vrchat-general-2

[worthy oracle]

FR stream blew me away, I am very hyped

[sharp saddle]

Groups hype!

[lucid sandal]

Chat was excited about Exchanging Rare Pokemon

Colliders while giving someone a rare Charizard would make me excited too.

[crisp anvil]

I am officially hyped

[weak lantern]

I am unofficially hyped now

[worthy oracle]

Never been more hyped for the future of this game tbh, pog

[lucid sandal]

For 10 dollars a month. These were the updates I was expecting

[worthy oracle]

they really were working on a whole lot

[languid beacon]

Crap, i forgot to printscreen the "WHEN" screen at the end

[twin fractal]

more than I expected to be honest. set my expectations low

[worthy oracle]

it’s good to see that their silence wasn’t for nothing

[sharp rose]

waitwaitwait hang on, you guys could actually SEE the Row 20 option?

[weak lantern]

this is why I paid 1 year VRC+ subscription

[sharp rose]

oh no

that wasnt supposed to be revealed

[visual flicker]

LOL

[amber juniper]

me too, even tho I paid 100, for 15 months >.>

[sharp rose]

pretend u didnt see that, k

[worldly summit]

most hyped for EU servers 👀

[sharp rose]

super-swear

[vocal shard]

@languid beacon - Identity Update (Weeks)

• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[weak lantern]

asian server makes me hype

[lucid sandal]

multicore would be pretty awesome

[amber juniper]

Avatar Dynamics, UNU and region servers are some really nice and asked for things. Thanks for that!

[weak lantern]

they already using multicore with their client I think

[worthy oracle]

I think everything presented was pretty pog. Now I do hope for overall better performance, though

[halcyon void]

Now about the updates, did CEO Graham Gaylor, approve all those updates? I am curious.

[amber juniper]

yes, they do, but Dynamic Bones don't

[arctic elm]

Can we get the "when" section put in #announcements or something?

I'm sure there'll be an update post summarizing the stuff in the stream but 🤷‍♀️

[weak lantern]

than their official feature "Physics bone" or something will support multicore and that will make game more smooth right?

[worthy oracle]

yes

[weak lantern]

thats really good, i never felt this kinds of feeling with their official update stream

[amber juniper]

apparently it's about a 10nth of the performance of dynamic bones

[weak lantern]

always I felt something like nervous for new bugs and crashes

[vocal shard]

I missed the part where they talked about the dynamic avatars thing and I am curious what that is. Anywhere I can look to see what they were talking about? I wasn't there for the stream till the tail end

[worthy oracle]

it’s exciting that they are creating a system to replace dynamic bones with that new physics bone. so we could potentially just see, ideally, no more dynamic bones. they tried to make similar parameters and of course better performance. It is multithreaded and supposedly 10x more performant

[arctic elm]

global dyn bones, and animations on touch n stuff

[deft flame]

@sharp rose To your knowledge will the problem with underaged players and the lack of content protection ever get addressed as the chat demanded answer we were flat out ignored will we see any acknowledgement on that field or are you the wrong person to ask

[shell grove]

Alright, submitted my thoughts

[sharp rose]

Those are two very vague topics you've handed me. Care to elaborate?

[shell grove]

Overall I'm very excited to see where this goes, my only concern is in relation to the monetization features

[spring vine]

ill put aside my ban thing and addon to this. Children interacting with adult content in vrchat has become a big problem lately

[elfin wadi]

I don’t think that’s vague, there’s a lot of really young people who play VRChat

[noble depot]

will def admit that the player economy stuff is kinda spooky to me, but I'll def reserve judgement on that until more's said

[sharp rose]

"problem with kids" can mean a multitude of things. "content protection" can also mean a multitude of things. 😛

[shell grove]

I understand why they need to be very cautious regarding the topic of younger users on the platform

[arctic elm]

basically people want a "hide every child from me" button lmao

[worthy oracle]

doesn’t work like that

[spring vine]

In summary, adding a mature or adult feature (not just for nsfw content but can include gore or blood )

[sharp rose]

And how I define "problem with kids" might not jive with someone else's definitions. Hence the elaboration request. 😄

[rich coral]

VRChat needs to really get a handle on the age verification as well as the systems in place to moderate that otherwise theirs gonna be a very big court case on your hands

[deft flame]

Of course. Its no secret that with the launch of the quest 2 a lot of children have entered the game most of which are not even allowed to play the game according to TOS which creates a multitude of problems in possible exposure to inappropriate content to harassment towards other players, As per content protection at the moment its trivially easy to steal someone's work as the API happily spits out a download link with 0 protection on it

[sharp rose]

If any company in the history of the internet ever figured out a foolproof way to do that, they'd be rich.

[worthy oracle]

Age verification can only go so far. It’s easy to simply lie.

[spring vine]

not to mention if COPPA feels like kids are being advertised to when they see worlds like "insert cartoon" world

[shell grove]

Personally, the problem I have with kids on VRchat is the same as kids on any other platform. They tend to act out for attention and intentionally get into situations they shouldn't

[noble depot]

There isn't really a way to verify ages though, without checking government IDs (which is a massive privacy concern, not to mention not something anybody should/would agree to, along with the massive liability that storing ID information brings along with it)

[lavish aurora]

Yea I've seen ppl lying about it

[ruby burrow]

The game has been multicore since before it released on Steam.

[vocal shard]

Y'all saying like there's an answer when I bet most of you hit the I am 18+ button when you were only 16 or younger 😛

[amber juniper]

the kids aren't the problem, content filters aren't the solution
the problem AND solution is actually the same: The parents

[spring vine]

ive also run into kids in lewd avatars or engaging in lewd content with other users where im like WOW IMMA HAVTO STEP IN cause no one else will

[tropic crater]

multi core isn't as black and white as people think

[worthy oracle]

Fr

[deft flame]

My main concern is it seems VRC doesnt acknowledge the issue there is no report button for underaged player for example

[elfin wadi]

My cousin who is very much underaged has interacted with some very adult sides of VRChat, I ushered her away from that stuff but many kids don’t have someone to do that

[tropic crater]

vrchat is definitely not multi core to the extent people want or probably ever could be

[shell grove]

But yeah, that's pretty much just a universal kid thing. Kids are just annoying yo

[potent steppe]

Hi

[rancid jewel]

yo whens "row 20" coming

[sonic plank]

there just needs to be the content protections feature in the game to prevent lawsuits

[spring vine]

I wish parents would be responsible but look at youtube and parents not using youtube kids

[dusky oracle]

Anyone have a summary of the devstream?

[shell grove]

"Multicore" is the thing people demand when they mean "generally better performance" lol

[sharp rose]

Fair, thanks for the elaboration. 😄 In order:

Kids/safety: This is a thorny issue, but not one we're ignoring. There's a balancing act of how to approach this without also being super intrusive to people who are just playing the game, because we don't want to be creepy to people. That's just weird. Having said that, it's an ongoing thing, any solutions will probably take awhile, but when I've got something substantial to offer there, you'll probably hear about it in an announcement.

Content safety: Similar to above, except to say there's more concrete things in the works with much shorter timelines regarding content protection. It's pretty high on my personal list of Fires To Douse, certainly.

[sonic plank]

so i don't have to pay 20 bucks for vrc+ instead of 10

[rancid jewel]

• Identity Update (Weeks)
• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[dusky oracle]

Thanks

[golden scaffold]

waves magic wand refresh!

[scarlet hinge]

I think parents/guardians just need to be educated more on the potential for adult content on VR and should set up appropriate parental controls

[rancid jewel]

row 20n't :((((

[arctic elm]

you cant take this away from us, we know the truth!

[sharp rose]

the first rule of row 20 is we dont talk about row 20

[shell grove]

Good to hear you're working on something!

[golden scaffold]

[rancid jewel]

can we talk about petting the vrchat+ cat

[worthy oracle]

Yeah this is true

[ruby burrow]

There's definitely an age problem in the game, that will become more apparent to the outside world over time.
Although just personally, I tend to find the abundance of toxic and self important 20+ year old children in the community the far far more aggravating ones. Reading that stream chat was so painful.

[spring vine]

I dont mean to bring CVR into this but at least starting out with the dlc mature content thing could help

[deft flame]

Thanks for the response. Would we at least be getting the option to report a user as underaged as currently thats not a thing even tho its such a common occurrence

[shell grove]

If I've learned anything from my days on the internet, it's that kids will get around literally any roadblock you set

[sharp rose]

That is on a much shorter list of things coming, yes.

[lucid sandal]

I remember lying a ton when I was younger yeah

[deft flame]

What prevents them from lying on their steam

[spring vine]

true but having a first step to protect them helps

[vocal shard]

That was a pretty good strem ngl

[ruby burrow]

How do I get to that survey people are talking about? I missed that.

[amber juniper]

I wonder how many lists of lists you have ;)

[rancid jewel]

can we talk about how the new ui they showed looks so nice and looks better then all the previous versions they've shown

[sharp rose]

you dont wanna know.

[shell grove]

True, but it should never come to the detriment of the game itself

[rancid jewel]

all of the lists

[worthy oracle]

it looks so clean

[noble depot]

vrchat.com/survey

[spring vine]

I mean we can think that way all we want but doing nothing is not even trying to help the situation

[thorn garden]

Do we have proper logic yet?

[amber juniper]

Oh, I have a pretty good understanding how many you have ;)

[shell grove]

In a perfect world parents would actually moderate what their children are playing online

[ruby burrow]

Thanks!

[vocal shard]

And so much of the content they revealed is like right around the corner

[steady sequoia]

Dear VRChat devs. Thank you for the amazing stuff from this dev stream. It was amazing. I think. I can't remember, because I'm SO FRUSTRATED that you are turning this into Second Life v2 with paywalls and pay-to-use avatar booths in EVERY WORLD (because it will be) with he creators economy

[sharp rose]

That is exactly something I want to avoid. All the protection in the world won't mean anything if we just straight up ruin the experience for everyone.

[steady sequoia]

I think there was some good stuff in there too

[rancid jewel]

me and the bois watching the dev stream for the full 2 hours

[shell grove]

Yep, glad you see it the same way

[ruby burrow]

The world persistence is going to be awesome once people get into the swing of it.

[deft flame]

There is no proper way of doing it except putting more boots on the ground. For example a specific report option would help but wouldnt solve it

[spring vine]

protecting children is still important tho

[sharp rose]

Yes it is. But I've been doing this a long, long time. One thing you learn quick in this line of work, it's never easy or fast to fix.

[twin fractal]

I'm concerned about this too. make sure to send them feedback on the site

[deft flame]

@sharp rose Nah i complete understand your points as well until now it just seemed like the issue was sweeped under the rug

[lucid sandal]

Are rippers still a problem in the game? Lot of people who pay hundreds of dollars on models don't want their stuff stolen.

[spring vine]

true but the small things will affect something, even if its little it adds up

[sharp rose]

Can see how it came off that way, mostly since we don't talk about it much. But I'm gonna engage more directly with people about it as we move forward with things. 😄

[vocal shard]

@sharp rose whats your role as a vrchat team member?

[steady sequoia]

oh yeah, dynamic bones and Multiplayer dynamic bones is AWESOME. Thank you! Just.. please... no creators economy. Give people the option to make money and they WILL, and soon, you'll have made a paywall game.

[deft flame]

Unfortunately they are

[shell grove]

It's a sensitive topic. I imagine they'd rather discuss ideas behind closed doors than throw everything out to the public

[vocal shard]

thank the lord for this

[sharp rose]

I mop the carpets in VRC HQ. 🧹

[vocal shard]

I don't think the ripping situation will ever get better due to the nature of how it works. So the sooner you get used to the idea that it might happen, the happier you'll be

[distant rampart]

I'd rather not ruin the experience for everyone as well, but I will admit that there has been a decent increase of groomers I've caught following children in NSFW avatars as of late, especially in quest filled worlds.

[rancid jewel]

you also pet the vrchat+ cat, remember?

[spring vine]

^

[sharp rose]

I trust you're reporting that.

[lavish aurora]

yaaaay

[obtuse sedge]

Do we have spark notes for the dev stream?

[distant rampart]

I do but it happens so often now.

[ruby burrow]

Just at a glance, the first step at least would seem to be adding a CVR style opt in system to be able to view mature content, where people can put Jan 01/01/41 as their birthday. It's a hollow paper shield, but at least it adds the bare minimum of accountability and legal protection, and requires children to choose to expose themselves to such things.

[twin fractal]

yeah I've seen some sus shit too in crossworlds

[vocal shard]

imagine. But bro to the entire vrchat team like gg a lot of modders tryna bring this shit down wont let it happen keep going yall yall are a small team with amazing potential

[night swift]

game needs like "i joined public world, throw me in a rando public avatar" option like it does with the quest thing that got added

[distant rampart]

I hop worlds often due to my work, but theres been a HUGE increase of them, like before it was now and then now its in almost every server I hop.

[shell grove]

When it comes to kids and situations like that, the best you can do right now is block and report. Do that and you'll make the situation better the best way you can

[knotty ferry]

men

[vocal shard]

If your PC can handle it, just have OBS running in the background at all times, video evidence is really the best you can offer.

[distant rampart]

It's really bad as of late, not sure what caused the spike of groomers.

[rancid jewel]

pet the cat

[obtuse sedge]

monsters

[deft flame]

Yes please do report it on https://help.vrchat.com/

[steady sequoia]

Unfortunately, that won't work. Just look at Apple now forcing NSFW content to get blocked from Discord, and previously Telegram. They are still liable since they provide access to the software that gets you that stuff.

[shell grove]

I've seen it too and it is an issue

[twin fractal]

the spike in children

[vocal shard]

But yeah, I've noticed a lot of that behavior too, it's especially bad in the black cat

[distant rampart]

^^

That's where I noticed it alot as well, mostly where there's alot of quest users.

[vocal shard]

the black cat is legit everyone so can be pretty toxic depending on the lobby lol

[shell grove]

It's a touchy issue at that, not something that can be solved easily

I mean if it were up to me I'd just nuke all the kids off VRchat but they probably don't want to do that lol

[sharp rose]

Easier said than done, even if it were a primary goal.

[distant rampart]

It wasn't this bad, it increased recently, but I will admit prior to this lobbys were toxic before.

[worthy oracle]

you can’t just do that lol, and they make up quite a large part of playerbase

[deft flame]

@shell grove They would. But how do you separate the players

[tawny surge]

@vocal shard monetizing the sale of avatars and facilitating it while not securing the assets being sold / used in the game is un-acceptable lol

[distant rampart]

Yeah its a tricky sit cause you don't want to affect base players.

[night swift]

im guessing kids are a non isignificant part of the userbase now after all the quest2 christmas presents

[vocal shard]

i see

[spring vine]

lets also mention children are also used for clout on youtube with their "stories of what is happening at home"

[night swift]

vrchat is now like the "my babysitter is the tv" for 2021

[lucid sandal]

Quest user nuke button 😈

[twin fractal]

also an issue. good point

[steady sequoia]

The kid issue hit home for me when I'm chilling in a furry world and a bunch of nazis come in, clearly underage (based on voice and conversation), and tell me to die, and I have to be purged. Yeah, don't need that, thanks.

I report them, and I see them for days and days in a row.

[night swift]

nuke everyone without a vive pro eye. go big, go home, go bankrupt

[distant rampart]

There's been alot of increase of that in every server as well, most of them make new accounts as soon as they get banned and bypass, its something you have to deal with.

[shell grove]

lmao

[sharp rose]

just glad no one saw row 21

[unreal verge]

Can just mute visitors by default then

[shell grove]

👀

[steady sequoia]

Oh, I am. It's entertainment for me now.

[spring vine]

in among us some kid with a client came in and did the avatar pedestal exploit and turned everyone into kkkons and it was a very uncomfortable situation

[worthy oracle]

ayo..

[lament siren]

Honestly the best way to avoid kids is just go to pc only worlds tbh

[noble depot]

was i the only one that saw row 22
that'sajokeplsnobonk

[deft flame]

Could you imagine xD

[night swift]

if the pro eye and facial tracker doesnt work with ocs on the release, much sadness will be had

[rancid jewel]

i saw it all.
even... ROW 22.

[distant rampart]

I try not to mute visitors, but that is a solution but that doesn't get rid of the problem in the long run.

[steady sequoia]

what is row 22?

[sharp rose]

there is no row 22

[sonic plank]

the ability to host dedicated servers for large events would be pretty neat

[inland peak]

any chance of a writeup of what's coming? don't have the time to watch the VOD

[distant rampart]

I see it so often its less entertaining and more like 'ok'

[rancid jewel]

the deepest point in the vrchat iceberg, if you click anything on it, a real life replica of the vrchat+ cat comes to your house and you can pet the cat.

[sonic plank]

so someone could have a 2u server in their closet hosting a virtual lollapalooza

[steady sequoia]

well, the entertainment comes in actively countering their remarks with those of my own. That can be really fun.

[shell grove]

• Identity Update (Weeks)
• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[steady sequoia]

Huh. Well then.

[spring vine]

-Me Unbanned (A month)

[shell grove]

lol

[distant rampart]

I'm not good at countering I mostly do voices and jokes, I don't like touching into topics like that as much. 😋

[vocal shard]

How will the new region stuff work, will worlds be split into EU / NA / JP now? Or will we still be matched with whoever we want to be matched with?

[shell grove]

ngl I'm always anxious I'm gonna get randomly banned even though I never break any rules

That's probably just a me thing though

[deft flame]

Also @sharp rose im not entirely sure if you can comment on this. But what in the world is up with the DMCA delays, it should not take 1 1/2 months for a DMCA claim to be processed

[lucid sandal]

The safety option I usually have set to just avatars and voice then I show avatars who seem cool

[rancid jewel]

you connect to different servers that are closer

[twin fractal]

when people come at you with heat and they cool down real quick after you respond. great feeling

[sharp rose]

Eh?

[unreal verge]

If it's like CVR then you can choose a region and it shows instances in it

[rancid jewel]

i seriously wonder what the big menu in the new ui's gonna look like

[distant rampart]

I only got banned once by mistake during a bug with a autoban bot, it got reverted the next day, lots of people got hit from it.

[deft flame]

Would you mind if i PM the details?

[spring vine]

me who just plays kitchen cooks

[sharp rose]

sure

[steady sequoia]

It's more about listening to what they say, and having a great way to retort and bring it back around. Stuff like, "Did your mom buy you that Quest so you can come and dress like Hitler and tell people to die? She must be so proud. Don't worry, one day you'll get hair down south and have an actual life worth living."

[vocal shard]

Alright so worlds will just function the same but with better ping?

[steady sequoia]

you know, stuff like that 😉

[worthy oracle]

yes

[distant rampart]

I try not to, because some of them are in groups and I already get ganged up alot on because of my voice and I'd rather not have more people target me.

[twin fractal]

that's what I got

[tawdry widget]

Whew, that was a lot

[spring vine]

I would like to get unbanned but I doubt I can bribe any of the devs to take my art to look at the appeal faster

[vocal shard]

That's pretty cool for aussies I suppose, I'm sitting at a 170 ping usually which is not too bad tbh

[golden scaffold]

❤️

[worthy oracle]

aye nice to see you rocktopus

[tawdry widget]

Imma make a pizza and play some final fantasy now

[jovial kestrel]

Amazing stream.

[twin fractal]

you'd probably be on the Japan server and drop your ping by a lot

[vocal shard]

Shouldn't Rocktopus have a yellow tag?

[spring vine]

o hey rocktopus, your segment was great, loved it and your avatar

[tawdry widget]

Eh, I had it removed

[distant rampart]

Rocktopus did have alot of vibey energy.

[steady sequoia]

Oh, I've had them. It's great. I run furry conventions, so I'm the broad side of a barn. I'm also a well employed and long term relationship person, so they don't really have much on me. I've even converted some 😉

[lament siren]

will there be gravity in the new avatar dynamics?

[lucid sandal]

I haven't been banned yet. No idea what it's like

[tawdry widget]

Too many rando requests

[spring vine]

keeps people from asking him questions lol

[shell grove]

Being worked on

[golden scaffold]

EVA outfit, going to go play Final Fantasy, just walked off the most badass stream we've ever put on. I aspire to be half as cool as you, Rocktopus.

[vocal shard]

Ahh, I see. This was a good stream guys, and I like that most of what you showed is right around the corner.

[rancid jewel]

best part was when they revealed vrchat+ cat plushie
just kidding, that didn't happen :((

[spring vine]

suffering this is my first ban and I never did anything

[jovial kestrel]

[distant rampart]

yeah I'm not good at it ;-; I get bad anxiety when I have groups gang up on me or when they tell their discords to single me out, so I try to stay out of it.

[obtuse sedge]

[ Someone probably already said this but, I figured putting in my ten cents would work ]

So the big thing that I have seen with metaverse games in the past is that it goes one of three ways:

1. You make a verification system of some type, which pretends to filter(s) all individuals under a certain age onto a separate instance of the game. The problem is Secondlife did this and it really does not work and requires active in-game moderation to find people that make it past the system.

2. You just flat out remove all underage individuals, again requires a verification system of some sort.

3. You don't manage it at all then try to moderate content, which makes your adult player-base mad (which is arguably worse because they pay for things) because... reasons...

I would just do world classification (IE: Adult and General / Public) but then you run into the problem of your game becoming known for its adult content.

[rancid jewel]

paragraph

[steady sequoia]

Again, Creators Economy will ruin VRChat. I can't say that enough. Give people the ability to charge others, and they will.. for everything. It's why VRChat is currently so great: No paywalls, no exploiting you for $1, or advertising excessively in every world. Please.. please..

[shell grove]

If I got banned I would cry for a substantial amount of my life

[rancid jewel]

vrchat+ cat plushie when

[steady sequoia]

I pay for VRC+ because I support the game

[wet oriole]

You also have people who claim youngsters are older, and older people are young

[golden scaffold]

Just want you to know that feedback is going to get lost pretty quick in Discord chat. 😅 Fill out our survey! http://vrchat.com/survey

[spring vine]

or get tips from recroom lol

[obtuse sedge]

XD

[sharp saddle]

Row 22

[rancid jewel]

if i have to fight for a year to get a plushie of the vrchat+ cat then so be it >:(

[steady sequoia]

and I buy avatars outside of the game

[vocal shard]

I'll fill out that survey once I get outta VR

[sharp saddle]

Or was it 20?

[steady sequoia]

Yup, filled it out!

[shell grove]

My survey is special I have row 23

[twin fractal]

row 20

[golden scaffold]

Thanks!

[rancid jewel]

i have row 27

[lament siren]

Pls I’d buy a vrchat plus plushie

[spring vine]

wish i could give feedback on innocents getting banned but its unrelated so i doubt theyll look at it

[worthy oracle]

Weak, row 24 where it’s at

[shell grove]

If we filled it out earlier, do we need to do it again?

[vocal shard]

still feel like vrchat is considered an ‘adult’ game since it’s really interaction heavy with an older player base but yeah. i wouldn’t mind filtering out the 10 year olds screeching in my ears in lobbies

[golden scaffold]

Nope, if you've filled it out, you're totally good to go.

[shell grove]

Not sure how edits work on Google sheets

Ah, coolio

[sharp saddle]

I mean, it's kinda hard to filter that.

[golden scaffold]

and thanks for doing so!

[wet oriole]

If they do start restricting people they suspect as children, they will just assume I am a child as a bunch of other players have

[vocal shard]

i’m sure they can figure it out. other games have done it

[shell grove]

Yeye np, I'm very excited to see where you guys go with this

[steady sequoia]

I'd like to see VRChat offer a website like booth that is OUT OF GAME so you don't have the game littered with ads. Give people the ability to buy things but not have to see it in their face all the time.

[wet oriole]

I don't feel like being punished for something I am not

[spring vine]

then they can provide proof of being an adult

[rancid jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693931930646872178/831697309376839700/unknown.png
my favorite image from the lifestream

[tawdry widget]

[lament siren]

I’d be down for age verification through for adult only servers

[vocal shard]

the block and mute options always exist as well. i use them pretty frequently lol

[wet oriole]

Even then, it takes time to process and verify

[shell grove]

Lowkey curious to see if you're planning on ever licensing out those physics bones 👀

[spring vine]

so does getting unbanned, whats new lol

[worthy oracle]

You seem like you just don’t want world creators/avatar creators/content creators to get paid lmfao

[wet oriole]

I didn't do anything that is a bannable offense unlike you so

[spring vine]

i didnt tho

[night swift]

i mean, unless they are going to force ad wallpaper or something, the worlds are all still what we make, people who have annoying stuff on their worlds just wont ahve the worlds visited

[wet oriole]

Clients and mods are against tos is what I seen 4 times already

[steady sequoia]

No, I don't want to see paywalls and advertisements. Ask me how much I've paid creators for stuff in game.

[spring vine]

yeah and I dont have it

[wet oriole]

You used it at some point, which means you broke a rule

[sharp saddle]

You mentioned your account getting hacked. Right?

[worthy oracle]

I don’t think paywalls would be that much of an issue.

[night swift]

look at SL, you buy stuff at shopping malls, but when i want to go to the club its not floor to ceilin g"BUYSUTFF"

[earnest drift]

There are very few avatar creators that aren't ripping pieces from other models. Why should they get paid for content they did not originally create?

[steady sequoia]

You say that, but go to second life and just have a look around when commerce is the meat of your platform. I dare you.

[distant rampart]

The bot has falsely banned people b4 I got hit by it while it was acting up and it got reverted.

[shell grove]

I've never broken a rule but I still live in eternal fear of a ban

[spring vine]

its a possibility since I am rarely on

[wet oriole]

They admitted to using it months before

[obtuse sedge]

This is also a lesson that can be learned from Secondlife

[sharp saddle]

I'm pretty sure it'll be limited to legit creators.

[wet oriole]

I've seen this brought up 5 times at least already

[spring vine]

no I havent

[steady sequoia]

it's a huge money maker for VRC so I understand why they're doing it, and I'm here as a user to say "PLEASE NO"

[distant rampart]

Current VRC bots have no way to track mods being used and acting on it, currently it acts on if you do something that has been deemed a illegal moves/moves.

[vocal shard]

i’m still waiting on the ingame message function. not even anything complicated, jsut something to make it easier to contact my opposite timezone friends by without having to pull all nighters. then i’ll be content

[shell grove]

Yeah I'm certain they'll be verifying creator pages before approving their subscriptions

[earnest drift]

uh huh and dynamic bones/colliders are currently being used for their intended purpose 😉

[distant rampart]

Unless someone recorded you

[rancid jewel]

physics bones are epic

[twin fractal]

no we're talking about real creators lmao

[shell grove]

What does this have to do with anything

[whole hound]

The thing is, people are still actively selling avatars and worlds. Just not on VRC itself. You go through creator discords, market discords, etc. People who work SUPER hard to create the things everyone uses in VR do deserve to have the option to earn some income from it.

[steady sequoia]

then find a way that doesn't expose that payment in game. Or have a model where popular worlds get paid.

[distant rampart]

I'm fine with creators being paid, some of them do it now already, as long as there are still some free avatars out there

[sharp saddle]

Hiya, Beee. You don't know me but I've seen you before.

[earnest drift]

VRChat currently doesnt have a system to determine who originally created said content. Meaning a ripper could easily take said content and re-sell it or the person who took the content from literally any website can re-sell it.

[shell grove]

My only concern regarding copyright is that the paid avatars will be in the same pool as free avatars, which have widespread use of copyrighted content

[distant rampart]

Me!

[steady sequoia]

have a percentage of VRC+ subscriptions go towards popular content creators, for instance.

[twin fractal]

No one is saying they shouldn't. I've spent hundreds on creator content

[sharp saddle]

Nep!

[whole hound]

I suggested VRC having a website/discord that's official for people to sell things on. 🤷

[distant rampart]

Me! x2

[twin fractal]

outside of VRchat

[rancid jewel]

virtual reality chatroom

[sharp saddle]

Whatchu up to?

[steady sequoia]

Exactly. Me too

[shell grove]

My favorite VRchat related pun is saying "ve are chatting" :)

[distant rampart]

Existing, checking out stream, considering if I should start my stream/video for my game cuz I've been putting it off lmao.

[vocal shard]

here’s an idea. judge the popularity of an avatar based on how many times its been selected/favorited and pay the creator a cut of money via that.

[noble depot]

filled out the survey! Def excited to see how everything'll unfold over the year o:

[night swift]

yeah. ive played SL for hundreds of hours. The areas i go to arent all ad littered because we dont want it to be. its a non issue unless you keep going to badly built worlds and going "its the game that is wrong"

[sharp saddle]

What strem?

[whole hound]

Scary thing is that rippers will be able to earn false income too. And people will sell some...experiences. lol

[steady sequoia]

if you have a website model that allows you to add things to VRChat directly, it keeps the paywall out of the game and makes it an add-on where you can purchase content that you use later IN the game.

[night swift]

heh, thats in SL too. the tip jars at clubs 😛

[distant rampart]

Q&A for a game I'm helping, people voted what they wanted me to answer but its gonna be a bit boring :t:

[obtuse sedge]

If there is an extensive vetting and "watchdog" / content screening process with claims support, I think a centralized marketplace for VRChat transactions and the lot would be interesting. I'd rather have to go through reasonable red tape to get my avatar approved to go onto a sponsored marketplace.

Stolen avatars are a different problem entirely though...

[earnest drift]

People already do this. The Creator Economy is opening a door for scammers to get some ez cash.

[rancid jewel]

wholesome times, as i call it.

[shell grove]

Really, the biggest problem I see with the creator economy as a whole is community burnout. If tons of maps start popping up with walled off premium areas and content, resentment will build for the system

[steady sequoia]

This too. Just ask anyone who used to do camping chairs.

[sharp saddle]

I'll check it out for you alone.

[distant rampart]

[twin fractal]

which is why I'm partially/mostly against it

[main fern]

If I have to pay for an avatar Im just gonna look for someones ripped version thatll be available probably somewhere else lmao

[steady sequoia]

People will just jump to Neos. Or chilloutVR. All they have to say is tweet out, "Hey, our game content is still free!"

[twin fractal]

pls dont

[earnest drift]

And you will probably find it, very easily.

[vocal shard]

i kinda hate talking about how the game will fall apart/get locked under a paywall. i just appreciate the game now. it’s getting better. i’m glad it’s free at least

[shell grove]

It is a legitimate concern

[main fern]

Paying for avatars will make more people start ripping

[wet oriole]

Just because you didnt use a client in the past few months u did at one point

[steady sequoia]

I'll still support VRC as long as i don't also have to pay others to play the game.

[fierce rose]

How do I report a hacker?

[twin fractal]

Naw chillout is on suicide watch lol

[sharp saddle]

#vrchat-support, submit a ticket.

[worthy oracle]

Chilloutvr isn’t going anywhere

[shell grove]

In relation to clients; if you've ever used one, you've accepted you're going to get banned at some point. Don't complain when you eventually do.

[celest narwhal]

what unity version do I neeed? i forgot

[noble depot]

2018.4.20f1

[sharp saddle]

2018.4.20f1- dammit.

[wet oriole]

Thank you

[noble depot]

huehue

[twin fractal]

not saying VRchat is unbeatable but they aren't even close

[main fern]

VRChat devs are talking with modders right now

[sharp saddle]

[celest narwhal]

I only see .33. not .20

[steady sequoia]

will Unity 2019 help with multi-core processing? I'm getting tired of so much lag and my CPU sitting at next to no utilization

[distant rampart]

I mean I think that is generally the point most of them say from what I've seen anyway, but there is ongoing talks with modders atm, so the future is a bit uncertain for whats next in that area.

[shell grove]

I like that they're actively reaching out to see what they can improve about the vanilla client

[noble depot]

Try making your dynamic bone limiter more restrictive if you haven't already? o:

[night swift]

it wont happen. Neos has like, 250 concurrent users, vs here is 40-45k. vrchat would have to burn their platform to the ground (the mod ban) or the other two come out with some god tier thing that vrchat cant copy fast enough

[shell grove]

I like to think the requests for player-player dynamic bones influenced physics bones

[main fern]

The outcome of these talks will hopefully to get stuff modders made into the game officially that can drastically improve it

[steady sequoia]

LOL.. yeah, I mean, other than that? 😛

[distant rampart]

It was in talk for a while there's actually a canny about it, but its hard to say for sure.

[twin fractal]

I agree with this 100%. If I'm going to risk using a mod I'm fully prepared to get banned.

[distant rampart]

^^

[steady sequoia]

the mod ban already saw a ton of very motivated, smart people leave the platform permanently to Neos, mostly.

[shell grove]

I think things are looking up, the team just needs to be very attentive of the community feedback to stuff like the Creator Economy

[distant rampart]

But its not 100% certain, from what I've gathered from looking around most of the ones who get banned, are ones who are actively flexing and attacking users.

[rancid jewel]

in the dev stream systems got a huge smile when he said "i'm suffering, personally."
this says a lot

[shell grove]

They're playing with fire in multiple ways with a system like that

[main fern]

If you keep mods to yourself and not show them off you will likely be safe

[distant rampart]

There are two sides to that coin, the passives and aggressives you just see the aggressives usually outted more.

Cause they give themselves away lmao

[rancid jewel]

system are you doing okay? do you need a hug?

[twin fractal]

except for ban waves. but with the way things are going I don't expect to see them as frequently as before

[shell grove]

I laughed when System was like "all of the backend problems are my fault"

[main fern]

Ban waves are wacky as hell, they get some and miss some

[night swift]

sure, but that wasnt enough really. you have to get the users to need the mods more then they want to have everyone here. the critical mass would need to move. VRC adding bones for example would make most furries at least suddenly not care about the other two

[distant rampart]

The last banwaves that were reverted was because their names got cross referenced since they were the same as their IGN, there is no current method vrchat uses to scan user files like this, most of it is either cross references or someone got recorded using their special magik powers, this was a bad move on vrchats part though so then afterwards talks began.

[steady sequoia]

Yup, I'll agree with that. It was absolutely top of my list of things I want, right after performance imporovements, and MAINTAINING A COMMERCE FREE GAME

[sharp rose]

i just wanna use collision to grab vr tacos and put them in my face

[distant rampart]

Please submit the idea for the name to be "Dynamic Burritos" still as a idea LMAO

[steady sequoia]

I will however accept using a system to let events pay for attendance. That is fine.. for an isolated event like a concert or online con

[sharp rose]

but burrito isnt taco

[noble depot]

I mean
a softshell taco can be made into a burrito

[distant rampart]

For the dynamic bones themselves sach!

I will say from my own research that modders didn't do, the grabbing peoples bones and arranging it, that was something that I am personally excited for.

If possible I'll make it so my head can be bopped.

[twin fractal]

The same people cryimg about the mods adding thing to the game that dev aren't adding are the ones saying "x mod already had this lol". They can't be pleased. Negative to the bone.

[lavish aurora]

what does 'creator economy ' mean

[shell grove]

Imagine an avatar where you can actually hand out tacos to other avatars

[steady sequoia]

Gotta say, my first experience in Neos when I could grab someone's ear and tug on it, and rub it all the way down.. that was magical.

[night swift]

the current bones mods are basically just an iteration of the original in the game bones from years ago, that got removed due to performance issues

[lucid sandal]

I already know which bone I'm grabbing

[distant rampart]

Yeah I did a bit of research myself into the subject before talking about it, there's been quite a bit of history.

[earnest drift]

Which bone is that

[steady sequoia]

How many people have actually paid for their dynamic bones plug-in? I bet not many.

[twin fractal]

[vocal shard]

Would be cool if VRC could eventually get to the point where you can create props, hand it out and have other people use your creations

[distant rampart]

Neos lets you do that?

[twin fractal]

✋

[vocal shard]

Like an inventory system for props etc

[steady sequoia]

It sure does. Let me find the clip

[distant rampart]

👉 👈

[lucid sandal]

Neos VR does a lot of things that VRchat doesn't have yet. Facial Tracking is a big one

[distant rampart]

Send in dms so it doesn't cause issues here.

[rancid flame]

man if i wasnt too smoothbrained to figure out the ui i would totally try out neos

[vocal shard]

Facial tracking is just really weird tbh

[lucid sandal]

It's really important for mutes

[rancid flame]

its just another step in immersion

[distant rampart]

If my face was tracked you'd see a neutral face almost 24/7 I'm very neutral and bland.

[twin fractal]

with some of the things announced today. this actually isn't farfetched...

[vocal shard]

can i see a clip too? that sounds kinda dope

[night swift]

do you mean deaf? or did i learn something new today 4 minutes in?

[vocal shard]

Nawh, I'm a mute myself and I am completely fine without it.
I don't think I'd like to see all the weird stuff people do with their face, lmao

[earnest drift]

Mutes are people who dont talk

[distant rampart]

It would be cool for that new world thing if worlds started adding a mute keyboard instead as a modifcation page on their world.

[noble depot]

I'm a mute ingame and have no problems by people not having facial tracking o:

[fading epoch]

vrc doesnt have a clue what its doing lmfao, i refuse to support it financially ever

[night swift]

yeah but like, if a mute just sits there and mouths at me, im not gonna understand it. if i talk at a lot of deaf people though, they read my lips

[rancid flame]

you dont miss something if you have never tried it. dont knock something if you have never tried it either

[vocal shard]

I think giving mutes too much stuff to communicate with isn't all that good either, the fun part about being a mute is being quirky and expressive, if you can type and all that stuff then you might as well just unmute and talk instead.

[earnest drift]

Kinda hard to determine how a mute would use it in this case because its not active in VRC and I don't currently play NEOS

[rancid flame]

face tracking helps to be expressive

[distant rampart]

There is also a stigma for them and maybe not all mutes want to text and not be "quirky and expressive"

[noble depot]

^

[distant rampart]

So that comes down to preference at that point.

[lucid sandal]

Lets on social cues too. I want people to know I'm looking at a fat ass

[thick scarab]

any interesting stuff during that stream?

[vocal shard]

actually curious too

That is up to each person, I personally see no point in giving mutes the ability to communicate through text, etc

[sharp saddle]

We need to hang out in VRC sometime.

[tropic crater]

I want to lick my nose in vr duh

[vocal shard]

Removes the whole point that makes mutes fun, imo.

[rancid flame]

i dont see the issue with giving the option for people to use it

[earnest drift]

I am going spreads this far and wide. People will be able to touch you and you can touch them. With consent of course.

[noble depot]

aa I would if my avatar wasn't still broken

[distant rampart]

Not are mutes are mutes are for 'fun' they just don't want to talk, can't talk.

[thick scarab]

@earnest drift sounds good

[night swift]

in both it just would / does use the vismeme system. basically you map out "face tracker says you are doing facial movement #32, map to VV"

[sharp saddle]

Broken?

[main fern]

If you spend a few months or so stretching your tongue you will be able to in real life

[thick scarab]

global dynamics?

[vocal shard]

upcoming physics bones systems and ui updates

[night swift]

and blends the vismemes blendshapes together as your face moves in a facimilie

[steady sequoia]

@distant rampart @vocal shard Example of how Neos lets you rub people's ears. This is what I HOPE VRC is talking about with their new announcement today: https://twitter.com/FluteBirdie/status/1348513639758630914?s=20

[thick scarab]

thank u

[vocal shard]

did they talk about the performance issues'

kinda like how bone works works i think

[distant rampart]

Dynamics is what I'm interested in the most, but I feel like my friends would bully me to see if they can force a reaction out of me since I'm usually neutral.

[earnest drift]

dynamic bones is gettting an upgrade to be less laggy and allow you to interact with others

[noble depot]

old update broke the pen on my avatar, so it's constantly emitting now
Don't have access to the files of the avatar 'cause the hard-drive it was on failed, so I'm kinda hoping on data recovery lol

[thick scarab]

niceee

[lucid sandal]

I hate it when I pull a muscle in my tongue. It becomes a numbing pain in your entire face.

[sharp saddle]

Oof.

[vocal shard]

They did sorta, I suppose they're gonna move to eventually get Dynamic bones outta the game

[noble depot]

would really rather not remake it but bleh

[vocal shard]

cool ty

[distant rampart]

Or make a auto converter!

[earnest drift]

VRChat public lobbies about to be on a whole nother level with this new bone system

[amber juniper]

have enabled future proofing? if yes, you can actually download the unitypackage of your avatar (but you have to be logged in)

[main fern]

I bet none of yall can touch your uvula with your tongue hehe

[vocal shard]

Yeah. New physics system that runs a lot better than dynamic bones and on all cores. Some more regional servers for less ping, and much more

[noble depot]

Nope, future proofing broke uploading for me, and afaik it's not supported anyways? o:

[distant rampart]

Time to bully @vocal shard by pushing his head back if I ever met him in game.

[vocal shard]

[noble depot]

no buli jamie o:

[earnest drift]

I cant wait to not crash when seeing a person with a million bones all over their body x30

[lucid sandal]

Thank you for showing me something I need to try later lol

[thick scarab]

wait so it's going to use another unity script instead of dynamic bones?

[amber juniper]

they don't use it, but if you have it enabled, the SDK actually uploads a unitypackage of the avatar, which you can download.

[steady sequoia]

Yes. That's what they said

[vocal shard]

They're writing their own. Yeah

[noble depot]

in-house solution, yup!

[molten gale]

I really hope they auto convert dynbones to the new ones

[main fern]

I can't wait to yank at anime girls ponytails and punch people in the face whenever I feel like it

[amber juniper]

but maybe now you know what backups are for

[distant rampart]

You have to be careful with some future proofing some nasty rippers like to use that to get your whole package file.

[vocal shard]

Godfall models might finally be a little less painful to load with the new script then. No longer -10 fps per GF model

[noble depot]

lmao ofc

[thick scarab]

sounds good, i always wanted to make hair that moves like real hair

[tropic crater]

Future proofing is a time scam

[earnest drift]

I would leave my permissions open to let you punch me in the face randomly.

[sharp rose]

My current understanding is auto-conversion is planned.

[main fern]

Nice

[distant rampart]

I'm gonna make a hammer that can bonk people.

[molten gale]

Yeah I watched the stream, they said theyll try and I think the community will be angry if they dont

[thick scarab]

i hope that new thing to be more easy to use

[distant rampart]

OR put it in my hands, if its indepth enough make it so when my hands are fully open it can bonk/slap.

[amber juniper]

the API only allows you to download the unitypackage if you are authenticated as the same user that uploaded it

[thick scarab]

i'm hyped about skirts not clipping trough the legs

[distant rampart]

It's very possible to yoink avatars like that with future, rippers go brrr.

[vocal shard]

hair clipping through heads

[tropic crater]

Oh no. Saying you will try is setting up for outrage unless you do pull it off lmao

[molten gale]

Finally not -15 fps in a japanese event just cuz of dynbones despite i9 10900k sounds so nice

[steady sequoia]

Thanks for the convo, everyone. I'm gonna jump into game now

[distant rampart]

But most don't go out of their way to do it.

[earnest drift]

Peace

[distant rampart]

Peace friend.

[vocal shard]

Can't wait for the usual monkeys that leave their permissions open for everyone to go onto the vrc reddit and make posts called "Touching other people's dynamic bones without permission is not okay!!!"

[sharp rose]

Wait...people want BETTER performance? Oh man I gotta go change my notes brb

[thick scarab]

those dynamics that are so GOOD that if one hair goes in front of your shoulder it stays like that

[vocal shard]

Rip I didnt see that Operator

[distant rampart]

Inb4 "i got assaulted in vrchat!'

[amber juniper]

I wonder how, because when I tried to download one of my unitypackages, it didn't let me, because I wasn't logged in in the browser

[rancid flame]

no. i like my cinematic 15 fps. anymore and it just doesnt have the right feel

[vocal shard]

Lmfao

[molten gale]

Haha lmao, anyways I loved the dev stream and love how the best features are already coming this summer

[sharp rose]

xD

[sharp rose]

Yep, very excited as well! 😄

[night swift]

just be me and have your memory running at 2133 instead of 3200

[distant rampart]

From what I understood some multithreading was talked about too, soo... screams in pc being able to abuse this

[night swift]

hello 40 ms frametimes down to 15ms

[tropic crater]

Or force yourself in to the 11 fps bug

[vocal shard]

Yeah I'd say this is the best stream we've had so far

[earnest drift]

not clickbait!!

[molten gale]

Yeah my avg frames are already 50 to 70 cant wait for that to skyrocket higher!

[sharp rose]

yis

[thick scarab]

i'd like VRchat to be more like a social media with more complete profiles and stuff

[vocal shard]

So hyped after the stream

[spring vine]

Sach why doesnt this server have an art chat

[sharp rose]

iunno

[noble depot]

I mean, there's nothing physically stopping someone from using a CPU to cook noodles, just need like a hundredish DB collider checks and time lmao

[molten gale]

Bios and such are coming now ingame soooo

[thick scarab]

niceeee

[noble depot]

#vrchat-fan-art

[spring vine]

I cant bribe the mods without an art chat

[distant rampart]

inb4 I use statuses to advertise.

[spring vine]

thats fanart not art

[thick scarab]

more like a social media and not a game, that's why i love this game

[sharp rose]

You cant contact the mods period, unless you submit a ticket. And we won't pass messages to them for you either. :p

[molten gale]

I gotta learn c# for udon stuff

[amber juniper]

but I am disappointed that they didn't put an ETA for row 20

[spring vine]

it was a joke lol

[distant rampart]

👉 👈

[molten gale]

Relies heavily on unity to fix their issues, reason why 2018 was delayed by many months

[wet oriole]

Now im going to slay children in murder 4

[spring vine]

im aware there is no communication between the mods and the userbase directly 🍵

[twin fractal]

udon stuff doesn't look to hard I could probably pick it up. just really into worlds rn

[sharp rose]

Row 20 has an ETA of

[noble depot]

20

[distant rampart]

Will the new unity version see any changes to FPS? or just new features.

[amber juniper]

*chuckle*

[sharp rose]

Hello this is definitely Sach, and not the VRChat Containment Team. There is no Row 20. Thank you and good day.

[amber juniper]

I was talking about row 20, not unity 2020

[twin fractal]

row 20 when

[distant rampart]

This is scp now.

Where is scp-20

[rancid flame]

row 20 when?

[worthy oracle]

I sure would hope so

Typically each major unity version is more optimized than the last though.

[distant rampart]

I heard 2020 has problems.

[tropic crater]

I don’t think unity versions have drastic optimisations like that out of the box

Features that would improve optimisation probably

Definitely *

[noble depot]

changing Unity versions likely won't see any major (if any afaik?) performance improvements, but features and stuff yeah

shader recompilin' fun sounds interesting to deal with though lol

[distant rampart]

I know last unity jump we got way improved shaders/lighting

[shell grove]

What about row 23 though

[worthy oracle]

Row 24?

[shell grove]

Or column 0

[distant rampart]

row-64

[tropic crater]

Im only on row 22 :/

[shell grove]

I'm working with 2019 for my project and on the surface they don't seem very different

[distant rampart]

[shell grove]

There's probably some deeper engine stuff I'm not aware of

[tropic crater]

It’s usually a case of things being the same until you manually change feature settings

To avoid legacy problems

[shell grove]

Fuck the new input system though it's awful

I hate it immensely

[tropic crater]

I’m glad most of my time in unity is only dealing with vrc stuff

As a UE dev most of the time in unity feels like I’ve got two left feet

Or hands i guess

[shell grove]

Sometimes I regret not going with UE4

But I'm just working on a 3D platformer so it's pretty simple

I don't need the stuff Unreal provides

[tropic crater]

Unity is a lot friendly for smaller projects

[shell grove]

Unreal is just heavier in general

[tropic crater]

They’ve made some strides to improve that by pushing on their modules approach

Minimum executable size of about 90mb still tho

[pearl loom]

Could someone summarize the stream? What's coming?

[shell grove]

• Identity Update (Weeks)
• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[molten gale]

first 3 are imo the best

[pearl loom]

What are the first 3

[main fern]

yup

[noble depot]

biggest features imo are the in-house solutions/replacements for dynamic bones, the identity update stuff (bios, statuses, etc) and the new UI

[shell grove]

I am unbelievably excited for avatar dynamics

[noble depot]

rest are really heckin cool too though o:

[molten gale]

Samee

[vocal shard]

wtf is a row 20 lol

[main fern]

avatar dynamics is probably the most wanted feature

[pearl loom]

Aye global dynamic bones

Thats gonna be hot

[sharp rose]

there is no row 20

[vocal shard]

makes sense

[noble depot]

Global dynamic bones that run on multiple cores, perform well, and can have interactions/actions linked up to them

[molten gale]

there is no row 20

[sharp rose]

^

[vocal shard]

there is no row 20

[noble depot]

also, they can interact with worlds too o:

[tropic crater]

Row 20 is any feature you want

[rancid jewel]

pet the cat

[shell grove]

Identity update has new status and bio stuff along with an image gallery for VRC+ peeps, avatar dynamics are a complete replacement for dynamic bones which allow for player interaction and triggers, and the new Ui is a new UI

[tropic crater]

ETA unknown

[molten gale]

row 20 is too powerful

[molten gale]

well new quickmenu ui for now

[shell grove]

I'm also excited for those custom world menus

[noble depot]

row 20 is sach's taco ingredient tier list confirmed

[shell grove]

They're doing the full UI too

[molten gale]

ye but 4 now only quickmenu

ui 1.5

[noble depot]

oh heck right, the custom world menus too
those have so much potential o:

[shell grove]

pfft

yeah but EvEnTuAlLy

[molten gale]

I wanna make my world udon just so I can use it

[noble depot]

I have literally no idea what I'd use it for atm but aa I want to use it

[rancid flame]

there is no role 20
there is no war in ba sing se

[molten gale]

in menu world settings

like mirrors etc

[noble depot]

was about to say, yus lol
having world menu settings that you can take around with you will be heckin' cool

[molten gale]

post processing, all that

One of the only times ive ever seen all of the vrc discord in a good mood

[noble depot]

actually yeah lol, it's vv cool

[tropic crater]

I am always in stinky mood

That didn’t come out right

[noble depot]

lmao
also oh heck, text chats in the menu might be a thing with the world menus

[vale osprey]

yo wait im curious bout something

would the avatar collision stuff be for quest too

[regal furnace]

i doubt as it still requires dynamic bones, and the colliders are the biggest performance destroyer

[vale osprey]

but its gonna be physic bones now which perform 10x better then dynamic

[earnest drift]

Today in the dev stream, they said it's possible in the future but unknown at the moment.

[vale osprey]

i was watching when they said that

it seemed very well possible

[hallow zealot]

Dude that dev stream was awesome super hyped!!! 🔥 🔥

[tropic crater]

just offload the processing to the server 4head

its just that easy

[regal furnace]

it was 1am for me, so i missed it

[hallow zealot]

Watched it at 4am lol

[regal furnace]

i hope they make them a bit earlier or at least on weekends

i had to get up at 5:20am, so no staying up long for me

[hallow zealot]

But u can always check it out

[hallow zealot]

Uff yeah i get you..

[vocal shard]

yo

[regal furnace]

unfortunately i dont have time to watch it currently or in the next 2 weeks or so

[molten gale]

dynbones will likely be replaced 100%

[vale osprey]

for sure

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/chuunibyou-anime-kawaii-yes-gif-8215787

[regal furnace]

sounds pog

[vale osprey]

they made it sounds definite pretty much

[hallow zealot]

Yeh i believe so too. Should improve performance so much

[vale osprey]

physic bones perform like 10x better then dynamic they said so quest users will certainly get that shit

hopefully avatar colliders too

[regal furnace]

if the claims are true, i hope they make a db -> their bone system converter

[hallow zealot]

At first i thought "world dynamic bones! U can interact with others dynamic bones like the mod!"
Than it became even better

[molten gale]

yeah from like 5ms frametime to .45ms in a test and also multithreaded

[molten gale]

will likely happen on avatar load

[regal furnace]

im really looking forward to the announced updates, now its just a matter of when

[vale osprey]

the summer

for a lot of em

[molten gale]

hopefully

[hallow zealot]

Yep should be in around in few months

[molten gale]

They said times might change if issues occour

[vale osprey]

• Identity Update (Weeks)
• New UI (Summer)
• Avatar Dynamics (Summer)
• Groups (This year)
• Creator Economy (This year)
• VRC+ Gifting (Summer)
• VRC+ Oculus (Summer)
• UNU (Weeks)

[molten gale]

(All deadlines can change)

[vale osprey]

ye

[pearl loom]

UNU?

[regal furnace]

i wonder how they would manage the creator payment thingie on collab worlds

[rancid flame]

i assume unu is the osc inegration but i could be completely wrong because i have no idea what else it could be

[humble cloud]

Thank you guys so much, I can't wait for persistence and save slots for drawing! 😭

[compact granite]

udon networking upgrade

[rancid flame]

that makes more sense

[vale osprey]

I honestly think the whole creator economy thing is a real bad idea for right now and foreseeable future

theres so many issues that come with it

[regal furnace]

maybe thats why they havent announced anything exactly yet (this year)

[vale osprey]

just think of all the copyright shit and licensing issues

a lot of avatars that exist are already copyrighted and licensed characters from anime, games, shows, and shit

[regal furnace]

this would only work if you made everything by yourself

[vale osprey]

yeah but like think of you make an avatar of a character like lets say Scooby Doo and you go ahead n somehow sell it off youd be making money off a licensed and copyrighted character which is a big issue

and i dont know how original some people can be sometimes

to come up with completely new and original characters

[regal furnace]

honestly, world creators should be prioritized on stuff like that. While avatar creators already regularly sell their scratch model, world creators depend solely on donations if at all. Not a lot of people do world commissions either as making worlds is often overlooked and overshadowed by avatar creation

[vale osprey]

I mean im for creators getting support for what they make but i honestly feel like this whole economy thing is just such a red flag for a few reasons

[spring vine]

Seeing how booth avatars are treated idk about it either

[inland peak]

would also need proper asset encryption to be viable to begin with, otherwise someone can just rip any av being sold, modify it slightly, then reupload it as their own

[vale osprey]

its gonna happen no matter what im sure

[rancid flame]

the creator economy will need things to be individually approved i assume

[vale osprey]

yeah thats not gonna happen

that shit is gonna be a disaster

[regal furnace]

they did check every world that went public until like 2 years ago though

[vale osprey]

VRChat is too big to fully check everything anymore and i doubt they have the power n people to check completely everything

sooo not happening its too much of an undertaking i believe

[earnest drift]

People rip entire game models and put them in VRChat. For example, almost every model from code vein was put in a couple of weeks after the game came out. Imagine if someone was dumb enough to try to sell those.

[regal furnace]

they dont need to check every world though. only submitted ones are enough already

[vale osprey]

i gurantee you someone will be

[graceful pewter]

and I doubt even Google could make a machine learning algorithm to do it automatically

[regal furnace]

or maybe make it only available for people who apply first

[earnest drift]

The question is in the verifying of the content. Vrchat devs haven't said how this will happen.

[regal furnace]

a lot of creators are very well known and never use others stuff, so it wojld be fair to make like a validation system

[vale osprey]

i just honestly think its a bad idea

[distant rampart]

I wouldn't mind a donation button as a option, then it avoids some copyright issues as you're not paying for the model, you're donating to the model maker.

[regal furnace]

the idea is good, it just depends on how they implement it

[graceful pewter]

probably why they went with this subscription approach

[distant rampart]

prob, it avoids alot of legal trouble.

[graceful pewter]

and easier to implement compared to a Marketplace system

[earnest drift]

Not sure I would use the words ”a lot of creators” as I know I have seen the same mmd models from deviantart ripped and customized without the original creators permission placed in VRChat. These are the same people selling those rigged models for 40+ currently outside of vrchat .

[regal furnace]

i was reffering mainly to world creators, but selling mmd stuff could get you in legal trouble with or without that creator support system

[graceful pewter]

there's a pretty decent amount of furry models that are completely original being sold about on Shop website

[regal furnace]

these creators deserve the money anyway and already get money for it

[distant rampart]

I think if the model is completely from scratch and not a model that was taken without permission sure.

But stealing assets and then making people pay for them is scummy.

[last vortex]

theres plenty of avatar creators

going full scratch now

[distant rampart]

I'm fine elsewise.

[last vortex]

or purchasing commericial licenses

[distant rampart]

That works too.

[earnest drift]

I am just of the mindset that the payment model belongs outside of vrchat. If no other reason, for legal reasons.

[regal furnace]

and thats a really good thing in my eyes, scratch models are usually much higher quality than mmd ones

[distant rampart]

Honestly I'm 50/50 with subs but def a donation button would be interesting instead.

[vale osprey]

honestly i agree VRChat has always been wild and completely free

[distant rampart]

Like a model creator? Donate to them!

[graceful pewter]

and models in VRoid that you did all the work on are apparently also fine and dandy to the corporation that runs VRoid

[vale osprey]

Yeah for sure i would like donating more

[regal furnace]

i never thought people would be that open to donations after the vrc+ shitstorm honestly

[distant rampart]

Donations is more of a passive approach to supporting creators in my eyes.

[earnest drift]

From the discussion around when vrchat plus came out, it was more about "what am I getting for a monthly bill"

People don't mind giving vrchat a one time payment or donating to creators they support

[distant rampart]

Subscriptions while nice also lead to some legal issues ontop of a chance of being barred off alot more.

I wouldn't mind VRC+ but I can't dish out constant money, even if its small money is money.

Gotta respecc

[dense glade]

I can crouch but I cant lay down, how do I lay down as a desktop user?

[earnest drift]

Z

[dense glade]

Yesss

Thanks

[earnest drift]

👍

[regal furnace]

huh, i guess i can consider a small donation button then once that world ive planned with a friend goes live sometime this year

[distant rampart]

Or maybe unlock tiers if they really wanted to cash in some things.

[vale osprey]

i feel like donation would be more passive and a better way to go about this all instead of a sub thing

[distant rampart]

"give us 5 for this" "10 for that"

buuut that's just me.

anyway ima hop cya

[earnest drift]

Peace

[long estuary]

oop

[hidden wedge]

so we not able to use vrcx anymore? everytime i go to view peoples public models i get 401 Unauthorized "" "You can only browse your own avatars"""avatars"

[regal furnace]

vrcx?

[gentle slate]

Does anyone play test pilot

??

[hidden wedge]

@regal furnace tool used outside of vrchat to manage friends, avatars and some other stuff

was really cool for a long time

[regal furnace]

maybe they closed that api endpoint

[hidden wedge]

🤷‍♂️ maybe

just sucks cause its really useful

or was at least

[regal furnace]

i never used vrcx, so idk

the only "tool" i use outside vrchat is vrcw.net for world browsing and stuff

[dense glade]

Why is my rep Very Poor Ive done literally nothing?

How can you see what happened to your rep

[hidden wedge]

if you look it up its really helpful 😔

[regal furnace]

thats avatar stats

[hidden wedge]

^

[dense glade]

My avatar is very poor?...

[hidden wedge]

not optimized

[regal furnace]

performance wise

[dense glade]

Its a plain avatar without effects...

[graceful pewter]

doesn't matter if it's poorly put together

[regal furnace]

what does it say exactly?

[hidden wedge]

its common. might be dynamic bones or a lot of materials or polys

[dense glade]

It says Very Poor

[regal furnace]

and the details?

[dense glade]

So those are just avatar stats? Ive been thinking everyone with poor did something wrong XD

[hidden wedge]

no no

ur good lol

[regal furnace]

everyone with very poor did not optimize their avatars enough 👀

[dense glade]

Wont let me post a pic

[regal furnace]

use a hoster

[dense glade]

Polygons are like 19/70, and theres a bunch of 1/* fractions under that

Oh actually no

[polar depot]

very poor is actually a status symbol, based on your headset.
Quest 2 = very poor
Valve Index / FBT = Great

[dense glade]

I have no headset and my status was okay before.

Must be avatar

[regal furnace]

it is avatar

you select one of the pre made ones and its good to excelent

[wet river]

hows everyone doing today?

errr well tonight

[gentle slate]

Random question

But does anyone play test pilot

[dense glade]

Changed into an avatar and its medium now, Im satisfied lol

[vocal shard]

funny thing but the only otpimised models are those ported from some games or the meme models

the anime models have like so many polygons

[shadow apex]

I need a bit of help, so anytime I try going into vrchat now my arms just don’t wanna like work and it says on my oculus app that they are connected and everything and even on steam vr it says they are connected, I try deleting vrchat than redownloading it and it didn’t work, and I also reinstalled steamvr to and it also didn’t work, wondering if I could just get some help

[slate seal]

did you restart your PC as well @shadow apex

[shadow apex]

Mmmh

[wet oriole]

Emote

Always works fornme

When you do a infinite emote and change avatars your arms dont work until you remote

[shadow apex]

Also restart the oculus app and idk what it exactly called but I did some verify thingy for stream vr and after it work but it’s happen again and I really don’t wanna do this over and over

Alright I try

[graceful pewter]

also the fur avatars tend to be pretty decent

as they're pretty much all modeled from scratch with the intent of vrchat

[tacit plank]

Seems there was a VRC stream

Any transcript for those who missed it?

[graceful pewter]

https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1382137576589459460?s=20

[shadow apex]

I try and no work

[vocal shard]

what fur avatars

[regal furnace]

furry i guess

[vocal shard]

where

[regal furnace]

in vrchat i guess

most furry avatars are made from scratch

[graceful pewter]

https://vrchat.com/home/launch?worldId=wrld_65ce4a4b-f66f-4844-adfe-072663394514

https://www.vrcarena.com/

[vocal shard]

I see furries on posters

but nobody here

[graceful pewter]

that's because they don't tend to be in public instances

or chat in furry vrchat Discord

as like basically every major Avatar maker has a Discord now

[vocal shard]

do you have furry model

[graceful pewter]

https://i.gyazo.com/d09bcf2a8c116674240778ffd96587f4.png

[lavish aurora]

Furry!

[vocal shard]

Anyone got a tldr of what happened in the stream?

[graceful pewter]

https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1382137576589459460?s=20 this set of tweets

[vocal shard]

Ty

[graceful pewter]

lots of exciting stuff for furry avatars

they're making a replacement for dynamic bones that's cheaper on performance and avatars can influence each other's physics bones which is their current name for the replacement and the bone colliders can trigger animations

[slate seal]

sounds kinda neat

so better performance and more features

[graceful pewter]

yes and you don't have to spend 20 bucks to use it

[slate seal]

what do you mean by that?

like to use it on your avatar?

[graceful pewter]

you have to purchase Dynamic Bones from the unity asset store if you want to upload a avatar with it

[earnest flint]

how can i check how far away i am from trusted user

[slate seal]

ah, and the new system is freeware?

[graceful pewter]

yes

[arctic elm]

you cant

[earnest flint]

oh

sorry someone said you could and i got confused.

thanks for the unfo

what do i need to get trusted user

[arctic elm]

play the game :P

[lucid sandal]

Where's the final boss?

[restive flax]

Anyone got a highlights/write up summary of the Dev stream by any chance?

[graceful pewter]

https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1382137576589459460?s=20 this set of tweets

[placid umbra]

it was a gigantic stream

[restive flax]

Thank you, yeah since it wasn't really in an eu friendly time it was hard for me to attend 🙂

[placid umbra]

Kent's tweets are great, just be sure to click More Tweets so that you can see them all

[spring mist]

wait who's making a replacement for dynamic bones? pog

[graceful pewter]

vrchat themselves it should be ready sometime this summer from the sounds of it it is 10 times less expensive than Dynamic bones for the cpu

[spring mist]

nice

[restive flax]

The creator economy is awesome o: Bit worried that people will steal avatars and give them out for support though 😦

[slate seal]

isn't that already a thing anyway?

ppl stealing avatars and reselling them?

[restive flax]

Unfortunately, but it will make it even easier for people to make money of stolen things 😦

[slate seal]

isn't it that avatars private or public, are stored in the server itself and it's possible to pull the model from the client if you're in the same instance?

that's at least what i've been told those people do to steal avatars

couldn't it just be solved to save them clientside so that they're only bound to your own PC

[restive flax]

I'm an avatar creator, and people sometimes buy models and then re-sell them even if they are absolutely not allowed to :/

[graceful pewter]

not really because at some point your GPU have access to the stuff to actually render it

[late void]

What's the creator economy

[slate seal]

so there's no way to 100% protect your avatar?

[solar karma]

there is

make it private

[late void]

No that's still not 100% at all

[solar karma]

but not 100%

i was about to type that

[late void]

The only way I can see it is if they get it possible to have some sort of encryption

[restive flax]

no that doesnt work.

It's up to VRChat to implement working report/takedown features... so when people steal or abuse content we should have a way to report it that they listen to

[slate seal]

i know about the making stuff private thing

but i also know that there's always a back door

[regal furnace]

dont make one is the best way to not get it stolen

[molten gale]

Theres no way to protect from rips as its a unity game

[graceful pewter]

not going to help as it would still need to be unencrypted form for the gpu to actually render it

[molten gale]

Not vrchats fault, unity makes it easy to rip assets it seems

[solar karma]

or don't go in public worlds

[molten gale]

Yeah they could just rip it from the RAM

[restive flax]

😇 Look at some other games, it's not just Unity

[solar karma]

where they can steal ur avatar

[molten gale]

you are not safe in friends+ either really

[slate seal]

well due to my extreme social anxiety, the odds of me going in a public world is rather low

even if that makes finding new friends kinda hard

[molten gale]

You can rarely make friends in public really

unless you are a wolfboy, egirl, like rap etc

[graceful pewter]

basically the current workflow as I understand it is meet new people in friends blessed instances /Discord servers

[molten gale]

or a child

[solar karma]

musician

[molten gale]

Yeah making friends in publics becomes increasingly more difficult

Game worlds are usually the best option

[restive flax]

My tip is go to not popular public worlds 🙂 you can find some really nice people there sometimes

[graceful pewter]

my Avatar type makes hanging out in public World a pretty much non-starter

[solar karma]

you can find friends on open mic night too

most of them are musicians but really nice ppl

[molten gale]

I just stay in friends+ or invite+

[tacit plank]

There's civilized public worlds, they're just few

And I don't want to say which they are, because it would ruin them

[molten gale]

Yeah agreed, theres a few

[spring mist]

guys does vrchat have like, their own images for you to download from

twitter for example has their logo svg's and png's in different colors for you to download off of them

[delicate star]

Wut

[spring mist]

does vrc have that somewhere

[vocal shard]

no

[spring mist]

inspect element it is kekw

[restive flax]

Check the press kit https://hello.vrchat.com/press

[spring mist]

ahhhh there we go

you're a legend

imagine i'm giving u reddit gold

[restive flax]

😂 no worries

[delicate star]

:0

Vr chat is weird

[arctic wind]

agree

[delicate star]

If it only had like the 16+ men

Then 10/10

The squeakers and stuff really ruin it

With their meme’s and stuff

[restive flax]

Visit non-quest compatible worlds for a more mature experience 🙂

[delicate star]

🥲 but i’m on the quest

[restive flax]

Upgrade time 😄

[delicate star]

I just got it

two days ago

[restive flax]

Connect it to your PC and play over steam vr?

you can do that too ^^

[delicate star]

I dont own a pc

[restive flax]

Then your only option is to find a bunch of friends to hang out with in Friends+ worlds

[delicate star]

i see

I’d rather find friends here though since i dont like to talk

And vr chat doesn’t have a messaging feature

Which i’d love

[restive flax]

it kind of does, some worlds has it, and you can send messages with invites

and avatars with pens/keyboards so you can write 🙂

[delicate star]

interesting

there are avatars that have that?

how do i find thoseeeee

[restive flax]

I think pens are available on quest at least? Someone correct me if im wrong

[delicate star]

uhm yea

[restive flax]

Im sure some avatar worlds for mutes have them

[delicate star]

I think its those crayons right

[restive flax]

ye

[delicate star]

That make white lines

Ok i’ll go try that

[restive flax]

Good luck!

[delicate star]

Mhm

[arctic wind]

presentation room

[drowsy pumice]

so what happened during the dev stream?

anything actually important happened?

[restive flax]

https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1382137576589459460?s=20 someone summarized it all here

click "show this thread" at the end of the tweets to see all of them

[drowsy pumice]

thanks

I like the new ui

[tulip oxide]

Was it said in stream vrchat was moving to 2019 unity

[still lark]

Yes, and they have a mirrored build of VRChat in Unity 2019, still got some things to fix though

[arctic elm]

Row 20 👀

[fading epoch]

So.. from what ive gathered about the whole VRChat economy thing... they expect users to run their money through a service in VRChat where the game itself already has security issues?

[vocal shard]

I don't see any issues with vrc+ , so why not

i kinda skimmed that thread. the colliders with other players is exciting :3

[fading epoch]

Vrc+ is also a joke. Paying for things that should be basic features.

[vocal shard]

you are paying to support them, not the features

[fading bough]

hewo

[vocal shard]

it was always advertised as such

[fading bough]

the features are all planned to be basic features

it's for bug testing and support for before they release

[delicate star]

XD

[tulip oxide]

are avatars going to brake again when it goes to 2019

[fading epoch]

The creator economy is an issue even further because the money isnt directly to them. Its going to other creators. If its comprimized by its poor security thats a biiig issue

[delicate star]

i may or may not have uhh

Accidentally turned off my light

[vocal shard]

probably

[fading bough]

....creator economy is no thanks

me and my furry avatar creator frens really don't need that we're just fine on our own

[fading epoch]

I didnt know that, that is interesting.. but even then i feel like its a total lie to get a quick buck.

[fading bough]

They've been completely transparent about it???? what

They address this in multiple streams AND the website

[fading epoch]

The vrc+ features are just too easy to even need to be bug tested. Just speculation.

[fading bough]

oh well

[fading epoch]

But yeah, the creator economy thing is the big joke here.

[fading bough]

mhm fuck that

[grave haven]

VRC+ is not for bug testing, it is a revenue stream and a way to support the game for those who want to.

[fading bough]

I guess I misemphasised things for "bug testing"

I meant like, features they'll eventually move to basic features are first given to vrc+ users

[fading epoch]

Id be so much more inclined to give VRC a cut of my money and support them if they listened to their community more... ive watched blatant cencorship from them and they have their priorities a little backwards in terms of what needs to get done.

[vocal shard]

what

where did you read that ?

[fading bough]

I just got here man idfk

[vocal shard]

because that's just bullshit