vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

well black cat is kinda infested with kids,mic and music spammers

[velvet jolt]

on a flea market ?

[lunar root]

what's a flea market

[heady salmon]

ok? so what? the same thing happens with any game. it's people, people play games.

[wild lava]

That's what i've been running into

[vocal shard]

Black cat is fye in the right lobbies and its sad because I used to have fun but now its just polluted

[vocal shard]

go in chill games that are not in top 10

yeah but its from 13yrs above

and still with parental guidance

till ur 18

[proper bay]

Lol same thing when kids were playing second life and umvu

[lyric crest]

The Quest and Quest 2 are great headsets but I think they’re the worst when used for Vrchat. Any other game is fine. Just, for the love of god, use a link cable for Vrchat.

[wild lava]

I used to play second life years ago, I loved that game lol

[rancid zodiac]

Is vrc still having issues

[proper bay]

Loool

[vocal shard]

brb

[lunar root]

not everybody has a good enough pc for link

[proper bay]

Yea

[lunar root]

what is that tho

[noble depot]

Unfortunately so, problematic photon server's still at 100% loss

[vocal shard]

get a 1050ti

I think we should start making things quest compatible even if you do not like or use it, just encourages much better optimization

its cheap and good

simple

[timid ember]

See even with pc link my is good enough I have a 1650TI and it tells me it’s not supportive for the link cable

[velvet jolt]

NBo

i got that. and it wont work with vr

[vocal shard]

ooo

my graphics card doesnt get used much when playing on the rift. its mostly my ram and cpu

[timid ember]

See I use Vdesk just fine tho

[vocal shard]

as someone with a very small space between my bed and desk, is a 10ft cable pretty decently sized for hooking up VR to my pc? i'd basically have to stand right in front of my desk to play anyway, not across the room

[lyric crest]

Your missing most of the experience if you don’t. I don’t think it’s worth it to not use one. If you can’t, then sorry chief. Game might not be for you.

[vocal shard]

with quest link cable tho?

Virtual desktop

[proper bay]

Dude vrchat pc is just fancy avatars, we still get to do a bunch of stuff in quest

[timid ember]

As long as you can use virtual desktop it’s gonna be just the same as link

[lunar root]

i haven't got a quest i was just saying most people with quest don't have an amazing pc

[proper bay]

Oh wait dammit wrong reply sorry

[vocal shard]

well a lot of worlds are restricted

CPU: Core i5-2500K.

CPU SPEED: Info.

RAM: 4 GB.

OS: Windows 8.x or Windows 10.

VIDEO CARD: NVidia GTX 640 or ATI HD 7000/Rx 200.

PIXEL SHADER: 5.0.

VERTEX SHADER: 5.0.

FREE DISK SPACE: 500 MB.

etc. These are the minimum requirements for virtual desktop

[proper bay]

True but still lol

[vocal shard]

and a lot of assets. items

[wild lava]

@vocal shard I find a 5m cable is definitely long enough for me

[vocal shard]

4gb ram

[proper bay]

Yeah and people who don’t care about optimizing material numbers

[vocal shard]

Id just get an offbrand link cord, much cheaper, you can get it longer, you can get ones that also charge at the same time

[timid ember]

I litterly spent 300 on the quest and 800 on my Gaming Laptop and I can run just about all Vr just fine

[lunar root]

ohhh i didnt read the bottom makes sense now

[vocal shard]

oof. thats certain death

[vocal shard]

YEAH NO you cant play pcvr with that

[lunar root]

im a dummy dumb dumb dummy

[rocky hearth]

Oh nope nope your pc will die

[vocal shard]

I never said those are my specs. @vocal shard

Those are the minimum requirements for virtual desktop

neb ur ram would die 1st minute turning the game. even on pcdesktop

[lunar root]

read it

[vocal shard]

That's not my specs- @vocal shard

[lyric crest]

No no I wasn’t talking specifically to you. Also yea virtual desktop also works. I mean, as long as you can experience more than 20% of the game, your good.

[lunar root]

why has nobody read the bottom

[vocal shard]

lel

Please read

Use le eyes

everyone who responded to that 🤡 realizing

my options are either to get the rift s and hope that it's not a buggy product like some people's have turned out to be - or get the quest 2 and hope that i can either run virtual desktop or that using an off brand link cable will work just fine

[gleaming kraken]

"That being said, we're continuing to keep a very close eye on things." this quote will be sad when it breaks again in a day or two

[wild lava]

I use an off brand cable

[vocal shard]

Probably just get the quest 2 and since its just generally more popular its gonna get more support

but i think for the quest 2 the minimum requirements are more than the rift s minimum?

the rift s might be dying

[lunar root]

u would be right

[vocal shard]

i only have a 1050 until. i upgrade so idk which headset would be better for that

maybe lets see

[gleaming kraken]

its being discontinued so yeah

[wild lava]

virtual desktop is ideally used if your wifi has 5ghz

[vocal shard]

technically it's not good for either - i know that

dunno if my wifi does or doesn't tbh

[lyric crest]

Ahh I remember buying the cv1 in 2017 to play Vrchat and solely Vrchat. Oh how you’ve grown Vrchat.

[vocal shard]

i live in the middle of nowhere and (on a good day) i get around 30dl speed

the quest 2 seems ideal since it can also be standalone mode if my pc can't handle it..... right ?

well

[wild lava]

I'd say quest 2

[vocal shard]

if you dont mind limited avatars and limited worlds. yeah!

30dl speed oof

[lunar root]

pls tell me what a flea market isss

[vocal shard]

but people have said quest 2 isn't too good for vrchat lol (i'd also be playing phasmophobia and possibly other games in the future)

i bough my internet mostly for the upload

[velvet jolt]

its like amazon or abay like a outlet

[wild lava]

oh sorry if you want to solely for VRChat then i guess you're stuck between a rock and a hard place on that one

[vocal shard]

rift s has a set ipd while quest 2 has 3 settings from 58 to 68

[lyric crest]

Hey, I kinda wanna know. Who got into Vrchat because of joeybagels. Y’all remember him?

[lunar root]

sure it is. google says otherwise

[vocal shard]

i remember uploading 16gb video clips for 50~ish hours

[vocal shard]

i did mention phasmophobia as well

[lunar root]

cv1 pog tho

[vocal shard]

think i was 0.5mb upload or so

[lyric crest]

Yuh

[wild lava]

fleamarket, i think that's what we in the UK call a carboot sale

[vocal shard]

as far as I know the quest 2 in pcvr is almost identical to the rift s in pcvr might be wrong though

you cant play phasmophobia on the standalone headset

[wild lava]

the Q2 does have a 90hz refresh mode for some stuff

[vocal shard]

i can connect it to my pc

yes

i guess it has bigger resolution than index too

but you need a good one

[lyric crest]

Quest with link cable is a great headset for Vrchat don’t get me wrong. But not without it

[vocal shard]

i just didn't say it'd be insane pc specs

a high end pc

[wild lava]

my PC has a 2060 rtx

[vocal shard]

yeah so might as well get the quest since it is a 2 in 1

2080ti here.

1650

rtx 2080

at this point i'm not gonna get either cause i keep getting mixed signals about the two

32 gb ram

[lyric crest]

2080 super

[vocal shard]

still not worth it cause no good games having the proper raytracing implemwntation

ryzen 7 3800x

still waiting for atomic hearts

[vocal shard]

just do some research online tons of articles and videos on the comparison of the 2 much more reputable than random people in vrc discord

[wild lava]

@vocal shard you'll get mixed opinions in any chat. Just watch some youtube reviews for the Q2 and it'll help you come to your own decision

[vocal shard]

i have been watching some videos on the two

that's why i'm stuck between which one to get lmaoo

[wild lava]

Q2 because you can use plugged or unplugged. Rift you can't do unplugged which limits you

[vocal shard]

i mean i have no problems with my rift s and index

[lyric crest]

I love my Vive pro. Thing is sturdy af. And while the index controllers are fragile, I love them too.

[vocal shard]

its just if you want to play it without a pc when you are not at home........ chose the quest 2

[lyric crest]

They’re my babies

[vocal shard]

well you have a index bro thats just good

they r in stock rn

shipments r 2 weeks but my buddy got theirs after 4days

too bad that with a faulty base station xd

get the quest 2. its kind of better because you can also use it witout a pc

[lyric crest]

Oof

[vocal shard]

good thing valve has good suport and he got a rma same day

i dont use my index as kmuch as my rift s now

i donthave room no more

so i use rift now

[lyric crest]

Pcvr is the only good way to play Vrchat in my opinion

[vocal shard]

yes

the oculus quest version is very limited

[lyric crest]

Indeed

[vocal shard]

think i'm gonna get the rift s

i could never live without my protogen skin

i mean you can still get the quest

and just plug it in

[lyric crest]

Just be careful about the cable

[vocal shard]

imagine seeing robots everywhere

but if you get it be careful about the cable

[lyric crest]

Lmao eww

[vocal shard]

y'all are gonna say be careful about any cables

they're cables lol

Just dont be dumb

triggered

[lyric crest]

Yeah but the rift s has microwave mic

[vocal shard]

yeah

oh yeah rift s kids get bullied for their mic LMAO

get an external mic

and the quest 2 apparently isn't great standalone

like the snowball or the yeti

I like the things I can do standalone I never had frame problems

[lyric crest]

Only for Vrchat. I think it’s a great headset for other games

[vocal shard]

with quest 2 i'd either have to hope i can run virtual desktop or i have to buy an off brand cable that's usb c to usb type a because my pc can't use the link cable

but, as y'all say, rift s seems to have issues with mic and etc

[lyric crest]

Bro just splurge on an index

Simple lmao

[vocal shard]

i saw a video of someone with quest 2 using virtual desktop (i think) without controllers? like just moving his hands around in front of his face to view his game library

can you go controller-less in VRchat as well for the finger tracking or no

[lyric crest]

Not to my knowledge

[light acorn]

If you dont wanna worry about battery life and can deal with a mic that goes bad after some usage go for the Rift S

[vocal shard]

even IF the standalone is the worst thing ever EVER, the quest 2 is still better because it can just do more than the rift s

and better for the most part

heard the rift s is better tracking though

[light acorn]

eh

[vocal shard]

based on videos i've watched

marginally and a little bit wider vision but again I never had tracking problems

my quest 2 tracks fine in blacklight

[lyric crest]

Just don’t put your hands behind yer head

[vocal shard]

i mean i don't have much space to move about in my room anyway

so i wouldn't be doing crazy stuff

but i like the idea of the finger tracking and all that

does quest 2 not do that

true finger tracking is off the index knuckles

quest 2 can do all the 8 gestures fine but nothing like the GOOD vr controllers can

let me make sure the 2 controllers are the same on rift s

[lyric crest]

Bro I love you. You got sense

[vocal shard]

let me just try to find a youtube that talks about the tracking of each headset cause i don't even really know what you mean by all 8 gestures

yeah they are identical

on vrchat there are 8 gestures to trigger to do a animation or effect

so

if i were to decide on buying the quest 2, the worst case scenario would be that it's slightly bad performance because of my 1050? and if that's an issue i'll just have to deal with the slightly less detailed (plus limited worlds and avatars) version of standalone?

if it's just slightly bad fps when plugging into my pc due to an underperforming gpu then i don't mind that at all

a game i played for years, i played it with like 5-10 fps max

quest 2 on my pc can't be that bad can it?

if pcvr is bad on the quest 2, using the rift s might make your frames give or take a few up

quest 2 supposed to be barely clearer vision so im gonna assume it uses marginally more gpu

i just wonder what people mean by saying that lower end pc's are going to be worse frames. is it worse in the sense of 5-10 fps or worse in the sense of 20-30 as opposed to beefy boi gamers that get 100+

[grizzled narwhal]

Is the vrchat problem fixed?

[lyric crest]

Bro #server-status

[light acorn]

or better yet #announcements

[vocal shard]

depends completely on your parts

tell me your specs actually I can give you a rough idea

what specs do you need to know

or better yet - can pictures be posted in here? or even a link

[umbral reef]

No one can tell you, a normal PC has a few variables that impact performance, VR has a lot more.
And the problem with Vrchat is that almost all performance drains is directly from avatars themself

[stuck wedge]

Vrc still not working for me :/

[lyric crest]

True. Vrchat it’s self isn’t too laggy. But rather all the avatars.

[vocal shard]

mee too @stuck wedge

just run dxdiag and dm me

[grim bough]

portals dont work for me

[vocal shard]

oh nvm

[vocal shard]

True, Community created stuff is often poorly optimized.

[lyric crest]

But you see some pretty cool stuff sometimes

[vocal shard]

okay itworks

[stuck wedge]

I can’t even get in I’m stuck in the login screen

[vocal shard]

At the price of loading a 200+ mb avatar.

[lyric crest]

Lmaoooo

[stuck wedge]

It just keeps looping the login

[lyric crest]

Have you tried restarting?

[stuck wedge]

I’ve deleted it and redownloaded it and still hasn’t worked

[vocal shard]

imagine having a 85k poly bottle on the avatar that is 20k poly

smh

imagine making a world for vr and not crunching textures to 512

[carmine nebula]

You know something I've wondered. This game ever gonna be an actual release and get out of beta?

[harsh delta]

im really big how do i go back i cant see my avatar menu

[carmine nebula]

I dont wanna get banned about talking about, 'the other game' that just got officially released.

When is VRChat gonna get fully released xD

[harsh delta]

im a real size titan how do i reset my avatar

[umbral reef]

Beta genrally means the core things within the game are still up to change instead of just adding new things
As the team still is remaking the core gameplay or systems i doubt anytime soon

But the tags get used different by each dev 🤷‍♀️
You could argue that after udon and av3 VRC got 'out of beta'

[vocal shard]

there are a lot of avatars that are almost 200k poly and crashes everyones games

usually in top 10 games

[umbral reef]

Where are ya playing on?

[harsh delta]

pc

im a titan and i cant see my menu im that tall

[umbral reef]

CTRL and \ or /
Not sure anymore

[carmine nebula]

See I was telling some friends that technically VRChat is a "full release" with a beta sticker on it

[vocal shard]

if its not that go to the website and reset it there

[harsh delta]

thx

[vocal shard]

you need a vrc account to login on there not just a plain steam account that hasnt been merged

[umbral reef]

Well people said the same years ago but the game is totally different since then, like only the super duper core is the same.
And another example is Rust, the game changed so much since 3 years in beta and full release its not even really the same game anymore.

[carmine nebula]

I suppose, yeah.

It just caught my attention cause 'the other game' officially released today, or something on the verge of that

So it crossed my mind

[open crescent]

chillout vr is not released yet

[carmine nebula]

Did that 30% world increase performance ever get updated?

[carmine nebula]

I mean I'm not bothered enough to know, just heard tons of people across multiple areas/places talking about it being released.

[umbral reef]

It happened like 2a3 updates ago

[carmine nebula]

...It has?

I'm still getting a jolt from 90FPS to 45FPS when people join off me

[umbral reef]

Because there avatars are shit

[carmine nebula]

Uhhh, no.

[umbral reef]

Those didnt get changed, only the worlds.

[carmine nebula]

The avatar doesn't matter

[umbral reef]

It literally does

Its the main source of performance problems

[vocal shard]

200+ mb avatars

[carmine nebula]

Mm'okay, guess I gotta record something to prove it does it regardless of the avatar

Cause I've had green ones still causing me to shift my frames

The only good thing that has happened recently, is I don't go into anything lower than 30FPS, if the world in unoptimized.

And no, my computer isn't shit

Ryzen 5 / 1080 / DDR4 16GB, yada yada

[umbral reef]

Loading avatars also takes resources
That short performance hit of loading it in can lower the Frames for a second untill steamVR realizes its temporary

[carmine nebula]

You'd think the frames would come back...

Its fine, I'll record something later when I have time and test avatars with friends variant from green to red

[umbral reef]

Also as a FYI, just because an avatar is performing as medium doesnt mean it wont have a worse performance impact then a very poor one.
There are a lot of ways to have shit performance with 'good' ranked avatars.
Using a furshader is for example is a great way to ruin performance. And same applies for the cloth component compared to the dynamic bones, dbones get more leway then cloth while it performs worse.

[vocal shard]

since i've asked so many VR related questions already - i've discovered that no matter what i buy, plugging into my pc will not be the BEST performance seeing as my GPU is still on the lower end (plan to upgrade in future). so with that being said, would turning certain features off help in vr mode if plugged into pc? for example... particles, custom animations, etc being turned off for performance difference and also limiting the avatar performance settings down to like 60MB? i'm not sure if this really helps performance on a headset that's plugged in

[rancid jewel]

avatars before dynamic bones: excellent
avatars the second one bone is added:

[carmine nebula]

Deadass

@umbral reef Like I said, I'll test it later. My model is very poor but its cause of my poly count being higher than average, bones are in double digits and the mats are close to the "prefered amount"

And I usually am at 90fps IF its fairly optimized

[languid beacon]

Disabling dynamic bones and particles can help framerate, yes. Disabling animations and shaders, rarely will have any effect. The game just gets uglier. You are also less likely to get spammed but that’s not really a framerate thing.

[carmine nebula]

Like the cave, for example usually stays at max frame rate

[umbral reef]

dbones be a fucking joke tho, literally some whacky moving bones can take up as much performance as most groups of avatars

[carmine nebula]

I mean I was in a world with 15 people that were mostly either poor or very poor

And didn't go bellow 30FPS

That is the most performance that I've seen increase in the past, recently.

[vocal shard]

less likely to get spammed? not sure what that means or what you said it for specifically - the bones and particles or the animations and shaders

[umbral reef]

Odds are if the 5 worse performing of those 15 got a less shit one, youd have around 45FPS (or higher but it being capped at there because Vr go bbbrrrR)

[carmine nebula]

Its a very THIN, damn line that drives me crazy

[languid beacon]

Shaders can have a lot of. Crazy effects. One reason people disable shaders on non-friends is because they can do full-screen covering

[carmine nebula]

My point is that I've had multiple different experiments of avatars [of someone joining off me]

About equal results

[vocal shard]

i'm still not familiar with each setting specifically and what they prevent because i'm new to the game. but i know some avatars have like ... the ends of their hair that glow red or green or blue and stuff. that's not shaders is it?

[languid beacon]

However without shaders most avatars look kinda broken

[vocal shard]

i'll have to get back into vrchat and toggle each setting to remember what turns off what

[umbral reef]

Doing these tests is close to imposible though
There are a lot of lose factors that impact any results, its at best a rough measuring stick but nothing scientific.

[carmine nebula]

This is the equal to "picking the needle in the haystack"

[umbral reef]

Even that 30% performance boost was an rough guess

[noble depot]

Shaders affect how materials look, and that hair effect would be affected by shaders from the sound of it

[languid beacon]

Shaders are a pretty literal term. It means how the object is shaded. Like on a 2D art sense.

[carmine nebula]

Okay I will say the most of my friends that join off me are usually fairly balanced with bones, materials and

The hell is that other one

[noble depot]

^

[vocal shard]

okay i get what y'all mean

[carmine nebula]

MESHES

That's the word

[vocal shard]

i would prefer not to turn shaders off anyway if it's what i'm thinking of

i think i'm gonna get the quest 2 since i know if anything, if i can't plug into pc, i can still play standalone until my gpu gets upgraded in the future

[umbral reef]

Like do these test with dbone turned on and then with them all turned off.
You should be able to see a result. But that only applies if its limiting the main core or not. If it doesnt, dbone actually 'barely' impact VRC enough for you to notice.

[carmine nebula]

I think what YOU'RE thinking of in a shit avatar is like a model with bones or collision checks in the thousands

Ye

[vocal shard]

i'll just be limited on worlds and avatars as the big factors of standalone, right

whereas i guess if the fps and all is really absolutely terrible when plugging into pc, i'd be wasting $400 ish on a rift s

[noble depot]

Yup, on standalone you'll be limited to seeing avatars with Quest equivalents, and you'll be restricted to Quest-only worlds
Which granted shouldn't be a problem

[umbral reef]

And even a well 'optimized' dbone avatar (think just 5 bones) having 5 colliders means it performs worse then one with 10 bones and 2 colliders.

[carmine nebula]

I feel like I shouldn't, have a reason to turn off stuff like that, it ruins the purpose of enjoying this game

[vocal shard]

until i upgrade my gpu

[carmine nebula]

Well VRChat's idea of optimization is so broken in my defense

[languid beacon]

Quest standalone you’re not going to be able to visit the majority of the worlds and you’ll be stuck with the ones that are filled with screaming kids. Do not recommend

[noble depot]

A lot of very common/popular worlds are quest compatible, however

[carmine nebula]

My ex's green models went to fuckin' red in an update back in uhhh, november? I think it was

[umbral reef]

Its not at all Vrchats fault, its Unity, the scripts they use like dynamic bones being shit or literal PC's not being made for it.

[vocal shard]

well i haven't explored much

i mostly follow the few friends i've made over into like

[carmine nebula]

Maybe DEVS should consider 2019 unity then

If the other game can do it, so can these guys

[languid beacon]

I don’t think anything major changed last November with the rating system

[umbral reef]

Its not hard to optimize stuff, just takes the knowledge of whats important to do.
And as most people dont even do the most bare bone optimizing we get well,, this

[vocal shard]

which i know aren't ideal places because i've already experienced loud kids and etc but it's better than buying a $300 rift s and it being impossible to play all together?

[ruby burrow]

Generally the more individual meshes, materials, textures, shaders, dy-bone scripts, coliders, etc a model has, the worse the initial load spike will be, since your PC is having to initialise all these different assets.
Once they're loaded, then it's a different matter.

[noble depot]

"other game" started in Unity 2019/2020, upgrading from 5.6 to 2017 to 2018 then to 2019 sounds interesting

[surreal crypt]

i hope i never run into quest users because i cannot reach that 7500 tri limit with the models i use

[carmine nebula]

It was late 2020, I know there was an update regarding that, maybe it was 3.0. I can't vaguely remember

[carmine nebula]

Dude that's what I'm saying!

DEVS have no excuse to not proceed to a better unity engine

But that's just me

[noble depot]

I mean that just upgrading to 2019 isn't as easy as it sounds lol, each of those upgrades apparently had problems

[umbral reef]

2019 would break most avatars because of the shaders changing in unity again.
Who doesnt love unity LTS versions not being acctualy LTS

And the performance boost would not be world changing if the avatars themself dont optimize

[carmine nebula]

3.0 avatars get tedious to stuff like atlasing for example

[surreal crypt]

if upgrading were easy it would've already been done

[languid beacon]

Multiple materials has a framerate hit even after being loaded. They need a separate draw call every material per frame

[carmine nebula]

Unless you want it to look, low quality

[ruby burrow]

Same reason that most any regular game loads all the assets it needs for characters in a loading screen where it can't spike you, rather than trying to stream it in real time as you play.
VR-Chat doesn't have that luxury. You have to load things as they come.

[vocal shard]

this was directed for you, @noble depot

[carmine nebula]

Do what you gotta do, I suppose

[umbral reef]

Like even if the team wanted, they literally cant update to 2019 without most of everything breaking

[languid beacon]

And you can only fit so many draw calls in a single frame. Too many draw calls and you get a frame skip.

[umbral reef]

Its as always badly maintained by unity and takes ages for a proper 2019 LTS version to get released

[carmine nebula]

unity 2017 to unity 2018 didn't break much

[noble depot]

Very popular quest-compatible worlds likely will be filled with kids yeah, but there's tons of lesser-known/lesser visited Quest compatible worlds that should be better o:

[carmine nebula]

Don't see why 2019 unity would do much besides shaders, which can be improvised and worked on.

[ruby burrow]

The LTS release of Unity 2019 isn't released yet. They can't upgrade yet without destroying all content in the game.

[noble depot]

potentially breaking every single existing avatar/world doesn't sound like a good compromise for vague performance improvements

[umbral reef]

Because unity 2017 to 2018 happened with a late 2018 build and didnt change a lot of unity itself.

[vocal shard]

i think the main reason i lean towards the rift s is because i've been told it has better finger tracking which interests me. but i think in reality the quest 2 seems to be more ideal for me in case i can't handle it on my pc - that is until upgraded

[carmine nebula]

Now I remember when they went to unity 2017 back in later 2018 destroyed so much

[languid beacon]

atlasing is not specific or different on 3.0 avatars

[ruby burrow]

Updating a game engine is a major process, and not normally something done casually over time. Is why the LTS versions of Unity exist, to make the process smoother.

[carmine nebula]

If done right and strategically, it could be so rewarding, if possible

[surreal crypt]

can't you just use a third party program to connect the quest to your pc anyway

[noble depot]

do whichever you want! o:
I personally haven't owned a Rift or Quest so I can't say how demanding they are, but the safer bet of the two would probably be the Quest 2 imo

[surreal crypt]

my laptop is some mid-tier garbage i picked up at best buy and it fares alright

[open crescent]

this is false, unity 2019 LTS has existed for a while

[vocal shard]

is this directed to me trying to choose? i assume you're telling me that choosing to limit avatars and worlds isnt a great idea compared to just dealing with the bad fps until i upgrade. maybe i'm understanding wrong. too many convos going on lol

[carmine nebula]

My point being is, optimizing certain things, depending on the context can be frustrating on 3.0s

[languid beacon]

Doesn’t need to be third party oculus supports it themselves

[noble depot]

Nono sorry, that was on the conversation of upgrading VRChat itself

[vocal shard]

ok!

[umbral reef]

Would have close to 0 impact to avatars and there bottlenecks anyway from what i have seen in the updates
All that would improve is worlds again and they can mainly do that RN by optimizing Udon and the backend stuff

[languid beacon]

Personally I find 3.0 waaaay less convoluted than 2.0

[vocal shard]

i get what you mean then thanks :)

[carmine nebula]

You could atlas 2.0 easier than 3.0 imo

[umbral reef]

It should change 0 stuff unless your doing some damn harsh scuffed things

[languid beacon]

Atlasing is not part of unity I don’t understand what you’re talking about

[ruby needle]

Atlasing is not even a unity process

It literally doesn't differ.

[carmine nebula]

I'm referring to blender on the atlasing part

mb

[languid beacon]

Blender has nothing to do with 3.0

[ruby needle]

2.0 and 3.0 has nothing to do with Blender.

[umbral reef]

Then get cats plugin and literally have that do all the work for you

[rancid jewel]

blender is a completely separate thing

[umbral reef]

Press a few buttons, bada bing bada bong, optimized shit without losing anything

[languid beacon]

Echo echo echo

[carmine nebula]

I'm not very knowledged with this stuff, just know my commissioner told me atlasing wouldn't work well with my projects

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, atlasing is just textures and materials, which AV3 has nothing to do with. AV3 is just animators. Nothing you do with the model itself is different.

[carmine nebula]

🤷‍♀️

[ruby burrow]

There was perhaps some other detail he meant then.

[carmine nebula]

And no, they're not scuffed

Yeah... sorry, I was trying to figure out how to word and explain it

[ruby burrow]

Or just didn't want to mess with it. ^ ^;

[ruby needle]

Making a basic 2.0 like avatar in 3.0 is just as easy, the little change should be little efford for any commissioner
Ofc any 3.0 feature on top makes a difference, but a 2.0 like avatar in 3.0 is nearly identically complex with just little change in practical setting it up.

[umbral reef]

Not to be mean, but if someone that can barely keep his models from busting into lose polygons constantly can port all my avatars from 2.0 to 3.0SDK with minimal problems (beside being confused as fuck on how animations work) then he is flat out lying to save work or eats even more paint then me.

[carmine nebula]

He optimized it, best he could. Like even for being red its still WELL done

[languid beacon]

I am watching other people use unity and it is amazing how many bad habits have gone viral because of various tutorials (animation dummies, or making animations in play mode- both unnecessary and time consuming)

[umbral reef]

Like if its 'poor' and not 'very poor' then its optimized enough FR

[carmine nebula]

Its very poor but its the polys

[noble depot]

CATS bake o:

[umbral reef]

Unless you got to special events your already the exception in how well you perform
And then for sure its not bad

[rancid jewel]

1 trillion polygon catgirl avatar

with 30 dynamic bones

[languid beacon]

0 triangle model with the model built into the shader

[umbral reef]

I always used animation dummies, but mainly because i broke my animations constantly KEKW
And i uploaded the dummy directly instead as that was easier in most cases

[white latch]

This except my friend commissioned a model of their OC for VRChat from a professional 3D modeler and did not specify that it was going to be used for a game.

[rancid jewel]

Oh yeah it also plays really annoying entrance music

[ruby needle]

OUCH big mistake

[languid beacon]

If you uncheck the “preview” button you exit motorcycle pose and go back to t pose...

[ruby needle]

If they got a render model then yikes, that'll take some work.

[umbral reef]

Dont forget the one fur shader on 20 materials that could all be combined 💪

[white latch]

I had to go through and decimate the shit out of it

[rancid jewel]

and 30 different actions for each hand gesture

[white latch]

I managed to take it from like over 100k tris down to around 30k while still making it look pretty much the same

[carmine nebula]

And no offense taken, their work is AMAZING. I can show you in one of these channels if you wanna see

Or not, that's fine Ig lol

[umbral reef]

Throw them in #vrchat-pictures
Would love to see them

[carmine nebula]

Alright bet

[noble depot]

all 128 parameters used and ten exact copies of the avatar hidden for dance animations

[languid beacon]

I hate it when I find an awesome public model that makes entrance audio.

[white latch]

Luckily I haven't found any like that

[umbral reef]

With 50 dynamic bones and like 30 colliders so it 'doesnt clip into the avatar'

[noble depot]

lmao

[languid beacon]

Again, it’s a few tutorials that everyone is watching

[rancid jewel]

and then it clips anyways

[white latch]

I learned that I could just have one giant collider in front of my avatar to prevent the hair from going through it while walking around and I have never gone back

[umbral reef]

Anyways? you mean 24/7

[languid beacon]

You can also disable the colliders when you don’t need them, sadly it won’t reward you for that optimization so no one bothers

[white latch]

Yeah, with my avatars when it comes to props and stuff, to keep it optimized from hell and back I just have the props directly joined to the main mesh and have shapekeys that shrink them when I don't need them

[rancid jewel]

Yes

[tepid frigate]

@lunar root I'm not sure how to actually do anything with vbcable, the only thing I did with the tts program was set the input to the vbcable option it made when I installed it and set the mic input to play back through the speakers, but I'm not sure if that helps at all.

[lunar root]

ok ty that helps

[white latch]

I'll have to make a short video of little optimization tricks I've learned because it's great

[noble depot]

also sidenote, I think 22 devs is the most team members I've seen online at once o:

[vocal shard]

It happens

[rancid jewel]

yeah

[vocal shard]

think its safe to buy quest 2 from amazon? don't want to get something fake or whatever

[rancid jewel]

yes

[umbral reef]

Welcome to the super quick, super easy optimizing your Vrchat avatar
Press the optimize buttons in cats
Remove dbones and colliders
Ends video

[white latch]

I don't even use cats anymore except for visemes

[dim geode]

i dont know, never heard of them. stick to a trusted retailer /s

[noble depot]

Either from Amazon or Oculus directly should be fine - make sure that you're buying it new from amazon, and make sure that it's shipped and sold by them o:

[umbral reef]

Also moon i see your not 🦧 anymore

You stop'd or they removed the thingy?

[sly magnet]

I love how you can reply to invites or requests now.. First time i was able to decline and feel polite about it with the reply 😌

[white latch]

It wouldn't properly adjust the UV maps and just delete the textures from the model without saving an atlas

I always just do it from scratch now because you can fit so much more at higher quality

[umbral reef]

If you report these things to Hotox(?) they often fix these things quick

[white latch]

I am never going back baby 😎

[dim geode]

you are forrest gump breaking out of his leg braces

i was runNING

i aspire to be that good

[white latch]

I'm assuming I can post image links here. Hot atlasing😎

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605982426342359050/781009755204223036/GlitchAtlas.png

[dim geode]

beautiful

[languid beacon]

I would recommend buying directly from Oculus.com as they do free shipping within US

[white latch]

But yeah personally speaking I like doing the atlasing myself cause I make my avatars from scratch anyway and it makes it much easier to texture for me

[umbral reef]

That do be some smooth af atlasing

[noble depot]

hey i think my avatars is actually urs would you mind atlassing it
actually though lmao, vv nice! o:

[white latch]

I mean, yeah if you really want I can do it

[noble depot]

Nono it's a joke lol, should be paid for that anyway o:

[white latch]

Seriously it isn't too hard for me to do

[languid beacon]

Here was the winning result of my 30 minute search solve. “Put Shoe in Eye” https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/442444657428004866/808468844665897020/image0.png

[stuck wedge]

You either have to get somebody to get on with cloning on and clone down or just spend a while trying to get the menu to work

[noble depot]

^ also press CTRL and \ to reset back to a default robot @harsh delta o:

[white latch]

Well, it's space to use!

[sharp finch]

Hey so, how do I talk to other adults in vr? Nothing against kids, but I’d like to speak with people my own age

[noble depot]

that's cursed and amazing lmao

[rancid jewel]

go to pc only worlds

[stuck wedge]

in vr

[sharp finch]

Even though I’m on a headset?

[dim geode]

go to worlds that arent in the top 10 or so of each category

[stuck wedge]

“How do I talk to other adults in vr”

[rancid jewel]

pcvr

[sharp finch]

Ok! Thanks!!

[rancid jewel]

use PCVR

PC worlds doesnt mean you can't use a vr headset to play them

[white latch]

Speaking of which has anyone else had issues with the whole oculus link randomly lagging or cutting out when using it?

[noble depot]

they might be on a standalone Quest, though o:

[rancid jewel]

oculus link

[lunar root]

not everyone has a pc

[dim geode]

yeah i have lots of adult friends on quest only

[rancid jewel]

if you don't have a pc you can't access pc only worlds

[dim geode]

and lots and lots of kids in pc worlds on desktop

[white latch]

I've literally had a better experience using virtual desktop link wirelessly than using the wired link

Which I don't mind it's just the weirdest thing

[magic magnet]

Um I submitted a ticket for someone literally stealing my username and ruining my reputation and coincidentally my vrchat trust level just went from veteran user all the way to user.. wtf is going on. like did they ban the wrong one?

[rancid jewel]

yeah virtual desktop is argueably better

i would use that if my wifi was faster

[noble depot]

Likely wasn't a ban, was more likely people reporting the account thus ranking it down - would unfortunately recommend waiting on the ticket

hope everything works out though! o:

[vocal shard]

get an offbrand link cable it charges at the same time soo

[rancid jewel]

i use an offbrand cable

it works just as well

[velvet jolt]

Hallo there ;3 sorry this is out of the blue but it seems like your avatars is not working as of right now. i really liked them to be fair ;3

[wise briar]

vrchat mfs ddossing chillout vr smh

[ruby burrow]

Eh? Chillout only just released (without needing the fee) on Steam. Of course it's getting swarmed. It's not a DDoS, just people using it.

[wise briar]

i mean the creator is saying theyre being attacked lmao

[rancid jewel]

o h

[unreal verge]

Yeah i was in it too

[ruby burrow]

They've got all the same fun ahead of them of learning to run and gradually upgrade their servers and security services.

[rancid jewel]

can't wait for that

[unreal verge]

They get DDoSed lol

They made an announcement about a large attack

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, reading about it now.

I guess the same sad acts that got banned from VRC and do this crap got banned from Chillout too. Or else just have nothing better to do.

[unreal verge]

The current lack of the possibility to stop avatars from loading for everyone except friends makes the game unplayable in crowded worlds currently

At least for me with my shit pc lol

In VRChat it would be the same, but there i can stop avatars from even downloading

[white latch]

Damn, some people just really have nothing better to do, do they

[hushed pilot]

Im still getting randomly dissconneted on vrc

[wheat ember]

imagine putting VRC+ adds everywhere like it's youtube

[dark harness]

Hey, Tanner, did you know about VRChat+?

Because if you hadn't heard, let me tell you about all of the wonderful benefits

[spiral inlet]

you should check out vrc+

[white latch]

Buy VRC+ to EXPAND your mind!

[wheat ember]

ah i see the peer pressure crew arrived XD

[dark harness]

Our wonderful package includes:

• a cat in a BOX
• some other stuff that is not a cat in a box
• you heard the thing about the cat, right?
• CAAAAAAT

[wheat ember]

lol yes the cat

[white latch]

(send help they implanted a parasite into my brain to constantly advertise VRC+)
Get cool features like making your user plate have memes as your icon! Haha sans Undertale! Haha

[wheat ember]

itsjust annoying with the invite system having a fat ad in the middle of it thats hard to work around and the UI of it is a little unoptimized for the positioning when a bannor bar style would slim and streamline it greatly

[rancid jewel]

CAT :pog:

[white latch]

*holds a water gun to your head*
We are no longer asking!

[dark harness]

I've been working on a script that just automatically moves your mouse over to the "buy VRChat+" button and then helpfully enters your credit card information on your behalf

Legal says that "may be against the law"

who are they to stand against INNOVATION

[robust thunder]

Now that's what I call an update!

I don't wanna have to get up to pay for things

It should just do it for me

[crimson cradle]

So if I were to buy a vr set what is yalls opinion on what to get and what to avoid

[white latch]

Wait, I know how to be more threatening.
*points watergun to your feet, of which are wearing socks, if they weren't before, they are now.*
ｗｅ　ａｒｅ　ｎｏ　ｌｏｎｇｅｒ　ａｓｋｉｎｇ you don't want wet socks now do you?!

[umbral reef]

System i got some perfect news for you then
Soon companies can own towns again in an american state while having there own court, law enforcement and more!
If you get Vrchat crazy enough to start there own town you can use all your neato idea's without any stupid laws stopping ya

[dark harness]

I believe the Oculus Jetspray is going to have integrated liquid spouts, we could use that to implement the watergun threat

oh wait, I wasn't supposed to talk about that

[robust thunder]

[dark harness]

I PROMISE YOU THAT OCULUS IS NOT RELEASING A VR HEADSET WITH INTEGRATED SPLOOSH FUNCTIONALITY

[vocal shard]

Valve index. Pretty solid option but expensive.

Quest 2, excellent value, but you're required to log in with a facebook account to activate it

Hp reverb g2. Very good resolution and clarity but the controllers have some issues with game compatibility

Avoid the vive cosmos

[white latch]

VRChat team abandons human ethics to begin testing full dive reality with no escape

[robust thunder]

I'm scared

[wheat ember]

but in all seriousness where can i actually ask the admins for thinning the adds a little from the youtube levels of back to back ads?

[dark harness]

Canny?

Of course, in order to get to Canny you're going to have to sit through the 15 minute mandatory VRChat+ explainer flash video

[white latch]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/

Hoping that the menu revamps will probably dull it down a little.

[dark harness]

We got Earvin "Magic" Johnson Jr. to talk about it on camera for several consecutive minutes. I'm not sure if he even knows what our product IS

[wheat ember]

thank you

[rancid jewel]

cant wait for ui revamp coming in 2027

also 23 people in the vrchat team are online, that's the most i've seen! :o

[dark harness]

We actually ADDED MORE TEAM

[rancid jewel]

yooooooo

[dark harness]

I GOT A NEW PERSON IN MY DEPARTMENT WHAAAAAAT

[rancid jewel]

nice

[dark harness]

fires off a big confetti bomb

All of your hopes and dreams for what we're gonna do with that sweet sweet VRChat+ money rest on this new employee

[rancid jewel]

ui revamp in 2027

[dark harness]

2027 HYPE!

[rancid jewel]

wooo

my load times are fine

[jaunty scroll]

Can we just have the camera buttons be made to pushed with like a little laser thing so it isn't annoying

[regal furnace]

they are always slower than your actual internet speed

[vocal shard]

Hello

[rancid jewel]

i found an avatar of a gigantic glock and it actually shoots

i saw that lol

[uncut smelt]

lol

[vocal shard]

lol

[sudden oxide]

Wait hold up the cable that my headset comes with cant it be used like a link cable

[rancid jewel]

because it's just a charging cable

[pliant tangle]

Jamie ily

[olive estuary]

dab

[night sparrow]

I had the glock but i ran out of space so i dropped it

[sudden oxide]

Well funny enough my pc can actually take that cable

[night sparrow]

I had one i wanted but my favorites broke and i lost it. Anyone know where to look for a avatar you once had? doesn't appear to be a 'recents' tab

[rancid jewel]

i have the gun favorited

[night sparrow]

nah thats not the one

Anyone have that dancing pikachu, if you seen it you know the one

[rancid jewel]

vrchat - the only game where you can be a gigantic glock and blow people up

[sudden oxide]

Or be a steroid induced Pikachu or Winnie-the-Pooh

[rancid jewel]

that too

[night sparrow]

Only been on it a week but I put to much time into it , like 40 hours.

you see the weirdest stuff man,can't unforget.

[rancid jewel]

it's vrchat what do you expect

[calm elk]

Weew.

[night sparrow]

I was expecting uh people standing around like normal chat rooms talking about boriing stuff honestly

only been on vr for 2 weeks

well i had the go but you can't do anything with that.

[heady lark]

I got my voice to work by litteraly doing what everyone thought i was doing. Getting a voice changer, they all thought i was using one. So technically i use the voice changer to destroy the voice changer

[white latch]

oh great vr gods give me fbt

I want to tap dance

[arctic elm]

the vr gods replied: "aight bet, give us $300"

[white latch]

Oh shit I'm just 27 dollars short someone commission me

[rancid jewel]

lol

[stuck wedge]

My vrchat still isn’t working

After 3 hours and 15 minutes

[tawny thicket]

what's the issue

[noble depot]

are you still getting timed out? o:

[tender acorn]

Wassup

[unborn sonnet]

Hello are servers still down lol I'm kinda late 😁

[noble depot]

should be fixed by now! c:

[unborn sonnet]

Oooooooooo yay

I was on around 5 pm ET and that's when they crashed

[stuck wedge]

Still not working for me

[noble depot]

yeah, went down at approximately 1:25 PM CST

[noble depot]

are you still getting timed out? o:

[unborn sonnet]

Oh man

[stuck wedge]

Yep

[unborn sonnet]

Where are you from?

[stuck wedge]

Michigan :/

[noble depot]

Might want to try restarting your router and disable your VPN/change it's connected location if you're using one?

[stuck wedge]

It just keeps bootlooping me

[unborn sonnet]

What no way I am too!!

[stuck wedge]

I can’t

No vpn but I can’t restart me router

[noble depot]

That might be a different issue then - you could try manually clearing the cache, assuming you're on PC? o:

[stuck wedge]

Nope, quest 2

[unborn sonnet]

A fellow michigander. I'll try to get on in a second. Im on quest 2 as well

[noble depot]

standalone I'm assuming? sorry o:

[unborn sonnet]

What part of mi?!

[noble depot]

Reinstalling the game might help, but past that I'm not too sure what to recommend unfortunately

[stuck wedge]

Near lansing, lower peninsula

I’ve tried reinstalling 3 times

[unborn sonnet]

I'm in grand Rapids lol. Cool I never met anyone in Michigan before

I'm about to get on I'll let you know if mine works

[stuck wedge]

So you haven’t seen a person in your life?

[vocal shard]

😂

[unborn sonnet]

Oh okay nvm then lol was just trying to be friendly.

[stuck wedge]

It was a joke lmao

[vocal shard]

i took lots of shots with the in game camera. im actually impressed of the quality

[unborn sonnet]

I finally got in wow

[vocal shard]

servers been down all day

[unborn sonnet]

@stuck wedge how old are you lol

[noble depot]

you can take 4k screenshots/camera pictures too! c:
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/configuration-file#camera-and-screenshot-settings

[stuck wedge]

13

[vocal shard]

oh damn.

[stuck wedge]

You got in?

[tawny thicket]

If your avatars are rocking 4k textures

Then ggs

[noble depot]

whoop, not any resolution, 720p to 4k

Still though, 4k lol

[vocal shard]

my samsung galazy s20 would NEVER

4k

[tender acorn]

its been fine for me

[vocal shard]

this is aweswome

[vocal shard]

I have a Samsung galaxy A20 lol

i have a samsung galaxy s20

hows the a20 goin

OH MY GOD

even the 1920 x 1080 looks amazing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771792005226954764/808505024887783474/VRChat_1920x1080_2021-02-08_19-46-42.497.png

thats amazing

[vocal shard]

Eh, It's okay.

[noble depot]

cool! c:

[vocal shard]

have you installed a micro sd yet?

alright

haha

[stuck wedge]

I just want to play vrcccc

[tranquil cipher]

Quick question if my friend makes a Friend's only world and I join will my friends that are not friends with him see me in private ?

[vocal shard]

depends

if its set to friends+ then no

but friends yes

[tranquil cipher]

Alrighty thank you

[vocal shard]

yw

[steep nymph]

Nae nae

[cedar gyro]

Hey hope everyones havin a goodnight

[vocal shard]

yeah!

[heady lark]

Guys imma gift nitro and hope it doesnt auto delete it

[vocal shard]

🤔

[vocal shard]

People have bots and stuff that auto claims it lol

I wouldn't recommend doing that

[heady lark]

It got deleted

[vocal shard]

ooooof

[heady lark]

Oof. Lel

[gleaming hill]

top kek

[vocal shard]

bottom kek

is anyone on vrchat rn?

[cold talon]

nope

[vocal shard]

No one in this entire server is on vrchat, Sorry.

||Sarcasm is great||

[tender acorn]

i am XD

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 28380 users in VRChat currently

[vocal shard]

[patent python]

There still seem to be problems with the servers

[vocal shard]

[patent python]

I’m getting null responses

[vocal shard]

Sad

[patent python]

You people disconnected me from my WiFi with your game somehow

[noble depot]

Photon server looks fine, you might want to restart your router o:

also there legit might be an issue with your wifi card or router, there's pretty much no way I can see VRChat doing that

[patent python]

My router is fine vr chat is just a unity game

[noble depot]

I don't think the choice of engine would cause it though o:

[vocal shard]

^

[patent python]

Since when do online games use unity?

[inner cape]

Since unity came out prolly. 🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

facepalm

[noble depot]

Tons of online games use Unity - Rust, The Forest, Pokemon GO, etc

[patent python]

And why isn’t there an offline version of vrchat?

[noble depot]

Offline VRChat wouldn't make sense, that'd be a VR model viewer (many of which do exist)

[vocal shard]

It's a social game.

[noble depot]

^
social VR game without online is just a VR model viewer

[vocal shard]

Social interaction requires internet

[orchid hull]

LAN party when

[patent python]

But it’s not fair to those that don’t have working internet

[orchid hull]

:lel:

[vocal shard]

sucks for them lmao

[cosmic shale]

Ah yes, all of those games, of which 2 human beings have played in current year

[noble depot]

Unless you want to host petabytes of worlds on your computer locally, offline and fully™ featured VRchat would not work

[noble depot]

they're all massively popular online Unity games though, which is the point lol

[cosmic shale]

2 of them are

[inner cape]

I heard people asking for vrc on console, but offline vrchat is a new one.

[cosmic shale]

Well, 2 of them are popular, massively is a stretch

[orchid hull]

ASCII console desktop vrc when

[jovial kestrel]

I feel like offline VRChat with the default content would run as well as people want it to.

[noble depot]

The Forest and Pokemon GO are (or were) pretty massively popular imo lol, Rust had a decent (and is having) a decent player boom as well

[orchid hull]

I want VRC on my virtual boy

[vocal shard]

How would they download it?

[patent python]

They’d only need internet for the initial download

[vocal shard]

[orchid hull]

I mean, at that point just create our own unity VR game.

You'd have much more freedom that way.

[waxen portal]

did vrchat die ?

[noble depot]

server seems fine to me? o:

[cosmic shale]

I was referring to Rust and Pokemon Go
The Forest wasn’t really popular, although it did have a big following, nowhere close to the other two, and currently speaking it’s nearly as dead as fnaf, but nothing will ever top that level of dead

[waxen portal]

avatars not loading

[vocal shard]

The forest was pretty popular at one point

[noble depot]

Try clearing your cache - in the top-right of the Options menu should be an Advanced Options menu where you can clear the downloaded content cache c:

[waxen portal]

OOP 20 gb XD

[noble depot]

That'd definitely do it lol

[cosmic shale]

A few big people played it a while back, yeah
But those are also people I wouldn’t count towards the “this thing is popular” scale, who are also the kinds of big people to have played fnaf

Cause like, yeah you can say through them a lot of people were exposed to The Forest
But, who? A lot of people have seen it, but it didn’t really become much of a topic, and those who were exposed to it by those few big people were kids since that’s the majority of their following, as a result of the type of content they make

I’m gonna stop, this is the vrchat chat

[gleaming kraken]

my vrchat isnt loading any new avatars either

[vocal shard]

Try clearing your cache

[gleaming kraken]

its only at 6 gb but i guess ill try

[vale lagoon]

I’m glad that the people who play this game aren’t snowflakes

[gleaming kraken]

i also keep having this issue where unity gets stuck saying "preparing for upload" and ill have to restart unity just to try again

[vale lagoon]

Ngl

[rancid jewel]

vrchat on the gamecube when

[elder cloud]

honest to jah people need to optimise their avatars

just ran into an 84mb one

[rancid jewel]

I ran into a 200mb one recently

[elder cloud]

bloody norah

my main avatar (green from jar's among us world) is literally 0.25mb

[rancid jewel]

some people have ran into 500mb avatars

[elder cloud]

then in comes some fbt kid with 180k+ polygons, particles out the ass, literally incinerating my retinas with the colour

[vale lagoon]

I have josh dub hoodie as my semi main idk how much MB it is

[elder cloud]

deadass do you need all that stuff on your avatar?

[cosmic shale]

It is a positive and all, but at the same time you also get people who are far too insensitive and don’t at all consider that the people around them are just as human as they are

[elder cloud]

fbt I can understant, but goddamn

[rancid jewel]

they're trusted users too and they're in front of mirrors

[cosmic shale]

Unless you’re talking about toothbrushes
They’re not people
They’re gremlins

[vale lagoon]

Yeah but I’m semi grounded with it

I may offend one person

[elder cloud]

protos can be annoying in among us, most likely to be backseating or cheating imo

[vale lagoon]

Because I’m usually Hans

german WW2 avatar

I need a US one

[cosmic shale]

There’s one specific proto I know of that has a drone, and can fly
And I’ve seen people using it in murder 4
No doubt people use it in among us too

[vale lagoon]

Naniiii

[cosmic shale]

But I don’t dare enter a public among us lobby, since I know all I’m gonna find is quest users, children, and mainly both

[vale lagoon]

I am quest and a child

😆😆😆

[empty blade]

i enter public among us lobbys due to not having friends

[elder cloud]

I was able to get an unspotted kill in electrical once, no one saw me go in or vent away, this protogen knows exactly where and when I killed them

[rancid jewel]

👁️ you better be at least 13

[cosmic shale]

This

[vocal shard]

I already knew you were a child tbh. It's not hard to tell, You like Josh dub. @vale lagoon

[gleaming haven]

is there a # to find someone to play scary maps with?

[vale lagoon]

I don’t like josh dub

[elder cloud]

Oh yeah I see quest players all the time

[empty blade]

the amount of tiny children on vrchat is suprising

[vale lagoon]

I just have that avatar

[cosmic shale]

The holographic protogen, yes? Well, it appears that way when you turn the shaders on

[rancid jewel]

Cheese operator you better be at least 13

[elder cloud]

joshdub kinda ruined VR imo.

[vale lagoon]

I am

[rancid jewel]

thank god

[cosmic shale]

Considering the 13 age requirement, yes

[vocal shard]

Please don't tell me you have a tooth brush avatar.

[elder cloud]

got a literal see of children into it

[empty blade]

like god i get they have a quet but dont they have more appropriate game

games

[cosmic shale]

I was once in the same lobby as an 8 year old quest user.

[empty blade]

like 13 year olds and above im fine with but like

[cosmic shale]

They were born in 2012

[vocal shard]

He inspired the under 13 years olds to overcrowd vrc

[empty blade]

why is your 10 year old here

[cosmic shale]

Evidently

[elder cloud]

Onward is dead to me because of kids

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I can agree

[cosmic shale]

I fear the day I encounter a literal 5 year old in murder 4

[empty blade]

the only good vrchat youtuber is drumsy and thats really because intead of branding with characters and screaming they brand with personalities

[elder cloud]

kid calls elevator on a map before I get in, starts singing no no square, I pop him and then myself with my pistol and leave.

[empty blade]

kids are horrified of people with personalities

[vale lagoon]

Drumsy is hilarious

[sharp galleon]

I wish it was easier to report people. Saw two losers with the same NSFW avatars and got both video and picture but apparently the reporting process is a pain in the butt

[cosmic shale]

Mmm
Well I’d say Jameskii because while it is true, he doesn’t do a lot of vrchat content and definitely not exclusively either

[noble depot]

Send as much information as you have (videos, photos, output log, etc) to #moderation-reports! c:

[empty blade]

like, im 14 and a transfem so i try and purposley highten my voice, which is annoying to a lot of people

[cosmic shale]

I mean
Yeah, they shouldn’t have
But why do you honestly care enough to report them?

[empty blade]

but at least im not 8 years old

[elder cloud]

my fave VRC youtuber is probably Vinny. Doesn't play VRC much but when he does its great.

[cosmic shale]

Mmmm I do not think people should care about gender at 14
At all

[sharp galleon]

Because kids play VRChat too

[empty blade]

i know who i am

[vocal shard]

Tell the creepy peds that.

[cosmic shale]

Yeah
But what’s banning them gonna do even if they are banned?
They’re gonna make a new account, find another nsfw avatar if not the same one, and carry on
Realistically it’s not gonna stop them

[vale lagoon]

I mean Umji Bear is sorta funny

But he’s mad horny

[dim maple]

wait

[sharp galleon]

Yeah sadly

[empty blade]

the amount of transphobia on vrc is awful

[dim maple]

is he the guy who plays guitar?

[vale lagoon]

^

[dim maple]

i had a very awkward experience with him a year or so ago gross

[empty blade]

i tell people mutliple times my pronouns and they dont care

[vocal shard]

Just don't tell em your gender of whatevs. People are mean on the internet

[dim maple]

i didn't know he was a known person

[vale lagoon]

Damn

What video?

[vocal shard]

how do people in vrchat using a vr write out in the open with the rainbow text?

[empty blade]

but shouldnt it be common deceny to respect someones pronouns

[dim maple]

i don't know if it's on a video LMAO i just assumed he was a random guy

[vocal shard]

is it a vr option or something else specific

[noble depot]

That's likely a part of the avatar itself, not limited to just VR

[vocal shard]

Common decency isn't a thing on the internet.

[dim maple]

he just said gross stuff about my voice homie truly is mad horny for no reason

[vale lagoon]

My pronouns, normal/human

[noble depot]

I have a pen in my avatar myself, and it's called the Snailmarker if I remember correctly @vocal shard

[empty blade]

cheese operator dont make fun of pronouns

[vocal shard]

Ah, Default settings

[empty blade]

you imply im not normal

[vocal shard]

that makes sense, they called themselves mute and pointed at themselves and i noticed their avatar had a floating mute symbol!

[vale lagoon]

I’m talking about pronouns in bio’s

[vocal shard]

also you tagged the wrong cinna for future reference :p

[vale lagoon]

Not actual ones

[vale lagoon]

No I don’t

I was making a joke

[noble depot]

no i didn't what do you mean
and cool! lmao

[hybrid pier]

bruh weird

[vocal shard]

ordered myself a quest 2! says it'll be here by thursday but i guess covid stuff could delay that.. maybe

[dim maple]

if only you knew

[noble depot]

nice! c:

[empty blade]

i cant wait to get a pc world

pc to use worlds oop

engrish me good at

[vocal shard]

Ooo, Noice. I will most likely order mine around next week. Can you keep me updated on how the quest is in vrc? You don't have to

[cosmic shale]

There are a lot of furry avatars out there
But why aren’t there any good ones that are public

Like, there’s just none

[empty blade]

the quest is decent in vrc

[vocal shard]

i definitely can!

thx!

[empty blade]

it doesnt have dynamic bones or anything but it runs a good amount of the poplar worlds

[jaunty island]

Does anyone know a fix for when an oculus controller stops working? My right controller works fine outside of VRChat, but in-game none of the buttons work and my left hand controls both hand's finger movements.

it was working perfectly fine earlier

[empty blade]

#user-support-old

[cosmic shale]

Well, dynamic bones are essentially useless anyway since you can’t mess with them on other people, so, that doesn’t matter too much

[jaunty island]

thanks, that channel was under the development section so I didn't think I was supposed to ask there x3

got it working anyways

[solemn sparrow]

is it just me or does anyone else continue to having logging in problems?

[prime siren]

i did and after i got in, about 15 mins later i got randomly disconnected again. fine for now tho

[solemn sparrow]

it's not letting me in vr chat like it loads and when it completes the loading it crashes

[noble depot]

@solemn sparrow Does the game crash as soon as the world loads? o:

[wintry harness]

[noble depot]

ᴀ

[calm elk]

👋

[solemn sparrow]

it doesn't even load the world at all it leaves me in the blue loading screen then crashes

[noble depot]

odd o:
You could try manually clearing your cache and reinstalling the game to see if that helps? https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions#manual-method

[solemn sparrow]

I reinstalled it and still nothing

[vale lagoon]

Chocky milk

[noble depot]

There might be a split second where you can cancel your login - try doing that, then enter your login information again?
also, clearing cache might help but def no promises on that

[cunning elm]

I went into strip club and it was all kids! 😢

[vocal shard]

dafuq

[rancid jewel]

WHAT

[vocal shard]

Strip clubs shouldn't be in this game

[cunning elm]

They weren't dancing. Just sitting by mirror talking about kid stuff :/

[rancid jewel]

of course they were all by the mirror

[vocal shard]

Is everyone in vrc horny? holy fuck

[rancid jewel]

yes

[cunning elm]

On YouTube it showef cool dances with full tracking

[vocal shard]

definitely yes

[dim maple]

yes where have you been my man

[vocal shard]

I really don't want horny men in girl avatars coming after me. Time to stay in privates!

[cunning elm]

I don't want to be horny anymore. I just want to be happy 😢

[dim maple]

protect yourself

[eternal breach]

Most of VRC is 13 year olds and thats the scary part of that whole idea

[vocal shard]

This wasn't meant to be a nsfw social platform lol

[eternal breach]

Nope

[cunning elm]

Same with habbo hotel. Idk if that's even still around

[meager solstice]

Against tos, community created that environment

[vocal shard]

that's why the Tos was made 13+, Everyone really thought nsfw wouldn't be brought into this game when they let the community create things

I'm starting to think it should be changed to 18+, Not that it would make a difference anyway lul.

[meager solstice]

Age restrictions don’t matter

[vocal shard]

Begone hornies!

[meager solstice]

I think 13+ is fine

Devs don’t want it to be some nsfw game or even known for it

[vocal shard]

Yeah, People often complain about it though. I can see why, Because of the community created stuffz.

[meager solstice]

I mean people will complain about underage kids yet won’t complain about clients or nsfw content

[vocal shard]

No one would complain about nsfw because everyone is horny

lol

Sometimes there's complaints abt clients and such

[cunning elm]

Why aren't the worlds banned then?

[jovial kestrel]

People generally tend to not complain about things that don't directly impact their experience.

[cunning elm]

Hm

[meager solstice]

Also people do get banned for nsfw content

Or restricted I guess for first time punishment

[vocal shard]

Possibly because they can't ban all of the worlds/No body reports them

Lol don't go to void club at night

Not that time zones matter

[cunning elm]

My fav time to be on is 9pst+ usually drunk by midnight tho

[vocal shard]

getting rid of the kids are higher priority

[cunning elm]

Think of the children

[meager solstice]

lol I would say it doesn’t matter

Either way

How would u prove someone is under 13?

[vocal shard]

Eh, Most kids 13+ that aren't annoying are fine. It's just the community that is fucked.

[meager solstice]

Asking age is easy to get around

[vocal shard]

yeah I was gonna say

[meager solstice]

Considering they got around it for making an email and steam/oculus account

[vocal shard]

well the thing is they might not have the brain capacity to do that

[meager solstice]

Just to make a vrc account

[vocal shard]

I had a kid link me a pc case and asked if it could run vrc

[meager solstice]

Ur logic makes no sense

“Doesn’t have brain capacity” yet made an account some how

[cunning elm]

Lol

[meager solstice]

U think they just made one by accident?

[vocal shard]

Probably with there parents

[meager solstice]

Still how do u prove their age

[cunning elm]

Some parents just want to be left alone. They don't care

[vocal shard]

You can't

unless we start doing ids

[meager solstice]

No website does that in the usa

[vocal shard]

which yeah thats going to be difficult

[cunning elm]

They only thing I've seen is linking Facebook fk that. I deleted Facebook for a reason

[meager solstice]

Still need to be 13+ to make a fb/steam account

Long story short it’s almost pointless to try and prevent it

[vocal shard]

on facebook you have to send an image of yourself I think, at least thats what it did for me

[meager solstice]

¿

[vocal shard]

ion why it did if its not normal

[meager solstice]

Never had to do that

[vocal shard]

That isn't normal

It just asked me to verify a few things

thats great then

[meager solstice]

Vrc has always had kids on it tbh

Half the knuckles were probably kids

[rancid jewel]

they were

[vocal shard]

probably cult kids

[rancid jewel]

there's no doubt most of the knuckles's were kids

[vocal shard]

Have you heard of the vrc "gangs"/"groups?"

[rancid jewel]

yes

they're like 10 times worse

[vocal shard]

dont even bother talking about them they live off the clout you give

no names

[rancid jewel]

^ yeah

[meager solstice]

Gangs r just wannabes

[cunning elm]

I didn't know Facebook is 13+

[vocal shard]

I'm just laughing at them, It's like the edgy roblox groups

[rancid jewel]

man dont even get me started on the roblox groups

[vocal shard]

"I'm gonna hack ur acc!"

[meager solstice]

@cunning elm most websites are 13+ to get out of Coppa

[cunning elm]

Ugh I want pizza, but I must wait

[meager solstice]

Go get a pizza

[cunning elm]

I have work soon

[meager solstice]

rip

[cunning elm]

I was too lazy to get up and get it today

Has anyone here paid 1200 for commission?

Was it worth

[rancid jewel]

wait, you mean 1,200$ usd?

[cunning elm]

Yus

[rancid jewel]

oh my fuck

[robust thunder]

That's a lot

[vocal shard]

Ion if any avatar is worth that much

[cunning elm]

Nah it's pennies

[rancid jewel]

thank god

[cunning elm]

😎

[meager solstice]

That’s a scam

1200$ for any commission is way to much

[rancid jewel]

they mean pennies

[vocal shard]

I've seen people say 15k USD for a commission because it's "quality materials" and it's "art"

[meager solstice]

15k?

That’s crazy where do people get this money from

[noble depot]

was it an actual stone sculpture of the commission or?

[cunning elm]

No. "it's pennies" is slang for that's a low amount of money to me.

[rancid jewel]

WHAT

[vocal shard]

There was a dude named legend in this server that argued with me about it,

He was actually saying his commissions are worth 15k

We eat your kind @cunning elm

I'm not trying to start bs again lul

[cunning elm]

I see some charging 1500 in that vrcomissiom discord

[rancid jewel]

vrchat anime catgirl avatar with 1 trillion polygons and 3,000 dynamic bones and every single gesture ever triggers an animation

[vocal shard]

A vrc avatar.

[meager solstice]

The most I would pay for a for scratch model is 300-500

[jovial kestrel]

[noble depot]

that's..wow lol

[cunning elm]

Lmao actual stone statue

[vocal shard]

fifteen thousand dollars. What the fuck

[noble depot]

I mean making avatars from scratch are vv difficult obviously, but fifteen thousand's something

[meager solstice]

Even 1200 is to much for a scratch model

[noble depot]

I'd argue that depends on how complex it is

[cunning elm]

Lol I paid 13k for my car damn

[meager solstice]

About the same tbh

[cunning elm]

Am pleb tho

[vocal shard]

^

[meager solstice]

I want to see ur most expensive model