#vrchat-general-2

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cobalt valve
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Yo, i got stuck in my giant form and i cant turn it back to normal, how can i fix this?

vocal shard
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can go on the website and reset your avatar

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or hold ctrl + / if you are in-game

cobalt valve
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kk

west yoke
vocal shard
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it's backslash ?

west yoke
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Never heard of forward slash working for that

cobalt valve
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Bless you

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it worked

grave flint
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Heyo

vocal shard
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hi

true edge
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Hi

vocal shard
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sup

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valve and xbox are doing a partnership so whne you play a game on steam it shows that on xbox live

velvet arrow
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yo guys how do you find worlds to use as your spawning world?

vocal shard
worthy axle
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Lets go, made it to the half point in the maze world v5

cosmic shale
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Oh, I see

vocal shard
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not sure if its the right channel

mint spindle
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same

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@velvet arrow

finite steppe
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Day "i stopped counting" of being stuck at New User with 250+ hours of playtime.

worthy axle
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Lol, I got out of that after 1 or 2 nights

finite steppe
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Someone must be blocking me or something, which i don't know why, I'm fairly quiet and don't use annoying avatars.

robust thunder
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people will block anyone

finite steppe
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Probably also doesn't help i only have like two people on my friends list...

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I've also uploaded a few avatars of my own, but it's not made any difference to my trust rank.

umbral reef
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Well cant expect the game to increase your trust if all it sees you do is be online

regal furnace
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my alt got to new user after only testing out stuff on it

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this account never saw a single public instance in its life

umbral reef
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Getting past new user tho---
Getting new user is not hard at all, getting past it can be

regal furnace
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so the "only crawling in private world doesnt help" idea is not completely true

finite steppe
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I just want to get to User rank so i can publish worlds, I'm more interested in VRChat for content creation than anything else.

vocal shard
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Same for me I make like 4 friends every 300 hour so it took ages to get to user

finite steppe
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As someone who's had a couple years of experience in Unity, that's more interesting to me than actually playing the game.

umbral reef
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New user should already be able to upload worlds tho @finite steppe

regal furnace
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whats your ign?
when people with a higher trust rank add you, it should boost you quite a bit

finite steppe
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Yeah, but you can't make them public until you reach User rank.

regal furnace
umbral reef
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Really? Lmao thats lame

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Can upload any avatar you want but not publish worlds

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while the security around worlds most people see is higher

regal furnace
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i dont get it either...

finite steppe
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I got to New User in just under 24 hours of playtime wandering around different worlds and adding those two friends i mentioned earlier, and they were people i knew from outside VRChat, one being a friend who got me into the game when they showed how making content for it worked, and the other one being my brother who also plays.

umbral reef
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Could be worth just trying to friend there friends and see if that does the trick

finite steppe
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Though I'm at just over 250 hours now and still at New User.

regal furnace
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most likely because you dont have many friends yet

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but 250 hours and still new user is kinda weird

finite steppe
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There must be some kind of hard cap on having a minimum number of friends for a given rank... Though I've also heard it's possible to get Trusted just solely by uploading public avatars.

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So i guess it kinda varies per person.

regal furnace
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we dont know how it works

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whats your IGN? i could add you, maybe that will push it over the edge to rank up?

finite steppe
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I've had three friends at one point, but that didn't push me over, and unfriending them didn't derank me.

regal furnace
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defriending doesnt derank, but also doesnt help with ranking up at all. there are reports of people clearing their friendslist and going down from trusted to known

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and im talking about removing like 50-100 users

finite steppe
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My IGN is Subsonic154, couldn't enter my full length name cause character limit.

regal furnace
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sent you a friend request

finite steppe
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I'm not in-game rn, I'll check when i get on later.

regal furnace
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aight

west yoke
regal furnace
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yea, a bit weird worded. i meant removing like one friend shouldnt affect the rank enough to derank

west yoke
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Ah then yes that's fine

rugged ferry
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poop

finite steppe
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Does playing in desktop mode also negatively affect your trust score accumulation? I've heard that you get more trust overtime from playtime if you are in VR. But i don't have VR.

regal furnace
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nope, desktop or VR doesnt affect the trust rank

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its more likely that you will find friends with vr (for some reasons), who will contribute to your trust

finite steppe
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I know one of my two friends does have VR.

regal furnace
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if you need more friends id suggest going to game worlds

finite steppe
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I'm in game worlds a lot actually, but the fact i rarely ever talk probably isn't helping...

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If VRChat had a built-in text chat I'd be a lot more social, i just don't like communicating with strangers via voice.

regal furnace
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im a mute as well, and now im trusted for a year and a half now ^^

finite steppe
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I'm not actually mute, i just don't voice chat outside of a specific group of friends.

regal furnace
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im not a mute IRL as well, i just dislike talking for a few reasons

finite steppe
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Not talking got me pretty far in VRChat Among Us last night tho. Got Impostor three times in a row and won all three rounds.

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I guess nobody expects Samus to be the Impostor.

regal furnace
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you should have played as the spanish inquisition

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nobody expected it

finite steppe
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Is that a meme I'm uninformed of?

regal furnace
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probably

finite steppe
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My brother made that same joke last night when i told them about the triple Impostor run as Samus.

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I literally won one match because those kids didn't know how to fix o2.

regal furnace
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i like destroying kids in battledisk

finite steppe
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Shame i can't play most games because they don't have desktop compatibility...

gilded plaza
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hey, somebody know if you can change the in-game camera's resolution? eg for 1440p screenshots

regal furnace
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oh wait, the camera

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nah not possible yet to change that

finite steppe
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I was about to say...

gilded plaza
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aw okay thanks

regal furnace
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i misread as "ingame resolution"

noble depot
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don't know if you can change the hand-held camera's resolution?

west yoke
round lion
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yes someone stole my account

noble depot
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In-game (and account) moderation can't be done on the discord

round lion
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i already contact the support

noble depot
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only option is to wait then, unfortunately

verbal meteor
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ticket submission generally does it, takes a couple of hours though, my friend waited about 6ish I think.

noble depot
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hope everything works out though o:

verbal meteor
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If you haven't when you do get it back, add two factor always a good extra thing to have just to go the extra mile.

finite steppe
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I use 2FA on everything that gives me the option. I've had accounts be victims to attempted and even successful hijacking before, never again...

lethal jay
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Yeah it's generally a good idea to use 2FA on anything you can, I use to have accounts hijacked before but I never have since I started using it

verbal meteor
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I had to grill my friend over it for not having it, when it happened to em in a polite buddy buddy talk.

fringe bolt
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is vrc working?

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or are servers down

fading sphinx
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:wide_gatorade:

fringe bolt
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I keep getting unusual client behavior every 30 sec and it reloads the world

noble depot
fringe bolt
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I just saw user support ty

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I can't restart the router rn which is unlucky tho

noble depot
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could try changing the DNS server on your computer? o:

fringe bolt
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I'll try

noble depot
finite steppe
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I've had reliability issues with Google's DNS.

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Then again, that might have just been a one-off moment of them being DDoS'ed.

round lion
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the guy who stole my account rename with this preudonym ßunnyModOwner

lethal jay
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It's google... they can't be

finite steppe
noble depot
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@round lion Wouldn't recommend calling out people directly - wait on the ticket c:

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again, account and in-game moderation can't be done through the discord

lethal jay
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You don't know how they work then, it's literally impossible to with how much they put into security

west yoke
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DDoS is likely the wrong word but google definitely isn’t up or reliable 100% of the time and with some regions they may not be the best option, for DNS that is

lethal jay
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Yeah it's definitely not up all the time but the reason for that isn't because of ddos, it's because so many users use it at the same time. It's not from a bot attack as they get blocked immediately

worn summit
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Hello

undone mirage
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god, i wish i could copy and paste on vr

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my username is in japanese, so i cant log in on vr anymore.

rancid jewel
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i'm pretty sure you can play vrchat in vr with kb + m, not sure though.

lethal jay
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You technically can yeah

undone mirage
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elaborate

noble depot
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also, OVR toolkit might be able to copy-paste? not entirely sure on that though o:

robust thunder
undone mirage
robust thunder
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ive never heard anyone say "holy cristmas balls"

undone mirage
robust thunder
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i hope you dont mind

undone mirage
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of course not, knock yourself out.

robust thunder
placid lake
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nom

robust thunder
placid lake
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owo

noble depot
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monch

lunar root
fringe bolt
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no : (

pliant crypt
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Hello, I'm new. I saw some people using asl in vrchat. Do you need external software like ALVR for handtracking, or is there an easier way?

rancid jewel
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the valve index knuckles have finger tracking

regal furnace
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there is also the leap motion thingie, but it only works to some degree in vrchat

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probably cheaper than a pair of index controllers and maybe even lighthouses

dim geode
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a friend was able to do it with oculus quests hand tracking in vrchat, pretty cool

regal furnace
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probably connected to a PC i guess?

dim geode
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yes, it was via the virtual desktop streaming method. not sure what other software he used to get the hand tracking into vrc

lethal jay
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alvr

sturdy badger
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.d

rancid jewel
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yeah pretty sure you can get hand tracking with VD

lethal jay
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And what do you mean not the channel? It pertains to vrchat

robust thunder
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I think they were talking to someone else

dim geode
north mesa
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its literally impossible to DDoS google you dumbass XD

rancid jewel
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haha, very funny.

halcyon fulcrum
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guys hi

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can i run minecraft vr with Ryzen 5 3550H 16GB ram RX560X 4gb

spice lake
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Probably
Idk what that even means tho so

vocal shard
lethal jay
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Also just tried hand tracking with alvr and it's entirely not worth it because of how janky it is

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You literally have to set it to emulate index controllers and that in of itself when not actually using index is just

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Yeah no, 10/10 wouldn't recommend

dark vale
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Hello, Im still new to vrchat how can I change my shown name in VR chat?

ruby needle
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You can do so on the website

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But only once every while

dark vale
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and If I use steam?

rancid jewel
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if you use steam just change ur steam name

dark vale
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Thanks

eternal arrow
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im having issues uploading a avatar,what channel do i ask for help in?

lethal jay
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I would recommend switching to a vrchat account though since if you don't and you want to upload stuff at any date, you have to have one and you can't merge a vrchat account into a steam one. Only merge steam into vrchat which I believe will overwrite your account

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I could be wrong on that though so I wouldn't quote me

dry zenith
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Hey can someone help me?

languid beacon
dry zenith
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With adding custom avatars?

lethal jay
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?upload

shy spokeBOT
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You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

snow crystal
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I have a problem. I'll be playing with my quest 2 linked to my pc and about 2 minutes in, the FOV will kinda be fuckedvrcCatWat vrcCatWat

dry zenith
lethal jay
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Nono I meant that as a command

dry zenith
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Can someone help me add custom avatars?

vocal shard
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-_-

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-_-

dim maple
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they already did just read

dry zenith
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Thanks

vocal shard
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Ram

worldly forge
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Hey I'm new to vrchat and I was wondering if it was normal to not here anyone talk? ive heardpeople play music once

dark vale
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Well sometimes you find group of people with 6 people talking and others just staying around

languid beacon
lethal jay
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I have several times, it's eerie to have like 8 people standing around and literally no one talking and just staring at each other

dark vale
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What world are you in? maybe we can talk

worldly forge
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30518 among us

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I can hear the sound and music in worlds just no voices.. 😦

dark vale
worldly forge
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I dont see that world sadly. is there a way to search?

dark vale
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well we can go to default home location and you can make me portal

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Sorry I can´t help much here. Im lost already

worldly forge
worldly forge
languid beacon
dark vale
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Okay I think I can add to friend list in VR chat and then I can teleport to you

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what nick do you have there?

crimson pine
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hey

dark vale
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Hello

crimson pine
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how are u?

worldly forge
dark vale
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Im about to fall asleep but i will add you later ok?

worldly forge
dark vale
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Goodnite :)

hollow ingot
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Aight... I'd get vrc+ for more friend favourite group(s). . . I don't have one for users who may use Quest.

vocal shard
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I can upload the sdk3 udon thing to use it if it wont let me test and build in unity right?

unkempt shell
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Is anyone here a avatar designer?

vocal shard
unkempt shell
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Ok

fresh seal
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or budget

split gulch
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Hello I am new to VRChat what are some things I should know.

vocal shard
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Safety settings max. 👌

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Kidding, kinda.

jovial kestrel
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Expect the unexpected, always.

undone mirage
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hi

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stay away from toxic 10 year olds.

vocal shard
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Some people prefer shields or none at all really depends on if the lobbies you go to often have a lot of crashers

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and yeah stay away from kids, if your on desktop vrc there are alot less kids than if your on quest which is full of them

vocal shard
undone mirage
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i've met so many that have called me "ching chong."

vocal shard
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Why?

undone mirage
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just because my username is japanese.

vocal shard
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is there a way to reset your home world outside of VRChat when using ur steam account? my home world is a damn box with moving textures and now all of a sudden I can't play it at all. it freezes and never lets me do anything else. my character can't even load in

vocal shard
vocal shard
undone mirage
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god bless.

vocal shard
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You too

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I don't believe in god

undone mirage
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neither do i.

vocal shard
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please

vocal shard
vocal shard
vocal shard
vocal shard
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not directly from the website like you can with avatars they should make it that way tho

vocal shard
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did you merge your accounts yet do that first

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how

undone mirage
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:gabi_smug:

vocal shard
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I dont remember how but I dont remember having problems look it up im sure you can find it

undone mirage
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:gabi_smug:

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i want to spam that

vocal shard
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emoji fail

undone mirage
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pog

vocal shard
undone mirage
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not here, somebodies dm's.

vocal shard
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it says I need to log in through the VRChat client does that mean I need to open vrchat

jovial kestrel
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Are you trying to merge your steam and VRC accounts?

vocal shard
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yeah

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cause my homeworld freezes my game every time

jovial kestrel
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You need to login to your steam account for the app, and then log into your VRC account on the website.

vocal shard
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app?

jovial kestrel
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In the settings menu you will find an "upgrade" button that gives you a code, then go to the website and login with your vrchat account.

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The game

vocal shard
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that's not in VRChat right

jovial kestrel
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||It's technically not a game, it's an app.||

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No it is.

vocal shard
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but i can't even get into the game

jovial kestrel
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You can use launch options to launch into a different world, or launch into one via the website.

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If you would like to try that.

vocal shard
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I restarted my pc it's working now

jovial kestrel
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Oh, excellent.

mental otter
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How do i make a game i wanna make a horror game so i can play it

worldly wigeon
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there needs to be a option to turn off replies,ive already got 2 messages of people saying "there fucking" i didnt wish to know that

robust thunder
mental otter
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what

worldly wigeon
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just matter of time before someone else does it 🤷‍♂️

true edge
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Can anyone help me with my vrchat I play on oculus rift s and sometimes when I try to join or load into worlds it sends me back to my home world (which is the defult homeworld) i've tried buying a new oculus rift s but it still has the same problem but my quest 2 dosen't have this problem which is really odd but I want to be able to play on my oculus rift s so if anyone can help me that would be really nice.

vocal shard
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for fucks sake I can't select people, and thanks to that this guy's avatar is really lagging my game. thanks, vrchat

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np

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np

vocal shard
tulip marsh
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I got something im pretty sure i can thank you for something too vrchat...

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A dead fucking graphics card

vocal shard
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?

vocal shard
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I had no choice but to block them for now

tawny fiber
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any way to play with just vr users? and any way to play with only over 18's?

vocal shard
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no

tawny fiber
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well shit

vocal shard
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I wish but until then

white latch
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By time they ever add that I'll be 18 lol

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god I've been playing for like four years what the hell

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Probably more like three years but still, it's been awhile.

dim geode
vocal shard
obsidian shore
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I have a question. Im thinking about getting a vr headset. probably only for Vrchat and Beat Saber. What would be the Best for only that? dont want to spend 1000 euros or something like that

dim geode
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aye, whenever my frames tank thats my goto to get some breathing space to fix safeties

obsidian shore
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Okay thanks

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well it isnt avaiable in my country

radiant aspen
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i don’t know how i feel about having met blueasis in a random community lab at random. He seems chill but i still dislike brushes

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Just made it awkward as all hell not gonna lie

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And it wasn’t like a a massive world or anything it was just a small room type world with 3 others

languid beacon
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Asking for a friend - can Unity 2018 & the VRCSDK etc work on Linux and correctly build for Windows/Android?

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I can't imagine why it wouldn't, but I don't know much about Unity on other platforms

dim geode
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im pretty sure it can, it uses mono for windows builds

west night
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Anyone want to play dm me

vocal shard
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avatars arent loading

tranquil blade
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relaunch

neat ferry
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My friends telling me that their avatars won't load or something.

vocal shard
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oof servers down

waxen portal
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^^^

smoky dagger
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Ummm....I don't know where to post this....I have an active subscription on VRchat Plus, logged in tonight, and I'm a regular user. Even clicking on VRchat plus says this user has an active subscription. I lost a bunch of saved avatars....any help on what I can do?

noble depot
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The server is having issues right now - how long ago did you notice the issue? o:

smoky dagger
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Just about ten minutes ago. I decided to restart my computer.

spice pewter
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server issues started about 10 minutes ago

smoky dagger
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Is steam having issues too by chance?

vocal shard
polar rose
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vrchat is having some kind of major issue right now, so it could be that

smoky dagger
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I guess we'll see won't we.....

zenith pumice
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avatars dont load for me lol

indigo owl
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I can’t load my avatars

vocal shard
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servers are down

potent citrus
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noticed

indigo owl
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Again

noble depot
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VRChat's having server issues right now - will likely be fixed shortly! c:

indigo owl
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It happened last week

potent citrus
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i had 120 avatar slots for a minute-

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yet i only have 24/25 avatars rn

vocal shard
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the servers always go down when i am about to get on vr

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):

potent citrus
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the servers are back on

vocal shard
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oh wait VRChat is having issues

indigo owl
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No they are not

vocal shard
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that's why I couldn't change my avatar

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it wouldn't load them for me or my friend

indigo owl
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I can’t join worlds

vocal shard
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I rejoined the world and it fixed my current avatar tho

potent citrus
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same

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but it said i have 120/120 avatars saved-

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meanwhile i only have 24/25 avatars

sharp stream
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vrc servers down i guess

gleaming kraken
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sigh... is this just a constant thing now?

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i cant even test out any of my new avatars

grim bough
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game broke

indigo owl
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People are lagging for me and I never have that earlier before

tame wasp
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Instance glitch: part 2
🍿

potent citrus
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servers down again.

distant oasis
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whats going on

vocal shard
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my friend disappeared

noble depot
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Server is having issues right now, will likely be fixed shortly c:

tame wasp
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munch

potent citrus
neat ferry
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yeah they're having issues again now.

vocal shard
gleaming kraken
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funny how it could load the world just fine but an avatar... nope

polar rose
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i would love if this stopped being a weekly thing

tame wasp
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funny to see the same problem happen again with the span of a few days 😂

gleaming kraken
vocal shard
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VRChat has a lot of issues tbh

gleaming kraken
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they are growing

tame wasp
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🍿

potent citrus
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do ya think there's a hacker going around or is it just a problem in the codes?

vocal shard
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probably code

neat ferry
vocal shard
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considering the amount of bugs it has already

potent citrus
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they'd tell us if there was a jacker =w=

polar rose
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usually servers are fine but its been like this nearly every week of 2021. not a good look.

neat ferry
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but knowing VRchat, it isn't anymore.

gleaming kraken
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my guess is that their servers havent been upgraded in awhile

potent citrus
tame wasp
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🍿

clever patrol
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h̶e̶l̶l̶o̶ g̶u̶i̶s̶e̶

vocal shard
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guess we just gotta wait and see

gleaming kraken
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it only started to get worse after christmas and especially new years

potent citrus
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i swear- i keep hearing people chat behind me-

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i'm in a private world!

balmy barn
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Y’all ever get crashed by a “trusted user”

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Cuz like

clever patrol
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🅷︎🅴︎🅻︎🅻︎🅾︎ 🅶︎🆄︎🅸︎🆂︎🅴︎

lethal jay
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All the time unfortunately

vocal shard
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I'm in a siren head game and my friend said he would stay at the house in it and I come back he's gone

potent citrus
vocal shard
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it says he's in the same world on his profile too

potent citrus
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hell yea.

balmy barn
lethal jay
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In all honestly, trusted users are the least trust worthy now

balmy barn
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Tbh yea

tame wasp
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Most of them, not all of them lol

polar rose
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always have been

balmy barn
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A lot of them crash us because “the funi”

vocal shard
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if only I could get vrc+ 😔

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Hello!

lethal jay
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Yeah, which is why I set myself to appear as user

potent citrus
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"the funi"???

tame wasp
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Im probably one of the few that aren't a dick

balmy barn
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Ye

tame wasp
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I'm not gonna appear as a user. I earned that rank 😂

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unlike the ones that paid to get it lol

polar rose
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trusted users always been sketch af ever since trust system was even a thing

velvet totem
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Wish I could show my veteran rank

potent citrus
balmy barn
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They think it’s funny

vocal shard
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How do people use ovr to go through walls?

potent citrus
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oh-

balmy barn
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Yee

tame wasp
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@vocal shard I earned it by playing the game a lot and uploading avatars and a world

marsh spire
#

anyone else having trouble with avatars loading?

potent citrus
#

me and my friends always fuck with eachother like that =w=

vocal shard
#

I just got VR yesterday and have been having so much fun in VRchat!

lethal jay
#

I mean you can't even pay for trusted, once you get user, the vrc+ bonus wouldn't even get you to known user on it's own

past temple
#

avatar load is slow on my end too

potent citrus
#

we hope you enjoy our community.

velvet jolt
#

There are 31575 users in VRChat currently

polar rose
#

@lethal jay thats what vrchat claim, but its actually a complete lie

lethal jay
#

It can yes but if you literally just got user, it doesn't

velvet jolt
#

Maybe why ?=

tame wasp
#

watched two friends get their rank up to known through paying for that plus thing
and i was like "Pikachu O face"

potent citrus
vocal shard
#

Thank you :D it's been so great, I think I've got an addiction already xF

tame wasp
#

Im not talking about literally, dude

potent citrus
#

that's so low....

tame wasp
#

I know how rank levels work 😂

potent citrus
polar rose
tame wasp
# potent citrus i don't.

People increase their rank form adding friends, play time, uploading avatars, and uploading worlds
People can go up ranks without uploading stuff, but that'll take longer than normal

marsh spire
#

anyone having issues loading avatars? me and a friend of mine has that along with some connection issues

woven tundra
#

Same

keen summit
#

same

tame wasp
#

🍿

lethal jay
#

How do you even see if someone is a veteran user... I thought it was a mod that showed that

polar rose
#

API

fair widget
#

same

jovial kestrel
polar rose
#

no mods required

lethal jay
#

Huh I need to figure out how to do that then, kinda wanna see if I am a veteran user or not

jovial kestrel
#

There is no extended boost.

marsh spire
#

aight just making sure it aint us being dum dums

polar rose
vapid forge
#

yikes i was drinking in vr lol

devout root
#

servers working again?

marsh spire
#

nope

polar rose
#

sort of

tame wasp
neat ferry
#

I didn't uploaded anything, I love to hang out with my friends.

tame wasp
#

ayyy

neat ferry
#

3k hours.

#

Desktop user since from the start.

crimson patrol
#

Ah, so I am not the only person that can't load an avatar

jovial kestrel
neat ferry
#

Earned my rank, in 1000+ hours timespan.

oblique silo
#

um vrchat aint working

neat ferry
#

VRchat is very fun with people i know with.

lethal jay
#

Sooo would someone like to tell me how to check if someone is veteran rank?

crimson patrol
#

API calls

tame wasp
#

🍿

marsh onyx
#

ya the servers are broken

smoky wing
#

my vrchat is being a dick not loading my avatars and kicking me out of the world

lethal jay
#

Ik that but I meant like what call

hollow pier
#

Are the servers broken?

marsh spire
#

isnt the same way you see their rank? trusted ect

marsh onyx
#

ya

hollow pier
#

my friend cant see me, their on quest and im on pc

wraith pumice
#

why the server messes up every few days

hollow pier
#

but normally its fine

jovial kestrel
#

Servers are currently experiencing a slowdown. Hang tight.

oblique silo
#

thank u

#

i thought it was my computer

polar rose
hollow pier
#

Is there a place i can donate to help u guys get better servers?

late void
#

idk if that was you

hollow pier
#

ill drop some money

tepid mural
#

slowdown they are down on my end

lethal jay
#

How would you know that though, my discord tag is not my vrchat acc

vocal shard
#

ok so it isnt just me

vocal shard
late void
hollow pier
#

well is there a place were i can do like a direct donation not via VRC+

late void
#

whats your vrc name

wraith pumice
#

Yeah my friend can’t join me back and changing avatars results in infinite loading

lethal jay
#

I mean all I am asking for is the call...

grim hare
#

yeah pretty broken for me too :c

smoky sapphire
#

So buggy servers and avatar rippers (Named WildKale) for today, got it

wraith pumice
#

Rip

grim hare
#

F

noble depot
frosty wren
#

how much money for the not broken version of this game where the servers are always going down

hollow pier
open pulsar
#

Yay vrchat broken with inf load time on avatar switching

noble depot
#

how would you know lol

shy karma
#

ddos is going on

wraith pumice
#

Well I guess it is the start of the weekend and ppl are logging on, but that still doesn’t excuse the server issues.

gleaming kraken
noble depot
#

Steam takes 30%, but the rest goes directly to VRChat's company

hollow pier
polar rose
#

seems server issues are kinda clearing up but not really, idk

jovial kestrel
#

The servers are pretty damn expensive

frosty wren
#

it's not a ddos its their servers being shit, it's been going on for years now

weak musk
wraith pumice
gleaming kraken
#

must be pretty ballsy to ddos someone that many times since this is happening often now

noble depot
hollow pier
tight swallow
#

hello

noble depot
#

Amazon

hollow pier
#

I know server side pc's are expensive as hell

jovial kestrel
hollow pier
#

Allright thats fine, just curious

wraith pumice
# jovial kestrel The servers are pretty damn expensive

Yeah and shouldn’t the people managing the game be able to pay for it, I mean it seems they are banking and going head on with vrc+ although we don’t know how much they profited off it lets hope the money goes towards making the game better.

vocal shard
#

It is always funny when this happens the discord server turns into a flood of people half complaining to the devs and the other half just confused

tepid mural
#

yessir

wraith pumice
shy karma
#

And?

wraith pumice
#

It happened twice in a row before that too

jovial kestrel
oblique silo
shy karma
#

I don't get your point

fallen fossil
#

same for me

wraith pumice
#

There’s no way it’s getting ddossed this many times

shy karma
#

?++

vagrant yoke
#

vr chat why do u not load models...

wraith pumice
#

Why do people keep saying that

hollow pier
#

They should just be able to restart the servers and that can fix majority of the issues (based off experience ive had with server side issues) if that dosnt fix it than theres something bigger they have to diagnose which sucks to do

shy karma
#

Ddos can happen multiple times

vocal shard
#

Hey I guess the vrchat team got some enemies

lament cove
#

Hope it just gets fixed soon

wraith pumice
#

In the same time frame? And why now

hollow pier
jovial kestrel
#

I'm pretty sure this isn't a DDoS

hollow pier
#

Most botnets dont go over 25

wraith pumice
#

Same

gleaming kraken
#

you know that does bring up a good question, when do they actually give the servers some real downtime? if its just going 24/7 then i wonder if that causes any issues

shy karma
#

Because this is the weekend, best time to ddos

shrewd edge
#

yeah no, not a ddos

noble depot
#

It's definitely not a DDoS, unless Cloudflare is failing horribly

vast tulip
tepid mural
#

you would think sending out an announcement would only take like 2 minutes

sweet laurel
#

yo it's uzakis mom

wooden pelican
#

has vrc said anything yet

gleaming kraken
#

theres moderators literally talking in this chat

hollow pier
#

._.

hollow pier
#

Not hard to bypass

thick hazel
#

why is it that when i join a world, it makes me rejoin that exact same world 5 seconds later

hollow pier
wraith pumice
gleaming kraken
#

dont spread misinformation

thick hazel
#

^

hollow pier
#

Dont spread false rumors

potent citrus
#

are the servers still down?

vocal shard
#

I thought I made it satire enough let me add some 100s

hollow pier
#

Yep

gleaming kraken
#

garbage like you are why these spots of downtime turn into a hell hole

vast tulip
boreal cape
#

Anyone else having issues in VRChat?

vocal shard
#

Guessing servers died again?

lapis gull
#

must be the load of the new invite system and all the users online

tepid mural
#

exactly, its clear the team knows, so wheres the announcement

sinful falcon
boreal cape
#

Oh okay,

#

Dang, I was just about to upload my gender bent version of myself

jaunty oasis
#

Idk bout you guys, but im enjoying a good time feeding ducks :P

sinful falcon
#

F

lyric crest
#

!online

floral flaxBOT
#

There are 27799 users in VRChat currently

tender tiger
#

damnit I JUST got on

vocal shard
#

theres an emoji limit? interesting

jovial kestrel
hollow pier
tepid mural
#

there we go

keen kindle
#

Ducks vrcAevSip

vocal shard
#

so technically old server instances are working but not the new

boreal cape
# hollow pier Wot?!

Yeah, Making a Male and female version of my model, then making the base models public.

lapis gull
#

staff just posted announcement about fixing issue woo!

hollow pier
vocal shard
#

Hey everyone! We're aware of some server issues that are going on right now that may affect logging in, changing instances, etc. We're looking into it, your patience and appreciation is much appreciated! is what they said

#

Love how my friends also have same issue but still think spamming me invites and wanting to join me will solve the problem.

hollow pier
#

lol been there done that

vocal shard
#

Hey everyone! We're aware of some server issues that are going on right now that may affect logging in, changing instances, etc. We're looking into it, your patience and appreciation is much appreciated!

flint mist
#

maybe if we gave them 19.99 a month they'll make it work

boreal cape
#

The server issue kinda costed me a Commission client.. But no worries, not anyone's fault.

wraith pumice
# vast tulip why not at all? they have millions of users. why do you think there is some arbi...

I dunno I just compare it to every other game and the servers don’t get ddossed like this at least not that I know of, I dunno how good the servers are for vrchat or if they can be protected against an attack at all, all I know is it’s unusual for it to be attacked this many times in a span of a few days, not only that the timing is odd too why now and not anytime before, nothing important is happening.

vocal shard
#

ion I was just copy pasting LMAO

lofty onyx
#

ah

hollow pier
misty hare
#

the severs arent working right i hope they fix them

lofty onyx
#

It would be soooooooo nice if updates would not be done on the busiest night of the week.

hollow pier
jovial kestrel
wraith pumice
misty hare
#

@jovial kestrel thx

tepid mural
#

bro tarkov has better servers and hot damn are they bad

hollow pier
#

damn the aggressive message timer is killing me

vocal shard
#

At least its happening this weekend and not on the 4 day weekend

heady wasp
#

it made me sign terms of service again, so im guessing update.

wraith pumice
white cairn
#

And I just released my new world update 😦

lofty onyx
wraith pumice
hollow pier
white cairn
#

It's not a backend update, it's a Friday. This will just be be an outage.

lofty onyx
heady wasp
#

strange

hollow pier
magic magnet
#

hi! i understand there are server issues rn. if I'm having trouble changing into models does that fall under server issues as well? <3

flint mist
#

i cant spend time with furry femboys tonight, this is bullshit. ill die without my dose of owo

tepid mural
tame wasp
#

🍿

wraith pumice
tepid mural
#

and other games they host are dying

void hollow
#

vrc havin a mental breakdown

hollow pier
#

Woah, just got a steam client update. I recommend everyone update their Steam clients while the VRC servers are experiencing issues

lofty onyx
flint mist
#

ah its amazon

dim geode
lofty onyx
#

To be clear, I'm not like pissed off or anything. Just trying to understand

tepid mural
wraith pumice
hollow pier
lofty onyx
wraith pumice
#

What other games gets hosted?

unique isle
#

hola

hollow pier
#

Hello Dante!

patent python
#

Why would I be loaded into another instance of a world when I’m already in one?

tepid mural
vocal shard
#

yo is anyones avatar not loading

jaunty oasis
#

Amazon this whole week: CEO steps down, he is taking his servers back as well

arctic drum
#

yea

dim geode
wraith pumice
hollow pier
tepid mural
lofty onyx
tough summit
#

Is anyone having issues with avatars loading

unique isle
#

i.m sorry i.m don't ingles

white cairn
#

It's not then end of the world

patent python
#

Whoever made the loading avatar model please change it

tough summit
hollow pier
tepid mural
vocal shard
#

kinda weird huh

hollow pier
lofty onyx
hollow pier
west night
#

R da severs back up?

wintry warren
#

Whew, looks like a lot of troubles tonight so far.

hollow pier
balmy barn
#

What’s the timer here

noble depot
balmy barn
#

30 sec here too :c F

dusty halo
#

Hello, i'm having a issue that no avatars load, not mine, neither others. they keep stuck in this blue loading animation. i even reinstalled vrchat, i deleted vrchat in regedit. deleted user/temp/localfiles/appdata/vrchat.. what else might it be ?!

potent citrus
west night
#

Oop

jaunty oasis
hollow pier
wraith pumice
#

It is true this is a massively multiplayer game there’s supposed to be a lot of people playing at once, my assumption is to expect them to have ample servers to handle at least 20k ppl I would hope 🤞

jaunty oasis
#

Very true

lofty onyx
hollow pier
dusty halo
#

thanks for the update everyone!

noble depot
vocal shard
#

@noble depot love u

hollow pier
jaunty oasis
#

Probably some problem with the servers like getting caught up in a loop or crashing or what not

pallid pilot
#

Its an issue with intereacting with the servers, not the servers themselves. I doubt it will take too long.

wraith pumice
vocal shard
#

are servers up yet

lofty onyx
pallid pilot
noble depot
light acorn
wraith pumice
#

That’s fine I just wanted some examples I’ll look it up

vocal shard
#

Itll take a bit, dont rush them lmao. It takes a bit of time.

chilly bone
#

was about to ask, anyone else having severe lag/freezing issues

stuck compass
#

My avatar is not even loading

hollow pier
pallid pilot
lofty onyx
#

Ah, note from my friend: DO NOT SWITCH AVATARS. You'll be fucked and have to restart vrc, lol

muted geyser
#

C'mon Tupper put 50c in the

hollow pier
#

lol i'm pretty sure more than 50c are put into VRC servers

lofty onyx
tepid mural
#

I mean It kinda already is I literally couldn't join off people since everything would just freeze after 15 seconds

pallid pilot
#

Its like, 52c at least

muted geyser
#

meter already

hollow pier
muted geyser
#

diamonds are forever ...

vocal shard
#

@radiant gyro welcome to vrchat, what else did you expect?

hollow pier
#

woah, equ? thats my name

wraith pumice
#

What do backend updates do?

vocal shard
#

Vrchat just accidentally nuked so many events lmfao
Shelter didn't even break it this time!

muted geyser
#

time to break out the really sharp poking stuck

chilly bone
#

NNOOOOO

hollow pier
main fern
#

if you come across little kids try to give them an existential crisis i guarantee they will contemplate life and leave for a good while

muted geyser
#

am goingback in ... I may be some time ...

wraith pumice
#

Tf

hollow pier
#

Chat calmed down, now can the slowmode be removed?

slate thicket
#

no

jovial kestrel
#

I don't think that'd be a good idea right now.

hollow pier
#

Damn, atleast I tried.

vocal shard
#

The one time i try to karaoke

hollow pier
#

As the kids say, "Big oof"

vocal shard
#

VRchat is like naw your singing sucks lets crash them servers boi

hot echo
#

Is everyone here not able to play with other people

cunning elm
#

Wow been using my headset and it's awesome! It's so immersive

hollow pier
manic umbra
#

Bug that won't load in avtars please fix this

cunning elm
#

I'm using the vive cosmos. I got it for 200 on offer up. So far no issues. Set up was easy. Sucks vr keeps crashing tho

vocal shard
#

Why does everytime I get on VRChat has a problem

vocal shard
#

It’s always around 8-9 EST

cunning elm
#

I was going to get a quest, but I don't want to make a Facebook account

hollow pier
stone river
#

VRChat is likely having more server problems, wait patiently for them to fix it whenever they have the chance

cunning elm
#

I'll just stick with this until I can get an index. My friend said he will sell his when something better comes out

jovial kestrel
vocal shard
#

RIP

hollow pier
humble cloud
#

Bro where did all that money go from premium? Definitely not to better servers.

gleaming kraken
vocal shard
#

Some people have things to do where it’s not possible to get on sooner sadly

hollow pier
cunning elm
#

Oh shiz nice XD

gleaming kraken
#

nintendo kept trying to patch out the switchs faults so i know facebook will want to do the same

humble cloud
cunning elm
#

Ikr man I keep getting kicked and lagg

tacit plank
#

Isn't it Amazon?

noble depot
#

investments aren't donations

frosty wren
hollow pier
tacit plank
#

Should auto-scale. It's expensive though

jovial kestrel
humble cloud
#

Vrchat stans disgust me lmao you know they could make the game work if they had the right people. Look at other MMO games 🤷‍♂️

tepid mural
#

love it when people love a game but absolutely despise the people who make it

tacit plank
#

There's also a lot of attacks on VRC you know, DDOS and such. They've been target by hacker groups since before the knuckles meme as well

hollow pier
#

Continueing what Atiash said, Steam takes some of the money from In Game Purchases such as VRChat+

noble depot
#

MMO games, owned by much larger companies with much larger teams and much more aggressive monetization strategies

digital citrus
#

guys i have a question and i dont know where to post this, so i have just encountered this bug? (at least im assuming) where my own personal avatars or my favorites wont load for myself, they just wont download but other avatars from other users do and worlds load fine aswell, no 100% loading bug or anything else, thanks

gleaming kraken
#

omg.. check the announcements for goodness sake

hollow pier
gleaming kraken
#

its starting to become hilarious with just how many people dont realize yet whats going on

tacit plank
#

What do you think "The right people" cost? And games like world of warcraft got a lot more money than VRC. And player data is a lot smaller in that as well

vocal shard
#

Ill give it a couple hours, i haven't played warzone in awhile. RIP EU events

rancid jewel
hollow pier
rancid jewel
#

i constantly have discord open on my second monitor so i do
yes i have not touched one of the opposite gender how could you tell /s

hollow pier
gleaming kraken
tacit plank
#

Your inventory is maybe 10KB in WoW. That's nothing compared to the average player with like 1 GB of avatar assets uploaded.
And how much money doesn't WoW cost, with all expansions and months of subscription? Even if 10% of the current players give 10$, the average will have given 1$.

humble cloud
#

If money is their issue then they should put ads in the loading screen.

hollow pier
gleaming kraken
humble cloud
#

Ads would be fine if it meant being able to play on weekends lol

hollow pier
gleaming kraken
#

lmfao

foggy edge
#

Boy it's rough on VRC today.

rancid jewel
#

ads on the loading screen would be cool but like how would that work
the loading screen isnt just a flat image there's 3d models there

vocal shard
#

So what is this, 'important event'? Haven't heard of an event anywhere that I know of

#

Servers still down im gussing ?

humble cloud
#

Not my job to figure out the specifics lol

tacit portal
gleaming kraken
hollow pier
rancid jewel
tacit plank
#

Ads are difficult to impliment, and bring their own problems. You'd have to give ads in correct languages, you'd have to allow, say, Google to harvest users data, you'd have to be able to report bad ads, they'd need to update their ToS, they'd need to program the loading of ads, and somehow make that work with the loading screen which is actually a Unity scene

cedar cobalt
#

ah yes, the game is fixed now, just restart

rancid jewel
gleaming kraken
#

plus the thought of ads in vr games and the potential for data collecting like.. did this person look at the ad, for how long... is too scary of a thought

tacit portal
jovial kestrel
#

I do not think ads are a thing that they want, beyond the VRC+ ad.

tacit plank
#

Also, Ghostie, I don't believe in the economic knowledge of somebody with communism symbols in their username

noble depot
vocal shard
#

Eh i mean even with all the money in the world technology can still run into issues.

#

I was looking for avatars that could fly but the avatar I found wasn’t loading so I went to my other avatar and now I can’t use any of my avatars

rancid jewel
west night
#

Severs will down?

wintry salmon
#

do we have an ETA on when the issue is fxxed

tacit portal
#

its still far more than server c9sts....not like they do much for development..why you think they stay on lts versions?...

rancid jewel
#

no

vocal shard
humble cloud
hollow pier
gleaming kraken
vocal shard
#

Oh thanks

rancid jewel
#

i personally dont want duckie pajamas recommended to me through ads more when i looked at the ads for the duckie pajamas longer, that's just creepy.

tacit plank
#

I play this game every day, I just got off from it, actually. I don't notice all these issues that you guys are complaining about. And most of all I love VRChat and the freedom that they give players where other companies are strict "no-fun-allowed" assholes based on exploiting their users

hollow pier
noble depot
thick hazel
#

its still buggy but ok goodluck

cobalt dragon
#

Things such as avatar worlds seem to load, but when you equip an avatar it’s still buggy.

vocal shard
#

Please no ads, I'm so sick of ads

burnt kettle
rancid jewel
#

fuck ads, whos with me?

noble depot
gleaming kraken
#

how about we move on from ads? lets just hope they realize it would be bad too for the game and move on

rancid jewel
#

to be fair i dont think vrc will implements ads more then they do now with the vrc+ ads

tacit plank
#

And yeah, fuck ads. I'd rather have them nicely ask users not to upload literal 100s of big avatars, which for some reason they don't

tacit portal
noble depot
tacit crow
rancid jewel
#

dynamic bones run on one core

noble depot
#

source? lol

magic canopy
vocal shard
bitter forge
tacit plank
#

It's semi-multi-threaded at least. I don't think i9s perform better than i7s, but you'll definitely do better with a 4-core cpu than a dual-core of the same level

lucid rock
tender tiger
#

is the game actually fixed or are yall fuckin around

gleaming kraken
#

cant tell if yall are joking or if its good now

vestal mulch
#

is anybody else being forced to do the tutorial?

rancid jewel
#

it's probably still having some issues

unreal gull
#

!online

floral flaxBOT
#

There are 24030 users in VRChat currently

vocal shard
#

I'd step back for at least an hour, then check back to see if the servers are working properly

lucid rock
cedar cobalt
#

fixed

tacit crow
#

fixed

bitter forge
#

fixed

magic canopy
#

fixed

jovial kestrel
#

Even if the issues are fixed, it will take some time for it to be stable for all users.

vocal shard
#

Ive been doing fine LMAO im still banned from public worlds so im just chilling in roots home

gleaming kraken
#

???

lofty onyx
#

Countdown until I get kicked, lol

vocal shard
#

Do you think I have software engineering experience

jovial kestrel
#

Alright so. Let me get this straight, you read and referenced a rule you're... you're breaking?

lofty onyx
#

Oh yeah, you should probably all personalize it a bit, lol

tepid mural
#

Damn bro that email made me a top tier software dev in seconds it's like magic

vestal mulch
#

did anybody else have to do a tutorial when they booted up?

gleaming kraken
rancid jewel
#

:vrcPoggers:

vocal shard
#

I’m just waiting because avatars still aren’t loading for me atm

dim maple
brave bough
#

i hope my friends dont think im kicking them T^T

lofty onyx
vocal shard
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Is anyone else like... other people are freezing and it is kicking you out of instances or is taht just me and my homies

tepid mural
undone mirage
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hi

tacit plank
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It's not a bad idea, but they probably don't want 50 emails
Could put it on the canny?

jovial kestrel
undone mirage
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you make me want to use grammar.

silver heron
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it's the battlefront 2 clone trooper meme, "NOT CLEAR! NOT CLEAR!" when it comes to the servers rn

lofty onyx
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lmfaoo, my message was deleted xD
Well at least the mods saw it, I tried 🤷‍♂️

wintry salmon
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was good for a sec

tepid mural
undone mirage
sterile sierra
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Yo I get stuck in the go screen

silver heron
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i'm still stuck with blue ghost avatars, i wonder if i'll have to reupload once server probs are over

weak relic
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something strange is going on. I keep getting booted from world to world to world

jovial kestrel
tepid mural
simple rain
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god im getting so impatient

radiant eagle
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Does anyone wana log and hang in like 45

noble depot
undone mirage
lofty onyx
jovial kestrel
radiant eagle
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ok

unkempt totem
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Hellooo

lofty onyx
gleaming kraken
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im sure they would if they knew

jovial kestrel
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Lots of the unrest during these times comes from people not knowing what's wrong.

gleaming kraken
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and the misinformation

lofty onyx
vocal shard
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sometimes angry people say things they shouldn't

undone mirage
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i just joined an among us game with 20 people-

gleaming kraken
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ive found that often misinformation can be infinitely worse than just a lack of info

jovial kestrel
lavish quest
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So what's the cause, is cloudflare acting up again?

livid fossil
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I really cant find an avatar that i like, any tips?

spice pewter
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Servers back up?

gleaming kraken
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not yet it seems

light acorn
lofty onyx
jovial kestrel
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All good.

gleaming kraken
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i know someone mentioned earlier it was likely amazon since he said that other servers were having issues but i have no validation for that claim

tepid mural
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yea lemme go find the specific message for ya

gleaming kraken
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but seriously dont take that claim as fact. im merely stating what someone else mentioned

tepid mural
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(Central Standard Time for reference)

wintry salmon
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eta ppl im with wanna know

vocal shard
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we dont have eta on these kinda things

tepid mural
boreal cape
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Servers back yet?

still basin
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some

tepid mural
tender tiger
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avatars are screwed

full jetty
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Not be pushy about the question but does it affect avatars, seems like first my controllers were acting up and then my avatar was

ivory viper
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How do cameron

tender tiger
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game works though

noble depot
ivory viper
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How so

vocal shard
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vrchat went down like 2 hours ago

full jetty
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DIdnt see that message, thanks

noble depot
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yw! c:
and by shortly I mean not the end of the weekend lol, this is still a vv fresh issue
again no official ETA

vocal shard
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people at vrchat need to get their crap together and upgrade their shit servers

full jetty
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It's significantly better than a certain russian company that makes games with tanks in them cough gaijin cough

narrow sorrel
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Honestly I'm booting up 76 again, atleast the bugs in that game will make me laugh and not be depressed waiting for something better

sterile sierra
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I cant even get ingame

vocal shard
sterile sierra
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My game gets stuck in go

gleaming kraken
quick stratus
vocal shard
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And why ask me this? @gleaming kraken

full jetty
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Playing warthunder has significantly increased my thought and appreciation of developers

noble depot
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awh lol, thank you! c:
@sterile sierra I'm not a dev, just trying to help lol

sterile sierra
elder cipher
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i had a bomb ass sandwich the other day.

tepid mural
elder cipher
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kaboom!

gleaming kraken
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Rope? Lamp oil?

indigo owl
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Who do a sleepover in vrchat?

noble depot
full jetty
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For the general chat of this size of discord its reasonably calm, I'm surprised

vocal shard
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It wasnt 15 minutes ago

gleaming kraken
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it was much worse half an hour ago

full jetty
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well that was probably because ping pong

vocal shard
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Are the servers still down?

narrow sorrel
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I've been watching the chaos for the most part

gleaming kraken
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i think everyone realize that it would be awhile and just went to do other things

vocal shard
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I'm glad I wasn't here half an hour ago.

dim geode
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im learning macrame

full jetty
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I've just gone to find some more models to work on while we wait lmao

narrow sorrel
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I wish I could make madels

vocal shard
noble depot
full jetty
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I'm surprised I'm still just an user with 300 hours 30+ avatars and a world but to be fair I stopped playing before the trust ranking

narrow sorrel
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Someone at me when they are up again, I wanted to go avatar hunting

full jetty
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We'll probably get an at everyone

cerulean path
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cool, i'll try not to fall sleep before the at everyone

narrow sorrel
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If they don't then let me know

full jetty
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mfw It's 4 am where I live

cerulean path
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dang

vocal shard
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might as well sleep now then

vocal shard
cerulean path
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yeah, sleep is important, it helps your body grow, and can help keep your body and mind healthy

full jetty
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I think it's too late for that already I've turned into an owl basically

vocal shard
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I know a kid who got like no sleep and he grew like 5 inches in a year

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Then I'm unhealthy af

cerulean path
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is 5 inches a year a lot? i would think so idk im short

full jetty
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I'm 180cm so whatever that is in Murica sizing

cerulean path
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also same if i dont set an alarm for like 6am and it's not a school day, im sleeping till 10am - 2pm

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yes, i said 2 pm.

tepid mural
burnt kettle