#vrchat-general-2

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dark harness
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I set two alarms, one to put in the bacon, and then another one for if I don't get awakened by the smell of bacon

snow wadi
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Plot twist: the second one never goes off.

white latch
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*fire alarm*
System wakes up wondering if it's the bacon or the VRChat servers

dark harness
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Oh no! The servers!

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crams the alarm clock in his mouth and throws the bacon out the window

snow wadi
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That's fine, we can plus it to fix it!

amber juniper
white latch
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Man, I just use my broken hairdryer for cooking bacon. Works like a charm, the electrical taste to the bacon adds pizazz.

heady salmon
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Not the bacon! tanabae

dark harness
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are you saying "pizzazz" or is that the sound of you getting electrocuted

river pagoda
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Anyone else having alot of crashing issues on the oculus quest 2?

white latch
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both

west hamlet
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falls through the ceiling Hey everyone how are you guys today

dark harness
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CHRISTMAS CAME IN NOVEMBER!

snow wadi
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No system!

dark harness
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no, you pack your bags and you don't come back until December 1

next dune
west hamlet
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uh

heady salmon
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"No, you can't just celebrate Christmas for two whole months already! Respect Thanksgiving!" "Haha jinglebells go ding dong."

dark harness
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Canadian Thanksgiving is in October so there are NO GUARDRAILS HERE

amber juniper
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we don't have thanksgiving ;)

vocal shard
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It’s the most, wonderful ti—shut. Up. Please. Make it stop

dark harness
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the Halloween decorations come down and Santa's jolly head starts poppin' out

white latch
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Haha jokes on Christmas! My birthday comes first!

vivid mortar
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my best friend is albertan and thinks christmas is a year round event

dark harness
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Mariah Carey begins to appear

heady salmon
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Do people have their halloween decorations up in September?

west hamlet
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Its not easy being named christmas

snow wadi
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What if we just put a Christmas hat on a pumpkin?

west hamlet
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I like it

next dune
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Then its Santa Pumpkin

dark harness
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I feel like next year I want to create one post-vaccine super-holiday that's just EVERY holiday

vocal shard
heady salmon
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festivus

snow wadi
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This Christmas I'll vrchat with friends and family...well almost all of the family. Can't convince everyone to put on a headset.

dark harness
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come to my place, eat some pumpkin pie, we'll shoot off some fireworks, eat some hot dogs around a grill, wave a canadian flag a little, drink some warm wintery mulled wine, open some presents and inside those presents? A PINATA. and if you trick or treat, I'll give you easter candy. Then we'll all have a moment of silence to remember the troops.

snow wadi
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Or even have a capable machine.

west hamlet
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I started a war just by being named christmas ive never felt so special

vocal shard
dark harness
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I'll pelt you with some colourful powders, we'll roast a boar and light some candles, eat a mooncake, hand out some little red envelopes, wear a kimono, light a menorah, it'll be a weird rager

golden scaffold
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are we discussing the crime that is playing Christmas music in November?

heady salmon
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In some places, every day is a holiday, technically.

snow wadi
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@dark harness the second I arrive at the airport they'll just toss me back out.

vocal shard
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I want to come to this event. This sounds amazing 😅

dark harness
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... amongst other things, yes

snow wadi
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It's not a crime if you have it on mute.

white latch
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I once went to an airport! They kicked me out because I brought my broken hairdryer to cook bacon.

dark harness
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I kinda got distracted by describing my plans to celebrate every human festival as quickly as I can maybe 10 days after my second injection

white latch
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I'm now on the no-flight list and wanted in all 50 states

golden scaffold
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I spent the better part of the past 20 minutes reading System's responses to things, they're too good

snow wadi
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Second injection? What was the first?

vocal shard
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System is awesome, I like system.

dark harness
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I once went to an airport! I brought a pillow and some blankets and took my clothes off and everything. Anyways I'm no longer welcome at the Tacoma airport

snow wadi
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You did alot of undressing I see.

vocal shard
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Are you welcome anywhere in Tacoma?

amber juniper
dark harness
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Short answer: no
Long answer: noooo

I'm one of those jerks who's been taking business flights long enough that I show up in sweatpants and tube socks and sandals

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FLIGHT IS HELL, I HAVE BECOME ONE WITH IT

vocal shard
amber juniper
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^^

snow wadi
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We are now escorting a strange man out of the aircraft, please remain in your seats while we complete this process

white latch
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Probably bought a seat ticket for the body pillow.

iron cobalt
dire verge
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are we alowed to @ people

snow wadi
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Have you ever gotten a pillow in flight and got a poker face from the flight attendant when you ask for another?

amber juniper
snow wadi
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Also, @dark harness get some sleep.

dark harness
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Good idea! I'll get my pillow and blankets. Watch out, Tacoma!

amber juniper
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leave Tacoma alone!

dark harness
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I'M COMING FOR YOU, TACOMA

muted wharf
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why tacoma

snow wadi
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Oh God system please no.

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I'm worried one day he'll be stuck with airport security because of his shenanigans xD

dark harness
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So, there's an incredibly long and boring story where I use "Tacoma" whenever I'm trying to think of a funny city name, because I think "Tacoma" is a funny name for a city, because I live in Vancouver and the american TV I had growing up was always from Washington, and for some reason the city name that always stuck with me wasn't Seattle or Linden or Other-Worse-Vancouver, it was TACOMA WASHINGTON

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I've only been to Tacoma once, it was extremely disappointing

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for one thing, I got thrown out of all of these places for what I think are pretty stupid reasons

snow wadi
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So this was all spun from just the name of the city.

iron cobalt
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anyways, after that, I stopped keeping a thinkpad next to my bed - or, standing it up on its side against a wall. All I keep next to the bed now is a running George Foreman grill, which I use to heat up bacon that I'm going to eat for breakfast
@dark harness Err...

What about potential fire hazard???

dark harness
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LIFE is a potential fire hazard

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do you want to let that stand between you and bacon?

amber juniper
dark harness
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Admittedly the polyester shag carpet does make it a bit touch and go

vocal shard
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"sir for the 68th time, you cannot bring your blankets and body pillows on the tacoma airlines..."

dark harness
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But hey, who doesn't like bacon with a little texture

sharp saddle
muted wharf
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I just have a weight down on my spacebar with emacs open to preheat my laptop overnight in preparation for morning breakfast

vocal shard
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Apparently some people use hair dryers.

amber juniper
dark harness
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VRChat on Emacs

amber juniper
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just wanted to say that xD

muted wharf
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we need a version of our webapp that's compatible with lynx

amber juniper
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emacs is a good OS, it just lacks a usable editor

dark harness
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one of our devs is so bonkers for emacs that it's actually more likely that VRChat-emacs integrations exist than support for hilarious joke platforms like Mac or PS4

vocal shard
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daaamn yall still awake

muted wharf
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I play VRChat on a Mac technically :(

dark harness
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You play VRChat on a BED OF LIES

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SO DO I BUT MY BED OF LIES HAS A GEORGE FORMAN GRILL NEXT TO IT

muted wharf
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Did you steal my desktop while I wasn't home? Thing heats up like one.

dark harness
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Was it hard to get running on the mac? You're using Parallels, right?

muted wharf
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Yeah, just bumping up vram a little bit and it just works out of the box

inland knot
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Mac desktop vrchat session with the boys

muted wharf
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Geometry goes crazy sometimes in mirrors but that's about it

dark harness
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pfft, nobody in VRChat even uses mirrors

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_>

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<_<

muted wharf
light dust
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lies

snow wadi
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Well I need to have my lunch and get cracking on my world after, @dark harness much live to you and your laid back approach, you made my day. And live you all very much! ❤️

amber juniper
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next VRChat update in the changelogs:

  • removed mirrors
snow wadi
vocal shard
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Mirror? did someone say mirror? I need a mirror

light dust
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il leave if that happends

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updating name to deleted lol

muted wharf
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VRChat Changelogs:
- Removed shadow demons

dark harness
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I have to be incredibly clear that VRChat+ HD Mirrors are not a real feature, it's a hoax concocted by members of our community, but also that I think that that is a very funny hoax

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A+++ top notch hoaxing

light dust
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replace mirrors with ones and zero's

muted wharf
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We should ship hmd "HD Lens Inserts" that are like those "HD Sunglasses", whatever the hell those are supposed to be

vocal shard
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I've been fed lies.

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Yo nyx are you talking about those shaded glasses that were supposed to "make colors look better" XDD

dark harness
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It's good that we have responsible team members on our community team who know how badly misinformation can get out of control, because if I'd been responsible for announcing VRChat+ I'd have made up a whole bunch of meaningless joke features

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"VRChat+ users will be first in line for punch"

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"VRChat+ users can take your wallet, whenever they like, and they don't have to explain why"

light dust
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there isn't many "features that i can see atm to start with"

vocal shard
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@dark harness You should get a psychologist in vrc to study just why mirrors are so mesmerizing to a player

umbral reef
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Sounds like we need to give system full control over an April 1 update

light dust
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^

muted wharf
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VRChat+ : "An extra nugget for your nuggie box"

dark harness
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Dr. Narcissus might have an idea

amber juniper
vocal shard
light dust
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Do ET

amber juniper
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propably the same thing

light dust
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watch vrchat start melting muhahaha

muted wharf
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All of my April 1 ideas get promptly rejected by Ron coming out of nowhere :(

dark harness
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Every time I get the company to give me the mic for any length of time, they claw it back before too long because I'm TOO REAL

umbral reef
vocal shard
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-Removed the chat from VRChat, there will be no chatting allowed anymore

light dust
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put a chat system in vrchat ahahaha

dark harness
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and by 'claw it back' I mostly mean 'they ask me to make small but sensible changes to my blog posts until I give up and don't want to write them anymore'

iron cobalt
dark harness
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GOOD WRITING IS NOT DONE BY COMMITTEE

muted wharf
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Everyone is set to a knuckle avatar, speech gets automatically muted and replaced by bass-boosted morse code.

dark harness
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it is done by me, a crazy person

light dust
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PLEASE do it

umbral reef
light dust
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knuckles ftw

dark harness
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I have, no lies, 100% proposed that exact idea, change everybody's avatar to the same avatar on April 1

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I claimed to have that power as server operator

muted wharf
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It's probably the easiest go-to

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I'm fairly certain that's doable.

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Like a 2-minute thing to write

dark harness
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It was shot down when I revealed that I did not have a plan to set those avatars back after the day was up

muted wharf
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Eh, they'll figure it out

umbral reef
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Pfff where is the fun in undoing your prank

vocal shard
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Right ^

dark harness
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Also when I proposed it, this was back in the days of VRChat's worst bugginess, and so the final nail in my April 1 proposal was the idea that our users would simply think that it was an accident and not a prank

iron cobalt
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just solder a new one and reuse the connector?
@amber juniper Hopefully someday! I would first need to test it with my multimeter, and for that I need batteries, and I would also have to learn how to solder that plastic-wire connection without damaging the plastic... Or do it further back on the cable, but last time I tried to splice cables I mangled my old mouse's cable very, very badly.

vocal shard
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Makes since I remember at the time people where getting there accounts hacked and avatars changed to somthing malicious

light dust
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accounts locked to only one avatar for one day 🙂

dark harness
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VRChat has never been stable enough to confidently execute on a good prank. I did promise one of our employees that I'd consider hiding an entire text adventure in our website code one day.

vocal shard
muted wharf
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We need a thisavatardoesnotexist.com kinda thing

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random ai-dreamed avatars

dark harness
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🤔

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that would be awesome

iron cobalt
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I just have a weight down on my spacebar with emacs open to preheat my laptop overnight in preparation for morning breakfast
@muted wharf Referencing https://xkcd.com/1172/ by any chance?

muted wharf
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yes!

dark harness
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THIS IS WHAT THE REFRANCE

inland knot
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Can we just put the entire first VRchat Dev update copypasta in the website code

muted wharf
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Also, entirely looking forward to the knuckle-miku-wolfboy abomination that an AI will dream up

inland knot
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hi my name is tupper and welcome to the first

light dust
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😄

dark harness
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oh, boy, I wonder if any of my original patch notes are still around

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in our first year, I would sneak patch notes in because I had access to the patch notes word doc

umbral reef
amber juniper
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which reminds me of that Atom editor bug, where the cursor blinking caused one thread to be pinned at 100% utilization if the editor window lost focus

muted wharf
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I remember a friend of mine recently asking for those kind of patch notes back lol

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Hearing that gives me horrifying flashbacks to Atlassian's Discord/Slack/Teams/etc clone that'd just pin your cpu at 100% if you highlighted any text

dark harness
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I created "edition" names for them, like the "Not Sure If Better" Edition, and the "The Internet Is A Series of Tubes" edition

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I'd always do this on patches that were far enough back in the history that nobody was looking at them

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old patches would just get weirder and weirder

iron cobalt
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Sounds hilarious.

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Would these patch notes be found on Steam?

white latch
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Give us update names or give us death

ancient flame
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...

dark harness
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I have an ancient document here, I can pick out some of the stuff that didn't get caught in post

amber juniper
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"Mods can now turn off players' mics if the player is singing 80' pop hits"

vocal shard
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"Mods can dance if they want to - they can leave their friends behind"

umbral reef
dark harness
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that one's a one-two punch because it IS an 80's pop hit

white latch
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Man, remember the old old old VRChat hub

dark harness
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I think my memory goes as far back as "campfire"

white latch
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yes campfire hub, the one with the big stone box with mirror inside

dark harness
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I guess I was around for the creation of the idea of "hub" so that's gotta have been the first one

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before that it just opened to a server browser

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I was also around for the idea of "home" which I championed relentlessly because just dropping me into a room full of randos every time I started the app was going to give me a heart attack

vocal shard
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I miss the old loading screen

white latch
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lmao.
Yeah.
I remember first finding out about the game because I found a video recommended to me that had all these people just goofing off and such back when the avatar poly limit was 10k.(and before Ugandan knuckles)

dark harness
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I proposed that every time we make a hub, we include a portal to the previous hub, so that we could create an endless chain of hubs

muted wharf
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I still often go hang out in the old medieval hub with people

white latch
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A hub in a hub in a hub in a hub in a hub in a hub in a hub in a-

shut zodiac
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Gaia Night = Best Map HueHuePoi

dark harness
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that'd be, uh, campfire, medieval big tree with mirror room, cube-shaped-trees-and-too-big, and now forest-hub

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I think? did I miss a hub?

muted wharf
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I believe that's it, yeah

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Besides seasonal hubs

woven quest
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guys how do u make friends in vrchat

dark harness
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as soon as I make one I'll tell you

umbral reef
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Im still kinda amazed that when i started playing that unless you uploaded your own avatar you had to find the avatar world each time you launched
The game felt so great at the same time while barely anything was inside of it

white latch
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holy shit Gaia's night I almost forgot about that one

muted wharf
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hub where you can chainsaw-eat apples isn't public anymore unfortunately :(

white latch
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Rest In Peace the apple eating contests.

dark harness
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Hah! Before we launched "favorite avatars" we had to launch "avatars that are persistent at all between VRChat runs"

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because you're right, that wasn't a feature for a while

white latch
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Damn

iron cobalt
white latch
vocal shard
broken plover
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I remember using a public avatar and then the next day I had to go back to the world to get the avatar. Man people today are spoiled with their "16 sLoTs ArEn'T eNoUgH"

iron cobalt
umbral reef
white latch
dark harness
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It started at 10K, I think
😄 I tried to learn to make an avatar, made a whole video about it, and then they wouldn't let me post the video because it ended with me getting frustrated and hacking the poly limit out of the SDK. which, I guess, makes sense in retrospect.

vocal shard
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I remember playing the deathrun when it changed your avatar to roblox man and the favorite system was not around yet so you had to always go to get your original avatar back

umbral reef
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Ayy-- I didnt make my first avatar until i got an account with my proper name

white latch
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My first avatar was also my first experience at 3D modeling, it was The Knight from HollowKnight

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Well, not first experience but first time ever completing a model. And also my first time rigging and texturing a model.

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If you've ever seen the short one with no arms you know the one.

iron cobalt
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My first avatar was probably the fastest character I have ever modelled.

sharp saddle
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This is the most social I've seen you, System. fingerguns

iron cobalt
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I literally did it in a night and early in the day. Little did I know that the perspective would be broken and I needed a different SDK to upload... but the model itself was made ludicrously quickly compared to how long it normally takes.

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System seems pretty nice.

pseudo basalt
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I spent 2 days trying to upload a straight import mmd

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And it ended up being really scuffed

dark harness
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I've often wanted to post in Discord, but then I didn't because I worried that it would go badly (I, also, can be painfully shy in unfamiliar situations, and I have a lot of bad experiences with some nastier early-VRChat trolls)... but then I broke the seal and now it's fun >_>

inland knot
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oh yeah, system can we get a jpeg of the vrc+ cat

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its a big cutie and i need this in my life

severe hinge
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yo if i buy vrc plus will it stop people from ripping my private avatars

sharp saddle
severe hinge
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thats sarcasm btw -.-

iron cobalt
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oh yeah, system can we get a jpeg of the vrc+ cat
@inland knot Why would you want a jpeg over a lossless PNG?

sharp saddle
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Hard to read over text.

dark harness
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The job just makes the context different - It changes what I'm allowed to say and how I'm allowed to say it, and I wasn't necessarily confident I could smoothly navigate that social context?

inland knot
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honestly, dont care whether its a jpeg or png

dark harness
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It's also one of the reasons I don't hang in VRChat often

inland knot
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i want the catttt

next dune
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Remember when i made my first one. I somehow messed up with the coliders. Evertime i walked forward i move 10 steps backs. But when i move back somehow my avatar was belike: You like flying? Lets go fly high into the sky!

dark harness
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The only thing that can stop people from ripping your private avatars is this rock, which I will sell to you for $500

vocal shard
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@dark harness By any chance could I DM you a question that you or may not be able to awnser?

dark harness
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Eh, I've kept my DMs sealed barrel-tight forever for similar reasons

inland knot
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i had my own low effort 2.0 avatar ripped yesterday and i was like

severe hinge
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at least you admit you cant fix it

inland knot
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lol okay enjoy that scuffed piece of trash lmfao

shut zodiac
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@vocal shard if I remember correctly Zeon is

iron cobalt
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How did you know it was ripped?

vocal shard
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Understandable

dark harness
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Tear marks

inland knot
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its private and the guy walked up to me with my avatar

iron cobalt
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Ah.

vocal shard
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I will say the work the vrchat devs do are godsent. Since playing vrchat i've become so much more social (I was mute for an entire 8 months, didn't speak at all.) playing this game has broken me out and I now have tons of friends i call family, and I'm even in a relationship now BECAUSE of VrChat. If you guys didn't work so hard to maintain this game I wouldn't be where I'm at now and I just wanna stop and say thank you for all your hard work ❤️

inland knot
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he was in desktop with a menu, ended up crashing the entire lobby because noone thought he was funny

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wait i took pictures

iron cobalt
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I wonder if anyone would bother trying to clone my silly whale avatar. Perhaps I should improve it with visemes.

severe hinge
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those are the people we should ban

inland knot
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i took selfies with the guy and some friends

severe hinge
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Also the model that was ripped is a 60 dollar model, and they made it public :/

pseudo basalt
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was it a black and white avatar with a scythe or just a wolf boy

iron cobalt
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Annoying how this channel doesn't support image embeds. Perhaps there should be another general channel that does.

inland knot
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System can we PLEASE have reactions back

iron cobalt
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At what point were they removed? I have only recently noticed that this channel is lacking many features...

dark harness
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I have no idea how to do that, and I trust the decisions of our competent and hard-working discord mods.

The team had to push me to implement private avatars at all. I was a strong proponent of ALL AVATARS ALWAYS PUBLIC, PROPERTY IS JUST AN ILLUSION, MAN and I had to be convinced that people strongly identified with their avatars and didn't like it when they were stolen, and I was like "but they'll just get stolen anyways, and then it'll seem like it's OUR fault" and here we are

inland knot
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Update killed it

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System, Jamie said that the mods dont have access to that. Needs to be someone with discord admin perms

iron cobalt
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The more you write, System, the more I like you...

dark harness
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Whoever that is, it's not me

inland knot
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thanks.

bright nest
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Hi

pseudo basalt
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Private avatars are a pipe dream considering it's unity

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Need to try to not expose your avatar ids

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Just sucks that friends only avatars aren't a thing yet

heady salmon
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"No don't steal my custom avatar I made for myself!" "Haha hacked client go sksksksksk."

iron cobalt
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Are avatar IDs how they are cloned?

hasty wedge
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just dont be selfish and let ppl use it if they like it vrcAevSip

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its just a game xd

bright nest
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Hi Guys I'm new.
I would like to know if you could recommend a vr to play VrChat.

pseudo basalt
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That's fine because rippers like edgy trash :^)

dark harness
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People do pay a lot of money to commission avatars that they feel represent THEM

iron cobalt
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But, I think it is impossible to stop avatars from being ripped without making the software streaming-only or something.

pseudo basalt
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That's how it works except it's also cached

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But how do you prevent people intercepting the traffic

hasty wedge
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but if u let others be tbe avatar u can like kiss its a win win

white latch
iron cobalt
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To be fair, though, even currently, even if you rip the avatar's modelling and files, it will not include all the things used to create it that make it easier to modify, whether image source files or the original, un-subdivided model.

dark harness
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If I could make it so that rips weren't possible, I'd do it, I think, just to protect my own sweet cubed custom-job from the internet

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I'd publish a second, public system that's a different color so you'd always know when the REAL DEAL was in town

pseudo basalt
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For anyone to see your avatar it has to be download by them so eh

inland knot
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Just be like tupper and keep a list tracking all the rippers lmao

vocal shard
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This is true, an avatar made from scratch can be anywhere from 400-1k or even more USD

white latch
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jokes on them I do it for 50

pseudo basalt
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I have a public avatar that I don't care about as much that I use in public

white latch
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(I am not taking commissions at the moment do not ask for one. Go check my booth out though winks with both eyes)

vocal shard
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Yeah that's sadly true that most avatars get ripped but have another question for you @dark harness. Do you have any plans to make some kind of AI or script that scans avatars when they get uploaded for say malicious content like an avatar with a ridiculous amount of say gameobjects, audio sources or things that are just a give away to a malicious avatar?

pseudo basalt
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That's... basically the performance ranking system already?

iron cobalt
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its just a game xd
@hasty wedge Eh... I would say VRChat is a bit more than that. There are no goals or money or anything, so I would honestly categorise VRChat more as communications software than a game. It is like a cross between Zoom, a social network, and Minecraft, except without any gamified elements. And... it is an entire virtual world, that people may spend a ton of time in, and somewhat live in, so I would say it is a bigger deal than can be trivialised.

vocal shard
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Yeah but I mean in the database

dark harness
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Yes, although I'm not confident that it's ever going to be as good or effective as we hope it's going to be

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The performance system runs on the client, not on the servers

vocal shard
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An avatar made from scratch does not cost 50 dollars, somewhere along the line, You're probably using an already made base. no way you make a scratch avatar for 50$

pseudo basalt
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Yes and if it prevents an avatar from loading client side for everyone, does it even matter what happens server side?

heady salmon
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As if I could ever be anywhere near good enough to make an avatar. Or even a model. Or even use Unity. vrcCrying

iron cobalt
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I'd publish a second, public system that's a different color so you'd always know when the REAL DEAL was in town
@dark harness Couldn't they just recoulor it though??

pseudo basalt
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It's also probably cheaper to do it clientside than serverside

white latch
vocal shard
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Would it be posaible to read the avatar descripter on the server side to check for there types of things?

dark harness
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They could, but HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHICH COLOR TO USE? (don't take this away from me, I know, it's silly)

We'd like to build an offline toolchain to crunch numbers on avatars, analyze 'em, maybe even auto-compile Quest versions if we can, but currently I think our offline toolchain can detect whether an avatar is or is not a hot dog and nothing more.

muted wharf
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thishotdogdoesnotexist.com

pseudo basalt
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How are you supposed to decide what's malicious and what's not

iron cobalt
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An avatar made from scratch does not cost 50 dollars, somewhere along the line, You're probably using an already made base. no way you make a scratch avatar for 50$
@vocal shard Well, it could cost that much if the author is seriously underselling themselves, or maybe trying to get their name out by getting lots of commissions with really cheap prices. Or if it is a really simple avatar.

pseudo basalt
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Too restrictive and you get false positives, not enough and the system becomes easy to circumvent

iron cobalt
#

I would gladly make an avatar for $50 if it was ludicrously simple.

white latch
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My style is relatively simple. I don't go for the heavy detail.

regal furnace
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50$ for a scratch avatar is either fake, or a new creator who is trying his best to get some customers

plucky vector
#

vr chat mobile

vocal shard
#

Still even being simplistic you're really underselling yourself

iron cobalt
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I feel insulted. Yeah, I make 3D models, from scratch, a lot. Please see what I post in #3d-modeling
@white latch So... your avatars are really cheap then?

white latch
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I mean, it's all insanely easy for me to make models. I highly enjoy it because it's near therapeutic to me.

vocal shard
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@pseudo basalt When I mean checking I mean things that are just out right a red flag for an avatar like say 1000 + audio sources or somthing that would not be on a normal avatar that could eaily crash a client when loaded

white latch
#

Utter joy when I get an avatar working how I want it to.

dark harness
#

50$ for a scratch avatar is a ridiculously good price, but that doesn't mean that the person offering that price is crazy or manipulative, it might just mean that that's what they want to charge and they're happy to always have a pipeline of willing customers

pseudo basalt
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That should not load in the first place

iron cobalt
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They could, but HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHICH COLOR TO USE? (don't take this away from me, I know, it's silly)

We'd like to build an offline toolchain to crunch numbers on avatars, analyze 'em, maybe even auto-compile Quest versions if we can, but currently I think our offline toolchain can detect whether an avatar is or is not a hot dog and nothing more.
@dark harness If it can actually detect whether or not it is a hotdog, that's actually pretty impressive and would probably require some machine learning to do well...

pseudo basalt
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If you set your minimum performance rank to be very poor because the status quo is to not care about performance then it's kinda not their fault

vocal shard
#

Understandable, it is very rare though that you find people that do sell for that low, and I applaud you @white latch that's pretty awesome

pseudo basalt
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While some hard limits could be good, there's more to it to not upset anyone

white latch
vocal shard
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Well true but I mean without the client side performance rank. Its kinda said to have to hide people like that all the time not being able to see everyone becuase of worrying about being crashed

dark harness
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Yeah, we've had trouble with hard-limits and community-response-to-those-limits in the past >_>

pseudo basalt
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Hard limits to auto hide avatars as it works on the quest I believe?

iron cobalt
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So, are the limits actually soft?

white latch
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the dynamic bone collider rankings make me want to commit a felony

vocal shard
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Like I know there is an avatar right now going arond that when you load it your game close without not warrning error or logs that is not a parical sharder or mesh

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I wish more people had simplistic avatars. Would really be refreshing

iron cobalt
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Theoretically, could I upload an avatar with my full goatsquirrel model, fancy hair system and all, and have it show up if someone decided poor performance was fine?

pseudo basalt
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Limits are just very poor performance rank which is hidden by default but so many avatars are very poor that it doesn't help that much

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Since people just opt to show everyone

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I think there should be a rank bellow very poor that's auto hidden by default or that you can choose to hide for when people have unrealistic amount of components

iron cobalt
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I'm working on a Minecraft-inspired avatar. Unfortunately, it is apparently impossible to make the head move without a humanoid bone system, and my current bone system is too simple to classify as humanoid, so I think I will have to add some polys above the current 130 and some bones.

pseudo basalt
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Like an avatar with 1000 lights it's definitely not something anyone would make without the intent of being malicious, tho even 10 lights with shadows on will kill your frames

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I don't exactly envy the decisions you guys have to make to not upset people

vocal shard
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That's what I am kinda going on about something that is out of place like 1000 light. Who would need such a thing be a super light that would prob crash you sadly

iron cobalt
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They could have an avatar that simulates lamps accross a very large area.

white latch
iron cobalt
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That would be ridiculous, but technically not malicious.

vocal shard
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Haha, the other day, I saw an avatar with 29 million mesh particle max polygons

dark harness
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I still remember the foofaraw when we tried to limit particles and the outcry from a bunch of players who loved nothing more than to create complicated 1fps works of slow-motion visual art

pseudo basalt
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All those should be auto hidden by default but because people opt to not hide very poor avatars, malicious avatars get lumped together with just poorly optimized ones

dark harness
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really, what is VR, if not an avenue to see one very cool image every couple of minutes

pseudo basalt
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I think the particle thing wasn't handled very well

iron cobalt
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I still remember the outcry when we tried to limit particles and the outcry from a bunch of players who loved nothing more than to create complicated 1fps works of slow-motion visual art
@dark harness Lol.

Reminds me, again, of https://xkcd.com/1172/. Every change will break someone's workflow, no matter how sensible-seaming...

pseudo basalt
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Forcing stuff is not good (within reason), but configurable defaults is fine

vocal shard
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@pseudo basalt Its true that you can hide it but that also a lot of times hides most everyone in the lobby becuase of people having Very-poor rating avatars on but I guess that's the risk

vocal shard
white latch
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MMD avatars with full length songs complete with particle animations and be like: stutter stutter stutter

pseudo basalt
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So the system doesn't really work because ranks aren't balanced enough or there aren't enough of them

white latch
pseudo basalt
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A big part of any lobby in any given public world will be full of very poor avatars

dark harness
#

The mistake was making it so that the bottom rank is still performant on most computers

vocal shard
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@dark harness If I say had an avatar I like you to look at or report for being used maliciously would you or someone look at it?

pseudo basalt
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But it seems like a fairly simple thing to fix with another rank

iron cobalt
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I wonder what the avatar ranks of most people I see are.

vocal shard
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That moment when eboy joins the lobby and all you hear is "Eboy-gamer765 has entered the lobby" screamo rap plays screen effects intensify

pseudo basalt
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However if they have a shader crasher, good luck detecting that in any way with the current system

white latch
vocal shard
dark harness
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Nope, I'm going to bed, and even if I didn't, sending me things would resolve thousands of times slower than our moderation email.

vocal shard
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@pseudo basalt I mean the only way you could really stop that is having VRC make a shader white list of some sort that prob may not work fully that would change said shader to one of there defult ones that might work.

white latch
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I will do the fuckin voice for free

dark harness
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I still have stuff on my list from 2017

pseudo basalt
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Shader white list is a bad idea

iron cobalt
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...Or you could just only turn on shaders for trusted friends...

vocal shard
pseudo basalt
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It's gonna be too restrictive for ~creative freedums~ but also mean that malicious people will just find other ways to be malicious

vocal shard
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It's all good sorry for bothing but nice to see you on more though @dark harness

pseudo basalt
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But system I thought you were a computer

dark harness
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I'll admit, I was one of the people pushing for "shader whitelist" to improve stability and safety, but I think it's probably for the better that I couldn't get anyone on board

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Every creator on our team was like "no, no, no no no, no, no, also no"

white latch
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I once had some wolf eboy run up to me and say that my avatar, a character I made from scratch of my OWN OC. was stolen. no bro just because I look 50x more unique than you doesn't mean I stole it 😪

pseudo basalt
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Shader whitelist would just cause a massive headache for people that would actually look at shaders to whitelist because everyone would want their shader whitelisted

dark harness
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Oh, yeah, in my version of the shader whitelist there'd be, like, 10 shaders on there

vocal shard
white latch
dark harness
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and then we'd be like "welp, list's full"

pseudo basalt
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I mean a shader whitelist would good if custom shaders weren't restricted

vocal shard
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Yeah something like that would work could also do somthing like how labs work and be approved by the community or some staff team but I mean It is kinda getting old to walk in a lobby and see your UI go bye bye beucase of the overrendering if what they use.

polar jasper
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I wonder why System 👀 Not a bad idea overall, but the creativity would take a massive dump

pseudo basalt
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But rather trusted shaders would be trusted

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Because the fallback shader is... interesting at best

white latch
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Fallback shader be like: "GREEN"

muted wharf
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"Every avatar now needs to be made out of Unity primitives"

dark harness
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Yeah, there are people on the dev team protecting the integrity of the creatives against dopes like me who just want to build only-one-avatar-and-it-is-the-banana-avatar-and-one-hub-VRChat

#

but it would be SO STABLE and SO PERFORMANT

white latch
dark harness
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never again would we field another complaint about how we never fix bugs and our security is a nightmare, because everyone would have left for a different game

broken plover
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it would be cool if you could customize the fallback shader. For example you use a custom shader to brighten up a texture a bit, and then if it uses the fallback default shader it looks too dark, so you can customize it there to be a bit brighter

pseudo basalt
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It's okay, that's why it's good when a single person doesn't make all the decisions

dark harness
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A lot of my ideas have been real stinkers, or intentionally-bad-for-the-lulz

vocal shard
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Mean your doing a pretty good job System on the API and Server side patching a lot of crashing disconnects and other stuff that can be abused. So heck yeah.

white latch
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Except for home, that was a good idea!

pseudo basalt
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And the shitposting

white latch
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And having a grill next to your bed that's always on for bacon! Also good idea!

dark harness
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A lot of the crashing disconnect patching is someone different, actually, that's [REDACTED], he's much smarter than I am and has been pushing hard for a long time on security improvements

polar jasper
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Does the shader actually have to be built into the client for it to work as a whitelist shader? Could potentially add a self moderated whitelist if people want to use that, that can be updated via the SDK

pseudo basalt
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It's tupper isn't it. He lied about only knowing some node.js and is actually a security mastermind

dark harness
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It's always tupper

pseudo basalt
#

I knew it

white latch
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We all know tupper is actually a former government computer scientist

dark harness
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we don't tell you, but this whole company is just one autistic kid who's dreamed up like 20 different personas, posting as fast as he can and working 22 hours a day

#

That's why you generally only see one of us at a time

muted wharf
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That's a lot of keyboards

pseudo basalt
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oh no that's like the start of the plot of every other post apocalyptical game

polar jasper
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Should give them more money

white latch
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I SEE TWO.

dark harness
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It's an illustification, a shenanigag, a hoats

white latch
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Ah, I always knew I was going nuts. Just got the 5 AM rattles going.

toxic token
#

is anyones lobbies go frozen where everyone goes frozen but you can only hear them? 😦

white latch
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god I really need to get back on a decent sleep schedule, I'm awake 19 hours of the day.

iron cobalt
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Was it almost full? I have gone to a world that was probably slightly over-capacity, and everyone moved and they could hear me, but I could not hear anyone.

toxic token
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it was only about 10 people, it happens mainly on midnight rooftop and black cat

iron cobalt
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A client-side shader whitelist, and the ability to set fallback shaders in the SDK, could be cool.

dark harness
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pfft, child's play, I'm awake 26 hours per day, and when I sleep it is only a little -2 hour nap

white latch
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Unfortunately I cannot have coffee

toxic token
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everyone in the lobby had the same problem, where we were just frozen but could only hear each other and only our avi moved around

muted wharf
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I'm not surprised System's computer can perform time travel, tbh

iron cobalt
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That way, one could whitelist shaders used on certain avatars on their own, without needing beaurocratic approval from VRChat itself, and creators could have a fancy custom shader while having less fancy shaders that are more likely to be whitelisted as fallbacks for them.

white latch
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Not because of anything quirky it's just I have a heart condition and caffeine make heart go too fast for heart to handle

muted wharf
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Seems like just a minor feature

dark harness
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i see the colors that are only visible to those who sleep the negative hours, the octarines and magentos, the brilliant groons and rads

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that's why the website UI looks the way it does

muted wharf
white latch
iron cobalt
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The VRChat UI doesn't look particularly crazy to me...

white latch
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I'm going to commit a felony against everyone who allowed the site to look like that.

muted wharf
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:(

dark harness
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it was me, it was always me

white latch
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Not the main site but the account part the main page site looks cool

muted wharf
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I mean, the user icons thing is cool, right

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right?

dark harness
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I consider myself a bit of a W E B S I T E D E S I G N E R

white latch
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System: graphic design is my passhion

iron cobalt
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Apparently I have 18 friends online, even though it's 3 am for me.

white latch
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The icons are fun, I get to have sans as my icon.

iron cobalt
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I've made a lot of friends in VRChat. I wonder if there are any times there aren't any online.

muted wharf
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I have 90 friends online

dark harness
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see, because you're a graphic designer I don't know if you mean sans the undertale character or sans the font class

polar jasper
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New account page look with UI 2.0, calling it

muted wharf
vocal shard
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Since we are taking about Icons are you going to be adding a report button for lets just say Icon imagas you or kids should not be looking at?

white latch
iron cobalt
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I'm going to commit a felony against everyone who allowed the site to look like that.
@white latch The main site, or vrchat.com/home?

white latch
vocal shard
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Comic Sans? more like GROSS

iron cobalt
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vrchat.com/home fits pretty well with the theme of the software itself, IMO.

dark harness
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I hope it's one of the less painful felonies, like tax evasion

polar jasper
white latch
vocal shard
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Oh cool that's good to hear

iron cobalt
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I think it looks pretty nice, and think I even prefer it to the main site, since it matches the colour scheme better.

dark harness
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I know that some day I'll walk in front of the Hague for my brilliant design work on vrchat.com/home

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I'll go to the gallows shouting "YOU'LL ALL UNDERSTAND SOMEDAY"

iron cobalt
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I have 90 friends online
@muted wharf I am guessing you have a lot of friends then. Either that, or you just make a lot of friends around this time.

dark harness
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"WHEN YOU SEE THE NEGATIVE COLORS" ka-chunk

white latch
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Cant wait for the game's menu UI revamp. Better keep System four thousand miles away from it.

muted wharf
dark harness
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.... "I'M FINE, ROPE WAS TOO LONG"

white latch
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aren't you a robot tv head man

dark harness
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Yes, correct.

upbeat sphinx
white latch
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pog

muted wharf
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how do you think he got the robot tv head? :p

white latch
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Ah, so this isn't his first rodeo in the guillotine.

dark harness
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I lost my old head because of design crimes

iron cobalt
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or they're all entirely passed out and sleeping in vr
@muted wharf Good point. I do have a couple friends who do sleep in VR sometimes.

pseudo basalt
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Was it because the friends button is off screen on phone unless tilted sideways, system?

dark harness
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"rodeo in the guillotine" is into real weird mixed metaphor country

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WWE 83: RODEO IN THE GUILLOTINE

muted wharf
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Sounds like the name of a country music album

iron cobalt
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Seriously though, how is the /home site bad design? I much prefer it to the main page, which looks boring, and generic, and has so much white it reminds me of the sites which are completely broken until you enable Javascript...

dark harness
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If Panic! at the Disco made a country album it would be called "Rodeo In the Guillotine"

regal furnace
#

VRCat 3d model when? 🙃

dark harness
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... well, uh, "Rodeo! in the Guillotine"

vocal shard
#

Cat Bred

white latch
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Unfortunately I have southern dialect.

muted wharf
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I mean, it doesn't work on the Nintendo Switch browser, so there's that

pseudo basalt
#

Someone already made a vrcat

regal furnace
#

really? where?

white latch
regal furnace
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oh my god i need it

#

you can say about VRC+ what you want, but that cat is frigging adorable

white latch
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I stan the cat.

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My phone tried autocorrecting stan to stab and this was about to go somewhere really horrible.

iron cobalt
#

I just wish the team would bother to support Linux.

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I can't justify paying for any software unless it does...

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No Tux, no bux :/

white latch
#

Can you do virtual sand boxes on Linux? I don't know how well that'd work, but still I've heard lots of people do that as a workaround for other games that aren't supported on Linux.

iron cobalt
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As a workaround, I just run it in Proton.

white latch
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Well at least you got that I guess

muted wharf
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There's been a couple Proton-specific fixes released sometime recently iirc

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The issue with supporting Linux officially is that all the content is compiled for Windows or Android.

iron cobalt
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Ooh! That changes things.

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Ah. That helps a lot.

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And, explains a lot. That makes things a bit harder than just pressing the Linux export button in Unity.

dark harness
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If we could get the kind of pipeline going where we could cross-compile uploaded assets for any platform, we could launch on all kinds of platforms

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Right now, since it's manual, just keeping 2 from getting crazy is hard

iron cobalt
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I STILL haven't compiled the Android/Quest version of my first avatar, a whale. It would almost certainly run fine, since it's "excellent" performance, but I haven't changed the target yet.

vocal shard
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@dark harness I have another question for you but I hope it won't get me removed from this discord and I feel that if I ask it the auto replace email will just tell me no awnser. It has to do with ban time and has been bothering me for a while to want to ask.

dark harness
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I built a world for Quest and PC, and the Quest side broke, and all I would have to do to fix it would be to update the SDK, open the file, and re-upload it

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and it was easier to just delete the Quest package

white latch
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Making a world for PC is hard enough with the goddamn lightmapping. I fear even glancing at quest world making.

iron cobalt
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I'm just opening the SDK to see how the cross-compilation works. It's very slow, though, so is stuck in the state where the framebuffer doesn't update and windows make trails as they are dragged over it.

white latch
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Oh bakery, please go on sale.

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oh shit it is

vocal shard
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Guessing that is a no

dark harness
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What? Just ask the question, don't ask if you can ask the question

iron cobalt
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I think the issue would be automatically choosing all the targets to cross-compile, more than cross-compiling itself.

muted wharf
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inside yelling voice please

iron cobalt
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I'm already cross-compiling all my builds to Windows despite running the SDK on Linux without Wine or Proton.

dark harness
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the answer is going to be unsatisfying, I promise you

vocal shard
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Lol I don't want to be banned from the server but alright I just want to know why a 4 Year ban goes from a 30 Day ban to a 100 Year

white latch
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the hell did you do, burn an orphanage?

vocal shard
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4 year ban is a permaban
it just doesn't show more than 4years for some reason

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It was from way back when there was an avatar search thing maybe 2017 and I got banned from it guessing it bad to many API requests and been stuck it it ever since

dark harness
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So, uh, when I built the ban system, I figured there was no way we'd be in business for 4 entire years

vocal shard
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there was never an avatar search thing
except if you used a modded client

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Yeah well at the time I didn't know it was that bad

iron cobalt
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Oh, lol.

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Always be careful assuming your software won't be in use for that long. That's what led to many problems like Y2K!

dark harness
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all Moderations had to have an end date, so when I built the UI, I was like, uh, "1, 2, 3, 4" "seconds/hours/days/months/years"

white latch
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Well we're 3.8 way there!

vocal shard
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not knowing is not an excuse tho
you have to purposely install it and use
and most popular modded clients will warn you several times that you will get banned if caught

dark harness
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and the mod team was like "what about people who we want to ban forever" and I was like "4 years is forever, right?"

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"Do people even LIVE that long?"

iron cobalt
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Lol.

vocal shard
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weirdly enough they do

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Lol I saw it got channed to 30 Day though

pseudo basalt
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Not everyone is as old as us svel

vocal shard
#

😔

pseudo basalt
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We might be the lucky ones

dark harness
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I'm 35, I just didn't think VRChat had 4 years worth of money in the tank

vocal shard
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don't know if I can say it's lucky

dark harness
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tbh if I designed moderation UI again today I'd probably make the same mistake

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4 more years? really? SURE WHATEVER YOU SAY

vocal shard
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well, system, apparently memes helped vrchat to popularity

pseudo basalt
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can't wear girl socks and feel cute anymore but that's okay

white latch
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Moral of The Story; don't allow System to design your systems.

vocal shard
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now we need more than 4 years apparently

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I was like after all this time I could come back without problems but guess not. Rather it be 4 Years again then 100

dark harness
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it's a really good moral, I should never be allowed to design anything

white latch
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Four years and a month.

iron cobalt
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It's probably going to grow more popular unless things go really wrong, since now it has the network effect behind it.

pseudo basalt
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Contact moderation, maybe you'll get unbanned

dark harness
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anyways they wanted me to add a permaban and I was too lazy, so I was like "what if we just add a much bigger number to the ban thinger"

vocal shard
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but unlikely

pseudo basalt
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still worth a shot

vocal shard
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haha nice

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I mean, as long as it's working, why not

dark harness
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So now there are 1 minute and 100 year bans

pseudo basalt
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Don't you generally put in a negative or unrealistic date and write an exception for it, if you want things to be permanent

iron cobalt
#

anyways they wanted me to add a permaban and I was too lazy to, so I was like "what if we just add a much bigger number to the ban thinger"
@dark harness 100 years will seem good... until it turns out VRChat ended up lasting over 100 years :P .

muted wharf
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That seems like a problem for future VRChat :p

dark harness
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😄 well, at that point it's the problem of my grandchild, lil' System

white latch
#

Permbans are wack anyway in the long-term. Unless you've done something absolutely unredeemable you should always have another chance, repeat offenders can then get thrown into the guillotine.

dark harness
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and instead of fixing the problem then he'll just be like "okay, 200 year bans"

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THAT'S MY BOY 😢

pseudo basalt
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Perma bans are just another way to say "appeal and we'll see"

vocal shard
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It just scaers me when I look at 100 years and though I could never try to justify what happen and see if I could get it shortened but who knows if that's in the cards for me or not. Looking forword to VRC+ though

iron cobalt
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I agree. TBH, after 100 years, they probably deserve a second chance anyways...

dark harness
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I figured that 1 month should be the longest ban we gave the mods access to

vocal shard
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I don't know man
they used a modded client to fly, that's bad

dark harness
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I was like "what could possibly be so bad that you'd ban someone for more than a month"

pseudo basalt
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That's like, super naive

dark harness
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It is.

vocal shard
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showing gore picture in the face of everyone in a room

dark harness
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The mod team were like slow drag on a cigarette you sweet summer child, there's some bad stuff out there. you need us on the lines.

wind field
#

tbh vrchat at the time was probably a much different place

vocal shard
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I remember the panic button being added after several days of bots going into random room and putting disgusting pictures in front of you

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@dark harness So I am guessing at the time all the API requests that mod did back then triggered your backend to ban for that long

pseudo basalt
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That said, people who would get banned for longer probably don't care and just evade

muted wharf
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We don't talk about automated detection systems.

white latch
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please add WMR controller support we're dyinf

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I can't walk normally I can only ever run send hel-

pseudo basalt
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First rule of automated detection systems fanclub

gray edge
#

yea wmr support is pretty bad, the fist gesture keeps breaking, it severely impedes my ability to do ASL ingame i wish this issue was treated with higher severity

dark harness
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I mean, if we're talking waaaaay back, yeah, there was a super-easy-to-detect and definitely-filled-with-malicious-hax set of mods and if I saw them pop up in the logs I'd sometimes be the one to drop the permaban hammer

white latch
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no amount of steam bindings are gonna save us

woven quest
#

guys how do u make friends in vr

iron cobalt
#

I really want Linux support, and now I know there is apparently a cross-compilation problem. I would really want to help with that myself, but unfortunately VRChat is pretty opaque and hard to modify or even understand the systems of...

broken plover
#

also when you hold grip or trigger and press anything on the touchpad (with vive advanced controls activated but I think also without) it resets the gesture to the idle gesture (pls fix this has been an issue since avatar 3.0 released and I upvoted and created multiple feedbacks, but none of them were marked as under review or something)

summer raptor
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they won’t even move the game to a newer build of unity, why would they work on Linux support

iron cobalt
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guys how do u make friends in vr
@woven quest Join in conversations, and if you've talked for a bit, send a friend request.

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I've personally made a lot of friends during events.

muted wharf
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Existing "permanent" bans were actually made "permanent" with the 100 year changes, so that's why yours changed from 4y -> 100y.
You can appeal to the moderation team through normal means over at https://help.vrchat.com/new

woven quest
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New question how to make friends with anxity

white latch
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I am either in light or in darkness

summer raptor
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don’t buy wmr

iron cobalt
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they won’t even move the game to a newer build of unity, why would they work on Linux support
@summer raptor I had thought it would be mostly trivial, until I learned that apparently the content system is only compiled for specific platforms, Windows or Quest/Android, meaning that even if they did press the export to Linux button, none of the content would work...

broken plover
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its like a thumbstick. If you press it more around the middle area you walk slowly, if you press at the border you run

wind field
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probably a bit late forsaying dont buy wmr if theyre asking about it lmao

iron cobalt
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Also, because Linux support would lead me to buy VRChat+, and hopefully some other people as well.

gray edge
vocal shard
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Yeah I kinda though you propbley just swatted them as you saw them from the backend. Also @muted wharf don't think that would work might may or may not of known that having more account back then way bad and lead me to going though 3-4 trust account I ranked up over time but who know not looking for trobble just want to look at the mirror have fun and support vrc all I can.

white latch
gray edge
broken plover
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it worked like that for me when I last played. Maybe it broke after an update. Haven't played in a while

summer raptor
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spoiler, they won’t

dark harness
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What if, and I'm just spitballing here, no linux support but we included a cat with a box on its head

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now

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before you answer

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let me tell you

gray edge
dark harness
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the box has cardboard cat ears

muted wharf
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Still, contact the moderation team if you feel that you should be unbanned and they'll go through your case and make a decision about it.

summer raptor
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I’m glad the mods don’t have to adhere to the slow mode, pretty cool imo

white latch
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if I pay you 10$ will you add wmr binding

wind field
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discord mods arent bound by slowmode in any server

muted wharf
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Also, we should replace the cat with a tux wearing a cardboad hat if we detect Proton

gray edge
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please it's horrible not being able to learn ASL because i press the trigger to do the fist gesture but then it does a random different gesture and i cant express what im trying to say anymore

summer raptor
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pretty epic, not you think blissy?

wind field
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why do you care lmao

dark harness
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Welp, things are getting unpleasant in here, I'm gonna bounce

vocal shard
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@muted wharf Thx I'll give it a try

gray edge
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its unpleasant for me to be inable to do ASL :(

broken plover
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if it does a random gesture you're probably touching the touchpad

white latch
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Look at what you've done! You've scared the TV creacher away.

summer raptor
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“why do you care lmao” ok shitheel, keep obeying your orders while you take every order in you sheep

wind field
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bit weird mate

iron cobalt
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Ah :/ . Well, see you tommorow @dark harness =(^ω^)= ! Have a nice night!

white latch
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vrcStoic 🔪

muted wharf
wind field
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its just discord lad, its not that big of a deal

inland knot
gray edge
inland knot
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yall are kinda unepic gamers rn

pseudo basalt
vocal shard
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Wonder when are we getting the new cat emoje or jpg of that cool cat in VRC+

broken plover
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ah, thats vive advanced controls. Basically it lets you override the trigger with any gesture you want. And to get it back to fist, touch the exact center of the touchpad and press trigger

summer raptor
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one more day to go gweiss, until you have the honorary star

inland knot
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what star?

summer raptor
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brainlet moment

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the 1 year nitro boosting star

inland knot
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the only star i get is from grade 3 math class

gray edge
broken plover
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yes with advanced controls disabled you can't override the trigger so it will always stay fist

gray edge
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im gonna try that thank you so much

vocal shard
# gray edge its unpleasant for me to be inable to do ASL :(

There is an ASL world called Mr.Dummy's sign and fun, also there is an experimental ASL world and there is a HUGE sign community in vrchat. There are a few modifications to some signs but for the most part it is fairly accurate. there are even people who teach classes for VR asl, bsl, lsf and more

white latch
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I honestly learned ASL just so I could have an excuse not to talk to people sometimes

inland knot
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fair enough

white latch
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Except I forgot half of it and in Among Us I just frantically play charades until other people understand

inland knot
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I learned asl and some bsl to be able to talk to more people but you do you

gray edge
lapis ether
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Why im I getting longer initializing world

vocal shard
lapis ether
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Its the vrchat server ok?

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Its like public server of 10 people and then I teleport to no people in public

white latch
lapis ether
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Let me check

vocal shard
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I've noticed social has been a bit off lately, could be due to the increse number of people lately.

lapis ether
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Theres no beta vrchat for me

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Its the server that's been acting weird for me to initialize way too long

indigo seal
woven quest
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how to make friends with anxity

indigo seal
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you go to group, see whats subject its in there, if u like, try to join

warm mountain
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Maybe not "no" people in public, might wanna restart your game/pc and try again but it happens a lot that it says there's more people in a lobby than there actually are

indigo seal
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you sure are running non-beta version of the game? vrchat will place you alone if you're on beta since its a different client

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at least thats how i see it i dunno

vast rock
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hello, how do I join my friends? im on vr and they are on flat screen

marsh rapids
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don't join them, play alone loser

timid mantle
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Hello

vast rock
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now im offended

timid mantle
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Does anyone here watch anime ?

vast rock
marsh rapids
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@vast rock shut up you're extinct!

vast rock
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and you typo'd 😏

marsh rapids
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personally, i don't care. but maybe your grave would think otherwise?

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i'm a giant godzilla

vocal shard
# woven quest how to make friends with anxity

VrChat is a big place with alot of people, go out hang around. You don't have to talk at first, just do what makes you comfy. Just remember that there's a lot of people in vrchat who have been in the same spot where it's hard to speak and make friends. If you get any negativity try to ignore it.

inner cape
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just dont be acoustic

vocal shard
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Just be chill 😂

marsh rapids
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just shut the fuck up

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and minge until people block you, trust me its funny and entertaining!

vast rock
marsh rapids
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plus you don't have to worry about social anxiety

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because you know that NOBODY will like you in doing so!

woven quest
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o.o

marsh rapids
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except maybe a few memesters, they'll be your friends

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that's how you play vrchat

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(warning following my advice can lead you to get banned, dr neo cortex is not responsible for your accounts)

vocal shard
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@woven quest If you can't find any people you feel comforatable around feel free to add me! My name in vr is the same on discord (just dm me and let me know if you do)

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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or eat them!

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anxiety adds it to the flavor though i recommend you use dinosaur avatars or something, vore is never the answer!

inner cape
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🤢

marsh rapids
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furries taste great some of them taste like trash tho

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eat the little ones

woven quest
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;3; what if I don't have vr lol

marsh rapids
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then just use insults over your microphone

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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for example just go up to someone and say bad stuff

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but never never NEVER and i say absolutely never, say the n word

vocal shard
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Also don't listen to the doctor~

marsh rapids
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without the pass ofc, if you want i'll give you one for 2,50!

vocal shard
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He's been eating too many lemons~

marsh rapids
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hey, atleast i have fun

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talking is only fun for 15 minutes

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trolling is fun for 30 minutes, that's like an extra double

woven quest
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lol

dusk pier
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trolling in vrc is fun but u end up getting blocked so your trust goes down so i dont troll

marsh rapids
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yeah.. it kinda sucks how good things are never too good

dusk pier
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just make an alt

marsh rapids
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like junk food taste so good, but its bad
trolling is so fun, but its bad

vocal shard
dusk pier
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or just be troll enough to where it's fun but you don't get blocked

marsh rapids
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playing music over your mic

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yeah my main account got the nuissance rank, how do i remove it again?

vocal shard
dusk pier
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you have to be good

marsh rapids
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but its hard considering everyone's automatically blocked for me

dusk pier
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and its really hard to get removed, i've never had it personally

vocal shard
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I only know one person in vrchat who doesn't like headpats.

woven quest
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So just be my autistic self?

marsh rapids
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yeah sure why not

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but don't let people insult you, if they do. call me i'll insult THEM alright?

dusk pier
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yeah you can be really weird on vrc but everyone is super weird all the time so its normal

marsh rapids
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its a world of insult or be insulted

dusk pier
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no its not

marsh rapids
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yes it is you just haven't played it enough

dusk pier
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its a world of dont be a complete fucking cringe god or just be chill

marsh rapids
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or be an actual fun person and fuck around

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cringe gods are usually 10 year olds with poopy mics

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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playing... among

dusk pier
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or 24 year old dudes who are creepy as hell in a furry avatar who are way too overenthusiastic

marsh rapids
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EW! yes that is very true

vocal shard
vocal shard
marsh rapids
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fr tho just chill and have fun

dusk pier
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some people on vrc could use some advice about interacting with other people

marsh rapids
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i mean, yeah they have no understanding of the term "social"

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i ask them a question and they go off making furry noises

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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WHO does that? its not even funny its kinda cringe

dusk pier
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I finally found a decent group of people on vrc so i'm not in public lobbies much anymore

marsh rapids
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i had too but they blocked me and removed me by now since i'm nuisance

dusk pier
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but typically if i spend 1-2 hours i can find a group of 2-3 people who are cool and we'll just chill for the night and i'll most likely never see them again

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@surreal carbon thats so facts

vocal shard
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I'm rarely in public lobbies. I feel like i should public hop more.

marsh rapids
dusk pier
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@marsh rapids then some self reflection might be the best option

marsh rapids
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unless that group is particularly a group of memers and voice impressionists

harsh star
marsh rapids
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self reflection? what does that even MEAN

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i can befriend memers in just about a minute flat

vocal shard
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Whenever I'm on VRChat I play the public murder 2, among us, never have I ever other than that it's just chilling cuddling and watching movies with friends~

dusk pier
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i'm gonna be completely honest, just by our conversation in this discord you'd be someone i blocked in a lobby, no ill intent meant towards you though

marsh rapids
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i don't even know what you mean by self reflection

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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like i don't understand what self reflection means LOL

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yeah its pretty cringe dw lol

dusk pier
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take a look at yourself and ask yourself questions, like why are people blocking me?, what has caused me to get the nuisance rank in vrc? things like that

marsh rapids
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oh, i know why! i do it on purpose to annoy people!

vocal shard
marsh rapids
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i hate being social, its a video game for crying out loud don't take it seriously

vocal shard
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It's like cuddling in real life except not. Look, we're all lonely ok let us cuddle XD

marsh rapids
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play it the way you want

dusk pier
# vocal shard That sounds pretty depressing

I have one main friend i always get on with and I found a group i've actually made friends with, but yeah it was kinda depressing for a little while. We'd have fun with them for a night and then they'd never be on again

vocal shard
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Technically, it's not a game it's a social platform

marsh rapids
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its like playing an adventure game

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only you get to be any avatar you want, with a microphone so that's neat

dusk pier
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I mean play it the way you want, but if you know that it's gonna get you nuisance rank, don't come in a vrc discord and complain that you have it if you're intentionally acting that way

marsh rapids
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oh i came here to mock people

vocal shard
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It is VRChat is a social platform where making friends all over the planet is the main goal >:3

marsh rapids
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hahahahahajahahaha

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yeah, no. grow up kid not everyone will like you no matter how nice you are

dusk pier
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true

marsh rapids
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make friends if you want sure, but i'm not so deprived of friends to actually be IN NEED to make some in vrchat

dusk pier
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one thing about playing VRC though is no matter how much fun i have, i feel really empty when i play because it's all virtual and none of it is real

marsh rapids
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i made some cool friends in vr, but they're all meme lords and people do like our voice impressions alot

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like going in a world with spongebob avatars and going in character

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some are too "mature" and boring to appreciate things like that, so they block you

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that's just me though

dusk pier
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there's a time and place for it

vocal shard
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It's real. may be ones and zeroes, just a screen, but the people are very real. don't let the fact that it's virtual feel like it's not real

timid mantle
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Any young weebs

marsh rapids
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sometimes i feel like they're not real even though i know they are

vocal shard
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There is a real person on the other end of the screen~

marsh rapids
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its a video game and it just gives off the illusion you're just playing a game

vocal shard
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cough social platform

dusk pier
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I'm not saying the people aren't real. I guess it's just more of a "I know i'll probably never see these people again even though we just had a blast"

marsh rapids
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well, people raid servers on discord

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so says who social platforms can't be taken as a game sometimes? except twitter. no that's a different story for another time lol

vocal shard
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Ppl raid vrc worlds with the same avatar or well used 2

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two words: cat. parade.

dusk pier
vocal shard
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Fluffy seal army: join us xD

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ask for their discord, 99 percent of people you meet have a discord

dusk pier
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Yeah I get discords a lot now

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I have a whole server i'm in with people i've met on VRC, I got a group of about 10-15 people and we all get on pretty much every night, just before that it was kinda hard to consistently make friends that i'd see again

vocal shard
exotic parcel
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Good afternoon all
Little interdiction
I'm honey Badger vr, iv got a small youtube channel just over 200 subs.
Popped on here to find freind and funny peeps who want to make some content from time to time 👌

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*interduction

smoky linden
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I please want Nutter Butter skin

vocal shard
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I don't think i've had a nutter butter since like, sophomore year in highschool. Why have i not had one in so long?

waxen fulcrum
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I'm going to pay 9.99 this month for my thanks to all of the friends Vrchat gave me I hope you do too if you can.

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also I love you

inner cape
unreal verge
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I may pay one time for VRC+ too, but i don't think i can afford it for more than one month currently

waxen fulcrum
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@unreal verge Me too

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Atleast we get the early supporter limited edition badge ❤️

unreal verge
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How will that even look?

inner cape
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like a lemon

waxen fulcrum
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@unreal verge I will go get the picture

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@unreal verge here it is

unreal verge
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Oh its the VRCat

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Thought it may be something that gets shown to others

worthy oracle
radiant acorn
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9.99 for vrchat plus? do i get a laser beam shot from a satellite in outer space that scratches my butt when it itches with that?

peak ermine
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Yeah

radiant acorn
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For all the issues vrchat currently has im not sure i can support this...

peak ermine
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Then don't

radiant acorn
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4.99 a month then maybe ..

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Wait Wait! What about copyright characters!? Surely adding a subscription service would mean Legal lssues for vrchat?

vocal shard
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why?

frosty veldt
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DMCA would be pointed towards the offending user, not the whole service

deft girder
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When you upload something to vrchat you tick that box saying that you own rights to all the content you upload

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VRChat just needs to follow DMCA's and they are all good

rocky blaze
#

so, this is a question to the devs, if your entire player base were using mods would you ban them all and lose your players with immense back lash or would you adapt and implement some of the least harmful mods e.g adding a clock to the quick menu

umbral reef
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They have stated in the past that most things the clients got are things the team also want to add in the future

frosty veldt
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Ui changes wait til the UI overhaul

rocky blaze
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so stealing ideas and not crediting them?

frosty veldt
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Credit for making a watch?

umbral reef
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Stealing
KEKW you really think idea's most mods have where not suggested to the team before?

broken plover
#

you don't know how long they've been planning to add certain features. Maybe they were planning some stuff since vrchat's first release where there weren't even any modified clients at all

rocky blaze
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well i cant read minds can i?

umbral reef
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You can not call it stealing?

rocky blaze
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k

radiant acorn
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Is vrchat still using single core processing?

ruby needle
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It hasn't been single core since ages

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Dont belive every myth you hear.

rocky blaze
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debatable

ruby needle
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Have you ever looked at your task manager during play?

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Nothing to debate there.

radiant acorn
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I asked a question you answered . dont turn it into debate

rocky blaze
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i added a bit of code to my vrchat launch settings that makes it use a cpu like a normal game and i had a 10-20fps increase on steam btw

umbral reef
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Not debatable, it uses all cores.
Unity just doesnt spread the workload nice and only functions as fast as the slowest threads
As systems like dynamic bone have to be on the main threads it will bog everything down 😳

umbral reef
radiant acorn
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ty

torpid mason
ruby needle
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@radiant acorn one user wanted to debate, the second 2 sentences where not targettet at you cirComfy

torpid mason
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If they didnt do that, unity would never be able to utilize more then 4 cores.

umbral reef
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🤷‍♂️ TIL then, always expected the engine to allocate that to the cpu.
Kinda logical with how fast and modern those things are now tho

radiant acorn
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❤️ @ruby needle

ruby needle
radiant acorn
#

thonking

rocky blaze
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there was one thing i had to fix my self for vrchat where i had to fix the screen freezing issue

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like i could be minding my business and it tips my vr slightly then freezes that frame, i had to go into my registry and make my graphics card have 6 seconds of recovery

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it started happening when udon and the new server type was put in so like feb march time?

radiant acorn
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recommendation's for more fps in vr like 22 people in a room?

rocky blaze
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not had the issue since doing that and i still tries to do it

torpid mason
radiant acorn
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@torpid mason I have a 2080ti if that helps

rocky blaze
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dont show everyone komoto that'll help

broken plover
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what cpu do you have

rocky blaze
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but there is one issue i'd like fixed is the "if you have less than 18-20fps you cant click people" business

mortal glacier
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I have visitors voice and avatar off. New users-trusted users avatar and voice on. Friends everything on.

torpid mason
umbral reef
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I literally run a 1080, got my youtube for music and discord running while in VRC with literally safety mode off and often dynamic bones off.
Meanwhile i get 60ishFPS most of the time and when i dont turning off dynamic bones or blocking 1a2 people does the job.

torpid mason
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Turning off dynamic bones helps too, dynamic bones's calculations are done by a single core so having 22 people all with dynamic bones enabled, each having 30 - 50 bones that need calculations done is quite the task.

umbral reef
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And each collider means the person with those bones get an (times X amount of colliders) to there calculation 😳

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Not really right but close enough that i cba to explain it more then that.

torpid mason
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yep

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VRChat is just shit optimized, the team blames it on its users but that's a bad excuse, surely theres cases of it but in general if people dont use overkill avatars, the game should run smooth on anything similar or above a 1080.

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Even if they have 250k poly's

umbral reef
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Its like 70% the world/user and 30% the teams fault for most performance dogging

rocky blaze
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its a unity, its not the best haha

frosty veldt
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I think the idea for what counts as an overkill avatar is overblown by most people

torpid mason
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Unity isn't the excuse here either, there's other more intense unity games that run alot smoother then vrchat ever will.

umbral reef
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@frosty veldt because most people see high number and collelate it with bad performance, while its almost always more complex then that.

deft girder
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I'm running pretty smooth with a 1080 in instances of 80 people with optimized avatars as long as the world is good

umbral reef
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80 people?

torpid mason
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I mean look at other games, most games now a days have over 12 mil polygons on screen at all times and run smooth on most semi modern pcs

radiant acorn
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isent the max like 25 or something?

rocky blaze
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you can break instances komoto, seen 25 people in the black cat when its 18 max

deft girder
torpid mason
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Hell, genshin impact looks way more impressive then vrchat and runs at 60fps on my phone...

frosty veldt
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Worlds set soft caps, you can go 2x the world cap

rocky blaze
deft girder
#

You can't really compare user generated content platforms vs something that's purpose made with professionals making all the assets

torpid mason
frosty veldt
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Vrchat loses a lot of optimization options when almost all content isn't made by them

radiant acorn
torpid mason
rocky blaze
deft girder
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Why do you still think you can compare ugc against other games

torpid mason
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And definitely not the blame for bad optimizations.

timid willow
#

i'll post a big thread here, if it is flood sorry.

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Can i find another way to set a custom avatar without unity? Unity keeps crashing or saying could not establish a connection with the unity package magager, i turned off my firewall,antivirus, still the same and i'm super lazy to do thsesw fixing stuff that will take me about 3 hours for just an avatar. so is there any ways to get an avatar without unity,, if not then can you friend me on vrchat so i can copy the avatar, i just want the stock heavy avatar, nothing more.

radiant acorn
rocky blaze
#

i cant wait for the day when they have to use the right unity version where they will have to start from scratch cause unity 4 is very different to unity 5 and will struggle to port

timid willow
#

damn everyone ignoring me, such a kind move.

rocky blaze
#

frostbit 1 engine better than 2 hands down, bad company days

umbral reef
#

Gotta be fair though, almost all other engines beside unity would not really function for this game with how much more of a pain creating things would become.
EU4 is great if your in an controled enviorment, legit leaps better then most easier to use tools out there. But when its not controlled it spins out harder then unity

torpid mason
rocky blaze
timid willow
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i just want an avatar but my unity keeps getting errors

umbral reef
torpid mason
umbral reef
torpid mason
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No, i mean vrchat limits the tools we have use. Only a few components are whitelisted.

umbral reef
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Oh like that-
Well even that would be a lot more extereme on EU4
And they have to rewrite the full game then anyway so

timid willow
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but can't i just friend someone, if they know to get a costum avatar, and then they set it up and i just save the avatar for myself (copy the avatar) so i can have it?

umbral reef
#

And not sure but hows the VR support on EU4 by now?
As when VRC started it was an literal joke compared to unity.

torpid mason
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also, i dont think most people realize which games are running on unity

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Genshin Impact runs on unity, Legends of runeterra does too.

umbral reef
torpid mason
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League wild rift does too

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Phasmophobia runs on unity

umbral reef
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Subnautica also

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Also aint heartstone even an unity game?

timid willow
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also, people are suggesting VR for me very much, but a vr headset with controllers cost around 300-600$ which is like over 900-1800+ gel for me, it's hella expensive.

torpid mason
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Fall guys, Subnautica, Risk of rain 2, rec room, mario kart, Doom's nintendo port runs on unity

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Call of duty mobile runs on unity

timid willow
#

also for some reason, i'm understanding source 1 better than any other engines with it's spaghetti code

torpid mason
umbral reef
#

Well Source 1 got made by people that where drugged up, sleep deprived and drunk most of the time.
So that might explain it

torpid mason
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Life is strange, hollow knight, sonic forces, gwent witcher card game, cuphead, albion online, escape from tarkov

umbral reef
#

Tl;dr
A shit ton of games

torpid mason
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all run on unity

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Escape from Tarkov is probably the one game that people dont realize runs on unity.

timid willow
torpid mason
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Why? Looks tell you what engine is used...?

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Superhot is unity too.

timid willow
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yes but if you did not play it you wouldn't say it's from unity

torpid mason
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Pokémon Go even

torpid mason
umbral reef
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Like unity is afterall the 'do all' engine.
Can literally do anything with it just takes a tiny bit more time to get right compared to others that are more specialized

vocal shard
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wassup yall im making a yt vid about vr chat and i need someone to tell me a story from their life. it can be about a sad thing that happened, a good thing that happened etc. just a story about something that happened to u that stuck with u. if u feel like doing something like this hmu.

timid willow
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i actually like the source 1 engine more than unity

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i like it's spaghetti code

torpid mason
vocal shard
torpid mason
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Don't wanna be in a video lol

vocal shard
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aye all good

torpid mason
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my paimon avatar already shows up too much on stream highlights

umbral reef
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Might be easier to find people ingame my dude

vocal shard
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i tried but people just troll lmao

umbral reef
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Imagine playing as living food 👀

torpid mason
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Or write your own fake story and have a random person just read that

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the majority of "sad stories"" are like that on youtube anyways

vocal shard
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NO

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i dont like bringing out fake content

umbral reef
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You sure you wanna do youtube then?

torpid mason
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You're doing your job as youtuber wrong

umbral reef
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Like your asking strangers for an story, plenty will lie even if you dont want them to.

vocal shard
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but them lying without me knowing doesnt mean im lying

timid willow
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i don't know why but most people are just having their unity engine working fine but i got goddamn errors everytime i go to unity, if i fix one error, another pops and further beyond.

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i need goddamn help here.

vocal shard
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ight thanks yall imma try in vr chat peaceeee

dusk tartan
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Send your console errors to me @timid willow

timid willow
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no i can't even launch projects

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it says the "could not establish a connection with the unity package manager" over and over

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when i try to open a project even through my antivirus and firewall are turned off.

dusk tartan
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Have you tried looking at the error on google to see how people fixed it ?

timid willow
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tried them all, nothing.

umbral reef
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Tried asking in the channels i told you earlier?

timid willow
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Yup, nothing.

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wait vrchat uses 2018.4.20 version?

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let me try by that version, wait

dusk tartan
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Unity 2018.4.20f1

timid willow
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installing it,

umbral reef
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If you didnt have that version then you where already doing it wrong.
Need to exact version that VRC has to upload

timid willow
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i'll try to launch SDK3 avatar now

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it's the same

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dang it.

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can someone do that for me please? so i could copy it from you and save it in my avatars.

wary heart
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hey is valve index the headset or what?

timid willow
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the headset and controllers

cold dome
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IS VRC down!?

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why tf cant I join any world without black screen so unbelievably annoying

jade carbon