vrchat-general-2

[naive wadi]

and how do you know if someone is your friend?

[vocal shard]

when you trust that person i would say

[lusty briar]

when their nameplate is yellow

[languid beacon]

Name text is in yellow

[naive wadi]

i hate yellow, dang it

[vocal shard]

that's racist

[distant heron]

I can't wait until I get enough money for the valve index, I only use desktop right now but ya

[languid beacon]

It’s not enough, next update they need to hide their rank on their details page to make people have to work extra hard for their discrimination

[naive wadi]

np thx

[distant heron]

What are ways to bring your rank up, I have like 37 hours on the game and I only have new user rank

[lusty briar]

make avatars and worlds

[languid beacon]

It’s not really playtime...

[naive wadi]

friends too

[distant heron]

But there are people who have the user and/or trusted rank that never created anything like that

[languid beacon]

Make friends, upload stuff, visit worlds, spend time with many different people

[lusty briar]

then they have like 5000 friends or something

[naive wadi]

they have 5000 friends

[languid beacon]

Just logging in the game and sitting there won’t do anything

[distant heron]

I don't just sit, I actually play

[indigo fern]

Then you should be fine in due time

[distant heron]

Ok

[indigo fern]

The only thing you need to rank up for is to upload worlds at the next rank, you can already upload avatars

[languid beacon]

Then you’ll get it eventually. Be around more people. people you haven’t met yet. Public worlds are good.

[rapid karma]

It’s worth the money if you save for it but there might be a new vr hmd, controllers and tracking entering the ring soon heard of “Decagear”?
They seem like an interesting company with a great idea plus the price point isn’t to bad for the consumer

[distant heron]

Wait what

[lusty briar]

not worth investing into someone who we have never heard of until now

[distant heron]

Will they be better than the index stuff @rapid karma

[languid beacon]

But anything higher than green takes forever unless you upload stuff. There is sort of a hidden achievement system with trust boosts for hitting them. You don’t need to hit them, but it takes much longer otherwise

[distant heron]

What do you mean

[lusty briar]

ive never seen anything come from that company

[rapid karma]

Hard to tell currently but depending on the outcome it looks like they could become a real big contender

[distant heron]

Oh ok

[lusty briar]

then out of nowhere they advertise one of the best on-paper specs for a ridiculously low price

[distant heron]

Ya, I'll just go with something that I can trust and stuff like that

Even thought it's $1,000 for the whole thing I'll still just go with the index

And get 3 vive trackers for full body uwu

[rapid karma]

I agree it’s ambious but look at oculus it’s wireless

[lusty briar]

oculus is well known and also owned by facebook so they were worth trusting

[rapid karma]

Also I’m a sceptic but if it lives up to its name it will be worth every penny

[brittle cairn]

Me with my OG old-school rift 👴

[rapid karma]

Not to mention the price of vr is getting lower in general for mass consumers

[rapid karma]

No Facebook bought out oculus

[lusty briar]

i know that

[rapid karma]

There’s a difference they were well known before they were bought out

[brittle cairn]

got my rift for £220

[distant heron]

But now I can't spend that much time on vrchat because I need to learn how to create a new avatar completely off scratch because the avatar I'm going to create, the base for it doesn't exist for it as far as I know

[rapid karma]

Yo fist bump I still got mine

[lusty briar]

obviously i want decagear to live up to its name but i kind of wish they were less ambitious from the start

[rapid karma]

What’s wrong with ambition, oculus would have never happened without it

One guy building a headset from parts well I say one guy I’m sure there were more people helping

[faint skiff]

So there's a new group of people going around ripping avatars and one of the guy's current avatar is literally a Nazi. Anyone know if VRC are moving quickly on these guys?

[regal furnace]

eye tracking, mouth tracking, body tracking, inside out tracking for a new company is pretty ambitios, oculus was not that much, or at least slower

[lusty briar]

4k per eye and index style finger tracking for $450 seems a little extreme

[vocal shard]

not without reports

[lusty briar]

along with all the peripherals izu mentioned

[distant heron]

How long does it normally take for someone to learn how to 3d model and create their own avatar from scratch

[rapid karma]

All the info is out there to do it now though

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard I've reported people with mods absolutely wrecking sessions, with video evidence of the whole thing and confessions and... absolutely nothing was done about them. So I have little faith.

[vocal shard]

not definitive answer to that
It all depend on the person and how much time you can put into it

[distant heron]

Oh ok

[vocal shard]

well then we will have nazi crashers in lobbies now

[rapid karma]

Not really people are always expecting better from anything from a game to a company, yes they’re a new company but give them a chance before you judge

[distant heron]

@vocal shard, should a beginner learn how to do the avatar first ow learn how to 3d model objects to start

[regal furnace]

just compare their offer to other headsets, then you will notice it IS pretty extreme for a small new company

[lusty briar]

and the index is $1000, the only difference being brought on paper here is inside out tracking, i dont think that slashes $600 off the price, and again its a NEW company, so im skeptic

[rapid karma]

Hey look at vrchat 3 years ago half the people here probably weren’t here or wouldn’t have heard of it before they saw a YouTube video of it

[last hornet]

@rapid karma wanna join Drinking Night with me and a few friends? 😂

[vocal shard]

it's faster and easier to take a premade model and modifiy it
learning from scratch is a very long process that will take months and months before you get to an acceptable level

[distant heron]

Oh ok

[rapid karma]

Yes but that’s what gives it it’s exposure the price is low and the quality depending on the outcome is high

[lusty briar]

theres obviously going to be some compromise, theres more to a headset than its specs

[faint skiff]

@rapid karma When a company claims that their magical headset (which will somehow cost less than all the competition) will have better specs than everyone else and include all the features everyone wants, it's very normal to be incredibly sceptical, especially when no-one else can do it yet somehow a company that has done nothing other than a few failed projects can.

[vocal shard]

wait for the reviewers to get the headset and judge at that moment

[regal furnace]

im pretty sure they saved on comfort, tracking quality and build quality

[rapid karma]

Would love to not sure I’d fit in though I’m not a heavy drinker I have a drink every now and then but thanks for the invite ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[lusty briar]

you cant just throw out a headset that kills a lot of the competition as a company with almost no track record

[regal furnace]

i mean, you can, but it would be self destruction. especially with competition like Facebook and Valve

[distant heron]

I know that it isn't the way to learn and stuff but I just really wanna just jump right in and just try and 3d model and create the avatar that I want, I need to 3d model it and stuff because the base for it doesn't exist to my knowledge

[rapid karma]

I agree but no one else has tried yet that’s the point not to mention if it is what it says the price point won’t matter because they’ll make the money up with a huge revenue of money anyway

[distant heron]

I could just looking in the wrong places but I don't know for sure

[last hornet]

Im not a heavy drinker either 💖

[distant heron]

Can anyone tell me where to find a certain type of avatar base

[lusty briar]

lowering your profit margin to the minimum possible sure seems like a sustainable business model

[regal furnace]

which one?

[distant heron]

So it's a anthro horse/pony base that I'm wanting to get

[regal furnace]

[distant heron]

What

[vocal shard]

[distant heron]

Am I really being judged

[vocal shard]

yes

[distant heron]

;~;

[rapid karma]

As long as they produce something better than oculus I’m sure that the price won’t matter

[sterile mango]

Anyone have a good skin I can clone

[regal furnace]

no, its just the law that you reply with when someone asks or says something weird/cursed/unexpected

[distant heron]

What did I do wrong, is it something I said

[vocal shard]

skin

[faint skiff]

@rapid karma What do you mean "no-one else has tried"? That's literally what every company is doing when they release a new headset.

[distant heron]

;~;

[regal furnace]

@distant heron your best bet is probably asking around Furhub or something, they know it better usually

[distant heron]

Furhub?

[regal furnace]

the world were most furries are, they know best where to get the furry bases and models

[vocal shard]

there is a furry world ?

[regal furnace]

more than you think ^^

[faint skiff]

@distant heron Are you thinking of the one by Artlek

[rapid karma]

They’re are all specialising in one field oculus for example wireless vr, some are opting for better tracking and others are upgrading the hmd or controllers,
I think decagear is trying to working all fields rather than specialise in one

[vocal shard]

well well well, time to get out the alt account and do some visiting

[faint skiff]

@rapid karma So a company with no industry known people will magically make a headset better than billion dollar companies by... spreading themselves thinner? Are you really thinking clearly on this?

[languid beacon]

Now that headsets are a thing, how to improve on them is an iterative process. It’s easy to copy and improve someone else’s design

[proper stratus]

Random question, what is everyone's favorite lounge world for just chilling?

[languid beacon]

Traveler’s Rift

[elfin matrix]

not every company has the resources to subsidize a vr headset though like facebook with the quest, so it's hard for the rest to compete with the same design

[languid beacon]

No one else needs to throw a mobile phone in it.

A good, cheaper PCVR headset isn’t nearly as expensive to produce as making a quest clone

[regal furnace]

Flowers Arboretum

[rapid karma]

I say again the information for vr is out there now it’s easier now a days to build one because people know how vr works plus again look at oculus before they weee endorsed & bought out by Facebook a low price for a vr headset fuck a bunch of people were skeptics before they delivered the rift and now because of the rift they have made their name
Yes it seems like they’re offering a lot and I agree it’s not going to fulfill all of what they set out to do but they will try their damndest I bet you

[crimson forum]

I want thank VrChat for exiting men I met so many people cus of this game

[vocal shard]

np

[proper stratus]

Thanks for the lounge suggestions guys!

[languid beacon]

The secret to getting people to enable your shaders is have your avatar look almost perfectly correct without shaders but intentionally make a small part of your face untextured or missing just small enough to bug people but not awful enough for them to hide your avatar

[indigo fern]

lmao, now thats big brain

[idle nova]

Can we control what the fallback shader looks like?

[pseudo basalt]

to some extent

but it depends on your shader https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/shader-fallback-system

[idle nova]

📝

[languid beacon]

By carefully choosing your shader name and parameter names you can usually get exactly what you want, at least from what is available

[solar heath]

What does it mean when someone get's a "Unusual Client behaviour" error?

I've heard some folks have had it. I've yet to have it. Although I am playing on Linux/Proton so I've got my own issues.

[vocal shard]

Means something on your computer triggered the "anticheat" features that vrchat has. Might be a good idea to check your computer hardware out before you mistakenly get banned

[solar heath]

What sort of things would trigger this "Anti-cheat"?

[vocal shard]

hi guys

...

[unique crag]

yo

[vocal shard]

Am not sure, im no expert when it comes to linux and vrc but something is making it unhappy thats for sure.

[solar heath]

I'm not receiving. A streamer did

They're having tracker issues atm though so I'm wondering if a tracker issue has set off the anti-cheat

They're using Windows.

[vocal shard]

Doubtful, my trackers mess up on me all of the time, wireless headset crashes mid game... controllers refuse to connect after the batteries die... one resets itself when its at 5% repeatedly... Never got booted for that once

[solar heath]

Any other ideas besides computer hardware causing the trigger? It doesn't sound like hardware'll be triggering it then

[vocal shard]

Being honest, it might be bugged software, obs or whatever capturing input might have caused a malfunction. Could be a lot of things even down to hardware.

[solar heath]

I guess all we can do is guess then what the issue might be.

[vocal shard]

I cant be more help than that im sorry about that, im sure a support ticket might be able to shine more light on what could cause a false trigger with that

[solar heath]

I wish there was an update that fixes the issues with websockets for those overseas players.

[pale rivet]

Has anyone else noticed that since this update that the game looks worse while playing it through the Oculus launcher? The game looks normal through SteamVr but SteamVr lags me out too much. Just wondering if I am the only one having this issue.

[vocal shard]

fixes issues? you must be new here xD

[solar heath]

I've known about the websocket issue for weeks

[lusty briar]

must be VRchats graphics settings, if you launch the game while holding shift you can have settings that affect anti aliasing and other stuff im not sure about

[pale rivet]

Thanks, I'll see if that does anything.

[tired kraken]

does anyone know how to import animated materials from blender into unity is this possible?

[pale rivet]

No dice. I guess I'll keep looking for a solution.

[rocky blaze]

why does my favourite people list keep removing people on its own?

i cant have more than 21 people in my first favourite people list

fungi

k

[pale rivet]

If it helps, I also can't alter brightness or bloom settings in any world since the update while playing it through the oculus launcher.

[lusty briar]

thats usually up to the world creator to let you modify it

vrchat doesn't have bloom by default

[pale rivet]

Odd that I can change it while running it through Steam vr.

[tulip wave]

thoughts on vrc+?

[umbral reef]

Needed for the game to survive and it has some nice stuff as a reward 🤷‍♀️

[tulip wave]

true true, last night i ran into some dude who was flexing he had extra money in the bank called some people some very not nice words and it was very annoying to hear these things from someone who has been playing for 3 years. I find it cool but at the same time un needed because its gonna be a new way to "flex" things in this game. The nametags were a huge part but now with vrc+ i feel like its gonna lead the community into something not so great when it comes to finding nice people

[umbral reef]

People will always use anything they can to do that though.
There is literal no system that wont help someone toxic to be more toxic

[lusty briar]

necessary for vrchat to be sustainable but im a bit iffy on its policies now

[tulip wave]

Yeah, just sad to see people in the game who think they're better than everyone when everyone should be treated equally.

vrc+ or not

[fallow lava]

why when i start the game from the website do my index controls not work

huh?

[opal jay]

my vrchat wont work i need help

when i load it it goes black screen and plays the audio but nothing else

[vocal shard]

#user-support-old

[final plank]

On steam, the VRChat picture to play the game, where can I find the little green octopus avatar?

[reef dawn]

VRC+ doesn't offer me much outside of the lil icon -- already purple, and outside of a handful of meme avatars I only use my own models -- but I'm just fortunate enough to be in a good position right now and want to support the game

[golden scaffold]

Thanks for your support! We've got cool things coming, this is just the start.

[regal furnace]

make the old loading screen vrc+ exclusive and you have me in 👀

[broken plover]

or make it a dlc on steam

[cold talon]

you are a dlc on steam

[broken plover]

ok

[cursive crypt]

Neither

[cold talon]

index 😎

[pure ibex]

hello

[regal furnace]

i still cant reccomend Oculus, so Reverb G2 probably, or you can find maybe a cheap used Vive Pro or Cosmos

[pure ibex]

hello yall

[cold talon]

but the vive controllers mmm no thanks

[pure ibex]

hello?

[regal furnace]

hai

[pure ibex]

i just got here

i have a qestion how do you enter a discord call?

[regal furnace]

well, either you call someone directly or you enter an available Voicechat

[odd blaze]

10mb max icon size seems abit high 🤔

guess it get crunched on server side anyway

[vocal shard]

Whats the limits on the resolution? Just wondering?

[odd blaze]

2k

[vocal shard]

so 2k x 2k for a icon?

[odd blaze]

my 1k texture was 495kb after vrchat was done with it, size was 635kb 🤷‍♂️

'Must be less than 10MB, larger than 64x64 pixels, and smaller than 2048x2048 pixels.'

[vocal shard]

Ah I see, thats a terrible ratio for resolution:filesize

[odd blaze]

it was just a test nothing really in it except 2 colors :p

[vocal shard]

I might be mistaken but I think discord at least allows up to 50mb for whatever ratios it supports. but hey at least its a option I cant complain really

[odd blaze]

Have an avatar that has 0.3kb texture , one of my tests

4 different dots in a tiny texture

[amber juniper]

I wanted to try something similar like this, basically the texture is just a colour palette, and then just colour the polygons with those. With that + lowpoly design, you can create pretty good performance avatars with a small filesize

[odd blaze]

avatar needed to uploaded a bunch of times to test things so didnt want a large texture on it, needed some color so i knew it changed, redid the blue avatar from 2.0 too , for 3.0 testing

[regal furnace]

when i upload something multiple times, i just do it like "world - 001" and on the next upload its called "world - 002" and so on, works for me fairly good ^^

[nimble kettle]

is there anyway to record a higher fov on vrchat

[torn nebula]

Could also use vertex colors, that way you can do linear gradients

[toxic lantern]

social tab dead for me and my friends

[shadow plaza]

how do i cancel my monthly vrc+ ?

i just want it for 1 month

[ruby needle]

Through Steam

[shadow plaza]

like how? im looking at steam and im lost

i see it now

[blazing gyro]

I just got vrchat

[ruby needle]

https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq

[vocal shard]

Help my vrchat is not responding after a crash and i cant close even with task manager also i had a problem that there was no input i try to walk nothin i try to go to menu nada

[waxen nova]

for those with fullbody, what was it like the first time?

[reef dawn]

No problem! I don't (personally!) even need cool things coming, just happen to be glad to support an already cool thing! Though more cool things never hurts XD

[analog tree]

Hey where should i ask for help if i have Map problems ? I just join something and it shows big sign that i have some kind of error or what the heck is that

[floral aspen]

Need some help? Crashing? Not able to get into the app? Please contact our Support Team by creating a ticket at https://help.vrchat.com/new (select "Support" category)! Include as much information as possible. Be descriptive! What were you doing? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? Pretend you're trying to describe your problem to someone so they can recreate the issue.

You can also create a support ticket at https://help.vrchat.com/new

[languid beacon]

Vive trackers are as if you have controllers on your feet, they move around just as well

If you have a avatar that is scaled to you it’s very immersive

[gusty cedar]

Can someone explain why people keep harassing me for being a vrc+ user? wth is wrong with that?

[ruby needle]

Nothing is wrong with that

[gusty cedar]

it's so annoying

[floral aspen]

just block them

[ruby needle]

^

[uncut totem]

still havent gotten my plus lets go bro

[gusty cedar]

Yeah, amma block 9 out of 10 people I meet

maybe not exactly that many but feels like it

[uncut totem]

What should i do if i have contacted support and i still dont have my plus

[floral aspen]

That's the nice thing about VRChat. Someone harrasing you or being a jackass? Block them or just go to a different world/instance

[brittle cairn]

I think so far I've had one person ask me how I have a picture next to my name from vrc+

[gusty cedar]

People laugh at me calling me a retard for paying for a few pointless features

[uncut totem]

just call them haha funny poor

[gusty cedar]

I dont even wanna tell them why I have it, cuz I'd have to repeat myself anyway

[floral aspen]

No, don't even respond to them. Just block and ignore

[gusty cedar]

I just hate blocking people but I guess I have no other choice

[brittle cairn]

Just say "because I can afford it" and leave it at that :p

[gusty cedar]

hahah I'll go with that

[floral aspen]

Say you didn't block them. Do you really want to talk to someone who treats you like that?

[brittle cairn]

End of the day though can you spend your hard earned money on whatever you want :)

[gusty cedar]

Well most of the time they are friend of a friend that bad mouths my decision so idk

[floral aspen]

Still doesn't mean you should let them talk to you like that

[uncut totem]

i bought vrc+ yesterday and it still is telling me to buy it im so pissed lol

support keeps telling me i have it even though i dont

[brittle cairn]

I brought VRC+ because I love the game and wanted to give back

[gusty cedar]

Yeah I got it to support the development

The features are just shinies

[vocal shard]

imagine being a complete jerk to someone because they donated 10 dollars to something that they really do enjoy

[deft girder]

What's your vrc user name? 🤔

[gusty cedar]

Wow, what a trash human to give back to the people that have created something really great

[uncut totem]

My vrc name is my discord name

[vocal shard]

Its 10 dollars man get over it lol

[golden scaffold]

Wanna shoot me a quick DM? Would like to look more into this as sometimes Steam sync can take sometime, but that's a long time for it to not show up.

[vocal shard]

Thats what I would say if that was me.

[gusty cedar]

It would be cool to be able to connect the vrchat account with the discord profile like youtube, steam etc imo

was just a thought I got now heh

[sharp lynx]

Is there a place that I can find avatars from some of my favorite animes?

[brittle cairn]

This

[languid beacon]

I just say “because I love this game”

I haven’t really gotten a snippy response back from that

[quasi fulcrum]

does anyone have a cool escanor skin i can have

[mortal bough]

Could I post a picture of an avatar and ask everyone if they know where it's from?

[green creek]

well yes

but you'd probably have to do it in a channel that allows it

[mortal bough]

I'm so silly

[modest fox]

......i might have missed this, but im rather concerned as to why vrchat added a subscription to a beta game, and it still has loads of bugs.

[inner cape]

cause

[uncut totem]

i can hear my gpu slowly dying

it will be over soon lol

[green creek]

the slow spiral sounds of a stalling plane

[modest fox]

honestly, the fact they want money to a beta game with a stitton of bugs makes me...idk, not wanna play. but ok.

[vocal shard]

Are you mad over a 10 dollar donation also bruh

[gusty cedar]

@modest fox Then don't play

[vocal shard]

jk thats your opinion I respect that.

[modest fox]

XD

[ruby tiger]

Every game with a subscription service is bug-free /s

[gusty cedar]

It's there to support the development, and the features are a thank you.

[tawny ore]

Anyone else had their framerate cut down to 1/4th due to 3.0 avatars being in the room? Or am I just running a system that's not designed for anything VRC related?

[arctic elm]

they kinda scream at you tbh

[gusty cedar]

@tawny ore Yeah, idk what but since the last update I've noticed a lot more fps lag

[modest fox]

i have a gaming pc that im upgrading, i shouldnt be having issues running vrchat, its been out how long?

[vocal shard]

All I can say is you are not the only one.

[modest fox]

exactly.

[tawny ore]

@modest fox I can confirm latest update has cut the framerate to tatters.
As soon as a 3.0 avatar joins the world, you get 20 frames if you're lucky

No need to upgrade your system to participate in the RTX-3090 20fps experience

[vocal shard]

I don't have that issue :(

[tawny ore]

20% GPU usage, 20FPS... I think I understand now

[modest fox]

ah, the upgrades are for other stuff, but regardless, the pc is having issues running vrchat

[gusty cedar]

The fps also depends on avatar and world creators. if only they were optimizing as recommended. All I see are Very Poor Avatars and the optimized ones are private

[tawny ore]

I only blame this update because I think they've removed bloom and did something to the rendering engine, offloading a lot of rendering to the CPU now

[green creek]

The mac im on rn basically has a really big fan, but all you hear is the soft clicking of the 5Tb hard drive as it communicates with the computer.

and it never gets super loud

[gusty cedar]

That sounds real bad, I'm sure they are aware though .. if that's the case

[arctic elm]

bad bot. that wasnt spam you nerd

[green creek]

?

[modest fox]

either way, chillout vr has only been out a fraction of the time of vrchat, and its a lot smoother. so why on earth vrchat ends up being hella broken at times is beyond me.

[arctic elm]

was making a joke about stall horns on planes, kinda eee at you until you stop stalling, but i had a few too many e's so the bot removed my message

[green creek]

he he

[tawny ore]

@gusty cedar I hope so. It's rather discouraging thus far. Also encountering frequent crashing, but I am happy to blame oculus for that.

[modest fox]

@tawny ore planning to upgrade from oculus to index soon, this fb shit is trash

[tawny ore]

i'm on Rift S, it has been mostly OK.

[arctic elm]

good idea, you'll enjoy it

[vocal shard]

im glad there is an easy way to support vrchat now

[modest fox]

from what i see, i can put about 3-400$ from three pay checks to get an index

[gusty cedar]

@tawny ore I change my performance safety settings when joining public lobbies until its fixed, seems to help a lot. I have a friend that also crashes frequently..
I don't think I've had a crash for months.

[vocal shard]

When its a good day and the planets align and VRC runs at a smooth 90... Its a good time to be in VR. Sadly once it gets a lotta people leaving and joining and doing their avatar changing. 10 to 40 in a clustered room just feels bad. Just dont get the index setup if you are going to mostly vr for vrc

[green creek]

aight

[modest fox]

i mean, theres more games to play, i have intentions of more than just vrchat. i just hate my 2-3 hr playtime from the quest

[fervent minnow]

does the new update add quest 2 improvements?

[ruby needle]

You cannot refund subscriptions, and what do you mean with you are in AFK mode?

[vague nacelle]

Looks like steam sent my money back after giving me confirmation? I don't think I'll try again though my game is now bugged for some reason.

I log in in ltus position to my homeworld and can't get out of it. I got a confirmation number on the purchase and it showed the debjt in paypal. NFDI

lotus position

[ruby needle]

That sound's like a strange thing.

Run though the client issues steps of #vrchat-support

[waxen nova]

i dont know if theyve added some update to the game since i last played, but if i log in and im in afk mode, i go into the mini menu on my hand and toggle afk mode off

that fixes it for me

[ruby needle]

AFK mode can be disabled indeed.

Tho, it should only be active if you are outside the VRChat window

[languid beacon]

Will be interesting to see if it holds up with people doing stuff as complicated scripting as is possible in vrchat. VRChat dosn’t lag in simple worlds either

[umbral reef]

@vague nacelle If your steam wallet doesnt have the funds yet it will first add the funds.
After it has done that you need to confirm you want to buy the subscription with the steam wallet money.

[modest fox]

we shall see.

[languid beacon]

It’s easy to not take into consideration what is possible on a platform. If you want to strip down VRChat you could make it lighter too but it would only be a shallow facsimile of what it actually is

[sour flame]

does anybody want to play vrchat rn? c:

[twin fractal]

don't think anyone wants to play

[green creek]

check how many people are online

[vague nacelle]

Stean wallet had the funds. Think the transaction went through then they reverted it or something and my game got bugged too. I uninstalled the game, reinstalled, cleared cache, restarted and was able to log in. And then, since the funds were already there, I was able to buy it with a click. I'm good now. thanks all.

[clever oar]

I love my vrc+

[vague nacelle]

I don't really care about the features but I get that much enjoyment out of the game and maybe they can hire more people on their security team. 🙂

[hollow ingot]

🙏

[magic delta]

uwu

[sharp lynx]

Does anyone know if there is a  Kazuya Kinoshita avatar?

[twin fractal]

[green creek]

mmmhmmmm

oof

the addition of the dev team in there

[dusky nebula]

hi

[green creek]

lol hi

the pfp kills em

me

[proper stratus]

I'll pay for pleasure any day

Worked hard to get the money, hence I earned the pleasure 🙂

[vocal shard]

🤔

[solemn summit]

Is anyone here with the Rift S experiencing crashes in VRChat?

[vocal shard]

no

[unreal verge]

i play via SteamVR, so no

[solemn summit]

Weird. A friend plays it in SteamVR too, but he still crashed

[uncut totem]

S

[dim galleon]

Is anyone here experienced with making avatars, or at the least experienced with textures? I’m looking for someone that matches that for a clan in my mandalorian server

[hushed swan]

Has anyone addressed an issue where avatars are in a permanent loading state, and the expressions menu is blocked out? Seems to only be happening with my 3.0 models, and the issue has only been happening since the last patch

Can anyone help me?

[soft portal]

is the game laggy at all today?

[hushed swan]

I'm wondering if any moderators or developers actually read these chats

[vocal shard]

no

Yeah they read chats but not all of the time.

[mystic yacht]

Lol no they rarely do

[hushed swan]

I just want to use the avatar I use as my main, and it doesn't really seem fair that a patch broke it and nobody is addressing it

[vocal shard]

wasnt the patch like from ... yesterday

Did you report the issue on the feedback site? They might not even be aware of it if not.

[hushed swan]

Can you please refer me to the site

[vocal shard]

Its near the bottom of the #faq

[pastel flower]

Its optional

Which were?

[ruby needle]

What exactly got worse?

So you're saying the game is unplayable, which is more then just a lie

!online

[floral flax]

There are 21453 users in VRChat currently

[ruby needle]

^at least i think that's more then 0 people playing

what is a "REAL" game?

[pastel flower]

Sidenote, VRC is a social app, nkt rlly a game, correct me if im wrong

[muted orbit]

What tf do you have in your pc to make it 5k

[ruby needle]

I dunno, but many many people play this game very well and don't crash every 45 seconds, neither every 45minuts of 4.5hours.

[pastel flower]

I play on quest just fine

[tall scroll]

I dont crash that much, I mean it happens but that’s just oculus being weird

[brazen thorn]

helloooo, forgive if its the wrong place for this, but im trying to get user status so I can explore some Avatar 3 unity stuff ive been working on, got around 8-10 hours on my account and still a visitor status, any chance someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

[pastel flower]

#avatar-help

[brazen thorn]

Also OP, vrchat has been rock solid for me and my computer isn't anything to write home about. could be your hardware configuration?

[brazen thorn]

much obliged

[deft girder]

I attend events with around 80 other people every weekend with a pretty normal higher line pc and I have no problems

[muted orbit]

I dont crash w 6 core, 16gb, 8gb video card could be an issue on local end

[languid beacon]

Wow we are over 20K

[pastel flower]

Not rlly

It runs fone even woth tons of bulky avatars which i always show

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard yet users still make the content any everything you see.

[pastel flower]

^^

[scenic hedge]

I've ran the game on different sets of hardware and performance since March and haven't had a single issue, from a laptop with integrated graphics to my Threadripper and Radeon VII build. Not once have I seen a single bug or issue with the game

[ruby needle]

Unity is not a engine that the VRChat dev's created.

Also, the content is one of the key factors these days.

[scenic hedge]

Ey man, quit insulting others and get off your soapbox

[ruby needle]

"SLI" well

[muted orbit]

Does sli work?

[hollow ingot]

Do ya play other Unity games that's like 99% user content?

[ruby needle]

SLI is useless, especially for VR. (And VRChat.)

It usually even hurts performance and bugs out things rather then help

[brazen thorn]

SLI doesn't exist if you have a semi-modern PC either

Unless you're referring to NVLink, which is also useless

[muted orbit]

Yeah I thought it was just for like designers and like 4-5 games MAYBE

[uncut cliff]

hey, quick question. If I'm having some account issues and I can't make any progress, who can I talk to or can someone point me in a direction for help?

[still lark]

What kind of issues?

[scenic hedge]

No, what I'm getting from this is that my $400 laptop can run vrc better than your $5000 desktop because you don't know how the game works or why you're having problems, in this case it's the SLI.

Your real problem is that you throw money at games and expect everything to magically work. That's what consoles are for, PC's will need you to tinker around and actually know what you're doing, which you don't.

[atomic yarrow]

Just like with Subnautica, it will come with some costs. Be ready to discuss with people outraged they can't do x y or z anymore in the name of optimization

[ruby needle]

It's sad that you seem to run into issues, but given your statements of super quick regular crashes i sadly think you need to find the cause at your own PC.

[uncut cliff]

Can't sign into sdk, vrc site, or vrc. I've already attempted to change password 3 times, but the email hasn't gone through.

[ruby needle]

VRChat sure can crash for some things, but literally crashing 45sec in all the time is absolutly not routine.

It's always easy to blame others the seek the fault at one self.

[scenic hedge]

I never mentioned vr, don't change the subject just because you don't want to accept that you're wrong

[uncut cliff]

so um..

[atomic yarrow]

I get stuck on loading screens every 3 or so servers I jump between and a lot of people just accept that as normal and recommend highly unrecommended fixes. Also VRChat can crash a lot of publics due to avatars made to crash it

[uncut cliff]

Ok, is the people with the vrchat team role people that work on the game?

aighty

welp guess I gotta look somewhere else for help then

[wicked kiln]

Is veteran the replacement for trusted?

[still lark]

no

[vocal shard]

You cannot simply turn down your settings to run with less latency?

[wicked kiln]

Hold shift while starting the program, it'll open the default unity control setup

[dim galleon]

Is anyone here experienced with making avatars, or at the least experienced with textures? I’m looking for someone that matches that for a clan in my mandalorian server

[vocal shard]

You must be a blast to talk to at parties

[uncut cliff]

Thanks, but that does not help my situation and you recommending I change game is not a helpful solution. I would like to just be pointed to somewhere where I can get some real answers.

[coarse chasm]

I will agree VRC has awful performance and lag; but even at 5 fps mine doesn't crash lol

The crashers also tend to stay in certain worlds

So just.. don't go to VRC hub basically

[wicked kiln]

My dude, take some time to relax. I understand you're upset, but fuming here won't help

[vocal shard]

they bailed lol

[coarse chasm]

or just make friends with the crashers, that's how I stay off the kill list lmao

[still lark]

@uncut cliff Well, ignoring the weird and angry person over there.
Have you tried using your email to login?
Are you sure your email is correct?

[wicked kiln]

I'm thinking they may have been banned

[coarse chasm]

Salty af

Nice seeing ya here Kasprr if you remember me xD

[uncut cliff]

I made sure. I tried both my user name and email just to be sure, but no luck. It's just kinda odd to me because I was trying to upload an ava, but I was just thinking sdk was timing out.

[vocal shard]

Ah yeah now the messages are removed for me also.

[still lark]

You know what's really funny? They're not even in the Chillout discord.

[vocal shard]

Waste of energy lol. All of that effort and time wasted.

[coarse chasm]

Lmao

[still lark]

@uncut cliff What's your email's domain?
Also you'd be best following #vrchat-support us normal users can only do so much. :P

[uncut cliff]

I'm thinking about making a ticket. my domain is gmail. lol it's all good, thank you for tryin though :)

[vocal shard]

I just turn my SS off, my motion smothing off and that stopped a lot of lag for me just doing that. Sure its not perfect but its better than dropping frames all of the time.

[vocal shard]

feedback site located near the bottom of #faq if you need it

[coarse chasm]

How do you turn those off

oh, in SteamVR?

[uncut cliff]

Thank you for the notice :)

[vocal shard]

SteamVR if you are in VR

[coarse chasm]

Ah, yeha my computer is completely busted rn, can't run VR without lag unless I run it at 0.2 (20%) resolution

any game, and even then I still lag a good bit

Only a few months ago I was running the recommended 80% fine without hiccupt

Everything is broken for me rn

[vocal shard]

That sounds rough man... :c
I was getting terrible performance because I was playing around with terrible settings in the advanced gpu menu for nvidia...

[green creek]

oof

[faint skiff]

@coarse chasm Check temps for the CPU and GPU.

[coarse chasm]

With what uwu

[faint skiff]

Anything really, MSI Afterburner is good for GPUs.

[tardy plaza]

Hey, I was wondering Will vrchat Ever bring back the map Called steal’n gold?

[coarse chasm]

It still exists

It just died, new games came out

[twin fractal]

I think they took it down around when udon came out

[rapid cedar]

Does VRChat+ increase how quickly you rank up or does it straight up kick you up a few ranks?

[sharp saddle]

It's a miniscule one-time boost, like uploading a world or something

[twin fractal]

one time boost

[rapid cedar]

oooh good, I was worried people would just pay 10$ to spam nasty avatars, sounds reasonable then. thanks guys!

[copper portal]

Sounds rather silly, but how do I rank up my trust when I have no knowledge of making avatars, or worlds for that matter. I have been playing for a reasonably long time, have made friends etc, but am still a 'New User'. Is there no way to progress up the trust ladder without making something?

[hollow ingot]

Hundreds of "play" time... got me to trusted without avatars/worlds.

[rapid cedar]

It's a huge mystery, yeah. At some point I started ranking up simply because I stopped trying to rank up and actually played the game

[hollow ingot]

I've also roamed filled worlds/instances frequently.

[rapid cedar]

There are a bunch of variables, like how my account that is usually a mute and did stay in a single world took way longer to rank up than the one where I use my mic and roam. Just mess around and you'll rank up in no time

[daring raft]

If you buy 1 month of vrc+ do you get to keep badge forever?

[rapid cedar]

I assume so, yeah

[hollow ingot]

My "instance keeper" acc probably has more hours. They don't do much but they still ranked up to User.

[rapid cedar]

Hours do make a huge difference, yeah. I'm sure you'd be even higher ranked if you actually did play the game as intended with that account, though

[hollow ingot]

That's the least of my worries as that account is running from a secondary PC... My internet seems to have a hiccup or actual problem every other day, and then there are the vrc updates... both ruining the instance keeper's efforts

[echo gulch]

It can't be me but VRChat takes an eternity to load stuff right now, anyone else running into huge lag or slow time issues?

I tried clearing my cache and it didn't really make a change except load even longer because I have nothing in my cache!

[green creek]

well yea, the cache is to make it easier on you and your computer to load into worlds

[echo gulch]

had to clear it anyway

regardless of loading times

[pure sandal]

i need help with something in vr chat

[stray pewter]

This game has a way bigger player base than I thought lol

[pure sandal]

I need help

with controls

[oblique meadow]

Just me or this new update just has me lagging like 10x more than before

[echo gulch]

I'm having the same issue

avatar is not loading at all for me

[soft portal]

i noticed my ping increase by 400

[oblique meadow]

For me its just lag spikes and huge fps decrease

And its not like I have a poor system

[small wing]

Either its the update, or somehow more people than usual are not optimizing their avatars.

Its been pretty much the same amount of performance for me since the last few updates.

[uncut cliff]

wow, I figured out what happened to my account. Ay yo is there a dev or something in here I can pm? I'm actually mad

fml

I just saw something where someone requested to change the email to my acct

I don't even know how someone was able to request that and approve it. That's two different sign-ins they need to go through

[echo gulch]

so after some attempts playing I was just disconnected twice and my ping went up to 515

[sharp saddle]

#vrchat-support

[uncut cliff]

I sent a ticket earlier, I'm just kinda wishing they'd email back quickly so I can get my acct back.

[sharp saddle]

Everything happens in its own time.

[dark flower]

Is anyone else crashing or getting disconnected cause I was trying to hang out with my friend and I keep crashing

[echo gulch]

I'm not crashing but I keep disconnecting

happened the other day too

[uncut cliff]

Found them

I have a friend with only me as his friend

Not only did they change the name, I can see that they have my personal world that I built from scratch.

[green creek]

hooray?

[uncut cliff]

now just to wait for vrchat to email me back so I can send them a screenshot

[pure sandal]

Can i move my hands and stuff on kbm

or no

ping me when u give me the answer

[echo gulch]

Kbm?

[atomic yarrow]

Keyboard and mouse

Built into the game, none I'm aware of. Might be some weird vr controller emulator out there?

[echo gulch]

Hand movements are for VR only afaik

[sharp saddle]

No.

[pure sandal]

oof

[winter cedar]

If you have two mice connected then it works

Not well but it works.

[green creek]

what the hell

[echo gulch]

update I did the cmd trick and it worked fine but now I keep crashing when going into public worlds after 5 minutes or so

so that's progress

[vocal shard]

Who’s drinking?

[scenic fern]

So..

Do we know what the money that the devs gets from Plus will go towards besides servers?

[sharp saddle]

More than likely payrolls for the devs to add cool new things?

[scenic fern]

Hopefully

[vocal shard]

does anyone know where to find a mannequin jumscae avatar

[proper grail]

Anyone know a world or multiple worlds with 3.0 avatars? Preferably with abilities like Climbing or flying? I saw someone who had a cute little animal avatar that could climb anywhere with his hands

[echo gulch]

my ping is now over 2000 holy crap lmao

[crude inlet]

Anyone experiencing invite glitches? Where you have to restart your game just to get invites....

[vocal shard]

hey guys i just downloaded it but not sure how it fully works

could someone maybe lend me a hand

[sharp saddle]

Sure, I'll help.

[narrow hamlet]

do the staff plan to make custom nameplates? like so you can change the color to the old purple or something like that?

[sharp saddle]

Oof.

[sharp saddle]

Hiiiiighly doubtful.

[cedar fern]

hi

im new to vrchat

[sharp saddle]

Welcome.

[golden scaffold]

There's always room for us to do cool stuff with it in the future. Feel free to post on our Canny if you have any suggestions!

[hallow zealot]

i seem to have a problem. i cant remove worlds that were deleted from my favorites. and neither add new worlds to my favorites. did anyone faced this problem?

[harsh crystal]

I like the new nameplate design, it did admittedly take me by surprise and a small time to adjust, but now it looks more sleek. I'd love to see more done to the customisability, maybe if user ranks are staying implement them more visibly into the plate itself vs bringing up the menu to see them

[golden scaffold]

Glad you're liking them! As a reminder, you can also adjust their Opacity / Size and their visibility through your Action Menu. The idea to remove Trust Ranks from being visibly displayed was a deliberate decision, but that doesn't mean we can't do more with it in the future. We're definitely open to feedback there!

[vocal shard]

[harsh crystal]

Oh i never knew that was an option if I'm honest! I'll look into that next time I'm on. I have mixed feelings about the ranks being more hidden, but that's more so because it's a more noticeable change. Ultimately I think it'll be healthier for the game as ranks can change someone's perspective on another person

[golden scaffold]

You probably want to reach out to Support if you're experiencing issues deleting any favorites.

[hallow zealot]

oh yeah and i think the trust rank identification should be returned too 😁 like changing the name color as they are with friends, so the same with white for visitor, blue for new user, etc

hmm... i never had this problem. is there support on discord or should i send through the vrchat site?

[golden scaffold]

There's definitely going to be an adjustment period for sometime, I think. I'm personally really happy about it because ranks only really matter if I'm looking for them specifically which I can still access if I open the Quick Menu and look above a user's nameplate.

The Safety System automatically applies adjustments based on rank in the background, so there isn't much of a reason for me to constantly see them.

[golden scaffold]

https://help.vrchat.com/new/

[hallow zealot]

thanks!

[vocal shard]

Yeah I'm happy they're hidden by default now unless you open the menu. That was one thing I hoped for when it first launched

[sharp saddle]

0% opacity is best opacity.

[harsh crystal]

I feel you on that, and that makes perfect sense, there's a concern I have with VRC+ going forward. While I'll continue to support VRC with a sub to VRC+ I'm worried certain features will be locked off from non paying members. Things like more avatar slots is fine, but something more noticeable like the new player icons personally I feel should be available to all. I might be alone in thinking that, and that's okay, I just don't want someone feeling like they NEED to pay to get the full experience

[golden scaffold]

I totally understand this opinion. Ultimately, the primary customization we're giving you access to (mostly unhindered) is your avatar. The team tries really hard to prevent much of any restriction there as long it meets TOS and we also don't really restrict your uploads. The icon is an extra perk that doesn't prevent you from having that same experience. You can upload the same avatars, upload the same worlds, visit the same worlds, etc.

Your core experience in VRChat will always improve whether you're paying for a sub or not.

[obtuse raft]

having an issue where an avatar I have favorited isn't unfavoriting. would I make a ticket to report this issue? how can I get this resolved?

[arctic perch]

@vocal shard

Hi\

[still lark]

Wait 24hr then see if still broken then send ticket

[golden scaffold]

It's possible the author may have taken down the avatar. If you're experiencing issues with it after sometime, definitely feel free to reach out to us with a ticket.

[golden scaffold]

Not sure if this was intended for me, but hello anyways!

[harsh crystal]

That's reassuring to know, I'll 100% be keeping my sub regardless, when i first got into vrc earlier this year I was legit stunned how the game was free so I'm glad i can support the game going forward

[obtuse raft]

I'm just finding this weird, because I can still change into and use this avatar like normal

[golden scaffold]

We really appreciate that. The intention is to continue to move forward with keeping VRChat (as always!) and provide extra perks for anyone that would like to support VRChat, but we'll provide updates like the UI update we're working on for everyone.

[golden scaffold]

Probably worth a ticket, no reason it should be causing you so much difficulty but favorites can admittedly be a bit funky.

[harsh crystal]

I saw the tease for the new invite system and that looks so exciting!

[golden scaffold]

It'll be fun! There's definitely more in the works.

[harsh crystal]

you know something that we don't, leak it! I promise I won't tell anyone 😛

[golden scaffold]

[vocal shard]

[mighty cradle]

alright so

suggestion regarding the nameplates

1: how about a colored border, like the old ones? so that trust can be determined at a glance

[harsh crystal]

[mighty cradle]

beyond this, have the background be black, or a customizable color versus what would be white text

this would by far increase the nameplate contrast

which, in darker rooms, was certainly a big plus on the old ones

[vocal shard]

But, the point was to remove the trust being in people's face

[mighty cradle]

these are sorely lacking contrast

now i have to press a key to do it

which is kinda silly

again, this could just be an option

[fierce pasture]

‘Off topic but anyone know of some good quest friendly drinking worlds? Was gonna meet up w a friend virtually and give it a go

[golden scaffold]

Trust is still pretty visible by opening your menu up, but the point of it is to work alongside our Safety System which it'll continue to do in the background. Opinions regarding contrast or giving them more color / personality are cool though! There's definitely room us to do things there.

[harsh crystal]

ooh good question I think "drinking night" is quest compatible I might be wrong.

depends what type of world you're after though

[atomic yarrow]

If you want to see everyone's trust, you still can. Removing it is a good thing though to generally discourage an extremely unnecessary and toxic sense of classism

[fierce pasture]

One on one entertainment for the most part but open to meet some new folks

[mighty cradle]

i honestly find immediate trust visibility a good thing

[atomic yarrow]

I don't. Make your case

[mighty cradle]

i can vaguely, in public worlds, remember the makeup of a group by the amount of tags of each color without even lookinga t names

[harsh crystal]

I'll load up on desktop now and have a look, I have some friends on quest so I know a few worlds

[mighty cradle]

club andromeda is your answer

[atomic yarrow]

You can also remember the makeup by seeing their names and avatars and just identifying people. Identifying them by their hours past grey is dumb.

[fierce pasture]

Dude nice. You don’t have to go through the trouble! I appreciate ya regardless!

[mighty cradle]

i attended a massive (several hours) after party, but currently no instances

@atomic yarrow i render nobody but friends

everyone else is a robot

[harsh crystal]

I'm not exactly doing anything right now, waiting for 8am to roll around to see if i can get a haircut appointment for today

[mighty cradle]

and names aren't an at-a-glance-thing like colors are

[fierce pasture]

Hopping in now also, gonna try to search for ‘drinking’ in the search and see what comes up

[atomic yarrow]

Ok, then you choose to identify but names. That's a personal decision on you

[mighty cradle]

honest

[fierce pasture]

Cheers!

[mighty cradle]

what i mean is colors are a more at-a-glance thing

easier to glance and look away and vaguely remember what colors i saw

rather than a list of names

[atomic yarrow]

Are you advocating to just let people customize their name tag with whatever color they want? Because I guess that's ok

[mighty cradle]

i'm advocating offering an option to display trust as a border color on nametags

[harsh crystal]

"The black cat" is good, I met some good people in there on my 2nd day of vr who i actively still talk to. "Room of the rain" Is currently my home world if you like to chill out

[mighty cradle]

still waiting on quest moody

[atomic yarrow]

If you don't accept just letting people pick their color while arguing you just want an identifier, you're dodging your true intentions

[mighty cradle]

the black cat is fun, but not a full on club environment

[atomic yarrow]

You're not arguing for identifiability, you're arguing for a reinstating of classism

[harsh crystal]

when you're on have a look at the "active cross platform" tab too, there's some fun games in there for when you've had a few especially in VR

[mighty cradle]

@atomic yarrow the true intentions are: i can look somewhere for a fraction of a second, and even if there is a literal pile of unreadable nametags, i can still see the border colors, take a mental note of that, and look away and carry on about my day

[atomic yarrow]

You can do that with customizable colors

You're pushing for classism

[mighty cradle]

but then i would have to spend time customizing colors for everyone

costing me several, maybe 10 seconds, versus less than 10 times that

[harsh crystal]

true, i suppose it all depends on the ultimate goal, if you're looking to rave/dance etc then sure, if you're looking to drink and chill there's so many worlds i know of but i don't know if they're quest compatible

[atomic yarrow]

I'm sure people would be happy to pick their own colors they like

And then you can identify quickly

[mighty cradle]

that is if people decide to use said system, and that it is provided to everyone

if you have a group of all non-vrc+, then that's just as monotone as currently

[atomic yarrow]

If they added it, I'm sure people would be happy to, I'd set mine to my favorite color, orange

[mighty cradle]

@harsh crystal which is why i suggested andromeda

@atomic yarrow i'd probably be a purplish blue, but this means the feature has to be free

[atomic yarrow]

I'm ok with making it free, let's push for that then

[mighty cradle]

the literal easiest way to implement this, even if in only a hacky sense without needing to actually add a color picker, is allowing users to see trust colors on nameplate borders

until such a system would be in place

[atomic yarrow]

No

Making users see trust instantly comes with a ton of terrible implications

[mighty cradle]

no what? so implementing a color picker and then the ability to color borders is faster than literally implementing only the latter and linking it to a value on your account, which takes maybe 30 seconds to do in code versus days?

yes, the terrible implications you're going into remain terrible implications purely because clients exist, and trust is visible at all

the classist implications aren't automagically cured or removed by making trust invisible without the menu

as a bonus: i've never even been victim, or part of, anything of the sort

i've eben playing for 5k hours, public and private

[arctic elm]

i personally dont get why everyone is so scared of class wars in vrc because of trust rank. ive never actually seen it happen. i just want my pretty border back lmao

[gray edge]

i really dont care about trust and i used to hide it until vrchat broke that feature but it made it easier to tell users apart

[arctic elm]

yeah i cant tell my friends apart from others now because the yellow text isnt clear enough

[atomic yarrow]

The idea of this "See people at a glance" benefit does not outweigh the terrible attitude people form over "Oh well I see you only spent 60 hours in this game, I only talk to people who spend 100+"

[gray edge]

custom color picker would be nice tho

it would be even more awesome if you could use that color in avatars 3.0 for color changing avatars

[atomic yarrow]

And yes, I've seen that happen a lot, in fact people just yesterday were blatantly saying just that yesterday

[arctic elm]

i've never seen it happen. and if someone is being like that, block them. why would you want to talk to someone like that regardless of the system being in the game or not?

[mighty cradle]

where are you running into people saying that?

[atomic yarrow]

The game encourages it with the color classifications. I'm glad you haven't but I can grab a ton from just this discord chat alone

[mighty cradle]

i've literally never ran into them in my entire 6k hours

encourages

[atomic yarrow]

Yes

[mighty cradle]

whut?

[atomic yarrow]

There's no other reason for a system like that

[mighty cradle]

then why did vrc implement it?

[atomic yarrow]

Because they had a dumb idea

And now it's in the background because it was a dumb idea

[mighty cradle]

why did vrc intentionally cause a class war?

amd "just yestersday"

yes, and "just yestersday" the update was applied that was supposed to magically solve the class war

[arctic elm]

removes trust rank border
adds massive user icon that you have to pay $10 for

[delicate perch]

war?

[mighty cradle]

lo and behold, by your own evidence, it did precisely nothing to solve it

[delicate perch]

thats kinda dramatic, no?

[deft girder]

The main reason it was implemented was to stop people who just got banned from straight after making a new account and uploading more malicious content.

Which it works for

[arctic elm]

I've had someone compare a purple border not talking to a visitor to irl racism so idk, I think people just need to grow some thicker skin and just not talk to jerks

[atomic yarrow]

That only works going from grey to blue. An on or off

[mighty cradle]

now here's the thing

[atomic yarrow]

Instead we have a tiered system

[mighty cradle]

with the malicious content thing, if you need blue to upload it and prevent those from who just made new accounts to continue their shit

[deft girder]

Yeah that's true but also the different things that can be used maliciously are in different tiers.

[mighty cradle]

what's to prevent them dunking ten dollars onto that account, instantly get blue, and just keep doing it?

[harsh crystal]

With me I talked to people regardless of what rank they had. I saw it as nothing more than a "I've put X amount of hours into the game" or "i've uploaded my own avatar/world"

[mighty cradle]

since it seems to have taken someone to orange

[harsh crystal]

but, i have seen people in higher tiered ranks judge someone in green and lower

[delicate perch]

funny enough, this whole thing is exactly what Second Life when through a decade ago

[harsh crystal]

it's not often

[deft girder]

Well then they need to keep spending 10 dollars every time which is not really sustainable long term

[vocal shard]

Yo what's going on with the vote to kick never working anymore? Just says there's too little people or unable to start a vote to kick.

[mighty cradle]

you'd be honestly surprised what they'll do @deft girder

[delicate perch]

i really wanna see if VRChat can do better cause you would think they would being a decade later

[mighty cradle]

also, speaking of trust

[arctic elm]

I've seen more hate toward quest or desktop users than i have rank, because rank literally does not matter to 99% of people when they talk to someone lol

[mighty cradle]

whut? no spamming? excuse me?

[delicate perch]

no spamming

[atomic yarrow]

Hasn't really stopped greys from bombing servers with crash avatars.

[harsh crystal]

it's a bot, it picked you up for something but idk

[mighty cradle]

i literally pasted a short text file with s around it

[deft girder]

I mean sure I've been in the game for long enough to see plenty. But those two steps are pretty big put down for keeping it up long term.

[mighty cradle]

i've seen ire against quest users, and the reverse

[vocal shard]

Probably all the spaces

[atomic yarrow]

You and I have the complete opposite experiences here. I see very very little for like "What do you use" and a lot of just "Ugh, it's a blue"

[mighty cradle]

but never have i seen ire, only heard of it, in terms of trust

[delicate perch]

the whole vrchat+ thing was enviable

[golden scaffold]

I've been pretty onboard with understanding your feedback lately Vivi, but this one's a very subjective opinion.

[delicate perch]

facebook and vive (from what i was told) pulled out, i could be wrong, but VRChat as a company would have to make money some how to keep the servers alive, they dont run on pixey magic after all 😛

[mighty cradle]

sad pixie noises

[arctic elm]

Yeah, I'm sure I've had a different experience than you.

[vocal shard]

Rank should not be visible ever again in the form of a color, it should've never even been a thing to begin with, separating people based on colors was a bad idea, I am glad to see it gone, ofc you can still hit escape or hover over someone but that's not as obvious as the nameplates.

Overall, I'd say a majority of older users are for this change

[delicate perch]

tbh me personally i dont really use public avatars unless they are like Halo or something fun, i mostly prefer to be my own creation, and icons are meh at best, so atm i dont really see a reason to get VRChat+ but if more was added, more to play with, i would be happy to fund something like VRChat

[atomic yarrow]

Just yesterday someone argued colors should stick around because:
"you say that but your subconcious is already telling you orange/purple=good and blue/white=bad"

[vocal shard]

Ikr, that's why I am so happy about this change

[arctic elm]

It is my opinion, I don't mean to say it's objective, it's just 99% of what I've witnessed. I don't personally see the big deal about ranks, but I primarily just want a pretty nametag because I like pretty colors. It doesn't have to be rank. I'm just arguing for rank because I like, or at least don't see the evil in a rank system.

[harsh crystal]

I've seen people get meme'd on for being on desktop in a room filled with vr users but its never with malicious intent

[delicate perch]

impo, the rank system is whats keep 99% of trolls on a short leash

[meager solstice]

Not really

[vocal shard]

The rank system is still in the game, it's just not as obvious now

[wheat ginkgo]

[sharp saddle]

Oh no.

[mighty cradle]

whatever i do, i treat user through trusted the same in any of my custom settings, knowing people can change back and forth

[delicate perch]

obliviously you cant stop ways around it, of course someone trying hard enough can get by it

[arctic elm]

How am I being a snowflake lmao, am I satan for liking pretty colors?

[delicate perch]

i too like pretty colors 😄

[mighty cradle]

however, all groups get identical treatment from me in terms of the performance focus i have

[meager solstice]

To go along with the name tag thing, pretty sure they working on a customize option, aren’t they?

[rapid karma]

1 it’s not gone, 2 I don’t think it was a bad idea but the only people it would have effected is the ones who are egotistical and 3 i think it helped foster a sense of achievement when you ranked up it wasn’t that bad

[atomic yarrow]

You rejected my idea of picking colors, it wouldn't be a hard to implement.

[meager solstice]

Ranks r kinda dumb tbh

[arctic elm]

Like, I'm just saying my opinion respectfully. Can we please resist calling people names?

[vocal shard]

I like pretty colors too, but I enjoy the superior new nameplates far more than the old boxes.
@rapid karma Yes, that's what I am saying, I was explaining it to that dude that it is not gone.

[mighty cradle]

the new ones are better, tech wise, by a lightyear

but they're not all sunshine

[golden scaffold]

This is where I think we can agree. Here's the right way to think about it: the new nameplates are a refreshed change and very much the first iteration of something we can expand in the future. Ranks aren't needed to color them, but we can find different ways to make them cool and fun.

[vocal shard]

Though I do not agree that people should be separated based on colors in a social game

[arctic elm]

I did not resist that idea, I actually said I'd even pay for that feature last night. That was somebody else, I jumped in the convo shortly after that

[delicate perch]

well i bought a month and got a month free, i giving them till the end of it to impress me, no offense to VRChat, just atm its kinda lack luster

[wheat ginkgo]

Colours/ranks should not become prevalent on username tags, VRChat is just a social game, Isolating out people with special colours applys a form of "special treatment" Which seems unfair, I belive the system is Perfect as it is

[delicate perch]

VRChat+ "could" be the best thing since sliced bread, but atm its not

[atomic yarrow]

Oh, I apologize, was thinking of the wrong person

[mighty cradle]

power-mad suggested a custom color system as a method of personalization

[golden scaffold]

Those ideas are really cool!

[mighty cradle]

honestly, that's fine, and would make things even less monotone than they were

[delicate perch]

like color code your friends?

[vocal shard]

Things were far better when everyone's nameplates looked the same back in the day, so it returning to that now is nothing but great.
But the ability to maybe customize your nameplate with colors is nice and something I would expect coming down the line.

[untold willow]

I dont really see how the current implementation of Performance and Safety settings could work without the Rank system.

[mighty cradle]

however! @golden scaffold if such a custom color picker were to be implemented, make it available to every player, free included

[golden scaffold]

I think generally, it's a good idea to get away from wanting nameplates to be colored with rank. Rank is important because of the Safety System.

[delicate perch]

lol, "Your a blue friend, and your a red friend, and your a pink friend" i like it 😄

[mighty cradle]

@delicate perch more like just have a fun rainbow

[arctic elm]

Yeah, I think people are holding onto me liking or being okay with ranks as being pro-hate on lower ranks. I was just excited to get purple soon because it's my fav color. my friend just got trusted and was super sad because they were looking forward to showing off their fav color too

[meager solstice]

@delicate perch I mean I don’t know why u bought a month then, they have highlighted what is it and like 1 feature that will come. It is lack luster,

[rapid karma]

Can I ask why they are almost rainbow coloured isntstead of one solid colour?

[meager solstice]

What r u on about?

[delicate perch]

Time will tell and its 10 buckaroos, so like less than a pizza

[arctic elm]

Again, I don't care about rank. I just like the achievement at worst, and pretty colors at best. I don't want special treatment, and don't treat others differently

[harsh crystal]

I've never seen a rank higher than purple, is purple the highest or is there a secret rank for people like @golden scaffold 😉

[meager solstice]

Only time I see more stuff included in vrc+ is when the new ui comes out

[wheat ginkgo]

Clearly you are speaking otherwise in your canny post.

[delicate perch]

i do know red is for Devs as VR Pill was red when i met him

[mighty cradle]

that secret rank used to be red, and developer

[delicate perch]

nice guy btw

[untold willow]

There is the color of friendship which is yellow 🙂

[golden scaffold]

Purple's a badass color and I'm sorry the change happened while you and your friend were looking forward to getting purple. Again, there's many suggestions going around for us to provide cool ways to customize it in the future, so that may be something we can explore. 🙂 I've got your Canny link saved so I'm definitely reading any opinions that come in there.

[harsh crystal]

oh yeah! Yellow is best colour

[delicate perch]

Yellow makes me want cheese for some reason >.>

[waxen nova]

yellow is my fav :D

[untold willow]

And friendship trumps all ^_^

[mighty cradle]

i want fancy cheese

oh, also, i dove into the registry for the trust levels

@golden scaffold what is local actually used for?

[golden scaffold]

wait, what?

[mighty cradle]

ie LocalPlayer

[wheat ginkgo]

Riot time, Is the new friends colour, Gold, or yellow? 🤨

[meager solstice]

No clue what he was referring to

[untold willow]

They are referring to why are there colors for ranks and not all the same color

[mighty cradle]

i'm referring to the in-registry trust levels

and i'm asking what the LocalPlayer trust level is actually used for

because it does not affect myself

yes, i edited the settings by hand to test

[golden scaffold]

Oh, can't say what the design philosophy back when Trust was introduced as I wasn't working for VRChat back then, but I'd imagine it was probably to help differentiate on nameplates back then. Lots has happened since then though and the team has learned a lot about how to move forward with things, hence, the new nameplates.

[mighty cradle]

The trust levels are still present though?

[meager solstice]

Yes they r

[arctic elm]

I'm being insulted for having an opinion in my canny post. I'll clarify again, unless they add a system where everyone can customize their border color, or vrc+ subs can customize, I would prefer the rank border come back compared to the bland nametags now. I've said multiple times on canny that I don't treat other ranks differently, and I have not witnessed people doing so either. I'm not advocating for hate or something, it's purely cosmetic, and a bit of an achievement.

[mighty cradle]

I'll just recheck my registry.

[harsh crystal]

I feel like back then it was more so "hey thanks for supporting our game with your time and content, here's a rank to showcase your loyalty"

[meager solstice]

@mighty cradle trust levels r used for saftey settings

[mighty cradle]

@meager solstice i am not referring to that, hold up nd i will post an imgur link

[wheat ginkgo]

"I worked very hard for my nametag to be a pretty color, and I like being able to see people's trust rank from their nametag."
"I like being able to see people's trust rank"

[mighty cradle]

the registry holds 18 different trust levels

including four nuisance levels

and the veteran/legend/etc trust ranks in the registry are actually unused

[delicate perch]

what are those for?

[wheat ginkgo]

Legacy ranks, Gones now

[delicate perch]

ah

[wheat ginkgo]

It was when the rank system came into place

[mighty cradle]

legacy?

[meager solstice]

I mean u can still get legacy and stuff, just hidden in api

[vocal shard]

Veteran was a visible rank for a while on the beta but got removed before the system went live

[mighty cradle]

was there a previous iteration?

safe mode actually still changes its value

[vocal shard]

Cuz it was a "special snowflake" kind of thing back then

[meager solstice]

Veteran was the only one, got removed cuz people didn’t like it

[mighty cradle]

hmm

[waxen nova]

i remember seeing someone with the “nuisance” rank and i was confused ahah

[wheat ginkgo]

Yeah, veteran was real before release, People went out on a rage about not having it, so it was exchanged for friends to prevent snowflakes falling everywhere

[arctic elm]

I'm looking forward to the UI overhaul. I def love how the new tags look, hold for the lack of a border. I don't mean to come across as rude or anything btw, I might be a bit defensive because I've been insulted by multiple people for stating my opinion. I'm totally open to change and I can't wait for some new fancy stuff in the future

[mighty cradle]

by default, nuisances have everything disabled

but the registry editor actually allows you to manually change values

which begs another question

[meager solstice]

@wheat ginkgo that’s not what happened at all

[mighty cradle]

@golden scaffold why do developers have a default of everything enabled, even in safe mode?

[meager solstice]

It got removed because the community felt it made no senses amongst the other trust ranks

Just look at all the names of all the other ranks veteran was the odd ball out

[wheat ginkgo]

Yeah, Snowflakes

[mighty cradle]

what color did it have?

[wheat ginkgo]

Yellow

It replaced friends

[mighty cradle]

and friends used to be...?

[wheat ginkgo]

Veteran

[mighty cradle]

oh, it used to be fused?

[golden scaffold]

Give us time. 🙂 I've been following your thoughts for sometime in the Discord, Vivi! and I completely understand what you're advocating for. We don't want rank to color things, but that doesn't mean we can't do more to make the nameplates prettier. Don't be afraid to speak your mind.

[meager solstice]

It was purple

[vocal shard]

Yeah I do remember there was an uproar back then about the veteran rank, it wasn't as big the the vrc+ uproar but I do recall it.

No, Veteran was yellow back then

[arctic elm]

I did work hard to get where I am, so it's a bit sad to see it gone now. Yes, I like seeing people's trust rank from their tag for a few reasons, one of them is not to discriminate. Notice how I've constantly mentioned my desire for a pretty nametag? I'm use to seeing a pretty border based on rank, so that's the first place my mind went to, the pretty is gone, bring it back how it was. Maybe that's not the best solution, and we should change it to a better one. Opinions can change

[wheat ginkgo]

vistor>new user>user>known>trusted>vet

[mighty cradle]

but veteran and friends were the same, code wise?

[wheat ginkgo]

Am not how you "worked" For your rank in a soical game lol

[mighty cradle]

ie: fused?

[vocal shard]

Friends didnt have a particular color back then, Veteran was yellow

[wheat ginkgo]

What'd you do, pay people to be your friends 🤣

[wheat ginkgo]

No, it was moved up, so it still exisits but not visable ingame, over api

[mighty cradle]

ohhh, gotchu

[wheat ginkgo]

They didn't/couldn't complety remove it

[mighty cradle]

that was to the friends not being colored

[arctic elm]

I played the game a bunch, had a bunch of fun, made some avatars and worlds. I was trying to be a little humorous and sarcastic in the canny post. I apologize if it came across differently

[grim brook]

Is it just me or is vrchat using way more graphic resources than it should after the update?

[vocal shard]

It was basically mainly people who had a public world that got it back then, one friend of mine got veteran in the beta but it was removed

[wheat ginkgo]

So you just, Played the game, Thats all

[devout dock]

vets tag didnt last very long it was quickly replaced as a friend tag well the color was the vet and legend tag info is in the api still

[vocal shard]

Yeah it was removed really fast

[arctic elm]

Yes, that's the joke lol

[harsh crystal]

hey guess what

[wheat ginkgo]

I've seen the system_legend get removed from a couple people out of the blue

[devout dock]

u can lose rank

[meager solstice]

yes

U be bad.... lose ur rank

[harsh crystal]

I'm a purple boooi! Where's my flood of friend requests? 😉

I'm just teasing lol

[devout dock]

rank is a weird system of hours and things u do and people u have added

[wheat ginkgo]

I've never seen the system_legend disapper since it doesn't exisit

[devout dock]

ez to get and ez to lose

[vocal shard]

You can lose rank by unfriending a lot of people too

[devout dock]

yep

[vocal shard]

Happened to me twice

[oblique frigate]

uhhh help, im stuck in afk mode

[arctic elm]

Just wanted to say I appreciate all your guy's hard work. vrc continues to impress me every day and it's great to see y'all so active in discord and paying attention to feedback to make the game better. and sorry for arguing in your chat the past few days lol

[oblique frigate]

i installed this one streaming thing and now my vr is utterly fucked

[vocal shard]

F

[meager solstice]

What streaming thing

[oblique frigate]

"LIV"

[golden scaffold]

❤️

[meager solstice]

Never heard of it

[wheat ginkgo]

Just disable it in steamvr addons

[oblique frigate]

i tried uninstalling it

[golden scaffold]

No need to apologize for voicing your opinion!

[meager solstice]

@golden scaffold u guys still plan on doing twitch dev updates? For bigger updates?

[arctic elm]

❤️

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, I hope!

[devout dock]

even tho i dont mind the new tags besides the awful yellow text for friends and poor choice for the text font ( hard to read) the way the rank system was kinda acted both a a way to seperate people into groups which was problematic for a month or so and good as a way for people wanting to do things to get it up as in making friends and creating content. feels like vrchat almost took a step backwards again

[harsh crystal]

Extreme ron swanson voice good question, answer!

😛

[meager solstice]

We just haven’t one in a long time, figure I would ask

[devout dock]

is the new tags more optimized? i was hearing the old tags took alot of mats or somthing to make

[meager solstice]

Probably

[golden scaffold]

They definitely require a lot of effort to put together and for us to find the right things to talk about, but we're heading in the right direction for us to do more of that.

[meager solstice]

good to know

[mighty cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/i8HUMaz.png

[harsh crystal]

yo spark what time is it for you right now?

[golden scaffold]

11:57PM - Mountain Time!

[rapid karma]

Has an achievement system been thought of before like “first avatar uploaded” or “first world uploaded” and after the basics things like “world creator” or avatar collector” or “avatar uploader”
Bouncing off that idea I’d also like to ask is there a possibility for people who have personally created worlds or avatars via whatever program to be able to add onto their social in game profile system ( not the quick look and click I mean the social panel ) in vrchat a little icon or piece of text where you it could be displayed something like “avatar/world creator” or there could be an image for both
Would it also be possible to include hours spent in game on their social profile, I guess what I’m getting at is a bit off a social profile ui refresh @golden scaffold

[ashen thistle]

My vrchat hasn’t been working since the new update •w•’

[mighty cradle]

note the mountain of trust levels in there

[harsh crystal]

Damn! it's 06:57 over here, my body is waaay to used to working nights so i don't sleep

[mighty cradle]

hello there brit

[harsh crystal]

fellow brit?

@mighty cradle

[mighty cradle]

naw, iceland, gmt0 permanently

[harsh crystal]

OH! nice, always found it weird that your country is called iceland and there's no snow/ice meanwhile greenland is always snow lol

[golden scaffold]

Achievement Systems are really tricky for a social game, but I personally think Badges are a good first step for us in that direction. We'd like to head towards it carefully!

Also, helping identify Avatar / World Creators and giving them more opportunities to showoff their awesome creations is a really awesome idea. I know there's a lot of thinking on the team for doing more there.

[meager solstice]

I would like to see some steam cards and more steam point store stuff, like backgrounds for steam profiles.

[mighty cradle]

we're seeing a massive wave of cold

worst in i believe 8 years?

[rapid karma]

Would it be a good idea to post this on canny?

[golden scaffold]

These are really cool ideas. Before I forget 'em, definitely post them on our Canny so we can keep track, yeah!

[meager solstice]

^ probably

[devout dock]

are the vrchat plus stuff static or do u lose what was uploaded ? and is it allowed to do shader magic to make your own tags as long as it doesnt impersonate anyone i couldnt find anything in the tos less i missed it.

[harsh crystal]

yeah it's cold here too, i'm considering getting some slippers for when i'm up late

[mighty cradle]

also, first thing i do on basically any install in the registry is to zero out everything on developers

whether it breaks tos or not, i wanna learn c# for the sole purpose of making a security only client

[meager solstice]

@devout dock the vrc+ stuff effect anything that u uploaded?

[mighty cradle]

ie: implementing ideas of mine that i have to try to solve safety problems i see as rampant

[devout dock]

i mean the tag

that u upload image does it disapear

[mighty cradle]

and perhaps provide some code for vrc team to study once i have all of this stuff written

[golden scaffold]

Don't do anything using shader magic that misrepresents VRChat's functionality at it's core. Recommend reading through our TOS and Community Guidelines.

[mighty cradle]

as for shader stuff, I wanted to write an emulator in shaders, and attach that to avatars

[golden scaffold]

Our FAQ talks more about what happens when your subscription lapses (https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq).

[devout dock]

so cant alter colors and cant add objects to avatars to add on to the tags?

[mighty cradle]

funny thing: all the talk of resizable BARs would be a compatibility barrier to older systems, so I would actually have to check for it somehow

@golden scaffold how would i do that, in-SDK?

[golden scaffold]

I won't attempt to translate the TOS / guidelines as there's legal talk in there that I could never paraphrase, but please read through it. 🙂

[untold willow]

If you gotta ask, dun do it

[devout dock]

i have i was just wondering to wat degree

[arctic elm]

What if there were like, contests or something at some point to get merch or vrc+ or something

[devout dock]

i asked so i could make up my decision on the plus thing

ty for the reply

[golden scaffold]

Dunno, might be worth shooting us a question through Support more specifically so we can ask the right people about what you're wanting to do.

[meager solstice]

@arctic elm like spookality contest for Halloween.....

[mighty cradle]

alright

[rapid karma]

Oh while I remember it I posted something on canny the other day about mute players and deaf/ sign language players I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind taking a look i think it might really help those players in the long run @golden scaffold I posted it under the same name as here

They don’t get much light unfortunately

[mighty cradle]

i will have a whole host more technical questions, including how i would go about networking two of these emulators together, as well as other ancillaries such as programmable particle and shader stuff, with certain limitations imposed by the language i plan on using for the "hologram device"; ie the device in the emulator responsible for shaders and particles

[rapid karma]

If you need a link I can get it for you

Spark that is

Or anyone who’s interested

[ashen thistle]

I’m stuck at a blank screen after it logs me in

[mighty cradle]

i also had an idea for vrc+, or just as an open donation scheme in general: essentially crowdfund (ish), with a limited amount of purchasable tokens per month, a list of ideas you want to happen to vrchat

essentially, paying for the right to vote on the game's future

[arctic elm]

Uhhh, yes just like that lol. I missed it because I didn't play much in october tbh

[ashen thistle]

Is anyone having the same issue •w•”

[mighty cradle]

obviously, free players would be kinda miffed in this case, but maybe a certain # of free tokens per month would work for those

[golden scaffold]

I absolutely love the idea of helping with accessibility. I'll check that out!

[meager solstice]

Yeah I came in 2nd back in 2018 for community vote and got a 50$ gift card to their merch store

[mighty cradle]

but yes, some form of vote system for vrchat's future

monetization for extra tokens to vote with would potentially bring in a large amount of cash

[ashen thistle]

I just need help :’)

[rapid karma]

Would you like me to get the link or are you good finding it, it should be to far down the list but it might be worth reposting it for easy access

[meager solstice]

I believe they plan on doing monetization, that’s what they said in the last dev stream anyway

[rapid karma]

If so gimme a sec to get my pc running

[harsh crystal]

oh damn you know what would be interesting, having a native keyboard you can pull out much like the camera i know avatars have these as a feature but imagine if it was implemented into the game

[golden scaffold]

We're notified via e-mail for every single Canny post that's made, so it should be in my inbox. 🙂

[mighty cradle]

yes, but they gotta do monetization right, and this is i think a solid idea

don't make free people feel "unimportant", is all i gotta say

discord is perfectly fine without nitro, but better with

vrchat has to strike a good balance in this aspect too

[rapid karma]

Really that must be a lot of emails on the daily

[meager solstice]

Pretty sure they hired a person for a “economy system” or.... they removed the position from their hiring page. One of the 2

[golden scaffold]

Filtered inboxes are magic, but we still read through them all!

[rapid karma]

Also I think mines probably burrows alive by now

[arctic elm]

Oh nice, gratz. I'm def not that good at content creation but it'd still be fun to give it a go

[mighty cradle]

i also had ideas for content protection

as for the custom client: i will develop technologies specifically for it, and i imagine those technologies might be immensely useful to the official vrchat team later, closer to release

[vocal shard]

anybody want to do a RP with me?

[mighty cradle]

maybe?

[meager solstice]

To busy working to rp

[vocal shard]

K

[mighty cradle]

i also had the idea to get a check engine going to scan custom clients for malicious behavior

and might actually develop techniques and method for deep file inspection for this

in addition: my unity ripper project/idea would have some code put in the client

[pale phoenix]

yo does anyone wanna watch a stream??

[golden scaffold]

This likely crosses TOS boundaries. You can send in a question to us about it if you're curious for more details than I can answer here.

[pale phoenix]

does anyone know about walkin dead saints and simnners

[mighty cradle]

@golden scaffold i'm perfectly aware and fine that such a custom client would cross tos boundaries

but it would be engineered purely in the interest of user security and safety

including a tor tunnel connection as an option

[rapid karma]

I bet having filtered emails is a blessing, ima grab the link for you instead of rooting through all those emails it’ll be a lot easier for both you and me, got to say I wish I could add more to it but it’s already posted

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/sign-mute-other-niche-icons

[mighty cradle]

besides that, if my client picks up malicious avatars, either by 2d/3d pattern matches on suspiciousness, or picking up malicious behavior, it would send the download link to the full file over tor to a server i'd be administrating

[golden scaffold]

👍🏻

[mighty cradle]

oh, uh

@golden scaffold why did the format of cache files change?

[rapid karma]

will you let me know what you think?

[arctic elm]

Oh yeah, I saw a little ear icon in the social list on each user. anyone know what that means?

[mighty cradle]

also, api wise, can i request the hash of a file to be downloaded?

like, an avatar or world file

if i can request the hash without downloading the file, this would be a massive boon to my security aspirations

and actually save users the data that would be used in downloading the entire avatar just to check its hash

[golden scaffold]

This sounds like something I think that has been discussed in the past, I'll definitely still bring this up. Love, love the idea of providing more accessibility help. Thank you for thinking about them!

[mighty cradle]

i remember you used to have a http request header prior

[vocal shard]

Due to the uncertain nature and fine line regarding TOS, it may be best to just not talk about it here. I'm sure you mean well and want to work with the team on this, but just to not cause any confusion with others, it might be best not to discuss it here, and contact vrchat through the proper means if you wish to @mighty cradle

[mighty cradle]

sure

still just wanted to know about the hash-through-api thing

[golden scaffold]

Dunno, not really my field on the team. There's people that can answer that far better than I can, so sending in your questions over to Support so we can get things answered is the right call.

[mighty cradle]

alright

[rapid karma]

glad to know you like it and i feel as though most people forget sometimes that these people are out and about doing things thats why i posted about it im aware there might be some issues that come along with having them and personally im not sure how id iron them out but id hope it goes in favour for people its just an optional thing i think would make a lot of peoples life in vrchat a whole lot easier

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, there's a lot of careful thinking that needs to happen there but the suggestions are really appreciated nonetheless. Helps us out a lot!

[mighty cradle]

yeah, the contrast thing is also an ease of access thing

the colors would definitely help people with dyslexia more than they currently do me

or, did

altho with some migraine auras, i basically become incapable of reading much at all

[rapid karma]

Auras as in the epilepsy side of things?

[umbral reef]

Yea the letter font really isnt that nice when in VR and while having dislexia
The letters do quickly blend when your right at the point of being 'further away' but not 'big name plate away'
Even after increasing the size and making it full transparent.

[mighty cradle]

Nope, migraines are sometimes preceded by hallucinations; I've had ones where I've been literally stuck on one letter for minutes on end trying to read the words

[rapid karma]

Oh i see

[mighty cradle]

the nameplate size should probably be a dynamic thing

[rapid karma]

yeah thats a good idea

wait @golden scaffold is there a discussion channel for coming up with canny ideas for the team?

[golden scaffold]

#feature-requests is probably your best bet

[rapid karma]

y'know so people can collaborate on the idea before posting so its much clearer

[mighty cradle]

oh yeah

[golden scaffold]

That'd definitely be the right place for it

[mighty cradle]

the http request header

it contains an etag, last modified date, amazon version id, and an amazon cf id

if any of these is an unique identifier, that works

i'd really like a hash, but whatever

[rapid karma]

right now im on my pc time to refine my idea from earlier about the achievement and ui system

[mighty cradle]

why did the content format change? what do the numbers in __info mean?

[arctic elm]

Compromise time: https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/add-a-custom-color-border-to-nametags
Let us be pretty once more, but this time hold the hate... or something like that :P

[mighty cradle]

thanks

[golden scaffold]

yay more canny posts! thanks Vivi.

[arctic elm]

your email must d i e

[untold willow]

Make him suffer

[mighty cradle]

make a bot to post a million