world-development

[frank shadow]

(which is not my fault)

now im removing huge chunks of the quest upload until it stops lagging

how much was the quest even tested for this update?

[kind leaf]

Open Beta is for us to test. If you didnt contribute? ...I only tested pc lol but my quest upgrades are fine.

[frank shadow]

yeah, how would I even test on quest

1. without having quest
2. was it even possible to test it on quest?

[kind leaf]

The only issue I have with quest is converting 2018 to 2019. If I do a PC upgrade the process is smooth, then I can clone the PC and convert it to quest. But taking a Quest project and upgrading it to 2019 is taking 5+mins per asset:,(

[frank shadow]

thats exactly what I did
I upgraded to PC and did my standard process of porting to quest

[kind leaf]

you made sure your shaders were supported right? Standard lite, low to no particles, etc

[frank shadow]

it worked before the 2019 update

I can completely axe the quest update if I am to not use any emissions etc

had lots of quest visitors

so its not that

[kind leaf]

emissions are fine, but only if you use the correct shaders.

are you using the toolkit?

Install the toolkit, do a half upload. (build & publish but cancel out when you are at the info screen) and then open the debugger in the toolkit. It will tell you if you have the wrong build settings and/or unacceptable shaders.

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit

[frank shadow]

ofc im using it

its not reporting any issues

or rather, it is, but let me repeat myself

everything worked fine on 2018

[kind leaf]

so what does it say?

[frank shadow]

that I am using non-standard shaders? which is expected as it worked in 2018?

the source of issues is in the trees

specifically just the trees

nothing else

I know because I had a set of quest testers rejoin 1000000 times as I was removing objects one by one

[silent night]

Alright, I’m free for the next 25 minutes for anyone who has questions regarding Migration (Ping me).

[bold ibex]

so ive done everything i can i literally cannot make these buttons interactive

im losing my flippin mind

[spark hollow]

I did that now everything in my world is gone (I have backup) what do I do now?

[kind leaf]

library is just an inventory list not the stuff itself. if you deleted just the library that wouldnt happen.

just use the backup and find another solution...

[silent night]

@bold ibex Added a collider to them?

[bold ibex]

yep

the main button is working

and the sub buttons are literally identical and they dont work

so im not even sure wtf is going on

yea i dont understand anymore, this is hurting my brain alot with how confusing this is being

i generally dont know anymore, it literally seems like the buttons just dont want to exist

[silent night]

Re-place the buttons would be the simplest thing, I’m a slash and burn creator~

[bold ibex]

they're in the scene and everything, but i just cant flipping click them

i would make dupes of the main button but i cant even move the texture for some reason

it doesn't make sense

i actually might have to scrap this now because its refusing to function

absolutely nothing i try works

[timber fable]

80 percent of my worlds are now broken by the update.

[bold ibex]

yea my only world i was working on doesn't even function anymore because the buttons absolutely refuse to even exist at interactive objects, they're basically just decoration at this point because i cant get them to be interactive

and its driving me up the wall

the buttons are literally IDENTICAL and its only the master switch that works so i cant get the avatar spawners and such to even work

[timber fable]

The 2019update is a big inconvenience for all content creators

[bold ibex]

yea at this point it seems like it

[frank shadow]

I just wish it was tested better on quest

[bold ibex]

i thought it was gonna be good to have the performance and such but instead we're greeted with everything breaking in worlds

and i dont have my old world anymore

ugh

[green lagoon]

could be worse we could have been going to unity2020

[bold ibex]

oh god no

[green lagoon]

where stuff would break even more

[frank shadow]

looks like unity's trees werent tested at all on quest, they are the source of completely breaking the world

but only after updating the world's SDK

[bold ibex]

yea i actually have to remove the buttons because they dont function anymore

ugh

wait do i need an event system?

nvm

[silent night]

If we went to 2020

I’d commit the dreaded word.

Cuteness sodoku

[frank shadow]

I need a way to convert a unity tree to a solid mesh, and still somehow apply wind to the leaves

anyone knows a way to do it?

unity trees obviously no longer work in 2019 on quest

at all

[bold ibex]

ok yea im done with worlds, the moment i fix the issue INSTANT CRASH from unity and it reverted ALL my work

even tho i kept saving manually

so

screw that

im staying with avatars because thats just bs

[silent night]

@bold ibex Just bap it on the head.

[bold ibex]

i generally cant put up with this kind of bs

[frank shadow]

@silent night not helpful

people are very frustrated with the update

so am I

and it feels like noone can help us

[bold ibex]

it generally seems like this update was made to break the 2.0 world system to force users to udon or something

because thats all its doing for me

[near escarp]

All my 2.0 worlds work correctly after migrating, i would expect you to have followed the guide. If you have unity logs you can send that to the support

[bold ibex]

the world functions perfect in 2018 and i followed the migration stuff exactly yet its just these buttons not being interactive for some reason

[silent night]

@frank shadow Sometimes humor is what I do to try and just cheer people up, relax a little~

[bold ibex]

so im generally just frustrated because i cant tell if its unity or my stupidity

heck the buttons are absolutely identical and yet they dont function correctly

that and the avatar ids were wiped out of the project so the entire reason for the world just got cancelled

being as i dont have those ids anymore

[silent night]

@bold ibex your 2018 stuff should still work though, correct?

Grab the ID’s from that project.

[near escarp]

Can you record your issue ?

[bold ibex]

its not really easy to record it but its easy to explain
i have the main button which can be clicked to enable 6 other buttons that SHOULD be clickable

but for some unknown reason the 6 buttons the main one spawns cannot be clicked

yet their properties and such are absolutely identical

[frank shadow]

I think I know why

[bold ibex]

?

[frank shadow]

they dont have their scripts saved when they are disabled by default, they all need to exist at the moment of the world loading

[bold ibex]

...

[frank shadow]

add a checkbox whether the button should be hidden on spawn as part of your script

and then on start, disable it if checked

I did something similar in my world

now, if you are not using udon, I have no idea how to do this

[bold ibex]

nope

im on the 2.0 system still

i cant get buttons to work in udon for the life of me xD

so i stuck to 2.0 for my avatar world

[silent night]

I

Do purely Udon

Do you need help?

I literally know jack all with 2.0 x’3

udon is stupid easy though.

[bold ibex]

at this rate i might just scrap the buttons and just have everything active at load because no matter what i do i cant get the buttons to be clickable

heck ive literally made dupes of the master button and the dupes dont even function

so its like "wtf"

[silent night]

Very interesting.

But yeah, if you ever want Udon help, it’s stupid easy once you start learning it.

I can set up a mirror toggle in about 1 minute.

[bold ibex]

lmao im used to simple toggle components

[silent night]

Heh x’3

[frank shadow]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/1121-unity-2019-trees-causing-extreme-fps-drops-on-quest-2

had to create a post about my issue

screw that

[halcyon snow]

does anyone know how to fix this?

[marsh sigil]

my buttons dont work in 2019. updated the objectw n buttins work in unity but not in game. are there new button scripts / 2018 ones dont work? new to worlds still

[near escarp]

2.0 ?

[marsh sigil]

3.0

i think

[near escarp]

Which sdk did you download ?

[marsh sigil]

most recent one for 2019

[near escarp]

There's a few

[grave halo]

After migration from unity 2018 to 2019 i've got a lot of errors in console (VRCSDK window is on)

[near escarp]

Those would be Unity errors

[grave halo]

So. How to fix this?

[hard burrow]

After migration to 2019, the Builder page stays empty. I even tried an empty scene with just the VRCWorld prefab, but no dice. Removed the SDK multiple times and adding it back.
On Windows 11 by the way, shouldn't really matter but maybe it's a weird case.

No errors by the way, completely clean

[green lagoon]

do you have VRWorldToolkit installed

[hard burrow]

nope

[green lagoon]

just figured I'd check cuz that was giving the bunch of folks issues

[polar quail]

where is vrctrigger component i cant find it

[halcyon snow]

I am trying upload a world and the upload button does nothing

press it nothing

no errors

[bold ibex]

reimporting the sdk fixes this for me

[hard burrow]

@bold ibex I've reimported 5 times already 😂

[bold ibex]

hmm

well i have another issue to handle, i cant join ANY public worlds currently, its like someone has literal bots going around crashing lobbies repeatedly

[near escarp]

Are you using cyanemu ?

[hard burrow]

Nope I'm not

No Cyanemu, no VRCWorldTools, no shaders besides the standard unity shaders. The only added would be UdonSharp

[sudden crane]

hi all

i guess this is the day1 after update bug galore?

for me chairs/stations don't work with sdk3

using just the prefab for now

[hard burrow]

Okey, it seems to be caused by UdonSharp. So for anyone else; Create a new scene -> Move all the files from UdonSharp including your scripts outside of your project -> Wait for Unity to process this. Check the builder, it should work now. -> Add UdonSharp first -> Add your UdonSharp scripts back. -> Open your real scene. Profit

[marsh sigil]

heck maybe i got the wring one. will check

[knotty portal]

Hey so I'm trying to update my world with Unity 2019 but the SDK is just showing me Utilities > Clear Cache and Playerperfs, any idea as to how to fix this?

[umbral needle]

Hey folks! I'm having trouble updating my worlds to Unity 2019 - I've followed the instructions, but whenever I try to build my world this pops up, pressing ignore seems to cock up the upload (it never manages to pull the existing world information from the VRChat server) and Reload makes it all crash and do nothing, as if I pressed play in Unity

[umbral needle]

Check your Unity console to see if there's any red errors related to a script, this happened to me and it was because one of the scripts in the Unity 2018 Standard Assets didn't compile successfully on 2019, as I wasn't using it I deleted that script and VRCSDK worked again, at least until I faced the other problem I posted above

[halcyon snow]

ok
for some reason the upload UI is not loading in dont destoryonload

and loading in the normal scene

😰

[umbral needle]

Oooh I wonder if that's what's happening to me

[halcyon snow]

what is your issue?

[umbral needle]

Heheh it's just above

#world-development message

[halcyon snow]

i get the same message

i just hit ignore

another scene works fine for me

[unreal kiln]

heyhey, is it possible to remove the preview pictures from avatar pedestals? (udon)

[halcyon snow]

so i might just have something in that scene that is causing my issue

[umbral needle]

ugggggh I really don't wanna have to get all my stuff set up againnnn lol on a new projecttttt

[halcyon snow]

i am the same project

just one scene

my issue is that upload button does not work

[bold ibex]

Can you make it so you can toggle the ground for it to teleport players to an other place in your world? with toggle i mean toggling the ground so i can either teleport on collisions or don't teleport went colliding\

[halcyon snow]

what ya mean

[unreal kiln]

it just looks weird if the preview picture is still there, can someone help me with that?

[halcyon snow]

did you disable the preview

[unreal kiln]

where can you disable it?

[halcyon snow]

let me check after i am done uploading this world

[unreal kiln]

okay

[halcyon snow]

can you show me the pedestal?

[distant gust]

After updating my world to unity 2019 users can’t jump anymore? Any idea why?

I had it configured to allow jumping previous. It’s an SDK3 world

[unreal kiln]

the inspector?

[meager shell]

Hey does anyone know how to work around this, I've tried detaching the blueprint and uploading that and it causes the same issue

[unreal kiln]

i just added the scripts to an cube without an mesh renderer (the pedestal script and the udon behaviour), the picture is just an plane

so it looks like you can click the plane

[random owl]

Please contact support through #vrchat-support

[calm plinth]

Is the Build settings convert from Windows to Android much faster on 2019?
My project switches almost instantly from Windows to Android, Android to Windows (Like 1-2 minutes) compared to 40 minutes in 2018?
Or have I done something wrong

[leaden hazel]

You know you're a real programmer when you treat things working suspiciously well as probably a bug.

[silent night]

This conversion’s been great for some, headache’s for others~

[distant gust]

After updating my world to unity 2019 users can’t jump anymore? Any idea why?

I had it configured to allow jumping previous. It’s an SDK3 world

[silent night]

I know why most likely~

[silent night]

It probably removed the world settings on your VRCWorld prefab

[rigid harness]

(if you watch it it did pick up genshin and my spotify so i would turn the vid down first) when i try to update the world for pc unity wants to crash. ive test built it and made sure everything is working and it all is. i uploaded the same scene for android (quest) and it uploaded just fine, but when i do windows it doesnt want to work.

[junior cloak]

yop, still no way to change the preview image of worlds correctly without having to use a plane or something ?

[polar dawn]

Made a statue for a world idea I’m hopefully going to work on

[distant gust]

It did not. 😕 it is all configured correctly

[thick flint]

it seems that the video player doesn't change volume with world sound after the update, it stays at max all the time. Anyone know of a fix?

[lunar harness]

New VRChat supporting HD Render Pipeline????

[marsh sigil]

how to i made a mirror to walk thru? its like default blocking the way. two-way i suppose im lookin for

[thick flint]

disable the collider?

[green lagoon]

nope and it's unlikely to ever do that because that would require breaking all of the content

[marsh sigil]

omg that was literally it. completely didnt know they came with colliders but honestly just should of presumed a collider is always blockin me -_- thanks a ton

[leaden hazel]

@junior cloak Given it encourages people to actually show what the world looks like, I'm kind of glad it works that way? Plus its not that difficulty to setup a special billboard if you really want one

[true hill]

In the new 2019 unity I cant drag prefabs into my scenes

anyone know if thats a common issue or is it just fucking broken lmao

[near escarp]

Show your screen ?

[true hill]

started with a fresh project etc so shouldnt be any trasnitional stuff

https://i.gyazo.com/701ab639bff8aac4ef20d9766cfdaca5.png

[near escarp]

Floor is a prefab

[true hill]

the prefabs and objects etc have colliders and are static so they should allow me to drag a prefab onto them

yea

I cant drag them into the void either like I used to

it only works if I drag things into the hierarchy which puts them at zero zeo

which defeats the point of being able to drag into a scene lol

[near escarp]

I haven't heard of this issue before so unsure what could cause it

[true hill]

When I try to drag it shows the little dotted outline with the arrow icon as if it would work

then does nothing when I release.

[near escarp]

So it remains stuck on your cursor ? Have you tried creating a plan and dragging a prefab onto that ?

[true hill]

It doesnt show the prefab where im moving its just an icon thing, default windows style.

Plane, Terrain, etc doesn't work either.

I just straight up cant drag anything into the Scene window.

[knotty portal]

Aight I fixed the original issue but now I'm having trouble with particles

[true hill]

I cant drag raw meshes in either so its not prefab-specific

Unity2019 just be broken for me lmao

[red urchin]

@bold ibex describe the issue

for all we know thats how it should look

[slow cradle]

Having a very strange issue right now where Build and Test is just failing every time I try. Amusingly, all I have done differently is restart my computer. Anyone else having issues?

By the looks of it, however, I can still publish just fine

[bold ibex]

does anyone know how to fix this

[slow cradle]

Solved my own issue. Had it set to 0 clients for build and retest, which doesn't actually spawn any clients if you don't have a previous instance of the game open. >_>

[stable path]

What a coincidence... I need some help with the exact opposite issue. Ever time I try and upload it logs me out of the SDK. When uploading it builds, then says cant upload. Also every time I close and reopen unity it asks for credentials again.

yeah, build+test works great, but the SDK keeps logging me out. problem persists after reboot too

[random owl]

Posting a random file from the SDK without any context or explanation what the problem is won't get you any help. The SDK works as long as your project is setup properly.

[random owl]

Are you seeing the The signed account does not have access to the blueprint message every time you try to upload?

[stable path]

yes

[random owl]

Contact support through #vrchat-support

[stable path]

alright then

[stable path]

read through the advanced section. Put my VPN on and now it works. I hate comcast

thank you for your help

[bold ibex]

its the whole eroor what else do you need

[random owl]

Glad to hear that worked for you, if similar happens again and VPN doesn't work feel free to contact support

[random owl]

That is a script not an error

[bold ibex]

Hey there guys! can I get some reccomendations on Rain windows? I'd like to know what assets others like before I go ahead and decide on one, or if someone has made one that I can use and will make credits for 🙂

Also the Imaginary Corner Art Gallery will be up next week, if anyone would like a feature please let me know!

[green lagoon]

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/fake-glass

this has support for rainy windows

[mint steeple]

is there a audio sync

in like unity

[polar dawn]

Yeah, just search up “Audio Link VRChat” and you can find a whole GitHub page I think on it :P

Statue History Statues for my world :D

[bold ibex]

You rock socks my dude

[green lagoon]

glad to be of help

[verbal patrol]

does anybody know how to fix this error, unity2019 destroyed everything all my scripts, etc

[verbal patrol]

love it

[mellow plinth]

2019 Unity, using SDK2 for making world for avatars, yet the Builder does not show as it is blank so I cannot build and test.
Any help from someone that can help me fix this?

[runic epoch]

fancy seeing you here

[near escarp]

use the latest sdk

[verbal patrol]

thank you

[marsh sigil]

mirror is visible in-game for me but button not workin for anyone ekse. what i messed up?

[zenith pebble]

im working on my first ever world , & when i try to upload it they say to detach the blueprint which i did & its still giving me the same error , i know about 2019 but i when i tried to upgrade stuff got broken & idk how to get the VRChat SDK panel to pop in 2019 so i can upload there

[silent night]

Wait, what happened to the VRCWorld prefab having the jump settings and stuff like that?

[formal sequoia]

Anyone else having issues with Triggers for buttons not working in vrchat after upload? the only error I get is "Trigger on Button was not initialized in time! UnityEngine.Debug.LogErrorFormat (string.object[]). I can upload the world, but buttons and chairs are not working. Everything stopped working one day after I only tweaked with post processing settings and uploaded my world again. Tried everything from removing the SDK, Rebuilding the buttons, Adding and removing colliders, and ticking the box where it says "is Trigger" on the collider.

[silent night]

There's literally not a way of doing Udon graphs anymore in this SDK, what the heck...

The old worlds I migrated worked fine but this new one that is pure 2019 doesn't have it.

[rain shadow]

Are you able to open the SDK build panel?

[silent night]

Yep.

[silent night]

This is what my Udon Behavior looks like, https://gyazo.com/3b8b2d21ee5427aee29ed5350f8ae8b6

And again, this is a fresh world.

Not migrating or anything.

[rain shadow]

Oh I think re-importing should fix it

[silent night]

How would I go about that?

I've already tried reimporting the SDK

[rain shadow]

You could just right click on the VRC folders and there is a reimport option

[glass flame]

อ่านไม่ออกเลยอะ

[rain shadow]

That error doesn't actually mean anything is broken

[formal sequoia]

ลองใช้ Google แปลภาษา

[glass flame]

เคๆ

[formal sequoia]

well all my buttons for toggling mirrors, music, video player, etc, all stopped working. They ARE set up, I went through all my trigger setups and everything is how it should be. They worked before, but as I said, after ONE update, they just stopped functioning

and that is the ONLY error I get

[glass flame]

คนประเทศอะไรอะ

[rain shadow]

Are you on 2019 with the latest SDK version?

[formal sequoia]

yes, I just migrated today, still the same problem.

can upload the world just fine, but buttons will not work

[rain shadow]

Oh interesting

And that was the only error you were getting?

[formal sequoia]

only error. all my buttons all have the same error, but all the same regardless, unless I am not seeing ONE error in the midst of it all, that is the only error I get

lemme get a screenshot of the log

Just slowly checked, but this is repeated over and over for everything VRC related...

and these are the only errors.

well, a fragment of the same repeated errors for like 270 lines

and as I said, it just happened after messing with Post Processing settings...

[formal sequoia]

ส่วนใหญ่เป็นภาษาอังกฤษ

[rain shadow]

https://github.com/CyanLaser/CyanEmu/releases/tag/v0.3.10 install this and it will prevent those errors

Also will let you test if your triggers work in play mode

[formal sequoia]

I am not familiar with other programs like this to "Help" with unity projects, it wont create a jumble of buttons I wont understand or overwhelm my head will it. cuz Ive experienced that before.

[rain shadow]

All it does it is partially emulate some useful VRChat functions in play mode

[formal sequoia]

alright, so I just import it directly into my project, and then hit play? Im just assuming from what you are saying, and what I am reading

[rain shadow]

Yeah that should be the case

[formal sequoia]

alright, and how do i test the buttons, just click on them in play mode I assume

that's IF it works

[rain shadow]

Yeah it gives you a proxy player controller

[formal sequoia]

ah, okay

okay, new error, or alert (Triangle with '!' inside) - "Visual Studio Editor Package version 2.0.11 is available, we strongly encourage you to update from the Unity Package Manage for a better Visual Studio integration"

mean anything?

important?

[rain shadow]

Shouldn't affect anything in your project

[formal sequoia]

Okay, pressed play, went up to my buttons, and nothings working. Might have to trash and start over I guess

[rain shadow]

That is pretty weird

[formal sequoia]

yeah, its a thinker.

chairs work tho

but not my buttons

[rain shadow]

How are your buttons setup?

[formal sequoia]

lemme get a capture

[toxic bone]

just converted to 2019, i keep getting an error i have deleted the world id, and tried using other ones and the original but nothing?

[zenith pebble]

im in the same boat as John

[toxic bone]

its been a very frustrating day 😛

[zenith pebble]

even when i tried upgrading i couldn't get the upload panel to pop

so its like i cant upload

[rain shadow]

Need to contact support #vrchat-support because its an issue on VRChats end

[toxic bone]

is it telling you to clear your catch?

ok ty

[rain shadow]

@formal sequoia You have the box collider set as Is Trigger

You don't actually want that

[formal sequoia]

that is what I said above, I turned it off and on, but same thing both sides, nothing works. I am gonna turn it off again, and see if it changes this time around

Does a button need a collider to work in the first place? Turned it off, and nothing

[rain shadow]

Which option did you change?

And it does need a collider

[formal sequoia]

I unticked "Is Trigger"

collider is still there, but still no function

[zenith pebble]

@toxic bonei dont think its a vrchatend , its a problem happened when 2019 launch , its just like what i experienced , that error on 2018 & when migrating to 2019 i couldnt get the upload menu to open so its clearly a migrating issue we are experiencing not vrchat

[rain shadow]

If you don't have errors in your console and have restarted unity and tried detaching the blueprint ID it is an issue on VRChats side

It's a known issue that has been occurring

[rain shadow]

Yeah that is actually very strange

If you make a new cube interact trigger and try see if that works?

[toxic bone]

no worries i have contacted support, thank you

[formal sequoia]

these are all new cubes

[rain shadow]

Create a new scene as a test?

[zenith pebble]

@toxic boneso what i am suppose to do to make it work on 2019 or is it an account issue that i need to contact support for them to fix , im confused ?

[formal sequoia]

Okay, a new sphere worked, but NOT a cube...???? WTF

[rain shadow]

Yeah sounds like Unity

[formal sequoia]

imma shoot unity in the face right about now, I do NOT need this lol

ah well, redoing every button with damn spheres, thanks for the help

[toxic bone]

@zenith pebble i suppose its an account issue, just put in a ticket... and i guess we wait 3 days 😛

[zenith pebble]

is it for avatars as well , or world only ?

[toxic bone]

2018 still works fine for me, and so far its only really quest worlds that have messed up for me

i haven't even looked at avatars yet sorry

[strange lava]

whenever i press vrc sdk then udon graph udon graph wont appear. what to do?

[rain shadow]

Any errors in console?

[strange lava]

nope

[rain shadow]

Does it also not work if you try open an udon graph from an udon behavior?

[strange lava]

it doesnt even show the button like it normally does

[rain shadow]

Likely need to re import the SDK

[strange lava]

all the scrips are still there. they are gone but i can reselect them and everything works again

well it was working anyway witout the scripts

somehow

since i updated to 2019 things are a bit wierd

[rain shadow]

If that's the case re importing the SDK would probably fix it

[strange lava]

alright since i started with unity last weekend could you please tell me how to do that or where i can find an explanation on it?

[rain shadow]

In your assets folder you will have the VRCSDK and Udon folders

If you right click them there will be a reimport option

[strange lava]

alrighty then i will do that

thanks!

[raw glacier]

Does anyone know what this error means?

Export Exception - System.IO.FileNotFoundException: C:/Users/Sour/AppData/Local/Temp/DefaultCompany/Psyren's Birthday/scene-StandaloneWindows64-Psyren.vrcw does not exist
File name: 'C:/Users/Sour/AppData/Local/Temp/DefaultCompany/Psyren's Birthday/scene-StandaloneWindows64-Psyren.vrcw'

Cant test build or publish because of it

[rain shadow]

Restart unity and try build and publish again?

[raw glacier]

Done that already

I've Tried:

Restarting
Re-importing
New Project
Re-import SDK

Nothing would work and I can't find out why

[rain shadow]

Try run unity as administrator?

[raw glacier]

Alright

did not work

It's trying to find the scene, but cant

Even though I have it open

Scene name is Psyren

[rain shadow]

You have other directory errors?

[raw glacier]

Related to a text file of CyanEmu. Removed CyanEmu as well as I though it was the issue. It was not

[rain shadow]

And it's been occurring since you switched to 2019?

[raw glacier]

This is a new project in 2019

Wanted to make a new world within 2019

[rain shadow]

Yeah it's occurring with any 2019 project you make though?

And previous versions are still working fine?

[raw glacier]

This one is my only 2019 project. Other worlds have yet to be migrated from 2018

Not to mention it was made in 2019, not migrated

[surreal jacinth]

so my world that was 39mb spiked to 98mb when migrated to 2019 anyone have a fix for this?

[rain shadow]

Do you have any other notable errors in the console?

[raw glacier]

wait

WHAT

rip

Well

[surreal jacinth]

is it the skybox?

[raw glacier]

I was gonna say yes

yes

i hate unity sooo muchhh

my skybox cause it to bug

[rain shadow]

Yeah I was going to say the AllSkyFree one has caused issues for people before

[raw glacier]

uuuuuuuf

[strange lava]

alrighty reimporting the udon files didnt fix anything. i in my console i now have a error of multiple udonsharp scripts missing. and about 200 warings of :StyleSheet import: type=Validation, code=InvalidProperty file=Assets/Udon/Editor/Resources/UdonGraphStyle2018.uss:33
Unknown property 'text-color' (did you mean 'color'?)
text

[rain shadow]

Can remove it's scripts and still use its other assets though afaik

[rigid harness]

what should i make this room (i can change everything) i just dont know. i was going to make a underwater area but imma scratch that

[rain shadow]

Do you have the most recent udon sharp version?

[strange lava]

ahhmm i downloaded udonsharp 3 days ago... so i dont know

did it update in the last 3 days?

[rain shadow]

https://github.com/MerlinVR/UdonSharp/releases/tag/v0.20.2

[strange lava]

alrighty thanks!

nope still cant open udon graph

[rain shadow]

You don't have any errors?

[strange lava]

i have 100 errors

non fatal though

but still 100 errors

[rain shadow]

So the yellow warnings then?

[strange lava]

yes

lots of repaired reffrences and empty udon behaviour

some missing udon sharp scripts

and still no opening udon graph

[rain shadow]

https://twitter.com/Ruuubick_/status/1166014308918185984 Try use this to check what is taking up most of the file size

Ruuubick (@Ruuubick_)

Turns out a lot of world creators didn't know this, but you can easily find out what your world is made of, how much it weighs, to then be able to reduce its overall size :

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[surreal jacinth]

Hey I figured it out after trying everything... it was the stupid skybox
even though i crunched it

[rigid harness]

how do you get pool tables and ping pong tables with sdk2 or is only with sdk3

[rain shadow]

Not unusual, though using that method to find what is taking up the most space is pretty good for cutting down even more

[strange lava]

i have about 2 quasilion words in here what am i looking for?

[surreal jacinth]

it went from 97 to 17 i dont need to remove anything else lol

[rain shadow]

Ah lol

@strange lava I would recommend making a new project because something is probably silently breaking the SDK functionality

Though you could try start by deleting unused or unimportant assets you have imported in your current project

[strange lava]

alright just 16 errors left this time

yes but i dont feel like losing all of this progress

ive been working on this darned world like a drugged up cat

[rain shadow]

What are those 16 warnings?

[strange lava]

4 of these

[UdonSharp] Program asset 'Assets/fixed it save_UdonProgramSources/Wand2 Udon C# Program Asset.asset' is missing a source C# script
UnityEngine.Debug:LogWarning (object)

the rest are these

Empty UdonBehaviour found on VRCChair3 (6) (UnityEngine.GameObject)
UnityEngine.Debug:LogWarning (object,UnityEngine.Object)

[rain shadow]

Ah

[strange lava]

chairs indeed stopped working for some reason and i still need to fix that so that fits

so its probably the first 4 that ruin it all

[rain shadow]

Yeah the udon behaviors have lost their reference to the udon program scripts

[strange lava]

yea ik

fixed some other things with the same problem already

[rain shadow]

Those warnings shouldn't prevent any functionality though

[strange lava]

well aside from not being able to sit in the chair they dont

even though my old udon scripts still work, i cant open the graph to see or change them

is that becouse of the udon sharp warnings?

[rain shadow]

Unlikely

[strange lava]

then its more likely a problem with the udon library or something

ill try reimporting it one more time

[rain shadow]

If that doesn't work I would say duplicate the project and in the duplicated project delete stuff until you get the graph to open up again

[strange lava]

yea or ill just make a new project open explorer. take the udon library out of there and replace it with the one in here. that might work too

[swift trench]

would it matter if i used 2019.4.20f1 rather than 2019.4.29?

[devout zephyr]

which versions?

[swift trench]

the latest VRC is "2019.4.29"
the closest one to that i have is "2019.4.20f1"

do i need to use a unity version that matches VRC?

[devout zephyr]

i see you updated it. so between the two 2019 versions, there are 9 hotfixes. you could look through the patch notes of each minor version change to see the differences, but i recommend you use the latest LTS, obviously

start here, and at the bottom of page there is a right-arrow to go to next ver
https://unity3d.com/unity/whats-new/2019.4.21

you could work in 4.20 while you install the 2019 lts version though, it should move easily between those two versions

[swift trench]

so basicaly give it a try and if it doesnt work ither revert back to 2018 or upgrade the 2019 install

[devout zephyr]

i dont see any non-forward compatible updates that would impact you going from 19.4.20 to 19.4.29

i mainly looked in changes/improvements sections

[swift trench]

basicaly ATM my world is 2018.4.20f1 (what vrc used for ages) was just wondering if upgradeing to 19.4.20 would be smart becase CBA to set up another unity install RN

[real garnet]

anyone know why this happens?

[kind leaf]

Lol you should only ever download an lts and the exact lts listed. Its not open to your judgment

[strange lava]

update: rule 1 of fixing did it again. restarting unity fixed the problem

[kind leaf]

You cannot upload or make changes with anything but the current supported unity version. If the project is dead then don't bother. If not than you have no choice.

[swift trench]

so basicaly you now have to use 1019.4.29

[kind leaf]

2019.4.29f1

[swift trench]

yeh i typoed there lul

and yeh i get your point that this unity build doesnt like the Vr chat api

[swift trench]

I can upload and edit the world still
just cant edit undon flows

[kind leaf]

Using extremely large textures, maybe objects that are scaled way too big, could also be related to a script you wrote or is attached that shouldn't be. If none of that fits I suggest you google Unity 2019 System out of memory

[swift trench]

so yeh ill upgrade my 2019 lts later

[wanton badger]

I upgraded and now updating worlds doesn't work

Can't even load the world now

[kind leaf]

So extract your backup, load that, reupload and try again following the instructions exactly.

[wanton badger]

where do I find the backups

[swift trench]

you made one before upgradeing

[wanton badger]

the 2019 version just ruined everything

[kind leaf]

if you dont know where your backup is it means you didnt follow the instructions.

[wanton badger]

Bro I just make maps

[swift trench]

the guide litraly says dont edit the 2018 one and to upgrade in a copy

[wanton badger]

It's uploaded and everything

I have 2019

[kind leaf]

you have 2019 what?

[wanton badger]

2019.4.29f1

the recommended one

[kind leaf]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/migrating-from-2018-lts-to-2019-lts

give it a read, but if you didnt make a backup you might be up shit creek.

[wanton badger]

I made a new world

Unity is just being ass

[kind leaf]

the only thing you need in a new world is a floor with a collider and a scene descriptor over the floor. So what are your errors? No errors in console? Install the toolkit. Reupload, check debugger. https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit

Every developer needs the toolkit + cyanemu to work efficiently. Ied suggest you install them both with every project.

[swift trench]

i've only been useing cyanemu and that was purely so i could test without haveing to wait for it to compile and VRC load

[wanton badger]

in 2018 version it uploaded immediately, 2019 is shit

[kind leaf]

lol sure. how about you address the errors

[wanton badger]

Trigger on Switch was not initialized in time!
UnityEngine.Debug:LogErrorFormat (string,object[])
VRC.SDKBase.VRC_Trigger:ExecuteTriggerType (VRC.SDKBase.VRC_Trigger/TriggerType)
VRC.SDKBase.VRC_Trigger:OnDisable ()

Assets\Sci-fi_Cafe\Script\MKGlassFreeEditor.cs(6,19): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Utils' does not exist in the namespace 'UnityEditor' (are you missing an assembly reference?)

Assets\Sci-fi_Cafe\Script\MKGlassFreeEditor.cs(7,7): error CS0246: The type or namespace name 'UnityEditorInternal' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

Error building Player because scripts had compiler errors

This never happened in the 2018 version

[kind leaf]

start by deleting those two scripts or try reimporting them. Yeah, the formatting and code base changes between version. Does your sega saturn disk work in your xbox?

[swift trench]

Its posible to play a sega saturn disk on an xbox one but thats becide the point

[kind leaf]

lol

Unity does have cross compatibility to a point but it warns you that the process is handled on import and doesnt always work. The glass shader can go. There are plenty of alternatives

[dusk sapphire]

its entirely possible that script is not compatible with unity 2019

regardless, its not like you can use them in vrchat, so you may as well delete them

MKGlassFreeEditor.cs

If you have standard assets in your project, also delete SimpleActivatorMenu.cs

[wanton badger]

I am using SDK 2

[dusk sapphire]

that much was evident from the trigger error

[wanton badger]

Because I can't find a vrc trigger in sdk 3

[kind leaf]

they dont exist in sdk3 because sdk3 is more flexible and closer to what developers want

unlock our pipelines next and ill be happy as a clam

[wanton badger]

Then how do I spawn a mirror or turn on lights in sdk 3

[kind leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLgCTDbjvOjMRsyLLbuuqw

also here for all your sdk2 or sdk3 prefabs/shader needs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTP-eIkYLZh7pDhpO-untxy1zbuoiqdzVP2z5-vg_9ijBW7k8ZC9VP6cVL-ct5yKrySPBPJ6V2ymlWS/pubhtml#

[swift trench]

On interact -> GameObject.SetActive

A flow i made that Activates an object then Disables another one

[abstract marlin]

i am only slightly loosing my Shit here. Re attached it, deleted Pipline Blueprint...

It also always also logs me out after that

[toxic bone]

Same things happening to me, I was told to submit a ticket to support because it's a problem on there end

[abstract marlin]

just wow xD

[toxic bone]

Yep

[abstract marlin]

Well no update for the Quest People then

[toxic bone]

Yeah...

So it's only happening for one world?

It's doing it for all the ones I updated to 2019

[abstract marlin]

I have 2 Worlds. The PC version was quick. No big problems there

i am now sitting like 3 days on the quest version

even going so far to start from zero

[dusk sapphire]

its a server side issue, you'll need to send in a ticket to get it resolved.

[abstract marlin]

and now this shit xD

[toxic bone]

Dw I feel your pain, I just spend the last 6 months on my new world. Was due to upload it today, bam update hits same day and ruins the quest version

[abstract marlin]

I will simply delete my Second world. i am not going trough that again xD

This whole World as a Unity Folder is 11gb huge. So yeah.. it takes a while to get it up and running 😄

[kind leaf]

Trust in the ticket, vrc will resolve your issue. and soon we will have a hotfix server side.

[abstract marlin]

I mean.. it is not that.. "important" only thing that really breaked is the Terrain Tool created stuff. So it is basiclly Black

Since it is a nighttime focus Map.. well

And where i would make that ticket? (never needed that before)

[toxic bone]

#vrchat-support

[kind leaf]

^https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us

[abstract marlin]

Thanks ticket sended. lets see :V

[real garnet]

IDK what was wrong, it was worked right on last edit and it works again after I recreated project and copied all files

[burnt pilot]

hi does anyone know this issue? the water does not show from far but from close by it shows partically. I'm using unity 2019, Calm water shader

https://gyazo.com/6bd123e1137b1d01a1b9c948d2b2ad8c

[weary flicker]

i'm having this weird issue where the reflections in RED_SIM's perfect water shader are getting flipped upside down and are only visible when i'm super close. Works fine in desktop mode tho.

[weary flicker]

mmk i think i fixed it. i didn't have a global reference camera set in the VRCWorld object. No idea why it worked on unity 2018 and not now but whatevs

[kind leaf]

luck. A lot of worlds dont have a reference camera because people are told they dont need it. the default near is 0.3 which is too far away from the avatar view port and causes camera clipping.

[bleak sparrow]

HELP:
I imported SDK2 (for open beta U2019), but the control panel for SDK2 won't show up in the drop down menu

[marsh sigil]

buttons work for me but no one else. did i enable/disable something? sdk 3 world 2019

[chilly pawn]

Yeah having same issue as this one, it's a server side issue?

I've sent a support ticket in, but if there is any fix, I'd appreciate it.

[peak canyon]

I'm having the same issue. Seems to be login a persistence issue on the server side. It also logs me out if I just close Unity when logged in and then re-enter the project.

[wanton badger]

How do I change the display name on triggers in unity

so instead of showing use, it shows a name

[leaden hazel]

Are you in sdk2? In Udon land there is a field in the inspector. Is there similar for them?

[wanton badger]

sdk2

I am not leaving my triggers

[median egret]

when upgrading from 2018 to 2019 when it says Don't Change SDK Type During Migration does that mean like change sdk version or?

like going from world to avatar version

[leaden hazel]

I don't understand meanwhile why one would want to be limited by the few things sdk2 can do, but that's me. X)

[strange lava]

in pc mode my world runs smooth. in vr it doesnt. could this have anything to do with the amount of animations and particles?

[wanton badger]

now it works for some reason

idk, maybe unity had a stroke

[wanton badger]

well I don't use udon and sdk2 is just easier

[errant beacon]

Particles, materials, etc - check the profiler in Window > Analytics to see what's dragging your world down o:
Generally, make your textures as small as you're comfortable with and use crunch compression, and try to avoid overly expensive shaders

also, import https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases, it'll tell you about some optimization that could be done on your world o:

[errant beacon]

SDK2 is also a bit outdated, and won't be getting any content updates - also there's CyanTriggers coming out for SDK3, which will emulate SDK2 triggers anyhow o:

[leaden hazel]

Almost certainly. PC you run at 60 FPS at your desktop res. VR you will be trying to run at 90 FPS and significantly higher resolution. So things like that can be performance heavy

[errant beacon]

PC FPS cap is 90 by default iirc?

VR FPS cap depends on the headset, so anywhere from ~70 to 144

generally though yus VR is much more intensive than desktop PC for a lot of reasons

[leaden hazel]

Not sure. I've only measured FPS of the desktop while in VR. When you're in VR, the desktop window locks at 40fps.

[strange lava]

well ive done cruch compresion etc already

[leaden hazel]

Which is useful to know if you're recording video

[errant beacon]

check the VRWorld toolkit? o:
Also, try to avoid having tons of materials preferably, i.e atlas your meshes

instead of having 8 seperate particle materials, have 1 and use flipbook animation where possible, that kind of thing

[leaden hazel]

@strange lava if you can, create a little control panel to let you turn on and off each special effect you have, and the do some performance testing seeing if any in particular are especially heavy. Or if its just all of them collectively

[strange lava]

so like i started unity 5 days ago . so its gonne be hard but its gonne succeed

[bold ibex]

for some reason I dont have vrc_trigger any ideas why?

[errant beacon]

If you're using SDK3, that doesn't have triggers

[strange lava]

is there a way to instantly select all particle emmiters?

[bold ibex]

oh okay, I should do the udon graph right?

[leaden hazel]

Ah! Simple thing then, create a wall of cubes. Put a small duplicate script on all of them which takes a target game object.
And use the interact label to indicate what object that cube button turns on and off.

[bold ibex]

for example a button that plays music

[errant beacon]

yup! would recommend watchign VowganVR's tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/c/VowganVR/videos

[bold ibex]

thank Zuvali!

[errant beacon]

yw!

[leaden hazel]

I'm sure I recall unity has a feature to select all objects featuring a specific component

[strange lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibDu0dCeUE8&t=149s

[errant beacon]

would generally recommend adding some empty gameobjects, and dropping components into it's hierarchy - i.e have seperate 'folders' for static meshes, particles, audio, etc

[strange lava]

well rn my whole project is a bit of a mess

[leaden hazel]

Oh, and one more thing. Unity has tools that let you show performance while the game is running in the editor. Even if it looks smooth on desktop, you can still use this to see how close to the line it is and also toggle things off and on by switching back to scene view and disabling objects and watching the graph as you do.

[errant beacon]

^ Windows > Analytics

[leaden hazel]

That's it

[errant beacon]

both the Frame Debugger and Profiler can be vv helpful! o:

[strange lava]

but where is windows analythics?

[errant beacon]

Look for the Window tab at the top of Unity

[strange lava]

ahh found it

so the profiler does what?

[leaden hazel]

Press the play button in the editor and watch the graph

[errant beacon]

Breaks down what's taking what amount of time to render, afaik
If you scroll through it, you can see what's taking the most time to process per frame

[strange lava]

great

[leaden hazel]

Then switch back to the scene tab with the game still running and turn off items.

See how it affects the graph

[strange lava]

alright imma try that first then

[errant beacon]

The seperate frame debugger gives you a breakdown of how a frame is being drawn, so you can see how many passes need to be taken
If there's some unneccesary ones (like PostProcessing effects you're not using), remove them o:

[leaden hazel]

Draw calls remain strange and confusing to me and I'll eventually bother to learn them I'm sure. XD

[errant beacon]

"why have 20 material when can have 5" generally lmao

more materials > more draw calls > more processing time
GPU instancing and such can help, too

[leaden hazel]

Right. Is there ever a reason not to enable gpu instancing?

Since it always defaults off on most things

[errant beacon]

Not afaik? could def be wrong on that
I guess if you're only using a mesh/material once it wouldn't make sense, since you'd never be instancing it

[leaden hazel]

True

[strange lava]

so what does al of this mean?

[errant beacon]

scroll down in that graph at the top, it'll show what's taking the most time to render
good portion of that is garbage collection and 'other'

[leaden hazel]

Be aware you do need to have a camera pointed normally at what you want to check. I take it you've setup occlusion?

[errant beacon]

You also have 37 setpass calls, which means the GPU has to switch shaders 37 times to render
also ^^ set up occlusion culling o:

also if you're not already, set up baked lighting, as realtime lighting is vv expensive

[strange lava]

what is occlusion culling? what is 37 setpass calls?

i have light baking

[leaden hazel]

Oooh

[strange lava]

sorry im kinda stupid

[errant beacon]

you're fine! but here: https://learn.unity.com/tutorial/working-with-occlusion-culling

[leaden hazel]

Occlusion culling is 'I can't see this right now so don't worry about it'

[errant beacon]

^

[leaden hazel]

Think of it like teaching unity to think like a baby

If it can't see it, it doesn't exist. ;)

[wanton badger]

But how do i change the button from use to something else

[leaden hazel]

It's very easy to setup

[strange lava]

ahh so things the player isnt seeing wont be calculated. but isnt that only doable with rooms not open space?

[leaden hazel]

Very easy

[errant beacon]

It's doable pretty much anywhere something can't be seen thanks to another object

[leaden hazel]

I'll step by step

1. Create a new empty game object

2. Add an 'occlusion volume' I believe its called to it from add component in the inspector

3. Use the handles on that box that has appeared to size the volume until your entire level is inside it.

[wanton badger]

occlusion area or portal

[leaden hazel]

That's it, occlusion area sorry.

[strange lava]

alright so i just have to put it around my entire level? will that do anything?

[leaden hazel]

Then you go to the window menu and find the occlusion panel, I forget what submenu it's under

In there is a mostly empty panel, with a bake button in the bottom right

Press bake

[errant beacon]

It's just Window > Occlusion Culling iirc? if not it'll be under the Render submenu

[leaden hazel]

It will think for a while and then bits of your level may disappear, don't worry it's just showing a preview of the occlusion. If you select another object, everything will come back

[wanton badger]

wait so that wasn't for me

[strange lava]

so now i have a little box with edit

[leaden hazel]

Tips for this to work well:
Split up large objects such as level geo. That way walls behind won't be thought about

[leaden hazel]

Screenshot?

[leaden hazel]

Sorry yes, we're just helping TMan here

[errant beacon]

also, SetPass calls are how many times the GPU needs to switch shaders to render your scene. Generally, lower is better
A draw call is a call to the GPU to render a group of polygons that share the same material. More draw calls is worse, as it takes more time for the GPU to render everything

[wanton badger]

It's okay

[strange lava]

alright we will fix that next

[leaden hazel]

That looks okay, have you made sure to resize in all three dimensions? I forget to think in 3D sometimes :D

[errant beacon]

assuming SDK2, change the Interaction Text field on the trigger component
If it's SDK3, follow this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okt50lEBbtw

[leaden hazel]

Press the bake button in the bottom right?

[strange lava]

it incompasses my entire map

the bake button is unpressable

[leaden hazel]

Oh o.O

[errant beacon]

Occlusion area doesn't need to be that large, unless you can go that high in your map, and unless there's something up there to occlude

[leaden hazel]

Still, should be pressable

[wanton badger]

Thanks bro :3

[leaden hazel]

Occlusion should cover 'anywhere a camera can go' or in this case, anywhere a player can be

[leaden hazel]

So if you have an out of bounds area in future for example, that doesn't need to be in the box

[errant beacon]

^
also, click the Bake tab at the top, then click the Bake button at the bottom

[leaden hazel]

Ah.

Wonder if that has changed since 2018

[strange lava]

so i clicked on bake. now i see this

not the baking bake but the other bake

[leaden hazel]

Are you sure the button doesn't just look disabled? It definitely does nothing when you click it? o_o;

[strange lava]

im stupid but not that stupid

though i wish that was it

[leaden hazel]

Just checking, these various shades of grey UIs aren't always clear

[errant beacon]

just on a hunch, make sure you have a reference camera set in the VRC_WorldDescriptor?

[strange lava]

very true!

[errant beacon]

also, make sure that reference camera has occlusion enabled

[leaden hazel]

Ooh yeah.

[strange lava]

yes my main camera has occlusion culling on

[leaden hazel]

(also, side note this world does look nice for a first timer project. :)
Hmm... Trying to think what could be stopping it.

[bold ibex]

Wooo!!! time to make the button fancy now 🙂

[strange lava]

nice! gl!!!

[bold ibex]

ty guys!

found these super cute bunny chairs if anyone wants them they just pm or I can send the link

[strange lava]

thanks it took me 5 days to figure everything out and fix the countless problems but i enjoyed it a lot!

[leaden hazel]

Welcome to world development 🥲

[strange lava]

i love it!

an i learned so much about unity and its mechanics

[errant beacon]

actually real quick, make sure you're not running in Play Mode? that'd stop you from baking

[leaden hazel]

It's very satisfying when it all works and you're standing in a place you made

Oh!

[strange lava]

ah wel dam you found the problem

[leaden hazel]

Nice one zuvali

This should help make a big impact on performance as now again, anything not in the player's eyeline will not be rendered.

[strange lava]

so how do i find the occlusion window again?

[leaden hazel]

It should be still parked in your righthand tray if you scroll through the tabs there?

Otherwise window menu

[strange lava]

oh wait every change you make while the game is running gets reversed

so i have to make the object again

[leaden hazel]

Oh damn

Yes, of course if you did all this with play turned on, ahhh

Tip BTW. If you make changes in play mode and want to keep them after you stop... You can do so for at least one component.

If you click the menu (...) in the top right of the component and choose copy component.
Then press stop. Everything resets.
Click the same menu button and choose paste as values. (or paste as new if you added a whole new component)
Tada.

[strange lava]

ohh thats nice to know!

i remade the bounds of the occlusion again

whats the next step?

[bold ibex]

any reason for grey screen?

[strange lava]

pictue?

[leaden hazel]

I find that useful in say avatar editing more if I want to tweak dynamic bone settings, I edit them in play mode and then copy the settings and paste after stopping once I've got them correct

[strange lava]

empty your search bar

in heirarchy

[bold ibex]

🙀

🤣

tyyy

[strange lava]

np XD

[bold ibex]

I was scared hahah

[strange lava]

i also rlly want to make a avatar once! next project perhaps

[leaden hazel]

Mostly just been customisations here but yeah, it's fun as well. And it taught me how to use animations which I've then gone back and put in my world for animated objects.

[strange lava]

dayum thats bloody sweet!

but now that i made the occlusion space again what do i do?

[leaden hazel]

If its created, and baked, give it a test

[strange lava]

yes but how do i bake it how do i get to the window again?

sorry

[leaden hazel]

Window menu! :D is a window.

[strange lava]

ahh sorry i forgot

[errant beacon]

It'll be in the inspector, or alternatively open it again by going to Window > Occlusion Culling
If it's not there, check Window > Render > Occlusion Culling?

[leaden hazel]

Sometimes unit's logic makes sense. Other times, not.

Unity*

[strange lava]

so it baked something and now everything looks wierd and broken

[leaden hazel]

Good

[strange lava]

what now?

[leaden hazel]

That means it's working

Click off the volume or switch away from that window and things should look normal again

[strange lava]

they do

[leaden hazel]

You'll want to rebake that (just press the button again) if you make any changes to static objects in your world.

[strange lava]

baking again

[leaden hazel]

So the layout, etc.

[strange lava]

so basically i see tons of little blue cubes

[leaden hazel]

If you move a non static prop or change shaders, it's not needed. But if you add remove or move anything, run a bake before you test.

[strange lava]

so same as with lighting

[leaden hazel]

Basically

But much faster

Haha

[strange lava]

XD

[leaden hazel]

If you do a build and test now, this may have improved matters.

[strange lava]

alrighty im gonne do a quick vr dive brb

[leaden hazel]

And as you walk aroubd

Look at different things

[errant beacon]

With occlusion culling set up, occluded stuff that doesn't need to be rendered won't be
Stuff that will be rendered still may be unoptimized though, which would be helped by reducing the draw/setpass calls where possible

also for your case, do your torches have particles on them?

might be able to fade those out/disable them with a trigger (either SDK2 or UdonBehavior) as you get far away

[leaden hazel]

But this does mean if your big cost was it trying to render everything with nothing being culled, that may now be solved. :)

[strange lava]

yes they do

[strange lava]

working in 2019 udon

[strange lava]

every second frame everything was frozen

it didnt help a lot

[errant beacon]

for the particles I'd recommend using Unity's particle shaders as they're p optimized, and atlas the particles if possible
that's vv odd though o:

[leaden hazel]

Hmm. Okay. More to do then.

[errant beacon]

to verify, make sure your lighting is baked and that the lights aren't realtime?

[strange lava]

ill send a pic of the lighting settings once unity restarts... i accedentally closed it

[leaden hazel]

There is a lighting window that will let you see all lights in the scene as I recall

I should really step away from this for a bit mind as I've got some real work™️ to finish. Then I can switch to my PC that has unity on and be more helpful. XD

[strange lava]

alright thanks so much for your help! when will you be done with your real work TM?

[errant beacon]

are the lights themselves baked? i.e click on a point/area/directional light and make sure it's set to Baked

[strange lava]

no their modes are on real time

[errant beacon]

that's v likely the issue, you might not have baked lighting at all o:

[strange lava]

but but but ... i have all these lighting maps

🥲

should i change all the lights to mixed or baked?

[errant beacon]

Make sure all the lights are set to Baked, yus o:
also I'd def recommend following this guide: https://vrcat.club/threads/xiexes-lighting-tutorial-how-to-get-good-at-baked-lighting-101.2081/ use the progressive lightmapper though, don't use Enlighten like the guide shows

I'd also recommend using the progressive GPU lightmapper if possible, it can be much faster - def save your project before using it though lol

[burnt pilot]

https://gyazo.com/80d482f16dfe9fb169bb96e1918ff5ba I have an issue, this shows up ingame and in play mode but without it being in play mode it shows up normally

[strange lava]

as in just save. save as. or duplicating

[errant beacon]

just a normal save, it uses a lot of VRAM so if you don't have enough it might just crash instantly lol, at least for me

[strange lava]

2070 super is equiped

[errant beacon]

you're def fine then lol, would still recommend a save nonetheless

[strange lava]

always save. i learned that the hard way in skyrim

[errant beacon]

lmao

[strange lava]

so what should i do first?

[errant beacon]

Set your lights to Baked, then re-bake the lightmap

[strange lava]

how do i do this WITOUTH clicking on every single light

[errant beacon]

not entirely sure, organizing your project makes stuff like that much easier though o:

[strange lava]

i learned my lesson for future projects then

[leaden hazel]

Unknown, but I'll check back in later and see how things are going.

[strange lava]

thanks! gl!

i also have some movable lanterns what settings should these recieve?

[errant beacon]

If they're pickups, leave them on realtime but preferably have them disabled by default?

If they're swinging on a post or something, you might be able to get away with a baked light

[strange lava]

nope they are pickupable lamps

lanterns

things

[errant beacon]

would say leave them on realtime, but have them disabled by default

Enable the light component when you pick it up, and disable it when you drop it (depending on how you want them to work - you could also just have the realtime lights be on a toggle button)

[strange lava]

alright ill put that on a to do list

next thing to do?

[errant beacon]

set all the static lights to baked, then bake your lights

[strange lava]

time for some good old baking

[errant beacon]

I'd also recommend following this guide for the future: https://vrcat.club/threads/xiexes-lighting-tutorial-how-to-get-good-at-baked-lighting-101.2081/ as it has a lot of vv helpful stuff for lighting, though again use the progressive lightmapper

[strange lava]

alright put that ont the list

and you also said something about progressive gpu stuff?

ahh it baked

[errant beacon]

Yup, use the progressive GPU lightmapper if you want, since it can be faster

[strange lava]

alright will do

now that it baked what should i do?

[errant beacon]

build and test out the world o:

[strange lava]

alright brb

nope no notecable improvements

it sucks 100% of my gpu up

[errant beacon]

that's vv odd o:
In your materials and meshes, are you using GPU instancing?

[strange lava]

what is gpu instancing

again sorry for all the trouble!

[errant beacon]

you're fine!
Batches rendering calls together afaik, so instead of having to render 20 torches, you only need to render one and instance the rest of them

[strange lava]

if i had to active a setting for that then probably no

[errant beacon]

Click on the materials and meshes in the inspector, and enable that o:

I'd recommend organizing your materials/textures/meshes into their own folders as well, to make stuff like that easier

[strange lava]

yes but i used a ton of materials and prefabs from the unity store

changed them up a lot

but they are all still inside their own files

ah yes all gpu instancing is off

[errant beacon]

def enable that on your mats/meshes, could help a lot

[strange lava]

and how do i find all of the mats i used in the project and change ALL of them at once. couse there are a lot

[errant beacon]

not entirely sure if you can do that either? o:

again another thing that folders'd help, unfortunately

[strange lava]

i have learned my lesson twice now

[strange lava]

ah i just read a bit. it says i only is usefull for repeating textures so ill simply select the textures and meshes of things that repeat and activate the setting

[errant beacon]

yus, instancing's only really helpful for stuff you use multiple times afaik

[strange lava]

how do i instance the textures of the trees and grass?

[strange lava]

apparantly grass cant be done but the rest is done

[errant beacon]

for Unity terrain grass/Unity trees I'm not too sure, sorry o:

could try doing a build and test? checking the Stats menu in Play Mode could be v helpful too

[strange lava]

ill start with a build

and test that

it might be my imagination but it felth a tad bit better

i do want to point out that all the flames use an animation

and that the grass waves in the wind

so either of those could also be the problem

[errant beacon]

depending on how that grass is done, that vv well could be an issue

don't think the flames would be too big of an issue? texture sheet animation isn't too costly afaik, and is much better than using multiple materials for different flames

[strange lava]

it uses UNITY's particle system

apparantly UNITY's particle system is a joke... i dont uderstand it

but alright

ill be back in 5 minutes

[errant beacon]

Unity's particles are fine afaik lol
would recommend checking what shader the fire material is using though, might be able to switch it for a more performant one

[strange lava]

so sorry! that took much longer then excpected!

[errant beacon]

you're fine!

[strange lava]

thanks ^^

im using unity's standart assets mobile fire

[errant beacon]

not sure how that specific shader performs, so can't really comment o:
In the terrain's settings though, try disabling the "Draw" checkbox for trees and detail objects, and see if that improves your framerate?

Build and test after that, and see if that gets rid of/alleviates the stutter a bit

[strange lava]

alright imma buid brb

very very slight improvement

should i start disabling thing to find out the problem or should i first look at the profiler?

[errant beacon]

check out the profiler, then start disabling o:

[errant beacon]

not entirely sure, sorry o:
a lot of the CPU usage is Other, which is apparently stuff like animation, AI, audio, particles, networking, loading, and PlayerLoop

the fire animation shouldn't be causing the issue, but try disabling your particles maybe? o:

[strange lava]

how can i disable particles?

[errant beacon]

a quick way would be to just disable the object the particle system component's attached to?

[strange lava]

alright

[inland cave]

Opening the VRChat Control Panel causes Unity to grind to a halt under specific circumstances that are hard to describe as it's entirely dependant on the scene objects a different plugin is creating. I can explain it if need be but is there any reason the Control Panel should become almost entirely unresponsive due to the conditions of a scene?

[kind leaf]

had that issue for a while. It's not in all my projects though...

[inland cave]

screams

[rain shadow]

It's likely this https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/sdk2202005061214-build-control-panel-laggy-when-large-number-of-objects-with-sam

[kind leaf]

I swear it's an api issue. as soon as the control panel logs back in its good to go.

[inland cave]

Sounds like my kind of problem, though I have additional info to add at least in how it affects me - I can have thousands of one type of object in a scene and its fine.

As soon as more than one type of object hits those kinds of numbers the Control Panel cries.

[kind leaf]

It could be the massive list of objects sharing the same path lol

[rain shadow]

If those objects are all parented to the same object it is likely the same issue

[inland cave]

It is, though even in this instance just having one type of object it can deal with

[strange lava]

so with everything aside from the main room turned off it laggs the same. meaning that the problem probably lies within the main room

[errant beacon]

with only the main room disabled and nothing else, does the world run fine? o:

[strange lava]

im gonne test that now. couse with all some of the main rooms things shut down it was kinda playable with 20 fps

nope that only mad it worse. but that is then probably couse i put the beach chairs back in place.

the beach chairs used a lod script wich i removed. coud these lod scripts be the problem?

[errant beacon]

if anything LODs would help with framerate lol, but not sure?
also in play mode, would you mind sending a screenshot of the bottom of the profiler? i.e the part that has the SetPass and draw calls, etc

[strange lava]

while the main room is gone u mean?

[kind leaf]

sort of. Lods help in realtime lighting. In baked light scenarios it causes poor performance due to variant lightmap layering and an obvious filesize increase to a project.

[errant beacon]

with or without, sure

[strange lava]

well everything is nice and baked

[errant beacon]

ah, interesting

something like a beach chair might be able to get away with being dynamic in this case, so i.e not included in the bake and just being lit with lightprobes

[strange lava]

i just really want to upload this tommorow evening. so i hope that plan works out

[errant beacon]

Click the Rendering tab in the profiler, then the SetPass/draw calls should appear at the bottom afaik

[errant beacon]

that's..def not right, interesting o:

relaunch play mode maybe?

[strange lava]

all still 0

maybe restarting unity will help?

[errant beacon]

could try that o:

[strange lava]

all still 0

[errant beacon]

not super sure about that, sorry

[strange lava]

lets google it then

alright by enabling everything it shows stats

[errant beacon]

I'm not super sure what's causing the lag, sorry o:
the draw calls are fine, maybe a little high but not enough to justify getting <10FPS

[strange lava]

yea its hella wierd. but i do have a general sense of where i should find the problem now

its almost midnight so im going to sleep. so thanks so so much for all your help!

do you mind if i @ you if i find another problem tommorow?

[near escarp]

What are the game stats showing ?

[strange lava]

well in vr the map is rlly slow

and laggy at around 1 fps

[lunar nimbus]

I recently stopped working with probuilder for my worlds and am now doing blender but I am having trouble with texturing because with probuilder, you could just slap on a texture and it would tile relatively correctly. However with blender the UVs are not lined up by default. Is there a way to unwrap them so they take the shape of the object?

See kind of how th euvs are all just squares of the same size

[errant beacon]

#3d-modeling - might want to look into UV unwrapping tutorials o:

[lunar nimbus]

I will ask them thank you

[echo rapids]

Just started upgrade to 2019. Why is importing materials taking hours? Previous updates never took this long.

[kind leaf]

because its not just importing, its converting. PC was quick for me, Quest took hours. Was faster for me to just redo the Quest worlds I had.

[echo rapids]

@kind leafIt's a PC world

[kind leaf]

Same reason applies, plus the more you have the more there is to convert. Remember it's not just whats in the scene, its your entire project. And unsupported assets will take longer because it will try anyway.

all i can suggest is just be patient. It will finish eventually. Go eat 🙂

[echo rapids]

@kind leafLooks like it might take days at this rate lol

@kind leafThanks for letting me know.

[silent night]

Anybody have any information regarding making waving grass in Unity? Found a few videos but I wanna see if anyone else has a way of doing it or if they have a shader.

[kind leaf]

usually done by painting detail in terrain editor with wind speeds. Terrain by default has a wind speed of like .5 or something like that.

you can also try the first shader in the list here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTP-eIkYLZh7pDhpO-untxy1zbuoiqdzVP2z5-vg_9ijBW7k8ZC9VP6cVL-ct5yKrySPBPJ6V2ymlWS/pubhtml#

[cinder crypt]

so i added avatar pedastols to a wold

and they cant be used

[ive never done this so if its obvious dont get mad]

[silent night]

Awesome, I’ll take a look @kind leaf

💜

[kind leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qgHgpbWU4

[cinder crypt]

thanks xd

[kind leaf]

np, don't be like that guy though, dock your sdk control or put it on a different monitor. It's so sad watching people fight with placement hahaha

[cinder crypt]

i cant afford another monitor

also i dont think it worked uh

nope it did

thank u

[kind leaf]

🙂

[dusk summit]

heyo, just got a weird issue in one of my world projects, everything is freshly imported after deleting em for the upgrade, and for some reason the VRC URL input field component... just doesnt exist. it exists in my other project that i've done the exact same shit for, but this one just doesnt have it, breaking my video player :/ anybody ever experienced that ?

[kind leaf]

try importing the sdk again. I don't recall the migration doc telling anyone to delete anything.

[dusk summit]

done and redone multiple times for the SDK & all used Udon assets

the worst is that i found it there but i just absolutely can't add / use it

[kind leaf]

The only thing I would recommend is to start fresh using your backup and follow the migration instructions carefully. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/migrating-from-2018-lts-to-2019-lts

[dusk summit]

This is my 5th project i've migrated, thanks, i've miograted 4 other projects during the betas. this project is the only one that borked this.

and i'm not spending another hour migrating this again for fun at 2am thanks

[kind leaf]

oh anytime. didnt know deleting during the upgrade was the pro way. ill have to try that out....

[dusk summit]

never said i deleted the SDK ?

during the migration?

[kind leaf]

"freshly imported after deleting em for the upgrade, "

[dusk summit]

i have deleted other assets that i'm using to reimport them fresh after migrating to 2019

[cedar horizon]

How do I fix this, I want both the walls to look the same (Left ProBuilder Wall / Right Normal Wall) (They have the same texture)

I have also cut a hole in the ProBuilder wall if that helps.

[kind leaf]

they have different uv maps. So they need different materials. both materials can share the same texture. The one you want to match will need the tiling on the texture inside the material adjusted until it matches.

you can avoid that by making the normal wall in probuilder as well.

[cedar horizon]

I don't know how to mess around with the uv maps, also the probuilder wall doesn't look good so I wouldn't want to make the other walls probuilder walls either.

[kind leaf]

it doesnt look good because the tiling is not right. open the material and change the scale

[shrewd violet]

After updating Unity and the SDK, I'm running into the error upon trying to upload a world: "Export Exception - System.DllNotFoundException: shell32.dll"
Does anyone have info on how to address this? (I'm on Mac)

[cedar horizon]

Whenever I change the tilling of a wall it changes for "All" walls, how do I fix this?

[kind leaf]

" they need different materials. both materials can share the same texture."

all the probuilder walls can share a material but the plane needs its own because it has a different scale.

[indigo fossil]

I've spent the past couple months intermittently writing the script for a video tutorial series about how to create a VRChat world, aimed at the complete beginner. I'm almost done with it (except for the udon script for collider toggles) and would like feedback so I can polish it as much as I can before I record it!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2507157026

[leaden hazel]

Does the first time build take a very long time post update?

Seems to be taking very long for its first set of shader compiles

[random owl]

It's most likely rebuilding the shader cache because of the Unity version change

Should go faster again after the cache is built again

[frozen rain]

Considering i'm working on my first world now I'll be able to give you some feedback!

[shrewd coral]

Kinda a weird question. With the beta supporting Unity 2019, I'm curious if VRChat will support URP. If I create a world using URP will it upload and run properly in VRC?

[green lagoon]

nope it does not support that as It would require breaking all of the old content

[frozen rain]

@indigo fossil I read it over a couple of times and it pretty much touches, generally, on everything. I would break up some of the more advanced things like pick-upables, video players and such in another guide since it is pretty lengthy but other than that its pretty good.

[indigo fossil]

Thanks for the feedback!

[indigo fossil]

Switching to an SRP would require rewriting all of the shaders

[green lagoon]

and probably most folks wouldn't benefit SRP to Warrant breaking all of the anime shaders

[shrewd coral]

So the only reason I was trying to learn SRP stuff was the cool node system to make shaders. Is there an supported system that's as user friendly that I could use to make water shaders and stuff?

[runic epoch]

So if my 2.0 sdk broke,

could i just reimport it

[timber fable]

I can now confirm that all my sdk 2 and sdk 3 worlds are facing problems with the new 2019.

Some textures just became pure black. And that is not nice.

The bad thing is that i no longer possess such files. That worlx leave me make it again from scratch like all of my worlds that would take months or half a year again to finish.

[turbid ocean]

Could somebody explain to me how to make it so when I jump, if I"m in midair I can jump again without having to wait till I hit the ground? Please anyone?

[exotic gazelle]

SDK3 for Unity2019 does not have VRLUrlInputField ?
→SDK3 reimport ,then appear VRCUrlInputField.

[turbid ocean]

Well it may have it, I just didn't know where to enable it

I only set the jump height.

[rain shadow]

SDK2 Or Udon?

[turbid ocean]

SDK 3

Do i need to use Udon to make this happen?

[rain shadow]

Yeah

[turbid ocean]

I have no experience with Udon, so what do I do?

Is there a tutorial on what to set?

[rain shadow]

Not specifically for double jump as far as I know

[turbid ocean]

What do I need to do to set double jump?

I've seen it in some worlds, but have no idea where to set it.