open-beta-discussion

[tall frigate]

Why do I turn so slow in open bata

[quaint geode]

known issue with turn rate being tied to FPS/framerate

[tall frigate]

I’m using quest

[quaint geode]

yeah happens on both platforms as far as I know

[tall frigate]

18 fps

[tender dome]

yeah rn the more you lag the slower you turn

[heady jacinth]

How do I join the beta on quest?

[tender dome]

#open-beta-info

though be warned trying to switch back to live can be a pain on quest

[molten cobalt]

but be warned it's a bit hard to get out of the beta with bugs in the quest software and not a whole lot to do if you don't upload your own avatars

[tender dome]

yeah this doesnt magically make pre-existing quest avatars have flowy hair

people have to update their stuff

[muted bloom]

We need to get VRCat in here with an auto responder for how do I join the beta lol

[proud bronze]

Try using rotation angle limits

[tender dome]

hi adeon

[muted bloom]

Hi sipp

[tender dome]

i fixed my thingy :)

[upper mountain]

Hello, boys.

[muted bloom]

Nice

[tender dome]

i am now smart

i was toggling off the fucking object that had the reciever on it

so it had no idea what to do

[coarse stag]

That happens if you are viewing a playable layer other than Base, and you haven't selected it in the av3 emulator's "Duplicate Debug Animator" dropdown. basically unity only shows parameter values from the first playable layer, even if you view another one, and so I have a hack in av3emulator to make one of the other layers the first one.

oops discord marked everything unread from this morning and I necro'd something old by mistake.

[lime yarrow]

I don't have the time or the need for this so maybe somebody else can do it (though it won't work completely until Physbone driven parameters are properly sent over OSC). Ratatouille Avatar (or similar, maybe a mech like D.Va's) that can be controlled by grabbing Physbone enabled hair, and using the angle data and triggers. And with OSC you could also control the movement of the person using the avatar if they have the script set up to accept OSC control of their movements.

Imagine hair physbones that take over control of your body/arms

God it's an exciting prospect haha

[prisma dune]

I’ll check that out

[coarse stag]

Woah hold on, it would totally be possible to replicate Haï~'s handholding shader now with PhysBone grabbing...
Like make three arms: one is the standard humanoid arm driven by IK; one is a physbone chain set to animator mode, constrained to the IK bone and PhysBone toggled off; and one is what the mesh is rigged to which swaps weight between the real IK arm and the physbone chain depending on if IsGrabbed is true

think about the possibilities

I want to see it happen

[molten cobalt]

somebody has made that kind of Avatar but in the form of a Titanfall robot

[lime yarrow]

Hell yeah that's what I like to see

[lime yarrow]

Nice!

[lime yarrow]

Though I suspect that the IK not being properly represented in physbones would make the arm break at certain angles

Unless there's a way to point the elbow at a ref bone

Like maybe using aim constraints

[coarse stag]

it might be able to approximate it with some combination of angle limits and lookat constraints

the arm is a pretty simple system that bends in one direction (mostly)

probably won't be quite as good as a real IK driven arm

[lime yarrow]

Just worried that if you pull the hand backwards is it going to snap your elbow haha

[coarse stag]

well I mean if you did that in real life it would probably be painful too

[lime yarrow]

Fair

Could you use final IK for it?

[coarse stag]

LookAtConstraint does have that gimbal lock issue unfortunately

actually -- we still have access to FinalIK

yeah so you could probably do it "right"

[lime yarrow]

Nice

Too bad final IK is like $90

cries in poor

[coarse stag]

wait for a sale and get for $45

[lime yarrow]

Fair

[coarse stag]

(or just scum the class name and properties off your friends and make stubs)

[lime yarrow]

It's also hard to justify since they regularly break it

[coarse stag]

literally you can just write
class RootMotion.FinalIK.LimbIK {
Transform something;
Vector3 anotherthing;
...
}
and if the property names match the real script, they should work

you just won't be able to test in editor so it will be pretty painful to learn how it works

[lime yarrow]

Interesting.

Yeah lmao

I'll buy it eventually. Is there a specific version I should be looking for?

[coarse stag]

:-p no idea

[lime yarrow]

I need it for grounder IK

Ah

[coarse stag]

^ based

[lime yarrow]

And for ray casting

Mostly Raycasting tbh

[unkempt finch]

Is there going to be a raising of the reccomended phys bone components in avatar ratings? 4 recommended seems like its a little limiting lol

[tender dome]

you can still have like, 8 components and still be good can't you?

8 is plenty.

[unkempt finch]

True, I was able to get to 12 and get to medium

[proud bronze]

If you're doing things like hair, just group all the chains under one parent bone instead of a component for every chain

[dim cloak]

A friend of mine has already done this and is actually in the process of making it look smoother.

You can grab his limbs and move them around as you please

it's pretty cool

[short jasper]

Got this to work for a commish already

[turbid saffron]

I'd need to rebuild the chains and I need two for two separate axis locks.

[near grove]

I have a question so just The Quest you can it do it Or no?? For the beta

[timber plinth]

#open-beta-info

[molten cobalt]

just be aware apparently it's a pain in the butt to get back to the live version because of poor programming from Facebook and if you don't upload your own avatars there might not be much to play with

[muted bloom]

That’s basically like the people that make a udon mirror button but don’t assign the mirror to it so the button defaults to itself and just makes itself vanish instead

[wintry notch]

Can someone ask why the physbones on the ears are having a spasm?

[short jasper]

• Is there a collider affecting it?
• Try turning max stretch up slightly

[wintry notch]

Aight

No changes

I have no colliders

[drifting nacelle]

how? make tut pls 😛

[short jasper]

You're lucky I'm a sucker for making guides, I'll ping you whenever I do it

[drifting nacelle]

or dm me, thanks 🙂 much love ❤️

[wintry notch]

Will it still affect how it would look like in game>

[vast compass]

Anyone else's puppets break with avatar dynmics?
my tail puppet doesnt work properly at all unless i turn off tge physbones on it

said tail puppet controlls rotations on tail bones

[small surge]

This a IsAnimation thing?, if its on anim should behave, but grab goes derp then

[vast compass]

it is animation / blendtree

[proud bronze]

Make sure to check the Is Animated box on the physbone component

[vast compass]

a thing i didnt see, thanki

[small surge]

Have to enable that to make it behave, have it on my ears/gesture but then no one can grab it without it going into spazzmode

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-grabbing-is-animated-physics-bones-stutters-doesnt-actually-move < that thing

[vast compass]

hopefully will be fixed on release

[rigid pollen]

how about instead of using a collider to prevent clipping perhaps use the rotation limiter

[prisma dune]

I’ll try that thanks

[rigid pollen]

no worries

[charred palm]

I just realized some reason my sdk isn't working right

It got it of those scrolling stuff & control panel not Wanna work

The beta sdk*

[visual path]

Does anyone know why the beta sdk won't let me edit view points

[fallow rock]

do you have Gizmos disabled?

[visual path]

Where is that option

[fallow rock]

in the Scene, should be highlighted to show they're on

[visual path]

O h

Well I'm dumb

[hollow hatch]

it happens to too many people

[charred palm]

Sooo

It's not letting me get me to control panel

[ivory oracle]

I'm confused how do I get into the open beta on quest. Do I need to download the sdk?

[hollow hatch]

Likely not a specific to Beta issue, but you probably have errors you need to remedy before the SDK can compile, check the console and fix your errors starting at the top. Move to #user-support-old for help with this otherwise

[hollow hatch]

to get beta client, read the quest related parts in #open-beta-info
to work with the beta sdk in unity, yes you need the sdk, which can be downloaded in #open-beta-announcements

[flat patrol]

They should create a channel call. Help, am stuck in the betaverse

[ivory oracle]

But when I download it how do I put it on the quest them?

Then*

[hollow hatch]

sdk is pc, beta client is on the platform you use, which requires you switching to beta, and that is again, in #open-beta-info

[ivory oracle]

Oh my bad thanks

[proven oxide]

may i also get pinged whenever you make a guide on that? :O

[short jasper]

Ye

[light socket]

do the built-in contact senders for e.g. the head not work in the editor?

[flat patrol]

Tutorial unclear, got avatar stock in the floor.

[wind bronze]

I'm so confused??

[light socket]

i'm going to assume this is the case for now, since a test sender works when i tell it to tag as Head, and hope that it works when I get around to trying it in-game

[wintry root]

Make the camera in scene tagged as main camera

I know you can grab and test phys bones in play mode is there a way to test the triggers as well?

[light socket]

if by triggers you mean contacts, they seem to work okay on my end except for the contacts built into the avatar.

[wintry root]

Oh yeah the contacts I can place them and use them in game fine but I am not sure exactly how to test them in unity without disabling the objects and driving their values manualy

[light socket]

i'm able to test them fine in unity (except, again, for the contacts built into the avatar). maybe that's because of Av3Emulator?

~~nevermind. what i must have been running into is https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-proximity-contact-does-not-work-with-capsules~~ edit: nvm again, proximity works fine with capsules too. so it's just not registering the avatar's contacts edit 2: ahh the post is about a receiver that is a capsule, not a sender

so yeah, works fine in the editor for me

[wintry root]

Oh weird I am using the spear ones do you have them set to finger or something else?

As I have them set up and they work in VRChat just clicking on them in editor does nothing unless I am ment to like try to poke a finger into it off the avatar or something

[light socket]

yeah, or you could create a contact sender that's tagged as a finger and poke that into the receiver

[wintry root]

Ah I might have to do that then

Yeah that does it exactly lol

[left roost]

Is anyone else having an issue where your whole body floats to the side when lifting your legs in FBT?

[vapid carbon]

so I got a question if ur stuck in beta wat should u do?

[quaint geode]

if on Oculus, make sure you turn the beta off by selecting version "live" (the same way you set it to beta to enable it), and then uninstall/reinstall VRChat

[vapid carbon]

Oh I see but wat if it isn't working

[quaint geode]

not sure xD usually will fix after reinstalling if you set it back to live

[jovial pine]

does anyone knows what vrc_Dial and vrc_Lever scripts doing? couldn't find any mention in the documentation

[near grove]

On quest, how do you go from open beta back to live?

I tried doing it the same way I went to open beta, but it’s not working

[inner kayak]

reinstall once you switch to live

[glass cloud]

if reinstalling doesnt work you might have to factory reset

which i find a bit stupid

[vapid carbon]

._ . Well then

[molten cobalt]

yep but that one would be entirely on the Facebook's incompetent programming

as vrchat didn't design the system for getting into betas for the quest

[glass cloud]

i noticed you mention in the #ik-2 channel

[vague nacelle]

I had to factory reset my quest in order to get mine to work was not fond of having to do that but atleast now I have a valid way to switch back and forth. -.-

[glass cloud]

yea but like rainwolf said its facebooks fault lmao 😭

[molten cobalt]

if you're not personally Avatar Creator I would probably stay into the live version of vrchat

[vague nacelle]

I am an avatar creator actually I have made 5 public Rexouium avatars so far.

[glass cloud]

so when the full release of vrchat avatar dynamics releases, what happens to the open beta

[vague nacelle]

So I will be switching back and forth now.

[timber jewel]

It will be closed and removed out of the store

[glass cloud]

so if im in open beta ill automatically be put into live?

[timber jewel]

Normally yes, but idk how stupid Meta is so yeah

[vague nacelle]

Is there a possible approximate full release date for the live version of physbones?

[glass cloud]

yea i bet u mark zuccy did something wrong

[chrome parcel]

milk are you the guy i was talking to about optimization earlier ingame

[timber jewel]

No there isn't

[molten cobalt]

not possible

[muted bloom]

After mulling it over, I no longer have an issue with the bi-directional permission system and think it was the right move. >_>

[glass cloud]

damn i wish

[vague nacelle]

That is unfortunate but will not deter me from trying to hone these new builds. I am not able to do much with a janky PC but all the same I plan on doing what I can until I get a better one.

If I had a better PC the amount of time on avatars and worlds would be more frequent and possibly more optimal than my last.

[robust gyro]

if I enter the open beta on one platform, will it automatically update on the other platform? like, if I went onto the open beta on quest would it affect anything on the steam version?

[vague nacelle]

That is a good question.

[robust gyro]

cuz since I got air link to work now I’m considering using the quest version for the beta and the steam version for the live

but idk if that’s gonna cause conflict between the two

[timber jewel]

No it won't

[robust gyro]

ok good to know

[stable wagon]

it be pointless too. no one can join you and i think beta will kick you out when it over

[robust gyro]

also, when dynamic bones are converted to physbones, does that apply to sdk2 avatars as well? would they be upgraded to sdk3 or just stay as they are?

I know that physbones are sdk3 only so what would the case be for sdk2 avis with dynamic bones?

[muted bloom]

It applies to all uploads, yes

old SDK2 uploads that have dynamics get replaced with phys bones (the auto-replace settings are, interactable and grabbable, but not poseable or stretchable)

[timber jewel]

Are you sure they aren't poseable?

Cause auto converted SDK 3 avatars ones are

[muted bloom]

posable means after grabbling you can lock them into a given position, instead of them just reverting when you let go. Yes I am fairly sure auto-converted ones are not posable.

I could be wrong though!

[near grove]

In the beta SDK it just made the bones floppy, but they're not interactable at all

with the conversion I mean. I'm not sure how to make them interactable

[formal breach]

If the dynamic bone script didn’t have a radius set then you won’t have interactivity in the auto converted physbones

[formal breach]

Converted dynbones have been posable and interactive for me. SDK2 and SDK3

[near grove]

I'm not sure how to really do that

I'm not very well-versed in Unity

[formal breach]

Go to your dynamic bone script in Unity and add a radius. It’s just an option in the list.

Make them small though, don’t have a large radius

[near grove]

I don't intend to work on that right away but I'll keep that in mind for later when I do

[formal breach]

Oh I see, you have converted dynamic bones to physbones in Unity, I thought we were talking auto conversion in runtime. Regardless, the same applies, you need to add a radius in the component.

Start small, don’t make them huge.

[near grove]

yep. I'm actually gonna go back now since I still have to charge my Quest so I can't go in and check things out anytime soon anyway

how big should I actually make the parameter to start with?

Idrk what I'm doing

ah wait hold on a sec

radius* not parameter I was looking in the wrong spot

[tepid notch]

just enough to fit in the hair

[near grove]

I have ears and a tail

[tepid notch]

same applies

[near grove]

and again I have no idea how big that actually is

I have zero idea what I am doing

[tepid notch]

you should be able to see the radius ball in the DB script

in your scene, I mean

[near grove]

oh yeah ok it's just massive

ok that helps put things into perspective

how's this look?

[tepid notch]

looks fine to me

[near grove]

aight thanks

I'm gonna go ahead and not make the tongue interactable

[near grove]

If you’re in the server for the hyenid, I am pretty sure they updated it for physbones? The tongue at least

Ah I'm using the Pupper base

Idm doing this stuff myself tho tbh

Ahhhh I see! Alr sorry about the ping!

All good :)

[autumn dagger]

I'm having a bit of trouble with the parameter bit on the receiver

It says its not found when I have a parameter in my FX controller called it

It also says this

[torpid reef]

Anyone figured out physbones settings where the bones are loose but dont go completely inwards into the body when you move?

Aka I miss inert

[short jasper]

Does anyone have a fix for avatars being stuck in idle poses?

like the avatar fails to load and cant access the expression menu

It's an avatar I uploaded using the beta sdk

[timber jewel]

Do you have dynamic bones on your head or hip bone?

[short jasper]

Nope, I'm using physbones and those have their own roots unattached from the hip or head

[timber jewel]

hm okay, so you have no Phys Bones on any of the bones that are a part of the humanoid rig, right?

[short jasper]

expressions menu is greyed out and it says this on the debug

[short jasper]

Correct

[timber jewel]

oh weird

hmmm

[short jasper]

I've even attempted on uploading on a completely new blueprint, still occurs

[timber jewel]

weird

what happens when you try to load the avatar in the live version of the game?

do you also get that issue?

(using the same version of the Avatar)

[short jasper]

It works fine

I checked the output log when I load into the avatar and got this

It happens to various avatars randomly and I can't seem to pinpoint a reason why it's happening, all of these avatars work fine on live.
I've tried reconfiguring the rig, removing all playable layers, menus, and it still happens.

[timber jewel]

Hm that's really weird

Do they constantly wont load in the beta or just sometimes not?

[short jasper]

This is consistent across several avatars, some work fine, some don't

[fallow rock]

Man, I see this error from time to time and always wondered what comes after "...or your avatar"

[short jasper]

I may have found a fix, one moment

[timber jewel]

Someone made a canny for that isssue @short jasper
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-bug-some-previous-avatars-dont-load-properly-in-the-avatar-dynamic-beta

if you do finde a solution, you should probably write comment on it

[short jasper]

shall do

Nope, no luck.

[tranquil tartan]

i have the same problem

[short jasper]

The avatar works perfectly fine when you upload it locally via "Build and test" but actually uploading to VRC servers doesn't work.

[timber jewel]

hmmm

does clearing your cache and restarting solve the issue?

[short jasper]

I'll try that real quick

[short jasper]

Nope, still occurs

[timber jewel]

sad

[short jasper]

It looks like this is an issue on VRChat's side completely when loading the avatar from the servers maybe

Which means its out of my hands 😔

[timber jewel]

hmmm

but it only happens on the beta, which is weird

[tranquil tartan]

i have this problem... xD https://i.gyazo.com/458784ad0905649b03c8d8e9f3d53de7.gif

[timber jewel]

seems to be that same as the one from TrixxedHeart

[tranquil tartan]

yes, but this appears with test and publish avatar xD

[short jasper]

odd

[timber jewel]

just wondering do you have any Phys / Dynamic Bones on your humanoid bones? So you head, hips, chest etc

/ are a few of them set as root bones for them?

[short jasper]

Same avatar, one is local

[tranquil tartan]

yes, we have the same problem

[short jasper]

Okay I got it working

figuring out what the fuck i did to make it work

[blazing lodge]

@chrome parcel

[chrome parcel]

henlo

[tranquil tartan]

I have tried putting the Phys in the corresponding Root bones and also in a "Dynamics" component but neither works

[blazing lodge]

But yeah optimizing is a friggin paaaaain

[chrome parcel]

not for bones really if it's stuff like hair bones

just use cats to merge to parent on every other bone up a root

it transfers the weights

[timber jewel]

and what was that?

[chrome parcel]

it doesn't look that bad

[blazing lodge]

As soon as the new wiggle physics is live imma try my best to learn how to use it 😭

[chrome parcel]

to remain green we have a max of 32 transforms now for physbones

instead of 16 before with dynamic bones

[blazing lodge]

Wait so I’d have to go back into blender and convert the bones?

[chrome parcel]

No.

Not to convert the bones.

To OPTIMIZE for it

[blazing lodge]

Ah, I heard cats and immediately assumed the blender plug-in

[short jasper]

oh my god.

if you have a gestureleft or gestureright parameter in your parameter staging file it causes it

maybe, lemmie double check

[tranquil tartan]

really?

[blazing lodge]

Also, these touch menus I’ve been seeing blow my mind

[short jasper]

Yep

[tranquil tartan]

this is the failure?

[short jasper]

That's what fixed it for me

[tranquil tartan]

i go to try

[short jasper]

If you have "GestureRight" or "GestureLeft" parameters in your VRCExpressionParameters file it causes it

[timber jewel]

Why would you have those in there btw? xD

But do comment that on the post I mentioned earlier @short jasper

[short jasper]

i am rn

[timber jewel]

Good ^^

[short jasper]

force of habit to have every parameter on my animator in my parameter file

It seems to also occur when the "Viseme" parameter is used in it

[tranquil tartan]

But if that is the case, why did it work for you with the test version and not with the public one? both should fail...

[timber jewel]

urghh I'm already using like 126 paramters I really don't want anything random in there xD

[tranquil tartan]

ok, this solution dont work for me xD

[timber jewel]

because the test version is not networked

[short jasper]

Are you using a viseme parameter in it?

[timber jewel]

the viseme is though

even with a test avatar

at least this is how I imagine this whole thing happening

[tranquil tartan]

i remove all playable layers and the parameters have this

[timber jewel]

hmmmm

[short jasper]

you have two "props" parameters?

that causes issues

[timber jewel]

oh yeah that also causes this

[tranquil tartan]

its true

[short jasper]

Thats not how that works

You only need one bool for something like that

[timber jewel]

it's this issue:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-if-you-have-2-parameters-with-the-same-name-the-avatar-fails-to-initialize

[short jasper]

Never have two of the same parameter with the same name like that

[tranquil tartan]

i dont know why i have two xD

i gonna try it

[short jasper]

but yeah it looks like if you have any of these in your parameters file it breaks it so don't do that

[timber jewel]

yeah, seems to be a new issue with the beta

probably comes down to the same issue as having 2 parameters with the same name

[timber jewel]

because all of those are already networked and you are trying to do that again

[tranquil tartan]

ok, its works xD

[inner kayak]

a warning should prolly be added in the SDK if you are using built in parameters in your synced expression parameters

[timber jewel]

yeah that would prevent that

[inner kayak]

i know a lot of beginners that add those

thinking they need them

[chrome parcel]

Anyone messed with the different trigger types on the receivers

I've only gotten constant to work

I want to do the one that has a velocity check but I haven't been able to get it to work correctly for like sound effects

I've gotten it to play sound effects but it checks for too fast for it to actually work consistently

To get it to work I have to basically just constantly wave my baseball bat in and out of somebody's head and hope that it'll work one of the times

[inner kayak]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-sdk-add-build-error-and-auto-fix-if-built-in-parameters-are-found-in-expres

[jagged tapir]

why ?
VRC PhysBones : 10 = 9.999999999

[inner kayak]

unity floating point issues

You're having the error because floating points don't store exact numbers - they store approximations. Some specific numbers happen to be stored exactly, but most are not. When you're working with floats you have to just accept that and deal with it.

[torpid reef]

I am seriously thinking of adding a layer which handles physbones immobility. Stuff keeps clipping when moving so I am planning to increase the value while there is any movement detected. I miss inertia ._.

[jagged tapir]

@inner kayak I see, thank you

[jovial pine]

does anyone knows what vrc_Dial and vrc_Lever scripts doing? couldn't find any mention in the documentation. please tag me if you know something

[muted bloom]

If stuff is clipping that’s what Max angle is for

[inner kayak]

tupper said they looked to be artifacts from an older build of the sdk, they don’t do anything nor are they intentional

probably some old tests they did

#open-beta-discussion message

[jovial pine]

Thanks!

[sullen vigil]

Can't wait for vrc to fix some of the begs the beta currently has. (from what i seen all of them are on the canny and tracked.) looking forward to see AD working to it's fullest potential 👀

[warm cedar]

begs?

XD

[sleek heart]

im still not really understand how this system works. In order to grab an item, you make a bone in the armature and weight paint it to the item right?

[inner kayak]

2 ideas i have for cannys-

Add ability to grab multiple points on a single PhysBone chain for a certain radius. Think proportional editing in Blender, can grab things near your selection with falloff curve.
100% want this to make lifting skirts easier…

Add component to grab PhysBones in a certain radius. I want to make a little trash grabbing prop that can pick up or pose mine or other peoples PhysBones. Could also be used to “bite” PhysBones, or implement small gimmicks to pose/grab others bones.

_ _
its 6 am and i take years to type, so once i wake i’ll throw them on the feedback boards if one of you guys don’t

[warm cedar]

You know what would be an even better canny?

desktop user support for interaction

[inner kayak]

that’ll be hard with contacts being a thing, but the SDK already allows grabbing physbones in editor

so desktop could probably have that added

[inner kayak]

if a component to grab physbones was added, someone could easily make an OSC script tied to mouse cursor to move a prop in game to grab/interact with others physbones

[little sapphire]

Could someone help me out with a simple sword grabbing dynamic

[warm cedar]

It makes the bone grabbable

[restive tapir]

Wait thats right desktop cant interact at the moment!

[warm cedar]

Well they can

if you but your contacts on their colliders XD

[wicked gull]

Does anyone know if Ik 2.0 beta works with a Kinect

[charred nebula]

That would probably be a question for the #ik-2 channel

[wicked gull]

Ah ok

[warm cedar]

I'm doing it today, I'm finalising my avatar for the beta

just gotta setup the constraint animations properly this time

@torpid reef The power of physbones

Fucking hell I can't get the picture out of my head, what stretch value did you have?

[torpid reef]

5 lol

[warm cedar]

Boob stretch go brrr

[torpid reef]

for the luls

I think Ive managed to sync my crossbow now

Only issue I have is that I need to make the particles behave like they should

[warm cedar]

Using Unity's particle system

[torpid reef]

actually I would make them missbehave

[left plaza]

I hope they add a setting to where you and other people can play with the bones but when it comes to placement you can turn it off, so its like regluar pc dynamics but for quest-

[scenic phoenix]

Well they did state you have to give others permission to mess with them

So long as the hand symbols aren’t shaking hands then they can’t mess with your bones I believe

[wraith island]

Alright, time to delete that open beta again

[warm cedar]

I've seen much worse

[timber jewel]

muuuuch worese

[wraith island]

Avatar Dynamics was a mistake

[timber jewel]

I noticed that the End Length of a Dynamic Bone is ignored by the auto conversion which means the last bone in a chain is always missing if it was was used.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-end-length-of-dynamic-bones-is-ignored-by-auto-conversion

[spring salmon]

When I test my avatar in vrchat my tail bones are like flying around when I move? Does anyone know how to fix that?

[sweet dragon]

i have similar thing and i think i need to play around with values in physic bones script...

[spring salmon]

Ooh 💔

[indigo lodge]

does anyone know of any avatar maps that have already switched

[sweet dragon]

well at least i will learn a few things (for problem is my tail when i grab it, it go throo my side hip. I can meaby prevent it by add colider on butt bones)

[spring salmon]

Idek how to add colliders yet 💀

[timber jewel]

you could also just change the max angle

[sweet dragon]

true

[small surge]

Angle and curve is extremly handy

[sweet dragon]

i just playing with this avatar when i have time (i am preaty leazy but this update will be a big thing especially for people with phantom touch 😉

[sweet dragon]

btw changing the maxx angle affect the whole chain or first bone?

[timber jewel]

the whole chain

as you can see here

the blue cone there is the max angle

[sweet dragon]

ok

[pliant hornet]

Yes sir

[coarse stag]

Update the Av3Emualtor to version 2.9.7 if you want to test PhysBone or ContactReceiver in the editor.

https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases
It should fix those errors.

[timber jewel]

Nice

[proud vault]

I'm still curious why they went with damped frequency/inverse of damping for the "spring" term instead of damping. did they want to avoid the case of 0 damping

[lime yarrow]

Am I missing something? I've seen people grabbing phys bones with the emulator but I can't figure out how..

[small surge]

Your camera must have the tag MainCamera and be in game window

[lime yarrow]

ah

okay

Yeah it was missing the tag

thanks!

[small surge]

default cam has it, custom ones are untagged

[lime yarrow]

I deleted the default camera a long time ago

oops

haha

thank you

[small surge]

same as i have a template

[coarse stag]

oh I could make the emulator make a warning about it, or pick the first one (or last one as may be, whichever Unity decides to show in the Game View) and apply that tag to it while entering play moed

kind of patch around that limitation

[warm cedar]

I am leaving the not very poor region, I am not smart enough to optimise my items lol

[timber jewel]

I have to many polygons, so there is no way for me to leave it xD

[silver ledge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/performance-rank-adjustments-to-better-reflect-actual-performance then this one might be for you. not necessarily a beta thing in this case though.

[muted bloom]

Extending the max polygon count isn’t going to do anything. Everyone will just go up to the new limit, making everything more laggy, not less

Letting people use more polygons doesn’t encourage them to use less polygons.

[silver ledge]

it would already help, if there would be less blendshaped polys, and thats basically what the canny is about.

and the suggestion in there to raise to poly limit for non blendshaped tris, while keeping blendshaped one at a defined limit (whatever that might be), would lead people which are at 70.001 tris to not be like "oh im very poor now anyway, so i dont need to look out for the other performance stats"

[muted bloom]

I feel like there is a terminology gap here could you describe what a blend shaped Poly is to you?

[silver ledge]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-optimizing-tips#-except-when-youre-using-shapekeys

[near grove]

anyone got the code for ik beta? says its invalid for me

[muted bloom]

If they are aware of this then there is no unity way to get that information

[silver ledge]

there should be no code

[near grove]

huh?

weird

[proud vault]

Your example on the canny is not a good test, the test assumes the good quality model's materials are less resource intensive but doesn't show it. You showed that given two different configurations one can have lower poly and be potentially harder on the GPU. However they are not the same model. a better test is taking the good model and separating the head and poly, then subdividing the body. This way the comparison is strictly the variable you are talking about and isn't effected by materials or other parameters.

[muted bloom]

betas that require codes have codes for a reason so no one is going to tell you them.

The IK beta is not closed. You don’t need any code.

[silver ledge]

yeah i sadly know that, but i do the separation thing for 1 1/2 years now xD so finding an avatar where i still have a single mesh was kinda difficult xD

but i remember when i optimized avatars with around 300k tris and doing said separations, that gpu usage from the avatar dropped by 30%

[muted bloom]

What I’m saying is they can’t make preferences rank for any sort of data that they can’t grab from a mesh via C#

[proud vault]

you could also do the reverse and merge the head for a model you have to show the single mesh version, and then subdivide the other for the higher poly case.

[muted bloom]

And how many polygons on a mesh are moved by at least one blendshape is not the type of data you can get, at least, I don’t think so

[silver ledge]

thry can grab it in his evaluation tool, thats why i brought that up in the first place xD

[muted bloom]

Interesting that the data is obtainable

[silver ledge]

my guess is, that he looks "has the mesh shape keys / blend shapes" yes or no

[muted bloom]

Is it even possible to have a shape key that doesn’t apply to the entire mesh? I know vertex groups can do it (their weights show as black instead of blue)

[proud vault]

in unity (and i think at the GPU level in most implementations) the shapekey is stored as a delta on every vertice of the submesh. So its not possible from what i read recently

[ivory horizon]

Is there a way to get the open beta on quest

[muted bloom]

It’s also not fair to say a mesh laggy just because it has the ability to use a blendshape; A mesh that has a blendshapes that are all currently set to zero is no more laggy in a mesh that has no blendshapes at all

[near grove]

i think my steam was just bugging

:skulk:

[proud vault]

yes read the #open-beta-info

if the instructions seem to make no sense when you are in the oculus app, scroll past "reviews and ratings"

[shrewd estuary]

@ivory horizon

[ivory horizon]

Thanks I got it

[silver ledge]

i just did that with the very poor model, decimated the torso and joined the meshes. 69k (1 mesh) vs 153k (2 mesh) and the graphics utilisation difference between them is within testing inaccuracy

anyway, i dont wanna spam the beta channel any more than i have already with this, i will just write the results into the canny

[timber jewel]

you have to think that there are more then just one person in a room

if you have 20 people in a world all with 69k poly Avatars you are using 1'380'000 million polygons with 20 people and 153k Avatars you would be using 3'060'000 polygons

which is quiet a lot more

[quaint geode]

the shapekey GPU cost seems to scale based on the amount of polies in the mesh... and how complex the shapekey is (though I've heard conflicting reports on how much this last part matters)

[muted bloom]

The important bit is we shouldn’t have people splitting the mesh when it doesn’t make a difference if the blendshape isn’t on

If they split the mesh and keep the blendshape off you’re actually rewarding worse optimization

[quaint geode]

no no, the problem is with VRChat, if you're using blendshapes for speaking

[near grove]

tried the 2.0 ik and only 5 trackers work

[quaint geode]

the sil blendshape is always on after you speak once

[near grove]

even tho its ment too support 10 point?

the others just dont move yet are under my right foot

[muted bloom]

[proud vault]

Best to ask in #ik-2

[timber jewel]

thats first of all for #ik-2 and also how it should be

[near grove]

oop

💀

[flat patrol]

End offset conversion will be fix. Shortly

[timber jewel]

hopefully

[timber jewel]

and how do you know?

[quaint geode]

I guess to be more accurate, the sil blendshape is always on after speaking once, whenever you're not talking xD

but then you either have sil blendshape on or other speaking blendshapes active

[flat patrol]

Was something I report in close beta

Since it affect a lot of my avatar.

[timber jewel]

oh okay, interesting that it wasn't mention in the know bugs section

[flat patrol]

Some fall in crack

[timber jewel]

probably

would have saved me a lot of time that I spend writing my canny for it xD

[flat patrol]

Better more report then not enough

[timber jewel]

true

[muted bloom]

Well there’s no fixing that and staying excellent rated so I’m not fixing it

It would make me not eligible for quest fall back on most of my stuff as well

[quaint geode]

yeah I know exactly what you mean, I had to cross that bridge on a few avatars as well

at least we can have PhyBones on Excellent rating avatars on PC now (on the beta) xD

[muted bloom]

Yep I’ve been avoiding dynamic bones this whole time so I finally get to play with it and I see what all the fuss is about

[worn roost]

Half my avatars are medium just because of bone count so the phys bones ranking changes won't help 😔

[quaint geode]

on PC, I pretty much targeted Excellent if it's under 32k polies and doesn't have long hair, otherwise I'd just target Good for DynBones

Quest optimization varied from Excellent to Medium, depending on how bad it looks when decimated

[violet iron]

So phys bones are exactly how much better in terms of performance than dynamic?

[worn roost]

10x iirc

[quaint geode]

Quest Medium has the advantage of two skinned meshes, so you can split mesh for shapekeys

[pure patio]

droppin this question here incase anyone knows the answer, is there possibly a way to run the ik beta and the phys bones beta at the same time? .w.
if not, it's cool

[silver ledge]

not currently

[timber jewel]

12 - 20 times

[muted bloom]

Medium bones? How? Where is the cut off for that again

[timber jewel]

(according to the Blog post from December)

[worn roost]

75-150-256-400

[muted bloom]

…How XD

[worn roost]

Base humanoid is like 60ish iirc, so that only gives 90 or so bones for extra stuff

[muted bloom]

Are all of those actually articulated

[worn roost]

Yeah most of them are stuff like having snakes/spiders crawl around the body or having extra appendages like spider legs

[violet iron]

Damn thats pretty significant and then there is the whole intractive aspect of walking up to someone and touching there bones without a plugin or client

I didn't realize how cool this was before

[drifting nacelle]

https://youtu.be/pgYxbwbMxlI

[worn roost]

The big difference was actual multi core usage and using the unity job system. Dynamic bones added multi core support but it wasnt built with it in mind so it's medicore

[violet iron]

Gotta get me a PC and figure out how to male avis

[muted bloom]

I’ve heard 12 to 20 was the absolute worst case scenario improvement

And that it’s actually much much better on average

That’s of course assuming you actually have the auto converter running and that there is not any dynamic bones still in the scene

[dim cloak]

Man I wish the proximity receivers could use the data of where it is being entered from, even if it was on a simple x,y,z plane and not the angle itself. That way I could use a capsule for my hammer and have it trigger between the two blendshapes on either side depending on which side is being entered on the capsule.

[violet iron]

It'd be good to workout my mind and create something people with enjoy when I'm not at work or too sore to exercise.

[muted bloom]

Use lots of tiny ones?

[drifting nacelle]

now thats a brill idea xD

[dim cloak]

I'm using two, one for each side. But I wish we could just use one in total (less performance impact) and use the entry point data instead.

I.e. if it enters from positive 1 on the Z axis it affects blendshape A, but if it comes from -1 on the Z axis it plays blendshape B

instead I need two receivers

[violet iron]

This idiot wants to ask a dumb question, what's the "blendshape" exactly?

[quaint geode]

to keep it simple: blendshapes/shapekeys are usually what most avatar use for talking/facial expressions, it moves verticies/polygons around on the mesh, to explain it simply*

[violet iron]

Ah, oke neat

[dim cloak]

I made blendshapes for my hammer on both sides of it getting "squished" for when it impacts someone. It's essentially deforming the mesh in blender by using sliding bar can control it from 0 to 100.

[quaint geode]

a very simple example would be blush is kept inside the head when disabled, and when enabled it moves the blush to infront of the face to turn it on

[dim cloak]

This

[violet iron]

I get more excited to get into making avatars by the day, especially with you amazing people explaining things so well

[drifting nacelle]

can i hav hammer? :p

[violet iron]

Stop! Hammer time

[dim cloak]

😂 I'm thinking I'm going to make a package of toys and such that are setup and can be drug and dropped onto people's avis and sell it for cheap on gumroad or booth.

Kind of just working on making a bunch of fun little toys at the moment

[violet iron]

Whoa, lightbulb moment

[drifting nacelle]

dm me if you do, ill buy 🙂

[dim cloak]

will do 😄

[violet iron]

What about like a throwable member sponge?

Menger*

[dim cloak]

I mean that is something that could be created xD

idk what it is

but it looks like it could be made lol

[violet iron]

I so wanna figure that out!

"Here have math!" Yeet

[dim cloak]

haha

[violet iron]

Its if I remember right something to do with fractals like a sorta golden ratio

I think they look really neat tho

[fluid peak]

anyone know what would be a good way to do synced toggles using the contact receivers ?

[lime yarrow]

Have a two state layer that checks for if the float is greater than .5, then transitions to a state that has a parameter driver that sets the synced bool.

[violet iron]

Wtf, that sounds awesome!

Sorry for the ping

[fluid peak]

so no way to get around using more memory

[lime yarrow]

it's only a single bit though

the float doesn't have to be synced, in fact it's better if it isn't

[dim cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQRXfH_GZE

[fluid peak]

well from what i have seen the float gets synced anyway, or maybe i understood that tooltip wrong

[dim cloak]

I explain how that works in the video, but they do not. Not in the same way an actual networked parameter does.

[fluid peak]

aight, gonna watch it

[dim cloak]

^.^ if you still need help after that then just ask and I'd be glad to clarify stuff

But I do explain exactly that in the video

[brave forge]

Do you think there is a way that gravity on an object that has physbone stick to the floor collider(and have it so that the object that has gravity doesn't move from its position if the player moves from it? (Yes I understand the floor collider would need to be a little decent size, but just seeing if you can see if that's possible. (Not at my computer right now so if you are able to look into and get back to me and let me know. (If it's possible chairs might be possible to keep it still without the lock position constraints and just use gravity on an physbone object and a floor collider.

[dim cloak]

I won't lie doing this is a bit above my knowledge with physbones at the moment, but a friend of mine is working with some other creators at the moment on some cool things (similar to this) involving something like this. I can't give out much detail on it at all right now since it's in the works, but people are messing with things like this at the moment.

[restive tapir]

Im thinking about a throweable pickup using the dynamics and the spring joint any ideas if that would work?

[dim cloak]

I am positive that it is doable, but exactly how you do it I would not be able to make at the moment. Would require a lot of experimenting.

[restive tapir]

Yeah my guess its that its doable by a mix of spring joints, the dynamics and a world constrain
I wish we could send the interaction signal through particles maybe that can help too

[fluid peak]

hmmm, are posed physics bones synced for late joiners?

[dim cloak]

I think you're on the right track

[fluid peak]

if so, im smelling the ability to make some pretty neat sliders

[dim cloak]

I believe if you put the parameters that are created at runtime for them in your synced parameter list then they would be, yes.

You would need EarR_Stretch and EarR_Angle in the expressions parameter list for them to be synced.

[fluid peak]

darn, only have enough memory left for 1 float and 2 bools

[iron solstice]

Hey is there a way my friend can switch to the open beta on quest without using a phone?

[muted bloom]

Don’t you need a phone to have a quest set up in the first place

[wide bane]

How do I get the open beta on quest

[muted bloom]

#open-beta-info

[iron solstice]

Yea but its set up with her parents phone bc its her bothers headset.

[muted bloom]

not old enough to use VRChat then

Have them get the owner of the headset to do it

[modest ivy]

you can use the website

[iron solstice]

She is old enough for vrchat but her brother isn't XD

I'll see if she can get her parents phone

[torpid reef]

What layers were you using for your stuff?

I am adding 2 receivers, one which has a block sound and one which has a hit sound

[brave forge]

I'll give it a try as well. (I also got plans on doing things, but I might test it out since I'm back at my laptop now.

[warm cedar]

wait wut

whatre you tryin to doi

[torpid reef]

So I have 1 receiver which detects if I hit someones head and one which detects blocking

I am just wondering what layer you were using for your sword

or hammer lol

[warm cedar]

layer?

[torpid reef]

shield etc

yeah

[warm cedar]

My friend lemme show you

[torpid reef]

you dont have a sender on your shield?

[warm cedar]

I don't no, that is an issue

I have a receiver with a lot of names on it

[torpid reef]

..thats alot

[dim cloak]

Best of luck haha

[warm cedar]

Be as dynamic as you can be

avatar dynamics

Look if you want me to I can easily just make this a prefab if necessary

[dim cloak]

You should put a sender on your shield with the tag "Shield"

[warm cedar]

Did that already

I knew something was off from the beginning lol

[torpid reef]

Ill make sure I will add the sword tag on my weapons

3 contacts total lol

[warm cedar]

You're actually very fucking lucky I responded

[torpid reef]

1 sender 2 receivers

[warm cedar]

I am playing Will You snaill rn and I am not willing to stop playing

[torpid reef]

lol alright

Nice of you to reply then!

[warm cedar]

For a friend who helped me test my avatar? anytime lol

Boom, happy now wulf

[dim cloak]

☝️

😛

[coarse widget]

could we get some input on the PhysBones vs Dynamic Bone limits on the performance system? Why are e.g. Transforms max amount for poor the same and collission check only double if the system is 10-20x more performant? As in, why is that performance increase not represented in the Performance Ranking?

[dim cloak]

Because we don't want a bunch of inexperienced people thinking they should just fill the limitations to the brim because it performs better. Just because it performs better DOES NOT mean throw more bones on your avatar just cause

I want the game to run better, not the same because 10 egirls decided that 500 transforms isn't enough now that the game runs better so they make it 1000 instead.

[mental marsh]

E

[coarse widget]

i guess the term "Performance Rating" is a bit farfetched then 😅

[dim cloak]

I think that Physbones is the least of our concerns on our avatar performance ratings. Most everyone's avatar is going to fall within reasonable standards and our games will run better if things stay exactly how they are. If people see higher limits then they are going to think "it is okay for physbones to go brr now" and toss more on.

If we want to talk about performance ratings making no sense, then the audio source limits affecting how they do and particles as well are completely and utterly a failure at representing someone's avatar performance. I will forever be "Very Poor" because my particles will always be at 10,000 on my avatar because I use the particle pen. But that will not cause people to lag if I use it like a normal pen because only a couple hundred, to maybe a couple thousand particles would be on screen at a time.

Am I complaining about this? No, I could care less about the performance rating system itself because it's so poorly put together. If I want to know how bad someone's avatar is, I look at the stats and see what they have on it and determine if it's actually a very poor avatar or not for myself.

[short jasper]

Reduce the max particles on the pen to a more reasonable amount perhaps

But yeah the performance rating system isn't 100% perfect and cannot account for cases such as that

[dim cloak]

I've used up to 8k and such before when drawing large things for fun, so I'm planning on leaving the limit where it is because i'm indifferent to people having my avatar hidden. I mostly interact with friends of friends and we show eachothers' avatars anyways.

[harsh grove]

having an issue here. I've converted dynamic bones to physbones, and it seems to work in the editor, but not in VRC. any ideas? I'm stumped

[dim cloak]

You could with a "Total Avatar Performance Rating" and an "Active Avatar Performance Rating". Just because you have 40 materials on your avatar doesn't make you unoptimized unless you have ALL 40 on at the same time.

[molten cobalt]

I suppose if you have a decent fallback Avatar it's not a big deal if most random strangers see the fall back

[short jasper]

For example one of my avatars has about 7 meshes but it only ever has 2 or 3 active at once. VRChat acts as if the avatar has all 7 meshes at once and labels my avatar as medium.

[dim cloak]

Exactly my point.

Which is why I disregard the performance rating system entirely for my own personal perspective on peoples' avatars.

[molten cobalt]

from what I recall the runtime cost do I actually have a what are you actually using at the moment rank was a bit too much for vrchat taste

[sullen vigil]

this made me realize. are they case sensitive?..

[lucid fossil]

Im on oculus and i cant get out of beta

[dim cloak]

Yes

[sullen vigil]

😅 shit

[warm cedar]

100%

[sullen vigil]

guess i'm gonna have to rename all my triggers.

[dim cloak]

I capitalize all of mine haha

[modest ivy]

reinstall

[lucid fossil]

Ok

[light flare]

So i know how to get back to normal for it

Leave vrchat
Go on that link that they gave
Change back to live
Uninstall vrchat
And restart your headset

If that doesn't work I tired to help ya

[muted bloom]

Because the goal here is to make the game more optimized. Not give us increased limits so that the game is just as laggy as it was in the first place.

If the physics bones are 11 times more optimized but we increase the limit by 11x, we really didn’t improve performance at all, did we?

[warm cedar]

Is there no limit for contacts?

[muted bloom]

There’s no real performance cost for contacts

[warm cedar]

Now that, is sexy

a very special kind of sexy

[dim cloak]

Is this actually true? Like has anyone tested how much they impact performance?

[muted bloom]

My assumption is it’s negligible, but no I have not done any test

[dim cloak]

Ah I see

[muted bloom]

They put it on quest without any sort of hard limit, I would assume it’s not intensive

[dim cloak]

they do have "limits" on quest

i just don't know how strict they are

[timber jewel]

I mean contacts basically don't do anything else then to test how close something is, they should basically effect performance by 0%

[dim cloak]

and once again how irrelevant the whole performance ranking system is on VRC as it is, I don't know if this matters as it is.

[warm cedar]

Okay let's do some calculations for how much this ruins the fun for fully functional avatars

16 max, for about 2 receiver per items, you'd theoretically have a max of either 4 items with full interactabilty, or sacrifice some items for stuff like boops and headpats

[muted bloom]

Whoops!

[warm cedar]

if you wanted to strive for the upper class of quest compatibility, but that can lick my ass, not giving up contacts for a rigged system

[muted bloom]

Avatars also have a ton of default contact senders that are discounted, so you really will only need the receivers

You can edit and re-position the contacts on your descriptor and they don’t count towards your total

[warm cedar]

But then what's the point of calling it avatar dynamics when most things can't become dynamic

[muted bloom]

Think of it as more of a taste test for the full version of vrchat on pc

[dim cloak]

To be fair, avatar dynamics, to an extent, is way less cool on quest as it is because they don't get to hear sounds or see hardly any particles at all...

[molten cobalt]

still impressed they got it like running on the quest at all Avatar Dynamics

[inner kayak]

While they are small ideas and probably would't be used by many, I believe they still would be very useful and cool toys to play with if added.
[1181] Add ability to grab multiple points on a single PhysBone chain in a certain radius.
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-add-ability-to-grab-multiple-points-on-a-single-physbone-chain-in-a-certain

[1181] Add component to grab PhysBones in a certain radius.
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-add-component-to-grab-physbones-in-a-certain-radius

[mental marsh]

If a quiz is quizzical then what is a test?

[oak lance]

?

[brave forge]

Yep buzz kill when you don't get to hear the slaps from other players T_T

[oak lance]

Is it gonna give up bones?

[molten cobalt]

basically the mobile-phone processor in the quest doesn't have enough CPU to handle both all of the Avatar voices and sound effects for avatars

[wheat fjord]

Is there any way to test physbone collisons in unity?

I entered a bone into the colliders list and it does not work in play mode

[inner kayak]

what

[inner kayak]

[1181] Enable Desktop players to pose PhysBones.
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-enable-desktop-players-to-pose-physbones

[oak lance]

I logged in the website link

[near grove]

what does the parameter need to be defined as on the conditions for the animator, an int?

[timber jewel]

for what? Contacts?

[near grove]

yeah

[timber jewel]

they have to be floats

[near grove]

ah

probably why my stuff isnt working then lol

[timber jewel]

probably xD

[warm cedar]

Alright, will you snail is done

time to fix my animation machine

[lapis urchin]

are custom collision tags for contact receiver case sensitive?

[dim cloak]

Yes

[lapis urchin]

alright, time to add a bunch of different versions of "sword" to account for how it might be done by other people

[dim cloak]

Nah the community should just establish the precedent that all of our tags are capitalized.

Which mostly everyone is doing at the moment anyway

[lapis urchin]

yeah, but since its new there will be outliers

[dim cloak]

😂 When their stuff doesn't work, tell them to fix it so they'll understand standard procedure.

[lapis urchin]

its easier to make mine more compatible right now then stopping some funny thing happening in the future to tell someone to do something they probably wont do

[dim cloak]

Eh just encourages people to not set things up in a universal manner then

[muted bloom]

The whole sword thing is a bit complicated because I don’t think senders detect other senders, So does a sword need both a sender and a receiver?

[lapis urchin]

yes

[dim cloak]

Well your sword is naturally going to have a receiver on it already if you're doing your own animation stuff with it. But you would need to add a "Sword" sender on it for it to interact with other peoples' stuff to if their receivers have "Sword" in them.

[jagged tapir]

@torpid reef I like your avatar

[lapis urchin]

hence why I'm asking about case sensitivity, because the sender would then need to be labeled "Sword" like that merely to interact with my receiver

[jagged tapir]

convert tycho to a warrior xD

[light socket]

just had the realization that my thing that I put a bunch of effort into to use minimal contacts for (for quest) won't actually work on quest because it also needs constraints. Ah well.

[near grove]

so when i interact with the contact (constant) it doesnt revert back after I stop making contact with the contact

for reference im having a certain contact point make a face when touched and then revert back when its not touched

[torpid reef]

Thanks xD

Got some sounds on my avatar now

And the weapons system should work

[light socket]

that might be a mistake in your animator controller, you can make a contact sender in the editor and check the state of the receiver to make sure that the reciever is behaving as you expect it to before uploading

[torpid reef]

Also I can say that vrchat needs to make some kind of audio manager for avatars so we dont need so many audio sources

[dim cloak]

yes please

[near grove]

heres my transition into and out of

[warm cedar]

Hey we have the same parameter name "bonk"

[near grove]

mine is to do this

using the new contact system to assign this to a toggleable head contact instead of having it take up a CGE slot

[warm cedar]

Mine is to show that my hammer has hit something

If it worked. that is.

Because it is not doing that At all.

Well once, but we don't talk about the 1 bonk

[dim cloak]

I want to add in more effects with my stuff, but I have so many floats as it is for moving objects around on my avatar and then also doing the interactive stuff too lol

[warm cedar]

Well time to get on vr for the last 40 minutes to aggresively abuse people

I mean test my items :)

[dim cloak]

i heard you like some floats so we gave you floats so you could float with your floats.

[warm cedar]

"We all float down there" - Unity's particle system

[dim cloak]

LOL

[near grove]

im thinking maybe its not exiting to the right state to reset

but i cant figure out where exactly the state should be going

so the parameter is going to zero but its not exitting the state it seems

[dim cloak]

The float parameters that the contacts control can be a bit wonky with exit time on animations sometimes.

[near grove]

so should i disable exit time?

[dim cloak]

Depends on what you're doing and how you have your layer set up lol

[spare spruce]

Does anyone know how to grab the physbones in the game view?

[dim cloak]

and whether or not you use write defaults or not.

[light socket]

need to be using a camera tagged as main camera

[spare spruce]

Did still didnt work

[near grove]

im trying to set it up on the CGE layer so my other faces dont trigger while im doing it

[dim cloak]

I don't know what a CGE layer is lol but if you're trying to make it so that a nose boop overrides your current facial expressions then you'll just want that layer below your expressions layer. Again, this is assuming you do not use write defaults.

[spare spruce]

It hasnt been working for me for awhile

[near grove]

im referring to this layer made from the CGE plugin

in the FX animator

[dim cloak]

Oh man.. Lol CGE, right. I used to use that, but it does some wonky stuff so I stopped.

Are you using write defaults..?

[umbral apex]

Are contacts guaranteed to behave the same locally and over the network?

[light socket]

i believe they're calculated on each client individually

[dim cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQRXfH_GZE

[umbral apex]

I see. I thought so. At least I already have an int for faces

[near grove]

how do i get physbones

[proud vault]

edit: #open-beta-announcements , SDK is linked there

[muted bloom]

Add component > Phys Bone

[violet iron]

Wtf is "float"?

[icy scaffold]

is physbones for pcvr for quest or for quest 2 totally?

[violet iron]

Yes?

[icy scaffold]

what i mean with quest 2 totally is that its not connected to the pc

[stable wagon]

how do you make grab work to trigger sound

[violet iron]

Yes

They do

Ik because I'm a questie and the beta works for me and I see physbones working

[molten cobalt]

yes you can use physics Bones on Quest not hooked up to a computer

[icy scaffold]

thx

[muted bloom]

A decimal number stored in 8 bits.

[woven ledge]

how do you get it on quest

[chrome parcel]

Does anyone have a functioning on enter trigger

[violet iron]

#open-beta-info will help

[muted bloom]

Yeah, just be sure to use a float and be checking for it every frame or you may miss the activation

[chrome parcel]

how do i check for it every franme

frame

because thats the issue i was having

i would miss it alot

[muted bloom]

If you use exit time the conditions will be checked once per animation Loop, if you have exit time unchecked, the conditions are checked every frame.

[chrome parcel]

so i switched to constant

[violet iron]

Whoa wait, you can make working sheaths with physbones?

[muted bloom]

Contacts, rather than phys bones, but yes

[violet iron]

Still dope

I will learn

[plush gazelle]

is there a way to leave the open beta? cuz my friends tried it and apparently can't get out of it

or something

[strong flower]

Me and a friend are trying to import the SDK into fresh projects... but it's saying it will not load Dynamics due to some kind of error...

Fresh, empty project... I don't see why this would happen

2019.4.31f1

[long shuttle]

um i still don’t understand how to get phys bones

[umbral apex]

The sdk is supposed to import those packages automatically, but you can do it manually. burst and mathematics

[wheat horizon]

Does someone know how reverse collider work and can explain me in what situation its useful

[umbral apex]

in the unity editor?

[strong flower]

Kk, I'm, trying that now

[modest sentinel]

so they stay inside the collider instead of trying to avoid it

[rugged vector]

Can someone help me figure out why after converting to physbones half of my bones don't move anymore. I've tried messing around with the settings on them, but they just stay completely still, all my hair bones and chest bones are stationary now

[strong flower]

Seems these are installed properly...

[umbral apex]

:/

[long shuttle]

im a questie and i really don’t know where that it is sorry

[manic wigeon]

I installed the new SDK to try out the Physbones, but for some reason when i try uploading my avatar, it gives me this error.

[stable wagon]

well, i got grab to work. funny thing. every part must have it own name and sound

[manic wigeon]

any idea whats up?

[stable wagon]

time go beta to test 😛

[strong flower]

Bump this question, my friend is having this same issue.

[faint vigil]

Yeah, Vox is talking but me I have the same issue, the exact same thing.

[proud bronze]

A lot of my dynamic bones had their rotation limit set to 0 degrees after being converted.

[long shuttle]

um how

[violet iron]

Please, go read #open-beta-info and follow what it says there and you should be set my guy 👍

[stable wagon]

it work

[near grove]

Is there any good parameters for a tail?

I'm trying to make it to where I can grab my tail lol

Won't let me grab it for some reason

I have grabbing enabled also

[tired harness]

i've been playing with that for a sec, these are my params for a rarher long tail

[rugged vector]

Yeah, I didn't notice that about my hair, that fixed that issue. Now the only things not wanting to move are the chest bones

[tired harness]

but atm im looking on how to trigger a parameter/face gesture by touching the face of my avatar (kinda like a boop)

[distant pulsar]

someone i know entered the beta last night and now when they join a world it puts them in an empty instance

anyone know how to fix this?

[tired harness]

open beta is not live compatible

[distant pulsar]

so how the fuck do you leave lmao

they dont let you leaeve

and dont let you play the game

nice!

[tired harness]

oh steam?

[distant pulsar]

nah

[tired harness]

on*

[distant pulsar]

they are on quest

[tired harness]

idk about how standalone quest betas work, but i think the article for it has how to move back and forth on betas

[plush gazelle]

my friends are having the same problem

[near grove]

Oh sweet haha, I'm trying to make my tail act like the robot fox example

For some reason it's really difficult to grab my tail from behind me

[muted bloom]

Facebook does not allow you to opt out of betas. Factory reset your headset and re-download the game. If you think this is annoying, complain to Facebook, it’s outside of VRChat’s control.

[tired harness]

hmm... odd

[gray grove]

thx facebook for being a great platform

[near grove]

These are my settings, maybe it could be a model issue?

[tired harness]

Amazing you have to go to such lenghts to test a festure.

[violet iron]

Oh shit what happens when the beta is over?

[gray grove]

TRUE what happen

[stable wagon]

@near grove unclear what problem you have

[muted bloom]

Works perfectly fine on Steam and you can opt in and out at will. How quest acts is Facebook’s job, and they did it poorly. VRChat has no control over quest OS.

[small surge]

either an update to live or postponed to fix bugs, expect several sdk's in open

[plucky hare]

Will this work on the quest one or no?

[proud vault]

If i understand what people have said before, its happening because the Beta is a "newer" version than live. so when the beta is released in theory the live will work

[near grove]

I'm having a really bad difficulty grabbing my tail haha

[small surge]

Had a bunch of quest users test mine they seem to work fine , floppy ears got poked several times

[near grove]

Other users can grab it but I'm unable to as easily

[stable wagon]

lol. you going need help to test that with other player. i have the same problem

[tired harness]

i know that, still kinda not cool of fb to throw away what vrchat is working for a open to test platform beta

[muted bloom]

You factory reset your headset and reinstall the game, same as when you decide you want to finally see other people in VR chat again.

[stable wagon]

with sdk. if you hit play and on cam 1. you should grab tail

[violet iron]

Fuckin rip

[muted bloom]

Unless you’re using Steam, then you just opt out of the beta because valve knows how to make software

[proud vault]

#open-beta-announcements yes

[plucky hare]

Well visual movement of all that does not work

[gray grove]

when do you think bet will be over?

beta*

[muted bloom]

No one has any clue if I’m going to randomly guess I’d say the beta will probably last a month

[distant pulsar]

isnt it on vrc to just update the beta version and fix it?

[small surge]

3~ weeks would be mine guess, always thought it would be least april

[near grove]

Oh whatttt, cam 1?

Like the main cam?

I'm a little confused haha my bad

[stable wagon]

yes. hit play and try grab tail from cam 1 veiw

[small surge]

play mode, go into game tab / poke avatar (long as camera is set to MainCamera tag)

[wild loom]

do i need to change unity versions for the beta sdk im having issues uploading for quest to test...

[small surge]

nope

[wild loom]

hmmm\

[muted bloom]

The beta version is for testing you can’t see any other players except other people who are testing, it’s not for previewing features early it’s really, really, just for people bug testing. Most of the people who opt in come back here 10 minutes later trying to figure out how to get back out.

[small surge]

I just duplicated my old projects and updated sdk

[tired harness]

hold on, how are y'all testing the physbones on unity?

[violet iron]

4days in and loving it

[muted bloom]

Play mode

[wild loom]

ye

[stable wagon]

you can test by hitting play in unity

[near grove]

Oh thank you guys, I figured it out haha

[tired harness]

ok just making sure

ty

[stable wagon]

your welcome

[near grove]

It's at the very base of my tail

[plucky hare]

Even the quest one?

[stable wagon]

ya, it hard to find but it there 🙂

for all you want know how to make sound from grab. i can make a fast video

[violet iron]

Couldn't they just make the beta the latest version when the time comes?

[hollow hatch]

Thats usually how it is

[wild loom]

i got no clue how im messing the upload up lol. would anyone be willing to help me out.?

[violet iron]

Just really don't wanna reset my oculus

[wild loom]

i have been in and out of beta no issue..

[violet iron]

Quest?

[distant pulsar]

well youd think they would make this clear somewhere? because it wasnt. also last night it was working fine for them, they were in my lobbies

[wild loom]

ye

[wheat horizon]

forgot to say, thanks

[near grove]

Oh shoot haha, I was actually wondering about that too

[tired harness]

it was on the official announcement for the beta "non live compatible"

[near grove]

Because I was thinking about doing a boop contact

[tired harness]

but some everyone do not read rhe docs

[distant pulsar]

well, the article which they blast all over the game did not have it.

[hollow hatch]

If you read #open-beta-info it is clear that unless otherwise noted, you can't play with live, and that it is for testing and feedback

[tired harness]

have you figured out how? Been looking on how to do that

[distant pulsar]

look at the giant big clicky button they put in your face explaining the beta, nowhere to be found on that article.

[violet iron]

I have a question

If i have a physbones avatar and switch back to live what would happen to the avatar?

[wild loom]

they stifffff

[violet iron]

But they stay in favorites and can still be used?

[near grove]

I have this video explaining the network synced contacts- so far I'm not entirely sure if it can be helpful haha

[wild loom]

the ones you can clone? ye

[violet iron]

Wdym?

[solemn nexus]

I uploaded an avatar with the new SDK
works fine on live, the new components are just disabled on live

[tired harness]

i think it should, i just want a blep every time i am booped lol

[violet iron]

OK dope

[wild loom]

yeah they stay but bone motion is not seen

[muted bloom]

It’s all detailed in #open-beta-announcements , which unless people skipped it, is the first thing you read.

[violet iron]

Proly gonna switch back tonight then

[stable wagon]

grab with sound video

[distant pulsar]

this is once again, in the discord, where not everyone who plays is (especially quest users). im talking about the GIANT IN YOUR FACE in game button everytime you open your menu that takes you to the article explaining the beta and how to get it. Nowhere to be found on that page.

its just stupid in my opinion to not include that there, but yes they would have never gotten the beta if they were in the discord and read it here, they found out about the beta through the official article where that was nowhere to be found

fuck facebook for not giving opt out options though, blame is mostly on them

[muted bloom]

Just factory reset your headset and reinstall the game

[near grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQRXfH_GZE

Here's the video haha

[tired harness]

interesting video, tho i do have a few questions

Do you need to add parameters to the avatar's playable layers ? What are the parameter names for the bone and fx? the video is kinda hard to see

[muted bloom]

Although I do think it is a good recommendation that they stop promoting the beta to quest users since they are aware opting out is difficult

And based on the messages here plenty of people are opting in not even knowing what they are getting into or that they can’t see anyone lol

[stable wagon]

for the bone. you just want (name) and for the FX you want (name)_IsGrabbed to make it work

[tired harness]

:o! Thank you so much, im gonna test that out

[stable wagon]

your welcome 🙂

[stone rapids]

Is there a way to test grabbing physbones in unity? I want to test pulling a tail and that’s not easy to do in VR haha.

[tired harness]

x2 just was shy of asking a lot

[wild loom]

i didnt have to factory reset at all just uninstall and reinstall vrc live.

[tired harness]

also wondering how to have a bone or collider for the boop too

[sour epoch]

yes, you can grab bones in play mode in the game view. You'll need to move the camera around to get a good view

[tired harness]

I don't seem to be able to grab em at all

[small surge]

custom camera? it must have the tag "MainCamera"

[drifting nacelle]

https://youtu.be/pgYxbwbMxlI

[tired harness]

fixed it, however it wont let me move my taik

[stone rapids]

Can someone help me understand this a little, the documentation doesnt seem much help.

I want it where when the tail is pulled the face gets angry. I already have a parameter setup and all and testing it with an expressions menu toggle proves all is well

Help me understand how I then get it to say to toggle that bool to enable the angry face when grabbed.

[drifting nacelle]

so your grabbing the tai yes? when you "grab" i asum thats "fist" which inturn triggers facial espression

[gusty forge]

if you wanted to you could use a parameter on the phybone and use the '[parameter name]_Stretch' and check if its above a threshold then do the angry face animation

[dreamy light]

Hi there 🙂
I'm trying to edit an avatar to add PhysBones, triggers and colliders to it , and i can't get it to work yet.
But the main issue i'm having is the lack of the "Avatar Overlay" option in the Config quick menu to show the colliders and triggers in game.
Is it available ? 🤔 Maybe i have to enable something ?

[lusty pewter]

is there any beta avatar worlds?

[tough abyss]

I actually did this when the beta first came out and was oddly enough in a lobby with Hai when I was testing it out with people although I didn't really interact with them. It was super shakey at first but I messed around with it and now i think its pretty decent to use. Only required two sets of bones though rather than 3 and I just posted a video on it in the showcase channel.

[drifting nacelle]

yes, tester world

[stone rapids]

See, that’s where I’m lost. I feel like I have everything setup correctly. I have a parameter called “tailPull_isGrabbed” and when it is true then it makes the face angry. I have confirmed this works by making an expressions menu toggle. When I define that parameter in the PhysBone and it generates “tailPull_IsGrabbed” and I have a parameter for “tailPull_IsGrabbed” that says to make the angry face when set to 1. In the Unity window, I pull the tail, inspector shows that “tailPull_isGrabbed” is now 1 and not 0, but nothing happens.

[small surge]

bool parameter tail > auto becomes tail_IsGrabbed / _Angle _Stretch

first is bool , rest floats

[gusty forge]

It should just be under the action menu (The radial menu) under settings, config or so if it's not there then double check you are on beta as it's def there for me with no additional requirements

[spark island]

What could be causing this? My physics bone ears are flapping & flailing around everywhere, even with no head collider present.

[stone rapids]

See, I don’t see anything yours is doing that mine isn’t.

[solemn nexus]

does that happen even if the collide with undefined colliders is unchecked?
it really does look like a collision glitch, so thats baffling if not

[gentle horizon]

How do you get phys bones on quest

[shrewd estuary]

almost beta update time?

[small surge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-grabbing-is-animated-physics-bones-stutters-doesnt-actually-move *fixed in a upcomming build

if you animate something and try to drag it or use a gesture that move it spazzes oddly (IsAnimated)

[woven ledge]

how do i get off beta LMFAO

Im stuck on it

i’ve tried you back to the live but it doesn’t work

[slow raptor]

im stuck in beta help

[woven ledge]

same

[stiff acorn]

If you are on Quest, you have to factory reset it to get out of beta... Blame Meta's terrible software.

[worn crater]

Is my spidey-sense a tingling? I feel a new Open Beta patch is inbound 👀

[stiff acorn]

If you are on Steam, just select the "none" option to get out.

[woven ledge]

CRYING

what if i log into steam with my vrchat acc, will i still have to factory reset my oculus?

[stiff acorn]

You only have to reset it if you are running the game on the Quest itself instead of on a PC running SteamVR.

[dreamy light]

Wrong beta client x) Thx 😊

[gusty forge]

You're welcome ^.^

[dreamy light]

can't you use SideQuest to uninstall the beta client and install the normal client back ??

[cloud mango]

im on quest how do you open beta?

[restive flume]

Yeah I've been trying to figure out how to get it, I can look at all the patch notes but I can't find the link to open up the open beta and I checked the Oculus store and I can't find it

[cloud mango]

crap!

[dreamy light]

Failed to save blueprints when publishing my avatar 😦
Anyone know why ?
I juste updated the dynamic bones to physBones and added a few colliders

I'm using Unity 2019.4.31f1

[shrewd estuary]

you just have to uninstall and reinstall a couple of times

[near grove]

Anyone see any new avatar worlds with physbones for quest ?

[stiff acorn]

I don't have a Quest, I'm just repeating what I've heard here.

[near grove]

question how do i get a code for the ikbeta?

[mortal plume]

you don't need a code

you just switch to the beta channel in steam

[near grove]

ok thanks

[stable wagon]

i have one but it not for other to use.

[mental marsh]

Anyone have a estimate of when the full release is?

[near grove]

So helpful thank you

[amber prairie]

I'd say a few weeks at least

[stable wagon]

your welcome

[dim cloak]

@light socket Really interested in the attaching system you're working on and was wondering if you'd mind if I added ya and asked ya about it in a bit.

[light socket]

go ahead!

[dim cloak]

I'm going to eat and finish up some other things that i need to fix and i'll be sure to shoot a message your way once i finish up!

[wild loom]

no matter what i do i just get this.

😑

[vivid hatch]

make sure the main camera has the tag MainCamera

[wild loom]

im going to loose it if that has been it the whole time lmao

[lusty marsh]

am i dumb? how on earth do i exit beta lol

[strange spoke]

are you trying to upload that avatar?

i'm confused what the problem is

if you're trying to upload it make sure you're viewing the "game" tab next to the "scene" tab you're currently viewing

[wild loom]

yes everytime i go to upload it throws that error at me