vrchat-general-2

[quasi gulch]

17 dynamic bones is not very poor, 256+ is.

[true turtle]

vrchat should push out their dynamic bone script i think

[umbral reef]

Right before they added cloning avatar woulds could not be uploaded unless they had well performing avatars
Then they removed that check, added cloning in the same update and performance tanked slowly over the next weeks

[true turtle]

we cant use cloth system on hairs

[quasi gulch]

they should make an alternate to dbones for sure, that'd be great.

[amber juniper]

therer are actually better options out there, they just would have to allow it to be used...

[frosty veldt]

SoonTM

[subtle tendon]

imagine hairworks still existed and were in use. Imagine that on VRC. That would literally overkill VRC lulz

[true turtle]

dynamic bone compoment over 17 means poor

[frosty veldt]

They want to get rid of 3rd party influence, not add more

[fringe talon]

but avatars is not really an issue, if the safety settings is setup properly it can do a lot to stop those problems.. and yes i know there are a lot of VERY unoptimized avatars.

[twin fractal]

[amber juniper]

like "bouncy bones" and another one where I forgot the name... something with M... can also use way more optimized cloth physics

[distant rampart]

yes I can see many uses for "bouncy bones"

[quasi gulch]

When do you need 17 individual dynamic bone components

[true turtle]

if you have 10 on skirt and have a twin tail hair

[twin fractal]

and 8 boobs

[quasi gulch]

you should only need one for a skirt and one for the hair root. Use constraints to mimic the effects.

[true turtle]

then yes you are going to have over 17 dynamic bones

[distant rampart]

8 asses

[quasi gulch]

No, you really shouldn't.

[amber juniper]

you can combine a lot of stuff

[quasi gulch]

merge your bones with CATs, the skirt should not be 10 by itself.

[surreal crypt]

the problem with deferring everything to safety settings is that unoptimized avatars become the de facto norm due to lack of a hard limit and now users have to choose between seeing anything other than robots or having frames

[true turtle]

if you add all in one then they will be the same parameter

[subtle tendon]

Cyberpunk 2077 devs should learn on how unoptimization (new word, lol) leads to from VRChat.

[distant rampart]

I only use 1-2 bones if I have to, it moves all the other parts as well if I set it in the right spot.

[amber juniper]

for female avatars I usually have about 3-4 components

[true turtle]

thats kind of suck if you wana make it looks good

[quasi gulch]

It's also awful for performance

Hence it being very poor.

[amber juniper]

it is... but compromises

40 collision checks are still better than 2000+ (per avatar)

[twin fractal]

on a basic avatar you can have movement on all the moving parts and still be

[distant rampart]

Tbh I need to really look back on that avatar, it was in good/very good then I added 2 objects attached to it and performance ranking dropped by a lot.

[umbral reef]

Anything medium or above is fine
Medium really do the base line everyone should aim for atleast

[fringe talon]

well that is true yes... but what can they do to make every user satisfied tough? people managed to bypass poly limit when that was a thing

[amber juniper]

I guess you didn't import it in blender, and did it the right way?

[distant rampart]

Base was fine, but not sure if it was the wings itself, cause it hit hard when I added them

[true turtle]

object could come with animator

[distant rampart]

Nah it was ripped from a game

[amber juniper]

I agree, even though my main avatars are poor, as I just can't make it look good and optimize it with my skills. But they are slowly improving

[true turtle]

you might wana check in unity

[distant rampart]

I removed most of anything extra

[amber juniper]

that didn't answer my question ;)

[subtle tendon]

random thought - using 128GB RAM for 64 for OS, 64 for caching

[distant rampart]

Wait wut

Now its in excellent condition

WTF

[true turtle]

thats new

[distant rampart]

I didn't understand your question

[true turtle]

main thing to optimize of avatars should be the materials

[amber juniper]

did you import all the assets in to blender, and added it there? or did you the stuff all in unity (like most of those very poor avatars...)

[true turtle]

the more materials you use on avatar the more laggy it is

[amber juniper]

and dynamic bones those two are eating the cpu performance

[distant rampart]

Assets were directly moved to unity after being ripped, but apparently

[umbral reef]

Each shader gets one material 🙏

[distant rampart]

It doesnt matter now my avatar is somehow in excellent quality.

[umbral reef]

One shader used? Get all them materials merged

[twin fractal]

yeah

[quasi gulch]

material count is nothing compared to dynamic bones. Dynamic bones is not multithreaded and actually costs more frame time the lower your framerate is.

That's not typed wrong; dynamic bones literally exponentially eat frames because of how they're scripted.

[amber juniper]

that's true, but I've seen avatars with 200+ materials (I would go insane managing those materials...)

[true turtle]

well yeah

[quasi gulch]

I dont know how you get above 20 materials without actually trying on purpose

[true turtle]

but theres nothing you can do about dynamic bone

[quasi gulch]

dont use them

[distant rampart]

I use quite a few materials for avatar transitions I don't seem to have any performance hits for the ranking, but bones def

[true turtle]

you can either use it or dont

[distant rampart]

[quasi gulch]

dont use as many of them.

[distant rampart]

But tbh I dont see a reason for more than 1-2 Dbones

[true turtle]

different bones need different colliders

[quasi gulch]

You can make a single chain of bones and use rotation constraints to mimic their effects on other bones with variability.

[true turtle]

same as hair

[amber juniper]

I usually have 5-8 materials, mostly because of different shader settings which aren't compatible, I could probably lower it even more, but as said, lack of skill at the moment

[quasi gulch]

well that costs a lot of performance, you decide weather you want to be very poor or not.

[distant rampart]

I feel, I used alot of materials for avatar transitions I could've sworn my ranking was worse but somehow its ranking went up.

[true turtle]

and yeah also extra things like bows or stuff like that

[amber juniper]

there is even a tool for that which makes it really easy to setup: https://github.com/Naraenda/NarasUnityTools

[true turtle]

nah its normal in vrchat to be poor

just go to public world and open your menu

[quasi gulch]

Someone made a script for doing that? oh my god that's great. Ive been doing it manually

[true turtle]

and you will see most of the people are poor beside quest users

[amber juniper]

and just because: https://github.com/rurre/PumkinsAvatarTools
for those who don't know about it ;)

[umbral reef]

Still so crazy how far these tools have come

[vocal shard]

Is anybody in the Shiba discord server i paid for his patron and every single discord link is broken so i thought maybe someone could invite me

[surreal crypt]

my homegrown avatars are excellent because each mesh is hexagonal and i use one texture

[amber juniper]

a while ago pumkin's avatar tools broke with a specific version of VRC, and I didn't made anything in that time, because it's so essential in my workflow (importing another version of the same fbx and copy everything over)

[frosty veldt]

When you said each mesh is hexagonal I just thought you were using Ngons for a second

[quasi gulch]

got fixed and hour after it borked. the developer is on top of it.

[distant rampart]

Wings work as well <3

[amber juniper]

naa, there was something else, I can't remember what it was, but pumpkin (which is also here, but I'm not gonna ping him) took care really fast

[quasi gulch]

He has his own discord for stuff related to the tool; check his github page and post a bug report if stuff ever pops up.

[amber juniper]

well, my Avatars, even tho they look not that special, have a lot of shader settings for some added details (like a slight tint in the glasses reflection in green, similar to my reallife glasses anti fog coating).

[amber juniper]

I did post bug reports directly on github ;) but thanks anyway

[distant rampart]

Yeah, I just don't know how my avatar quality jumped when last time it said it was bad after adding the wings, vrchat just decided "nah this is fine"

[amber juniper]

was it in the SDK? sometimes that bugs out a bit, and doesn't correctly interpret changes

[distant rampart]

No

[amber juniper]

nevermind then

[distant rampart]

Did I learn magic?

[amber juniper]

*sing* 99 little bugs in the code 99 little bugs. Take one down, patch it around 117 little bugs in the code.

[distant rampart]

I mean not gonna complain tho ykwim

[amber juniper]

I'm still annoyed about that "bug", which doesn't let me upload faster than a bit more than 5MBit/s, only happens in projects with the avatar SDK, worlds upload with full bandwidth

I sensing traffic shaping on their side

[distant rampart]

[amber juniper]

makes it really annoying if you want to update 20+ avatars and it takes 5min or so for every avatar

[distant rampart]

I will admit that was a turn off whenever I was making stuff

[amber juniper]

I mean, it's fine that we have local avatar testing now, but still, updating so much avatars at once...

I could do my taxes in the same time >.<

[distant rampart]

I could order food in that time

Now I want to order food

[vocal shard]

Is there a way to disable the game mirroring to my desktop?

[regal furnace]

minimize the window

[vocal shard]

Is that Windows key + D

[regal furnace]

its just the small - at the top next to the [] and X

[vocal shard]

Really I haven't noticed it being windowed mode.....I've always assumed the mirror is full screen

[regal furnace]

alt + enter to go into windowed mode

[vocal shard]

Is there a launch option in steam to just force the mirror off when in VR?

[regal furnace]

not that i know

[vocal shard]

Okay

Well that's at least something I can do. Thank you

Rift S btw

[rough pulsar]

As far as I know the desktop mirror is just a frame copy of one of your eyes in VR

Only becomes an extra camera if view smoothing or the stream camera are enabled

[vocal shard]

I would rather have what I'm seeing in VR private......mixed household and don't want nsfw stuff being seen

[rough pulsar]

Yeah just minimize the window then

[vocal shard]

Okay

[errant prism]

haha I feel that square

[regal furnace]

i am playing alone and dont want my screen to be seen

[vocal shard]

Yeah we all know nsfw stuff is going to pop up out of no where

Because reasons

[opaque shard]

SteamVR is being a piece of shit.

[cerulean kayak]

RIP I can't favorite any avatars cause I merged my steam and VRC accounts

[stuck veldt]

🦆

[sudden grotto]

have you seen that now they made a way that you can put vrchat as your cam in omegle? that shit is lit its on youtube

[junior grail]

its so cool! ive seen a few vrchat tiktokers do it

[sudden grotto]

do you know nologicdavid?

[junior grail]

it sounds familiar but it might be because ive seen 1 of his vids

[twin fractal]

surprisingly ive never met him online

[sudden grotto]

he the vrchat dancer

[karmic harbor]

Any good program to edit textures ?

[twin fractal]

i think it was tfmjony who started vrchat omegles though (or at least popularized it)

[proud folio]

gimp is decent to edit textures

[twin fractal]

gimp and photoshop (gimp is free)

[proud folio]

If you dont want to pay for photoshop

[junior grail]

yea it sounds really fun, id love to get full body tracking but ive only just got a vr after like years of playing ahaha

[karmic harbor]

Photoshop can be cracked

[junior grail]

krita is also pretty good, i use it (is free)

[karmic harbor]

Time to make my custom kon
It's funny that some fella just leak whole model

[vocal shard]

As far as the screen mirror goes apparently this disables it all together.
"You can turn Oculus "mirror texture" off in Documents/Assetto Corsa/cfg/oculus.ini
[MIRROR_TEXTURE]
ENABLED=0"

[twin fractal]

well obviously

[sudden grotto]

i have oculus 2

[rancid jewel]

I use quest 1 with link

[junior grail]

im getting the hp reverb g2, it just came in stock

like, apparently people in the UK has stolen credit cards and were trying to buy the vr with it

[rancid jewel]

be aware that the reverb g2 controllers don't have some sensors so you cannot do certain gestures in games like vrchat

[junior grail]

yea, for now its going to be short term using it

after awhile im going to get other controllers instead

[rancid jewel]

k good
Some people have asked me "help why can't I do certain gestures I'm using the HP reverb g2"

[junior grail]

haha, its good to know that though so thank you!

[rancid jewel]

ye no problem

[junior grail]

i know that the amount of gestures is limited due to the buttons and stuff

do you know which gestures that can be done?

[rancid jewel]

no clue, haven't tried because I don't own a reverb g2.

[junior grail]

oooh alright, i wasnt sure if others has told you or not

[sudden grotto]

i dont have full body tracking yet but i will get it

[rancid jewel]

make sure you have base stations! trackers can't track without them.

[sudden grotto]

full trackers?

[white verge]

I feel like old vrchat was way better

[rancid jewel]

full body trackers, yes.

your quest cameras aren't constantly looking at the trackers, so they can't track.
base stations are constantly looking all over the place, which includes at your trackers, so then they CAN track.

[sudden grotto]

is there full body tracker that can work with oculus 2?

[rancid jewel]

no. Unless you have base stations

[unreal verge]

And only while connected with PC

[junior grail]

i kind of get what you mean but i somewhat like the new updates not so much vrchat plus though

[lofty wind]

guys

nvm wrong chat room

[junior grail]

lol

[pliant epoch]

All full body tracking solutions for Oculus products require the use of base stations and vive trackers or an Xbox Kinect. The VR headset must also be connected to a PC.

[rancid jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693931930646872178/819242818467659857/unknown.jpeg
base stations look like this, and are usually mounted on poles in the corners of your play area.

[junior grail]

make sure to try and take care of them! there isa thing called the "red dot of death" which appears on them which basically bricks the base station not allowing it to work

in order for you to get tracking again youd need to go buy another

[vocal shard]

For reference, exactly how easy is it to trigger this?

[rancid jewel]

one of the ways I assume is hitting them.

[junior grail]

i believe it isnt very easily triggered but if they arent looked after well it can trigger it

yea, if they are screwed in too far that can cause it too

[rancid jewel]

Unlike regular pieces of technology, hitting them will only make the problem worse!

[junior grail]

im not too sure myself though as i dont have base stations, but on my research when getting a vr i heard a lot of vr users saying that its an issue which happens with the stations

hahaha ikr! you cant use the wack remote method 😦

[sudden grotto]

so its a dot that if you damage it, it breaks the base station?

[rancid jewel]

yes

be careful with them

I almost forgot to connect all these objects in the first place you'll have to do it through steamvr

what is steamvr? It's an application that lets you play VR games on steam.

[sudden grotto]

so all you need is base stations and a pc to do full tracking?

[vocal shard]

agreed

[rancid jewel]

and also the trackers themselves

and steamvr

then you'll be good to go

[sudden grotto]

i dont mean to ask many questions but the steamvr is what connects everything together right?

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 is not the best choice if you are interested in fullbody

[rancid jewel]

pretty much

[vocal shard]

and vive trackers

3 of them

and obv a vr headset

[rancid jewel]

yep, you need three. One for each foot and for the hip

[languid beacon]

Fullbody with quest 2 needs to buy all the stuff you’d have needed to have for index or vive so it’s far better to just get index or vive entirely

[vocal shard]

I have a index with full body, pretty nice ngl

[sudden grotto]

are the vive trackers are base stations?

[languid beacon]

Yeah same index with fullbody is nice. Wish I could up the super sample

[rancid jewel]

no. The trackers and base stations are separate things

[languid beacon]

Herobrine your questions are coming off as super confused

[white verge]

tbh

[sudden grotto]

im trying to see how much it is to full body track

[white verge]

Valve index or PS5

[languid beacon]

If you have an index or vive, fullbody is around 300 USD. If you have an oculus headset, fullbody will be around 560 USD

[rancid jewel]

...because of the extra cost for base stations

[languid beacon]

Correct

[mint meadow]

guys can someone help me find a puppet from fnaf avatar?

[languid beacon]

There is also the kinect method which you can get a used Kinect One for 60 USD but it’s not great

And by Kinect One I mean the second Kinect.

[rancid jewel]

I literally dreamed about using a kinect for full body
am I ok?

[languid beacon]

It’s pretty bad

[rancid jewel]

ye ik

dreams are weird

[rough pulsar]

Kinect tracking isn't unusable, but it's definitely not 100% equivalent to trackers.

[languid beacon]

For what it’s worth before I had vive trackers I tried out kinect’s fullbody and decided VRchat was more enjoyable not using it, since I could turn around and at the time most avatars broke in fullbody anyway

Having a full lighthouse tracking fullbody set up these days is wonderful in vrc, most avatars just support, it’s rare one doesn’t

[cinder elk]

do friend requests work??

[rancid jewel]

yeah

[cinder elk]

i cant add anyone

[rough pulsar]

To be fair, expecting good quality rigs out of public avatars is going to end in disappointment. If you're doing FBT and not making your own avatar you don't have any room to complain.

[cinder elk]

no ones getting my requests

im not getting anyones

[arctic elm]

speaking of making your own avatars, I really need to learn how to sculpt, model, rig, etc

[languid beacon]

I know you shouldn’t expect it but, to my surprise most work just fine. The current avatar creation workflow doesn’t really require you keep fullbody in mind you just get it for free unless you’ve done something crazy. Especially if you use the new calibration method nearly everything works in fullbody

[languid beacon]

I didn’t know any blender or unity when I joined VRC - I’m shocked how easy it is to pick up. I wish I started learning years ago.

[cinder elk]

can anyone help???

[rancid jewel]

yeah unity is really easy to learn

[arctic elm]

I've got a lot of the unity stuff down. av3 is super fun. mostly the blender stuff I suck at

[languid beacon]

I find most of blenders core concepts can be learned in half an hour you just really need the right tutor. And a good lesson in ultra-blender basics are really hard to find

I recommend skillshare and udemy

[rough pulsar]

Blender Foundation's youtube channel

[languid beacon]

If you have unity under your belt you’ll be fine with blender

[arctic elm]

mostly sculpting and textures seem hard tbh. I'm sure rigging and learning my way around blender won't be too bad

[cinder elk]

:(

[rough pulsar]

Rigging and weight painting are nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be

[languid beacon]

Especially if you know av3. Av3 is far more convoluted than basic blender model -> rig -> uv workflows

[arctic elm]

#user-support-old

[rough pulsar]

Eh, av3 is only complex if you want to use all the features of it

[languid beacon]

I dooo

[rough pulsar]

For the essentials it's not too different

[arctic elm]

all of the features 👀

[rough pulsar]

And at that point you should learn how unity's animation system works.
all of it

[languid beacon]

I’m not saying difficulty using it I’m saying difficulty learning it. Av3 was a trail and error thing for me and it took a week lol

But yes I was also coming into unity animators blind

[arctic elm]

same pretty much

[languid beacon]

Well take it from me blender is easier to learn you just need the right instructions. It’s simple just harder to trial and error on your own

[arctic elm]

soo... vive lip tracker support on vrc? 👀

[vocal shard]

probably in 6 years

[stable axle]

lip?

[languid beacon]

You’ll only be using like 8% of blender for VRChat anyways

[vocal shard]

the things just under your nose

by opening them you have access to your mouth

[arctic elm]

yeah I'm sure, there's a lot of fancy stuff in there

no clue how it's free

[languid beacon]

Learn the panels, just like unity it’s all modular panels

[rough pulsar]

If you want to see what blender's capable of, of look up the blender foundation's open movie projects

[rancid nova]

hey i have a quest 2 and idk what i checkmarked and now my left controller is doing gestures for both my hands

[arctic elm]

think my issue is I have no idea how to go from a block of clay to a face a large... body

[languid beacon]

And for gods sake just learn the most current version don’t get into the 1.79 trap

[arctic elm]

latest is bestest

[rough pulsar]

there was never anything wrong with the previous versions, just people buttmad they couldn't figure it out by looking at it.

[rancid nova]

can anyone tell me how i can make my left controller for moving forward back and my right controller for rotating around ?

[rough pulsar]

spoiler: all 3d software is like that. You need to learn it. Intuitivity can literally only take you so far and with something as complex as a 3d content creation program that so far may as well not exist.

[languid beacon]

I learned the old version first and yes it’s fine but you end up with all of this knowledge and you never want to feel like a noob again by going past .79. Took me 3 days to get accustomed .80 but many don’t wanna rip the bandaid off

[arctic elm]

I just started with .8 it seems nice

[rough pulsar]

It just takes a little while to see where they moved stuff around to. Some design decisions were actually bad but can be reconfigured to something not stupid.

[languid beacon]

Yeah I put search back on space and need my ctrl A to toggle

[rough pulsar]

Lock Object Modes is actually the worst one and should have never been a default

how the fuck that got to be a default is beyond me

[languid beacon]

The left / right click flip tho I fully support it being the sane way around now

[arctic elm]

ohh yeah keybinds were the biggest pain because a lot of tutorials were still .79

[languid beacon]

That is what took me a bit to unlearn

[rough pulsar]

No, it's not sane. Right click to select + middle click for rotate is objectively better

Index on wheel, middle on right click. Strong fingers where they're needed.

That's why that button layout was even used. It's about what fingers are most capable.

[languid beacon]

I prefer it working like every other Windows program

[rough pulsar]

It's okay to have wrong opinions 🙃

[arctic elm]

did y'all change blender and unity settings to match? so navigating the 3d space is the same controls?

[languid beacon]

Left click select, right click context menu, left click drag box select

[rough pulsar]

Nope, since it's a useful hint that they're separate environments

[languid beacon]

I have a 3D mouse so camera controls are identical across all my apps

:D

[arctic elm]

if I get serious about it I'll probably get one. I have dumb brain so I see 3d workspace and my hands default to one control set lol

[languid beacon]

Unity’s control-D “duplicate” being window’s “delete without confirmation” Is just wonderful

[arctic elm]

I'm just use to that being duplicate from adobe stuff

[rancid jewel]

oh lord

[rough pulsar]

And blender has two kinds of duplicate, which to be fair are very useful.

[arctic elm]

oh boy, my flight is cancelled ig

[rancid jewel]

rip

[arctic elm]

at least I get the day off lol

[rancid jewel]

where were ya gonna fly to

[arctic elm]

just a training flight. clouds are super low and it's below freezing so icing is a concern

[rancid jewel]

ah ok

[arctic elm]

lmao I was looking up this 3d mouse on Amazon and one of the results is a dva butt mouse pad

[rancid jewel]

👀

[silver rain]

well did you buy it?

[arctic elm]

ofc

[rancid jewel]

[sudden grotto]

so do you need the 1.0 and 2.0 base stations together or just one?

[arctic elm]

get 3 2.0 base stations for optimal coverage

[rancid jewel]

both 1.0 and 2.0 work, I'd prefer getting the 2.0 ones though.

[languid beacon]

I recommend 3Dconnextion’s SpaceNavigator. But I bought mine back in 2006 when they were only 50 bucks. For some reason it’s more expensive 15 years later

[lunar root]

iVRy is actually pretty usable whilst i wait for a headset

[languid beacon]

Just to be clear 1.0 does not work with 2.0 base stations. They must all be the same version. I also highly recommend not getting 1.0’s. They will be near useless in the future 

You’ll never be able to sell them, and they won’t work with any new headsets

[wintry crow]

online

[vocal shard]

If your vrchat worlds get reported do you get deranked

[sudden grotto]

yeah im geting the 2.0s

[arctic elm]

I was looking at that or spacemouse. bit cheaper

[modern glade]

[vocal shard]

you lose some trust depending on the severity of the ban but if it was popular enough you might atually have net gain

I gained more trust from my world that got taken down LMAO

[modern glade]

lol

[vocal shard]

people love avatar worlds with heaps of nsfw, meme, and shader avatars

[modern glade]

cool

[languid beacon]

Good thing you are detailing that here. Might be worth the devs taking into consideration

[clever sand]

i need help, everyone is muted and has a bot with an x on it

[vocal shard]

yeah its ironic how that works

i think you have safe mode on

[modern glade]

yeah

[clever sand]

how do i turn it off

[vocal shard]

Just go to safety and press none

[clever sand]

im in safety i dont see none

[vocal shard]

hold up i forgot what its called

[clever sand]

i got it

[vocal shard]

kk

[modern glade]

such a simple fix

[clever sand]

now everyones stuck on 0% / 1MB

[modern glade]

I wish my problem was that easy

[vocal shard]

on safety go to performance options

[modern glade]

I'm still trying to figure out why my avatars are walking weirdly

[clever sand]

ok

[vocal shard]

and press put it on no limit

[clever sand]

i did, its still stuck it wasnt like this earlier

[vocal shard]

reset your vrchat and clear cache

I saw someone write the n word in Black Cat once and I forgot to report him, and I forgot his name

just record it next time it happens and make a manual report in #moderation-reports

Just block them they are immature trying to grab attention

ingame reports do jack shit

Oh I didn’t know that l. I thought that they would do something

Anybody know why some of my vrchat worlds are fine in one lense but in the other it blank

they affect trust rank thats it

Shit

[vocal shard]

its some weird glitch when you covert a pc unity world to android just do it again that worked for me at least

[clever sand]

ya everyones a blue loading thing and its stuck at 0% / 1MB

[vocal shard]

@clever sand Im having the same problem at the moment so i dont really have a fix its been happening for me a year

Its not terrible but its a problem

its the reason people are reporting my world and i wanted to fix it

[modern glade]

if this server had a pissed off emote that would me what I'm feeling rn

[vocal shard]

why?

[modern glade]

avatars for me are broken

idk why

[vocal shard]

whats broken abt them

[modern glade]

the walking

I switch to pc working fine I hop on vr back to being broken

[clever sand]

now they say "perf blocked"

[vocal shard]

@clever sand Click on their profile and press show avatar

[clever sand]

ok, is there anyway i can make it so i dont have to

[vocal shard]

change your storage limit in safety settings

go on safety press performance options and put it on no limit

if you want to download 150MB+ avatars sure

wait you on quest or pc

[clever sand]

PC

[frosty veldt]

Weird problems like that are usually caused by bad shaders or post processing, are you using anything like that?

[torpid knot]

i have to get quest cuz im broke lol

[vocal shard]

no its does say any bad shaders are inside the world

[frosty veldt]

It wont tell you that a shader is bad, bad here just means that it is using something that is not supported in VR

[nova knot]

the sky is pink rn what

[vocal shard]

Yeah i know when i switch to android i use the shaders provided in VRChat/Mobile

[clever sand]

i changed it to no limit but it still is a robot with "perf blocked"

i wanna make it so i dont have to click show avatar

[vocal shard]

hey guys i am new to the vrchat, i saw people can make their character hollow knight, how can i do it?

Find it in a avatar world

ok thanks for telling

[clever sand]

@vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Try reinstalling vrchat and remove all of your data in%appdata% so it starts fresh

only delete the vrchat file though

[clever sand]

i need to delete it to make it not perf blocked?

[vocal shard]

Well im not sure but it might fix it

i dont really know what else you can do

[clever sand]

theres no problems anymore, i just need the saftey setting off for it

[vocal shard]

it shouldnt say perf blocked unless you have no storage left on your pc

oh ok

[clever sand]

i just dont know where the setting is

[modern glade]

press esc

[vocal shard]

so uhhh, wheres avatar world?

[modern glade]

look for it

[vocal shard]

but idk where it is :/

[modern glade]

thats why you look

[vocal shard]

uhh

so avatar world is on different places for different players?

[modern glade]

quick question have you ever watched a youtube video of vrchat

[vocal shard]

nope

i mean the ones i watched has nothing with avatar world

[modern glade]

someone els help him im already losing my patience with my problem on vrchat

[languid beacon]

Videos of VRchat, on YouTube? Idk, Sounds fake.

[vocal shard]

is it that hard to explain where avatar world is?

[cosmic shale]

Uhuh

[modern glade]

what are you on pc or vr

[vocal shard]

pc

[modern glade]

ok go to your menu press esc

[vocal shard]

okay

now?

[modern glade]

you see the word worlds

[vocal shard]

yes

[modern glade]

click on it

[vocal shard]

dammit how couldn't i think of that

i think i can do the rest now, thanks for help

[modern glade]

mhm

[vocal shard]

i just searched "avatar world" on search bar and several maps show up

[modern glade]

yeah those worlds have avatars in them

[vocal shard]

k

any ideas which one has hollow knight characters?

[modern glade]

nope

look up hollow knight in the search bar

[languid beacon]

#avatar-search-old

[vocal shard]

wait i think i found it

[modern glade]

if you evey what to find something try the search bar its there for a reason lol

[stable axle]

anyone drinking?

[vocal shard]

crashers are ok sometime because they remind me to reopen the game to get rid of the memory leak

[regal furnace]

thats a very optimistic way to see that

[empty parrot]

Yo

[late void]

Wish I could. It makes me sick

[stable axle]

@late void smh

[late void]

😒 😵

No it actually makes me sick. I cannot

[stable axle]

how old r u tho

[empty parrot]

Imagine gettin girl voice trolled by me

[late void]

Old enough to drink

[empty parrot]

🤌

[stable axle]

im 28 lol

shame it makes you sick, i do be vibing tho by myself lmao need drinking buddys

[tight siren]

is there a way to put an agegate on a lobby? its kinda annoying trying to set up a lobby with friends and having literal children join

[surreal crypt]

nope

[empty parrot]

Bet

[late void]

😢

[empty parrot]

I drink wit hu

[stable axle]

add me?

[empty parrot]

I’m 15

[stable axle]

and you drink?

[empty parrot]

[surreal crypt]

best you can do is to pick up age appropriate groupies elsewhere and invite them all to an invite instance

[stable axle]

hmm

[empty parrot]

I can

[stable axle]

im 28 id rather not drink with a 15 year old and make a mistake fuck that LOL

[empty parrot]

Damn

[brazen zinc]

👀

[tight siren]

i guess i just gotta try and meet more people then

[stable axle]

haha

add me on vr tho we can chill

[haughty creek]

Huge leak https://twitter.com/OlivierJT_SU/status/1369698371959685120?s=20

[empty parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-chugs-alcoholic-drink-getting-drunk-gif-17480983

[stable axle]

same name lewwy

[haughty creek]

On the new tundra trackers

[arctic elm]

oh boy, vive trackers 3.0 got announced

now we just need vrc to support 10 point tracking

[languid beacon]

Even better than vive trackers 3.0, tundra trackers got announced and they are even smaller, with the added benefit of not being made by HTC, for the same price

[vocal shard]

biggest selling point : not made by htc
second biggest selling point : they are WAY smaller

[languid beacon]

I already swore off HTC after they made me RMA my base stations twice and returned it without fixing it, twice, and then refused a refund. It’s still sitting here useless in case I need parts

[junior grail]

im so sorry you had to deal with that!

i was planning on looking into the htc headsets like used and stuff but ive heard bas customer support stuff on them

[steady maple]

there's no way to make vrchat touch to move instead of press to move, right?

[languid beacon]

Could you be more specific?

[steady maple]

i don't want to press to move, i want to touch to move

with vive wand

[languid beacon]

I am pretty sure VRChat is totally re-bindable; you can certainly move actions to touch actions on index controllers but I don’t have vive wands to know if that bind menu stuff is accessible as well. But it seems to be a general SteamVR thing

[rough pulsar]

Alter the binding in steamvr so a touch sends a click

You'll lose the ability to make gestures unless you figure something else out

Also if you have vive advanced input enabled you only need to click once to start moving, as long as you keep touching the pad it'll continue to register your input

[vocal shard]

Is anybody in the Shiba patron server I’m trying to get in but no discord links work

[late void]

isnt it already touch to move???? im on vive wands

[opaque shard]

Welp.

Tundra Trackers are a no buy from me.

Cheaper alternative

$300 for 3.

[woven reef]

Crap! i forgot my password on my NotDalo0811 account and i accidently logged out

[languid beacon]

Who said it was cheaper

I mean you get an increased value for being smaller and not being made by HTC, but yes it’s the same price

[opaque shard]

https://www.roadtovr.com/tundra-tracker-vive-tracker-alternative-steamvr-tracking/

Specifically the device is expected to be “60% smaller, consume about 50% less power, weight 50% less, and have twice the battery life,” compared to the Vive Tracker, he tells Road to VR. Beno also plans to deliver the Tundra Tracker at a slightly lower cost than the $100 Vive Tracker, along with additional discounts for tracker bundles.

[pliant epoch]

A better question to ask is are the components made to the same quality standards as HTC.

[karmic harbor]

I finished my kon

[late void]

good. throw it away

[cosmic shale]

And so said 80% of vrchat users

[late void]

🤣

[cosmic shale]

Or 95

[vocal shard]

how do i make VRchat full screen for pc

[karmic harbor]

U know it

Fuck

Hmm

What ya waiting for man

[umbral reef]

It do be a full 5 bucks a piece cheaper so they didnt lie :^)

[opaque shard]

<_<

[languid beacon]

“Wow it will consume 50% less power AND have twice the battery life”

Lol... yes I’d hope so

[languid beacon]

Let’s hope not!

[karmic harbor]

What are the best trackers available now ?

[terse wyvern]

anyone here know a lot about buying and selling avatars?

[languid beacon]

HTC 2.0 trackers for $100 usd each. You’ll need 3 of them for VRChat, as well as either vive or index base stations which are $130 each and you want at least two of those.

[copper solar]

^

there are cheaper options but vive trackers have the best tracking

[languid beacon]

Given they just announced 3.0’s, I’d probably not buy them as their price will drop heavily soon

I’m predicting some ebay sellers may start preemptively selling their 2.0’s at a discount in the next few days

[vocal shard]

i know a few things

[copper solar]

what’s a good world for pictures?

[terse wyvern]

how much do you think a fair offer would be to buy an avatar from someone that just edited a public avatar made by someone else

[vocal shard]

how much did that person edit the avatar?

and or what did they edit on the avatar

[copper solar]

suki

[karmic harbor]

I think I'm gonna wait for price drop

[copper solar]

what world is in your profile pic

[vocal shard]

please follow rules number 15~ no posting the same question or statement across multiple channels.

i think it’s called kawaii JP, the rest is in japanese

[copper solar]

thanks

[vocal shard]

i was typing there’s slow mode, just give me a minute.

[karmic harbor]

It's depends much about work putted

[terse wyvern]

i can send u the pic of the original public one and then the edit'd one

[vocal shard]

that would be great!

[karmic harbor]

Are there some custom emotes animation and items?

[vocal shard]

^

[terse wyvern]

no clue about that part, just know the look

[rancid jewel]

yoo new build

thanks team

[vocal shard]

well it mostly depends, whenever i get those pics i’ll be able to help more

[lunar root]

thanks tupper and everyone ! :D

i might come on in a bit

[tawdry ledge]

yo MIDI support got serious potential for concerts in VR

[karmic harbor]

New vrchat version neet

[finite token]

LMAO MIDI

[karmic harbor]

What's broken now

[tawdry ledge]

that kinda hype ngl

[ionic sand]

hi guys

[karmic harbor]

Can you send it to me

[pale sundial]

MIDI Support~!!!!!! YEaaaaass!!!!

[finite token]

can I actually use MIDI sound module like my SC-55mkII for VRChat?

[finite steppe]

Ruuubick ruined my one moment where i actually had the last message in #open-beta-discussion for once... GG

[rancid jewel]

now to wait for the update to reach me

[karmic harbor]

Brush

[finite token]

lol

[modern glade]

whats this "Grounded" layer calculation

[pale sundial]

can finally do extensive live sets Via Midi. i wonder if you can use Ableton Via VRChat Midi

is theres Midi output

[covert chasm]

sure why not

[pale sundial]

YES!!!

[covert chasm]

if ableton can dump out midi like an instrument, it can communicate with vrc

[pale sundial]

Thankyou!!!

[covert chasm]

ohhh you mean if vrchat OUTPUTS midi

no that doesn't exist

[pale sundial]

yeaaa

[covert chasm]

sorry zeon

[finite token]

bruh

[covert chasm]

good idea though

[pale sundial]

i was in high hopes ;-;

[finite token]

only input?

smh

[deep ibex]

when downloading the sdk3 avatars, it shows worlds and vice versa lol

[covert chasm]

its basically moving over the midi support from SDK2 to SDK3

[covert chasm]

oh, is it flipped?

checking

[finite token]

i was hoping that I can use my SC-8850

[vocal shard]

pog

[pale sundial]

that would be so cool tho, like. creating some kind of custom trigger interface in vrc. so you can control in ableton and have it export to a live stream panel in a world

[deep ibex]

yeah

[vocal shard]

poggies

[pale sundial]

so you wouldnt need to take off your headset

[hard burrow]

MIDI sounds really fun to poke around with.

[thin gyro]

Thing is midi was always unusable because it triggered notes both on press and release

[covert chasm]

thank you for the heads up, we're fixing

[opaque shard]

New VRChat Update
What is going to be broken now VRC.

[thin gyro]

So I hope something changed

[deep ibex]

np

[stoic pier]

midi support oh my god

[finite token]

you can only use midi input

VRChat can't be a MIDI player

[stoic pier]

thats fine i only want input

[finite token]

lol

[stoic pier]

dude i can finally play piano in world with an actual keyboard

no more awkwardly trying to hit keys with my index finger finally

[finite token]

which it's awesome

[umbral reef]

Already could in non udon worlds, now you can also in udon worlds!

[stoic pier]

im gonna have to pull my keyboard out of storage for that

[ashen adder]

ello

[stoic pier]

yea but no non-udon worlds that i frequent did it anyway

[covert chasm]

it isn't just migrating midi from SDK2 to 3, it also got some new stuff i believe

[prisma linden]

[pale sundial]

i thought midi support was already a thing back in 2017, really wishing for a VRChat > Midi output option so we could use vrchat as a midi tool

[covert chasm]

i think it handles velocity now?

[stoic pier]

i know a ton of worlds that are gonna do it now since its in udon

[stoic pier]

oh nice

[covert chasm]

oh, no, i'm wrong

maybe soon™️ though

[stoic pier]

darn

[finite token]

Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth played in VRChat imo

[covert chasm]

dang

O

double wrong

we have velocity

[stoic pier]

wait i just realized

[covert chasm]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/midi

[stoic pier]

i could hackily abuse this to make custom controllers for my minigames

[covert chasm]

yes 🙂

[limber warren]

It’s so weird seeing nobody in public worlds because barely anyone else updated the game yet

[hollow perch]

the onRespawn event code is actually really exciting for me, I was waiting for that for so long

[finite token]

can any objects like drums be controlled by MIDI?

[versed dock]

[finite token]

for example, playing drums through channel 10

[stoic pier]

@finite token as long as its a midi instrument it should work i assume

now i cant wait for that one world with the synthesia clone in it to add this

because then my playing wont sound like ass because i can actually hit keys

[copper solar]

nice choice of song 😉

[late void]

Ok so if you press it once and then keep your finger rested it will continue to move

You don't have to keep pressing

[covert chasm]

its an "enacore"/webcore playlist i found, so ofc it has earthbound stuff on it

[rancid jewel]

yoooo webcore hell yeah

[covert chasm]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1ibXGJRWjBNV9A2YC6DtIK?si=xjl1Ky4fQyuJZnWYn2DNHw

its pretty guud

[rancid jewel]

YOOOO

nice

[opaque shard]

Not available in my country.

[rancid jewel]

rip

[vocal shard]

is it a update where friends have to update to be able to join them

[rancid jewel]

yes

[finite token]

i got a bunch of MIDI files including anime ED/OPs if anyone wants

but they're all XG formatted

[wraith portal]

Is that audio/voice channel bandwidth fix to address the loss of audio from other players speaking?

[languid beacon]

how does one connect a midi instrument to Steam in the first place so that VRChat receives it

[rancid jewel]

magic

[thin gyro]

Tupper if you're still here
I need a little clarification

Midi support was already there for non udon right?
Well, every single world I tried was playing notes on both onPress and onRelease

[sharp saddle]

Is the Pringles can mic on Oculus or VRC's side of things? My money's on Oculus.

[thin gyro]

Doesn't involve steam
It's just like Rust, the MIDI input goes directly to the game

[ruby needle]

Yes Midi was there for SDK2

Now it's available for SDK3 aka UDON

[thin gyro]

Yeah but if it works the same way it's still unusable for me lol

[ruby needle]

SDK2 MIDI was definitely less feature rich.

[primal flint]

honk

[rancid jewel]

noodles

[vocal shard]

anyone else having trouble trying to join friends

[hollow sundial]

Does the new update allow Quest 2 users to see all the avatars finnaly? Or have I read it wrong.

[lean dust]

Smh, game crashed, relaunched, updated, no one is with the update yet so all the worlds are empty.

[vocal shard]

I just updated but trying to join friends just puts me in an empty lobby

[lean dust]

@vocal shard they're on the old version

[rancid jewel]

your friends have to update the game as well.

[vocal shard]

same here empty worlds

kk

Try updating again

For anyone on oculus

I need help 😄

[rancid jewel]

uhh.. no.
the issue is your friends are on an older verson of the game.

so tell them to update it.

[velvet quarry]

The old and new versions are not network compatible, so people will have to update to be on the same version.

[hollow sundial]

O

[vocal shard]

Can i have some help?

[rancid jewel]

with?

[vocal shard]

so we all have to wait for more ppl to update?

[velvet gull]

So, with MIDI support for SDK3, could you use MIDI controllers to manipulate objects in-world? For example, If I move a slider/knob on my DJ controller, it's replicated on a model/world object?

[rancid jewel]

yes.

[vocal shard]

lmaooo

[thin gyro]

Yes it's always been like that

[vocal shard]

this gamee

[lean dust]

Any way to rollback to the previous version? Everyone in public lobbies is on the old version, I pretty much forfeit my night because it's going to take hours before worlds are populated with people on the newest update.

[rancid jewel]

i dont think there is

[hollow sundial]

At least you have time to search worlds for avatars alone?

[thin gyro]

Don't think it takes hours also tbh

[rancid jewel]

you're just going to have to wait a couple of hours for people to update.

[thin gyro]

A lot of people go out to update and jump back in so

[hollow sundial]

btw will The quest 2 support all the vr chat avatars soon or. // Standalone

[civic cedar]

prob not

[hollow sundial]

frig

[umbral reef]

Unless the hardware from the quest 2 changes from running on an andriod version and will become a PC version then no
They cant make it work, the games render things totally different because the hardware languages are different

[wraith portal]

I'm guessing the loss of audio from other players remains unfixed then.

[velvet gull]

No, the hardware of the quest cant handle it, considering 99% of User generated content is unoptimised.

[merry minnow]

i doubt it. the hardware isnt powerful enough. one godfall model would crash the quest

[hollow sundial]

Oh that makes sense, dunno why I didn't think of that.

But it does work when linked with a pc right?

[velvet gull]

Yes

[hollow sundial]

Alright thanks.

[velvet gull]

You can use either virtual desktop to be fully wireless, or use oculus link.

[civic cedar]

it is so strange going on vrchat and not seeing people, like, maybe i shouldent have updated right away ( i didnt know that i wouldent be able to see anyone)

[humble cloud]

Someone tell me what I can expect to see now that MIDI is in the game

[velvet gull]

Wondering the exact same thing.

[velvet quarry]

There's also the problem of platforms, content build for Android is not compatible with Windows and vice-versa.

[hollow sundial]

I have alot of people using the wifi here, idk if the virtual desktop would be really laggy

[ruby needle]

It actually already has been there with SDK2.
But now with Udon it allows for much more use, like controlling things in the world.

[velvet gull]

Oh? Does content built for quest use a different file format or something?

[hollow sundial]

Likely

[still wolf]

uwu 100% loading glitch

[velvet quarry]

I don't know the exact technical details, but there's architectural differences between how those unity versions handle things.

[umbral reef]

The architecture is build off andriod and not the windows platform so yea ish

[velvet gull]

Yeah, I can see that being a thing now that you mention it, completely forgot about unity mobile for a minute.

[torpid knot]

AMD Radeon HD 5670 graphics card
what vr would be good with this could u dm me thanks

[regal furnace]

none

[merry minnow]

uhhh i dont think you could run vr with that

[torpid knot]

oh

[velvet gull]

Yep, not gonna run VR

[torpid knot]

so oculus it is

guess ill save up for a better graphics card lol

[velvet gull]

GPU: NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD R9 290 equivalent or greater.

Required minimum for low-fidelity VR

Might get away with lower, but won't be a pleasant experience

[languid beacon]

I’m still shocked that most people’s Pc’s are so out of date that a mobile CPU out performs it in vr

[umbral reef]

Younger people often get hand down pc's or the most budget thing there parent could find

[torpid knot]

500!

[merry minnow]

the quest 2 isnt rendering the same vrc though

[torpid knot]

guess its starving time

[umbral reef]

And as its hard to get money when younger, its kinda imposible to upgrade unless you save for years

[velvet gull]

Yep, a lot of it comes down to kids getting a $600 prebuilt for christmas or birthdays.

[torpid knot]

yh i got handed this

[spring mist]

that's why they get quests

[velvet gull]

^^^

[umbral reef]

And 600 prebuilds right now are worth shit when higher-ish cards are alone 600 kekw

[languid beacon]

It isn’t, but you can have pretty terrible specs and still handle VRC in VR on DesktopLow

[torpid knot]

i have every good thing but graphics

[velvet gull]

You forgot another 0 on the end of that

lmao

[spring mist]

i know there's pc only worlds or whatever but are there like, really good ones that are pc only?

[merry minnow]

true true tho. ive seen dual core ivy bridge laptop with mobile nvidia geforce 710 and 4gb ram run vrc

[languid beacon]

Most of VRChat is PC only.

[torpid knot]

like seriously first no dino nuggies now this

[spring mist]

idk coz it's world dependent tbH

[spring mist]

riperino

[velvet gull]

Saying it's world dependent is just a huge cap IMO, I have friends with 3080's who barely push 45fps in moderately populated worlds

[languid beacon]

The quest only / crossplay areas of VRChat are a small subset. And most will be wearing pc only avatars in crossplay worlds 

[spring mist]

doesn't that actually prove it instead tho

[rancid jewel]

mfw people just dont have the energy to optimize their avatars

[spring mist]

oh right right

[merry minnow]

good day in a populated world for me is 30 stable

[upbeat sphinx]

Specs dont matter in vrchat basically

[merry minnow]

yeah

[velvet gull]

By optimise you mean decimate so much that it looks like a quest avatar right?

Yeah, I'd rather take the performance hit tbh.

[spring mist]

the fps difference when i change the privacy thing is indeed wild tho lmao

[merry minnow]

its been over a year since ive turned dynamics on locally

[spring mist]

"it's a fucken avatar........."

[rancid jewel]

we don't need 2 trillion poly catgirl avatar with 12k dynamic bones and 8k textures.

and also the avatar itself is a shader

[umbral reef]

Beside that decimation impacts barely anything compared to most other things
If you use all the automated tools to optimize, literally a button press and boom, all materials combined, you wont lose any looks.
Wont look any worse at all unless your doing it wrong on purpose

If your avatar needs 40 dynamic bones with 20 colliders
Your just a shit avatar maker and should be ashamed

[merry minnow]

my usual first step in optimizing is seeing exactly how much covered skin i can remove

[velvet gull]

I don't make avatars, so I can't say I contribute to it, merely giving my opinion, no need to be so toxic @umbral reef

[rancid jewel]

"but i NEEED 12 thousand dynamic bones for jiggle physics!!"

[spring mist]

but rember there will be fullbody users with the avatar too tho

[velvet gull]

The whole point of VR is immersion, these fine details add to said immersion.

[hollow sundial]

How do I know if I have 2.4 GHz or 5GHz?

[umbral reef]

Then forward my toxicity to those who do and think the same as you.
As we get plenty of those in here.

Optimization has nothing to do with looks and often even improves how things look. 🤷‍♂️

[rancid jewel]

pretty sure with all that extra stuff in an avatar that actually decreases frames by a lot and makes the immersion LESS

[spring mist]

idk man, i always noticed little missing details in quest worlds alone for example

[velvet gull]

News Flash: Resident VRChat Player is dismissed as an asshole for liking detailed models, more to follow.

[spring mist]

and if ur angery about it just hide the person

[rancid jewel]

detailed avatars are fine, as long as they aren't 2 trillion polys and also if they dont have a comical amount of dynamic bones

[velvet gull]

This, literally just hide avatars and use safety.

It's there for a reason yet people still complain.

[merry minnow]

polys usually wont be the major cause of perf loss on pc unless its something exotic. its more dynamics/cloth/materials

[spring mist]

don't expect to be able to ask vrc to enforce some sort of limit or something, coz that's wacktastic

[umbral reef]

You mean with a wifi connection? If so, id really suggest trying to get a wired one if possible.
If you still want to see it:
Go to the windows commandline and type :netsh wlan show interfaces
See Radio Type and Channel, should say what it is there.

If you dont know how to do so, google it.
As me explaining it wont be anything better then what google can tell you.

[upbeat tundra]

who wanna play vr chat in a bit

[umbral reef]

Funfact, they literally did so for avatar worlds for ages.
All avatars uploaded in avatar worlds had to be above a specific performance standard else they the whole world would be denied.

[upbeat tundra]

i have the most rare skin in the whole game

[spring mist]

damn, well sounds like that's gone for a reason

[hollow sundial]

Ok ty

[umbral reef]

Well its gone because avatar cloning became a thing

[opal bone]

suck my dick

[velvet gull]

didn't ask

[umbral reef]

It did fucking wonders, the masses used well performing avatars.
You could still upload your shitty version yourself and the performance in rooms was leaps higher
It was kinda normal to get 45+ FPS in 20+ people lobbies without any dips on the shit hardware people run around with

[velvet gull]

When was this? I've played since launch and don't recall this.

[umbral reef]

Not sure what you call since launch then

[velvet gull]

Probably didn't help that I was only friends+ or private, but yeah

[umbral reef]

Also, that do be a current thing just not in publics
Any moderated event where you have to use medium or higher performing avatars can run with 30+ rooms
Only time it gets hard on everyone is when your stupidly close and start yelling at the same time

[hollow sundial]

Sadly can't get wired but have you got any Dongle (or wireless wifi usbs) suggestions? Or are they all the same

[rancid jewel]

nah im good

[spring mist]

hold on lemme grab the m i c r o s c o p e

[stray hamlet]

MIDI SUPPORT!

every single world adds a vpiano in it

[paper estuary]

You will need a 1000x scope

[rancid jewel]

you're gonna need more then just t hat

[stray hamlet]

Becomes the new mirror

[spring mist]

i'm zooming in and i can't see it yet

[cosmic shale]

You’re not a quest avatar maker*

[umbral reef]

Depends what/why you need it. Im personally a fan of just adding a new aces point instead of getting a tool to recieve the bad connection better.

[vocal shard]

hello i need help anyone

[rapid sedge]

finally, now I can use my $32 MIDI keyboard lol

[rancid jewel]

with?

[paper estuary]

Anyone wanna play for a bit

[spring mist]

he's a .dll, sounds like a virus

[vocal shard]

my game assembly files are locked help

[rancid jewel]

why do you need access to those files

[cosmic shale]

Honestly unless you can already upload your avatar as quest anyway, you don’t need to make it quest compatible at all

[vocal shard]

update

[rancid jewel]

update your game through the update button on steam, silly.

[spring mist]

if i made avatars and or worlds i would straight up not make it for quest coz quest users on avg are just toxic kids, and if u use quest link you're probly good nuf

[vocal shard]

i CANT

[rancid jewel]

then wait for the update to come to you

it takes a while

[umbral reef]

reboot steam then

[velvet gull]

Uninstall and reinstall, it's only like 200mb

[vocal shard]

i did

[rapid sedge]

right click vrchat, click local files, and select "Verify integrity of game files..."

[vocal shard]

did that to

[velvet gull]

Yep, wholeheartedly agree, is why I try to stick to PC only worlds.

[spring mist]

it's pretty sadge

[velvet gull]

Quest users are 90% of the time just 8 year olds running around screaming in the toothbrush avatar.

[paper estuary]

I aint 8

[rancid jewel]

that also got their quest for christmas

[umbral reef]

Pc only worlds
That be the one and only true vibe

[velvet gull]

I didn't say all of them 😛

[spring mist]

radical is now sus

[paper estuary]

Most of them do

[rapid sedge]

The final option I can suggest is to go into the game files and delete the VRChat folder and the cache folders too, then reinstall it :v

[upbeat tundra]

i have tiny duck

[spring mist]

delete system32 to fix vrc sky

[rapid sedge]

since even after uninstalling vrc, you'll have some folders remaining

[humble cloud]

Lol as many bad quest users there are about 2 edgy pc users 10x worse.

[velvet gull]

It's the only place to get a decent conversation (when there's not a client user flying around blasting music or using the N word repeatedly thinking it's funny)

[still wolf]

true

[spring mist]

@humble cloud i haven't encountered those but i can imagine this

[rancid jewel]

worlds that dont have mirrors tend to be a lot nicer

[spring mist]

it takes dedication to be a edgy pc user

[paper estuary]

They do

[velvet gull]

Not really, $10 client, $10 for soundpad, and all the 16 yr old edgelords can have a field day.

[spring mist]

☠️☠️ well it has to be a spoiled one then

[royal zinc]

Does anyone know why the vrc site for the SDK doesn't load?

[umbral reef]

Even then, some rooms work less well then others
Best trick i can give is going to the 5th (or lower) popular worlds
Those always have a way more mature and chill vibe then the risky main ones

[velvet gull]

Yeah, I tend to avoid the most populated ones.

[rancid jewel]

there's free clients out there
so free client and 10$ soundpad

[spring mist]

oh god, so a sligthly spoiled kid then

coz where they gon get the 10$ unless they spoilt

[velvet gull]

Free keylogger you mean lol

[rancid jewel]

yeah pretty much

[rancid jewel]

birthday/christmas money

[astral tinsel]

$10 isn’t a lot of money

[umbral reef]

"Guys why do i only have 4 FPS when i launch my free hacked vrchat client?"

[velvet gull]

Nah, the typa kids that do that stuff, they probably stole it from their moms purse.

[spring mist]

true, but the thing is getting it to spend it online

if they're smart they could use like a visa gift card but a kid like that wouldn't be toxic so i rule it out

[rancid jewel]

i'm pretty sure there's been actual users in this discord that have asked how to modify the game

...with server admins watching.

[velvet gull]

Can't fix stupid 🤷‍♂️

[spring mist]

lmao like why would they come to the official vrc discord tho

[clever sand]

[spring mist]

that's pepega

[umbral reef]

More then one, also was a fun time when a specific client broke something in Vrchat after an update
So everyone comming in here yelling at Vrchat to fix there shit was instantly a client user as the non clients didnt have that problem

[cosmic shale]

Because vrchat only gets 10 fps as it is already

[velvet gull]

We're talking about people that're stupid enough to mod/hack a SOCIAL PLATFORM, of all things to modify and abuse, A SOCIAL PLATFORM

Actually saddening

[rancid jewel]

haha holy shit
there literally couldnt have been a worse way for someone to expose themselves

[spring mist]

:kekw: i mean the one single reason i can "understand" is if they want to steal a commisioned avatar from someone

[astral tinsel]

I don’t mind if people are using clients as long a they don’t use it to there advantage

[velvet gull]

Avatar ripping is such a shitty thing to do, and Is why I gave up on making avatars.

2 of my avatars ripped 2 days after uploading them.

[spring mist]

sadge

[vocal shard]

their advantage what that even mean dawg

[rancid jewel]

if your avatar isnt anime eboy/egirl or furry then the chances of a client user ripping your avatar decreases by about 87%

[spring mist]

@rancid jewel mega sadge

[rancid jewel]

because they dont care about avatars that arent generic eboy wolf #127182773817

[royal zinc]

Does anyone here know why my VRchat site loads forever?

[rapid sedge]

There's a way to prevent avatar ripping from most modded clients

[spring mist]

i just want to have my 25 species mix furry shit pls thanks

[vocal shard]

that is?

[rancid jewel]

i know a way to prevent people from ripping your avatars entirely
its not uploading an avatar in the first place

[astral tinsel]

I could never have a furry avatar🤢

[umbral reef]

Prevent might not be the right word, just discourage the average teenager from doing so

[spring mist]

@astral tinsel i could never have an anime avatar 🤢

[rancid jewel]

i couldnt find a male avatar that wasnt wolf eboy so i just fucking
uploaded my own

[velvet gull]

Surely ripping avatars must show a red flag server side right?

[astral tinsel]

Don’t have an anime avatar

[vocal shard]

im going to learn how to make avatars solely to prove you can make an optimized anime avatar

[spring mist]

that narrows it down to basic ones then

[umbral reef]

That be a vibe i can relate to

[rapid sedge]

A common issue that enables avatar theft is that many people don't disabled "Future Proof Publish" in Unity when uploading avatars.

[rancid jewel]

quote from a member of the vrchat subreddit
"can you also upload male bases that arent shitty eboy imvu rips?"

[rapid sedge]

I've never seen or heard of someone have their avatars stolen after disabling it

[umbral reef]

Sadly not as you dont rip it from the servers
You kinda just copy paste the files that are already on your computer.
Your PC needs to have the files to render them and at that moment they yoink them

[spring mist]

ah

[umbral reef]

That changes only what is included in the unity file, the avatar itself will still be there.

[spring mist]

put a virus in the avatar lol jk

[rancid jewel]

[vocal shard]

very against tos

[spring mist]

"fine, if you want the avatar so bad you can take it"

"also thanks for ur bank info kekw-"

[umbral reef]

You could/can technically make unity crash avatars
That brick the unity rendered but not ingame

So when someone steals it there unity will crash when they try to open and look at it

[rancid jewel]

dont give the script kiddies ideas

[velvet gull]

VRC needs some kind of anti-cheat/external client/injection detection and just perma hardware/ip ban these rippers and client monkeys tbh.

[umbral reef]

They already IP ban people
And no anti cheat can stop this stuff

[vocal shard]

ip bans dont mean muh

[spring mist]

hardware bans are where it's at

[umbral reef]

HWID bans got a lot less effective with the insane amount of free, non virus tools that got released after Fortnite started doing it.

[velvet gull]

Hence why I added hardware bans, which from my understanding, are harder to bypass

[umbral reef]

So its just an extra tool these people run

[rancid jewel]

i know the best way to ban a client users
have a member from the vrchat team personally come to the client users house and throw the client users computer out of a window
preferably from the 3rd floor of a building

[spring mist]

kekw, petition to make this reality

[rancid jewel]

lol

[lament siren]

rippers don't use clients though

[velvet gull]

Can we throw the client user from the window instead of the PC?

Seems more effective

[lament siren]

all the files they get can be found in vrc's files

[spring mist]

ah so it's just too easy

[umbral reef]

Kinda be the thing with unity and modern day computing
Only way to stop ripping is to stream it
Next step it to use a engine almost no one uses or understands

[rancid jewel]

i know away to stop avatar ripping forever
have everybody be the hipster jesus avatar from 2014
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693931930646872178/819320760849924126/unknown.png

[spring mist]

a true solution

[crude granite]

Hello coudl i please speak to a support team member regarding a serious issue with a member

[rancid jewel]

#moderation-reports

[rapid sedge]

There's no true way to ban or remove hackers and users

[lament siren]

100% way for your avatar not to be force cloned? don't upload it as public

[rapid sedge]

but there are ways to humiliate and annoy the fuck out of them

[rancid jewel]

i know of a way
just
delete vrchat

delete the game from the game

[rapid sedge]

lol

[vocal shard]

hardware addy spoofing is easy I had to do that to get unlimited time on my parents network

[spring mist]

dam

[umbral reef]

100% way for your avatar not to be force cloned? don't upload it as public
Fixed it for ya

[lament siren]

true

[rancid jewel]

#moderation-reports go here

[spring mist]

damn speaking of

[lament siren]

but clients cannot take avatars if they are uploaded as private

[rancid jewel]

dont tell us to fuckin
witch hunt them
thats against tos

[umbral reef]

They dont handle that stuff in discord, go to the support link

[umbral reef]

They can

[rancid jewel]

yes they can

[vocal shard]

dont call out names as you could be just slandering someones name with no solid evidence

[lament siren]

they will error out

[umbral reef]

If they can see it they can yoink it

[astral tinsel]

Some paid clients can

[rancid jewel]

theyll still find a way

[lament siren]

they can rip it

[spring mist]

can't u like encrypt some shit or idfk

[lament siren]

but they can't force clone it

[velvet gull]

What if there was a detection for client users/rippers that labelled them with a "Naughty" rank or something like that, that just either auto blocked them from being seen by anyone, or hid them in instances (similar to when you can't see people due to being on different versions of the game)

[umbral reef]

Same thing just one extra step for them

[vocal shard]

thats called nuciance rank g

[lament siren]

not the same thing tbh

[velvet gull]

^^^

[rancid jewel]

theres something similar to that already called the "nuisance" rank
it automatically blocks the users avatar and voice

[umbral reef]

There is no way to detect it though, if there was we would not be having the problem

[velvet gull]

I'm aware of nuisance, but this is a different topic

[lament siren]

i had to rip one of my own avatars b/c i deleted its files off my computer, and it is a huge mega pain in the ass

[umbral reef]

Beside that there are automated tools that make it not a mega pain

You think those 17yo glue eaters that are leaning to code wont automate every task one can do?

[rancid jewel]

just have a rank called "dirty client user" that automatically applies itself to client users
thatll be the ultimate way to humiliate them

[velvet gull]

this ^^^

[umbral reef]

Just do the cheater lobby idea's some games got
Where all client users get thrown into lobbies with only other client users

[lament siren]

still a mega pain in the ass though, as none of the unity work is done and it's basically a scrambled mess of work

[rancid jewel]

YES

[velvet gull]

YES

[rancid jewel]

this conversation just gets better and better

[lament siren]

i had to pretty much redo my entire avatar, and i couldn't recover the .fbx either

[rancid jewel]

have their home world be set to a box that just says "dirty client user" on all sides and they cant change their home world

[velvet gull]

Nah, have their home world set to one that just insta crashes them when they load in.

[umbral reef]

You do realize you can literally throw an MMD in blender, use 2a3 tools to fix it up fully, optimize it fully, export it VRC ready, throw it in unity, do the same there with 2a3 tools and get a good performing avatars, dynamic bones set, shaders set, visime's set and animations applied.
Takes less then an hour to do if you got it all installed

[velvet gull]

Payback

[rancid jewel]

HAHAH YES

[umbral reef]

And those are all non payed free tools for making normal avatars, not just reuploading current stuff

[lament siren]

i make avatars lol, ik

dynamic bones + colliders are a pain in the ass though

[rancid jewel]

the ultimate "taste of their own medicine"

[velvet gull]

My thoughts exactly

[rancid jewel]

great minds think alike

[umbral reef]

One up it and just make the loading bar be stuck at 99% every time they load anything

[spring mist]

idk can't u like make a program that u have to install with admin privileges first before vrc that kinda scans ur pc's hardware/software to see if u were banned before

[velvet gull]

After 5 minutes of loading in, it's just a block of text that says "Sike, you thought"

[spring mist]

shit that's like driver level

[umbral reef]

Unless it has root aces it aint hard to bypass

And making root aces software is an insane security risk most companies wont even care about

[spring mist]

true lol

"one sec we gotta sift thru ur bios to make sure u don't got vr chat client hacks"

[umbral reef]

Also expensive as fuck to keep updated
and even then it aint fool proof as there are a lot of softwares that can mess with it. From not working, false flags or brick the game.

[spring mist]

shucks

[vocal shard]

lmao sounds like valorant

[velvet gull]

I was thinking the same, similar to how Valorant uses Riot Vanguard

And you can't play unless it's running on your pc.

[spring mist]

well, that can only go so deep tho i'd imagine, as oclac says

[vocal shard]

I feel like its just like its a problem if we have to go valorant far

[spring mist]

"brb checking ur registry"

[rancid jewel]

"brb checking your vibe"

[spring mist]

v i b e c h e c k

[vocal shard]

I rather not have viruses have an easy backdoor through vrchat because its fucking rootkit

[spring mist]

vibe check failed, overvolting your cpu in 3...

[rancid jewel]

"vibe check failed, blowing ur pc up in 3..."

[spring mist]

kekwwwww

[rancid jewel]

this convo is great

[velvet gull]

Maybe our countries governments should learn from the South Korean government and criminally charge people for modifying/cheating games.

Then they'd think twice before doing shit like that.

[rancid jewel]

allow it for singleplayer games, but not multiplayer games.

modding in games like terraria and a hat in time are fun

[vocal shard]

I hope your joking skybound