open-beta-discussion

[small surge]

Disable error pause, you likely have alot more then that

[near grove]

Can someone explain to me in detail how to open the beta in quest 2?

[wild loom]

it throws me into the scene view if i even try to name the upload

[opal geyser]

can anyone tell me how to fix this

[strange spoke]

so it lets you get to the upload screen?

[wild loom]

yep

but wen i go to click to title it it like freezes that tab and throws me in the scene tab

[near grove]

Does the quest 2 need to be hooked to a computer?

If not, how do I add the beta?

[wild loom]

omg!!!!! it was the mane cam!!!!!!1

😡 💥 😞

i am very sad....

[wheat fjord]

why the **** do physbones not move in position? it's only rotation!

[stable wagon]

what you try to do with phy bone?

[celest cloak]

you have to open oculus app and go to details go until you see Version and switch to open beta and re start your vr chat and done

[stable wagon]

go to phone and try oculus app

[lusty marsh]

I guess im stuck? lmao. interesting

[near grove]

Ohhh ok

[tepid notch]

Pretty sure there’s a thing rn with quests that don’t allow you to go back to live build unless you factory reset your headset

[lusty marsh]

huh..

cant exactly do that either, i have other people on it. alright then

[tepid notch]

It’s best to just wait for full release, which will probably be within the next few weeks

I’m also eager for it to be implemented haha

[lusty marsh]

well im already in it

[proven oxide]

yeah the oculus software for version switching is p broken so you're kinda stuck in beta for now

[lusty marsh]

so now i cmkinda just, cant play with my friends

mkay. well, thanks for the info

[brave forge]

Are you on the main account of the oculus or on a 2nd account of the oculus that might be on shared apps style account?

[lusty marsh]

2nd account

well, third. but same thing

[wild loom]

thank you all for the help

[brave forge]

That's your problem. You need to be logged into the main ownership account to fully un-install the game.

[lusty marsh]

okay, didnt know that. i'll try that

[brave forge]

See on shared app accounts you can't fully un-install the game since the apps don't belong to the 2nd account and isn't owner of the oculus.

[lusty marsh]

i'll try from the main

[brave forge]

It fully works guaranteed ❤️ I found that out after 48hrs finding a fix for that.

[lusty marsh]

thanks a ton

[brave forge]

Let me know if it worked.

[proven oxide]

even then, ive had friends stuck in beta without any accounts on the oculus other then their own/the main one, im not sure how to help em lMAO

[tepid notch]

^ same

[lusty marsh]

what a specific bug lol

[brave forge]

Have them create a 2nd one play vrchat on the 2nd one and then uninstall from main. Should fix.

[brave forge]

So it fixed for you?

[proven oxide]

alr ill let em know n see if it works, ty!

[lusty marsh]

reinstalling rn

[tepid notch]

This thing has been around for a while and Facebook is just like

[brave forge]

Facebook don't want alternate accounts to uninstall games that are shared from the main account. It's reasonable.

[lusty marsh]

if this wasnt vr, i wouldnt have gotten it because of facebook's involvement lmao.

even so, its all wonky

[proven oxide]

honestly saving up to get a different headset so I dont need my facebook to be connected

[tepid notch]

The version change is an alternate account thing?

[brave forge]

I'm just waiting for constraints to come out on quest. I tried to use gravity and a floor collider to stick objects to but the floor still follows you around.

[brave forge]

Yeah basically

[keen nova]

How's the beta going? You guys make cool stuff.

[proven oxide]

beta's good, havent done anything new besides add bones for now
might try and do some stuff and make a carrying mechanic sometime
(as in i can get carried by others)

see if it works out

[tepid notch]

Only conversion so far. Looking to make contact interaction soon

[lusty marsh]

nope, im still bugged in

[brave forge]

There is a slight bug for some people who is on main account and then need to make 2nd shared account and then install on 2nd account and hit play then go back to the main account and uninstall for those who are on the main account that has the bug. Simple Temp fix for the time being.

[keen nova]

osc and avatar contact still broken right?

[feral aspen]

reopened vrchat after a long time and logged in, after I did the loading screen where stuff downloads had 0/0 downloaded and didnt stop doing this

flashed the screen black for a second then reappeared

kept looping

[brave forge]

Just letting people know rotation speed is fixed in the next up coming beta build update.(Was confirmed an hour ago)

Just thought you should know about this one as well so hope you don't mind he tag/ping

[lusty marsh]

so if you were curious

i can no longer redownload the game lmao

[brave forge]

Wait really? Did you restart your headset to see if you could then re-download it on the main account?

[near grove]

I'm having way too much fun playing with the options in this beta, especially senders/receivers and animations based on PhysBone parameters

Like my Narga now gets quite distressed if you pull his ears too far

[sage whale]

Hey how do I enable the new update

[lusty marsh]

i can try that but as it stands i cant

gimme a sec

[near grove]

#open-beta-info

[brave forge]

Alright goodluck.

[dim cloak]

The IsAnimated is also being fixed. Asked tupper for some details on what exactly they fixed, hopefully he responds haha

[woven ledge]

factory reset?

[lusty marsh]

nope, cant download it anymore

says its installing, then asks me to install it again

[brave forge]

Try disabling the wifi on your oculus and then connect it back to the wifi and once it connected try to install again.

[lusty marsh]

kay

didnt work

[brave forge]

Then you might have to factory reset it.

[lusty marsh]

wish i could, everyone else would be pissed.

well i think i have reached my mental limit on this situation

im just, not gonna play it anymore lmao, appreciate the assistance though

[brave forge]

You can always send a message to Oculus support and see if they can help better than just giving up. (Only last advice I can give you without you giving up on the game lol)

[brave forge]

Question are you re-installing the game on the main account or 2nd account?

[brave forge]

Make sure it's still on the main account.

[lusty marsh]

main

[lusty marsh]

i mean, i can yeah. i'll prob do that tmr

[brave forge]

Alright then. Good luck.

[sick badger]

anyone know if they are planning on added the avatar to world ridged body interactions in this update? I remember them showing that off back in the original video as part of this update and they added the universal avatar colliders
but I get if thats out of scope rn they're already doing a lot lol

[dim cloak]

That will likely be a "Avatar Dynamics" getting incorporated into world SDK update which they said they are working on but it is not coming for a bit.

They want to get the avatar dynamics themselves smoothed out and working well first.

[sick badger]

makes sense!
didnt see they were adding it to the world SDK in the future so yeah, 100% get that it would go in there lol

[dim cloak]

Yeah there is a canny for a request to have the physbones stuff in worlds and I imagine that will potentially include things that involve avatar dynamics as well. Probably not the contact system since that would be redundant and useless since we already have udon for that, but objects interacting with the colliders in everyone's avatars now will likely be a part of avatar dynamics that will get implemented with world interactions in the future.

[violet iron]

Kemono friends avi, you have my attention

[shut shell]

mhh is it possible to toggle an object like a grenade and throw it like we can do with a particle system now? 🤔

[lost pine]

How do I join on quest?

[brave forge]

#open-beta-info

[narrow narwhal]

bruh i cant leave to beta

[merry loom]

Am I doing something wrong or does physbones not get any momentum from fast collisions? The video is slowed down to 25%. physbone is basically just dodging the collider

[limpid nest]

Is the avatar dynamics able to be used with the beta on quest

I’m new to the whole beta thing

And not sure if I want to get it cause I heard people can’t leave it

[narrow narwhal]

how do you leave the beta

[strange spoke]

Next time a beta comes out someone should really put a line in the announcement explaining how to leave the beta for all the quest users now

[limpid nest]

?

[stiff acorn]

Yes.

[limpid nest]

Alright, I’m just considering if I wanna risk getting kicked out of live.

Cause I am not sure.

[weak nest]

Is there a way to make a droppable prop with avatar dynamics?

I want to drop an object in world space for others to pick up

[limpid nest]

And is the beta including dynamic bones? Not phys?

[molten cobalt]

this is for physics bones, Dynamic bones are never coming to the quest and are deprecated now

[limpid nest]

Aw

I like dynamic bones Lol

[molten cobalt]

Dynamic bones where horrible for performance which is why there getting replaced by physics bones

[stiff acorn]

Phys Bones are basically the same thing as Dynamic Bones. They just perform WAY better.

[limpid nest]

Alrighty, I’m not sure if I wanna get beta ahhh

[molten cobalt]

basically if you don't upload your own avatars I wouldn't bother

given the whole getting stuck issue

[stiff acorn]

I wouldn't, it's a pain to get out of beta on Quest. And yeah, you have to have the ability to make your own avatars to even utilize it.

[limpid nest]

I will probably get beta once the getting stuck issue is fixed

[molten cobalt]

vrchat cannot fix the getting stuck issue as it's a bug with Facebook's code for handling Version Control on the quest

[stiff acorn]

Yeah, it's not a problem on VRChat's end.

So they can't fix it.

[molten cobalt]

it's only just now noticeable because so many questions was wanted to get in on the update whereas they typically sit out betas before this one

[stiff acorn]

The only reason Quest players even care about this beta is because PhysBones bringing long-requested feature-parity between PC and Quest. Granted, a few things are still missing on Quest, but they aren't things as many people care about (other than Audio Sources).

[limpid nest]

Hm

[cinder pebble]

I need help. I tried to do the beta thing, but now I can't see anyone even if I turn it back off.

Anyone?

[flat patrol]

You be alone forever

[fleet wadi]

10 is still the tracked devices limit right?

[violet iron]

Ayo, i didn't have to reset my oculus to go back to live

[near grove]

As far as I'm aware, yes.

[near grove]

Is there any way to get faster reactions with animations when using senders and receivers? When my nose gets booped, it takes almost half a second for the blend shape animation to actually activate, when example videos I've seen have had instant reactions.

[hollow belfry]

Might be the way you made your animator, particularly the transition times

[warm cedar]

No exit time

[near grove]

What can I check?

[warm cedar]

enable exit time, set it to 0, set the transition time from .25 to 0 and add a check

animations without exit time need a condition, else the transition will be ignored

I know what you're trying to do

as I have the boop system you're describing

[near grove]

How's this?

[warm cedar]

Good!

[flat patrol]

It smooth in the network

[near grove]

Okay, cool, that's a little closer to what I'm looking for. Still a bit of a pause before it goes, but less than before.

Okay, got it perfect. Thank you for the help!

[shrewd estuary]

people be making cool things with this stuff tho

[warm cedar]

I had my first fight yesterday

my avatar is really dynamic now

Wait

you have to disable exit time after setting all that @near grove

The checkbox

Both fixed duration and has exit time

[fallow rock]

You don't need to change the Fixed Duration. That only matters if it has a transitions duration above 0.

[warm cedar]

I always do it, just in case

Unity and I are in a complicated relationship

And I do not trust it.

[fallow rock]

That's fair. Just 0% and 0s is still 0 so having it on or off makes no difference

[mossy python]

Quick question

Can avatar contact senders and receivers be used with world objects?

[warm cedar]

no, not yet

[mossy python]

Figured right now it was a no since there’s no world SDK

But are they planning for this in the future?

[warm cedar]

Yep, thats avatar dynamics part 2

[mossy python]

SICK

I’ve always had this idea of making a game world that can save your progress depending on the avatar you’re wearing

Now I could make it generate a random string of numbers and letters and when the avatar matches it it effectively ‘loads your save file’

[restive swallow]

Hey, anyone know why my avatar won't show up in the beta

I'm using one from the dynamic world

[near grove]

Part 2?

[warm cedar]

Yes, the world interaction part

[near grove]

is that all

[cursive shoal]

When does the actual thing come out? Like where the dynamics work on all the avis?(are they even gonna do that?!)

[warm cedar]

Could be in 3 weeks or half a year

[cursive shoal]

Oh alr, thank you:)

[warm cedar]

test and use the beta, the faster the bugs are fixed the faster we get le dynamic avateur

[cursive shoal]

Yea

[timber jewel]

nice, all of this will be fixed with the next beta

[narrow lodge]

Are contacts supposed to be able to be animated? Poor visual example, but I'm testing out how this potentially works and it appears like it's moving in the emulator via the gizmo visualization but in reality the contact hasnt actually moved at all.

[short jasper]

Probably put the contact on an empty wherever you want it to be and animate the empty instead of the contact itself.

[mental marsh]

E

[near grove]

Had anyone tried to toggle a contact receiver on and off via an animation? I have tried and just creating the animation locks the contact receiver in what ever state I set the animation to toggle. So creating an animation to toggle a receiver off is toggling the receiver off at all times even when I'm not using the animation, juat creating causes the issue. I delete the animation and its toggleble again. Does this with no other object only contact receiver. Ether toggling the script off or toggle the object off does has the same issue.

[narrow lodge]

usecase for this is actually wanting to animate size changes in contacts rather than just position- when trying to animate rotations it appears to give a ton of quaternion errors and while the other animations 'seem to work' it just .. doesnt for some reason.

I think Snusk is experiencing similar issue though? Sounds like animations not working with contacts in general?

[timber jewel]

I have a toggle for my contact reciver and it works just fine for me

[narrow lodge]

was there an updated SDK at some point perhaps?

[near grove]

Yeah any animation I've tired with the contact receiver locks it in that state. Just creating the animation is the issue so I'm assuming its a bug. Have no issues with any other objects

Don't even need to use the animation and it does this. And trying to use an other animation to change its state doesn't work

[torpid reef]

Ive tried animating both receivers and senders size and it doesnt work that well. I hope they eventually allow us to animate them in realtime.

[timber jewel]

Hm okay, maybe make a canny for it then

[mossy yacht]

Does anyone know how to switch out of open beta? I’m unable to

[timber jewel]

Steam or Quest?

[mossy yacht]

Quest

[timber jewel]

have you switched back to live on the same page where you switche in to to the beta?

switched*

[mossy yacht]

Yep it says I’m in live but it’s not actually in live

[timber jewel]

Yeah Oculus / Meta is sometimes really weord with that

have you tried reinstalling it?

[ivory oracle]

Im on quest 2 and it won't let me leave the beta help please

[mossy yacht]

Yea I have

[timber jewel]

Okay, then the only thing I could still think of would be to factory reset the Quest

or just wait untill it comes live

Oculus Beta system is really broken

[ivory oracle]

Oh god not another factory reset

[timber jewel]

yeah tell the Meta / Oculus

idk why their system is so broken...

it's annoying

[mossy yacht]

The factory reset worked thank you

[timber plinth]

can you grab physbones on desktopp

or is that a myth

i know you can grab them in unity

[timber jewel]

Nope you sadly can't

[timber plinth]

POGGERS

[timber jewel]

yup really happy about that

they also implemented auto conversion for end length

which is also great

[coarse stag]

so uh is there a way to do contact sender/receiver but by reference instead of tags?

Like, if someone clones my avatar or happens to use the same name, how do I make sure it won't interfere with my own avatar

[timber jewel]

Wasn't there something local only option so only you can use it?

Couldn't you just remove the "allow others" checkmark from the reciver?

@coarse stag

[coarse stag]

yeah I guess that's it then

I'm too used to particle triggers where you can just put objects by reference

so for each one type a random string, and only allow self

[fallow rock]

if you're only allowing self you wouldn't have to use random strings, no?

[inner kayak]

I start mine with "nak_" if i want them to only work across my own avatars

much more organized than a random string

[fallow rock]

no matter the name, even if others use it too it wouldn't interfere

[warm cedar]

Allow self checked, others unchecked

issue solved.

[timber jewel]

yup

basically

I hope we will get the "Upcoming Beta Update" soon, maybe even today

[gusty forge]

There was an update to the internal beta branch like 9 hours ago so maybe

[timber jewel]

well, I'm mad at my bot then

because I didn't got notified by it

[gusty forge]

rip

[idle fulcrum]

I cant go back to the live version of vrc

Why is that?

[timber jewel]

you can or you can't?

[idle fulcrum]

Can’t **

[fallow rock]

why would you ever want to go back to the stinky live version

Kappa

[timber jewel]

I suppose you are on quest?

[idle fulcrum]

Yeah ;v;

[timber jewel]

scroll a bit up, I told someone how to do it like 20 min ago ^^

[warm cedar]

Hammer go Bonk

[idle fulcrum]

Big oof

[timber jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[warm cedar]

and again, and agaim

And again and again

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN Wooh! damn gotta get my bonking streak goin'

[timber jewel]

XD

[restive swallow]

Help! I can't leave the beta

I can't switch back I've tried launching from the app and from the headset and reinstalled it

[formal lava]

Quest?

[restive swallow]

Yes

[formal lava]

also question about this sdk! is there an easy way to test receiving colliders within unity?

[formal lava]

I read above that sadly, it can be fixed with a factory reset

[restive swallow]

Is that the only way?

[formal lava]

as far as I know yes, but it might be worthwhile to wait a bit til someone else might have a better solution

[fluid peak]

Can use lyuma avatar emulator for that

[formal lava]

Aight will try!

[restive swallow]

A method I found when switching back is just reinstalling it

[formal lava]

okay

[slate token]

I am having issues when I use the IK Beta and I play games such as among us murder four and I believe ghost it is not letting me Spond in with everyone else and I just get stuck in the lobby can someone please help me

[timber plinth]

don’t use the ik beta if this is an issue, and report it to the canny if its reproducable

[worn goblet]

How can i use the new beta, cuz when i tried to use an avatar i followed the instructions but it didnt work, i even tried to restart my oculus, but still doesnt work

[warm cedar]

• Asks for help about the issue
• does not give details of the issue

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[worn goblet]

Yea, sry, im not that good at inglish, well, ima trie it, that avatar on the right when u spawn in, that black orange and blue one, that doesnt work

I cant press that button to open more options

[warm cedar]

are you inside a beta build?

[worn goblet]

Not yet

I am not at home

But i was in that world

[warm cedar]

Is your quest on the beta build, is it installed

[worn goblet]

I need to install something?

How and what?

[warm cedar]

#open-beta-info

[worn goblet]

And what of those links is the one i need to install?

[muted bloom]

Spawn a sender with the tag and move it around in play mode

[muted bloom]

IK better is in the same Network compatibility with live. IK-beta and open-beta are not compatible with each other.

Also for IK-beta you want to post in #ik-2 , this channel is for open beta

[pliant laurel]

okay so i'm currently working with a lot of AD recievers (all on constant) and also dive them in the FX controller to networked parameters but it somehow doesnt work in VRC

like in the debug menu no parameter changes

[worn goblet]

What link do i need to download for the beta

[muted bloom]

Contact parameters must be floats, that’s the usual mistake if you’re not aware already

[pliant laurel]

no its 31 contact parameters on 1 float

all have values of 0.01 increments

like 0.01, 0.02, 0.03 ...

do i maybe need to create a specific float for each contact?

[muted bloom]

So you’re seeing it not work at all, I know float values are quantized with a seven Bit mantisa so they’re not in even increments of .01

[pliant laurel]

mhh okay

yeah i dont see any changes

in VRChat it shows the contacts to have received a trigger, but it doesnt change the local parameter in the debug menu

[muted bloom]

#open-beta-announcements

[timber plinth]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-toggle-for-acceleration-vs-velocity

[timber plinth]

you need one parameter per contact

they will override eachother

on the plus side you can use parameter math for your synced parameter

using parameter drivers

for example using +-

but converting back may be complicated

[pliant laurel]

ahhh right!! it'll overrides them to 0 on not triggering!!

[muted bloom]

An issue here is that avatar movement in VRChat actually has absolutely no acceleration. Avatars instantly change velocity in a stairstep fashion; this is to avoid motion sickness. Acceleration in VR is some thing best practices guides tell you to avoid entirely.

[timber plinth]

thats not what this is for

[muted bloom]

What I’m saying is if you were to get a debug value printing out your current acceleration, it would always say zero

[timber plinth]

this is to have some sort of toggle between velocity and acceleration on how physbones are influenced

so if you were driving a car in a udon world

[muted bloom]

I suppose it would work in stations yes

[timber plinth]

it would move when u accelerate and decelerate

it would work when walking too

as the only acceleration would be the movement of your animation

which is infinitely better

than flying like no tomorrow

[muted bloom]

I get you now

[timber plinth]

yee

maybe could be a slider but a toggle would work fine too

[muted bloom]

I don’t think acceleration is what you’re looking for though, you are looking for a local reference frame

[timber plinth]

it is acceleration though because its a change in velocity rather than position

if you were in a car and holding a ball on a string

it will go forward and back when u drive the car

but at a constant speed it will stay idle in the middle

and same if you were walking holding the ball

the acceleration would only be from you bobbing up and down

If u walk at a constant speed (and hold it correctly) the ball should stay roughly centered

same concept here, mostly for things like breast dynamics

its more natural for them to behave that way since theyre attached to the body

[muted bloom]

Yeah that’s how I thought dynamics should work in the first place but they never bones don’t do it, not sure about physics bones

If anything there should be a velocity slider for how much actual velocity influences it and then acceleration just always does

Wait, isn’t that what Immobile does

[obsidian wagon]

anyone know or have an example on how to make like a grabable object on your avatar with the new contact receivers and stuff

[muted bloom]

Grabables are phys bones rather than contacts. I don’t think they use contacts.

[obsidian wagon]

whats a grabable?

[obsidian wagon]

oh wait no what i ment is have a contact where when i put my hand in it and grad it will activate an animation to toggle off the sword and on one in my hand

[spring salmon]

What do I need to do to add a collider or whatever it's called where I can grab or touch my own bones?

[wintry scroll]

I have a example AD avatar you can use, has grabbable hair and tail https://booth.pm/en/items/3541558

[obsidian wagon]

i mean like you grab an object on your avi and it toggles something

[wintry scroll]

🤔 I haven't tried that yet

[obsidian wagon]

i saw someone do it earlier with a sword which is what im trying to d

[spring salmon]

Like the hobkin one? The one with a lightsaber and button on its side?

[obsidian wagon]

no like theres a sword model on their body and they reach and grab it and it puts it in their hand

[spring salmon]

That's what the hobkin does

[obsidian wagon]

then yea

[wintry scroll]

you can def use parameter drivers, enter a receiver, use that to toggle a bool, that bool controls the placement of the sword. I was trying world space grabables last night, its kind of janky

[obsidian wagon]

im also trying to do it on quest so i doubt worldspace grabables would work with that

[spring salmon]

Is anyone able to help me with colliders for my avatar like what setting I'd need to use

[wintry scroll]

no, it uses constrains

[small surge]

Having to use float is abit annoying tho, for exsample i want 248

then set a parameter driver to do other stuff

[spring salmon]

Do I just use vrc phys bone collider in the components?

[small surge]

If you want a specific grab place - contact reciver , or all the bones in the mesh would trigger it

[spring salmon]

Ahh 💀 I'll try to figure it out like that

Do I add where I want the specific grab play at root transform?

[wintry scroll]

I'm working on a video guide specify for testing AD. But in editor you can just have a random sender with say a fingerIndex or hand assigned to it.

[spring salmon]

Hmm

[wintry scroll]

it doesn't even need to be underneath your avatar's hierarchy

[wintry scroll]

also be sure to assign the animator you are working on to the animator component slot and not just in the avatar descriptor

[spring salmon]

Mm do I need to set the bones I want to be able to touch as receiver?

[wintry scroll]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, you come with an assortment of senders by default. If you go in game you can toggle on a debug mode in your radial menu to see them.

those yellow bones are standard

[spring salmon]

Whenever I tried and I had those yellow one it wouldn't interact with my bones on anything

[wintry scroll]

I would start by making sure things work in editor. Watch to see if your animator is being effected

[spring salmon]

Which part is the animator as I'm new to this these words I don't know

[small surge]

Theres one that tells my avatar to do a dance if someone touch it, yellow blob is contact sender, the cubes are recivers

[wintry scroll]

the animator is the state machine in the bottom of that video

[spring salmon]

Ah okay

[small surge]

cube is paramer = 248 do this , but since its a float i gotto use greater/lesser to get the right number

[wintry scroll]

if you float names (they need to be floats fyi) don't match exactly between your animator and receiver then they won't work. Names must always match even capitalization

[spring salmon]

Oh okay

[wintry scroll]

also periodically check the canny while this is in beta. There might be a bug that is messing you up (that is what happened to me)

[spring salmon]

Oki ✨

[cursive bridge]

I swear I saw the Performance Ranking System got updated to reflect physbone limits, but now I can't find it...?

I know we can have 4 contact/receiver total sort of components and stay Excellent

what's the physbone limit to stay Excellent?

[cursive bridge]

It's kind of driving me nuts that I can't find it. The perf rank page I found just now says updated 5mo. ago. But I KNOW I found a perfrank page that had limits for the new things. That's how I know the contact/receiver type limit is 4.

[timber jewel]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[cursive bridge]

THANK YOU

Okay so the 4 is actually

"PhysBone type scripts of any type"?

[timber jewel]

if you want to see the beta stuff in the docs you need to change the version at the top left corner

[cursive bridge]

Ohhhhhhhhh my god thank you yeah I was so frustrated. Now I get to be frustrated about something else (needing bare minimum 5 PhysBone Components)

Ugh 6 actually. Oh well. Might as well go for 8 at this point.

[devout sapphire]

been trying to figure out how to activate a particle by touching a collider... ohmmy god. not been this angry and confused in years. if anyone can help thatd be amazing, please DM

[timber jewel]

That's not possible. Phys Bones use a completely different and also impended system for collision, so it wont work with particles or anything else.

[devout sapphire]

im notnusing physbones for it, im using recievers @timber jewel

[timber jewel]

What I said also counts for those.

[devout sapphire]

not possible, there's literally an avatar that you touch the chest and a particle emits

[muted bloom]

No reason you can’t spawn a particle with a contact

[devout sapphire]

im trying to do just that

but other people being able to activate it

[muted bloom]

Just make sure the contact parameter is a float, that’s the most common mistake

[devout sapphire]

gotcha

[muted bloom]

Also if someone else wants to activate it their sender must have a tag in common with your receiver. So usually stick with the default sender names that are on all avatars like Hand / Head

[timber jewel]

Well my bad then, I read it as you wanting them to collide with them 😅

Sorry for that

[muted bloom]

If you use a custom tag on your receiver it will only be touchable by someone else with the same custom tag on their sender

[warm cedar]

Let's make it a standard to make custom collider tags capitalized

e.g sword -> Sword

[muted bloom]

Yeah and please start marking all of your bullets with the generic “Damage”

[warm cedar]

So, bullets use the tag "Damage"?

[devout sapphire]

that gucci?

[muted bloom]

I think finger index is already already tagged as hand as well so it’s been a bit redundant but it still works

[muted bloom]

There is no rule it would just be nice if everyone agreed on a standard

Instead of needing to add 8 billion tags to things to make sure it’s always compatible with everything

[warm cedar]

Undestood I will note this down for the next update on my avi

[devout sapphire]

i watched m.o.o.ns video and akalink

literally useless

[warm cedar]

Still using "Bullets" oops

[muted bloom]

“Damage” is generic so it can be shot with bullets or have a sword hit it, etc.

[warm cedar]

Hmm, well that is a lot more efficient indeed

[muted bloom]

You can do more specific tags too but it’s just a nice generic word that applies to magic spells as well

Instead of needling like 20 tags

[warm cedar]

And don't forget:

String comparisons are SLOOOW.

It may not feel like it, but with lobby sizes of 80 (hard cap), that could become slow if we all need 90 tags for all the weapons

[weak nest]

Is anyone experiencing extremely scuffed full body in the AVD beta?

My hands were not aligning like at all when laying down

the beta is pretty much unplayable for me, at least from what i saw last night. extremely disorienting.

sucks cause it would have been so much fun to slap people

😔

[devout sapphire]

so can someone help or not

been trying to figure out how to activate a particle by touching a collider... ohmmy god. not been this angry and confused in years. if anyone can help thatd be amazing, please DM

[weak nest]

i saw that message you deleted xD

I wish i could help you, but im just as confused with this update lol.

[devout sapphire]

i didnt delete it lol

[shrewd estuary]

i like how you changed your nickname

[flat patrol]

Since it's on/off object, put it in the fx controller

[shrewd estuary]

from "can't roll no dynamics" to "can roll now"

[dark flare]

when will the new IK be estimated to coming out? if I'm able to know

[muted bloom]

More of a #ik-2 question, but the expectation is that it will be some time after Dynamics goes live, that’s why it’s on a separate branch from the main beta.

[dark flare]

yea

[muted bloom]

But it’s already live compatible so you’re free to use it as much as you like

[dark flare]

that still rase's my first questen really but all good if know one know's

[feral star]

Why can i not switch back to the live version of the game?

[dark flare]

you can only see others that run the beta tho it might be broken

[cursive bridge]

Anybody know how to return a physbone to rest before disabling the script?

[feral star]

Yes im aware of that but when i tried switching back to the live version it doesnt work,

[cursive bridge]

I tried gravity 0, pull 1, etc for a chunk of frames before disabling but it does nothing.

Questies are stuck last I heard

Like, I've heard people talking about Quest users being stuck in Beta and being unable to switch back to Live.

[quaint geode]

if you're on Oculus, after setting the version to live, try to uninstall/reinstall the VRChat app (sorry if already tried this)

[muted bloom]

Just disable the phys bone component and animate it to rest?

The phys bone component has a bool IsActive (the component itself not the GameObject) pretty sure it’s animatable

[feral star]

It worked i dont know why i didnt think of this :)

[cursive bridge]

@muted bloom when you disable PhysBones they STICK that way! Made me laugh!

It looks like I don't need to turn them off though--I can just animate every setting going to 0 except Pull, which I send to 1, and that makes it "stay at rest" well enough for my purposes.

I'm going to have to alter how a wiggly tongue is handled on one avatar I'm maintaining though because right now turning the script off like we used to with Dynamic Bones will usually wind up with a wiggly tongue getting stuck halfway out of the head.

[drifting nacelle]

https://youtu.be/pgYxbwbMxlI

[midnight pier]

guys when u think PhysBones will go out of beta?

[outer python]

my guess in a couple/few months

[sullen vigil]

I don't think months. but definitely a few weeks.

[proud bronze]

IMO it depends on how long it takes them to get the automatic dynamic bone conversion to be as good as it's going to get without wasting excessive dev time.

Avatar dynamics don't appear to be all that buggy, perform great, and all the big canny feedback is mostly requests for QoL features

[brave forge]

Right now there is a lot of bugs and we are waiting for the next beta version update so no clue just yet, but I Feel it also might be a month or two.

[humble pulsar]

Nah I’m guessing it will either come out later tomorrow or next Friday. Probably next Friday though

[brave forge]

Are you talking about the full live release or the beta version update. (I know they are doing a beta version update because it was said on the feedback) So the public version isn't gonna be released soon.

[timber jewel]

I really hope it doesn't, I want them to take time and polish it up as much as they can so that once it goes live, we have a finished product .

[rain harness]

when i grab my sword is disappears

is it because the sword does not have an actual skeleton in it?

[humble pulsar]

That’s why I said next Friday, I believe we’ll get a new open beta tomorrow and full release next week

Just speculating though, I may be completely wrong and I am just going off of how previous updates have been.

[shrewd estuary]

puts on tinfoil hat

[timber jewel]

all we are doing right now is just speculation with basically 0 value from it, it comes when it comes aka when the devs think it's ready for a stable / live release

[shrewd estuary]

with the amount of emails ive been getting of things getting marked as complete on the canny , that's likely possible. maybe

there's def gonna be a few more builds before release candidate tho

[timber jewel]

actually only 8 are completed

[humble pulsar]

Or one big update before release build

But yeah you may be right

[timber jewel]

and 3 of those were basically the same issue xD

[shrewd estuary]

better then nothing

[humble pulsar]

I will wear the tinfoil hat of shame tho xD

[shrewd estuary]

there's a lot of "tracked internally" and "planned" in the feedback site

saw an "in progress" thrown in somewhere

[timber jewel]

there is one, and it's from the OSC beta

[muted bloom]

I love all of the new features but I really think the autoconverter needs to be a tad more accurate before it’s ready for live

Specifically the whole business with end length -> end offset

[timber jewel]

that is fixed with the next open beta

[shrewd estuary]

yeah that's the one

[wintry scroll]

for my avatars it unassigns the ignored bones so my entire avatar turns into a flailing tube man

[plucky owl]

only thing I'm gonna ask is will we get a different version of the new SDK that's different from the beta SDK when Avatar Dynamics hits live

I've noticed that a lot of the newer SDKs are the same ones from the open betas

and I have to reimport all the plugins

[rain harness]

is there a world people go to for the open beta? just like what we did for av3.0 beta or nah

[brave forge]

It's best to add a bone so you won't have problems. Test it out and see if that fixes it.

[rain harness]

oh yeah i did already

it works

[timber jewel]

this one:
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_f995a2eb-7ddc-4558-aef1-815c3b23df6c

[rain harness]

i am trying my best to not annoy you guys but i cannot find any vids about weapons tho.

ah thx

there is a way to have the weapon as receiver and your hand as a sender to trigger a weapon toggle right? or

[jagged tapir]

Oh the physbones collider work only with our avatar
I thought it also worked with anybody

[timber jewel]

No, only the hands do

[shrewd estuary]

i wonder if it's possible to make a blow dryer prop and have it so that it makes the physics bones of other avatars hair go back because of the air coming from the blow dryer

[lime yarrow]

Does assigning Physbone colliders with the tag Hand work?

[shrewd estuary]

that'd be wicked

[lime yarrow]

In making them global?

Oh right they don't have tags

I get the Physbone and contact stuff mixed up my bad

[opaque edge]

Is there another Map where we can find public avatar with physics bones (compatible quest if possible, ping me if you find one)

[drifting nacelle]

2 weeks max

[drifting nacelle]

if is has a physbone, its already "grabable" if you enabled it

[lime yarrow]

I'm talking about making other Physbone colliders work globally

Which I don't think is possible

Which is slightly sad, but also understandable

[timber plinth]

i wonder when the completed issues will be pushed to the current OB build

[dim cloak]

I would assume at least an update to the beta branch a week is a safe bet

maybe more if we're lucky

[muted bloom]

Other people can only move your phys bones with their default colliders

And I think they are also separate from the ones defined in your descriptor

they're just two spheres on your hands in debug mode, unless that's the grab range

[lime yarrow]

I haven't had a chance to test this but am I correct in assuming that if two different players use the same custom contact collision tag, they will be able to interact with each other's custom receivers?

[muted bloom]

That's correct, yes. That's why people want everyone to standardize the first letter capital

[lime yarrow]

Gotcha

What are some currently widely accepted "universal" custom tags?

[muted bloom]

the most common ones will most likely be "Damage" and "Shield", with people hopefully agreeing that Shield should de-spawn Damage

[lime yarrow]

Ah okay makes sense

[muted bloom]

Shield as well

[timber jewel]

Probably today or tomorrow

[lime yarrow]

So just as simple as it can be, in a way that makes sense, and capitalized first letter

Sounds pretty good to me.

[timber plinth]

i just want IsAnimated to work

[lime yarrow]

This will be very useful in the vrc roleplay communities

[timber plinth]

so i can test it out

[muted bloom]

you can also just describe hitboxes with "Sword" "Staff" "Laser", "Magic" and etc, but really... "Damage" is the most universal

[timber plinth]

but also something i dont understand

is there a performance loss for IsAnimated?

why wouldnt it be enabled by default or even not a setting

[lime yarrow]

I think there is a minor perf hit solely because the transform has to be updated every frame

[timber plinth]

but doesnt it already do that when it has to move the bones?

just doesnt have to re-read rest position i guess

[lime yarrow]

Yeah that's what I meant

[indigo sorrel]

Heya. I am on quest 2. I tried to get back to the live build but am stuck. Lil help?

[lime yarrow]

It doesn't have to reset the rest position

[timber plinth]

reinstall

i noticed another bug too i think

if something is being animated at the root it will mess up physbone movements

for example on one of my avatars i have ear animations

and if i animate the root it likes to snap back into place

if i disable the animation it behaves normally

[lime yarrow]

Anybody have a rough reference for measurement of "velocity" when it comes to contact receivers and on entry triggers

[muted bloom]

For what it's worth, any combat related stuff I do will be tagged with "Damage", and it will despawn if it hits "Shield" or any default collider

[lime yarrow]

Now if only we could attach senders to particles

I know that's probably a lot to ask for but hey

I'm going to make a canny anyway.

[small surge]

Noticed the snap back bug when i did root of head for hair strands , changed it to their own root inside head it stopped, that av couldnt look down or up

[dim cloak]

link it when you do

[timber plinth]

no clue what the hell this snapping is either

https://i.gyazo.com/05edbf65bc435283702ae4933afdd9f0.mp4

[lime yarrow]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-particle-contact-senders

[timber plinth]

the settings:

https://i.gyazo.com/20641cf7c2ba0c1c76390e92cb3f2a63.mp4

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-weird-snapping-behavior-with-physics-bones

[livid moss]

how can i get the highfive working

[timber plinth]

thats one thats a bit complicated i think

because u might have to disable self collisions on it

but u would just put a contact reciever on your hand

set it to Hand tags

then check if the velocity of Enter was high enough

[muted bloom]

I also do a check for open hand because it was happening by accident lol

[simple saddle]

how can i test the bones in unity?
like grabbing them and moving them around in unity.

[modest ivy]

move your main camera in front of your avatar and click play

then you can grab in the game window

[limpid nest]

Are people still getting stuck in beta

[silent moat]

I have Dynamic Collider on my Finger on an avatar, after converting it to Physbones, the collider on my fingers are cone. Tipps on how i can make the physbones collider so the work right?

[timber jewel]

you mean in unity?

[silent moat]

jeah

[limpid nest]

cause I want to get the beta but I don’t wanna be locked out of live

[silent moat]

I want to change the Dynamic collider to Phsybone collider.. but dont know quit right how i should do this.. was thinking i just use physbone collider with an tube but the tube dosnt move wenn i move my fingers.. :/

[timber jewel]

that is normal, hand colliders are added by the Avatar descriptor

look at the bottom of the Avatar Descriptor, the is a Colliders section at the bottom

[silent moat]

aaahhh allright thx, will look into it 😄

[limpid nest]

I need answers from people who have experience

[last cairn]

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but can someone send the link to physbones download? I'm so lost 😂 It's probably bluntly there, my bad

[silent moat]

This was, what i was looking for, thx @timber jewel

[timber jewel]

are you un quest or pc?

[limpid nest]

quest

I really want the beta but I don’t wanna lose the people I love the most

[timber jewel]

Look in #open-beta-announcements there is an SDK download there.

It's included in the SDK.

[last cairn]

amazing thank you

[timber jewel]

Yeah since Oculus seems to be really buggy it will probably require you to do a factory reset to go back to live.

[silent moat]

Oh.. another Question, when i make an avatar with the new physbones and stuff.. without the dynamic bones and upload it to the "normal vrchat" will vrc convert them to dynamicbones and my tail ears still move, or will everything be normal?

[limpid nest]

Does that delete everything on my headset?

[timber jewel]

if you are using them on live they will just be static

since Phys Bones don't exist on live atm

[timber jewel]

yeah

[limpid nest]

damn

[silent moat]

allright thx ^^ then i need to upload it seperat with the Note (BETA) XD

[timber jewel]

Oculus Beta system is really buggy

[timber jewel]

yup

[limpid nest]

really wanted to try it out, guess I’ll wait until it will be fully released or when I’m able to get it

[vagrant crown]

How long till I can join live players?

Just wondering

[limpid nest]

probably won’t work, like the others told me factory resetting is the only way to get back to live for now.

[vagrant crown]

Factory reset of what?

[limpid nest]

your headset.

[vagrant crown]

I’m running from steam

[limpid nest]

ah, I don’t know about steam then.

I only know quest atm, apologies.

[vagrant crown]

Ah it’s alright

[iron stratus]

uninstall and reinstall works for quest too

thats how i did it

[limpid nest]

really? I heard it doesn’t work for some.

[vagrant crown]

That didn’t work for me, I’ll try again soon

[limpid nest]

Has this worked for anyone else?

[iron stratus]

works for me

[limpid nest]

hm.

I don’t want to not be able to see my friends if I get beta and get locked out, so I’m wondering if it has worked for others as well.

[vagrant crown]

I’m guessing you turned of the beta before uninstalling

[iron stratus]

yes

[vagrant crown]

Ah ok

Guess I’m stupid

[limpid nest]

what does this mean?

[iron stratus]

if u reinstall as beta it will be beta

[limpid nest]

How do you remove it?

[iron stratus]

so go to the live

on the spp

app

[limpid nest]

Oculus app? Or?

[iron stratus]

yes

[wheat fjord]

The phone app, you just need to change the beta release to the live release

[limpid nest]

I need help with that, can you show me in dms?

[wheat fjord]

I cannot. I don't have my dms open

[vagrant crown]

When I switch from beta to none without reinstalling it crashes. I’ll try with the reinstall

[iron stratus]

switch before uninstall

[wheat fjord]

If you were able to get into the beta, it's just the reverse of getting into the beta

[vagrant crown]

Ok

[limpid nest]

I don’t know where to find the turn off beta option, I’m kinda confused on that part.

[wheat fjord]

You know how you got into the beta release?

[limpid nest]

nope I haven’t yet.

[wheat fjord]

You click the version number and choose the version labeled "live"

[iron stratus]

@limpid nest

[limpid nest]

Where do I find that tho?

Cause I can’t even find it at all.

[wheat fjord]

on the VRChat app page

under details

it's under version

[limpid nest]

And then do I switch it back and reinstall?

[iron stratus]

yes

[wheat fjord]

change the channel to live

[iron stratus]

yeah before uninstall

[limpid nest]

I just put it on beta.

I just wanna see it for now.

[wheat fjord]

hitting start can also force it to update

[limpid nest]

so do that too or?

[iron stratus]

it usually dont work

[muted bloom]

The official recommendation I’m seeing is that if you want to get out of the beta you’ll need to factory reset your Quest. This is because of the really crappy way that Facebook made opting into betas.

And that’s only if you are a native quest user - if you’re playing on your actual computer with the Quest, it doesn’t have that issue and your easily opt out at any time

[limpid nest]

I put it in beta, I’m gonna see if I can take it off with how they did it.

[wheat fjord]

I have a question for the team. Is the "conversion system" gonna be in the live release when the beta period is over seeing as how it breaks like a ton of avatars?

Or will it be turned off by default?

[muted bloom]

I am not part of the team but the documentation says that it will be on by default

[wheat fjord]

That would be a foolish decision.

Because it's likely most users will just turn it off and those that don't understand are gonna complain hard core

[muted bloom]

They will also be removing dynamic bones entirely, even from old uploads, in the very distant future.

So it’s best to just stop using them now rather than later

[wheat fjord]

So break every avatar in the mean time?

[muted bloom]

You have plenty of time

[strange spoke]

how is that foolish XD it's gonna save frames for tons of people and the option is there to switch it off if you'd like

[wheat fjord]

and not to mention the content creators who cannot or won't update their avatars because they are no longer making content

or lost the files to content

[muted bloom]

By the time it is removed, any content that is broken will be fair game

[strange spoke]

and its not every avatar, i've personally only seen one avatar that didnt look correct with the new system

[wheat fjord]

I'm not talking about the distant future

I'm talking about in a month when the beta period is over

[muted brook]

My avatar was really weird with the auto conversion

[strange spoke]

and thats just the progression of time of course things arent gonna be updated, but new things will come along and thats okay

[muted bloom]

If you don’t like how it auto replaces the dynamic bones, you are free to disable the auto converter.

[muted brook]

There being no inside colliders and it made my tail way too wiggly

[strange spoke]

they cant just keep dynamic bones forever, the fact that they're giving us a period to update is a blessing itself

[wheat fjord]

Authors won't update content if they're no longer using vrchat

or have lost the files to content

[strange spoke]

yeah no duh

[muted bloom]

You are free to disable the auto converter

[strange spoke]

go get new avatars then

[wheat fjord]

excuse me was I talking to you?

[wheat fjord]

I'm not talking about me

[strange spoke]

lmao

[muted bloom]

The person you are talking about is free to disable the auto converter

[limpid nest]

Wait the betas kinda cool

[strange spoke]

it is!

[limpid nest]

I need physbones avatars tho

[rose stag]

Does anyone here have Physbones open beta working on their quest? I just wanna know how it is cause I don't have a pc to side load the SDK

[limpid nest]

I do!

[wheat fjord]

My avatar has physbones and is quest compatible

[limpid nest]

It’s really nice!

[wheat fjord]

But it's my person avi

[limpid nest]

Ohh

Coolio

[wheat fjord]

I'm not making public content at this time, until things are finalized

[rose stag]

I've been looking for videos from quest users but haven't found any yet

[limpid nest]

I’ll make one

[wheat fjord]

The process of adding physbones to avatars is no different from pc

You just cannot add constraints, some new avatars are going to be using those more heavily

[muted bloom]

Actually I’m not sure why constraints aren’t whitelisted

[rose stag]

That'll be great cause if I like what I see from it I'll try to use my mom's crappy laptop to side load the SDK and give the open beta a try myself

[wheat fjord]

It's been suggested already in the canny that constraints be added to the quest whitelist

[wheat fjord]

No one seems to know why

[tropic sail]

Old content is gonna have to break for progress to occur. I'm pretty glad to be rid of dynbones, and as we've seen with other features, avatar (and world) authors won't change to use new, better systems until they are forced to. See: sdk 2 avis, inverted hips, etc

[wheat fjord]

It would really help

if they were

Literally, shaders would be the only major missing thing then

[muted bloom]

The last I’ve heard was it was just a timing mistake - pc got constants the same time quest came out, so it wasn’t on the list

[tropic sail]

Iirc constraints weren't allowed because people were trying to use them to hackily replicate bone physics

[wheat fjord]

It can't be a performance thing

[limber quartz]

My guess is maybe not quite performant for quest?

oh nvm

[wheat fjord]

people are doing that already with physbones

[muted bloom]

Do you have anything quotable for this

[tropic sail]

...yeah? That's the point. Now that there's a native solution, it shouldn't be nessisary. Hopefully they change the whitelist.

[tropic sail]

Nope, it's total heresay. Sorry

[wheat fjord]

They're still doing it on the beta right now

I have an example

[muted bloom]

It’s the first I’ve heard that there was an actual reason for constraints not being allowed I’m not sure if I believe that

[wheat fjord]

I don't believe that to be the case

An oversight actually sounds likely

It's been tracked internally in the canny

[muted bloom]

Has anybody messed with phys bones on a spring joint that is also grabable

Very entertaining

[wheat fjord]

I had to forgo grabbing on one of my bones to get a certain, but grabbing wasn't working on it prior

I cannot always see grabbing taking place when a quest user does it

[barren wigeon]

I need to setup my vr and stop just running around hoping other people will poke my ears

[timber plinth]

sussy physbones
https://i.gyazo.com/fb0d589bfd009ade6d8f1a2bd0da8c6b.mp4

[dim cloak]

People still ended up replicating "dynamic bones" on quests with blendtrees and animations iirc so idk why they got rid of constraints just because of that.

[timber plinth]

[muted bloom]

“ Wait, dogs can pet themselves? A new world has opened up to us”

[timber plinth]

ima upload this stuff and then test ingame

[wheat fjord]

can colliders be placed on humanoid rig bones?

I was able to set some up

but my head collider seems be ignore by my hair sometimes

[barren wigeon]

I have been getting better at using animations since OSC and the bones arrived

[muted bloom]

Oh no

[timber plinth]

yes

[wheat fjord]

My hair seems to go through my face for some reason

[timber plinth]

might be related to the head scaling down in first person

[wheat fjord]

oh

[timber plinth]

not sure if thats an issue with colliders

[muted bloom]

Phys bones no. Contacts and colliders yes

[timber plinth]

its not with contacts

[muted bloom]

Phys bones on humanoid muscles will have undefined behavior

[timber plinth]

they break the IK

[wheat fjord]

I've experienced that with converted thigh physics

[muted bloom]

Works for a little and then it just doesn’t

[timber plinth]

but colliders are ok

[wheat fjord]

which I don't really need anyways

[muted bloom]

I really want a “clear phys bone pose” animator behavior lol

[wheat fjord]

You're not the only one

I justed turned posing off completely because there's not way to do that

I think that's in the canny

[muted bloom]

Wait, what happens if you animate the poseable checkbox to uncheck

[wheat fjord]

I think it's been brought up it doesn't clear it, but let me pull the canny link up

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-enableactive-property-for-physbones-colliders-and-contacts

My avatar has a dummy head gameobject located in the same place as the head bone. If I place a collider there, will that collider move when I move my head?

Because it seems my hair is ignoring my head collider for some reason

don't know it's first person thing, but someone indicated to me it was

[dim cloak]

Made a step-by-step tutorial of creating a boop effect on your nose that includes facial expressions, a burst particle system, and an audio source for anyone that needs help with it. I know a lot of people in here can make this stuff, but for those that have a harder time with it, this will hopefully be a good starting point and is information y'all can toss someone's way if they do ask how to do something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4mMA3gZlSs

[molten cobalt]

very nice to have a step-by-step tutorial for that

[molten cobalt]

just finished the video it was quite helpful

I might suggest linking to a video showing how to make a right default off facial expression in the video description as you did sort of gloss over that bit by using an existing happy face

[dim cloak]

Added and glad the video was helpful ^.^

[molten cobalt]

thanks for adding it I didn't want folks game stuck because they're not familiar with write default off workflow

[dim cloak]

Yeah, totally slipped my mind to add it! I try to make sure people know that I use write defaults off since I know it can differ from write defaults on. Never really used write defaults on after the very first avatar I made, so I'm not entirely sure if there are different "normal" practices to do with write defaults on in comparison to write defaults off.

[molten cobalt]

no clue myself on that as I've used tools to auto-generate my expressions

https://hai-vr.github.io/combo-gesture-expressions-av3/

[dim cloak]

Yeah, all I do know is that using write defaults messed up any semi-complex animator setups I did and so I turned them off and went with that. I know in general that write defaults essentially returns an animation to its "default" state when transitioning to another, but I've never found any clear cut explanation on what exactly it does.

[dim cloak]

I used to use this, but I stopped because I wanted more control over how I wanted my expressions to fire off. I used this as a basis to build my own expressions layer though.

It's actually extremely similar, I just modified how transitions work and such.

[molten cobalt]

cool

[spring salmon]

When I try to add a sender to test some things for my avatar it won't let me add a collision tag

Nvm I'm an idiot 😃

[dark dune]

Ok, I finally found a clue! For some reason, having GestureRight and GestureRightWeight expression parameters was causing my avatar to fall back to SDK2 (updated the canny: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-avatar-crashes-when-gestureright-or-gestureweightright-expression-parameter)

Has anyone seen that before?

[small surge]

Nope and i use that to control some things

[dark dune]

Yeah, I have no explanation for this.

The log message that tipped me off was

2022.03.10 19:34:20 Error      -  [Behaviour] AddAvatarParam failed param=GestureRightWeight, type=Float

[dim cloak]

You guys do know that those parameters are built into the game, despite not having them in your expressions parameter list, right?

[dark dune]

I did not know that!

But that's helpful, I will leave it out

[dim cloak]

Yeah if you take them out of your list they will still work

they function similarly to contacts

[dark dune]

Ah ok, nice

[dim cloak]

they wont sync across the network, so if you do a "half blinking eyes" expression using the gestureright and gestureleft weight, then if someone joins late you'd have to redo that expression for them to see it.

But that's why we usually use them for expressions

[brave forge]

Ever find out if it's possible to do constraints yet without the actual script? I don't need to know how. Just need to know if it's possible yet lol.

[dim cloak]

because expressions are temporary and not needed to sync across the network in normal circumstances.

[dim cloak]

Constraints without a script? What do you mean?

[dim cloak]

Also frees up 32 bits of memory 😄 no need for the ints/floats for the params

[brave forge]

I've been trying to find a way to make a chair stay in 1 position using the gravity and floor collider effect(Only problem is to me it seems impossible since anything in the avatar itself moves with the avatar lol.

[dim cloak]

You're just wanting to make a chair that you can move around yourself right, and stays in world space so you can move around freely?

[brave forge]

Correct (But trying to make this on quest side lol. PC side it's easy with parent constraints.)

[floral ore]

put in play space now it doesn't work anyone know how too fix-it

[dim cloak]

I don't think it will be possible to place an object in world space without constraints of some sort

even if you used physbones

[brave forge]

I'll just have to test some things out.

[dim cloak]

Yeah off the top of my head I can't think of a way to lock an object in world space without using constraints of some sort.

[brave forge]

I mean it might be possible if you use an invisible floor game object as a parent bone and then use the child bone to the chair and when you move the floor follows, but the chair acts like it isn't moving. (My brain hurts thinking this lol)

[dim cloak]

huh

i am not sure about that one LOL

[proud mauve]

Hello! Quick question… for upcoming updates for the physbones, if an avatar had dynamic bones on pc that I would not have known, is there any way I can see those dynamics through the avatar dynamics updates on quest? Or would that be a “I need owner permissions,” type deal.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, will avatars automatically transfer without myself having to manually convert?

[sour epoch]

the dynamic bones of an avatar on PC will NOT automatically convert to physbones on the same avatar on quest

the quest version of avatars can't have dynamic bones so there is nothing for it to go off of, and they will need to have physbones added and manually reuploaded

[molten cobalt]

so basically you would just need to hope whoever made your public Avatar updates the avatar

[sour epoch]

the conversion process only applies to PC avatars, where dynamic bones will be converted to physbones

[proud mauve]

Ah I see, thanks :]

[molten cobalt]

and even most of those avatars probably would be a good idea for the makers to manually upgrade to physics bones for better control

[tender dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488479298530050057/951647500241076254/2022-03-10_20-06-25.mp4

physbones finally gave me the motivation to roll up my one sleeve

[dim cloak]

I love it, I want to do stuff like this with some outfits in the future!

[proud mauve]

Oh man I wish, the creator of the avatar I use privated the avatar world so I’m just hoping at this point

[molten cobalt]

very nice

[tender dome]

its pretty easy too, just make an empty game object on the elbow, put a physbone component on it, adjust endpoint and put in a name for the parameter then use (Parameter)_Stretch to drive a blend tree which controls animations with the sleeve blendshape

i tried doing this with a contact at first like an idiot

[dim cloak]

😮 This is super useful to know. I haven't tried anything like this yet and wasn't entirely sure how to do it.

[tender dome]

my only problem is my right hand can grab the physbone, so if i accidentally grab it it'll reset the sleeve animation, yall know if theres anyway i can make it ignore the right hand?

[cloud mango]

How do you change out of beta? I don’t know how

[muted bloom]

I suppose you could make sure the left hand isn't doing any gesture that couldn't possibly be grabbing. It wouldn't prevent it entirely but it would sometimes

[dim cloak]

If "Allow Grabbing" is properly animatable then you could make it so that when HandL enters a receiver on your right wrist it enables "Allow Grabbing" and when it's not there it turns off grabbing.

[next spire]

@tender dome Oh hey there, do you know anything about the terms of use of the PhysBones? Can we use them outside of VRChat for unrelated Unity projects? Do we need to credit the VRChat team or anything if we can?

[dim cloak]

Could use a capsule that runs up your arm for the HandL receiver

[muted bloom]

Pretty sure Allow Grabbing is animatable yes

[dim cloak]

Would maybe try that then

[tender dome]

i'm not a vrchat team member, so i don't know 😅

[next spire]

yeah figured, but we never know

[spring salmon]

I was working on a boop thing for my avatar now I can't add layers or parameters and I can't see my hands layers or anything

[tender dome]

hmm, if it ends up bugging me enough ill try that but as far as i can tell i have to actually bend my wrist back to the point where it hurts in order to grab it with my right hand, so ill leave it as is for now xD

[dim cloak]

Ah yeah it probably wont be much of an issue then. But I think that would get ya where you're wanting to go if the Allow Grabbing can be properly animated. Did ya make it so others can roll your sleeves up to? Hahah

[tender dome]

im not sure if i can even prevent other players from grabbing a specific physbone

[dim cloak]

I actually feel stupid for asking that LOL since you have allow grabbing on then anyone can grab it if you have interactions on. But if you made that toggle then others couldn't grab it if you didn't want them to.

[tender dome]

though i think the likelyhood of someone randomly coming up and pulling down my sleeve is about as likely as it is in real life

[floral flint]

https://hello.vrchat.com/legal/sdk

[tender dome]

so im not really gonna worry about that

[dim cloak]

I know what I'm doing if I see ya in a lobby now

[tender dome]

pretty sure you saw me yesterday

i had the vine boom button

[next spire]

oh thanks!

didn't know I could find my informations in here

[dim cloak]

Yeppers! I loved it xD all the fun toys and such people are making are great!

[tender dome]

its kinda broken though, you cant really spam it

sometimes you gotta give it a second before you can use it again

[dim cloak]

Yeah buffer particle systems or just having it cycle through a couple duplications of the same system would get by that issue. I ended up doing that on my shield and my lightsaber.

Kind of annoying to set up though heh

[iron quest]

under 4.3 "(h) use VRChat Materials to develop code, software, or other materials for anything other than for use within the VRChat Platform;"

[tender dome]

i use particle systems once in a blue moon so i wouldnt know how to fix that on a particle system level

[dim cloak]

I could show ya a couple different ways you could do it sometime if ya would like ^.^

[next spire]

okay, got it, so it's a no

[tender dome]

honestly would be neat as hell if vrc released a standalone version of physbones on the unity asset store without all the vrc specific stuff

if i work on any games that could use secondary motion, it sure would be nice to not use dynamic bones

[bright jungle]

pog

[shrewd estuary]

woah an announcement

[inner kayak]

oo

[meager fiber]

i was on the open beta channel reading as soon as that open beta dropped

amazing timing lol

[vital pilot]

neat

[molten cobalt]

interesting note with the shaders

[gilded stream]

I'm sure they will after VRChat has had some time to enjoy it.

[molten cobalt]

good idea for them to start the future-proofing now

[next spire]

ikr, vrc team write this down 👀

[near grove]

did you guys also fix the issue with older avatars? the hands were offset and the head was tilting weirdly

[tender dome]

is this worth a canny post?

[hollow belfry]

Why would they tho

They want you to play vrchat

I think there are a few different dynamic bone alternatives though

[cursive bridge]

we're all used to theirs though

people go for what's familiar

[next spire]

^

[tender dome]

true but i want to give vrchat my money

[cursive bridge]

they could make $$ with that

maybe not $$$

but $$

[molten cobalt]

then get vrchat+

[next spire]

free within VRChat, payed outside

[tender dome]

i am, i want to give them MORE money

[next spire]

go ahead

[dim cloak]

sounds like im looking for a place to eat on google right now LOL

[cursive bridge]

in the fifteen seconds it's been since announcement does anyone know if they fixed animating gravity on physbones yet

[sullen elk]

Do we need to actually have dynamic bones installed to compile

[cursive bridge]

they didn't SAY they did

[inner kayak]

DB to PB Conversion was added into Unity menu. VRChat SDK/Utilities/Convert DynamicBones to PhysBones
Unsure if it supports the Unity undo system, but this canny could probably be marked as completed:
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-sdk-dynamic-bone-conversion-should-be-its-own-tool

[jagged inlet]

Are runtime converted physbones still not animatable by default?

[stable wagon]

well, that seem broken -.-

[cursive bridge]

CyberKitsune idk what you mean by runtime converted specifically cuz I added mine new

[stable wagon]

better backup my file before temp on fixing it

[cursive bridge]

they're still not animatable

Also, the new SDK gave me errors it wouldn't build past, rolled back to prev and it's fine.

Something about not being able to find a prefab in temp.

[sour epoch]

if you're getting any errors, delete the sdk folder then import the new sdk

[dim cloak]

New SDK does fix the grabbing issue from what i can tell in unity

pog

[gilded stream]

Probably not no. If VRChat wants to sell off their creations, they can, but from a business perspective, it wouldn't make sense to do this until you've used your own asset for at least a year or two.

[wraith island]

oh well, guess some shaders i use will just break at some point. I know jack shit about shader code.

[dim cloak]

the return of tail wags

[near grove]

If we look at the script being reff'd here, it looks like you are trying to convert Dynamic Bones that are missing their Scripts into Physbones. I can confirm you do not need to have the DynBones package imported in order to use the new Physic Bones, but you do need it if your avatar is using a prefab that predefines Dynamic Bones.

[lean grotto]

hi, regarding dynamic bones:

i use an avatar that has physbones enabled, but it can only be seen on pc. pc users can see it on my avatar, but since i use quest, i and other quest users obviously cannot. i know that physbones have to be added to quest avatars specifically, but if you convert the physbones on the pc version of it, will that apply to quest usage?

if so, how can i do this? is there a tutorial for beginners?

[gilded stream]

Only if Quest version has Phys bones set up on it.

[dim cloak]

Confirmed that you DO NOT need to transition to an empty clip and stop the animation. The bones keep moving while they're grabbed, but they are not jittery. Again all of this is tested IN UNITY at the moment, not in game yet.

[stable wagon]

ok, reinstalling it did fix it. recommend for user who broke your sdk. move all imported file into a backup file so you dont lose your work

[inner kayak]

#open-beta-discussion message

[near grove]

You are a god, and I think you are awesome :D that is all I wanted to say, thank you for your tutorials.

[lean grotto]

i'm not sure if it does. i use the pc version of the avatar but i use quest so i cannot see them from my perspective

how can i do this?

[sullen elk]

Mine don't.
This is just came up once I imported the new SDK.
Dynamic Bones has never touched this project, I stopped installing it a year ago.

[gilded stream]

I think you mean to say you use the Quest version of the avatar. And it needs to have Phys Bones installed to it.

[near grove]

You already tried reimporting the SDK?

[sullen elk]

Yeah, will try again I guess

[lean grotto]

well, no, i never made a quest version because i don't know how
as i said, i'm quite a beginner to this

i just downloaded an avatar that i was given and imported it to the unity sdk

[gilded stream]

How are you using the avatar on a Quest then?

[stable wagon]

i did after delete sdk. that will fix it

[lean grotto]

i just downloaded an avatar that i was given and imported it to the unity sdk

using a youtube tutorial

[dim cloak]

here it is without the empty clip, this is very very nice now.

[lean grotto]

i'm not sure

[gilded stream]

Wait, are you using Quest connected to a PC?

[lean grotto]

no

i'm using the quest 2 application for vrchat

[near grove]

During the creation of a Quest Ready avatar, you will need to add the physbones to that project as that is handled in Android Build.

[dim cloak]

Thank ya haha, happy to help the community in any way I can so people can make avatars more easily ^.^

[lean grotto]

how can i do this?

[dire raven]

There is plans to make transparent shader working again and optimized on sdk like the return of vrchat/mobile/particles/additive?

[fading abyss]

i-

[gilded stream]

Please watch a guide on Quest avatar creation. This isn't really the place for that discussion.

[fading abyss]

i dont understand why this is happening?

[near grove]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-content-for-the-oculus-quest

[lean grotto]

but it wouldn't be updated for the new dynamic bones update right? since it just came out

[gilded stream]

No, but it's a starting point, you start with Quest Avatar creation, then you look up how to set up Phys Bones.

[soft mason]

you’d probably have to switch the build target to android and upload it that way if the quest version uses the same model. I’m not sure how the conversion works, but if physbones are already on it then you’re good to upload after switching. if its dynamic bones youll have to manually change those as dynamic bones aren’t available on quest avatars

[lean grotto]

well okay, but then how do i convert those to dynamic bones?

[soft mason]

if the avatar already has phys bones id assume

[woven ledge]

do you still have to factory reset?

[gilded stream]

Quest can only use Phys Bones

[lean grotto]

but the new dynamic bones update is for quest too

[soft mason]

no

[near grove]

The build target needs to be switched, yes, AND a Quest Ready avatar has to be uploaded.

[lean grotto]

??

[gilded stream]

No, it's Phys Bones

[lean grotto]

what? they advertised that and everything hold on

[soft mason]

It’s phys bones, those and dynamic bones are different

[gilded stream]

They advertised that Dynamic Bones can be converted to Phys Bones

[lean grotto]

wait

which one is the new one: phys or dynamic

[gilded stream]

Physics Bones is the new one

[sudden basalt]

PhysBones are new.

[lean grotto]

OH

[stable wagon]

test seem to work better. nothing need fix

[lean grotto]

i thought dynamic bones were the new ones

wow im slow. sorry for the misunderstanding

[gilded stream]

Lol

[small surge]

If you auto fix old dynbones , it will change em to phys , some tweaks needed

[stable wagon]

yes

[woven ledge]

do you still have to factory reset to go back to normal vr chat on quest?

[small surge]

radius will never be correct but thats easy fixed in unity

[stable wagon]

tweak maybe needed

[lean grotto]

alright well how do i convert dyn to phys then?

[dim cloak]

Physbones are the replacement for dynamic bones. From my understanding the math they use to calculate them is different and it is properly multithreaded as well.

[lean grotto]

now that i understand the difference lol

[near grove]

PhysBones and the Interaction Based Contacts

[lean grotto]

yeah i got em switched around, my fault

[hollow belfry]

no

[wind marlin]

Why can’t I join any severs with people in it? I’m on oculus just enables phys bones is that why?

[near grove]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-dynamics

[dim cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3cQ21JQEGg Not that I don't want to type it out here, but I did make a video explaining the conversion process from DB --> Physbones.

Other guides out there as well

[gilded stream]

Correct, Beta Branch is not compatible with Live Branch

[lean grotto]

oh thank you so much!

[fading abyss]

can someone help?

[wind marlin]

Ahhhh thank you

[near grove]

And there is a new method just released minutes ago

[stable wagon]

soon this come out. db will be pointless to buy. pb as now is far better and free 😛

[lean grotto]

oh please link?

[muted bloom]

- Fixed endpoint conversion issue when converting from Dynamic Bones to PhysBones in Editor and at runtime, but it was way more apparent in editor so we'll put it down here in SDK changes

Does this refer to DB End Length --> PB End Offset?

[dim cloak]

Wait did the method change? Oh lord

[near grove]

**DB to PB Conversion was added into Unity menu.** `VRChat SDK/Utilities/Convert DynamicBones to PhysBones`. Must select avatar for this to work

[lean grotto]

the reason i thought dynamic bones were the new ones is because physbones is new but it's under the avatar dynamics umbrella

a bit confusing lol

[lean grotto]

oh wait so if an avatar has dyn bones i can just convert them to phys with a click of a button?

[dim cloak]

Ah you can still do it the way I showed in the tutorial too

There's two ways to do it now.

You can do it directly in the SDK menu drop down at the top, or in the SDK builder.

[gilded stream]

Yes.

[stable wagon]

is it too late ask my money back for db from 2 years ago? LOL just joking

[dim cloak]

whew

[lean grotto]

amazing

alright

[dire raven]

maybe yes bc the options still there