vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

Not to mention how even if nothing is found vrc rules will definitely require to be tightened

[jovial kestrel]

People's responses to this make me feel like they don't actually know how to use safety settings.

[pearl hemlock]

Thank you for actually understanding man, and talking with the community

[sharp rose]

❤️

[coarse blaze]

admit it, you had some laughs past 30 hours looking here

[sharp rose]

I havent been laughing at the community being upset at a problem, no. :p

[covert chasm]

i dunno if I'd call it a laugh

[cosmic shale]

It‘s tupper’s older brother
He’s like tupper except he would admit mod usage 😳

[coarse blaze]

Well, not at the community being upset, but more at the people refusing to acknowledge your statement

[vale pecan]

I no longer plan to play VRChat much, until a statement is made. However, I at the very least, respect the fact that you've accepted the lack of communication the community seems to face.

[vocal shard]

I'd call it [REDACTED]

[coarse blaze]

I'd be giggling to myself about the ignorance, especially how people still keep blaming tupper for no reason

[sharp rose]

oh god i am actually older than him... are we related

[cosmic shale]

little joke

[covert chasm]

i'm not related to anyone who doesn't like sgu/sga

[sharp rose]

No worries, and I genuinely appreciate you chatting with us, honestly and directly. ❤️

[frail magnet]

[sharp rose]

but... but

[vocal shard]

Yeah Tupper damn you because every single thing that's wrong with vrc is totally solely your fault

[vale pecan]

That's all both sides want. An honest, direct, productive conversation. Hopefully eventually one can be truly achieved. This is definitely a good start.

[wind frost]

i appreciate this :)

[frail magnet]

Thanks for trying to help with everything btw @sharp rose unlike Some people

[stable cargo]

mentioning sgu makes me sad, i really enjoyed sgu

[covert chasm]

[frail magnet]

[coarse blaze]

have I asked you before why did you choose Cirno of all the 250+ characters 🤔

[covert chasm]

she's not really quite cirno anymore

[vocal shard]

XD

[covert chasm]

my character, at least

[vocal shard]

Tupper did you ask to be the leader for the coumminty discord or whatever it's called or did they just kinda be like, hey you want this?

[coarse blaze]

but you still drew inspiration from Cirno

[covert chasm]

I got hired initially as a support person, then got pulled into a few roles-- one of which is Community Manager

Discord is only one small slice of our community 😄

[cosmic shale]

Tupper, what did you think of people who put scarves on Pokemon in art

[vocal shard]

Damn I'm really really uneducated on the coumminty

[simple hinge]

Tupper tanking the hate

[covert chasm]

its alright, its pretty massive at this point 😛

[cosmic shale]

It’s more interesting without explaining why

[vocal shard]

Just curious, why was a 3 year old bug fixed when 4 days ago a mod came out to fix and and two days ago there was mod maker ban?

[sharp rose]

the devs just... are, maaaan -waves hands around-

[covert chasm]

yeah definitely. Cirno just happened to be a 2hu that I liked, and a 2hu that I found a MMD for I liked early on and successfully imported into VRChat

[vocal shard]

Tupper do you play vrc or just kinda help assist the coumminty?

[covert chasm]

I've covered this a few times before, but basically coincidence

[simple hinge]

Talk sense into whoever's going hard on no mods at all whatsoever stance, tup

[coarse blaze]

respectable just kinda unusual since every 2hu fan I am/was friends with always memed on cirno, the entire 2hu community still memes cirno

Cirno seems to be less the liked and more the made fun of in a nice way (teased)

[cosmic shale]

I guess tupper doesn’t have an opinion on that one

[ripe kelp]

i mean, either it is finally fixed

[covert chasm]

I mostly play VRChat on weekends but I end up playing until my controllers die on friday and saturday nights sometimes I get on during the week, but I work 12-14 hours a day, so

[simple hinge]

Cirno is a baka. Is Tupper a baka too? As of yet undetermined.

[vocal shard]

It's bongski bb

It would be beautiful if a dev is playing vrc and a evil modder is caught by them on the spot

[boreal heath]

I thought VRChat staff are on every day lol

[covert chasm]

I think in total I have like 8 or 9k hours at this point

[vocal shard]

its quite usefull

[ripe kelp]

ew

[frail magnet]

[coarse blaze]

including the pre-steam days?

[vocal shard]

Send that one more time and you're getting smacked

[covert chasm]

If we were on every day we wouldn't be able to get any work done 😛 but certainly, there are some members of the team who are on literally daily, some every-other day, some just on weekends, and a few that play less often

[covert chasm]

I actually started playing after steam release

[coarse blaze]

:o

[frail magnet]

Smack me

[coarse blaze]

how did you become a big face so fast then cause I remember back when I started playing in January 2018 you were already sort of the face of vrchat

[vast tulip]

I reached over 10,000 hours last year

(and no, not sleeping, I am not the Mimi who streams and sleeps on stream like some people think. that is MimiVR)

[covert chasm]

i made a bunch of very popular avatar import tutorials i suppose

[vocal shard]

OI

[coarse blaze]

do you not get bored /sad of using tts after that many hours tho

[frail magnet]

[coarse blaze]

the only one I'm aware of is the megatutorial 🤔

[covert chasm]

there's a few

but that's the most popular by far

[frosty veldt]

Manual atlasing is another one

[coarse blaze]

and also the most relevant, funny enough

[vocal shard]

Fuck it, avatar with no polygons

[coarse blaze]

I could still watch your unity5.6.1p megatutorial and learn how to upload an avatar while other ppl can't make a decent tutorial for current standards LUL

[gleaming hill]

bruh

[pale plinth]

Non-euclidian avatars with infinite polygons

[vocal shard]

[coarse blaze]

doesn't hiding shaders break half the avatars tho? at least from personal experience I tried hading shaders and half the peoples faces broke

[vocal shard]

Would that even be possible? An avatar with no polygons is basically nothing right? I dont know a single thing about making avatars btw

[frail magnet]

[vocal shard]

No biting allowed, insta ban bye bye

[vast tulip]

I have shaders disabled on non friends by default and I usually forget they are disabled. rarely does it seem to break things

[clever pulsar]

goodnight everyone!!!

[gleaming hill]

Some of those shaders are pretty shady ngl

[vocal shard]

Night night bby 😳❤

[frail magnet]

Ban me

[coarse blaze]

mm, I guess the ones that broke were the more uhh... unoptimized/improper avatars

[gleaming hill]

<-- this guy is sad

[vocal shard]

I'm preparing the ban smack rn

[clever pulsar]

[vocal shard]

Noo, make him not sad

[frail magnet]

[coarse blaze]

that sounds reasonable
god the image of an eyeless, eyebrowless MMD face still haunts me when I think about it

[vocal shard]

share.

[frail magnet]

[fiery dragon]

19 dollar fortnite card

[vocal shard]

Who wants it?

[gleaming hill]

MMD herobrine

[coarse blaze]

worse

[frail magnet]

Man im hungy

[gleaming hill]

Protip: food is good for hunger

[vocal shard]

Cook food dummy

[frail magnet]

[frail magnet]

Im waiting on food rn

[coarse blaze]

actual protip: the less you think about hunger, the less hungry you will be, actual strategy used by greeks in ancient greek mythology:

They were suffering from famine so they had to eat only every 2nd day and on the days they didn't eat they would play with dices to not think about hunger

[vocal shard]

Oh yeah well uh, too many bots! Ha. I win

[vocal shard]

Better be ready to share when its ready

[coarse blaze]

why did that guy get bonked out 🤔

[vocal shard]

He vented in front of mods

[ruby needle]

he wrote that bruh moment in literally all the channels

[pearl hemlock]

@sharp rose do you guys keep logs of how many people were banned from vrc?

[coarse blaze]

hi fpaul, missed you

[ruby needle]

Im always here

you just don't know it

👀

[sharp rose]

uh... i dunno

[coarse blaze]

yesterday during the big drama someone scared me that you were fired :(

[ruby needle]

During such times we usually keep quiet, if one talks and 3 others mod in the background, the 1 who's in chat always get all the blame even if they did nothing.

[coarse blaze]

poor atiesh

[pearl hemlock]

kk, just wanted to know how many people/accounts were banned

[sharp rose]

FPaul is like that doomslayer meme: local man LITERALLY TOO ANGRY TO DIE

[ruby needle]

[sharp rose]

Even if I could find that information, I wouldnt be sharing it with you. :p

[pearl hemlock]

man

[vast tulip]

sounds par of the course for misinformation around vrc

[storm pilot]

yeah if you've watched the chat you know that any yellow name that speaks up during drama gets @'d for the next 10 minutes with random complaints and spam

[coarse blaze]

I was just mentioning that we had jamie and atiesh around and was missing fpaul for the exodia of chat mods, but then sm1 said "didn't fpaul get fired"

[sharp rose]

could be worse. one of my cats stole a shoe earlier, that was a low point of my day 😭

[jovial kestrel]

I'm just glad things actually ended in peaceful conversation.

[simple hinge]

Oof. Angry bot.

[coarse blaze]

he was one of the pro-mods, so probably misinformation propaganda

[gleaming hill]

I just assume anything from an unofficial source is a lie.

[ruby needle]

I'm a human bot, i can't get fired.
Only up gra....... [ERROR]

Rebooting...

[coarse blaze]

oh no he got fried

[simple hinge]

Since we have some of the dev team's ears in here: modders are overwhelmingly making vrchat the game it wish it was with the features they wish it had. The best games encourage mods, not persecute them.

[vocal shard]

Imma press his power button

[frail magnet]

[vocal shard]

They're always here, listening 😈

[jovial kestrel]

I'm very sure that everyone is well aware of this after the 24h of conversation that has been present the last while.

Do not worry.

[coarse blaze]

only time I can imagine vrc encouraging mods is when they have single player (a.k.a open beta)

[simple hinge]

I'm just a rat in a cage yet I must rage or something

[ripe kelp]

open betas arent single player, you can interact with others also on open beta

[vocal shard]

We know you are

[wide cove]

people wont stop saying it until something changes

[simple hinge]

Also @jovial kestrel conversation is for nerds, let me scream inarticulately in all caps at you instead

[jovial kestrel]

no

[simple hinge]

It's cruise control for cool, Ati

[fallow lotus]

unintelligible screaming

[jovial kestrel]

The bot destroys those who use all caps anyway.

[simple hinge]

I noticed.

[vocal shard]

Quack

[fallow lotus]

time use smol caps

[jovial kestrel]

owned

[sharp rose]

People have been talking about modding at some point in the last 36 hours? Hadnt noticed 😛

[simple hinge]

How many is too many?

[vocal shard]

caps caps caps TwT

[fallow lotus]

I’ᴅ ʙᴇ sᴜʀᴘʀɪsᴇᴅ ɪғ ᴛʜɪs ᴡᴀs ᴘɪᴄᴋᴇᴅ ᴜᴘ

[jovial kestrel]

I honestly have no idea.

[fallow lotus]

Yeah it isn’t lovely smol caps

[vocal shard]

Moo.

[sharp rose]

It's been said and heard literally thousands of times, further iteration at this point is just beating a dead horse. Message received, thank you. 😛

[wide cove]

literally every banwave has been met with the same comments about mods because every time the same things keep happening and they feel their complaints are being completely ignored

[vocal shard]

Meow

[rancid trellis]

yo, you can mod?

[frail magnet]

for you. I gtg eat

[vocal shard]

Chirp.

[rancid trellis]

[vocal shard]

simp.

[vocal shard]

Woof

[rancid jewel]

don't do that. against tos.

[vocal shard]

Sssssss (snake)

[rancid trellis]

That was a joke. Not like i plan on playing this game much anyway.

[simple hinge]

@sharp rose last request - slap whoever opted for the hard line stance and tell them to stop it. I condone this physical violence.

[vocal shard]

Glub glub

[rancid jewel]

damn, flew right past my head.
well played lol

[vocal shard]

CAW

[wraith schooner]

Hey everyone.. i'm searching for a vr head set for 3 months and to be real i'm very scared from it , i dont know what to buy , like i saw the vr head set Oculus Quest 2 and some guys say its good and some guys say its bad can you tell me what did you buy and help me with it ?

[rancid trellis]

ah yes, i didnt see the past 36 hours about modding. Kek.

[sharp rose]

I cannot actually slap anyone, but I will leave very salty memes in their inbox every hour on the hour, until they respond. ❤️

[rancid jewel]

i use a quest with a link cable

[vocal shard]

Neighhhh

[vocal shard]

Slap me devvy~

[vocal shard]

Cricket cricket

[vocal shard]

Whale noises

[wraith schooner]

ok thanks

[vocal shard]

Alligator noises

[vocal shard]

Whatever tf the fox says

[gleaming hill]

ribbit

[wraith schooner]

Another thing you nee to sign in your facebook or something like that cause in the Oculus 2 you need facebbok and phone app

[vocal shard]

Hamster noises

furries 🤔

[vocal shard]

Squeak squeak

[vocal shard]

Sjbdjsndbskbsjd

[vocal shard]

Nah i rather log out of life than be one

@vocal shard

Oop

[wraith schooner]

and the Original Vive its full body?

[vocal shard]

cunt (parrot)

Lmfaooo

Not true

Better 😎

Its ass but if you have a connect laying around and you're broke why not try it

[vocal shard]

I won the battle

[vocal shard]

Only cause I’m sleepy >.> I’m taking a dang nap .__.

[wraith schooner]

so i think i will buy the Oculus cause its so crazy its cost 1,127.20 $ [not the oculus] and in my country its like 3730 shekels [shekels its israel's currency]

[vocal shard]

Mhm, driver 4 vr with a connection to usb and power supply adapter.

[vocal shard]

Then stop texting and go nap baka

[wraith schooner]

My family moved there

[simple wyvern]

Wouldn't recommend anything more than the oculus to start honestly. Can always resell if you wanna upgrade

[vocal shard]

ಠ_ಠ finee

[vocal shard]

Good

[wraith schooner]

I did buy it on Ebay and i got garlic press

[simple wyvern]

Lmao what

[wraith schooner]

Of course my parents asked for the refund

[vocal shard]

Fuck it buy $300 worth of fullbody tracking just to still play sitting down

[simple wyvern]

Lmao facts

[wraith schooner]

Its crazy as fuck that's why i said i;m scared

[vocal shard]

Garlic bread for tracking? 😳

[rancid jewel]

people spending 300$ usd for fbt to lay down without knowing that you can lay down without fbt by opening the big menu, walking a little bit away, then actually laying down.

shaking my head my head

[wraith schooner]

You got shocket so much xd

[vocal shard]

If you dont use full body to kick others gtfo rn

[simple wyvern]

I'd love to have it but not really worth it if you are just trying to discover vr

[vocal shard]

Yeah basically, it's just a flex till theres good good use for it

[rancid jewel]

my friend once used tissue boxes for fbt

[simple hinge]

If you know you want full body, go for Vive or Index from the getgo. Everything else is a workaround at best.

[vocal shard]

I use ping pong balls rn 😳

[simple wyvern]

I'd have holes in my walls if I had full body

[frail magnet]

Im backie uwu

[vocal shard]

Wheres my share

[frail magnet]

Uhhh

[simple hinge]

Vive trackers are the gold standard for FBT, everything else is distant second for now - unless you go into really expensive mocap suits that VRC doesn't ||officially|| support

[frail magnet]

i can feed you like a bird

[simple wyvern]

Yuck

[jovial kestrel]

[frail magnet]

[sharp rose]

sometimes i think i disappoint atiash at least once every day

[simple hinge]

I don't get why people worry so much about putting 4 holes in their wall to hang their lighthouses. Never heard of spackle?

[sharp rose]

Eh, depends where they live, or if they have landlords. Some landlords dont like holes. :/

[simple hinge]

What the landlord doesn't know...

[jovial kestrel]

It's a daily quest.

[covert chasm]

i disappoint atiash any time i play any video game

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

Basically throw up on my mouth? Ok I'll be there in 5

[simple wyvern]

Get help sir

[coarse blaze]

that's how birds feed tho

[vocal shard]

That do be nature doe

[frail magnet]

[vocal shard]

Do you even play vrc in vr

[coarse blaze]

wtf drututt viewer

[frail magnet]

Maybe soon gotta save money

[vocal shard]

Hehe imagine not being in vr

[frail magnet]

[vocal shard]

I tried vrc because of a friend, I was on desktop. Oh god then the addiction started.....

[vocal shard]

Do you have a vr capable pc tho

[frail magnet]

Prob not ngl seeing as buying this exact one wasnt my choice and my moms a karen

[vocal shard]

Then I'd recommend getting the quest two. Not the best but it's great for getting into vr

[vocal shard]

no.

[simple hinge]

Quest 2 is both standalone and PCVR. If your comp isn't VR ready (yet), it's a good choice.

Just know that Zuckerburg owns your soul if you use it

[gleaming hill]

Quest 1 is what I started with. I used Link with it once I could, then upgraded to Valve Index

[frail magnet]

I plan on getting a new pc when i move in with my bf so like maybe by then

[vocal shard]

Well you better plan to make sure you have enough money left for a vr headset.

[sharp rose]

wait a minute

people play VRC in VR?!

what am i doing with my life

[distant rampart]

what's vr

[frail magnet]

[gleaming hill]

I do both

[distant rampart]

I only do full dives atm

[foggy belfry]

Vrchat got issues I keep getting my avatar changed when I go to social to invite my friends

[twin river]

❤️

[simple wyvern]

Huh how

[gleaming hill]

pog on a log

[distant rampart]

is vr a form of full dive?

[sharp rose]

idk what full dive is and im too afraid to ask

[distant rampart]

🔫 Give me your money.

[coarse blaze]

ever seen sword art online or heard of it

[sharp rose]

ye

[torn cypress]

Hello everyone

[coarse blaze]

basically the neurolink thing (or so I assume at least)

[simple wyvern]

Too much SAO lol

[sharp rose]

ooooh awesome 😄

kinda like deckers from Shadowrun.

[distant rampart]

LMAO Imagine if that ever did get that real, and people played in desktop while you're in full dive.

[simple wyvern]

Watching it literally as we speak

[blazing meadow]

smh

[coarse blaze]

it's possible, but I cannot imagine what a crasher would feel like in full dive

[distant rampart]

It would prob just kick you out of the dive.

[simple wyvern]

I'm fully immersed and they don't even limbs. Shame

[coarse blaze]

unless VRChat suddenly becomes evil and does the same thing SAO did

[distant rampart]

Unless ur brain freezes.

[blazing meadow]

this is vrchat not vr chat

[distant rampart]

april first: "BTw guys we removed logging out on full dive kits have fun"

[simple wyvern]

Just know I'm not Frontline. I'll be the old fisherman

[blazing meadow]

I cant believe yall

[distant rampart]

Just imagine mod dealers in vr "Pssst kid I got some illegal mods" 🕵️

[coarse blaze]

lmfao

[jovial kestrel]

Opening up a trenchcoat full of USB sticks

[coarse blaze]

think we're gonna have USB when neurolink will be a thing?

[distant rampart]

"You want that 2x sensory overload patch?"

[coarse blaze]

that sounds so 18+able

[jovial kestrel]

I imagine it like the merchant from RE:4

[sharp rose]

the RE4 merchant was sus af

[blazing meadow]

If you add a bootable os to a usb you can access files on a computer if you dont have the password

[coarse blaze]

in VRChat it would be more like "you want that crash immunity?"

[sharp rose]

^^ accurate portrayal of merchant

[blazing meadow]

also if someone saved there password on a computer you have access to you can use inspect element to read it

[distant rampart]

We need a update to real life tbh.

[blazing meadow]

also 2+2=349

[distant rampart]

People die and don't respawn.

[jovial kestrel]

"Listen kid, you think the safety settings keep you safe? Just wait until you try this shit"

[coarse blaze]

that's just a feature

[sharp rose]

irlOS is outdated and buggy, i want a refund

[jovial kestrel]

Respawn time is just really long actually.

[coarse blaze]

anything that's not fun is a feature and anything that's fun is a bug, the classic rule in most games, especially ones owned by tencent

[blazing meadow]

Im confused

[distant rampart]

If fulldive was ever possible, I am so expecting people to try and mod it, but I'd be more afraid of that cause thats directly connected to my brain.

[coarse blaze]

if anything it'd be actually illegal to do so

[distant rampart]

They could spy on all my hidden folders :(

[coarse blaze]

because it would violate human rights (I'd assume there'd be human rights linked to neurolink)

[jovial kestrel]

Can you imagine that someone just hacks into your brain and re-plays bad memories or something

Instead of crashing you just can't get a bad song out of your head

[coarse blaze]

what if it's already replaying, every day

[jovial kestrel]

Literally

[distant rampart]

"Tampering with Conciousness.exe illegally"

[sharp rose]

brain spyware when

[jovial kestrel]

[blazing meadow]

called earbuds

[rancid jewel]

hehehe imma hack your head and stream that one time you shat your pants in class

[blazing meadow]

that are glued to you

[sharp rose]

in slowmo

[coarse blaze]

thank god I never shat my pants in class

but I have come to class with shadded pants cause I was too embarrassed to skip class for such a reason

[rancid jewel]

what

[distant rampart]

Imagine if someone just modded your brain so you'd speak the exact opposite intent, or make your conciousness really slow.

[jovial kestrel]

A full-dive mod that forces you to dab when you hear a certain word.

[coarse blaze]

isn't that just being bipolar

[rancid jewel]

yeah lemme just mod my body to be able to noclip through shit irl

[distant rampart]

LMAO

[wide cove]

i think i just pushed the "hand colliders" canny post over the 1.5k mark without realizing it mustve been at exactly 1499

[blazing meadow]

You dont die of old age you die of mutations or disease

[distant rampart]

When you die: "Level Completed" Creative mode activated

[coarse blaze]

spectator mode*

[simple wyvern]

Lmfao

[rancid jewel]

time to build houses

[wide cove]

id hack my own brain to make my consciousness really fast smh

[distant rampart]

Honestly real life might just be buggy, they prob forgot to make hardcore mode toggle-able.

[coarse blaze]

just /gamemode 3 IRL

[jovial kestrel]

I'd rather use creative mode to cook minute rice in 58 seconds.

[distant rampart]

Everyone would prob be very slow for you then, you'd be thinking faster than the world itself lmao.

[blazing meadow]

Go you your local store and say /e free for free things

[rancid jewel]

plugs keyboard into wall and types "/fly"
house starts to levitate

[wide cove]

exactly, its kinda like having way too much caffeine and you get easily impatient with things

[blazing meadow]

/kill @e

the end is near

[coarse blaze]

I'd build a memorial for you if you did that

[simple wyvern]

You'd be in creative mode so you could do that too

[rancid jewel]

/give WeeWDiedrich minecraft:diamond 64

[wide cove]

and i can personally attest that once you have a little too much caffeine your patience declines drastically

[blazing meadow]

Kill everyone?

[coarse blaze]

yeah, just thanos snap the world multiple times until the final 1 gets snapped out as well

[blazing meadow]

Ok

[coarse blaze]

russian roulette thanos snap

[jovial kestrel]

Does the thanos snap round up or down on odd numbers

[coarse blaze]

just leaves half a body on a random person

[blazing meadow]

I should take over the world with Oreos

[distant rampart]

know what would be funny

[rancid jewel]

plugs keyboard into car
proceeds to use WASD for controls

[jovial kestrel]

Ah that's how we got the show Two and a half men.

I get it now

[distant rampart]

Reverse math in its entirely to mean the opposite of itself, watch reality fall apart.

[blazing meadow]

When I get old I would like to die of Oreo

[coarse blaze]

btw @jovial kestrel did you purposely name yourself like that or is it just a coincidence that I want to keep calling you atiesh really badly

[vocal shard]

Technically that's already possible

[jovial kestrel]

It's a huge coincidence. Basically before I had even played WoW or knew anything about it, I picked this name to start WoW with.

[blazing meadow]

smh you pinged a mod. I sentence you to 407 Oreos. jk

[coarse blaze]

that's a cute coincidence

[coarse blaze]

are you waiting for a classic expansion btw

[jovial kestrel]

MoP classic.

[blazing meadow]

The US goverment should execute people with Oreos

[coarse blaze]

ew, wotlk/cata waiting room here

[simple wyvern]

Godzilla vs Kong time. Be back later yall

[jovial kestrel]

I'm only waiting for mop because I miss stance dance Demonology warlocks.

I'd also do wotlk

[coarse blaze]

though honestly I think when the wotlk xpac hits, I will play thru all of the expansions just to know what the others are like, cause I've only played retail in legion (I finally was 16+ and could have my credit card)

I play WoW for 11 years and 10 of them were in wotlk (molten/warmane mostly) and 1 in cata :(

had nobody to play retail with so it's boring, even now I'm sitting in a private cata server

[sharp rose]

i have a mop in a closet

[coarse blaze]

though I'm personally a frost dk main

[jovial kestrel]

[coarse blaze]

dual wielding is too fun

[hidden sigil]

think vrchat is going to have april fools prank?

[sharp rose]

also - legion was good, idc what anyone says, fite meh >:U

[sharp rose]

We are not, sorry to say.

[coarse blaze]

I liked legion because it felt like a change from the usual past WoW

[minor parrot]

hmmm

[jovial kestrel]

I fully agree with you Sach. The only thing I hated was Demonhunters taking meta from warlocks.

The rest was cash.

[coarse blaze]

I just found it kinda boring and painful to do all the grind from mythic 1 to mythic 17 + the powercreep was so strong that solo was just too boring

[sharp rose]

that was pretty unchill, and i say that as someone who loves DH and locks both tbh

[hidden sigil]

awh, it would be really funny if you did something small like replacing the loading screen text "vrchat now supports voice commands" 😳

[sharp rose]

dotlock fo lyfe

agonyyyyyyy~~~

[coarse blaze]

did you play FFXIV @jovial kestrel

[jovial kestrel]

I tried to.

[coarse blaze]

why tried, what happen

[hidden sigil]

when i played wow i played a hunter so i can press 3 buttons over and over again during raids and dungeons :^)

[coarse blaze]

also considering how chill it is now maybe tone down the slowmode to 5s? :(

[sharp rose]

Soon™

[jovial kestrel]

The 2.5 second GCD and pre-nerf ARR storyline made the game way too slow.

I just couldn't stay interested

[coarse blaze]

ah yeah, the leveling up is the bad part about FFXIV gotta admit

thank god I have a friend to paly with through it, HW+ story actually got more interesting and I beared through it

I have progged most of shadowbringers and tried to prog the new ultimate and realised how much I love FFXIV, but at the same time raiding became like a chore cause we were casual lol

[uneven escarp]

Thank you for a step in the right direction VRChat

[coarse blaze]

the raiding in FFXIV is what kept me playing it, I do recommend trying to get into FFXIV again if you enjoy raiding

the 2.5 GCD doesn't feel bad if you play class with a lot of ogcds

Like a Machinist for example who literally doubleweaves almost every GCD

[twin river]

Thank you ❤️

[sharp rose]

no u

wait what

[coarse blaze]

playing WoW right now even actually what I miss is the 2.5s GCD 🤔

[twin river]

o3o

Reverse UNO card

[sharp rose]

😮

[jovial kestrel]

I just raidlog for mythic anyway, and play OSRS at any other time.

[rose timber]

Please don't say it this way or we'll have to take back the take back

[sharp rose]

reverse card is hax >:U

[jovial kestrel]

[twin river]

No one won, and nothing is set in stone. Keep that in mind.

[coarse blaze]

you replied to the wrong comment :^)

[main fern]

Calm your horses its just a comment

[jovial kestrel]

[copper moat]

might be april fool joke lul

[sharp saddle]

Well then. Looks like a 36-hour conversation turned out nicely.

[rose timber]

I said please

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah I'm glad it had a neutral/positive outcome.

[hollow sluice]

Yes Vrchat, Thank you. This is all I have asked for. Communication. I dont support mods, but the people making them sure have some good ideas, I am very happy that you finally decided to start communicating with them to improve the game.

[coarse blaze]

seriously though I dare say that mythic raids were inspired by FFXIV especially because of FF's rise, if you enjoyed it, bear through the leveling and you'll realise how fun it actually is

[vale pecan]

This is all anyone in the modding community wanted.

[ivory thunder]

@covert chasm About time. Thank-you

[coarse blaze]

you don't have to spend 2 hours clearing the instance to kill bosses for 20 minutes as well

[sharp rose]

being polite? reported! ...to...uh

[sharp saddle]

To the ethics board or.. committee!

[sharp rose]

Can assure you, it is not an april fool's joke.

[thorn sierra]

industrial craft 2

[distant juniper]

Thank you so much 🤗

[chrome osprey]

[coral temple]

i just spent like 2 hours going through the canny looking at feature requests, and im surprised some of the QoL features are still marked as planned 3 years later

[vale pecan]

This is all anyone wanted. Transparency and communication. Now, when's tupper going to meme around and say "I read this"

[main fern]

Thank God

[vapid storm]

My brain hurts

[coarse blaze]

what if what you said right now is an april fool's joke

[split hamlet]

i am tup tup simp officially

[twin river]

pat pat

[sharp rose]

that'd be meta af

[lost spoke]

Well, this is an interesting turn of events indeed. Let's see what comes next.

[covert chasm]

@simple hinge sure thing

[simple hinge]

;)

[vocal shard]

That announcement? chefs kiss good job.

[orchid hull]

Interesting writeup 🤔 I definitely get it and hope that a lot of good comes from these discussions.

[main fern]

I hope the conversations between vrchat and the modders go smoothly

[obtuse echo]

vrchat needs a mod workshop

[coarse blaze]

if publics become playable again I might just boot up vrchat again

[vocal shard]

oh hi im allowed now

[orchid hull]

Anything that can be done to make VRChat an even better platform is A+++ in my book.

[coarse blaze]

cause having no friends made me realise how much I depended on them to play the game lol

[blissful meadow]

what if people just use mods to close the game properly 🗿

[rancid jewel]

gaming

[coral temple]

the game does close properly?

[vocal shard]

[boreal creek]

of course when the subs start droppin

[blissful meadow]

it crashes each time you close it @coral temple

[coarse grove]

The good ending.

[blissful meadow]

🗿

[simple wyvern]

Yeah it really isn't fun without a couple ppl to start with

[vale pecan]

The game inherets a Unity-based bug in which some situations cause the game to hang instead of closing gracefully. A mod was created which fixed this bug in all unity games.

[vocal shard]

"We're in the endgame now"

[main fern]

Vrchat would be an absolute heaven if certain good mods became actual updates

[coral temple]

not for me. i just click close and it closes

[sharp heron]

This is a very somber victory. ..But seriously, if VRChat actually looked at the mods and imported them into the game (and gave proper credit, without a paywall), I'm pretty sure both sides would get along.

[simple wyvern]

Uh oh mod talk again

[coral temple]

from looking at the canny for 2 hours straight, most mod features are really highly rated under feature requests

[blissful meadow]

🗿

[silver kettle]

I appreciate the official statement, and look forward to discussion with all of you. Thank you for being good about this ❤️

[grand ember]

❤️ This is a good step

[coarse blaze]

we used to go into publics for fun and to meet ppl, but in 2018 I actually used to go to penthouse at night alone and just sit there afk waiting for sm1 to talk to and now that's not exactly doable the same way

[vocal shard]

I greatly appreciate the news. Thanks vrchat ❤️

[fallow lotus]

Same here!

[past dagger]

This reminds me of the time rockstar sued single player modding tools and everyone did a review bomb until they reverted it

[vocal shard]

^

Thank you for doing the right thing Tupper

[coarse blaze]

I'm still waiting for penthouse's comeback :(

[keen shadow]

W

[raw ivy]

Thank you Tupper! ❤️

[left wave]

hold on i’m just getting here, what happened

[jovial kestrel]

#announcements

[distant juniper]

Ditto

[sharp rose]

Atiash banned me for trolling 😦

also that

[jovial kestrel]

Wtf why are you back then

[sharp rose]

<_<;

[vocal shard]

[jovial kestrel]

[twin river]

[sharp rose]

Moderation team is looking into that, yes.

[simple wyvern]

Great job on the announcement staff

[tough ether]

lets goooo ❤️

[pulsar knot]

well that statement is a nice thing to see. Hopefully something comes of it.

[unreal verge]

This announcement looks nice, didn't expected that

[wanton kelp]

poggers good job VRC

[sharp rose]

Also on that note - if you have a ticket and it didnt get a response, poke it or send another, pls

[coarse blaze]

jamie isn't involved in that at all

[vocal shard]

Wait, VRC does care about their community? woah my gawd bekeee this game might actually become great again

[coral temple]

oh i just read the announcement; working with the modding community to make mod features real features directly integrated into the game is only a good thing. nothing is better than listening directly to the community to add features which make the game run better and make life just that bit easier

[vocal shard]

Eh... I'm just a discord volunteer. I have no information to the official mod decisions

[rapid laurel]

finally you guys talk some fucking sense, thank you

[sharp rose]

hm...is Mattchu your username? I can try and ask someone over there about it

[hollow sluice]

oh shit sorry, I meant to reply to a dev
sorry for that

[winged ermine]

Thank you @covert chasm; Hopefully this can be a win for a common sense approach moving forward.

[rancid jewel]

nice announcement

[red oasis]

so vrchat steam workshop when 🙂

[sharp rose]

DM it pls, not here in chat

[vocal shard]

this was a good move on their part. alo of people are gonna be praising htem and earn some good will points. well played.

[gleaming kraken]

gonna be honest i was not expecting this. hopefully this chat can now go back to being a bit more calm

[fresh lotus]

im honestly excited for the future

[left wave]

same

[wraith lark]

yay

[sharp mica]

huzzah! someone listened to my plea for transparency! (I'm sure I wasn't the only one)

[vapid storm]

⬆️

[sharp rose]

Nope, now I'm gonna complain about how Cait Sith was the worst FF7 character ever. Even worse than Yuffie.

[coral temple]

what i got from the announcement is that devs gonna talk to mod creators to try and make mod features real features to improve QoL, but using mods is still a big fat dislike

[twin river]

Exactly this. I know I've already said it, but thank you.

[wraith lark]

No thank you for being here to make it all possible

[unreal verge]

You did understand correctly

[vocal shard]

i believe they did this becuase of the insane backlash they got over it and not just in this discord but others as well. its a risky PR move. but if they are honest about opeing talks with those folks then good on them for doing the right thing

[coral temple]

my tiny brain did something right pog

[chrome badger]

Vrc devs getting some common sense? Pog

[unreal verge]

I guess that'll happen. People are suddenly happy in all servers i'm in

[steady horizon]

Banning the creator of the melonloader from vrchat? ok.

[past temple]

"We're sorry"

[pulsar knot]

whoa, I think we're gonna need another official statement regarding this take

[vocal shard]

i dont think its disingenuious. they recognized many of the modders out there are good folks just trying to help fix the game and thye do it for free on top of it all.

[main fern]

I feel like the massive conversation yesterday might have helped the devs change their mind at least a bit

[gleaming kraken]

well i wish them good luck on actually trying to implement some of those fixes. i have my doubts that many of them were written super well and will work flawlessly once integrated in. either way still neat i guess.

[jovial kestrel]

Hopefully standing as evidence to the masses that the devs do indeed listen.

[covert chasm]

That's the plan! I just don't want people going around saying "modded clients are OK now". That's not what we're saying.

I also realize that's a logical contradiction to what we've said, but.. this is complicated, ok?

Give it time, we'll figure something out.

[pulsar knot]

yeah, we get it

[steady horizon]

Yea

[ivory thunder]

That was all we were asking, is that they have some sort of voice or discussion, and to be transparent with us, the community. When people just echo "yOu BrOkE tOs" doesnt help.

[lethal totem]

glad they seemed to going back on this. i hope that instead of banning non malicious modding users they focus on modders who actually do harm

[unreal verge]

That's good that they work together then, so both can improve each other :)

[pulsar knot]

hopefully vrc as a whole is made better for it all

[distant rampart]

This is a huge step in the right direction.. @sharp rose My offer still stands if you need a bit of help as well. 🙏

[coral temple]

dw tup, we get it. clients still bad but working with community good :D

[rose inlet]

oh I thought this was a april 1st thing

[steady horizon]

Tho does that mean the creator of the melonloader is unbanned? They cant help that their stuff is used for vrchat since it is used for other unity games. People using it for Vrchat is something they can't moderate.

[past cipher]

I keep reading "mods" as "moderators" and I'm confused on an hourly basis why moderators were banned before realizing what was happening

[pulsar knot]

don't you even I swear

[vocal shard]

I'm banned?

[vestal delta]

Now that you mention it

[chrome badger]

Focus on blocking the actual malicious one, funny enough some use the mods to actual block malicious shit and crashers

[unreal verge]

It's not april 1 in USA right now? Or?

[tender spear]

Clients = Poop
Working with Client makers to add heavily requested features into the game = Good

[simple wyvern]

Not yet

[honest forge]

april fools

[wraith lark]

I know, it's sad, but you're gonna have to leave, i'm sorry it had to end like this

[sage steeple]

i say do no harm. if the clients don't hurt no one, no point in throwing a hissy fit about it

[unreal verge]

Discord is coming with something in a few hours

[vale pecan]

The inflammatory defenders on both sides made the entire conversation less productive. However, it has finally reached a break point, and things seem to be looking up. The conversation isn't over at all, but it has become far more significant, and far more impactful. This discussion could have a lasting impact on the game as a whole, and it's seeming to be for the better. I wish both VRChat and the modders great things to come in these talks.

[covert chasm]

We take action against malicious software and malicious actors as often as we can. They're just not as visible.

[ivory thunder]

thank-you again for realizing that the Moderation team directed by whomever, realized that it was stupid to ban those people, and echo "you broke TOS" when they could have a dialog to help with fixes.

[empty sierra]

anybody here know where to find animal crossing avatars for quest

[vocal shard]

[wraith lark]

what kind of something?

[hollow sluice]

all I needed to hear was that you guys want to talk to modders about improving the game. Thats all I could ever ask for.

[tough lance]

^

[unreal verge]

Idk, they twittered about april fools. And they usually make something every year

[wraith lark]

😭

[lethal totem]

will users of non malicious mod and non malicious mod creators still be banned in the future?

[gleaming kraken]

for april fools they should just announce a ps5 vr port of vrchat

[covert chasm]

We would like to reiterate that this is not a statement that VRChat is permitting modification of the client. Doing so is still a violation of the Terms of Service and may result in moderation on the VRChat platform.

That's from the announcement.

[fierce nymph]

Question, if code is taken from a mod and adapted for use in the game, will the original devs of the code be credited at all?

[vale pecan]

They stated that yes, it is still bannable. However, the situation has become more complicated than point and shoot, basically, is my understanding.

[wraith lark]

you mean the microsoft acquisition video on youtube?

[unreal verge]

The creators can publish their mods again and stuff but nothing in the tos will change

[lethal totem]

thats why im confused, the mod creators were unbanned it says but yet its still a bannable offense?

[hollow sluice]

probably. the statement doesnt talk about that. The statement talks about improving the vanilla game with the knowledge that the modders have. Hopefully this will make mods less necessary anyways

[covert chasm]

If it is done, it would be done so in a way adherent to the license on the software/code in question.

[distant rampart]

Definitely a step for a better direction to the more peaceful side of modding, though regardless of TOS, 🙏 I will pray for this success.

[orchid raptor]

@covert chasm I personally think clients with malicious features should still be flagged / banned, or the creators need to be talked to to remove said features if they want their client usable.

[main fern]

woops wrong reply

[charred drum]

I fully support banning malicious mods and users

[unreal verge]

uh what video?

[covert chasm]

You can see all of the times we've done that so far here: https://vrchat.com/legal/attribution

[vocal shard]

we all do

[sharp rose]

Modders yes, mods no. But keep in mind this is still a very early thing, talks havent even started yet. Where we go from here is a bit fuzzier, s'why we're going to have those convos.

[storm pilot]

@uncut flameteam ^^

[distant rampart]

Same, I don't care for malicious modders.

[fierce nymph]

Thats excellent to hear. Thank you for answering

[wraith lark]

it is still bannable, but the creators are allowed to reupload them and are unbanned themselves

[simple hinge]

Mods worth using ought to be FOSS licensed anyway. Don't trust code you can't review unless you have somebody to sue.

[fair axle]

when are we getting rollback netcode for VRchat?

[vocal shard]

you should look at this from outside the box and see that there is no reason to ban non malicious modifications to the game youre just wasting your time

[vale pecan]

Wait, you guys use Scruffy? That's extremely pog, I recommended that tool to a friend trying to optimize their game a while back

[main fern]

If you keep the mods to yourself and don't use them with or on others then you are going to be more on the safer side

[rose inlet]

well there is a sdk for worlds, sdk for avatars why not a client sdk?

[gleaming hill]

pog on a log

[arctic elm]

That is exactly the statement I was looking forward to seeing. I think I can speak on behalf of most members of the community that we appreciate the transparency and keeping us updated.

[covert chasm]

We don't use @still lark . They're a person. Don't use people.

[vocal shard]

Oh yeah, trust me everyone supports banning of actual malicious users and their software. Much of the history to VRChat modding has been in defense against malicious software. For example before the Unity 2018 update malicious users could get your IP - modders fixed that long before VRChat did. Along with fixing various crashers.

[covert chasm]

We do use their software in our SDK though!

[gleaming hill]

Good. Using people is what Amazon does.

[wraith lark]

that's just a rude thing to do, why would someone think like that smh

[lethal totem]

that feels contradictory to me? so modders wont be banned but the mods itself will be?

[still lark]

LMAO

[sage steeple]

so don't mod the game, got it ;)

[coarse blaze]

the modders actually contribute to the community, the people who use mods don't
that's how I'd like to think

[distant juniper]

Scruffy does make for a good headpat target tho

[covert chasm]

As noted previously:

That's the plan! I just don't want people going around saying "modded clients are OK now". That's not what we're saying.

I also realize that's a logical contradiction to what we've said, but.. this is complicated, ok?
Give it time, we'll figure something out.

[sick barn]

Send some secret agents to the various furry worlds and you will find tons of malicious users to take action against, we get bad actors almost constantly from crashers to racists.

[wraith lark]

lets call it alpha testing?

[coarse blaze]

mmm, no not exactly

[lethal totem]

man this is really confusing lol

[wraith lark]

yes it is very confusing

[coarse blaze]

it's sort of like governments hiring hackers to help them with investigations and security

[sage steeple]

tbh its only against the rules if you get caught, and if you got caught, you were doing something stupid

[vale pecan]

headpats Ya got yourself some sharp code there. Ha. Get it? Cause? Heh... nevermind...

[main fern]

Hopefully talks are going to happen with the modders and we can make this less confusing and a lot more improved

[sage steeple]

😎

[iron lotus]

Thank you, VR Pill, Tupper, Ron, and the entire team for acknowledging your misstep. I don't think anyone expected that. This is huge, and anyone who doesn't realize that is fooling themselves. This has given me new hope for the further development and future of VRChat in general. You guys continue to impress me with your ability to adapt in this ever-changing metaverse landscape. Keep it up! Please keep working on this VERY delicate issue to the best of your ability.

Much love, nirvana

[covert chasm]

If you're a VRChat user, nothing has changed. Using a modification to the client can and will get you moderated.

[wraith lark]

JUST LIKE ROBBING A BANK!!! I love how you think ❤️

[coarse blaze]

governments and police tend to hire hackers to help them even though hacking is illegal, it's the same thing here, they talk to modders to ask for their help and co-exist, but they don't approve the use of mods (yet)

[sharp rose]

Modders - the player, the person - is not currently what we're focused on. Mods are. For now at least, people should still be able to enjoy the service. Mods - the thing we're all talking about - is a bit up in the air, and we're working on that.

also what tupper said.

because TOS is still a thing. 😛

[lethal totem]

alright

[main fern]

Facebook has payed people for finding bugs in their code too even

[pearl kraken]

For real, thank you @covert chasm and the team for listening

[vocal shard]

people fix the game by breaking tos?

[charred drum]

I'm sure you've discussed this, but maybe an official mod trusting or partnership process is possible

[sharp rose]

That's a vague statement with an equally vague answer: iunno?

[tender spear]

I think a nice open dialogue with mod creators is great for the community, I know some people genuinely just use them for convenience sake, like searching up avatars and stuff. It should hopefully mean that eventually there will be a point where modded clients won't need to be used as much at all, and the people who do are just more likely to be the malicious users, and allows for a more enjoyable platform for everyone. ❤️

[vale pecan]

Rockstar paid a modder $10,000 for fixing their loading time issue on GTA V, despite it being SO against TOS that they SUED the creator of OpenIV.

[wraith lark]

that's a bit far don't you think?
Edit: the message's gone now

[vocal shard]

i was being sarcastic its not a question its a fact

[sharp rose]

But... you had a question mark

[sage steeple]

i mean tbh people who use mods passively never get banned. they are just chill people who want more out of the game. its the dumb people who crash and fly in front of everyone who get banned because they are acting dumb. Just do what you want and don't be stupid or an asshole and you can get far in both VRC and life 😎

[lethal totem]

^

[vocal shard]

"i was being sarcastic" read this

[vocal shard]

That's more of fixing an active bug in a game vs creating an alternative to a game using a games assets if I recall.

[lethal totem]

banning people who use mods just for better features should absolutely not be banned for any reason relating to that

[sage steeple]

yee

[hollow sluice]

a lot of people have told me in the past that users got banned for reporting exploits to the devs. I find this super hard to believe.

[sharp rose]

And I'm saying sarcasm doesnt always translate well in text. :p

[distant rampart]

If things go well, we can finally take the shift off the passive modders and focus more on the real modding threats, maybe even stop them better with cooperation.

[coarse rock]

Yess, this would be great

[north hedge]

I'm crossing my finger this movement could lead to much more quality of life changes implemented in game natively, rather than through a client. A lot of those mods are, to put it lightly, fixes for the game in it's current state. Like the ability to disable/enable dynamic bones in Safety settings. Here's to hoping how this unfolds

[wraith lark]

if it did i think alot less people would hate me lol

[vocal shard]

thats just just ignoring the blatantly obvious facts

[sharp rose]

big same, lol

[coarse blaze]

I jsut wonder if the devs would be willing enough to allow the actually good modders into the source code

[simple wyvern]

What if it really is an April fools joke lmao

[distant rampart]

I don't imagine they'd allow them into the source.

[vocal shard]

lol

[vocal shard]

i wish

[north hedge]

It's not April in America yet

[sharp rose]

It isnt.

[jovial kestrel]

Probably not.

[gleaming kraken]

that sounds like a recipe for possible disaster

[distant rampart]

Even I can agree that would be too risky

[main fern]

Whether it's mod integrations or mod partnerships I would be extremely happy regardless

[jolly ether]

"we care, we swear" would be a pretty dark april fools joke... I like it

[split lotus]

That's what I am hoping for. My work hired one of our reseller's programmers to integrate their work into our core product, and literally gave us a big boost in sales. It is equivalent to VRChat winning more people.

[simple hinge]

I hope the contradictory stance right now is a transition period towards a vrchat that embraces user generated features like it does user generated content

[coarse blaze]

I wouldn't give it to everyone, only to very trusted ones

[simple wyvern]

That's what you'd say if it was one 🤔

[sharp rose]

galaxy-brain prank

[coarse blaze]

even though they already have bad experience from before steam days (which is why mods exist in the first place, or so I was told the story by a dev)

[gleaming kraken]

yeah but history has shown that some of the worst people that do the most damage are the ones that made themselves look most trusted.

[stray leaf]

Well, at least it seems everyone is happy now I suppose.

[pale plinth]

People who are trusted now could go off the rails later and publish the code online.

[coarse blaze]

so I imagine they don't want the same mistake happen again

[covert chasm]

that.. isn't really true

[jovial kestrel]

That's like filling a fire extinguisher with gasoline at this point.

[pale plinth]

Unless they are hired and contracted with NDA then they shouldn't ever share the source code lol

[quiet prawn]

Well, I feel there is going to be massive regret from this about face. It sends far too many mixed messages. But thats my opinion.

[sharp rose]

look Ati, I never said I was good at this

[night slate]

i agree! tho chances are it will be behind some sort of paywall :p

[vale pecan]

GOod point. Mod Jed from RUnescape is a great example

[north hedge]

When all is said and done, having contributions to update and fix the game would be most wel- Click Click hello? crap, Audio bug, relogging

[coarse blaze]

well, I was told that a guy who originally sort of "Created" the mods basically became crazy in the head and decided to go against vrchat and released the mod to public or sth? fuck now I don't remember the story well enough to actually talk about it

[split lotus]

Open source Social Platform game? Yes?

[carmine nebula]

Good job devs, went Pikachu shock when reading the announcements. Very very nice~

[covert chasm]

the truth is a lot more boring sadly

[coarse blaze]

but am I on the right track at least?

[covert chasm]

nope

[wraith lark]

at least it's fun while it happens!

[still lark]

LOL

[primal dragon]

Honestly, if you guys can fix the whole optimization thing somehow, I'd have no complaints. I shouldn't have 20fps with 30% gpu usage -_-

[coarse blaze]

finish me off then, gib me the truth :(

[tame island]

I think it's better to show flexibility than be bull-headed. Could see where changing opinion could cause problems, but vrc is pr good about still puttin its foot down when it matters so i aint too worried about it

[jovial kestrel]

Generally when people say "told by dev/former dev", their point doesn't really stand.

[vocal shard]

Have to understand that people make up a lot of stuff in vrchat. I've heard some absolutely crazy stories that never ever happened lmao.

[hollow sluice]

on another note, How do you guys handle longer tails on quest avatars? I finally wanna make my avatars quest compatible but dynamic bones are out of the question.

[vocal shard]

Thank you for that announcement, it made me very happy.

[tame island]

animations!!

[sharp rose]

Fine, you want the truth? >:U

You guys are important to us. So there. Ha!

[covert chasm]

someone somewhere at some point started playing vrchat, knew how to mod unity games, and said "huh, nobody's modded this yet", so they made one

[coarse blaze]

I mean, he's STILL a dev, I jsut talked to him a year ago so my memories are too vague, I guess

[hollow sluice]

awh

[north hedge]

that's not going to happen sadly

[wise radish]

Lmao

[tender spear]

The only thing that I worry about, is that if some features that may come from talking to modders would be pushed into VRC+, those client users would still more than likely use them, the whole "why would I pay if I already had this client that has done it for me for years" argument. Whilst I do wish for VRC+ to have more incentives, It's also a challenge to do that whilst not pissing off others, especially the mod users.

[covert chasm]

around... aug-sept 2017, probably

if i had to guess

[coarse blaze]

I was also told you could change the game code realtime in the early days before steam

[wraith lark]

that's the opposite i wanted 😭

[vocal shard]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good portable battery pack that supports fast charging?

[covert chasm]

no

[hollow sluice]

yeah thats what I am thinking, But I feel like that will still look very stiff with a biggg tail

[covert chasm]

[coarse blaze]

so it was a made up story :(

[sharp rose]

One of many considerations. We know how that'd look.

[jovial kestrel]

If you do it delicately enough, it will fine.

[high tiger]

USB? go with Anker brand. (amazon)

[sharp rose]

OMG STOP, I NEEDS IT

[covert chasm]

a lot of VRChat rumors are made up sadly

[primal dragon]

anker products are the best in my opinion

[carmine nebula]

To be fair a lot of what y'all reversed on could be looked into that was legitimately may benefit. Just a thought!

[sharp rose]

he's taunting me with that emoji

[covert chasm]

i'd say pretty much all of them are, actually

[main fern]

If they plug mod integrations into vrc+ people will just start making their own free versions of the mods

[jovial kestrel]

[pale plinth]

Only really old crappy games ever had real-time code edit stuff with like. Whatever that one program was in 2005 lmao.

[tender spear]

Exactly

[sharp rose]

fffffffffffffFFFFFFF

[coarse blaze]

just yoink it like me

[vocal shard]

Definitely USB type C capable. Tired of my Q2 battery draining so quick.

no permissions to use custom emotes so I cry

[vale pecan]

I think the most ridiculous rumor I've seen is that you use a modded client. IIRC, VRChat Team members have special features within the normal client that allow teleports, instance changes, etc, right?

[distant rampart]

I heard that rumor too, but nothing really to go off of.

[pale plinth]

And Minecraft. God remember when Avolition modded Minecraft to just delete block data from server files pfft. Old Minecraft had literally the most insane modding/hacking stuff.

Any game made after like. 2010 generally has basic prevention for the wild stuff.

[vale pecan]

Because I honestly don't believe it, either

[unreal verge]

There never was evidence

[scarlet flare]

Okay- as an aside, has the stance on using API calls outside the official client changed at all? @covert chasm

[simple hinge]

I heard vrchat secretly circulates false rumors to discredit the true rumors, plz confirm

[coarse rock]

Anyone not receiving invites? i feel something might be scuffed

[high tiger]

I have a 26800 Mah pack from them; 3 usb A port's output for my trackers. good enough that i bought a second for the wife's setup.

[gleaming kraken]

lol ive heard that one from some people defending clients. super wish they could give me their "proof" so i can tear it to shreds

[sharp mica]

any thoughts about 11-13pt FBT with how well the TundraTracker kickstarter went?

[covert chasm]

yes, that's absurd. I've never used one. I saw the "detector" someone built. It just queried some random API that seemed to let you announce freely to it who you were-- so anyone could've taken my id, said they were me, and said "look they used this modded client api thing"

[jovial kestrel]

||He knows too much||

[high tiger]

treated me good for ~ 2k hours sofar.

[rancid jewel]

i know that the vrchat team is entirely cats

[covert chasm]

the version of VRChat we have lets us teleport people around and stuff for VIP tours and etc, but uh... its mostly broken, tbh

we don't really use it

[hollow sluice]

huh.

[distant rampart]

Hey maybe the passives might consider giving you their code to check out.

[sharp rose]

I tried to teleport Pill once and both of us crashed, big sad

[covert chasm]

nah

we don't need those powers anymore, they were more useful early days

[rancid jewel]

can you use your teleportation powers to teleport bread for 3 days

[vale pecan]

I personally defend acessibility mods. Things liek a VR menu that moves with your head to prevent neck pain. Thumb position being usable as a parameter to make gestures more accessible for those with limited hand movement.

[hollow sluice]

yeah moderating one by one is impossible now anyways

[distant rampart]

The better FBT tracking sounds good to me

[pale plinth]

You can just do that stuff in udon now if you want to use it for proper usage. Like the Callous Row maps have.

[main fern]

Mod features probably make it insanely easier for people to make vrchat videos or skits

[sharp rose]

Accessibility is extremely important to us too, it isnt being sidelined.

[wraith lark]

Ig i have to die now?

[rancid jewel]

answer the question

[pale plinth]

The stuff the Callous Row Devs have done with Udon is insane man.

[vale pecan]

THe moving menu would be good for accessibility AND the general pop just sayin

[covert chasm]

my favorite rumor is that i ||started a thread on a mongolian basketweaving forum that has eventually turned into a vrchat drinking group||

[rose inlet]

so Tupper is there any eta when vive cosmos controllers might be configurable?

[covert chasm]

right now? can't you just use SteamVR's input config?

or is the cosmos weird

[raven prawn]

I want to hear more about that rumor lol

[wraith lark]

Ngl mongolian basket weaving is pretty cool

[primal dragon]

I think it might be

[covert chasm]

of course it is

[rose inlet]

you can only set what a button does. is it momentary etc

[primal dragon]

cuz, ya know Cosmos

[vocal shard]

Nice, it shows I have it available in store at a retail location nearby, gonna go grab one now. Thank you.

[rose inlet]

oh thats a dirrectional pad

[vale pecan]

The cosmos is... I wanna say a failure but that doesn't put it all into words

[covert chasm]

i am not a personal fan of the cosmos

[hollow sluice]

My favorite rumor is the one where people claim you took all the investor money and went on a holiday.

[chilly wharf]

Thank you for that fucking announcement and actually listening to us

[wraith lark]

No one is

[north hedge]

@covert chasm has there been any open discussion about the dreaded Click Click lose your hearing, audio bug? It's been around since October and it makes me so frustrated. I haven't heard about any progress or acknowledgement about it personally yet

[high tiger]

sure thing; Anker's got good products; i support them 100%.

cables and battery packs.. both awesome.

[lunar sleet]

Isn’t that what 4chan calls itself

[sharp rose]

You're...fucking welcome? 😄 ❤️

[vale pecan]

It's got horrible tracking, a mediocre FOV, the hinge is fragile, and it's just not a good VR experience.

[covert chasm]

it sits on the top of my "bugs that literally everyone hates and it won't go away" list

[north hedge]

gotcha, man it really is a pain

[rancid jewel]

vrchat team
are you able to use your teleport ability to teleport bread for 3 days

[pale plinth]

Audio Bug happens like once in a blue moon randomly

[hollow sluice]

what do you think of the 3.0 trackers? I personally dont trust them as I havent seen a good product from htc since valve stopped working with them.

[wraith lark]

No you're breathtaking!!! Oh wait... you didn't say that?

[north hedge]

it happens every single night im on, at least 1-6 times

[rugged agate]

See, I'd love to see VRChat have an approved mod repo in the same way that Beat Saber does. If that was officially sanctioned, and creators could have work monitored and approved by the community, that could be pretty amazing for the game's accessibility.

[vale pecan]

Tuuuundra. Tunnndra. TUNNNNDRA.

[hollow sluice]

yeah dont worry

[primal dragon]

Not terrible, you're losing 30 degrees of fov but gaining better battery life and a smaller size

[rugged agate]

Not easy, of course, and the TOS would have to be rewritten, but one can dream.

[hollow sluice]

I already backed tundra but competition is good

[covert chasm]

I think they're very interesting and definitely offer improvements over 2.0. I'll probably stick with my 2.0's for now.

...That being said, unrelated: I got in on the early bird Tundra order!! 🙃

[north hedge]

that's all that matters, that someone is competing with HTC finally

[split lotus]

I'd imagine some of the team wish to do so, but the fact is they need to somehow define the good mods vs bad mods, and it would be too much work to do so? My thought.

[vocal shard]

Tupp, You should make a complaint channel ;)

[lunar sleet]

That’s what I’ve always imagined

[vale pecan]

I personally believe that the TOS change is what's hurting things. TOS changes are expensive. Contract lawyers ain't cheap.

[tulip lichen]

Lucky! That early bird one sold out in like eight minutes.

[old palm]

I'm kinda hopeful StonX works out for fullbody.

[covert chasm]

tbh I don't trust any tracking method that doesn't use Lighthouse, but that's just me

[scarlet flare]

tupp no hear monke

sad monke noises

[covert chasm]

I might be a volvo fanboy

[vale pecan]

Agreed.

[north hedge]

same tbh

[vocal shard]

😔

[primal dragon]

Lighthouse the oggg

[hollow sluice]

how did you manage that. I was trying my damn hardest to get them but kickstarter kept shitting itself. well do let us know how they are please

[scarlet flare]

LMAO

[simple hinge]

Zuckerburg is watching and learning how to act like a human through the oculus cameras. Fact.

[tame island]

outside in tracking bomb af

[sharp rose]

SAD NOT ALLOWED, ONLY JOY >:U

[pale plinth]

Complaints aren't useful. People should use #feature-requests and word their issues constructively. "This is the issue, this is my proposed solution." etc.

[covert chasm]

will do. I managed to get in really early

[vocal shard]

It was a joke, But yes

[scarlet flare]

This. This, this, this.

[carmine nebula]

Hey tupperware, face tracking when?

[old palm]

but... they use lighthouses.

[vocal shard]

:D We happy few

[sharp mica]

11 and 13pt tracking when?

[rugged agate]

Speaking of VR competitors, DecaMove and Etee seem pretty interesting so far. DecaMove lets you use hip-relative, rather than head/head-relative movement. Etee is buttonless and seems to have better finger tracking.

[tulip lichen]

That’s a lot of trackers.

[hollow sluice]

the cosmos doesnt, only the cosmos elite which doesnt offer a better experience over the index for the same price

[simple hinge]

Actually unironically yes - face tracking. If not under an NDA, can you disclose if VRC has hands on the devkit hardware and plans to do stuff with it?

[sharp rose]

Eh...I dont agree with this, honestly. Even complaints - hell, even really salty complaints - all have a message someone is trying to get across. Read between the lines of insults and such, and what you have left is someone trying to tell you something they care a lot about.

[covert chasm]

let me reword: I don't trust any not-lighthouse tracking system. I only trust Lighthouse.

[carmine nebula]

I need that use of that new vive facial tracker, you know what I'm sayin /s

[modern elk]

He'll make quest fullbody to see how humans move

[vale pecan]

Hopefully, this will be implemented thanks to talks with mod authors- namely the custom IK resolver author.

[old palm]

Ah alright, makes more sense.

[unborn stone]

sooo... does that mean more tracking points?

[wraith lark]

Tupper pls notice me

[tulip lichen]

Lycra VR quest suit when

[old palm]

Wrong @? Or am I missing something?

[rancid jewel]

give us more tracking points i want to be able to track my cat

[hollow sluice]

well Tupper was talking about the cosmos wasnt he?

[simple hinge]

Full dive into vrchat when, come on lazy dev team what's taking you so long wtf

[covert chasm]

i'm not sure how you got that out of my message Its something we want, just a matter of "what order should we tackle this 4,745 item long todo list?" as usual

[unborn stone]

XD

[rancid jewel]

gonna put a vive tracker on my cat

[unborn stone]

I just really want more tracking points so I can track my elbows

[wraith lark]

Send me the results

[sharp rose]

Put a fitbit on my cat once, then he slept all day. fitbit asked if I was dead.

[modern elk]

goona put a vive tracker on my pet hampster

[rancid jewel]

my leg is now flying across the room

[jovial kestrel]

It'd do the same thing on me tbh.

[lethal totem]

you people are going to fill ur entire bodies with millions of vive trackers in like a year from now

[shell grove]

Personally, I just hope to see some of the features and QoL improvements the community has made come to the vanilla client.

[sharp rose]

XD

[jovial kestrel]

Nanomachines?

[hollow sluice]

I have managed to track objects like your cat in vrc already

[tulip lichen]

Put a vive tracker on your vive tracker. Be the change you want to see. Or track.

[simple hinge]

@unborn stone search the forbidden githubs and discords and you'll find what you seek

[rancid jewel]

gonna put a vive tracker on myself

[wraith lark]

How can you be sure you're not?

[jovial kestrel]

The thing is, I'm not sure.

[tulip lichen]

Maybe we are in VR right now, we just don’t know how to take the headset off.

[wraith lark]

Seems legit

[wraith lark]

Just grab it 4head

[sharp rose]

We can't really be sure we're not brains in jars, and this is all just VR data fed into our senses.

[digital mantle]

I’m gonna cover an entire car in Vive trackers.

[whole spoke]

Is there a mod in here?

[sharp rose]

vr in vr

[vocal shard]

Anyways, thanks yall. I'm not really that involved in it but I do know that a lot of the long time respected modders are just game devs from other games, or work in software in some capacity. Much of the malicious software I've seen isn't really related to them. One of the big things I hope for is that a number of avatar crash methods can be isolated and fixed. I know modders have done a decent amount of work at fixing that in the past.

[gleaming kraken]

for real though i would genuinely plug myself into the matrix at the first chance given

[shell grove]

I'm going to put a vive tracker on a cat

[pale plinth]

Elbow, Knee, and Shoulder trackers would be pog

[simple hinge]

@tulip lichen nobody has disproven Solipsism. Fact. Now get out of my brain.

[tulip lichen]

But it’s comfy in here.

[digital mantle]

Hair tracking.

[agile needle]

Big toe trackers

[jovial kestrel]

I'm a brain in a jar? I honestly thought I was just ||three ducks in a man costume.||

[rancid jewel]

fuck it im putting a tracker on each individual bone in my body for ultimate immersion

[sharp rose]

i mean, you could be

[sage steeple]

yee that is why a lot of people mod is crashers

[coarse blaze]

terrible flashbacks to vallhalla bartending game

[vocal shard]

done dinner... what's up

[hollow sluice]

I think improving the 6 point IK system should be a higher priority over more tracking points.

[polar rose]

regarding the latest announcement i hope we can still expect bans for non-qol stuff and that the line is not going to be blurred. it might be a good idea to define more clearly what would be an example of a qol feature as opposed to something people should not do.

[whole spoke]

I've got an individual in a world claiming to be a VRChat moderator, and just trying to find out if this is correct. Username is BobybohonoVR

[sage steeple]

it helps a lot i hear

[jovial kestrel]

They would be lying.

[wraith lark]

We all could be, we will never know

[sharp rose]

everything is on fire and i evaded ur ban of me again

[hollow sluice]

bans will be issued to all on a technical level Qol or not

[vocal shard]

Sneaky

[sharp mica]

fix calculation by adding more points of reference 🙂

[polar rose]

that's not what the announcement says at all.

[wraith lark]

When's my time?

[whole spoke]

Thank you

[distant rampart]

Rob Jamie

[sharp rose]

wut

oop, wrong person

[spring vine]

I do still wish flying and no clip was a vrchat thing that could be disabled by world creators

[sharp rose]

sorry kenny

[wraith lark]

Oof

[whole spoke]

you're good

[jovial kestrel]

[digital mantle]

😂

[tranquil socket]

he's a french 16 years old

[vocal shard]

[wraith lark]

Don't need to bonk them that hard

[tranquil socket]

just by the name i've found him on google lol

[vale pecan]

In non-malicious mods, any world set to Club or Game automatically has these features disabled.

[digital mantle]

Oh

[hollow sluice]

the announcement doesnt say that Qol mod users wont get banned. You still have the same amount of risk. its still against the TOS

[sharp rose]

No one on the moderation team will ever interact with users in the client. Please send in a report on that.

[jovial kestrel]

First time is the roll of newspaper. Second time is the Chankla...

[tulip lichen]

If we are in VR right now when our bodies break down is it because they’re actually breaking down or is it just the simulation glitching out like how cyberpunk used to corrupt your save file once it was a certain size?

[sharp rose]

YOU WOULDNT

[spring vine]

Im aware I mean like if vrchat implimented it themself cause not all game worlds need flying disabled really

[vocal shard]

@spring vine I don't believe any game has ever been able to really prevent that. You can make it more difficult but at the end of the day values in memory are values in memory.

[wraith lark]

Scary

[tranquil socket]

i think the chankla first, THEN the belt

[whole spoke]

yeah he's in a world using some sort of client flying around everywhere and teleporting to people and claiming to ban and stuff.

[jovial kestrel]

[wraith lark]

But they would

[distant rampart]

just realized it is about to turn april first LMAO

[polar rose]

right, but then goes on to say that they're looking the other way. the closest it comes to saying that is that they "may" be banned. i think bringing more ambiguity or opening anything up to interpretation whatsoever is not a good idea.

[vocal shard]

You mean those on the mod team NEVER interact with others? They just stay in their own bubble?

[scarlet flare]

Wait so when I went to bagel bash, @modern sand wasn't actually there? WAS IT A HOLOGRAM?! MY WHOLE IMMERSION IS A LIE

[distant rampart]

I can see why people thought it was a joke.

[digital mantle]

April fools, your life is mine

[jovial kestrel]

Video footage, screenshots/output logs. Grab these things if you can and send them to moderation via #moderation-reports

[tranquil socket]

epic, emmvrc user wannabe moderators lol

[spring vine]

idk flying and noclip are in cvr and people dont use it that often, adding the feature chills people out if everyone can do it

[distant rampart]

you dont want mine :(

[whole spoke]

didn't really think to record anything

[sharp rose]

They do, and very much on purpose. If someone in-game claims they're on the mod team, they are not.

[rancid jewel]

they lying lolr

[vocal shard]

We do need more in-game mods tho.

[distant rampart]

I'm a mod, I swear.. proceeds to crash someone

[sharp rose]

rood

[polar rose]

just yeet the client users and we'll be all good

[coarse rock]

Is anyone getting ingame invites? Fairly certain something is scuffed today

[digital mantle]

I don’t want mine either lol

[hollow sluice]

they are in a very complicated situation, trying to inform the general audience about things without encouraging breaking the TOS is hard in a case like this

[distant rampart]

yeah I imagine if talks go, something will prob need to change.

But give them time lets see where this goes.

[polar rose]

oh yeah i agree. it's an awkward spot for sure. i just think that they need to have strong clarifications on what it is exactly they will look the other way on

[tulip lichen]

A dialogue and compromise or collaboration is going to be better for everyone and bring the community together.

I hope. ❤️

[spring vine]

communication shouldve been prioritized by vrchat instead of this 3 year ignorance honestly

[polar rose]

would suck if someone interprets it as "we will look the other way if you're flying and noclipping around" then they get banned for exactly that

[tranquil socket]

think about this : you claim to be a moderator, but then, behind you za warudo : moderator appears and yeets you across the universe

[distant rampart]

Cooperation with the passives, imagine how much on the spot the hostile modders would be lmao.

[sage steeple]

tbh regardless of what comes out of it, people will do what people will do. Breaking the rules has never stopped modders

[hollow sluice]

what I gathered from the post is they want to communicate with modders to better the game. Not to allow mods. But they also understand why people use the mods out of necessity.

[spring vine]

I do want to see vrchat to succeed but they have to talk to people who want better

[simple hinge]

@polar rose I think it's self evident. Nobody's checking to see if your menu follows your head or world space to make sure you're not modding.

[sharp rose]

We're just people too, not perfect by any stretch. Thanks for being patient with us about it.

[simple hinge]

If you're conspicuously modding, probably stop doing it before they stop looking the other way.

[distant rampart]

Well its atleast a step I think in a better direction, I wanna see where this goes def.

[vocal shard]

Okayz I have a big dilemma.... I wanna add headphones to my avatar... But I haz Neko ears... What do?

[sage steeple]

if they stop

[main fern]

mods exist because people love a game so much they simply want to see improvements

[coarse blaze]

I like how this channel turned from rabid scottish terriers constantly attacking the devs with words for 40 hours to super wholesome german shepherds

[sharp rose]

catear headset, obvs

[tranquil socket]

earplugs.

[polar rose]

i am super glad that there is a dialogue happening now though. i don't agree with clients whatsoever and have never considered them useful or necessary to enjoy vrchat to the fullest. but i cant deny that it seems thats what people want

[old palm]

Have them hanging around your neck maybe?

[sage steeple]

yee. a lot of modders just want a better experience

[distant rampart]

The only real enemy would be the malicious groups now, and some of the modders may know how to combat some of them so IMAGINE.

[vocal shard]

[tranquil socket]

2 speakers, one strapped on each ear.

[simple hinge]

Also, @sharp rose thanks for talking to the players. Not sure what you do in the team, but it's good to see others besides Tupper engaging.

[tranquil socket]

+1 if those are ghetto blasters

[untold delta]

Yo anyone know why my vrchat is all the sudden unplayably laggy

[main fern]

modders can definitely combat them

[sharp rose]

I do, uh...stuff. But yw. ❤️

[spring vine]

with many people in the community some people want certain things to make their time on vrchat fun. Kinda like back when mods could send messages it was nice for those who couldnt speak to talk to you without a pen

[jovial kestrel]