#vrchat-general-2

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maiden mirage
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you didnt answer my question knark

languid beacon
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As someone who uses content that would not normally be allowed in VRChat, but had personal permission, I get that a lot. I’ve been “told on” many times only for them to be told I’ve been given permission lol

tacit plank
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Then it's not VRChat-related assets

umbral reef
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They do if they are worth any of your money tho really

vocal shard
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This makes me want to wear some red optimized avatars.

honest forge
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bro, i just use the autodesk generator until it looks good

tacit plank
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VRC items are high-quality and most of them are sold on booth

maiden mirage
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@tacit plank knark

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are you going to play today

vocal shard
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grabbing myself a rift s today for vrchat!

umbral reef
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And the company or people you work for find that alright?
Because i cant expect you to have high end clients then

sharp saddle
vocal shard
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big pog

sharp saddle
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That was a mistake.

tacit plank
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Basically anything you get from third party vebsites like MMDA has no business being there, it was stolen

maiden mirage
tacit plank
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I'm not sure when I'll play yet, it depends on my friends

vocal shard
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i cant wait lmao

tacit plank
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Adeon you might have permission to use items, but can you legally sell your VRC models and worlds, as every single asset you've used allows free unlimited redestribution?

vocal shard
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You could just use standard shaders, learn how to model or use a free base. As for the different scripts, those can be generated when they are ported in. You can make excellent rated avatars without having to pay for anything and sell them for a decent amount.

tacit plank
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And can the people that you re-destribute to also do the same? I really doubt this applies to even one of your things, unless it's entirely made by yourself

languid beacon
vocal shard
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Its when you want to do cool partical systems, animations and crazy stuff things get complicated.

tacit plank
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But most VRChat worlds use booth assets and MMD scenes, it's not original content and when it is, people want to get credited

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99% of things can not legally be sold or redestributed

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And hell, 80% of VRC worlds contain stolen assets given by friends

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Yes I do, I have worlds too

languid beacon
vocal shard
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You need to understand L&DM would have to make a decent amount of money first. Enough to sue for. Second, a business will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt they lost revenue due to L&DM's selling of their copyrighted material

tacit plank
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Most assets are stolen, this is fact. Model creators who make a living have to actually make an income to make things work out, this is fact too. Giving away the right to re-describute and re-sell is downright stupid, and even then it's a rarity to allow re-selling as well

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It's so basic and obvious

vocal shard
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Then the material in question would have to determined in court if it is exactly as copyrighted

tacit plank
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Exactly. And even in the world of professionals, you need money

languid beacon
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TLDR: if you are not the content owner, you cannot know that someone else is not using their content without permission, nor should you have a reason to care, but if you do, notify the owner for them to deal with. No one can do anything with your concerns, nor should they.

tacit plank
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Very will allow you to buy a 3D model of a car for 100$, and claim it as your own and sell it for 80$ on your website, and it's certainly not a majority

vocal shard
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What I said earlier, I was not trolling. If your a professional and work in a studio with access to everything you need to make VRC avatars and charge people, don't tell people..

tacit plank
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No one can do anything with your concerns, nor should they.

This is extremely lazy and also unethical

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I'm not allowed to link to sites that steal avatar assets, right? This is for a good reason

shut urchin
umbral reef
languid beacon
vocal shard
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You might not get sued but you could loose your job which is worse.

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So yeah, don't tell people your a professional and work in a studio with 10k+ assets.

tacit plank
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I made a type before, I meant "Very few will"

sharp saddle
tacit plank
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Ultimately you need to make money

shut urchin
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@sharp saddle pass the popcorn bro?

tacit plank
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And that's difficult to do if you sell something once and some asshole then gives it away for free to everyone he meets

languid beacon
vocal shard
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If your an avatar creator and you amassed a collection of assets which you have determined to not be an issue thats different

tacit plank
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Which could happen for comissions, but not for booth things

vocal shard
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Are you doing it on company time, are you using company equipment, company lisences etc

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Thats when things get complicating so its best to never mention it.

tacit plank
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If you make it with company tools on company time at your company, chances are that they legally own it

vocal shard
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Dingdingdging lol

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Loose your job and get sued

hoary cradle
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When are they releasing arm movement for pc

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When are they releasing arm movement for pc

umbral reef
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Oh no wait its 2078 now as you asked twice sorry

vocal shard
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I'm sure your being smart about it but people going around holding small creators to a business standard is Ludacris

tacit plank
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Most people in VRC are fairly small, just barely making a living

vocal shard
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I'll hold a business to a certain standard but not some world builder who doesn't know how to fix their videoplayers

languid beacon
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I know a few experienced digital content creators who are eyeing up VRChat some even testing the waters already under alts

tacit plank
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I'm sure they don't spend 3 weeks working from 8am to 10pm just to sell a single avatar and have the rest uploaded to VRCM (you know what site I mean) and given away for free, or edited by some edgy teenager with no legitimate Blender or Unity skills and then re-sold

maiden mirage
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no one cares

tacit plank
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90% of vrc is basically MMD worlds from Deviantart, which were probably ripped from games or something

vocal shard
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So what i was saying earlier by using obscure names it sloes the process down but it doesn't stop them from reuploading with a new ID

umbral reef
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All my avatars have disney music included vrcChicken
That way if i see them get stolen i report it to disney so they get VRC to take it down for me

maiden mirage
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thats not how that works

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you would also be violating whatever you want to report someone for

vocal shard
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All you can do is that they are too lazy to even change the avatar picture.

frosty veldt
vocal shard
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And just report it when you see it.

umbral reef
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@maiden mirage Disney cant fight me if they dont know im breaking the law 👀
Also im joking ofc

tacit plank
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Can they change the avatar picture?

maiden mirage
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hey disney someone is using my VRChat avatar with disney music on it!

vocal shard
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Yes but thats more effort.

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You have to understand how low effort these people are.

tacit plank
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As far as I know, most ripping-methods break the avatar somewhat, unless they just reupload the package URL directly after downloading it

vocal shard
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Well you can use really obscure shaders.

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But that creates other issues

tacit plank
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Ripping shaders is basically impossible because they're compiled into something else

vocal shard
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Exactly but whom ever got you those shaders owns you

tacit plank
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Same for triggers in worlds - they break
Unless there's better tools which I haven't heard about.

languid beacon
vocal shard
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When those shaders break its a big issue

tacit plank
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True, but as of right now, it's safe

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Because the tools are imperfect, and script-kiddies are incompetent

languid beacon
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Don’t act like it’s safe.

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If you aren’t ok with your content being downloaded, don’t upload it.

vocal shard
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Standard shaders are fine. What you need to do is make the avatar crash unity if it is ever brought back. XD

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I will not explain how this is done.

tacit plank
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I could do that

vocal shard
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Crashing unity is actually more simple than making a cool partical trick.

tacit plank
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Rotate the camera away, Make a shader that crashes you if you look at it in Unity. Upload, change the shader back, and save.
It would need to be something which is harmless in-game, so you'd need a difference between unity's rendering and VRCs rendering

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There's probably a much better way for this too. Give me a minute and I will think up another, lmao

languid beacon
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If you were so afraid of someone else possibly downloading your content that you have to do stuff like this, it would be better to just not upload it in the first place.

vocal shard
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Yeah its best to just use something to cover it while editing.

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XD

rotund bluff
tacit plank
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I don't disagree, but if I want to upload it and punish rippers, then it would wouldn't be too difficult

vocal shard
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Lol they would have to load it into like a containment box and slowly take it apart and delete portions of the avatar

tacit plank
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could make a shapekey that crashes you if it's on 0, then put it on 100 with the animation and upload it. This would work if Unity defaults to 0 for those values, which it might

vocal shard
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Its beautiful if done correctly.

lavish kernel
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Hey all.
Anyone know where one could find that Among Us Astronaut avatar base? the RTX Enabled one

tacit plank
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CATS has protection too, but it's laggy and not 100% safe

vocal shard
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Just do the ripping protections after optimization

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Or you will basically undo what your trying to achieve

languid beacon
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How to avoid being annoyed by piracy and enjoy VRC in four simple worlds: “Stop caring about piracy”

tacit plank
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It messes with the verticies I've heard, so it has to calculate for the entire body when only the mouth moves? Or maybe it's only an issue if you use the re-calculate import settings? Don't remember the details but I've heard about it a few times

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Easy for you to give up since your life isn't treatened by it

languid beacon
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If someone wants to be my avatars, there is something wrong with them anyway.

vocal shard
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I gave this guy a self crasher to take apart in unity. He said it took him 3 days to figure out what was going on. He finally said that after deleting all the trash that appears in unity he mine as well made it himself.

tacit plank
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Some of the Booth creators will starve if they don't make enough sales

frosty veldt
vocal shard
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But that example is unreasonable

languid beacon
vocal shard
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To do that on every client's avatar would be impossible.

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Again it only slows people down enough to make them give up. It doesn't outright prevent.

tacit plank
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Why do you assume that I'm guessing and that you know what you're talking about? I'm friends with like 10 people who make avatars for VKet

languid beacon
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Yeah almost everything I make is kit-bashed together. I buy everything I source

vocal shard
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@rotund bluff you should make an asset for your avatars that cause memory leak in unity but not VRC. Then you can reuse. 99% of rippers give up if they can't just push buttons

maiden mirage
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rip an ass

languid beacon
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I’ve been doing this for literal decades. I have huge library of 3D assets I have licenses for. This is normal.

grizzled narwhal
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Hey guys do u know where is the best place to buy a quest 2?

maiden mirage
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oculus' website

tacit plank
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"You are severely under estimating how many people in the industry are willing to pay for assets"

This also seems to contradict your other points

grizzled narwhal
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Oh ok thank u very much!

tacit plank
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I'm saying that creators don't want their things re-destributed for free

vocal shard
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I have a bunch of autoCAD and rivet projects.

cerulean folio
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sorry for ping forgot to disable

tacit plank
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Which means putting up a website with 10000 free assets would cause problems for somebody

vocal shard
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Somebody out there can rip some shitty waterpipe design for sprinkler system

rotund bluff
vocal shard
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Please. I made sure the pressures would be equal in the case of fire.

tacit plank
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To begin with it's hard to confirm if the "free assets" that you have weren't stolen to begin with. This is probably more rare for professionals, but in VRC it's the norm

vocal shard
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XD

tacit plank
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I see, thought so

grizzled narwhal
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Does anyone know where can I get minecraft vr and those minecraft vr work on quest 2?

vocal shard
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Litterally nothing creative is in that project as building codes and budget determined 100% of the design.

cerulean folio
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there are plenty of people who create assets on professional websites and offer them free of charge

tacit plank
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That should be called "Vivecraft", conquest

grizzled narwhal
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Oh ok, so sorry about that I'm just new here

cerulean folio
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unless u use pc

vocal shard
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What would get me in trouble is if current draft projects got out before the client rep sees. Basically somebody would have to intentionally make my life difficult and risk going to prison. Ripping is not an issue in heavy industry.

tacit plank
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Plently? I know of like 5 sites and they mix free and pricy assets. Please link these huge collections of free, professional stuff that I can just do whatever I want with legally

cerulean folio
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yeah you go to any large asset site and u sort by free it’s not that hard

vocal shard
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Artists make things personal for themselves because it kind of is.

languid beacon
tacit plank
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The whole thing started with VRC in mind

vocal shard
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Industrial design requires someone being paid to even look at them

tacit plank
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So you agree with me? Lol

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That was one of my points

maiden mirage
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no arguing

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we can all be friends

cerulean folio
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hm

vocal shard
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I work with a group of techs but my job mostly involves operating cycle conditions and getting the numbers

grave mirage
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Hi

vocal shard
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Then its deciding on the primary movers, schedule of pipes, valves etc.

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Then it is all modeled

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Someone stealing those models I pity them

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God they are boring.

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The best part is I even tried converting an old autocad project into something I could load into vrc but I couldn't reasonably compress it.

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Its basically useless outside of its single purpose

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My interest in unity is to use the game engine as a client troubleshooter for their system

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Basically a training aid

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Realized I was wasting my time and kept playing vrc.

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Lol

frosty veldt
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Only way to get CAD into unity is probably some shitty STL or OBJ

vocal shard
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I worked in oil and gas. Now im at a power utility company and do sub contracting work on the side.

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Thinking of going back to school though.

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Either for VR/AR or mechatronics.

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There are PD courses available in my city.

languid beacon
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People keep saying streamers bring people into VRChat for the wrong reasons... won’t someone who enjoys VRChat stay regardless of the reason they joined? If they don’t like what they see, they’ll just leave. Any traffic is good traffic.

tacit plank
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"If they don’t like what they see, they’ll just leave" or complain loudly online

sharp saddle
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What sparked this debate, tbh?

languid beacon
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Boredom of current topic.

sharp saddle
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Interesting.

maiden mirage
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caffeine did

vocal shard
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My family does micro grid projects up north. Otherwise I don't even know how one would study for the same experiance

languid beacon
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Oh, yeah the whole licensing thing was caffeine seeing models being distributed in game that normally cost money on booth

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Turned into a whole discussion of people can be given private licenses and yes those licensing can be any sort of crazy setup you can’t assume anything. That’s why only the copyright owner can file a DMCA

vocal shard
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Like you just need to know what is cheaper and where it is cheaper. Then be able to look at a project and play mousetrap

vocal shard
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Remove anything that doesn't interfere with function of said mouse trap

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Now you have plans for an industrial asset lol

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HVAC/Fire saftey system design is a decent program offered just about anywhere

queen adder
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yall guess what

vocal shard
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Costs about a quarter of what a degree would and pays 80-120k base.

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Just saying like no child says thats what they want to be when they grow up

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Its actually impossible to find people who have done these niche things though

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Like we have been hiring for 2 years and still need someone

maiden mirage
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imagine pursuing biology and end up drawing wood

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I'm still not quite sure what that means

vocal shard
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Many of the grads that we need from that program had their companies pay for it.

maiden mirage
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thats a better description than saying drawing wood

vocal shard
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In my early 20s I spent most of it living in hotels/motels and helicopter work.

maiden mirage
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I am 20, should I start helicopter work?

vocal shard
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I have no idea where I'll be in 5 years

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If I could do it over again I'd be a pilot

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Those guys live pretty sick lives

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Not having to work in terrible conditions, clipping packages or work more than 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the evening to come pick us up.

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Making like a day rate of 400-600

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Yeah be a heli-pilot if you want it looks really gravy

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You might be limited to living near oil rigs or where there's no road access though

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So you might want to factor that in too

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Exactly why I am learning more unity/blender and other tools. Even more code.

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I'm sick of not being able to work remotely.

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By government regulation, I cannot log into our plant system and fix an error or shutdown a process. Also someone qualified must be on site 24/7 monitoring the operation

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So I have long 10+hr shifts with nothing to do.

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If I work on anything that could make me money on company time I could get in trouble.

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Believe me I have thought about all these things.

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Thats what I did. I have learned everything I need for VRC from like 2-3 different creators lol

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Then I went around joining discords and a patron or two and got the tools I needed

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Now im actually producing straight trash

languid beacon
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Skillshare and Udemy. Seriously their tutorials are 10/10

crimson apex
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Wow I find it funny that my world got tagged with a report for avatar performance when I literally just put out an update saying I'm upgrading almost all my avatars for performance lol

languid beacon
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Bingewatch udemy instead of Netflix and suddenly you can 3D model

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Price is about the same...

vocal shard
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Might check it out. I just wanted to make my trash wolfboi work with haptics

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XD

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At some point I'm going to start a new model in blender and actually care about Quest standards.

languid beacon
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Build quest version first, then add detail for pc

vocal shard
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But the free base i used was in no way ready for quest

languid beacon
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Don’t use one.

vocal shard
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Also the shaders etc

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But im too noob to model my own in blender

languid beacon
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Build it from scratch. Learn how. It’s very rewarding.

vocal shard
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Not exactly experienced drawing wolf humans

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Its the proportions like I have to use symmetry

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Then I keep playing with it and idk i need something next to it to look at

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I just watched a meme video on making an avatar from scratch that finally made me attempt it

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Realized its more than just rotating the camera like the more I stare at something the worse it looks.

languid beacon
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Working with existing models is harder than just dropping the lines out yourself.

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Especially working with other people’s already-triangulated models, that’s just hell

hasty oasis
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hey question can you use the Prone animation while floating like when people use full body?

frosty veldt
languid beacon
frosty veldt
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Yeah tris to quads leaves some shit that needs to be manually fixed, but making it yourself will always be cleaner obv

languid beacon
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And then I spend an hour rotating edges

vocal shard
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I didn't like vroid

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Once I had it open in blender I just wanted to restart.

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I found making hair without just doing exactly what everyone else does looks weird.

languid beacon
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It’s amazing how low poly stuff is when you make it yourself. Everyone besides you specifically is super wasteful

vocal shard
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I'm pretty sure there has to be a better way. You have to decide right there whether you want this to be good performance or not.

mellow palm
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weird

vocal shard
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In blender you can model the strands and layer in a way to hide things.

mellow palm
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First time playing since the update and I cant access my favourite avatars

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I click on expand but nothin happens

vocal shard
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In Vroid your basically just covering the same polygon strands with more of the same.

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Idk if that made sense. You can tweak them individually to make them lower poly but at some point I think its just worth it to draw your own.

maiden mirage
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This technical talk sounds like it has its own channel

vocal shard
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Again much more easy to use a free base model with hair and then focus on simple cut changes and shading

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Idk I'm too new just played around in vroid but too trash to use blender properly.

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Anyways time to go to work.

languid beacon
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I think it’s better and far more rewarding to learn how to model hair

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Then you get to make exactly what you want, instead of looking for something that is coincidentally halfway sort of like what you wanted

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And anime hair is cake it’s just cones curved with the proportional editor

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Modeling in my opinion is way easier than 2D art. You just keep moving it until it looks right. Rather than 2D art where you have to keep undoing and drawing the same line. With 3D it’s just nudging until it’s good

rotund bluff
autumn stag
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Hello! im new

crimson apex
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Howdy

vocal shard
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Are there any streamers who actually show the boring stuff like their file organization etc

languid beacon
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¿Que?

vocal shard
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Cause my desktop is a mess of file conversions etc

languid beacon
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Oh everything not-unity gets deleted the moment it’s in unity

vocal shard
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Or just saved things. I need to organize it all like other people have done.

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Consumed by the cube.

languid beacon
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The only exception is I save my .blend files

vocal shard
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And forgotten if not saved.

languid beacon
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No reason to keep source models and zips around

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Blender stores all that on a single file

vocal shard
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I was thinking of just having a folder properly labeled with things i use that I copy from and paste into another folder which that one would be imported.

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Like this is how basic I am. It is just a mess currently

languid beacon
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Easier to copy and paste blender objects from one project to a another instead of constant importing and exporting

vocal shard
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I treat my desktop like purgatory

languid beacon
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Blender has “scenes” in the same way unity does, you can theoretically do everything with one blend file just like you have your entire collection of avatars in a single unity project, each just had its own scene

vocal shard
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Yeah but I want to have saved versions along the process

languid beacon
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People... make entire games with unity, and entire movies, with blender

vocal shard
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In case i want to experiment or test something

languid beacon
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You can set blender to save your (X) last saves

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No need to duplicate files on your own

vocal shard
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Really?

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I didn't know this. Same for unity?

languid beacon
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Unity doubt

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Blender yes

vocal shard
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I just save before I close or want to try something

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I'm newer to blender. So you can have it save a new file every time you push save or does it replace the old save.

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Cause currently I use save as and end up with stuff I group together and trash later or things to go back to but its messy.

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It would be nice if I try ctrl+s or whatever and in the project it has all the different times I pressed ctrl+s

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I wish I had my computer infront of me, now I want to organize it and find the hot key in blender

north willow
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Hay are you guys make money off the vrc plus thingy

maiden mirage
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what even is that question

polar ingot
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Hey Guys 😊
I am looking for some people to hang out with (playing some social games or just sit and talk together)
About myself:
I am a shy person and really calm (extremely introverted). For me it is important to just have somebody i can talk with about problems/weird stuff etc. and practicing my english skills (i am from germany) and even maybe helping each other. Just PM me via Discord
If this is the wrong Channel or it is not allowed to post such kind of posts I am really really sorry ☹

vocal shard
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My trash bin is more organized than my desktop.

real saffron
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bruh im tryna play vrchat and its lagging so bad its not even funny no matter what lobby im in it caps me at 11 fps no matter what and its never done this

lean laurel
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h

vocal shard
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Thats somebody's poorly optimized avatar. Adjust your safety settings

crimson apex
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Should probably set it to only show medium or poor avatars at most

vocal shard
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Anyone know any chill popular servers that are not flooded with 11 year olds?

sharp saddle
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Depends. Quest or PC?

autumn stag
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I’m trans mtf, so I use a female avatar in game, but I sound like a guy so I’m embarrassed about my voice and everyone thinks I’m a trap. Should I try a voicechanger?

grand rampart
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my friend found someone in vrchat naked and if I trust the rules it's forbidden

autumn stag
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😳

sharp saddle
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There's plenty of mtf women on VRC that use their natural voices.

autumn stag
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I mean I would just explain I’m trans but I haven’t come out to my family and I’m paranoid they’ll hear me say it lol

maiden mirage
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If you don't feel comfortable saying no need to. Who cares what people think about your voice lol

sharp saddle
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Refer to yourself as T.

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That way, you can make it subtly known.

autumn stag
coarse hornet
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And like if you're in a world with pencils you can write it more than saying it 😄

maiden mirage
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Ice T

sharp saddle
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Like... tell people you're "T", which will be code for trans without your parents eavesdropping.

maiden mirage
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Artemus gotchu with the slang

autumn stag
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Beeg brain

placid oxide
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hi

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i spent a long time on making an avatar and then it tells me that i need to play the game more

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) :

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and i made new friends and added them and it doesnt show up

sharp saddle
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?upload

shy spokeBOT
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You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

sharp saddle
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@placid oxide ^

placid oxide
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yea thx

runic stone
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@languid beacon eyyy owo

maiden mirage
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no owo allowed

viscid dock
#

uwu

raven steppe
#

anyone know if its possible to make a cheap vr headset using a phone + steam link app to stream vrchat from the pc??

vocal shard
#

Next gen phones in theory should be able to keep up, but that is just theory... Something like this I've been wondering about myself.

deft girder
raven steppe
#

well, does the steam link app know to use phone accelerators and such? and relay it properly back to vrchat?

#

or are you talking about desktop mode

maiden mirage
#

You won't be able to do it. Some people have done it but it requires wiring, raspberry pis, lenses, etc.

#

Just not worth it. It's not as easy as having a steam link and a phone, and then you need tracking and controllers.

deft girder
#

In minimum it requires just having a google cardboard or similar like it's not hard if you want to try it

maiden mirage
#

Where do you think tracking and controllers come from?

#

If he's trying to play pc steam vr games, it's never going to work lol

vocal shard
#

dont hear any audio from vrchat with voicemeter and yes everything is routed properly

maiden mirage
deft girder
#

There's even an emulator for playing vr games without vr just missing controllers won't stop you

vocal shard
#

Idk kinda weird i can hear my steam vr home, and every thing else on my desktop aside from vrchat

maiden mirage
deft girder
#

Like beat saber

vocal shard
#

It could also be that im using bluetooth headphones @maiden mirage

maiden mirage
#

Why are you using bluetooth headphones?

vocal shard
#

Because less wire? on my headset

maiden mirage
#

Which headset do you have?

vocal shard
#

Everything legit works except for vrchat and my pc correctly routed kinda odd tbh ive checked over 10times now

#

Og vive

maiden mirage
#

It does have an audio jack on it

#

throw on some regular headphones and just ziptie the cable smaller or something

#

sounds like you have just another thing that needs to charge lol

vocal shard
#

Even desktop has no audio with my headset though in vrchat

#

It works without voicemeter

maiden mirage
#

try it with a wired headset

vocal shard
#

Pc headset is wired

maiden mirage
#

sounds like you didn't configure voicemeter correct

vocal shard
#

Okay ill dm you and show you

raven steppe
deft girder
raven steppe
#

wow, thank you

grim furnace
#

Hey can anyone help me with this

#

I can't load the Term of service

autumn stag
#

how do i get 2 windows of vrchat open, one for gameplay and one for the avatar cam thingy? (for streaming)

vocal shard
#

Camera settings in the menu

maiden mirage
#

cameras automatically open a window

#

click stream camera

grim furnace
#

It just says new Terms of service and then error

#

And the agree button is greyed out

#

And I can't send images wth

#

This is what shows up

#

Google and Steam discussions don't give answers and now I am sad

autumn stag
vocal shard
#

like xtdo said, stream camera

#

then you can setup obs virtual camera through that :3

smoky sun
#

Anyone else notice avatar stations are broken? Is it maybe just a 2.0 thing?

maiden mirage
#

?

noble depot
storm stag
#

Why is it everytime I open the avatar or world menu my ping skyrocket to 500 to 1k.
It wasn't like this before.

#

It's making it harder for me to switch avatars.

pure vigil
#

Is anyone else losing connection a lot and lagging lately?

smoky sun
old sable
#

UH

#

the client is bugged i think

#

it makes me enter username and pass every launch

maiden mirage
#

then type it in

old sable
#

i do

#

the issue is after i start game after it beiong cl;osed for the nioght it logs me out

#

instead of staying logged in

pure vigil
#

Same..

storm stag
#

Yeh I have been loosing connection lately.
It's hard to change avatars or change world because everytime I open the Avatar and World menu, my ping skyrockets then it disconnects me.

pearl loom
#

🤨

old sable
#

@vocal shard scam lol

feral cloak
#

anyone wanna drink and chill

old sable
#

theres no free v bucks

#

nice try 🤣

ocean trellis
#

hello could i talk to one of the members of the team privately its an emergency please i hope i can get a response

swift cloud
vocal shard
#

When your asking for help and get smacked with a bot

#

Rip

swift cloud
obsidian kestrel
vocal shard
ocean trellis
#

the thing is its not a problem with vrchat its more of a lethal harassment problem

vocal shard
#

Imagine if hospitals made you fill out a support form before you could get help during an emergency

#

Wait, does this really happen in the US? 😂

obsidian kestrel
#

if someones life is in danger contact the authorities first

broken plover
#

In that case, record evidence (videos for example) and report them by following the instructions here #moderation-reports and in the meantime, just block them so they won’t harass you anymore

ocean trellis
#

its a matter of people that are causing lethal problems to someone and are sending more people to do the same

sweet solstice
#

hi, im new to vrchat. are there any good avatars for shy people

pearl loom
#

All avatars are good for shy peoplw

ocean trellis
#

oh ok i was confused to who it was and was scared and i ignored it could u tell them to send another request

pearl loom
#

But u can go to worlds tab and type shy avatars

tacit plank
#

World creators would abuse that power if they got it, they can alrady kick (and that causes a 30-min block from entering the instance)

#

And they need money to make those features that you want too

ruby tiger
#

you create a pay to win in the game
troll detected

vocal shard
#

ruby?

tacit plank
#

They should be kickable, I'm sure they're working on that bug if it can be fixed without a structural change

#

And everyone can still block them, it's not rocket-science to do so

vocal shard
#

You want world creators to be outright able to ban people from joining any instance that happens to contain their map?
That's a yikes

ruby tiger
#

How do you win in a sandbox game without a goal

vocal shard
#

As a world creator i would love that

viral willow
#

hiiii

vocal shard
#

Some people only complain about my worlds but they always end up coming back, i would love to block them

viral willow
#

I am baby yoda

vocal shard
#

That would create a lot of classism... There's already some toxic elitists who talk about wanting to create world's that are vr only, or rank specific.. while in situational circumstances it may be beneficial, the overall effect could cause more harm

viral willow
#

how convenient...

#

WHERES DAD

vocal shard
#

I highly doubt it

viral willow
ruby tiger
#

Don't worry, if that happens my sub is canceled

vocal shard
#

Wanting a world with a specific rank is not elitism, it's just common sense

umbral reef
viral willow
#

I wanna play some among us with meh boiis

umbral reef
#

I wonder now though, how have you reported people before then Lem?

pearl loom
umbral reef
#

So you complain about bad people ,the lack of moderation but refuse to take any action yourself?
Since when do games not primarily rely on user reports for punishments?

vocal shard
#

Reporting works if you use the ticket

umbral reef
#

So you use the ingame system?
What only function if enough people use it, like on any other platform?
Or do you send in the tickets where you can send as much proof as you need and where one report can get someone banned?

viral willow
#

hiiiiiiiiii

vocal shard
viral willow
#

who the HELl is YOU

umbral reef
#

Like in literally every other game- Yes

tacit plank
#

"if someone uses the world ban to create classism then their world will die and people won't visit it
it will solve it's self"

You'd think that the problem of trolls would solve itself too, as people can just block them

#

But apparently not, they'll go here and complain like you

vocal shard
#

Sorry if I don't love 9 year olds screaming the N word from the bottom of their lungs in my ear (they are also known as new users)

tacit plank
#

You just want moderator powers yourself lol

#

It does lack active moderators, but it's expensive to hire people for that

vocal shard
#

They don't often handle moderation issues in game. If I recall, they themselves log things outside the game even when coming across it

tacit plank
#

And you won't get chosen btw

umbral reef
#

Almost like you got vote kicking and the instance master can ban people form the instance

vocal shard
#

Can't just ban and have harsh moderation without structure. Especially since this game isn't like others, and to some it's almost all the social interaction they have

umbral reef
#

Neos also has sub 3 number user count
When VRC had that you could also find them daily in the 2a3 public instances

#

Like it really sounds like you need a friends+ world my dude

vocal shard
#

I have all safety off

#

I show everyone

sharp saddle
#

^

umbral reef
#

I use no safety settings at all and only play in public worlds reallyvrcCatThink

#

Only safety thing i got is the particle limiter

#

And no, thats not using the safety system, i can still see those.

sharp saddle
#

I live on the edge... no safety settings and in a public Pug 80% of the time.

pearl loom
#

Yall extreme

vocal shard
#

I usually prefer meeting visitors. Met a group of new quest users once all touring together. It was cool seeing them new to vr

umbral reef
#

Who says i dont have a public world vrcCatThink

sharp saddle
#

You sound like you have a super-popular world... but I ain't never heard o' ya.

umbral reef
#

Im mainly in the most popular worlds even so
I do get trolls, but i report the bad ones, dont get jebaited by them and do that magical block button

#

Alt account cringe

vocal shard
#

Yeah I noticed

#

40 minutes ago

sharp saddle
#

So... who are you then? Thonk

#

Wait, you can see when your account's been made?!

pearl loom
#

If u didnt create black cat or among us, u dont even have that many trolls

umbral reef
#

Almost like you got no famous public world and are using this to strong man argue 😳

pearl loom
#

😏

umbral reef
#

Also explains why i am here then with how often i say things are shit and should change

sharp saddle
pearl loom
#

I havent reached that point yet, vrc seems pretty good to me with how it is

sharp saddle
#

I'm late to the party, what's going on and why is this man acting like he's a celebrity?

umbral reef
#

vrcCatChicken Should i now say same?

pearl loom
#

He acts like he made black cat

sharp saddle
#

Pfff. I know Spooky.

#

She's usually busy with her work.

pearl loom
#

Im not saying its spooky, Im saying he acts as if his world is in top 3 all the time

sharp saddle
#

I know. :P

pearl loom
umbral reef
#

I now do get why you want moderation tools if you act like this ingame
Acting like this wont make people troll you less vrcChicken

pearl loom
sharp saddle
#

You paint yourself like you're the jerk at a reunion party saying he made the grestest invention ever but won't tell anyone what it is.

pearl loom
#

No wonder you get trolled

sharp saddle
#

Self-entitled much? KEKW

cold quiver
#

allowing world creators to choose who can enter their worlds sounds like a terrible idea and the start of a slippery slope.
now if vrchat was a game where you were actually hosting your own servers sure, but it is not.
Players make an instance on vrchat's servers using worlds uploaded, and a world creator should not be able to "own" any of those instances

#

world authors already have the rights to kick people from their worlds regardless of instance, and i think thats more than enough

sharp saddle
#

Waaaait... are you the guy who wants a "big brother" system again?

sweet solstice
#

i wish i had vr 😦

umbral reef
#

Fairly sure they dont have to do both vrcCatThink

pearl loom
#

How bout no

unreal verge
#

@cold quiver i see it the same way

vocal shard
#

Well... In the words of someone who has one of the most popular worlds...
I don't agree with this. If someone is doing stuff that would get them banned from VRChat, they should be banned from the platform. Not from a specific world. -Owlboy
(Comment from the canny for this topic)

pearl loom
#

^

#

Agree with owlboy

cold quiver
#

regardless of good intentions or not, such a system would be too easily abused

umbral reef
#

Like your so scared of being banned on your main- Whats a big joke btw.
Meanwhile you advocate for a system that would allow world creators to ban anyone for any reason from the most popular world without checks.

Me talking to you here would result in me being banned from the main big worlds as you can just lie to your world buddies then and get me also banned.

unreal verge
#

Also6, anyone elses friend list not updating anymore? I've to restart to see people who went online, offline or switched worlds.

swift cloud
#

If vrchat isn't banning anybody.... then who is avoiding the bans?

umbral reef
#

A photo and the outputlog aint a book of proof
Its two files where of one is auto generated even.

sharp saddle
#

Still waiting on the name drop, by the by. Jus' sayin'.

#

I'm now getting a strong "V for Vendetta" vibe from this guy. Thonk

unreal verge
#

And though of your guys using no safety settings lol

#

I've max safety

vocal shard
#

Why...

#

You miss so much

umbral reef
#

The kid should just start using friends+ worlds if the world is too small for other people

unreal verge
#

Cause my game just softlocks if i try to load every avatar in public worlds

#

So everyone except friends has to be robots

vocal shard
#

I Just run the particle limiter, and sometimes dynamic bone limiter when in public's. (On VR-Low graphics preset)

umbral reef
#

Performance block then instead of safety setting
Only safety setting you really ever need is animations and shaders depending the world if they mess up.

sharp saddle
vocal shard
#

my 4 core i7 still going strong ByakkoDab

sharp saddle
#

[laughs in sextocore]

unreal verge
#

It's more the loading process of the avatars which is causing trouble, not displaying them itself

sharp saddle
#

My hands are chapped. :(

umbral reef
#

Even if you disable all dynamic bones and use the performance blocker?
Unless you play on some acient gear by now you should be fine after removing the very poor avatars.
Thats close to everyone in the instance with how people dont care about performance but some should still show

unreal verge
#

Idk, i never encounter medium avatars and poor is still too much while loading.

#

So blocking everyone is no difference for me

umbral reef
#

Oof, doesnt your PC sound like a space shuttle then while playing?

unreal verge
#

Yes

#

Also again. Anyone elses social list not updating anymore?

sharp saddle
#

👀

umbral reef
#

Who's force joining you? Because i think they need some reward if you really act like this ingame 👀

sharp saddle
#

Yep, serious "V for Vendetta" vibes now.

#

"Take me seriously or I'll ruin you!"

umbral reef
#

Long

vocal shard
#

Edgy

umbral reef
#

As i have since the day it came out Kekw

acoustic badger
#

...?

umbral reef
#

Cringe lord

sharp saddle
#

I can see why you're hiding behind an alt.

deft girder
#

That was some fun reading

umbral reef
#

Literally a 14yo larping as a world creator

sharp saddle
#

... Soli, is that yoooou? 😮

vocal shard
#

02think wait... You actually taking oclac's meme name seriously

potent jungle
#

HIIII

sharp saddle
#

Hiiii.

umbral reef
#

KEKW
Didnt even realize he meant me

#

My nickname is to shitpost

unreal verge
#

I hope it's just a temporary issue. Can't join friends anymore because of this unless i restart the game or i get invited

acoustic badger
#

Yikes...

sharp saddle
#

You hear that, Oclac? You're a s o m e b o d y.

umbral reef
#

@sharp saddle A frog breeder yes 🐸

sharp saddle
#

Congratulations!

unreal verge
#

I get the feeling too

sharp saddle
#

Slippy, get back here!

ruby tiger
#

such a great job you create a pay to win in the game

  • lemlemsimsem
unreal verge
#

I thought first it was my VPN causing that issue but turning it off didn't help

umbral reef
vocal shard
unreal verge
#

Yeah I've to restart too. Friends which went offline a hour ago still showed up as online

vocal shard
#

Oof

umbral reef
#

Isnt there that tool that allows you to see friends online and in what world with an OVR-menu style?

vocal shard
#

Thank you

cold quiver
#

haha

unreal verge
#

VRCX, that's how i noticed that nothing is updating anymore until i restart the game

sharp saddle
#

Oh shit. You did it.

umbral reef
#

🐸 frog'd 🐸

sharp saddle
#

He got the banana.

cold quiver
#

I wonder how much of these issues with various vrchat services is due to the additional strain their servers are under by people using third party tools to stay logged in to see friends status etc

unreal verge
#

It's not really different than just staying logged in on the website in Browser

umbral reef
#

TBH a lot of these problems these people have are directly client related
The guy wonders why he gets targeted by people while claiming to go crash others
At the same time the guy is also using a client and wonders why people can force join him everywhere

cold quiver
#

some of these things might not respect the api very well and poll it way too often for example

unreal verge
#

Only thing i thought causing my issue was a VPN. But turning it off didn't do anything.

#

Maybe it helps if i choose to clear all local profile data

sweet solstice
#

i like that i make friends even when i dont talk

pearl loom
#

Dont talk on desktop mode?

sweet solstice
#

i dont have vr and im too shy :v

pearl loom
#

My first 2 days on vrc were like that

#

Trust me talking helps soooo much

#

Desktop mode mute is playing vrchat on hardcore mode x.x

sharp saddle
sweet solstice
#

i like to put pillows on peoples butts in the rain map

pearl loom
#

Lewd

hollow ingot
#

☺️

pearl loom
#

Mirrors are a good place sometimes

#

😏

vague horizon
#

hey!

untold bane
#

Hewwo

vague horizon
#

hows it going

untold bane
#

good you?

vague horizon
#

been a rough week but, im looking forward to the rainbow at the end of the storm matsix

untold bane
#

Cool

vague horizon
#

very cool

pearl loom
untold bane
#

Hewwo Red

pearl loom
#

Hello

untold bane
#

How are you?

pearl loom
#

Good

potent jungle
signal jasper
#

Been having loads of problems with the friends list atm. Sadly the worst it's ever been in years. When I hook in I get one shot to join an instance with friends in, after that the friends list no longer updates. Then as I try to join others it just takes me to empty instances, presumably their old instances. Only way I have been able to follow friends for over 2 weeks is portal or invite vrcCatThink

light sage
#

Tuff

vital pasture
#

Vrchat still have server problems?

light sage
#

I haven’t experienced any

vital pasture
#

Because I have time out and failed connection to vrchat since the last update, so 3 days.

#

Someone has the same problem ?

oak flint
#

hola?¿

untold bane
#

Hewwo

oak flint
#

anyone now

#

if in oculus quest 2 is beat saber in vr chat, i dont find

pearl loom
timber flare
#

hello vrcCatSquint

vocal shard
#

is a 3070 enough

#

for this on an index, or do i really need a 3080 or a 6800xt

inland knot
west yoke
#

3070 for Index on VRChat?

vocal shard
#

yea

west yoke
#

Should be fine. Would mainly make sure the CPU is fairly good

vocal shard
#

o.o;;; i cheaped out on the CPU

inland knot
#

no clue about anything

vocal shard
#

I did a 9700k

west yoke
#

That's fine

inland knot
#

thats too weak

vocal shard
#

;_;

inland knot
#

for low quality vr

#

you need at least a i9-10900x

west yoke
vocal shard
#

ok i've been hunting

#

for a 3080 or a 6800xt for a whole day

#

and i can't take it anymore, i'm just gonna buy the next 3070 3060 ti or even... a regular 6800 :((((((((

west yoke
#

Don't see anything wrong with going with something lower than a 3080 or 6800 XT.
The cards you mentioned are still fairly good, unless you're aiming for like 4k "pancake" gaming or something.

honest tendon
#

bruhh

#

pee pee poo poo

untold bane
#

check

vocal shard
#

i've been refreshing best buy all night

#

for either a 6800xt or a 3080

#

i won't buy that 800 dollar one though

#

not with those $650 6800 XT sitting right next to it

pearl loom
#

Just do it

west yoke
#

Best buy is probably the worst place to look for those cards tbh.
Looking at this live stream which checks the stock of those cards, best buy hasn't seen a restock in weeks. (In the U.S)

vocal shard
#

well when it comes i'll be ready

#

if it's been weeks it can't be that many more weeks right

west yoke
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

cloud orbit
#

5

storm stag
#

Seriousely, Switching avatar is making me disconnect.
Even if I check my Avatar list it disconnects me.

vocal shard
#

well my index is here thursday

#

along witht he rest of my parts, but no GPU

#

i guess i need some time to bungie the cables to the ceiling

#

i heard the pully systems are crappy

brave compass
#

I’ve got a friend that uses that pulley system

#

He says it’s pretty cool

vocal shard
#

Was thinking about getting them as well

brave compass
#

I gotta get a good extender for my headset cable if ima do that

#

cuz I wanna too

vocal shard
#

Hello very one (: I’m new to vr chat, my friends played with me yesterday and it was a great time, we were ants

untold bane
#

Welcome

placid oxide
#

Does anybody know if there is a way to check how many hours you have in vrchat?

vocal shard
#

Depends where you're playing it from

placid oxide
#

Oculus

vocal shard
#

Damn idk about that one

broken plover
#

you can check your playtime on steam and thats it. There isn't really any universal playtime counter

vocal shard
#

I use the steam

placid oxide
#

Oh

#

Well thx

vocal shard
#

oculus you can check it if you check it in pc

#

I’m assuming you play pc linked?

placid oxide
#

Yea I have the oculus app on pc

vocal shard
#

That’s where you check it for any game

placid oxide
#

Oh ok

#

Where do you go?

vocal shard
#

You have to view the game details panel

placid oxide
#

Oh thx

vocal shard
#

Yup np ☺️

#

timeout for browsing worlds

#

homeworld stuck at 0mb,
vrchat doesn't close properly,
triple crash combo

#

Why do I get so many timeouts since last week?

brave compass
brave compass
vocal shard
#

Yes, I noticed that when you timeout, it simply doesn't load your favs and your own avatars, you can only restart the game. So it's server issues since a week. got it

brave compass
#

Geez that sucks

#

Hopefully they have it fixed soonish

storm stag
native meadow
#

Anyone here known how to stop manipulating others into giving you the self worth you crave over an extended period of time for clearly selfish reasons to fill yourself with the happy vibes

gleaming kraken
#

uh..

native meadow
#

Guess not

brave compass
native meadow
#

Just kinda been going around and kinda notice I use people in a very particular way

brave compass
#

What was is that?

#

Should I be scared?

native meadow
#

Why?

brave compass
#

Yes

native meadow
#

Why would you be scared?

brave compass
#

You are very descriptive

#

im scared?

native meadow
#

I understand myself as much as anyone else yet I lack the recognition of my own emotional actions. So I find myself dancing on the line of faith to myself and loyalty to others

deft storm
#

Who really cares, if you're not hurting others or yourself just do what makes you happy

brave compass
native meadow
#

Can you use people and not hurt them?

deft storm
#

Everyone has strange emotional quirks

#

Depends what you're doing,but yes

#

Could be a symbiotic relationship

native meadow
#

Eh it could be abit of both

#

I kinda have multiple ways but it's really easy when people are so empathetic

deft storm
#

Seems to be a lot of people on vrchat that have emotional problems

#

I'm one of those empathetic people that stop by to help, and I don't mind

native meadow
#

Oof alot of people like that are really easy to use

shadow swift
#

Those people need hope to find the best balance

#

Find what makes them agressive

native meadow
#

maybe they do idk why people so empathetic

woven phoenix
#

Heyo

shadow swift
#

Well, its different for everyone. Some people just like the warmth of caring for others lol

hoary zephyr
#

Good Morning everyone!vrcHandWave

oak bone
#

Hi! ^^

timber iron
fair void
#

anyone having slow download speed on vrc atm? my internet is fine but dl speeds are slow when joining a new world 🙂

unreal verge
#

For me everything loads slow currently

#

Pictures, avatars, worlds

autumn stag
#

how do i get 2 windows of vrchat open, one for gameplay and one for the avatar cam thingy? (for streaming)

broken plover
#

do you mean the camera that you can drag around with your hand? Just enable the stream camera from the cameras menu. To capture both the camera and your first person view, you have to put the vrchat window into obs, and then capture the steamvr view (either by capturing the window or with the openvrcapture plugin for obs)

autumn stag
#

oh im on oculus but i think i know how to do it then

broken plover
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there's also a way to open up a window that displays the oculus headset's view. You can use that to capture the first person view aswell if you can't/don't want to use steamvr

languid beacon
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Yeah it’s called OculusMirror.exe and always shows whatever is in your headset. It has a lot of start parameters to modify what layers it shows and what levels of distortion/prewarp to use.

autumn stag
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ye thx

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can i hide the screen of the camera without deleting the actual view?

proper stratus
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Random question -- any remote workers out there which work from within VRChat? The idea is intriguing -- using something like DesktopPlus or OVR Toolkit for window management and VRChat for the environment and potential meetings with clients.

Stupid idea I'm sure, but I can't imagine a better working environment 😄

granite siren
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Why do quest users crash all the time? I personally don’t own quest not yet at least so I’m clueless

vocal shard
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I use quest, linked to pc, there is currently a bug that randomly disconnects your pc from your headset, and it makes you have to restart

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It’s an oculus (what I believe to be a software) problem they have yet to fix

unreal verge
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I use SteamVR with my Quest so I'm not affected

vocal shard
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It still happens, in fact more often, when using steam (for those who have the bug)

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You must not have it, fortunately

languid mason
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ive that had happen a couple of times on link (pre q2 update)

granite siren
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I see, well any advice for Quest? I’m hoping I’m getting a quest 2 for Christmas

vocal shard
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There is not exact fix for it. You could try to submit a ticket to oculus support, but as far as I heard from others they haven’t found a fix yet.

Some people say they replaced their cable and it worked, others say they have tried 3 cables and still disconnects.

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Pc gaming is great, but also very complicated, because it is PC, it’s hard to locate the problem, it could be so many different things

granite siren
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I can agree with that

languid mason
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vd/alvr is another option, since it's wireless it's designed for possible disconnections

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ofc you have to deal with it being wireless :p

granite siren
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Well if I’m getting vr I plan to link it to my pc

languid mason
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nice! thats one of my fav things about the quest, it also doubles a great and cheap pc hmd

vocal shard
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I only use the link if I have to, to play games only on steam like The Forest or Phas. Otherwise I try to not use link for other games like Pop1. Because it disconnects me too often. But everyone experiences the bug a bit different. You might not even get it, who knows

languid mason
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oh yeah i didnt even think about multiplayer games, that does seem annoying

vocal shard
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Yup

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Getting disconnected in the middle of a fight causes you the game, rip

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Rift S is nice

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Yeah I never disconnect with the rift s

unreal verge
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I can't use the rift s

vocal shard
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Used it for a year before moving to the index last autumn

languid beacon
granite siren
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I see, so they don’t get smooth frames

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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yeah in a busy world its usually about 20-30 frames depending on who you have visible

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(assuming everyone is poor-verypoor)

granite siren
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What if it’s linked? Does the frames improve

gleaming kraken
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(they usually are)

languid mason
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if it's linked, its whatever your pcvr vrchat can handle

languid beacon
granite siren
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Good

gleaming kraken
unreal verge
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7500, that's very low

languid beacon
gleaming kraken
languid mason
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i still think they should give us like ~2k more triangles (on quest limits), especially with the q2 being able to handle more :p

unreal verge
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I wonder how your avatar looks on Quest

granite siren
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Well my pc is a pretty strong one and keeps at a steady 90fps and 90ping

languid beacon
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7500 is not “low” for Quest. It’s the highest it can be and still be rated medium. It should be 5000 or below

unreal verge
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I wish i could get 90 ping. I'm always at 200

languid beacon
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But no one even gets down to 7500

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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isnt it 2500 for excellent?

gleaming kraken
gleaming kraken
languid mason
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ah

granite siren
unreal verge
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I use an avatar on Quest which has afaik remember more than 100k Polys

languid mason
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yeah there's barely anything below 10k, and if it is it's usually high materials or smth

unreal verge
gleaming kraken
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ugh..

unreal verge
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But it's VRChats fault anyways that I've a ping that high

languid beacon
gleaming kraken
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theres just.. so... many... damn.. quest creators that just switch their materials around and call it a day... they dont even actually try to create a seperate quest version..

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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not on the quest, but just for the q2

gleaming kraken
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i..

languid mason
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but it's probably going to create a rift between q1 and q2 :/

unreal verge
languid beacon
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The Q2 does not have increased performance over Q1

languid mason
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on top of vrchat just being laggy to begin with

gleaming kraken
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i think fracturing the quest creation base like that would only cause more issues..

languid beacon
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Not for VRChat anyway

languid mason
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oculus stated it can handle like 10x more triangles lol

languid beacon
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All that extra power goes into the quest’s higher refresh rate and resolution

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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and it has performance headroom to increase if needed

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probably to not destory battery life more than its doing already lol

gleaming kraken
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seriously. i just want them to remove very poor quest avatars already. they only hurt the platform. they have --no-- upsides..

languid mason
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they just barely got to q1's original battery life

unreal verge
languid beacon
languid mason
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trying to find it rn

gleaming kraken
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since the very poor ranks creation its only been a get out of jail free card for those who literally couldnt give a shit to optimize their avatars.

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no one wants to compromise.. or even try..

languid mason
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it was second hand too, but i remember reading something along those lines

languid beacon
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Q2 has higher framerate and resolution. For VRChat that eats up all its additional resources with no room for increased scene complexity

gleaming kraken
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you can have ultra featured avatars and still be medium for goodness sake..

unreal verge
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I only have very poor avatars in my favorites lol. I never found an avatar on another performance rank which i liked.

odd blaze
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Sounds like most public avatars thats 'popular'

solar sundial
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Anyone wanna play?

gleaming kraken
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ive had so many people on quest hate on my avatars because they are missing features like the very poor ones they use all the time.. it sucks

unreal verge
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But i play very rarely on Quest anyways and on PC i use my private avatars which Quest users can't see anyways.

gleaming kraken
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trying to explain performance ranks and gpu usage to an annoying kid is near impossible

odd blaze
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If i could id block avatars made by X person, every time i see their creation its just super poor mess

fading yacht
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For some reason my vrchat is only downloading worlds/avatars at like 100 kb/s all of a sudden. Anyone else having problems? =x

languid mason
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but according to a reddit thread (which has an image linked to pre-q2 specs) they changed the numbers for the q2 release

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it has 50,000-100,000 triangles on q1

languid beacon
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It’s possible if you lock Q2 to Q1ms resolution and refresh rate you can throw all additional resources into more triangles but that’s not taking the full picture into account

languid mason
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it doesnt mention res yeah but this is at the q1 72hz

gleaming kraken
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again once that happens then creators will have to start making "quest 2" compatible avatars... leading to more fracturing...

languid mason
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doesnt help the poor q1 users either

unreal verge
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I don't even understand how people can bear to play on the Quest version of VRChat. All you see is grey robots...

gleaming kraken
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thats... exactly what im ranting about

unreal verge
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No

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I mean not compatible avatars

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Which you can't unhide

gleaming kraken
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well technically they arent grey anymore.. they are now randomized garish colors that look horrible...

unreal verge
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Even worse

gleaming kraken
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seriously i dont know a single person who complained about the grey robots looking too bland..

languid beacon
frosty veldt
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I havent been on since that update, how obvious are the different colors?

gleaming kraken
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stupidly obvious

unreal verge
gleaming kraken
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and they also have a randomized selection of slightly different robots..

frosty veldt
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I thought the colors were just to identify why the avatar was hidden, seems weird to have it random imo

dapper kelp
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i literally can't build avatars on sdk 3 what the hell

unreal verge
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It's impossible to find people that play on Quest in the same language if you're German

gleaming kraken
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included: kylo ren wide boi, Skinny bones, thicc head.. and a few others

languid beacon
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Quest VRChat is very niche, especially if you don’t speak english

languid mason
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maybe its a last ditch effort for people to optimize their avatars lmao

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make them so ungodly ugly they have to do it

dapper kelp
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lmao im staying with sdk 2 3 is broken : /

frosty veldt
gleaming kraken
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ill send you a dm

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they look horrible

frosty veldt
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Make the grey robots look like Arc Survival evolved players lol

unreal verge
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In german worlds people only play on PC and don't use quest compatible avatars

cursive crypt
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Ok?

gleaming kraken
odd blaze
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Rather not speak my language in anything online 🤔

unreal verge
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My friends also are all on PC and afaik their main avatars aren't Quest Compatible either

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So i would rather quit than playing on Quest

dapper kelp
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imagine providing options on pc to optimise your experience but then when making the quest version instead of letting people set performance limits based on what they want you just say no you need a quest compatible avatar to actually have the avatar you want on quest. vrchat quest is just objectivly worse

unreal verge
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It is, i rather play on a weak PC than on Quest itself

languid mason
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thats not an option for vrchat though, they chose to use unity

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it's a unity problem, not theirs

dapper kelp
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so it's unity being broke. ight

languid mason
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it also happens that the quest is a weaker platform, so having a more optimized model helps as well

vocal shard
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If you get a quest it's not for VRChat it's for other games if you do get quest you hook it up to a pc for vrc~

dapper kelp
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ok yeah but forcing optimization... why not just let the users decide what they have disabled or not. if they want the mistake of enabling poor performance avatars while on a system that barely handles medium performance they should be allowed to do it

unreal verge
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I bought a Quest for VRChat, but i linked it to PC

languid mason
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they are allowed to do it though

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just on quest, they made the decision not to let people put verypoor as the minimum

dapper kelp
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exactly

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also you need to upload a quest version either way

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so basically your limited to poor only and people need to upload a quest version of their avatar. quest is just a seperate thing that people don't want to deal with

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you either make a brand new avatar or you decimate your existing one until it looks like an n64 character just so you can use it on the quest and then you have to hope it looks ok with standard shaders. why bother with quest when you can just play pc servers

languid mason
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because not everyone can play on pc servers?

gleaming kraken
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you can get things that will look alot better than n64 on quest..

languid mason
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thats the appeal of the quest version

gleaming kraken
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most people are just lazy

languid mason
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and theres a lot of people on vrchat and on here that wouldnt be able to experience vrchat at all without it

frosty veldt
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Only reason I don't make a quest avatar is because I don't meet quest users tbh

dapper kelp
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so, sacrifice freedom when making avatars because... portability. ight

languid mason
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i think its paying off for them yeah, and it probably actually will once they launch vrc+ on the platform

frosty veldt
cursive crypt
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We talking about quest plebs

languid beacon
gleaming kraken
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honestly they arent very rare at all

dapper kelp
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yeah... you have to find one first though and i haven't seen a single quest player

languid beacon
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Yeah last room of murder I was in the quest users were the majority

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The catch is they all stick together

languid mason
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if you're on cross platform worlds you catch a lot of them

cursive crypt
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I just don't feel like have to redo my whole avatar just cause they decided to get a shitty PC/android

vast oak
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i am thinking of getting a haptic feedback suit in the future. would i need to add anything extra to my avatar to make it register the ingame inputs?

languid mason
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i mean thats your choice, vrchat doesnt discriminate based on what platform you want to target

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nor does it get you any benefits, apart from the obvious ones

languid beacon
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I enjoy the quest limits

cursive crypt
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I don't

languid beacon
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Make quest versions first then add detail for pc it’s way easier

gleaming kraken
unreal verge
cursive crypt
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I do see them and I don't care if they can't see me

gleaming kraken
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the quest limits are quite reasonable imo. its only when dealing with garbage e-bois with garbage fur, 2 trillion particles and god knows what else. thats when it becomes difficult

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what they dont realize is that there is this word called "compromise"

languid mason
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*2 trillion transparent particles

languid beacon
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Yesterday was the first time I was in a room where quest users were the majority in a filled instance. And I mean like 70% of a room of 24

unreal verge
frosty veldt
languid beacon
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Not counting quest only instances of course cuz then 100% of the room is quest

dapper kelp
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i use a kira model pretty much all the time unless i'm meming or playing on the among us map but it actually has poor performance on quest so im fricked

unreal verge
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My own private avatar would probably be able to be ported on Quest since it's on the edge from very poor to poor, but i don't meet Quest users so there is no point.

languid beacon
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Most people’s avatars can be optimized for quest with no visual change it’s just a matter of them unwilling to put the work into it. Which is perfectly fine. But totally possible.

cursive crypt
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Wait a avatar has to be badly optimizated for quest?

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How does that make sense

dapper kelp
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use your brain then speak.

rough kestrel
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lol

rotund bluff
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I'm still on the fence about supporting quest models. I need medium-poor for PC. I don't really meet anyone my age with quest

gleaming kraken
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my opinion is that i want as many people as possible to support it. even if they dont own a quest or actively see people on quest. you dont know just how many quest users want more good avatars.

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if people want the quest platform to grow you gotta support it.

languid mason
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exactly, thats why im interested in making my own avatars

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there's really a need for optimized avatars on quest and it'll even help pc users as well

gleaming kraken
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yes. a need for more -optimized- avatars.

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even if the spoiled bratty kids on quest dont know what a performance rank is. there should be more of them.

languid mason
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lolol i know exactly the type of people you're talking about

unreal verge
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I only have private avatars which a friend made for me

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He said it would theoretically be possible to make them Quest compatible

gleaming kraken
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seriously the amount of kids on quest is staggering... and all they want is avatars with as many features as possible..

unreal verge
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That's also a reason why i try to avoid quest users. Most are just little kids.

languid mason
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thats why i find its not really necessary to unblock them automatically, if you're in a public room full of them

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because usually the spammiest avatars are stuck on verypoor for good reason

unreal verge
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The few i times i met them it was a kinda bad experience since they immediately insulted me the second i joined the lobby for being on PC.

languid mason
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not exclusive to quest ofc, pc has it's fair share of them

gleaming kraken
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yeah but quest is infinitely more accessible to kids so its the majority on there

languid mason
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thats a shame, usually ive had good quest-to-pc user experiences

cursive crypt
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  1. My avatar Is private

  2. Can't use it anymore

languid mason
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usually if we or someone else finds a pc only avatar, we just remark that it's a shame we cant see it and move on

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or the pc player will be kind enough to switch to a quest compatible one

gleaming kraken
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yeah

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thats how normal people act

dapper kelp
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i aint got any quest compatible stuff lmao

tawdry shuttle
#

lol

cursive crypt
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Most quest people are toxic kids

dapper kelp
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but i dont play on quest enabled servers that much anyway

tawdry shuttle
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and brushes, ew.

unreal verge
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Unfortunately my private ones is displaying myself (it's the one in my profile picture) and i only find e-boy avatars for Quest.

gleaming kraken
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most of my recent avatars are quest so thankfully i rarely get people complaining about that factor. its almost always that they cant see a certain thing thats on pc, that ive personally disabled on quest.

languid mason
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at least be lucky that vrchat has not gone the way of rec room, they have a full mobile version that any kid can download on their phone :V

languid beacon
cursive crypt
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If your avatar Is quest only your a bad person

gleaming kraken
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i dont get that tbh..

unreal verge
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Lol i actually found one single person who had one

languid mason
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lol i always wondered if those existed

unreal verge
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It's weird being on PC and not being able to see that avatar

gleaming kraken
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most of the time that ive seen quest only avatars its usually a newer creator who only uses quest and doesnt see the need to make it pc compatible

languid mason
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sometimes on pc i'll see avatars i cant see, even though they're marked as quest/pc hm

languid beacon
dapper kelp
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imagine making an avatar not pc compatible. thats some painful stuff

languid mason
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(they arent performance blocked either)

cursive crypt
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Either make it PC only or quest and PC never quest only

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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pretty sure it was someone else who said that here

languid beacon
dapper kelp
cursive crypt
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Why make your avatar only for the worst platform

unreal verge
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I probably will never find another person who has a Quest only avatar lol. Was confusing to see that on PC.

gleaming kraken
gleaming kraken
dapper kelp
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yeah. basically newer creators commit small brain

gleaming kraken
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i literally have a quest friend who does exactly that

languid mason
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isnt it the same exact situation just with pc and quest reversed

cursive crypt
gleaming kraken
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and whenever he does get it on pc he asks me to test it for him since he doesnt have a pc

dapper kelp
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oof

languid mason
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which is kind of hilarious lmao

languid beacon
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Typical Entitled PC User: “I don’t care if Quest users can’t see me but how DARE they use a Quest-Only avatar!”

languid mason
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i dont think ive seen a quest-only world though, do those get past community labs?

gleaming kraken
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there is a few

cursive crypt
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I'm not entitled I just dislike the quest

gleaming kraken
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theres like a quest bar or something that came out early on. but its not super popular

languid mason
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yh ive seen a couple quest themed worlds, but they usually have pc versions as well

unreal verge
languid mason
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i think ive mightve seen the quest bar?

gleaming kraken
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ive noticed for sure that whenever a world hits labs. its usually quest users that are more common early on.

languid beacon
cursive crypt
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Not really

dapper kelp
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look. i see why quest users don't like not seeing pc users but heres the thing. if your avatar works on quest it will 100% work on pc so making is quest only makes no sense other than it taking a bit longer to upload the 2 versions. if you manage to make an avatar that works on quest but then somehow runs poorly on pc with no changes i give you full permission to stab me with a rusty spoon.

unreal verge
languid mason
#

oh which one?

west yoke
languid beacon
unreal verge
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The Hub one i think. Don't remember the exact name. Whith the green tree and lake.

gleaming kraken
languid mason
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if you develop on mac/linux for example it's impossible to test on pc, at least not easily

languid beacon
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Most quest users hang out with other quest users. If a Pc user comes over and can’t see them that’s their problem for using a pc

dapper kelp
umbral reef
gleaming kraken
dapper kelp
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then how the hell do they upload custom stuff?

gleaming kraken
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usually its not one fast enough to run vrchat

umbral reef
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Most people never upload any custom content at all within the game