avatar-rigging

[kind mortar]

They probably clip into the ground because the bones are not set correctly in the feet, maybe they are too high?

[sleek radish]

I have a very weird rig, and want some suggestions on how to fix a single significant issue with it.
The issue is, shoulder drop. My avatar's shoulders sink pretty severely when I'm in a resting position.
I'm unsure what's causing it, but I suspect it may be my arm length, or something related.
Does anyone have experience with similar issues, and if so, what helped resolve it?

The clavicle parts pictured at the bottom of this image should be nearly level/flat in this image, but sink significantly below ideal levels.

It's not as bad as it was, but I'm chasing a few possible causes and if there's an easy fix, I'd prefer it.

[pulsar rain]

need some help rigging a character.... well once I've got hair and clothes on it

[queen cloud]

That would probably be due to the how the shoulder bone is positioned in the armature itself. Not sure if editing the skeleton to reposition the shoulder bones would work but if you have the means to I'd suggest trying it.

On another note, I have some characters with flat, cartoony eyes. Anyone know how one might go about setting eye tracking for non-spherical eyes? VRchat uses a rotating bone to control eye movement, which works fine for spheres but not so much for anything else.

[fervent hornet]

If you put the eye bone way back behind the head and rotate it a small degree then it will look more like translation instead of rotation

Youre basically enlarging the circumference of the eye rotation circle

[queen cloud]

I did actually consider that haha. Hopefully that won't affect the size of the avatar's bounding box though.

[fervent hornet]

Bounding box is for meshes so having bones out there shouldnt make it larger, you can always manually edit your bounding box if it does

[queen cloud]

Ah nice. Also what does the bounding box do anyway? I have a few avatars that are normal sized but have larger than average BBs because they got looooong arms

[fervent hornet]

The bounding box is what tells other people to render you, if any part of the bounding box is inside the FOV of someone else, they will render you

The bounding box needs to encompass the area that you can possibly be in at any point in time, having long arms means that the range of where you can be is much larger

[queen cloud]

Ah, okay

[sleek radish]

You can also use shapekeys for 3.0

You can set shapekeys for look direction, and they'll tween as best they can.

(IIRC, I may have that mixed up with another feature.)

[sage patio]

you can't use shape keys for look direction

only bones

for eyelids, you can pick bones or blendshapes

[blissful thunder]

tfw texture paint broke

genuine pain when your texture paint broke so you cant texture your avatar you're making

or maybe its the thing im trying to paint thats broken

cause its working with the default cube

uhh

i need help

how do i get my custom avatar things to work

do i need a custom world to use the avatar

[sage patio]

no, you just go to the Avatar tab in your menu

if you uploaded custom avatars, they will be under "My creations"

if you uploaded a model but it's not showing up, you used the wrong unity version

[craggy cradle]

hello i need help with the eye riggin on my avatar. The model uses 2 spheres as eyes and i got 2 bones for each eye. L and R. When i create eye tracking with CATS the bones are created but when i rotate them the eye kinda warps and flattens and doesnt keep its sphere shape. how to fix this?

[sage patio]

simple, don't use CATS eye tracking

not relevant here lol

just have each eye weighed to their respective bones

nothing else to it

[craggy cradle]

ah ok

[craggy cradle]

so now the eyes roll back and rotates when i try to fix the eye tracking in unity

[kindred pollen]

make sure the eye bone is facing straight up, not forward o:

[blissful thunder]

but then how do i upload a model

[sage patio]

through Unity using the VRChat SDK

[blissful thunder]

thx

[craggy cradle]

The bones are now in the center of each eye and is upright. But they now become rotated and cross.eyed

does it have to be named right?

Heres how it looks

maybe the eye bones are rotated wrong aswell?

[kindred pollen]

make sure that they're facing up in Blender and that their rotations are applied, not in Unity

[crisp tendon]

Did you clear your bone rolls ?

[kindred pollen]

^ that too o:

[crisp tendon]

Alt + R in edit mode

[craggy cradle]

ill try rotating the bones. also the bone rolls

Ok that fixed it. Thank you very much.

[fast cipher]

Does anyone know how to fix the upper arms of an avatar from rolling along their Y axis when you stretch your hands out to max distance? Looks like an IK issue, but I am not sure which adjustment the rig needs to avoid this particular one.

[sage patio]

@fast cipher try lowering your User real height in your in game settings

[fast cipher]

That is only hiding the issue by making your arms not be able to reach far enough to stretch out the arms to max. There should be a rig fix, since some avatars do it, and others do not.

[thin terrace]

It's almost certainly bone roll, but I'm not sure what it wants exactly. You can easily make it worse by making the bone roll more wrong

Also seems to happen more with A pose avatars than T pose, so you could try changing the base pose

[fading verge]

for the weight painting between the legs and hip, should i have the leg clip straight through the hip area more or have it curve/fold in?

[fast cipher]

@thin terrace I found a booth avatar that I own, that doesn't have the issue, so I am now copying the pose/rolls, to see if that fixes it. This also involves setting a new rest pose from A to T.

@fading verge I'm not great at weight painting that area, but I can say that if you want to know what the 'best' look would be, that would be using additional bones to push the skin out correctly using a driver, and then using a rotation constraint in Unity to force the same driver functionality within Unity/VRC. I've seen this done to great effect, though I haven't used it myself yet.

[crisp tendon]

Additional bones is the best solution, but trickier to create, i'd suggest larger gradients on leg and hip bone

[fading verge]

so much work. pain

[fading verge]

i think i got most of the basic weight painting down anyway, ill just leave it a little scuffed and fix it later with constraints

[magic spruce]

Should I level out a shoulder bone that looks like this?

having issues with the arm rotating in FBT

would it be better to fix this particular rotation in pose mode? If it needs to be fixed

[buoyant badge]

hello , i need some help with blendshapes, in unity, they will work in scene mode, but in game mode they dont work, and i cant change them. Im using SDK 3.0

[buoyant badge]

i also just found out, i can change my mouth blendshapes but nothing to do with eyes

[warm pendant]

almost certainly a problem with the animator logic
#avatar-help might be more useful a resource than this channel

[buoyant badge]

thank you, i tried but no one responded i was forceed to use 2.0 for blendshapes to work

[warm pendant]

you might want to use ComboGestureExpressions to make all the blendshape logic instead of programming it manually
https://github.com/hai-vr/combo-gesture-expressions-av3

[buoyant badge]

is there a manual i dont know how to use that lmao

[warm pendant]

https://hai-vr.github.io/combo-gesture-expressions-av3/

[verbal nest]

Seeing if anyone with a bit more know-how can help me out with this, was wondering how I'd tackle removing this crease from my shoulder. Pictured are the weights for my shoulder and arm bones.

Was wondering if the problem lied in my arm weights or shoulder weight

[steady patio]

both really

[warm pendant]

modeling for animation is a bit different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RGi706rQN4

[steady patio]

your shoulder is the only one that has control over verts that should share control between shoulder and arm

[verbal nest]

Thanks for the help folks, I'll be sure to check out the vid when I'm home

[verbal nest]

I got it looking good enough™️ by weight painting the arm to have control of a bit more

[thin terrace]

that's a useful video. I've never seen a modeling topology narrated by an airplane pilot mid-flight

[sharp grove]

i have a question about character rigging, i have a robot character model that is made up of individual parts, is it possible to bind said parts to specific bones on the rig?

[sage patio]

you'd just weigh each limb to its respective bone with weight 1 for every vertex

rather than having a smooth falloff

[sharp grove]

ok, how do i do that?

im new to this.

[sage patio]

does your model already have bones?

[sharp grove]

i have the rig, but i don't know how to bind the parts to the specific bones like the head or neck, as i said the model is made of separate parts, not one solid mesh.

[sage patio]

you should definitely consider joining every mesh later

the weights will end up being the same if you keep each mesh separate or all joined together.

having them separate makes the process of weight painting a little easier

[sharp grove]

ok, but will this keep the parts from warping when i try to move them? i keep having problems with the mesh crumpling up like paper when i move a bone.

[sage patio]

let me guess, you tried to use Automatic weights?

[sharp grove]

yeah.

[sage patio]

that is really meant for organic models. near joints, there will be a gradient in weights

where 1 is full influence, and 0 is none

you literally want every piece to have weight 1

for the corresponding bone

and not be weighed to any other bone

[sharp grove]

alright then, now for the fingers, the tips and middle segments bind just fine but the third one keeps binding to the middle bone.

[sage patio]

the word "bind" has literally no meaning here

the way you get parts of a mesh to move with an armature is by assigning vertices in that mesh to Vertex groups. if a bone shares a name with a vertex group, then moving said bone will have the effect of displacing every vertex in that group, proportional to the weight given to each vertex

[sharp grove]

ok, that helps.

thank you this has really got me going the right direction.

[sage patio]

👍

one additional note: to make sure that the mesh can actually deform with an armature, the mesh needs to be parented to said armature, and needs an Armature modifier on it, with the "Object" field has the correct armature selected

[sharp grove]

ok it was going great but now im hitting roadblocks. would anyone be willing to help?

[clear drift]

what in the world does this mean

[sage patio]

did you set the rig type to humanoid when you imported the model?

[clear drift]

uhhhhhhhhh i have no idea what that means so i guess i didnt

[sage patio]

kinda (very) important

after doing that, click Configure and make sure that every bone was correctly assigned

Unity tries to do it automatically but it's not always perfect

[clear drift]

its ok but some of the bones are placed wrong, is there a way to fix that

excuse my noob this is my first time doin this ;w;

[clear drift]

its also still doesnt recognize it as a humanoid rig

[fading verge]

Go to the root of the avatar in the hiarchy and if you see that you have an "animator(removed)" and a "animator", this is why its not registering and what you need to do is delete the avatar from the hiarchy and redrag it in

Now there will only be one animator component that ISNT broken

[steady cedar]

How do I fix the issue where exporting a model to FBX from Blender actually moves the object somewhere else, in Blender?

Also how am I supposed to use multiple objects without them appearing in the wrong place in-game?

Actually it moves even when I save and reload the .blend file

Oh wait

I had a keyframe set by accident

I think that's the issue

[late helm]

I have a problem with one of my 3D models. The mesh does not correctly follow the skeleton. Can someone help me?

[steady cedar]

I do have a question: is it okay to have an object with multiple armatures for different parts?

The main humanoid parts are all in a single armature, but there are additional parts I want to animate as well

[sage patio]

@steady cedar they can still be part of the same armature

[fading verge]

what are all those arrow things for?

might be related to that

[late helm]

nop

already tried with and without them.

each bone is influencing more than it should.

that and the head bone.

and as if the weight or mesh were defective.

I'm going to try to install another version of blender to see what happens.

[sage patio]

the bones are not what dictate which parts of the mesh deform

what actually matters is the weight painting, aka which vertices are assigned to which vertex groups

if a vertex is part of a vertex group with shares a name with a bone, then moving said bone will drag along vertices in that group, proportional to their weight to that group

[late helm]

both in the altomatico and in the manual, the mesh painting is deformed.

no other model of mine had ever presented this type of problem.

[steady cedar]

I set external acceleration on a Cloth component, but it's applying in world space rather than local space. How do I make it accelerate in a direction relative to my orientation?

So like, always to my left or something

I hope this is the right channel; I couldn't find the general avatar creation help channel. (Just ones for 2 and 3 specifically, whereas I don't think my question applies to either more than the other)

[steady cedar]

I thought I tried that and it said the rig wouldn't work for Humanoid or something along those lines. Do they need to be in the same armature?

[sage patio]

I don't know if having multiple armatures in the same model works or not. what I can tell you, is that you can animate extra bones in the same armature in the Gesture layer

for example: ears, tail

[shrewd fox]

Does anyone know of any other way to stop a tshirt clipping? I tried scaling it to a bigger size and also data transfer and it barely helps. Does anyone have any different solutions?

[sage patio]

people will tell you that it's bad practice but I do it anyway; you can make a shape key on the body that shrinks the body in the parts that are covered up by the shirt

prevents clipping pretty much entirely

[shrewd fox]

Ok I’ll see if I can figure out how to do that and see if it works. I just started getting into avatar creating about a week ago and it’s been pure hell so far

[sage patio]

starting out is always like that for everyone 👍

[shrewd fox]

Thanks, definitely appreciate it

[glacial gale]

can someone help me please

im trying to Rig but it dont works

the head dont moves with the rig

[glacial gale]

nothing

can i call u pls?

[tulip root]

?

[glacial gale]

i will not be bad

like a direct

just for showing

im not gonna speak

[tulip root]

Well that was very straight forward XD

[glacial gale]

im trying this since 3 hours : )

[tulip root]

Currently im in call with someone unfortunately so I cannot exactly leave her alone can I? Shes sleepin so you know 😛 Just try to show your issue.

[glacial gale]

goddamn

k

[glacial gale]

can u join a meet call tho?

in google

[tulip root]

Just show me a picture of how the head aint following.

[glacial gale]

damn

k

good?

[tulip root]

🙂

Now to show me how the head aint following

[glacial gale]

afk

[tulip root]

Click "connectado" and add "neck" to the tiny little screen.

To the "superior" window

[glacial gale]

nothin

@tulip root

the head dont moves

[tulip root]

Look.Picture

Fix

[glacial gale]

i did it

[clear drift]

i wish i knew what this means :(

[fading verge]

Well fortunately for you I can tell you

[clear drift]

gasp

[fading verge]

what is being circled and pointed to is the ROOT of the avatar

it is what contains everything the avatar is

its what has the VRC_AvatarDescriptor script attached to it as a component

thats also where the Animator would be attached

when you select the ROOT and it highlights blue, you can go to the right panel (the inspector) and scroll through the various components on it

If you could do that now and screenshot all the components for me and send them here that would be great

[clear drift]

i gotchu

[fading verge]

YES its the exact problem I thought it was

delete the root and redrag the avatar model in from the Project's tab (its where all the folders are in the bottom)

then show me that exact same thing again

[fading verge]

PERFECT

now just do everything like normal

add the descriptor

DONT add another animator

[clear drift]

o heck

[fading verge]

if you did you better delete the root again

but yeah now it should register as a humanoid model by the VRCSDK

as long as you actually set the animation type to humanoid in the exporter settings on the model

[clear drift]

this has also simultaneously helped me discover another problem i had on accident
that camera there is messing with stuff in vrc as well

and i cant delete it

[fading verge]

ah yeah so you should delete the default camera and lights in blender prior to importing it to unity

but whateverrr it doesnt seem like you can so I guess we have to unpack it

click the root, right click it and unpack prefab completely

then it will let you delete things

[clear drift]

youre a livesaver

[fading verge]

Ehhh I am leading you down a path of horrible blender and unity pain so I wouldn't say that exactly

[clear drift]

i mean whatever fixes my issues lmao

[fading verge]

Magic

[rigid jackal]

Hey so is there a good video on how to make custom avatars I’m super new to this

[clear drift]

plenty, youtube is real good

[vivid carbon]

You should also be able to just uncheck the Camera and Light import for the FBX

instead of unpacking prefab and deleting in unity

[clear drift]

its still not animating :(

and its somehow absolutely massive

[fading verge]

its stuck in a tpose still?

[clear drift]

yep

[fading verge]

it is recognized as a humanoid rig by the VRCSDK??

[clear drift]

yep

at least i think so

[fading verge]

wtf its not giving a warning

hm

check here for me that its actually humanoid

make sure that you are changing the right model, you might be setting the wrong one to humanoid and not realise it

[fading verge]

go into configure

right near the humanoid button thingy stuff

show me whats there

should open a menu with a bunch of green circles

[clear drift]

?

[fading verge]

go to the head section

[fading verge]

wtff

ok do this for me and show me it all

[fading verge]

bruh

ok last few things

click the root of your avatar and show me if at the bottom of the vrc_avatardescriptor script it says humanoid or non-humanoid

[clear drift]

i dont see that anywhere, unless im lookin in the wrong place

[fading verge]

well thats not good

[vivid carbon]

That looks like SDK2

[fading verge]

wait does the error of it being over 5m tall does that stop it from using vrchats animating system

or is that just a suggestio

[clear drift]

uhhh

[fading verge]

well time to see

so spawn in a default unity cube

[clear drift]

wha

[vivid carbon]

First go back to this and click on Model instead of Rig, what does the scale show

[vivid carbon]

Good, now do what X3417 is getting you to do

[rigid jackal]

I know this may sound weird but where should I start if I want to make an avatar or a mii?

[clear drift]

i cant find the thing that makes the cube

[fading verge]

this is assuming your scale is all 1,1,1 too

[clear drift]

i am: blind

[fading verge]

oh so right click where the menu generated

in the first ss

[clear drift]

oh!

[vivid carbon]

scene hierarchy

[clear drift]

uh

[fading verge]

.

[clear drift]

is

is there a way to scale it down LMAO

[fading verge]

click on the root of your avatar, "r" key to scale

[vivid carbon]

Depends on what you are wanting to do, if you want to start from scratch, learn how to make 3d models in Blender or some other 3D modeling program, then learn how to texture, and learn how to rig. If you want to take an existing model and get it into VRChat, it depends on where it comes from and what its already got in it

[fading verge]

use the white cube where the xyz of the thingy meets to scale it

so its proportional

[vivid carbon]

I think the general best thing is to change the import scale instead of it's size in scene, but that doesn't matter with an unpacked prefab since import settings are no longer going to be connected

[fading verge]

yeah thats the more formal way to do things

[clear drift]

crying he feels so small now

but that should be. average.

[vivid carbon]

and you should just always uncheck Camera and Lights, makes things easier if you are silly and don't remove them in blender before export

[clear drift]

oh yeah i learned that the hard way in my first test

[vivid carbon]

now that you have scaled it down, check the SDK panel for the size warning

[clear drift]

its gone!

im not worried about the fbt error

yeah its still stuck. but at least its not massive?

[vivid carbon]

Is there a reason you are using SDK2 over SDK3

[clear drift]

thats just what i was told to get

should i try sdk3?

[fading verge]

ur friends telling you that are dum

yes

sdk2 is old and not being updated

[vivid carbon]

it's being updated as much as needed so people who don't want to switch can still upload, but it isn't getting new features

[fading verge]

yes it might be simpler to learn but you are going to make it harder on yourself to learn sdk3 which you will need to do eventually when sdk2 phases out for good

[clear drift]

whatever helps with my issues lmao

[vivid carbon]

that day can't come soon enough

[clear drift]

do i just remove sdk2 from assets and bring in 3? or is there a process

also i appreciate yall helpin, i wouldve gave up ages ago

[vivid carbon]

do what this says as well as removing the SDK2 folder #avatar-help message

if you are on mobile discord, that link might not actually take you to where I want

and make sure to remove the avatar descriptor from your avatar because it won't be valid anymore

[clear drift]

this is all correct yes?

[fading verge]

looks good

OH WAIT

in the animator component, there is a controller in there, just set that to none

keep the avatar in there tho

to set it to none click the funny dot and circle button to the right of the bar and type gibberish and none will be the only thing that comes up then u select tht

[clear drift]

ye i found the none

i

its

its still not

[fading verge]

your avatar is cursed my guy

or gal

[clear drift]

guy

like i notice it shimmies and "adjusts" when i move my mouse but its just. t-posed

[fading verge]

it might be because it just doesnt really work with vrchats default animation system because of how the avatar is

or might be realted to that hip bone error

do you have VR?

[clear drift]

yeah

[fading verge]

try it in vr

[rigid jackal]

For quest what makes an avatar be able to be enabled by default instead of hidden?

[clear drift]

still tposed

[mild stratus]

It has to be medium or better for everyone guaranteed, and poor or better for most

[rigid jackal]

What does medium, poor and better mean? The file size? Sorry I don’t understand : /

I’m guessing it means the detail or poly count overall

[clear drift]

yep

[mild stratus]

Read this: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system
Quick side note: on Quest, max 10mb upload size for avatar

[rigid jackal]

Ok

[mild stratus]

Bigger sizes will let you upload, but no one will see it at all

[rigid jackal]

So if I want to make an avatar I should aim to get better so it will appear on quest 2 correct?

[fading verge]

YES always in everyway you can

[clear drift]

im gonna make a less complicated model and see if its just blueberry it hates

[fading verge]

often it can get difficult optimizing polygon count if the model is really detailed in the first place but not really any excuses for a lot of meshs and materials

[rigid jackal]

So this is just a ref drawing but do you think this could be in the very good category if I turned it into a 3D model, or would sacrifices have to be made

Also I’m bad with fingers : /

[mild stratus]

I don't think much would need to be sacrificed, it's very simple, and would work well for an avatar (especially one that's optimised)

[clear drift]

yeah ^

[mild stratus]

And it looks good!

[rigid jackal]

I have no idea where to start but I guess I’ll look up a blender tutorial for now

[mild stratus]

Help for modelling is more available in #3d-modeling

[rigid jackal]

Ok tnx

[clear drift]

i just the spore creature creator cause im not that smart with modeling

[steady cedar]

I added six new bones to a model, and now I'm getting this error. Those bones all branch out from the Head. Now I'm getting this error, whereas an older copy of the model without those extra bones doesn't give me the error. I checked the hierarchy and the bone assignments, and the only issue I can see is that there's another (unused) bone between the UpperChest and the Neck, but that's the case for both versions of the model.

What's going on here?

[sage patio]

when you import an FBX and set it to humanoid, Unity tries to guess which bones are part of the humanoid rig

it's not a perfect system

[steady cedar]

I checked the assignments though

The only difference I noticed was that it detected two of the new bones as eyes, but I removed that association and it's still giving me the error

Hold on, let me compare the assignments side by side

Wait, never mind; I see the issue

Turned out the thing I mentioned wasn't the case in both versions of the model

I thought I checked both but I guess I was mistaken

[sage patio]

kek

[clear drift]

trying again since discord thought my image was explicit
im trying to use a "simplier" version to see if i messed up with my original somewhere down the line
rn im giving this dude bones. how would i make the mouth move?

this is how its suppost to move (from the game the model came from)

[mild stratus]

You would likely use shapekeys/blendshapes/visemes to achieve that.

[clear drift]

would that work with vrc/translate to unity?

[mild stratus]

Yes, it's the recommended way to do lipsync in VRChat

[clear drift]

oh! thank you

[paper stump]

Hello, how do I rig a chest?

[fading verge]

With a pc

[tulip root]

2 ways:
Lazy way: Mixamo
Normal human way: pose your character in a weird pose where you see the parts that need to go to the chest. Set weights to 0.4-0.6 and paint on the chest bone.

Heres the lazy way: https://www.mixamo.com/#/

[paper stump]

Thanks, and how do I do the lazy way?

Like, I'm signed up, but what now?

[tulip root]

import your fbx to the program

[paper stump]

I know, but which animation?

[tulip root]

you dont need an animation

if youve done that step then just click download and youre done

Do not add an animation

if you did then re-do the steps

Youre there to download the rig, not the animation.

[paper stump]

So I simply upload my Avatar a nd then download it?

[tulip root]

yes after rigging it

the instructions on the website are rather clear

[paper stump]

Well, where do I find the instructions? I only see animations & avatars

[tulip root]

upload your model in there. then you rig it and after that you click download

[paper stump]

Yes, but how do I rig it after uploading it?

[tulip root]

Did you delete your previous rig?

Ignore the absolute mess of this... Im doing the 256 poly/texture challenge but yea... It gives you this window. I personally had already rigged this manually but I deleted the rig just for you.

Click next and then it gives you a tutorial

[paper stump]

Nice thanks, so I have to delete my rig on the model?

[tulip root]

yes

mixamo makes a new one

[paper stump]

Well, how do I delete a Model rig?

[tulip root]

blender. x. delete

[paper stump]

Thanks now I can rig on that website

[tulip root]

good

[paper stump]

Is it normal that the Avatar turns insanely big after deleting the rig?

[tulip root]

yes

[paper stump]

I deleted these yellow whatever things

Then this happened

[tulip root]

Normal but im more shook that Mixamo gave you leaf bones or whatever they were called.

Before anything you need to unlink the pose or animation

[paper stump]

Oh they didn't give me that, I deleted that and then that happened

[paper stump]

Avatar works now, thanks for all the help

[steady cedar]

How exactly does the Dynamic Bone support work on a technical level? Where does the game load the Dynamic Bone script from?

Same with the other whitelisted assets

[fervent hornet]

VRChat uses it's own scripts that replace yours upon upload. You can use an empty filler script (correct name and position but empty) and it will still function in game

[steady cedar]

That's what I was going to ask.

I saw people saying there's no (permitted) way to get Dynamic Bones in an avatar without buying that asset, but that seems like a pretty good solution.

[fervent hornet]

Using a filler script would work, but would make it difficult to get the parameters correct

[steady cedar]

You mean cause you couldn't test it in the Unity editor?

[fervent hornet]

Correct

[steady cedar]

Are those filler scripts included in the SDK?

[fervent hornet]

No

[steady cedar]

I guess they might conflict with the actual script if the avatar creator is using that

[fervent hornet]

You would have to make your own, as well as make it support the correct parameters to be changed in game

Are you aware of the physics bone update coming soonTM?

[steady cedar]

No

But aren't there filler scripts I can download from somewhere? I imagine someone would have made them.

[fervent hornet]

Dynamic bones will be replaced in less than a month with vrchats own free system (if they hit their release date)

I wouldnt know where to find any sort of filler script, I just know its possible to use them

[steady cedar]

Could still be useful for other whitelisted assets, or for Dynamic Bone if someone wants to avoid waiting or buying it

Thanks for explaining.

[fervent hornet]

The only other whitelisted script is Final IK which one of my friends has made a legal placeholder script for

VRChat cant really do that as since their a company, it kinda comes with more restrictions than an individual

In the long term, there will no longer be any purchasable third party scripts for users, so there is no need for the devs to take steps to support them

[steady cedar]

Has the Final IK placeholder script been uploaded anywhere? If your friend is okay with it, you or they ought to share it here.

[fervent hornet]

Are you even planning on using Final IK? There is no point in having the placeholder script if you dont plan on using the functionality

[thin terrace]

what is this 256 poly/texture challenge?

[fervent hornet]

Make a model with at most 256 polygons that uses a texture that is at most 256 pixels

[thin terrace]

256 or 256x256?

[tulip root]

ye

[thin terrace]

btw nice work on that cape w/o constraints, looked good

[fervent hornet]

I think 256x256 because otherwise its 16x16 and that would be less than a minecraft skin

[thin terrace]

oh is this #256fes ?

[fervent hornet]

There are a bunch of examples on twitter with that hashtag yeah

[tulip root]

Cape? You mean the Quest poncho? This one? IF you meant this then I improved it a bit from here. Interesting enough I got the entire model to be 9974 tris. Still a lot more to go though. It actually looks passable now in game BUT im not happy with it just yet. Where did you see this? 😵‍💫 I dont remember sharing any avatar progress stuff in here.

[tulip root]

the texture one is actually optional but im gonna go with it just because.

[steady cedar]

No; I was asking more for the sake of others who would find it useful. (Or for me, if I ever have a need for it.)

[thin terrace]

it was in scrollback somewhere, I thought it was here

[fervent hornet]

Here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/Voxian, he has a discord about Final IK if you nee more info on the stand in script

[tulip root]

Oh... Well heres the updated version. I feel like ive made it look more fabric now so it actually looks like the real deal when bending one way or another. Had someone test it out in full body as well (After they had full on violated my whole existence on VRC by doing the most inappropriate moves with it. I have regrets I can tell you that much). The butt makes me sad though but im getting that fixed sooner or later. Feels kinda nice to be working on my own stuff for a bit even though im only making this because my Quest friends havent seen me in this avatar yet. 😛

Also I think you might have seen it in HS then.

Unfortunately there is nothing I can do about the rotation that is caused from you rotating your wrists in VRC but maybe in the future I figure something out for that. (shown in the lowest middle picture)

[fervent hornet]

Yeah without constraints youre control is very limited

[tulip root]

Tbh im kinda glad I went with a poncho for the Quest model. It truly has given me a challenge but im happy about it. Next up ill be figuring out how to fix this clipping issue without showing missing meshes on the sides. Talked with Octuplex about this since he made the Momo poncho and he was all like "there will be clipping since no constraints" and im just like "we see about dat". I mean sure Momos model has some clipping too but I want to perfect mine to the point that I wont be bothered by it and if you know me I get bothered easily so this will be a wip for a looooooong time.

[fervent hornet]

I still can't believe quest doesnt have constraints lmao

[tulip root]

But yea I think I cracked the code on a normal humanoid avatar on how to make the poncho fold etc on the sides when putting your arms to your sides. What I did was make 8 extra bones on back and front. Upper ones are parented to chest and lower ones to hips. Then you add minor weights there.

[clear drift]

uh, am i not able to use two bones for the same thing? couldve sworn i could. everything brokey

[fierce grail]

No, you can't use one bone twice anywhere in rig config.

Also that rig is not compatible with VRChat, you can only have one hip bone.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390924372782612480/857200376842027028/Humanoid_Rig_VRChat.png

[clear drift]

oh. is that why my original model refused to animate as well

[fading verge]

can sum1 help me rig an avatar

idk how

[queen cloud]

What’s your avatar?

[fading verge]

like a chibi/funko pop looking one

[queen cloud]

If you send me the model I can rig it for you. Or if you want to learn it for yourself there are a lot of great Blender tutorials for rigging on YouTube!

[cosmic cliff]

can u help rig for me

[queen cloud]

Yeah, send me the model

[vapid rune]

Some weird stuff is happening with the head on my model. Does anyone have any idea what the problem could be?

[fading verge]

probably not weightpainted correctly ig

I can only understand by seeing movement of individual bones being rotated so

[queen cloud]

Yeah looks like it's following the rotation of the hip. Either the head has somehow accidentally been weighted to the hips, or more likely, it hasn't been weight painted to any bone and is following the hip as a root bone. In any case you're gonna wanna make sure the head mesh is entirely weight painted to the head bone.

If you aren't sure how to do it, send me the blender file and I'll do it for ya.

[orchid echo]

@fast cipher did you get help in this? IK issues with arms can usually be helped a lot by making the avatar's elbow joint closer to being in a straight line between its shoulder and hand, only offset very slightly in the direction the joint should be. I fixed a huge chunk of my lingering arm IK issues by nudging my elbow joint more into alignment in this way.

[fast cipher]

@orchid echo Thanks for the input. I just tried greatly lowering the angle, but this did not seem to make a difference.

[buoyant badge]

i need a little help with my blender textures, for some reason my skin is brighter then my face, i've used this texture a bunch of times and i KNOW its not this shade, any suggestions?

[fading verge]

your face texture is using BSDF or whatever with an image texture right?

or is it MMDShaderDev

either way it looks like you have extra coloring ontop of your texture if that makes sense

[upbeat ore]

anyone worked with final IK before?
my FABRIK works in unity , but not ingame?

[buoyant badge]

im sot sure where do i check?

[fading verge]

Pretend im clicking the face mesh, go here and show me all of this

the stuff at the bottom right scrolled all the way up should be enough infomation for me

[sturdy musk]

can anyone helpo with blender everytime i use cats this happens when i try and join armatures

[crisp tendon]

Apply poses and transforms before you merge

[sturdy musk]

ah yes that was the issue thankyou

[nocturne spoke]

Can anyone give me some help for why my weight painting won't subtract? I am in draw mode with weight 0, and all my modifiers except the armature modifier have been applied

(my selection before weight paint)

[fading verge]

Is draw supposed to subtract typically at weight 0??

Pretty sure the "Subtract" brush exists for

yknow

what you want to do here

[nocturne spoke]

yes, draw does subtract when weight 0 is applied, at least for this part. However, it does not work on the other part shown. I have also verified that the subtract brush (with weight 1) does not work

the subtract brush only erases this section, then stops working

[crisp tendon]

Make sure you don't have double vertices

[nocturne spoke]

I already did that (if this is what you are referring to), same behavior

[crisp tendon]

Same behavior with a gradient ?

[nocturne spoke]

No, it actually modifies the problem area

Not a lot of control with it though

[crisp tendon]

Given the amount of geometry you're working with, you might get away with assigning weight manually to vertices directly

[nocturne spoke]

what about for something like this? I want to make the red hook part green like the stuff around it, but it refuses to cooperate with weight paint (like the arm). As far as I can tell, you can't give individual vertexes a nice gradient

it seems like this weight option would modify the weight of the entire bone, not the selected parts

I select these vertices, bump their weight down, and select others, and the weight is still modified

[paper osprey]

Alright so when it comes to modeling I'm pretty knowledgeable but, for clothes rigging not so much.

What should I do for the waist, no weight from the legs or is there a better way

[sage patio]

just transfer weights from the body directly

in object mode, click the body mesh, shift click the target mesh, then switch to weight painting mode
then, do Weights >Transfer weights
set the mode to "Nearest Face Interpolated"
set Source layers to "By name"
set destination layers to "All layers"
then if you have CATS installed, hit "Delete: Zero weight groups" under Model options > More options

[paper osprey]

I was thinking about that but won't it have some weird stretching on the back side

[sage patio]

you can always manually tweak stuff afterwards

[paper osprey]

Alright, I'll give it a try, I wish Maya had an cats plug-in. I could never learn blender

[sage patio]

should definitely try learning blender, not that hard

[paper osprey]

I've used 3ds max and Maya so much that it's hard to switch and to me more user friendly even though to most say it's the opposite

[buoyant badge]

Im having some problems with a hoodie im trying to make from scratch with cloth sewing, the video im watching the hoodie stays on the arms and doesn't move or jiggle, but mine cracks breaks, and starts flowing up in the air

[gloomy rapids]

i have an issue that when i crouch, one of my avatar's knees would bend outward while the other knee would bend forward just fine. could it be my bone roll?

[crisp tendon]

How does your pattern look like ?

[buoyant badge]

My vertexes?

[crisp tendon]

Make sure your legs aren't totally straight, and clear roll before export

[crisp tendon]

No, your sewing pattern

[buoyant badge]

ill show you

[crisp tendon]

your cloth is already colliding with your mesh

look at the hands

[buoyant badge]

oh

[gloomy rapids]

what do you mean by not totally straight? i know they need a slight forward bend, but is there something else im missing?

and the roll is already 0

[crisp tendon]

That's what i was referring to, feel free to show your armature if you're unsure

[gloomy rapids]

here it is from the front and side

[crisp tendon]

Ah, they would also need to be straight from top to bottom

in this case yours bend inward

[gloomy rapids]

i dont think i understand

the bones are bent forward to ensure they dont bend back. is there something else i need to do to keep the knees straight too?

[crisp tendon]

sorry, from the front

[upper yoke]

How am I supposed to set the bone rolls for the fingers, I have them set up to straight fold on the axis properly in Blender, but this seems to result in twisted fingers Unity,

But then I notice that one other characters (which I was having trouble posing in Blender) has mangled finger bones in Blender, but works closely enough in VRC

What are the bone rolls supposed to be aligned with?

[thin terrace]

draw will subtract from a child if you paint on a parent and auto normalize is on

[fading verge]

Does it like subtract more easily than the standard subtract tool or is it just an equal alternative

[thin terrace]

a lot of times it's just easier to ctrl click the parent bone and move some weight back. also easier to see what you're doing if you're doing it with the model in an extreme pose

[crude bone]

somesone can rig/fix a avatar?

is Steve from eight under house

i converted this but bone look messy

here there is the original model, but is make with maya (downlod available)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQNLaKURKM

on unity:

the eyes are messed and bone/rig too i think

i would be glad if somesone will fix/optimize it

[queen cloud]

Yeah I can do that. I’ll start it when I get home

[ivory oyster]

guys I don't know why but ingame when I look down with my avatar on Vrchat he begin to float and when I look up he touch the floor

[crude bone]

Thank you, tag me when you do something

[ivory oyster]

well can you help me with that cause I really don't know what to do

[crude bone]

Mmm it looj like this also on unity?

[crude bone]

Thank you, tag me when you do something

[queen cloud]

Did you configure the armature in unity after assigning it a humanoid rig type? Unity might have mistakenly got some of the bones mixed up, that’s my best guess.

[crude bone]

that happened to me, the default pose was animation pose and avatar was messed

i used pumpkin tool for fix it

using restore pose option

[ivory oyster]

everything is well mapped I double checked

[cunning hatch]

anyone here knows if it's possible to allow brows tracking? This model is originally designed for VRChat (KON MODEL SUPREMACY!!) , but I exported it to VRM so I can use it with Vseeface for vtuber stuff

as you can see here, theres no blendshape for brows up or brows down

[upper yoke]

What tool is this?

[cunning hatch]

oo, its Unity

[upper yoke]

No, like the specifc "BlendShapeCIip" panel, how do I get that? and I'm guessing it automates adding animation clips for Blendshapes?

Oh, it's part of the VRM importer, UniVRM.

[tawdry dragon]

Hey guys! Maybe this channel could help. I am trying to attach clothes to my main avatar in blender. Both got amature. I am unable to connect them, so the pants move with the legs. It's not working. And how would it work without the rig in the pants if needed. I don't want to re rig everything again.

[sturdy musk]

pretty new to blender any help for this?

[crisp tendon]

Select the body bones in weight paint mode and > automatic weight paint

[sturdy musk]

how dop yiu select?

[sturdy musk]

i dont see a way to select bones in weight paint mode? am i missing something

[crisp tendon]

In object mode you'd have to select the armature then shift select the body mesh and then ctrl + tab

[sturdy musk]

like this?

[crisp tendon]

Yep, now you can select multiple bones

[sturdy musk]

is it weights>assign automatic from bones?

[crisp tendon]

yep

[sturdy musk]

hmm it seems worse now

[crisp tendon]

Did it actually succeed or did you get a warning ?

[sturdy musk]

it succeeded i think

let me undo and try again

[sturdy musk]

is the vertex group correct?

[crisp tendon]

You'd need to be on the vertex group page

[sturdy musk]

hmm this legs working fine

the other one isnt

[crisp tendon]

Are you sure your bones are named correctly ?

[sturdy musk]

im so new to this that i have no clue

how do i check?

[crisp tendon]

Select the armature and go in edit mode

[sturdy musk]

ok now what?

[crisp tendon]

Check the leg bone names

[sturdy musk]

they seem nromal

accept for one in the chest called tshirt

[crisp tendon]

Alright, so it's just a specific bone that fucks it up, and it's probably the tshirt bone

[sturdy musk]

its this one here

[crisp tendon]

Yeah, can you check that one in weight paint mode

[sturdy musk]

this?

[crisp tendon]

yes, that would be the issue

[sturdy musk]

how do i fix?

[crisp tendon]

Delete it, since you won't need it

[sturdy musk]

the whole bone?

[crisp tendon]

yep

[sturdy musk]

ok i did that it still seems to be in the vertex group which is strrange

[crisp tendon]

That's ok, there's an upside down > button you can click which has Remove Unused Vertex Groups function

[sturdy musk]

do ido that for every item?

[sturdy musk]

hmm wont seem to let me remove either

[crisp tendon]

If you're not seeing this then it might already be removed

Make sure your bones in the torso aren't called tshirt

[sturdy musk]

deffo not called tshirtbut its still ther ein the vertex groups

[crisp tendon]

Hopefully shouldn't matter since the bone doesn't exist

[sturdy musk]

i think somethings gone very wrong here.

a lot of things called tshirt

[crisp tendon]

What are those from ?

[sturdy musk]

i literally dunno

[sturdy musk]

ugh maybe i should start again LMAO what even are they?

i have used a lot of data transfer

is that the issue?

[crisp tendon]

That could be, i'm not entirely sure

But with the remaining armature and mesh, you should be good now

[crude bone]

any idea how to fix this?

[fervent hornet]

Bones are organized in unity via name, if you have other bones that are not humanoid, make sure their names are alphabetically after the main humanoid bone there

[robust crescent]

Have a script for it, never remember where it is, you can sort bones in unity with 1 click, does not break prefab

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/silenttools

[crude bone]

yeah tried that right now, errors gone

[robust crescent]

Just vrchat / unity? wants bones to be in a certain order, or wierdness can happen , most of the time it wont

[crude bone]

yeah just vrchat

i gonna test

the problems is the wrist that become weird when you rotate it

amazing

it fixed it

[robust crescent]

oh yeh if it folds in on itself, you want the order correct

[crude bone]

ity was a imported dbd model and was a little weird about riging

like all blended fingers

now is perfect

[upper yoke]

Does anyone know where I can find the right info on rigging fingers? My bone rolls are wrong, but I'm not sure how to fix them besides trial and error.

[thin terrace]

look at a working model. turn on the axis display on the bones and look at what axis finger bones want to bend on (probably x?) and make your model like that. to make yours match, select all of the finger bones, set the roll on the active one, and then there's a menu command that will propagate that to all the selected ones

also make sure all joints of the finger are slightly bent in the direction you want fingers to bend

which should be around whatever the bend axis is

[tawdry dragon]

So i added a coat & used Auto-Rig. Now i got this problem.

The front shouldnt move. I will check every Vertix Group and maybe repaint them. I hope this will fix it

[sleek radish]

https://youtu.be/8mFA0yoCM_o use this. You will be able to more effectively see the issue.

I suggest you make this part of your presets, it works wonders.

[upper yoke]

Thanks, I took away the slight bend a while ago, I'll try adding that back. I'd already tried everything you suggested before that.

Also, could someone send me what their rolls look like on a model that works perfectly? I don't have one that doesn't have this issue to some degree.

[sleek radish]

Guessing you have your fingers bending sideways?

The way the humanoid rig works is that it assumes a tpose, and uses whatever the nearest axis to that pose would be, as its axis for rotation.

If your hands are not planar to the "floor" in the humanoid rig, it will do horrible things.

You can manipulate the rig and the pose by shifting bones in the humanoid rig wizard

I had to do that for my own avatar, the results are significant.

[cerulean temple]

I'm very new to weight painting and I'm kinda just guessing for stuff. I'm in school but do you think later someone could look at my model some and tell me if I messed it up while fixing it?

The rig and model are from a game but the model was revised alot and it has some weight painting issues that I'm fixing

When I walk in game my head kinda wobbles, mainly when my character walks backwards

I had to weight paint the head myself cause the head legit had none.

(please @ or reply if you talk to me so I get a noti)

[upper yoke]

Year, ever so slightly, just enough to look terrible

[upper yoke]

This makes sense, thanks!

Is there a way to mirror the pose in the humanoid avatar editor?

[cerulean temple]

I think it might be the neck. Might check the weight painting once I get home

[sleek radish]

If there is, I haven't found it.

Sadly

Just get them as close as the same as you can.

[upper yoke]

Go into edit mode, switch to Vertex mode by pressing 1, then click on a vertex on the head and see what other vertex groups it's in. You can set up a geometry nodes script to automatically fix these issues, I'll share mine when I'm out of class.

[upper yoke]

;-;
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[cerulean temple]

The main issue I have now is just the head not shrinking all the way to invisible and the head kinda wobbling when walking

[sleek radish]

Ah

You have something else weighted to the head.

There is a vertex group that is affecting the head, normally it'll be something like a body or root or chest.

That will also cause your head to shrink when you twist or turn your head in the mirror.

[cerulean temple]

That's what happened before I clicked a setting

[sleek radish]

yep

[cerulean temple]

I'll look into it then

I already had to fix a little bit of the back of his head being weight painted to his shoulder

[sleek radish]

Also, make a custom gradient for weight paint. It's a lifesaver.

[cerulean temple]

I'll look into that

[sleek radish]

It's my number 1 reccomendation for people doing any kind of rigging.

[cerulean temple]

I'm in class rn

[sleek radish]

Yeye

[cerulean temple]

I was planning to add more features, bones in ears, and a blendshape for talking. But I want to fix these before doing that

Trying my best not to complain to the original modeler. The other models have more issues

The models were made for a $5 steam game programmed by the drummer of the band it's about

[steady patio]

should probably ask them whats up with that

they probably have a reason for why the head verts are weighted elsewhere for their original use case

or it could be a genuine mistake

in which case the worst that could happen would be either harmless or dumb

[cerulean temple]

The dude said the model went through alot of revisions

The fingers also had weight painting issues

[tawdry dragon]

So my mixamorig works fine. But the left foot does not move with the bone. Vertex groups are all there. How can i connect the bone the foot/shoe? I tried ctrl+p and everything, but still having issues

[thin terrace]

foot is either not parented (it's a separate mesh) or it's not weighted (vertex groups could be there, but with 0 weight)

[tawdry dragon]

So it is parented. The weights also looking good. Let me check one more time.

Everything works, but not the left foot 😩

Also i assigned them in edit mode

While walking the left foots position is kinda of. I want to use fbt.

[brisk terrace]

I have a model that seems to tilt backward or bend their knees a lot , how do i resolve this ?

[cerulean temple]

Where's your viewpoint?

I'd check that first cause I've had it do similar behavior if not moved to a good spot.

[brisk terrace]

its at the same spot i normally put it in, on the bridge of the nose

[cerulean temple]

Maybe see what happens if you put it in further. I've had to do that for some avatars for some reason.

[brisk terrace]

further in, up , forward?

[cerulean temple]

Further in

[brisk terrace]

ok, ill try but i think its the actual bone placement... not sure

[sour seal]

does anyone know what this is

i have no idea how to fix this

[fading verge]

Do you have a controller attached in your avatar's animator component?

were you just recording animations and forgot to tick off preview in the top left of the animator tab?

[sour seal]

the head is backwards and some other random rigging bugs

i have no idea what the issue is

i cant just twist them round since the head is still broken and the arms are weird

[inner granite]

Anyone know how to pull an avatar from vr chat to add some custom animations? For example: adding a sitting down animation when you actually sit down IRL.

[tulip root]

erm.... Thats called ripping avatars and if youre not the maker you should not attempt that 😅

Even if you are you still shouldnt

[inner granite]

Ah, apologies. Still new to the avatar thing. What about adding that animation to my own creation then?

[tulip root]

If you find said animation that you want then sure

But please. Never ever ever rip avatars.

[last prism]

Hi I've got a bit of a question

I'm trying to do my face rigs right now by using Blender's shape keys

It's not mirroring over the shape keys even though my model is symmetrical?

I went through a ton of pain last night resymmetrizing everything so I'm really confused as to why it isn't working... could there be another reason why it's not mirroring shape keys?

[glass pelican]

help? newbie here, adjusted armature and weight, seems fine but in vrc looks like this

these are the bonesi adjusted

im not sure what the problem is

[crisp tendon]

Adjusted how ?

[glass pelican]

the chest bone was too small while spine and hips were larger, the chest had no weight assigned which caused movement problems in game along with wonky weighting

the weight and bones seem fine after adjusting, i can grab a photo of the weights if needed

[crisp tendon]

yes pls

[glass pelican]

hips

spine

chest

the chest didnt have avertex group when i started

[crisp tendon]

You don't want the belt to share any weight with the spine

check your shoulders/neck

[glass pelican]

neck is fine shoulders need adjusting tho

[crisp tendon]

You can use the levels for weigth paint and reduce its reach and intensity

[glass pelican]

ahh-?

i usually just use subtract and add, is that what you mean?

[crisp tendon]

There's a weight menu, top left, Levels is a feature

[glass pelican]

clicking it does nothing

[crisp tendon]

You have to adjust the levels in the window that pops up bottom left

[glass pelican]

got it, only problem is when switching to another weight group and using the slider it puts e back on the other one

[crisp tendon]

[glass pelican]

😂

running a test upload, lets hope for a fix

aaaGH

[crisp tendon]

Kinda odd that your spine bone would do this when it's barely moving

I guess select a vertex in edit mode in your stomach area and look into the Item panel on the right to see which vertex groups it's part of

might be weight painted to something else entirely

[velvet frigate]

I wonder if it has to do with the humanoid rig options, it looks like the neck is squishing down into the chest and the shoulders as well? Is the model properly mapped with chest and spine etc?

Could be a parenting issue as well

[glass pelican]

i dont see anything out of the ordinary in rig

[crisp tendon]

good point, i didn't notice the collar also going in

[velvet frigate]

They seem to be parented correctly then

[glass pelican]

im so confused on what could be causing the issue

[velvet frigate]

Have you checked the rig in Unity?

Make sure the bones are correctly mapped

[velvet frigate]

Honestly I almost never get Blender's shape keys to mirror. Even on symmetrical meshes, it's almost like it has to have a mirror modifier to work properly

[glass pelican]

looks fin

fine*

[last prism]

Oh noooo 😭

thats okay then.. good to know it isnt just me haha

[glass pelican]

usually i just grab both sides where i can to sort of mirror

and then eyeball the rest 😂

[velvet frigate]

I gave up trying to mirror. I eyeball everything

I'm pretty baffled on your issue still Zipper

[glass pelican]

so am IIiii

could it be an issue with unity 2018?

i just had that thought

[velvet frigate]

Oh, could be

[glass pelican]

Ive never had any issuesbefore so my whole group was like "2018 until we cant" since its never caused probs

[velvet frigate]

It's worth a shot to try 2019

[glass pelican]

guess ive gotta download and learn 2019 😂

shouldnt be too different

[velvet frigate]

I honestly think your issue lies in Unity, it seems good in Blender

It's not much different, it's really just the UI color and some icon changes

[glass pelican]

Am i able to put my old project in? sorta swap em out?

or do i have to start fresh?

[velvet frigate]

I was able to open up my old projects in 2019

I'd make a copy though, in case you need to go back to 2018

[glass pelican]

i dont have unity hub, i thought i did but guess i dont. can someone provide me a download link so i do it right?

[velvet frigate]

https://unity3d.com/unity/whats-new/2019.4.29

[crisp tendon]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2021.3.2/docs/migrating-from-2018-lts-to-2019-lts

It's not a unity version issue though

[glass pelican]

no?

I imported the new sdk into old unity as directed and now my sdk options are gone, is this correct?

[acoustic bison]

am i able to add another list of parameters to a singular avatar

[cerulean temple]

Im still having the head appear, even after trying to fix it

I used my avatars playspace mover to show the head when it's supposed to be invisible VS when it's not

[robust crescent]

if you move avatar with an animation xyz , your head can show up, nothing you can do about that unless you actually use playspace mover (vr),you arent moving the viewpoint

[cerulean temple]

No but my head is there always

I show, when it's small on this one is when it would shrink to 0 on my others

[cerulean temple]

The head shows up always, it just shrinks a little instead of going away

Like it clips into my view in VR

[upper yoke]

@cerulean temple If you go to edit mode in vertex select mode, and pick a vertex, you can see what vertex groups it in the Item tab of the properties sidebar.

[cerulean temple]

I see

[upper yoke]

Do you have an undecimated version of the model? That's only going to hurt you a lot while rigging this.

[cerulean temple]

Yes but it's got alot more issues

I can seperate the meshes again

[upper yoke]

What kind of issues? That those will likely be easier to fix than trying to work with the decimated one.

Never decimate anything you plan on using bones to rig.

[cerulean temple]

It's already rigged

It was rigged before I decimated

[upper yoke]

Decimate will ruin things, it tends to make it much much harder to fix issues like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS_03N-e1h4

[cerulean temple]

I did alot of work on this version

I hate myself aaaa

[upper yoke]

No, this is part of the learning process, you might be able to get away with decimated topology this time, but you probably won't again. Also, if you do all this stuff over again, you'll get more practice doing it.

[cerulean temple]

im going to bed

[steady patio]

if it ends up causing you too many problems

your model doesn't look like it would be difficult to do retopology on

if youve never done it before this would be a good learning experience

[cerulean temple]

i hurt my hand hitting my desk lmao so im typing one handed

[steady patio]

just so that way you dont have to live with uh

[cerulean temple]

gonna go to bed

[steady patio]

cool low poly triangle backgrounds for windows 10 1920x1080 desktop

tomorrow, after you sleep

[cerulean temple]

The head is doing the squash and stretch when moving head again

fuck

[upper yoke]

Try this in the morning:
Weight Paint the head properly and then go to the menu bar, Weights > Normalize All and choose Deforms Only and Lock Active:

And here's a link to this message so you can get to it later: #avatar-rigging message

It doesn't actually do anything on this character because I have the weird automated weight painting thing going on, but it's mostly doing the same thing in the node tree, except it's been a while since I wrote it and I don't complete understand it anymore.

[cerulean temple]

I fixed it by selecting something

I don't remember rn

I'm kinda stupid and I think I hit like a bad spot in my wrist cause my hand still hurts

[upper yoke]

Ah, I remember doing that a lot when I was starting out

Put ice on it maybe?

[cerulean temple]

Probably

goodnight

[upper yoke]

gn

[paper pawn]

Does this wrist rigging look right? My Avatar's arms in-game are the perfect length when putting my hands out to my sides, but are too short when reaching up and too long when reaching down. It's like my shoulders are in the wrong place

so in hindsight i don't really see why it would be the wrist lol

but any leads would be dope. Booting up any random model, my arm length is perfect

so it makes me think there is some design rule/formula to follow to make things line up, but idk what it is

[glass pelican]

still no fix, heres a better photo of the damage

everything below the neck and arms seems to be tugging upwards

[crisp tendon]

Did you check the weight paint of the other bones ?

[sleek isle]

Funny thing I ever seen about rigging beside slender men stretching

[fading verge]

can someone help me upload something

well my pc doesn’t have space

[cerulean temple]

Weird

Does doing enforce t-pose help?

[buoyant elm]

I do not know where to do this

[cerulean temple]

I think it's there but I don't know if it'll help

[buoyant elm]

Well, after that, the red inscriptions with errors disappeared, but the pose did not change)

[cerulean temple]

ah ok

That's why I said I didn't if it would help

In Blender it looks fine?

[crisp tendon]

Apply your pose and then apply all transforms before exporting

[buoyant elm]

Yes, I'll try

[cerulean temple]

Is that set as the rest pose?

[buoyant elm]

Oh, I fixed everything, but I still didn't understand how)

[cerulean temple]

Nice

Unity may have just been being stupid

Every program likes to break for no reason sometimes :)

[buoyant elm]

Oh, yes, unity and I haven't been getting along well for several years now)

[hasty quarry]

ok figured i'd try moving this here bc i'm getting zero feedback in the general help channel and this seems more fitting, but has anyone else had the problem of visemes only not working client side, but working for everyone else?

like, i've even tested this with a friend, even when we're both using the same avatar, we can see each other's mouths moving, but not our own

i've been trying to figure this out for like 4 days and it's driving me absolutely insane

[fading verge]

Having issues with my Halo Reach avatar not being humanoid.

but i dont know how to rig ;(

[cerulean temple]

If it's rigged and stuff you should be able to just make it humanoid

[fading verge]

its rigged and i have the blend file, but its directly from Reach

[cerulean temple]

Did you fix model with CATS?

[fading verge]

It might not be autoconfiguring correctly because of the way the armature bones are named

[fading verge]

Click on your model in the projects tab, and in the inspector menu go to rig, are there any errors there?

make sure the animation type IS set to humanoid, not generic or none or legacy

[fading verge]

Thanks! really helped! @fading verge

[fading verge]

Oh nice you didn't have to go through configuration hell

no problem I love the thumbs up picture

[cerulean temple]

Would be interesting in knowing how you got the model tbh

Halo Reach has alot of nostalgia for me

[runic juniper]

hey, I was wondering if it's possible to rig and use a unity3d file? and if it is possible does anyone knows of anyone who would be willing to do such a thing for me or if there are any good tutorials for newbs?

[weak sigil]

how do i fix this cursed jaw

[crisp tendon]

unmap the jaw in the humanoid configuration menu, the one where you t-pose the character in Unity

[weak sigil]

ok thank you

[steady patio]

what exactly is it youre trying to do? @frail sentinel

[ivory oyster]

Guys I don't know why but my lip sync doesn't work anymore even thought it's in my avatar sdk

[cerulean temple]

does your avatar have a toggle to disable it?

the system i use has one

[glass pelican]

help?

[ivory oyster]

I have a toggle to change my avatar skin but not to disable it

[cerulean temple]

intresting

i have no idea then, I have not done such a thing before

[ivory oyster]

well that was that

I remove the toggles and now my mouth move

ty man 😄

[steady loom]

Yo guys,
Is there a way to have a bone constraint or something similar that allows a bone to rotate along one axis to follow the direction of another?

I've had this working in Blender for a while, but I'm brand new to Unity and don't know the limits of Unity for VRChat yet. So does anyone know how this would be done in unity for VRChat?

[sage patio]

hm, interesting problem

I could see this being solved with IK

having having 2 bone chains; one that is unweighed and used in the rig mapping (the one that will move)

and the other one that has the weights, and is driven by an IK solver like a CCDIK

it would essentially follow a target which would be placed at the end of the last thumb bone

then to make it stay in a 2D plane, you would add Hinge Rotation Limits

a similar thing could maybe be done using constraints aswell

[steady loom]

How do you apply constraints to a bone? If they're anything like in blender that should be roughly what I'm looking for?

[sage patio]

you won't be able to add constraints to bones which are already being used in the rig config

Unity constraints are used to copy transforms from one object to another. this can be done either through Rotation contraints, Position contraints, Parent constraints, Scale constraints, or Aim constraints

[steady loom]

I don't need to have the connector bone in the same chain. Both the base thumb bone and the connector can be parented to the wrist, with only the thumb base, mid and end bones being used by the humanoid hands thing. If i understand it correctly, that should work?

[limpid apex]

idk this right place but there no vrchatSDK

[crisp tendon]

You're using an outdated version of Unity

[limpid apex]

wich one i need

[summer owl]

The newest I suppose

[steady loom]

not the newest

you want 2019.4.26f1

[limpid apex]

wait the newest or not the new wich year and version

[summer owl]

Interested into why the 2019.4 specifically

[steady loom]

that's the one that VRChat says on the website, and it works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid apex]

there a recmented one for 2020

[summer owl]

I just assumed that was the newest version I’ve been using that

[steady loom]

if you go too far forward or backward you'll probably have compatability issues? idk, i picked it up for the first time today lol

[limpid apex]

vr chat told me this 2019.4.29 will that matter

[steady loom]

use that one,

[summer owl]

Then yeah go with that

I’m sure they know the compatibility issues with their game the best lol

[steady loom]

can confirm it works, ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid apex]

what this? i rest it

[steady loom]

looks like a "just ignore" issue to me

[limpid apex]

ok now there bunch of ticks for things wich are the main things i need

[steady loom]

I just have android, and that seems to work fine? I think that's what you need for quest compatability

[river nebula]

how do i fix the eye in blender

[crisp tendon]

How do the bones look like in Blender

[river nebula]

look straight

[fading verge]

Do you have Eye Tracking enabled in the Avatar Descriptor?

[river nebula]

im still new to making characther

[fading verge]

Check the 4 preview states and make sure the states are normal and not like doing thaattt

[fading verge]

oh so do you know where the avatar descriptor is?

[river nebula]

no

im in blender checkin

[fading verge]

Checking what?

[river nebula]

the eye

somebody tell me to make the bones to set it to look up

[fading verge]

Ive seen that before not sure if its good practice or not

[crisp tendon]

An image is worth a thousand words

[fading verge]

I need to know if you even have Eye Look, so select the root of the avatar in the hierarchy (left panel), then look at the right panel and find the Avatar Descriptor and then look for the catagory "eye look" and screenshot that for me

If it is on you can either:
1.) Disable it
or
2.) Make sure the correct bones are selected, and check that the 5 (not 4 my bad) preview states work by just clicking the preview button and looking at the model

If Eye Look is not on and this is happening then you are probably messing something up in blender

[river nebula]

yep i missing something in the blender

the eye was looking up

[fading verge]

thankfully it was that simple

[river nebula]

thx man for the help

[fading verge]

tell Q/A god to leak the database of fixes

[fluid surge]

I rigged this avatar with mixamo and the right (left in first person) shoulder ends up like this... anyone know how to fix it?

only happens when i use full body

[thin terrace]

did you mess with the "muscles" tab of the avatar import?

[fluid surge]

no i didnt

[thin terrace]

in that case I'd inspect the model in blender and make sure everything that's similar (e.g. shoulders in this case) is symmetrical

[fluid surge]

k

[fluid surge]

everything looks good but i'm still having issues, any other suggestions?

[thin terrace]

someone else already pointed you at the main video. double check everything here https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/rig-requirements (starting at the top, not at full-body). after that it's just trial and error unfortunately

[indigo nest]

It could be that the model is in a T Pose when you inspect it, so the arm is further up in blender. I would let others try the model and see if they have the same problem

[fluid surge]

it seems to only be a full body thing, because all of my friends on quest and stuff tried it and it works great

[thin terrace]

Full body uses a considerably different setup so it's not uncommon to have bugs specific to that. could also be your arms are way longer than the model's arms (proportionally) and it's struggling to get your hand that low

[fluid surge]

that could be it, i'll be sure to try adjusting the height and stuff

[queen cloud]

Is there any way to get Unity to ~not~ ignore bones that are between humanoid transforms? My character has a long, flexible neck that requires at least two bones to move decently but Unity really said sorry girls one neck bone only uwu

[steady loom]

As far as i'm aware, you'd need a non-skinned single bone for the avatar to use, and have an IK constraint to have your skinned neck (with multiple bones) follow the single bone

So, 2 seperate bone chains

[sleek radish]

^^

[frail sentinel]

Oh my godd

Why is my unity SO FUCKING SLOW

And its on all projects

Wtf

[queen cloud]

Interesting, I sort of get what you're saying, but I am having difficulty visualising it in my head. If I used this system, would I be able to also have an IK constraint that keeps the head in place while the rest of the body moves (like the 'steadycam' head that most birds have)?

If it makes any difference, the avatar looks like this so the physiology is a little unconventional as far as avatars go

[cerulean temple]

I've never seen an avatar in VRChat like that tbh

So that seems very difficult

I've had issues with avatars who's head is a bit too forward (Evangelion Unit-00) so I would imagine that would also be an issue with this avatar

But I guess it also depends on how big it's gonna be

[queen cloud]

She's only about 1.5 metres high, and I am working on replacing all the default animations with custom ones, but even that is tricky because the front feet wanna be hands and animate weirdly. Also, when she is idle, the front feet clip through the ground and the back feet are positioned far forward. Huh.

[livid ginkgo]

If you guys had to rate how hard it is to learn and make a nice looking avatar 1 out of 10 with ten being it is absolute hell

[queen cloud]

Depends on your previous knowledge of 3D modelling/rigging.

I'd rate it about a 5 as someone who already knew how to model and rig in Blender but knew nothing about Unity.

[livid ginkgo]

Thank you for ur knowledge

[steady loom]

I was thinking something like this. The yellow bone (and the 2 behind it) track to the end of the one outlined in blue, forming an IK chain. the one in blue would be the one in the "humanoid avatar" in unity and the ones in the IK chain would be the ones actually skinned to the mesh

[queen cloud]

Ah got it, thanks! I'll try it and see how it goes.

[steady loom]

I have no idea if it'll work so lemme know, I'm a blender artist and i've dealt with UE4 a lot, but unity is new to me too

[queen cloud]

So I actually managed to get it done a little differently. The little yellow bone sticking out from the base of the neck is the true 'rig' neck that I have added for unity purposes. When the head was parented to it however, I couldn't move the neck in and out without the head awkwardly staying in place. My solution was to add a 'copy location' modifier to the head, targeted at the neck IK controller (The highlighted bone) and that has pretty much got the rig working perfectly. The constraints probably don't translate to Unity but that's okay because the animations are baked. I've checked and it's working a charm in Unity.

[cerulean temple]

I recommend finding an already rigged model from a game

That's how I learnt to do more and more things

I'm still a beginner but I'm trying to learn how to fix weight painting and stuff

Only issue is some models need just some quick fixes, and others need alot