vrchat-general-2

[fossil idol]

Man is a literal zombie now

Poor zombie

Dont blame me you brought it up

Jesus fuck you’re giving me a stroke

Why does it me now who?

Ofc number one is always yourself

Unless you’re a superhero

Indeed

Wait what

Wtf are you saying man

Poor kid

Dont call him a mistake

You say Shit

No ty

Confusion

Has been maxed to the fullest

[vocal shard]

Egg

[regal fable]

I have 2 questions (will post in both general chats):
1: Is there a small version of an azure white (#F0FFFF) coloured mandalorian clad in neo mandalorian crusader armour? If not, is it possible to make one (perhaps with the edition of any other existing models)?
2: Could someone make a VRC world for mock combat simulation between players then as well as practice against a dummy with a variety of both ranged and melee weapons that work for both VR and PC users?

[twin fractal]

1: Maybe. If not, yes it's possible.
2: Yes, but not me.
(thought this was offtopix)
hope that helps

[oblique pond]

and then pudding

[high ridge]

you're an mvp, i appreciate you

[unique snow]

🤨

[tribal gust]

Waiting patiently for that VRCat plushie

[proper eagle]

[fresh garnet]

I'm waiting impatiently.

[vocal shard]

XD

[tribal gust]

Patience

it's just a part of being asian lol

[crude marsh]

Patience is the key

[frigid glen]

who has full body-tracking???

[noble depot]

the people in #full-body-tracking do, presumably

[vocal shard]

Lmfao

[hazy python]

help

[vocal shard]

Huh?

[hazy python]

#imhavingaseizure

[vocal shard]

What. Call a doctor. Call 911

Dont ask US for help.

[frank silo]

I can fix your seizure it's pretty easy

[vocal shard]

What.

[frank silo]

All I need is the numbers on your credit card

[vocal shard]

LOL

They then proceeded to call me in dms twice XD

[frank silo]

oof

[velvet wedge]

does anyone wanna be friends in VRchat? i’m new and suck at making convo🫦

[proud plover]

Is there anyone doing commissions for custom avitars If so plese send me a direct message

[ruby needle]

Take a look at https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions
Or VRCTraders in #community-servers-old

Always be aware of scammers!

[crude marsh]

[ruby needle]

Specifically from random DM's

Scammers are just waiting for questions like this.

[crimson wasp]

Is anyone even on

[inland drift]

yes i am on vr

[vocal shard]

#bottalk

Look in there. You can check how many

[velvet quarry]

One can also look slightly to the right and look at @floral flax 's status, which shows an approximately correct playercount at all times

[vocal shard]

Ohh

[open crescent]

[vocal shard]

Yep

4 times now. And said “my” ip adress

[open crescent]

[vocal shard]

I can dm lol

A ss

[neat falcon]

who is doing what with ips

i wanna click the grabify link gimme gimme

[stable thistle]

Is there a way off beta?

[hybrid oar]

beep

i crashed with 22 hours 😦

[vocal shard]

Gotchu

[proud plover]

@vocal shard may I pm about it

[vocal shard]

Sure

[sharp saddle]

#user-support-old

[raven onyx]

aah there were a channel. thanks for letting me know

[slender hemlock]

im new to vr chat and dont own a vr headset, any tips? should i invest into a vr headset?

[glacial jackal]

at lest for me if you are looking for a headset an oculus quest 2 is a good cheaper option

[sharp saddle]

Depends. What's your budget, do you have a VR-ready PC, are you comfortable with a lower-quality product compared to connected to PC (standalone Quest)?

[glacial jackal]

yeah I agree with that

[slender hemlock]

i have a 3070 gpu i say my pc pretty good. ive been hearing oculus quest 2 a good cheaper option

[meager solstice]

I mean my opinion it’s either quest 2 or index

As far as headsets go

[sharp saddle]

^

[frank silo]

If you want affordability, the ability to play wirelessly and don't mind buying a few accessories for comfort the quest 2 is the best choice. If you want Laser tracking, upgradability for FBT, superb sound quality, and dont mind paying 1000 bucks. The index is the best choice.

[noble depot]

the Index also has more widely supported finger tracking, and great customer support

[karmic rose]

Going outside is the most affordable reality

[open crescent]

Yes

[plucky sand]

does anyone here know where i can find a music playlist of the music that plays in the undernet world?

[north pumice]

Anyone down to play?

[tribal gust]

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My VRCat plush is running in circles 😭

[fossil idol]

Call em

[vocal shard]

I do not think calling is necessary, I think they are just not good with giving updates.

[north pumice]

Anyone down to play?

[vocal shard]

It is likely just being dropped off at various facilities on the way. I once had a package stop in multiple states before arriving in mine.

[umbral reef]

VRcat has arrived

Time to microwave it

[vocal shard]

NOO

[honest forge]

no

unhealthy

[sharp saddle]

Mine is in Vegas.

[open crescent]

your microwave is in vegas?

[vocal shard]

For a second I thought this place was playing persona music.

I heard the music track come on and it bears a resemblance to that calm cafe music.

What.

The place I am eating at.

[floral fable]

Have yall seen believe me on Netflix it's so good

[vocal shard]

Oh.

[vocal shard]

That would be wild

[sharp saddle]

Gentlemen! To general-2!

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-gerard-butler-captain-joe-glass-hunter-killer-im-coming-gif-18343913

@noble depot

[noble depot]

general-1: incomprehensible screaming
general-2: c a l m

[inland fiber]

indeed very calm

[sharp saddle]

Z e n

Several people are typing...

[restive junco]

yall like pineapple pizza or?

[inland fiber]

it's okay

[mystic narwhal]

NO

[inland fiber]

lol

[mystic narwhal]

curse of canadians on us italians

also wonder why there is not a test of this sort on PTR's servers and not the main ones

[vocal shard]

Eye

[peak nymph]

ah inner peace here in gen 2

[ruby needle]

What makes you assume there isn't?
Live deploys may still cause weird issues that in test where there due to either controlled enviroment not inflicting the issue or simply due to lack of the scale of the live enviroment.

[viscid delta]

Wow so much calmer here my head isn't frying no more

[mystic narwhal]

thats the thing, the ptr servers are the "perfect envroiment" and not "the usual envroiment".
almost feels like every time its tested where everything can be right, and when it meets the players it all fucks up.

[lethal horizon]

its kind of hard to place the scale of the live enviroment into a test one tho is the thing

remeber vrchat is dynamic in itself and to try and do that with a test enviroment would be a pain because you basicly would be duplicating all current infrastructure

also im talking from the hardware side, 0 idea the magic needed on the software side here

[fickle wasp]

Bro people need to calm down.

So many where freaking out

[muted wharf]

There's a saying of "only prod is prod."
It's nearly impossible to actually recreate the amount of load and pressure that the live environment will create.

[noble depot]

tired zuvali noises

[ruby needle]

And most importantly, the variety of the actual user base.

It's about time someone writes a AI that randomly installs and uninstalls programms all the time and mimicks various users behaviours to end up with actually scuffed dirty systems.

But even if you had the amound of clients, a reasonable set of actual reals world hardware constellations with various software / system variety that also has scuffed nonsense, you still couldn't guaranteed someone doesn't go poof for someone somewhere in some very specific condition.

[lethal horizon]

Why does this remind me of the 35tb bandit that happened

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/07/some-downloaded-34tb-in-a-month-aussie-broadband/ no person could have foreseen this

Literally a example of: we cant have planned for someone insane enough to do this

[lethal horizon]

That would be helpful on hardware side aswell, explain to me how the hell a user can fry hardware uninstalling a program

[bold sigil]

Was wondering if someone on the VRChat staff could speak about their experience of applying, getting the job, working there, etc.? If not, maybe point me in the right direction of some answers? Really would like to work with the team!

[muted wharf]

The software they uninstalled was meant to manage the cooling systems of a nearby nuclear reactor, thus resulting in fried hardware.

[muted wharf]

https://vrchat.com/careers is a decent start.

[lethal horizon]

lul, no somehow through uninstalling microsoft office it just noped and took out the hard drive. Honestly i still to this day maintain a brown out happened with the power and they ignored me saying to use a surge protector

[bold sigil]

Thanks! Been browsing for a little bit there. Just finishing up my BS in engineering. I'll take a look around LinkedIn and see if I can find some information.

[noble depot]

general-1 :monkas:

[open crescent]

What'cha talkin'bout willis

[vocal shard]

my Vrc is still down it won't let me login

[crude marsh]

Hmm

[dry carbon]

How would you explain VRChat to someone who has never played VR before?

[safe nova]

there is a space missing in the CULTURE chunk and it angers me very much

[safe nova]

its different based on the groups you hang out with and the worlds you visit, so just throw them in VR and let them figure it out

[vocal shard]

show dm

[safe nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/541180160007733250/966161097440788510/unknown.png

[vocal shard]

aaaAAAAA

[fresh garnet]

I literally re-wrote the entire Community FAQ page for them, because it's heavily outdated. Dunno if they'll use it though.

https://hello.vrchat.com/community-faq

[vocal shard]

brooo

[serene anvil]

Boowomp

[open crescent]

Chat but in vr

[rancid jewel]

[cursive crypt]

Anyone else having the game stuck loading when trying to boot it up?

[undone citrus]

I’m not stuck on loading per se, but it’s taking 10,000 years for anything to load. Even my own avatars

[vocal shard]

Why do you seem familiar DJ?

[undone citrus]

The one and only lol

[vocal shard]

Is that your same name on VRC?

I might be thinking of someone else

You been in the waiting room recently?

I think I saw you there

Because I thought I saw you there lmao

Nope I'm the same name

Huh

[vocal shard]

. . .

[vocal shard]

Yo

[fossil idol]

uwu?

[vocal shard]

UwU

[fossil idol]

UwU UwU

Im a disgrace of a man

[fossil idol]

No way

Uwu girl is a thing now? If your mouth doesnt go W then I’ll be upset

Cry moment

Oh hell no

[wise snow]

hi

[steel isle]

Who wanna be my best friend🥺🥺

[vocal shard]

Sure

[steel isle]

Yaya!!

[drowsy obsidian]

Helloooo

[fossil idol]

[drowsy obsidian]

🤔

[sharp saddle]

[silk edge]

cap

[restive sequoia]

So something of an oddball question for the vrchat team (purposefully not tagging to not disturb them), but for those who work at VR Chat:

How would you describe it compared to other jobs? What's the culture like there? Asking metaphorically for a friend. ^^

[vocal shard]

im a material girl ahaha

[daring sedge]

[frank silo]

🤮

[tribal gust]

I'm sure it's a great tiem

[gritty ibex]

k

[rancid jewel]

https://hello.vrchat.com/careers

they talk about that stuff here

[restive sequoia]

Thanks! 🙂

[plucky sand]

why do kids think yelling racial slurs is cool?

[frank silo]

Because they don't have a personality yet

[vocal shard]

Haiii! •^•

[tiny cairn]

Man, its hard making friends.

I only made friends on the "Backrooms" map lol

But y'know, nothing better to do when in the chilling worlds everyone is in one corner Shrug

[fossil idol]

Cant relate tho

[dense hull]

is there a 420 event anywhere tn?

[opal echo]

Anyone with the index think it’s worth waiting for the index 2? Or should I just purchase it now

[tiny cairn]

Oh well..

[molten perch]

I didn't even know they were making a Index 2 yet

[neat falcon]

index 2 hasnt even been announced yet lmao

[frank silo]

Or even been hinted at

[frank silo]

Where did you ever hear about an index 2 being released?

[vocal shard]

because half of them are unsupervised 7 year olds that have broken half of the VRC TOS

[silk edge]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-laughing-laughinglizard-hehehe-gif-5215392

[vocal shard]

The Deckard is pretty well known as the code name for the headset being worked on.

[frank silo]

Oh right that. Well even then the information is pretty scarce with leaks being the only source of info. I don't expect an index 2 to be announced for at least another year or two.

[karmic rose]

Even you saying that is speculation. It could be announced tomorrow for all you know.

[hollow ingot]

Annnd then it'd just be sold out blazin' fast again?

[karmic rose]

Yep but second hand cheap indexes

Still a dang good headset

[vocal shard]

Anyone wanna play tomorrow

[hollow ingot]

2nd-hand index with new knuckles!

[open crescent]

I hope so

[open crescent]

They are stupid as fuck and think saying "lol sorry it was a joke" will magically absolve them of consequences. (So report them so that they get banned)

[open crescent]

Probably not as fast because it's not going to be cheap like the quest

But you never know

[fossil idol]

[devout laurel]

Can someone help me on something with vrchat

[vocal shard]

Helloo

No bloody awnsers in this place

[fossil idol]

Yo mf pikachu

[vocal shard]

You like my hat

[fossil idol]

I lov pikachu bro

[viscid delta]

Pikachus cute an all but it aint litwick

[vocal shard]

Hm. If you can get one for half off maybe.

[ripe rapids]

General-2 is so nice and quiet

[blazing meadow]

You could become a ninja here

[ripe rapids]

Yes

[vocal shard]

Shiza, Shiza, Shiza, Shiza, Sanitata

helpmea

[daring sedge]

[odd crater]

I’m looking for a Spartan model, like a Rome Spartan model for quest

If anyone knows where one might be I would appreciate it very much! Also, I’m looking for a John wick model

[sick nacelle]

It would probably be better if you put that in #avatar-search-old

general 2 kinda dead

[odd crater]

Oh right

[karmic rose]

Mine was 600$ for like new condition with extra new face foam plates like a year ago.

[vocal shard]

For that price I can say that if functional, that is not a bad deal at all if for the full kit.

Still not something I would personally be too keen on though due to the tracking method though.

[zealous hull]

I personally think quest 2 is better bet

[vocal shard]

For most people the Quest 2 is the best headset on the market currently.

Outside of specialty use cases.

[zealous hull]

For that same 600 you get

the headset in new condition
and have 300 for ither a haptic vest or FBT

[grand swan]

fbt

[zealous hull]

Hitora X is good

Seen people useing it
Looks spot on

[karmic rose]

Quest 2 is manufactured no where near as well, and fuckbooks RMA process is basically "fuck you"

Index is way more comfy, the face foam is easily replaced. They have a strong history of RMAs even out of warranty and I can play in the dark. Plus that head band. My god. It's so nice. Just slips on and off, never have to adjust it again. Meanwhile the Q2 you basically have to upgrade the band or spend another 100$ on a DAS mod or some off brand solution. The quality of materials is vastly better. The Q2 is made of as thin of plastic as possible, the elite band is so thin they won't even warranty it.

You can make claims about how it's nice having an portable headset, or not needing a computer. It does have some nice things about it. But the Q2 is certainly not a better consumer device than an Index. That's just silly cope. Having owned bout every headset on the market, including multiple Quests, the difference is obvious and night and day.

[tall plaza]

even when you are elligible to get your headset replaced they send back a refurbished model from a DIFFERENT user who returned his headset.

[open crescent]

Well if it works it works innit

[karmic rose]

Get Zucc'd

[open crescent]

(there's also all the other advantages like field of view, audio quality, microphone quality, cool controllers, better tracking, easy upgrade path for fbt , no video compression, no facebook, etc)

the disadvantages of the index compared to quest:
-no wireless
-a lot more expensive

[karmic rose]

Yea. The FOV is pretty big to me. Hard to use a quest once you get used to the fov on the index.

[sharp saddle]

I wish I could use anything but inside-out tracking.

Smol playspace provlems.

[open crescent]

how smol are we talking

[sharp saddle]

Well, a lot more than at my old place but... still not a whole lotta room.

[open crescent]

because index seems to work decently for relatively small places too

[sharp saddle]

Eh... don't you need decent spacing to get the tracking right?

Plus, the massive amount of wires.

[noble depot]

2.0 basestations have a wider FOV

[open crescent]

it's one wire

[noble depot]

the wires are a concern though, ye

does the Index not have a link box? (edit: apparently not)

[open crescent]

if you mean the base station, well yeah but only to a power outlet

[sharp saddle]

I can't into cable management.

[open crescent]

it just magically divides into three wires once it reaches your computer: the power cable, the display port, and the usb

[noble depot]

pog

still couldn't use it on my system for hardware reasons though :sadge:

and also because i no displayport

[open crescent]

what does this sentence mean

[open crescent]

[sharp saddle]

Want a picture?

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

displayport, more like displaypoot

[open crescent]

now you have a reason to upgrade that 90's pc

[noble depot]

it's only a 2015 pc :sadge:

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

wonder if you could even launch the game on a voodoo2

every shader absolutely wouldn't work

[open crescent]

your voodoo card will be like :

[noble depot]

me irl

how could vrc not run on it though, it runs at a blazing 90mhz clock rate

[sharp saddle]

https://imgur.com/a/891a1M5

Look at this monstrosity of cable management.

[noble depot]

artemus finger reveal at bottom-left

also that is a monstrosity

[sharp saddle]

I can't into cable management.

[karmic rose]

I've used my quest while traveling and it works playing in the driver seat of my car lol

[noble depot]

but probably comparable to my setup lmao

[open crescent]

a true work of art

[noble depot]

I even have a tiny like 4-slot surge protector for my 3D printer alone

babby surge protector

[karmic rose]

Once used my index with a single base station sitting on my desk directly in front of me and that worked fine too

[sharp saddle]

3D printer hype.

[dry kindle]

OH MY GOD

[noble depot]

yus

I should print my avatars

[karmic rose]

Yus

[noble depot]

plasticvali

[sharp saddle]

Do it.

[karmic rose]

I've always wanted to print my taidum

Someone could make money offering that as a service

[noble depot]

iirc jlcpcb does cheap and good 3D prints

[sharp saddle]

Print yourself a desk sign of your name.

[noble depot]

print myself a 3090

[karmic rose]

Just for clout pics lol

[sharp saddle]

Even better.

[noble depot]

lmao

[karmic rose]

Can I print myself a life?

[sharp saddle]

I think that costs extra.

[open crescent]

I am seriously considering buying a laser engraver

or whatever it's called

[noble depot]

oh heck, I could even get some of those model paints that the giga nerds warhammer figure painters use

why am I hyping myself up for this that's gonna be so much work aaaaaaa

also laser engravers/laser cutters are cool

[open crescent]

[sharp saddle]

Is there a glass engraver thingy?

Wanna spice up my glass panels some.

Also, how the fuck does NZXT's H510 case get airflow?!

[noble depot]

with a laser engraver, ye

if you have a couple grand to spend on one

could also build one yourself if you're sadistic you have the time, money, and are very informed about laser safety

[sharp saddle]

HA! No.

[noble depot]

high-power lasers are terrifying lol

there's a point where you can go blind just by looking at the diffused dot on the wall, without eye protection

nevermind even scarier things like infrared lasers, which you can't effectively see

[grand adder]

so many words

[open crescent]

cheap laser engravers are like 200 USD I think

a bit less cheap ones are like 500 USD

the cheap ones don't do metal, likely also not glass

the other one does metal at least, dunno about glass

[noble depot]

badly filtered DPSS green lasers can also put out infrared light, especially when cold
that's scary as it might look like the laser's off, when it's really outputting high-powered infrared

one notable case of that is in cheap laser decorations like for Christmas or Halloween, the ones that spit out thousands of dots

you could have high-powered infrared dots in different positions than the green ones, which you can't see

[sharp saddle]

Spicy lights.

[noble depot]

^

[open crescent]

cheap lasers aren't high powered lasers

[noble depot]

you'd be surprised lol

a laser doesn't need to be able to engrave anything to damage your eyes

only needs to be >5mw

[open crescent]

ye but cheap lasers are usually like 1 mW

[sharp saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-cats-laser-pointers-me-chasing-my-dreams-running-in-circles-gif-11732851

[noble depot]

those laser decorations tend to be pretty powerful, though (~40mw)

they need to pass through diffraction gratings

the overall power is reduced per dot ofc, but they're still powerful

[noble depot]

also speen

[open crescent]

lol

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

have you seen that styropyro video of the tattoo-removal laser that was powerful enough to blast through soda cans lol

and also the cheap laser goggles they provided with it

[young forge]

Why can't pc players see quest only avitars

[open crescent]

lol no I haven't

[noble depot]

The Quest can only render content built for Android

[noble depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BeTq99LqUo

[young forge]

Ik, but why can't pc players see it?

[open crescent]

wait wait I think I did watch this ages ago

[noble depot]

Because PC players can't render content built for Android

[neat falcon]

why cant u play ps3 games in an xbox one

[noble depot]

It's like putting a playstation disk in an xbox, ye

[neat falcon]

cuz its not made for that system

[open crescent]

why can't I play ps5 games on my original Game Boy

[neat falcon]

[noble depot]

poor camera sensor gettin' pulverized lmao

[young forge]

But shouldnt an automatic conversation be really easy, like in unity you can just upload it with no/minor changes

[karmic rose]

Pretty sure my legacy Xbox can play PS5 games. Stupid arbitrary game blocks

[noble depot]

no, as shaders need to be changed

plus, optimization

[open crescent]

you can reupload it and make it pc compatible

[noble depot]

the Quest is a mobile device, running on an underclocked mobile APU

it already struggles with poorly unoptimized Quest avatars, nevermind unoptimized PC avatars that are 10x worse

[young forge]

I thought quest shaders work on pc

[noble depot]

they do, but not the other way around

[young forge]

I know

[open crescent]

that was insane

[noble depot]

ping

[young forge]

So shouldn't pc players be able to see quest avitars

[ruby needle]

It's important to understand the difference between the Unity side and the compiled packages

[open crescent]

they still need to be compiled first tho

[ruby needle]

If you download a program from the web as a .exe and run it on windows all fine

try running it on mac, no chance.

[noble depot]

again no, as the avatar package isn't compiled for PC

[neat falcon]

it is a lot easier said than done to switch an android assetbundle to a pc one

[ruby needle]

Now you can't just "load" the exe in a kind of editor and save on mac cus it's a compiled package for a different system

You can compile if from the original dev enviroment for a different one maybe, which compiles it completely different

but you can't take the compiled thing and just load it on the other system, cus it has been build for a different one.

[young forge]

Would making unity upload a pc at the same time as a quest upload work

[ruby needle]

you can upload to the same ID, yes.

[noble depot]

lmao ye, especially the part where he blasted a chunk of tungsten with it

that laser is terrifying

[young forge]

I mean like uploadeding to the same Id by default

[neat falcon]

that would fuck up a lot of things

[ruby needle]

Unity needs to be switched to android mode.
There is a reason for that not just being a simple tickbox.

[young forge]

How so?

[neat falcon]

unity would still be in mobile mode (like paul said)

u cant build pc content on mobile

[young forge]

I know, but can't it build both one after the other without needing user input?

[open crescent]

technically speaking, it could be automated

[neat falcon]

if someone wants to only upload a quest avatar, they should be able to

[young forge]

Why?

[neat falcon]

why not? pc only avis exist, why cant quest only ones exist

[young forge]

Because pc only are because quest can't run demanding avitars.

[neat falcon]

they exist for the same reason quest only avatars exist

if u only build content on one platform, thats the only platform thats gonna see it

[young forge]

But we could remove quest only avitars with no problem, if we removed pc only ones then quest will lag or pc players will have to downgrade

[neat falcon]

i feel like automating a pc upload for quest avatars would be such a niche thing that only a couple people would use

so its not really worth it being built into the sdk

[young forge]

Have it on by default or mandatory. Then pc players can see all the quest only avitars

[neat falcon]

then i have to deal with the fact that everytime i upload on quest, its going to override my pc upload

[young forge]

It would give pc player alot more avitars, I have been in world's with hundreds of quest only avitars and it just seams like a waist

[neat falcon]

pc players dont need more avatars lmao

[young forge]

No, I mean it upload one if you don't have one, if you do it wont

[neat falcon]

let them have their own avatars, we have our own, they can have theirs

[young forge]

I was to see my friends quest only avitars to, and they want me to see it

[neat falcon]

just tell them to upload it for pc

unless its not theirs, then you are out of luck

[open crescent]

always

[young forge]

But it's not luck if a small feature gets added

[open crescent]

that's not going to happen

[neat falcon]

that is not a small feature

[young forge]

It could be implemented with a very small amount of code

[neat falcon]

on upload, sure it wouldnt be all that difficult. but on all existing quest only avatars, that is a large feature which would probably mean server downtime

[noble depot]

no lol

[neat falcon]

on upload yes, it could be

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

"big feature can just be implemented in (xy) lines of code" is never true

[neat falcon]

not existing ones thiugh

[open crescent]

every time

[noble depot]

and if anything, shows a complete lack of experience in development lol

[karmic rose]

"uh actually it would be super easy to fix this highly complicated issue, it's only like one line of code when you entirely ignore the issue of scale or complexity of the larger picture. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I watch Linus Tech Tips."

[young forge]

It's literally just queueing two more jobs for a build

Switch build targets and build and upload for pc

[neat falcon]

for uploads yes, not for existing ones though

[young forge]

I wasn't talking about existing ones

[open crescent]

even for uploads, it's not ideal because of the differences between platforms

i.e. unsupported shaders, dynamic bones etc

[neat falcon]

quest to pc shouldn’t have any issues

[karmic rose]

I mean the fallback system exists.

Quest only avatars are like. Super rare.

[neat falcon]

i’ve only ever seen one

[open crescent]

quest to pc yes, pc to quest no, but quest only avatars isn't really an issue

[young forge]

Fallbacks shouldnt be relayed on as a default

[karmic rose]

Yes. 15k+ hours and I've literally seen maybe a small handful

[karmic rose]

Boohoo

[neat falcon]

quest only avi is the topic of conversation

[open crescent]

they could add a "build also for pc?" checkbox tho, but I see it as unlikely

do remember that vrchat is in early access tho

very much not a "finished" game

[young forge]

Id say have build for pc as a default and have a "don't build for pc" option

[karmic rose]

Open a ticket on canny. Posting here doesn't do anything at all

[young forge]

I wanted to chat to some other people first to see if it was a good idea

[karmic rose]

It's not really. But you don't agree it seems.

So file a report and let the devs decide

[open crescent]

#feature-requests is a channel for that specific purpose (for chatting about features, for actual requests you need to do the canny )

[young forge]

I agree converting existing ones is near impossible

[young forge]

Ah probs should have taken my question there

[split sigil]

haha

VRChat frying pan.

[vocal shard]

yo guys

why does my vrchat crash every time i load an avatar

[open crescent]

try a different avatar

[karmic rose]

#vrchat-general-1 is too chaotic. I'm gonna eat my cheeseborg here

[serene sun]

would an avatar with normal dynamic bones on pc work on quest?

[open crescent]

you still need to upload for quest

[serene sun]

i mean like a pc quest avatar that has dynamic bones

would it work? or is it awhole different thing

[open crescent]

no

[serene sun]

ohh alright thank u

[open crescent]

you need to convert the avatar (to use physics bones), and then upload for quest

[smoky depot]

Mmm, borgor

[vocal shard]

oh hi there

[karmic rose]

Wonder how many mod users are gonna be crying "my games broken what happened devs are shit"

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/peanut-butter-funny-gif-19249884

peanut butter

[smoky depot]

all of them lmao

[vocal shard]

no one ever listens

[karmic rose]

I listen. I just don't care

[vocal shard]

daaammmmnnn

you really came out

[daring spoke]

is there a way to not have the dynamic bones be replaced, this breaks 100% of my models

[open crescent]

I'm gonna make an avatar that counts this

[open crescent]

no

[daring spoke]

theres no gradual elasticity on the new bone so it does work well at all

[noble depot]

yes there is, via the stretch parameter

[vocal shard]

YOU ASSSS

your aura is just ass

[daring spoke]

so i just have to redo all the modelsmi had made for 3 years huh

[cerulean hawk]

What's the difference between physic bones and the old dynamic bones? Just optimization?

[noble depot]

Optimization, they can be grabbed, posed, they can have triggers on them to drive avatar parameters, etc

[open crescent]

correct, get to it

[daring spoke]

the grab thing is so dumb right now. it adds touch to what didnt have it and removed it from the things that did

[open crescent]

there was no touch before what are you talking about

[daring spoke]

Yes there was

colliders

[sharp saddle]

Bone touchers. 👀

[open crescent]

ah, you can still have colliders

[daring spoke]

those got broken

[open crescent]

[open crescent]

on your avatar, but you can fix them

[noble depot]

the bone touchers have escaped containment

[daring spoke]

with all due respect, go fuck yourself. im not in the mood to fix 30+ models some over 2 years old

[open crescent]

k

[sharp saddle]

SCP lore.

[cursive crypt]

I know Right

This in my opinion was a bad update

[open crescent]

nah

[sharp saddle]

Not really?

[open crescent]

it's what everyone wanted from the beginning

it's the greatest thing to happen to vrchat since... vr

[sly magnet]

I believe lot of ppl agree with you there

[sharp saddle]

^ Everyone had the ability to learn how it worked before release. Not our fault it took till just now to try to crash course it.

[vast tulip]

Then don't fix them? They auto convert in vrc

[cursive crypt]

The auto convert is pretty bad

[daring spoke]

i dont mind learning for new models but breaking everything is terrible

auto convert is the problem now

[open crescent]

most avatars work fine with the autoconversion

not all of course

[daring spoke]

no gradual dampening,,no gradual elasticity

[noble depot]

there is?

[sly magnet]

Lets say you convert it and you have your avatar with normal colliders.. BUT other people see it all ugly and messed up cause they have that option turned on

[cursive crypt]

Most avatars with skirts or dresses are fucked

[sly magnet]

good update gg

[noble depot]

you've both had more than two months to test this in the beta, and report issues on the canny

you can still do that

[daring spoke]

bad interaction with end bones and parent constraint systems

[noble depot]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports

[daring spoke]

its not my fuking job to test their system right. sorry but right now all i want is a revert back to the old system.

[open crescent]

enjoy your broken avatars then I guess

[cursive crypt]

Same

[open crescent]

this was a necessary step for vrchat, as dynamic bones was the single most CPU destroying factor in avatars

but avatar interactions is awesome

I for one am very happy

[cursive crypt]

Then maybe you should have polished it more

[sly magnet]

Dude basically whole gumroad is fucked then

[open crescent]

I don't work for vrchat

[sly magnet]

Doesnt make me very happy

[cursive crypt]

Well they should have

[daring spoke]

if you wanna touch virtual tits that bad git a different game. imdont need to interact with diffrent model especially if it breaks model that were working pectly fine before

[open crescent]

that shouldn't be a problem you can autoconvert before uploading and adjust them

but as i said most avatarsa work fine with autoconversion

[cursive crypt]

It's mostly the autoconvert that ruined everything

[open crescent]

not all are broken

[open crescent]

the alternative is completely remove dynamic bones

[noble depot]

if only there was a way to test this update for your specific models' use cases, and report if there was an issue

[desert stratus]

short copypasta:
what does this update add? - two very important things: an in house, free, comes-with-sdk Dynamic Bones replacement called Physics bones which is so much more optimized that it also runs on quest, and avatar dynamics which allows you to interact with other people's avatars (and worlds) more closely, including messing with other's physics bones.
how do i get the new bones? - every existing vrchat avatar will now come with its own default avatar dynamics collisions, and existing avatars that use dynamic bones will automatically* be converted to physics bones at runtime. with the new SDK, there is also a button to convert existing dynbones to physics bones in your project. since it has never been possible for quest to have dynamic bones, you will need to add physics bones manually to any quest builds.

in case anyone needs to send this to their friends

[sand dew]

ok since chat 1 is a bruh moment of chaos i'll ask here, whats happening with the IK beta build? cause its auto crashing my VRC on launch

[cursive crypt]

I'll just say skirts in general

[desert stratus]

this is what happens when no one abides by the two bone skirt church 😔

[cursive crypt]

What?

[daring spoke]

every single one of my model has bad conversions. EVERY ONE ... not just a few. every hair peice is stiff af and not fluid . every skirk clips like theres no dampening.

[desert stratus]

oh i should explain

[daring spoke]

dude this sucks ass and just make me want to stop making any models. the amount of love and effort i put into those and make public for everyone just got destroyed in one update ...

[desert stratus]

if youre really good at rigging and weight painting (and this depends on the type of skirt, works best with mini skirts that dont spread a lot) you can make a skirt that uses two dynamic or physics bones and no colliders while also looking really good and NEVER clipping

[cursive crypt]

Or you they could make a system that works

[desert stratus]

i mean its not like you need to anymore since physics bones exists

actually thats not true, i think by nature the kind of rigging job im describing is just straight up better

you can see it in this video

[frank silo]

I don't even care about having to re-update all my models. I just want them to make a game that doesn't get crashed every 5 seconds because of a child with a power complex.

[desert stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTLvUhPxyY

[cursive crypt]

Well the Auto convert should have done a better job

[daring spoke]

the clipping is only happening cause there no dampening . inertia or anything

[open crescent]

at least these tantrums are a more refreshing take than the same old "FBT is broken!" of angry mod users every update

[desert stratus]

(what this doesnt work on: not skirts, long skirts, really flared skirts, it still technically works but the illusion starts to fall apart)

[daring spoke]

i wouldnt call this a tantrum, its a step back for all content creators from 3 years back

[slate verge]

Are there some default Avatar Dynamic avatars where we can play test for fun currently? or does every creator have to update their avatars?

[open crescent]

yes

go to the avatar dynamics test world or whatever it's called

[slate verge]

oh okay

[open crescent]

"avatar dynamics beta"

[cursive crypt]

I would post a image of my favorite avatars problem but I can't upload images here

[open crescent]

#avatar-help

[slate verge]

it says we must be in open beta, but pretty sure it will work in the live version now right?

[noble depot]

ye

[open crescent]

the text is not updated

[cursive crypt]

It's not one of mine but I still need to update mine since auto convert broke it to hell and back

[daring spoke]

im on the verge of just deleting everything and uninstalling considering how bad this has been

[desert stratus]

you can always dm or link

[errant dust]

Does anybody have any pics of avatars how much messed up they look?

[desert stratus]

if you have your own avatars you do know that youre at least in control of how those behave

cant tell you much about favorite avatars that arent your own, but i think you should focus more on getting into contact with their authors rather than the vrc devs

[daring spoke]

i do my own but like i said , i don't want to and can't update all the stuff i've done over the past 3 years

[cursive crypt]

Or you know vrchat could have just not released a shitty update

[open crescent]

lmao

[soft ether]

hi

[noble depot]

^

[desert stratus]

im sure theres plenty of stuff you can update. but like as for the stuff you can, you probably should? also i think someone at some point mentioned there is an option somewhere to disable the runtime conversion but its only local

anyway i think a lot of context is missing from this conversation

[open crescent]

you had months to test this in the beta it's not even new

check console for errors

[daring spoke]

its not my job to make sure a new tool works properly UNLESS i was designing that tool.

[noble depot]

sure it's not your job, but it's something you could have tested

[open crescent]

it is your job to make sure your avatars work properly in the game

[cursive crypt]

^

[desert stratus]

you know why people still think that vrchat is single threaded? its not that vrchat itself is single threaded, its that Dynamic Bones are single threaded. thats where the whole "vrchat is actually single threaded and runs like shit" thing comes from. the vrchat dev team converting dynamic bones to physics bones isnt because they want to force their "new and better feature" onto you, its because its necessary in order for the game to actually get the performance boost this update promises, which is more or less the primary reason for physics bones existing, arguably moreso than it integrating better into avatar dynamics than they could ever make dynamic bones do.

[noble depot]

planning is important, especially when you've been able to test this update for months now

[daring spoke]

yeah somebody did test right

[open crescent]

I tested it yes

it worked fine except for a few avatars with stiff neck, which I reported

[noble depot]

they can't fix what they don't know - and because you evidently didn't report this issue you're having, it didn't get fixed

[daring spoke]

wann have a list of the things i reported that didnt get fixed.

[cursive crypt]

How can I report something I don't know what's wrong?

[desert stratus]

yes, its not a perfect conversion seeing as how they cant account for physics bones most likely behaving differently than dynamic bones and thus some values no longer meaning the same thing, nor the fact that as all programs is going to have errors here and there, but the fact that they bothered to make an automatic conversion at all rather than

block dynamic bones at runtime completely
or just let people continue to run around with dynamic bones
shows how important it is that physics bones take the load off of the rest of the game

[open crescent]

how do you not know what's wrong, why are you complaining then

[noble depot]

you'd switch to the beta, see the issue, and report it on the Canny with a picture and avatar ID, or whatever's applicable to the issue

[cursive crypt]

All I know is skirts are fucked

[desert stratus]

i find it hard to believe that you have been playing for 3 years since surely even you have heard that vrchat should replace dynamic bones with their own version at some point, hell it was one of the first popularly requested features almost as soon as dynamic bones became a vrchat thing

[open crescent]

ye

[desert stratus]

and as someone who makes avatars, you should also know that an update like that would warrant siginificant updating of any content you currently have. i dont think anyone was expecting them to make it so you could convert bones at runtime and in the sdk automatically, just that we were all going to have to do it ourselves

[cursive crypt]

The only thing better is dynamic bone interaction and multithreading

[desert stratus]

yeah thats kind of the point

[open crescent]

that's basically everything yes

[desert stratus]

they run better, you can have more of them, you can have them on quest, and you can do more things with them

[cursive crypt]

Except the main function

[open crescent]

update your avatars

you're going to have to adjust your avatars then most likely

[cursive crypt]

Can't when I didn't make them

[frozen wasp]

If you're having problems with the console saying that the editor.dll is not found or existent, or the mathmatics are missing from the sdk, and/or you are prompted to reload the sdk, remove Pumpkins avatar tools as it is not compatible atm.

[open crescent]

tell the author to update them

[cursive crypt]

Like that's easier said then done

[open crescent]

exactly

wait what? just send an email

or dm in twitter, or whatever they use

[cursive crypt]

You think I have random vrchat users personal info?

[open crescent]

if they don't have any contact info... well you're going to have to wait for them to update

[cursive crypt]

Ok and if they never do?

[open crescent]

use a different avatar

[cursive crypt]

😂

[desert stratus]

thats more on them than vrchat dev team if they never do

[open crescent]

indeed

[cursive crypt]

No it's the vrchat Dev's for not making the auto convert better

[open crescent]

lmao

[wintry ether]

You’re just going to have to wait tbh

[open crescent]

you can still report it if you want

[wintry ether]

See if they update and if they don’t then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open crescent]

to vrchat I mean

[cursive crypt]

Don't blame creators for having a working product then having a update break them

[wintry ether]

They had ample time to update. So ce they didn’t, that’s on them

[open crescent]

that's the thing about progress, you gotta deal with some problems to gain important new benefits

[noble depot]

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you lol
you've had two months to test this, and see if it caused any issues for your use cases

[cursive crypt]

People have lives

[daring spoke]

was supose to release a new model this w-e and this just added MONTHS and MONTHS of works ahead of it just so what ever was here before doesnt look and behave like dog shit. Jesus every update this game add has been 10 step back for a stumble forward 🍋

[hollow ingot]

Hiatus for over 2 months? rip

[open crescent]

yes I have a life too you are correct

[cursive crypt]

^

[daring spoke]

Like can you revert this patch and go back to beta testing more

[acoustic iron]

is the new update not working for anyone else?

[noble depot]

reinstall the game, and make sure you're using an avatar with physbones

[open crescent]

should've beta tested it in the previous months, for now you're gonna have to do it on live

you can turn dynamic bones on locally

but everyone else will still use the new version

[noble depot]

you've had two months to do that - however, you can still report bugs with the auto-conversion to the canny

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports

[wintry ether]

This update is incredible for creators. Clients are just gonna have to wait until creators can catch up. Just have a bit of patience

[acoustic iron]

ive tried that and im in an avatar that had them its just not working but its working for others

[noble depot]

make sure your interactions are enabled? o:
https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/avatar-dynamics-live

[cursive crypt]

Waits for months for favorite Avatar to get fixed and it never does

[onyx parcel]

as usual kids here cry around because of an update, even tho there was enough time to test everything :^)

[hollow ingot]

😨

[noble depot]

otherwise, try switching to a different avatar, or updating that avatar with the most recent SDK if you're the creator of it

[wintry ether]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[daring spoke]

testing everything is not my fuking job

[honest forge]

is it bad that even tho i have the game muted, i can still hear the button sounds coming from the ui?

[daring spoke]

i swear people that say this shit just never made a model worth more that standing still in front of a mirror

[noble depot]

again sure it's not your job, but it's something you've had two months to test

[daring spoke]

i was busy making models

on a system that works

[onyx parcel]

😂

[honest forge]

relatible

i only got like one avatar in ob but everything seemed fine

[noble depot]

you don't have to test it - and you didn't, evidently - but as a result, the issues that you're having now weren't fixed in time for the live release

[open crescent]

spooky

[noble depot]

ghost UI

[wintry ether]

Growing pains are real, but on the other side of this we’ll have something thatMs more performant and fun to use (avatar interactions for example)

[cursive crypt]

Imagine blaming creator's and saying oh just go fix them when some creators have a shit ton of avatars that would take weeks even months to just fix them all

[honest forge]

all dyn bones are converted tho

[wintry ether]

^

[honest forge]

and theres a setting to switch them back

[noble depot]

the game's still in alpha too lol, big things can and will change

[open crescent]

that's only local tho

[honest forge]

yes

[cursive crypt]

In the sdk or vrchat it's self?

[open crescent]

the game

[cursive crypt]

Where?

[daring spoke]

im blow your house up and then tell you " look on the bright side now you have space to build a new house. Here's a hammer

[open crescent]

my house is not a free game in alpha state

[noble depot]

surely, resorting to threats helps build credibility to your argument

[open crescent]

I don't even own a house tho, I wish I did lmao

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

perf menu, but dynamic bones will be removed outright in the future, and that option is only local - test your avatars, report issues to the canny, update your avatars, etc

[open crescent]

remember that everyone else will see the new version, only affects your point of view

[daring spoke]

its not a threat it's just an example of how stupid and infuriating it is to just hear : well just rebuild.

[noble depot]

yes, it is a threat lol

[cursive crypt]

That's fine

[open crescent]

you don't even need to rebuild just adjust the parameters your threat disguised as an analogy is stupid

[honest forge]

mornin

[daring spoke]

damn have you ever made anything in unity before thats a bit more advanced

[open crescent]

yes

[daring spoke]

its not just adjust the paramenter

[desert stratus]

its not like theyre asking you to re-rig the model

theres even a button in the sdk that converts dynamic bone components to physics bone components to get you started

[daring spoke]

no but some have a lot more than just a bone with a few slides moved around

also some are broken in unity since they were made 3 years ago

[desert stratus]

the bigger point of contention would be avatar dynamics colliders

um

if you have a project you can no longer work on

then it was kind of doomed from the start

only a matter of time before something somewhere inevitably breaks it

[slim jewel]

Does anyone know how to get dynamics for quest? I'm trying to help my quest friends see them

[daring spoke]

no cause it worked fine prior to this update

[open crescent]

they're already there

[desert stratus]

thats a bit suvivoresque

i have a lot of 2018 avatars and had to remove older favorites for just straight up being broken in functionality

[open crescent]

next you're gonna say you're still using SDK 2

[desert stratus]

not everything stands the test of time

[slim jewel]

Wdym? Can you explain?

[open crescent]

as long as you update your game you can already see them

[stoic drift]

Hi I have a question does anyone know how to make the arms move in blender?

[daring spoke]

you're just so fun to talk too ain't ya. No im using sdk 3 but some model were still on sdk2 obviously since they are 3 years old

[daring spoke]

pose mode

[slim jewel]

Okay thank you

[stoic drift]

Thank you my friend is just starting out and she doesn’t know how to do this

[open crescent]

of course if an avatar doesn't have them, they are not going to magically appear tho

avatars that have bones on pc but not on quest will still have no bones on quest, they need to be uploaded on quest with bones using the new sdk

[open crescent]

but try the "avatar dynamics beta" world, it has some sample avatars

[vocal shard]

Only avatars with physbones work for quest?

[desert stratus]

?

i mean, avatars with dynamic bones dont work on quest, but avatars with physics bones do

[vocal shard]

Ah I see

is this channel safe from the complaining about dynamic bones not working

[hollow ingot]

No

[vocal shard]

dangit

[fickle wasp]

Where do I get the sdk ?

Is it in the normal spot on the website?

[vocal shard]

Anyone wanna play?

[ruby needle]

Why not just check the normal spot, before asking such a question?

[fickle wasp]

Sorry I just thought I'd ask

Im not at my pc rn and wanted to know ahead of time

[strong oar]

do people just join public lobbies and talk to random people in this game? or how do people meet people?

[noble depot]

pretty much ye, either that or joining events, or joining off friends

I'd generally recommend visiting less popular (i.e non-front-page worls), to avoid kinds and trolls c:

[strong oar]

that's a good shout

maybe I'll feel less nervous then c:

[open crescent]

correct

[strong oar]

cool

really wanna meet cool friends on vr, I feel like that would be a really nice experience

[hollow ingot]

Just gatta dig deeper.

[strong oar]

dig deeper?

[karmic rose]

Can we just take a moment of silence for poor Will Hong? Thanks to VRChat, his asset, Dynamic Bones, became the #1 most downloaded asset on the Unity Asset store. And now, in the blink of an eye. His golden goose is done laying eggs.

RIP money printer. 2014-2022
You won't be missed.

[open crescent]

LMAO

he probably had a pretty good time already

[noble depot]

still kinda sad and funny how fast that multithreading update for DBs came out after PBs were announced

[open crescent]

[placid umbra]

I would loooove to know how much they ended up making from Dynamic Bones, but alas

I think it's safe to say that it paid off pretty well for them

[open crescent]

for sure

honestly he fucked up bad

fucking left the asset to rot in old version hell for like 10 years

if he had kept improving it, none of this would've happened

[karmic rose]

For sure. considering it was never meant to be such a big thing. he def got a nice bit of pocket change.

[noble depot]

well, DBs still didn't have the other features of avatar dynamics

i.e triggers and grabability

[open crescent]

well yes but it could have been integrated into it

[karmic rose]

not truly, VRC would always be incentivized to develop their own in house solutions to all systems. it may have been shelved for longer, but it would have been replaced regardless of what he did. VRC did the right move, in house solutions are always better than relying on a third party no matter how good the third party is

[noble depot]

but considering DBs are currently #5 on the top paid assets in the Unity Store, he's probably doing pretty well lol

[open crescent]

this is not always a viable solution

[karmic rose]

Not always, but when you have 95million $ in investment, it sure as shit becomes possible

[open crescent]

making inhouse solutions requires a lot more work time and money

remember "summer 2021"

Aev I'm looking at you waves fingers

[placid umbra]

People being driven towards a purchase in order to make VRChat avatars with bone movement wasn't the nicest process, I'm definitely glad that we can offer it (but way better) to everyone for free now.

[karmic rose]

absolutely, an arbitrary barrier to making avatars was always annoying.

Makes it much more approachable for users to create content with little to no investment

or any investment they do spend past any models, can go into VRCs pockets

[open crescent]

lol

[noble depot]

oo, bakery's on sale
looking at the asset store was a bad idea

[open crescent]

I really want RayFire

[karmic rose]

Dynamic Bones is 50% off too!

[vocal shard]

Lol

[noble depot]

that's also on sale, but it's still $85

[noble depot]

:sadge:

[fluid hedge]

Does anyone knows if dynamics are working on quest? Avatars that I had previously tested on beta don't work on the live version for some reason

[karmic rose]

Note, there is a hard limit now, if the avatar exceeds VeryPoor

[ruby needle]

Which is definitely a good thing.

[karmic rose]

Least the limits aren't too restrictive. I can fairly easily add them to a few avatars without issue

[open crescent]

:Harold:

[noble depot]

noo test why did you make me aware of rayfire now I want it too

[open crescent]

[noble depot]

and you can export the meshes so you could use it in vrc
my walleT NO-

[karmic rose]

would be neat

but 85 bucks. ouch

[open crescent]

on sale

it's like 150 normally

[noble depot]

170 normally

[karmic rose]

That's still too much

Time to go find wifi and a place to plug in my laptop so I can download unity and upload some quest avatars with dynamics

[formal adder]

do old dynamic bones still work?

[open crescent]

no

[open crescent]

read #announcements

[velvet solstice]

Anyone wanna play vrc for a little bit

@ me if you wanna play

[compact harbor]

murder mystery is so funnnn

like i was just playing and it was sooo fun and funny

[velvet solstice]

Meh

It's ok

[noble depot]

yus, so much cool stuff bein' done with OSC support o:

[karmic rose]

"vrc devs never do anything cool for the game"

[noble depot]

inb4 someone unironically says that today

oo, that sounds awesome

can use osc output to connect it to Ableton o:
aaaa

can post images to Imgur or etc, and then post a link here

[boreal ember]

potato

[boreal narwhal]

where da black wolves?

[hollow ingot]

... That's alot of audio sources. derp

[vocal shard]

so uh
my rotation has been completely broken
I keep turning right without comfort turning on and with comfort turning on it does nothing besides moving forward if you push left on the stick
I've tried a restart, reinstalling vrchat, and resetting all caches that the game lets me.
wtf??

Anyone want to help me and my friend be part of a short film for alien day we only. Need 3 people

[open crescent]

Remove connected controllers

[vocal shard]

I use a Rift, switching to my Quest over virtual desktop also didn't fix it

it randomly fixed itself right now but it did this before and started again randomly

[daring wren]

How do you reset bones that have been posed, if you are in desktop mode?

[vocal shard]

I have none connected, only happens when vrc is in focus

[civic void]

did anyone elses front hair break with physboneseven even in unity

[winged gull]

Yes, on several avatars. And my clothing

[young forge]

Do quest get physbones to? My gf is on quest and she can't see bones move

[sharp saddle]

#announcements

[young forge]

Oh did the patch fix it?

[sharp saddle]

Fix what?

No, am referring to the thing about the Quest having limits.

[noble depot]

The Quest gets physbones yes, but it has limits - if an avatar goes over the limits, it won't have physbones shown at all

further, no existing Quest avatar has physbones, so there's nothing to convert - you'll need to find a Quest-compatible avatars with physbones added to it

[young forge]

I uploaded the test avatar and that didn't work

[tender hamlet]

wait so i have to update my avatar do phys bones? do the dynamic bones not work anymore?

[noble depot]

No, and kinda
Dynamic Bones are automatically converted to Physbones at runtime - you don't need to do anything, but if the automatic conversion doesn't work well, you should manually convert them in the editor (via VRChat SDK > Utilities)

[tender hamlet]

do i have to do that in unity?^^

[noble depot]

Automatic conversion is done at runtime, ingame - manual conversion is done in Unity though, yes c:

[tender hamlet]

ohh okay thanks : D!

[noble depot]

yw!

[tender hamlet]

[vocal shard]

Alright now I've got an issue

I updated vrchat and now I can load into my home world just fine, but when I try to join a friend my screen fades dark and just sits there for a good 10 minutes before it decides to take me to the world.

I got in the world and I was fine for about 15 minutes and then it crashed me. I tried to rejoin my friend but it just kept sending me to empty instance despite the fact I was literally accepting invitations.

Info- wifi is normal, and I use standalone quest 2

[tender hamlet]

im not sure but it could be from all the new updates n stuff a lot of people got issues since

maybe u can try reinstalling vrchat

[timid heart]

Dead chat

[vocal shard]

Hyi

[eager mirage]

yo

[vocal shard]

U good

[eager mirage]

ya u

[vocal shard]

Great, I thought no one would talk to me

[eager mirage]

oh y

[vocal shard]

In general chat 1 I'm being ignored

[eager mirage]

oh

[vocal shard]

Ya

[inner hearth]

@vocal shard because ur 4head too big 🤨

[unreal shoal]

👀

[finite ingot]

I have a simple question, how can I Entry to Rank ((Trusted))?

Does the number of hours of play have to be more than 500?

[broken plover]

the amount of hours has basically no impact on trust rank
You just play vrchat to rank up
Add friends, interact with other people, etc

[kindred fulcrum]

And avatars you make

[fierce otter]

don't forget worlds, after i made like a simple world i changed into trusten

#avatar-help

i think its better to ask here

[serene hollow]

ah yes i remember making avatars.. I won't be doing that any more.

[inland turret]

wait making world and avatar helps u rank up?

but i make like 5 avatar and 1 kinda complicated world but still on a user rank

[serene hollow]

it also gets you hordes of friend requests if that world becomes popular

when i published project ebott the first time and hazbin hd the number of friend requests was like a tidal wave

i got to trusted rank like a rocket ship screaming into orbit

[inland turret]

maybe the popularity helps?

yeh my world is not popular XD

[rough cove]

Does anyone have an Arceus Avatar

[daring sedge]

#avatar-search-old go there

[finite ingot]

I makeed 6 avatars and a world and I have 100 friends but I'm still a user

[vocal shard]

Huh. What rank are your friends

I inly have 600 friends but most are trusted and known and im known

[finite ingot]

600! Are you a trusted or veteran?

Oh i think i'm stupid your known And I ask

[vocal shard]

What.

Theres veteran?

[rancid jewel]

yeah but it isn't shown in game

[vocal shard]

Wheeee

[rancid jewel]

it's only in the api, and it doesn't give you anything above trusted anyways.

[vocal shard]

Where then

Hmm.

[rancid jewel]

an easy way to see it is using something like vrcx to tap into the api.

[vocal shard]

Ooh

[wide chasm]

Discord Suggestion: Allow people to make threads in the help channels

[karmic rose]

Threads eventually archive. One of the most useful aspects of this discord is being able to use the search tool to find answers to questions and issues that you have before asking yourself. By sectioning off information, you make it harder for people to see if a problem or question they have, has come up before.

This is also why I refuse to provide help via DMs. Because if I spend however long helping someone find a solution to their issue, other users should be able to benefit from that time invested.

[wide chasm]

You could record videos of fixing various issues and provide them to people with common issues-

[tacit plank]

The update broke my tracking

I can see my foot-trackers, but only my hip-tracker is actually doing anything. If my legs are too close, they're sometimes joined into a single leg, so it it seems that they're recognized. But moving my feet does nothing

I've tried restarting VRC and steamVR, and using other avatars. No luck

Btw, I have no mods installed. IK beta (toggling it does nothing), SteamADV settings, VRCX

avatar 3.0 Tracking-type value is 6, I'm in regular fullbodytracking.

[vocal shard]

Lol

[warped fog]

it broke my joins

[scarlet trellis]

does anyone have this problem where Everything is slow in vrchat ike loading in a world and avatars and your avatar favorite your social too

[vocal shard]

Clear cache

[scarlet trellis]

that does not work

[noble depot]

what platform are you on?

[scarlet trellis]

P c <

[noble depot]

Try restarting your router, and otherwise try using Cloudflare Warp? o:

[tacit plank]

full hdd?

[scarlet trellis]

Nope

its still same

[olive ice]

@scarlet trellis try:

open cmd by right clicking on it and select open as administrator
enter the below command
netsh interface tcp show global
look at line 2 "Receive Window Auto-Tuning Level" if it says disabled we need to turn it on
enter the below
netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=normal

[scarlet trellis]

Its not disabled

[olive ice]

maybe reinstall vrc or it might be your internet

[scarlet trellis]

did that 2 times i reinstall on my disk d then c

and its still same

it was normal before the update came

[olive ice]

hmm maybe report it as a bug

[fickle venture]

Is there any way in desktop mode to grab other players phys bone when playing VRChat?

[noble depot]

No, there isn't

you can interact with them iirc if you can hold your hand out via an animation or arm puppet, but otherwise no

[tender hamlet]

Can quest users use phys bones too?

[silk bear]

How did vrc screw up with this physbones update,the auto converter sucks so much,it breaks avatars that have a lot of dynamic bones

[neat falcon]

yep!

[vocal shard]

Well. Make your own game

[silk bear]

GG VRChat, you just made the game worse

[vocal shard]

Stfu

Make your own game.

I bet you it wont ever be as good as vrchat

[silk bear]

You stfu,do you wanna be kicked? Stop this mean shit

[vocal shard]

Well, you are the one criticizing the makers

Not even in a nice way

[silk bear]

I'm not criticizing, I'm just stating facts

Now stfu and leave me alone

[vocal shard]

No u XD

[silk bear]

I'm not doing shit,you're the one who's bullying me

You started it

[vocal shard]

Im not bullying?…

[frank silo]

That is the dumbest argument to these things. Games better than VRchat already exist and they don't have the same playerbase. However as for the other guy SweetCandy he's just rude

[vocal shard]

I meant ones he made

[silk bear]

Shut up peasant

[frank silo]

Why would he do that?

[vocal shard]

Damn. Degradation?

Im into that you know. So i wouldnt

[silk bear]

I'm reporting your discord, goodbye ,get banned, XD

[frank silo]

That's not nearly enough to be banned

[vocal shard]

Oki

[neat falcon]

L take

[vocal shard]

not the first time someones “reported” me

[neat falcon]

physbones add more for people to create + make the game run smoother

[vocal shard]

Anyways. Nice pfp tho

[neat falcon]

put some work in to fix your avatars and you will agree

[vocal shard]

XD

[silk bear]

I'm done,I'm leaving this shit discord server, 2 people have harassed,bullied and threatened me

[vocal shard]

Oh.

[neat falcon]

threatened

[vocal shard]

I. Didnt mean in a bullying way?!

[silk bear]

Bye,I'm quitting vrchat

[neat falcon]

[silk bear]

I'm done

[vocal shard]

What.

[frank silo]

lol

[silk bear]

F U

[vocal shard]

Im so confused right now.

[frank silo]

I'm confused too

[neat falcon]

its not an airport my friend, you dont need to announce your departure

[frank silo]

LOL

[vocal shard]

All i did. Was say stfu to you because you were literally saying “the game is shit and that all they did is fuck it up more”

[modest warren]

they left

[vocal shard]

Im. Legit so confused

[modest warren]

my only problem was that rather than give specific feedback, they just said "things are broken"

[frank silo]

Look man, his profile banner is litterally a crying child

[vocal shard]

Ah.

[vocal shard]

IKR. I SAW

[modest warren]

with more details it would've been better

[frank silo]

critizises
gets critizism back
Rage

[vocal shard]

Lmfao

[vocal shard]

Pokémon gotta catch me all

[outer stump]

kindergardon fight

[grand zealot]

In this discord, is there a general channel for showcasing worlds rather than avatars? Not sure if #world-development is the right place for it.

[outer stump]

what

[grand zealot]

read what I said properly

[outer stump]

oh i get it now

[grand zealot]

personally, I think this place should have a #world-showcase channel side-by-side #avatar-showcase

[queen tangle]

Someone with same problem or someone that knows why since the update my scroll wheel on the mouse will not work on pick up items? I am on PC not VR/Quest.

[sacred sage]

is there any one who can do avatars for free for pc and quest add me and dm me plz

[vocal shard]

How does being a security work, never heard of that

[sacred sage]

i have to change it

[vocal shard]

What do you mean?

[sacred sage]

the club is no more

[vocal shard]

Damn they fired you?! I'm sorry