#vrchat-general-2
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Thanks dude! Testing a private instance should be enough to start 🙂 Hopefully my repgrows naturally
New User gets private and public avatar upload, but only private world upload. Then once you get full User you can submit worlds to the lab process to become public
Oh didn't knew that
what's the new user requirement tho
Playing or buying VRC+
so you can't get it naturally without vrc+ then
You can through playing
how long
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
Alternatively, you can subscribe to VRC+ for one month to get to new user directly. https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq
You get everything without vrc+ eventually. Goes all the way up to Trusted User
i assume a linked account would work
Paying for VRC+ just skips the very first stage where you are a visitor. Still playing the waiting game for anything more
yeah i just wanna start creating my sona as an avatar
Yo so I use an Odyssey plus and my controllers no longer work on VRC.
I think I just destroyed blender
tried to do texture paint on 3d view with a very large brush size
oh god I just tried to use a paint bucket on a flat image and blender crashed
you can start today the sdk will download just fine and you can follow a tutorials, then after a little while longer you can upload
Remove culling and project from view, they make texture paint laggy
okie thanks for the help guys/gals
any good servers/avatars for anime avatars
something looks like my pfp something like felix argyle
are the servers up rn?
if you can connect and play the server is up
Yeah we might have a few of those
why did they change all the nametags too look grey?
because of an upcoming UI update plus the visible ranks often lead to discrimination
Because colored nameplates made people elitist and it was widely disliked
Also this just looks cleaner
You can remove the grey if you don’t like it
i mean i got nothing against' it but like another color would have been nice
It’s neutral and will fit most situations
You can decrease the transparency if it’s too much
like they could make an option where u can choose which color u want everyone to be so it's like all grey nameplates but u can change it if u wanted
o really? hm ill look into that then xd i was just asking bc i didn't play for a while and then all of a sudden everything looked very different
interesting
I have a question
then ask
please no
you end up getting blocked with that avatar
its just cringe and unfunny. same for these brushes
Reekid
Of course.
Those videos are cringe in and of themselves.
only because someone made a "funny" video with an avatar doesnt mean everyone who uses them is funny too
Brush is like... a system avatar. People are going to pick not knowing what it is. Don’t be mean to brushes for only using the avatar. You can usually find some other reason to block them, though.
yea, that reason is called nono square dance with shitty rift s mic
also the nutter butter is not in any world, you would need to clone it off of someone
I never said that other people were funny I just want to know if people have the skin is that so hard to answer or are you going to just be a jerk and judge me and everyone else on why people want the skin
Why do you have such a huge problem with it
I am going to judge you but also tell you yeah it’s not in any world gotta clone it
im not judging you because of looking for an avatar, i just want to save people from getting blocked for reasons that are basically irrellevant
Whos on for casual play
I know that damnit I just want to know if anyone has the damn skin so I can clone it also they don’t use the rift they use a different headset plus I already have the brush skins but you guys are making a huge deal out of a skin
I never asked if it was in a world I know it’s not I’m not a damn idiot I asked if anyone had it
Geese
No.
what do you expect from long time players who only see 2 types of avatars in the last 8 months or so
Umm for you to not make a huge deal out of someone just wanting a skin
i know ways to get it, but im not sure if its on the legal side or not
Being upset and defensive won’t really get you help, I find. Take a step back and relax. It’s not a big deal that no one here likes that avatar. If someone here had it, I’m sure they would speak up.
Well it ain’t my fault that I’m being bombarded with everything else but a simple answer
I gave you the simple answer up there.
i just said please dont and explained why
No one here has that cursed avatar.
I know you said no you didn’t I saw that
...
Ok that’s all I needed not being told not to get it and why I shouldn’t it’s my game
Well not my game I mean my account
So I can do what I want with it and if I get banned that’s ok cause I’m using my test account anyways not my main
when does early supporter badge thing end
Not announced
what the bruh
For what it’s worth, Discord Nitro early supporter badges were available for its first year. No reason this would be the same but it’s a ballpark
At the end of the month. Maybe!
A month? Wow! Exclusive.
Presumibly.
I would imagine they'd only allow it for the first month. 
Well, actually... I retract that statement.
Adeon's right, there's no announcement.
2 hours and still not able to get into VRChat.
FIX YOUR GAME!
im in and dont have any problems
its not the game thats broken. Something's up on your end
!online
There are 16475 users in VRChat currently
Websocket still giving you crap, InsideNova?
yes
Yeah it’s you, @exotic lake
Does anyone know what is up with the recent "host bug"? The bug that when the host/master of a world speaks it will bug randomly and loop the audio? (ping me in replies please)
This should have been fixed over a week ago. When was the last time you saw it happen?
About these meme avatars or whatever. I didn't even liked them the first time i played lol. I immediately went out to search some cute ones.
host stutter been fixed for me since the December 11 update
ok
But if you still see it be sure to say so
will do
it says the extra free month will end in about 8 days
so i assume it will be the same for the badge?
also did discord get rid of the early supporter badge or do i just not see people with them anymore
oh nevermind
Hard disagree
Cute ones all the way
Meme avatars worn by people that think they are funny are unfunny
I know Butter Nutter and i hate it
If the right person wore it I’d be on the floor even then.
It’s just the default butter avatar except the B is replaced with N and it’s white instead of yellow. That’s all. Also it has god awful animations.
yeah things like nutter butter or the brush are unfunny. But like avatars from lolathon, cyberchimp, darrenzeus, etc are actually funny
I don't have anything against brush avatars personally as long as the person itself is not acting cringe.
Well. I’m a little too old to feel cringe. At a certain point you just stop caring lol
anyone else having trouble favouriting/unfavouriting avatars?
My private avatars don't even have a single animation
I have no idea what could cause this. Everything else is running great
Maybe do a router reset
have you read what artemus wrote?
If nothing works try factory settings
did this a minute ago. will try it now
You also may want to check your NAT type if you don't have IPv6
NAT can really mess online gaming up
The best places are private instances. Gotta make friends and then eventually you’ll find one with a private group and then you can join in on them once you’re part of the clique. Sounds bad but it’s how you do
They’re the best
You can always go back in public and make more friends and be a part of more groups of friends. It’s not one or the other
just started in vrchat, not sure how it works with trying to meet up w/ people but we could meet sometime
I need new controllers. 
I have a rift s too, can't hop on now because I g2g work but I can get on tomorrow or anytime after
I’m gonna get rift s
friended you both, shout me sometime when you're on or if I'm on or whatever
Is there anyone fluent with blender who I can talk to for support about a bunch of stuff?
Sorry, i dont speak fluent Blender, but maybe someone in #3d-modeling 
I have a question
just ask
And he was never heard from again
always
F
I have a question
just ask
Is rec room just like vrchat
no
Not in the slightest.
but is rec room bad?
rec room is a difference audience
Oof
then get pc
i wish it did
the console wont run it well and psvr is not great either.
and there is sony
Once you had a propper PC VR Headset or even a quest v1 would easily show you that 😛
It’s like wii sports for vr. There’s nothing wrong with the game. But it’s filled with little kids. If you have some actual friends to play with it’s fun for some games. The basic graphics and lobbies filled with screaming kids is a turn off.
Tldr there’s nothing wrong with the game it’s just the other players
but gorn ,riche's plank expreince, some pc games came on the playstation vr
so why not vrchat
because vrchat allows user generated content, and sony is bitchy about that stuff
Who's "gorn"?
oh
vr game
😐
Yeah. This is why. Sony would never allow a game where anyone can upload their own content. I’m surprised Facebook even allows it. But Sony is not Facebook.
Sony is as old school as it gets
they also hate cross platform
ofc
exclusive content is the only reasons consoles survive
Then do it
Microsoft and Nintendo are doing just fine on the crossplay front tbh
nintendo hates its own fans
They do, but they like money
but when you put your hand on the table it goes through the table
vrchat does the same
No?
What are you expecting?
Hmm, well, has anyone been thinking about an opensource (permissive, not GPL) game console with ultra-pro-fandom rights assured and indemnified?
Depends on the table
Pft. No
Raspberry Pi 😏
I think it'd be a miracle if someone could pull off something pro-fandom
I see what you did, "Stallmanfanboi"
I hate GPL license and I can't help myself 😅
GPL is just like the proprietary. I wanna use my license for my work. As we all do. Not having some butthurt narcissist's wallet size decide on whose opinion gets to be end-all be-all.
It’s ok. I have similar things that bug me. For me it’s license fanboys/hateboys.
Hehe, I wish there was copyright abolition and that people behaved like on deviantART and YouTube
I just license everything WTFPL and be done with it
“You can do whatever you want with it unless you ask me for permission, in which case the answer is no.”
But come to think of it, I suppose maybe some FPGA implementation could work. I mean, it wouldn't be able to use even half the infrastructure we use today. No Unity, no Unreal, etc.. Maybe though we could get Godot working?
But I don't wanna possibly violate a rule of this server by talking about something which a moderator could deem as "alternatives to VRChat"
You can't talk about alternatives to VRC? Not even in #general? That's rediculus...

There's a difference between talking about other games and blatantly advertising them
Ah
In general you can talk about all kinds of games in #gaming
you just shouldn't exactly use this discord to actively talk about competitors, specifically not repeatedly.
pog champ
Anyone here happen to run this thing. . . with a 6900XT?
Are you asking because you wanna know if it's a good card?
Because in that case i'd say, i'd not wanna miss the side features the nvidia card's provide.
Starting from NVENC over Cuda and CuDDN, Hairworks, and the other nice to have features.
While AMD does have equivalents for most they often are worse and support is also definitely not even close as good.
I generally wouldn't care about those extra features. . .
I don't have interest in (maxing) any of those modern AAA games.
play if ya want
It's not just the games that benefit from the side features.
Hearing about someone having better perf. in VRC with a rx 6000 series card (vs. equivalent RTX 3000 and considering how rare these cards are AND the smol # of desktop PC players in this game) and VRC being my main as well as my most demanding game...
It's (much) better than my 1070 at the very least.
the 3k series does atm have some issues which are bug caused
it's not the native performance of the card that is the issue.
Do not that that as a benchmark.
Still? Errmm... You have any guesses as of how long I could be waiting for those to be solved?
Well, likly before you can actually buy a 3xxx card. 
the 1070 should definitely still be decent enough for now. 
fpaul ples, stop telling people to buy 3000 series cards, leave some in stock for me too 
That'd be a lie! . . . if I had a 💳.
I've seen 30 series in-stock and was able to get to checkout page recently.
My local microcenter only has 10 year old GPUs and 1 quadro RTX in stock
Not even a RTX A6000 
I like the A6000 but it's the same price as the build I'm getting ready to buy.

I'm planning Ryzen 9 5950x, 128GB ram, 18TB HDD, 2x2TB NVME, nVidia 3090 over the next few months. And maybe a decagear HMD(if reviews are good). As good as my stuff was in 2017, an 8 core threadripper is an antique and 1.5tb NVME is chronically low disk space.
As much as i would love to beat you to the ground for such a config... i know it's a actual workstation not a i have to much money gaming pc 
and it an absolut crazy rig
Damn
Jesus, 128GB ram
Workstation.
I'm curious to see the next 5 years of moore's law in play. It seems to be slowing for the average gamer. Will a gamer need more than 32GB ram or a 10gb vram card, or an 8 core? I don't know.
Well a 4gb ram still works for me currently
... how 
whoah!
4GB ram????? or vram?
Henlo
Close shave
i try to make my own charecter for vr chat
Same
I dream that 3D Xpoint (or an alternative) becomes more common/cheaper!
I'm tempted in getting one of those Intel 900p/905p SSDs
What's the difference between sdk2 and 3
Watcha makin? ^^
How though? Like 8GB with a discrete gpu I can see but what's actually playable on 4GB?
Chrome is barely playable with 4gb! xD
@vocal shard give me a min i show you
okay!
well you see, if you can't upgrade your laptop you wouldn't even consider buying current new games with higher requirements
@vocal shard i sent you the style im gonne do but diffrend
thats cool!
but dont know how the software works
get studying! xD
yeah lol
i try to figuere it out
hope it goes well :))
atm nope
Everyone in this game is such different ages, I want to play with people around my age (Im 19)
anyone want to?
Do you know how to 3D render and rig? 
if you can exsplain it im happy
we can always learn

@vocal shard yup i know XDDD
Well crimson ain't the only one out there lol
rigging is pretty easy... you take the body, cut it in half, put in bones and glue it back together
o
So the Quest max poly is 7 k while desktop is 70k?
desktop is unlimited. Some people walk around with 1 million poly monstrosities...
Jesus Christ how is that even possible
10k
kitbashing raw assets, instead of doing all the basic blender work to bring it down to 70k polys.
s'cuse me.... what? 👁️ 👄 👁️
these are the kind of people you report for malicious avatars
(If it is actually that many and not high number you get when reading permissions of the mesh is denied)
Guess making a detailed avatar will be hard with the limitations
Really isnt if you spend 2 more minutes on it then just throwing it into unity and uploading it
Will also make it look a lot better most of the time
doesn't it show like 4 billion if the read permissions are off? These days I play with all avatars off except friends. If a person is cool/talking/in the group I'm in I show.
But good to know that those can be reported.
So far I know is blender > cats > unity > upload
But I'm just prepping the model first as I'm still ranked Visitor
Even quest limits are reasonable. 10k polys is double the polys of super smash melee. 70k is bigger than most ps4 main characters. Raw assets comes with ridiculous polys because they are meant to be processed to whatever is needed. For example an avatar could have a ring that's 50k polys raw, or 500 processed.
About the only annoying thing for my quest model is the stiffness of all my hair and feathers. Other than that it looks like the 70k poly version. I'm even considering removing my high poly version from the game. And just rolling with 10k polys.
I think it doesn't even display a polycount and says something about mesh read/write disabled and that forces it to very poor regardless.
10k polys is double the polys of super smash melee
A big difference between SSBM and VR is the size of the model onscreen (well, in VR this translates weirdly due to FOV and shit) and how close the camera generally gets to the model, so it's not really a good comparison to make since the use cases of the models are wildly different without even taking hardware into account.
I'm trying to make a military avatar tho lol
The equipments are going to take a huge chunk of the quota
Does VRChat with a VR Headset work good? Going to do VR gameplay footage in 2-3 weeks.
🤔 bit vague there, sure? if you have a pc thats not a 🥔
No doubt. But I'm really impressed with what some of the quest artists are doing. I definitely don't mind more polys and materials, the guidelines for poor are pretty much where I draw the line for reasonable in a public instance.
I have ordered the strongest VR pc there was ever built.
in all honesty but you really shouldnt need 70k even for a more detailed and good looking avatar
the base avatar between 30-40k ish for all kinda quality level, and then maybe a little more for props or toggleable layers
Two words, hair cards
😱
hair what? 
You don't know what hair cards are?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/c2/2c/13c22cb4d571d404d86ca993195b6de1.jpg
The main way realistic hair is done in video games
They take up a good chunk of the polycount
wouldnt this take less poly's then a modelled hair? 
Most of those examples are either quite old, or for PS3 and earlier gen consoles so they have to run well
i need optimized hair irl first xD
✂️
i can help with that
ohno

pain
paul have mercy 😢
Paul Sweeney, hairdresser.
My character has a lot of hair but I have a Rapunzel style braid to lower the bones and polys. I've experimented with more realistic hair/style overall but it's a long way before I switch from anime style.
xD

is there and artist out there that are open for cons
vrc internal error tf?
Hey I have a question
I just got vrchat, and I want to know how to change my avatar
I want to be Ugandan Knuckles
How do you do that
Let the meme die though.
NEVER
Wow.
U do not knoe da wae
Clearly.
Desktop or VR?
Wait... there's vrchat on desktop?
Yes?
Quest, I assume?
Lucky guess.
Nice
Guys
What
Press Y to open the Quick Menu then click on "Avatar".
I have the q2 and when i go on vr chat and go to avatars i cant look them up like eg trying to search up anime
Anyone know why
You have to search in the Worlds tab.
Do i?
Yes.
Why tho
Because avatars are found in worlds.
No guarantee you'll find Quest-compatible ones though, considering that world is very old.
Damn
hry
Quest is a lot more limited than PC when it comes to avatars.
can i play with someone
Hi
Rip
I hope I can find da wae
Best of luck.
Lol
So where's Uganda? xD
You search for it.
How
in your but and around the coner
Lmao
That saying is older than Queen Elizabeth
Sorry for asking so many questions, but how do you search for words?
Isn't their a Quest compatible Uganda world?
I sure hope so
I want to find da wae
bring up your menu in game and up the top right you click search ^^
I guess just search Uganda in worlds tab
Ok thx!
If I find da wae I'll show you guys da wae
@crisp scaffold please chill and go spam / meme elsewhere. 
I dont speak taco bell!!
Ah, sweet nostalgia lol

Ikr
Ok brb
have fun xD
Imma go look for the sacred land
i wanna play some vr chat
Then... play it?
esc
Ah ok
I'm on Quest
sup dog
I'm not saying it
fair enough
my user is ctoney69
@placid umbra i have to talk with you about something in DM
I don't think that's... how it works.
ah trust me, they're the official team. so they're maybe the developers
Doesn't matter.
xD
i need to report something
Why does it have to be in DM?
kinda
because i wanna report someone but i don't wanna that report be public here
Then use #moderation-reports...
but is a public channel
Oh, hi Aev.

can someone that knows how to use unity do me a (quick) favor
how does it serves bro ???
Have you never filled out a form before?
can someone help me attach a tv to the head of this player model im trying to make
--a--
i get to open one present tomorrow. ONE of those presents is a oculus quest 2 . i have to choose wisely or i have to suffer until Christmas ;-;
I mean, it's one more day so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
IRL Lootbox! xD
Tfw not getting presents.
but its so far its going to feel like 64 hours
Or if you really want it right now play it smart and look up the box dimensions
i feel like ik which one it is theres this box thats sharp looking and looks like the box. not to big not to small
@thick egret 16.4 x 7.6 x 5 inches
lol thanks
It look-a like a box.
how do you make your own world in vrchat?
click new instance or whatever it says there
no like make your own map
Requires a vast knowledge of Blender.
hmm
is vr chat available for mac yet?
No
Making a vrchat map doesn't require a vast knowledge of blender lol. Not only could it be any 3d software, but you could make plenty of simple beginner things right in unity with probuilder
isn't probuilder expensive? like 100s per year
Can make a cube in unity , drop vrcworld on it, there world done
ProBuilder is free, look in the Package Manager window of Unity
Probuilder + Progrids (handy) both free in unity
.
so is my audio popping off a new feature of this game?
i hear the menu but no people
Rare bug, seem to be something with video player (?) cause i keep getting that in rooms with them and people changing it
rare? i have had it 3 times in the last week
i had it once, it might be a side effect of the temporary solution to the master audio stutter
ah
cause the way my anxiety gets set off with that hehhh, thinking my headset is ded haha
How do I invite more than one person to my vrchat lobby
more friends?
yeah when I invite through discord it only allows one other
and im playing with two
ok thanks
anyone know a world with a bed that you can lay down flat on?
Earth
im sorry, im a dick today
Might wanna try the different worlds made for sleeping in VR.
One of them probably has that. 
Hey I was wondering, will the game ever be cross platform? Ex psvr, or is that not possible?
where would I ask about unity problems?
having bad issue with one of my models and unsure how to fix it, should be simple just stuck
Everyone vote for the nutcracker in 3D
Please
https://www.strawpoll.me/42337335
welp
Yo just got my new oculus quest 2 and kinda weird how when using vr chat it automatically muted and hides other users
for the love of god, my menu is startinng to crash me now, COME ON, I CAN'T EVEN LOAD DISCORD ANYMORE, this is getting really disappointing, and no, it isn't my stuff
did movie worlds get fixed yet?
Anyone here?
no
pain

Hey does anyone know where I can get this avatar or if anyone has it so I can copy it
If you have it dm me your username so I can add you and I can copy it
so confused rn.
I hate that avatar.
Ayee if I am on Steam Version of VRChat and my friend is on Quest 2 can we link up somehow?
Yes. There are cross compatible worlds
but how do I find him
Have to be in the same world.
but i cant like search him and add him directly?
You can.
how?
Social menu.
not seeing anything in social to add him
There's a search bar on the top right.
Would anyone know how to mess with your launch settings to force you to load into a Friends+ instance of your home world? Or would I just need to launch into it manually every time if I wanted this behavior?
You need to do it manually
https://thegreatpug.com/vrchat-link-generator/
You can use this link generator and then copy paste it into the steam launch settings
Oooh yeah. That site. I'll have to see if it'll pick this over whatever I have set as my home in-game. I'll have the same world set as my home anyway, but this way I could potentially end up in a "public" version of it at least some of the time.
Thanks again!
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Quick noob question because I never brought up the Action Menu outside of VR, how the heck do I bring it up on Desktop? 😅
Action Menu, regular menu I knew
yall where is a board i can post an avatar comission request or anyone know of good high end artist that make a lot of $ from that kinda thing?
o nvm
i see it
Does limit dynamic bone usage also limit our own dynamic bone usage?
i agree
Yes
cool thanks!
Does anyone here have a Pimax VR headset? Are they any good?
i havent heared much good about pimax
Okay. Do you recall what was not so great then?
1 day left until VRChat's Eternal September
@languid beacon wdym with that?
If anything it's potentially the second 'Eternal September'
I'm expecting a lot of new Quest users.
isnt usenet the thing to pirate a shitton of things form all over the internet?
These days that's a common use of it, back in the late 80s and early 90s it was more of a message board-like system.
But yeah, expect an increase in screaming unfunny kids in VRC from tomorrow onwards.
And don't forget that 13 is the minimum age to use VRChat and you can report users for violating the terms of service & community guidelines here http://help.vrchat.com/new
hmm
Is it possible to get hacked if you visit a world or equipp a character?
Yo how tg
Tf*
no
"prepare for unforeseen consequences"
Merry Christmas Everybody!
Does anyone know how to access Virtual Market 5 on Quest 2? When I search for it all I can find is the one event with the guitarist in 360 🤔
vket worlds are PC only because they are huge
Who wanna play?
Ah, makes sense. Thanks!
https://twitter.com/Virtual_Market_/status/1341995847509131264
there are quest venues scheduled to be open tomorrow
Awesome! Thanks.
At this rate of the GPU market I'll have to trash my 1070 and get a new one
It cost me like 600$ too
Oh well I'll just give the old one to one of my parents
is there a site or document that shows all the requirements for ranks?
no
to rank up you just have to play the game, make friends, visit worlds, upload avatars and worlds, etc
(just factors that help you rank up. you don't have to upload a world to rank up for example)
I was kinda bummed when I found out that not playing vrchat would cause your rank to go down..
it doesn't tho. Only things that reduce your rank are being blocked, muted or your avatar being hidden
or unfriended
oh yeah I forgot about that
I was trusted user. Then I stopped playing for a few months because avatars 3.0. When I checked recently, I’m now just new user- I don’t think anyone unfriended me but I might be wrong.
Trust ranks should be called profit making ranks because that's basically what you have to help do to climb them lol.
You make profit when you go up a rank?
^
ranks are pretty much meaningless. They only categorize players so you can set different safety settings for different ranks
I meant that you have to do stuff that helps VRC profit. Stuff that helps make it more popular, like adding friends and whatnot.
If trust were the primary factor, you'd not need to do all that.
Just my opinion though.
(and a bit of exaggeration)
Oh
the original idea of trust ranks was to have an easier difference between experienced and new players. And the longer you play, the more friends you have etc, the higher your rank is so people would see, "oh this guy has been playing vrc for a pretty long time", or "hey you're new to vrchat, let me show you around" (but that doesn't really happen)
😔man
I personally think mission creep happened to it, and now its a mess honestly.
I do hope they re-evaluate its purpose and effectiveness at some point in the future.
I agree
they're getting into the right direction with the new nameplates now. Before, each rank also had a differently colored nameplate so it was pretty easy to tell the rank. Now all nameplates have the same color and you have to open the menu to check the rank
I should not have been required to spam add friends to get above default rank. The hours alone, with no penalties on my account should have been enough IMO.
It'd be cool if they also took IP rep into account to make it harder for repeat offenders to rebuild rank by switching accounts.
There'd need to be a limit for how long "black marks" stay on an IP though.
the system is complex to avoid rank farming. the reason visitors can't upload is because before ranks were a thing, you could uplad whatever you wanted, and if it was against the rules and you got banned, you could create a new account and reupload within seconds
I know what the purpose of it is. I'm just saying that having to spam add friends even with tons of hours to rank up isn't a good system.
I'm all for gating off new users from uploading - for obvious reasons. I just don't like how they are doing it.
spamming friend requests doesnt help tho. I don't know how smart the system is, but apparently its smart enough to know when you're trying to spam anything that could potentionally rank you up, and when you legit play vrchat
Well, I didnt mean literally spam. I meant I had to add a few, and I did it in reasonable intervals.
I just don't think having friends added should be a hard-requirement is all
There's probably multiple factors and time likely also factors into it, despite everyone saying it doesn't
time is a factor, but lots of people think time is the only factor
Time is a factor, but time alone was never enough for me to get off of default
which is absurd IMO
and by time alone, I mean with meaningful interactions. not AFK
I heard that you need atleast 1 friend. One person told me that they played vrchat for a decent amount of time, and still didn't rank up, then added a friend and instantly ranked up
Maybe they're just encouraging people to friend each other until the system gets used enough that they don't need to encourage it artificially anymore.
Any action that improves your ranking probably has a soft threshold as limit and a hard threshold that negates the improvement
Except for VRChat+ hopefully because having a threshold on that would make it so only paid players can get to a certain trust rank.
and paying money does not make someone trustworthy
Actually it does
you can't turn meaningful interactions into a number
But it doesn't have to be a huge boost to your elo
so it's generic actions
It’s not a hard requirement
Well, it certainly took a horribly long time to rank up.
It usually comes around 8 to 9 hours, perhaps you were getting excessively blocked or muted? That resets everything as far as I can tell
Yeah you were definitely blocked
Same
wait, do people block you if your avatar isnt optimized?
Could just be someone who didn’t like your avatar, could happen to anyone
that might be it
You can actually auto-block badly optimized avatars, or just manually hide their avatar, both of which are considered neutral actions. But some people don’t know this and may block outright.
I thought that some newbies might not know and do a normal block instead, that's what I'm thinking
I used a lot of heavy avatars
It’s possible yes
Can blocking get me below my current rank though?
The quickest way to annoy people is avatars with audio, a lot of movies don’t localize their sounds so the whole map hears it
I didn't use those
and ik because I've blocked people for obnoxious avatar spam
One person had effects that blinded me and I'm like NOPE.
I also have expressions or whatever disabled so that I don't accidentally trigger anything built uinto my avatar.
Yes, you can drop rank and even if negative below visitor. Go far enough negative and you drop from Visitor to Nuisance
Oh well, at least that means I've been a net positive, albeit very slowly
I never dropped any rank.
Fairly sure ytou can drop into the nuisance rank without going to visitor first
I've heard that too
I'd imagine getting a temp ban might cause that
if bans don't affect your rep, that'd be silly IMO
Nuisence is a bit of a shadowban, the entire game has your avatar hidden and voice muted by default, every single person has to choose to remove both.
So, how would one get out of it lol?
wait for it to go away perhaps
ngl, i could see how some people could deserve that
you get a low level trust increase just from playing and not getting blocked
even if nobody else is in a world/instance?
I don't thing being alone or idling helps
but no one knows the details
They don't explain how the system works to avoid gaming it
Ok so I should probably find an avatar that won't likely get blocked for when I play again.
I had a friend that dropped to Nuisance actually-
but yes you can fall from high ranks back to New User or Visitor which sounds silly because they indicate you are new to the game
There should be a separate name for those users IMO
however there's no trust cap so most people are so deep into Trusted Purple they'll never fall from it even if they are jerks
it's not the best system that's why they made the ranks less prominent when they redesigned nametags
Hopefully, they'll work out some of the kinks eventually
It takes actual effort to get into that rank so im fairly impressed
sucks that you had to wait so long to get upload rights
They must have been going around being an active troll to get that
yeah well, he swears a lot and being a bully so that happened
I got known at 152 and trusted at 302. but it's really not exclusively time based. there's a lot of other things that boost it
Well being a constant asshole does make it easy to get that rank yea
I wonder if the Sonic Skins and maps are free to use
I try to avoid doing things to others that I'd not like them doing to me, so that's probably why I'm NOT nuisance rank.
I got the orange rank at like 130 hours and purple at just about 180 
Might be a bit higher though but not by a lot
did you upload any content @umbral reef
Sega typically is VERY lax about their IP. Doesn't mean it's free to use, but they are usually just the opposite of Nintendo. They have collaborated with VRChat multiple times
Opposite of Nintendo would be ZUN actually. The creator of Touhou.
Soooo is it free or not
Free? All public avatars are free
I uploaded avatars before the trust system mainly, uploaded one after the system got added.
When the trust system got implemented i not even the orange rank (got it within a few hours though)
I've seen ones that you have to pay to get a large ugly watermark removed
Also never uploaded worlds and all my uploaded avatars are set to private so
true, but they're still free! can't pay for any avatars in-game
cuz, I've got to Known User right after I uploaded an avatar (200 hours, 100 friends)
what people do to obtain avatars outside of the game isn't technically part of the game lol
Not yet, but that'd be a neat feature for vket-like conventions
yeah that's gonna be interesting
I gotta try to get a Sonic Avatar
I like the idea of compensating a good 3D modeler for their work so long as it is original work and not a ripped model.
and now I'm a Trusted User right after I bought VRC+
VRChat's having a hard time pleasing everyone.
User Group A: VRC+ Subscriptions make me worried, I hope they don't eventually do paywalled avatars...
User Group B: Please support content creators and let us sell our avatars in-game!
Good work is expensive. There's a reason why all the cheap work being done is cheap....it's all rips and piracy
Exactly why I like the idea of being able to pay for higher quality.
Good work takes a lot more time and energy than poor work does.
and almost nobody does truly good work for free
High quallity has a really high price tag though
Models that go into the 100s range are still relatively cheap and often just high end kitbashes instead of OC
another friend of my have played for a year and he's still a User 🤔
High price tag is often from a limited market. Having a system in VRC could open that market and make it cheaper
i find scratch models can go on the cheaper side if you just request it be unrigged t-pose and the weight painting is done yourself. No one likes to weight paint, that's where most of the labor cost comes in
Just my theory on it
Well no the price tag is because it takes a shit ton of time and work
yes, and weight painting is the majority of the shit ton of time and work
how hard is it to get VRoid models into VRC?
Haven't tried, I know people ask here constantly though
I like the outside system. There's really no benefit to it being in game, it's more hassle for vrc and the creators.
There for sure needs to be a system to upload an avatar on someone else there account though.
I'd love a system for someone to buy my upload and have it transferred directly to their account, personally.
would be cheaper than buying out of game since it wouldn't necessarily include a harddrive copy for modding
took me like a few hours, there's some tutorial on YT
extremely easy if you don't have a tail. You just download univrm and drop it straight into the project, add the vrc descriptor and you're done. about 10 minutes
my avatar is a vroid
You almost had me fooled L&DM, i was here thinking you where a human like all of us and not just an online vroid
okay so i know pc avatars don’t work on quest, but i’m making one for pc as i’m getting link tommorow, so will the avatar still show in the section but not be able to wear until i use link?
im in need of some help im looking for a kermit but its like a short and chubby kermit and i cant find it i lost it when merging i need help
your favs come back wait up to 24 hours
nooo, unity’s stuck on 3449 out of 3456 shaders compiled, and the bar is frozen.
now the window went up and is no at 58 out of 624. 🙃
if it's a Quest only avatar, PC won't be able to see it
it'll stay on your favorites, but won't be able to use it
hey im trying to test out a few new shaders to see which will hold up best in worlds that have total garbage lighting. does anyone know of any particularly bad worlds? it needs to be on pc btw.
neat. hope it turns out well someday! but thankfully it will make a good testing environment hopefully.
if you want one with really good lighting look for the obelisk
those rocks are ace
also good to know
it’s a pc only one and it didn’t show up on my quest avatars so i’m going to load it up on my pc, if it doesn’t crash. 🙃
i know it won’t show on my quest as in seeing it as a non robot.
as in just showing in “your creations”.
what do the 4 random numbers/letters mean after someone's username?
that means they are a steam user without a vrchat account
When you use a steam (idk about oculus/viveport) account you get those 4 things added to your name because on steam you can have the same name as someone else
It's random salt added to a name to avoid the fact that Oculus/Steam/Viveport users have their own namespace, avoids duplicate names. You can remove it by making a actual VRChat account, they don't have them.
Anyone who upgrades to a VRChat account gets to pick a new name, though their same name without the salt might be taken already.
never heard it referred to as "the salt" before
"Salt" is usually used in terms of added random extra bit added to a hash for cryptography.
But i can see that you could try to title this that way, but it's really more a random extension for visual uniqueness here 
hmm neat
Salt as the way I learned it was extra characters added to anything to force uniqueness. Unique hashes for cryptography are just one use of salting, it also applies to seeds in procedural generation
Technically could apply to discord handles, though they call it a discriminator
You can get a custom discriminator too, like mine being 9999.
I would but I’ve already memorized my number and I don’t want to change it everywhere on social profiles
9999 is great because I'll never forget it lol
The thing is if you stop paying for nitro they will randomize it
Yes as soon as you stop they randomize it again
makes sense, as I think its Nitro only
I pay for nitro, but just keep my number so it won’t change when I stop
Is there a way to fix the white screen when watching videos? I've been having a lot of trouble on it for awhile so I don't know if there's any real solution.
Same, finally memorized it. Will never change it.
Yay I chose right and now I’m setting my vr up
0001 ftw.
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hi
Merry Christmas Eve ^^
does anyone know where to find simple girl avatars that dont have furry tails and flashy graphics?
question for you guys....What should I be getting for a framerate in VR chat?
depends if you are using VR and then the specs of your rig
Also on how many people are in the instance and how good or badly optimized the avatars are
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor 3.79 GHz
PC specs = spamming apparently lmao
64 GB Ram
RTX 2070 Super
with VR?
I'd say around 30-40ish in a decently filled instance with VR.
any way to increase it? I get around 60 -70 in a lighlty filled instance and it increases as I move away from others
40ish is what I get in a filled instance in VR with my Radeon RX 5700XT and Ryzen 7 3700X
Lightly filled, I get about 100 to 120 FPS
(I have a Valve Index, set to 120 Hz)
Quest adds an API layer on top too so you lose some performance from that
Oh right, do you play on steam or the oculus home version
I used to use a Quest 1 via Link with VRChat. Upgraded to an Index, saw better performance
Steam
try using the oculus home version instead of steam, that can give you a performance gain 
Play the Oculus version for better performance I'd think
I use a Wifi 6 router with Virtual Desktop
@primal pollen Hold left alt when launching VRC and set the quality option to "DesktopLow"
You wont notice much of a difference aside from some objects occluding in your fov but it improves performance a bit
Still might help to use your headset's native API
yeah Steam is just better......for Avatars and such
Steam and Oculus Home (on PC) are identical in terms of what the game can do
Also go into your GPU's control panel settings and set VR Pre rendered frames to the max value
And finally if that isnt enough, drop your res
Nvidia Control Panel?
Yep
Tho, wireless with Virtual Desktop is definitely even more performance impact BUT well you have a wireless solution, which is fantastic. 
but i think my pc is plenty capable no?>
Welcome to VRC
Where most the player base eats up your frame timing with poor avatars
yes, but VRChat itself can be laggy even on top end hardware sometimes
yea true
I set my thing to not render avatars worse than medium performance
lazy user made content with ridiculusly bad not great optimizations in many cases.
my FPS went way up
Not to mention, VRC uses only forward rendering as well which sort of adds to the problem in worlds with lights without layers configured
Yeah I have it set to Medium as well
deferred sux
I don't believe that most "poor" or "very poor" avatars are bad
differed is an option, not a end all be all.
I see this: Virual Reality Pre Rendered Frames: 1
Some scenes will do better with forward rendering
poor, arguable, very poor... in most cases are lazily badly optimized 
The problem is that the system doesn't discriminate between 80K polygon "very poor" models and 2000K polygon "very poor" models.
Or between 40 material "very poor" models and 500 material "very poor" models
@primal pollen Should be able to set that to 4
okay I will and what does it do specifically?
That seems to help with my performance a bit
It adds the amount of frames the cpu prepares before being sent to the gpu I believe.
both is a lot and over the top. If you can't fit your avatar, be it ever so complex into 70k then i dunno 
Also, the "dynamic bone" filter is broken. If you set custom limits, say, "1000 dynamic bones" it will still check for the detault of like 50. The custom value is not applied
And that is with extra's toggleable layers and props.
I just know that when my FPS drops a lot and I am moving I tend to get motion sickness
It's not "very poor" avatars which is lagging everyone, it's those who are above "very poor" by 10 or 20 times
lag bomb alert
I am waiting on my Valve Index to arrive hopefully it will be better than my Quest 2
by 10 times one might even think about malicious stats on some of the points. 
You can also find "excellent" avatar which lag, it's the kind of shaders that get laggier the closer you are (I forgot what they're called, vert? frag?) or those with realistic fire or lots of transparent objects
I heard the resolution sucks tho
that's excessive
excessive is not the word
That is even over the term "Malicious avatar"
ridiculous lol
How big was the model file 
Distance based tessellation is the term you are looking for @tacit plank
It was funny though. It's that one which goes "Oreo" and then repeats random bits like "orererererereooooooooo" while appending fitting meshes
I do notice while playing VR chat that the CPU is working more than my GPU is that normal or?
So that's it, thanks!
ye 😄
https://i.redd.it/kqibcu69xm721.jpg seen this? The 9M poly model was an animation which went through them
It made quite a lot of big meshes..
I do notice while playing VR chat that the CPU is working more than my GPU is that normal or?
Yes
ok
Depends. In words made in Unity rather than Blender, you'll have a ton of objects, say, 2000
The opposite is something like 20 objects with 4K and 8K maps
That is a grossly inaccurate statement.
The tools used to make worlds in VRC are not tied to performance at all.
People working in Unity can't combine objects, so they end up with a ton of them, which means a lot of drawcalls.
Worlds made in Blender usually use fewer drawcalls, but still contain a lot of pixels and thus require GPU work
They actually can combine objects.
Actually yes there is way to combine
I dont know what you are saying since there are tools to bake and merge meshes in Unity.
Just like there is ways not to combine in blender 
Maybe with some fancy tool from the Unity market place, but it's not the norm
I wish we could set our limits our selfs, based on avatar stats
Tho, some people think just throwing together something with probuilder visually is how it's done.
While that's what you might do for prototyping, but not actual releasing
At least not as is
While some people build worlds out of 100s of Unity cubes, the more normal way is to use Unity prefabs like the ferris wheel. I think it had almost 1000 parts? You'll find it in multiple public worlds
@amber juniper You can
Probuilder does have some ways to optimize thigns aswell, but you gotta use them.
I hope you don't mean something which is against rule nr. 18
Thanks Paul, beat me to it. 🙏
Thats crazy that people think i would do something like that lol.
I'm kinda honored I guess? xD
But yeah, i'm pretty straight-edge when it comes to rules. Would be a massive waste to get banned for dumb stuff since VRC lets me distract myself with creative stuff.
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why doesn't the game show you that you are getting vote kicked?
It never does.
cause I am just minding my own business and then suddenly, I see that I get kicked.
Hii I am opening my quest and am probs gonna pair and charge it
I've always assumed you're not supposed to know that you're being vote kicked.
What happened to the events chat?
removed
Did something happen?
I keep having hiccups while trying to finish this avatar its driving me nuts
Drink some water. 
ayo whats that wolf from that anime, its an avatar i saw the other day

more details, there's like, a thousand.
i drink more water than there is in the ocean
kinda got distracted by how thicc the dude was tbh
but thats like the prominent features i have to go off
Are you thinking of Brand New Animal?
ooh BNA
Uh...
he was grey
black stripes on eyes?
no
then idk : P
just to make sure its definitely not this guy right https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/brand-new-animal/images/1/15/Beast_Ogami.png/revision/latest?cb=20200311024438
similar but no
I like the coat.
oh i think i saw it like 2m ago
pretty slender
yeah im at a lost i dont know many anime wolf boys
Where'd you see it?
yeah im tryna find someone that has it
da hub
at the blackcat bar the other day
again to reiterate, tall grey wolf dude, school outfit, hella thicc
Yeah that's Legosi from Beastars, you might find it here.
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_0571ff8f-07b9-417a-9eb3-fb0f31014746
Generally if you search "Beastars" in the world menu you'll probably find it or similar
ah yeah i think a friend of mine rocks the bunny or whoever and i was meaning to figure out wtf the wolf was
thanks
Welcome
okay why vr chat keep crash
VRC seems to be having trouble keeping up with the influx of new users.
It's to be expected.
🎄🎉 Joyeux Noël !! 🎉🎄
Think there's a possibility of custom world share links with VRC+? 😏
are you actually getting kicked by people or just disconnecting from instances?
Actually kicked
some guy said, "let's vote kick him," and I knew I was gone after that.
gotta be honest though, I am really talkative.
There must be something you're doing.
Merry Christmas
Night
Having this issue as well
Ay yo merry Christmas
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what's the best full body tracking method for vrchat using an index?
i dunno maybe kinect, didn't know if it was better XD
oh that is terrible lol
vive trackers work with the base stations


