vrchat-general-2

[cold dome]

lol I'd go into a rage if that were actually true, but I know youre trolling

I can load some worlds but not others

@jade carbon

[jade carbon]

I know it was just funny to say lol

[cold dome]

@pallid cape any ideas on this one?

[timid willow]

it's kinda not very cool when you talk but everyone just ignores you

[jade carbon]

You sure they could hear you

[vocal shard]

did you remember to unmute yourself before talking?

[cold dome]

I wonder if I got banned

this sucks its the only world I really used. @jade carbon

[jade carbon]

if you get banned you can't log in

[timid willow]

but i'm not muted

[cold dome]

I can load all worlds except open mic. I cleared my cache but its just a black screeen

then I have to alt+f4

[jade carbon]

clear cache manually and reboot pc otherwise reinstall vrc

[vocal shard]

been a while since i have been on open mic OwO

[mossy lantern]

does anyone know how to get rdr2 avatars

[cold dome]

I love it so much and I just got my mixer configued to blend my vocal mic and direct out from axe-fx into one aux for vrc for pristine sound quality. but now the world wont load

[mossy lantern]

i only have arthur morgan

[timid willow]

but still, with an open mic, still ignored, not very cool

[jade carbon]

^check mic settings I bet they cannot hear you

[timid willow]

it's all the way up

[jade carbon]

No no check in game

which mic the in game is attempting to use.

[cold dome]

I doubt theyre ignoring you bruh

[timid willow]

like they can hear me they said it

[cold dome]

ive almost never had someone ignore me if I ask them politely if they can hear me

and in fact the times they ignored me ---- my mic actually wasnt working!

[vocal shard]

hmm what rank are you and what are the rank of ppl your trying to talk with?

[timid willow]

i don't know w, also they chat you mean by that and they can hear me, i have an open mic and normal settings for the microphone

[warped dew]

I have concerns about vrc+ namely, since badges will show, wouldn't it make these people prime targets for crashers and account thieves?

[vocal shard]

some ppl get ignored in this game because of different rank or if your a desktop user trying to talk to a group of vr users

[timid willow]

i think it's because of my russian accent, i don't know english very well by speaking

[vocal shard]

could also be that

[timid willow]

but bruh, how can you people afford vr headsets it costs like 1.8k gel here and that is like 8/10 of my pc price which is 2500 gel

[slow cypress]

Savings.
Also buying an old headset, like HTC Vive.

[timid willow]

fun fact: 1 dollar costs here 3.75 gel, i can buy a car by 1.8k instead of a vr headset

[slow cypress]

Same here in the US, if you're willing to compromise heavily on quality

[vocal shard]

ooga

[cold dome]

VRC+ is going to create a class divide and fragment the community. The complete damage this change will incur won't be seen for some time but when it hits be ready for a whole new world.

[timid trench]

Bro what...

Why is this still a topic 😂

[pallid sparrow]

It's literally just discord nitro but for VRchat. Relax lol

[umbral reef]

Might be smart to use 2fa and literally be safe from any account stealing then...
Also, they team heard the feedback on that and has noted that people might wanna toggle the things.

[mild juniper]

i mainly use the first gen oculus quest with oculus link

[pallid sparrow]

That's good to hear.

[cold dome]

I was just letting people know

@golden scaffold any ideas on my black screen problem? I tried clearing cache not sure what other options there are

[clever sandal]

Why do you think VRC+ will create a divide? I will get VRC+ just to support the development of VRC and so it can be open and free for most users.

[cold dome]

And people's personalities often change when they go nitro. Thats kind of my point

[lusty briar]

what

[pallid sparrow]

what lol when have you seen that?

[cold dome]

I'm just giving my take on it and my own experiences. Only time will tell us for certain what will happen

[pallid sparrow]

VRC+ will give them more resources to make VRchat better in the long run. The app isn't monetized in any other way and they need to fund development somehow.

[broken plover]

only personality change i noticed is using pog emotes

[amber juniper]

I'll happily pay 10$ a month, if they invest that money to develop the core game, for EVERYONE.

[pallid sparrow]

☝️

[lusty briar]

i dont think vrc+ will cause any more elitism than "haha i have a picture on my nameplate"

[pallid sparrow]

or how discord nitro is "ha ha funny gif emoji/pfp"

[cold dome]

I hope you're correct

[amber juniper]

sadly, people always want something in return that they can show, brag about, or have for themselfs

[cold dome]

If you thought the discrimination against greytags was bad just wait for VRC+ vs non+ plebs

[lusty briar]

vrchat is not the place to go to brag about features they get that ordinary players dont imo

[pearl pebble]

where can I see my trust level?

[amber juniper]

that's why they created those features for VRC+, because if they would straight up ask for money, but you don't get anything for yourself in return, a lot of people wouldn't even consider it

[lusty briar]

they only get to have a profile picture and some weird stuff with ui that im not entirely sure what it is yet

[waxen kayak]

how you guys doing?

[cold dome]

open your menu look upper left

[pallid sparrow]

☝️

[lusty briar]

to see your trust level you have to hover over a button and move your cursor off of it

[pearl pebble]

i'm user 😄 ty

[amber juniper]

which is the only rank that matters

[cold dome]

Same but I registered through steam so I have all these stupid numbers and letters after my name. Is there any way to fix that without starting over?

[lusty briar]

merge your steam account with a vrchat account

[amber juniper]

create a vrchat account, and link your steam account to it

[cold dome]

thank you, I'll try that.

[pearl pebble]

yeah, that's what i did, on vrchat website you can merge

[amber juniper]

you need to log in with the vrc account then, not over steam

[lusty briar]

merging your account also adds your friends that you have on steam

i mean, it adds the people that you have added on your steam vrchat account

[cold dome]

perfect

[clever sandal]

I merged my Oculus account with my VR-Chat account and it moved all my avatars and so over to VR-Chat, but then I wanted to test the VRC+ beta, but it is only on Steam, but my Steam VRC account that I created by mistake is empty, so I can not merge it with my VR-Chat account, for if I do so I will end up with an empty VRC account? Or do it just merge without removing anything?

[vocal shard]

knowing what friends are online is much easier also on the website~

[cold dome]

That sounds like the way to go. I just need to pick a new name unless someone wants to sell me Legend

[vocal shard]

you could do ~Legend~

[amber juniper]

what about "ballsdeep69"?

[lusty briar]

vrchat lets you use a different display name from your actual username if you want to do that, idk if you can share display names with other users tho

[mossy lantern]

anyone know how to get john marston vrchat avatar, or rdr avatars

[pallid sparrow]

😂

[amber juniper]

I guess you got the reference :P

[vocal shard]

it's already taken :c

[lusty briar]

maybe noobmaster69

[amber juniper]

oh god...

[timid willow]

maybe jojofanboy666

[vocal shard]

that is actually available

[timid willow]

bruh

[pallid sparrow]

someone take it quick!

[amber juniper]

I mean, you don't need numbers, with an 8 letter name, there are 302’231’454’903’657’293’676’544 possible combinations of letters...

oh, wait, I f***ed that up

[timid willow]

there's infinite amounts of possible combinations of letters.

[amber juniper]

it's only 208’827’064’576 possible combinations

[timid willow]

it's 1 to infinity, you can do possible combinations of letters by inf

[amber juniper]

nothing is infinite, that would actually break the laws of physic

[worthy oracle]

so are we gonna talk about how i get infinite loading screens when joining a public lobby

or join a lobby and its all black until you get kicked to another

[amber juniper]

clear your cache, restart the game

[timid willow]

the laws of physics are for like physical objects like, humans, items for example chair, and how they collide with each other, how that object breaks apart explanation and etc. is physicics.

[mossy lantern]

thanks

[timid willow]

not numbers

[frosty veldt]

You can't have infinite combinations if infinity doest exist lmao

[amber juniper]

numbers need to get stored somewhere

[timid willow]

sure it's not infinite but still, there is a very big amount of it

[frosty veldt]

It's practically infinite. But everything has an upper limit at some point

[amber juniper]

just to quote Jeff Bonwick, chief developer of ZFS: “Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans.”

[inner cape]

[timid willow]

i don't know what it is called but i'll call it the G'S number, the biggest number that a human, has learnt

[inner cape]

how did we get here

[amber juniper]

why are we here? Just to suffer?

[timid willow]

true

[frosty veldt]

Isn't it a googolplex? Pretty sure that's 10^10^100 IIRC

[timid willow]

Yup

hey a fun fact: random critical hits exist in real world but it's (not random) but critical emotional hit

[hollow ingot]

✅

[shut zodiac]

[cold dome]

I didnt realize that

[lusty briar]

you still have to log in with your real username so dont forget it

[zealous vigil]

• 100 Avatar Favorite Slots (everyone gets upgraded to 25 slots!)
• ... and more features in development!
  I have my concerns here

[vocal shard]

[zealous vigil]

?

[vocal shard]

Hmm?

[pallid sparrow]

I wish I could use my own gif emojis in response lol

Do I have to earn that? Or just be a nitro booster or something?

[lusty briar]

nitro users get global emotes

[pallid sparrow]

I have nitro

[pseudo basalt]

Nitro booster only except in #general-media , where normal nitro works too

[vocal shard]

nitro means nothing here!

[hollow ingot]

Nitro boost!
Will VRC+ become a role too?

[vocal shard]

It's booster perk ... But it wasn't because of boosting.

Nitro emotes have been blocked here for years because there were issues with people spamming inappropriate nitro emotes a while back

[pseudo basalt]

Don't think advertising roles in discord will be received well

[vocal shard]

And no, I hope there won't be a role

[pseudo basalt]

Since it's literally taking a feature away to sell it back

[vocal shard]

atleast i dont have to look at spam of the emotes people made of my face

[pallid sparrow]

boost time

[vocal shard]

They aren't taking any features away in game?

[pseudo basalt]

No, I mean VRC+ role in discord

[vocal shard]

We actually get more features for free now

[lusty briar]

what exactly is being taken away to be sold back because i havent seen any

[zealous vigil]

i mean yes, it is a free game and money needs to be recouped somewhere but paywalling significant gameplay related features or just GRFs in general behind a 10$/m sub is what i consider not good. Once its starts , it will become worse

[vocal shard]

here we go again

[pseudo basalt]

context 😩

[vocal shard]

They aren't paywalling anything significant>~<

[lusty briar]

profile pictures arent significant

[pallid sparrow]

I disagree, I think it will further development and make the app better over time.

[vocal shard]

Nothing has been lost from what we have already

[zealous vigil]

100 avatar slots, that is significant

[pallid sparrow]

Development costs $$$

[lusty briar]

and free users are getting more avatars too

[vocal shard]

Favorites. Not upload slots

[lusty briar]

there has to be an incentive to get vrc+ or almost nobody would

[vocal shard]

Upload slots are still unlimited

[pseudo basalt]

I don't think favorite slots are a big deal, since it's more of the same

[pallid sparrow]

Everyone is being upgraded to 25 fav slots

[zealous vigil]

i know its favorites

[vocal shard]

I haven't even used up the 16 we had before

[lusty briar]

everyone lived just fine with 16 and youre getting more now

[pseudo basalt]

Entire features like icons is a different story tho

[vocal shard]

Favorites are really overrated

[pseudo basalt]

They are

[hollow ingot]

More world favorite slots when?

[regal furnace]

we should make favourites back to 3 again, just to annoy the shit out of everyone

[zealous vigil]

16 is not enough for me,

[lusty briar]

well now you get 25

[zealous vigil]

not enough either

[lusty briar]

too bad

[pseudo basalt]

Time to learn to make your own avatars or favorite avatar worlds

[inland knot]

same

[vocal shard]

Favorites have always been limited to keep world and avatar creators happy, who were against favorites in the first place. Now with vrchat+, world creators will soon be able to start making some money themselves, so that might help balance out for the avatar creators who were against favorites

[pallid sparrow]

VRC+ isn't taking away anything from the general userbase we just had this discussion 😂 You're getting MORE for free.

[lusty briar]

ive been at the avatar limit forever and I just unfavorite avatars I don't use, simple as

[regal furnace]

thats new that creators can make money

[pallid sparrow]

Really? I didn't notice that in the blog post.

[vocal shard]

Not yet, but it's planned

[regal furnace]

oh damn, i need to get better faster

[pallid sparrow]

I'm only just learning modeling in 3d

[pseudo basalt]

That's gonna be a grey area i bet

[regal furnace]

need to learn how to properly optimize

[vocal shard]

They talked about it before this announcement that they want a way to allow creators to monetize their work

[lusty briar]

exactly, low favorites exists to encourage content creation otherwise everyone would have 700 favorites

[pseudo basalt]

Since most avatars are mish mashed copyrighted content

[pallid sparrow]

That's really encouraging as an aspiring creator! Thanks for the info.

[vocal shard]

Obviously you'd have to own everything yourself

[pallid sparrow]

ofc

[regal furnace]

even textures on walls and stuff?

[vocal shard]

Same as like the different events we have already where you can display your avatar to sell them

[pseudo basalt]

Depends on how restrictive it's gonna be

[lusty briar]

i certainly wouldn't want people making money off of copy pasted monster hunter models

[pseudo basalt]

Because people already make money off stuff they don't own

[lusty briar]

there are lots of people that sell avatars for copyrighted stuff i imagine

[pseudo basalt]

But if it's something like "pay me to upload this avatar to your account" then it's also not a great deal without source files

[vocal shard]

There's a difference

[pseudo basalt]

We'll have to wait and see, I don't think it's gonna be bad

[vocal shard]

People doing commissions are not the same as ones who like, make original content on booth and stuff

[pseudo basalt]

But i bet people will still try to sell kitbashes

[zealous vigil]

im not a fan of paywalled features easily implemented

[lusty briar]

vrc+ has to offer something to the users

[pseudo basalt]

I'd support if there were more options

[vocal shard]

They have to make money somehow... Have to balance it with something that doesn't affect much so there's not anything significant from the base game being paywalled

[pseudo basalt]

With less features, based on what I want in return

[lusty briar]

its not like theyre imposing a friends limit on you if you dont pay

[pseudo basalt]

I barely have friends

[lusty briar]

or removing dropping portals, so it doesnt really matter to me, its just a pfp and more favorites (and some vague ui stuff in the future)

[pseudo basalt]

Will have to wait and see what it ends up doing

[inner cape]

i can be your friend, punkin 🙂

[pallid sparrow]

I'll be your friend 😄

[pseudo basalt]

I didn't say I want friends

[vocal shard]

can I be your waifu then ?

[pallid sparrow]

[inner cape]

😳

[pseudo basalt]

I have just enough, I just prefer to have few close friends than lots of randoms

[regal furnace]

@vocal shard so if i would want to monitize my own worlds, would i have to make literally everything myself, including textures and shaders?

[pallid sparrow]

It's okay Spirito, we can be friends instead

[inner cape]

so me and svel are randoms, wow ok

[pseudo basalt]

Things have licenses, lots of things are allowed to be used and some commercially

[lusty briar]

i dont think theres any specific rules right now about what you can and cant have

[ruby needle]

@regal furnace you can also use any assets that you own licenses / commercial usage rights for

Nearly anything on the unity asset store will do so.

[vocal shard]

As long as it's acquired from proper places. For example stuff bought from unity store allow you to license

[pseudo basalt]

You can add me on vrc but I pretty much only get on when a friend asks me so you'll almost never see me

[inner cape]

😔

[pseudo basalt]

I'm trapped

[regal furnace]

gotta have to check about licencing now somewhere real quick

[inner cape]

trapped?

[ruby needle]

Never forget audio licenses aswell, and eventually character licenses/other copyrights.

[pseudo basalt]

Unless I get on really often they'd want to join every time

I'd feel bad to say no as well

[inner cape]

dont feel bad

[pseudo basalt]

4head

[pallid sparrow]

D👏M👏C👏A 😂

[pseudo basalt]

I don't play vrchat often enough for that

Maybe it's in my head but i dunno

[regal furnace]

that one is gonna be fun

[lusty briar]

demonetized for putting a copyrighted easter egg in a world

[regal furnace]

vrchat is gonna turn into youtube 2.0

[ruby needle]

There is no turning into in terms of compyright

The laws exists and apply EVERYWHERE.

[lusty briar]

content id for a high pitch sound wave identified as a copyrighted mosquito alarm

[inner cape]

would you play if i asked then, pumkin

🙂

[pseudo basalt]

you're not my friendo

[inner cape]

i can be

im not a complete stranger, at the very least

[pseudo basalt]

I'm already taken

[vocal shard]

😔

[inner cape]

[pseudo basalt]

But you can add me on vrchat and we'll see

I usually don't get on because noone online anyway

[shell bear]

[pseudo basalt]

I have 0-3 people online at any given time

Because i fell for the US friends trap

[vocal shard]

what?

[pseudo basalt]

People online only when my sleep cycle is bad

If you make friends when your sleep cycle is bad

[shell bear]

There's plenty of new people to meet or?

[half vessel]

guys, after alot of research... i dont get how i rank up

[vocal shard]

by playing

[vocal shard]

plenty

[lusty briar]

add people and upload content

[half vessel]

ok

[shell bear]

[pseudo basalt]

can't upload until later, and if they're asking about it chances are that they can't

[inner cape]

US friends KEKW

[vocal shard]

🤢

[shell bear]

[vocal shard]

[pseudo basalt]

Bad sleep cycle friends

[inner cape]

that is why you need me and svel

[pseudo basalt]

I dunno ghosto you seem kinda spooky

[inner cape]

[pseudo basalt]

and svel is already getting married so what's the point

[vocal shard]

and me ?

[inner cape]

bruh

[vocal shard]

wow ok
I don't have a vr partner yet

[pseudo basalt]

so you're saying there's still a chance

[vocal shard]

[inner cape]

yes, svel is a lovely vr-waifu

[vocal shard]

vr partner nani!?

[pseudo basalt]

yes, a friendo

[vocal shard]

yeah you need 2 partners
one for IRL
one for IVL

[inner cape]

which pumkin are you btw

[pseudo basalt]

the og one

probably a ukon avatar

[inner cape]

whats an ukon

[pseudo basalt]

I'm not sure we can be friends

[inner cape]

i havent played this shid in half a year, i dont remember anything

[umbral reef]

Lies ghosto

[inner cape]

technically a lie but also not

[cold talon]

https://imgur.com/a/oCYCjHd 👀

[umbral reef]

oh also i wont get on today ghosto
Im close to crying from how stupid my school tasks are with how badly they are organized

Who doesnt enjoy making an project in 2 weeks while others have atleast 4 😎
Im gonna get my arms ripped off from using these machines prob

[inner cape]

i feel you

i still dont know which one are you btw, punkin

[quaint badge]

hi

[cold talon]

wym he is Pumkin

[inner cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/450369041576755251/780161312885571624/unknown.png?width=406&height=702

alright

[vocal shard]

who i just got a vr how do i find ppl with games to play with me

[whole prairie]

yeah same

[cold dome]

Can I buy the name Legend on vrc? Is that permitted

[spring panther]

What is the best quest avatar you guys have seen

[whole prairie]

i need someone to play vrchat with

[cold talon]

second one

[wintry star]

Is anyone interested in joining our social/vrchat based server?

[humble junco]

is it based

[inner cape]

if you say so

[pseudo basalt]

the only trusted user in the list
ye that's me

[inner cape]

wait you speak ruski?

[cold talon]

hehe, i can smell pumkin from a mile away

but tbh, thats a lot less pumkins than expected

[pseudo basalt]

it's a secret

[inner cape]

since when

[pseudo basalt]

since I was born in a post soviet country

[inner cape]

well well well
||same||

[pseudo basalt]

but we're better than that, we can speak english

[inner cape]

i guess

[cold talon]

all right, to #russian with you two 👉

[inner cape]

[vale palm]

Guys what is this VRC+ thing i hear about

[solid comet]

Hello, is there anyone here that does Avatar requests for donations?

[sharp saddle]

[vale palm]

You mean a commission?

[solid comet]

Well I didn’t know if it was a technical thing. I always see people put “donations “

[cold talon]

" Avatar requests for donations?" that is just a commission with extra steps

[lusty briar]

vrc+ is a new membership coming soon that adds extra features for people who support VRchat, like custom pictures on nameplate and more favorite avatars, for now @vale palm

[vale palm]

donno if i can post servers here, but ill pm you the oldest vrc commission server

[broken plover]

vrc traders in #community-servers-old

[vale palm]

Thats what i messaged

@lusty briar Wow wheres the expected drama upon mentioning it

[sharp saddle]

Am glad.

[cold talon]

loading drama.uasset please wait... [exit with code -1]

[broken plover]

uasset

[vale palm]

uasset? R we going to unreal engine now

[lusty briar]

there was some drama about it earlier

[cold dome]

they should rewrite vrchat in ue5

[cold talon]

make it 6 and we gucci

[cold dome]

with DLSS it should be viable for VR

[vale palm]

isnt the first few versions of unreal engine always a mess

[cold talon]

yeah, dlss for vrc would be pretty god level ngl

or well for vr in general, especially since headsets will just keep increasing in resolution

[sharp saddle]

Just imagine having to learn UE.

[cold talon]

visual script it all 🕺

[vale palm]

Isnt there a VR game like vrc thats being made with unreal engine 4

[cold talon]

no clue

[zealous vigil]

eh.....

[pseudo basalt]

there's lots of games like vrc being made

i think lavander moved to UE

[cold talon]

yeah they tried UE, but switched back

[pseudo basalt]

helios is on UE

[cold talon]

have not heard of that one

[pseudo basalt]

but most are either doomed to fail or will be worth looking at in years

[vale palm]

Oh yeah it was Helios

[zealous vigil]

as of right now Vrchat runs on a integrated graphics card, putting it on Unreal Engine 5 will essentially make it uhnplayable on lower end hardware

[vale palm]

in desktop*

[zealous vigil]

mhm

[vale palm]

unless you got a virtualboy connected lmao

[cold dome]

I'll never sell my virtual boy

[zealous vigil]

UE4 already struggles in Integrated based on what ive seen

UE3 too

[cold dome]

don't most people on vr have better than integrated

[zealous vigil]

mhm but what about the users a that still use desktop because of not being in VR capable hardware + not have a VR headset

[vale palm]

Cant really cater to them tbh or youll be stuck in place forever

[cold dome]

exactly

I'd design for the mid to high end rigs

[zealous vigil]

not an excuse,

only move the gap once the higher end is affordable

[solar cradle]

now merged :3

[shadow wave]

can any devs shed some light on something about finger tracking for me? i thought its supposed to be touching the sensor = minimum finger muscle value and not being sensed at all is maximum, but it seems to be some weird middle value instead

[noble steppe]

Does anyone want to be part of a new VR chat YouTube series?

[shadow wave]

also is there any way to just disable finger tracking on the valve knuckles and treat it like oculus touch or something?

[amber juniper]

why would you buy the Finger DLC and not use it? o.O

[shadow wave]

because it's super glitchy

[cold dome]

How much does the job pay?

[amber juniper]

that's not because of VRChat, it's because of the calibration...

[shadow wave]

no, it's vrchat

[amber juniper]

which in turn depends on your Handshape...

[shadow wave]

you're supposed to be able to control the finger movements by tweaking the finger muscle values, but what you'd expect to see in vrchat based on what you see in unity doesn't actually happen

[cold dome]

Are the decagear controllers going to be just as good as index, or will they be better?

[shadow wave]

so to get my thumb to stick up even remotely when i take my thumb off the sensor, i have to make my thumb bend completely backwards in unity

[amber juniper]

well, for me it's pretty close, maybe it's your avatars rig?

[full ivy]

Hello. It's my first time playing VrChat on desktop (due to not having the needed funds for a headset ^-^") and I'm trying to play both via controller and keyboard which is very dificult. Which is better to play on (I know it the headset,but i really need help)? Thank you!

[shadow wave]

its mostly the thumb

[noble steppe]

It doesn’t pay

[shadow wave]

ever notice how you cant really do thumbs up with the index controller?

[amber juniper]

yeah...

[shadow wave]

its cuz of the weirdness with how the values work

https://feen.us/7j8479.png this is what it took to get my thumb to stick up in a way even close to realistic when i did thumbs up

[amber juniper]

but I don't really do thumbsup's that often, but anyhow, the thumb is the only finger which is basically only tracked with integers, kinda... you have the 5 positions, thats it

[shadow wave]

its just super weird

[amber juniper]

that looks kinda like a rig issue TBH

[shadow wave]

i mean its just a normal rig

let me find what the fingers look like in ref pose

[amber juniper]

https://i.imgur.com/Q4fr0M7.png

[shadow wave]

https://feen.us/t9xpua.png

[amber juniper]

hm...

[shadow wave]

some of the bones are maybe a bit short but the thumb looks fine, which is what's causing the most issues

[wind oracle]

how long does it take to rank up to new user roughly?

[amber juniper]

some time, roughly

[shadow wave]

yknow actually, maybe it does need some work lol

[wind oracle]

hmm i might need a better guess than that lmao

[amber juniper]

I mean, I can't do a like 90 degree thumbs up, but meh...

[amber juniper]

between 10-1000h, roughly

[shadow wave]

alright, i'll see if i can re-rig the hand and see if that helps. thanks

[wind oracle]

shame i only have 8

[amber juniper]

time is only ONE factor, if you would read the documentation, you would know that...

[wind oracle]

ive also been playing games with people adding people etc and cant upload my model so that dosent matter yet

[amber juniper]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-safety-and-trust-system

don't worry about the rank, just enjoy your time, make some friends, enjoy some games

[wind oracle]

i am i joined a nice community but i spent 15 hours making a model and excited to use it 🙂

[amber juniper]

well, just enjoy the time, and in the meantime, optimize your avatar, which most people just don't do... not even investing 10min in to it...

[wind oracle]

i had help optimize it lol

[amber juniper]

It's kinda shitty to go to a public world and see like 18 of 20 avatars are performance blocked, because they are verypoor...

[wind oracle]

yeah i got helped with mine after i made it so it all works and extra effects etc

[amber juniper]

an what is the performance ranking?

[wind oracle]

good

[amber juniper]

well, with that you are one of the 1% ^^

[wind oracle]

the good 1% or the bad lmao?

[amber juniper]

depends on the quality of the model :P

[shadow wave]

the poly limit's pretty dumb

[wind oracle]

whats the limit?

[shadow wave]

70k

[wind oracle]

mines at 62k

[amber juniper]

it's not a hardlimit, and it's not dumb

[shadow wave]

to have a mesh require more than one draw call it'd need around 4 billion vertices

[amber juniper]

but yeah, material count and dynamic bones are the ones who have the most impact

[shadow wave]

yep

[solar cradle]

drawcalls aren't the only thing that change performance :p

[shadow wave]

vrchat and most other games are CPU limited, because of draw calls

[amber juniper]

I guess dynamic bones are worse...

[worn plank]

Fwiw I have 8500 polygons which should put me in the "medium" to "poor" ranking and it still have me a "good" ranking cuz I only had single mesh and two dynamic bones

[solar cradle]

Dynamic bones are way worse, CPU wise

[shadow wave]

yep. tupper's said he hates dynamic bones and wants an alternative, buuuuuut you know how vrc devs are about doing things

[solar cradle]

@worldly summit put this together, for dynamic bones: https://github.com/Naraenda/NarasUnityTools

Turn a giant chain of dynamic bones into one dynamic bone with constraints (which can be multithreaded)

[fiery tree]

Anyone have attack on titan titan avatar so i can copy him plz

[amber juniper]

that's nice, I'll take a look at it. thanks

[solar cradle]

Oh! And my 'instantly spit out a quest avatar' changes to CATS are now in the devel versin, if y'all wanna start messing with it/breaking it

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1109288/97836846-03d49b00-1c92-11eb-9e9f-b30ad8eccaf7.png < some sample results, 34k many materials -> 5k 1 material

[bright nest]

Guys

Is there a methode to use arms without vr?

method*

[broken plover]

with avatars 3.0 you can make it so you can move arms through the radial menu

[unique warren]

what game is rlly fun and spooky

[bright nest]

Wow

[bright nest]

Among us

[broken plover]

go to #avatar-help if you want to do that, because I haven't used avatar 3.0 at all ever since it released

[bright nest]

kk

[amber juniper]

nice

[covert chasm]

Woahhh. These changes are neat, as is the constraint-based dynbone reducer. Well done. I'm gonna go update my Cat's to the dev version now and play around with it

[solar cradle]

Lemme know if it works out!

[inland knot]

Hey tupper could we please get reactions back

[cold dome]

yes

[vocal shard]

yes

[slate rock]

Hi friends

[pseudo basalt]

⬆️

upvoted

[cold talon]

pfff
no.

[slate rock]

I miss having my own emotes in here

[vocal shard]

gotta pay for that

[slate rock]

[covert chasm]

It's making my whole set of textures transparent instead of copying diffuse... might be the odd way I have my shader nodes set up. I'll mess with it a bit. The decimation looks really impressive, though.

[vocal shard]

well, that was fast

[solar cradle]

Yeah, try unchecking 'transparent'. Blender has no native way to bake transparent or metallic, so I kinda had to hack it in, and it's a bit tempermental

I literally swap it with 'roughness', then bake 'roughness'. Doesn't alllways work

[inland knot]

Would be really cool if we can finally have reactions back since theyve been dead for days

[covert chasm]

ah yeah, I do a similar thing to bake transparency-- I shove alpha into diffuse, bake that, then use the compositor to mix A into RGB

I used to use imagemagick but that involves pulling up a bash terminal 😄

[inland knot]

@glossy wharf

[solar cradle]

Haaa that's what I started with, I still have my imagemagick .sh somewhere

[glossy wharf]

@inland knot i hate you

[covert chasm]

its surprisingly complex to just tell convert to "take these images... make them together. just.. smush them together. please"

[solar cradle]

I would just shove it into diffuse, but blender won't let me swap the default_values for that (because diffuse is 3-channel and alpha is 1-channel) so roughness was the next best thing. But it has some collissions with metallic that cause it to bake everything as transparent, so it's not foolproof yet

[inland knot]

The vrc disc mods said that an admin needs to enable reactions again. System said he doesnt know how to.

[solar cradle]

Doesn't matter if you bake for Quest anyway, since Quest is transparency-free

[glossy wharf]

Tupper can you turn reactions back on in random chat, when you get a chance

[covert chasm]

it does it even if I turn transparency off 🤔

[solar cradle]

Uhh, well that shouldn't happen :v Feel free to PM me screenshots and I can look into it

The other holdover from imagemagick experimentation is the option to pre-multiply AO into diffuse, so you can have 'ao' on quest

[inland knot]

Please?

[covert chasm]

I'll goof with it a bit more and see if I can figure out what triggers it so you're not on a wild goose chase 😛

[covert chasm]

As long as people promise not to use lemons as a not-so-thinly-veiled-method-of-promoting-modified-clients, sure 🙂

[inland knot]

just randomchat?

[solar cradle]

👍 Yeah just lmk

[glossy wharf]

i didnt even know thats what the lemons were for LOL

[covert chasm]

yep, they straight up have a lemon emote on their server now lol

[glossy wharf]

ohhh and its probably a open community server so it links back to it

[covert chasm]

yep

[inland knot]

Tomorrow is my 1 year of boosting this discord, can i get one day of vrc+ thanks

[glossy wharf]

I mean you have to give them a +1 for creativity, still yikes tho

[inland knot]

kinda cringe tbh

[glossy wharf]

it do be

[covert chasm]

i turned reactions back on for random

[small wing]

So that's what was going on? I was so confused lol.

[inland knot]

pog we have reactions back

[covert chasm]

please do not make me regret my clicking

[glossy wharf]

Thank you dad, we will make sure to slap the lemons away

[covert chasm]

[inland knot]

O hell yes bully the randoms

[cold talon]

installing lemon emojies

[glossy wharf]

everytime i see snake i think of 2017 lolis with snake head.

[slate rock]

has anyone gone to any of the #events, are they fun? I was thinking about going to one

[small wing]

Potato emotes are better, cause potato pancakes.

[glossy wharf]

This game has cursed my perception.

[vocal shard]

when i see Snake, I always think about the one in the wheelchair with jiggly legs

[small wing]

I'm going to secretly promote the superior pancake. 🥞 ❤️

[glossy wharf]

oh yeah that one too LOL

I saw a damn cory the house yesterday, that threw me back

[vocal shard]

it's so bad

[glossy wharf]

Its absolutely horrible and i hate that it carries nostalgic value

[slate rock]

cory IS the house*

[small wing]

@slate rock I help with one of em, Virtual Bass is pretty fun whenever we have shows.

There is also a bunch of other EDM events as well whenever we are not active

[glossy wharf]

The muzz event was nuts

[small wing]

Tons of mosh pits and new music that gets premiered there by bigger artists 😄

[maiden heron]

Hello?

[slate rock]

I've been to other servers events a ton before but it always gets insanely laggy, mainly because of the unoptimized avatars

[inland knot]

muzzy?

[maiden heron]

Im new to oculus vr

[slate rock]

but I've never been to a vrc official event

[small wing]

Virtual Bass is the only one with cross instancing support aside from Slyfest which is over as far as I know. So you can make a separate lobby without the lag.

[inland knot]

yeah but have you heard of the artist spotifydotcomforwardslasha

[glossy wharf]

kero i will beat you

[small wing]

I kinda wish there was a VRC bowling league

[glossy wharf]

i wish battlediscs would work properly

[small wing]

The rock n bowl never really gets used much

[meager nexus]

I'm looking for friends to play with on vrc, I play pc but oculus players are cool too. Send me a request or something and we can talk about animes and videogames.

[small wing]

@meager nexus Public lobbies might be your best bet.

[cold talon]

i wish battlemaids would work properly

[glossy wharf]

f battlemaids

[small wing]

Whenever I wanna find someone new to hang out with I tend to find the most people when going to the hub world

[umbral reef]

Shipping ship

[soft portal]

I have a hard time trying to befriend ppl on VRC idk just social anxiety for days

[meager nexus]

Most of my vrc friends are on much anymore. So the only people that wanna talk to me are simps sadly.

Its scary going to a public place by yourself and just a bunch of people crowd you when you're all alone.

[vocal shard]

that's because you don't play with people like me 😔

[inland knot]

svel you don't play anymore what the fuck do you mean

[young axle]

well that escalated quickly

[vocal shard]

I moved out in a new place
I got a room that actually allows me to move around so I may start playing again next week, after i clean up the place

[umbral reef]

I give you like 2 months before you get that pole svel

[vocal shard]

Can't anymore
got other issues so money will be extremely tight for several years 🙂

[umbral reef]

Onlyfans, get an ethot avatar and profit?

[vocal shard]

😠

[civic vine]

hello frens

[inland knot]

@civic vine did you make a new account

[civic vine]

No, no I didn't

[inland knot]

Huh, thought I remembered blocking that name

[civic vine]

I don't think I'd give you reason to

[inland knot]

confused you ig

[shadow wave]

hmm, so re-rigging the thumbs didnt really help, might have just done it wrong

https://feen.us/gi6bzo.png ended up like this

[civic vine]

I've not been around since the pre-udon days, now I have a project in mind but I've barely spoken on here this year

[inland knot]

probably ask in #3d-modeling #avatar-rigging or something @shadow wave

and be mindful of rule 15

[shadow wave]

i was talking with someone about it in here earlier so thats why i posted it here

[inland knot]

Oh yeah, I'm just pointing you to where some other people might have an idea about that

[sleek sparrow]

so any way to prevent the grey robot avatars from scaling to the same height and size as the original avatar i blocked?

or is this a known bug?

[ruby needle]

I dont think so, the robots are supposed to scale according to the original avatar now, a feature heavily awaited.
Tho, as some people have maliciously big ones, the scaling has a upper and lower limit to prevent giant avatar from still beeing giant.

At least it should Not get bigger or smaller then the set limit.

[sleek sparrow]

well its still way too big. people wanted this? the hell

i block giants so they dont block videos or my view lol

[ruby needle]

Automatic scaling? Absolutly, it's wonderful and allows to properly interact with people now.

[shadow wave]

i think its more that people wanted it for avatars that got performance blocked

[ruby needle]

But there are upper and lower limits so massive avatars are not becomming a massive robot.

[sleek sparrow]

well upper limit should be smaller. options please

[ruby needle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com

[sleek sparrow]

i did dont worry. im confused as to how people wanted this

[ruby needle]

Auto scaling?
Why would you not want it? (With safety limits to prevent massive and tiny ones, wich was thought of and is included in some form the beginning.)

[ashen adder]

"You guys asked for this? Why would you ask for something as stupid as this? Are you braindead?" - High Octane Corn Syrup

[sleek sparrow]

the whole reason you block big avatars is cause they are big, no? if the blocked avatar is still similar sized, whats the point?

[ruby needle]

What kinda big are you talking about in this case i wonder?

Actual giant's that are the usual anoying kind, or "normal" size meaning likly 2 heads bigger then the average.

[vocal shard]

I think they mean how the placeholder robot will now scale up to 5m.

[ruby needle]

5m definitely seem quite a bit much.

I'd have expected 2,5m-3m

[sleek sparrow]

like its still half the screen in smart karaoke

[vocal shard]

It's up to the old avatar height limit... Although there is no limit now

[sleek sparrow]

and i block tiny avatars in games for being hard to see

[vocal shard]

Dang

[cold talon]

rip jamie

get blocked

[sleek sparrow]

a simple toggle between the new and old behaviour is all i requested

[vocal shard]

I see

still don't understand blocking avatars... But ok

[ruby needle]

a custumizable min and max is the better solution, dont your think? @sleek sparrow

cus you can still have a scaling then, but set what the tiniest acceptable for you is, and the biggest

and still benefit from the major immersion improvement in between when communication with a blocked avatar.

the correct scale allows you to know where to look when talking and you can reliably headpat.

[umbral reef]

Id really rather have a full block
No name plate, no avatar, just boom the person is gone from everything beside the menu.

[ruby needle]

Avatar block and User Block are 2 different things

[sleek sparrow]

i dont give a shit about immersion. if your avatar is blocking the whole tv when im trying to sing, you are getting blocked

if the scale option lets you scale down to the old behaviour, good

and how does it show you where to look if the block is still smaller than the actual avatar with this new behaviour?

[vocal shard]

why is the blocked avatar still a floating robot, just make it a polygon

[ruby needle]

in the in between range is does when it's performance blocked for example, and if a avatar is 20m, and now just 5m, it would still be a massive difference in where you'd end up looking then if you'd try to look at a robot on a universal size, cus you'd basically stare at a big feet then.

@vocal shard to still have some kind of "useable" replacement body

[sleek sparrow]

the robots are not even close to the same shape as some avatars, so physical interaction is also moot regardless

i suggested a toggle because its the easiest: if like you say, everyone wanted this, then why does it need to be complicated?

[vocal shard]

It's really not complicated.. people have just been asked from the start for blocked avatars to match heights

[ruby needle]

The shape is good enough to allow for a some what reasonable social interaction still tho.

[vocal shard]

It's just meant so head and hands mostly match

[ruby needle]

You can properly talk to the person now, eye to eye, instead of staring at theit chest, or way over if they are tiny.

There is also some guesstimated interaction possible, although likly unattractive.

One thing to not forget is that this was basically just implemented, so improvements are likly to come.

I think the ideal one would be a customizable min / max, which would allow everyone to specific it their own wanted way.

And if you'd set it to something like 1,8m min and 1,8m max you'd have the same robot all the time as before. (dunno what the actual size of the default one is)

[sleek sparrow]

if its humanoid maybe but thats irrelevant. i dont see why this couldnt be optional so i hope they fix it

everyone plays different and has reasons for blocking avatars

mine is to stop them from interfering with myenjoyment

[dusky crest]

Anyone know any dark souls avatar worlds

I block avatars if they have screen space effects

Like shaking my screen or shit like that

[potent fern]

I have seen a world with single Dark Soul avatar, Gael, but it has a lot of effects on it.

[vocal shard]

i've heard of anti-crashing software being a thing, is that true? i got crashed 4 times today lol

[umbral reef]

They are out there, most dont do more then what you can do with the base game and are against the rules so can get you banned.

Just disable all animations on all avatars/ranks and for the most part you should be fine.

[vocal shard]

i have only avatar+voice for all ranks except for friends, and with that i'm still getting crashed

[umbral reef]

You sure your being crashed instead of the game itself crashing then?

[undone haven]

Anyone know about whats most important to get good performance in vrchat when using vr? GFX or CPU mostly important?

[vocal shard]

yeah, last time i got crashed i heard someone in the lobby say "now where's my quest crasher" before i got crashed

[eternal chasm]

lol

[umbral reef]

Blocking shitty optimized avatars.
But single core CPU is the most 'important' number on average with how the game functions and it being the first bottleneck when people dont optimize there avatar then

[eternal chasm]

@vocal shard thats a thing?

[sleek sparrow]

ive seen the praise the sun guy once

[potent fern]

I saw that

[jade carbon]

it is a thing yes

[grizzled narwhal]

Hey guys if I make an vrchat account on my pc while I'm waiting on my vr headset to come in can I access that same account with my vr headset so I dont make 2 accounts

[lusty briar]

yes

[jade carbon]

yes and this includes using any hardware oculus being the exception if you use vrc through their software. (just have log in manually more difficult)high advise against all oculus products

im dumb

[lucid sandal]

Yes don’t touch oculus garbage now

[unreal verge]

Anti crashers aren't against TOS as they're not modifying the files :)
There is even a documentation about them on the official website how to set a limiter up.

[ruby needle]

Setting up the included limiter though the config isnt against TOS (obviously)
Anti crash clients are, like any other modified client.

[bleak ember]

So what Vr headset would u recommend someone who’s starting?

[lucid sandal]

Windows Mixed Reality.

[ruby needle]

@bleak ember it's basically a matter of wether or not you are Facebook biased or not.

The Quest 2 is a great starter headset doubling as a portable and pcvr headset, however it does require a Facebook account to use.

[unreal verge]

Yeah I'm talking about the limiters. I just call them anti-crashers since they block the majority of crasher avatars.

[bleak ember]

Oh I mean I heard the rift s is good

[lucid sandal]

Needs Facebook account it’s oculus

[ruby needle]

Definitely would recommend using limiter, anti crasher is usually used for the mod client equivalent.

[supple viper]

Quest 2 is fantastic, just gotta sell ur soul

[ruby needle]

@lucid sandal it doesnt

[bleak ember]

Oh rly? Damn that’s kinda lame

[ruby needle]

Rift S does not need a facebook account til 2023, and even then... it's a matter of if a FB account is an issue for them.

[bleak ember]

Ohh ok

[ruby needle]

The hardware is fine, Rift S's knowin issue are the robo mic issue with some usb controllers.

[unreal verge]

I've my limits set to 30k particles max. Need to tweak the other things around to maybe block mesh crashers and other stuff too.

[bleak ember]

Ah okay thanks

[lucid sandal]

Rift S isn’t very good. Has too many technical issues. The headset could have ran on HDMI 2.1 just fine. They just wanted to limit what people can play.

[bleak ember]

Looks like I might have to sell my soul to Zuck for the quest 2 tbh

[ruby needle]

Rift S's main issue is it's mic, and if your IPD is outside it's range.

[ashen wraith]

if I may ask does the quest 2 work well with VR chat?

[unreal verge]

My IPD is WAY outside the range of rift s lol

[supple viper]

Yeah man I should my soul isn’t that bad as everyone is talking about

[ruby needle]

Quest 2 is a nice piece of hardwar as long as a Facebook account is no problem for you.

You should definitely plan on using it with the link functionality with a PC for VRC tho, if your PC supports it.

[graceful pewter]

and the risk of having your head brick because you posted a bad meme on Facebook

[lucid sandal]

Say word. Lose all games
No

[lusty briar]

who even uses Facebook

[unreal verge]

Just don't post memes or use it at all

[ruby needle]

Do you use WhatsAPP? Instagram? @lusty briar

[lusty briar]

i mean posting on the actual facebook site

[ashen wraith]

mk. Because im getting a quest 2 next month because its the only affordable headset I can really get at the moment. I was going to get the HP reverb g2 until I saw it had bad tracking. and requires a good gaming pc for it.

[potent fern]

well Facebook says they have 2.7 billion monthly active users apparently so quite a lot I would say lol

[ruby needle]

Facebook is still used a lot, it's a matter of which circles you are in.

im still trying to convince my boss we should use Twitter

[potent fern]

I think there is this generation gap on who uses it

[lusty briar]

facebook only bans you for being suspected a robot and that hasnt happened to my Facebook account ever

[ashen wraith]

I already got a VR ready jp velociraptor avatar lol. Its gonna be weird being my first time in VR

[ruby needle]

Or if you use a fake name (which has always been against the TOS)

[lusty briar]

rip to everyone named john doe

[ruby needle]

[potent fern]

Since you have to abide by the Facebook TOS, when it comes to VR, It can be risky on how they decide to enforce it.

[ashen wraith]

I was gonna wait for the DecaGear VR headset but its just a too good to be true atm

[ruby needle]

TOS are always as strict as possible to leave as many options as possible open.

[lusty briar]

as long as your account has a face and a name on it then facebook doesnt really care unless your account is super recent

[ashen wraith]

Yall think the DecaGear is legit? or naw

[unreal verge]

I don't put a picture of myself on Facebook. I just use some other picture.

[potent fern]

yea but when its just a facebook acount its whatever but when you attach a $$ piece of gear on it its worrisome a bit

[ashen wraith]

I just hope they are real.

[potent fern]

Maybe one day.

[ashen wraith]

If they are then their VR headset will be a game changer

all those features for 450$ sounds amazing though. If they are real

[jade carbon]

wait a second.... so we can set avatar performance limitations inside the game files?

[ruby needle]

Yes

Since quite a while

you can even set a customizable dynamic bone limiter

[jade carbon]

Holy small brain...... this should be more known to stop all the crasher losers (atleast mitigate it more)

[unreal verge]

Yeah it's not well known unfortunately

[jade carbon]

Like why does the game show more than 500k particles/polys anyway -_-

[ashen wraith]

I can imagine tho once Linus or some other big youtube does a review on DecaGear and has the actual headset people are gonna be ordering them like crazy and before you know it they are out of stock

[grizzled cloak]

Ok so 😆 , is it possible to change if your name is full caps or not ingame? cuz i just screwed my ingame name up

[ruby needle]

no

[grizzled cloak]

changed my name to DlABEETUS and because its full caps its DLABEETUS :P

[slow cypress]

Gotta wait 2 months

[grizzled cloak]

tried to outsmart the full caps but it ended up not working lol

[whole prairie]

who wanna play ?

[grizzled cloak]

since it shows not full caps on the menus but the title overhead is full caps but welp 2 months with a weird name

[ashen wraith]

If a big youtuber does a review on the DecaGear vr headset what month do yall think it will be in? before the apparent may 2021 shipping.

[jade carbon]

it depends most people may over look it due to it being VR and possibly requiring a pc to run

[ashen wraith]

Id say jan or feb. and ye

[heady lynx]

itll prob also be in may

or april, reviewers usually get their hands on a headset a few weeks to a couple months early

[ashen wraith]

true.

[jade carbon]

I wish these limitations were not done by file but rather in game sliders..... REEE

[potent fern]

ill wait until its out to judge, if it keeps breaking all the time this is no good.

[ashen wraith]

We could get a sneak peak in Feb tho or early march

[heady lynx]

probably

im still not getting my hopes up on it being the godsent headset theyre promising

its def gonna be a headset its just a matter of it living up to all its promises

[ashen wraith]

If they are real though with all the promises they will literally change the VR market as a whole

[heady lynx]

its just hella sketchy tho so idk

yeah fr, i hope its all true

[jade carbon]

I say its 50/50 it will be even a working thing

[ashen wraith]

like once DecaGear comes out if all their promises are real we will probably never see a vr headset over 600$ again with so many great features.

Because other companies will see this as an opportunity

[potent fern]

price reduction on the index soon after?

[vocal shard]

Decagear is raising their price after the preorder time

[ashen wraith]

damn. Hopefully it wont be over 600$

[vocal shard]

It's about $600 iirc

[ashen wraith]

600$ is fine anything over that is overpriced

[vocal shard]

But still, with inside out tracking... And we don't know the quality of the displays

High resolution is one thing. Good displays is another

[fathom dirge]

Hola Vrchat ... Discord como estas hi

[vocal shard]

That's why like the oculus rift s looks much better than something like a Lenovo wmr with higher resolution

[ashen wraith]

The HP reverb g2 would have been an amazing VR headset if it didnt have shitty tracking.

[vocal shard]

And.... The decagear is using a similar inside out tracking system.

So far only oculus seems to have gotten competitive inside out tracking. Wmr is ok, and cosmos is terrible

We have to wait and see how decagear does

[ashen wraith]

lets hope decagear does amazing.

or at least has decent quality tracking.

[grizzled narwhal]

So if I make an account on pc will I be able to enter the same account on valve index or I'll have to make another account

[vocal shard]

Yes. Make an account on vrchat.com, and you can use that account on all devices

[grizzled narwhal]

Ok thank u so much

[vocal shard]

Look this is the only server me and zenze are in tried to tell him things got busy since covid and im blocked? What do u want me to do? Move on? If i dont do I will be permanently blocked

[potent fern]

[vocal shard]

If someone could talk to him that would be great

[jade carbon]

sounds likke drama

[vocal shard]

Its not drama i just want to know why im blocked? I really got busy things not been the same since covid

Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a great day, I am hosting a rave tonight in about a hour if you want to add me feel free its 'DE4N.' my username it will be friends plus invite your friends and such, I will be playing music all night for everyone. People will come but you can bring more, please come and have fun!

@plucky stratus can u unblock me

[tulip trench]

Not sure if this is the right chat but I’m having an issue with the rift cv1 and steamvr where whenever I try to load into the hub it gets stuck in world initialization then throws me back into steamvr home

[potent fern]

when you say the Hub, you talking about a specific world in VrChat?
IF yes are you able to reach any other world?

[dry hare]

[tulip trench]

Nah it’s not letting me load into any worlds @potent fern

[frosty scarab]

Finally

[red fable]

Probably an extremely retarded question i'm about to type out but

But I noticed in the VRC+ video it says you get "Increased Trust", what would that do if you're already a Trusted User? Do you go to Trusted User- or Trusted User+ I'm actually confused.

[west yoke]

It doesn't really benefit you if you're Trusted already

[red fable]

F

I'll still get it though.

[west yoke]

yeah that should be applied but since you're already "max" trust rank there's not much benefit seen from it.

[red fable]

I mean there is that cool 2 badges you get right?

[vocal shard]

Increased trust just means a couple points towards your trust level. The same as adding friends puts a couple points to your trust level.

I like vrchat+... They need a way to get some sort of monetization before funds run out

[red fable]

@vocal shard I was a Veteran User when we first got the ranking system is it applied to that or is it separate?

[vocal shard]

It's all the same trust rank system

[red fable]

Also why are you being toxic dude, we don't need that. Chill.

[west yoke]

It doesn't even affect trust rank too heavily

[white latch]

The points you get from it aren't enough to rank you up :|

[red fable]

Well i'm already a Trusted and you think running these servers are free?

[vocal shard]

I mean, you could just ignore it and not be toxic about it?

It has nothing to do with getting trusted user. You can't even rank out of visitor by just getting+

[coarse meteor]

Hey so anyone wanna help me make my vrchat stop lagging and becoming a slideshow?

[vocal shard]

Turn safety on maximum

[red fable]

@coarse meteor Oculus or Steam?

[coarse meteor]

@red fable steam

[ruby tiger]

lmao

[candid fiber]

Use default avatar in default world

[red fable]

Restart Steam. What's your Specs looking like. @vocal shard Literally trolling at this point.

[coarse meteor]

@vocal shard my computer should be good enough to see other peoples models and the world its ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060

[vocal shard]

You realize the game needs a source of income, or it will die

[ruby tiger]

let him refund the game /s

[red fable]

Nani

[coarse meteor]

@red fable its ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060

[ruby tiger]

do you hate Patreon too?

[white latch]

[vocal shard]

Either you're completely misunderstanding what vrchat + is... Or idk .. just trying to start an argument for the meme

[red fable]

Ah yes, I also remember when the VRChat devs put microtransactions for a chance to get VRC+, for pride and accomplishment @vocal shard

Gotta be trolling at this point

[candid fiber]

Nothing

[red fable]

@coarse meteor Yeah try restarting Steam

[white latch]

jokes on you I already preordered vrc+ last night by running into the pug and t-posing while shouting "I declare VRChat plus!"

system said so

[red fable]

Wait wait so let me get this straight.

[white latch]

I will buy VRChat plus twice on two different accounts

[ruby tiger]

Twitch Turbo is probably worse

[vocal shard]

I have a 2070 and an i7 and I still have issues sometimes, it’s optimization problem, try limiting dynamic bones?

[red fable]

You've got enough to buy a 1000$ gaming PC, like 200$+ for a VR Headset, Probably Full body tracking. You probably buy hentai on the side and pay for a commissioned model, but you can give 10$ or 100$ a year to support the game.

[white latch]

yeah I'm just having fun at this point

[west yoke]

And why is it that it's so bad? That you feel entitled because the game was completely free for users before? But now they add a subscription service with minimal features to it and it's an awful thing because you don't get them for free?

[red fable]

am I reading this right?

[candid fiber]

With the type of avatar people use. No wonder that have bad performance

[white latch]

thank you I am indeed a rock, I am 70% rock.

[red fable]

Can't wait till this dude finds out he's living on a floating space rock @white latch

[candid fiber]

The game still free

[white latch]

I'm typing this by using my epic rock powers. I am a hive mind of various stones of shapes and sizes

[ruby tiger]

Game is free, but the hardware DLC is not

[west yoke]

Okay so unfounded justification on your side

[white latch]

hardware dlc is the funniest way I've ever seen it explained

[vocal shard]

most people who buy it are asshats? wut?

[rancid vessel]

Does anybody know if I download the open beta and go over 16 favorite avatars and go back after doing some tests with open beta.. Would i lose my favorite avatars or would it just show as 17/16 favorites on regular vrchat build?

[candid fiber]

Fbt dlc ouf

[ruby tiger]

Read the announcement channel for open beta

[white latch]

Read this #open-beta-announcements message

Also if you go back to live after doing the beta uninstall the game and reinstall it or otherwise you'll probably have issues

[rancid vessel]

Oof I see. Thanks for the help guys.

[frosty scarab]

I can't take you seriously your pfp and name just can't 😂

[ruby tiger]

That's sad

[vocal shard]

Imagine coming in here and giving constructive criticism instead of yelling “vrc+ bad! Trash garbage poop! Bad bad! Much Money grab”

[red fable]

I'm not sure if you actually hate it or you're just banwagoning.

[white latch]

I'm like 90% sure they're a troll

[ruby tiger]

Sounds like a kid

[vocal shard]

honestly the only thing that bothers me is the price. For the rest its fine.

[red fable]

Okay Mr @vocal shard give me 3 reasons why you hate it so much.

[west yoke]

They did, and they were all dumb.

[white latch]

Yeah that's probably the biggest issue a majority of people have reasonably

[vocal shard]

Keep in mind that steam is taking 30% of the profit. So monthly vrchat is getting around $7 per person, and yearly they get closer to $5

[red fable]

Fire Emblem has Microtransactions for a chance to get something VRC+ is 100% chance to get something.

@vocal shard They are doing VRC+ through Steam? They should do it through the website.

[vocal shard]

was about to say pop it through the site and bam

[west yoke]

It's better through steam as VRChat will not be responsible for credit card information and the like. Steam will be instead.

[vocal shard]

It's through steam so they don't have to deal with payments

[red fable]

@west yoke Fair enough but if they didn't do it through steam they would get most of the profit.

[ruby tiger]

Steam supports recurring payments?

[vocal shard]

right, so at this point the price is based on steams 30% cut then

[white latch]

Ah that makes sense

[white latch]

Yeah they have it with ESO

[frosty scarab]

Yes

[red fable]

They've done it with Tera

[frosty scarab]

Yea vrc+ isn't that bad

[red fable]

How bad what is. Context please?

[frosty scarab]

No you fucking wrong

[ruby tiger]

Just read his previous messages, they're pretty funny

[frosty scarab]

There's more pros than cons for vrc+

[white latch]

Honestly thank god custom icons are behind VRC+
Less edgy kids thinking they're funny putting something inappropriate as their icon.

[red fable]

@ruby tiger Yeah I was probably the one who started him up with asking if I buy VRC+ as a Trusted User do I go to a Trusted User- as a joke. He just turned super saiyan after that.

[frosty scarab]

Fuck you

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard Honestly my issue with it is they're asking you to pay them but they still havent added shit they've promised for well over a year

[ruby tiger]

oof, ouch, the rules

[vocal shard]

o.o

[frosty scarab]

Fuck you you sound like a fucking 9 year old

[red fable]

@dusky crest It's not as simple as flipping a switch though, you add something you break like 20 other things.

[dusky crest]

Such as more favoruites (yeah they're increasing it by 6 big whoop), they havent added being able to turn down peoples volume individually, shit like that

[frosty scarab]

Just stop talking to me

Not always nice calling someone useless

[ruby tiger]

i am 24 year old
lmao

[dusky crest]

@red fable Shit wont break by allowing me to turn peoples volume down individually, or being able to turn down how far you can hear

cause guess what, modded clients already do that :pog:

[red fable]

@vocal shard I mean if you're that old you could at least type grammatically correct sentences lol.

[vocal shard]

People coming in here like:

Top ten reasons VRC+ is bad!!
1.i don’t like it!
2.money grab!
3.dev no fix bug hehe
4.trust boost bad!!
5.People will feel superior :o
6.new nameplate CVR copy teehee
7.vrchat scared of neos 😱
8.i still don’t like it!
9.its trash!! Throw it in the trash!
10.microtransaction bad! It’s not like micro transaction but I compare anyways!!

[frosty scarab]

Ok then leave the server if fuck the rules

[ruby tiger]

He'gone

[red fable]

@dusky crest Oh I thought you was talking about multiplayer dynamic bones.

[frosty scarab]

Am I in trouble

[shut zodiac]

[dusky crest]

I mean modded clients can do that too

[white latch]

Don't forget 11. "I use a client that does the same things 😏"

[dusky crest]

Modded clients support you being able to interact with peoples dynamic bones

[white latch]

There it is /joke

[red fable]

Yeah but that's against ToS.

[vocal shard]

Do not discuss modded clients please

[dusky crest]

so it's not far-fetched to think that vrchat can support it themselves

[vocal shard]

Oh my lord

[frosty scarab]

I didn't get banned?

[shut zodiac]

Fun fact, modded clients break VRChat TOS Section 9

[vocal shard]

Do you want more bugs? That’s how you get more bugs.

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard I'm saying that as an example to show that features like that wouldn't break the game, as people have already added it themselves

[frosty scarab]

Oh nvm

[vocal shard]

wait..people talked about modded stuff... a few hours ago? why is it not allowed anymore

[white latch]

When kids can optimize their dynamic bones then we can have good things.

[dusky crest]

people should'nt have to break tos to get features that the vrchat team has told them they'll add but never have

[vocal shard]

A lot of those are planned already. A new physics system that's less taxing than dynamic bones is planned

[west yoke]

Indeed but the main concern about that is performance. In a similar game called CVR they support it and they explicitly tell you it can hurt performance really badly.

[frosty scarab]

I want dynamic bones on my avatar but they're expensive

[white latch]

👀

[dusky crest]

Okay but shit like individual volume, hearing range, and all that has been "planned" since last year

[hollow ingot]

👀

[vocal shard]

That's one of the reasons we moved to avatars 3.0

[shut zodiac]

Can we talk about the church of cloth sim? Gosh, i love cloth

[frosty scarab]

Yea

[white latch]

I'm 99% sure I saw a dev specifically say that was coming with the UI revamp that's coming soon after vrc+

[dusky crest]

cloth physics laggy af

[vocal shard]

The new avatars system allows for much much more performant avatars with way more features they can built on in the future, but it needs more adoption first. Most avatars are still 2.0

[white latch]

Hot tip: Dynamic bones is 10$ on unity right now.

[frosty scarab]

I actually need a vrchat designer

[red fable]

But I already bought Dynamic bones,

[ruby tiger]

Well, time to buy it again

[frosty scarab]

Do you make vrchat avatars

[dusky crest]

I don't think that VRChat+ is a bad thing, I just think it's a bit off considering they're talking about adding more features for vrchat+ users when we're still waiting on empty promises from a while ago

[vocal shard]

imagine not having dyna bones alrdy

[dusky crest]

I get swapping to 3.0 can help with that, but like come on, people are using modded clients just so they can turn down people who like to scream

[vocal shard]

I mean, how exactly do you expect them to fill those promises if they don’t have the money to do it 🤷‍♂️

[white latch]

Again, the devs confirmed that with the UI update we're getting this.

[dusky crest]

its not that difficult tho @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Are you a developer?

[white latch]

We can actually already see parts of the UI update in the beta right now so it doesn't seem too far off.

[dusky crest]

are you

[peak ermine]

several people are typing

[dusky crest]

It's not rocket science to be able to impliment something like that, the community is already doing it themselves

[vocal shard]

the community is always ahead of the curve ❤️

[candid fiber]

We won get the new UI right now

[vocal shard]

Without any regard to breaking the game.

[white latch]

I mean, I technically am if you count having to learn C# to code a curtain and tear through Unity's documentation.

I don't know if you read my last two messages about it but we're getting a UI revamp soon after the VRC+ update which has been confirmed by a dev to include individual user volume adjustment.

[frosty scarab]

When I get the quest 2 for Christmas, imma make a short message in vrchat to send to my dad to introduce him to it

And wish him a merry Christmas or something

As a gift

[vocal shard]

Sure, ok there are people that make mods for interactive dynamic bones. Sure. You claim, it doesn’t break the game. Doesn’t cause any lag.. but I guarantee you turn it on globally for everyone and join a big public lobby. Won’t go over well for your frames

lol

[white latch]

Yeah sure it's simple to do it client-side! What about server side is basically what it all boils down to.

[frosty scarab]

Question, can you use hand tracking for quest using alvr without it being as "modding" @ Jamie Vatarga#0944

[vocal shard]

@ denied

[frosty scarab]

I did that on purpose

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard except people have done it themselves with no issue

modded clients already do it, how many times do I have to say that

[vocal shard]

🙄

[dusky crest]

its literally just player-based volume, that wont break anything

[white latch]

I don't think he's reading anything we're saying

[dusky crest]

the whole game isn't gonna collapse on itself by being able to turn some squeaker's volume down

[hollow ingot]

fps go 💥

[ruby tiger]

you think so, but you can never be sure

[vocal shard]

servers go brrrrrr

[dusky crest]

what do you even mean by that

[worthy oracle]

global dynamic bones has been implemented with no lag and even optimization of the dyn bones

[dusky crest]

^

[white latch]

"just press the button that adds the feature bro that's how it works!"

[worthy oracle]

if others have done it it’s possible

[dusky crest]

^

[white latch]

I'm going to break a fuse.

[dusky crest]

Like literally, modded clients man. People have just gone to adding these quality-of-life features themselves and there's been no issue

[worthy oracle]

individual player volume adjustment isn’t hard to code at all either

[vocal shard]

Again, please do not discuss modded clients or what they can do

anythings possible if you are brave enough to venture the public worlds

Also a PSA: I believe someone admitted in the discord before to having a modded client and they got banned. I’d tread carefully if I were you

[dusky crest]

hell people with modded clients objectively have better performance than normal players

[vocal shard]

^false

[dusky crest]

except it's not false

[worthy oracle]

well, there’s things that can optimize the game more and I hope to see those come to the base game

[vocal shard]

Nobody reads apparently.

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard There's no use denying that they exist. I'm bringing them up because it's a proof of concept that these features work fine and can be added with ease

[ruby tiger]

#rules ~

[white latch]

yeah but you're discussing stuff that literally breaks tos

[dusky crest]

I'm annoyed because I DON'T use a modded client. People shouldn't HAVE to use a client just to get basic features

[vocal shard]

no one reads the rules.. it just states no discussin or explaining to people how to hack

[dusky crest]

that's my issue

[vocal shard]

no one teaching or telling anyone how to

[dusky crest]

I aint condoning the use of modded clients, I get mildly annoyed when being shoot into the sky for no reason. I'm saying that these community made mods already support features that the devs have promised for a while

[vocal shard]

Nobody is denying their existence.

Clients have security risks, and many of them have hacked in code, which may work now, but won't be supported in the future. The reason these things are being delayed on the main game is because much of he code is likely being rewritten for better stability and future proofing

[dusky crest]

It's always "we're gonna add it soon" like it's been "gonna" for over a year

[worthy oracle]

well devs said themselves lots of the features modded clients have are what they want to implement in the future but I believe that discussion was like over a year ago and it’s still not here

[abstract vault]

I pee my pants.

[dusky crest]

@worthy oracle that's exactly my point

like you don't want people to use modded clients? How about you add the features people go to modded clients for that you don't support

[ruby tiger]

They don't have to

[worthy oracle]

but it seems they are trying to make the game better. they made avatar 3.0 and udon and are overhauling ui and stuff. maybe these things come after

[dusky crest]

don't give them a reason to use them

[vocal shard]

Exactly... They already confirmed this

“Just add the features” says someone who would not know how to make it themselves.

Like I said. Much of the game is currently being reworked

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard Again, it's not rocket science just to be able to turn someone's volume down

[vocal shard]

cant wait to see the game being stable again tho

[dusky crest]

it's no different than turning volume down in settings, it's that but per person

[candid fiber]

Add feature now 🔫

[vocal shard]

like all those poor people who are 1st in the server going brrrrrrrr

[white latch]

"just press the button that adds it!"

[worthy oracle]

Yeah it’s just a waiting game but at least we know that there is active effort finally to touch upon these things and more

I’m excited to see the improvements they can make

[orchid raptor]

Making a choice to use something just because it's something YOU want that isn't accessable is entitlement; be patient, or don't play. Frustration is logical to have when things can be more efficient, but that does justify breaking ToS because of impatience. If you don't like how the game is, don't play it.

That's like trying to justify using hacks in an online multiplayer game, "just because they want to play it that way", even though it's not intentional.

If the devs want to program something, let them. If not, and you don't like it, don't play, it's a simple concept. This is their game, not yours.

[pale swan]

My eyes are itchy lowkey

[vocal shard]

we..make the game what it is tho

there isnt much out there besides what the community put out there

Ima commit fork outlet

[pale swan]

Toaster bath 🛁

[worthy oracle]

Bad

[vocal shard]

Ima slip on ice and get covered in boo boos

i dont say take whatever we say as DO IT but atleast listen abit.

[pale swan]

You good bro you wanna talk little bean?

[worthy oracle]

why doe, das not good

[vocal shard]

Haha no I’m good XD I’ll admit myself to weenie hut general

[dusky crest]

@orchid raptor ok but people don't use modded clients to gain an unfair advantage, hell alot of clients actually stop you from gaining an unfair advantage in udon games, people use them because vrchat doesn't have quality-of-life features that they need

[peak ermine]

🥱

[vocal shard]

Nobody reads, nobody listens

[worthy oracle]

it’ll come with time hopefully, I think the better updates come after ui overhaul for QoL features