite sigil]

Is there at least an estimated release date for the physbone update?

[vital horizon]

pls

[molten cobalt]

open betas never have estimated release dates for when they go live

[granite sigil]

Alright. Had no clue

[jovial sedge]

Go into play mode, and you can left click physbones with your mouse to move them around, then right click to pose them there if enabled

[vital horizon]

ty

[vital horizon]

dosent seem to be working

nvm it works

i dont understand this part

[near grove]

how do i get out of beta mode i switched back to live mode but i'm still in beta mode T-T

[hard pond]

do update
or
uninstall once and install again

[near grove]

Does Open Beta have dynamic bones?

on Quest

[molten cobalt]

they have physics bones not Dynamic Bones on Quest

[hard pond]

not dynamic bone, physbone.

read #open-beta-announcements

[molten cobalt]

https://twitter.com/soukichi_2/status/1503038512681029633?s=20&t=yWF8HNuectkA7SWytolibQ also this looks pretty cool

souki2512 (@soukichi_2)

ContactsとConstraintでいい感じに動くペット
まだ調整中だけど一段落ついたからとりあえず動画を・・・
#VRChat #AvatarDynamics https://t.co/EbApfdNcLD

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 13, 2022, 4:01 PM

[hard pond]

I saw that as world object but nor on avatar so make it interesting.

[near grove]

okay, how do I activate Phys bones? if not then I'll just read it.

[vital creek]

is it just me or on pc is the vertical sens higher than the horizontal sens?

[obtuse osprey]

any good physbone quest avatar worlds?

[muted brook]

this is dope

[hard pond]

worse a read first. too many things be there.

[near grove]

nvm, my friend sent the requirements, I am no good at making avatars haha.

[modern stream]

but it literally said dynamic bones 💀

[celest cloak]

Anyone know why I can’t see my friends in open beta even tho they are to

[molten cobalt]

https://i.gyazo.com/0dbd39449bc12cf022754f6c189f26e2.png

the only thing in the announcement about Dynamic bones is auto converting them to physics bones

https://i.gyazo.com/f3e1ae72a55d3b29efc0af1679087f14.png

[fierce wigeon]

Could we have a way to turn it off for everyone and allow people on an individual basis?

For interacting with it

[hard pond]

as told there, check exist canny and if not exist make new canny as feature request.

[tidal kayak]

@limpid spear To fix it (oculus) select live then reinstall the game if it asks to update skip update
For steam go back to properties then betas then select none

[indigo spindle]

What are all the open betas except for the physbones

[tidal kayak]

wym?

[indigo spindle]

There PC open betas

[muted brook]

there pc open betas.

[indigo spindle]

I heard there testing so that the arms of an avatar can wrap around the avatar instead of clipping

And there another one

[bright pewter]

They rewrote the entire IK solver and added hundreds of fixes but go off

[indigo spindle]

Ik solver

What is that

[molten cobalt]

basically the thing that determines where your avatar as the limbs should go only knowing about the controllers or The Trackers

[indigo spindle]

Oh

[molten cobalt]

so basically your limbs will move better in ik 2.0

[unkempt sentinel]

do i have to add the contact parameters to the parameter menu

[small surge]

only if you want value to be persistant, otherwise nope

[vital summit]

When will this beta come out fully? Or is it not known?

[timber jewel]

not known, there is no eta

[sonic wing]

it says the dynamics are not compatible do i have the right dynamics?

[distant coral]

why cant i see my freinds on virtual desktop even though we have beta enabled?(Quest 2 btw)

[warm cedar]

A magical component inside the game that calculates where your virtual body should move to if you move e.g your arm

I did not scroll down far enough lmfao

[sonic wing]

where can i get the physics bones?

[errant crane]

When on the physbones beta, i cant see other players when joining worlds, it just spits me out into an empty world. is that normal because of the beta?

[timber jewel]

This channel in a nutshell:

1. "How do I join the beta?"
2. "Why can't my friends see me?"
3. "How do I leave the beta?"
4. "Help! I'm stuck in the beta!"
5. "When will this come out for live?"

[distant coral]

💀

[sonic wing]

bc people dont know

[timber jewel]

Yes, it's normal. The beta is not network compatible, so you can only see players who are on the beta.

[sonic wing]

im trying to find where the physics bones is so i can make my avatar with the physics bones

[errant crane]

alrighty, thanks!

[thorn solstice]

When signing in to the vrchat sdk beta, there is a Use API field that can be set to Release or Dev. Should I be setting this to Dev when participating in the beta, or is this something else?

[vocal ember]

How do I switch back? I’m trying to join friends but it isn’t working

They aren’t in beta

[timber jewel]

@vocal ember ....

[vocal ember]

I’m asking if I can switch back to the live

[timber jewel]

You switch back the same way you entered

[vocal ember]

I did on the oculus app

[thorn solstice]

Are you on steam or oculus?

[vocal ember]

Oculus

Can I not switch back on oculus?

[distant coral]

u can

[thorn solstice]

Oculus

1. Log into Oculus.com
2. Go to the VRChat page in the Store or your Library:
   Oculus PC (Rift CV1 / Rift S): https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/997678176960598/
   Oculus Quest: https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/1856672347794301/
3. In Details, click Version, then (Live or release or equivalent).
4. Your application will update to the Live version!

I am basing this off of the post in #open-beta-info. not sure exactly what the version name will be.

[vocal ember]

I did that, I guess I’ll restart my headset

[timber jewel]

The Quest sometimes dosen't "update" back to the live version, in that case try either reinstalling VRChat, or if that doesn't work, you need to factory reset your Quest.

[thorn solstice]

Remember to backup any important data, like photos, before performing a factory reset. I don't know how it is handled on Quest.

[distant coral]

pls ;-;

[sonic wing]

where do u get the PhysBones?

[thorn solstice]

They are built into the beta sdk. the beta sdk also has an example to show how to use them.

"SDK3-Avatars contains an example avatar in VRCSDK\Examples3\Dynamics\Robot Avatar that is useful for trying out implementing Avatar Dynamics systems." -- quoted from https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-dynamics

[sonic wing]

thank u finally

[thorn solstice]

I am just getting familiar with the example myself, so I don't know much more yet.

[solemn nexus]

They really need to put a password on the oculus beta that you can only find if you read a warning that it's not compatible with live, haha

[timber jewel]

Or people could just start to read the documentation of a beta before trying it out

[solemn nexus]

Kids get excited to try out new features, they don't think that far ahead

[timber jewel]

I don't think kids are the ones who should play / test betas of something 😅

We really don't need to bring up that topic right now 😅

[solemn nexus]

yeah, my bad

Imma just zoop that one outta here

I've tried the beta though, do love how easy it is to set everything up

I should put an invisible trigger behind me that gives me a local hud display warning me if someone snuck up behind me
make them confused how I knew they were coming, haha

To any devs that swing by this chat, between this, OSC and the IK beta, you're all doing a fantastic job, best of luck to you

[indigo spindle]

When will physbones come out

[muted brook]

Still needs a good amount of time in the oven. So a couple weeks minimum

[indigo spindle]

Nice

[livid anvil]

anybody got any physbone avatars i can have?

[final ferry]

What are the major bugs for the open beta

[muted brook]

There are just a lot of rough edges with the autoconvert

And the missing inside colliders

[timber jewel]

There is a feedback website were everywhere people reported is listed, you can look at it if you wanna know

[near grove]

Where do people get the moo 10 avatars?

[timber jewel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com

[final ferry]

I hope those are easy fixes so we can have AD in public lobbies. I've been have a blast with them

And it's a bummer when switching to the old version

[sonic wing]

can we dm call bc i dont get it

[final ferry]

There's a robot dude where you test avatar dynamics and physbones

[sonic wing]

were is he

[final ferry]

In the sdk folder

There's should be an example scene

Where you can click

Or drag

[near grove]

Does anyone make avatars here im having trouble importing the sdk into unity

[sonic wing]

can i dm call u

[final ferry]

Sorry can't

[floral flint]

What trouble ?

[near grove]

I keep getting “cant generate normals for blendshape”

And it won’t import the sdk

[floral flint]

I don't think that's part of the SDK Nor is it an error, so it shouldn't cause any issue

[near grove]

It’s a warning but I can’t import the sdk

[sonic wing]

This is all i see in the sdk

[floral flint]

Make a new project ?

[floral flint]

You can see sample assets

[sonic wing]

oooh

[near grove]

Actually I see the same thing

Wait I’m dumb

It was right in my face

[sonic wing]

so what do i do after i click that?

[near grove]

I’m so confused it doesn’t look like the video I’m watching at all

[floral flint]

You can chose the sample scene with the default robot avatar, then you can see an example of physbones

[wheat fjord]

Except they are. And they're going to. Whether we think people should do something or not doesn't matter. People do whatever they want unless compelled not to.

[near grove]

That’s what I see

[timber jewel]

Why are you using Unity 2018?

[floral flint]

[near grove]

It’s what the video told me to use

[small surge]

win+shift+s , screengrab / paste

[near grove]

I’ve never done anything like this I’m just following what people are telling me lol

[sonic wing]

So uh

What now

[small surge]

But if thats the questions you are starting with its time to watch tutorials , not really guide someone step by step , you going to be here for a really long time

[near grove]

I’m guessing I have to download unity 2019

[leaden cairn]

It is 2022, use a screenshot, not your phone

[final ferry]

You want to click examples3

Not sample assets

[sonic wing]

ohhh ok

[small surge]

*BTW, did you know we had an example Avatar Dynamics avatar?! It's available in the SDK: VRCSDK\Examples3\Dynamics\Robot Avatar

[near grove]

What version of unity do I use

Because I’ve been thrown back and forth between 2018 and 2019

[sonic wing]

Mk did it now wat???

[near grove]

get 2019.4.31f1

thats what everyone should use rn

its what I use

okay im downloading it

[final ferry]

Do you have the right sdk

[near grove]

ill come back in an hour lol

[sonic wing]

Im not sure-

Can u send me the right one

[final ferry]

https://files.vrchat.cloud/sdk/VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.03.04.12.28_Public.unitypackage

There should be a third folder that says dynamics

[small surge]

Thats wrong, we are on *.10.14.12

#open-beta-announcements message

[sonic wing]

u-

[final ferry]

Thanks

Forgot they posted that in announcements

[small surge]

IsAnimate and some other got fixed, still a bug with humanoid bones to do

[final ferry]

your main goal is to get to this unity scene

[sonic wing]

thank you guys

[final ferry]

np

[half onyx]

something that's kind of wrong with physics bones is that my tongue won't come out

everything else seems to work fine though

switching out of the beta, it works fine. that may be something they have in mind though

[unique halo]

Does anyone know how to exit the beta? I've tried changing the update back and reinstalling the app I am on quest and can't seem to go back to where I can see non beta users. Thank you 😓😓

[wheat fjord]

because out of beta physbones aren't implemented. Also no conversion system.

[wheat fjord]

Update the version number, then uninstall and reinstall. Also hitting start on your phone can force the update to occur.

[half onyx]

I guess just wait until the update lol

[mystic saffron]

Will the update mean quest can have dynamic bones

[inner kayak]

quest gets physbones yes, once it releases

[mystic saffron]

Are dynamic bones and phybones the same thing?

[inner kayak]

no

physbones is vrchats solution to secondary physics on avatars

it is much more optimized and provides a lot of integration into the SDK3 avatars system

[mystic saffron]

Idk what that mean but ok

Don't bother explaining

It's all g

[fallow rock]

I mean that is the explanation though

[inner kayak]

physbone next gen dynamic bone

[mystic saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh ok

[inner kayak]

_ _
The physbone interaction radius is way too big on my avatar. Is there a way to scale it?
I'm able to grab physbones a whole arms length away.

I am thinking it is tied to the avatar scale..?

[jade bane]

which version of unity should i usrt

use*

[quaint geode]

Unity 2019.4.31f1
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version

[quaint geode]

I assume you already checked the radius on your PhyBones, you can customize the colliders on your hands/fingers and such, but I* haven't tested how much it affects how far you can grab things

[jade bane]

i dont see that one on the hub

[quaint geode]

there are unity hub links on that current-unity-version page, if you click them and have the HUB installed, it will install the correct version for you

[inner kayak]

the physbone radius is fine, its the actual interaction distance thingie that im having trouble with

if you use the avatar overlay in game, you can see these purple spheres on your hand

they represent the radius that your hand can grab nearby bones i guess

but mine are just huge

[north otter]

i’m trying to get back to live but it won’t let me i try unstealling and put live on it but it won’t let me download

[quaint geode]

are you scaling your avatar by putting a very large transform scale multiplier?

like directly on the avatar on the scene

[inner kayak]

The avatar is scaled 1.2x its default size.

[north otter]

and on top of that it won’t let me see my friends ^

[inner kayak]

Its probably tied to avatar scale, but was wondering if there was a way to scale it in Unity.

[quaint geode]

did you try setting the version to live, and uninstalling and reinstalling the game?

[north otter]

yes

and it says “install fail”

but when i’m on open Beta it lets me play

[quaint geode]

do you have multiple accounts on your Quest?

I heard people mention sometimes you have to do it on the primary account on the device, or the account that initially installed it

[sonic wing]

Do i have to add collider's to the bones to make them move when ever u touch them??

[quaint geode]

the PhyBones just need a radius larger than 0, and they should be interactable by yourself and others

[quaint geode]

when scaling avatars in Unity, they usually recommend setting the Scale Factor in the model's import setting (the same area you set "use legacy blend shapes", and "read/write enabled") - but you may NOT* want to do this now

since this will affect all scenes that use the model, and may force you to re-adjust view point and radius and stuff, but it's good to know for the future