vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

imagine banning people that lurk and read stuff smh my head.

[bleak thorn]

Morning, everyone!

[sick valley]

Most times it’s a bad thing too:)

[vocal shard]

My advil meds argggg

pirate time ⚔️🏴‍☠️

[sick valley]

pew pew

[vocal shard]

yo wat

pirates got them glock 9s yessir

come up on yo ship

what audio issue

[latent obsidian]

imagine the harmless mods that do nothing wrong

[sick valley]

just watch and eat some popcorn

[twin river]

Modification of the VRChat Client is against their ToS, so banning those creators is fair game. Just would have been nice to see some of the features those mods have been implementing for years, of which thousands of users have enjoyed using, added naively.

[latent obsidian]

well, perhaps they should listen to the people playing the game, instead of banning everything that made people enjoy it just a little more

[vocal shard]

flying and speed would be dope

custom ui color too

[twin river]

Eh, wouldn't expect those first two to be added. If map creators want those in their world, they can do it themselves.

[wind zealot]

vrc+

[vocal shard]

lmao I wouldnt be suprised if they put that on vrc+

[thorn fern]

MoNeY

[vocal shard]

more the reason to pay for it though

[candid temple]

bruh, why am I gonna pay more than I do for a WoW sub for things that should be base game?

[vocal shard]

paying to get bonus content that isn't even needed to play the game
against paying for the privilege to play an outdated game
really makes you thonk

[latent obsidian]

correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it be better if the player base ran most of the game?

[candid temple]

the amount to pay to get access to a full ass game vs more money to get access to a few more avi slots and an icon. theres some value issues here

would you rather I said pay more than I do for netflix? better comparison?

[vocal shard]

except you don't need to pay anything to play vrchat, it's free
you just get some more stuff if you think it's worth it
because you have the choice to pay or not for it

to use netflix or play WoW, it's mandatory to pay

[latent obsidian]

until the day it’s required

[candid temple]

youre right but Id rather support the game by paying for it and get this QOL as a baseline rather than fall for a stupid scheme of inflated value with nothing to offer and still see the game die

[steep ginkgo]

Yeah they really need to add much more asap otherwise i will cut my vrc+ also. Thought there will be much more coming fast

[drifting plaza]

^

[vocal shard]

then cut it

don't pay for it

and mention in the canny that you need more levels of content to make it worth

there are several canny posts about it already

[candid temple]

I dont. But we are still allowed to criticize their marketing platform for being completely assassinate and alienating

exactly, there are several canny posts about it already. Half the time they don't care. It's almost like this game hasnt been around with the same issues of playerbase not being listened to

[vocal shard]

don't forget that vrc+ is advertised as a donation first and not a "dlc"

[candid temple]

yes but it puts QOL stuff that should be in base game behind an ridiculously high paywall.

[vocal shard]

at least it was when it was freshly out, dunno about it now, kinda stopped following that shitshow tbh

what QoL ?

[latent obsidian]

I remember tweeting out at the vrc team at one point, I never got a response

[drifting plaza]

Quality of Life @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

just more avatars slots and a profile pictures

25 avatars is already a lot imo

[wind zealot]

yeah, what is qol in vrc lmao

[candid temple]

hell no its not lol

[vocal shard]

yeah it is

[drifting plaza]

No its not lmao!

[gritty obsidian]

what does vrc+ do

[vocal shard]

after 4 years I only have 16 favorited avatars

[regal furnace]

ah yes, all the new people complaining about only having 25 avatar slots for free, when a lot of people started without favourites at all

[latent obsidian]

Basically cosmetic stuff

[odd blaze]

0 favorited 🤷‍♂️

[candid temple]

For the amount of love and effort content creators put into avatars and variants and the mount of situations and worlds there are, 25 is absolutely nothing, and lets not forget they only up'd it to that recently

[vocal shard]

yeah I'm sure you use your 100 avatars every single day

[latent obsidian]

Nothing really epic about it

[gritty obsidian]

oh

[latent obsidian]

and technically if you make avatars it’s basically useless to you cuz you can creat as many avatars as you want

[drifting plaza]

Yes in fact I do 😉

[candid temple]

its true, for uploaded files the favorites dont matter as much, but for sharing created content easily its important to a lot of people. and if you can have multiple favorited world lists whats the difference with having the same for avatars? its one thing just not to have it (which is dumb), its another thing to charge so much money for such a slight increase anyway

[sick valley]

I have my slots full yet I only use 2 at most

[drifting plaza]

I use E v E r Y a V a T a R

[latent obsidian]

I rarely change avatars

[candid temple]

yeah, do you go to every world every day, yet we have the ability to favorite way more of those?

Im just saying, you dont have to use it to its full potential but its silly not to have for the large group that would, and even worse to put it behind such a high teir paywall. thats all im saying

[sick valley]

I just don’t see a use of favoriting a world when I can just poof into it anytime regardless of it being at the top of my list or not

[drifting plaza]

🤔

[latent obsidian]

I just don’t see why we can’t just enjoy ourselves in basically the closest thing to sword art online or something

[sick valley]

Besides, is VRC+ even beneficial to quest users?

[latent obsidian]

No, it ain’t

Cant even get it

[flint timber]

Does buying the + thing give you the ability to upload custom avatar sooner?

[latent obsidian]

I made a new account because I needed a vrc account, and it didn’t take long to be able to upload avatars and worlds

[pearl loom]

Yes

[sick valley]

I don’t have + but I have the ability to make Avis

[pearl loom]

But you get the ability to upload avatars super fast anyways

For free

[sick valley]

Understandable

[pearl loom]

Make like 5 friends and boom ur new user

[latent obsidian]

so another thing that is pointless to those who already have the ability

[sick valley]

I was so tired of looking at (Visitor) over my name for the longest

[pearl loom]

It's a rank boost, it's not a "upload avatars sooner" thing

Meaning its relevant if you are below trusted

[latent obsidian]

still stands

[pearl loom]

The most important feature of vrc+ is the picture next to your name

The rest is barely noticable if at all

[latent obsidian]

I sense sarcasm

[sick valley]

Literally useless then

[vocal shard]

no. its 100 av slots

[sick valley]

Still useless

IMO at least

[vocal shard]

true

vrc+ is not worth it

[latent obsidian]

the profile picture shoulda been part of the game itself, not something you can buy

[vocal shard]

^

[pearl loom]

Wether it's useless or not is for every individual person to decide for themselves

[sick valley]

That’s very true but it’s just my personal opinion on it

[vocal shard]

yeah

comes down to that

lets redpill them then

🤣

[latent obsidian]

omo

[vocal shard]

🟥

[sick valley]

[pearl loom]

If vrc+ gave great benefits you would be crying about "pay to win"
So it's not really possible to satisfy you

[wind zealot]

so true

[latent obsidian]

what would you be winning at though

[pearl loom]

If you have vrc+ rework ideas, list them out and share with the community

[latent obsidian]

popularity?

[pearl loom]

Tell us features you want

[sick valley]

At the end of the day, if it’s worth buying for the pay to win aspect then yes maybe I’d consider getting it

[vocal shard]

if they had a pay to win perk it better be a one time payment

[vocal shard]

are ya winning son

[sick valley]

^

[candid temple]

if it were great benefits it would be reason for me to support a game I love

[wind zealot]

the main way of solving it is to have it be an addition, and not feel like something that should be part of the base package, that's all i can say lmao

[clear fog]

how would a social game have p2w features

[vocal shard]

like you only need to pay once for it permanently

no clue

[latent obsidian]

yes I’m slaughtering my enemies in doom

[vocal shard]

Id pay a one time 10 bucks for native fly and speed perm

[wind zealot]

i am still going to say how it's all in dollars, has only english language and no support for other currencies

[limber garnet]

To be fair, a free game has to monitize itself somehow to stay afloat.

[flint timber]

Ty for answering , Ill just go play some more

[latent obsidian]

if they wanna be cool with vrc+, at least put something truly worth it

[candid temple]

of course, but make it worth monetization

[vocal shard]

"pay to win" in a social game
what ?

no support for other currencies WHAT?

[wind zealot]

not if it dares to do that without fixing big problems

[limber garnet]

Tru

[vocal shard]

its on steam

you can pay with literally anything. even ur trashy steam cards

[sick valley]

It’s literally just like ARK, great game but MAJOR shit problems

[wind zealot]

well idk, i never played ark...

[limber garnet]

I don't dare play ARK.

[latent obsidian]

ark is awesome, can definitely tell ye that

[candid temple]

i just stopped playing ark for a bit yesterday cause I STILL ran into the bug where all your uploaded survivors and dinos get wiped during an xfer

was not happy

[limber garnet]

Since it turns my computer into a nuclear reactor overloading.

[sick valley]

Well take it from someone who has 2k hours playing it and knowing all the faults in the system

[sick valley]

It’s ridiculous isn’t it? Lost 2 maxed characters already

[latent obsidian]

what sucks though is because on roleplay servers, trolls end up joining and ruin the fun of it or you run into and meet horrible douche bags

[candid temple]

same. two max characters and three maps worth of dinos

[wind zealot]

tf2 guy here xd

[sick valley]

Despite it being a game, 2k+ hours wasted on it kinda gets annoying

[wind zealot]

the game that now doesn't let you talk if you're f2p instead of making VaC run as root on linux

[vocal shard]

whats f2p

free2play

[wind zealot]

^

[latent obsidian]

four now, counting genesis

bout to be five with genesis part 2

[cosmic shale]

Yes, which is basically impossible because every feature in a social game should come with the base package.

[candid temple]

exactly. i probably only had 900 hours worth of stuff but STILL. 900 HOURS

[sick valley]

I know your pain

[latent obsidian]

this is why I play on pc sessions only

easy comebacks

[sick valley]

The fact they messed up the date and we have to wait 2 extra months to even play the map. They always delay releases yet it’s always broken

[latent obsidian]

hey, doesn’t mean it’s not cool as hell

[latent obsidian]

I want that tech bow so badly

[sick valley]

I want that new Tek wyvern lol

[latent obsidian]

Yes

Just yes

[sick valley]

[latent obsidian]

oh, and you start out with a suit of tek

I also want that beautiful lion creature

[sick valley]

So I’ve heard

I wonder if that’s a boss though, if not that’s the first thing I’m taming

[latent obsidian]

I mean it makes sense, your dragged into the ship with the suit on

[sick valley]

Haha yeah, the way AMC ended (that’s if you beat it) it makes sense

[latent obsidian]

ye

[sick valley]

Especially with the trailer, so pumped

[latent obsidian]

They still need to fix that damned tek atv

[sick valley]

That’s if they even wanna fix it

I miss ripping through the map

[latent obsidian]

if they don’t wanna they should just remove it

[sick valley]

^^

[latent obsidian]

no point in having something they’ll never fix

[sick valley]

Honestly, I’m more excited for the incubation system

[latent obsidian]

Yes

I wanna be able to not get annoyed while trying to get the right heat or cold

[dense violet]

hey ik this is annoying but does anyone have any really cursed videos

[sick valley]

The amount of dinos I raise/birth + the tribe I’m joining going into Gen 2, we’re gonna need about 50 of them

[latent obsidian]

I wonder if you can get those robots you see at the beginning of the trailer

[cosmic shale]

Wonderful. I think the bot being stupid makes this channel crash my mobile discord

[candid temple]

you mean, vrc? lol

[latent obsidian]

omo

[sick valley]

I hope so, if not then I’ll just kill them

[cosmic shale]

Not anymore I guess

[latent obsidian]

I want a robot army damnit

terminator

[dense violet]

All they need to do is stop adding features for just a minute and fix bugs

[sick valley]

I wonder if the big legged robots are replacing the Titan

[dense violet]

and solve the age restriction isue

all the little gremlin children

[sick valley]

13+ shouldn’t even be an option. 18+ should be the req and under that should have a different server

[cosmic shale]

What a hot take

[candid temple]

ideal but not realistic

[cosmic shale]

13 and up is perfectly balanced

[sick valley]

Can only dream

[dense violet]

Normally its 14+ wich could be bearable but all you have to do is give a fake age and your in

[cosmic shale]

Of course, not everyone has the eyes to see that

[sick valley]

Might be balanced but the amount of 6 year olds swearing up a storm and saying shit they don’t even know is annoying at times

[cosmic shale]

Yes, but they're under 13 and shouldn't be on there in the first place or even own a vr headset

[latent obsidian]

bigger question

[dense violet]

preach

[sick valley]

Can’t we report them for being on the game anyway?

[candid temple]

Would be interesting to see if they implemented more partitioned versions of worlds/servers to be all ages vs 18+

But again, anyone could put whatever age they wanted to in their account settings
wouldnt matter

[dense violet]

yes but that never works

[latent obsidian]

Why in the name of god are little kids being little shit haters, especially saying “kill all furries”, the amount of times I’ve seen em

[sick valley]

Figured that was the case

[sick valley]

They wanna try and act cool and be accepted

[candid temple]

i mean.. they might have a point. (i kid i kid)

[latent obsidian]

that’s not how you be cool

that’s how you gain enemies fast

[regal furnace]

then someone should tell them

[dense violet]

Alright though Intellectually thinking its not the little kids, ITS JOSHDUB

[sick valley]

That’s what I say but no one listens nowadays

[cosmic shale]

They'll grow out of it, they just shouldn't be on any form of social media before they do

[latent obsidian]

clearly

[sick valley]

Little shits man, one day they’ll learn

[dense violet]

They wouldn't have started playing either if joshdub wasn't making all the childish jokes and ruining VR chat for everyone

[latent obsidian]

my plan is to smack every single furry hater I meet, don’t care if it’s legal or not, need to learn not to piss someone off with their hate

[cosmic shale]

Most kids tend to be more mature by 13, and slowly get better from then on

[sick valley]

Then people bitch and moan about it afterwards

[candid temple]

lies. i know 18 year olds that are still stupid af

[sick valley]

Me lmao

[wind zealot]

I'm a live example

[dense violet]

yeah like after 13-like 15,16 they are pretty chill just kinda hard to vibe with

[cosmic shale]

Hey, I said most
I met someone who sounded like a grown ass woman and started bitching at me for blocking "her man"

[sick valley]

18+ and still learning my own issues but at least I know the difference between being a complete idiot and just flat stupid

[wind zealot]

lol i don't xd (kill me)

[dense violet]

Its a social measurement. If you a good socialist then your fine but if not you just need to find your own way of interacting

[sick valley]

Hahaha

[wary canopy]

question: vrchat broken again? Keep getting disconnected (timed out)

[cosmic shale]

I don't think that's what a socialist is

[sick valley]

Nope just keep hitting okay and you’ll load back in

[dense violet]

possibly who knows anymore they won't fix the bugs

[sick valley]

But I’m being spam invited, I’ll talk to y’all in a bit

[dense violet]

ya

[latent obsidian]

I’ve seen adult haters and when I make a point or ask why they hate furries, they say stupid crap like “stfub” or “do you yiff?” dont look that up and I tell them to maybe take a look at the community and not just the damn ||porn||

no.

[candid temple]

Im boomer so i understand there is a seperation in mentalities even from the "older" youths, so i try just to stick to my group for the most part. but we have a couple 18-21 year olds and they arent terrible, but the rest are all lower/mid/upper 20s, with a couple low 30s

[latent obsidian]

👀

[dense violet]

wat

[candid temple]

_>

[wind zealot]

....

[potent fern]

i just got vr chat

[wind zealot]

i saw that....

[dense violet]

I was gonna say both are great

cough

[latent obsidian]

have you seen the community?

[dense violet]

yes

[latent obsidian]

hand jesters to ray why can’t people be like this guy

[dense violet]

Most people think of like little gremlins tryin to probe you but

Don't be like me

Addicted to hentai anime and monster

[latent obsidian]

well you’ve seen the community

[vocal shard]

Those are literally the only reasons for why people hate furries so I agree with you lol

[dense violet]

yeah they are really chill most of the time

[latent obsidian]

I even have a great friend group and a boyfriend

who are all furries

[dense violet]

Don't get me wrong I joke about furries all the time but mean no disrespect

[vocal shard]

So do I and I’m one

[latent obsidian]

depends on the jokes

[dense violet]

Yes I make fun off them directly but only humorously

[latent obsidian]

I will become the toaster mech

[vocal shard]

Lol

I am a living carpet

[latent obsidian]

dont test de toaster ÒwÓ

[dense violet]

friend of mine calls them teddy bears if they are actually like furry

I don't

[latent obsidian]

I hope not

gud, you’ve been blessed by toaster

[dense violet]

I mean it also depends. Ik there are furries out there that can be toxic

[latent obsidian]

well those furries I don’t associate with

[vocal shard]

Same

[latent obsidian]

There are three kinds of furries

[rugged zodiac]

what's a furry? :3

[cosmic shale]

Yeah, you can be a furry and not associate with the community

[vocal shard]

I hope that’s a joke lol

[dense violet]

say sike rn

[latent obsidian]

Wholesome very nice and caring furries, toxic asshat furries, and yiffers

[cosmic shale]

Oh har har

[dense violet]

QUESTION

[latent obsidian]

Hm

[vocal shard]

And also the squeakers that call themselves furries when they aren’t

[cosmic shale]

And a considerable amount of them are a mix between some of those

its not simple-

[dense violet]

ever seen a female furry that wasn't an ass

[vocal shard]

Yes, my gf

[regal furnace]

yes

[dense violet]

same but like other than them

[vocal shard]

Yes

[wind zealot]

...

[cosmic shale]

Only one... So

[dense violet]

Damn now I sound like an ass. 😆 sorry

Hehe nvm

[vocal shard]

No you’re fine

[latent obsidian]

there’s probably a full group of furries out there that are just assholes to everyone

[vocal shard]

Yes and I’ve met that group it sux lol

[latent obsidian]

well then

[wind zealot]

idk i tolerate furries as long as it's not: fursuits, zoophiles

[latent obsidian]

what’s wrong with fur suits?

[dense violet]

a man of wisdom

[vocal shard]

I mean I wouldn’t mind getting a mask or something

[wind zealot]

if i have to explain that, then it's a problem

[unreal verge]

I'm only furry in VRChat, IRL not at all

[wind zealot]

mask is not a full on full body suit

[latent obsidian]

I plan to make a protogen fursuit with my boyfriend , gonna be all decked out with cool leds and mechanical stuff

[vocal shard]

That might genuinely be pretty cool

[latent obsidian]

well yeah

[potent fern]

i like furrys (: the nice ones

[buoyant ginkgo]

I have a number of furry friends and they're pretty cool.

[latent obsidian]

s why protogens are my favorite species, they are so customizable and really cool

[unreal verge]

Yes

[wind zealot]

same ngl

[latent obsidian]

like I’ll show ye my protogen if ye want to see it

[vocal shard]

Yea I’m a Rex and I look like a t-Rex lol

[cosmic shale]

The problem is that there’s nothing particularly wrong with a fursuit other than they’re expensive as all hell

[dense violet]

I have the "what is your favorite tooth paste" "windex" protogen meme

[latent obsidian]

Yes

awe I can’t share normal art here

[dense violet]

It depends on the humor and how the fursuit is used

[cosmic shale]

You can share images in random chat

[latent obsidian]

oh

[cosmic shale]

Let’s assume it’s being used completely normally

Since most of them do

[dense violet]

fukin mood

jk jk but they chill

[vocal shard]

We all must admit that some of the non padded ones look like morphed carpet lol

[latent obsidian]

I mean, I don’t think it would be all that comfortable to be doing all that in a fursuit

[cosmic shale]

Oh yes, no one said every fursuit looks nice

[vocal shard]

Agreed

[cosmic shale]

I’ve seen great ones and not so great ones

[dense violet]

I found the protogen meme its in random

[vocal shard]

Nice

Welp imma go mow lawns lol nice talking to y’all

[buoyant kelp]

here's a big paragraph. ive posted it a few times but havent had much luck. i know its spammy but im not trying to be spammy, so im sorry. ill try to shorten it somehow over time . anyway

Hello, my name's Katie. I'm looking to make some genuine long term friends. I usually feel really lonely & I just want to find people who care and want to hangout n shit. I can be hard to deal with, in part because I'm very insecure, fragile, weird, awkward and everything and I don't feel okay most of the time. I would love to hug, cuddle and hangout on VRChat with some people if possible too.

I'm 18, trans-female (she/her), and Canadian.
I love cats, The Office, B99 and Parks and Rec, chill music, talking to people, and gaming (i.e. Apex, Siege, Rust, VRChat, Pavlov)

I'm usually sorta shy and not-so-talkative at first, and I forget to reply sometimes so please be aware of this and I'm very sorry in advance.
I'll try to match the effort you give in but, again, I'm just not feeling super great lately, so I'm sorry if I don't do very good. Its a bit hard to invest myself into ppl at the start, or just in general though because of shit like abandonment issues.
Feel more than welcome to DM me and thank you for reading. I'm more than happy to find some friends, because I don't really have many if any and I need some long-term ones for once. (Yes it's a bit lengthy. This is my best way of going about making friends, so i'm sorry lol)

[late void]

Hello katie

[honest forge]

hola

[latent obsidian]

omo

Hai

[coral temple]

very based introduction

[regal furnace]

👋

[buoyant kelp]

biased

[honest forge]

my adhd is refusing to let me read that so hard rn

[coral temple]

dud same. my brain was like PAIINNNN

[honest forge]

i keep going backwards and losing where i am lol

[dense violet]

I late hi katie how you doin

[dense violet]

Fuckin mood

[buoyant kelp]

sorry lol

i can relate i guess. i have adhd too but i dont feel hyper most of the time, its just my attention span being fucked up usually and shit

[dense violet]

I drink moster to calm me down

katie do you play vr tho?

vrc*

[buoyant kelp]

yeah lol that's why i'm here

i don't really play often tho bc i dont have people to play with.

[buoyant kelp]

oh shit sorry, im uh ok i guess. you?

[buoyant kelp]

hello :-;

[dense violet]

Oh I'm fine

[fossil rock]

hey
how long did it take for you guys to get your first trust rank to be able to upload your own avatar?

[buoyant kelp]

that's good lol

[dense violet]

I don't make my own anymore. I'm not to great at it

[regal furnace]

20 hours playtime and one friend

[fossil rock]

oof

[coral temple]

8 hours

[dense violet]

now, why?

now, why ask here

[hexed raven]

hello frends

[dense violet]

200+ hours

[dense violet]

yelloooo

[hexed raven]

how's your day going so far

[dense violet]

good but now I gtg actually see ya

[hexed raven]

oop-

[fossil rock]

feels like crap spending a lot of time on a character and then cant even use it :D

[coral temple]

quite rood of u sir 🤏 🫖

[hexed raven]

i feel that xd

[hexed raven]

wbu, how u doing

[coral temple]

i woke up at half 2, watched tiktok for like 50 minutes and now im here

so too early to tell rn

[hexed raven]

wait what time is it there?

[coral temple]

half 3

[hexed raven]

lol, where are you from?

[coral temple]

uk

[hexed raven]

ohh

wait but it's 3 pm 😂

i thougt you meant am i was confused

[coral temple]

oh lmao

[hexed raven]

sounds about right

[coral temple]

im waiting for my quest 2 to charge cause idiotyy doesnt charge on a night for some reason so i can beat my friend up who just got a kinect as a primitive full body

[hexed raven]

well i hope you have a gud day sir/ma'am/comrade

[coral temple]

ma'am

[hexed raven]

comrade

[coral temple]

very based

[hexed raven]

i dun know what that means sorry qwp

english is not my first language

[coral temple]

a word when you agree with something

[past mesa]

Another banwave dang

All I'm hearing about is people dropping like flies in vrc, what even is happening

[coral temple]

apparently a bunch of modders were banned

[regal furnace]

apparantly a group of modders got all caught in a banwave and are now :shockedpikachu: that they are banned

[odd blaze]

🐇 gasp

[regal furnace]

who would have knew that violating the ToS can get you banned

[coral temple]

some of the mods lowkey looked like they could be really good game features too

[past mesa]

Who would've thought that you don't need to be a sarcastic dick when someone asks a general question

Was curious as to the details of the banwave, I know this.

[wind zealot]

lol

[past mesa]

My thoughts exactly

[coral temple]

lets just hope the devs take some notes from what once was and makes them actual features tbh

[regal furnace]

the problem is that a lot of people dont want to (or straight up dont) understand that concept. I myself dont mind if others use mods or not (i just advise them to rather not do it), i am just tired of people coming in here and complain about a justified ban.
sorry if i may have offended you with this, but i really am tired of people complaining about that by now

[past mesa]

Hope so, but then there's be squeakers saying "yOu bAnnNed TheM bUt TheN StoLe anD ImplEmnTed That fEaTure"

I'm not complaining dude, I legit asked in such a general way and you jumped on my ass with the biggest sarcasm

Like cool lmfao

[coral temple]

imean beatsaber looked at the modding community and implemented quite a few features from what were once mods

[regal furnace]

i also replied with that first, so my second answer would be a general comment to that answer of mine

[past mesa]

Don't backpedal

[unreal verge]

Just that banning the creators does literally nothing. The malicious ones didn't got banned and even then they wouldn't give a single fuck.

[past mesa]

Just apologise and move on, I don't care, water under the fridge for me

[past mesa]

^ this

[regal furnace]

what? i just commented on my own answer afterwards, why should i aplogize for something that wasnt even directed at you

[coral temple]

i heard that the mods were removed from public access too

[past mesa]

If you're about to say that both of those comments weren't directed at me, I'm about to call you a shitty liar

[unreal verge]

That's true

[regal furnace]

i said that the first comment was a normal answer and the second one was a comment to my own answer that was not directed towards you

[past mesa]

I call bullshit

[coral temple]

peep this one, really, peep this one
minecraft anvil noise
no more toxic players

[regal furnace]

aight, fine for me too

[past mesa]

😂😂😂

[unreal verge]

You say that, the malicious creators aren't affected at all and they didn't make theirs private. Why should they? They didn't got caught in the ban wave and even then, making them private means less money they make.

[sudden grotto]

agreed

[unreal verge]

That ban wave totally missed the goal

[past mesa]

Fr tho, half the mod discords I'm in have completely shut down almost, it's fuckrn crazy

Within a week too not even

[coral temple]

wait, the malicious mod creators werent banned but the open source ones were?

[unreal verge]

Yes

[past mesa]

Yuh

Then people started removing everything themselves in fear of ban

[unreal verge]

Not like the malicious would even care about getting banned.

[past mesa]

But malicious continued

^^^

Here's the thing, my account means alot to me and everything in it. Malicious users have 13 different accounts, ready to rock n roll should one get banned

I lose one, I wouldn't go for another

[coral temple]

arent vrc bans hwid?

[past mesa]

Not to be a dumbcunt but TF is hwid

[unreal verge]

Malicious people know it's just a matter of time and usually they already got stuff to evade every type of ban

[coral temple]

hardware id ban

[past mesa]

Ah

[coral temple]

ban the hardware, not just the ip

[past mesa]

Fuck I hope not

Are they???

[regal furnace]

probably, there are reports of newly created accounts getting banned after another one was banned previously

[wind zealot]

hwid spoof and poof goes the ban

[past mesa]

the IMEI of PC's ayyyee? Dang

[coral temple]

the more you know

[past mesa]

Still, it's weird seeing like people who just want an overlay or even a simple color change mod get absolutely rekt but lobby crashers are still going strong

Priorities...

[fiery dragon]

Heyy! I'm a 16 yo trans girl and I dont have anyone to play vrchat with, so ig I'm looking for friends if anyone wants to dm me :3

[coral temple]

disable particles and custom anims for everyone and you wont get crashed

[past mesa]

Oh dine

Wayyyy past that lmao

[fiery dragon]

A lfg channel would be nice

[wind zealot]

you shouldn't really be doing it like this -.-

[carmine nebula]

Really does suck though, even though the a lot of these mods actually improve gameplay performance.. it really irks me that people who use malicious intent, rip avatars and all that are still out there. The priorities of the mod team really are twisted on who is top priority in who needs to be banned.

[sudden grotto]

maybe cross ban accounts? or just random?

[past mesa]

Cheers but

[clear fog]

bans are HWID but it's really easy to bypass it in pretty much any game

[past mesa]

Why do I feel like lfg is something I dwk about

[plain bramble]

Speaking of devs making sure things dont interrupt a fun vrchat experience, anyone know when the social menu is going to be fixed? Last update I saw was 3 weeks ago when they said they would have it fixed the next weekend

[coral temple]

disabling future proofing makes it harder to rip avatars from what ive heard, but people cant even disable force 6 point animations, so i doubt they could also disable that lol

[past mesa]

What's wrong with it?

[carmine nebula]

Some friends of mine have done that, and I believe still get their avatars ripped.

[plain bramble]

Friends not showing up as online, friends not showing up as offline, the site itself not showing proper information,etc

[carmine nebula]

Again, certain people that use clients for this stuff really piss me off that they aren't getting the upper hand.

[past mesa]

Ah yes, this I've had

[coral temple]

it wouldnt include everything in the project tho, so its still better than nothing

[past mesa]

My social menu rn is FULL of offline cunts

[wind zealot]

my thoughts are it rips the avatar from the download, so there isn't really a way of protecting against that

[past mesa]

So confusing

[carmine nebula]

Still though.. they're getting ripped and possibly re-sold regardless.

[wind zealot]

unless the avatars would be encrypted

[coral temple]

true

[past mesa]

There is nothing worse than cold Micky Dee chips, am I wrong?

[carmine nebula]

Like I said.... Just irks me that people that use mods to better the game get massively banned and its like "this is real shit" over people who use clients for malicious intent.

Thank you for joining my ted talk. Off to work I go

[coral temple]

cold maccies chips then getting home to find your vrc account banned tbh

[plain bramble]

I know theres a huge issue with people wanting their menu color to be purple instead of blue, but it would be nice to see what friends are online honestly

[past mesa]

BRAH

OI

Legit me rn fuckn love purple

[plain bramble]

Hell fucking yes

[coral temple]

i havnt even clocked the vrc menu has a colour until now

[past mesa]

lmao legit

Its that blue transparent that old Mac's used to be

[late void]

People don't even need to use clients to rip. I've seen it

[carmine nebula]

If you know the names of who I'm talking about, you just know.

[sudden grotto]

yeah that would be worse

[coral temple]

ok well my headset is charged now, time to beat up my friend lmao

[hexed raven]

oop i'm back

sorry for leaving, college

[wind zealot]

had mine not too long ago

[hexed raven]

beat him twice, one's on my name

[vocal shard]

Yep, unfortunately very easy to get the vrcA download file off vrchats own site to rip the models in

[clear fog]

that's not the only malicious thing people do

[hexed raven]

true

[late void]

Course not, but it's what we were talking about

[clear fog]

just wanted to mention :peek:

[late void]

Then again I joined the convo late idk

[hexed raven]

well let's talk bout sumthing else then

hmm what is your go to world when you're with friends?

[honest forge]

quest home theater or marimba

[regal furnace]

i always join off them, so idk

[hexed raven]

marimba? never heard of that one

[wind zealot]

wat

[honest forge]

its a marimba you can play

[sick valley]

I’ll never understand why people ESP my afk body

[wind zealot]

bruh

[icy coyote]

I usely go to "Just B club" I think that's the name not exactly sure

[late void]

Ew

[sick valley]

It is

[late void]

Also it's weird because I went to that world the day it was released and I favorited it, and it was empty for a month. Then SUDDENLY it blew up

[sick valley]

Everyone just hides upstairs anyway

[late void]

It's funny cuz I even made a comment to my friend how "it's sad people put all this work into clubs just for them to be empty" I literally said that about that exact world and 2 days later it's at #1???

[sick valley]

Yeah the rooms popular now

[icy coyote]

I can't wait to start making some trap avatars

I want more felix avatars from rezero tbh (I'm talking about a anime character incase some of you don't know.)

[wind zealot]

knowing traps by name is porn 101

[icy coyote]

Don't worry I'm not trying to make any nsfw avatars

I just about able to understand the process of making and uploading a avatar

[wind zealot]

making hard

uploading ez

[sharp galleon]

You ever just stand there awkwardly in a room and no one pays attention to you regardless of the avatar you’re wearing... yeaahh

[wind zealot]

yeah

[icy coyote]

In a few months I'm gunna try to learn different blender techniques from a bunch of people so I can make some nice avatars

[cold quail]

Yeaa
Then I wait for people to come to me and I make bird noises for some reason lol or I just leave

[sharp galleon]

Lol that’s cute

[cold quail]

Ty lol

[hexed raven]

yeah, it happens very often, just try to go where the crowd is, no matter if you dont talk if u want to get attention eventually

[sharp galleon]

Everyone just sticks to their own friend groups. If I see someone off to the side and staring, I try to go over and include them somehow, even if it’s just by booping them.

[sudden grotto]

yeah i was a floating mario head in murder 4 and no body reacted to that lol

[sharp galleon]

Lol Murder 4 is like the worst place to make new friends

[wind zealot]

i can't imagine if i had vr or fbt, phantom sense hits me over desktop

[sudden grotto]

but worlds like the black cat are

[magic hill]

White hackers banned, dark hackers laugh in celebration. 🙂

I'd say prepare for extra crasher avatars appearing out of no where soon.

Kinda sad, but no hope to avoid crashers anymore for a while.

[sudden grotto]

what wave

[magic hill]

recent ban wave hit mostly mod makers, there might be few mistakes.

[storm pilot]

As far as I’ve heard yeah only them

[clear fog]

only them

[sudden grotto]

oh a ban wave as like a vac ban wave? how long ago?

[magic hill]

QoL mod makers to be specific, but the sus clients are happier now and will probably raise their prices.

Though I know about both sides, but never joined any.

[sudden grotto]

my acount didin't get ban

[clear fog]

you don't even make mods of course you didn't

[sudden grotto]

oh

[hexed raven]

yeah, that sucks, i'm trying to make my own friend group but so far it's only me and 1 other person

[magic hill]

what if it's the only way to avoid game breakers that constantly create new accounts? OwO

[wind zealot]

why not client check new accounts?

[magic hill]

ip ban? VPNs solves it.

[wind zealot]

checking clients on visitor/new users is a pretty good way

[sudden grotto]

so this ban wave only attacked modders

[regal furnace]

apparantly

[wind zealot]

like you don't start playing the game with mods, you get the mods once you played enough of base game

and most crasher kids would get bored and try the hack asap, and get banned

[magic hill]

yep, but not the bad modders, I know through their announcing a review of the codes to make sure they aren't harming users.

so either game will be all lobby types full of robots(even 99% of friends).
Or a real fix for crashers/hackers.

[vocal shard]

don't mention them by name

you'll get kicked/banned

[oak pier]

yup

[magic hill]

my bad

[wind zealot]

oh yeah i forgot

you're just lucky

[magic hill]

the ones that could block crashers/hackers are banned now.

[vocal shard]

well

[oak pier]

I tend to get crashed by one every other time I go out into Publics

[vocal shard]

if you want to crash people, where is the best place ?

exactly, popular worlds
guess what black cat is ?

[sudden grotto]

on here?

[magic hill]

any populated lobbies with people not using safety.

[vocal shard]

yes

[oak pier]

blackcat, the pug, any clubs

[magic hill]

or 2 kids fighting then one starts his hidden technique " The blasted crasher" avatar. 😄

[oak pier]

or a grownman who finds others suffering funny

at this point I have everyone except friends avatars hidden cause of it

[desert sequoia]

Um, hi. I haven't played VRchat in a while but I come here to say that they've done an oopsie

[clear fog]

daily reminder you can still crash people even if they have safety off

[wind zealot]

surprisingly i am the exact opposite

my friends have such heavy avatars that they are the only hidden ones

[magic hill]

trust me, even your friends have crasher avatars, I tried stopping a couple of them, nobody listened. x)

[oak pier]

yeahhhh it's fun

[wind zealot]

i had crasher friends, they stopped doing it like a year ago

[desert sequoia]

I've found out about the news about the modding community getting banned on twitter while scrolling

[oak pier]

hm?

[magic hill]

they all said for "protection" idk what kind but yeah.. "pRoTeCtIoN"

[candid acorn]

"How dare you fix our game"

[clear fog]

improve in general

[sudden grotto]

so avatars can have crashing abilities?

[vocal shard]

modded clients were always getting banned when found
nothing new here

[oak pier]

The poor mod creators didn't deserve this at all, not their fault they can make the game fun and safe

[desert sequoia]

https://twitter.com/Gomi_Deer/status/1376897007193837582

[vocal shard]

they know the risks

[oak pier]

and? Doesn't mean it's right

[vocal shard]

modding the game is simply against their TOS, malicious client or not

so yes it does make it "right"

[magic hill]

Any avatar you own can be a crasher if you know how to, but such info is only get from the dark hackers group, I can't get to them though, they know about me somehow.

[candid acorn]

The real kicker is that the only modders who really get banned are the ones trying to fix or improve the game. The ones who deal in more devious stuff rarely do.

[sudden grotto]

oh

[oak pier]

if all the mods they went after were malicious I would agree with you, but i can't simply cause of the ones they attacked.

[vocal shard]

theyall get banned if found

obviously if they want to ban them they'll target the "big guys" first

it doesn't matter if it's malicious or not
it's still a modded client so still bannable
that's all there is to it

[magic hill]

How can you ban them, when they can log in but appear in Offline, and can access your private avatars from a far(not needing to join your lobby)? 🙂

[vocal shard]

no one can just take your private avatar without ripping it 🙂

[candid acorn]

People wouldn't fix their game for them if they did it themselves.
If a modder can, with relatively minimal effort, add quality of life stuff that vrc should've had from the start, what's their excuse?

[magic hill]

yeah, they can rip it without needing to join your world now.

[oak pier]

banning non-malicious mods make no sense, they improve the game for people and can help them not crash. They don't do anything except make the game better, it's not like you can cheat in a social game.

[candid acorn]

But it makes the devs look bad. Cant have that

[clear fog]

the malicious people you mean?

[magic hill]

I've been restricted from further info of that client sadly.

[noble depot]

how do you seperate a non-malicious mod user from a malicious one, without any prior context

[clear fog]

depends on what they are doing ofc

[noble depot]

allowing any form of modified client's a slippery slope, because you'll end up with clients with conveniently hidden features

[vocal shard]

you don't, that's why they ban all of them

[noble depot]

^

[clear fog]

but I can assure you, every mod of the people who got banned, were not malicious

[candid acorn]

You separate it by making modding unnecessary

[magic hill]

You are just a 1 vote, there needs to be too many to unban these guys now. :<

[candid acorn]

Address the issues that the mods address

[cosmic shale]

It isn’t about the mod users, they banned people creating mods that were just qol additions

[oak pier]

I would suggest the devs actually going into each mod, seeing whats there and making a list of mods that are ok and not okay. You know, actually doing something productive. They won't be able to get every mod, but it will help dwindle things down.

[twin river]

They've had years to do this

[clear fog]

oh btw, some of them got unbanned by deleting/privating their open source repositories and sending an appeal to their trust & safety thing

[candid acorn]

I know

[magic hill]

The famoose Hordini! OwO

[clever forge]

☝️

[cosmic shale]

The mod creators that publicised themselves the most were the ones that didn’t make malicious mods, and those were the ones banned

[noble depot]

Allowing any form of client is a slippery slope, because you'll end up with versions of 'allowed' clients with conveniently hidden malicious features

[candid acorn]

And yet it's been years and something as simple as the menus following your pov is still somehow too much to ask for, so if you are lying down you need to crane your neck or get up to do anything in menu

[noble depot]

and then you'll get people complaining that they got banned while using an aLlOwEd client

[cosmic shale]

And? It’s not like you can stop people from modding anyway, clearly

[clear fog]

I don't understand why they took specifically this approach

[oak pier]

I agree it's risky and will take a lot of work, but I think it would be a step in the right direction

[cosmic shale]

It would be better than trying to get rid of over half of the population

[magic hill]

They can have time for that, but there are "other" matter to focus on, maybe.. I think.. I hope.. I wonder. xD

[vocal shard]

because they don't want people to do it

[candid acorn]

Thats exactly it. And what rubs me the wrong way. The ones that make malicious clients remain under the radar and rarely get caught

[cosmic shale]

Eh, they make plenty of bad decisions

[twin river]

Any kind 'allowed' modding should come in the form of an officially supported modding API. Allowing the use of a third-party mod injector isn't a great idea for a multiplayer game. Doubt we'll get something like that any time soon, but it'd certainly be nice. Wouldn't have to keep "top-toeing" around, but instead work along-side the devs in an official manner.

[vocal shard]

many times they said the same answer when people found wacky work arounds around avatar limits and stuff like that and for modding it's probalby the same

[oak pier]

ah yes "other" matters that the Devs 100% do

[vocal shard]

"we want to make our own system to do it and not allow hacky ways to do thing"

[candid acorn]

Gotta work on... that thing... yes. That thing yknow.

[noble depot]

#announcements, #open-beta-announcements, https://feedback.vrchat.com/ are all ways to see what the devs are working on o:

[vocal shard]

people managed to make their own custom animator in vrchat and they removed that exploit from the game, saying that they wanted their own system for it

it took 2.5 years for their system to be done, that's sdk 3.0

[magic hill]

I've heard about many people that suggested to do volunteer help in fixing many things in-game, they all got the ban hammer. 🙂

[vocal shard]

I doubt that

they most likely got rejected but i doubt they banned people for just asking to help them

[severe lodge]

Does anyone know how to get vrc to stop crushing my mic quality? I'm using a wireless modmic and it sounds great when I listen to it through the sound panel but I've heard myself in others' vrc videos and it sounds really not good in vrc. Please @me if you reply so I can find it in this sea of text 😅

[clear fog]

I don't think you understood the point

[magic hill]

nope, banned, I saw a recent tweet about a programmer got clapped, he didn't seem any aggressive, just disappointed from that ban.

[vocal shard]

try asking in #user-support-old
and in case you also have #vrchat-support

[vocal shard]

you don't know what happened in the background

[severe lodge]

Ah thank you

[vocal shard]

it's easy to show the side that makes you look innocent

[magic hill]

Sadly, I can't investigate since he's already gone from here. :/

[clear fog]

I do know the background, they weren't aggressive or anything, he was very disappointed on their decision, he doesn't even make VRChat mods anymore.

[oak pier]

Maybe try talking to him on twitter then

[umbral reef]

Odds they produced a moddified client and then went to help them bragging they already fixed it

[candid acorn]

Vrchat can have a really passive aggressive streak when people make them look bad, or come up with an idea they were thinking of monetizing

[umbral reef]

Whats stupid to do as they cant accept any modified client work for obvious legal reasons

[vocal shard]

yes yes, you know everything
every single mod you know isnt malicious at all either, everything is perfect, the modding community is the most wholesome ever and the vrc devs are literally hitler clones

[oak pier]

I see we've struck a nerve

[candid acorn]

.05 bucks have been deposited in your account!

[vocal shard]

no it's just that this person claims many thing without backing it up

[noble depot]

when the mod maker incorporates that idea into a malicious client, that good idea kinda becomes moot

[clear fog]

Yeah I know what happened, and no, it's not perfect or whatever you said
I have no idea if I'm allowed to say it in public though

[oak pier]

Considering the discord we're in

probably not

[vocal shard]

if you aren't then it's breaking one of the rules, making it bad 👀

[steep cosmos]

Is it possible to use the vrchat camera thing on quest?

[umbral reef]

Unless you drop names they dont really mind if you talk about it
Just dont go full shill or toxic about it

[digital mantle]

No.

[noble depot]

unfortunately not on standalone Quest, you'd have to link it

[vocal shard]

only if you use the Link

[steep cosmos]

Dang it

[clear fog]

I don't know what you're on about, if it's that guy that got banned and tweeted about it or mods

[vocal shard]

don't mention modded clients by name and you'll be fine

[clear fog]

it was the person's name

[candid acorn]

Who said anything about malicious?
I'm talking about ridiculous things like the nameplates. Some time last year it became popular to make frames for them with decorations etc.
But it stepped on the toes of upcoming (then unnanounced) vrc+ avatars icons, so they didn't say anything- but subtly added a feature that would make nameplates randomly offset up or down so as to break the nameplate add-on, which was strictly an avatar component

[vocal shard]

and don'^t advertise their feature either, obviously

[vocal shard]

you can still modify them if i remember correctly

[noble depot]

Except people were using that same nameplate trick to impersonate developers, which is kind of a problem lol

[vocal shard]

you are just not allowed to obstruct them (hiding the name)

[candid acorn]

I'm just saying. The solution was super passive aggressive.

[noble depot]

also VRChat+ wasn't in the works at that time

[candid acorn]

That said, those nameplate things were aids.

Obnoxious turning off nameplates and seeing the floating empty borders

[prisma night]

This, there wouldn't be this problem in the first place if there were official hooks for mods that could be regulated/limited by VRChat itself (ie. only allowing clientside modifications)

[candid acorn]

You would think. But those pesky modders might go and actually fix something that the devs said was too difficult.

[vocal shard]

oh it definitely was but there was a pretty good reason for it tho

[noble depot]

can you give a source as an example lmao

[umbral reef]

Use brain not allowed >:C

[vocal shard]

let's be honest here, vrc+ was probably already in the work

[noble depot]

plus, with something like that people would inevitably complain that it's too restrictive and that their injector gives them more 'freedom'

[candid acorn]

Lets see.
Ik, menus, come to mind

@noble depot

[vocal shard]

you don't come out with a subscription idea like that in 2 weeks

[hexed raven]

ahhhhh college is melting my brain

[vocal shard]

when will vrchat fix the 20 fps bug and download queue bug

[shell terrace]

global dynabones

[unreal verge]

Lower than 20fps bug - fixed by mods
Avatar not loading bug - fixed

[vocal shard]

give them 3-4 years

[prisma night]

being able to customize menus wouldn't be too dangerous of a mod if it were to be allowed, since it's clientside, for example

[vocal shard]

(global dyn bone is a thing in cvr without mods 👀 )

[vocal shard]

(that too is a thing in cvr)

[noble depot]

ah fair
also I don't think the nameplate thing was that close to the announcement of VRC+? unless my galaxy brain forgot time

[vocal shard]

like 1 month i think ?

don't remember but it was very close

[prisma night]

haven't tried it, unluckly the playercount is kinda low

[candid acorn]

It only took them like 4 years to make avatar favorites, when it was practically a day 1 mod. Hell, probably one of the first things mods did I bet

[twin river]

Not to mention various exploits throughout the years fixed by mods first

[vocal shard]

and why they made that rule about nameplates was immediatly obvious afterward

[vocal shard]

cvr gives me 10 fps because idk how to setup safety settings and have everything fully shown

[umbral reef]

That tbh is a positive :'o
Less NPC people, less kids and annoying people as they cant survive within the game

[umbral reef]

Thats the only way to play though

[twin river]

Was a scary time, being able to have your avatar force-changed by another user.

[vocal shard]

it's a small community so people know each other

[unreal verge]

The avatar/world not loading bug got fixed with a few lines of code

[umbral reef]

Any other way is just wrong

[candid acorn]

It really was obviously about vrc+ and not "impersonating mods" considering vrc+ was announced not long after

[vocal shard]

it's super chill (no puns attended) and since the playercount is low, the mods are really quick to come if there is an issue

[vocal shard]

it's both reasons

[tulip wave]

i really wish vrchat would focus on adding QoL features like fixing their broken IK or notifying people when a friend joins a world, instead of wasting their time punishing the people who bring those features to their game for them

[prisma night]

i had seen some cool stuf for cvr tho, like a prefab tablet with working browser and music player if I remember correctly

[vocal shard]

there was a lot of people impersonating mods or using another person's name to crash others

[vocal shard]

still a thing but now its up to the world creator if its an exploit in the world or not

[shell terrace]

does vrc really not have any kind of community out reach or PR

[twin river]

Mhm even worse before, if I remember correctly. I believe it just required the world to have an avatar pedestal.

[tall oriole]

CVR is just an overall better game, and the devs aren't rude

[unreal verge]

I can't play CVR unfortunately

[candid acorn]

It has tupper.
And whatever dev/mod happens to be reading discord chat

[umbral reef]

Yes but actually no
They throw up a nice system, provide a roadmap or let the devs stream to explain things for a while and then stop doing so

[tall oriole]

you should try it, it's pretty good ngl

[umbral reef]

And now we just get more blog posts often, what is nice, but only explains updates and downtime problems

[honest forge]

what on earth is happening

[uncut hill]

i would love to help you set them up 🙂 so you can try cvr in the best condition you can 🙂 (send FriendRequest 👀)

[unreal verge]

I did but the performance was horrible even in a world alone. Worse than VRChat for me.

[vocal shard]

Tupper

[tall oriole]

ahh i see

[candid acorn]

Vrc has always had a bigg issue with communication

[carmine nebula]

This

[candid acorn]

Mainly because they are paranoid about competition so they try to divulge as little as possible

[umbral reef]

More that there decisions are illogical and whack and need a fair bit of explaining and detail
What seems like too much effort and work to do

[tall oriole]

I wish for a official modding api so they would stop complaining about us using external tools, the problem would def dissipate a little with that

[uncut hill]

About what you say ?? Competition ?? There is pretty much like no competition 😂

[candid acorn]

That too

[oak pier]

Agreed

[tall oriole]

mhm

[uncut hill]

Agreed

[carmine nebula]

Besides CVR. Don't see much else in "competition"

[uncut hill]

Me neithier

[candid acorn]

There's a fair few vrchat-like games.
Vrchat itself only got as big as it did due to sheer luck. Genuinely just luck.

[wind zealot]

cvr is a direct competitor, and as it seems it has a better start

[carmine nebula]

Been seeing a lot of content creators, in general transfer everything

[vocal shard]

there is neosVR if you are japanese or a furry and love big brain stuff

[hexed raven]

is cvr for the quest too?

[prisma night]

there should also be neosvr, but i haven't looked into it

[pearl kraken]

Going after problematic crashers and avatar stealers and fixing the exploits

or

Banning all mod creators, even those that create incredibly useful QoL mods to fix VRC things

[shell terrace]

i dont think cvr is that much of a competetor either, theres too large a transition gap and content difference between the two

[vocal shard]

or lavender if you like vrchat but with less devs

[candid acorn]

The knuckles/streamer boom is largely responsible for vrchat being as big as it is.

[carmine nebula]

While people will be like "DoNt caRE IT WOnT mAkE A DiFference"

[uncut hill]

not for now sadly

[tall oriole]

cvr wouldnt work on quest

[carmine nebula]

It will down the road

[candid acorn]

All it takes is another to have some stroke of luck, and vrchat to fumble the ball

[hexed raven]

but do you have games and custom avatars in there too?

[clear fog]

I'd take the 2nd option sounds the best :kappa:

[shell terrace]

Vrc+ peeps should to a mass protest, pause emebrship for a motnh idk :v

[dire thicket]

stop being unwholesome adoria

[uncut hill]

vrc team : I think i'l go for the 2nd choise 👀

[vocal shard]

its really no that big

[pearl kraken]

I already canceled mine

[honest forge]

cvr also has no plan to create a comunity. which is a bit saddening

[shell terrace]

just something to get them to realise, oh wait, people play our game

[vocal shard]

you just swap sdks and redo the viewpoint and your basically done

[noble depot]

not that the devs of CVR have directly stated not to make comparisons between it and VRChat in this server
plus, CVR is doomed to face the exact same issues VRChat has been facing recently, if it gets a similar userbase - they'll still have to put up with player number surges, server outages, Unity updates, etc

[vocal shard]

wdym ?

[carmine nebula]

I personally enjoy vrchat more. But not if they're gonna focus on banning molders that aren't being malicious

[uncut hill]

🤔

[carmine nebula]

Guess it is what it is

[prisma night]

the most concerning thing about what happened is that they went directly after the mods' developers deleting their account

[shell terrace]

idk, the things i play vrchat for and the people ik just dont exist or happen in cvr

[honest forge]

i like how that confused all of yall

[tulip wave]

same, i dont really want to give money to developers who take this approach towards the community

[tall oriole]

VRChat team, about to make another community upsetting decision: 2nd choice, if you will

[uncut hill]

💯

[tall oriole]

no money unless we see a reason to give it

[noble depot]

"QoL" mods, which happen to conveniently include crashers

[uncut hill]

LUL

[noble depot]

for 'protection'

[vocal shard]

sadly

[candid acorn]

Vrchats bigger communication issue is that they never really exited the same mentality they had when they were a small game. So they only listen to their own small circle of people, and the yes-men who orbit that circle

[carmine nebula]

I'm referring to things that ISNT malicious. Which there were mods users were using that would/could better this game

[uncut hill]

i've never seen any crasher mods in any modding discords 👀 at least the "publicly available" ones

[tall oriole]

oh no my loading screen has it's own custom pictures, obviously i'm a hacker at large trying to take down entire superservers

[pearl kraken]

Here's to hoping the absolute massive amount of pushback they're getting on this most recent decision actually makes them rethink their position

[carmine nebula]

[elder marlin]

Pft nah

[vocal shard]

not really particles

[unreal verge]

That's not true

[pearl kraken]

I made a thread about it on Twitter and have been getting nonstop notifs about people canceling their subs over this

[vocal shard]

anything can be just make it malformed or overpowering

[candid acorn]

Crashers are more often than not likely to be an avatar component than a client one

[uncut hill]

😂 😂 💯

[tall oriole]

100%

[worldly summit]

They don't care, Quest users can't mod :P

[clear fog]

yet and it is possible to mod quest games just like beat saber

[tall oriole]

thats not true

[uncut hill]

yet

[unreal verge]

Technically they can

[tall oriole]

there are modded quest users

[carmine nebula]

Now obviously there's clients that rip. Sure many with a pea sized brain are aware of that

[tall oriole]

I know some quest users with mods

[carmine nebula]

Why is that not a bigger target?

[vocal shard]

yeah I've learned some busted stuff they need to fix

[carmine nebula]

Which again drives my point

[uncut hill]

y'all want to know something funny ??

[carmine nebula]

Why isn't that a bigger target

x.x

[candid acorn]

This.
The cache is literally an open book.
To say nothing about the api

[uncut hill]

one time a vrc team member sayed that vrcx is a great friend managing tool, as long as you dont use their steam logging dll

[tall oriole]

oh?

[uncut hill]

vrcx can rip avatars 😂 (like the packages)

[clear fog]

vrc team uses vrcx (afaik)

[vocal shard]

not directly no it cant

[outer spoke]

Well then if they use it, we can use it right

[clear fog]

^

[uncut hill]

i can

[dire thicket]

Just allow mods and simply respond with; bannable issues of a client. Vrchat could accept the usage, not condon however iron out some rules about their usage.

[vocal shard]

you still need a ripping tool to upload it

[tall oriole]

We all should know the VRChat team uses mods at this point anyway

[candid acorn]

No, only the devs have the privilege of getting special tools

[uncut hill]

yes of cource, but like you google that and you find them

[vocal shard]

otherwise its just a vrca you got from the api

[carmine nebula]

The tl;dr of this is the mod team and DEVS could have an easier way of working around this. They just choose not to

[clear fog]

VRCX can download packages because the API provides links for them.

[unreal verge]

You know the fact that while you play VRChat it downloads avatars? Well for that the game contacts a specific url which you can also just use in your browser which has the same effect.

[prisma night]

you can technically rip avatars manually anyway, so it's not that much of an issue that a client COULD do that, it'd be better to try and fix the core issue

[candid acorn]

To be technical they dont use mods. They just have a special dev client

[clear fog]

but anyway ripping or reuploading isn't the only issue

[twin river]

I still have yet to see any proof suggesting this, best to assume they don't unless proper evidence is presented.

[carmine nebula]

Doesn't make it any better, lol.

[uncut hill]

😂 "DeV cLiEnT"

[tall oriole]

oh i have no proof

[candid acorn]

I'm just saying.
As far as their view goes, they made it so it's "approved"

[cold quiver]

developers have dev build clients, more shocking news at 11

[uncut hill]

vrc moderator in vrc moding group discord ?

[vocal shard]

good luck decompressing the vrca and recompressing it manually

[oak pier]

A client you way?

[candid acorn]

Nevermind the features it has like being able to spy on users invisibly

[twin river]

Who?

[keen shadow]

There is a statement on the github page for VRCX that states "VRCX isn't endorsed by VRChat and doesn't reflect the views or opinions of VRChat or anyone officially involved in producing or managing VRChat."

It also has a screenshot of VR Pill saying "Our stance here is don't be malicious" so I guess it's a grey area. However considering how they recently banned a lot of mod creators, it'd probably be best to avoid mods, even if they helpful, all together.

[tall oriole]

mOdDeD cLLient

[prisma night]

regarding the friend-managing part, that shouldn't be banned if you're just using vrchat apis and not hooking into the game

[prisma night]

It could still be done outside the game by a tool without a client

[vocal shard]

vrcx isnt a mod
it's just an interface for the api

[uncut hill]

i dont remember, i've just seen someone use a bot with their vrc user ID and they had mod / admin tags on their vrc profile (Link made by the username / discord username

[unreal verge]

I use VRCX, really useful

[vocal shard]

I already said you would need a tool

[hexed raven]

why dont we all go to cvr for a month

[candid acorn]

Shhhh don't admit such things you dummy

[twin river]

I know the bot, and anyone can look up any user with it. Not just the account owner.

[prisma night]

I thought you meant you need a client

[keen shadow]

Yeah I don't understand the whole banning QoL stuff.

[unreal verge]

It's not against ToS

[hybrid shell]

So VRChat banning mod creators means we're about to get join notifications and personal mirrors, yeah?

Right guys?

Right?

[tall oriole]

yep

[candid acorn]

🙃

[uncut hill]

Yes i know that but the discord user and vrc account had the same vrc+ pp / discord pp so i linked the 2 together

[carmine nebula]

The vr cancel cultures gonna be on fire twitterside

[oak pier]

totally

[clear fog]

it 100% means you're getting all the features from the mods the official group had

[twin river]

Maybe 2 or 3 years late, but would be nice.

[hexed raven]

i wish

[unreal verge]

I mentioned using VRCX multiple times here already and mods even commented to that. I'm still here.

[candid acorn]

@hybrid shell yes.
It means we will absolutely probably might get ik fixes and improved menus.
In 3 years

[twin river]

That doesn't exactly prove much of anything, considering anyone can grab that image and slap it on. 😅

[frosty veldt]

VRCX is just api, there is nothing wrong with it

[uncut hill]

vrcx is kinda "allowed"

[hybrid shell]

Until it isn't

[magic hill]

That can be dangerously abused if you know which buttons do what, but it's allowed. 🙂

[uncut hill]

Ok my thoughts were not necessarily good but who knows

[twin river]

VRCX isn't a modification of the VRChat Client, and as far as I know, is safe with the API. Not much of a reason for it to be banned.

[tall oriole]

I use mods to change multiple things and they all have the purpose of optimization

[unreal verge]

I know what does what

[bold mantle]

bruh my game wont load, it just close it self

[carmine nebula]

This wreck of a situation can be summed up nicely from that one meme where the guy aims a gun that goes out of frame to the back of his head

[candid acorn]

Noooo you can't just optimize the game we said is too difficult to optimize, nooooo!

[tall oriole]

oooOOOooo i did it anyway

[carmine nebula]

Trust no one. Not even yourself

[prisma night]

tldr adding client-side modding hooks would fix all of this

[vocal shard]

chat rn :weirdchamp:

[carmine nebula]

:kekw:

[vocal shard]

fuck

[bold mantle]

lmao

[prisma night]

you can do that with 2004 source games, you can do it in other unity games, so it's definetively possible

[twin river]

Well yeah, the more malicious mods will be completely unaffected by all of this.

[bold mantle]

u right xd

[prisma night]

the only result will be that people using those mods will move to shady close sourced ones

[tall oriole]

these devs are like 5 year olds who don't work with the solution and stubbornly makes it WORSE

[unreal verge]

They're probably eating popcorn right know and laugh their ass off

[uncut hill]

👍 💯

[carmine nebula]

Ohhh yeah I forgot about that

[candid acorn]

I don't like to give Bethesda too much credit here- but that's a game company that knows damn well their base will make up for their shortcomings and is real good with mods

[tall oriole]

what the fuck!?

melonloader was made for unity

[uncut hill]

yes

[regal furnace]

people still complain about getting banned when breaking the ToS they agreed to?

[tall oriole]

not just vrc

[unreal verge]

Creator of that is already banned

[keen shadow]

Yes it works for other unity games

[uncut hill]

like synth riders

[carmine nebula]

I mean you're missing the point, but w/e

[twin river]

What I'm more concerned about is user safety. People will get desperate, and download files where they shouldn't. So now I have zero control over making sure users are safe with what they download. 😕

[keen shadow]

It's really unfortunate

[regal furnace]

i never used mods, so maybe i do. but the ToS states that modding the game can get you banned, so i dont do it and dont risk my account because of it

[vocal shard]

I mean whats going to stop people from downloading a dll from github?

[candid acorn]

The point is people wouldn't violate that tos bit if vrchat actually fixed the issues modders address

[vocal shard]

from an official repository

[honest forge]

in general, they shouldnt

[prisma night]

exactly

[carmine nebula]

I've ranted it over and over again.

[prisma night]

they are removed now

[elder marlin]

Breaking the rules is irrelevant when the rules are dumb

[twin river]

The GitHub repo's from people in our community were made private

[vocal shard]

sorry I'm not sure what was being previously discussed

[regal furnace]

true that, this whole situation could be handled better from both parties honestly

[uncut hill]

vrc modders beeing banned and i dont realy know the rest, follow along with us 🙂

[prisma night]

VRChat mods banned the creator of those mods and said that whey would only unban them if they were to delete the repos

[carmine nebula]

Luckily flame explained it better

[vocal shard]

I see

[tall oriole]

I can't wait to see that ovr and turn signal, which would thenfourth be violating the tos get removed from the steam store next

[carmine nebula]

Lol

[hexed raven]

what i find more concerning, is that even tho we're completely against what the devs are doing, they either wont read or wont do anything, and as someone that's new to vrc, i have never seen this in any other game

[twin river]

Anything being distributed before was verified to be safe. Now, it's just a wildcard. People don't tend to check what they download, 'cause they don't know how to. They just want what they want, and don't care about the potential dangers. I try to prevent that from happening, but now that's out of my hands for the moment.

[vocal shard]

I find it very sad that the moderation team resorted to blackmail creators.

[clear fog]

Hordini could you check dms real quick

[candid acorn]

When tyranny becomes law, resistance becomes duty. 🔫 🦀

[noble depot]

SteamVR addons don't violate the TOS, since they aren't modifying the game's files

[unreal verge]

I'll be honest. I don't treat ToS like a holy bible. Other places have rules against modding too (Beat Saber, Quest itself and Discord) but there are no records of anyone gotten banned, except for Discord but there it depends on what you do.

[tall oriole]

hmm

[uncut hill]

OMEGALUL

[prisma night]

someone will add something more malicious to their clients now, for sure

[tall oriole]

next up, windows itself

[regal furnace]

me neither, but when you already know it is enforced strongly, then i personally wouldnt break it more than necessary

[uncut hill]

uhh ... Why, VRCOS ??

[candid acorn]

The complaint here is that the modders are getting hammered for fixing the game

[clear fog]

bonk

[tall oriole]

just kinda saying my own little spew

[coarse crest]

AOOUAHH

[unreal verge]

The thing is, on neither of the mentioned it was enforced if you didn't abused it. Even in VRChat not. They may banned creators now but didn't touch the users.

[vocal shard]

tbh, discord wont really do anything unless you are negatively impacting them or users. Obviously every ToS is going to say "dont do this which changes our service" but the reality is that its not always enforced that way

[keen shadow]

Well if they banned the creators, I think the next step is banning the people using the mods lol

[candid acorn]

Because it makes the devs look incompetent when something they haven't fixed in like 4 years gets fixed by a modder in like a few minutes

[vocal shard]

I also value my discord account more than vrchat lol

[carmine nebula]

ToS I can understand being in a way fairly balanced. Just feel the way they're handling it is, absurd. Especially when they have a higher motive against people that aren't as malicious as certain users who obtain clients, or doing whatever they do that doesn't compare to these creators

[unreal verge]

I do think they know that this would cause more harm then it solves

[uncut hill]

yeah let'h hope vrc team makes a vrOS

[keen shadow]

Well they also banned QoL mods that help with performance and other stuff so you tell me the thought process here

[light dust]

becuz this is a great idea get to watch vrc burn to the ground lol

[candid acorn]

Conssidering their track record with the game, a vr os from them would have more holes than Swiss cheese

[tall oriole]

ooOooo installing an entire different OS to run this game so mods cant exist

[regal furnace]

there is improvement from both the devs and the modders. There are somewhat good reasons on booth sides. I personally wont resort to modding, even if i can get some features from it, as long as there is no official go for it

[uncut hill]

💯 and they would lock your pc if you install other programs than vrchat 😂

[vocal shard]

yeah thats going to take a huge chunk of vrchats playerbase. talk about shooting yourself in the foot lol

[candid acorn]

It would make Microsoft look good

[carmine nebula]

It is what it is

[uncut hill]

LUL

[unreal verge]

Banning the creators is one thing. Banning users makes them lose players which also may be subscribed to VRC+. And a good chunk of the playerbase uses mods. A amount you simply can't ignore.

[tall oriole]

This is the second time they shot themseves in a way that would destroy half their communtiy

great job

[frosty veldt]

Mods will always exist regardless of the features of the game

[vocal shard]

what was the first time

[coarse crest]

as long as it isnt malicious what is the problem

[regal furnace]

then what was the first time?

[uncut hill]

I cant wait for vrc to ban all mod users, seeing them all go to cvr

[carmine nebula]

It's called dev/mod team logic