3d-modeling

[steady frigate]

blender 101, right here

it's still a long way till you'll be able to model this though

it's a lot of work, and it's still a lot of work for experts

[glad bronze]

Honestly if you are completely new, this is nearly impossible unless someone walks you through the entire process at every button press. I would recommend following blender guru's beginner tutorial and then a dedicated avatar tutorial. At the very least learn the basic controls for modeling first. It is a huge time commitment and unless you wanna commission someone or do vroid or something else along those lines it's going to take probably weeks of consistent work.

[steady frigate]

what Mech said

[glad bronze]

What defgecd said too

[steady frigate]

aye

[karmic reef]

Ok thank you guys

But I’m not sure who to commission 😅

[steady frigate]

you can look at others' works

[glad bronze]

There are a lot of ways to find artists, you can go around social media looking for artist, there are discord servers for it, websites, etc.

I would also note, that image alone will not work for most 3d modelers. They need a character sheet, with a front and side view. It just makes modeling 1000 times easier and it is their job to turn a concept into a 3d model not to concept the art itself. So unless you have a character sheet ready, you would also need to pay a 2d artist to concept and draw a character sheet for you.

[devout orchid]

show or see transparency?

ah whatever. Transparency:

Replace texture with alpha

[lapis pond]

thanks so much! @devout orchid

[jovial seal]

i remade my pc from IRL in blender and shoved it into my VRC world any modellin tips lol

[steady frigate]

The image is quite low in resolution, I can't make out a whole lot. Can you view it in Blender?
that being said, from this image it looks alright to me

[wheat fog]

Hello when i load my avatar in unity it doesn’t load the texture

[valid needle]

just assign the texture to the avatar material

[wheat fog]

but how ?

[valid needle]

Create new material, apply texture file to material, drag and drop material on avatar

[dense shuttle]

all my homies hate retopology... god its so much work to optimize a simple sculpt

[silk sage]

I used autodesk Maya for the modelling, when exporting the model and importing it into unity. Unity decide if I try to turn on a blend shape the mesh decides to go all weird, like the normal's are breaking or something. Any one know what this is or how to fix it?

[misty compass]

is there a way I can make a custom collider

[harsh saddle]

You can give an object a mesh collider. If you want a collider that isn't a primitive or the object with the collider on it for some reason, you can assign another mesh inside of the mesh collider.

[proven blaze]

Would anyone know where I can find someone I can commission to make a Chibi Bishaun Frise puppy 3D model or a Chibi spider 3D model?

[harsh saddle]

Google VRC Traders and check out their Discord. I wouldn't be surprised if you had 10 DMs in your inbox by now but there is no verification process here so there are a lot of scams.

I can't guarantee there will be no scams over there but at least they have a verification process for creators.

[proven blaze]

Thank you 💜

[spice pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742808129636401336/1111477901355917343/Muni_dance_V2.mp4

[tranquil sierra]

There a way to apply a key shape to a model permanently?

[lofty river]

Anyone know how to fix this wonky arm?, It's fine in blender but once exported it just gets messes up.

[quaint jasper]

Cats addon has an "apply shapekey as basis option

[quaint jasper]

Make sure to clear the bone rolls before exporting

[spiral sigil]

If I would want plant leaves to have a variable droop depending on their orientation relative to the floor, would it be more optimized and proper to do it with a custom shader or like animation tree thing

and I would imagine doing it with physbones would be an absolute catastrophe for performance when it comes to plants

[steady frigate]

help me with what?

[trail python]

tfw scam bot

[steady frigate]

oh yeah

[flint patrol]

First ever human 3d model of one of my ocs!

Really proud of it

[plush flint]

so im having trouble with this so i put cats blender plug in in blend it shows an error them it show in the blender how do i fix this glitch from happening

and each time i open blend cats blend is not on the list and i have to click on the plug in just to re add it

[trail python]

use the dev version of cats

https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip

[plush flint]

k thanks

okay so i export the model from blender it has expression and lip synic but when i put it in blender its not on the model.

why does it happen

no blendshapes on unity but in blener it has blend shapes

i didnt make this model im just adding the outline to it

nevermind i got it to work

[arctic obsidian]

Night furyyyy

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/anthro-night-fury-039dd4bb19934d59a9d838c82e2c33de

[steady frigate]

Good job!!

[plush flint]

it works no more glitches thank u

[flint patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/737743259283226644/1112545795233816708/2023-05-28_21-59-35.mp4

I gave her a decent and proper mouth

[cursive summit]

So i decided to start a stupid 3d modeling project of an obscure character...does anybody remember this guy from the christmas special episode?

[cursive summit]

Current progress

[buoyant nacelle]

My attempt to 3D model hair. Might just restart it completely and use a different method instead

[quaint jasper]

Curves are great, but not when mixed with a mirror modifier

[buoyant nacelle]

That's what I was trying to do for the back but I should've just used a cube to model this out since I've noticed that I don't have th same type of control that I wanted. I was also trying to make more curly hair but I ended up making it more straight. It's my first time modeling hair so it's not going to be perfect but man it was stressing me out because I wanted it to look good at least.

[quaint jasper]

Lacking curls aside, I think what you've made looks decent!

[buoyant nacelle]

Ikr? Like I said, I will restart it since I made it into a mesh already but I either will go back with the paths method or just use a different method entirely

[cursive summit]

Progress has been made

[river geode]

Making pants for a digitigrade legs and it's got a weird... offset?

Anyone have tips on how to fix it?

[cursive summit]

Welp its not done but...hows it looking?

[steady frigate]

Edges of SpongeBob's body could be sharper but I think you're really on your way there

[quick thunder]

run it through substance painter

[cursive summit]

I don't have substance painter

I uploaded the basic one to vrc, it looks better with the metal shaders

[zealous delta]

Hey! Unsure if this is the right place but it's technically related to the 3D modelling stage so maybe, anyone have or know of any good resources on custom normals? I have a few anime avatars that I'm working on but I want them to have that type of Genshin shading instead of the shading mess it usually creates with strong lights in VRC.

I guess I'll also share my current WIP, all the shadows at the moment are painted on the texture but I'd like to have a mix of texture shading and shading from light sources

[misty compass]

Hey what is a good free software for texturing avatars made in blender

[devout orchid]

Blender+Krita

[misty compass]

Thank you

[steady frigate]

What sort of textures are you trying to do? Also, can you paint?

[misty compass]

like just texturing avatars 3d, I can paint

[glad bronze]

Blender works for me but for anything that can't be done in blender I use my preferred choice of photo editing software (photoshop, gimp, etc.)

[steady frigate]

What sort of textures? What sort of visual style?

[misty compass]

Like clone trooper textures, straight colors with scratches and dirt like worn down colorful armor

[steady frigate]

Do you want them to be realistic or stylised? What sort of stylised? How complex/realistic do you want the material to look?

[devout orchid]

@steady frigate come on, as if you have any good free options

[misty compass]

I want them to be realistic like from first glance it looks real

I am not exactly sure

[devout orchid]

btw i forgor materialize, old stuff but still beats controlnet and all this sd ai stuff when faking normal maps/smoothness

tho making some kind of heightmap with no colors definetly helps

[steady frigate]

Yeah, Blender plus something like Materialize and Krita can work good for that

But it takes a lot of work, and you'll need to learn plenty. It's not simple

[devout orchid]

just remember. im just too lazy to learn substance

[steady frigate]

It's kind of like learning to draw realistically, without any CGI or computer rendering in there. Even with the materials and the rendering engine, it's the textures that most of the realism lies on, and it takes plenty of learning and practice to get good at

[steady frigate]

And yeah there's that, Adobe don't need that much of our money once a month

you can just use their stuff

[devout orchid]

and also yeah, stable diffusion/a1111 ofc. had little luck with texture loras but og 1.5 gives decent 512 tiled base textures

also can be used to bring the details in final/middle design, I as a shitty artist just make rough sketch with properly placed details and get with many trials a decent texture with folds shadows n stuff.

[weak ermine]

So I know it's possibly because I did it before, but how do you parent an unskinned mesh to a specific bone in blender without actually skinning the mesh?

I.e. I want to put a bone with no weighting on the head without just doing it in Unity, that way it's a separate mesh but it's unskinned and isn't counted as such in the SDK

[steady frigate]

Weight painting, I suppose. I think you can just select that entire part of the model and remove all weights immediately using some command. Been a while since I did that though

[weak ermine]

I thought there was specifically some way to parent a mesh to a bone

[steady frigate]

not in Blender AFAIK, only to the armature object that the whole skeleton extends from

[spiral sigil]

Drop the mesh onto the bone you want it parented to in the hierarchy or use a constraint to parent.

[weak ermine]

Didn't realize you could just drop a mesh on a bone, thanks lol

[spiral sigil]

Works well for things like hats and bracelets

[weak ermine]

Yeah doing it for eyes that use UV offset

[spiral sigil]

Nice

[proud wadi]

this is SO cool!! if you want critique, I'd say the body could be 10% bigger and more square, it's a bit too rounded?

Also some proper metal lookin textures would make this look killerr

Awesome idea/execution

[proud wadi]

nice work! I think that's more of a #shaders thing? but if you want custom normals, I'd reccomend looking into baking. you'll need a higher detail mesh to take the normal data from, might have to look into sculpting as well

so that makes it "modeling" related afterall I guess lol

[alpine merlin]

Wip recreation of my old model. I tried npr style but I wanted more control so I made a layering shader.

[spiral sigil]

Still a WIP

Only 150 days until spooky day

[devout orchid]

Why shes wearing a bottlecap tho?

[spiral sigil]

Because I needed to turn up the vertex weight mass and down the stiffness.

Fun with cloth sim 😆

[flint patrol]

Question, i assume the top in the last pic is a placeholder?

Mainly because it clashes with the style but also because she looks faaaairly young to have

those details on her ches

Mainly because it clashes with the style but also because she looks faaaairly young to have

those details on her ches

[spiral sigil]

She’s still a WIP, and the subdivision is way up right now so there are some minor shading errors that won’t be present after applying and baking normals.

[spiral sigil]

Shading errors around poles are exaggerated a bit, if that answers the question.

[flint patrol]

I see, i guess that makes sense

[spiral sigil]

These kinds of outfits usually look best when you do some final sculpting and baking work at the end.

Glossy look is hard to get looking good without it

[flint patrol]

Yeah i get you, just these two points here looked really odd and out of place

But i see what you mean now

[spiral sigil]

Yup, after done it will look better because it won't be a smoothing algorithm shaping it.

Might need to turn down the thickness a bit though too. I'll play with it later.

[spiral sigil]

This leg wrap was a pain. Used curves and meticulously adjusted, fixed the twist, adjusted more, fixed the twist...repeat for hours until snug and not clipping 💀

If anyone knows a better way, I'm all ears.

[spiral sigil]

Very small width belts

But I think blender is just kinda a pain for that kinda job

[cursive summit]

I have a model I'm working on, the body that it's on looks smooth but the head and any parts that was blended on look horrible with smoothing on, how do i fix it?

[devout orchid]

reset/recalculate etc normals

also check normals orientation

[solar fossil]

could have probably used a shrinkwrap modifier in order to not have to do so much tweaking

[solar fossil]

that topology is pretty yikes, but yes recalculate normals + remove custom split normals

you can find them in this tab

[weak ermine]

1. That's the model's normal data screwing up. Reset vectors and turn on auto smooth.

2. For the love of God PLEASE optimize that topology

[cursive summit]

How do i optimize it? i found the model on a website, i didn't make it

also idk how to reset vectors

[weak ermine]

In edit mode press F3 and type reset vectors

[cursive summit]

Alright i did that, what about optimizing it?

sorry i just read the other stuff lol im blind

[weak ermine]

If you're not familiar with modeling don't worry about it, you seem a bit novice and I don't want to overwhelm you lol

[cursive summit]

Considering i made this from scratch...thats a fair assumption XD

[weak ermine]

Trust me that's far from the worst I've seen lol

[cursive summit]

Oh shit i just noticed who you are, i love your avatars btw, very high effort

[weak ermine]

Oh thank you!

[cursive summit]

I've been trying to make my own avatar world recently, i try to put a lot of effort into my stuff

I mostly upload Nintendo stuff cause not that many people do it, i've actually been recognized a few times...its kinda weird tbh lol

[weak ermine]

Tell me about it lol

[spiral sigil]

Unless I'm not using it right, it just kind of collapses the whole thing flat, and doesn't interact with itself to layer. Just wraps against the target with no respect for thickness or places it overlaps.

[glad bronze]

You can shrink wrap and solidify it to give depth (use bevel modifiers / manually add any wanted detail around the loop). Then manually move the affected areas to fix the overlap. A lot faster than manually moving the entire thing into place.

You can also shrink wrap the curve to the thing, apply it, then add on the detail to the curve through your desired method.

[spiral sigil]

Noted

Thank you

[dawn heart]

does anyone know how i get my texture to stop being half black?

[harsh saddle]

That's where it should be transparent. Are you building this for PC or Quest?

[dawn heart]

pc

[harsh saddle]

Okay, then you should just be able to use the standard material and in the material settings, change the mode to transparent. If that doesn't work, you'll need to go into the texture and make sure alpha is enabled and "alpha is transparency" is as well.

[dawn heart]

thank you!

[harsh saddle]

Cutout should work as well as transparency mode since I don't think any parts are partially transparent. Might perform better? I don't really know.

[haughty cedar]

mmmmmm lego

[cursive summit]

This is it now with the fixed shading, thank you the people who helped me

[azure sluice]

I’m working on a commission rn, still a wip

[spiral sigil]

Rusty boi

Lookin great

[azure sluice]

I finish him, he’s in #avatar-showcase :3

[spiral sigil]

im brand new to blender, this took me an ungodly amount of time (9h) so im gonna give it a break till tommorow.

[ashen plover]

kinda late to this, but my advice if you want to have a go at optimising the model by hand would be to take screenshots of it from the front/side/top/bottom/back, import those images into blender and position/align them to use as references to the same scale as the existing model, then delete that model and poly model a new one from scratch using the refs

it'd be a great way to learn/practice making clean hard surface topology if you want to give it a try

there's plenty of resources for setting up image references and making good/optimised topology on youtube

[azure sluice]

Not a horrible start, just keep at it and you’ll do great :)

[quaint jasper]

Please follow along with tutorials for beginners

[spiral sigil]

I did ;-;

[quaint jasper]

Which one ?

I'd highly suggest Rainhet's playlists on Youtube for this

[prime obsidian]

hey this is my first attempt at modeling clothing! i wanted to ask if there's any ways i could improve the topology so the render doesn't look weird (odd creases in some areas etc.) right now i'm using auto shade smooth, i wanna make sure i keep all the details that i marked sharp on (i'll be doing actual texturing in SP)

any tips appreciated because i might still not know abt all the options available for this stuff

[quaint jasper]

So this will be PBR and not too ?

[prime obsidian]

what does pbr mean?

[devout orchid]

physically based rendering. aka photoreal. I belive second word was supposed to be toon.

[quaint jasper]

Yep sorry forgot a letter!

[spiral sigil]

Wish I could add more hardware, but wanting to stay under 70k

[prime obsidian]

oh i'm not sure how exactly that works then, i just want to also use this model for 3d animations in blender and all that besides vrchat

i'm not too acknowledged with shaders in blender besides principled BSDF

[quaint jasper]

You can also do toon shading in Blender

[spiral sigil]

Highly recommend Kirytoon shader for Eevee

With tweaking it can make things look identical to Poiyomi

[glad bronze]

+1 really nice shader

[tawny pollen]

wait for it

[pulsar pelican]

Low poly Perfectheart is underway ✨

I’ve gotten a lot of requests from Omori fans in VRC for this one so I’m excited to make her :)

[spiral sigil]

Absolutely terrifying. I hope I never round a corner in the pug to find this staring at me 😨

[solar fossil]

Protip:
If you feel weird looking at your model without facial features you can add a plane with a face texture in order to make it less weird

follow me for more great blender tips

[hardy turret]

any tips to make texturing more.. high quality?

[spiral sigil]

Define high quality. My initial answer is to say use higher resolution textures.

If you want realism, substance has tools to make that easier, if you want more hand painted look, you can use Clip Studio Paint or find brush packs for Blender.

Also, 16 bit textures will be much larger, but have smoother gradients

[harsh saddle]

High resolution and making sure your UVs make good use of the texture space. a 4k texture doesn't do much good if the face is taking up 1/50th of the space. Painting skill is also helpful. You can get a bit of help from AI programs but they can be unpredictable with texture maps.

[spiral sigil]

It all depends. A Sonic avatar doesn't need 4k 16 bit textures though.

In an ideal world, you would use as much of the UV space you can, and as small of a texture size and bit depth as you can get away with.

[past drum]

im learning avatars, and im trying o figure out what this guy is doing around 5:20 timestamp here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDwnAIFOHQ&t=1415s5:20

[spiral sigil]

Shonzo has the mirror modifier turned on but didn't have "clipping" selected at first, so when he extruded the mesh to connect the legs in the middle, they don't merge together, then he turns clipping on so the verts in the middle join together. After that is just modeling 👍

If you have "Clipping" on and you move verts toward the center, they can't go past that point, otherwise you can have it extend through itself and onto the other side of the mirrored plane.

[past drum]

I mean how he is maing the planes appear out of air like that like showing the outline of the plane before making it a plane

[spiral sigil]

E to extrude

It's going to be hard to make an avatar without knowing the basics

Have you made anything else before?

[past drum]

i have a few times i know a bit above the initial learning curve

its like how you can preview the planes as your making the verices

[spiral sigil]

He's just extruding a single vert and then filling to make a plane I'm pretty sure.

If you select 4 verts and hit F it will make a face

Well, more or less than 4 too but he's working with quads mostly.

Immediately after he does it again, extrudes a vert out, selects 4 then hits F to make a face.

You don't necessarily have to do it that way. You can extrude a single vert into an edge, and you can extrude edges into faces, etc.

[solar fossil]

I would recommend a more beginner friendly tutorial
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvgIVNDU-Dxi5h3JLNJMfK0t3-WsBm6Av
Or this one
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvgIVNDU-Dxjb3eukDF5W0l0-6ShO9OiM

[spiral sigil]

Yes, I couldn't benefit from Shonzo videos until I was basically at intermediate level knowledge already and could keep up. If you are asking what button he just hit, you aren't ready for Shonzo vids yet really.

[past drum]

Ive got the modeling aspect dwon

ive just been having a hard time goign about modeling hips and arms which ive been trying

[spiral sigil]

Lots of ways to skin a model 😆

[solar fossil]

what reference are you using?

y-you are using a reference image right?

[spiral sigil]

Good refs are hard to find for sure

All of the good refs I've ever worked with were commissioned

[solar fossil]

I would use the reference from the second video, it's probably not that close to what he wants to make, but it's still way better than nothing, and a good way to get the base proportions down after which he can change them pretty easily

[past drum]

I was kindof freehanding it first to get a feel for my workflow

Im trying to create a new line of male bases for people to use that arent jacked up E-boys, that dont look like their all the same

So im trying to teach myself from scratch modeling

[solar fossil]

i would still recommend using a reference sheet, you dont realise how weird the proportions are until you compare them

hold on, leme get you some base meshes as well

[past drum]

I got some already

[solar fossil]

oh, ok

[alpine merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860002436520345640/1116362853612535868/image.png

very happy how it worked.

the small one on the left is the old model i made 4 years ago.

[quaint jasper]

That is a gorgeous model!

[spiral sigil]

Very

[next aurora]

I'm using FACEIT for face visemes

anyone know what causes this to happen?

[spiral sigil]

Probably not having the upper and lower teeth part of the appropriate vertex groups.

[next aurora]

it was the magnet

we good

[spiral sigil]

Ah

[next aurora]

but thanks

[ancient tapir]

Hello there, if anyone skilled on unity making avatars quest compatible, i would be really glad to use some help on advice, please.
Long story short, i want to make avatar compatible for quest (from pc avatar), originally it's on poi/poi_pro, i got textures and meshes already done by someone else, but when i uploaded everything and connected to pc, my friend with quest headsed said avatar broken, all skin textures goes white. but if friend turn avatar off/on it's getting normal/working for a second, then it's turns completely white again, and also little 3d model spinning in avatar selection screen of avatar also looking normal, for some reason. Anything i can try to do to fix my avatar ?

[quaint jasper]

#avatar-quest

[ancient tapir]

thanks

[young bone]

how do i stop the uv from changing size when changing textures? btw im changing from a square to a rectangle and its messing it up annoyingly

[harsh saddle]

Can you post a picture? I don't think your UVs are changing but textures will display differently on different models depending on the UV layout.

[harsh saddle]

Those are definitely different UVs but changing the image texture isn't going to do that.

[young bone]

those UVs are from the same model, just swapping the texture messed its shape up and id love to know if theres a way to not have to try and fix its size

[harsh saddle]

If just changing the texture does that, your Blender installation may be haunted

[young bone]

....

[trail python]

it does that when the ratio of the image changes

[young bone]

yes, but is there a way to force it to stay its shape even with the ratios changed?

[trail python]

not that im aware of

[young bone]

pain

[harsh saddle]

Do you need to use images with different aspect ratios? Can't you just paste them into a 1x1 format?

[young bone]

i could, but thats not what im trying to do

[harsh saddle]

You could just adjust the tiling to compensate

[trail python]

could try projecting from view

[young bone]

i guess i could...just seems like id be remaking the uv

[trail python]

idk what type of model this is unless its one of those flat Doom like ones

[spiral sigil]

I'm a bit confused and wondering, when do I need leaf or end bones and when do I not for VRC? I know the only way for Unity to know the length of the last bone is to have an end bone...but when do I need that?

I've been putting them on anything that is going to get colliders and aren't IK related bones.

[hushed leaf]

you need at least 2 bones for physbones to work (3 for squish), or to set the endpoint position) - leaf bones are useful for this, but otherwise there's not much use at this point.

[next ravine]

How would I make a cable from point A to point B?

[spiral sigil]

Thank you, this helps a lot.

[spiral sigil]

Curves plus a bevel object. You can adjust the resolution of both to adjust the quad density too.

Bezier curve or a path work and a circle curve for the bevel object, place it where you want, adjust the resolution, convert to mesh.

[prime obsidian]

can someone tell me how this guy used proportional to move only the eyelashes? they are in the same object as the rest of the face so i can't figure out how he made it so it didn't affect the rest of the mesh (timestamped the video)
https://youtu.be/uUqQw6VpFP8?t=2941

i'd really need to know cus it would muuuch faster for me to make eye shapekeys

cus rn i have to constantly switch between hiding and unhiding the rest of the face so i can use proportional editing only on the eyelash

[prime obsidian]

^same for the eyebrows

[quaint jasper]

There's an option to uncheck in the proportional editing tab at the top called "Connected" or something

[prime obsidian]

thank you!!!!!!!!!!! i've been trying to figure this out for so long 😭

[spiral sigil]

What kind of constraints?

like these?

or is it in unity?

[trail python]

its in unity

[spiral sigil]

Ohh okay, is it rotation contraints?

like the component

[trail python]

i think thats what im using on my 4 armer

dont have unity open

but i figured it out from the official unity doc

[spiral sigil]

Rotation constraint will allow the second set of arms to match the rotation of the first exactly, or even a reduced influence.

The bone rolls for the arms should match though, or they can move funny.

IK bones always 0 bone roll, so the extras should be the same.

[spiral sigil]

So do you think i could us rotation contraints?

Yes

In either Blender or Unity, but you have to set them up in either one you want it to work, because they don't transfer.

okay thanks

If you need to know more in Unity...
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/class-RotationConstraint.html

[spiral sigil]

thanks again.

[cursive summit]

I found some art of a 3d Mecha Mario and wanted to buy it...sadly it's not available so i took it upon myself to make my own, Still needs a lot of work but how is it looking so far?

[cursive summit]

I'm having an issue with the hands, they are getting shadows from above but everything else is being shaded below

[spiral sigil]

Normals are reversed I'm pretty sure.

Under the overlays button, click "face orientation" and that spot is probably red not blue

Edit mode, select the faces, Alt + N and flip normals

[cursive summit]

Where is the overlays button?

[spiral sigil]

Two circles that overlap at the top

[cursive summit]

Huh...its blue but wrong

[spiral sigil]

That is weird

Maybe apply location to everything

[cursive summit]

I DID get the hands from another model, i didn't make them from scratch

[spiral sigil]

Off the top of my head, not 100 percent sure why it's doing that. If normals are correct, it's possible there may be a custom normal layer attached to the mesh.

Try clicking that if it says "clear custom normals"

If it says add, it's something else

[cursive summit]

I cleared them and its still shaded wrong wtf XD

[spiral sigil]

That is weird

Check the face orientation again

Maybe somebody tried to fix the shading error with split normals instead, of having the orientation correct

🤷‍♀️

[cursive summit]

I have no fucking idea what i did but it works now XD

[spiral sigil]

Nice

Welcome to Blender 😆

[cursive summit]

I checked it and it was red and i flipped them...even though i remember doing ctl z...

I have no fuckin idea

[spiral sigil]

It's okay, it works

👍

[cursive summit]

Yeea

There we go

[spiral sigil]

Never any telling what other people do to their models, so you will run into weird stuff sometimes.

Looking great

[cursive summit]

Thank you

[spiral sigil]

You have an outline shader

Or rather, a physical outline, that would cause the normals to look funny in viewport mode, because you are looking at the outside of the shell, so it maybe is why.

[cursive summit]

Yeah i was just about to remove it, i was originally gonna shade it flat and add toon shading

[spiral sigil]

A physical outline is just a shell with normals flipped

[cursive summit]

Its using a shader, not physical shell

[spiral sigil]

Ah

Tech support, yo

😆

It's hard

Always 10 things it COULD be

[cursive summit]

Yeahh im horrible with explaining things

[shadow rose]

Ohhhh that's sick! 😄

[spiral sigil]

Unrelated to VRChat really, but if anyone has a good tutorial on rigging inverse kinematics for animation in Blender, I would be very thankful.

[prime obsidian]

trying to do uv unwrapping, those are for the eyes but i had to edit it so the middle would actually be centered
is there's a way to mirror the edited uv? (on the right)

[spiral sigil]

Select it, right click and mirror

It won’t change the position just mirror in place

Make sure you are on face/island select

[prime obsidian]

how do i make it so it's applied to the other side?

because yeah i can mirror the uv on the right by itself but i want to mirror it to the other side so they're matching

and idk how to do that

[spiral sigil]

I think you can if you unwrap with the mirror modifier still on, but after you would have to manually align them or use an addon as far as I am aware.

You can just overlay them if you want to mirror what is on each.

[prime obsidian]

maaaan

that stinks

[spiral sigil]

I mean, how precise do you need it, because you can manually place pretty close for most texture sizes

[prime obsidian]

i'll be painting the eyes by myself so it would be the easiest if i could just do one side and then copy and flip it to the other side

[spiral sigil]

Gotta be quicker than straightening and aligning a dozen hair strands front and back

[spiral sigil]

Just mirror and then overlay the UVs and when you draw on one you are mirroring to the other side at the same time.

[prime obsidian]

i guess i have no choice

[spiral sigil]

This gives you effectively double the texel resolution too

[prime obsidian]

double the what

[spiral sigil]

The resolution

[solar fossil]

Royal skies has some ik tutorials, but if you want you can also use Rigify which makes a full body ik system for you

[spiral sigil]

Noted, thank you.

I've watched some of RS tuts

Pretty good

[vital oak]

Is it possible to have a model toggle to a different one or would that only work if they have the same mesh?

[glad bronze]

Yes. You treat it like a clothing toggle but instead you hide the previous mesh too.

[spiral sigil]

Just can't change the bones

[vital oak]

So same mesh or doesn't matter?

[spiral sigil]

You can hide the second mesh using UV tile discard ideally, but the less optimal way is to just toggle the renderer off for the mesh you don't want to see.

The complication is with face morphs though, you have to pick the mesh with the visemes on it, and I don't think you can change, so you can toggle bodies, but not really the face.

[vital oak]

I see

[spiral sigil]

It all just depends, but there is probably a way to do it depending on what you are trying to do exactly

[vital oak]

Well I guess it depends on the style but I was wondering if you could toggle between a human version and furry version model.

[spiral sigil]

If I were doing that, I would probably make sure the visemes for them both are named exactly the same, then combine the models into one mesh, so that they will both move when you talk, and then add an extra UV map for Poiyomi UV tile discard so you can hide one or the other with the shader.

People that have disabled shaders for you though will see both mesh, and they are both there, so it will be less than optimal, unless both models together are pretty optimal.

I'm very much simplifying and handwaving a lot of steps like reatlasing the textures all together for the 2 models and stuff.

It's literally easier and quicker and more optimal to just change models

[vital oak]

Yeah I get that. Just wondering if it was a neat idea that was worth trying

Apparently it wasn't haha

[spiral sigil]

It's not a bad idea, just not really the best way

There are times something like that could be useful

Especially if you were doing an animation and the changeover was part of that.

Like human to werewolf transform or something

[vital oak]

yeah but if there's way to make sure it's going to look optimal for everyone then seems kinda pointless

[spiral sigil]

Always a tradeoff between cool stuff and performance

[hushed leaf]

re: UV editing, ZenUV is a really nice blender add-on for a lot of those tasks

[solar fossil]

For the viseme issue you can instead use animator parameters instead of the default blend shape setup, that way you can have animations play depending on the sound, and those animations can drive both models without having to combine them

That's how I set up a smaller character in my avatar's head so it talks at the same time

[lucid pumice]

how do i make fur man im dying 😭

[solar fossil]

Yes, pretty much like that, you can use a data transfer to make the normals blend better, here is a tutorial on that: https://youtu.be/jgVEdS6sZsk

[lucid pumice]

cool!

[lucid pumice]

i think it work but only in sculpt mode view
but when i switch back into edit mode there is black outlines

[prime obsidian]

idk where to ask abt this but does anyone know a way to make outlines for the character in blender ONLY on the edges/as a silhouette?

this is how it looks like with the solidify modifier, i tried the grease pencil and freestyle but i'm not getting the effect i want with them

[prime obsidian]

there's also a cool addon that i got introducted to recently, it gives u a lot cool new options that can make stuff like this easier to deal with
https://github.com/greisane/gret

basically there's an option to automatically do the fur blend thing (data transfer) however im pretty sure it also connects meshes

[glad bronze]

This is just how blender renders it in solid view. So I don't think it should look like this anywhere else. Check in eevee, it should look similar to the left one instead.

Or check in look dev

[lucid pumice]

ah cool

thanks for that i will try it

[solar fossil]

thats just the blender outline, you can disable it from here

[lucid pumice]

Ah!

[solar fossil]

feel free to ping if you need more help / have other issues

[quaint jasper]

You can use vertex groups to determine where the outline appears of the model!

[prime obsidian]

hmm

i mean maybe that could work for the face features buuuuuuuut

it wouldnt show the edges of that part if i was to look at it from the side

same goes for the hair

[quaint jasper]

If you're looking for a solution that has different results based on camera orientation, then I'm not aware of an existing one sorry

It would likely be a manually created mesh I guess

[spiral sigil]

maybe some shader that does wahtveer you want different depending on someone elses viewing orientation but idk how you make that work for everyone in a vrchat lobby at all

i have no idea what unity variable would determine this orientation or anything else youd need to make that shader

[prime obsidian]

oh no that's not for vrchat

it's just for blender, but generally i couldnt find anything on the internet

however i did also try making the same thing with poiyomi shaders for the outlines on the vrchat port but i couldnt figure it out either

[spiral sigil]

I know the Fresnel shader in Blender changes depending on your camera but idk how to harness it in the way you want

[glad bronze]

oh its pretty easy then, although it is done in compositing. Here is a tutorial about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB1S1zhce4E. Just play with the map range and such until it only outlines the very edges.

I would imagine there are other ways to do it that are in real-time. You could have the outline be a separate mesh and render your character on top of it so only the very out most lines are visible. I wouldn't know how to do that though.

[prime obsidian]

aw man..

yeahh im only talking about real time

[spiral sigil]

If you use the solidify modifier to create a shell with inverted normals you can do realtime physical outlines pretty easy.

These are the settings I used, and I added a pure black material for the outline. Just set the material offset to how many materials to move the index to in order to reach the outline one.

[prime obsidian]

yeah that's what i'm using, however i want it to only affect the edges like a silhouette (at least for just the hair and face)

it looks like this rn

i turned off solidify for the head cus it would ruin the face

[spiral sigil]

if there are areas there are errors that you want to fix, apply the modifier and use sculpt mode to make the shell smaller in areas you don't want to see it and bigger in areas you do.

As long as everything is weight painted and all of your visemes are there, should work pretty well for small adjustments.

[prime obsidian]

iiii dont think u know what i mean

it's chill, it doesn't seem like there's a feature like this in real time

i'll just pass with whatever i got rn

[spiral sigil]

Okay

[spiral sigil]

BTW, that vertex group setting lets you pick areas that the solidify is and is not applied

[prime obsidian]

basically i wanted to make it accurate to the art style

basically would be this but with outlines OUTSIDE the character

so no matter which direction you'd look at him from the outlines would always be only outside

but yeh im fine with what i got so i absolutely won't stress it cus it's a very specific thing

plus i gotta focus on less niche stuff rn

[spiral sigil]

Yeah, good outlines are difficult for sure

Looking very cute though as is

❤️

[prime obsidian]

thank u!

[cursive summit]

Finally done with my custom Mecha Mario, really like how he came out

[orchid glacier]

Has anyone ever had their entire weight paint erase? It seems to happen when I open my rigged character in a newer version of blender. Is there a way to prevent this?

[spiral sigil]

I ran into this going from 2.9 to 3.0, but not 3.3

Best way is to export as an FBX then import into the new version if it is losing vertex groups though.

I was super sus about using the newer version for a while because of this incident, because I wasn't competent enough to fix it back then.

[pulsar pelican]

Just started another model instead of finishing my WIPs like a boss

[lucid pumice]

Finally finished
Time to texture

[tulip condor]

how to disable striking lines in unity scene plane?

[thin shadow]

perhaps change viewport shading setting

[tulip condor]

@thin shadow
thank you

but i'm using different version of unity and as you can see i try'd everything but nothing can fix my isse
i even look at the shader but there is nothing there to adjust only "grid alpha" slider exist
but that slider only sharpen edges around cube but it want remove those diagonal lines 😦

here is short video preview what i done so far

btw
i try'd to apply other shaders on it
but i still see those diagonal lines

[tulip condor]

@thin shadow
i found out what causing it
it was stupid mesh collider

so in order to fix my problem i have 2 options
1 is to enable convex but with side effects like raised visible square edge lines of that collider that can be seen above plane mesh
or
2 to completelly remove mesh collider which entirely resolves my problem

[golden lynx]

Tips on retopo?

[glad bronze]

Look at lots of references, preserve edge loops, keep edge flow, look at some tutorials too there are plenty of good ones.

[harsh saddle]

For something like that, just use a box collider. The collider won't be visible in VRChat and you should be able to hide it in Unity by disabling gizmos.

[harsh saddle]

Try to start with squares and reassess how you can move back towards squares as your planes start to get too thin on a certain axis. You also don't need all that geometry for the eye sockets if they won't be seen, you can leave holes there. The eye sockets look like they have a pretty flat grid when you really want a proper edge loop there and around the mouth, though this sculpt doesn't seem to have a mouth.

[golden lynx]

The mouth is a plane, I have a lot of different mouths for talking, that changes by movement

[harsh saddle]

For the eyes, I'd delete most of the center and then maybe use a sphere or cylinder to create a circular loop and then just extrude in from there so you have nice loops there.

[tulip condor]

yes that's what i done
anyway if i may dare to say that the mesh collider have some visualization collider bug
i hope the unity devs will ever fix it which i dabt in it

[random turtle]

yay blender

💀

[red glade]

The blender experience

[random turtle]

fr

I fixed it tho lol

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-roblox-meme-roblox-obby-roblox-jumpscare-gif-25132757

[red glade]

What ended up being the problem?

[random turtle]

I have no idea but I still managed to fix it

somehow

lol

[red glade]

lets gbo

Wgat are ya working on if you mind me askin?

it seems very... dense?

[random turtle]

i'm attempting to make myself a spidersona model for spider lair lol

i'm still working on modelling it

[red glade]

Spidersona? Mind explaining 😅

[random turtle]

it's basically a custom spiderman design

[trail python]

new spiderverse movie came out recently, super cool lol

[random turtle]

yeaa the movie was great

[trail python]

im not into the super hero/marvel stuff but i like the way they do the art a lot. the general concept along with the story is that anyone can be spiderman

the miles skyscraper scene from the first one, chefs kiss👌

[random turtle]

fr

[red glade]

Ohyeah supposed to watch it still.

Never knew that wasa thing. Nice

Made a lil hat, Been addicated to cowboy stuff lately so

Tought it added to the fit

[spiral sigil]

I always had a problem with branching nodes, and I just realized that ive been doing it wrong
how do I maintain the resolution from my parent branch so that my 8 vertices cylinder isnt reduced to 6 verticies when I split it

[harsh saddle]

There are ways to cleanly add more verts to an edge without creating triangles or ngons, though it still doesn't hurt to hide them if you can, maybe in the crevice between the two branches. It's also not the end of the world to add the occasional triangle. It isn't ideal for subdivision but Unity is going to triangulate in the end anyway.

[spiral sigil]

This video helped me a lot...
https://youtu.be/HGL6QpVRyXk

[golden lynx]

Are the merged verts a big problem? Or can I change anything about the retopoligy mesh when I'm done?

[quaint jasper]

You can always change anything at any point, but your retopology should be clean

If you have to retopo your retopo, you fucked up

[golden lynx]

Noticed there is a "Smoothing" tool for the verts, is this any useful? or will it just not change anything about the merged verts?

[quaint jasper]

If they're merged, it won't

This blue thing enabled is your problem FYI

[golden lynx]

Well that's useful Thank you

[spiral sigil]

Ah yes, the "I use you once a week but if I forget to turn you off I ruin stuff" button.

Almost as bad as forgetting to turn on vertex group mirroring while weight painting.

[golden lynx]

Managed to remove some merged verts, and just added some edges, Looks ok so far

[trail python]

i know people reccomend substaince painter, but whats generally chosen, sub or perpetual license? i see pros and cons with both

figured this channel is the next best thing to "epic-texture-channel"

[spiral sigil]

Personally, I will use it heavily then not at all for a long time so I like the subscription

They give you downloads of materials and stuff too for having the sub

[eternal nova]

Is anyone here expert in converting a persons photo into a blender model

[harsh saddle]

Unless you're talking photogrammetry which still requires manual retopology if you want to make it usable for an avatar, you're basically just looking for an expert in modeling humans which is a rather involved process. If you're looking to commission someone, I would google VRC Traders.

[snow estuary]

me showing off my horribly texture model

[red glade]

Looks solid! keep it up

[snow estuary]

thx

[azure rain]

what exactly are you trying to do that you were using cats to do originally

[trail python]

^

and also if youre using a blender versions 3.0 and up you need the development version

[trail python]

so then just apply the transforms manually and join manually?

not everything needs to be handled by cats

i think most of the tools in it are for mmd models

[red glade]

Currently setting up the last details of mymodel. and the lastthing thats really bothering me is the way Ive setup the eyes. I really want the more disney style look where the eyes actually look more round

instead of the current illusion ive created with a hollowed out eye and a floating iris.

any ideas that would work?

Images for reference. This is the kind of idea i would like to achieve a more rounded look.

[quaint jasper]

For the Mike Wazowski model I made, I actually did the opposite of what you did, I moved the iris part outward very slightly, to give it a bump, but didn't cave in the part inside

Which I think makes it loot a bit more realistic, and in line with the pixar look

[red glade]

Hmmm allright! Thats a good idea 2 sec let me try with a eyeball model I have Thank you!

So this is an eyeball version I made a while ago

I feel like the way Ive made my eyes just makes it look so... Dead?

This works? It looks okay. just idk it feels a bit off

[quaint jasper]

Looks off because of the model style and shading imo

[red glade]

Yea exactly, doesnt really add up.

[quaint jasper]

Your pupil is also very small

If the makeup on your face matched the resolution of the eye texture, it might be less jarring

but the blurry stuff contrasts poorly with a very high quality eye

[red glade]

I have one without. and well I made it so I can change the UV for the pupil.

And good point hm

Well this is an improvement? It looks a bit less jarring as you said.

[quaint jasper]

I also feel like your eyes are very open by default ?

75% of the current value might look better with the eyes too

[red glade]

Allright this is lemme see

90% Open let me close m in a bit

This is 85. ill send 75 too.

[quaint jasper]

Maybe mostly moving the upper lid down ?

[red glade]

Lemme see.

Hmmm

Hm that might be a problem

[red glade]

Did a little bit of resculpting on the general shape. Gonna leave it here for now. Im starting to see double

[bronze trail]

Question. How come one side of a wall is the correct texture, but the other side is transparent and I can see right through it. I want to fix this so both sides are the same

[quaint jasper]

Flip your normals!

[bronze trail]

explain?

this is my problem

[trail python]

turn backface culling off

flipping the normals wouldn't do anything unless you're wanting to only see the wall from 1 side

[bronze trail]

Where do I find that

[trail python]

it'd be somewhere in the shader settings

i think standard has it?

hrm i dont see it, but itd be in shader settings

i dont think standard has it but if you change your shader to uhhh silent filamented, i think that one has it?

kind of blanking, 4am for me

[bronze trail]

found it

Thanks

there's a shader that has the cull off option

both sides render now

[harsh saddle]

It's generally better to just create your models to have normals facing out on both sides to avoid using a shader that is going to render both sides of every face even if they aren't visible but sometimes a shader can be simpler and the performance cost isn't bad on simpler stuff.

[red glade]

After a bunch of tweaking, this is roughly what I got at

pretty happy with it

[silent zodiac]

New blender user. In the face preview, there are these hidden faces that are very tiny, how might I delete the faces with out separating the polygons?

[harsh saddle]

You could merge the verts

[silent zodiac]

how might I do that again?

[steady zealot]

select all applicable verts (in vertex select mode), and hit M and choose an option

[silent zodiac]

thank you

[white dock]

There are alot of booth avatars that use a "wire" like system for their shape keys to allow the body to stop clipping, how would one go about doing this from scratch on a model?

Example: you can see the orange line which was a full body part beforehand

[azure rain]

you just make a shape key and Shrink all the vertices you want to hide on that shape key

[white dock]

the thing is, if i just simply shrink them on all axis it has a stretching issue which leads to the parts that are connected being stretched which leads to a weird look

[trail python]

its still just a shapekey

you're not touching the clothing shape only the body

[white dock]

yes I'm aware, but if i shrink the faces then this happens

which now im realising after shrinking just the vertices this was my issue to begin with

[trail python]

ohh

not enough geometry to shrink lol

[spiral sigil]

Along the arms, just scale on the Y-Z axis, on the body, scale on the X-Y axis.

That way the verts are still in the approximate location along the bones that they are weight painted too, otherwise they will go wild.

[spiral sigil]

S then Shift+X to scale on Y-Z and S then Shift+Z to scale on X-Y

Also, yeah, if you need more geometry, add some cuts.

[harsh saddle]

You can also use sculpt mode and just smooth the geometry down or I think you could use the inflate brush in "-" mode to contract that area.

[covert galleon]

I made this.... Any corrections?

[golden lynx]

What's the problem with this? I think it literally enables itself

[trail python]

its auto merge

doesnt enable automatically iirc

[old sphinx]

added another hair style to my avatar again
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584731032499126292/1123359345372057701/FzqIJyKX0AMeW7y.png

[spiral sigil]

hey im trying to put breast on this avatar anyone know how to

[spiral sigil]

Hard to tell without seeing the topology, but select the faces where you want them to be and inset is a good start, then you can start pulling them outward and adding more loops as you need, and adjusting the shape.

[spiral sigil]

mind guiding me in vc idek how to add a good star i just pulled up the av in blender

and smoothed out the chest

so now im down to this

Let me see it with the wireframe

Heres an example of what I mean. they start off basically as quads that are inset, then the inner part is made circular and loops are added so later you can start poofing them out into the proper shape, depending on the size and such.

Do that to yours basically

like this?

Yikes

I hate triangulated mesh

girl idk how to work this lmaoo

this is my first time using blender for an avatar im not tryna get charged 1k just for some boobs

I understand this, but I am not sure how to work with triangulated mesh so well

is there a way to change it

You can delete parts and add what you want as quads because in the end the quads get triangulated in unity anyways

[jagged moat]

alt+j should convert tris to quads

[spiral sigil]

Noted

You have to select it all first

oh 💀

so just hit, a, then the Alt J

and what am i selecting

I assume the whole model if you want to convert it to quads and work with it, but I'm a bit outside my wheelhouse now.

[harsh saddle]

Definitely need proper breast topology on this mesh, super necessary.

[spiral sigil]

OH nvm

it is quads

i didnt notice the switch

Should be easier to work with now, but where and how to place booba on a doggo I'm really not sure of 😆

i have a ref of what im trying to get

[quaint jasper]

FYI, if the creator of the model manually made those triangles, some of the shading will be broken when Blender re-triangulates it on export

[spiral sigil]

well its fixable i presume ill just wing it for now

[quaint jasper]

That's the spirit

[harsh saddle]

Manual triangulation is another level of obsessiveness I hope to never achieve

[spiral sigil]

im getting more and more ideas as this goes on ngl

might make this a bimbo taidum

I've learned more by just tearing models up and making mistakes than by any tutorial

[quaint jasper]

It's honestly really useful

[harsh saddle]

Lots of things are useful but awful and painful, like childbirth

[spiral sigil]

Really useful on the face for sure

i think ima make it out to be something like this

bOOb

not that but

like

[harsh saddle]

👌

[spiral sigil]

the color scheme

[jagged moat]

my my

[spiral sigil]

the boobs are not what im going for

She'll be useful should she ever fall overboard at sea

[spiral sigil]

2 and 4 here

is what im going for

im not an artist so drawing up concepts isnt really my thing but i can see in my head what im going for

I wish you luck. Mostly just keep messing with it until you are happy.

[harsh saddle]

When in doubt, I sculpt it. You could duplicate the mesh, turn on dynotopo, sculpt the breasts without needing to worry about topology, and then shrinkwrap or just reference your final topology off of that.

[spiral sigil]

how do i pull it out the sculpting feature seems pretty useful is there anyway to revserse it by chance and still be able to add physics

[harsh saddle]

Reverse booba? Like make them a toggle?

[spiral sigil]

OH WAIT

1 sec

I still would love to see an avatar with a toggle and blendshape that returns it to default cube shape

[harsh saddle]

That would be quire the challenge for anything reasonably complex but it would be cool

[spiral sigil]

okay so i should use scupting to make the breast?

[jagged moat]

I'm not sure but if it was possible to use modifiers you could maybe shrinkwrap the body mesh to a cube as a shape key? Though I don't think you can apply modifiers to shape keys

[harsh saddle]

I would sculpt it for reference but you'll still want to use edit mode to have more control over the topology. I just like sculpting for reference so I'm not moving verts in the dark.

[spiral sigil]

what sculpt mode builds

[harsh saddle]

You can apply shrinkwrap as a shape key but I think the results will be pretty monstrous trying to do that. Maybe that's the goal.

[harsh saddle]

Huh? Aside from using dynamic topology (which is the opposite of good character topology) sculpt mode is kind of just another form of Edit mode, it just allows you to make edits in more organic ways I prefer.

[spiral sigil]

i might have messed my sclupting up is there a way to reset the settings on it

[harsh saddle]

Ctrl+Z will take you back a cetain number of steps, otherwise not really unless it was done as a shape key.

Save regularly

[spiral sigil]

I prefer poly modeling over ever using dynamic topo personally

Different approaches between our two processes though

[harsh saddle]

I'm the resident sculpting apologist. I just think it's easier to figure out the shape with sculpting so you can plan out your topology rather than ending up with great topology but a shape you don't like and then you need to mess with the topology to get the shape right because you didn't have a clear plan going in. Having good reference images can help with that but I'll always prefer a sculpt.

[spiral sigil]

💀

[harsh saddle]

She got hips, tho

[jagged moat]

smash

[spiral sigil]

Smooth boy

yk what really helps me focus

[harsh saddle]

Bunny hips?

[spiral sigil]

okay now im done playing

[spiral sigil]

I pretty much can't work without a solid reference most of the time. Multiresolution modifier is super good at keeping a good base topology you lay down and allowing you to sculpt and reshape it, along with being able to bake the normals directly from the modifier.

[spiral sigil]

naw i was gonna complain about the girl sobbing my ear rn

its off topic uneeded

so i decided not to

but how in the world do i pull the boobs out

Inflate brush

Or grab/elastic deform

[spiral sigil]

is that in scupt

Yes, it's in the blue set

i is the shortcut

[harsh saddle]

For baking normals and stuff, multires is great but its dependent on having good base topology so I still use dynotopo when figuring out the form so I can delay having to think about topology for as long as possible and all I have to do when I get to that point is essentially trace what I've already got. Retopology is tedious but fairly straightforward if you have some experience with how to merge and subdivide edges to get the necessary complexity in different areas.

Inflate is good at building up the base form and then grab to refine the shape. I only use 5 or 6 sculpting brushes on a regular basis. I don't know what half of the stuff at the bottom even does.

[spiral sigil]

how the hell do i turn this light off

its glaring too much

[spiral sigil]

Some are very useful in exactly 1 scenario 😆

I have found sculpting much more enjoyable when I use masking also

All of my models pretty much start out as the default cube, and most of the heads start out as planes.

I like the old techniques

[harsh saddle]

I also like the default cube. I've never gotten into the workflow of using a different primitive for each muscle and combining and remeshing as a sculpting workflow. If i need to build out a limb, I use snake hook and inflate then refine from there.

[harsh saddle]

You can delete lights in the upper right but I would generally be modeling/sculpting in solid render mode so that shouldn't be an issue.

Trying different matcaps can be nice to reveal details that others hide

[spiral sigil]

if i can turn on the wireframe then that would help

[harsh saddle]

If you click the icon that looks like a transparent circle covering an opaque one in the top right of the 3D view, in geometry you can turn on wireframe overlay.

I don't generally use wireframe render unless I want to easily box or circle select faces that are hidden. Too messy to work in otherwise.

[spiral sigil]

yeah nvm ima keep it the way it was b4

okay wireframe was a little helpful

thanks guys i was fr about to pay like 100 for this shit man

well about to put up 100 for it

people wanna charge a band for this

its coming together very nicely

the next step is blonde hair

after i finish this

[harsh saddle]

Since I think those are all quads, you should be able to add some edge loops and use soft selection in edit mode to refine the shape

[spiral sigil]

yeah i was about to ask about how to make it more smooth

okay so what am i doing

[harsh saddle]

Do you know where the edge loop button is?

[spiral sigil]

no i dont

[harsh saddle]

Edit mode right side, looks like a cube with a line down the middle. If you select that and hover over your model, it should show you the edge loops it can create.

Then, you can use the soft selection button (top of 3D view, looks like a dot inside of a circle) to make smoother edits. It's kind of halfway between normal edit mode and using the sculpting grab brush.

[spiral sigil]

alright i added 2 to each side

[harsh saddle]

You've got more geometry to work with, now it's just making the shape nice.

[spiral sigil]

ima add a bit more to the chest and see if i can sclupt it down myself

i think im satified with this

ima try one more thing

okay this is good

okay now should i be done with it or am i doing more if i want to add hair to it

[harsh saddle]

This might help with the fur. As for the breasts, they're looking alright, pretty perky but it's a choice. What you are starting to get is kind of what I was talking about where you start out with pretty clean topology but you don't know the shape you want and then once you start to get the shape in, you've messed up the topology. It's not the worst but it is a little dense and you've got some tiny stretched faces in there which isn't great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVEdS6sZsk

[spiral sigil]

i love the look of it

now i gotta figure out the hair lemme watch the vid

[harsh saddle]

You still have to model the fur, it's just an easier option vs having to model it all as part of one object.

[spiral sigil]

i have to make the hair myself from scratch?

[harsh saddle]

There are different ways to do it depending on the look you want but if there's an automatic fur generator, I'm not aware of it.

[spiral sigil]

how do u reccomend i do it im going for something like this

[harsh saddle]

Using the hair particle system is the most automated option but it's not really a good option for VRChat.

[spiral sigil]

not like a bunch of strands

more like

peices

like banana peels kinda

more cartoonish not realistic

like this but 3d kinda

[harsh saddle]

It's hard to give specific advice, you just model clumps of hair with a bit of taper at the style and layer it. As usual, I think sculpting can help you refine the shape but you can also model it in a standard way.

There isn't really a specific workflow for hair/fur

[spiral sigil]

where do i find the hair

[harsh saddle]

You don't want to use Blender hair for this so there is no hair object, you just model it from a cube or a plane.

[spiral sigil]

should i take it back to unity

[harsh saddle]

You can't model in Unity, ProBuilder isn't a good fit for this one

[spiral sigil]

what do u reccon i use for the hair

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqWYgrXw7Jk&t=27s

[harsh saddle]

Curves like shown in the video are a popular option but you still have to do most of the work yourself regardless, it's just a question of workflow for how you prefer to work and the style you want to achieve. Curves should work for your needs as well as traditional box modeling.

Curves are probably the most flexible option if you don't have a good idea of what you're trying to accomplish going in since you can more easily alter the shape and contours.

[spiral sigil]

okay well i found a few obj files with hair and some clothes but they r like much bigger than my taidum and i do not know how to scale them down

nvm i figured it out

okay running into issue

i sized it down

but i cant move it

nvm

nvm ima scrap the bra

for now

[azure rain]

that's way too many

[spiral sigil]

yeah ik i was looking at something

its a lot less now

[harsh saddle]

You want to look at triangle count, not face count as planar decimate can turn a bunch of triangles into one face but Unity will make them triangles again.

Blender makes them triangles too for rendering, other representations like quads are just for our convenience.

[spiral sigil]

okay well i got most of that done with

my new issue is making the avatar

come to vrc

i got it straighten out now i gotta figure out how to make it cross

why did this happend if anyone knows

does this have anything to do with it

[spiral sigil]

man idk at this point

[spiral sigil]

Please help if you know

[frosty steeple]

How can I model my characters neck, head, and hair?

[frosty steeple]

Maybe check the scale of the bones?

[spiral sigil]

Idekh to do that 🥲

I just want it to work right 🥲

[frosty steeple]

Do you know where the inspector is?

in unity?

[spiral sigil]

im checking rn i have work

[frosty steeple]

Try going into every bone and check if the values aren't 0 or negative

[trim harbor]

Why do you have four pipeline manager scripts

[frosty steeple]

How can I add fleece-like fur to my avatar?

[tight island]

heya i got this problem where it streches out, is there a way to restore them without deleting everything ? i also am struggling to see which faces or edges are doubled ( i dont see any ) so idk whats really causing this

[safe marsh]

Where are the rest of the bones? It looks like this is intended to be a humanoid model so what happened to half of the required humanoid bones?

Oh NVM you have the spine not dropped down

[spiral sigil]

Mind showing me how to do this when i get off ite 1 pm now ill be home at 5

[safe marsh]

No I can't I'm busy sorry

[spiral sigil]

Well if ur free at 5 just lmk im at work atm

[quaint jasper]

You can see a vertex being on the wrong foot, on the first image

[spiral sigil]

hey im still running into the issue of my avatar not being shown and it being a twig in the display

[tight island]

ye the thing is i deleted them and restored them but they kept doing it, basically i had to delete lots of parts and then it worked fine

[quaint jasper]

Apply your scale before exporting out of Blender

[spiral sigil]

i was told to do that but i thought i did already

[spiral sigil]

is anyone with knowlege on this able to vc and help me out i can give the files over too

[harsh saddle]

Is this a new import into Unity or are you overwriting an existing asset?

[spiral sigil]

overwriting

i did my edits

and the avatar just completely like shriveles

when i hit play

it goes to this

everytime

[harsh saddle]

Yeah, don't overwrite, just add it as a new asset. You can make certain changes to existing assets and have everything import well like adjusting weights and mapping but if you mess with the model too much, that will happen.

[spiral sigil]

i didnt mess with it so much i did like

3 things

added breast

and a wig

let me see what it comes to when i just export the orginal to vrc

bc if it comes out normal then i fucked up somewhere

[harsh saddle]

Import whatever model you like, just make sure the filename is different.

[spiral sigil]

is it possible for u to do what i did by chance with the original files

omg

i think

i got it 💀

[swift jolt]

I allways overwrite. Never had that issue befor. No issue at all usualy

[spiral sigil]

im here now 💀

im about to just pay someone to do this shit

[harsh saddle]

I'm not sure what causes it exactly. I've overwritten models with new shape keys, UVs, additional meshes, weights, etc, without issue but I think the problem might be with things that change the vertex order like decimation.

[harsh saddle]

Are you using a humanoid rig? There should be a warning about that in the builder if not.

[spiral sigil]

yes i am and at this point idek what ima do with this

i spent like 14 hours on this

and i am getting little to no where

any shot u could do this and if so what would u quote it at

[harsh saddle]

Post a screenshot of the builder when you go to publish and if you go into the rig part of the inspector with the model selected in the hierarchy, you can get into configuration, what does that look like?

[harsh saddle]

I don't have a ton of time and I wouldn't recommend commissioning someone here, google VRC traders if you want to go that route.

[trail python]

i have the time but taidum needs both people to own the avatar to do commissions

[spiral sigil]

okay

and whats ur quote

[trail python]

uhh well

[spiral sigil]

i dmed u

[trail python]

naw naw im doing it for free, he bought the model lmfao

dw

[void lintel]

Fixing one annoyance at a time, this time i thought i'd finally tackle the "square-ish" hands of my nardo. I hate it when you ball your fists and the hand just looks like a sqare.
I may need to alter the pinky a bit more, squeeze it a little (or resize it to make the bottom a little rounder) but overall its a nice improvement over the original

[spiral sigil]

Hands are hard

I sympathize with our future AI overlords there

[trail python]

wait squarish nardo hands

now i gotta compare the default, ah shit

[spiral sigil]

kekw

😆

[void lintel]

A normal hand usually has index and ring finger starting slightly sooner and ending shorter than the middle finger, the pinky is usually the furthest back and the shortest on top of that

nardo's hands are almost square, they start almost all at the same height and only the finger length is different

also the pinky looks off, it looks like it was just haphazardly attached, the hand kinda extends from handjoint to the pinky and simply gets wider

its not extremely bad it just something that has always been kinda annoying when doing hand gestures, they all make the hand look really squareish

compared to a rex hand for instance, the worst offender of a perfectly square hand tho are Yeens

i really really dislike the yeen hands...

[golden lynx]

Why do these verts want to go to the opposite side?

[jagged moat]

think you need to turn of clipping to put them on the right side

[golden lynx]

Ok makes sense. Where do I disable the tools I don't need?

[balmy linden]

As a first time blender user how do i actually mold the 3d cube

[quaint jasper]

You would be looking for Blender sculpting tutorials

[void lintel]

Finally got around to make a comparison for my hands:

Old (Left), new (Right)

[void lintel]

New (Left), old (Right)

[fleet turtle]

next step is to set this up on a mini avi and rig it with its own animations as a follower that offers cookies

[spiral sigil]

This looks like the surface of an alien world

Still might be a tasty cookie

Raisins though....bruh

[trail python]

i thought those were chocolate chips lmfaoo

[spiral sigil]

The glassyness and rough cloud displacement of them seems more like rasind

[red glade]

Bonus points for the people who know the styling inspiration for this fit

[quaint jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-f-raisins-angry-what-the-fuck-gif-15445109

[fleet turtle]

as they are delightful to me, i never did say it was gonna be the best cookie

[spiral sigil]

I have high hopes to finish her by next weekend. Work work work.

eew...my phone ruined the video

There's my 60 frames

[flint patrol]

Fuck you

Plush

[spiral sigil]

Cute plushie

[flint patrol]

I posted it on another server and got sent this

[spiral sigil]

OMG

That’s not a lazy edit either its pretty good

[flint patrol]

It's not pretty good

You know exactly what the jar is for

[spiral sigil]

For storing things, obviously

[flint patrol]

Right

[raw ravine]

hiii sorry if this is the wrong channel but any time i check the visemes on this head the head goes down to 0,0,0 ever tho the bones and the fbx are in the correct position on the body, when i imported the head it was also at 0,0,0, any ideas how to stop it from going down?

(please reply w/ ping if u can help pls, i have this server muted <3)

[quaint jasper]

Did you apply the face mesh's transforms ?

[raw ravine]

i did yeah

in the end i copied the transforms from the basis to every single viseme manually :,)

[quaint jasper]

Oh God

I think the easier way would have been to make your sil shapekey into your new Basis

[spiral sigil]

Shapekeys are fun

[orchid isle]

hi dose anyone know how to make anime skin but its procedural texturing

[quaint jasper]

Do you have an example of what you're trying to make ?

[orchid isle]

making a avi for a friend and im not good with just texturing so im trying to do it with just nodes in blender

and iv been suck on how to make anime skin like on the ref and so id be able to port it to unity but iv been stuck for days and im kinda just losen my mind

[quaint jasper]

When you say skin, you're trying to mean avatar, or skin texture ?

For that pattern you can just probably find a seamless texture on google image and apply to your clothing UVs

[orchid isle]

skin texture? idk all ik is that when it comes to texturing models im not great

[quaint jasper]

If you look for avatar tutorials, you'll find a lot of things, but if you use terms like "skin" and "avi", you won't find much because they're different things

[glad bronze]

You can't port procedural blender materials to anything else. You have to bake the various texture maps and recreate the material in unity. Basically make the blender material in whatever way you can, bake the needed texture maps (albedo and probably roughness), port the model to unity, take your texture maps and put them on a shader of your choice (poiyomi will do great), apply the shader to the mesh in unity and it should work.

[quaint jasper]

You can absolutely bake down a produrally generated texture in Blender onto a texture to use in Unity

Bit of an involved process though

[spiral sigil]

If you have nothing else, you can always apply a base color plus ambient occlusion to the body to make a rough and basic texture.

Really though, this style is usually painted by hand though.

[quaint jasper]

AO on anime models

[swift jolt]

Some workbench and some eevee viewport screenshots. I have no idea if its possible to even make it look this nice in unity later 🥲

[spiral sigil]

Not ideal, but it you use color ramps and such it's passable for bodies. Less so on heads.

Early on, I tried just about everything except hand texturing, because I lacked confidence and experience.

In my opinion though, even a C- level of hand texturing looks better.

[worthy silo]

this is probably an insanely stupid question but i'm second guessing myself. Flat subdivided faces shouldn't see any benefits to baking or texture quality versus a standard quad, when I export to unity, correcto?

[spiral sigil]

Not really that I can think of

More what you might use before sculpting

[worthy silo]

tyty

[swift jolt]

Depending on how lowpoly some faces might have some warping in both blender and unity but that should never be a problem unless you make something thats like… ps1 level lowpoly

[trail python]

what would you guys say is worse, weight painting or uv unwrapping

[marsh timber]

Hai there! Quite new to blender. I tried sculpting a female version in Blender but I couldn't get it looking just right so I bought an asset for this . But they don't merge verry well with the avatar so I want to smoothen them and make them blend/fade better. I think I need to merge the objects togethjer then use sculpting to smoothen them together. How do I go about this?

New to blender so don't judge >///<

[void lintel]

Ultimately you would have been better off starting with the Fara Rex (which already has good boobs), you could have also yoinked them from the Fara Rex too, would be kinda the same amount of work with whats to come.
You can merge it by selecting both (boobs first, body second) then right-click "Join" (CTRL + J), next step would be cutting out the chestplate of your rex and grafting in the boobs by manually connecting vertices from the boobs to the body and thats still the easy part. Now the hard part is going to be the UV Map, assuming you want to continue using the Rex UV you'll have to manually unwrap the boobs and make them fit into the old UV space where the chest plate was, thats by far the most time consuming.

Note tho the Fara Rex has a completely new UV Map so Rex textures don't work with it unless you bake them from the base rex to the fara rex via texture projected baking

[cursive summit]

I tried installing the CATS plugin from the official github page and it gave me this error

[void lintel]

You are probably using Blender 3.2+

you will need to go to the CATS plugin discord

and get the latest one, the git version is not compatible with Blender 3.2 and up

[cursive summit]

ah i see, thank you

[void lintel]

Also note the Fara Rex does not have feathers nor the normal tail.

[azure rain]

which I suppose helps having it not be a bajillion polygons

[marsh timber]

Where can I find Fara Rex? This is the only thing I can find on Gumroad

[trail python]

doesnt it say in the description

[void lintel]

Yea that should be it

[void lintel]

Also haha yea....

I'm happy my Rex is a fallback.

but yea if you wanna have boobs on your Rex, the Fara is a pretty good starting point

[spiral sigil]

Booba doggos seem to be popular around the old 3D modeling water cooler these days.

[trail python]

the original rex model is notorious for having poor topo so i don't blame em

[azure rain]

and also a homophobe the original Rex Avatar maker so definitely better to look elsewhere for Rexes

[trail python]

oh yea i forgot about the religious zealotry

[spiral sigil]

Homophobic furry doesn't compute

[azure rain]

I know I'm honestly baffled

[marsh timber]

why wont it auto weight paint? m

[ashen stag]

Usually caused by intersecting geometry, automatic weightpainting works best on water tight meshes

[sinful beacon]

Are avatar creators using some kind of weight painting tool? I spend hour’s/ days weight painting on one piece of clothing and it’s still trash in vr.

[trail python]

https://youtu.be/yr5KRYz5ybs i use mesh data transfer and then clean it up after

[sinful beacon]

Ty

[spiral sigil]

Just hours of weight painting and pain

It gets faster though and less painful

[austere tusk]

Why isn’t unity showing up in the hun for vr chat

But the file is on my computer and keeps opening

[trail spruce]

me vibing with the https://hirozu.gumroad.com/l/Rezuium

[flint patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/907707870999642152/1127230444929286144/2023-07-08_10-29-15.mp4

Physis

[spiral sigil]

You could do a jar and fluid sim

[solar fossil]

[jagged moat]

[spiral sigil]

[lost panther]

Heyo all! Please help LMAO I'm new to Blender and while weight painting I've seen that when I did automatic weight paints weird vertices have been painted. 'This is normal' I thought and tried subtracting. Despite this, nothing seems to be subtracting and they seem stuck with a value

[trail python]

first problem is auto weighting at all but you change the weight value at the upper left

[lost panther]

The weight value during that whole section is 100% though and I'm on subtract mode

Also LMAO yeah

Only good for desperate measures

[trail python]

you dont use subtract

stay on mixed but change the weight value

[trail python]

this is a better alternative to auto weights

[lost panther]

I tried the mixed but it's still not removing. It removes on pre-weighted areas but not the affected virtises

[trail python]

mix, weight 0 doesn't work?

[lost panther]

Nope

Ill make a vid

[trail python]

gonna be real with you, thats weird af

i mean if you're able to get the model pre-auto weight paint it might not have that issue

im sure someone else will come along and be pedantic or whatever🤓 but ive only ever had problems with auto'ing

also i notice this is for a rexium and usually clothing for them comes pre-rigged so (if all the bones are the same between armature) all you'd have to do is delete the armature and then parent the clothing back to the original armature

[lost panther]

I know! I re-imported the FBX and supprisingly it wasn't! I had that idea to transer the weights between armatures but it didn't 😭

Thanks for the help anyway!!

[flint patrol]

i
i have these

[lusty void]

Anyone else having trouble using CATS with blender 3.6?

[trail python]

need to use the dev version

https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip

[tawny pollen]

I spent more time working on Anakin's Lightsaber with a few upscales to give it that realistic look

[tawny pollen]

I don't know, didn't try it yet

[jagged moat]

what size maps / tri count is it? looks good

[tawny pollen]

thanks

hold on

24,502 tris

the edit I'm trying to do for this lightsaber is to reflect that of the original prop

by giving it that hyper realistic feel

[jagged moat]

ah right

[tawny pollen]

it's given a lot of detail within the model

[tawny pollen]

36,320 tris

this will be an avatar

[spiral sigil]

Can't wait to see a lightsaber turned into an avatar. Kind of curious how that will work.