vrchat-general-2

[distant rampart]

LMAO

[covert chasm]

Unironically I understand your motivation completely. We're not blind, deaf, and dumb. I know why people use these mods. However, they're against the rules. That's how things are right this moment. I can't tell you how things are going to change in the future or how things are work. I can tell you: Give us time.

That being said...... have to say that modified clients are a violation of the ToS, no matter the intent, and you shouldn't use them. Using them will result in moderation. 😛

[flint swift]

Either way would be nice to see the game bit more cleaned up i know we not going to get the 2017 days back but can hope :)

[boreal ore]

That's because Life is unfair Kiddo. 😄 There is no point in making a fuss about it and arguing with other people and causing a fight no? Just be chill state what you want to state in peacufull manner where hopefully it will get seen. If it's a good suggestion/ want hopefully it would snowball or get seen by the right people

[sharp saddle]

Welcome back, Nep.

[odd edge]

there have been attempts from the modding community for exactly this. vut as you use s somewhat custom version of db this never went anywhere

[clever pulsar]

my pronouns are (ooga/booga)

[chilly wharf]

Work on getting actual malicious clients and stuff instead of banning tools that just make the game better since the devs can't do it and can't even put the money we gave them to fix their game

[covert chasm]

How would your viewpoint deal with that?

[upper atlas]

So if we're not a streamer and we have a good idea we should just be ignored because we're not internet famous?

[flint swift]

Yeah i didnt think about impact on performance >.<

[worthy oracle]

Perhaps it could be like a side project for the team to create their own ideal version of a physics system like dynamic bones, and implement it that way. I’m sure it would be worth it, then again, I’m not sure if that’s beyond the scope of the team

[sharp rose]

If someone could push my head without me being able to stop them, ngl I'd be pretty dang salty

[boreal ore]

Your not ignored. Just harder to see.

[distant rampart]

LMAO good point I would laugh though at it.

[distant rampart]

Trust collisions LMAO

[rancid trellis]

I would like to see progress made on outing malicious mods instead of ones that make the game better at least too.

[fierce surge]

May I poke your head?

[covert chasm]

We're trying to make trust less important, not more 😛

[sharp rose]

Anyone I put on Trust would know better than to touch me 😛

[vestal pier]

I downloaded a really cool client through "steam" try 2 ban me tupper 😎

[distant rampart]

Well dynamic bones may run into the issue too lol

[sharp rose]

asis pls

[supple kestrel]

That would be really cool. I just hope it makes sense that we can't exactly just say "yea we'll do that", y'know?

[distant rampart]

My friends would bully me hard

[hard burrow]

Doesn't a thing exist to put on your Avatar that allows you to see your nosebridge on certain avatars? Like a mesh renderer in front of your viewpoint? I just think that would be kinda cool.

[desert frigate]

its not like it matters now anyway

[graceful pewter]

stupid question if someone figured out how to do that in unity in general wouldn't that be the go-to everybody buys not Dynamic bones

[distant rampart]

Know what I miss personally tho for real.

[dawn tulip]

I'd love a trusted replacement for dynamic bones if it means I can interact with people's hair in vrchat

[distant rampart]

Being able to set avatar sizes and have their viewheights change, it was said to be in dev and never came back.

It would've been great for certain avatars.

[covert chasm]

[worthy oracle]

That’s what I’m saying though like, VRChat would just be able to package it within their sdk. You wouldn’t need to buy dynamic bones

[fierce surge]

Oh no now you’re armed

[sharp rose]

no one ever talks about dynamic burritos

[graceful pewter]

my point was more if a better system existed it would be already on the asset store

[worthy oracle]

Fair enough. But, don’t think it’s impossible!

[vocal shard]

yeah that awesome client even has some secret mods like --fps= its pretty neat

[vestal pier]

👀 🙌

[hard burrow]

Oh no Tupper's got a gun. RUN

[flint swift]

Go on... im listening

[compact axle]

actually was in the sdk 3.0 beta and got removed before release and nobody talked about it ever again

[distant rampart]

Call it that if it ever got added, instead of dynamic bones "Dynamic Burritoes"

[sharp rose]

oh i cant make it lol

[vital thorn]

I wanna ask something, how do u upload an avatar on vrchat steam?

[covert chasm]

It turned out that we didn't want to tie that to avatars, and the implementation we had for it was a little bit weird

[pearl otter]

I wish you lots of luck with vrchat. I really enjoy it a lot. This is super stressful im sure but thanks for the work that yall do. :) i especially dont envy yalls position where so many gamers have the "correct" solution to every situation revolving vrchat.

[supple kestrel]

Oh it's absolutely possible. Just that's all XD

[distant rampart]

yes I miss that

[sharp rose]

yis

[worthy oracle]

Oh ofc but it doesn’t.. doesn’t mean it’s not possible though. It’s not hard to create a more optimized version

[sharp saddle]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[candid fiber]

A Second time?

[vocal shard]

hello friends ?

[distant rampart]

I miss it def, it had potential for alot of creative avatars.

[sharp rose]

I still havent forgiven blue for forever changing how I see brushes. I cant even look at my toothbrush without hearing memes anymore.

[vital thorn]

I wanna ask something, how do u upload an avatar on vrchat steam?

[covert chasm]

despite what it may look like from this (honestly kinda quiet for this discord's size and 16,300 people on VRC at 1:36AM on a wednesday), i love this job and wouldnt' do anything else

[jovial kestrel]

You can still kind of do it, it's just... eldritch.

[sharp saddle]

Did you not see my ping?

[fierce surge]

What is wrong with brushes?

[pearl otter]

:) im happy for you

[distant rampart]

the fallback thing recently kinda forces me to use one now so i just set myself to a brush.

[sharp rose]

not a thing but i blame him anyway

[distant rampart]

On quest for memes

[chilly wharf]

Oh no im using something that enhances vrchat because God forbid i want to play with someone's hair, but avatar rippers and crashers have been there since day one

[hard burrow]

I've been playing VRChat since August of last year and only just recently I started experimenting with Udon for my own world.

[fierce surge]

But I want to see my tooth brush differently?

[vital thorn]

Ping or pins? No, I didnt see it.

[sharp saddle]

Ping. Look above.

[worthy oracle]

Bro I’m all for people learning udon and making worlds, it’s really exciting actually to see what you can make with it

[shrewd edge]

#vrchat-general-2 message

[sharp saddle]

Thanks, Fus.

[shrewd edge]

yw

[covert chasm]

fus

[sharp rose]

ro

[covert chasm]

no

[jovial kestrel]

dah

[flint swift]

End of the day you guys do what you believe is best for the game if something breaks the rules it breaks the rules plain and simple whether its malicious or not they cant exactly make exceptions otherwise its shit moderation

[supple kestrel]

Don't make such a Fus, Fusl XD

[covert chasm]

[fierce surge]

I want it to become my friend, I must understand my toothbrush and your knowledge of brushes may lead me to understanding

[sharp saddle]

[covert chasm]

BROKEN

[desert frigate]

side tracked again

[covert chasm]

are you gonna do this every time someone talks about something other than what you wanna talk about

[sharp saddle]

It's a chatroom, of course it'll happen.

[shrewd edge]

oh no he now knows people call me like that /w\

[rancid trellis]

kek

[worthy oracle]

@vestal pier BAH, it’s the creator of the cursed BRUSH !!

[graceful pewter]

and also the reply button is there to have multiple conversations

[desert frigate]

yes

[vital thorn]

So, I guess it needs unity to upload content then?

[covert chasm]

are we gonna find you in here 300 years from now, everyone with their brain uploaded into the matroshka brain around the sun, sitting in this discord channel saying "sidetracked again" any time someone posts

[distant rampart]

yes

[sharp saddle]

Yes. And at least New User rank with a VRC account.

[devout berry]

Yep.

[lucid rock]

[flint swift]

Lmao

[worthy oracle]

lmfao wtf

[hard burrow]

I'm a sucker for physical buttons that use Udon, so I absolutely had to have them lol.
I even have a Door in my world that you can actually kick if you use FBT (*not responsible for irl damage)

[rancid trellis]

[covert chasm]

that sounds like a badass scifi actually

last guy left after a brain upload

[desert frigate]

correct again

[worthy oracle]

that’s pretty cool! nice

[flint swift]

Its a bootleg ghost in the shell

[supple kestrel]

Ugh. The topic got off burritos. Sidetracked again...

[sharp rose]

brainjar VR, the only true experience

[supple kestrel]

^

[chilly wharf]

Imagine not using the money we gave you guys to fix your game >_>

[fierce surge]

Would you upload your brain

[worthy oracle]

maybe numbafieve is actually just an ai..

[sharp rose]

big mood 🌯

[odd edge]

make da buttons compatible for avis without distal bones

[worthy oracle]

🤔

[sharp saddle]

I love the buttons in B(ooba) Club.

[rancid trellis]

We're on burritos? Smh, sidetracked again..

[covert chasm]

sorta, that sounds like a Stanisław Lem novel

[wind zealot]

imagine furry females

[chilly wharf]

Lol

[rancid trellis]

Those already exist

[candid fiber]

Just put toes on your model and the finger

[distant rampart]

Please for the love of vrpill actually suggest if vrchat eveer makes their own dynamic bones with colliders call it "Dynamic Burritos"

🤣

[desert frigate]

exactly. so what was the issue again? i think it had to do with the modders but im not sure

[graceful pewter]

and plenty of models for those

[supple kestrel]

Burrito Bones

[sharp rose]

pretty sure it was burritos

[wind zealot]

can't imagine lmao

[wind zealot]

no i mean irl lol

[worthy oracle]

Dynamic burritos. Burritos that are dynamic. Yes this is a good idea.

[covert chasm]

i'm in the middle of my fasting period don't do this to me

[rancid trellis]

[hard burrow]

Holy crap, I would just press those buttons repeatedly. It's oddly satisfying.

[sharp rose]

uh...quick, what's boring....water? kale? idk

[desert frigate]

no i think it was modders

[wind zealot]

what's that?

[covert chasm]

intermittent fasting

[worthy oracle]

sidetracked again ...

[covert chasm]

i quit vaping recently and put on like 15 pounds and i hate it

[wind zealot]

explanation for smooth brain?

[supple kestrel]

I'm too much of a fatty nto even try.

[sharp saddle]

Know what's more satisfying? The intercom system.

[hard burrow]

Haha true

[fierce surge]

Hey atleast your kicking the nic

[covert chasm]

blue never should've put that in, I just shitpost loudly using the intercom every time i see a room with occupants that doesn't have DND mode on

[wind zealot]

i don't speak pounds

[desert frigate]

no that was the topic

[vocal shard]

oh wow it is hell here...

[covert chasm]

already did actually 😄

[distant rampart]

Honestly it would help differ from dynamic bones as well, lmao.

[sharp saddle]

Isn't that the entire point of it?!

[worthy oracle]

I know lol

[covert chasm]

~7kg, or ~1 stone

[fierce surge]

That’s great!

[placid umbra]

I was scrolled up but +1 for pushable Udon buttons

[hard burrow]

LMAO

[wind zealot]

7 kg ain much

[covert chasm]

it isn't but it made me feel awful

[placid umbra]

I really want to get some pushable buttons into the SDK examples because I want to see more of them

[graceful pewter]

now I wonder how much space in the Matryoshka brain all of the fursonas would take up

[jovial kestrel]

Global SCP SL style intercoms.

[wind zealot]

i remember being 90kg when i was 12, i was a rolling ball, yet i was fast af XD

[distant rampart]

Inb4 someone makes a death trap map.

[covert chasm]

plays shooting stars

[rancid trellis]

I'ma be straight up honest, shut the fuck up. This topic has been talked for 24 hours. It's clear we won't get anymore than this so just cool your sun of a head.

[covert chasm]

🙂

[sharp saddle]

By the by, Blu. Wanted to ask while you're here. What does the Miku poster do when you click it?

[wind zealot]

now I'm just a boring anime background character

[desert frigate]

nah, i want an answer after that long

[sharp saddle]

Or... supposed to do.

[vocal shard]

ease up turbo

[fierce surge]

Built in udon script for pushable buttons with the vrchat world SDK when?

[placid umbra]

Death trap? There's a fantastic death run world that was made in SDK2

[wind zealot]

imagine being inhuman enough to use default emojis with nitro

[hard burrow]

I'm not sure. I didn't think to try that yet.

[distant rampart]

imagine it with buttons lmao

[vocal shard]

IKR

[placid umbra]

That'd be really cool!

[distant rampart]

but now talking about "Burrito bones" made me hungry.

[vocal shard]

[rancid trellis]

Look, I only said it once, and I believed it was necessary.

[distant rampart]

Imagine telling someone "Don't use dynamic bones" "Use Burito bones they are better"

[covert chasm]

im reporting you

[distant rampart]

LMAO

[wind zealot]

:o

[placid umbra]

The one I'm thinking of is from @tidal aspen , not sure if it'll move to Udon

[hard burrow]

Bruh

[covert chasm]

imagine a Udon death run

[distant rampart]

I'm unreporting him

[sharp saddle]

Nep, you've been to Booba Club, right?

[worthy oracle]

Bro I want a burrito

[distant rampart]

Booba club?

[hard burrow]

I'll race you to make one!

[vocal shard]

i suport this

[fierce surge]

I will make it tomorrow

[distant rampart]

I'm more of a AssaClub myself.

[covert chasm]

actually you know what, i want Udon prophunt, I think you can't do it quite yet but maybe one day

[supple kestrel]

S A M E

[placid umbra]

Prophunt would be really cool

[devout berry]

Btw, any plan for some locale program? I would like to help out by providing Czech strings. I will make Canny for that if needed.

[sharp rose]

i set "burrito" to ping me any time someone said it, that was a mistake

[sharp saddle]

Just B Club.

[distant rampart]

you'll be our wingman make sure it gets called burrito bones if you ever get the chance LMAO.

[worthy oracle]

PLS dude like with just everything in it

[hard burrow]

Okay now that would be hella fun!

[distant rampart]

ooooh

[covert chasm]

yeahhh, i love prop hunt. so stupid simple, so good

[distant rampart]

I've been there it was okay

[worthy oracle]

a good burrito, or maybe Chinese food, I could have any day

[gray rune]

I'd personally like to see Udon Guess Who.

[supple kestrel]

Are we just gonna name all features in VRC after food? XD Because I'd be down for that lol.

[sharp saddle]

Pls!

[distant rampart]

yes its like friezas force from dragonball

[worthy oracle]

you know what I would like?

[fierce surge]

It might be possible already, they could use a method used by the person that made the studio ghibli map, they made a table switch your avatar

[worthy oracle]

if anyone ever played Roblox many years ago, I would love a recreation of “survive the natural disasters” but for vrchat and in UDON

[hard burrow]

and in VR = Chaos and Laughter

[covert chasm]

ah, that world's SDK2-- i'm more thinking about hiding your current avatar and hiding the nameplate

[worthy oracle]

that would be so cool

[fierce surge]

The only thing that wouldn’t work is physics? Maybe?

[covert chasm]

actually..... hmmmmmmmmmm

HMMMMMMMM

[fierce surge]

Yes use the big brain, let’s think this out

[covert chasm]

you kinda could do it with clever culling on the avatar layers, maybe

[distant rampart]

vrchat spectator mode when LMAO

add hardcore mode as well

[covert chasm]

nameplates are still a problem tho

[fierce surge]

I’ve never used culling yet, I will learn

[worthy oracle]

vrchat is always on hardcore mode

[fierce surge]

World option to set nameplates as hidden? Or trust?

Because you CAN doable nameplates

Just with trust

[graceful pewter]

no no it needs an even more hardcore mode like ready player one where you lose all of your cat girls if you lose a poker game/s

[clever pulsar]

abcdefg food

[fierce surge]

OH

[opal juniper]

prophunt is totally doable with desynced stations. They're pretty jank and not officially supported but they totally work

[gray rune]

I mean, there were already worlds made with SDK2 where you would be forced into an avatar as soon as you started the game in the world. Doing a similar trick for Guess Who where you randomly get assigned an avatar to use in the world and you have NPCs walking around doing random crap like in Gmod Guess Who.

[distant rampart]

time to do a full dive in vrchat.

[hard burrow]

That might annoy a couple of people who customize their nameplates in the Action Menu.

[covert chasm]

i can see udon being able to set your nameplate hidden state some day

[fierce surge]

And we can use the pickup udon script too!

So you can be picked up and moved!

LETS a gooooooo!

[covert chasm]

oh man, super hardcore mode prop hunt

[hard burrow]

I mean, for now you can just hide it through the Action Menu for a good spook in a horror map.

[covert chasm]

yeah you can kinda already do all this assuming that the people you're playing with are being nice and not cheating

[fierce surge]

@covert chasm I’ll try a potential method of it for this by the weekend lol

No cap. I will try

[covert chasm]

impromptu game jam lol

[fierce surge]

Yeyeyeyeyey

[placid umbra]

I've always hoped for some sort of TTT in udon

[jovial kestrel]

Same

[covert chasm]

its atiash

[placid umbra]

I've put way, way too many hours into TTT

[wind zealot]

can you pin the launch option that changes fps lock?

[covert chasm]

shoot him

SHOOT ATI

[fierce surge]

New idea for you, 1 week game jam for udon, winner gets free VRC+ for a year

[jovial kestrel]

[hard burrow]

I'll race y'all to be the first to make a Udon Prophunt.

[covert chasm]

not a bad idea

[worthy oracle]

@hard burrow we are in need for more game worlds, go for it

[wind zealot]

this channel srsly doesn't have a single pin?

[fierce surge]

Do it, there is already innovation in the udon space, but it could bring in fresh minds!

[placid umbra]

@wind zealot No????

[worthy oracle]

outplayed

[hard burrow]

LMAO

[lucid rock]

[wind zealot]

this is so big brain

[distant rampart]

All of the vrchat team are secretly burritos

[odd edge]

gl finding keafys ign

[wind zealot]

me famous now :o

[distant rampart]

I can confirm.

[worthy oracle]

How would you know?

[placid umbra]

Don't worry, I'll remove the pin in a few mins

[vocal shard]

[vocal shard]

food?

[wind zealot]

noooooooo

[distant rampart]

I saw Tupper in game once and he was a burrito.

I never lie so

[worthy oracle]

Bruh I’ve never seen

[vocal shard]

there's only one way to know

[hard burrow]

Got proof?

[worthy oracle]

Like any mod in game and I’ve been playing for over 2 years

do y’all exist?

[fierce surge]

Can world object use dynamic bones?

[distant rampart]

My proof, is that he is a burrito. Get played

[distant rampart]

*Dynamic Burritoes

[fierce surge]

Yes

But can world objects use dynamic bones?

[distant rampart]

Mark my word I will slowly make this become the new word for dynamic bones

[worthy oracle]

You’re not making my burrito craving any easier

[hard burrow]

That would probably lag the crap out of you.

[worthy oracle]

_>

[distant rampart]

Burrito Burrito Burrito

[covert chasm]

They can, yes

[worthy oracle]

@supple kestrel if I must suffer, you must too

[fierce surge]

Possibly, but they get disabled with dynamic bone limiters?

[covert chasm]

They don't.

[fierce surge]

Oh boy

[hard burrow]

Or a Udon toggle?

[fierce surge]

They don’t get disabled by the dynamic bone limiter?

[vocal shard]

I've seen Tupper before too, he thought i was the one using a client in the instance targeting him

[fierce surge]

Welp, I’m gonna do 2 things with this knowledge

[hard burrow]

No, they only limit the amount of dynamic bones simulated.

[fierce surge]

Make a dynamic burrito, and a stupid amount of them in one world

[distant rampart]

All jokes aside I've seen him to, but he was in a bad spot there were like 20 client users chasing him

And they managed to crash him it was a while back.

[vocal shard]

[worthy oracle]

Make a burrito tycoon simulator

[hard burrow]

vrchat crashes

[vocal shard]

that's toxic that's why I hate them

[fierce surge]

vrchat has stopped responding

[covert chasm]

Was that in the Black Cat? Next to the stairs?

[distant rampart]

Yeah I ran by it and saw it.

[vocal shard]

similar thing. there was objects flying around him and then everyone crashed except a couple of people

[covert chasm]

I wasn't being chased, lol. I was sitting quite still

[odd edge]

tuppers been vrashes many more than 1 time

[worthy oracle]

bruh the trolling must be real

[distant rampart]

Oh, maybe I assumed cause I saw all of them flying.

[covert chasm]

I was answering questions until one of them got bored and crashed me, so I rebooted my VRChat and hung out with some friends instead.

It was a shame, a few of them had some good ideas

[distant rampart]

I saw them flying though atleast.

There was a few of them

[fierce surge]

Is it possible to entirely disable player movement in a world and force them to real world walk or play space move?

[distant rampart]

I don't think so.

[worthy oracle]

.. why

[hard burrow]

I guess you turn off your locomotion, huh?

[distant rampart]

I'd love real world walking tho

[fierce surge]

For maximum role play

[distant rampart]

:(

[worthy oracle]

hmmmmm

[fierce surge]

Hmmm

My mind at 4-5 am vs literally the entire rest of my day

[vocal shard]

I think i was in that instance actually

[fierce surge]

cracked

[hard burrow]

Quite terrible that people just do that.

[covert chasm]

Actually one or two of them (as usual) said something to the effect of "huh, I didn't expect you to be so chill", which is a phrase that I am told SO OFTEN that I am concerned that people have been vastly misinformed of my demeanor

[distant rampart]

@covert chasm I did want to ask, obviously that form of avatar resizing got removed, do you think there may be a chance it could return in the future? I still really want it to exist, so I'm curious.

[covert chasm]

Like unironically

I have people say that all the time to the point that its making me worry

lmao

[worthy oracle]

Can confirm, the rumors I hear about you are wild

[vocal shard]

lmao why worry?

[covert chasm]

We do too, eventually will have it again

[fierce surge]

You just have a little edge, but an understandable edge

[distant rampart]

Yeah can confirm rumors too.

[boreal ore]

You seem like a person I would love to play D&D with

[covert chasm]

I used to DM 😄

but then I got a job at VRChat, so

[boreal ore]

Cant play D&D in Vrchat? 🤔

[covert chasm]

yes, many people do

[hard burrow]

Even so, do you actually friend nice people (not including your staff members) as well?

[boreal ore]

That would be sick.

[fierce surge]

This individual leading the stories of many

[covert chasm]

snark can be a powerful weapon when used responsibly

[fierce surge]

Heheheh yes

[boreal ore]

Sign me up for D&D or other RPG in vrchat

[covert chasm]

I try to keep my VRChat friends list pretty short, if it gets too long I start getting outside my monkeysphere and lose track of people

[worthy oracle]

UDON combat rpg vrchat world when???

[fierce surge]

But people don’t like it when it’s used against them

[covert chasm]

Uh, now? 🤔 https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_5ee932de-bb76-4381-8143-c38a0a79b573

[fossil root]

what is a "monkeysphere"

[covert chasm]

Oh, that link won't work for you

[distant rampart]

That's good to hear me and my friends have been giving up hope as we had no indication it might come back ;-;

[covert chasm]

there ya go

[fierce surge]

Me considering culling my friends list to those who I actively talk to on a daily basis or letting it continue to expand

[worthy oracle]

Oh true, I’ve played that one

Pretty fun

[distant rampart]

The moment data can be saved per world would make these worlds great for RPGs.

[shrewd edge]

bold of you to assume that being staff member guarantees a friendship with tupper :P

[boreal ore]

Mine is ~10

[covert chasm]

aka, "dunbar's number"

[hard burrow]

Haha well I tried

[odd edge]

fusl > tupper

[fossil root]

so, the people youre able to have fond memories of

[covert chasm]

factually correct

[worthy oracle]

damn

[sharp saddle]

Imagine being friends with Tupper.

[shrewd edge]

disagreed

[distant rampart]

I did also want to ask if possible, do you think one day it may be possible to save data per world for players that way things like saving gold in a RPG world or Stats could be possible?

[covert chasm]

dont be friends with me, im a jerk and dont even let people on my yacht

[jovial kestrel]

[sharp saddle]

Gasp! You monster, Frisbee!

[odd edge]

flashbacks to us all in ur avi

[covert chasm]

One day, hopefully! Sorry, that's gonna be a common answer.

[fierce surge]

Can I be a stow away?

[opal juniper]

I started two months ago when do I get a yacht

[fossil root]

oh btw, @quartz fog and I have started doing amogus, but tupper, where all cyber-looking blue-haired 3d anime girls are just automatically tupper. I blame you for this.

[opal juniper]

Tupper these are the answers the people need to know

[hard burrow]

Well feel free to give constructive criticism of my chill Udon world whenever you want. I'll listen...

[fierce surge]

I need to know

[sharp saddle]

Fus, come visit me sometime.

[covert chasm]

we should have like.. how blizzard does their swords and etc at 5yr marks and etc? but instead you get a yacht. but it isn't a yacht, its a small folded paper boat that i scribbled "yhat" on the side with a sharpie

god that's a great idea

[fierce surge]

Y hat

[worthy oracle]

yes

[covert chasm]

i blame cirno

[shrewd edge]

there were SO MANY of you https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790411206803587083/819014522735689768/unknown.png

[fossil root]

The people must know, will VRChat 2 come with free 3D glasses.

[distant rampart]

the moment I can level up in a vrchat world come back and then use my magic powers to beat a dragon is the moment I dont come out of vr anymore.

[quartz fog]

TOPPER

[distant rampart]

[lucid rock]

fus > sus

[fossil root]

you heard the boss, it's cirno's fault

[quartz fog]

got it

[odd edge]

hehe

[quartz fog]

blaming cirno

[pearl loom]

I feel like I missed so many convos cus of work. What's the conclusion with the modding topics u were having?

[covert chasm]

wait, are those micro-fuservices? 😄

i'll see myself out

[shrewd edge]

yes

[distant rampart]

it died down for now it may pop up again later.

[odd edge]

yep many many mutual friends

[boreal ore]

They are discussing it internally That's all there is to it

[odd edge]

there were more outside that pic too lol

[shrewd edge]

dont jinx it

[distant rampart]

I know how people are its gonna happen xd but I'll wish for the best.

[odd edge]

time to stir uo chat again

[pearl loom]

Well they should make non malicious features official and part of the game. That much is obvious lol.

[sharp saddle]

Come visit me sometime, mang.

[worthy oracle]

the discord is never always this chill... late night hits different

[shrewd edge]

i have so many people ask/beg me the same thing :P

[pearl loom]

European times hit different

[distant rampart]

@sharp saddle I'll visit you rn and rob you in game.

[pearl loom]

Europeans are a different, calmer breed

[sharp saddle]

Oh no.

[distant rampart]

🔫

[sharp saddle]

Pls no rob.

[distant rampart]

Hands up

[hard burrow]

Late night is always chill. No one gives a single s*** about anything at this time of day.

[odd edge]

o ya also get more sleep :bonk:

[covert chasm]

[vocal shard]

true

[distant rampart]

I think most of the people got it out of their system for now.

[shrewd edge]

sleep is overrated

[distant rampart]

Jokes on you I don't believe in physical damage.

[fierce surge]

Tupper can a world creator make a udon script that attaches a name plate blocking shape to do the prop hunt thing or will they be moderated?

[covert chasm]

i mean, roll for disbelieving in the bullet

i won't stop you

[fierce surge]

Poggers

[distant rampart]

LAMO

[odd edge]

i will send 1 too many api requests dint make me!!

[worthy oracle]

illegal

[distant rampart]

Roll(1d4)+0:
3,+0
Total:3

[vocal shard]

wow vrchat team

[odd edge]

or like

[covert chasm]

a d4 for a disbelief? 🤔

[odd edge]

lock u in the server room

[shrewd edge]

oh no the poor api /w\

[distant rampart]

Thats it I'm hacking the dice.

[vocal shard]

I can't believe you would ban people for using tools that are totally not against your ToS
tyrants 😔

[pearl loom]

Give me your lunch money or I will send 2 api requests instead of 1, this is not a joke, you have been threatened

[covert chasm]

svel i'm going to throw something at you

[odd edge]

says the api abuser smh

[vocal shard]

😂

[fierce surge]

Tupper how much of your day is typically meeting with the team, and how much is this

[covert chasm]

uhhhhh

[odd edge]

all those spanks really affects a servers mental state

[covert chasm]

hmm

[boreal ore]

I thought importing the world SDK was slow. Fucking window's security eating up 30% of my cpu well unziping it

[distant rampart]

"tree and papercut are talking"

[vocal shard]

finally calmed down after 20 hours
I can finally unmute this channel

[fierce surge]

I’ll accept whatever you want to tell yourself or me

[odd edge]

25*

[pearl loom]

Imagine not having this server muted entirely

[distant rampart]

I mute all my servers even my own.

[covert chasm]

i'd say most of my day is like.. half design work, half community-related work, with meetings bursting through the door and breaking up my nice heads-down design time on stuff

[hard burrow]

It's slower uploading it if you are stuck with Coax Cable, like me.

[vocal shard]

i'm almost there
I hav 3 channels that are not muted...

[worthy oracle]

I mean.. whatever fusl is doing is working, cause servers aren’t as bad as they were a few weeks ago

[pearl loom]

I mute all servers

[covert chasm]

i don't usually sit on discord until 2am but people were up in arms and wanted answers, so i gave what little answers i had in hopes it'd help people chill a bit

[boreal ore]

@hard burrow Guess what i'm using 😄 A Coax Cable but my internet is fine I get a gig down

[fierce surge]

Ah the good old, “hey we’re having a meeting now” kinda day

[distant rampart]

I think they still want answers but it calmed for now.

[covert chasm]

[odd edge]

:o tups in west coast dox time

:pepehack:

[fierce surge]

I’m sorry I triggered that

[hard burrow]

But what's the Upload speed?

[boreal ore]

Like 100mbs

[vocal shard]

actually sorry if this has already been asked, but will we have an actual statement about all that modding drama ?

[slender hedge]

How do you use a mic if your using quest 2 through a pc

[pearl loom]

So when do we get to interact with each others hair and stuff officially? That's all I wanna know

[covert chasm]

if we have one, you'll see it

[hard burrow]

cries in 25mbs upload

[sour fog]

dude i saw a avatar that was 700 mb

[covert chasm]

if we don't... you won't. that's all i got, sorry

[distant rampart]

They are having internal talks about it as well apparently so its best to drop it for now.

[slender hedge]

If anyone knows lol

[distant rampart]

But I do expect it to get more chaotic later.

[boreal ore]

Should really pin that you are having internal talks about mod's

or an annoucment.

[vocal shard]

modding drama will never end

[covert chasm]

See, this is how the game of telephone begins

[pearl loom]

Global dynamic bones should be in the game, just saying

[vocal shard]

it's just a question, calm down

[distant rampart]

Dynamic Burritoes

[covert chasm]

all we said was "Yes, we're talking about this whole incident internally", but it has turned into:

Should really pin that you are having internal talks about mod's

[distant rampart]

Wym I was just answering you.

[covert chasm]

no no no, that is not what was said 😛

[devout berry]

Careful please... Every time someone pokes this "wasp nest", everything goes wild...

[vocal shard]

I mean it will at some point if everything is explained and worked around

[vocal shard]

not sure if that's gonna get anywhere tho

[vocal shard]

nothing goes wild when you have people willing to properly talk and not just shitpost about it

[fierce surge]

In all fairness Tupper I am really happy that I have had the opportunity to talk with you this evening, I know you all on the VRC dev team put your heart and souls into this game. Some people get angry when they get called out for breaking the rules that you put in place when making this game for us many years ago, and you deserve better from the community.

[pearl loom]

It doesnt go wild in european times. We have decency

And are able to listen and discuss

[distant rampart]

I'm expecting it to go wild again, but for now its calm so best drop it now and not spark it again.

It'll do it by itself anyway lmao

[odd edge]

tbh thats the goal. the bigger this gets the more attention from the devs itll get

[distant rampart]

I don't agree with spamming but I do agree with voicing opinions.

[fierce surge]

I need to sleep before I have class this morning in like 5 hours, but I’m honestly happy with the progress you and the team have made on VRchat and it really is something to be proud of!

[devout berry]

Yeah... I bet that the long avalanche was a mess started by Twitter users... Twitter is a drama factory.

[sour fog]

im just happy i can just play screen animations with friends and chill

[vocal shard]

pretty sure they know about it by now, so not really needed to make it even bigger...

[pearl loom]

I mean u literally have tupper in the chat listening to all of it. What bigger attention from devs u need?

[vocal shard]

it's all about working on improving vrchat

[distant rampart]

We had multiple team members lmao

[odd edge]

the modding community as a whole hasmt gotten any word from the devs

[covert chasm]

99% of the community is quite happy. Keep in mind that this Discord represents a subsection of a subsection of the whole community. An important, vibrant, rather loud subsection, but still. 😛 Don't worry about us. We're good.

That in mind, of course, I'm glad to chat as long as I've got time (ha) and it doesn't just turn into people trying to shout stuff down or "AHA" things we say. We just wanna make VRChat, dangit. I appreciate your message either way.

[vocal shard]

for now

[odd edge]

ive only heard that herp is in talks with some dev and i personally dont know any of the details

[distant rampart]

I mean people aren't just shouting too, there are some people who were calmly voicing their concerns but def some people who weren't calm.

[boreal ore]

Yeah Tupper,, I just meant something to let people know that they were heard instead of asking "mods?" over and over.

[odd edge]

yep

[boreal ore]

Any simple pin would lessen the questiioing I would hope*

[vocal shard]

an official word usually helps a lot to calm things down
most people don't really like being ignored
I'll just wait for that official statement, curious what will happen then

[distant rampart]

If you can hold a reasonable discussion and not just spam 🍉 It'll go alot more your way and less likely to you being muted.

[covert chasm]

I know, sorry, didn't mean to single you out. I just really don't like rumors and misinfo, 'cause I have to deal with it when it eventually gets out of control and someone horribly misquotes something I said weeks ago.

[fierce surge]

I know it represents a really small section of the community that gets angry, but they end up doing some pretty illegal things in anger over a decision made by the game, gotta worry for the safety of you guys cause of the crazies ;_;

[odd edge]

actuslly i dont think its small. mods are used by a fairly large percentage of the active community

[boreal ore]

The woes of working with A large community, Something is always misquoted and warped

[distant rampart]

But to be fair some have genuine concerns for passive stuff as well, its a slippery slope but its best to not keep sparking it.

[pearl loom]

If global/friend dynamic bones toggles can become official in 2021 I'll be happy

[covert chasm]

noted

wait, no

[pearl loom]

Sometimes u just wanna interact with your friends hair

[covert chasm]

"I read this."

[odd edge]

lol

[pearl loom]

[fierce surge]

I read this

[odd edge]

lets not get back to that

[covert chasm]

rofl

[distant rampart]

Oh I understand that I have a disc with 10k people and another with 3k, and I have to watch what I say or people try picking it apart or don't spread it right and make you look bad.

[fierce surge]

Guys

[odd edge]

? nono 42k and 35k

[boreal ore]

I read this

[fierce surge]

We’re getting global dynamic burritos in 2021

[distant rampart]

wat

[sour fog]

if i ever see tupper in a lobby ill kiss him (no homo)

[vocal shard]

oh boy, can't wait

[pearl loom]

I read this

[fierce surge]

Confirmed by Tupper

[vocal shard]

I like playing with 10 fps

[distant rampart]

And crud I miscalculated it was 16000

[hard burrow]

Read Today, 2:21 AM PDT

[distant rampart]

Not those servers

[covert chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2fnMxsdOpE

[vocal shard]

(don't mention them by name)

[odd edge]

meh its fine

[pearl loom]

That's why it's a toggle, for potatos like yours

[vocal shard]

potatoes ?

[odd edge]

o oops

if tupper rlly has an issue with me name dropping hell del

[distant rampart]

I meant I actually own 2 or basically own them and I understand the pain of misinformation

[covert chasm]

i'd rather you don't

[distant rampart]

[odd edge]

ah

deleted

[covert chasm]

ty

[vocal shard]

it's just in the rules
you do what you want, just telling you so you don't get unnecessarily kicked for it

[fierce surge]

Alright, real shiz I’m sleeping now, Tupper I’ll try to cludge a prop hunt game mode out of udon scripts by Friday and push it to you and some other content creators for feedback

[vestal delta]

i got 10fps on desktop mode this morning for some reason despite having a 2070 super and ryzen 5

[distant rampart]

Better processor helps I've noticed.

[covert chasm]

i am looking forward to it lol

[vestal delta]

far from a potato lmao

[pearl loom]

Yes
Potato pc

[distant rampart]

I have a 3070 and I can tank at times, but processors make a better difference.

[vocal shard]

pretty sure my PC doesn't qualify as a potato

[lucid rock]

oh no that name of a person who was typing

[sharp saddle]

Thought you were gonna visit me, Nep?

[distant rampart]

Are u actually on

[sharp saddle]

Uh-huh?

[distant rampart]

BISH

[pearl loom]

Still doesnt change the fact that it would be a toggle

[distant rampart]

IM COMING

[sharp saddle]

LOL. I thought you'd see me on.

[distant rampart]

im still a bit messed up

[vestal delta]

i should upgrade my cpu in general as im at 240hz on pancake/flat games which also helps with stronger cpu

[hard burrow]

Sign me up as a Beta Tester!

[distant rampart]

I had my first drinking party for my birthday

[sharp saddle]

Sober up.

[vocal shard]

doesn't change the fact that have a dozen of avatars with 3k+ dyn bone collision checks will still lag you out, no matter what PC you have

[pearl loom]

That's not the devs fault lmao

[fierce surge]

DM me with your vrc username and I’ll add you to it

[hard burrow]

Oh heck yeah

[gray rune]

To be fair, I've had times where the game lags where I'm the only one in my home world which is small and normally gives 90fps. This is coming from someone on desktop.

[vocal shard]

never said it was

[reef elk]

I wish commissioning avatars weren’t so expensive 😃

[vocal shard]

that's why you learn to do it by yourself

[reef elk]

I should

but i need a pc 😃

ill buy myself one sooner or later

then ill learn how

[vocal shard]

oh yeah still no answer hmmm

[twilit sonnet]

I hope you do see what the community is saying though, if mods are becoming a must for a large selection of users to enjoy your game then isn't that something that the team needs to take on board. I saw one of your previous messages about just giving the team time but the games been out on early access on Steam since 2017, isn't that enough time to implement even some of the most basic wants that the community has asked for and had to eventually end up using mods to get. I get things take time but I feel the way this has been dealt with wasn't great and the time you mention keeps cropping up every time users request the same features over and over for years.

-I've said my piece, if you'd like to respond to me feel free to dm me so I can get you stand point and side on what I've said, I appreciate this is a longer piece and thank you for reading it-

[dusk valve]

how does holoport work exactly? Does it rotates the entire world?

[vocal shard]

firends ?

sorry, friends

[twilit sonnet]

Holoport just moves your avatar with you being in a 3rd person perspective

[sharp saddle]

Like... what?

[pearl loom]

I think it rotates your avatar a certain degree

[sharp saddle]

Why do you need mods?

[dusk valve]

what i notice is that if you use holoport in a large world, it seems to lag a lot or maybe it's just me

[pearl loom]

Try not using holoport

[severe iron]

if a large portion of the community needs mods, they should prolly ask themselves why they are playing. of all this debate and dialogue I still havent seen someone give an example of the benefits of using a loader to mod your client

[sharp saddle]

Exactly.

[pearl loom]

Why should they ask themselves anything? Weird argument

[sharp saddle]

The only "benefits" I've seen are more avatar slots. That's pretty much it.

[severe iron]

wtf are you doing if you dont know why?

[vocal shard]

people mentionned a few things

[severe iron]

i didnt see, but i am smol brain ngl

[vocal shard]

like fixing the IK to not have the weird viewpoint shifting bug

[pearl loom]

Global dynamic bones, being able to interact with peoples clothes and hair is not something you really question "why you play the game"

[vocal shard]

someone also said he was disabled and having a mod helped to make sign language easier

[pearl loom]

Lol

[severe iron]

ahh, but isnt full ik not officially supported by vrc? im unaware tbh and i thought i read that somewhere

[pearl loom]

ik?

[sharp saddle]

Inverse Kinetics.

[pearl loom]

How does it make sign language easier?

Is it specific to index or not?

[obtuse edge]

I dont think ive ever experienced any issues with IK and Index?

[severe iron]

anything that makes asl easier should be respected

[twilit sonnet]

I never said I use mods, I was stating from a community standpoint and as for examples that users have mentioned: Dynamic bone interaction, bhaptic support, anti crashers such as shader blacklists, more safety settings such as being able to remove screen space shaders from all avatars, IK fixes, post processing toggling for worlds that don't have it by default, public avatar searching etc etc

[fossil root]

about local "IK" (cause nobody understands rig weights lmao)

As it is, Index controller players with skeletal input complain that their viewpoint isn't aligned.
And non-index controller players who have their viewpoint always aligned with their headset complain that their body stretches and compresses.

You CANNOT make everyone happy.
Especially on this issue. The only true fix would be a toggle

[severe iron]

maybe my english is poor on that, but anything that bridges the gap on communication barriers is worth commendation?

[pearl loom]

No wonder I hadnt had trouble signing, since I'm non index

All good then

[vocal shard]

it's used by vrchat so yes it is supported

[fossil root]

"public" avatar search is a privacy concern. A lot of people only mark an avatar as public because they want to share it with their small group of friends.

Considering VRChat's philosophy with avatars, this would be fixed with an "available to friends" options alongside "private" and "public"

And you would then see a LOT of public models go to friends-only

And as for allowing users to search avatars on pedestals of public avatar worlds, it removes the incentive to visit those worlds.

[obtuse edge]

I agree with the public thing

[odd edge]

the avatar search isnt all public ones

[twilit sonnet]

I do agree to some extent that there would need to exist an option for friends only for a system like that to be implimented

[odd edge]

its ones logged anf you have to deliberstely put them on the logged list also you can request for them to be taken off the redults

[sharp saddle]

One gripe I have with it is... they don't tag them properly.

[odd edge]

sorry my spelling is bad im in my phone

[fossil root]

I know, the avatar worlds row is sprinkled in with so much unrelated stuff

And the vrchat search in general is just, not a great experience

[sharp saddle]

Agreed.

Sure, it sucks, but it's not worth risking a ban over.

[pearl loom]

Just make it official and problem solved?

[odd edge]

actually i have yet to see a purge of mod users just authors

[fossil root]

why does searching "the great pug" give me everything containing "the", "great" and "pug" separately all in one list?

if I want worlds containing "the" I'll search "the"

[sharp saddle]

Fuzzy search is horrible.

[fossil root]

The problem is that fuzzy search is also needed to an extent

[vocal shard]

the friend only has been asked for several months

[fossil root]

in a world where we can't remember the name of anything properly, or spell things right

[vocal shard]

it was asked like the same day when they annoucned that private/public thing

[sharp saddle]

Eh, maybe. But what I'd like to see are search modifiers.

[fossil root]

refining search algorithms is hard, but it's fine, because there's libraries and existing code and guidelines in the wild on how to make search better

[vocal shard]

many examples like this one https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/friends-only-models

[sharp saddle]

I know Yeetus.

[vocal shard]

if you search for "avatar friends" on the canny you'll see a lot posts about that feature

which has been ignored for more than a year

[fossil root]

I know, if there's a feature you'd want to be in the game

there's a Canny post for it

That's the point of the Canny. Now, there are thousands of things everyone wants, let's give the team time. They've shown their ability to fix things. We just gotta be VERY patient

[vocal shard]

Sad you weren't here yesterday, frozen queue pack every 30 minutes which was requiring me to restart my game every 30 minutes. Other mods so your viewpoint doesn't jump out of your head during FBT, anti-crashing mods to prevent people from shader crashing you and such.

[wind zealot]

hl3 level of patient?

[distant rampart]

ngl

Hl3 will prob come out before some of the cannys.

[fossil root]

Valve is currently developing 2 Half-Life games and ||HL3 or at least episode 3 was hinted at the end of alyx|| < alyx spoilers

[vocal shard]

They've also shown their ability to tease things and never actually push them. Example being the UI update tease for over a year ago

[fossil root]

UDON was teased forever

Same for Avatars 3.0, and they came out

[vocal shard]

And what about small bugs, for example unpack queue being stuck, a small mod that took not long to make fixes it

[obtuse edge]

Other mods so your viewpoint doesn't jump out of your head during FBT
is there some way to force this to happen? because I have an index and FBT and I never experienced it huh

[vocal shard]

Can't be telling me that takes 9 months to fix (duration I've had this bug for)

[fossil root]

I dont know exactly what youre referring to

[vocal shard]

Friends of mine and I have it quite often, happens mostly if you lay down

[fossil root]

Is that where someone changes avatars right as you exit the world, and because their asset was loading, your game wont load the new world's scene?

[vocal shard]

Noh, basically avatars do download but won't ever load (remains at 100% green loading bar) and upon wanting to change instance or world, the world will stay stuck at 100% forever as well until vrc is restart

^ can't be the only one with this issue as a mod was made to fix it

[severe iron]

I'm sleepy but I appreciate the straightforward answer. Thanks for the insight

[obtuse edge]

I experienced it, once

[fossil root]

Never had it, you're the second person I've ever heard talk about it

[deep plume]

guys, do you think vr games on index with gtx 1060 6gb are going to be running semi-decent?

[vocal shard]

Some users (me for example) have it every 30 minutes

[fossil root]

Entirely possible that the developers haven't been able to reproduce it

[vocal shard]

The mod just adds an unblock button

[fossil root]

Do you have to do it manually?

[vocal shard]

If there is a mod fixing it they could just ask said mod developer for insight?

[fossil root]

That sounds like a bodge fix

[boreal heath]

They won't

[vocal shard]

Better than fully restarting your game

[steep gust]

I've had the same issue with the world will stay at 100% and never load

[vocal shard]

I know they won't just to say the excuse of not being able to reproduce it is kinda a bad one

[fossil root]

What's the point in implementing a bodge when you could track down the origin of the issue and fix it at the core.

This is the reason why stuff takes months/years to fix

[vocal shard]

If a mod is able to manually remove said block, that looks like enough insight to properly fix it, doesn't it?

[fossil root]

Why is it manual? does something bad happen if you click unblock when it doesnt need to be unblocked?

[vocal shard]

Nothing bad happens if you click unblock when it doesn't need to be

[austere linden]

[vocal shard]

Neither am I the mod developer, so as to why it's manual I don't know

[obtuse edge]

then why its a button :D

[fossil root]

^ Just run whatever the button does each time an avatar tries to load

[worldly summit]

Just wiggle your hip tracker with your hand and see your whole torse and head move up and down.

[vital thorn]

Do I need to download the latest unity for vrchat?

[fossil root]

You need 2018.4.20f1

Look on the VRChat documentation website for a Unity Hub link

[obtuse edge]

ah, I think I now know what you are talking about, I experience it only on slopes, because essentially, your avatar moves up the slope

[vocal shard]

You can still use unity 2017

[fossil root]

What would be the point in using a VRChat SDK that's over a year old?

[worldly summit]

It's a really big immersion breaker when someone tries to headpats you and they reach into your skull lmao

[vocal shard]

Because i downloaded the unity 2017 when they had that and it still works for vrchat

[fossil root]

The current Avatar SDK is only supported on Unity 2018

[wind zealot]

is that words or did you try lt
using it in 2017 version?

[vital thorn]

But you can use vrchat sdk old in latest unity right?

[fossil root]

You go to vrchat.com/home/download

and get the latest Avatars 3.0 SDK

[vocal shard]

Unity 2017 says it @fossil root but it still works

[vital thorn]

Only in 2018 is limited for avatar sdk then?

[fossil root]

@vital thorn
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version

[wind zealot]

it's best you get the latest supported version, else you might run into bugs

better safe than sorry

[fossil root]

Especially if you're not trying to update legacy content

There is NO REASON to get an older version of the VRChat SDK.

[wind zealot]

there always is

but usually it's "c the difference, i wanna see retro, etc"

[vocal shard]

If i get the new sdk version the blush problem would be fixed?

Bcs i've had transparecy problems with blush

[fossil root]

That's because you're using a cutout or opaque shader, or your texture is not RGBA, you need an RGBA texture or an alpha mask and a transparent shader.

[vital thorn]

2018 then I see, ok I will try to install it. Do u have the link for latest sdk as well that fits for unit 2018 version?

[fossil root]

@vital thorn look on the sidebar on that page

[wind zealot]

seems like #avatar-general / #avatars-2-general chat to me

[fossil root]

If multiple discussions begin in here and it can't be handled anymore, or if the avatar-related questions become too specific, they should be relegated to #avatar-help

But as it is, telling someone where to find the right version of Unity to upload content to VRChat isn't bound to a specific channel.

I've seen others do it, including moderators

[vital thorn]

But for sdk, does it have a latest one that might fits to unity 2018?

[vocal shard]

if you don't know how to download a unity version the nit's a #user-support-old issue

[vital thorn]

I know how to download and other programs as well. What I'm asking is that, does sdk has latest version that might fits to unity 2018?

[fossil root]

Yes, you get the SDK from vrchat.com/home/download

and you import it into a new project made in Unity 2018.4.20f1

(The supported version currently, and also the version of Unity VRChat is built on.)

[vocal shard]

read the doc https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/setting-up-the-sdk

[fossil root]

I said this already

[vocal shard]

cool for u xd

[obtuse edge]

from my experience, the whole avatar moves, not just the viewport so I never had that happen to me, huh

[fossil root]

If your controllers have finger tracking (Index controllers) your local avatar pose will match the remote pose which does not line up the avatar's viewpoint to the headset.
This is a bug.

If your controllers don't have finger tracking (Not Index controllers) your local avatar pose will stretch and compress the neck and chest and spine to match to the viewpoint. The remote pose does not match your viewpoint.
This is also a bug.

Fixing one brings back the other.
This is a dilemma.

[worldly summit]

It's not that the viewport moves but the head of the avatar isn't always in the right place. So when you interact with others they think your body is located somewhere else.

[obtuse edge]

hmm, I see

[wind zealot]

lmao public lobby is pure rofl

[obtuse edge]

since keybinds can already detect if index is used (and if hand gestures can be applied), I imagine it wouldnt be too difficult to make it switch the way how its posing depending on this status

[boreal ore]

It;s like a real public lobby in game I love iit

[obtuse edge]

I guess its a good thing that it doesnt bother me xD

I have very little gripes with vrchat, other than bad performance (which is often caused by avatar and world authors)

[fossil root]

@obtuse edge since the proper pose is sent to remote for non-finger tracked players. I am to believe making the default not line up for everyone would be easiest. And then adding a toggle.

Because both the viewpoint not lining up and the avatar stretching to line up the viewpoint are considered downsides, there should be a choice on the user

[worldly summit]

Well there is a way to fix the broken IK, but VRC has other plans 🤷‍♀️

[fossil root]

Read above.

Because avatars don't line up proportions-wise with the players using them (in most cases, shoutouts to people who spend time adjusting in blender). if you want the viewpoint to line up, there will always need to be some amount of jello. the only fix for this would be brain-controlled movement instead of trackers.

[obtuse edge]

mhm

its not a vrc issue

[warped thorn]

Brain controlled VR when?

[obtuse edge]

thats already a thing, sortof
there is a brain reader thingy which lets you interract with objects

[fossil root]

BCI is making great progress, but we're not at a point where a consumer device could read your movement intent through your brain

[obtuse edge]

yeah

[fossil root]

the closest we have is FRL and CTRL Labs' neural EMG wrist bracelet for hand tracking

[worldly summit]

I've seen other games handle the head way better than VRC. There's is a mod that fixes it as well. Head-viewpoint miss-allignment can be fixed by allowing the IK to bend the spine/chest and actually forcing the head to follow the viewpoints position. Local-remote desync can be fixed, not sure how the mod does it tho

[fossil root]

It understands movement in a nerve sense, and not in a positional sense, meaning that your intent and not the resulting pose can be used

[worldly summit]

It's just that FBT was never a real priority to the team it feels

Otherwise 10-point tracking would already be added

[fossil root]

@worldly summit I'm aware, that for example red logo game has decent IK (it feels a little like wearing an old coat that's too small, I prefer twisty wrists over unexpressive elbows) and fixes like that could be implemented.

You already need to threaten people at gunpoint to get them to watch Kung's fbt tutorial

[vocal shard]

i believe as of rn the biggest failure of vrc is the people running it. not to be offensive. but its ahrd to trust a dev team who say they listen to feedback from the communit when in reality that feedback is essentially ignored. if some devs truly want to make vrc better all power to em. but if there are those who intentinally hinder progress then they heads of it all shoudl conisder removing. right? cant have bad eggs spoil the meal right?

[fossil root]

You really think people will understand the subtle differences in various movement settings

@vocal shard Sounds like RMS at the FSF. I've always been weary of there being bad apples in the team. I want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I'm worried sometimes.

[vocal shard]

yea exactly. the reason people dont trust the devs here is cus all of there action i nthe last 2 years have jsut been awful and uninspiring. causing people to not only doubt their abilities but their integirty on top of it

[fossil root]

I haven't lost trust

[worldly summit]

Even Kung's fixes don't solve everything with FBT IK. Can't lay down on my side without my chest pointing in different directions

[fossil root]

Where did I say Kung's tutorial fixed everything?

[vocal shard]

in vr if you ask folks about thier opinons on the dev team. every so often you get so rather negative feedback

[fossil root]

I understand the business and development challenges of VRChat

Which is why I continue to trust the team

[obtuse edge]

I swear I never have these issues with FBT lol

[fossil root]

I only have the viewpoint stretching

[obtuse edge]

same

[fossil root]

but again, we know why it happens

[vocal shard]

me personally. i dont trust or not trust them but rather im highly catious

[fossil root]

same

[obtuse edge]

if I wanna lie down, I make sure that the hip tracker is on the side that will point up

[worldly summit]

I should probably just make a compilation of them and post it on the Canny. Maybe in 2 years it'll get fixed :P

[fossil root]

But I feel a lot of people antagonize the developers for a lot of things that they don't understand fully.

[boreal ore]

That really goes for any game with a largish community

[vocal shard]

right now they have failed to fix the statud edit issue thats been around for a month straight. when you edit your status it gets forced reset after a day. they havnt even adressed this at all

[worldly summit]

It's not really the devs fault, I think. It's more management being out of touch with what should be prioritized

Or stakeholders still blocking things

[fossil root]

oh, yeah, my status was appearing as OFFLINE, WHILE INGAME the other day. I just tossed it aside as a funny "API taking a dump, don't bother" thing

[vocal shard]

vrchat is like fallout 4. its the people not on the dev team who are straight making it better and keeping it alive.

[obtuse edge]

same, I see it happen now and then, and I believe its local, since others are able to invite me and everything

feels like people are bothered by very small tiny things, just so they have a thing to complain about :|

[umbral reef]

Thats like rule 2 of VRC culture

Thy has to be a cunt about things thy dont understand and got explained by a random person on the interwebs

[worldly summit]

Small things can be immersion breakers

[fossil root]

rule 1 of the internet*

[distant rampart]

I don't mind if they have issues heck even I have a issue with whats going on, just keep it civil.

[worldly summit]

Cuz they add up

[distant rampart]

The moment you start spamming or berating them is the issue.

[vocal shard]

what irks me is they cant make half decent mirrors that wont lag out half a damn lobby

[umbral reef]

Of the internet yea, rule one of VRC is anime and nsfw

[obtuse edge]

everyrthing has to be rendered twice...

[umbral reef]

Almost like mirrors reflect things and that computers dont like reflections 👀

[obtuse edge]

^

[worldly summit]

Mirrors make you need to draw twice as much. They're laggy inherently

[fossil root]

What a beautiful example of VRC Rule 2 ^

[obtuse edge]

this is what I am talking about xD

[boreal ore]

Murpys Law, Eaisest way to get the correct answer online is say the wrong thing

[distant rampart]

time to have mirrors reflect mirrors 🦄

[fossil root]

Thank you for the demonstration everyone.

[umbral reef]

Your calculations kindaish double when looking at a mirror
Thats why the 'optimized' mirrors can how far they render and how much they show
And why the 'most optimized' mirrors just render things in a lower quality back

[vocal shard]

i like to keep my framrate than kyou

[distant rampart]

i mean what framerate

[vocal shard]

fair

[distant rampart]

[umbral reef]

The one you can get by removing dbones colliders and flat out dbones on avatar around ya 👀

[worldly summit]

Too bad that the laggiest thing are people's avatars and not the world

[distant rampart]

They are now officially called "Burrito bones"

[umbral reef]

I approve of that new name

[vocal shard]

well optimized mirrors should realyl be the only mirrors. while they lag its signifigantly less

[distant rampart]

i asked one of them if they ever made their own dynamic bone system

[fossil root]

omg, I figured it out

[distant rampart]

To call them that to differentiate from dynamic bones

[fossil root]

avatar stretching to match viewpoint is there to help people without dynamic bones have more flow in their avatars!

/s

[worldly summit]

Lmao

[umbral reef]

Some PC's can handle the higher ones without a problem
Thats why they allow world creators to pick them and dont force just one onto them

[vocal shard]

thats like 2% of vrc users

[fossil root]

yo btw nara, thanks for fake gravity

[worldly summit]

I hate "optimized" mirrors, barely makes an impact on FPS for me

[distant rampart]

I noticed the game is more processor based, I jumped from a 1070 to a 3070 to no real differences a bit more stable tho, but processor changing helped alot.

[umbral reef]

You;d be amazed how well the game can run if people use medium or higher optimized avatars burlam
Even toasters can get above 2 frames then

[worldly summit]

Thank me when VRC allows constraints on quest 😩

[unreal verge]

Uh no

[vocal shard]

i just truly wish they would give us the search bar in the avatar tab. like why do we not have this yet?

[umbral reef]

As almost all the times your still bottlenecked by avatars and not the mirror itself

[fossil root]

oh, I know, Tupper said in the open-beta channel that they would be allowed eventually

"woah, you have dynamic bones?! but how!??!?!???"

[worldly summit]

Lmao

[unreal verge]

I don't get optimized mirrors that much either. Doesn't really make any difference for me

[fossil root]

their poor little brush brain can't handle the idea of optimized hair gravity

[edgy valley]

I think that world creators should give the choice between optimized & immersive versions of mirrors.

[unreal verge]

If a mirror lags me then it doesn't matter if i use optimized or not, i can only solve this by disabling the mirror

[worldly summit]

It's not really optimized tho. A script could do it better

[fossil root]

it's immensely faster to compute than dynbone

[vocal shard]

bruh your aparment is super lit for a realively low poly neon world

[worldly summit]

It's like 3 constraints to make a thing look down

[umbral reef]

Just make an AI clone of the avatar that mirrors every movement

[edgy valley]

@vocal shard 💙

[vocal shard]

ive made it my home world a few diffrent times now

[edgy valley]

The way that optimized mirrors tend to work (not including the neat 2D mirrors) is that they simply only show specific layers.

also, thank you!

[vocal shard]

mirrors VS avatar search function. search function wins by a landslide

[edgy valley]

wait, it was a choice between the two?

[vocal shard]

lol

[distant rampart]

give me both

[fossil root]

avatar search versus money to buy more booth models?

[edgy valley]

Yeah, i was gonna say, definitely both

[vocal shard]

ppl have been saying this what for 4 years now?

[umbral reef]

Might be that i am still in the old VRC mindset and wanna keep the game like that
But id rather that they fix the world search, make it easier to find avatars and add an avatar search where worlds list what avatar types they got instead of directly pulling an avatar from 'somewhere'

[fossil root]

^ I like that

you find the avatar, but still have to go to the world

[umbral reef]

Indexing worlds better would solve a lot

[edgy valley]

In reality, considering that simply pulling usernames of friends is pretty intensive on API calls, I can't fathom how any calls would come from searching for public avatars.

[umbral reef]

I dont want my 'OR' searching i want 'AND' searching >:C

[edgy valley]

Not saying it'd be a bad thing, it would be amazing, but I don't actually think their servers can handle that.

[hazy nymph]

How many things have people been wanting for years that still haven't been remotely addressed i wonder 🤔

[umbral reef]

@edgy valley Thats also why i said what i said, your just pulling world with tags instead of billions of avatars

And world searching be quick as fuck and we already have tags

[unreal verge]

I would make it so you can search avatars, it also displays an example but to actually use it you have a button to join the world

[vocal shard]

too many. avatar search is a basic feature. the fact we dont have that means nothign we ask for in the years to come will ever happen. even simple bug fixes

[umbral reef]

Man my brain is so stuck with how avatars worlds worked when i started that i forgot we have avatar icons instead of showing the full avatar

[hazy nymph]

Its almost like we need community members to fix the game with their own tools oh wait

[vocal shard]

ikr. and now them folks in the crosshairs for doing something good lol

[fossil root]

did they remove the wavy shader on the thumbnails? I swear they did

[hazy nymph]

There was a shader on the thumbnails?

[edgy valley]

Yeah, when there's a physical pedestal.

[hazy nymph]

Oooohhh i haven't been to an avatar pedestal in at least a full year

[edgy valley]

I don't actually know why they use that shader, considering that it obfuscates the avatar.

Maybe so it doesn't show low-quality mipmapping? Aesthetic? Not actually sure why it exists

[fossil root]

it also tends to break in mirrors

[hazy nymph]

Probably some weird type of non standard shader?

[wanton kelp]

for fun teehee

[edgy valley]

Not sure because I haven't done that myself, but it might just be that whatever layer the shader is rendered isn't used by default in mirrors.

[fossil root]

it is rendered in mirrors, it just looks awful

[edgy valley]

Ah, it probably counts the distance from where you're at rather than actually mirroring the shader.

[fossil root]

wow I wouldve never thought of that, but it makes a whole lot of sense

[edgy valley]

VRCMirrors are a different kind of magic

[hazy nymph]

Anti how are you this smart still in your current state

[edgy valley]

i'm activated

[distant rampart]

I'm tired.

[edgy valley]

i feel that

[hazy nymph]

Same

[distant rampart]

I had one heck of a party and I was gonna go to bed but the stuff going on made me wanna stay up

I regret it now

[fossil root]

btw, I was thinking about doing something

[distant rampart]

so ima sleep, gn ya'll

[edgy valley]

have a good night

[fossil root]

but I'd like someone with a little tiny bit of UDON knowledge to tell me if its even doable

[hazy nymph]

I've been trying to fall asleep for 2 hours now until I joined the chat

[fossil root]

I wanted to take the avatar IDs I've collected through vrcx of my favorite lists over the last few months, and shove them into a .txt, have an udon script parse it into a scrollable list on a ui panel, and be able to click on the avatar in the list and switch to it. and put it in a private world.

I already have the poorman's version of this where I have a world with so many pedestals it lags my game

[hazy nymph]

Neat idea

[fossil root]

its like those mods that give you infinite favorites, except tos-abiding, and with extra steps, and udon!

[rancid lantern]

That sounds neat!

[warped thorn]

Oh ungh. I just realized April Fool's Day is approaching. And is gonna actually land on the Internet in a few hours.

[fossil root]

cant wait for google tulip

https://youtu.be/nsPQvZm_rgM

[hazy nymph]

It'd be great if we could get infinite favorites since there's no reason for a limit

[prisma night]

I've seen a world like that, with a tablet-like interface to select avatars

[fossil root]

hmmm

[edgy valley]

The limit is part of their monetization system with VRChat plus, if i recall correctly

[fossil root]

I know UDON can switch avatars, but would it be able to read a .txt in my project and have that included as an asset in the world?

so I could just update the txt and reup the world

[hazy nymph]

Gross, also can't pepe post in here so double gross

[prisma night]

I think so, worse case scenario you have to hardcode it but I don't think it would take long

[edgy valley]

Hardcoding it in either SDK2 or SDK3 would be pretty easy as long as you know how canvases in Unity work

[umbral reef]

Pepe got free'd.
We can post him again

[edgy valley]

Or you can be a chaotic individual and make individual buttons

[prisma night]

If you're familiar around bash you can automate it completely

[hazy nymph]

No can't post outside emotes

[fossil root]

oh, I can copy pypydance

make it a numerical input panel, with a huge numbered list

[opal juniper]

udon doesn't directly switch avatars, but it can set the avatarid of a pedestal and then activate the pedestal

[fossil root]

ah, that works

[umbral reef]

Ohh you meant like that, yea gotta do the boost thingy for that.
But #general-media allows all emotes

[prisma night]

You could also make a scrollable list

[fossil root]

obviously it would scroll

[opal juniper]

you'll have to wait about 1 second after changing the ID for it to load before you can activate it. Which is super easy now that you can use sendcustomeventdelayed

[hazy nymph]

I'm too stupid for this

[prisma night]

I meant without a numerical input, just a scrollable selectable list

I don't know if udon has a way to parse external data from internet, but I'm gonna assume it doesn't

[hazy nymph]

External isn't in vrchats vocabulary

[fossil root]

well, yeah it does

just very very convoluted

web server sends video, udon reads frame

[edgy valley]

If I remember properly, they even used to let websites be on panels

[fossil root]

yeah, and that was obviously abused

[hazy nymph]

Abused how ?

[fossil root]

you can make people's games load any webpage from their local pc

do you not see how this can be easily abused?

[edgy valley]

They found a security flaw that people used and then disabled the feature

They did say that they were looking into alternatives

[fossil root]

the alternative was playmaker, which was eventually canned, and then it was udon

and we still dont have proper external communication with udon

[barren rune]

hey what type of software do i need to create an avatar

[pearl loom]

Blender
Unity
Whatever

[tepid flume]

what about mods tho

[vocal shard]

real questions

[unreal verge]

@tepid flume the melon in your name makes me hungry after melons

[pearl loom]

Mmm watermelon

Delish, juicy and screams summer

[dawn grail]

🍉

[cedar wave]

😋

[vocal shard]

@unreal verge Vrchat without Melons 🍉 is not the same

[vocal gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-melon-gif-5992688

aw

[novel peak]

Hello everybody! I moved from Quest to PC and instead of being a visitor for ages I wanted to become a User and so on and so forth. How do I put in my steam sign in into VRChat? I tried but it said it was invalid. Any tip on what’s going on?

[vocal shard]

You are gonna need to make a vrchat account, merge it with your steam, and then sign in with that new account @novel peak

pretty sure there isnt a way to sign into a steam only account on the quest or an oculus only account on PC

[vocal gorge]

he said he went to PC i thought

[novel peak]

The thing is when I started the game on PC I used “Sign In with Steam” option. Now I can’t just regularly put my login into their website

[vocal shard]

you can't because you need a vrchat account

or one merged with

[novel peak]

Oh ok. Sorry for the trouble, but will I lose my aviators because it’s a new account?

[vocal gorge]

think so yea

[vocal shard]

no you shouldn't, its supposed to transfer over all your friends, favorites and shit but if it doesn't just go tell support

[novel peak]

Ok, thank guys!

[vocal shard]

yw

boutta end mysel-

i have the vrm ready but i cant build and test it

and i got an email that i can now make avatars

it dont make no sense

help pls

[regal furnace]

unity doesnt support VRM models afaik

[vocal shard]

yeah you have to get a package for conversion

weight paint is usually pretty broken around the shoulders so I would convert it into blender, then into unity but then it crouches weird

makes me want to make my own walking running etc animations

what about a prefab

its a prefab