I just consider it fortnite 10 year old slang
#vrchat-general-2
frosty scarab
honest forge
well people confuse the quest as a console now. and thats like a parenting book thing apparently. give the child a console instead of a pc so you dont have to monitor it. - Jason’s and Dale’s entertainment for youth guide
urban rapids
i have seen so many brush monkeys
dull thunder
I just consider it fortnite 10 year old slang
its annoying so its my favorite
frosty scarab
Joshdub did the vr community, faze did fortnite🤣
worldly swan
Yeah and then people realised that catchy annoying phrases get lots of views so they did the same
urban rapids
pavlov was funny
honest forge
omg the brushes. and the annoying twitch streamers who are visiters because they get their old accounts suspended over and over
vale osprey
Brushes must die
frosty scarab
SHEESH
worldly swan
Like, the official discord bug report server? One person made a fake video showing that it’s easy to get the reward and now everyone things you get that without even reporting a bug
dull thunder
i play onward only
worldly swan
Bug net
honest forge
free food? jk
worldly swan
It’s a profile badge
frosty scarab
Oh
worldly swan
I don’t have it and I kinda hope I never do
frosty scarab
I solved a discord wide bug
urban rapids
i would do anything for fried chicken sub from publix
frosty scarab
And I got no credit
dull thunder
lmao tuff
frosty scarab
Y'all should bow down to me
worldly swan
Yeah I refuse to interact with their bug system now
frosty scarab
As Bug King 👑
worldly swan
No you bow to me, I reported 2 discord breaking ios bugs XD
urban rapids
XD
dull thunder
haha out done
worldly swan
Actually only one of them was breaking, the other one wasn’t so much
frosty scarab
Fuck you@shy spoke.
urban rapids
XD
dull thunder
lmaoooo
urban rapids
Denied
dull thunder
big time
urban rapids
XD
honest forge
oop
vale osprey
I'm excited bout the updates that are gonna happen but kinda bummed bout them changing some of the API
worldly swan
So both of these are fixed now, but you know how when you do /shrug it has the message: bit? When that was first (accidentally) released on iOS it stopped you using any / commands and pretty much broke your chat if you did, and the other one was on like an iPhone SE or anything the same size if you held down for the menu you could use everything there
vale osprey
I've had this app called Vrctracker that you can backup n favorite avatars on the fly with and just before two days ago you could look at people public avatars right from your phone n favorite them
But now they changed the API so literally can't see public avatars anymore on the app
worldly swan
Oh I was wondering what people meant by that
People were like “oh make it so you can see public avatars again” and I was like “but you literally could, I checked like a week ago” but I guess it’s a lot more recent
dull thunder
i wonder what rank i am
vale osprey
So I'm pretty bummed bout that
ivory zealot
@vale osprey that sounds highly against the rules
vale osprey
It's not really
honest forge
the api is technically public at all times. however its a bit tos unfriendly
frosty scarab
I got a question
honest forge
its a loop hole
vale osprey
Y'all think they will change it ti where you can again?
frosty scarab
What was y'all's best dream?
dull thunder
what?
urban rapids
I got a question
Did you teleport bread?
languid beacon
Catching up on the livestream yesterday. VRChat future looking bright tbh
vale osprey
I'd love for that app to work again
urban rapids
oh, hmmmm
vale osprey
Well you can still backup avatars
urban rapids
thats a hard question
vale osprey
But not see public avatars it's annoying
honest forge
i dont remember dreams
worldly swan
It’s kind of abuse, but at the same time it’s not really breaking TOS. You’re not ripping the avatars, you’re just cloning them without physically being next to a person or pedestal
dull thunder
What was y'all's best dream?
i was driving my dream car after working on it
frosty scarab
The best dreams, are the one's you never remember.
frosty scarab
Remember that.
vale osprey
It’s kind of abuse, but at the same time it’s not really breaking TOS. You’re no...
Exactly nothing wrong wuth that and its so much easier to do that then go to all these worlds
honest forge
loop holes
worldly swan
Oh yeah, I had an awesome dream and I only remember my gf was in it and some stuff happened but that’s all I remember, I don’t have any clue what exactly happened just that it was a good one
honest forge
thats fair. but they want you to have limited avatar access so they can get you to get the 100+ avatar slots they offer
vale osprey
If I can do it on the fly on my phone then why go to the world then but to appreciate the look of the world and if theres other cool stuff there
But if it's just a mirror abd some avatars then what's the point
urban rapids
what rank do i have to be to search avatars XD
honest forge
my world that has avatars is more world than avatars. heck- theres no pc avatars in that avatar world lol
worldly swan
Dev rank
ivory zealot
what rank do i have to be to search avatars XD
That's not a thing
honest forge
triple trusted rank to search
frosty scarab
My best dream was when I was waking up, saw this random foxgirl, and it was the best dream ever
honest forge
ultra violet color
worldly swan
My best dream was when I was waking up, saw this random foxgirl, and it was the ...
You sure you didn’t just fall asleep in vrc?
dull thunder
My best dream was when I was waking up, saw this random foxgirl, and it was the ...
what???
urban rapids
XD
frosty scarab
Nope
honest forge
that justs sounds like a normal day
dull thunder
yeah
frosty scarab
To save the shit
worldly swan
Yeah that’s just vrc that’s why I had to ask lol
frosty scarab
It was basically if I was in that one anime
ivory zealot
I'm partial to catgirls myself
urban rapids
if i were to dream i would wanna be godzilla or something XD
honest forge
anywhere you go. that is your dream
frosty scarab
What tv can do to you
dull thunder
fr
honest forge
dude.... id dream of food
urban rapids
food
worldly swan
Frick tv, just too much vr at this point
frosty scarab
I literally dreamed I was in senko
honest forge
im so freaking hungry lol
vale osprey
What are the chances y'all think of them making us able to see public avatars again
frosty scarab
Weird enough
worldly swan
It depends if it was intentional or not
honest forge
5 years
umbral reef
What are the chances y'all think of them making us able to see public avatars ag...
Low as they dont disable things for shits and giggles
worldly swan
They’re reworking the databases atm so it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a by product of that
dull thunder
im so freaking hungry lol
me too
umbral reef
If the API for it got removed it kinda means someone abused it
worldly swan
It either means someone abused it or they had to disable it for a bit to fix it
umbral reef
And with it not being officially supported, your kinda SOL when they limit it
honest forge
yea. its also unfun seeing creators disable or remember avatars so frequently now these days because of fear from being sniped
vale osprey
Did they ever say anything bout the API change or nah
worldly swan
They were saying in the stream, you know when you couldn’t change worlds for a bit? That’s cause they had to take it offline for a while to change the code/DB
vale osprey
I'm hoping that's why
ivory zealot
To be fair it never really made any logical sense that the API was displaying every public Avatar that was being uploaded
worldly swan
Yeah they said quite a bit about the change but it was hidden inside the “what happened to the servers”
honest forge
holy #%%^, michael reeves explained how API and web servers worked. i completely forgot
worldly swan
When?
honest forge
2 years ago
vale osprey
I just wanna be able to see the avatars again
honest forge
my brain just randomly remembered that video lol
vale osprey
I had so much fun looking through everyone's creations with so much ease
meager solstice
I just wanna be able to see the avatars again
Crazy idea, just go to worlds and find cool models
dull thunder
michael is a stupid smart person
worldly swan
This is what I paraphrased with the API/server issues from the stream btw
What happened with the servers?
When VRC was first made they were running the presence off of a single reddis node. (Presence is where you are, what you’re wearing, who’s online etc.). To combat this they use reddis-cluster, however this didn’t affect presence and so it still caused issues and presence continued to crash the other things. While they worked on rewriting the presence system they used mongo, however this didn’t buy enough time so they had to occasionally take the API offline entirely, which was when you couldn’t change world or log on but you could still talk to people in your world. They are working on this still but it is getting better.
umbral reef
michael is a stupid smart person
He knows how to read a book and google, so that helps for sure.
worldly swan
Michael and toast do just both have very high IQ aswell though
vale osprey
Crazy idea, just go to worlds and find cool models
That's time consuming and if I have a specific avatar I wanna give to a friend that i do not have backed up on my app i have to go the world and get it that way which is a waste of everyone's time
dull thunder
he made a robot dog piss beer
worldly swan
Not only that, he made the robot dog piss beer and then slip around in its own muck. He made a robot get drunk.
dull thunder
true true
vale osprey
I got so used to changing through avatars on the fly over n over and looking for avatars for people that way
It's really fun and useful
But now ya cant
honest forge
he made a robot dog, do what we trained them to do not inside the house. inside the house lol
meager solstice
That's time consuming and if I have a specific avatar I wanna give to a friend t...
I think it’s more fun to go to the worlds and actually explore
urban rapids
its more fun for me to socialize with people
dull thunder
then he drove like 500 miles just for fucks
meager solstice
Then to sit in front of mirror#16363 and just switch models
ivory zealot
Especially because you can immediately test out the Avatar when you change into it
vale osprey
I think it’s more fun to go to the worlds and actually explore
Yeah but literally some worlds are just a mirror abd the avatars that's it what's to explore there
worldly swan
The thing with exploring worlds is if you don’t know where to start you’ll never find it. If you want a specific avatar then you probably won’t have a world for it unless it’s a common one
honest forge
ok, but in this dudes offence tho. some avatar worlds suck for avatar changing. the mirror settings would be weird. the lighting would be too dark or something weird. and other issues
vale osprey
Also another thing some people don't even have a world for there avatars
meager solstice
@vale osprey geeee I wonder why
honest forge
and idek how the “plane” method doesnt work for avatar creators. but its technically proof that avatars are different from worlds
ivory zealot
If they don't have a world for their avatars it's because they don't want literally anyone to have them
worldly swan
Plane?
honest forge
@vale osprey daaaaaang that sounds like theft now lol
worldly swan
Yeah that’s why it’s frowned upon
vale osprey
I wouldn't call it theft really
umbral reef
Also would have made it stupidly easy to steal avatars
ivory zealot
If you're using a public Avatar that does not have an avatar pedestal without the owner's permission it's basically stealing
honest forge
@worldly swan so most avatar worlds are just a plane right. but for slme reason, the creator chooses to mess with stuff(?) and they wont know how to fix it
dull thunder
if i like a skin i trade for it
umbral reef
If you're using a public Avatar that does not have an avatar pedestal without th...
You do know cloning is a thing right?
worldly swan
Because it’s arguable that for certain avatars it’s theft, and then counter arguable that they should’ve made it private and then counter counter that they need to be able to share it still and etc. Etc.
meager solstice
If you're using a public Avatar that does not have an avatar pedestal without th...
Not how that works
vale osprey
Some people honestly don't care too
honest forge
i like the idea of avatar trading. its like the most innocent thing in the universe for this game imo lol
worldly swan
And at the end of the day, make it private if you want someone will still rip it
ivory zealot
You do know cloning is a thing right?
I know it's a thing. They might have made it public so their friends could use it and then one of their friends leaked it
honest forge
@vale osprey dont change my words like that
meager solstice
I know it's a thing. They might have made it public so their friends could use i...
What¿
vale osprey
I'm not I'm just saying some creators actually don't care and wanna see their avatars used and out there
honest forge
people do make avatars public so only their friends can use it lol
ivory zealot
people do make avatars public so only their friends can use it lol
Right? It's not exactly a crazy concept
worldly swan
It’s a whole issue that should really have been dealt with better by the devs we’ll put it like that
umbral reef
I know it's a thing. They might have made it public so their friends could use i...
Yea, still does not make it theft tho
worldly swan
Realistically there should be public, private and “only I can share”
ivory zealot
Realistically there should be public, private and “only I can share”
Now that would be awesome and would basically solve everything
vale osprey
people do make avatars public so only their friends can use it lol
Well that's a thing too i didn't ever really take those that have someone s name on it like private to blank
honest forge
thats why avatar-dimension and whatever the other avatar group is for. they are like the people that help each other who have like 1-2 avatars and put them somewhere where people can see it without needing a world
main gust
My friend can't join nor invite people. He can't change his status and when he goes into a world he can't see anyone. He's restarted about 3 times already and is fully updated, if any knows how to fix this please let me know
worldly swan
Now that would be awesome and would basically solve everything
Provided they fix the ripping issue too, yep
meager solstice
Provided they fix the ripping issue too, yep
U can’t fix ripping
honest forge
@vale osprey that is literally half of the main reason why avatars are going private too. so stop twisting my words lol
worldly swan
I mean I reckon you can, but I’m not technically developed enough to know how
vale osprey
I'd make avatars myself if I knew how I'll probably look into it sometime
vocal shard
My friend can't join nor invite people. He can't change his status and when he g...
Has he tried reinstalling the game and clearing the cache?
honest forge
@worldly swan that is sadly impossible
vale osprey
<@!234448788058537984> that is literally half of the main reason why avatars are...
I'm not twisting your words dude
worldly swan
But if you can encrypt a password surely you can encrypt a 3D model
meager solstice
I mean I reckon you can, but I’m not technically developed enough to know how
No game on this planet has stopped ripping
ruby needle
But if you can encrypt a password surely you can encrypt a 3D model
Except that it's completely different.
Because unlike with your password, which only you need to know.
Everyone needs to be able to decrypt the 3D model, else they wouldn't be able to see you.
honest forge
ok, so you encrypt an avatar... great!. but you can just decrypt it because you uploaded it. and can essentially unload it
main gust
Has he tried reinstalling the game and clearing the cache?
I'll tell him now
worldly swan
Yeah I know it’s completely different in a lot of aspects, but tbh I don’t know enough about the process of ripping to really properly understand how impossible it is (which is probably a good thing)
honest forge
and if you see something. it is technically there and everyone has the anility to take it out
vale osprey
I just wanna be able to switch avatars and check em out on the fly like i used to man
ruby needle
Yeah I know it’s completely different in a lot of aspects, but tbh I don’t know ...
The problem is very simple.
The client always needs to be able to read the actual model because it needs to do that to show you in other peoples clients.
Thus the client will ALWAYS have to have the decryption keys withing them.
honest forge
use favorites. or ask the avatar authors with the avatar code and slap them on a plane like normal people used to do before favs
worldly swan
Yeah fair enough
So would it be better to say that vrc could probably make it a lot harder to rip them or is it kinda at its peak still?
umbral reef
So would it be better to say that vrc could probably make it a lot harder to rip...
Well they can remove ways for you to see the avatar. Past that they cant do anything really.
vale osprey
use favorites. or ask the avatar authors with the avatar code and slap them on a...
I do use favorites but i would literally get on VRC and just find a avatar author and go through all there avatars to check out what cool stuff people make and show em off to my friends literally no harm there
honest forge
vrc could try temping certain processes to make it harder. but unity becomes the next issue. you can only hide so much
umbral reef
And a example is them removing the API to swap into public avatars with an ID
It means you cant just render any avatar that is public but have to actually find them.
meager solstice
So would it be better to say that vrc could probably make it a lot harder to rip...
Unfortunately ripping is a problem for every game, no game has stopped it and no game will stop it.
worldly swan
I still think it’s possible, just not yet
vale osprey
I didn't even keep most avatars I found
honest forge
it is not. you can theoretically make it harder
i feel like thats why theres an issue here @vale osprey
ruby needle
It will never be as long as the hardware to render the image is at peoples houses.
The only way to actually fully protect against ripping is cloud gaming to which the user has no access too besides the actual game.
umbral reef
Only way to make something ripper proof is to steam the content with a platform like Google Stadia.
That way your own PC does not have any of the files and cant steal it because of that.
coral temple
i wish friend nametags were entirely yellow, not just the name
meager solstice
@ruby needle vrc on stadia when?
dull thunder
i wish friend nametags were entirely yellow, not just the name
wym?
honest forge
stadia time. isnt stadia no longer aval in certain regions?
coral temple
wym?
my dumbass doesnt recognise when a friend randomly joins me, as the nametag is so similar to a normal person
honest forge
also. is it sertain or certain?
dull thunder
my dumbass doesnt recognise when a friend randomly joins me, as the nametag is s...
like the oval around them?
meager solstice
certain @honest forge
coral temple
like the oval around them?
yeah
honest forge
@meager solstice thank you
worldly swan
And I’m not talking about just ripping either, imo there’s probably a lot more in terms of encryption in general that could probably be even more encrypted. Or at least layers upon layers, kind of like how you can send an untraceable email. Encrypt something, then encrypt the key, then encrypt the location of the key then encrypt both of those the same and on and on and you’d get to a point where surely it’s impossible to get the data back without following all the authentication protocols. Just a theory though.
umbral reef
Beside adding more then one encryption helps nothing
ruby needle
The thing is, people would just extract the decryption keys very quickly from the game it self and then all that remains is additional performance impact for no actual security gain. 
coral temple
usually when they're far enough a yellow dot appears above them
yeah it's a yellow shield iirc, but when they're close enough I just don't recognise its them unless they're in one of their own avs or they talk
honest forge
@worldly swan thats what im saying but you got unity in the way. and people can obviouslly tell a program to find the decryption stuff right inside the file and then unload it
vale osprey
Fuck I may not be able to get my borderlands avatars now
meager solstice
Fuck I may not be able to get my borderlands avatars now
Go download one from model source
worldly swan
Yeah I mean it’s not going to happen for a while and I don’t understand encryption processes well enough to make it myself
dull thunder
yeah it's a yellow shield iirc, but when they're close enough I just don't recog...
idk what to say then, sorry
ivory zealot
It's kind of the nature of the way the game works. It's open source as hell so it's hard to crack down on something like this
karmic harbor
My friend bought me quiche model for birthday he's a madlad
honest forge
there are programs that literally figure this stuff out for you
vale osprey
No there's an avatar author with a lot of really good ones i just gotta find if he has a world
shell grove
dam VRchat for Nintendo Switch still not announced 😔
karmic harbor
But the problem is i can't make good avatars
shell grove
*Disclaimer, this is a joke
meager solstice
dam VRchat for Nintendo Switch still not announced 😔
I know was really hoping for a late 2021 release date, but looks like it wasn’t on the road map
worldly swan
Oh yeah sure there’s programs that can still decrypt it for you, but then it requires more specialist equipment and not just anyone can do it
shell grove
I know was really hoping for a late 2021 release date, but looks like it wasn’t ...
qwq
worldly swan
When is vrchat on google cardboard omg
dull thunder
oh god delete yourself
shell grove
It already is, it's just called Quest
worldly swan
XD
dull thunder
damn pain
shell grove
lol
ruby needle
Oh yeah sure there’s programs that can still decrypt it for you, but then it req...
The big problem with all of that is that you'll degrade the performance for every user.
Is that really worth the little time gain?
It takes a read into what to do already, you'll just find decryption tools together in these guides then in the future.
rancid jewel
vrchat
dull thunder
yes
shell grove
ve are chatting
dull thunder
void stop
shell grove
no
dull thunder
plz
umbral reef
Yeah I mean it’s not going to happen for a while and I don’t understand encrypti...
A really tl;dr version of this is:
Think of it like a key and a lock.
At one point to get inside (render the avatar) you need to hold the key for a second. In that second you can also just make a copy of the key.
Hiding the key better before you get it wont solve that.
Making is you need a second key to open a lockbox for the first key wont solve it.
dull thunder
my family is scared
shell grove
ve are chatting with them too
karmic harbor
Yall do anything one of ya would like to help me with making custom quiche ?
shell grove
wot
dull thunder
worldly swan
You were talking about cloud gaming though, would that be impossible to rip? At some point surely you’d get cloud gaming at a speed fast enough to run something like vrc off of that
umbral reef
Cloud gaming means you cant play Vrchat at all 👀
It was us joking a bit
shell grove
I have a model and other stuff but can't out this shit together
oof well #avatar-help is usually the best place to go
karmic harbor
Oke
dull thunder
i wanna play already
meager solstice
You were talking about cloud gaming though, would that be impossible to rip? At ...
Side not.... would rather never play vrc again if it went cloud gaming exclusive like stadia only
worldly swan
Idk I still stand by the opinion that it’ll be possible at some point. Whoever found out about fire probably never thought we’d be able to communicate across oceans
shell grove
ah yes, I want cloud hosted levels of latency in VR
Sounds like a wonderful experience
worldly swan
That’s my point though, no one wants it yet but at some point wouldn’t it be fast enough that the latency is negligible
umbral reef
You do be talking about a physical limit, not just a software one.
Data cant travel faster then light :x
shell grove
Cloud hosted gaming is problematic for numerous reasons
dull thunder
damn
worldly swan
I mean maybe it can, just not travel so much as mirror. Quantum be weird.
frosty scarab
It's possible
ivory zealot
Cloud hosted gaming is problematic for numerous reasons
Hence why Google stadia is hot garbage
meager solstice
Imagine 120hz on quest vrchat
Isn’t that like a quest beta thing?
frosty scarab
Yeah
dull thunder
it is
shell grove
Hence why Google stadia is hot garbage
I'm glad Stadia exists because it singlehandedly brew significant doubts about the viability of cloud gaming lol
vocal shard
Hence why Google stadia is hot garbage
?
shell grove
Cloud gaming is just a shit concept
frosty scarab
Rj
worldly swan
The oasis begs to differ
frosty scarab
Why did I say my own name
dull thunder
But if It can on pc...
ima play vr chat in a bit anyone care to join me
frosty scarab
I meant rn
meager solstice
@shell grove I think Microsoft’s xcloud (or whatever it’s called) is probably the best way tbh
umbral reef
The oasis is from a shitty movie and a good book
shell grove
Yes, I'd like to deal with constantly being tethered to an internet connection and dealing with variable latency whilst also not owning anything I buy
inland galleon
I do “cloud gaming” between my PC and iPad and it works fine
shell grove
Sounds like the future of gaming to me
worldly swan
The oasis is from a shitty movie and a good book
Books a banger, love it. Second one is good too
frosty scarab
ima play vr chat in a bit anyone care to join me
Based on how cute your avi is...
Idk how I'm depressed, but soft at the same time
dull thunder
what??
shell grove
I'll quit the industry before I see the dystopian shit that emerges from cloud gaming
frosty scarab
It's like im vulnerable
dull thunder
its a small character
worldly swan
I'll quit the industry before I see the dystopian shit that emerges from cloud g...
1984 be like
shell grove
Nah, it's a question of actual ownership
frosty scarab
Quest update adds wireless pc link
worldly swan
The issue with dystopian and things people like in dystopian things, is that a lot of stuff nowadays is inspired by it :/
shell grove
We've been getting further and further away from actually purchasing games and moving towards relying on digital licenses for everything
Cloud gaming is the pinnacle of that
umbral reef
You'd be amazed how much dystopian things we already have, just with less neon lights
frosty scarab
Yeah
shell grove
The moment they no longer actively host that game on their servers, you're fucked
worldly swan
Yeah that is an issue
dull thunder
im getting on
worldly swan
But I still think it’s doable eventually
shell grove
If Cloud gaming ever takes off, it will be more of a detriment to the industry than anything else
meager solstice
I’ll say this tho.... I don’t really care about owning a game
frosty scarab
Imagine oculus makes a store for different headsets
shell grove
The ONLY approach I like is Microsoft with their Gamepass/Xcloud offerings
worldly swan
I beg to differ, if it kicks off and it kicks off well it’ll change things worldwide
frosty scarab
And then disables quest 1 and 2 store in a couple years
meager solstice
The ONLY approach I like is Microsoft with their Gamepass/Xcloud offerings
They did it right to be fair
worldly swan
If it kicks off like stadia and Xbox remote connection it’ll die out
vocal shard
no
shell grove
Cloud gaming isn't a terrible concept but it's a landmine of bad ideas
worldly swan
Yeah I can’t argue there
frosty scarab
The oculus go store is getting removed this summer
meager solstice
Good
shell grove
What do you think is going to happen when Google inevitably shuts down Stadia
worldly swan
But if we ever find the right path through the land mine we’ll be on to stuff
shell grove
All those games people purchased? Gone
feral ice
oh good point\
shell grove
Like they were never there in the first place
worldly swan
You can argue the same for steam tbf, if steam gets shut down a lot of games are gonna have a hard time getting on their feet
shell grove
Ownership? Gone. Offline play? Gone. Mods? Gone.
worldly swan
But then look at anki. They officially went bust, but then someone else bought over their servers so Cosmo and vector still work
shell grove
The day that cloud gaming replaces traditional hardware is the day the industry loses all the soul it had left
rancid jewel
oh god please i hope that doesnt happen
probably will though :(
feral ice
I think the future of cloud gaming isn't like google stadia where you buy the games from them, I think it's like plutosphere, shadow pc, geforce now, etc. where you use the games you own already
shell grove
I don't think it will
worldly swan
I mean vrchat gets close at times don’t you think? All the worlds like murder, hook junkers etc, none of those are local
shell grove
That's a problem as well
But it comes with the territory of VRchat being an online game
I generally dislike always-online unless the game absolutely requires it
feral ice
i can also see cloud gaming completely flunking as people start worrying about privacy
worldly swan
But inevitably the moment that multiplayer games were invented it became a game of how long can we keep the servers up for vs how long do we actually gain money
worldly swan
i can also see cloud gaming completely flunking as people start worrying about p...
Facebook go brrrrrr
rancid jewel
look at stadia
it's cloud gaming and it fucking flopped lmao
worldly swan
Stadia took off? Must’ve missed that
frosty scarab
It died
shell grove
Reminder that every PS4 is basically a ticking clock until Sony's servers are shut down and you can't reauth after replacing the CMOS battery
frosty scarab
Stadia took off
worldly swan
Stadia barely lived realistically. We aren’t ready for it yet.
frosty scarab
And died seconds later
feral ice
Facebook go brrrrrr
exactly, if someone asked you "would you give access to your whole computer to facebook?" you'd say no. That's why i don't think that they can ever release a successful cloud gaming program
Edit: i think i pinged you on accident, sorry
rancid jewel
stadia took off but it didn't have enough fuel so it came crashing back down
shell grove
Stadia's issues were way beyond "us not being ready for it yet"
Stadia was plagued with mismanagement and technical issues
frosty scarab
It's like putting mentos in carbonated water
shell grove
I think the thing that really killed Stadia was the pricing model
worldly swan
exactly, if someone asked you "would you give access to your whole computer to f...
I think some of the issues in that sense lie with “can we ever force companies to get on the moral high ground and stop selling every living or otherwise thing on this planet”
shell grove
Asking people to buy games in a single purchase like traditional titles was such an immeasurable misstep
feral ice
I paid for stadia and it was very slow. I have good internet and other cloud gaming services work fine
frosty scarab
Xbox is starting to blow up cloud gaming
feral ice
i got the actual stadia device which i don't regret as i now have a chromecast
shell grove
If Google had given Stadia the time and attention it needed and went with a Netflix-style subscription service, it could've very well been successful
worldly swan
Oh yeah stadia could’ve been great
shell grove
But they didn't, and it's failure is something I hope other studios learn from
worldly swan
It wouldn’t surprise me if it was sabotaged internally to fail
feral ice
But I really do think that plutosphere, shadow pc, and geforce now have it right. people don't want to buy their games on a service that might eventually shut down.
worldly swan
Shadow is a good step
shell grove
I think Cloud gaming can be an excellent compliment to traditional hardware
feral ice
i can't wait for plutosphere if you can't tell lol
worldly swan
Now we talking
shell grove
The only time it becomes an issue is when it's posed as a replacement
worldly swan
Yes
shell grove
Like Google did
worldly swan
I don’t wanna play superhot via cloud, but I might want to play vrc via cloud
feral ice
I think Cloud gaming can be an excellent *compliment* to traditional hardware
exactly, I have a good computer but it's not VR ready.
worldly swan
But I think to start with we need to be able to do both, and I think companies except for like shadow are missing that
shell grove
Xcloud really is ingenious because Microsoft is utilizing the install base they've already been growing
The entire Gamepass service is going to keep growing and keep getting better because at no point Microsoft ever said it will replace traditional releases
You aren't expected to drop $60 on a game that will eventually leave the services
frosty scarab
Um
shell grove
Unlike Stadia which expected everyone to be gung-ho about everything moving to the Cloud
worldly swan
You aren't expected to drop $60 on a game that will eventually leave the service...
cough Nintendo cough
frosty scarab
So remember microsoft buying discord?
shell grove
*cough* Nintendo *cough*
I lowkey hate Nintendo lul
worldly swan
Same
frosty scarab
Amazon is trying to buy it too...
feral ice
Xcloud really is ingenious because Microsoft is utilizing the install base they'...
yes it's an addition to a good service you're already paying for and youdon't have to use it. It's like if steam made a cloud gaming platform
worldly swan
Love their ideas, hate their execution
worldly swan
Amazon is trying to buy it too...
Microsoft was never confirmed, all that was confirmed is that discord is potentially looking at being bought by a large company
frosty scarab
It'll be Twitch 2.0
worldly swan
Could be Facebook for all we know, personally I’m hoping google cause then at least maybe it won’t die
shell grove
I'm already preparing to move off Discord lol
frosty scarab
Moderation wuse
rancid jewel
shitcord
unreal verge
Something new Amazon can throw Prime at
shell grove
Probably going with something self-hosted
frail badger
Is the camera location done automatically
feral ice
i really hope they don't get their hands on it
to make a server you must pay for discord nitro
to add more than 5 friends you must pay for discord nitro
to join more than 7 servers you must pay for discord nitro
frosty scarab
Cause microsoft is thinking of teaming up with playstation on something
shell grove
I dislike the idea of any of these major companies buying Discord
ivory zealot
Is the camera location done automatically
What do you mean?
worldly swan
And I’ll be real with you guys: discord is already killing itself, but all you front-end users don’t see it. The people like me that get to glimpse the backend like the bug report server? It’s already a hell hole.
feral ice
i really hope they don't get their hands on it
```to make a server you must pay ...
that's not something they're doing, i can just imagine something like it
frosty scarab
And if they incorporate in onto xbox
shell grove
The major advantage they would have for purchasing Discord would be the massive userbase to exploit
frosty scarab
Game chat could be with other discord users
frail badger
So I've uploaded my avatar that I've worked on, and I feel as if the camera location is like 4 inches infront of where my eyes in the avatar actually are
vale osprey
Ok so i checked any avatar I have backed up on that app has a world for em
feral ice
And if they incorporate in onto xbox
that however would be amazing
frosty scarab
Look
worldly swan
So I've uploaded my avatar that I've worked on, and I feel as if the camera loca...
In the descriptor there’s a view position, you want that to be just between the front of the eyes normally but mess around with it
shell grove
Personally, I think if Microsoft buys Discord, their endgame is to integrate it into Gamepass with Nitro
frosty scarab
I'd choose microsoft over amazon
ivory zealot
So I've uploaded my avatar that I've worked on, and I feel as if the camera loca...
Just move the Avatar descriptor 4 inches back and you'll be fine
frosty scarab
Personally, I think if Microsoft buys Discord, their endgame is to integrate it ...
They did it before with perks
worldly swan
I’d choose google over anyone because I feel like they’d try not to touch it too much
frosty scarab
Like a free year of postmates
shell grove
Microsoft's MO right now is to just build the biggest possible install base
They'll do whatever they have to grow it
frail badger
My avatar descriptor is attached to my Player, is that the issue
worldly swan
And for now I think steam is winning, but if Microsoft gets discord they win (until discord becomes teams 2.0)
frail badger
Is that the/an avatar
feral ice
They did it before with perks
and that's how i got 3 months of the $10 nitro and a bunch of games for $1 😎
frosty scarab
Yea
shell grove
I imagine more than likely Microsoft will drop Discord Nitro Classic, and just include Nitro into Gamepass
worldly swan
Nah they’d never get away with it
shell grove
You're forgetting this is Microsoft
worldly swan
Classic generates too much revenue I’ll be honest
worldly swan
It’s just not viable to drop classic, otherwise discord would’ve already
frosty scarab
Like the game pass incident
hexed raven
hello guys
shell grove
Well, that's just what I assume would be MS's major goal
hexed raven
what we talking about?
feral ice
but you could get both nitro and gamepass for $10 when it'd usually cost $20. There are a few pros but they don't outweigh the cons
worldly swan
Oh yeah I normally I’d see Microsoft doing it but not with this
shell grove
The more people they get into the Gamepass ecosystem, the better off they are
worldly swan
They’re more likely to make it so you have to pay for other stuff
frail badger
Ok the View Position is now set basically where a 3rd eye would go
worldly swan
Ok the View Position is now set basically where a 3rd eye would go
Is it the same height as the other 2 eyes?
frail badger
Yes
worldly swan
Sounds good
frail badger
It's just behind the ridge of the nose
worldly swan
Yeah discord would be perfect for game pass, which is why they don’t want to ruin it
worldly swan
It's just behind the ridge of the nose
Perfect
shell grove
It's also possible that Microsoft would include Nitro into Gamepass and leave Nitro Classic as it is, but I really doubt it seeing as keeping Nitro classic a thing doesn't help their goals
Xbox Live is in a similar situation
frosty scarab
15$= EA play + Xbox live gold + Discounts + hundreds of games + deals and offers for other services
worldly swan
They’ll probably change up classic a bit, have some sort of integration to live still
shell grove
Microsoft wants to drop it and include everything into Gamepass, but it's still around because a lot of people only use Live
frail badger
Also, is there a way to test the avatar
frosty scarab
15$= EA play + Xbox live gold + Discounts + hundreds of games + deals and offer...
Discord would make this a no-brainer to get
worldly swan
There’s the emulator for av3, and test locally for pc
frosty scarab
Cause if you get all that separate
rancid jewel
Also, is there a way to test the avatar
click "build and test" in the builder tab of the sdk
frail badger
Like with my world, I can click Force Non-VR and it will boot up an instance
frosty scarab
You'd be paying around 70-80$ a month
shell grove
Gamepass is going to pay off majorly for Microsoft if they keep growing it the way they are, and they know it
They'll do whatever they can to keep that growth exponential
frail badger
There's only Build & Publish for Windows
worldly swan
Nwy can I recommend you go to #avatar-help or #avatars-2-general because you’ll be able to get better help without our cloud/Xbox convo
frail badger
Oh I've actually been keeping up with microsoft x discord deal
shell grove
A lot of people assumed that the Bethesda deal would majorly pay off for the exclusive games, but truth is, they really wanted to get all those titles onto Gamepass
frail badger
I don't want Microsoft to touch Discord
worldly swan
Neither
shell grove
They did it immediately as the acquisition went through, they did a marketing push showing off Bethesda as part of the Microsoft family
worldly swan
Tbh I just don’t trust companies yet
shell grove
Never do lol
worldly swan
We don’t have a single company yet that I can point at and go “yes, this is a company that I can put trust into to not sell my data and always protect my rights”
shell grove
Microsoft is not your friend. They're making Gamepass a great deal because they want you to sign up.
All that matters is you click that button
feral ice
anyway i'm bored so i'm going to hop back in vr chat, my username is "Parz1vaI" the end is an upercase I if you want to add me
worldly swan
Google is like 1 step at a time with that, mostly so they don’t fall into the same pit as Facebook are but I still don’t fully trust them
shell grove
Google is the absolute last company to trust lol
frail badger
Am I #avatars-2-general or #avatar-general btw
shell grove
Facebook is already under heavy scrutiny because they fucked up
worldly swan
Exactly
frail badger
Ok I will check what SDK I dragged into Unity, I'm new to the VRC Content Creation side of things
shell grove
Google is still dealing with legal issues that stem from Google+
frail badger
VRCSDK2-2021.01.19.07.28_Public.unitypackage
👍
worldly swan
For me atm it’s Facebook, then joint Amazon/google then Microsoft then steam. But it’s not exactly who’s best, it’s more who’s least bad
shell grove
Valve is at least honest about their intentions
fierce parcel
is there someone i can talk to about the dcing bc of unusual client behavior? i don’t use clients but i keep getting dced every 30s
shell grove
Valve's #1 goal was to create perpetual income from Steam and game services
worldly swan
VRCSDK2-2021.01.19.07.28_Public.unitypackage
👍
I recommend sdk3 in the future btw, it’s generally better. If you’re just starting though use SDK2 to practise the basic upload but when you want custom animations change to 3
shell grove
They did that. Now their goal is to get ahead on the next wave of technology
They sure as hell have the funding to do it
worldly swan
Valve's #1 goal was to create perpetual income from Steam and game services
And because they were open about that they realised they had to protect people’s data to allow people to trust them with their money. And they did that too. They’re just not a tech giant yet. Soon though hopefully.
frail badger
Can I upgrade to it or
fierce parcel
is there someone i can talk to about the dcing bc of unusual client behavior? i ...
mannn i just wanna play the gameee
shell grove
Valve is a giant, depending on your definition
They hold the largest marketshare for PC gaming
worldly swan
You kind of can, the #avatar-help people know how to update it really well
shell grove
And make perpetual income from the largest marketplace
worldly swan
Valve is a giant in terms of licensing and selling, just not in terms of platforms and tech and stuff like that
frail badger
I'm down to just make a new unity project and have a 3.0 version
shell grove
They have the power, they're just more interested in maintaining that power than fucking around like Google does lol
worldly swan
I mean why fuck around and make mistakes when someone else can do it and get into trouble first
shell grove
exactly
nova tendon
yes
shell grove
Valve is always playing the long game
worldly swan
Yep
nova tendon
valve expensive
shell grove
When brain interfacing develops to the point of commercialization, Valve will be the first company there
They're going to have a leg up on everyone else
worldly swan
I thought they were done for with the Q2 and then the Q2 actually released and well... Facebook definitely cut some corners
shell grove
This is pure speculation but I imagine they want to push Steam to continue it's dominance as other medias adapt to brain interfacing
Steam will go far beyond games
worldly swan
I hope steam never dies. It’s a beautiful idea.
rancid jewel
of course valve's gonna be ahead, they're valve.
valve knows what they're doing
nova tendon
wee u were real weird last night
shell grove
Valve is a company that has always taken risks and experimented to stay ahead
That's really showing right now
nova tendon
True
rancid jewel
wh
what on earth even happened last night
all i remember was i was talking about the dev stream
shell grove
row 22
nova tendon
you were very uh idk? pumped at 1:30 am while on vrc
worldly swan
The thing with steam is it’s basically the pancake version of rp1 oasis. If they had it for only VR Games and 3D intractable we’d basically be there.
rancid jewel
row 22 👀
shell grove
shh
rancid jewel
also for me it was like 8 or 9 pm or something before i stopped talking in chat
also i wasnt on vrchat 🤔
worldly swan
Aight I gtg eat, good chats
shell grove
And yeah, brain interfacing is going to only grow and expand to take over other mediums as time goes on
Ye ye see ya
rancid jewel
shh
selecting an item on row 22 sends vrchat+ cat to your house and you can pet the cat
celest narwhal
so avatar collision is gonna be a thing?
rancid jewel
yes
celest narwhal
epic
celest narwhal
i bet the ppl who sit at mirrors giving headpats will be happy.
languid beacon
Will the dev stream be put on youtube so i can start linking to specific times in it
rancid jewel
i'm gonna give my avatar a big fuckin hammer
celest narwhal
someone might upload the vod
frosty scarab
I like giving love to anyone, sometimes the mirror
celest narwhal
i watched a highlight reel video tho
vale osprey
Yo guys I'm on rn and I literally can't hear anyone for some reason everyone's voice is off
shell grove
Known bug, restart your game
shell grove
My bat already bonks, I have it as a gesture
But avatar dynamics will prevent misfires so thats neat
urban rapids
We need an atomic Bonk
frosty scarab
Yes
vale osprey
Fixed it somehow my safety settings got reset to literally allowing nothing
smoky flare
question how would you get legendary or Veteran User tag?
rancid jewel
you don't
small wing
^ You don't intentionally
rancid jewel
legendary is literally impossible, can't be obtained in any way anymore
small wing
Having a higher rank isn't all that great imo
rancid jewel
its literally just a colored shield with a colored term
small wing
Api abusers will constantly point out your rank and make you feel weird about it in public
smoky flare
i understand that i was just wondering
vocal shard
api kids be like OMG A LEGENDARY
rancid jewel
"omgmgokmgm veterann??!??!? cevterarlallnnn?Q??>>!!?!? hoyl llshiti is thaht a lelgnendnary??>>!!!!?!?!?!?one"
--api user
small wing
Ranking means nothing unless you wanna get the ones required to upload worlds to labs :3
smoky flare
i did not even know there was a higher rank then trusted
rancid jewel
they can't even be seen in-game normally
small wing
Beyond user I think is where you sorta have no real reason to want to rank up. Or whichever rank it would be to have full upload perms.
And that also doesn't matter unless you wanna create stuff o3o
dull thunder
im back
urban rapids
Welcome back
pallid wraith
"Auto-reload scene in all open Clients" BASED 👏
unreal verge
Do fallback avatars automatically get scaled depending on the size of the pc only avatar?
frosty veldt
Thats the idea yeah
vocal shard
Do fallback avatars automatically get scaled depending on the size of the pc onl...
You can also see the animations that the PC avatar is doing, but on the fallback avatar.
To my knowledge.
shell grove
Quick question if anyone knows
How do you do audio on Quest avatars? Porting Mechna to Quest again and it says Audio sources ain't supported
I know I've seen audio on Quest avatars tho
frosty scarab
Wdym
shell grove
My avatar has audio sources and it won't let me build because of them
vocal shard
hi
tight granite
Could someone help in #full-body-tracking please?
unreal verge
How do you do audio on Quest avatars? Porting Mechna to Quest again and it says ...
It is what it says. No audio sources on avatars for Quest.
urban rapids
i have a tank that is quest compatible?
rancid jewel
quest avatars can have audio sometimes
shell grove
h o w th o
rancid jewel
i don't know they just sorta do
cursive wyvern
its because you're seeing the pc version of a quest avatar
rancid jewel
no
vocal shard
oh shi
shell grove
i am scream
late void
Yo my game crashed, I got logged out.
Now when I try to log in it says, cannot log in - forbidden
vocal shard
oh fun
late void
??????
late sandal
Thought I was the only one. Good to know it's not just me
late void
Thought I was the only one. Good to know it's not just me
Happened to you?
late sandal
Login to SDK no message, Game says Forbidden, Website works
late void
Yeah
covert chasm
late void
Ok
vocal shard
:(
shell grove
Yea I was very confused
urban rapids
thank you
rancid jewel
tubberware rko'd the bug
vocal shard
spilled coffee on the switch
late sandal
Ok. SDK logs in again. I panicked there for a second because I was just about to build and test a world.
rancid jewel
spilled coffee on the switch
just unspill the coffee
shell grove
There, Quest version of Mechna updated
late sandal
Heared switches like Electrons better than coffee.. ☕
shell grove
Quest lacks
- Full poly version
- Hue Shifting
- Audio
But everything else should show up now
edgy bough
@frosty socket
urban rapids
probably not
late void
Sussy
tiny tree
Anyone know what yellow bones in blender mean
shell grove
You're likely in edit mode
tiny tree
no like the bone is yellow in pose modE
shell grove
oah
tiny tree
it wont let me rotate it in some directions
shell grove
Not sure. IK constraint?
tiny tree
no idea
sleek star
just wondering if i got quest controllers would i still need headset or can i still use pc and still able to move the hands with the controllers?
weary nimbus
when i login im just stuck in the starting place with the blueish background, is this a widespread issue rn
vocal shard
when i login im just stuck in the starting place with the blueish background, is...
probably not but I guess time will tell if people come flooding the server soon about the same issue
try signing in with your email instead of your username
pliant epoch
just wondering if i got quest controllers would i still need headset or can i st...
You would still need the headset.
vocal shard
np
halcyon drift
dense glade
frosty scarab
Anyone up for playing
urban rapids
what u playing XD
vocal shard
are you using the Quest 1 or 2 in standalone mode by chance
shy thunder
nahh im on desktop
vocal shard
no clue then 
pallid wraith
Sitting here coding away for work out of hours while watching the VRChat Developer Stream. Listening to System talk about lost weekends and 10 hour days is hitting me hard bros 😭
vocal shard
You can really understand if you work similiarly
My god, uh... I think I encountered a crash bug.
do tell
pallid wraith
It's sucks because there are so many nice features/bugfixes that can go in, but only so many hours in a day 😛
and everybody wants everything now lol
vocal shard
once Quest vrc+ comes out im sure that extra income from all those parents credit cards will help them hire more devs
Yeah uh, I literally was trying to join a game that was like 331,121MB on my laptop and then it literally turns to screen black then teleports back to Home.
Like what the fuck?
yeah worlds shouldnt be that large at all, but its just for whatever specific world right?
It doesnt do that every time you join a world no matter which one it is?
nocturne granite
Hey, you guys know someone that have a avatar from Untitled Goose Game? I need this :(
vocal shard
Hey, you guys know someone that have a avatar from Untitled Goose Game? I need t...
Try asking in #avatar-search-old
nocturne granite
k, ty
vocal shard
I can tell you the world.
Though I'm just trying to join it for the skin. :<
yeah actually if you can get a join link for me that would be great
And how do I get the "join link"?
should be able to get it by going on the vrc website and checking what world your in and clicking on it while you attempt to join the world
Cant remember if thats how that works exactly let me check
Guess not nevermind
I guess just send me the world name then
nocturne granite
I can tell you the world.
to me? or to K/D?
vocal shard
Was talking to Sonic
I mean I don't really know the link, but it's a Sonic hub thingy.
It's called:
Uh...
Sonic HUB rp?????
I found Sonic VRCHAT RP Hub
rancid jewel
iguana
vocal shard
300,000MB is completely different from 300MB @vocal shard
raw trout
Are you able to change your name in vrc?
vocal shard
Yes if you go to the vrchat website, you can sign in and go to account settings and change it, but its only once every 90 days
raw trout
ok thank you
vocal shard
Its only display though keep in mind
raw trout
ok and have a nice day
vocal shard
Yeah np
spring vine
day 3 still no update on ban appeal
vocal shard
its only been 3 days it feels like its been a week since
knotty ferry
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the entire UI being updated or is it simply the quick menu?
rancid jewel
the quick menu update will come first, then they'll update the whole thing.
spring vine
its only been 3 days it feels like its been a week since
basically
placid gulch
So uh, why does every lobby in vrchat feel like daycare now?
nocturne granite
Try asking in <#801557685300363335>
No one have the avatar that i'm looking for :(
vocal shard
Not everyone ends up finding someone who has it in avatar req but I guarentee it exists somewhere ive seen it personally, just got to do some looking
nocturne granite
k :)
thin totem
@spring vine fill me in on the ban appeal?
rancid jewel
So uh, why does every lobby in vrchat feel like daycare now?
try going to pc only instances
languid beacon
So uh, why does every lobby in vrchat feel like daycare now?
When Groups come around that should help that...
strange delta
Heyyo
sour fog
wondering are they gonna be forcing people to use avi 3.0 cause theres still a handful that uses 2.0?
vocal shard
If that transition occurs its going to be awhile
languid beacon
They've stated they have no intention of removing SDK2.
vocal shard
in that time sdk3 will have much more documentation and features, less bugs, and be easier to understand (hopefully)
sour fog
alright just making sure
languid beacon
Though, if you make any new content, you'd be best to make it with SDK3
There's no need to update old projects unless you really need SDK3 features
sour fog
im to lazy man xd
languid beacon
But, if you are starting from scratch, there's also no reason to start with SDK2
sour fog
but i want to try tho
shy thunder
i cant sync the video players anyone help?
spring vine
<@116370911438962697> fill me in on the ban appeal?
just a false report on my account, still waiting for my appeal to get reviewed
vocal shard
Stop living in the past and go with the future of sdk3 it took me a few days to adjust... then I ate a memberberry and now I see the errors of my ways.
languid beacon
There's still people that use old blender. And complain that Blender is hard.
sour fog
well im just honestly lazy to make a animation with 3.0
languid beacon
To me SDK2 animations are more work, need to paste in hand poses into everything
rancid jewel
i just like 3.0
sour fog
oh for me its simple since im into like crazier stuff xd
languid beacon
Use whatever you're comfortable with I guess. I see SDK3 as way more straight forward and less contrived. anyone who knows unity can get up and going. SDK2 was very... VRChat specific
vocal shard
My park is 220mb of animations, right now it's all in U# and it's only 20mb.. and it runs at realtime with no bake and no lag... had testers and since then it's improved 10 fold more.. you can't compete with sdk3.. if your lazy then it's your own fault.. you will regret it though.
sour fog
my avatars are usually 19 mb tf 220???
languid beacon
optimize your animations with curves, it takes down a ton of memory
and you usually can't see a difference
vocal shard
It's better you look up the past as I will not bring this discussion up again.
sour fog
ive seen a avatar that was 600 mb before xd
rancid jewel
i've seen an avatar that was around 500 mb
sour fog
im doing fine
obsidian citrus
Hmm
rancid jewel
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 28965 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
It shouldnt be allowed for an avatar to be considered excellent over 100MB
sour fog
there is the size limit tho
rancid jewel
dont worry as long as theres no dynamic bones /s
vocal shard
file size doesnt get counted into the ranking system on PC
rancid jewel
thats dum
vocal shard
unless vrchats documentation is wrong because im looking straight at it
There is no row for filesize
vocal shard
unless vrchats documentation is wrong because im looking straight at it
it doesnt count
but you can set a limit on file size and still block avatar this way
so it's better to keep it as low as possible
sour fog
sadly im one of those people who has everyone hidden cause i got low storage xd
vocal shard
sadly im one of those people who has everyone hidden cause i got low storage xd
XD I get bad ping so I do the same Lol
graceful pewter
don't use 8k textures for example
detailed map exist if you need to look nice up and close
vocal shard
8k more like performance begone
I use 4k but its because I only have like 30k polys and a few dyn bones
graceful pewter
vocal shard
I remember someone that has resampled an image to take 15TB of space
vocal shard
well im just honestly lazy to make a animation with 3.0
Same I also prefer 2.0 SDK over 3.0 XD
@graceful pewter ?
graceful pewter
showing approximately how much vram your eat up with a 8K texture
and what I was referring to with detailed maps
winged oar
Hello everyone I am new
rare moat
Hello!
Hey, if you don't mind me asking, does anyone know why the Anime Apartment world is closed right now? And if anyone has their discord server (if they have one), can you pm an invite to me?
finite glacier
Closed, what do you mean by that, explain please?
sharp saddle
Think they mean taken down.
sharp saddle
Doesn't Root's Home have anime series?
finite glacier
Ohh if taken down is what it is, then there are a few things that may of happened, 1. They could of gotten banned, 2. They deleted their account, or 3 they took the world down threw their unity
rare moat
Ah, I see
rare moat
Doesn't Root's Home have anime series?
Root's world has some but I was about to watch a series that roots doesn't have
and now I can't remember what that thing is though ; o;
I'll keep it in my favorites just in case because the same thing happened to Kareeda's Rooftop Theater but it came back after a while
shell grove
I always wondered how Root's Home manages to stay online lol
That being said I hope it never goes down
misty hollow
anyone know if fullbody affects frames much? im halfbody with 60frames atm
frail herald
Is SDK 2 getting shut downed? Because i have 2 of my friends saying they are but im not 100% sure they are
rancid jewel
not shut down, more like phased out.
sharp saddle
Wait for an official announcement.
rancid jewel
it's old ™️
frail herald
Kk
vocal shard
jo
subtle lynx
Force people to use crunch compression at least normal 50 before uploading or do it for them, decreases everyone's avatar size and nothing is really lost
Though the avatars that stay ABOVE 100mb after that compression....
languid beacon
Is SDK 2 getting shut downed? Because i have 2 of my friends saying they are but...
No.
forest steeple
My man what you talking about ?
languid beacon
It's not being phased out either.
It's just one of those random false news things that are spreading around.
worldly summit
Though the avatars that stay ABOVE 100mb after that compression....
Probably a bunch of old avatars that were uploaded before enabling legacy blendshapes was enforced
vocal shard
oh nu another rumor
worldly summit
or songs
vocal shard
owo what dis
rancid jewel
you being put under a hydraulic press, apparently.
subtle crystal
:3
worldly swan
Is SDK 2 getting shut downed? Because i have 2 of my friends saying they are but...
It’s not really getting shut down, pretty sure they won’t stop them from being used for a while but they won’t be as good and might stop getting new features
vocal shard
SDK2 has been decapritated for a decent while now
gleaming kraken
im hoping physics bones will be enough to convince people to shift over to sdk3 now
languid beacon
Deprecated. It has not been decapitated.
tropic crater
it should be
gleaming kraken
at this stage i honestly dont see a single reason to not move to sdk3 other than laziness or it just being out of peoples comfort zone
worldly swan
Actually they said decapritated
rancid jewel
if it gets removed then so much shits gonna break
but it is old though
vocal shard
at this stage i honestly dont see a single reason to not move to sdk3 other than...
sdk 3.0 not adding any value to what people need ?
worldly swan
I’m assuming that’s a mix of decapitated and deprecated
tropic crater
expressions are reason enough for me tbh
vocal shard
I only have a few expressions on my avatar, which fit on 5 gestures
gleaming kraken
sdk 3.0 not adding any value to what people need ?
well again with physics bones that will change for a crap load of people
languid beacon
Bait
vocal shard
?
sharp saddle
Huh?
void mesa
Hey, does anyone know where to find a quest compatible Deadpool avatar?
void mesa
oh, okay, sorry
vocal shard
I’m assuming that’s a mix of decapitated and deprecated
your looking too much into it I just spelt it wrong and didn't see an auto fill for the right one lol
languid beacon
sdk 3.0 not adding any value to what people need ?
Thus being out of poeple's comfort zone - it's going to cause issues for them later when SDK3 eventually gets features they do want, and I'm sure there will be complaints that "they have to upgrade all their stuff* - better start with SDK3 now so that's not an issue later. Even if you don't like the SDK3 features now, you will later.
vocal shard
what if someone literally doesn't need them ?
languid beacon
Then I guess they won out on that wager
But you can't know what's around the bend
vocal shard
But avatar interactions
languid beacon
^
graceful pewter
I have a hard time imagining someone who uses Dynamic bones not wanting in Avatar Dynamics and physics bones
frosty veldt
I always say everyone should update to 3.0 just to update but Im still using blender 2.79 🤷♂️
graceful pewter
But avatar interactions
yes it 10 times faster and don't break terms of service
desert torrent
just got a valve index I was wondering if I could get help with the setup? I tried setting it up but the screen is just grey.
languid beacon
I don't know how people prefer 2.79
But if you like it you do you
I'd never go back
frosty veldt
Its the same argument as 2.0 vs 3.0. A lot changes and none of it benefits that specific user.
split lotus
I help people move their avi's up to SDK3, especially stitching together the animations and controllers that are out of the box with SDK, and usually give a quick run-through on working with the new animation controllers. I am wanting to actually make video tutorials to move onto SDK3 to help encourage the use of Avatar 3.0.
frosty veldt
I tried using the newer blenders and it was just harder to do what I wanted, so I went back
languid beacon
I just like the newer modifiers for a purely non-distructive workflow
merge modifier is nice
was stopping you from chaining stuff
frosty veldt
Its mainly an analogy, as things like phys bones and avatar interactions come out, people will be less inclined to use AV2
unreal verge
I don't know why people prefer sdk2. Everything on my avatar wouldn't be possible without sdk3
languid beacon
The only people who prefer SDK2 are those who started on it
frosty veldt
Benefit needs to outweigh perceived challenges
languid beacon
No one who does SDK3 thinks SDK2 makes sense lol
At least not if you had some unity background beforehand
split lotus
Well I can convince them in many ways. Notably, you don't get to test-build avatars with SDK2, but also thanks to an awesome person! (Lyuma) you can emulate VRChat's animation system and IK inside the Unity EDITOR to save time and effort.
languid beacon
SDK3 came just in time for some people I know who got into VRChat content creation from having lots of experience in unreal. if they had to learn SDK2, I think they'd have lost interest.
frosty veldt
Even with avatars that dont "benefit", the whole pipeline is better SDK wise
languid beacon
yeah Lyuma's emulator is nice
unreal verge
I save hours through sdk3 emulator
languid beacon
and as far as the worlds go, personally I find Udon graphs way easier to work with than SDK2's triggers. I know some people who feel the opposite, but, i just couldn't get into making world stuff with triggers, it was so much overhead
split lotus
With Lyuma's editors and tools I got the motivation to make my whole Locomotion layer and blend trees, since I get instant results. I was burdened with the time consuming "build and test" approach.
unreal verge
Building takes a long time for me so i need that emulator
graceful pewter
and as far as the worlds go, personally I find Udon graphs way easier to work wi...
and there's a couple of people working on basically clothes of triggers in Sudan
split lotus
SDK3 worlds is even better too! Not just Udon Graphs, but C# devs like myself can use another awesome person's library(UdonSharp, Thanks Merlin!) to convert C# language into Udon to run on the map.
languid beacon
SDK2 you have to make an animation for every little thing you want to change in your world... instead of just telling a udon graph what parameter to change.
unreal verge
I still use sdk2 for worlds. Udon is too hard to understand
split lotus
Understandable, but people are getting an appetite for Udon worlds now unless you just have a chill map.
languid beacon
Think of it like, instead of telling your unity animation what parameters to change, you're just telling your graph what parameters to change directly, without using an animator
unreal verge
I only want udon because of video players
vocal shard
I just wait for that unity package that lets me basically do old sdk2 triggers on sdk3
graceful pewter
and even chill Map There's prefabs for Udon versions of all the stuff you would need
languid beacon
so you can skip making an animation, and then triggering it with a parameter
even if you can't make udon graphs yourself, using other people's graphs are essentually allowing you to use user-made components
split lotus
If it makes it better, VRChat also crafted a developer API page for learning and working with Udon Graphs. It's better than writing actual code. All you really need is patience, and understand logic in a Workflow.
graceful pewter
unreal verge
I just wait for that unity package that lets me basically do old sdk2 triggers o...
CyanTriggers. Yeah me too. I converted my sdk2 world already to udon but I'm waiting for that to finish it.
languid beacon
CyanTriggers will be a nice gateway for people to dip their tastebuds into udon, i bet before long they'll just want to drop in their own graphs
since it's... so much less clicking
vocal shard
I'm. Still waiting for my alpha triggers......
unreal verge
I just want to use that udonsharp video player instead of sdk2 video players that don't work half of the time or lag the game like crazy
split lotus
If it helps, I wrote an Udon asset for audio playlists so you're not playing the same song over and over. It also supports smooth fade in/out between tracks, and also accepts event triggers so you can essentially make an audio player too out of your list of clips in your project and have a wall to control said music. I'm happy to give pointers to other Udon prefabs and develop an Udon prefab if you have an idea.
unreal verge
Sdk2 video Players are the worst offenders of lag producing objects. Can make a smooth experience suddenly to completely unplayable
neat star
anybody know where i can find a kid buu avatar
inland galleon
Anyone know where I can find a avatar that I will actually like everything about?? 
signal wasp
Hello everyone! I couldn't watch the live yesterday. Is there a summary somewhere that summarizes what was announced?
unreal verge
Anyone know where I can find a avatar that I will actually like everything about...
Make one yourself
inland galleon
Make one yourself
I don’t know if I am advanced enough to do that ;-;
Plus, I would be too indecisive about how it would look
vocal shard
If your that picky you are going to have to get it commissioned by someone
graceful pewter
vroid Studio it's not that complicated
so it's a decent option if you want something custom as it's mostly sliders and splines
vocal shard
Its a good start
first ones are going to look like absolute trash in comparison to what you make a month later in it
wack to see the progress
karmic harbor
I'm still wondering what's the point if quest only worlds and avatars ?
Me having avatars that are 300mb+
graceful pewter
I'm still wondering what's the point if quest only worlds and avatars ?
folks doing that being lazy
bitter stream
to me its lazy, because all you have to do to make a quest only world or avatar for pc is to literally switch the build to pc and hit upload again
karmic harbor
folks doing that being lazy
But why vrchat team even implemented this feature
graceful pewter
Me having avatars that are 300mb+
I'm not loading you then
karmic harbor
I'm not loading you then
It's full animation with some cool stuff
graceful pewter
But why vrchat team even implemented this feature
because it being possible to upload PC only Maps the same is also true in reverse
bitter stream
personally for me i have 200mbs down and running off a 7gbs m.2 drive but i understand the frustration as i used to have a bad pc and internet
karmic harbor
because it being possible to upload PC only Maps the same is also true in revers...
What's the point is my question
bitter stream
there is no point to quest only because of how easy it is to just switch the build and hit upload again
vocal shard
there is clearly something wrong with the avatar and it cant be excused by "it has alot of animations"
graceful pewter
What's the point is my question
because they didn't program it in a way that prevented that
vocal shard
tell your pal to do this cool thing called optimizing
karmic harbor
there is clearly something wrong with the avatar and it cant be excused by "it h...
Not a lot of them he literally made short movie in blender
bitter stream
for pc to quest there is at least an argument because its a pain in the butt to optimize for quest but the other way around is fully compatible with no change necessary. you can even use mobile shaders on pc
vocal shard
Why does an avatar need a short movie packed into it???
bitter stream
i actually have a couple worlds where i chose to use quest shaders ON the pc version so both versions look identicle
graceful pewter
nobody is going to stick around for the 10 to 45 minutes for a short film
and if you must do that have it as a separate Avatar
karmic harbor
They're about 2 minutes
final heart
i think your friend should just make worlds if he's making 300mb short films that show on an avatar
graceful pewter
and they also probably did something incorrectly if it takes up that much space for 2 minutes
karmic harbor
and if you must do that have it as a separate Avatar
They're separate avatars
vocal shard
sounds like the friend just puts everything into 1 single avatar just so it can get hidden by default on PC and Quest
final heart
to each their own though i hope you and them both find it cool but i also hope you know everyone in game probably sees you as a robot because nobody is downloading your 300mb avi
vocal shard
^
graceful pewter
like heck even 300 megabyte worlds are a bit of a no-go unless you like the devoured
karmic harbor
I'm just saying props to him for making this
twin fractal
pretty sure the default safety wouldn't even download it
uncut trail
Please don
unreal verge
My avatars are all around 30MB lol (could be less if no music or i later use .ogg instead of mp3)
uncut trail
Don't get rid of 2.0 Worls
twin fractal
felt bad when one of my avatars accidentally somehow ended up 100 mb... 300 is very overkill
vocal shard
They aren't getting rid of 2.0 where is this rumor coming from
if its happening its going to be so far down the road we talking years
graceful pewter
they're just not going to do more development on 2.0
twin fractal
people who can't read
karmic harbor
Too many stuff would be deleted
graceful pewter
and 2.0 development stopped a while ago
twin fractal
there was also a rumor that no VRchat dev actual had VR so I'm not surprised anymore...
unreal verge
Reducing audio quality on avatars already helps a lot with getting file size down. You don't need 30MB .flac audios on avatars
final heart
how does anyone believe that for a second
graceful pewter
that is a demonstrably false rumor
they literally demonstrate VR only gesturing in their live streams
uncut trail
They need to add snail markers for quest users tbh for mute people
unreal verge
I need to convert my mp3 audios to ogg, wanna get the file size even more down
karmic harbor
Hey guys have you heard that vrchat ain't gonna be desktop supported no more
vocal shard
OOoOo wowww no way i cant believe it
final heart
damn im telling all my friends
karmic harbor
It's true i read an article on some website i found
graceful pewter
they're going to stop all development on everything that's not a Sinclair ZX Spectrum/s
karmic harbor
On the second page of google
unreal verge
karmic harbor
twin fractal
the VRC+ only avatar meme that a bunch of people actual believed
graceful pewter
even though that doesn't really make any sense as the Avatar makers don't benefit as vrchat would be taking all the money
bitter stream
That feeling you get when you've had an avatar uploaded for forever and finally realized you never made a pedestle for it in your world
twin fractal
people who used the avatar wouldn't benefit either.. like only a fraction of the players can see the avatar that you want to show off lol